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• 46[00:41:32] <gpap> hello everybody i would like to ask here a question about a debian server and partitioning
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• 48[00:41:48] <gpap> is anyone present?
• 49[00:42:41] <nyov> gpap: just ask
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• 51[00:43:43] <gpap> okies i have a debian buster server, works nice no problem at all except that i need to reconfigure my raid 1 partining scheme
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• 54[00:45:29] <gpap> there are many details but to sum up i set removed the second partition from the array booting normally from the first one everything ok, now i wanna add one more partition onto the first disk and then add the second disk on the array all ok but but
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• 59[00:46:46] <gpap> the disk label or the first disk is gpt and when i created the array was with my hosting company tool that added at the end of the first disk an sda4 partition
• 60[00:47:13] <dvs> yay
• 61[00:47:20] <gpap> 2048 sectors labeled im linux file system
• 62[00:47:37] <gpap> so my unallocated space is in the middle
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• 64[00:48:04] <gpap> between my sda3 and sda4 partition
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• 67[00:48:46] <gpap> do i need this partition? is it safe to delete?
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• 69[00:49:27] <gpap> doesn't belong into any raid array and neither reproduced into the second disk, i do not know why
• 70[00:50:21] <nyov> you're talking about a software raid?
• 71[00:50:28] <gpap> yes
• 72[00:50:43] <nyov> but it mirrors by partitions, not full disks?
• 73[00:50:55] <gpap> yes excactly
• 74[00:51:18] <gpap> when i first set up i used only 300 gb from the 2 tb identical disks
• 75[00:51:46] <nyov> what type is that sda4 partition then?
• 76[00:52:03] <nyov> can you mount it, does it have data - or is it swap
• 77[00:52:35] <gpap> it is something that create automatically the partition tool from my server company
• 78[00:53:00] <gpap> fdisk say 2048 sectors at the end of the first disk only
• 79[00:53:09] <gpap> imb linux file system
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• 81[00:53:34] <gpap> something related with gpt maybe?
• 82[00:53:57] <nyov> never heard of that type
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• 84[00:55:04] <nyov> you don't mean IBM by chance?
• 85[00:55:21] <gpap> sorry?
• 86[00:55:33] <nyov> I never heard of "imb". just checking
• 87[00:55:40] <gpap> no have u any tool here i can paste the fdisk
• 88[00:56:08] <nyov> paste.debian.net
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• 91[00:56:45] <gpap> give me a min plz
• 92[00:56:47] <nyov> or pipe it to | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 101[00:58:57] <gpap> replaced-url
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• 104[01:01:25] <nyov> gpap: can you do `file -s /dev/sda4` ?
• 105[01:01:32] <gpap> yes ofc
• 106[01:02:33] <nyov> does it give some sensible info?
• 107[01:03:25] <gpap> replaced-url
• 108[01:03:35] <gpap> something about an iso???????????????????
• 109[01:03:41] <gpap> gosh
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• 111[01:04:21] <nyov> hm
• 112[01:05:24] <gpap> i asked the company but they answered something cryptic like our system doing modifications....
• 113[01:05:45] <gpap> not a clear answer, definitely
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• 115[01:07:06] <nyov> well, I think it can go. make a dd backup, just in case, then trash it. something like 'dd if=/dev/sda4 of=~/sda4_backup conv=notrunc'
• 116[01:07:48] <gpap> i am thinking if they use it for their monitoring tools
• 117[01:07:58] <nyov> you could check it in a hexeditor
• 118[01:08:24] <gpap> how? i am not that experienced
• 119[01:09:19] <format_c> hexdump -C $file or hd $file
• 120[01:09:22] <nyov> once you have the dd dump, `hd sda4_backup | less`, or `strings sda4_backup` maybe
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• 122[01:11:37] <nyov> I would guess, it might be the config for your hosts partition tool. maybe it's not clever enough to read the partitions back in, or it stores some extra partitioning info there
• 123[01:11:50] <gpap> wow excellent tricks!!
• 124[01:11:59] <gpap> say something about openstack
• 125[01:12:09] <gpap> wanna paste it?
• 126[01:13:12] <nyov> ?
• 127[01:13:47] <gpap> well i am reading the hex infos
• 128[01:14:11] <nyov> ah, paste the hexdump? sure
• 129[01:14:51] <gpap> hmm it has many infos networks, uid
• 130[01:15:04] <nyov> ah, better not, then
• 131[01:15:11] <gpap> uuid i meant
• 132[01:16:05] <gpap> i feel dizzy now, what to do
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• 137[01:18:40] <nyov> well, it's gpt. so you're not limited to 4 primary partitions. you could just create another in the middle?
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• 139[01:19:22] <gpap> is it permitted?
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• 141[01:20:30] <gpap> i will go to do full raid 1 i will made array for the boot partition too
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• 172[01:42:43] <cooloutac> hello all
• 173[01:43:10] <cooloutac> can someone tell me how to verify hash file for install cd again? I have it with a .sign file
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• 178[01:44:50] <gpap> nyov:thanks for helping
• 179[01:45:38] <nyov> np
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• 181[01:46:56] <nyov> gpap: did you figure out what to do?
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• 188[01:51:37] <cooloutac> omg i was missing a dash the whole time
• 189[01:52:09] <nyov> here you go: -
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• 201[02:03:22] <gpap> :nyov just for the end of story, i created a new partition with fdisk because parted couldn't manage the situation, then i wrote xfs filesystem on that
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• 204[02:04:44] <gpap> now remaining to make a mount point, i do not need make modifcations into the grub file because will be data partition with maybe symbolic links
• 205[02:06:01] <gpap> so now i have the disk as i want and i am thinking to copy the partition scheme as is into the second and proced with bold into the creating the arrays step
• 206[02:06:05] <gpap> :)
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• 212[02:11:24] <gpap> :nyon oh mistake, tired, i should inform the fstab
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• 220[02:14:13] <nyov> take care if you have suddenly two different partition names. sda5 and sdb4 - could get weird
• 221[02:14:40] <nyov> but now I'm off. good luck though
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• 223[02:15:17] <gpap> ty
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• 364[04:07:07] <jim> hi... how can I find my installed version of kde?
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• 368[04:08:18] <jim> I tried the version of kde-plasma-desktop, and it's 5:102
• 369[04:09:22] <kingsley> jim: $ dpkg -l | egrep -i kde | less
• 370[04:10:18] <jim> kingsley, ok, looking...
• 371[04:11:13] <JackFrost> `inxi -S` ;P
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• 382[04:21:01] <deego> After upgrading to buster, I can no longer run xeyes, etc, after su -. :(
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• 401[04:43:26] <z8z> Hello, i have an intel I219-LM lan card by debian with free drivers won't activate it even if lspci can indentify it
• 402[04:43:31] <z8z> Any idea?
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• 418[05:02:56] <civillian> z8z: that card should be supported with built-in kernel support via e1000. You don't need 'free drivers'
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• 428[05:09:14] <z8z> civillian: So what might be the problem? :|
• 429[05:12:13] <sponix2ipfw> Happy Chiefs Day
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• 431[05:15:54] <deego> In buster, After boot, lsmod lists pcspkr. "beep" is accepted both from root and non-root, however no sound is produced. If I rmmod pcspkr, beep works from root and produces sound. However, when running as user, I get: beep: Error: Could not open any device. User is already in the audio group.
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• 438[05:23:03] <sponix2ipfw> deego: and all this matters because ?
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• 441[05:24:59] <deego> um, because i'm trying to get beep working?
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• 456[05:36:57] <civillian> z8z: did you add any drivers? are you using the latest version of Debian?
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• 569[07:39:53] <z8z> civillian: Thank you for the tip but it's still not working. Not even the leds turn on. The cable works on another laptop
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• 590[07:51:22] <dob1> now if a cron job fails a mail will be sent to root/user account and it's fine but there is someway to make it execute another action too ?
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• 592[07:51:45] <dob1> without modifying the script
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• 594[07:52:01] <nkuttler> dob1: action?
• 595[07:52:15] <dob1> nkuttler, command
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• 597[07:52:57] <nkuttler> dob1: false || command ?
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• 600[07:53:25] <dob1> nkuttler, something at cron level, not at command / command definitation level. like an hook
• 601[07:53:39] <dob1> like "execute this every time a cron job fails"
• 602[07:53:50] <nkuttler> that's crontab level
• 603[07:54:14] <nkuttler> so, for every cron command you could ever insert?
