Realtime Nick Name Ticker of #debian at freenode (ICQ IRC service)

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10[00:06:17] <whislock> dka: sms?
11[00:06:35] <whislock> !ops l33th4xx0r
12[00:06:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above)
13[00:07:09] -l33th4xx0r- glguy of #freenode staff is a eastern zionist pig. We will coordinate his doxxing from genitals because he killed pussy
14[00:07:19] <ZaZaGX> what?
15[00:07:27] <l33th4xx0r> ZaZaGX: the freenode staffer glguy
16[00:07:38] <l33th4xx0r> he is a eastern orthodox zionist piglet
17[00:07:49] <l33th4xx0r> bans all things that express sexuality of any type
18[00:07:55] <ZaZaGX> can he buy me a wife for black friday?
19[00:08:00] <l33th4xx0r> so i created new channel ##genitals
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21[00:08:09] <oerheks> The smsd log file is incredibly useful here. It lives in /var/log/smstools/smsd.log
22[00:08:11] <l33th4xx0r> and we will coordinate the doxxing of glguy from there
23[00:08:33] <dka> I found
24[00:09:51] <livebrain> l33th4xx0r that nick is hilarious lol
25[00:09:53] <livebrain> are you 3 ?
26[00:10:01] <dka> How can I send SMS from command line using my SIM card which is inserted within my Fibocom L850-GL modem ? (not with modem-manager-gui)
27[00:10:03] <whislock> Can we stop interacting with the spammer, please?
28[00:10:18] <l33th4xx0r> livebrain: are you on crack?
29[00:10:26] <ZaZaGX> who is the spammer?
30[00:10:34] <l33th4xx0r> whislock: affirmative. you are the soammer.
31[00:10:35] <ZaZaGX> i can't tell
32[00:10:51] <livebrain> whislock: sorry, i made a mistake :)
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34[00:11:12] <whislock> Zap.
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42[00:14:57] <ZaZaGX> whoa
43[00:15:02] <ZaZaGX> who K-Lined him?
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46[00:16:08] <Mathisen> freenode staffer. he been spamming multiple channels
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50[00:16:29] <B|ack0p> hi
51[00:18:04] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
52[00:18:32] * nvz passes ZaZaGX an irn
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54[00:18:59] <B|ack0p> when will xfce 14.04 be supported in debian?
55[00:19:06] <nvz> ,v xfce
56[00:19:07] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
57[00:19:11] <nvz> ,v xfce4
58[00:19:12] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14
59[00:19:19] <B|ack0p> huh
60[00:19:31] <B|ack0p> which version is sid?
61[00:19:33] <ZaZaGX> for irn i got Independent Radio News
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63[00:19:41] <B|ack0p> i thought buster is the latest debian
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65[00:19:52] <nvz> B|ack0p: 4.14 is in testing/unstable, stable has 4.12.5
66[00:20:11] <B|ack0p> yes but when will tests finish?
67[00:20:24] <nvz> 14.04 is an ubuntu version
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69[00:20:45] <B|ack0p> so?
70[00:20:53] <nvz> B|ack0p: two years from now probably.. roughly
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72[00:21:19] <B|ack0p> ...
73[00:21:20] <nvz> B|ack0p: so, its not an xfce version, its an ubuntu release version
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76[00:21:37] <Unit193> I think he may have typo'd 4.14..
77[00:21:38] <B|ack0p> why debian is so slow about supporting latest kernel and packages..
78[00:21:53] <whislock> !sns
79[00:21:53] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
80[00:21:55] <madprops> is making deb packages for non C binaries more troublesome?
81[00:21:59] <B|ack0p> oh yea i mean 4.14
82[00:21:59] <whislock> B|ack0p: Because that's not the point.
83[00:22:23] <B|ack0p> but xfce 4.14 has newer features as i read in their official website..
84[00:22:25] <nvz> dpkg, why debian?
85[00:22:26] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
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87[00:22:32] <nvz> dpkg, social contract?
88[00:22:32] <dpkg> The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see replaced-url
89[00:22:43] <whislock> B|ack0p: Then go find a distro that gives you shineys and not stability.
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91[00:22:54] <B|ack0p> i rely on debian
92[00:22:59] <B|ack0p> that s not my case
93[00:23:06] <mutante> then use testing
94[00:23:10] <whislock> That is horrible advice.
95[00:23:11] <B|ack0p> but xfce released 4.14 as stable.. why not debian
96[00:23:13] <nvz> well for the last few releases, MATE has been being backported, but not xfce
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98[00:23:15] <B|ack0p> i just wanna understand
99[00:23:28] <nvz> ,v mate
100[00:23:29] <judd> No package named 'mate' was found in amd64.
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102[00:23:30] <Unit193> You could backport 4.14, but that'd be some fun to deal with.
103[00:23:34] <whislock> B|ack0p: Debian isn't going to completely change everyone's DE in the middle of a release. That goes against the point of Debian.
104[00:23:34] <nvz> ,v mate-panel
105[00:23:35] <judd> Package: mate-panel on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3; stretch: 1.16.2-1; stretch-backports: 1.20.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.20.5-1; bullseye: 1.22.2-1; sid: 1.22.2-1
106[00:23:40] <ZaZaGX> go use Ubuntu 19.10 xfce
107[00:23:43] <whislock> mutante: Don't blindly tell people to use testing. That's just moronic.
108[00:23:56] <B|ack0p> i came here from ubuntu already..
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110[00:24:07] <wikifart> all hail bernie
111[00:24:13] <ZaZaGX> is debian testing bad? i was going to try it
112[00:24:14] <mutante> whislock: you literally just told him to use a distro that gives you shiny and not stability
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114[00:24:22] <B|ack0p> it s nice distro but i d like to learn about debian too
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116[00:24:30] <whislock> mutante: "distro" is not "release."
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118[00:24:49] <whislock> mutante: Example: Xubuntu. That would be a distro.
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120[00:25:17] <mutante> whislock: and you want to argue that Ubuntu isn't just using the Debian packages?
121[00:25:32] <whislock> mutante: Given that they're not, it wouldn't be much of an argument.
122[00:25:40] <whislock> mutante: Please stop being purposefully obtuse.
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124[00:26:22] <mutante> whislock: maybe focus on giving actual advice to the person asking
125[00:26:34] <ZaZaGX> never heard of the word obtuse before
126[00:26:43] <nvz> ZaZaGX: seriously?
127[00:26:48] <whislock> mutante: I can help them and call you out on being an idiot at the same time.
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129[00:26:55] <nvz> ZaZaGX: you never had a geometry course?
130[00:26:56] <mutante> whislock: stop insulting me
131[00:27:03] <BERNIE2020> BERNIE FOR PRESIDENT 2020
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133[00:27:05] <whislock> mutante: Then stop acting in a way deserving of insults.
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135[00:27:26] <mutante> whislock: no, that's not how that works. you don't get to attack people and then decide they deserve it
136[00:27:46] <ZaZaGX> i failed geometry
137[00:27:48] <madprops> echo 'asdf'
138[00:27:52] <Unit193> whislock, mutante: It'd likely be nicer for the rest of us if #debian could get back to Debian support.
139[00:27:53] <ZaZaGX> i was more an algebra guy
140[00:27:55] <nvz> ZaZaGX: heh.. oh well...
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143[00:28:06] <whislock> Unit193: Already have.
144[00:28:11] <B|ack0p> i think i started an arguement :p
145[00:28:17] <whislock> B|ack0p: Not at all.
146[00:28:37] <ZaZaGX> i'm having a hard time with statistics
147[00:28:59] <B|ack0p> okk
148[00:29:00] <nvz> ZaZaGX: acute angles are less than 90deg, obtuse are greater than 90deg.. acute/obtuse have other uses.. like they use acute in the medical field to describe a sudden onset as opposed to chronic condition which is regularly occuring
149[00:29:18] <whislock> B|ack0p: The purpose of a Debian release is to provide a stable set of software and user experience for the life of that release. If an upstream projects releases a new stable version, that won't be brought into the current Debian stable release because that release is already... well, stable. Bringing in a brand new version might drastically change the system in a way that it shouldn't change
150[00:29:20] <whislock> within a stable release.
151[00:29:48] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
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153[00:30:10] <ZaZaGX> so i was thinking of getting a basic flip phone
154[00:30:22] <ZaZaGX> can i install debian on it?
155[00:30:25] <B|ack0p> whislock: also i realised that in debian i dont receive updates often unlike ubuntu
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158[00:31:11] <nvz> ZaZaGX: obtuse in that context though means kinda willfully ignorant
159[00:31:13] <whislock> B|ack0p: Ubuntu, especially the non-LTS releases, are more liberal about what they'll bring into an existing release. Updates within Debian are typically bugfixes and security updates.
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161[00:31:33] <BERNIE2020> I SUPPORT MEDICAID FOR ALL
162[00:31:36] <nvz> ZaZaGX: but expresses more that you are doing it annoyingly so :P
163[00:31:37] <BERNIE2020> BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNI
164[00:31:41] <B|ack0p> so how often debian releases new versions? every 2 years?
165[00:31:41] <ZaZaGX> i feel the burnnn
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167[00:31:54] <whislock> B|ack0p: When it's ready(tm)
168[00:31:54] <BERNIE2020> MEDICAID FOR ALL!
169[00:32:07] <nvz> !ops political spam
170[00:32:07] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: nvz complains about a problem (see above)
171[00:32:14] <whislock> nvz: Tautology. ;)
172[00:32:30] <B|ack0p> whislock: thx for specific info :p
173[00:32:30] <BERNIE2020> MEDICAID FOR ALL! ITS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT
174[00:32:31] <B|ack0p> lol
175[00:32:35] <ZaZaGX> whoa, sinbaptik uses the same VPN as i do
176[00:32:36] <whislock> B|ack0p: Sure.
177[00:32:43] <BERNIE2020> !ops nvz false reporting me
178[00:32:44] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: bernie2020 complains about a problem (see above)
179[00:32:52] <BERNIE2020> basic human rights are not span
180[00:32:54] <B|ack0p> BERNIE2020: stop spamming
181[00:32:58] <BERNIE2020> basic human rights are not spam
182[00:32:59] <BERNIE2020> basic human rights are not spam
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184[00:33:16] <ZaZaGX> how does he keep getting new IP adddress? lol
185[00:33:28] <nvz> its not even remotely difficult
186[00:33:43] <nvz> you can easily get a whole list of open proxies online
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189[00:33:51] <ZaZaGX> i would used to have to disconnect my 56k modem and reconnect to get a different IP address
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191[00:34:39] <nvz> I have a browser plugin that can automatically fetch a list and configure one
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194[00:35:06] <ZaZaGX> hi sinaptik
195[00:35:21] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
196[00:35:27] <nvz> finding a decent one is the trick.. and for something as low-latency low-bandwidth as irc id doesnt really matter much
197[00:36:09] <ZaZaGX> i thought freenode blocks them
198[00:36:18] <nvz> I'm sure they try
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202[00:36:54] <ZaZaGX> i tried to connect on here with ProtonVPN but it won't let me
203[00:37:17] <nvz> well many things are allowed but may be blocked during times of network trouble
204[00:37:19] <B|ack0p> i am having problem with Evolution
205[00:37:21] <Unit193> ZaZaGX: You have to use SASL with some non-password based auth, I believe.
206[00:37:29] <B|ack0p> i click send email but it takes forever to send
207[00:37:30] <ZaZaGX> yeah i used SASL
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210[00:38:51] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure if i locked down my debian machine enough
211[00:39:04] <whislock> Enough for what?
212[00:39:28] <ZaZaGX> from the spies and the feds
213[00:39:51] <whislock> Are you immune to firearms?
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215[00:40:03] <ZaZaGX> no
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217[00:40:12] <whislock> Then your machine is not the weakest link. ;)
218[00:40:20] <nvz> debian comes fairly locked down.. if you don't do stupid things its mostly secure
219[00:40:31] <nvz> as implied above, the user is the big issue
220[00:40:36] <whislock> replaced-url
221[00:40:44] <nvz> I been using Debian since like 2002 and I only been compromised once..
222[00:40:45] <dka> does modemmanager and gummu conflict ?
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224[00:40:48] <ZaZaGX> well, i disabled the rubber ducky usb flash drive
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226[00:41:16] <nvz> and that resulted from me testing something with a friend where I made a user account called guest with the password guest and forgot to remove it afterward
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228[00:41:26] <dka> does modemmanager and gammu conflict ? or I can have both installed ?
229[00:41:32] <nvz> I wouldnt exactly call that getting hacked :P
230[00:41:36] <ZaZaGX> nvz, how did you get compromised?
