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• 13[00:04:43] <ebol4> weird question, I've got a small machine with 6 ethernet interfaces running Debian x86. the interfaces are numbered, physically, on the chassis, 1 through 6
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• 15[00:05:05] <ebol4> they are in order of ascending mac addresses, so 1 is xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:01, and so on
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• 17[00:05:07] <Wulf> dork: I'm familiar with it. But I don't use jessie anymore.
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• 19[00:05:24] <ebol4> in debian, the interfaces are out of order, e.g. interface 2 on the chassis is eth6
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• 21[00:05:51] <SerajewelKS> ebol4: have a look in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz
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• 23[00:06:00] <SerajewelKS> ebol4: it discusses how to set up persistent and custom interface names
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• 26[00:06:41] <SerajewelKS> ebol4: specifically the section "Custom net interface naming"
• 27[00:06:57] <ebol4> SerajewelKS: the issue is that I'm trying to build a generic device image using Debian, so while I can hardocde interface names to MAC addresses on this one, if I flash another device with this OS image, the MAC addresses will be different
• 28[00:07:02] <ebol4> is there a dynamic way to do this?
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• 31[00:07:57] <ebol4> right now, i have a script that runs on boot that just calls "ip link set <> name <>" to rename them all in order of MAC address
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• 33[00:08:01] <ebol4> but it doesn't always work properly
• 34[00:08:09] <SerajewelKS> hmm. you could have a script that runs once at first boot, sorts the interfaces by MAC address, writes out the rules file, deletes itself, and reboots.
• 35[00:08:24] <ebol4> ah that's an idea, i could write out the udev rules file
• 36[00:09:11] <SerajewelKS> yeah. use a systemd oneshot service unit maybe. if the rules are written successfully, the script could also (instead of deleting itself) disable and mask the unit, then reboot.
• 37[00:09:42] <SerajewelKS> so the image would reboot itself one time, the first time it's started from the image
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• 39[00:10:14] <SerajewelKS> obviously care must be taken when maintaining the image itself. so possibly include some way to detect if the booted machine is the source image and have the script abort in that case.
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• 66[00:27:19] <trysten> SerajewelKS: great work with quantum on the UniFi AP's. I read the stuff and appreciate it. Any more tips or resources for the UniFi system? "Don't use them, use X" counts.
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• 75[00:31:26] <de-facto> SerajewelKS, do you know if apt-get always uses the "export http_proxy=" from /etc/profile ? I tested it and shut down my proxy before, and it still was able to pull packages...
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• 78[00:33:29] <ebol4> SerajewelKS: works perfectly, thanks!
• 79[00:33:45] <de-facto> can i force apt to always use a http proxy which is determined at runtime at the default gateway?
• 80[00:33:46] <ksk> de-facto: depends on how apt is invoked Id say.
• 81[00:34:01] <de-facto> can you elaborate?
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• 84[00:34:59] <de-facto> it will be called from a docker image, so i doubt there will be logins and such
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• 86[00:35:38] <ksk> If you have a shell, which has http_proxy set, it will use it.
• 87[00:35:41] <de-facto> e.g. my CI/CD system will use a docker image to build, and i guess it will just set the ENTRYPOINT
• 88[00:35:43] <trysten> de-facto: you can probably test the behavior with curl. I'd guess that it just falls back if the proxy is unavailable.
• 89[00:36:04] <ksk> if you do "dockerfoo exec my-container apt-get update" it will most likely not source your /etc/profile
• 90[00:36:15] <de-facto> yeah
• 91[00:36:21] <de-facto> thats what i suspect
• 92[00:36:46] <ksk> where is it written how apt* handles proxy things? having problems to find the right manpage
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• 94[00:37:10] <ksk> Id suspect there would be options to put in /etc/apt/conf.d or what that path was, to set a proxy permanently
• 95[00:37:26] <de-facto> i tried writing a static ip to "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01-proxy" and that seems to fail if the proxy is not reachable
• 96[00:37:40] <de-facto> but i have to determine the correct ip address at runtime
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• 98[00:38:01] <ksk> de-facto: then its not an apt problem, but "How do I orchestrate my stuff"
• 99[00:38:02] <de-facto> e.g. $(ip route show default | cut -d' ' -f3):3142
• 100[00:38:33] <de-facto> can i use a script in "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01-proxy" ?
• 101[00:38:43] <Tenkawa> thats not an apt problem
• 102[00:38:57] <Tenkawa> thats likely a dns/routing problem
• 103[00:39:06] <ksk> setup a reverse-proxy, which does that determining of its proxy (via config-managment maybe?) - and then put the first proxy into sources.list
• 104[00:39:34] <Tenkawa> Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
• 105[00:39:46] <ksk> this will also make apt fail it its proxy is not reachable
• 106[00:39:57] <Tenkawa> in apt.conf.d
• 107[00:40:00] <ksk> s/it/if/
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• 109[00:40:13] <de-facto> dang i dont want to run a dns server just for that
• 110[00:40:20] <Tenkawa> so if its working then not something else is causing it
• 111[00:40:30] <de-facto> and i dont want to have the proxy reachable by public interface of my server
• 112[00:40:58] <Tenkawa> de-facto: it may be something as simple as your resolver not configuring properly
• 113[00:41:10] <ksk> maybe you should rethink what you are doing rather ;)
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• 115[00:41:12] <de-facto> what do you mean?
• 116[00:41:28] <ksk> de-facto: what is your actual problem? why would the IP of a proxyserver change?
• 117[00:41:41] <Tenkawa> does /etc/resolv.conf on one that has the problem look like it has the correct contents
• 118[00:41:57] <Tenkawa> ksk: good q
• 119[00:42:04] <de-facto> ok what i am doing: I am building a docker image from within a git repo with my ci/cd system and want to configure it to always use my host system squid proxy for caching http traffic during development and building
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• 121[00:42:42] <de-facto> ksk because its always on the containers standard gateway, and that is always just determined at runtime
• 122[00:42:47] <de-facto> its not predictable
• 123[00:42:54] <ksk> so tell the ci/cd to apply $proxy to everything it does?^
• 124[00:43:00] <ksk> like, start at the top of your stack
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• 127[00:44:11] <de-facto> is apt not scriptable?