• 604[07:54:37] <dob1> nkuttler, I want to send me a notification not a an email (just for fail jobs)
• 605[07:56:26] <dob1> the problem is not the notification is just setup cron to use it if the job fails
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• 607[07:58:37] <nkuttler> i'd look into forwarding emails to the notification system
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• 610[07:59:42] <dob1> nkuttler, I mean an external notification system, like pushover or pushbullet or whatever
• 611[07:59:49] <nkuttler> yes
• 612[08:00:15] <dob1> (never used it) but you were thinking about procmail?
• 613[08:00:20] <nkuttler> or, you know, not use cron. cron sends emails
• 614[08:00:22] <nkuttler> indeed
• 615[08:00:38] <dob1> can procmail execute something based maybe on the sender?
• 616[08:00:45] <nkuttler> it can
• 617[08:00:46] <jm_> yes and many other things
• 618[08:00:57] <dob1> the sender will be cron but the problem is to identify a fail message
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• 621[08:01:55] <jm_> procmail-lib contatins a lot of useful recipes/examples
• 622[08:02:02] <dob1> I will take a look
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• 625[08:03:23] <nkuttler> dob1: you could also use cronic to make sure you only get error emails, but then you could just write something custom for your use case..
• 626[08:03:54] <nkuttler> another approach would be to use log parsing i guess, it really depends on *what* you want to get notifications for
• 627[08:04:04] <dob1> log parsing is a bit too much
• 628[08:04:13] <dob1> and I would like to do it at user level
• 629[08:04:14] <nkuttler> now you need to parse emails
• 630[08:04:18] * nkuttler shrugs
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• 634[08:07:01] <dob1> nkuttler, chronic as you said only sends message if the job fail and the procmail with a filter on the sender could be a solution
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• 636[08:07:46] <pragomer> I want to search for a word in mutliple html files, where the files are stored in subfolders (so recursivley). Someone here in irc told me a cli tool that worked perfect but I dit forget about its name then :-(
• 637[08:07:51] <pragomer> any ideas again?
• 638[08:08:05] <nkuttler> pragomer: grep
• 639[08:08:08] <jm_> :)
• 640[08:08:09] <dob1> grep -R work ./*
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• 643[08:08:57] <dob1> -r and *word
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• 645[08:09:52] <pragomer> i tried grep.. but did not find the right syntaxt I think. I tried:
• 646[08:10:05] <pragomer> grep -ri "*myword*" .
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• 648[08:11:29] <at0m> no need to *
• 649[08:11:42] <at0m> pragomer: so grep -ri myword
• 650[08:12:15] <at0m> appended by the path ofc
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• 654[08:13:43] <pragomer> yes. without the "" it worked. thank you very much folks :-)
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• 728[09:28:32] <nyov> is there a way that libcurl3 and libcurl4 can be installed in parallel on debian?
• 729[09:29:03] <nyov> some known workaround to the curl conflict?
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• 736[09:36:00] <jelly> ,v libcurl4
• 737[09:36:01] <judd> Package: libcurl4 on amd64 -- buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.67.0-2; sid: 7.67.0-2
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• 742[09:36:10] <jelly> ,v libcurl3
• 743[09:36:12] <judd> Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9
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• 747[09:38:13] <jelly> nyov: no
• 748[09:38:58] <nyov> aww shucks. heh, thanks :)
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• 751[09:39:41] <jelly> read the fine changelog for reasons (scroll down to 7.60.0-2)
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• 755[09:41:33] <nyov> what does that even mean... "this object changes incompatibly"? :D
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• 757[09:42:13] <kallenp> How can I send email witch PDF attachement from Linux command line over external SMTP server using SMTP authentification ?
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• 759[09:42:14] <nyov> oh. oh, now I get iy
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• 761[09:43:03] <jm_> mutt can send from cli and add attachments (it relies on /usr/lib/sendmail for sending)
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• 763[09:44:11] <kallenp> jm_: can I ask you for example ?
• 764[09:44:12] <nyov> I use s-nail for this
• 765[09:45:07] <nyov> which was heirloom-mailx
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• 767[09:46:22] <jm_> kallenp: echo foo | mutt -a file bar@baz
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• 769[09:48:31] <kallenp> jm_: I am need working example with external SMTP auth
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• 773[09:49:48] <jm_> kallenp: I said it relies on /usr/lib/sendmail for sending mail, relevant MTA docs will include that part
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• 780[09:56:58] <nyov> would you like an snail example?
• 781[10:01:51] <nyov> any reason a php5-curl pacakge linking against libcurl.so.4 shouldn't work just fine with 'libcurl4' instead of libcurl3? maybe I can just override the dependency?
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• 789[10:10:54] <jelly> nyov: do you like broken SSL?
• 790[10:11:28] <nyov> heh. stupid legacy php app probably not using it anyway. doh
• 791[10:12:02] <nyov> jelly: well, I hate it more when some legacy crap app blocks me from updating the rest of the system
• 792[10:12:42] <nyov> guess I'll need to dive into some code here. nevermind the question
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• 795[10:15:28] <jelly> sigh. "Security improvements" for scp broke zsh glob syntax
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• 797[10:15:43] <jelly> [10:14] ~ => scp -p kanta.nn:'skype*(.c-2)' . \n protocol error: filename does not match request
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• 801[10:18:23] <jelly> nyov: maybe don't upgrade machines with php5-only apps to OS that does not have php5, just sayin
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• 803[10:19:05] <jelly> (that said, I have php5-fpm and php7.0-fpm running next to each other on stretch just fine)
• 804[10:19:06] <nyov> ok. why not?
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• 819[10:24:57] <nyov> well, you'll have your fun then when you try to co-install php7.3 on that ;) unless you can avoid curl
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• 827[10:29:36] <jelly> nyov: use sury's builds that are actually for stretch, don't mix different releases
• 828[10:30:02] <jelly> dpkg, deb.sury.org
• 829[10:30:02] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
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• 839[10:34:54] <jelly> OMG php7.4 shiny, new
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• 942[12:09:48] <FIlystyn> need a hand
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• 944[12:10:25] <FIlystyn> I have the *smallest debian install ~300 mega on one computer
• 945[12:10:32] <FIlystyn> And there is no ipconfig ifconfig
• 946[12:10:54] <FIlystyn> how the fuck I am supposed to set up net without it
• 947[12:11:04] <FIlystyn> I can't use cable I need to use wifi
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• 949[12:11:23] <Haohmaru> weren't they deprecated or sumfin
• 950[12:11:25] <Haohmaru> or retired
• 951[12:11:31] <Haohmaru> ifconfig and such
• 952[12:11:42] <tarzeau> yea it's ip, got dhclient still?
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• 954[12:11:58] <FIlystyn> I do not know !!!! I use ifconfig on obsd did not know you removed it
• 955[12:12:03] <tarzeau> you can get internet working with ip+route, otherwise just install ifconfig again
• 956[12:12:26] <FIlystyn> *install it* lol ok ill try with ip/route
• 957[12:12:28] <FIlystyn> thank you
• 958[12:12:39] <tarzeau> FIlystyn: with an usb stick from another computer
• 959[12:12:46] <FIlystyn> no
• 960[12:13:11] <FIlystyn> would end up compiling, this is out of question
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• 1021[13:12:14] <cousin_luigi> compiling?
• 1022[13:12:21] <cousin_luigi> Installing debs?
• 1023[13:13:01] <tarzeau> someone has to create the debs right? that involves compiling
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• 1035[13:20:28] <cousin_luigi> tarzeau: What's wrong with downloading and installing existing ones?
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• 1046[13:29:14] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys.i am in the need to reinstall my grub with wefi
• 1047[13:29:17] <InvisibleRasta> uefi
• 1048[13:29:21] <InvisibleRasta> how would i do it?
• 1049[13:29:36] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1052[13:30:50] <petn-randall> InvisibleRasta: Are you running this as root? If yes, did you boot that system with UEFI? Only then are the necessary bits of UEFI available to set it up for booting.
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• 1054[13:31:22] <InvisibleRasta> i am booted into this system from where i have to reinstall grub
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• 1058[13:32:06] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
• 1059[13:32:43] <petn-randall> That unfortunately is not an answer to any of my questions.
• 1060[13:32:44] <jm_> did you boot it in UEFI mode?
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• 1064[13:36:25] <InvisibleRasta> yes
• 1065[13:36:35] <InvisibleRasta> its booted in uefi
• 1066[13:36:42] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1069[13:37:59] <jm_> do you see any files in /sys/firmware/efi ?