231[00:41:45] <ZaZaGX> oh nvm
232[00:41:46] <nvz> ZaZaGX: someone logged in and put an irc bot in there
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234[00:42:42] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
235[00:43:17] <ZaZaGX> systemctl disable cups-browsed
236[00:43:39] <ZaZaGX> used the ufw
237[00:44:06] <ZaZaGX> i also changed the DNS field to 1.1.1.1
238[00:44:16] <ZaZaGX> and i use a VPN
239[00:44:20] <nvz> well if you actually have services available having keys and good security policy for changing passwords/keys is more important..
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241[00:44:31] <nvz> and something like fail2ban doesnt hurt
242[00:44:50] <nvz> cause if you have something like say ssh running on default port, you can almost gaurentee people are gonna try
243[00:44:59] <ZaZaGX> i have never heard of fail2ban
244[00:45:04] <nvz> and if you allow password logins, they're gonna try common names and passwords
245[00:45:10] <whislock> All of that stuff is of VERY limited value, honestly.
246[00:45:21] <ZaZaGX> oh i made a grub login and password
247[00:45:38] <ZaZaGX> and encrpyted my harddrive
248[00:45:39] <nvz> yeah that only prevents local bypassing of the security
249[00:45:54] <nvz> doing something like init=/bin/bash to bypass pam
250[00:45:54] <ZaZaGX> i don't use ssh
251[00:46:18] <whislock> Keys of proper size don't need rotating. Passwords of proper strength don't need changing. fail2ban does very little because most attempts don't come from the same IP. Changing the SSH port is tantamount to obscurity, which has zero value. All it takes is a few seconds with nmap.
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253[00:46:31] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure putting a password on the BIOS is okay security
254[00:46:53] <nvz> all that would do is stop someone from booting via another media or such
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257[00:47:03] <nvz> and if the disk is encrypted that doesnt change much
258[00:47:21] <ZaZaGX> yeah i didn't want to someone to live boot a live usb flash drive
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261[00:48:08] <nvz> I dont have bios or grub passwords if someone has access to my drive and can get past the encryption I'm screwed either way :P
262[00:48:12] <whislock> ZaZaGX: If someone is physically at the system, all bets are off.
263[00:48:25] <nvz> it'd be trivial to take the drive out and access it
264[00:48:41] <whislock> Or hit the CMOS reset jumper, and your BIOS password disappears.
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266[00:49:19] <ZaZaGX> CMOS reset jumpers are in the laptop's motherboard? i don't have a desktop. i did reset a jumper for a desktop a long time ago
267[00:49:32] <ZaZaGX> to reset my BIOS password.
268[00:49:39] <whislock> Yup. Or you can pull the CMOS battery.
269[00:49:40] <ZaZaGX> but it was back than in Windows XP ages
270[00:49:41] <whislock> Same effect.
271[00:49:52] <nvz> yeah well most any machine without some sort of security chip, the bios password is easy to circumvent or discover
272[00:50:08] <ZaZaGX> i think i have a TPM security chip
273[00:50:09] <nvz> I have all my built in security crap disabled
274[00:50:13] <nvz> I dont trust it :P
275[00:50:21] <whislock> Bad reason to disable it.
276[00:50:37] <whislock> Not like Debian makes use of a TPM anyway.
277[00:50:46] <ZaZaGX> yeah i thought so
278[00:50:49] <whislock> Unless the OS is using the TPM, it doesn't help.
279[00:50:54] <nvz> these machines have computrace, tpm, all kinds of crap
280[00:51:13] <B|ack0p> ZaZaGX: do you have a ThinkPad ?
281[00:51:20] <whislock> nvz: Sure. But disabling it as a default isn't a great plan.
282[00:51:21] <ZaZaGX> how do you know?
283[00:51:31] <ZaZaGX> are you hacking me right now?
284[00:51:36] <B|ack0p> maybe :p
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286[00:51:37] <B|ack0p> lol
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288[00:51:49] <nvz> there aren't many machines out there that come with the thinkpad's standard features
289[00:51:54] * nvz is also on a thinkpad
290[00:52:02] <ZaZaGX> yeah i'm in a thinkpad
291[00:52:06] <whislock> Dell XPS.
292[00:52:08] <ZaZaGX> on
293[00:52:10] <B|ack0p> ThinkPads usually have TPM
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295[00:52:18] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
296[00:52:24] <whislock> Any modern system with UEFI capabilities has a TPM.
297[00:52:24] <swift110> tlm
298[00:52:26] * B|ack0p is also on an old IBM ThinkPad now
299[00:52:28] <swift110> \tlp you mean
300[00:52:35] <B|ack0p> swift110: sup
301[00:52:37] <swift110> B|ack0p, WHICH ONE
302[00:52:41] <gordonfish> "<nvz> you can easily get a whole list of open proxies online" ; Doesn't freenode specifically check for that upon login?
303[00:52:43] <swift110> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: "BunsenLabs" ""helium"" "9.8" • CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 2.9 GiB Total (1.4 GiB Free) Swap: 1.9 GiB Total (1.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 52.5 GB / 79.9 GB (27.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 9
304[00:52:44] <swift110> 43/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 18h 43m 56s
305[00:53:06] <ZaZaGX> my machine can only get 6 hours of battery life
306[00:53:06] <B|ack0p> swift110: X601s frankenpad
307[00:53:12] <B|ack0p> i have about 10 actually
308[00:53:18] <ZaZaGX> i'm at starbucks wifi
309[00:53:26] <millbates> question, im planning to raid1 two harddrives and was wondering if i should create the raid mdadm first, then create the filesystem, or is it the other way around?
310[00:53:29] <B|ack0p> Linux dthink-x601s 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
311[00:53:30] <nvz> swift110: which model? I'd just traded a T42p for this T440 I got
312[00:53:50] <ZaZaGX> I have a carbon x1 6th generation thinkpad
313[00:53:52] <B|ack0p> nvz: i newly got T42
314[00:53:57] <whislock> millbates: RAID first.
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316[00:54:15] <millbates> whislock, any reason why?
317[00:54:35] <whislock> millbates: Because it won't work *at all* the other way around.
318[00:54:41] <ZaZaGX> debian 10 works better than Ubuntu 18.04
319[00:54:44] <mutante> ZaZaGX: encrypting the disk does help against some of those threats. you can select it in the installer as "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM"
320[00:54:54] <whislock> mdadm creates a virtual "disk" upon which the filesystem is built.
321[00:55:02] <ZaZaGX> mutante, yeah i did that when i formatted my machine
322[00:55:04] <whislock> ZaZaGX: "better" is a subjective statement.
323[00:55:05] <nvz> B|ack0p: kid I traded for this, was thrilled he was an enthusiast looking to create a collection of maxed out thinkpads of all models.. felt like I was robbing him trading him that old IBM for this new lenovo he'd decked out with retrofitted bells and whistles
324[00:55:08] <millbates> so you cant perform raid with preformatted drives?
325[00:55:20] <millbates> ah that makes sense
326[00:55:28] <whislock> millbates: Sure you can. You'd need to repartition it, and it will wipe out whatever's already there.
327[00:55:36] <B|ack0p> nvz: did you pay over t42p ?
328[00:55:46] <B|ack0p> or it was just a swap/
329[00:55:47] <B|ack0p> ?
330[00:55:56] <ZaZaGX> well ubuntu 18.04 would go to sleep mode. and it stays asleep and wakes up all slow and corrupts firefox and other apps when it wakes up
331[00:56:06] <B|ack0p> i wish to collect all models too but cant find and cant afford all by now..
332[00:56:15] <nvz> B|ack0p: I gave him like 3 T61 and 2 T500 that were all broken.. cracked screens, missing parts..etc
333[00:56:17] <ZaZaGX> at least for my machine
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335[00:56:31] <nvz> B|ack0p: the T42p was the only one in good working condition
336[00:56:34] <B|ack0p> nvz: if he is happy no problem.. trade is trade
337[00:56:41] <ZaZaGX> whats your specs?
338[00:56:51] <millbates> another question, my nas just updated its kernel and its using 5.3, which version is this?
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340[00:57:05] <whislock> millbates: Is your NAS running Debian?
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342[00:57:10] <millbates> 5.3 bpo or something
343[00:57:12] <millbates> yes
344[00:57:19] <whislock> Ah. Backport kernel.
345[00:57:28] <ZaZaGX> well, is there any more advice for locking down my debian machine?
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347[00:57:54] <millbates> whis, what is it exactly?
348[00:57:57] <nvz> This T440 has the i5-4300U 1.9ghz 8GB ram, 120GB sata ssd, 24Wh internal 72Wh external batteries, retrofitted with a 3 button touchpad and 1080p screen..
349[00:58:07] <millbates> thought 10 was 4.19?
350[00:58:08] <nvz> millbates: what is bpo?
351[00:58:16] <ZaZaGX> whoa baller
352[00:58:31] <whislock> ,v linux-image-amd64
353[00:58:32] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; bullseye: 5.3.9-3; sid: 5.3.9-3
354[00:58:33] <millbates> nvz, whis said it
355[00:58:40] <B|ack0p> nvz: i hate new models of thinkpads :/
356[00:58:50] <B|ack0p> actually i dont like models after .60
357[00:58:55] <ZaZaGX> mines kind of like yours
358[00:58:58] <nvz> bpo is a backport package from the backports repo.. a package backported from source in sid/testing and compiled against dependencies in your stable release
359[00:59:07] <millbates> bullseye beta?
360[00:59:10] <millbates> ah
361[00:59:14] <whislock> Seems to have been a custom thing, as there isn't a backport kernel of that version in the Debian repos.
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364[00:59:44] <ZaZaGX> does he have a frankenstein?
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367[00:59:57] <whislock> I suspect his NAS is a Debian derivative or something.
368[00:59:58] <nvz> ZaZaGX: I was looking to sell it and go back to a smaller one. I had the x240 before this.. I'd bought a 240GB m2 SSD for this one and was gonna try sell it and get maybe an X250, X260 or something
369[01:00:03] <millbates> whis, its openmediavault
370[01:00:13] <swift110> nvz, z61m right now but behind me is an x60 and I have a few others
371[01:00:13] <ZaZaGX> get a x1 carbon 7th gen :P
372[01:00:30] <whislock> millbates: Then yes, a derivative.
373[01:00:35] <millbates> id ask their channel but its super dead right now
374[01:00:42] <swift110> i might still have a dead t40 lol
375[01:00:52] <nvz> yeah I'm not looking to go that far.. I am happy with the performance of this machine, I just would like to go back to the smaller 12in machine without paying much difference than what I can get out of this
376[01:01:13] <ZaZaGX> oh, yeah its pretty exspensive
377[01:01:15] <whislock> millbates: Unfortunately, this channel ONLY supports Debian - not derivatives.
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379[01:01:33] <millbates> ok
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381[01:01:39] <swift110> nvz, this x60 is quite light and nice to use\
382[01:01:49] <B|ack0p> swift110: agree i love my x601s
383[01:01:52] <ZaZaGX> maybe a x1 carbon 6th gen :D
384[01:01:58] <nvz> and being that it has 96Wh of power with the 2 batteries, charging to 90% design capacity and the 1080p and 3 button touchpad not stock available on this model.. I think I can get a decent bit out of it to buy a model or two newer without paying much
385[01:01:59] <B|ack0p> perfect with linux
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387[01:02:16] <millbates> thanks again
388[01:02:25] <nvz> ZaZaGX: the 3rd gen would probably still cost me $100 over what I could get out of this
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390[01:02:36] <nvz> and honestly I'm not very impressed with the X1 carbon
391[01:02:37] <ZaZaGX> what kind of model of thinkpad you planning to get?
392[01:02:44] <ZaZaGX> oh my!
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394[01:03:02] <ZaZaGX> well, it has a very good keyboard
395[01:03:07] <nvz> I just want something as close to what I got now as I can get in the smaller 12in profile
396[01:03:21] <ZaZaGX> 12 inches is too small
397[01:03:23] <nvz> I want fingerprint, 1080, long battery life.. all the crap I got now
398[01:03:38] <B|ack0p> ZaZaGX: excuse me?