• 128[00:44:30] <ksk> isnt the gateway rather determined by how you choose to name/set/call your container?
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• 130[00:44:55] <ksk> like, you ci/cd a webserver-role, so the gateway is X. you ci/cd a mysql-role, so gateway is Y?
• 131[00:44:57] <de-facto> nope. it will use the next free private ip range for the container when its started
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• 134[00:45:34] <ksk> cool. so make it also use the right gateway?
• 135[00:46:00] <ksk> like, if your CI/CD TELLS your container which IP it should take, it should also be totally able to tell it which gateway to take
• 136[00:46:25] <Tenkawa> br
• 137[00:46:30] <Tenkawa> brb
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• 139[00:46:47] <ksk> I dont really want to harm you or anything, I just think you are trying to solve this from the wrong end.
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• 141[00:47:08] <ksk> and no, apt is not like "put your bash scripts here" extendable
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• 144[00:47:26] <ksk> (as far as I know)
• 145[00:47:47] <de-facto> ksk, i start squid at my host system "docker0" interface (e.g. 172.17.0.1) at 3142. This is always reachable from within the containers at their _current_ standard gateway, eg. one time at 192.168.0.1 or another time at 172.20.0.1 or such
• 146[00:48:03] <de-facto> depending on which networks are available during the container start
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• 148[00:49:34] <ksk> lemme try wrapping my head around this..
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• 156[00:50:24] <ksk> "docker0" interface == a network bridge?
• 157[00:50:32] <ksk> would probably help if I knew docker :x
• 158[00:50:36] <de-facto> yes its a bridge at the host system
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• 161[00:52:28] <de-facto> the standard gateway from within each container represents this "docker0" brigde from the host system
• 162[00:52:44] <ksk> yeah I think I get it.
• 163[00:52:46] <de-facto> the routing in between is done by docker magic
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• 167[00:53:20] <trysten> well, with routing and more bridge interfaces.
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• 169[00:53:25] <ksk> dirty hack: create a systemd unit-file which determines the right gateway-ip after networking was started, and make it write that to apt
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• 171[00:53:51] <ksk> other solutions would include changing your networking I think.
• 172[00:53:51] <de-facto> oh thats actually not such a bad idea at all :)
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• 177[00:54:25] <ksk> its not too clean, and I suspect it might bite you back in the future maybe. but yes, best I can come up with now :P
• 178[00:54:27] <trysten> It's not a great idea. Set proxy in dockerfile
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• 180[00:55:09] <trysten> Rather, it's a great idea, thank you ksk. Set proxy at container runtime
• 181[00:55:16] <trysten> replaced-url
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• 183[00:55:34] <ksk> trysten: now Im confused :>
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• 185[00:56:11] <trysten> I felt mean when I said it wasn't a great idea. Good job thinking of it, but I don't think it's a good practice. My grammar is failing
• 186[00:56:21] <Tenkawa> I think hes saying force the container to proxy
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• 188[00:56:41] <ksk> ah okay. no harm done here, thanks.
• 189[00:56:55] <Tenkawa> which if you are nat'ing would be fine
• 190[00:57:06] <trysten> If you want to force all traffic to do something you ought to adjust the docker network.
• 191[00:57:15] <Tenkawa> but if they are real ips might be problematic
• 192[00:57:35] <Tenkawa> well time for me to head out... cheers all.
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• 194[00:57:47] <trysten> Peace. (he gone)
• 195[00:58:23] <ksk> iirc, "make docker apply the proxy" was the first thing I said when I read his question :D
• 196[00:58:44] <trysten> :) gj ksk
• 197[00:59:59] <de-facto> yes i may need to go the dns route one day or even make a transparent proxy on the host with iptables et al, but for now i am going to determine the default gw at runtime and write that in apt.conf, just to see how far this goes
• 198[01:00:19] <de-facto> when i want the image to be more portable or even useable in swarms i might need to rething and use dns/transparent
• 199[01:01:00] <trysten> de-facto: did you read the top section of the link i posted? It talks about using config.json to set up the proxy
• 200[01:01:15] <ksk> de-facto: why not just use the docker option rather?
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• 203[01:02:05] <ksk> yes, I get your IPs do change with every container startup - but is this not then docker land so to say - meaning docker applies this IPs anyway, so it knows them
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• 205[01:02:31] <de-facto> yes thats true
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• 208[01:03:32] <de-facto> im not quite sure what they mean with "docker client" there. the container is going to be pulled from my registry and started by my ci/cd
• 209[01:04:28] <ksk> so the ci/cd will most likely invoke the docker client, to do docker things
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• 211[01:04:37] <de-facto> and also their suggestions do not look dynamic at all "127.0.0.1" hmmm
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• 213[01:04:46] <de-facto> ksk yes exactly
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• 215[01:05:11] <ksk> maybe you should ask at #your-CI/CD or #docker (not checked if these are the real channel names)
• 216[01:05:28] <de-facto> yes i did ask there already
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• 219[01:08:14] <de-facto> its either: I) static strings (hostnames) in the container with dns magic at the host or II) dynamic ip determination at container runtime and forcing those on apt or maybe III) transparent proxy magic at the host
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• 223[01:09:29] <de-facto> i) is nice and deployable in swarms but need some work II) might be a quick solution to test but does not work for swarms III) probably the most protable (no changes at container) but also quite some fiddling around with complex iptables
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• 229[01:12:53] <Gigglebyte> Microsoft automated recovery utility. I have contacted Microsoft and they advise by phone that someone will telephone me in a few days. For this reason I have decided to install Debian Linux. I have a bootable USB stick, but can't find an option for booting from it in the bios. Things I see in the bios include Windows Boot Manager, UEFI Onboad LAN IPv6, UEFI Onboard LAN IPv4. And then under other options I have:
• 230[01:12:54] <Gigglebyte> diagnostics, enter setup, peripheral device setting (OPROM setting), change boo mode setting.
