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15 [00:05:38] <kingsley> Which image browser accepts a list of
file names as parameters on the command line, and renders thumbnails
of them in a shared window?
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17 [00:06:21] <kingsley> (One called "gthumb" gave me
multiple windows, unless I passed it the name of a directory.)
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73 [00:39:55] <rant> kingsley: imagemagick tools can create you
a single image that is tiled thumbnails guess it all depends on more
specifically what you want to do
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80 [00:42:43] <rant> kingsley: geeqie is a very flexible photo
viewer.. I prefer the gqview it was forked from, but that is no
longer in debian. But at any rate both those allow
"collections" by pressing C and you can arbitrarily select
files from different locations and organize them into collections
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82 [00:43:11] <rant> doing something like "geeqie -l
file1.png file2.png" will start geeqie with a collection window
with those two files
83 [00:43:51] <rant> if you want something that you can
manipulate and perform actions on these files, I recommend that..
otherwise I recommend using imagemagick tools or such to just make a
single image of the thumbnails
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113 [00:59:19] <kingsley> rant: Thank you for your detailed
thoughts. Yes, "geeqie -l" worked better.
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121 [01:02:03] <rant> kingsley: I've noticed some memory
leaks particularly in thumbnailing in geeqie in recent times..
I'd keep an eye on it.. I usually just build gqview from
upstream source cause I like it better.. but w/e they are similar
enough and very flexible.. the UI can be divided up a number of
ways, parts split, detached, etc.. it does lots of handy stuff in a
clean and simple way without using a lot of resrouces or
122 [01:02:10] <rant> adding a bunch technical debt
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151 [01:17:47] <neoice> what's the "modern" way of
assigning static IPs in Debian?
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153 [01:18:16] <rant> same as it always was..
154 [01:18:52] <rant> that depends greatly on your setup though..
/etc/network/interfaces is still the end-all way though and most the
higher level methods respect that and leave it alone
155 [01:19:05] <rant> network-manager for example ignores
interfaces configured there
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158 [01:19:39] <rant> there is sytemd-networkd but thats not
enabled by default
159 [01:19:40] <neoice> does this still apply in testing/sid?
160 [01:20:02] <mutante> also "ip replaced ifconfig"
161 [01:20:12] <rant> as far as I know, though I will tell you
that this is not the channel for testing/unstable support
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163 [01:20:30] <rant> well as the default.. I still use ifconfig
cause I'm stubborn
164 [01:20:45] <rant> but you now gotta install those old utils
cause they arent included by default anymore
165 [01:21:18] <mutante> "ip a s" to check the one
configured became muscle memory meanwhile
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167 [01:21:33] <mutante> but dont have to set it often
168 [01:22:07] <rant> yeah well I make my own utils and aliases
or wrappers like that in shorthand. but I found that trying to learn
someone else's shorthand is REALLY ANNOYING :P
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172 [01:23:45] <mutante> heh, yes. so we shoyld all use the
universal shorthands
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174 [01:23:51] <rant> the way those sorts of things work is not
knowing what they are, but why they are.. that is you remember
things using association.. and you can't assocciate the why
someone else chose to make it "ip a s" which means to
remember that crap you gotta make your own association for someone
else's choice in abbreviations
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176 [01:25:41] <mutante> at least "ip all show" and
realizing you can shorten it is a bit closer to natural language
than "ifconfig means interface config" ?:_
177 [01:25:48] <mutante> oh well :)
178 [01:25:58] <mawk> "ip a" is shorter
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180 [01:26:08] <mawk> also alias ip='ip -c' in
~/.bashrc makes very nice colors
181 [01:26:40] <mutante> ah, thanks, i like "ip -c a"
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183 [01:27:34] <mutante> rant: so... alias ifconfig="ip -c
a" :)
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207 [01:44:13] <linuxthefish> hey, does anyone know what package
linux/sched/signal.h is from? I'm trying to compile a wireless
driver but it's complaining about "atal error:
linux/sched/signal.h: No such file or directory"
208 [01:44:17] <linuxthefish>
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209 [01:45:01] <linuxthefish> my googling skills say it's a
missing package or broken debian 9.6 install
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216 [01:48:55] <friendofafriend> linuxthefish: That sounds like
the headers for your kernel.
217 [01:49:27] <linuxthefish> I have headers packages installed,
but there is no signal.h in
/usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-8-common/include/linux/sched :(
218 [01:49:34] <linuxthefish> broken package maybe?
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220 [01:51:00] <friendofafriend> Have you tried installing
linux-headers-4.9.0-8-all? Or maybe linux-headers-4.9.0-8-all-amd64?
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226 [01:53:39] <linuxthefish> friendofafriend still no luck, I
hate wireless
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229 [01:57:29] <linuxthefish> I honestly hope someone murders the
boss of Realtek for putting out new products every month each
needing a new driver
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236 [02:01:26] <rant> linuxthefish: heh.. where did you get the
source code from you're using?
237 [02:02:21] <linuxthefish> rant wooooo I got it working :D :D
:D
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239 [02:02:29] <linuxthefish> I compiled the source of some
ubuntu package
240 [02:02:47] <rant> :-/
241 [02:02:50] <friendofafriend> linuxthefish: What package were
you missing?
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243 [02:03:26] <linuxthefish> it was for the RLT8821CE, I tried
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244 [02:03:53] <rant> <marvin>This will all end in tears, I
just know it.</marvin>
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249 [02:06:17] <rant> linuxthefish: this driver is designed for a
newer kernel than you are trying to build it against
250 [02:06:27] <rant> ,kernels
251 [02:06:29] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1);
stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
252 [02:06:30] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
253 [02:06:50] <rant> linuxthefish: you should be using the
stretch-backports kernel if you want to build that
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255 [02:07:39] <linuxthefish> whoops, thanks rant
256 [02:08:04] <linuxthefish> I normally install unstable as an
every day OS, but the one time I installed stable version I needed
the newer kernel :p
257 [02:09:05] <rant> yeah well the readme.md on that tomasphino
thing pretty clearly says at the top it supports > 4.14
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261 [02:10:04] <linuxthefish> rant I went through a couple with
no readme, I guess I'm tired :(
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264 [02:10:13] <linuxthefish> and following stackexchange answer
265 [02:10:16] <rant> another issue is that devs will often
configure their builds highly specific to their own environment..
266 [02:10:47] <tharkun> Good day. I am still trying to figure
out how a php 7.2 version got into some servers. Since I don't
want to screw the php guys I would like to install it on a new
debian server. I am unable to find it on any repo through judd. Is
it available or am I chasing a ghost?
267 [02:10:57] <rant> which is why I asked where you got the
source so I could look at their makefiles and see if the file wasnt
perhaps included in their source
268 [02:11:27] <rant> ,v php7
269 [02:11:28] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found
in amd64.
270 [02:11:33] <rant> ,v php
271 [02:11:34] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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273 [02:11:57] <tharkun> Ergo I have no clue how it got there.