399[01:03:47] <B|ack0p> x1 carbon has very good keyboard? :p
400[01:03:49] <B|ack0p> lol
401[01:03:50] <nvz> the x240 fit perfectly in my backpack's molded compartment that kept it secure
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403[01:04:03] <ZaZaGX> well, tech reviews said so too
404[01:04:05] <B|ack0p> i think you never typed on a classic thinkpad keyboard
405[01:04:18] <nvz> this t440 is too long.. I can barely sip the bag.. its not really protecting it cause its too big to fit in the molded compartment
406[01:04:36] <B|ack0p> nvz: that s why 4:3 screens are best :p
407[01:04:45] <nvz> meh
408[01:04:46] <ZaZaGX> i had typed on a classic thinkpad keyboard before
409[01:05:11] <ZaZaGX> i guess i'm kind of spoiled. i think i need more specs
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411[01:05:18] <B|ack0p> i see
412[01:05:36] <ZaZaGX> its kind of a bad tech addiction
413[01:06:02] <ZaZaGX> like i have a nice smartphone right now. but i want to switch out to a basic flip phone
414[01:06:11] <nvz> idk but this pianobar is a great program
415[01:06:18] <swift110> i like the yoga's zv
416[01:06:27] <nvz> ,i pianobar
417[01:06:28] <judd> Package pianobar (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: console based player for Pandora radio. Version: 2019.02.14-1; Size: 44.8k; Installed: 130k; Homepage: replaced-url
418[01:06:41] <swift110> goodness yes 4:3 screens are awesome
419[01:06:44] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
420[01:06:52] <ZaZaGX> i was just googling pianobar too
421[01:06:53] <ZaZaGX> can't find it
422[01:07:13] <ZaZaGX> swift110 i was thinking of getting a yoga too
423[01:07:26] <ZaZaGX> but i should use my laptop until it dies
424[01:07:29] <Unit193> If you like pianobar, but like GUIs. There's also Pithos.
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426[01:07:49] <ZaZaGX> my laptop cost like 1700 bucks
427[01:07:50] <nvz> its a text based pandora client you can easily setup to send data out or recieve data in to customize your setup any way you like
428[01:07:56] <swift110> zawhat do you have now
429[01:08:20] <ZaZaGX> Lenovo X1 Carbon 6th Gen
430[01:08:21] <nvz> you could easily make pianobar GUI or just set it up to use MM keys as remote control and OSD for visual display
431[01:08:37] <ZaZaGX> its an ultrabook
432[01:08:40] <Unit193> My point was that Pithos already exists..
433[01:08:43] <nvz> and unlike youtubedl or other such things, this has never broken on me
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435[01:09:01] <swift110> nice ZaZaGX
436[01:09:05] <ZaZaGX> it has good reviews from tech blogs too
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438[01:09:12] <Unit193> nvz: You haven't been using it very long then, have you? :P
439[01:09:20] <swift110> you can always update youtube-dl nvz
440[01:09:22] <nvz> I've been using it a couple years
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442[01:09:32] <nvz> I don't use it that OFTEN
443[01:09:33] <nvz> heh
444[01:09:43] <swift110> i use it a wholelot
445[01:10:08] <nvz> I like mps-youtube a lot too
446[01:10:10] <ZaZaGX> i used to use spotify web player
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450[01:10:39] <swift110> ehy
451[01:10:43] <nvz> but the simplicity and completeness of pianobar is just magnificent
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453[01:11:30] <ZaZaGX> i read its better not to install those applications on debian. like the spotify program on debian
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460[01:14:37] <ZaZaGX> will debian 10 support Wifi 6? or 802.11ax\
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465[01:16:32] <nvz> if linux supports it, debian should
466[01:16:49] <nvz> debian 10 ships with linux 4.19 but 5.x is available in backports
467[01:17:23] <ZaZaGX> not sure if 4.19 supports wifi 6
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469[01:17:48] <ZaZaGX> was thinking of getting a mac
470[01:18:08] <ZaZaGX> but it doesn't have that wifi card of wifi 6
471[01:18:26] <nvz> well wifi specs depend on support on both ends.. and typically revert back
472[01:18:49] <nvz> AN cards will operate on B/G if the AP doesnt support it
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474[01:18:51] <ZaZaGX> maybe i should wait and save up. but i don't like mac people
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481[01:21:34] <ZaZaGX> maybe i'll wait for the stable release of debian 11
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488[01:24:25] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure what to do
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506[01:30:18] <ZaZaGX> the hell, people still use cingular?
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517[01:38:56] <ZaZaGX> i wonder if robots will take over the world. it'll probably be powered by Ubuntu OS
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529[01:44:39] <B|ack0p> good nite
530[01:44:50] <ZaZaGX> its only 4:44pm here
531[01:45:00] <B|ack0p> it is 3.44 am here :p
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533[01:45:11] <ZaZaGX> where is that?
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535[01:45:12] <B|ack0p> i should be sleeping looong time ago lol
536[01:45:16] <B|ack0p> ZaZaGX: Turkey
537[01:45:23] <ZaZaGX> whoa far away
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549[01:53:02] <ZaZaGX> !ping
550[01:53:02] <dpkg> Sorry zazagx, you're not online.
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552[01:54:36] <mutante> user comes to Debian channel, wants to _test_ newer version of xfce. Debian _testing_ has exact version he wants to test. Yet "using testing is horrible advice, let's recommend Ubuntu instead on the Debian channel and when user comes back with Ubuntu tell them "no support here".
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555[01:55:42] <ZaZaGX> great idea!
556[01:55:51] <RedDebian> Test
557[01:56:14] <RedDebian> ok, perfect
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587[02:24:15] <dka> I am trying to upgrade ModemManager by compiling from source
588[02:24:20] <dka> I have the following error: replaced-url
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590[02:24:30] <dka> I did git clone git@github.com:freedesktop/ModemManager.git and git checkout 1.12.0\
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605[02:40:47] <genright> install libtool? replaced-url
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607[02:43:45] <rwp> dka, When building software from source I always start by installing the stated dependencies from the package.
608[02:43:58] <rwp> dka, apt-get build-dep modemmanager modem-manager-gui
609[02:44:04] <dka> Yes
610[02:44:10] <dka> configure: error: Couldn't find libqmi-glib >= 1.24.0. Install it, or otherwise configure using --without-qmi to disable QMI support.
611[02:44:11] <rwp> That should pull in whatever the packager is using.
612[02:44:20] <dka> libqmi-glib-dev is 1.22.0
613[02:44:23] <dka> I don't know what to do
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615[02:45:00] <rwp> Unfortunately it is often like that. To build one thing you must first build ten other things it is dependent upon.
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621[02:48:50] <dka> Ok so I did compile it properly. How can I replace the modemmanager I have with the one compiled ?
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636[03:11:34] <wsky> replaced-url
637[03:11:40] <wsky> nice mix at radio 1
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691[04:10:46] <dka> This is the source code repository of modem-manager-gui : replaced-url
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723[04:36:59] <dka> How can I install pacrunner on debian?
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778[05:53:16] <debian33> Hi I have been given the task of upgrading an old debian 7 wheezy box to jessie - I've followed the LTS guide but I get E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
779[05:53:16] <debian33> replaced-url
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781[05:54:29] <wsky> debian33: try a different mirror
782[05:54:41] <wsky> maybe the mani one, it should be complete
783[05:55:06] <debian33> wsky: I'm using deb replaced-url
784[05:55:23] <wsky> sure
785[05:55:45] <wsky> if the packge lacks there too file a bug
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787[05:56:37] <wsky> however you should file a bug at this moment if there is no package of such in the main mirror
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789[05:57:04] <debian33> wsky thanks good idea
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791[05:57:46] * debian33 thinks its working now - getting 7mb of packages from apt-get update --fix-missing finally (was 700bytes prior)
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793[06:01:59] <epsilon> debian33: a fresh install is not an option? Few things have changed since 7
794[06:02:25] <debian33> epsilon yeh I'm leaning that way its just got a bunch of stuff running on it still and the owner doesn't want to have to do any extra work if possible
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816[06:19:30] <debian33> I *think* it's gonna work now ... but this is a computer so who knows
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966[08:26:54] <dreamer> 78
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968[08:26:58] <dreamer> sry
969[08:27:10] <ob-sed> whats a good graphical diff app for debian/kde ?
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976[08:31:04] <jm_> ob-sed: meld tkdiff diffuse and so on
977[08:31:15] <ob-sed> thanks jm_
978[08:31:15] <jm_> kde has kdiff
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980[08:31:19] <jm_> no worries
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982[08:31:28] <ob-sed> thanks kdiff is not working for some reason, the compare button is greyed out
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1017[08:49:32] <po0o0o0op> I HAVE DISCOVERED A HIDDEN EASTER EGG IN DEBIAN PUT THERE BY THE DEVS
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1025[08:51:13] <po0o0o0op> to unlock hidden pac-man game in debian, type rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
1026[08:51:16] <po0o0o0op> all on one line
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1028[08:51:27] <po0o0o0op> and thats two dashes in a row before no
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1035[08:53:46] <jelly> (avoid doing what the poop troll said, it's a harmful command)
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1039[08:57:00] <diogenes_> do i need a reboot after that?
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1047[09:04:07] <Feelsonix> Hi, i have a webserver with Debian 8 i just want to survey in real time the trafic on my server with the IP ? it is possible in command line ? Thx
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1052[09:08:34] <jm_> Feelsonix: survey how?
1053[09:09:41] <tarzeau> Feelsonix: goaccess is what you want
1054[09:10:00] <tarzeau> or tail -f on the webserver log files
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1057[09:15:51] <Feelsonix> ok, i just want to see who access on my server in real time when a personn is connected on my webpage i can get the ip
1058[09:17:34] <jm_> yeah for that you can check tail the logs or use a tool like tarzeau mentioned, if you want to go low level you can use tools like jnettop or even tcpdump
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1066[09:21:19] <MaxFrames> hello
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1068[09:22:05] <MaxFrames> yesterday I followed this guide, verbatim, to perform a clean upgrade of a debian 7 virtual machine to debian 9 (I skipped the upgrade from 9 to 10): replaced-url
1069[09:22:27] <MaxFrames> the upgrade from 7 to 8 went very well; the upgrade from 8 to 9 resulted in an unbootable machine
1070[09:23:19] <jm_> in general you follow debian release notes for upgrades
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1073[09:28:11] <jelly> MaxFrames: do you have logs of the upgrade process?
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1081[09:34:29] <MaxFrames> jelly: I have watched it and tried to take notes of some errors during the update process, but I am not sure the full logs have been stored
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1083[09:35:58] <MaxFrames> when I boot the vm, it (for some reason) repeatedly tries to read from floppy (which is odd, given there is no floppy virtual device) and throws an error -5 while reading block 0, then gives up
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1085[09:36:42] <jm_> boot by removing quiet parameter then put the screenshot somewhere
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1087[09:37:11] <MaxFrames> then there is this error: ALERT! UUID=c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
1088[09:37:22] <MaxFrames> and then I find myself in a busybox terminal
1089[09:37:34] <MaxFrames> ok, I'll try
1090[09:37:51] <jelly> MaxFrames: they're not unless you took care to save them, like the official docs recommend replaced-url
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1095[09:40:51] <jelly> you can boot a livecd and inspect which UUID your / filesystem has now, mount your installation, fix fstab, and update grub config
1096[09:40:56] <MaxFrames> is it correct that GRUB (for Debian 9) is version 2.02 beta3-5+deb9u2? a beta version?
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1098[09:41:29] <jm_> yes
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1114[09:52:50] <ZaZaGX> hi
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1116[09:53:10] <MaxFrames> I have to put this on hold for now, got a call from high above :X
1117[09:53:21] <ZaZaGX> God?
1118[09:53:26] <MaxFrames> anyway I will boot with a live cd and work from there
1119[09:53:43] <MaxFrames> ZaZaGX: no, one of his lazy servants
1120[09:53:58] <ZaZaGX> lol
1121[09:54:00] <MaxFrames> still higher in the corporate stack than me
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1141[10:10:50] <simplicius> Hello
1142[10:11:05] <simplicius> Is AndroidStudio in debian repository?
1143[10:12:14] <tartinedepain> no simplicius
1144[10:12:40] <tartinedepain> replaced-url
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1151[10:19:16] <simplicius> tartinedepain, and I dowload that tarball straightwat also for debian?
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1162[10:23:35] <tartinedepain> replaced-url
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1197[10:53:07] <ob-sed> debian r0x
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1214[11:06:24] <bigfatstackjack> actually doesnt force reg , amazing
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1218[11:07:26] <bigfatstackjack> I would like to resize GTK decorator borders , iirc I had a gui tool to do that but I cant remember , google results turn up garbage , anyone any ideas ?
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1221[11:09:28] <humbot> maybe gnome-tweak-tool, you use gnome?