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• 1071[13:38:36] <InvisibleRasta> jm_, yes sir
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• 1075[13:41:03] <jm_> InvisibleRasta: are you executing that command in chroot?
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• 1078[13:41:50] <InvisibleRasta> no im booted in the system
• 1079[13:42:08] <InvisibleRasta> i had grub before from an old system. i now removed the old grub to install it freshly
• 1080[13:42:40] <jm_> I don't get it, how did you boot it into uefi mode with old grub?
• 1081[13:42:55] <InvisibleRasta> its the same grub just form another isntall
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• 1083[13:43:07] <jm_> I mean if you already have uefi grub installed then what's the point in reinstalling it?
• 1084[13:43:10] <InvisibleRasta> i want to reinstall grub from this system
• 1085[13:43:16] <InvisibleRasta> i dont have it
• 1086[13:43:19] <InvisibleRasta> i whiped it
• 1087[13:43:21] <InvisibleRasta> to reinstall it
• 1088[13:43:30] <jm_> so how did you boot into uefi mode then?
• 1089[13:43:39] <InvisibleRasta> before removing grub
• 1090[13:43:41] <InvisibleRasta> i booted it
• 1091[13:43:58] * jm_ doesn't understand a thing
• 1092[13:44:47] <InvisibleRasta> ok, i am currently booted in a system that does not have grub installed anymore... i need to reinstall it. and the paste i posted is the error i get when i try to reinstall grub
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• 1096[13:45:51] <InvisibleRasta> when i try to reinstall grub i get the following error replaced-url
• 1097[13:46:04] <InvisibleRasta> its complaining about efivars?
• 1098[13:46:07] <InvisibleRasta> im not sure why
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• 1100[13:47:35] <jelly> InvisibleRasta: is /boot/efi mounted? kernel modules efivarsfs and efivars loaded?
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• 1103[13:48:36] <InvisibleRasta> boot/efi is mounted and modprobe: FATAL: Module efivarsfs not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64
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• 1106[13:49:12] <jelly> sorry, efivarfs with just one s
• 1107[13:49:21] <InvisibleRasta> efivars i just modprobed
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• 1109[13:50:03] <d_l_p> I hate Arch: replaced-url
• 1110[13:50:04] <EasyAsPie_> [ Luke Smith is Wrong about everything - YouTube ] - replaced-url
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• 1132[14:02:27] <petn-randall> d_l_p: Please keep your bot out of this channel.
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• 1136[14:04:56] <d_l_p> !dpkg help
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• 1138[14:05:40] <petn-randall> d_l_p: Did you understand what I wrote?
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• 1142[14:06:06] <d_l_p> Yep.
• 1143[14:06:14] <d_l_p> I was just using the dpkg bot.
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• 1146[14:07:41] <petn-randall> d_l_p: You can query it and ask away with "/msg dpkg".
• 1147[14:07:47] <d_l_p> Ah, thanks.
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• 1149[14:09:19] <jelly> d_l_p: avoid adding bots to channels without asking for permission first
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• 1157[14:12:20] <jelly> no permission!
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• 1250[14:53:45] <mitrax> hello, ipv6 connectivity on my buster install goes away a few minutes after reboot, when that happens ip -6 neigh shows every router entry with a STALE status, any idea what causes that?
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• 1262[15:00:11] <fbaroo> Hi
• 1263[15:00:28] <fbaroo> I have a meta question about the Debian project.
• 1264[15:00:44] <fbaroo> Is there a reason why there's no do-release-upgrade style tool on Debian?
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• 1274[15:06:47] <nvz> sure, cause we have no idea what that is :P
• 1275[15:07:11] <fbaroo> replaced-url
• 1276[15:07:13] <blangblack> [ Ubuntu Manpage: do-release-upgrade - upgrade operating system to latest release ] - manpages.ubuntu.com
• 1277[15:07:30] <joepublic> some of us use apt for that
• 1278[15:08:09] <nvz> @.@
• 1279[15:08:10] <fbaroo> it's not just apt, you have to modify a lot of files
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• 1281[15:08:35] <nvz> !ops blangblack appears to be a bot unauthorized to operate in this channel
• 1282[15:08:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: nvz complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1284[15:08:58] <fbaroo> upgrading from jessie to buster was a pain, for example. whereas ubuntu just has do-release-upgrade script, that uses apt underneath, plus change the source files and other specific workarounds
• 1285[15:09:12] <fbaroo> i wondered if this is a philosopical difference between projects
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• 1288[15:09:33] <joepublic> there is no upgrading from jessie to buster. you upgrade jessie to stretch, then stretch to buster, like the release notes say
• 1289[15:09:46] <nvz> well I am not authorized to speak for the project, but as a user and supported of nearly two decades I am not a fan of this idea having seen it..
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• 1293[15:10:05] <nvz> our process is to read the release notes and carefully plan an upgrade
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• 1295[15:10:26] <nvz> much of what ubuntu does from its frequent releases, its ppa, and this tool, are wreckless
• 1296[15:10:34] <joepublic> the only file you really need to modify is sources.list
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• 1298[15:11:10] <fbaroo> why do users have to carefully plan an upgrade? isn't there a simpler or better option for those who don't need to be so careful?
• 1299[15:11:17] <nvz> if you consult debian's philosophy, at the core of it is stability and freedom.. we focus on a stable system and give you the freedom to use it however you like.. even using crap like that
• 1300[15:11:38] <nvz> fbaroo: apparently there is.. use ubuntu
• 1301[15:11:44] <joepublic> i am not sure "read the release notes" constitutes "carefully plan".
• 1302[15:11:58] <joepublic> that's the lowest basic level of planning
• 1303[15:11:58] <fbaroo> not suggesting to use crap like that, i'm just wondering if there's something better that can be used other than read loads of notes and be out in the cold if anything goes wrong
• 1304[15:12:04] <nvz> reading the release notes and carefully plan are two different sequential steps
• 1305[15:12:17] <joepublic> yeah, makes sense
• 1306[15:12:29] <joepublic> fbaroo, the "debian way" is read the release notes and use apt.
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• 1308[15:12:51] <joepublic> the release notes even have a tl;dr "upgrading" section
• 1309[15:12:59] <JustASlacker> that is also the slackware way O_o
• 1310[15:13:19] <joepublic> yeah, on slackware apt upgrade hasn't shown me much love
• 1311[15:13:30] <JustASlacker> I wonder why
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• 1315[15:13:36] <joepublic> indeed. :)
• 1316[15:13:57] <fbaroo> so, essentally, leave upgrading to experts while other platforms handle it for you
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• 1322[15:14:50] <joepublic> fbaroo, that's a pretty inaccurate twisting of the process. But if you insist on it, and your definition of "experts" is "people who can read and type commands", fair enough, then sure.
• 1323[15:14:51] <JustASlacker> well, can always use windows 10 I guess
• 1324[15:14:57] <JustASlacker> no update problems there
• 1325[15:15:22] <nvz> with my experience I have said it often and I doubt in years to come it will change.. I believe the ONLY difference between distros is its community.. and most meaningful is often that community's priorities.. debians priorities are stability and freedom above all.. if you read over the Why Debian? and SOcial Contract and it leaves you wanting, then look elsewhere
• 1326[15:15:36] <nvz> JustASlacker: ugh.. your sarcasm is noted
• 1327[15:15:46] <JustASlacker> yay \o/
• 1328[15:15:56] <joepublic> nvz, on the contrary, I think fbaroo has a point, a "just do it" upgrade would be bery helpful and effective for less technical people.
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• 1330[15:16:19] <joepublic> like people who can't spell "very" heh
• 1331[15:16:33] <nvz> joepublic: I am not arguing that point, I'm saying it doesnt fall in line with the debian philosophy or goals
• 1332[15:16:55] <joepublic> I would think it could, walking the user through choices that need to be made, advising of listchanges, etc.
• 1333[15:16:56] <petn-randall> d_l_p: Is blangblack your bot?
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• 1338[15:19:57] <fbaroo> the scope of a more streamlined upgrade process does not have to include packages that come outside of debian. i just find it frustrating that i run a pretty vanilla setup and still have to "work" between releases when a questionairre script would suffice. obviously server admins should still be able to everything manually. but having something that is so stable that it can't be stably upgraded without
• 1339[15:20:04] <fbaroo> reading and manual tinkering seems to make me wonder if there's a better way
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• 1342[15:21:26] <fbaroo> don't disagree with your assessment, but it sounds like the debian community is not one that is open to change its own goals
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• 1345[15:22:04] <fbaroo> and what i'm discussing isn't really that fundamental
• 1346[15:22:05] <nvz> fbaroo: one of the many comforts I found in Debian having used redhat, corel, mandrake, slackware, etc.. before.. is that it is WIDHE compliant.. I can install things that may be hazardous without giving thought or configuring them knowing they will not do anything destructive until I've had a chance to look it over..