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276 [02:12:10] <tharkun> .php
277 [02:12:20] <linuxthefish> ,v php7.0
278 [02:12:21] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- stretch:
7.0.30-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.0.33-0+deb9u1;
stretch-security: 7.0.33-0+deb9u1
279 [02:13:01] * rant shrugs
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281 [02:13:21] <tharkun> Sugestions? Should I stick to 7 or jump
right into 7.3. Given my exposed use case which is my best option in
your opinion.
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284 [02:13:43] * tharkun shivers with the emotion of strangling the
person responsable for this mess.
285 [02:13:45] <rant> I usually just do something crazy anytime
someone mentions php.. like scream loudly.. pull out fist fulls of
hair, jump out a window.. etc..
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287 [02:13:58] <rant> beats having to deal with php :P
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289 [02:14:03] <linuxthefish> tharkun stick with stable package,
there isn't that big of a difference unless it's a major
version
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292 [02:14:15] <tharkun> rant: Normal reaction
293 [02:14:44] <tharkun> linuxthefish: I will trust your php
experience and my common sense. thanks for confirming my choice.
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297 [02:16:02] <maxrazer> There should be a debian-sid channel
298 [02:16:09] <tharkun> !sid
299 [02:16:10] <dpkg> i heard sid is the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
300 [02:16:43] <linuxthefish> fixing it when it breaks is part of
the fun :p
301 [02:16:47] <tharkun> bahhhh, I believe your questions are
better answered on debian-dev IIRC
302 [02:17:07] <rant> !unstable
303 [02:17:08] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release
when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the
integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you
have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.
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304 [02:17:22] <rant> !testing
305 [02:17:22] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
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306 [02:18:04] <tharkun> rant: testing is fun to ride unless you
have a ha system that needs to be running 99.9999% of the time.
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309 [02:18:24] <rant> I wouldnt know, I've only ever used
stable and unstable
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311 [02:18:32] <maxrazer> I tried debian buster/installer alpha4
and the mouse moved so slow I couldn't use it.
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313 [02:18:57] <maxrazer> I had the gnome desktop.
314 [02:19:06] <ryouma> i ran testing for wheezy era. it was
about as stable as jessie has been.
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316 [02:19:19] * tharkun writes on his bucket list to install at least
once Debian using the gui installer.
317 [02:19:21] <ryouma> (approx era)
318 [02:19:22] <rant> I'm sorry to hear that.. I wouldnt
wish Gnome 3 on my worst enemy
319 [02:19:24] <linuxthefish> honestly I've barely had any
problems with sid for every day use on my laptop
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321 [02:19:38] <tharkun> rant: What are you using?
322 [02:19:48] <maxrazer> I figured I'd try the official
desktop. I'm not sure why gnome was so slow. It might have been
drivers, not sure.
323 [02:19:55] <rant> currently I'm using xfce with minimal
annoyances
324 [02:20:01] <maxrazer> i7 7700k and GTX 1080ti
325 [02:20:25] <rant> maxrazer: yeah, we have 7 official desktop
environments..
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327 [02:20:28] <tharkun> Same here. I am looking for something
leaner. I have yet to try the tabbed ones. They seem to be quite
nece.
328 [02:20:34] <ryouma> fluxbox is all i need. just wish it were
as popular as the desktop environments so it would be more
supported.
329 [02:20:56] <rant> I used to be happy with sawfish, but its
gotten too dated and I dont feel like fixin it :P
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331 [02:21:07] <maxrazer> I normally don't use any DE, only
window managers, or if I use a DE it is XFCE. I was using DWM for
quite a while.
332 [02:21:15] <ryouma> fluxbox does things that no other wm or
desktop environment does, and those ware what i need.
333 [02:21:20] <ryouma> sawfish was nice yes
334 [02:21:22] <rant> if I didnt need any EWMH or Multihead
functionality... I'd still be using sawfish
335 [02:21:28] <maxrazer> I also just tried the distro called
Siduction.
336 [02:22:06] <maxrazer> And the Arch based distro called
ArchLabs. Neither seemed to be working perfectly.
337 [02:22:10] <tharkun> sawfish, wow years since I last used it.
As for fluxbox I have yet to try it. This particular machine is
quite old so resources are not ver abundant
338 [02:22:20] <maxrazer> I was thinking of openbox.
339 [02:22:23] <rant> what I was thinking of doing was just
finding a wm I can tolerate and writing my own clone of sawfish-ui /
sawfish-config that will work via EWMH on any windowmanager
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341 [02:22:43] <maxrazer> There is IceWM and LXDE.
342 [02:22:50] <rant> cause really its the ease of on the fly
configuration that I loved most about sawfish
343 [02:22:53] <tharkun> Ping me when you have it running and I
will test drive it for you.
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351 [02:27:27] <tharkun> As a small reverse proxy what do you
recommend, I have currently spotted haproxy and nginx
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354 [02:29:41] <tharkun> Also tmux or screen I have both of them
on the wild but some people have complained about both so I am at a
loss here.
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371 [02:41:16] <tharkun> on X I have setxkbmap -option
caps:swapescape located on .xprofile What are my options when having
a headless machine. (Yes, I have to phisically log in more often
than I care to admit.
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393 [02:51:37] <nirakara> my base install was with XFCE. I then
installed KDE later to play. Now when I use XFCE, most of the
startup/tray items do not work
394 [02:51:40] <nirakara> any tips
395 [02:51:42] <nirakara> or pointers
396 [02:51:44] <nirakara> that can help
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403 [02:56:36] <linuxthefish> nirakara install task-xfce-desktop
package again, I had this before when messing around with different
DE's
404 [02:58:55] <nirakara> linuxthefish: thanks!
405 [02:59:01] <rant> nirakara: try creating a different user and
login with that user and see if the new user has the issue..
that'll tell you if its purely user config or not
406 [02:59:22] <nirakara> alright, question: is there a blessed
way to run multiple DE's on debians
407 [02:59:29] <nirakara> and what are the pros and cons on a
laptop in terms of battery life etc
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411 [03:00:44] <rant> there should be little to no difference in
terms of performance but running multiple, I've been using
Debian for 15 years or more and still have found no elegant way of
doing this
412 [03:00:46] <nirakara> linuxthefish: it might interest you to
know that task-xfce-desktop was not installed
413 [03:01:11] <rant> one problem is that each desktop
environment has a lot of the same stuff.. and if you install more
than one you end up with duplicate programs and very cluttered menus
414 [03:01:29] <rant> then there is the problem of them sharing
certain cache and configs..etc
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416 [03:02:04] <rant> I keep a VirtualBox with each DE installed
for testing/reference purposes and only install at most one on my
system to avoid these headaches
417 [03:02:22] <nirakara> rant: i dont mind the clutter and disk
space is (relatively) abundant. yeah but the config/cache clashes,
and general system fragility after installing KDE is a little
frustrating. But I want to support KDE and the idea was KDE when i
have power and XFCE when i need to preserve
418 [03:02:57] <nirakara> it goes down to terminal colours even,
sigh, small subtle breakages everywhere
419 [03:03:05] <nirakara> but <3 debian :)
420 [03:03:24] <rant> well one major issue with something like
KDE would be that their apps tend to have more overhead, load
slower, and does fancy things like compositing that engages the
graphics card in 3d rendering, so that all uses more power in the
long run
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422 [03:04:06] <nirakara> yeah, KDE is my ferrari and xfce my VW
423 [03:04:22] <rant> so ferrari are slow and suck?