1222[11:09:53] <bigfatstackjack> I'll try that, I am on awesome but that just might work
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1224[11:10:23] <humbot> oh that sounds like a bad idea
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1226[11:11:30] <bigfatstackjack> Nope , doesnt support gtk tweaking
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1228[11:13:03] <humbot> surely awesome has it's own configs, maybe in ~/.config
1229[11:13:15] <bigfatstackjack> I might just have to edit the css which will work
1230[11:13:17] <humbot> i'd start by reading the arch wiki tbh
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1232[11:14:35] <bigfatstackjack> Im quite comfortable with awesome , this is specifically about the gtk elements, decorator might have not been the best word to use :P that indeed is done by the de/wm
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1234[11:15:16] <bigfatstackjack> Just thought i remembered that there was a tool tool to do this backinthedays
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1237[11:18:40] <bigfatstackjack> stumbled across this; oomox-gui looks pretty neat
1238[11:19:01] <bigfatstackjack> thanks humbot
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1261[11:48:51] <MaxFrames> I am back. So, the UID of the device (strangely identified as a floppy drive) that causes my Stretch to fail to boot is indeed /dev/sda1
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1267[11:52:34] <EdePopede> is there something like dxdiag in windows? i only see glxinfo and this only floods the terminal with some internal function(ality) names and a table which all is meaningful only for core developers
1268[11:52:44] <MaxFrames> fsck says /dev/sda1 is clean
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1270[11:53:38] <EdePopede> needless to say that the manpage is no more than a listing of its few options and doesn't have any pointer to something relevant
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1273[11:55:13] <MaxFrames> jelly: would you be available now to help me with what you suggested earlier?
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1276[11:57:12] <mackerel449> performance on my kaby lake laptop is really poor when using an external ultrawide monitor, it's only 30% more pixels than a fullhd display, i don't get it
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1284[12:02:28] <mackerel449> i have all the extra firmware installed along with i915.enable=guc2 / enable_fbc=1
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1287[12:05:22] <mackerel449> will try turning fbc off
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1298[12:11:13] <mackerel449> turning fbc off seems to improve performance, maybe the igpu is stuck at a lower clock when it's enabled?
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1302[12:12:47] <MaxFrames> I have mounted /dev/sda1 and I am looking at /etc/fstab; the device (sda1) is listed, with a matching UUID, dunno what I should "fix" here to make the system bootable again
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1308[12:18:17] <MaxFrames> the UUID returned by blkid (c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989) is the same that is in fstab, and when I try to boot debian complains that this UUID does not existc9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989
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1311[12:18:50] <jm_> MaxFrames: when you get a rescue prompt, do you see the disk and its partitions detected/
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1315[12:19:23] <MaxFrames> atm I am in a live environment, and I had to mount /dev/sda1 manually
1316[12:19:38] <MaxFrames> shall I reboot to get back to the busybox terminal?
1317[12:19:48] <jm_> yeah we know it works here since blkid reports it, you need to inspect things with debian boot
1318[12:20:26] <MaxFrames> ok let me remove the live cd from the virtual cd drive and reboot
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1321[12:24:02] <MaxFrames> ok, it takes a few minutes for it to give up on trying to boot from the hard drive and drop me to busybox, but I'm there now
1322[12:24:17] <MaxFrames> the prompt reads "(initramfs)"
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1327[12:27:11] <jm_> check cat /proc/partitions
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1332[12:28:07] <MaxFrames> yep; another PITA is that I cannot copy and paste from guest to host
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1334[12:28:36] <jm_> so it detects the disk?
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1337[12:29:17] <MaxFrames> no
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1339[12:29:29] <MaxFrames> only fd0 and sr0
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1341[12:29:38] <jm_> what kind of disk is it?
1342[12:29:49] <jm_> (I know it's a VM, but how is it configured there)
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1347[12:33:39] <MaxFrames> it should be an mbr style ide disk
1348[12:34:02] <MaxFrames> I'm googling the issue. it may have to do with uefi vs mbr
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1350[12:34:37] <MaxFrames> surely I didn't change anything in the vm configuration, but could it be that the disk is not detected because it's mbr and the system is trying uefi?
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1353[12:35:12] <jm_> unlikely if kernel starts, check which driver debian live uses for it and then check if initramfs image includes it
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1355[12:35:23] <jelly> MaxFrames: sorry, busy, but there are other people able to help making a VM bootable again
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1361[12:41:56] <MaxFrames> if I choose from grub to boot from a previous kernel (3.16) it boots
1362[12:43:27] <jm_> then check which driver it uses
1363[12:44:25] <MaxFrames> I'm sorry, I don't know how to do it
1364[12:44:54] <MaxFrames> I'm afraid I would need step by step directions; if you can't, no problem
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1367[12:45:50] <MaxFrames> the kernel I booted with now is 3.16.0-10-686-pae
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1369[12:46:35] <jm_> do you know which device it is?
1370[12:47:53] <MaxFrames> it's /dev/sda1
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1372[12:48:35] <MaxFrames> so I can boot from kernel 3.x but not from kernel 4.x
1373[12:48:38] <jm_> start with ls -l /sys/block/sda/device/driver
1374[12:49:50] <MaxFrames> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 nov 28 12:41 /sys/block/sda/device/driver -> ../../../../../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd
1375[12:51:19] <jm_> ok so scsi, let me check how to dig further
1376[12:51:41] <MaxFrames> strange, on the vm configuration this has always been an ide drive
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1379[12:56:41] <jm_> hmm can't figure it out quickly, so look at dmesg output, for me it says "scsi host1: ahci" - that's before individual disks show up
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1381[12:58:10] <panga> What file sanitization exactly means?
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1383[13:01:11] <MaxFrames> just "dmesg"?
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1389[13:01:53] <MaxFrames> I need to filter out a lot of iptables entries
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1393[13:04:25] <MaxFrames> dmesg is interesting... you can see what is going on, there are even spectre vulnerability checks
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1395[13:05:06] <MaxFrames> and you can see the system is aware of being an hyper-v virtual machine
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1397[13:05:59] <MaxFrames> I will paste some entries that I hope are relevant
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1399[13:06:15] <MaxFrames> [ 0.951197] scsi0 : ata_piix
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1401[13:06:57] <MaxFrames> ^ this is the virtual floppy drive (that is not present in the vm config though)
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1403[13:07:50] <MaxFrames> [ 0.978850] scsi1 : ata_piix
1404[13:07:50] <MaxFrames> [ 0.978897] ata1: PATA max UDMA/33 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xffa0 irq 14
1405[13:07:50] <MaxFrames> [ 0.978899] ata2: PATA max UDMA/33 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xffa8 irq 15
1406[13:08:03] <jm_> so ata_piix is your driver, check if the other kernel has it
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1409[13:08:46] <jm_> 4.19.0-6-amd64 includes it, you also want to check if initramfs includes it (lsinitramfs is your friend)
1410[13:09:24] <MaxFrames> I'm on x86
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1414[13:11:06] <jm_> find /lib/modules | grep piix
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1417[13:12:22] <MaxFrames> ok I will paste the relevant lines (with kernel 4.9)
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1419[13:12:47] * jelly vaguely remembers some of the legacy ata drivers being deprecated for the last time around debian 6 or so, but not around 8->9
1420[13:13:32] <MaxFrames> "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-piix4.ko"
1421[13:13:32] <MaxFrames> "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/ata_piix.ko"
1422[13:13:32] <MaxFrames> "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_oldpiix.ko"
1423[13:13:32] <MaxFrames> "/lib/modules/4.9.0-11-686-pae/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_mpiix.ko"
1424[13:13:45] <jelly> MaxFrames: which virtualization host software are you using?
1425[13:13:53] <MaxFrames> hyper-v (don't shoot me)
1426[13:13:56] <jm_> so yeah kernel side looks OK
1427[13:14:08] <jm_> alternative would be tro try and change it to sata there
1428[13:14:11] <jelly> 2016? older?
1429[13:14:13] <MaxFrames> I cannot paste here anymore, got a spam warning, will have to use pastebin for multiline pastes
1430[13:14:23] <jelly> !paste
1431[13:14:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1432[13:14:26] <MaxFrames> hyper-v running in windows 10, so current
1433[13:14:39] <jelly> oh, workstation hyper-v
1434[13:14:49] <MaxFrames> yes for this test environment
1435[13:15:05] <MaxFrames> the production machine runs on hyper-v windows server 2008 r2
1436[13:15:12] <jelly> maybe you can shut down the machine, switch disk controller from IDE to AHCI and see if that boots up
1437[13:15:19] <jelly> oh dear
1438[13:15:20] <MaxFrames> I created a generation 1 vm to match the server
1439[13:15:34] <MaxFrames> yes, it is that involved
1440[13:16:04] <jelly> MaxFrames: do your people know 2008R2 is unsupported after January 14, 2020
1441[13:16:13] <MaxFrames> I know :(
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1444[13:17:16] <B|ack0p> hi
1445[13:17:21] <jelly> be that as it may I might have a debian 8 or 9 running on 2008R2 as well
1446[13:17:22] <MaxFrames> if you want to quit now I understand... but that is the situation unfortunately
1447[13:17:41] <sponix> Debian 10. DaVinci Resolve errors out like this replaced-url
1448[13:17:56] <jelly> MaxFrames: is /lib/modules/4.9.0-*/kernel/drivers/scsi/hv_storvsc.ko present?
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1453[13:19:43] <MaxFrames> yes it is
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1457[13:22:04] <LCRERGO> Hi, I wanted to know what is the name of yacc and lex packages in Debian
1458[13:22:23] <MaxFrames> for what is worth: "lsinitramfs -l /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-11-686-pae" => "cpio: premature end of archive"
1459[13:22:43] <jelly> MaxFrames: try to rebuild the initrd for 4.9 kernel and include that module by force
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1462[13:23:04] <jelly> MaxFrames: add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules first
1463[13:23:05] <jm_> LCRERGO: bison
1464[13:23:18] <tarzeau> LCRERGO: flex
1465[13:23:40] <LCRERGO> bison and flex?
1466[13:23:43] <tarzeau> LCRERGO: yes
1467[13:23:52] <jelly> MaxFrames: then something like: update-initramfs -u -k 4.9.0-11-686-pae
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1469[13:24:08] <LCRERGO> I'll take a look thanks
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1472[13:25:02] <jelly> MaxFrames: and hope h-v on w10 does similar enough disk controller emulation like ws2008r2 h-v does
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1474[13:25:49] <jelly> I'd suggest switching to scsi controller instead for linux VMs but AFAIR 2008R2 can't boot from scsi
1475[13:27:06] <MaxFrames> I'm not sure about this last one, it may be able
1476[13:27:54] <MaxFrames> tell you what, I will try to shut down the machine, just mount the disk as scsi instead of ide and see what happens, before I do anything inside the vm
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1479[13:31:04] <MaxFrames> nope, boot failure when the disk is mounted as scsi
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1484[13:33:16] <MaxFrames> so back to plan A: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is currently blank (default)
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1487[13:33:58] <MaxFrames> anyway from the boot sequence I can already see that things are failing... isc-dhcp-server for example fails to start :(
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1490[13:38:13] <MaxFrames> trying the two commands you suggested (added the hv-storvsc.ko line and then updating initramfs
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1499[13:39:50] <MaxFrames> I added a "hv_storvsc.ko" line to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, then I did "update-initramfs -u -k 4.9.0-11-686-pae" and rebooted
1500[13:40:09] <MaxFrames> no change... still won't boot
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1503[13:42:08] <jelly> MaxFrames: without .ko
1504[13:42:17] <MaxFrames> ooops :X
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1506[13:43:10] <jelly> my bad
1507[13:43:20] <MaxFrames> the rest is correct?
1508[13:43:47] <jelly> it looks correct
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1511[13:44:14] <MaxFrames> let's try it once more, like in the Spandau Ballet song :P
1512[13:45:15] <dvs> Daft Punk!
1513[13:45:32] <MaxFrames> no joy. I think this has passed the point of no return. it may be better to try and recreate the machine from scratch and then try to configure the services as they were before
1514[13:46:13] <jelly> or keep it running with old kernel
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1516[13:46:55] <MaxFrames> possibly... but I see that several services won't start now (after 8=>9)
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1520[13:48:36] <jm_> have you tried loading ata_piix in 4.x kernel? make sure it's available in initramfs
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1523[13:50:01] <jelly> MaxFrames: your release upgrade may or may not be complete.
1524[13:50:28] <MaxFrames> based on output, it should have been completed, but what do I know
1525[13:50:43] <jelly> if you had apache, it would have probably broken from 7 to 8 (from apache 2.2 to 2.4)
1526[13:51:06] <MaxFrames> jm_: same procedure? i.e. add it to initramfs-tools/modules then update initramfs?
1527[13:51:18] <jelly> there are other notable issues, documented in the release notes for each release.