• 1347[15:22:51] <nvz> fbaroo: ppas for example are horribly wreckless, convenient sure, but they like ubuntus release schedule, and this tool you speak of can cause untold number of issues to arise automatically without warning
• 1348[15:22:52] <fbaroo> that's a fair point. but there is a difference between installing a package and upgrading
• 1349[15:22:55] <joepublic> the Debian community's openness to change notwithstanding, there is a board that decides these things.
• 1350[15:22:55] <fbaroo> in my view
• 1351[15:23:06] <nvz> fbaroo: yes, upgrades are far more dangerous
• 1352[15:23:07] <fbaroo> by upgrading i actually mean switching to new repos from old ones
• 1353[15:23:30] <nvz> fbaroo: debian gives you the freedom to spend a few minutes writing a one-line bash script to automate that much of it
• 1354[15:23:52] <fbaroo> ah, but this is exactly my point. why can't that one line bash script be provided?
• 1355[15:23:56] <fbaroo> rather than everoyne having to make one
• 1356[15:24:24] <fbaroo> since it'll be 90% the same for most upgrades
• 1357[15:24:40] <nvz> fbaroo: because its careless and wreckless and its up to individual administrators to be as wreckless as they like.. it'd be a violation of the Social Contract if Debian project did such things and I for one would be insulted by it
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• 1359[15:25:48] <nvz> I was not trilled by systemd, but it addressed an issue that had plagued all linux systems and I came to understand (though still not much care for) it and I realized that they did nothing that made me choose Debian to begin with.. they did not violate the Social COntract
• 1360[15:25:55] <joepublic> "wreckless" = "not having been in a traffic accident"; maybe "reckless" = "not showing due caution"?
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• 1364[15:27:00] <fbaroo> dnscrypt-proxy comes to mind. i installed it the other day and it rendered my dnsmasq useless because systemd claimed port 53 on reboot
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• 1366[15:27:27] <fbaroo> i respect your opinion and i at least did get the answer i was looking for
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• 1368[15:27:34] <fbaroo> i shall go and read the social contract
• 1369[15:27:52] <petn-randall> fbaroo: Why would systemd claim port 53?
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• 1371[15:28:01] <fbaroo> because of systemd-resolvd
• 1372[15:28:04] <JustASlacker> it claims everything -_-
• 1373[15:28:10] <petn-randall> But it's not enabled by default?
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• 1377[15:28:25] <fbaroo> not enabled by default but when i installed a package it was then activated
• 1378[15:28:44] <fbaroo> despite having my own dns server already
• 1379[15:28:49] <petn-randall> fbaroo: Which one?
• 1380[15:28:56] <fbaroo> dnscrypt-proxy
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• 1389[15:33:04] <oo_miguel> does anything like gitea or gitlab ship with buster?
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• 1394[15:35:37] <nvz> oo_miguel: afaik only client side applications not the server itself
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• 1396[15:35:43] <nyov> there is gitolite
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• 1399[15:36:05] <nvz> ,i gitolite
• 1400[15:36:06] <judd> No package named 'gitolite' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1401[15:36:13] <nyov> ,i gitolite3
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• 1403[15:36:15] <judd> Package gitolite3 (vcs, optional) in buster/amd64: SSH-based gatekeeper for git repositories (version 3). Version: 3.6.11-2; Size: 108.4k; Installed: 414k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1404[15:36:39] <nyov> but it's not gitlab or gitea
• 1405[15:37:01] <nyov> oh, and cgit
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• 1408[15:37:28] <oo_miguel> judd: yeah I know this one and even use it on my other server. I also run gitweb there which gives at least browsing functionality. but wondered If I can get something more github-like easily running
• 1409[15:37:35] <oo_miguel> I know gitolite
• 1410[15:37:41] <oo_miguel> have to take a look at cgit
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• 1412[15:37:45] <nvz> dpkg, judd?
• 1413[15:37:45] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
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• 1454[15:52:53] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys, i just installed nvidia-drivers on my laptop but when i lsmod | grep video it says im using i915
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• 1458[15:53:54] <Haohmaru> that sounds kinda intelish
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• 1460[15:54:09] <JustASlacker> yeah
• 1461[15:54:44] <InvisibleRasta> Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 + nvidia gtx 960m
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• 1464[15:55:21] <JustASlacker> funky laptop
• 1465[15:55:40] <InvisibleRasta> this is my lspci output replaced-url
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• 1467[15:55:51] <tomreyn> so instead of one graphics chipset which is good you have two which are mediocre. :-/
• 1468[15:55:53] <InvisibleRasta> but yeah im not sure on how to configure the graphics
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• 1470[15:56:18] <JustASlacker> is gtx960 so bad?
• 1471[15:57:01] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it's worth the extra power consumption. it's certainly better than the intel gpu
• 1472[15:57:22] * JustASlacker nods
• 1473[15:57:35] <tomreyn> but then that's hard to fall behind ;)
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• 1475[15:57:56] <JustASlacker> I often had trouble with those dual stack laptops
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• 1477[15:58:44] <tomreyn> muxless switching is difficult, and most annoying when you mix open source with proprietary drivers.
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• 1481[15:59:12] <tomreyn> but then the non proprietary drivers for nvidia hardware are bad for lack of manufacturer support
• 1482[16:00:07] <InvisibleRasta> anyone is ableto helpme?
• 1483[16:00:33] <tomreyn> if you want to use both graphics chipsets and switch between them you'll want proprietary nvidia graphics drivers and use their software for switching between the intel and nvidia chipset
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• 1485[16:01:09] <InvisibleRasta> the only reason why i want to use them is because i think graphics drivers is making my system hang when i shutdown
• 1486[16:01:15] <InvisibleRasta> it just hangs in the tty
• 1487[16:01:24] <InvisibleRasta> having to shutdown with physical button
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• 1490[16:01:52] <tomreyn> do you have some logs of this or a screenshot?
• 1491[16:02:02] <InvisibleRasta> no
• 1492[16:02:18] <InvisibleRasta> ill take a pic now
• 1493[16:02:20] <InvisibleRasta> brb
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• 1495[16:02:47] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: if you'll do, maybe boot with some extra kernel parameters so... too late
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• 1502[16:05:47] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, look it hangs right there and i have to phisycally shutdown the pc replaced-url
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• 1508[16:07:16] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, in grub i use this boot parameters: quiet acpi=off modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
• 1509[16:07:50] <nyov> acpi=off IS the reason your pc doesn't auto-shutoff any more
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• 1511[16:08:21] <nyov> why do you use that?
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• 1515[16:08:56] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, but without acpi=off i had all sorts of troubles... for example grub was not workign properly when installing it.. os-prober was hanging
• 1516[16:09:29] <nyov> okay
• 1517[16:10:06] <InvisibleRasta> not sure why
• 1518[16:10:08] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: is your bios the latest available version? if not it makes sense to upgrade that first and see if some issues are gone
• 1519[16:10:24] <InvisibleRasta> ok brb ill check
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• 1522[16:11:04] <nyov> acpi issues are nasty
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• 1529[16:16:57] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, my bios is updated
• 1530[16:17:00] <InvisibleRasta> i jsut checked
• 1531[16:17:12] <InvisibleRasta> im still getting this reboot hangs
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• 1533[16:17:49] <nyov> did you re-enable acpi?
• 1534[16:18:12] <InvisibleRasta> no the boot parameter was removed
• 1535[16:18:27] <InvisibleRasta> acpi=off is removed so yeah i reenabled acpi
• 1536[16:18:29] <InvisibleRasta> sorry xD
• 1537[16:19:05] <nyov> ok, but it won't shut off now?
• 1538[16:19:11] <InvisibleRasta> hmm let me try
• 1539[16:19:13] <InvisibleRasta> brb
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• 1543[16:20:34] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, seems like its rebooting properly now
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• 1547[16:21:39] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: can you show: journalctl -b -kp4 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1548[16:22:06] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1552[16:23:34] <tomreyn> hmm those pci bus rerrors arent good, but i think this is a kernel bug really, or a bios bug newer kernel version scan work around
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• 1554[16:24:32] <tomreyn> dmesg | grep DMI: says what?