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425 [03:04:38] <rant> :D
426 [03:04:38] <nirakara> i wouldn't put it like that
427 [03:04:41] <nirakara> :D
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429 [03:04:56] <nirakara> there was an article i read the other
day i can't find it for you now
430 [03:05:14] <nirakara> author described how his 8 year old is
able to lock up him Win7 machine in 2 mins from starting to use it
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433 [03:05:22] <rant> if it's about KDE I could just go to
sleep now and pretend I read it
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435 [03:05:33] <nirakara> and for the life of him he is unable to
reproduce the bug despite watching him
436 [03:06:20] <nirakara> he goes on to say how we as users are
conditioned to work aroung the bugs of systems -- power users
instinctively "do not run too many programs" or "stop
clicking when machine becomes unresponsive" etc
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440 [03:07:01] <nirakara> he is unable to reproduce the bug his
son had simply because he is conditioned to never do what his son
did
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442 [03:07:45] <rant> yeah.. my father routinely reboots his
machine even after I put Debian Stable on it.. cause he relentlessly
forces the machine into an OOM kinda situation like a jagoff
443 [03:08:02] <ryouma> that's funny
444 [03:08:05] <rant> I put the lil colored graphs on the panel..
told him, when you start seein this color, its BAD
445 [03:08:15] <nirakara> rant: here it is
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446 [03:08:20] <ryouma> i have the ability to produce bugs
447 [03:08:23] <nirakara> "Operant Conditioning by Software
Bugs"
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449 [03:08:58] <nirakara> ryouma: no doubt ;)
450 [03:09:16] <rant> he ran off yet again to deliver something
and his machine has two tabs of gmaps, one of xfinity connect, my
yahoo, etc, etc.. open in firefox.. his ram is compeletely in use
and nobody is even using the machine
451 [03:09:23] <ryouma> even in a 150,000 dollar lisp machine
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454 [03:10:12] <rant> he'll likely wind up rebooting it as
soon as he gets home, tries to do something and runs out of swap,
and the fecal matter begins to impact the air circulation
device's propeller blades
455 [03:10:14] <nirakara> as an aside, has anyone figured out how
to use Pocket with multi-account containers in firefox
456 [03:10:24] <nirakara> rant he must have like 2gb RAM ?
457 [03:10:32] <rant> 4GB ram actually
458 [03:10:47] <nirakara> put 16GB and sleep well
459 [03:10:55] <nirakara> C-t to his heart's content
460 [03:10:56] <rant> 4GB is the max for that machine
461 [03:11:10] <rant> I've considered trying out zram or
something
462 [03:11:43] <nirakara> one day our network will ~= PCI bus
speed and we will have swap in the cloud
463 [03:11:51] <rant> cause only time his CPU is taxed is with IO
waits due to swapping.. its more ram he needs.. I think the CPU can
cover the overhead of compressing the ram
464 [03:11:54] <nirakara> "unfreeze your machine for
$5/mo"
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466 [03:12:07] <nirakara> rant: an SSD might be a good option
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468 [03:12:21] <ryouma> firefox takes tons of memory. perhaps he
uses tabs like i do.
469 [03:12:28] <rant> yeah well those are still quite expensive
470 [03:12:31] <ryouma> i also use 4gb and have to reboot firefox
471 [03:12:48] <rant> he waits until he has to reboot the whole
computer..
472 [03:13:06] <ryouma> does he use gkrellm?
473 [03:13:30] <ryouma> i find that pretty reliable
474 [03:13:35] <rant> told him its real f'n obvious.. this
graph is gonna fill all green first, then this one will start
showing purple behind the blue indicating IO wait from it copying
ram to HDD, then this graph will fill with purple indicating the
swap being used.. once this fills all the way up you're screwed
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477 [03:13:46] <nirakara> i find it hard to believe that anyone
can work without an SSD in this day and age. I certainly can never
go back
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479 [03:13:59] <rant> if you just close shit when the green fills
all the way up, you dont have this problem
480 [03:14:01] <nirakara> yeah rant that sounds super simple when
you're waiting for an email from aunt jane
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482 [03:14:27] <nirakara> and woe unto him if he installs another
DE and the colours get messed up
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484 [03:14:28] <nirakara> :D
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486 [03:14:33] <rant> yeah the SSD is nice.. I got 4GB ram and a
256GB SSD in this laptop and its rather smooth
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488 [03:17:24] <nirakara> what lappie are you running?
489 [03:18:02] <rant> Lenovo x240
490 [03:18:51] <rant> love it except the clickpad which is trash
and I'd love to meet the SOB who engineered this thing and
shove it right up their....
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493 [03:19:26] <nirakara> left usb port? ;)
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495 [03:19:37] <nirakara> that's a nice machine, what's
the max ram in it
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498 [03:19:56] <rant> no idea..
499 [03:20:06] <nirakara> i have an XPS and the RAM in this thing
is unupgradeable, although the trackpad and display are sweet as
nothing else
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503 [03:20:41] <rant> I have the i5-4300U w/ 4GB ram, 256GB SSD,
fingerprint reader.. thats all I know
504 [03:20:42] <nirakara> this business of not allowing machines
to be upgradeable needs to stop. i knew it when i got it but the
thought was "ain't nobody gonna need more than 8gb"
505 [03:21:02] <nirakara> KDE and firefox beg to differ
506 [03:21:03] <rant> if I get into upgrades the f'n
clickpad is the first thing to go, then maybe new and larger
batteries
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508 [03:21:34] <rant> nirakara: might I also suggest
#debian-offtopic
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513 [03:22:17] <rant> personally I'd like to have more
actual debian users there.. makes me barf in my mouth a little how
many people hang out there anymore and dont use debian :P
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515 [03:23:02] <nirakara> what are they using then?
516 [03:23:07] <nirakara> *gasp* ubuntu? ;)
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519 [03:24:13] <nirakara> i guess we aren't supposed to have
these kinds of conversations here huh? most of my time in this
channel is a long list of join and leave messages
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537 [03:41:17] <tharkun> Is there a way to figure out the memory
chip from within debian. My little machine is running on a very low
volume of memory for todays standars.
538 [03:42:05] <themill> !what's my ram
539 [03:42:05] <dpkg> [myram] install and run «dmidecode -t
memory» as root to see RAM information. For more detailed
information, install the i2c-tools package, modprobe eeprom, and run
decode-dimms. Try «lshal | grep smbios» to obtain
mainboard and BIOS information.