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1529[13:51:53] <jm_> MaxFrames: yeah check with lsinitramfs first
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1531[13:53:20] <MaxFrames> :/home/pavccabo3# lsinitramfs -l /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-11-686-pae ==> cpio: premature end of archive
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1533[13:54:26] <MaxFrames> dunno what that even means
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1537[13:55:27] <MaxFrames> lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) ==> seems to work (for the current kernel)
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1539[13:58:29] <MaxFrames> nope, ata_piix did not help either
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1541[13:59:30] <jelly> MaxFrames: which initramfs-tools package version is installed?
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1543[14:00:25] <MaxFrames> at this point I feel I am wasting your time. it may be a better idea to rebuild. basically the services that need to be set up exactly as they were in the old 7 machine are openvpn, including the certification authority and the certificate store, isc-dhcp-server including its list of authorized mac addresses, and arpwatch including its list of known pairs
1544[14:01:05] <jelly> yeah that's not a whole lot
1545[14:01:15] <MaxFrames> plus maybe something that now I can't remember
1546[14:02:12] <MaxFrames> buster seems to be supported even in 2008 r2
1547[14:03:29] <jelly> did you verify UUIDs actually match? Maybe it's not just the disk/controller driver that's at fault
1548[14:03:52] <jelly> (UUID on root fs, vs. the one in /boot/grub/grub.conf)
1549[14:04:00] <MaxFrames> initramfs-tools/oldstable,now 0.130 all [installed]
1550[14:04:13] <jelly> ,v initramfs-tools
1551[14:04:14] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 0.120+deb8u3; stretch: 0.130; buster: 0.133+deb10u1; bullseye: 0.135; sid: 0.135
1552[14:04:24] <jelly> that's debian 9, ok
1553[14:04:26] <MaxFrames> I'm on stretch so ok
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1555[14:05:33] <MaxFrames> got no /boot/grub/grub.conf
1556[14:06:00] <MaxFrames> there is a /boot/grub/grub.cfg
1557[14:06:12] <jelly> that was a thinko
1558[14:07:09] <MaxFrames> the UUID returned by blkid (c9c71550-f6a5-45b1-9933-938f37e07989) is the same that is in fstab
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1560[14:08:01] <MaxFrames> the disk is the correct one. correct uuid. kernel v4 ignores it and tries to boot from a non existent floppy disk, then gives up. kernel v3 has no problems.
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1562[14:08:29] <jelly> the floppy disk thing is a red herring probably
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1564[14:09:37] <jelly> I don't have a toy machine to try booting 4.9 in h-v around, my latest on h-v is still debian 8
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1574[14:15:30] <jelly> MaxFrames: oh, and is hyperv-daemons installed?
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1578[14:15:41] <MaxFrames> yep
1579[14:16:07] <MaxFrames> just for kicks... replaced-url
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1583[14:16:43] <MaxFrames> some suggest it may be a bug in some package later fixed... but having just upgraded to 9, I suppose it is up to date?
1584[14:17:12] <MaxFrames> the thread though is from 2014 :X just noticed
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1589[14:18:33] <MaxFrames> behold my fstab anyway replaced-url
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1591[14:18:54] <jelly> MaxFrames: whne you're left in initramfs busybox shell, are there any /dev/sd* existing at all?
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1594[14:19:09] <MaxFrames> no
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1597[14:19:55] <jelly> MaxFrames: and did you verify whether hv_storvsc or ata_piix is loaded at all (lsmod) at that point?
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1599[14:20:22] <josvukpi> Hi, im on wheezy raspberrypi . and want to delete the x11 and desktop stuff to make more space
1600[14:20:52] <jelly> josvukpi: do you have raspbian installed? If you do, there's a different channel for it
1601[14:20:55] <jelly> !raspbian
1602[14:20:56] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1603[14:21:04] <josvukpi> so whwer are the most space consuming pakets
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1607[14:21:13] <MaxFrames> jelly: I can check now. after this, I will have to quit for today, thanks a bunch for trying to help me
1608[14:21:48] <MaxFrames> maybe I will come back the next days to get some hints about configuring the services on the freshly installed debian 10
1609[14:22:19] <MaxFrames> thanks jm also
1610[14:22:29] <josvukpi> pi@2mfm ~ $ uname -a
1611[14:22:29] <josvukpi> Linux 2mfm 4.1.19+ #858 Tue Mar 15 15:52:03 GMT 2016 armv6l GNU/Linux
1612[14:22:29] <josvukpi> pi@2mfm ~ $
1613[14:22:48] <josvukpi> is it raspbian?
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1622[14:25:39] <jelly> josvukpi: that's not a debian kernel, but that's not conclusive. What does "lsb_release -a" say, under Distributor ID?
1623[14:25:40] <MaxFrames> jelly: fwiw ata_piix is loaded, hv_storvsc is not
1624[14:26:17] <jelly> MaxFrames: hmm. can you "modprobe hv_storvsc" manually and see if anything new happens in dmesg and if /dev/sd* appear?
1625[14:26:51] <MaxFrames> unfortunately I have to quit at least for today
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1628[14:27:10] <jelly> np, see you around
1629[14:27:15] <MaxFrames> cya thx
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1636[14:29:28] <josvukpi> jelly: no lsb_release
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1638[14:30:48] <jelly> josvukpi: okay. What does "apt-cache policy" say, do you have debian.org sources or raspbian?
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1640[14:32:01] <buckworst> hi, i've just installed debian 10 buster on my laptop with an ssd (samsung 860 evo, if that matters)
1641[14:32:12] <petn-randall> buckworst: congrats!
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1643[14:32:50] <buckworst> i came across this wiki article replaced-url
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1645[14:33:02] <buckworst> thanks petn-randall, haha
1646[14:33:50] <jelly> buckworst: relatime has been default for a while (at least since Debian 9, maybe earlier), no need to set it. You can see active mount options in output of command "mount"
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1655[14:37:51] <buckworst> thanks jelly! other than using relatime mount option (which apparently has been set by default since kernel 2.6.30) and enabling fstrim.timer (which has been enabled out of the box on debian 10), is there anything else you recommend me to do to optimise ssd performance?
1656[14:37:56] <Akuw> how can i configure a local apt sources, i have all packages in my computer
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1658[14:38:30] <jelly> buckworst: that's probably good enough for casual workstation use
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1661[14:38:53] <jelly> I don't even have a timer, just run it manually every couple months
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1663[14:39:58] <buckworst> understood, thanks buddy! much appreciated
1664[14:40:28] <jelly> what I do have is about 10-15% SSD completely unallocated and never used
1665[14:41:30] <buckworst> oh, now that you say it, i probably forgot to leave that space unallocated
1666[14:41:59] <buckworst> during the installation process i simply went with what the guided partition thing decided for my machine
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1669[14:44:58] <buckworst> is it alright though? i'm wondering if it affects anything
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1701[14:56:02] <nvz> the thing I wonder is, how you know if your ssd even knows what to do with that
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1704[14:56:20] <nvz> or if you're just doing it assuming it knows what to do with it
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1736[15:19:02] <mikejw> hi
1737[15:19:34] <mikejw> I'm removing the replaced-url
1738[15:19:49] <mikejw> this means the user has the desired user and group ids
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1740[15:20:00] <mikejw> however crontab and reading mail with mutt stops working
1741[15:20:15] <mikejw> anyone have any ideas what's going on? thanks!
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1745[15:21:07] <themill> I imagine there are several things that don't like the idea of having two users with the same id
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1749[15:22:25] <mikejw> themill is there a better approach?
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1751[15:22:53] <themill> What are you trying to achieve?
1752[15:23:04] <mikejw> replaced-url
1753[15:23:34] <mikejw> because I'm using docker volumes
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1755[15:24:11] <themill> I have no idea what that means other than anything that assumes particular users have a particular userid is pretty broken
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1760[15:26:12] <mikejw> I think I've noticed file permission issues unless the docker user was the same as the host admin user
1761[15:26:29] <mikejw> in terms of ids
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1772[15:30:47] <mikejw> also I don't see there being duplicates relating to ids when catting /etc/passwd (after the operation)
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1784[15:38:39] <ThePendulum> hi
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1790[15:48:14] <petn-randall> mikejw: Your approach is faulty, it's better to fix whatever is broken instead of breaking your system.
1791[15:48:18] <nvz> ThePendulum: not yet, but we're working on it
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1798[15:52:50] <boktan> hi how can i determine sms gateway?
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1801[15:55:36] <jelly> boktan: that is not a standard function in Debian, it will depend on your software and your environment.
1802[15:55:59] <jelly> maybe you wanted to ask in a different channel, this is #debian
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1804[15:56:18] <boktan> with sending sms to email works i think but not have MMS option
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1816[16:04:14] <_xs> Hello, I'm working on a little project called tmlist to parse sparsebundle plist, I'm using CliRunner from click.testing to test my cli utility and I would have some questions
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1825[16:05:39] <_xs> I'm doint sys.exit(2) when the script have to quit, but... the tests are stopping after that
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1827[16:06:27] <_xs> Let me show you my error and my code, the error states "E SystemExit: 2" which is expected
1828[16:06:32] <_xs> replaced-url
1829[16:06:49] <_xs> the full code is here: replaced-url
1830[16:06:53] <jelly> _xs: are you sure #debian is the optimal channel for this, maybe a python channel would be better?
1831[16:06:58] <_xs> ooooh
1832[16:07:04] <_xs> i'm so sorry
1833[16:07:10] <_xs> thanks
1834[16:07:15] <jelly> np, it happens
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1836[16:07:21] <_xs> ;-)
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1838[16:08:24] <ThePendulum> nvz: you are working on greeting me?
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1845[16:09:37] <nvz> ThePendulum: no, thats for social channels.. I was making a joke you didnt get.
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1847[16:11:09] <ThePendulum> correct
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1850[16:15:05] <jelly> it wasn't just him not getting it!
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1852[16:16:07] <ThePendulum> I assume it is either one of them funny cigarette jokes, or there's a debian project named hi-something
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1855[16:16:50] <jelly> !qotd0
1856[16:16:50] <dpkg> * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on
1857[16:17:26] <ThePendulum> anyway, I have a headless NAS running Debian 10 and several times a week it completely freezes up. I have absolutely no clue why and I was hoping for some tips what to look for. I checked syslog and I don't see anything abnormal right before it stops logging, maybe you do replaced-url
1858[16:19:02] <Akuw> i am trying to install one package and got can't read /etc/vsftpd.conf: No such file or directory
1859[16:20:08] <soul-d> 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdh [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 209 to 203
1860[16:20:08] <soul-d> Nov 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdi [SAT], 448 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
1861[16:20:08] <soul-d> Nov 25 20:01:09 floppy smartd[2325]: Device: /dev/sdi [SAT], 448 Offline uncorrectable sectors
1862[16:20:16] <soul-d> something is dieing
1863[16:20:34] <soul-d> your hdd probably acorind to the first smart stuff
1864[16:21:02] <soul-d> i had a hd reach around 500+ uncorrectable sectors before it realy died
1865[16:21:08] <ThePendulum> yeah I've got a dying seagate in there that needs replacing once I have the money. do you reckon that could lock up the lot though?
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1869[16:21:34] <jelly> yes.
1870[16:21:40] <ThePendulum> I figured considering it's managed by zfs and it's aware of the issues it would also kind of prevent it from blowing the whole thing up
1871[16:21:41] <soul-d> yes i blew a ssd earlier this year by blasting data from m.2 device
1872[16:21:46] <ThePendulum> in particular because the OS isn't on there
1873[16:21:48] <jelly> remove it from array and unplug it if you can
1874[16:22:03] <ThePendulum> it's on its own at least
1875[16:22:06] <soul-d> went 2gbs for sec then froze and then ssd died :D
1876[16:22:17] <soul-d> and coulnd even boot
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1878[16:22:30] <jelly> zfs does not deal with drivers being stuck on hardware responses
1879[16:22:32] <ThePendulum> the reason I didn't think much of it is because it reports issues on /dev/sdi throughout the day and just carries on
1880[16:22:36] <SwedeMike> ThePendulum: depending on what kind of drives you have, it can take a long time for the drive to return an error and during that time, reads are not progressing.
1881[16:23:01] <soul-d> i could not boot with the device attacehed indeed do to driver lvl msgs
1882[16:23:03] <ThePendulum> but I guess at some point something else tries to access it and fails, samba perhaps
1883[16:23:17] <soul-d> so not mounting it or stuff doesnt help
1884[16:23:52] <soul-d> best is to just power it off while you get new hd
1885[16:24:15] <SwedeMike> ThePendulum: you should replace sdi asap. That many pending sectors is a sure indication that something is seriously wrong with it.