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• 238[01:19:37] <ksk> Gigglebyte: change boot mode is probably what you are looking for (though this is permanent, and you will have to revert that later to boot from HDD again(if there is also a usb-stick attached)
• 239[01:20:08] <ksk> there is also a magic button available during bootup (before windows kicks in) which should let you choose the boot device for this bootup only
• 240[01:20:23] <ksk> should be F2 for Dell iirc.
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• 254[01:29:47] <j0seph> ksk: for my Dell XPS 13, it is F12. I am unsure if this differs between models though.
• 255[01:30:00] <tomreyn> Gigglebyte: P28F is the "regulatory model", doe snot uniquely identify the model.
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• 257[01:30:54] <ksk> j0seph: you are right, I was mistaken there :)
• 258[01:31:04] <ksk> he however crossposted to #linux and will get help there ;)
• 259[01:31:15] <ksk> ##linux that is.
• 260[01:32:08] <j0seph> ksk: all good, the button differs for so many different brands that they're easy to confuse! it's usually either F2, F10, or F12
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• 265[01:32:59] <ksk> best try pressing them all!
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• 269[01:34:06] <j0seph> the system usually makes the beeping bell noise if I press them too many times, and I like to think that is my computer complaining :P
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• 274[01:36:45] <de-facto> aaw gaawd, 4 levels of escaping, docker, systemd, printf and the shell itself, im gonna get a headache
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• 278[01:41:46] <de-facto> i think im doing it wrong, need to invest time on a higher level indeed to be more flexible
• 279[01:42:58] <j0seph> when debian buster 10 comes out I'll be switching back to that on my XPS 13.. but the temptation to just install stretch and update the repos to point to buster after the soft freeze is alluring.
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• 283[01:45:09] <friendofafriend> I'd like to run a minimal Debian chroot on my Android device, anyone done the same?
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• 285[01:45:44] <t3st3r> de-facto> depends on what you up to I guess.
• 286[01:46:44] <de-facto> well if i do it on a higher level i gain independence from container configs
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• 294[01:48:20] <de-facto> still there is HTTPS gaining more widespread usage nowerdays...
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• 296[01:48:48] <de-facto> maybe i need to inject a trust anchor in the containers and have a transparent HTTP(S) proxy on the host
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• 318[01:59:25] <SerajewelKS> de-facto: why do you even need a proxy?
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• 320[02:00:09] <de-facto> SerajewelKS, because i dont want to pull from debian mirrors for every build
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• 331[02:04:03] <SerajewelKS> de-facto: that doesn't really answer my question
• 332[02:04:34] <SerajewelKS> so this proxy you're only using with apt, and it's caching? is that the deal?
• 333[02:04:52] <de-facto> yes for now only apt
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• 336[02:05:02] <SerajewelKS> okay so then you're going about this all wrong
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• 338[02:05:15] <SerajewelKS> run a reverse proxy like nginx and point your sources.list directly at that
• 339[02:05:37] <SerajewelKS> no screwing around with TLS transparent proxy garbage
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• 344[02:06:37] <de-facto> yeah i have nginx, and that might work, but then if i want to expand usage in future im limited by that particular scenario
• 345[02:06:56] <SerajewelKS> nothing stops you from using a transparent proxy later
• 346[02:07:17] <de-facto> what if a developer wants to test something in arch linux? or such...
• 347[02:07:28] <SerajewelKS> having your gateway able to issue trusted certs for all of your VMs seems like a bad idea
• 348[02:08:02] <SerajewelKS> then you set up the nginx server to handle the arch repos too
• 349[02:08:21] <de-facto> why? the build container must trust the gateway anyhow
• 350[02:08:25] <SerajewelKS> e.g. have a "location /debian { ... }" in nginx with the reverse proxy + caching config for debian
• 351[02:08:48] <SerajewelKS> then later you could add /arch
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• 353[02:09:22] <SerajewelKS> it only has to trust the gateway for unsecured connections
• 354[02:09:33] <de-facto> yet when i use squid somewhat transparently i would not have to deal with setting up for each build image
• 355[02:09:52] <de-facto> nope the build system can do with the container whatever it wants
• 356[02:09:58] <de-facto> so the build host must be trusted
• 357[02:10:50] <SerajewelKS> depends on your squid config and how much caching you want to do
• 358[02:11:09] <de-facto> i dont quite get what the problem of injecting a trust anchor might be, except when dealing with some cert stuff directly
• 359[02:11:14] <SerajewelKS> personally i'd prefer a system that doesn't involve introducing a CA as that's added complexity
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• 361[02:11:44] <de-facto> yeah but why?
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• 363[02:11:59] <SerajewelKS> ... because it's added complexity
• 364[02:13:27] <SerajewelKS> your gateway is doing TLS client work and TLS server work for what benefit? versus the VMs talking to it over plain HTTP.
• 365[02:13:57] <SerajewelKS> extra cert to install on the images. have to set up the proxy environment variable or other config. have to set up transparent proxy in squid.
• 366[02:14:10] <SerajewelKS> versus setting up nginx and changing the repo location in sources.list
• 367[02:14:57] <SerajewelKS> doing two things instead of five and with less CPU consumption on the gateway seems like a better option. but i have no skin in this game, you can do it the way you want to. :)
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• 372[02:18:40] <de-facto> i have nginx running already and i see your point there, i guess i really have to think about it again
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• 413[02:58:36] <LikWidChz> anyone available to help with a package problem?
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• 417[02:59:28] <JackFrost> What type of problem, LikWidChz?