540 [03:42:30] <themill> one of them is often enough
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542 [03:42:42] <themill> that or grab a screwdriver
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544 [03:44:58] <rant> you could also try this I wrote several
weeks ago curious about my memory map..
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545 [03:45:22] <rant> simple python script.. nothing fancy,
outputs the ram map in human redable form.. must be root to access
data
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570 [03:57:45] <tharkun> themill: The screwdriver seems not such
a bad option ;P
571 [03:58:30] <tharkun> rant: I am low on memory so getting the
right chip to buy some aditional ram is what I think I need.
572 [03:59:34] <rant> tharkun: yeah well nothing on the
software/userland side can tell you that.. you need to lookup the
specific hardware specs from the mfg to be certain of that
573 [04:00:15] <rant> tharkun: my father for example has a Dell
Opti 780 and even the official spec document from that MFG shows 4
different form factor machines each with different ram specs.. his
is the most compact of them all and supports less ram than the
others of the same model
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575 [04:00:46] <rant> the OS has absolutely no way of knowing
what is the maximum overall ram size and max per-slot size of the
hardware
576 [04:01:06] <tharkun> rant: mine is a Dell Precision M2400
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579 [04:03:16] <rant> tharkun: Dell Precision M2400 says it
supports two 4GB DDR2 800MHZ modules, 8GB total
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581 [04:03:28] <rant> tharkun: source
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583 [04:04:06] <tharkun> rant: Have I told you lately that I love
you???
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588 [04:05:31] * rant fights the urge to burst into an Ariana Grande
performance impression
589 [04:06:18] <rant> (mostly cause I can't decide between
Love Me Harder and Dangerous Woman :)
590 [04:06:24] <ryouma> dell optiplex 755 supports what?
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592 [04:06:48] <rant> I'd guess something between and
elephant and a rhino
593 [04:07:01] <rant> i.e. Elephino
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609 [04:20:06] <agio> hi, I am trying to write a udev rule which
runs a command whenever I plug in a USB mouse, it just fails with no
explanation. anyone know how to debug udev?
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611 [04:21:37] <ryouma> good question. i am trying to figure out
why a parition is being automounted.
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613 [04:21:59] <agio> maybe systemd is doing that
614 [04:22:14] <ryouma> so some different thing then?
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617 [04:23:47] <agio> Im not sure
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619 [04:26:04] <agio> is it possible to kill and restart udevd ?
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630 [04:39:45] <tomreyn> whats the state of live kernel patching
in debian these days? i assume it's onot availabkle since
it's a major effort?
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660 [05:12:16] <linuxthefish> hey, why is debian messing with me
and randomly rotating my screen after I move my laptop?
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664 [05:14:03] <rwp> linuxthefish, What?!
665 [05:14:43] <Callixo> so you mean your accelerometer is
messing with you
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667 [05:15:24] <Callixo> linuxthefish: what DE are you using?
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673 [05:24:01] <linuxthefish> Callixo ah apparently my laptop has
one! how can I read the output from it? apparently it's
"/devices/platform/lis3lv02d/input/input7" but I
can't cat it or anything
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675 [05:26:23] <Callixo> not sure how to get output but depending
on DE you can disable it from changing orientation
676 [05:26:48] <Callixo> with gnome for instance "gsettings
set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.orientation active false"
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678 [05:27:59] <oscarcito> tsunami now 10/01/2019 in live:
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679 [05:28:01] <linuxthefish> thanks Callixo, perfect!
680 [05:28:11] <Callixo> NP :)
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682 [05:28:54] <linuxthefish> it would be cool if a game used it
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687 [05:32:08] <linuxthefish> now I just need to figure out why
only headphones work and not speaker, even though alsamixer levels
are good
688 [05:32:19] <dvs> muted?
689 [05:32:31] <linuxthefish> nope not muted I checked that
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838 [07:31:18] <Lenovoi5> Hello hello.
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841 [07:31:56] <Lenovoi5> I need help recovering some data from a
ssd before installing a linux i am with a knoppix any idea about how
to access the disk and back and that all the data?
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844 [07:33:35] <towo^work> mount it, copy the data
845 [07:33:41] <towo^work> where is the problem?
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847 [07:34:23] <Lenovoi5> I am new, would be a partition clone
better?
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852 [07:36:02] <darxmurf> if the disk is in a good shape, just
plus it in a machine, mount it, copy the files you want somewhere
else and that's it
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854 [07:36:46] <Lenovoi5> Copying the data only is ok and what
folder of knoppix would be ok?
855 [07:36:46] <Lenovoi5> Oke.
856 [07:36:46] <Lenovoi5> I will do that.
857 [07:36:56] <Lenovoi5> I will create a folder in my booting
usb and copy all the files there and that.
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860 [07:37:27] <kdeuser^> Hey, I have an Debian running on my old
Latitude E6400. The processor randomly trottles to 800 Mhz and drive
indicator is also flickering for several mins before the cpu goes
back 1.6 Ghz and the upto 2.1Ghz. Any way to check why this happens?
861 [07:38:35] <diogenes_> Lenovoi5, u copy data to external
drive
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875 [07:48:13] <DeepSheep> kdeuser^: going over the logfiles?
p.e. with dmesg in a terminal
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877 [07:49:53] <kdeuser^> DeepSheep: Installing lm-sensors to
watch temp now.. Anything I can grep the output for?
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879 [07:50:04] <DeepSheep> what cpu governor do you have, anyway?
it could be normal that cpufreq varies
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882 [07:51:05] <DeepSheep> you could look for filesystem checks,
what else could be the mins of flicker
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885 [07:53:11] <DeepSheep> if you can, you could open a tty login
during boot and do top, to see which processes are consuming time
886 [07:53:17] <kdeuser^> DeepSheep: I did grep for sda, no
information about error check. Also, it has not happened so far
since I have logged in now.
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888 [07:56:00] <DeepSheep> maybe it was just a filesystem check,
gets scheduled every maybe 20 boots, and when it happens, it could
mean some flickering here and there, a lot of reads from a slow
drive maybe, so the processor has to wait for drive and is clocked
down?
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890 [07:56:27] <DeepSheep> or, after unclean shutdown, that would
fit even better
891 [07:56:44] <DeepSheep> but I'm gyessing, and on my way
to bed
892 [07:56:49] <DeepSheep> guessing
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896 [07:57:12] <kdeuser^> Thanks Deepsheep. I will wait for it to
happen and then try to look through dmesg again.
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898 [07:58:45] <DeepSheep> yeah, usualky no need to grep, you can
find the moment when boot starts, from there to end it's often
not so much and can be read like that
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902 [07:59:46] <DeepSheep> you can press ESC during boot, it
often has the effect to switch the boot splash for a log of the
boot/init process
903 [08:00:00] <diogenes_> kdeuser^, check ls /etc/xdg/autostart
for tracker* things, also hight cpu and hdd activity could be
triggered by tumblerd
904 [08:00:01] <kdeuser^> Ok thanks. I dont believe it could be
an unclean shutdown as there was no check when I booted and also it
happens every day and it happens a couple of times during the day to
be a bit annoying.