• 1555[16:24:43] <InvisibleRasta> nothing
• 1556[16:24:56] <nyov> ,pciid 8086:a110
• 1557[16:24:57] <judd> [8086:a110] is '100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #1' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 1559[16:25:06] <nyov> ugh
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• 1563[16:27:30] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: and what does this say? cat /proc/{version,cmdline}
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• 1565[16:28:18] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1567[16:29:27] <tomreyn> hmm, i'd really expect dmesg | grep DMI: to report something then, can you check for typos?
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• 1570[16:31:08] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, replaced-url
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• 1572[16:32:07] <tomreyn> hmm sorry InvisibleRasta. can we see this instead? sudo dmidecode --type bios 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1574[16:32:44] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1578[16:34:10] <nyov> bah. msi always have buggy crap acpi it seems
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• 1585[16:36:06] <tomreyn> hmm, see if you have another kernel version you can regularly run
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• 1587[16:36:33] <tomreyn> and check whether this helps getting rid of the pcie bus errors, InvisibleRasta
• 1588[16:37:14] <InvisibleRasta> i dont have one
• 1589[16:37:18] <InvisibleRasta> jsut the defaultkernel
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• 1592[16:39:21] <tomreyn> then you'll need to fiddle with pci= kernel parameters
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• 1596[16:40:18] <InvisibleRasta> what are the options i got
• 1597[16:40:53] <tomreyn> this is for ubuntu, but should also apply toi debian replaced-url
• 1598[16:41:52] <tomreyn> i.e. see those man pages and the "pci=" options discussed at "The kernel’s command-line parameters"
• 1599[16:42:00] <tomreyn> maybe also the "acpi=" options
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• 1608[16:44:56] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: also if you can post a full journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 this may help find a more targetted workaround
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• 1612[16:45:19] <rain1> hello
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• 1616[16:50:13] <nyov> sadly the real fix is to bug the vendor for fixed ACPI tables. but good luck for that with MSI
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• 1621[16:53:22] <nyov> \thl
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• 1681[17:17:21] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, i still cant figure out what bootflags i need
• 1682[17:17:57] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: it's easier to talk to you if you don't disconnect all the time ;) you could bring along another irc client if you have a spare computer
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• 1684[17:18:12] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, i wish :(
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• 1686[17:18:17] <tomreyn> or smartphone or something
• 1687[17:18:35] <InvisibleRasta> i have a nokia 3310 and im proud of it lol
• 1688[17:18:43] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: also if you can post a full journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 this may help find a more targetted workaround
• 1689[17:18:48] <tomreyn> <nyov> sadly the real fix is to bug the vendor for fixed ACPI tables. but good luck for that with MSI
• 1690[17:19:21] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, replaced-url
• 1691[17:19:21] <nyov> well. or fix it yourself if you know your hardware
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• 1693[17:19:34] <InvisibleRasta> i been trying
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• 1696[17:20:05] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: sorry, that wasn't supposed to sound snarky. just a continuation of my earlier statement
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• 1699[17:20:49] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, its allright
• 1700[17:20:58] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: you can try either much older or much newer kernels. they usually get acpi subsystem updates which fix new hardware and break older one ;)
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• 1702[17:22:05] <InvisibleRasta> nyov any kernel in particular
• 1703[17:22:24] <InvisibleRasta> im using 4.19.0-6
• 1704[17:22:36] <tomreyn> maybe this is really missing replaced-url
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• 1706[17:23:01] <InvisibleRasta> i have bios updated to latest
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• 1708[17:23:09] <tomreyn> this is about EC, not bios
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• 1711[17:23:38] <nyov> that sounds useful. the acpi error is from the embedded controller. maybe this might fix something
• 1712[17:23:49] <tomreyn> right
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• 1717[17:25:40] <InvisibleRasta> this whatsorry
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• 1725[17:30:51] <InvisibleRasta> i am not understanding you
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• 1727[17:31:02] <InvisibleRasta> if you are talking about the bios firmware updates, i am up to date
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• 1736[17:33:11] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: EC is embedded controller, it's another piece (or pieces) of hardware which takes firmware updates.
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• 1738[17:33:47] <FuzzyByte> s: #debian
• 1739[17:33:56] <FuzzyByte> tes
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• 1741[17:34:20] <tomreyn> FuzzyByte: no cats on the keyboard, please
• 1742[17:34:23] <jelly> FuzzyByte: hi, can we help you?
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• 1744[17:34:34] <InvisibleRasta> hmm i see
• 1745[17:34:42] <InvisibleRasta> but idk what im supposed to even read or do
• 1746[17:34:43] <InvisibleRasta> lol
• 1747[17:34:47] <InvisibleRasta> im totally lost atm
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• 1752[17:36:06] <InvisibleRasta> also my dmsg is full of PCIe bus errors
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• 1754[17:36:14] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: MSI provides both BIOS and EC firmware updates for your system. their english language instructions for updating EC are windows only: replaced-url
• 1755[17:36:52] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: yes, those errors will keep repeating until you fix the problem or work around it.
• 1756[17:37:16] <InvisibleRasta> allright ill boot into windows and see what this ec update is all about
• 1757[17:37:22] <InvisibleRasta> ill be back sometime soon hopefully
• 1758[17:37:42] <tomreyn> oh you have a dual boot system, then it should be easy
• 1759[17:37:48] <InvisibleRasta> yeah
• 1760[17:37:48] <InvisibleRasta> i do
• 1761[17:37:52] <InvisibleRasta> thankfully
• 1762[17:38:08] <InvisibleRasta> i allways keep windows cause i allwas get this kind of problems on my laptop
• 1763[17:38:18] <InvisibleRasta> this laptop is decent but a piece of shit in soem things
• 1764[17:38:29] <InvisibleRasta> not buying msi again
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• 1766[17:38:31] <tomreyn> depending on what you buy it can be easier now
• 1767[17:38:38] <InvisibleRasta> be back in a bit
• 1768[17:38:42] <tomreyn> ok
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• 1779[17:44:44] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, allright i updated the EC firmware
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• 1782[17:45:12] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, dmesg looks a bit more clean
• 1783[17:45:13] <InvisibleRasta> now
• 1784[17:45:21] <InvisibleRasta> i guess it maybe did the trick
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• 1792[17:50:17] <nyov> amazing
• 1793[17:50:27] <InvisibleRasta> want meto post anything?
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• 1797[17:52:03] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: nice, can you show journalctl again?
• 1798[17:52:19] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1799[17:52:55] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1801[17:53:39] <tomreyn> still there: ACPI Error: No handler for Region [EC__] (00000000e07f083e) [EmbeddedControl] (20180810/evregion-132)
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• 1806[17:55:04] <InvisibleRasta> oh
• 1807[17:55:06] <tomreyn> but the recurring error are gone, at least for now
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• 1809[17:55:53] <tomreyn> your mate-panel crashed, but this is a much higher level issue.
• 1810[17:57:04] <InvisibleRasta> yeah
• 1811[17:57:05] <InvisibleRasta> i saw
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• 1814[17:59:04] <tomreyn> you should maybe load "optimized defaults" on your bios config screen if you haven't done so after upgrading the EC firmware, yet
• 1815[17:59:42] <InvisibleRasta> allright
• 1816[17:59:45] <InvisibleRasta> be right back
• 1817[17:59:49] <tomreyn> AKA manufacturer defaults, AKA clear CMOS AKA clear NVRAM
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• 1822[18:01:46] <deego> I run apt-mark hold timidity fluidsynth (in buster), then when I apt-mark showhold, it only shows timidity, not fluidsynth
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• 1824[18:02:10] <deego> (none of them are installed, i'm trying to blacklist them)
• 1825[18:02:30] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, here i am with optimized defaults loaded
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• 1827[18:03:16] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: any pciport errors in dmesg?
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• 1829[18:03:25] <tomreyn> * pcieport
• 1830[18:03:28] <deego> The same happens if i hold them one by one - showhold shows only one of the two
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• 1832[18:03:45] <InvisibleRasta> how i pastebin it?