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• 424[03:01:43] <awal1> my command is correct (yersinia DHCP -attack 1 -interface wlan0)
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• 426[03:01:55] <awal1> well, i may have to report a bug
• 427[03:02:11] <LikWidChz> okay so I tried to install this software and its at a specific version.. then I screw around and add on a new source? in apt sources list file... then in package manager I see that its picked up a newer version. So when I try and install that newer version it gives me an error saying the packages have unmet dependencies
• 428[03:02:21] <Auggies> What is the error? "yersinia is not a command"?
• 429[03:02:45] <Auggies> Oh I see
• 430[03:03:14] <Auggies> Have you tried to uninstall then install it again?
• 431[03:03:18] <awal1> Auggies, i meant press any key for stop yersinia doesn't work
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• 433[03:03:43] <awal1> yersinia not responding to pressed key so
• 434[03:03:54] <awal1> yep, already re-installed
• 435[03:03:59] <LikWidChz> well in package manager i uninstalled it and when I click install again it populates with a different version
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• 437[03:04:36] <awal1> looks like a bug
• 438[03:04:57] <awal1> Auggies, do you use that software?
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• 440[03:05:24] <Auggies> No, sorry
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• 442[03:05:32] <awal1> ok, np
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• 487[03:52:41] <t3st3r> de-facto> if you try to get bunch of packages real fast, maybe apt-cacher-ng would do the trick? It kind of proxy that caches packages.
• 488[03:53:22] <t3st3r> though it doesn't do HTTPS intercept, yet since apt checks sigs and so on, I'm not really sure https got big value. If I understood your problem correctly.
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• 492[03:54:42] <de-facto> t3st3r, yes that what i am using right now
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• 494[03:55:50] <de-facto> but still the problem persists i have to tell apt inside the container the dynamic ip for the proxy, its different on every execution
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• 498[03:56:59] <jcb2016> im looking for a linux distro with a strong community that helps people out when in need. freebsd and some other linux distro don't really answer much in there channels. does debian have a good community that helps people? n00b questions and all?
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• 501[03:58:08] <t3st3r> Hmmm not really sure why you need dynamic IP for proxy. Isn't it meant to be on LAN side?
• 502[03:58:12] <jcb2016> also does debian have some good mailing list to follow
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• 506[03:58:57] <t3st3r> jcb2016> I know 2.5 such things, Debian/Ubuntu and maybe arch. At least it got very cool wiki.
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• 509[03:59:32] <t3st3r> Maybe also Gentoo, but it depends.
• 510[04:00:07] <t3st3r> still as for answers - right question contains half of the answer, you know...
• 511[04:00:11] <jcb2016> is debian user friendly to laptops?
• 512[04:00:18] <jcb2016> yes i get it t3st3r
• 513[04:01:06] <t3st3r> It kinda depends. Debian got its own odds, just like any other software on the planet. Guess ubuntu-like are a bit more friendlier to newbies.
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• 515[04:01:40] <jcb2016> t3st3r ubuntu is based off debian right? why not go with debian and not the rip off?
• 516[04:02:01] <t3st3r> *buntus are interesting in fact they give alive system to fiddle with with low efforts. Debian could be harder to get on wheels due to some policies. That still have some point.
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• 520[04:02:52] <t3st3r> I wouldn't also call it ripoffs since at least some ubuntu devs are also debian devs. So they coexist.
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• 524[04:03:42] <t3st3r> They have different policies and approaches. Depending on what someone prefers it depends what works best for them.
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• 527[04:05:04] <t3st3r> If one is ok with some learning and so on - debian could do it. If one just wants usable desktop real fast without clue how things work internally *buntus could get 'em on wheels faster.
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• 529[04:05:37] <t3st3r> and it easier to learn how things work when you got something working. But to my taste ubuntu policies became too annoying for me.
• 530[04:06:07] <jcb2016> true
• 531[04:06:40] <jcb2016> t3st3r i read somehwere that debian is more stable then ubuntu
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• 533[04:07:34] <t3st3r> that depends on definition of stable :)
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• 535[04:08:12] <t3st3r> For servers... yes, I would prefer Debian or at least Ubuntu LTS. To keep things running for a while. Assuming they worked initially.
• 536[04:08:24] <jcb2016> ok got it
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• 538[04:08:44] <t3st3r> For desktops - it depends. At the end of day one may want recent kernel/software/something. So feature could turn bug.
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• 540[04:09:45] <t3st3r> Though debian got its own aces in the sleeve to deal with it - there're backports and testing. But it can take some advanced knowledge to get it right.
• 541[04:09:57] <jcb2016> yea
• 542[04:11:04] <jcb2016> t3st3r im tried of distro hoping lol i just wanna try one and get good at it. i like FreeBSD but out of 857 people in #freebsd only 1 or 2 answer randomly out of the whole day. so my energy is kinda stale right now about it. this channel through the years though seems alive whenever i pop in and out
• 543[04:11:53] <jcb2016> linux/unix irc channels back in the 90's when everypone wanted a part of it was such alive now everyone is doing it and its just meh
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• 545[04:12:00] <t3st3r> Well, sad truth is: ppl got things to do and trying to be a free 24/7 support ... is hard to afford, even if someone willing to.
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• 547[04:14:01] <jcb2016> yep. im gonna try debian in a virtualbox and see how i like it. i will bbl if i need help or if anyone can help out
• 548[04:14:11] <t3st3r> well, #debian is quite alive to my taste.
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• 551[04:15:08] <ryouma> jcb2016: i cannot offer comparisons of support. long ago i heard gentoo had a great community. dunno about arch except taht the wiki is awesome. debian has so many advantages that i will not switch out of it despite its sometimes major drawbacks.
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• 555[04:16:25] <ryouma> generic linux support does exist, so that leaves only debian specific stuff...