905 [08:00:27] <DeepSheep> oh cool, gnite
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908 [08:02:08] <kdeuser^> diogenes_: I have gnome-keyring-*,
light-locker, pulseaudio, gsettings-data-convert and
polkit-tde-authentication-agent.
909 [08:03:55] <diogenes_> and: ls ~/.config/autostart
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918 [08:07:32] <kdeuser^> diogenes_: no autotart files
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920 [08:10:03] <diogenes_> then it could be the apps you use or
some web sites some javascript code
921 [08:10:24] <kdeuser^> diogenes_: ok.
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923 [08:10:52] <kdeuser^> diogenes_: I will try to note down
patterns when this happens
924 [08:11:06] <kdeuser^> Thanks diogenes_
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1044 [09:37:48] <nirakara> say I'm writing a small python
script in ~/bin that makes network calls. say I'd want to cache
the result of those calls so next time i execute it's faster.
what's the standard place to store this kind of data?
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1047 [09:40:28] <oskie> is there any tool to troubleshoot iptables
rules? to get more information about which rule is blocking some
type of traffic (assuming you know
SRCIF,SRCPROTO,SRCIP,SRCPORT,DSTIF,DSTIP,DSTPORT)
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1072 [09:49:37] <Fox> oskie: iptables -L -nvx ?
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1120 [10:17:06] <earthnative> nirakara: for stuff of your own like
that there isn't really a standard. I have a ~/var/cache for
that kind of things myself
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1249 [11:22:15] <colonolGron> i think maybe here i can get some
help..
1250 [11:22:15] <colonolGron> I don't quite get what
rl_add_funmap_entry() is doing because I dont understand readline
enough I think. Looking at:
replaced-url
1251 [11:22:19] <colonolGron> I added 'Control-u:
prof_win_clear' to my ~/.inputrc because profanity has this
here:
replaced-url
1252 [11:22:23] <colonolGron> so that if i define in my ~/.inputrc
'Control-u: prof_win_clear' (from the example code above)
then control + u should run that function
1253 [11:22:26] <colonolGron> but nothing happens, i wonder
whether i understood it wrong?
1254 [11:22:28] <colonolGron> any readline understanders here? :-)
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1267 [11:28:10] <chomwitt> in stable , in default apache2 and
php-mod7 installation , apache2 will serve php files but not html
file with php in it. I noticed that cgi mods are not enabled. Could
that be the reason ?
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1285 [11:34:52] <r3m1> hello
1286 [11:35:49] <r3m1> how can I download .deb package for armhf
and Debian 7 ?
1287 [11:36:12] <r3m1> running apt-get from the computer itself
excluded
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1289 [11:36:56] <rwp> Find the package on the web site and
download it manually. For example:
replaced-url
1290 [11:39:34] <petn-randall> r3m1: Why don't you want to
apt?
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1296 [11:41:10] <rwp> "apt-get download pkgname" is very
convenient.
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1299 [11:42:34] <nirakara> so it `apt-get source <pkg>`
which bapa was glad to point out to me
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1302 [11:43:41] <petn-randall> nirakara: That downloads the
source, not the binary .deb.
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1305 [11:45:07] <nirakara> oh right, missed the context there
sorry. you can build from that source if you'd like though!
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1311 [11:48:00] <rwp> One can also just go find the package from
the dists and then download it from the pool too.
replaced-url
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1353 [12:08:36] <[E]sc> the packagekitd keeps having a memory and
cpu leak. any one find a fix for it?
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1368 [12:19:30] <simonpp> colonolGron: I do not really know much
about it, but I see this in the profanity file: // check for and
load ~/.config/profanity/inputrc
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1386 [12:29:23] <colonolGron> simonpp: thanks a lot! this helped
:) so my understanding of the function was right i just didnt know
that its a special inputrc and not the global one, and that this
depends on how the program uses to do it. thanks!
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1393 [12:34:55] <yuradoc> Hello. Have a problem with configuring
iptables redirects. I want try to use mitmproxy man-in-the-middle
proxy for traffic analizing purpose. I do settings described here:
replaced-url
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1396 [12:36:15] <yuradoc> I use Kali Linux which is Debian based I
VirtualBox, which run on Kubuntu 18.10. Networking work through NAT
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1399 [12:37:40] <yuradoc> *I VirtualBox - I mean it run through
VirtualBox
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1425 [12:50:47] <blackflow> !kali | yuradoc
1426 [12:50:55] <blackflow> !kali
1427 [12:50:56] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1442 [13:00:18] <ayekat> !kali > yuradoc
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1444 [13:00:36] <ayekat> hmm… nope, doesn't work
either :-(
1445 [13:01:06] <blackflow> oh I think that make the bot message
them?
1446 [13:01:10] <blackflow> *makes
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1448 [13:01:24] <blackflow> !kali > blackflow
1449 [13:01:37] <blackflow> huh nope.
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1451 [13:02:49] <ayekat> !kali | ayekat
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1454 [13:03:25] <ayekat> hmm, neither does this…
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1456 [13:04:11] <Johann> tell ayekat about kali
1457 [13:04:19] <Johann> dpkg: tell ayekat about kali
1458 [13:04:21] <Johann> it's something like that
1459 [13:04:29] <blackflow> !tell blackflow about kali
1460 [13:04:35] <blackflow> that's it
1461 [13:04:46] <ayekat> Johann: ah, that works ^^
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1481 [13:12:13] <petn-randall> If you do `!tell blackflow -about
kali`, you won't get spammed about the complete message
yourself, but blackflow will still get the full factoid.
1482 [13:12:22] <petn-randall> (note the minus before about)
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1491 [13:17:33] <blackflow> good bot! :)
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1507 [13:26:51] <jelly> tmiland: find /lib/modules -name
'nvidia*.ko' -ls
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1510 [13:27:13] <jelly> cursed Tab key
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1512 [13:28:03] <petn-randall> dpkg: botsnack
1513 [13:28:03] <dpkg> petn-randall: thanks
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1577 [14:12:23] <FinalX> 2x CVE for memory corruption and 1x CVE
for information leak + out-of-bounds read for systemd.. excellent
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1579 [14:15:08] <petn-randall> FinalX: Yes, stable is still
affected.
1580 [14:15:18] <FinalX> as are buster and sid
1581 [14:15:24] <FinalX> only 1 of 3 is fixed in buster/sid
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1583 [14:15:44] <petn-randall> FinalX: CVE-2018-16866 is fixed
there, which is required to exploit it.
1584 [14:16:01] <FinalX> ah, didn't know CVE-2018-16866 was
required to make CVE-2018-16864 and CVE-2018-16865 work
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1589 [14:17:22] <petn-randall> You need all three to exploit it
the way in the full disclosure. AFAIK the information leak is needed
to effectively exploit it. Without it's a simple DoS.