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1889[16:25:39] <ThePendulum> suppose I could transfer the files to the 6TB WD Red for now
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1891[16:26:20] <soul-d> i hope the smart temperature is not in celcius lol dint even see that but even a value from 0-255 would not make sense :P
1892[16:26:21] <jelly> but they're all pending, rewriting them might still lower the count
1893[16:26:27] <soul-d> Temperature_Celsius changed from 209 to 203
1894[16:26:33] <soul-d> never seen a hd be 200c
1895[16:26:34] <jelly> that's a raw value
1896[16:26:34] <soul-d> lol
1897[16:26:45] <ThePendulum> yeah that is reported as celcsius but that is almost certainly not correct
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1899[16:26:51] <ThePendulum> or I'd have a puddle of hard disk on the floor
1900[16:27:17] <ThePendulum> hottest disk I have in there is 36°C
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1902[16:27:40] <jelly> ThePendulum: there's an alternative smart tool, binary only download but sometimes interprets attributes better.
1903[16:27:48] <jelly> !hdsentinel
1904[16:27:49] <dpkg> A gratis but closed source <SMART> client with slightly more user-friendly output than <smartctl> and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and ARM at replaced-url
1905[16:28:23] <ThePendulum> I generally use hddtemp to get temperatures which works quite well
1906[16:28:23] <SwedeMike> "194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 216 216 000 Old_age Always - 30 (Min/Max 24/41)" this is from a WD drive, so if the raw values are fairly the same then it's not a problem.
1907[16:28:32] <ThePendulum> but for other values that might come in handy too
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1909[16:28:40] <SwedeMike> ThePendulum: can you pastebin the information from smartctl -a /dev/sdi ?
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1916[16:30:08] <ThePendulum> replaced-url
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1919[16:31:55] <ThePendulum> wonder why that raw temperature value shoots off by as much as it does, atm it's looking fine for that disk
1920[16:32:18] <ThePendulum> for /dev/sdc that is, sdi is all kinds of shafted
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1925[16:36:51] <nvz> idk but thats why folk recommend hdsentinel cause smart values are often enough incorrect with smartctl
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1927[16:37:45] <SwedeMike> ThePendulum: I'd ditch that drive asap.
1928[16:38:12] <ThePendulum> unfortunately a replacement is quite costly but I've got a 6TB almost entirely free, this one is 4TB but only 1TB in use
1929[16:38:21] <nvz> free software is often designed to spec and manufacturers don't often do the same.. so either it takes a lot of trial and error or you need someone getting paid to patch over where the manufacturer didn't do things right :P
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1931[16:38:39] <ThePendulum> and I mean, the whole machine has 66TB left... I should be able to get rid of 1TB somewhere lol
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1933[16:39:50] <ThePendulum> wonder if the 6TB WD Elements still contain WD Reds, or if they have the white EMAZ drives now too. that other 6TB WD Red came from a WD Elements
1934[16:40:08] <SwedeMike> ThePendulum: they're typically whitelabel drives nowadays.
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1936[16:40:31] <ThePendulum> I got that Red elements about 1½ years ago I think, probably indeed EMAZ now as well
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1939[16:41:24] <ThePendulum> should be fine putting them in a z2 pool together anyway
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1947[16:46:02] <ThePendulum> alright, back-up in progress
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1951[16:46:42] <ThePendulum> curious if this is actually the problem
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1958[16:48:03] <ThePendulum> think I'll still pick up one of these replaced-url
1959[16:48:38] <ThePendulum> inevitably going to go offline due some random reason at some point, and the NAS is under our main staircase opposite our basement staircase, and I have to let down a drawbridge to get to it haha
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1973[16:59:31] <ThePendulum> "Hold down the Alt and SysRq (Print Screen) keys" - "While holding those down, type the following in order. Nothing will appear to happen until the last letter is pressed: REISUB"
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1975[16:59:40] <ThePendulum> how many hands do they have o_o
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1980[17:03:40] <jelly> ThePendulum: you do the r, e, i, s, u, b in sequence, pressing and depressing each one at a time
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1982[17:03:59] <ThePendulum> yeah I just read a clarification of that. doesn't seem like my keyboard can do that unfortunately
1983[17:04:09] <jelly> !pal ThePendulum
1984[17:04:09] * dpkg points at ThePendulum and laughs
1985[17:04:27] <ThePendulum> I am pleased there is a command for that
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1987[17:05:02] <jelly> you can also echo characters into /proc/sysrq-trigger if you still have a working root shell
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2035[17:45:17] <hanasaki> which kernel parameter in .config compiles in an option to avoid this issue" Spectre V2 : Spectre mitigation: kernel not compiled with retpoline; no mitigation available!"?
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2043[17:51:48] <neredsenvy> How can I search for a package in all my sources listed under /sources.list.d
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2049[17:52:49] <neredsenvy> I know the package is named something like traf(something something)gen1
2050[17:53:46] <mtn> neredsenvy: use your favorite package manager
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2052[17:53:58] <neredsenvy> apt ok but how
2053[17:54:03] <neredsenvy> apt search does not list it
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2055[17:54:31] <mtn> neredsenvy: do a better search? maybe you have the wrong name? etc.
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2058[17:55:10] <mtn> neredsenvy: if you use a gui, try synaptic
2059[17:55:20] <neredsenvy> terminal
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2091[18:19:31] <g0zzy> NetworkManager seems to be easily confused. I installed Buster with Ethernet and no desktop at first. After installing task-mate-desktop i then deleted /etc/network/interfaces (remembering vaguely that NM can butt out if it finds that in use) . After reboot i expected it to invite my wifi connection to be made. Nothing. It seems to know nothing of wifi. How can i make it known?
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2094[18:21:34] <petn-randall> g0zzy: Is it listed when you run 'ip addr' or 'ifconfig'?
2095[18:22:08] <g0zzy> Shall check
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2100[18:25:12] <g0zzy> No! Rtl8821CE is the nic
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2105[18:26:19] <gvth> Hi; can please someone post me command line (with find or something) to show the say 100 largest files on a filesystem or in a directory?
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2111[18:28:59] <g0zzy> Try
2112[18:28:59] <g0zzy> find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -ls | sort -n -k 7 | tail -n 100
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2123[18:31:24] <bluewizard> if it is just a directory and not the whole filesystem, ls has -S to sort by file size (largest first according to the man page)
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2130[18:35:27] <Big_Aziz> hi
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2187[19:14:10] <ZaZaGX> ho ho ho
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2261[19:53:54] <_DeLa_> Zotero from replaced-url
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2265[19:56:55] <jhutchins> ,v zoltero
2266[19:56:56] <judd> No package named 'zoltero' was found in amd64.
2267[19:57:06] <jhutchins> ,v pycharm
2268[19:57:07] <judd> No package named 'pycharm' was found in amd64.
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2270[19:57:51] <g0zzy> petn-randall: Thanks for prompt. Had to get and install the driver
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2272[19:58:14] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: yes, they are not from the official repositories, I know that. But one works in this scenaria and the other doesn't
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2276[20:00:43] <jhutchins> _DeLa_: Not being Debian sofware we don't have any resources to help you troubleshoot, but in the browser's "applications" page you might find how it's supposed to pass the URL you're clicking on.
2277[20:01:31] <jhutchins> _DeLa_: You'd have to seek support directly from whichever project you're having trouble with. It's likely to be a mailing list or an online forum rather than irc.
2278[20:01:39] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: could it be an issue with file permissions?
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2280[20:01:58] <_DeLa_> browser is FF btw
2281[20:02:00] <jhutchins> _DeLa_: Not from what you've said so far.
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2285[20:03:35] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: thanks for your suggestions!
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2289[20:04:45] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: btw the same issue not only happens with Pycharm but also with Rambox (replaced-url
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2291[20:05:10] <pfred1> /opt is empty here
2292[20:05:46] <_DeLa_> pfred1: hm?
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2295[20:06:31] <pfred1> _DeLa_ pfred1@five:/opt$ du -h 4.0K .
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2297[20:07:33] <_DeLa_> pfred1: sorry, me noob, no understand
2298[20:08:12] <pfred1> _DeLa_ that's inode size
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2303[20:10:24] <whislock> pfred1: You seem to be having a different conversation.
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2309[20:10:47] <pfred1> whislock a few
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2313[20:11:31] <whislock> pfred1: Please direct what you say to the right person to avoid confusion.
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2317[20:11:59] <pfred1> whislock I'll see what i can do there tiger
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2319[20:12:03] <_Fremen_> hello everyone
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2332[20:13:35] <whislock> pfred1: Its quite simple. I doubt you have much of an issue if you try.
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2335[20:13:57] <_Fremen_> I have a NAS on my network that I can connect to with windows easily, however, Debian does not see it. I have found many different tutorials online but they advice different things, can you help about which one I should follow or what should I do in general?
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2337[20:14:35] <pfred1> whislock I'm going to have no issue putting you on my iggy list that's for sure kthanksbye
2338[20:15:10] <pfred1> here's to better living through hostmask technology
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2340[20:18:11] <annadane> how can i remove firefox-esr without it installing epiphany? this is a machine set up with the xfce tasksel
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2348[20:21:33] <nvz> annadane: it installs epiphany automatically? doesn't just suggest removing a metapackage?
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2350[20:21:55] <annadane> it removes firefox-esr and installs epiphany and like 15 other packages
2351[20:22:09] <nvz> annadane: my thought is if its not giving you the option of just letting the metapackage pulling it in, be removed.. perhaps use equivs
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2354[20:22:49] <annadane> remind me to never use the installer desktops ever again
2355[20:22:53] <nvz> annadane: if you're not familiar with equivs, its fairly simple you give one command to make a control file, modify it to taste, then another to build a fake package
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2357[20:23:17] <nvz> just make it either provide firefox-esr or replaced-url
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2362[20:25:28] <tekcap> Could someone help me with a new Debian install, please. Fresh install of Debian Buster using KDE Plasma. `lspci -k` gives me 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mobile] (rev a1) - Driver :Nouveau //////// The issue is not being able to connect HDMI to my laptop and have it connect to external monitor
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2367[20:29:39] <section1> tekcap, xrandr show you two screens ?
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2370[20:31:13] <tekcap> @section1 nope, only have 1 option even in xrandr
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2372[20:31:18] <tekcap> arandr*
2373[20:31:28] <nvz> tekcap: I've had machines where they'd work with open drivers and without firmware, but for more advanced stuff like multihead and audio out, they needed firmware or official drivers
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2375[20:32:00] <nvz> tekcap: the Radeon R2E in my HP t520 thin client for example will only do one output with no audio over hdmi without the firmware
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2377[20:32:26] <tekcap> @nvz I'm not sure how to install the official driver, I probably have to remove the "nouveau" one and install the nvidia official one, but I have no idea how to do this
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2381[20:32:59] <nvz> I haven't used nvidia in a long time, but its probably simple as installing nvidia-driver
2382[20:33:13] <nvz> also stop putting @ in front of nicks, thats not a thing on IRC
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2384[20:33:43] <friendofafriend> Hello. I'm running Buster and there's some program I'm using with a dep on libcurl3. When it runs, I see: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by ./program)
2385[20:33:46] <nvz> its a social media convention that means something entirely different here and doesnt cause someone to be highlighted unless they have specific highlighting ruls
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2387[20:33:48] <section1> yeah try that package in non-free repo
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2389[20:34:32] <u_u> Question about debian, I saw that debian is a stable version so if a new version is up, should I reinstall debian or can I upgrade from my actual debian ?
2390[20:35:11] <nvz> friendofafriend: is it a deb package with a dependency line? or just something you compiled or something?
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2392[20:35:23] <section1> u_u, you can update from your actual debian
2393[20:35:44] <sony__> hi all
2394[20:36:33] <section1> u_u, replaced-url
2395[20:36:40] <friendofafriend> nvz: It's some pre-compiled binary thing that included no source.
2396[20:37:02] <annadane> i think i may just reinstall with no desktop and manually add xfce4
2397[20:37:04] <annadane> this was a dumb idea
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2399[20:37:33] <nvz> friendofafriend: ah, well you may not be able to use it then, if they have a strict dependency on that.. which is stupid.. I doubt libcurl3 has anything libcurl4 doesnt.. try just symlinking
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2402[20:38:11] <nvz> friendofafriend: ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.3
2403[20:38:40] <Habbie> symlinking .so versions is terrible advice
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2405[20:38:51] <jhutchins> v libcurl3
2406[20:38:56] <jhutchins> ,v libcurl3
2407[20:38:57] <judd> Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9
2408[20:38:58] <nvz> yeah, well so is using binaries with strict deps
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2410[20:39:02] <Habbie> and putting @ in front of nicks is fine, people were doing that long before social media was a thing
2411[20:39:19] <Habbie> nvz, agreed :)
2412[20:39:28] <nvz> no, its not fine.. it doesn't highlight me, and it indicates a usermode in irc
2413[20:39:39] <jhutchins> annadane: Why?