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• 589[04:49:52] <jcb2016> i just installed debian in virtualbox and i can't add the guest addons because the kernel-headers aren't installed. i have like 7 diffrent choices of kernel headers. how do i know which to install? im running 4.9.0-9-amd64
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• 594[04:53:08] <jcb2016> i found it replaced-url
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• 602[04:58:30] <SerajewelKS> jcb2016: linux-headers-$ARCH
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• 604[05:00:21] <MiggyX> Hi guys, I'm trying to build a live image that uses stretch-backports, but the package linux-image-amd64 depends on a package that doesn't seem to be available yet: replaced-url
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• 606[05:00:52] <SerajewelKS> what happened to Xvnc in debian?
• 607[05:00:52] <jcb2016> SerajewelKS thanks. i got another question. if i want to build from source or do something with building. do i need to install like a base-devel or something? i don't think the regular installer did it
• 608[05:01:12] <SerajewelKS> jcb2016: build-essential gives you everything you need to build kernel modules, generally
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• 611[05:01:55] <nkuttler> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 612[05:01:56] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.19+102~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+102; sid: 4.19+102
• 613[05:02:06] <SerajewelKS> jcb2016: there's other stuff you will need depending on the particular thing you're building. probably some *-dev packages, maybe a different make system (cmake for example). so there's no general answer other than "try to build the thing and install whatever it complains is missing until it builds."
• 614[05:02:15] <nkuttler> !tell MiggyX about errors
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• 617[05:03:40] <SerajewelKS> jcb2016: and build-essential is only going to get you a C/C++ compiler. if you're trying to build a java program for example, then you need a whole different suite of tools.
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• 619[05:04:09] <MiggyX> nkuttler: the error is "linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 but it is not installable". From the package link I provided, it seems that the package it depends on doesn't exist yet.
• 620[05:04:48] <MiggyX> nkuttler: yesterday it was fine as the meta-package pointed to bpo.1-amd64
• 621[05:06:31] <rant> MiggyX: yes it would seem the package is broken
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• 625[05:07:50] <MiggyX> rant: Anything I can do to help? :)
• 626[05:07:58] <jcb2016> thanks SerajewelKS
• 627[05:09:10] <Ooze> How can I control the settings in 'screen'? I seem to have bold fonts enabled, when I'd like them to be disabled
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• 637[05:20:28] <rant> MiggyX: file a bug or post to debian-kernel@lists.debian.org .. idk it was just uploaded yesterday and there are -dbg and -unsigned but the package that metapackage refers to was not uploaded.
• 638[05:21:31] <MiggyX> rant: will do thanks! I'm just glad it's not my mirror :)
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• 640[05:22:30] <rant> MiggyX: no I checked the official mirrors, its neither in the pool nor in the Release file
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• 648[05:25:25] <rant> MiggyX: actually backports website suggest to use debian-backports@lists.debian.org for reporting bugs on backports
• 649[05:25:50] <rant> I'd never had an issue with a backport before.. this is new to me :P
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• 651[05:27:35] <MiggyX> rant: I've emailed debian-backports, thanks for your help! :)
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• 660[05:30:37] <jcb2016> ran into my first snag. i added myself to the sudo group with root and i tried to sudo a command and it said i wasn't in the sudo group and it would be reported. i rebooted already and still no luck. any ideas?
• 661[05:31:09] <rant> Ooze: fonts would be a function of whatever terminal you are using.. I use screen and how the fonts are rendered depends on the machine and terminal I'm ssh from is configured
• 662[05:31:51] <rant> jcb2016: did you configure sudo?
• 663[05:32:39] <jcb2016> rant: i did visudo and uncommented out sudo and rebooted. was i suppose to do more?
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• 665[05:33:38] <rant> well you should probably try installing Debian.. because unless you are running windows, you don't need to reboot everytime you change a setting
• 666[05:34:10] <jcb2016> rant: installed debian in a virtualbox. im still new to this whole proccess
• 667[05:34:11] <rant> jcb2016: you can verify your group memberships by running id or groups as your user
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• 669[05:34:39] <jcb2016> jcb2016 cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner <-- this is what i got from running groups
• 670[05:34:52] <Ooze> rant: I'd have thought so, but bolds are enabled when in screen -- and not when using my naked urxvt
• 671[05:38:49] <jcb2016> rant: any idead?
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• 673[05:39:02] <jcb2016> s/idead/ideas
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• 675[05:40:16] <p47r30n> apache2 and mysql control panel recommend ??
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• 678[05:43:05] <rant> jcb2016: I just gave you my ideas, if you can't show exactly what you're running and exactly what it says, I got nothing further
• 679[05:43:31] <jcb2016> rant: i fixed it
• 680[05:43:49] <jcb2016> in the sudoers file the sudo group didn't have a % in front of it
• 681[05:44:05] <rant> jcb2016: then it wasn't the sudo group :P
• 682[05:44:11] <jcb2016> lol
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• 686[05:44:52] <rant> sudo means a user called sudo, %sudo means a group called sudo
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• 693[05:49:40] <Myst_> hey guys, need some suggestions..
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• 695[05:50:20] <Myst_> have a lenovo yoga-520 i5- 8th gen with touch screen phablet/netbook
• 696[05:50:42] <Myst_> whats the best way to setup touch screen keyboard with it.
• 697[05:50:52] <Myst_> will it work with debian..
• 698[05:51:02] <Myst_> thanks in advance
• 699[05:51:14] <Myst_> suggestions will be greatly appreciated
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• 705[05:56:11] <jcb2016> Myst_: i got debian in a virtualbox i wish i could help
• 706[05:56:14] <jcb2016> bbs
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• 710[05:59:20] <rant> Myst_: you want an android style on screen keyboard that pops up when you click in a text area I take it?
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• 712[06:00:56] <rant> ,i florence
• 713[06:00:57] <judd> Package florence (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: extensible and scalable virtual keyboard for X. Version: 0.6.3-1+b2; Size: 525.2k; Installed: 1489k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 714[06:01:03] <rant> Myst_: ^
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• 716[06:01:35] <rant> "Florence stays out of your way: it appears on the screen only when needed."