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1691 [15:18:24] <anikras> hi, do you know any script in bash
mounting filesystem with ssh tunnel ?
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1693 [15:18:52] <greycat> Sounds like you should be looking at
sshfs instead.
1694 [15:19:03] <bechampion> anikras: sshfs fuse
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1696 [15:19:09] <bechampion> what greycat said
1697 [15:19:47] <anikras> ok
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1830 [16:20:14] <Bjornn> is there a short answer why my hosts
entries are being ignored? as to blocking certain sites, It
initially worked but now doesn't a couple days after adding
sites to it.
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1832 [16:21:17] <greycat> You mean the /etc/hosts file? Ignored by
what? Not every program uses the standard nsswitch.conf
configuration to decide how to look up names. Some of them use DNS
explicitly and exclusively.
1833 [16:22:17] <greycat> You used the word "sites", so
perhaps you mean a web browser? I don't know of any web
browsers that bypass nsswitch.conf but it would be helpful to know
which one....
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1836 [16:24:02] <Bjornn> yes, to block certain sites. google
searches instruct to make entries to hosts file.
1837 [16:24:09] <Bjornn> initially it blocked these sites.
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1840 [16:24:28] <Bjornn> now a few days later I double check,
it's not blocked
1841 [16:24:34] <Bjornn> but the hosts file is the same
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1844 [16:25:08] <petn-randall> Bjornn: Which client are you using?
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1846 [16:25:25] <Bjornn> I use opera and vivaldi
1847 [16:25:32] <Bjornn> results seem the same with each
1848 [16:25:38] <Bjornn> I could try chrome I guess.
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1851 [16:25:50] <jelly> Bjornn: your browsers may be ignoring your
hosts file and doing their host lookups in a different way
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1853 [16:26:14] <jelly> did they update recently
1854 [16:26:20] <greycat> Or you might have added
"foo.com" to /etc/hosts but then you are using the URL
"replaced-url
1855 [16:26:21] <petn-randall> Bjornn: Can you paste the contents
of /etc/hosts to
replaced-url
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1857 [16:26:40] <Bjornn> google chrome does seem to be using the
host file.
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1859 [16:26:44] <greycat> Details matter. What browser, what does
the URL bar say, and what is the line in /etc/hosts that you think
applise.
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1861 [16:26:49] <petn-randall> Bjornn: Also, if you're trying
to block ads, there are better ways to do this.
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1863 [16:28:34] <Bjornn> should I be editing nsswitch.conf in some
way?
1864 [16:28:42] <greycat> Usually not.
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1870 [16:30:58] <Bjornn> is there a tool I need to run to block
websites from all browsers?
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1875 [16:32:00] <greycat> If THAT is the goal, then you want to
look at firewall stuff.
1876 [16:32:43] <tarzeau> Bjornn: add the hostname to /etc/hosts
with 127.0.0.1
1877 [16:32:44] <Bjornn> yeah, I have teenage boys here. I need to
be sure I'm blocking some sites from all the browsers
1878 [16:32:56] <tarzeau> Bjornn: hope they will not use ip
address
1879 [16:33:02] <cryptodan> Bjornn: that is a battle hard faught
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1881 [16:33:11] <tarzeau> oh greycat was faster
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1883 [16:33:17] <petn-randall> Or just put the website in google
translate and click on the cache link.
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1885 [16:33:39] <cryptodan> your boys may know more about
computers then you do Bjornn
1886 [16:33:49] <greycat> Or tunnel the web requests through a
VPS>
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1889 [16:34:22] <beardy> They might have "phones" too.
1890 [16:34:25] <cryptodan> and to many entries in the hosts file
can slow down your computer
1891 [16:34:41] <tarzeau> cryptodan: did you ever experience that?
1892 [16:34:45] <beardy> I'd suggest talking to them instead.
1893 [16:34:45] <cryptodan> yes
1894 [16:35:02] <tarzeau> cryptodan: that was how many entries?
64k?
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1898 [16:36:11] <cryptodan> tarzeau: i forgot but it was massive
it included this
replaced-url
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1900 [16:37:19] <Bjornn> I have ufw installed I believe, maybe I
can figure out something there
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1977 [17:18:47] <Bjornn> ok. working on all but the vpn
connection. I guess that would be another matter. lol
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2039 [17:52:41] <wadadli> I just need `psql` cli tool
2040 [17:52:41] <wadadli> which pkg contains this on stretc?
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2044 [17:54:29] <xand> postgresql-client-common ?
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2051 [17:58:49] <_ymir> What's my best option to run up to
date software on a debian 9 vps? e.g. looking to run ZNC, but the
install page notes that the deb version is very old
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2053 [17:59:04] <greycat> download the upstream version
2054 [17:59:09] <petn-randall> ,v znc
2055 [17:59:10] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2;
jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
1.6.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
1.7.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.7.1-2+b3; sid: 1.7.1-2+b3
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2057 [17:59:15] <greycat> or that.
2058 [17:59:25] <_ymir> greycat: upstream?
2059 [17:59:29] <greycat> !upstream
2060 [17:59:29] <dpkg> rumour has it, upstream is where Debian
developers download software from.
replaced-url
2061 [17:59:42] <_ymir> thank you! :)
2062 [17:59:45] <petn-randall> _ymir: the package from
stretch-backports looks pretty up to date.
2063 [17:59:47] <petn-randall> !sns
2064 [17:59:48] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2065 [17:59:49] <_ymir> That page is a 404 btw
2066 [18:00:10] <_ymir> !ssb
2067 [18:00:10] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2071 [18:01:16] <petn-randall> _ymir: You don't need !ssb, as
the version in stretch-backports is already as new as buster/sid.
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2073 [18:01:32] <_ymir> Ah ys
2074 [18:01:34] <_ymir> yes*
2075 [18:01:35] <_ymir> Thank you!
2076 [18:01:41] <greycat> dpkg, upstream =~ s,replaced-url
2077 [18:01:42] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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2088 [18:05:27] <_ymir> channel limit?
2089 [18:06:08] <petn-randall> _ymir: You need to add more words
to make it an actual question.
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2091 [18:06:29] <_ymir> petn-randall: Sorry, what is the channel
limit that debhelper just set? Just curious
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2094 [18:07:20] <avu> _ymir: it's how many clients are
allowed to be in the channel
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2096 [18:07:39] <avu> _ymir: debhelper keeps adjusting it as a
join flood protection measure probably
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2100 [18:08:45] <_ymir> Ahh, thank you avu
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2111 [18:11:18] <magyar> hi guys, I've installed testing and
I'm unable to set any other resolution besides 1280x800 on an
intel built in video
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2113 [18:11:29] <greycat> load the firmware pacakge
2114 [18:11:52] <magyar> greycat: I think I did from the non-free
repo
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2116 [18:12:29] <greycat> firmware-misc-nonfree in stretch; if
it's something else in testing, ask the testing support channel
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2133 [18:27:00] <magyar> greycat: I have that bundle installed
2134 [18:27:01] <jhutchins_wk> magyar: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
and dmesg | less
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2137 [18:29:03] <magyar> jhutchins_wk: no errors in Xorg.0.log,
the only error in the dmesg is "[drm] failed to retrieve link
info, disabling eDP"
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2145 [18:32:20] <magyar>
replaced-url
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2184 [18:47:16] <jhutchins_wk> !debian-next
2185 [18:47:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2209 [18:56:58] <chomwitt> is mod-cgi needed in apache? i mean in
a default installation in debian stable mod-php-7 seems enough for
php files to be served.