2414[20:39:57] <jhutchins> Oh, firefox dependency.
2415[20:39:58] <nvz> in social media its a user tag, it causes the person to be alerted.. it doesnt do that on irc, it causes people to think you're stupid and talking to an op
2416[20:40:12] <annadane> the tasksel is also just too much bloat in general
2417[20:40:13] <section1> lol
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2420[20:40:48] <nvz> I'd have to make a special rule with a regex to recognize @nvz and not openvz or other things
2421[20:40:54] <nvz> cause @nvz isnt my nick
2422[20:40:57] <annadane> the only thing about apt install xfce4 i'm not a fan of is it not installing xfce4-terminal by default; i don't like xterm
2423[20:41:03] <sony__> does anyone know with distro you suggest no or less tracking, no surveillance? thanks
2424[20:41:09] <annadane> this one
2425[20:41:10] <friendofafriend> nvz: That didn't do anything. libcurl is there, it seems like there was some security concern which led to libcurl4 not behaving like libcurl3.
2426[20:42:00] <section1> make a debian 7 bootstrap and run the program inside that chroot
2427[20:42:06] <friendofafriend> I see there's lots of people with the same problem, and I don't see any fixes. Is there some way to install it from Stretch?
2428[20:42:07] <nvz> friendofafriend: well then it has a strict dependency on libcurl3 so you will probably have to provide that manually or in a chroot
2429[20:42:08] <sony__> *which
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2434[20:42:38] <friendofafriend> "In a chroot" here meaning...? Have another install of Debian?
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2436[20:43:02] <nvz> friendofafriend: yes, using debootstrap.. you'll need base plus any and all deps of the program
2437[20:43:13] <section1> s/debian 7/debian 9/
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2439[20:43:33] <nvz> friendofafriend: or just manually fetch the libcurl3 from stretch off a mirror and drop the so file somewhere
2440[20:43:37] <friendofafriend> I might as well not even run Buster, then. Is there a build of libcurl3 from another repo I could use?
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2443[20:43:55] <nvz> ,depends libcurl3
2444[20:43:56] <judd> No package named 'libcurl3' was found in buster/amd64.
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2446[20:44:05] <nvz> ,depends --release stretch libcurl3
2447[20:44:06] <judd> No package named '--release' was found in stretch/amd64.
2448[20:44:15] <nvz> blah blah blah
2449[20:44:31] <nvz> afaik its rather light.. ssl, c..
2450[20:44:42] <section1> yeah
2451[20:44:47] <nvz> the thing is your strict dependency probably is on the ssl part
2452[20:44:49] <section1> or grab the src deb and compile
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2454[20:45:10] <nvz> which means libcurl3 compiled against buster ssl isnt gonna work either
2455[20:45:11] <jhutchins> friendofafriend: Did you try the symlink?
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2458[20:45:25] <nvz> which means you'd have to compile openssl too
2459[20:45:31] <section1> oh
2460[20:46:23] <sony__> does anyone know?
2461[20:46:23] <friendofafriend> jhutchins: Yes, but it's not a problem with libcurl not being found, but "version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found" in the library.
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2463[20:46:37] <nvz> ,depends stretch libcurl3
2464[20:46:38] <judd> No package named 'stretch' was found in buster/amd64.
2465[20:46:48] <nvz> ,depends
2466[20:46:49] <judd> (depends <packagename> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and amd64 are used.
2467[20:47:00] <section1> sony__, maybe tails.
2468[20:47:07] <nvz> ,depends libcurl3 --release stretch
2469[20:47:08] <judd> Package libcurl3 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg), libidn2-0 (>= 0.6), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libnghttp2-14 (>= 1.12.0), libpsl5 (>= 0.13.0), librtmp1 (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~), libssh2-1 (>= 1.7.0), libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
2470[20:47:34] <nvz> it has no strict dependencies
2471[20:47:35] <friendofafriend> That's really the pits. It looks like the change to libcurl has broken a lot of software and there's any number of people griping about it.
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2475[20:48:06] <nvz> yeah well people should either update their damn software or ship their libs..
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2478[20:48:45] <nvz> you can use the ssb method to forward port from oldstable
2479[20:49:05] <nvz> but as I said if the strict dependency is due to one of libcurl3's deps.. then you need to pull that too
2480[20:49:11] <friendofafriend> I wish Debian just provided the library even if there's an ideological concern over it. It sure beats breaking stuff.
2481[20:49:24] <nvz> cause libcurl3 will likely happily compile with buster's deps as it has no strict deps..
2482[20:49:26] <friendofafriend> I guess this is related to security somehow.
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2484[20:49:40] <jhutchins> friendofafriend: It's not ideological, it's security related, with live explloits.
2485[20:49:45] <nvz> but if that black box software depends on something specific that libcurl3 is dependant on..
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2489[20:51:27] <friendofafriend> jhutchins: Right, but that's just some maintainer trying to "protect users from themselves" as it were.
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2491[20:51:47] <nvz> you'd have to comment out any and all deb-src lines, and leave just a deb-src for stretch, and a deb line for stretch (for build-deps) apt update, apt build-dep libcurl3, apt -b source libcurl3
2492[20:52:03] <sony__> nvz: thanks for answering, ssb is a bit difficult tu use to me or my wife, don't you know other distro?
2493[20:52:08] <nvz> leaving all your normal buster deb lines of course
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2495[20:52:49] <nvz> sony__: I don't even know what you're talking about.. the conversation we're having here is about some binary friendofafriend has dependant on libcurl3
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2497[20:53:19] <nvz> sony__: we're all ignoring you, cause you come to #debian asking about other distros..
2498[20:53:30] <nvz> thats not something we specialize in here
2499[20:53:46] <friendofafriend> I'm pretty sure this is just #858398? replaced-url
2500[20:53:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2502[20:54:12] <nvz> sony__: debian already takes the kinds of precautions you mention, and we're all happy enough with the precautions debian takes.. or we wouldnt be debian users here supporting debian
2503[20:54:12] <friendofafriend> So could I install libcurl from sid?
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2505[20:54:39] <nvz> libcurl in sid is still gonna be libcurl4
2506[20:54:54] <nvz> libcurl3 was dropped after stretch
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2509[20:55:17] <nvz> you'd have to compile the stretch source if you want libcurl3, or the upstream source
2510[20:56:09] <nvz> though.. with all loose >= deps, as long as all those deps still exist in buster you could probably even just install that package
2511[20:56:16] <friendofafriend> nvz: I don't really understand what the user would have to do to fix it, and if you see a clear path it'd help quite a few people with the issue.
2512[20:56:22] <sony__> nvz: ok,let me clarify, I am asking about debian distro or even other unix/linux distro safest to run internet without tracking nosurveillance
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2514[20:56:44] <nvz> sony__: and we're still not interested.. we understood you the first time
2515[20:56:46] <sony__> hope it's clear
2516[20:57:03] <nvz> sony__: debian maintainers have already taken steps to remove various phone home things from our browsers and such
2517[20:57:20] <nvz> if you wanna talk general linux crap, go to ##linux, this is #debian, we only talk about debian
2518[20:57:44] <nvz> we all recommend debian here.. thats as far as that conversation goes
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2520[20:58:59] <sony__> nvz: ok, thank you, you're very helpfull. I'll see elsewhere where I can find peple who has more time to loose.
2521[20:59:03] <nvz> we don't however take any steps to stop users bad habits online.. which ultimately is the only solution
2522[20:59:37] <nvz> with the most advanced, every smart person on the planet focused effort, you still are totally naked and vulnerable if you do dumb shit
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2524[21:00:08] <nvz> your question on its face is silly.. you're looking for an _installation_ of security.. there is no such thing
2525[21:00:29] <nvz> information/computer security is not an object you put in place.. its an ideal, you practice, audit.. etc
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2529[21:01:27] <g0zzy> Trying to get exim to send me a mail via smarthost on startup. Only problem is that DNS doesn't seem to be 'ready' so the mail gets frozen or stalled.
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2531[21:01:30] <nvz> someone with more time on their hands, more concerned with compromising you than you are with stopping them always wins
2532[21:01:36] <g0zzy> Any ideas?
2533[21:02:36] <nvz> g0zzy: sounds like something maybe #systemd could help with.. as the issue seems to be making sure all the right stuff is up and running before you do it
2534[21:02:59] <nvz> you just need a service that makes sure all that is good to go before attempting to send the email
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2536[21:04:32] <g0zzy> Yes i know what you're saying but that can get unexpectedly complex
2537[21:05:16] <nvz> thats why I suggested #systemd, cause thats where they get into the complex uses :P
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2539[21:06:36] <ws2k3> replaced-url
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2541[21:09:59] <nvz> ws2k3: that'd be more meaningful to someone who could see your block layout.. the raid printout shows sda in there, and the gist of it seems to be complaining about a specific uuid a swap device..
2542[21:10:03] <nvz> lsblk -o NAME,UUID,TYPE,MOUNTPOINT
2543[21:10:16] <nvz> lsblk -o NAME,UUID,TYPE,MOUNTPOINT | nc termbin.com 9999
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2546[21:11:52] <nvz> I'd also look for other messages in the journal related to that device
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2549[21:12:58] <ws2k3> nvz replaced-url
2550[21:13:30] <nvz> that doesn't help much as you didnt list the uuids and the errors are using uuid
2551[21:13:31] <g0zzy> nvz: tbh i did try a systemd service before and it never quite worked. Can't quite remember why not. I'm using gmail as smarthost. I was thinking maybe using the IP address for smtp.googlemail.com but of course that's not good
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2553[21:14:26] <nvz> g0zzy: yeah.. not a good idea at all.. you just need a service to have it wait until everything is up
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2557[21:15:25] <ws2k3> nvz working machine replaced-url
2558[21:15:43] <ws2k3> nvz unfortunaly no internet on the box so i have to do it over screenshots
2559[21:15:56] <nvz> g0zzy: if its too cumbersome of a problem, go back to the beginning and try a different approach.. like using a WOL utility to see if the host is up from another machine or something
2560[21:16:13] <g0zzy> This is the little service i tried before replaced-url
2561[21:16:53] <ws2k3> nvz also on the working box there is sda3 sdb3 and sdc3 into md0 in the broken box only sdb3 and sdc3 so my guess is that i should add sda3 on the broken box
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2564[21:18:51] <nvz> ws2k3: yes, thats sda2 its talking about, and the link down and such is indicating the drive is failing somehow.. possibly a bad cable
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2567[21:19:26] <nvz> could be a power cable or a sata cable most likely
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2569[21:19:35] <fly_agaric> hello guys I have a otrs ticket system installed on debian 10 server and my problem is that otrs fetches mail with the fetchmail binary. fetchmail does not get mail from microsoft exchange 2010 server because of a suspected tls version missmatch.
2570[21:19:36] <ws2k3> nvz also it shows replaced-url
2571[21:20:04] <ws2k3> nvz so i guess i have to check if i can readd it?
2572[21:20:30] <fly_agaric> is there a fetchmail binary for debian which does use tls 1.0 instead of tls 1.2?
2573[21:20:36] <nvz> ws2k3: you need to first check your cables would be my suggestion.. if this is the only problem you have, the cables are the first most likely problem..
2574[21:20:59] <nvz> if you have other issues, it could be a PSU failing, but if not, and the cables are all good.. the drive is dying
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2576[21:21:30] <nvz> I'd swap out the data and power cables with a different disk to be sure.. if that disk starts failing with the cables you swapped instead of sda.. then you know thats the problem
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2578[21:22:20] <nvz> if you swap cables and it all works.. it was just a lose connection :P
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2580[21:22:40] <ws2k3> nvz thats already been fixed
2581[21:22:54] <ws2k3> nvz motherboard was replaced
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2583[21:23:32] <g0zzy> Thanks nvz. Shall do some thinking
2584[21:23:44] <ws2k3> nvz should i just readd the disk then?
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2586[21:24:19] * nvz shrugs
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2589[21:25:30] <nvz> if I'm following the latest developments correctly you're saying the original errors were in fact a bad motherboard (last thing I'd have checked), then yeah, you just need to get that disk back in the array
2590[21:26:07] <nvz> but what you originally asked looked to me like a disk was going offline.. and probably a cabling issue.. if thats been solved, then yeah, just toss it back in the game
2591[21:26:08] <davidl33> I have a system where Thunderbird has stopped working. $HOME is on NFS, server is Debian 8 "Jessie" (can't upgrade further because of an old CPU), affected system was revcently upgraded to Debian 10 "Buster". When I try to start Thunderbird, it displays a message-box "Your Thunderbird profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible",
2592[21:26:08] <davidl33> and prints an error "Error: Access was denied while trying to open files in your profile directory." to the console. I've rebooted both client and server since the issue started; tried starting with "-P" to choose a different profile; and tried moving "~/.thunderbird" or "~/.local/cache/thunderbird" out of the way. None of that helps, still the
2593[21:26:09] <davidl33> same message. Known issue, or any suggestions?