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• 1834[18:04:06] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: same as the last two times :)
• 1835[18:04:19] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1836[18:04:46] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, replaced-url
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• 1839[18:05:15] <nyov> that looks much better I have to say. no bus errors
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• 1844[18:06:24] <tomreyn> yes, just the EC__ Region handler is missing, but that's probbaly to be expected
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• 1848[18:07:09] <tomreyn> caja segfaults
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• 1850[18:07:51] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: i guess you'll be fine
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• 1853[18:08:32] <InvisibleRasta> allright
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• 1855[18:08:41] <InvisibleRasta> hopefully
• 1856[18:08:51] <Mathisen> any idea when debian pushing out sudo version 1.8.31 ? im reading about the new Priv esq bug
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• 1858[18:10:20] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: install intel microcode updates
• 1859[18:10:24] <Mathisen> nevermind... "While the logic bug is also present in sudo versions 1.8.26 through 1.8.30 it is not exploitable due to a change in EOF handling introduced in sudo 1.8.26,"
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• 1861[18:11:03] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1862[18:11:10] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, thank you done
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• 1864[18:11:40] <debron> hi, just in case someone need to do a solemn march replaced-url
• 1865[18:11:52] <Mathisen> thanks for the link tomreyn
• 1866[18:12:09] <debron> you are welcome Carla Stronghold
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• 1868[18:12:48] <tomreyn> Mathisen: you're welcome. that's usually the fastest way to check whether a given debian release / branch is affected
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• 1871[18:13:18] <tomreyn> (you'll get a page not found if it's not been examined, yet)
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• 1876[18:14:18] <InvisibleRasta> nyov, shall i reboot after the installl of microcode
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• 1878[18:15:01] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: if you want to find out whether you still can boot with it, yes. but before you do, note down this kernel parameter in case you can't boot: dis_ucode_ldr
• 1879[18:15:03] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: no need. thats just for the issues I saw in your dmesg log:
• 1880[18:15:05] <nyov> MDS CPU bug present and SMT on, data leak possible. See replaced-url
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• 1884[18:15:45] <nyov> oh okey, tomreyn knows better
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• 1888[18:16:21] <InvisibleRasta> aight going to reboot
• 1889[18:16:29] <InvisibleRasta> lets see if it broke my life
• 1890[18:16:32] <InvisibleRasta> once again
• 1891[18:16:33] <InvisibleRasta> lol
• 1892[18:16:54] <tomreyn> :)
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• 1894[18:17:46] <tomreyn> you should see an "early microcode update" line on top of your journalctl -b after reboot.
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• 1899[18:18:33] <InvisibleRasta> nice im here xD
• 1900[18:18:35] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> you should see an "early microcode update" line on top of your journalctl -b after reboot.
• 1901[18:18:40] <InvisibleRasta> it still bitches about a handler
• 1902[18:19:13] <nyov> you'll have to live with that. but it shouldn't be problematic
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• 1904[18:19:25] <InvisibleRasta> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1905[18:19:25] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 1908[18:20:36] <tomreyn> microcode: microcode updated early to revision 0xd6, date = 2019-10-03
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• 1910[18:20:59] <tomreyn> that's not the latest but probably the latest (and last one) for your cpu
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• 1914[18:23:14] <InvisibleRasta> cool
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• 1916[18:23:31] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 1917[18:23:55] <annadane> which is packaged in debian
• 1918[18:23:59] <annadane> ,v spectre-meltdown-checker
• 1919[18:24:00] <judd> Package: spectre-meltdown-checker on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 0.42-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.42-1; bullseye: 0.43-2; sid: 0.43-2
• 1920[18:24:02] <tomreyn> in an older version
• 1921[18:24:06] <annadane> fair
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• 1923[18:24:25] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: what do you get for `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/tsx_async_abort` and `cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds` ?
• 1924[18:25:32] <InvisibleRasta> spectre-meltdown-checker | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1925[18:25:32] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
• 1926[18:26:05] <InvisibleRasta> Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable for the first and Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
• 1927[18:26:05] <tomreyn> nope, you cut off a character there
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• 1933[18:29:25] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: looks okay
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• 1935[18:29:51] <tomreyn> does the link work for you then?
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• 1939[18:31:11] <nyov> oh no. I was just talking about the MDS and TAA vulns. not spectre. that link doesn't work for me either
• 1940[18:31:30] <tomreyn> oh ok
• 1941[18:32:02] <tomreyn> i think termbin links are always 4 characters nowadays
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• 1945[18:33:30] <nyov> hard to keep up with all those cpu bugs :D
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• 1948[18:34:24] <nyov> but at least people finally look for them. new and open architectures can't be far now?
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• 1951[18:35:28] <tomreyn> power9 is ready when you're ready to afford it.
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• 1954[18:35:50] <tomreyn> and affected by similar bugs
• 1955[18:36:14] <sponix2ipfw> tomreyn: EPYC does well I hear
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• 1958[18:38:12] <nyov> I was thinking more RISC-V. but I don't really know much about it actually
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• 1965[18:41:33] <nyov> even if we should have unexploitable cpus there at some point, everyone will be using smartphones by then and these are inherently backdoored xD
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• 1992[18:55:57] <tomreyn> sponix2ipfw: not in terms of openness, only partially in terms of cpu bugs (also affected by some spectre variants, but not doing a great job at making ucode upgrades available seperately, and they have other serious problems, see "rdrand"). but i guess all of this is more of a topic for ##hardware really.
• 1993[18:56:09] <south> hello
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• 1995[18:56:20] <south> where can i find help about pentesting
• 1996[18:56:44] <tomreyn> on a channel which has this as a topic
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• 1998[18:57:03] <tomreyn> /msg alis help
• 1999[18:57:11] <south> ok ty
• 2000[18:57:32] <nyov> that's quite a big category
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• 2014[19:04:03] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, nyov replaced-url
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• 2018[19:05:21] <nyov> InvisibleRasta: what, why?
• 2019[19:05:41] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: yes?
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• 2022[19:06:23] <nyov> still looking good, I guess
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• 2024[19:06:58] <tomreyn> "kernel: msr: Direct access to MSR 49" and "kernel: msr: Direct access to MSR 10b" are probably worth looking up
• 2025[19:07:12] <tomreyn> with secure boot disabled, though would have gone through
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• 2027[19:08:35] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: is there anything you meant to tell us other than a URL?
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• 2031[19:08:55] <greycat> !psychic
• 2032[19:08:55] <dpkg> Most of us are not psychic, and require information in a tangible form.
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• 2034[19:09:13] <nyov> we are now subscribed to get daily syslogs ;)
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• 2039[19:13:24] <InvisibleRasta> tomreyn, nyov that is the link that was not working earlier
• 2040[19:13:33] <InvisibleRasta> i tought u might want to check it
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• 2043[19:16:02] <tomreyn> InvisibleRasta: i don't think it is. what i think you meant to post earlier (but instead posted a broken link) was the output of spectre-meltdown-checker
• 2044[19:16:15] <tomreyn> gee, i give up.
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• 2104[19:51:54] <Zathras> /j #raspbian
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• 2117[20:01:06] <nifker> Is debians ffmpeg compiled with support for hw rendering(gpu)?
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• 2127[20:07:04] <rain1> hey
• 2128[20:07:09] <annadane> hi rain
• 2129[20:07:11] <rain1> i got this USB wifi dongle off amazon
• 2130[20:07:14] <rain1> but i cant make it work on debian
• 2131[20:07:23] <rain1> any tips?
• 2132[20:07:31] <annadane> possibly you're missing firmware, what does sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware say?
• 2133[20:07:35] <annadane> !paste
• 2134[20:07:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2135[20:08:29] <rain1> well I tried plugging it in but the output of that command did not change
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• 2137[20:10:00] <annadane> if you just apt search what it tells you it's missing and apt install it and then reboot then it may work
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• 2140[20:10:36] <HurricaneHarry> @rain1 is there a brand/typenumber on the stick ?
• 2141[20:10:40] <rain1> i installed firmware-realtek
• 2142[20:10:55] <rain1> the device has DZ-1607 on it
• 2143[20:11:02] <rain1> replaced-url
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• 2146[20:13:55] <nyov> rain1: something should definitly show up in dmesg when you plug it in, though
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• 2148[20:15:18] <spacebug^> according to the link you pasted there are linux drivers for it at least (theres a link down that page)
• 2149[20:15:46] <zodd> also it should show in lsusb. the ids shown there might help also as the stick might be a rebranded one
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• 2151[20:16:23] <annadane> there are rebranded sticks?
• 2152[20:16:25] <annadane> TIL
• 2153[20:16:35] <spacebug^> it says it's a 'rtl8821AU'
• 2154[20:16:40] <nyov> rain1: 'sudo dmesg -Hw' without the grep, then replug it
• 2155[20:16:54] <rain1> oh I see messages about RTL871X in there
• 2156[20:17:22] <rain1> replaced-url
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• 2160[20:19:54] <nyov> sounds good. now to find the firmware
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• 2162[20:20:50] <nyov> anyone knows it?