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• 723[06:20:08] <Myst_> rant: yes please
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• 831[07:40:22] <Rico> hello. what is the correct syntax in /etc/network/interfaces : "bond-mode active-backup" or "bond-mode 1" ?
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• 841[07:49:28] <darxmurf> both are okay
• 842[07:49:47] <darxmurf> but it would be bond_mode
• 843[07:49:50] <darxmurf> and not bond-mode
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• 856[07:57:05] <hypercore> hey guys, anyone here?
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• 860[08:00:10] <jelly> maybe
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• 862[08:01:50] <hypercore> any idea why amixer set Master 1%+ is reseting my volume sometimes?
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• 993[09:23:23] <mirazi_heket> hey, my pam asks me 2 times for sudo password when im trying to pass it - it works but it breaks ansible functionality, how can i fix that? replaced-url
• 994[09:23:38] <mirazi_heket> note it applies only to local account (not ldap one)
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• 1001[09:27:12] <Greyztar> anyone with knowledge of hard drives here like the lba sector stuff?
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• 1017[09:36:48] <klys> greyztar, yeah
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• 1023[09:42:00] <Greyztar> klys: need to tell in easy words what chs and lba is,i thought metaphor with a normal record might explain it,other than chs have a sector 0 and is non sequentially sectors and lba is sequentially ordered?
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• 1026[09:42:33] <klys> chs sector numbering starts at 1.
• 1027[09:43:22] <klys> most usb disks have a defined number of heads, which you can find out by doing: fdisk -l -u=cylinders /dev/sdb
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• 1029[09:44:45] <Greyztar> klys: im just to talk about regular hard drives though,thought either lba or chs started at sector 0 but ok ,other than that is the metaphor with a record ok or should i use another way of explaining it?
• 1030[09:45:17] <klys> well it makes sense.
• 1031[09:45:30] <Psyndrome> The mouse sensitivity controls have no effect what could be the problem?
• 1032[09:45:46] <Greyztar> klys: ok thanks for the help then (,")
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• 1048[09:56:25] <Greyztar> klys: but LBA startiing at sector 0 right i think i switched them around in my question
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• 1055[09:58:40] <klys> greyztar, it appears to be so, according to this: replaced-url
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• 1057[09:58:55] <Greyztar> klys: cheers
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• 1067[10:03:28] <Haohmaru> Psyndrome the mouse settings GUI thing might not work since recent Debian has switched to "libinput" or so
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• 1072[10:04:12] <Haohmaru> so tweaking the mouse settings can be done with configs for now
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• 1074[10:05:06] <Psyndrome> What kind of configs?
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• 1077[10:05:32] <Haohmaru> iirc somewhere in xorg i think
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• 1085[10:07:41] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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• 1134[10:37:34] <namoamitabuddha> Hello, all!
• 1135[10:37:42] <namoamitabuddha> I have enabled APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
• 1136[10:38:01] <namoamitabuddha> It seems to me that the package lists are not periodically updated.
• 1137[10:38:06] <namoamitabuddha> How can I fetch a log?
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• 1144[10:43:44] <tomreyn> namoamitabuddha: it's /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades on Ubuntu, but i thinkt he package is the same: unattended-upgrades
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• 1146[10:44:05] <petn-randall> You need to have that package installed for it to work.
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• 1150[10:44:53] <namoamitabuddha> tomreyn, I found no trace of updates of package lists.
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• 1152[10:45:21] <namoamitabuddha> In fact, I found that unattended-upgrades does not work well so I digged into logs to understand the issue.
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• 1155[10:45:43] <tomreyn> namoamitabuddha: do you have the package installed then? the path was not exactly correct, it's /var/log/unattended-upgrades/ - also you should find cron records in syslog / journal
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• 1157[10:45:48] <namoamitabuddha> From the log of unattended-upgrades, it seems to me that it does periodically check whether there are updates
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• 1164[10:46:48] <tomreyn> you can run it with --dry-run --debug, this will tell whats (not) going on and why
• 1165[10:47:04] <namoamitabuddha> tomreyn, I have that log, correct, but as far as I understand from the log, it does not tell me whether it updates the package lists (it just check whether there are upgrades according to the current package list)
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• 1168[10:48:03] <namoamitabuddha> It seems to me that, daily updating the package lists is not the task of unattended-upgrades
• 1169[10:48:18] <namoamitabuddha> I am looking at /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily
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• 1173[10:50:17] <tomreyn> namoamitabuddha: usually you have APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
• 1174[10:50:59] <tomreyn> which is put there by package update-notifier-common
• 1175[10:51:29] <namoamitabuddha> I do the setup following "Automatic call via /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades" in replaced-url
• 1176[10:51:32] <tomreyn> whoops, i take this back, this was ubuntu, not so on debain apparently
• 1177[10:51:35] <namoamitabuddha> I did work before
• 1178[10:51:41] <namoamitabuddha> It did work before
• 1179[10:51:48] <namoamitabuddha> but now it breaks
• 1180[10:52:08] <tomreyn> well, check your cron logs
• 1181[10:52:30] <tomreyn> see whether unattended-upgrades actually has outstanding work
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• 1183[10:53:02] <tomreyn> oh this is not cron but a systemd times, sorry
• 1184[10:53:08] <tomreyn> but there should be logs either way
• 1185[10:53:14] <tomreyn> *timeR
• 1186[10:53:15] <namoamitabuddha> By the way, I also set APT::Periodic::Verbose "2"
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• 1197[11:00:29] <namoamitabuddha> systemd
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• 1200[11:02:04] <namoamitabuddha> OK
• 1201[11:02:18] <namoamitabuddha> I looked at journalctl -u apt-daily.service
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• 1203[11:02:52] <namoamitabuddha> It tells me that
• 1204[11:02:57] <namoamitabuddha> deb.debian.org is not resolved
• 1205[11:02:59] <namoamitabuddha> weird
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• 1218[11:08:54] <namoamitabuddha> Ah, I see
• 1219[11:08:58] <namoamitabuddha> maybe it is due to docker
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• 1221[11:09:20] <namoamitabuddha> since the connection of docker is established
• 1222[11:09:33] <namoamitabuddha> systemd-analyze critical-chain apt-daily-upgrade.service
• 1223[11:09:37] <namoamitabuddha> gives me docker
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• 1278[11:49:14] <__m4ch1n3__> hey my usbwlan started to turnoff randomly some time ago and im trying to localize the issiue but have no luck
• 1279[11:49:18] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 1285[11:51:07] <__m4ch1n3__> dmesg output on wlan turn off
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• 1287[11:52:18] <__m4ch1n3__> could anyone maybe point me in the direction how to localize the reason for random wlan dongle shutdowns?