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2217 [18:59:15] <PaddyF> chomwitt: depends what a
"default" is for you :)
2218 [18:59:45] <chomwitt> i mean i just installed the relative
packages with apt-get
2219 [18:59:45] <PaddyF> apache is not installed by default and
mod-cgi is not installed when you install apache
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2222 [19:00:13] <jhutchins_wk> chomwitt: It's been a while
since I messed with it, but I believe mod-cgi might offer some finer
control of what code is executable. Most likely mod-php has taken
over that roll for php.
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2225 [19:01:05] <chomwitt> jhutchins_wk: thats an explanation i
guess
2226 [19:01:13] <chomwitt> thanks
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2230 [19:01:51] <rwp> AFAIK it is non-PHP things that use mod-cgi.
If you are only doing PHP then I don't think you need mod-cgi
active.
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2232 [19:02:23] <rwp> Installing apache provides a web server and
that by default includes the ability to process cgi-bin things too.
2233 [19:02:44] <jmcnaught> CGI is an old and kind of slow way for
the web server to run scripts, but it's very compatible
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2236 [19:03:25] <jmcnaught> i think the best way to run PHP is
with php-fpm instead of mod_php, but both work
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2238 [19:03:53] <petn-randall> php_fpm is the most performant one,
as you don't have to spawn a new PHP process on every request.
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2241 [19:04:05] <petn-randall> mod_php is nice for testing,
though.
2242 [19:04:09] <rwp> For example 'mailgraph' needs
cgi-bin processing. It "Recommends: httpd | apache2, ..."
Where httpd convers nginx and the others IIRC.
2243 [19:04:52] <rwp> My personal choice is the nginx+php-fpm
combination.
2244 [19:05:14] <PaddyF> fpm meaning something with fast page?
2245 [19:05:40] <jmcnaught> FastCGI Process Manager
2246 [19:05:47] <PaddyF> thanks
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2252 [19:07:52] * chomwitt found and reads 'Does PHP need mod
cgi?' in reddit thread
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2258 [19:09:35] <jhutchins_wk> chomwitt: Well?
2259 [19:10:18] <chomwitt> jhutchins_wk: ..still reading , there
are discussions in many sites , php as apache-module or php as cgi
module
2260 [19:10:25] <chomwitt> pros and cons
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2262 [19:10:47] <petn-randall> Is the thread from this decade_
2263 [19:10:48] <petn-randall> ?
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2266 [19:13:15] <joepublic> Perceptive question. When I got hired
for the first time as a PHP coder, for example, it was at the time
called PHP/FI.
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2268 [19:14:09] <chomwitt> FI?
2269 [19:14:28] <joepublic> "Forms interpreter" I think
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2271 [19:14:58] <SwedeMike>
replaced-url
2272 [19:15:47] <chomwitt> well maybe is settled long time ago ,,
in favor of php as module inside apache for better performance and
maybe security
2273 [19:15:56] <joepublic> I believe the intervening decades have
determined conventional wisdom that php can be a cgi environment for
apache if your legacy software or unusual situation requires it,
otherwise php is an apache module.
2274 [19:15:58] <greycat> *snort*
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2276 [19:16:57] <joepublic> I don't think "better
performance and security" are said about php by anyone with a
straight face, but the performance can indeed be worse using php
files each as individual cgi scripts.
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2282 [19:17:27] <joepublic> each launching their own copy of the
entire php interpreter and associated environment, etc.
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2284 [19:18:09] <joepublic> php's niche is that it is
indisputably handy, not that it is especially performant nor secure.
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2287 [19:20:52] <SerajewelKS> PHP inside of apache is actually a
terrible idea. php-fpm is a better solution.
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2289 [19:21:10] <karlpinc> +1
2290 [19:21:21] <greycat> PHP's integration with apache was
how it became so popular, I think
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2292 [19:22:22] <SerajewelKS> PHP in apache is good for
performance and terrible for everything else (security, stability,
scalability, flexibility...)
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2294 [19:22:46] <SerajewelKS> and it's only good for
performance in comparison to traditional CGI, not php-fpm
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2297 [19:23:26] <chomwitt> what does php-fpm does differently?
2298 [19:23:27] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: I was just going to say,
using php-fpm should not introduce a performance penalty.
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2302 [19:23:58] <karlpinc> chomwitt: Runs php as it's own
process. So any brokenness is sandboxed.
2303 [19:24:01] <SerajewelKS> php-fpm is a long-running daemon
that apache can proxy to over the fastcgi protocol
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2305 [19:24:10] <greycat> php-fpm runs as a standalone service,
and responds to requests from the web server to run a PHP program
and convey the output back to the web server
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2307 [19:24:16] <SerajewelKS> this means, for example, you can run
multiple php-fpm "pools" as different users
2308 [19:24:24] <SerajewelKS> pools can have differing number of
workers
2309 [19:24:37] <SerajewelKS> there's no longer a 1-to-1
correspondence between "apache worker" and "php
worker"
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2311 [19:25:06] <joepublic> Of course, looking at php-fpm.org, one
might note that the last post was eight years ago. Maybe the
intervening security work has been done in secret.
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2313 [19:25:07] <SerajewelKS> you could even chroot the fpm daemon
if you wanted
2314 [19:25:13] <karlpinc> And it works just as well with nginx,
which is a lot easier to work with than apache.
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2316 [19:25:42] <SerajewelKS> and that ^
2317 [19:25:47] * greycat is, in fact, doing that with nginx
2318 [19:26:00] <greycat> not the chrooting part, though
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2320 [19:26:29] <jmcnaught> or if you do use apache you're
not limited to mpm-prefork as you are with mod_php
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2322 [19:26:48] <SerajewelKS> one of my projects last year was to
put nginx in front of apache for our servers. fpm is not an option
for us, and neither is switching away from apache.
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2325 [19:26:58] <SerajewelKS> but apache can only support so many
workers with PHP, because PHP is not multi-threaded
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2328 [19:27:09] <SerajewelKS> so nginx gets to serve the static
stuff, and proxies to apache for PHP
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2331 [19:27:52] * karlpinc is wondering if #debian-offtopic is called
for
2332 [19:28:08] <SerajewelKS> our database servers are debian, so
there's that :)
2333 [19:28:09] <chomwitt> so in case of php-fpm fastcgi-mod is
needed?