• 2163[20:21:12] <greycat> dpkg listkeys 8812
• 2164[20:21:14] <dpkg> Factoid search of '8812' by key (1): rtl8812ae.
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• 2166[20:21:21] <greycat> almost? let's see...
• 2167[20:21:23] <greycat> !rtl8812ae
• 2168[20:21:24] <dpkg> Realtek RTL8812AE-based PCI-E devices wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:8812) are supported by the rtl8821ae Linux kernel driver, introduced at Linux 3.16. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <realtek firmware>.
• 2169[20:21:31] <greycat> !realtek firmware
• 2170[20:21:31] <dpkg> Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide.
• 2171[20:21:44] <greycat> Worth a try.
• 2172[20:22:05] <annadane> OP said they already installed firmware-realtek
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• 2174[20:22:12] <annadane> but it may not be loaded yet?
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• 2176[20:22:26] <dvs> didn't reboot?
• 2177[20:22:28] <nyov> I can't find RTL871X lsited in the realtek package
• 2178[20:22:33] <nyov> *listed
• 2179[20:22:36] <greycat> I also didn't see any firmware lines in their dmesg snippet. They probably didn't include all of it.
• 2180[20:22:47] <nyov> and no pciid
• 2181[20:23:04] <rain1> in apt-search realtek theres a few things: firmware-realtek, r8168-dkms
• 2182[20:23:33] <nyov> rain1: what's your device id? can you paste lsusb output?
• 2183[20:23:44] <rain1> Bus 002 Device 012: ID 192f:0916 Avago Technologies, Pte.
• 2184[20:23:53] <nyov> ,pciid 192f:0916
• 2185[20:23:54] <judd> [192f:0916] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 2186[20:23:57] <nyov> nice
• 2187[20:24:02] <greycat> it's a USB id not a PCI id
• 2188[20:24:49] <nyov> facepalm
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• 2190[20:25:42] <nyov> i need a break. back in a while
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• 2195[20:27:30] <HurricaneHarry> as the realtek-firmware package was already installed i'd say a reboot might help
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• 2200[20:28:58] <empresses> Case insensitive locales aren't a problem to generate on linux? Need it for a database.
• 2201[20:30:02] <greycat> ... what. If you want to implement case-insensitive searching in your DB-based application, you don't do it by generating weird locales on one system.
• 2202[20:30:31] <greycat> You either use the database's extensions for case-insensitive matching, or you store a lowercased version of each searchable field alongside the regular version.
• 2203[20:30:35] <empresses> yeah, maybe not.
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• 2209[20:35:22] <hiya> In Debian Stable, how to make the special keys function without pressing the Fn key?
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• 2212[20:35:46] <hiya> Like Volume up / down, it works on one laptop of mine by default but doesn't on other.
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• 2218[20:39:34] <empresses> before I do what posgrtesql suggest, is there a way to get more recent release of postgresql (and other software in general) on debian?
• 2219[20:39:46] <empresses> 12 have some new killer features, debian ships 11
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• 2223[20:40:52] <tomjaguarpaw> Does anyone have any idea why almost all my logfiles stopped being written to on the same day about 1.5 years ago? (Including messages, syslog, daemon.log, auth.log)
• 2224[20:41:04] <tomjaguarpaw> I don't have any idea about how to track that down.
• 2225[20:41:18] <greycat> usually because you upgraded the system on that day and rsyslog got deleted/stopped
• 2226[20:41:38] <greycat> another possibility being that rsyslogd crashed on that day, and you haven't rebooted, or noticed it until now
• 2227[20:42:22] <nyov> rain1: what did you check to say the dongle doesn't work?
• 2228[20:42:51] <rain1> i just am not able to get wireless with it
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• 2230[20:43:49] <nyov> but how. did you try network-manager, or wicd, or ...?
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• 2234[20:44:37] <rain1> I used the NetworkManager applet in the top right
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• 2236[20:47:07] <tomjaguarpaw> greycat: Thanks. I installed it and it appears to be running.
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• 2247[20:53:35] <nyov> rain1: what do you get for 'lsmod | grep 8812' ?
• 2248[20:55:19] <rain1> replaced-url
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• 2250[20:56:30] <nyov> ,file rtl8812au.ko
• 2251[20:56:35] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 2259[20:59:50] <nyov> my brain ... where did it go?
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• 2264[21:01:09] <nyov> rain1: what is your uname -v
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• 2266[21:01:34] <nyov> where is that driver module from? that can't be baked-in, can it?
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• 2271[21:02:54] <dvs> nyov, replaced-url
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• 2273[21:03:36] <nyov> dvs: yeah, weird. i found two other repos also
• 2274[21:03:46] <nyov> dvs: but why is the module already loaded then?
• 2275[21:04:30] <nyov> I mean, replaced-url
• 2276[21:04:45] <nyov> rain1: did you compile that rtl8812au driver youself?
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• 2297[21:15:29] <rain1> i was trying compiling stuff at one point
• 2298[21:15:33] <rain1> but i think i deleted that bit
• 2299[21:15:38] <rain1> i dont really know where the driver is coming from
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• 2301[21:17:05] <nyov> rain1: anything from this? find /lib/modules/ -type f -name rtl8812au.ko
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• 2373[21:59:00] <Freekid> Is there any service like lets encrypt that takes ip?
• 2374[21:59:29] <greycat> TLS/SSL is based on domain names, not IP addresses.
• 2375[21:59:31] <otyugh> Waaat °o°
• 2376[21:59:42] <Freekid> why not?
• 2377[21:59:59] <Freekid> I have too see that yellow lock everytime?
• 2378[22:00:09] <Freekid> fuck this
• 2379[22:00:24] <Freekid> I want a green lock beside my ip
• 2380[22:00:27] <otyugh> Get a domain, then
• 2381[22:00:28] <Freekid> :(
• 2382[22:00:44] <Freekid> Is it not possible at all?
• 2383[22:01:13] <Freekid> I mean I have some services that is enables only inside lan
• 2384[22:01:27] <Freekid> so cant login with a domain name
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• 2386[22:01:39] <Freekid> Because its not open in the internet
• 2387[22:01:51] <greycat> Sure you can. But there's no real reason to use TLS at all if you're restricting the service to LAN traffic.
• 2388[22:02:08] <Freekid> I just want a green lock thas the reason.
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• 2390[22:02:24] <Freekid> Dont care about all those security stuff
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• 2392[22:02:33] <otyugh> ...
• 2393[22:02:46] <Freekid> my home has chmod 777 -R
• 2394[22:02:52] <otyugh> => Why greenlocks are a sham.
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• 2396[22:02:53] <Freekid> so you knw...
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• 2398[22:03:14] <Freekid> chrome forgets my id pass everytime thats why
• 2399[22:03:30] <Freekid> with a domain and a green lock it does not
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• 2402[22:04:04] <ratrace> Freekid: again, there is no service that will validate an SSL cert for an IP. you need a self-signed cert if openssl will even allow it.
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• 2407[22:04:17] <Freekid> :D
• 2408[22:04:22] <Freekid> o hi there o/
• 2409[22:04:30] <Freekid> :(
• 2410[22:04:34] <jaakkos> Perhaps surprisingly, it is actually possible to get TLS certs with IP address in CN
• 2411[22:04:36] <ratrace> Freekid: but instead of being damn stubborn about somethign you can't have, why not do it the right way and use an actual domain name.
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• 2413[22:04:54] <ratrace> Freekid: if LE can validate it, then SURELY you can stick it into your /etc/hosts and be done with it
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• 2415[22:05:20] <nyov> Freekid: put your custom domain next to the IP into /etc/hosts. done. domain
• 2416[22:05:21] <Freekid> i see hmmm
• 2417[22:05:32] <ratrace> jaakkos: I don't know of openssl will allow it or not but LE definitelly will not, which was the original question here WEEKS ago
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• 2419[22:05:52] <jhutchins_wk> Freekid: I manage all my home sysems by hostname. Just set up an interrnal DNS. These days most routers will do that for you.
• 2420[22:06:07] <Freekid> okay
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• 2422[22:06:28] <ratrace> it's not even needed. just stick the name your LE used for public IP, in your /etc/hosts with your LAN IP. DONE.
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• 2424[22:06:45] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of them won't let you set up a local domain, they'll use "local" or "home", but you can live with that.
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• 2426[22:07:17] <jhutchins_wk> I usually end up registering a domain, and the internal domain is <thatdomain.net>.
• 2427[22:07:19] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: the worst part is they already have a public domain, public IP and a LE certificate, and they wanna access the service via LAN IP instead.