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2604[21:35:36] <nvz> my first suggestion is, its a holiday in the US where its currently mid day.. and you should stick around long enough for people to unbusy themselves and respond :P
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2606[21:40:42] <annadane> oh so that's why greycat isn't here
2607[21:41:35] <teclo-> yeah
2608[21:41:40] <teclo-> it's Thanksgiving up there
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2610[21:42:35] <annadane> "why did you cut the turkey like that?! *plonk*"
2611[21:42:35] <teclo-> they're stuffing themselves with Turkey
2612[21:42:50] <teclo-> annadane: well...
2613[21:43:41] <nvz> idk but I get the feeling someone wasn't totally forthcoming with what they actually did to this machine
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2618[21:46:49] <nvz> all I got was they knocked it off a table, and now it doesnt come on.. I figured maybe they busted the backlight or something.. but first off the hdd is missing, so somoene already took it apart.. and secondly the power light on the mobo comes on, the power button lights up.. I even saw the fan move but there is no voltage getting to the disks.. this isnt something likely to happen due to a fall
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2621[21:50:02] <teclo-> there's that one replaced-url
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2623[21:50:43] <teclo-> you know that chick didn't know Turkey is a country
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2626[21:51:26] <nvz> hmm.. seems to all be working now.. and I have no explaination :P reseating the ram, clearing cmos, etc did nothing.. all I did between it being dead and coming on was check the voltage on the power cord..
2627[21:51:31] <sponix> So, is OpenShot a decent video editor ? I can't get DaVinci Resolve to run for the life of me
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2629[21:52:19] <nvz> I typically use kdenlive but I saw openshot did have a few cool features like native multihead support
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2631[21:53:45] <ThePendulum> I have tried openshot several times and I am baffled to hear anyone suggest it next to kdenlive
2632[21:53:46] <pfred1> sponix which version should i download?
2633[21:54:05] <ThePendulum> kenlive is miles ahead of any of them, at least in usability
2634[21:54:16] <pfred1> sponix plain or studio?
2635[21:54:21] <nvz> yeah that was my assessment.. it kdenlive was simplest to use
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2637[21:55:12] <sponix> pfred1: I was doing the Free plain version.
2638[21:55:14] <pfred1> lordy I'm going for plain I got no idea what they're talking about with these extra features
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2640[21:55:58] <Joit> i boycott anything from kde since some hyperparanoids are there now
2641[21:56:04] <sponix> ThePendulum: I have several say kdelive is the way to go. I hate having the extra kde libs, but whatever :)
2642[21:56:05] <pfred1> wait a minute they need my phone number?
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2644[21:56:34] <ThePendulum> I don't have any strong feelings about KDE one way or the other as long as it's not my DE, maybe I should?
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2646[21:57:10] <sponix> pfred1: lol, either just put in a fake one, or I can mirror the download for you
2647[21:57:30] <sponix> pfred1: will take me less than 2 minutes to copy it over to my web server downloads
2648[21:57:45] <pfred1> sponix OK
2649[21:57:59] <pfred1> sponix I'll see what libs it needs to run or what have you
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2653[21:59:44] <sponix> replaced-url
2654[22:00:22] <sponix> pfred1: ldd /opt/resolve/bin/resolve -- was showing that it had all libs found that it needed last time I checked :)
2655[22:00:45] <sponix> pfred1: I tried it both with the script that makes it into a .deb -- and without
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2657[22:01:01] <pfred1> sponix let me see that's in the zip file
2658[22:01:47] <pfred1> sponix eta 1m 40s
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2661[22:02:09] * nvz shoots sponix
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2663[22:02:23] <sponix> replaced-url
2664[22:02:33] <sponix> pfred1: yeah, my UP speed isn't all that good
2665[22:02:49] <pfred1> sponix it's amlost here half a minute to go
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2667[22:02:53] <nvz> oh, .tk is not Turkey apparently
2668[22:03:17] <ThePendulum> it's some islans isn't it
2669[22:03:21] <sponix> nvz: could be... lol ... I got it for free
2670[22:03:25] <ThePendulum> tokelau
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2672[22:04:02] <nvz> guess I'll have to find dinner elsewhere
2673[22:04:12] <ThePendulum> off the coast of new zealand, everyone had a .tk domain when I got into webdev haha
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2679[22:05:27] <pfred1> sponix let's see if this stuff will let me install in my home directory
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2681[22:05:54] <sponix> pfred1: full Disclosure.. I'm not a n00b, been doing Linux for over 30 Years. And my install is actually MX, not pure Debian. Only under the hood variation I have from Debian right now though is SysVinit vs Systemd
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2683[22:06:17] <sponix> pfred1: No, it will prompt for root pass if you launch as a normal user without sudo vs local in home install
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2685[22:06:40] <pfred1> sponix yeah i got that far with it
2686[22:07:18] <lupine> N00b detected
2687[22:08:20] <nvz> pkexec is probably a more suitable modern means of running GUI apps on a linux desktop than sudo
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2691[22:09:41] <pfred1> sponix it really doesn't give the option to run in place does it?
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2694[22:11:48] <pfred1> oh what the hey I'll install it
2695[22:11:48] <sponix> pfred1: nope
2696[22:12:07] <pfred1> I'm normally against this sort of thing but I've been thinking about upgrading anyways
2697[22:12:14] <sponix> pfred1: yeah, the install process isn't my issue at all
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2700[22:12:26] <B|ack0p> hi
2701[22:12:50] <sponix> pfred1: it is pretty self contained in /opt though -- think it might toss a few libs in /usr/lib64 or such not 100% on that
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2703[22:14:48] <pfred1> sponix I installed it now I'll see what I've got
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2711[22:17:33] <pfred1> sponix I can see this stuff doesn't like to run
2712[22:18:00] <sponix> pfred1: I will be in and out, but always logging :)
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2715[22:18:33] <sponix> pfred1: for sure, let me know or even send me a /msg if you figure something out. I'm pretty stumped, and that doesn't happen often
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2718[22:22:01] <pfred1> sponix from what i can gather on the net we're in large company if not good company this stuff seems to crash for everyone
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2720[22:23:04] <sponix> pfred1: I even went back to my prior version I had working on Mint (Ubuntu 18.04 base) -- same crash routine
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2722[22:23:53] <pfred1> sponix yeah I straced the program and found the crash log so far nothing obvious is jumping out at me
2723[22:24:08] <pfred1> write(2, "OpenCL error -1001: 'Unspecified"..., 146) = 146
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2727[22:25:20] <sponix> pfred1: See that is where the Nvidia 435 was suspect, but I'm now Nvidia 418 stock, with Kernel 4.19 stock also
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2729[22:25:50] <pfred1> sponix yeah I'm on stretch with the nvidia driver so 340?
2730[22:25:51] <sponix> pfred1: but come to think of it... I was on a higher Nvidia version than 435 when I had it going on Mint
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2734[22:27:06] <pfred1> sponix that could be it the readme was bagging about video drivers
2735[22:27:12] <sponix> pfred1: If I _knew_ 100% it was Nvidia related -- Hell, I'd just rip that card out and put my 580 in there
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2739[22:28:36] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I seem to be unable to find an official guide for upgrading from buster to bullseye.
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2742[22:29:18] <pfred1> sponix if I was dying to get this stuff to run that's what I'd pursue
2743[22:29:18] <sponix> pfred1: will Debian take an Ubuntu PPA ? And if it does, will it blow my rig up ?
2744[22:29:53] <pfred1> sponix it is hard for me to say there
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2746[22:29:59] <pfred1> not how I'd go
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2748[22:30:12] <sponix> pfred1: screw it, after we eat in a bit, I'll purge Nvidia and do the AMD Card.. See what that does for me :)
2749[22:30:25] <pfred1> sponix you're probably better off
2750[22:30:50] <pfred1> yeah apt-get purge nvidia*
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2752[22:32:01] <pfred1> sponix may want to save your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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2757[22:34:46] <pfred1> sponix I did manage to get Cinelerra to build and run over here
2758[22:34:47] <sponix> pfred1: ... Dude .. I got it !!!!!
2759[22:35:06] <pfred1> oh yeah? what's the secret?
2760[22:35:07] <sponix> pfred1: needed one extra nvidia package -- you lead me to it with the strace man :)
2761[22:35:15] <pfred1> ah ha
2762[22:35:26] <sponix> pfred1: the ocl on 435 was bunk, but it did take the older one bundled with 418 :)
2763[22:35:43] <pfred1> well congratz
2764[22:36:00] <sponix> I did a synaptic search on "418" and found the nvidia list, saw a main ocl portion wasn't installed
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2768[22:38:28] <pfred1> sponix yeah mine isn't installed either
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2772[22:40:34] <pfred1> sponix ha ha it is running here too!
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2775[22:42:15] <sponix> pfred1: congrats.. I gotta yet do the 16.1.1 installer -- I have 16.04Beta something right now :P
2776[22:42:23] <sponix> but a win is a WIN IMHO
2777[22:42:49] <pfred1> sponix yeah that -1001 error code is no platform found
2778[22:43:26] <pfred1> I installed nvidia-libopencl1 and it runs
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2780[22:44:05] <sponix> pfred1: oddly enough, I don't think that is the same one that made it go for me
2781[22:44:28] <pfred1> they need better dependency listing in their readme
2782[22:44:36] <sponix> pfred1: I'll double check after I get done doing 16.1.1 with dpkg
2783[22:44:57] <sponix> pfred1: well, ldd said it was all good to hook, didn't list anything unresolved
2784[22:45:11] <sponix> pfred1: I should have thought of the stack trace though :)
2785[22:45:32] <pfred1> sponix yeah I didn't see anything bad in ldd either
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2787[22:45:48] <pfred1> the strace lead me to the crash report
2788[22:46:14] <pfred1> but I didn't scroll down far enough on the webpage to see what that code meant
2789[22:46:17] <sponix> well running it in console and what it spit out, had me no where in the right ball park for sure
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2791[22:46:49] <pfred1> yeah strace is cool
2792[22:47:33] <pfred1> I see why they don't let you run in place it is all hard coded lib locations
2793[22:48:40] <nvz> the same reason why there is closed source.. cause its so atrocious they dont want you to see it :P
2794[22:48:55] <pfred1> nvz yeah well...
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2796[22:49:11] <pfred1> open sores can be a can of worms too
2797[22:49:19] <sponix> pfred1: what you installed, I assumed would be a dep of what I installed -- BUT, it wasn't lol --> replaced-url
2798[22:49:23] <sponix> pfred1: That was my fix
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2801[22:50:11] <pfred1> sponix I did an aptitude and it pulled in a bunch of packages
2802[22:50:22] <pfred1> 8 I think?
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2804[22:50:26] <sponix> nvz: I installed kdenlive also -- they can compete for what is best :)
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2807[22:50:57] <pfred1> try Cinelerra if you can get it to build and run
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2809[22:51:28] <nvz> sponix: I'd installed em all at one point.. kdenlive was the simplest to do fancier stuff. there was one I think it was pitivi that was a bit simpler but I found only really suitable for basic stuff
2810[22:51:31] <sponix> a little editing will just be me as a hobby. I'm doing some video guides for the Mint n00bz
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2813[22:52:08] <nvz> sponix: I found vokoscreen and screenkey to be very useful for those kinds of things
2814[22:52:25] <sponix> pfred1 nvz : replaced-url
2815[22:52:36] <nvz> sponix: one of the many software projects I'm procrastinating against is making a better screen recorder
2816[22:52:53] <sponix> nvz: OBS does just fine for me
2817[22:53:15] <nvz> my idea is that you dont want something that just records the framebuffer to video for doing howtos for software
2818[22:53:24] <sponix> pfred1: feel better having it working, took me a whole OS re-install to get back down to Nvidia 418
2819[22:53:39] <pfred1> sponix from my notes it looks like I got the goodguy build of Cinelerra to work
2820[22:53:47] <nvz> you want it to record the events, and other metadata so you can put in a toc index and such
2821[22:54:09] <nvz> more easily edit out nonsense
2822[22:54:59] <ThePendulum> nas crashed again... really hope pulling out that seagate does the trick
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2866[23:42:34] <ThePendulum> thanks for your help. if that disk wasn't the problem I'm sure I'll be back :P
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