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• 1293[11:55:13] <__m4ch1n3__> any basic usb diagnostic tools recomendations?
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• 1296[11:57:07] <__m4ch1n3__> btw ath9k_htc wlan kernel module is loaded with no power managment option
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• 1298[11:57:58] <__m4ch1n3__> is there something like that for generic usb port module? to turn off any type of powersaving related to usb off
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• 1301[11:58:57] <rocketmagnet> how to use pastebinit ? i tried $cat myfile.txt > pastebinit but no url comes up ..
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• 1303[11:59:38] <__m4ch1n3__> try echo "foo" | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1305[11:59:53] <towo^work> cat myfile.txt | pastebinit would work
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• 1308[12:00:50] <__m4ch1n3__> termbin lets you paste stuff with onboard tools
• 1309[12:01:56] <__m4ch1n3__> rocketmagnet, cat myfile.txt > pastebinit
• 1310[12:02:17] <__m4ch1n3__> writes content of myfile to pastbin file in current path
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• 1312[12:02:35] <__m4ch1n3__> so you created pastebin file in current path
• 1313[12:03:18] <__m4ch1n3__> and if file exsitis ">" overwrites the file so be carefull with that
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• 1335[12:24:57] <rocketmagnet> how to use pastebinit ? i tried $cat myfile.txt > pastebinit but no url comes up ... i've to go, bbl =|
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• 1342[12:30:28] <_m4ch1n3_> lol
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• 1347[12:31:15] <_m4ch1n3_> rocketmagnet seems supportresistent
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• 1459[13:35:05] <hunchback_m4ch1n> k, usbcore.autosuspend is now -1 trying to monitor random disconnect with "udevadm monitor --property" maybe i can extract any details
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• 1461[13:36:31] <hunchback_m4ch1n> but dont think autosuspend was the reason bacause it also happens while downloading stuff, and ussb is not idle
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• 1475[13:44:55] <Tazmain> Hi all, I am building a debian container with docker and need to install tshark. I am getting prompted `Should non-superusers be able to capture packets? [yes/no]` during the build process how do I accept this?
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• 1481[13:48:30] <themill> Tazmain: preseed the wireshark-common/install-setuid key into debconf
• 1482[13:48:35] <themill> !debconf-set-selections
• 1483[13:48:36] <dpkg> rumour has it, debconf-set-selections is a way of answering configuration questions prior to installing the package (e.g. specifying a mysql password or accepting the Sun Java licence in advance). Install the package in your test environment and run "debconf-get-selections" (debconf-utils package) to get the appropriate key names.
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• 1485[13:50:30] <perseiver> hello I need an urgent help in configuring static ip on Debian9.7
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• 1487[13:50:56] <perseiver> I am using nmtui command to set DHCP as well as static IP on 3 network Card
• 1488[13:51:06] <perseiver> but nothing is working
• 1489[13:51:52] <perseiver> I have used Ubuntu and Centos, and have configured static IP as well as DHCP in one server. But same method is not working in Debian
• 1490[13:52:00] <perseiver> what I am doing wrong?
• 1491[13:52:07] <perseiver> Can anyone help me?
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• 1493[13:53:04] <perseiver> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
• 1494[13:53:04] <perseiver> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
• 1495[13:53:04] <perseiver> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
• 1496[13:53:04] <perseiver> # The loopback network interface
• 1497[13:53:05] <perseiver> auto lo
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• 1499[13:53:25] <blackflow> perseiver: use /etc/network/interfaces for that. replaced-url
• 1500[13:53:36] <blackflow> ...
• 1501[13:53:40] <hunchback_m4ch1n> :3
• 1502[13:53:40] <wwilliam> he was kicked out
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• 1504[13:53:47] <perseiver> # gateway 10.176.19.109
• 1505[13:53:51] <blackflow> perseiver: stop
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• 1507[13:53:57] <blackflow> perseiver: use /etc/network/interfaces for that. replaced-url
• 1508[13:54:05] <wwilliam> perseiver: paste\
• 1509[13:54:09] <wwilliam> !paste
• 1510[13:54:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1511[13:54:18] <perseiver> sorry
• 1512[13:54:22] <perseiver> I was not aware
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• 1517[13:56:36] <blackflow> perseiver: that's part of the ifupdown package, so consult google for more info on how to use it, aside from the manpage.
• 1518[13:57:50] <perseiver> paste.debian.net/1067584
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• 1521[13:58:42] <perseiver> hello, I am trying to configure the static as well as dhcp on same server
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• 1523[13:59:05] <blackflow> perseiver: are lines 10-24 supposed to be commented out?
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• 1525[13:59:57] <perseiver> No.. I have just commented as 'service network restart' has resulted failed state
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• 1528[14:00:26] <blackflow> perseiver: that won't work. you have to ifdown and then ifup to reconfigure the NICs
• 1529[14:01:07] <perseiver> as you can see, I have three network interfaces.... two interfaces need to be configured static and third one will be dhcp
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• 1532[14:02:32] <perseiver> why I can't configure ip using nmtui command line tools
• 1533[14:02:42] <perseiver> or nmcli
• 1534[14:03:34] <perseiver> This are the tools I used so many time to configure static, dhcp and even vlan easily on other linux distros. But here I got no success
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• 1536[14:03:38] <blackflow> perseiver: because NM is probably configured not to touch wired interfaces? it's highly unusual to use NM for static config
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• 1539[14:04:14] <perseiver> ok. I see
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• 1541[14:04:29] <blackflow> centos is using NM becuse redhat wants to dbusify everything.