• 2428[22:07:43] <Freekid> :D
• 2429[22:07:50] <Freekid> ^ thats me
• 2430[22:07:51] <nyov> well. makes sense. more trustworthy
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• 2432[22:08:07] <nyov> but split-horizon dns
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• 2434[22:08:16] <jhutchins_wk> Perhaps for certain definitions of trust.
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• 2437[22:09:59] <nyov> can be painful to keep track of what's local and what's public (with split horizon)
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• 2440[22:10:56] <nyov> anyhow, what ratrace said: just plug it into /etc/hosts
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• 2445[22:11:47] <Freekid> etc/hosts of my server? or my pc(windows)?
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• 2448[22:12:18] <nyov> the machines you use to browse the site. your client pc(s)
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• 2451[22:12:57] <Freekid> so windows yeh, was making sure :P
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• 2453[22:13:20] <nyov> c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts
• 2454[22:13:30] <ratrace> open as admin
• 2455[22:14:08] <ratrace> Freekid: and inb4 oyu come back to say "it doesn't work", flush windows DNS cache
• 2456[22:14:25] <Freekid> :D
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• 2459[22:17:27] <tdn> Is firefox-esr considered safe/secure to use on Debian 9.0?
• 2460[22:17:28] <nyov> we should just abandon DNS and go back to host files anyway xD
• 2461[22:17:43] <tdn> Not 9.0, but 9. (an up to date version of debian 9)
• 2462[22:18:10] <jhutchins_wk> nyov: Managed by puppet!
• 2463[22:18:41] <nyov> yay :)
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• 2468[22:20:42] <nyov> I mean HSTS-preloading and HPKP are nothing else than host-file sharing on another level. back to the olden days
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• 2513[22:52:56] <NLewis> strange reformated the usb stick, re-did if/of .iso still just hangs
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• 2516[22:55:34] <nyov> NLewis: they are waiting for you over on OFTC ;)
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• 2520[22:58:47] <NLewis> ah
• 2521[22:59:40] <nyov> is your iso the right architecture?
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• 2523[23:00:05] <nyov> oh wait, it's a bios iso
• 2524[23:00:07] <NLewis> had always thought .iso's were universal
• 2525[23:00:26] <nyov> nvm, I thought you had a debian iso there
• 2526[23:00:35] <NLewis> but vaguely may have read something to that effect in debian.org
• 2527[23:01:54] <nyov> the iso format is universal. software stored on them is not
• 2528[23:04:45] <NLewis> I have a win7 HD somewhere guess i resort to that :)
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• 2541[23:13:03] <zerocool> guys, imagine you have a log line that has many strings deliminated by ',' and you only care about one of the substrings... how would you get that one substring with awk?
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• 2543[23:13:25] <zerocool> and the substring is not always in the same place
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• 2546[23:13:39] <zerocool> there are about 20 strings in random order
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• 2552[23:15:12] <zodd> zerocool, you will need a common identifier
• 2553[23:15:39] <zerocool> i know that i am looking for BAYES_
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• 2558[23:21:14] <zodd> I am by far an awk expert, but something like: awk '/BAYES_/{print $2}' doesn't work?
• 2559[23:23:00] <zerocool> zodd: nah, the problem is it's not in a specific index like $2 can be anything. the match before just processes the line if match so... yeah it'll process the line but the string is indexed randomly
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• 2561[23:24:54] <zodd> isn't the index based on the match?
• 2562[23:25:41] <zerocool> no, the match you have does the entire line
• 2563[23:26:14] <zerocool> i mean if BAYES_ is found in the line it'll split and print index 2
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• 2565[23:26:39] <zerocool> my problem is BAYES can be anywhere
• 2566[23:27:11] <zodd> I understand, but I was hoping to get index 2 after the split
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• 2568[23:28:25] <zerocool> what you are thinking is the solution i am looking for though.
• 2569[23:28:25] <zodd> but, must it be awk? you can use sed or regular expressions as well
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• 2572[23:29:07] <nyov> AWK!
• 2573[23:29:10] <zerocool> i want to isolate the section i am looking for
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• 2577[23:31:49] <ssa> Hi team, how would one go about upgrading systemd on debian9. strelch-backports currently have version 241, and I'm looking to jump on a later version because I'm affected by a bug on kernel 5.2+ (replaced-url
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• 2579[23:32:59] <zodd> zerocool, how about replaced-url
• 2580[23:33:25] <zerocool> zodd: i do have an entire book on awk but it's at home
• 2581[23:33:27] <zerocool> :)
• 2582[23:33:46] <nyov> you're on the internet. who needs a book?
• 2583[23:34:06] <nyov> :p
• 2584[23:34:37] <zerocool> nyov: i use to agree but actually when you want to get really into something books are still the best resource, in some cases like OpenLDAP it's a mix
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• 2586[23:35:09] <zerocool> like you have to read the books and supliment with internet
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• 2588[23:35:25] <zodd> ssa, a) debian9 is old-stable, b) kernel 5.2+ ???
• 2589[23:35:56] <nyov> zerocool: I agree, actually.
• 2590[23:36:10] <ssa> zodd, 5.4.10-x86_64-linode132 :)
• 2591[23:36:11] <zodd> zerocool, I think the example should give you a headstart on a solution
• 2592[23:36:32] <BCMM> ssa: is there a compelling reason that you can't upgrade debian entirely?
• 2593[23:36:33] <zodd> ssa, sounds like begging for trouble
• 2594[23:37:13] <ssa> BCMM, its a larger commitment to upgrade currently (more than 15 servers)...
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• 2596[23:37:41] <zodd> I wonder if that Debian can be upgraded. Probably libc6 is also way beyond buster level
• 2597[23:38:02] <BCMM> ssa: trying to piecemeal install packages from newer debian releases will lead to all kinds of difficulties
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• 2599[23:38:44] <BCMM> if it was just some application, i'd suggest making your own backport, but systemd is kind of a big thing
• 2600[23:39:04] <zodd> that is an understatement
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• 2602[23:39:53] <ssa> I could either choose an older kernel, or disable ipv6 (which appears to be causing the bug with systemd-networkd not being able to bring up a custom device)
• 2603[23:40:13] <ssa> until I'm able to upgrade to debian 10, I suppose
• 2604[23:40:18] <ssa> .
• 2605[23:40:44] <zodd> deb10is on 4.19....
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• 2607[23:41:13] <zodd> frankendeb is on steroids
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• 2609[23:41:57] <zodd> ssa, to be safe, if you can, disable ipv6
• 2610[23:42:06] <ssa> ah ok... apparently Linode folks provide their own kernel. and it choose the latest they've released upon reboot of a server
• 2611[23:42:25] <zodd> to be more in line, use a regular kernel, but that imposes some risks I fear
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• 2613[23:42:47] <BCMM> zodd: i think the linode bit of the kernel means it's some kind of containerised thing where everybody is on the same kernel but can choose which distro to get their userspace from
• 2614[23:42:54] <crestfallen> hi there are numerous google hits on this issue: my cursor gets stuck in grab mode. I have debian 10 and use chromium. any help appreciated
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• 2616[23:43:12] <zodd> BCMM, yes, most likely
• 2617[23:43:15] <ssa> I regret not documenting the reason I had to get to a newer kernel. it was many months ago but wasn't 5.2 back then
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• 2620[23:43:46] <nyov> my calendar says 2020. did I just read "disable ipv6"? :o
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• 2622[23:44:35] <ssa> I am going to purge it. :@ :@
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• 2624[23:46:26] <zodd> usually you can indeed select the kernel within the container/virtualisation. At least true for Digital Ocean and Hetzner
• 2625[23:46:28] <ssa> according to the issue/fix, its incorrectly prioritizing ipv6 args somewhere in networkd.
• 2626[23:46:45] <zodd> probably other VPS hosters as well
• 2627[23:46:59] <ssa> yeah, I can switch to most kernel versions on linode
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• 2631[23:47:44] <ssa> among the servers that aren't experiencing this issue (since they haven't reboot for a while), its 5.1.17-x86_64-linode128
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• 2633[23:47:54] <ssa> been rebooted*
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• 2642[23:51:18] <ratrace> upcoming debian update 10.3 .... systemd: set fs.file-max sysctl to LONG_MAX rather than ULONG_MAX ....... why am I getting goosebumps from reading this......
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• 2645[23:53:51] <zerocool> well i kinda got it... "awk -F',' '$1 ~ /BAYES_[5-9][0-9]+/ { print $1 }'"
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