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2335 [19:28:47] <SerajewelKS> as we upgrade our old opensuse
servers i'm quietly switching them to debian
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2337 [19:29:08] <joepublic> I am not sure that questions about
configuring debian are offtopic, but I've been wrong before.
2338 [19:29:09] <jmcnaught> chomwitt: no you can use the
mod_proxy_fcgi module that comes with apache
2339 [19:29:15] <karlpinc> chomwitt: I don't believe
fastcgi-mod is needed.
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2341 [19:29:41] <greycat> I am not even gonna ask why there is a
thing called fastcgi-mod and a thing called mod_proxy_fcgi and why
these are not the same thing.
2342 [19:29:50] <karlpinc> joepublic: As long as somebody has a
question it's ontopic.
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2346 [19:30:47] <SerajewelKS> i think fastcgi-mod is an
interpreter for .fcgi files
2347 [19:30:59] <SerajewelKS> so IIRC it doesn't do the same
thing (it doesn't proxy)
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2390 [19:56:37] <friendofafriend> So, I've got this Debian
image. It has a default user account. When I ssh into the system
running it, my password is accepted, I see the MOTD, and then I get
"Could not chdir to home directory /home/debian: Permission
denied" followed by "/bin/bash: Permission denied".
2391 [19:57:27] <friendofafriend> And the connection closes. So I
made sure the user's home directory was owned by the user, and
it is. I'm not sure where else I should look. Any ideas?
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2400 [20:01:49] <joepublic> You looked into the permissions on the
directory as well?
2401 [20:02:40] <friendofafriend> Yep, did a chown -R UID:GID on
the directory.
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2403 [20:02:54] <joepublic> That sounds like "no".
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2406 [20:03:40] <joepublic> ownership and permissions being
maintained separately.
2407 [20:03:41] <friendofafriend> All files and the directory
itself are owned by the proper UID and GID.
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2409 [20:03:58] <joepublic> another "i didn't look at
the permissions" statement.
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2411 [20:04:35] <friendofafriend> Look, an owner has permissions
to a directory. If you're angling at something, fill me in.
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2414 [20:05:03] <joepublic> if an owner does not have read
permission, he can't cd to his own directory.
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2416 [20:05:21] <joepublic> something odd is going on in your
case; it might or might not be ownership or permissions.
2417 [20:05:27] <joepublic> you already checked one, why not check
the other?
2418 [20:06:03] <friendofafriend> Right, I think you're
talking about execute permission to cd into a directory.
2419 [20:06:15] <joepublic> i am not talking about execute
permission.
2420 [20:06:31] <friendofafriend> You are if you think read is
what keeps you from cd'ing into a directory.
2421 [20:06:45] <jmcnaught> A user needs execute permission on a
directory to cd, read permission to list its contents
2422 [20:06:58] <mutante> listing a directory is
"executing" it
2423 [20:07:02] <joepublic> I am, then, talking about excecute
permissions.
2424 [20:07:05] <mutante> nevermind
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2427 [20:07:21] <jmcnaught> friendofafriend: also check the
permissions on /home
2428 [20:07:22] <joepublic> all of which is academic if we only
look at ownership.
2429 [20:08:38] <friendofafriend> jmcnaught: /home is owned by
root, and 755.
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2431 [20:09:28] <mutante> friendofafriend: what's the number
for /home/debian
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2434 [20:10:06] <friendofafriend> Also 755, but owned by the UID
and GID of that user.
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2436 [20:10:46] <mutante> and when you run "id" you get
the UID and GID you expect to get?
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2438 [20:12:37] <friendofafriend> I can't run any command
directly on the system running the image, so I'm mounting it
offline. I'm checking the UID and GID with "ls -lna",
so the system isn't just showing me user/group from my local
system.
2439 [20:12:41] <joepublic> in /etc/passwd I wonder if the
expected /home/debian is in fact the home directory for debian
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2442 [20:12:49] <joepublic> you can check that offline.
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2445 [20:13:07] <friendofafriend> It surely is, joepublic.
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2448 [20:14:11] <mutante> is "debian" a reserved word
for a user name? :P
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2450 [20:14:32] <friendofafriend> Nope, it's the default user
for this image.
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2464 [20:22:50] <friendofafriend> Oh well, didn't get to the
bottom of it, but turned on root login for SSHd and copied over the
shadow entry I knew.
2465 [20:23:12] <joepublic> good, creative solution.
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2467 [20:24:01] <friendofafriend> Glad to finally have Debian 9.6
running on this NVIDIA Shield. Lucky to find an ARMHF image that
works. ;)
2468 [20:24:09] <friendofafriend> Thanks for your help, all.
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2524 [21:01:06] <jhutchins_wk> j ansible
2525 [21:01:37] <jhutchins_wk> 'scuse, This set up tends to
eat the first character when I've switched away.
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2557 [21:12:56] <wadadli> after installing a pkg
2558 [21:13:02] <wadadli> how can I see where it dumped it's
files?
2559 [21:13:10] <greycat> you can use dpkg -L pkgname
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2562 [21:15:50] <aloo_shu> or in synaptic, navigate to the pkg and
choose 'Installed Files' to be displayed
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2694 [22:35:03] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys i jsut updated from
stretch to buster and my PATH is messed. how can i fix it?
2695 [22:35:55] <greycat> !debian-next
2696 [22:35:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2698 [22:36:04] <greycat> Probably you mean "after su",
because that's what they changed.
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2700 [22:36:37] <InvisibleRasta> yeah
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2702 [22:38:30] <InvisibleRasta> greycat: you know how i can
solve?
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2706 [22:39:35] <greycat> !debian-next
2707 [22:39:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
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2749 [23:00:58] <Emil> Hi
2750 [23:01:04] <friendofafriend> Howdy, Emil.
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2754 [23:01:41] <Emil> Anyone have feedback on an ice/stun/turn
server? I found baresip and turnserver from the repos easily and
stuntman from the internet
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2756 [23:03:10] <joepublic> I used resiprocate for a while before
giving up on jitsi as more of a problem than a solution
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2759 [23:04:05] <Emil> joepublic: that would probably be the repro
package?
2760 [23:04:07] <noahmg123_> My screen doesn't get that
bright. I've been running Linux on my laptop for quite a while,
so I don't remember clearly, but I think I recall Windows being
able to set the brightness of my screen much higher. Could this be a
driver issue?
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2763 [23:04:34] <joepublic> apt-cache says it's
"resiprocate-turn-server"
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2826 [23:31:01] <friendofafriend> Still having troubles with
permissions on this image. Is there something squirrelly about this
mtab? It's getting auto-generated and clobbering my edits, and
I'm not sure from where.
replaced-url
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2828 [23:32:20] <phogg> friendofafriend: normally one edits fstab,
not mtab (not any more)
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2834 [23:37:47] <joepublic> editing fstab + sudo mount -a mounts
everything it can and regenerates mtab
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