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• 1543[14:05:05] <perseiver> so if in the code paste.debian.net/1067584, will I uncomment line 10-24 and then ifdown and ifup each interfaces. Will it work?
• 1544[14:05:26] <perseiver> also, I need to give static routing also,
• 1545[14:05:32] <blackflow> perseiver: at a glance, yes. a bit unusual netmask, but eh....
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• 1548[14:05:58] <perseiver> ok blackflow:
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• 1551[14:06:04] <perseiver> Need just one help
• 1552[14:06:06] <blackflow> perseiver: routing is automatic (via gateway) unless you need non-default routes. see the ifupdown documentation (and that first link I posted) for more info
• 1553[14:06:40] <perseiver> blackflow: I need to configure static route on two interface ( On which I will set static ip address)
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• 1561[14:11:14] <perseiver> blackflow: when I run command ifdown, its complaining interface ens33 not configured
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• 1569[14:15:10] <perseiver> not working, It seems documentation in replaced-url
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• 1571[14:15:50] <perseiver> not for advance configuration. whatever I am making changes its just not reflecting
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• 1574[14:17:45] <perseiver> when I run systemctl status networking. I see Failed to raise network interfaces
• 1575[14:18:11] <__m4ch1n3__> means maybe your configfor ifacr is cripled
• 1576[14:18:12] <blackflow> perseiver: are those three devices really present?
• 1577[14:18:18] <__m4ch1n3__> *ifcae
• 1578[14:18:22] <__m4ch1n3__> *iface
• 1579[14:18:23] <perseiver> yes,
• 1580[14:18:24] <blackflow> tryagain :)
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• 1582[14:18:36] <blackflow> perseiver: you're 100% sure? `ip link` shows them?
• 1583[14:18:48] <perseiver> for proof, when I remove the LAN cable it shows UP in ifconfig command
• 1584[14:19:02] <perseiver> sorry Down
• 1585[14:19:15] <perseiver> and when I plugged again, I can see its UP
• 1586[14:19:28] <blackflow> forget ifconfig, it's long deprecated
• 1587[14:19:29] <__m4ch1n3__> venga_boys_up_and_down.mp4
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• 1589[14:20:12] <blackflow> perseiver: can you pastebin the logs when you run ifup ?
• 1590[14:21:02] <blackflow> perseiver: also please pastebin the output of `ip a`
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• 1595[14:24:32] <perseiver> replaced-url
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• 1597[14:25:34] <perseiver> Hi Everyone it worked
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• 1599[14:25:50] <perseiver> Now static ip is set in Each interfaces
• 1600[14:25:53] <perseiver> thanks
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• 1603[14:27:14] <perseiver> here is the result replaced-url
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• 1605[14:28:09] <perseiver> thanks blackflow: and everyone else
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• 1608[14:28:45] <perseiver> Now I need to set custom route along with default route... Please let me know if there is any reference link for that?
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• 1614[14:33:29] <blackflow> perseiver: it's a bit unintuitive and barely documented. you need post-up hooks to add static routes (in a way that persists across reboots). lemme find some concrete examples
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• 1621[14:34:48] <blackflow> perseiver: see this for examples: replaced-url
• 1622[14:34:59] <perseiver> ok blackflow:
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• 1624[14:36:06] <perseiver> let me test it... and will let you know
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• 1628[14:36:35] <blackflow> perseiver: btw, the ip route part ... is documented with ip-route(8) . it's just executed as part of post-up and post-down hooks in e/n/i
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• 1633[14:40:43] <perseiver> blackflow: i know ip route add and ip route remove works. But they are not persistent
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• 1635[14:41:09] <blackflow> perseiver: so you add them as `post-up ip route ....` lines of e/n/i as you see in that example above
• 1636[14:41:12] <perseiver> in centos and ubuntu... there is file route-<interfae> where I write route line... and it become permanent
• 1637[14:41:27] <perseiver> I was searching similar in debian
• 1638[14:41:36] <perseiver> ok
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• 1644[14:43:30] <__m4ch1n3__> perseiver, google "<searchtopic> site:debian.org"
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• 1646[14:44:06] <__m4ch1n3__> tutorials on debian.org domain are usually very accurate
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• 1648[14:44:59] <blackflow> __m4ch1n3__: unfortunately there's no word on static route config in the wikis or manpages.
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• 1651[14:45:22] <blackflow> that one can use post-up hooks is not immediately obvious
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• 1653[14:45:45] <blackflow> perseiver: perhaps you can still use the /etc/network/routes file, I see it's perhaps managed by the ifupdown-extras package
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• 1659[14:47:46] <perseiver> O really..
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• 1661[14:47:50] <perseiver> let me try it..
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• 1665[14:49:10] <__m4ch1n3__> *"<searchtopic> site:debian.org -site:packages.debian.org"
• 1666[14:50:25] <perseiver> blackflow: there is no such file like /etc/network/routes
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• 1670[14:51:26] <blackflow> perseiver: create it. Use it as you would've in Ubuntu (which btw, is no longer using ifupdown)
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• 1674[14:54:02] <blackflow> and btw it seems the package just installs if-up.d and if-pre-down.d scripts, so it's technically just using post-up hooks anyway...
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• 1735[15:44:14] <Tazmain> arg docker is fighting me all the way to host a site in the container
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• 1740[15:46:18] <boubou> Hi
• 1741[15:46:25] <petn-randall> Tazmain: Spawn more containers to fight back!
• 1742[15:46:32] <boubou> I look about setting a proxy for apt
• 1743[15:46:46] <boubou> some sites told me to set it echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy replaced-url
• 1744[15:46:56] <boubou> other told me to set it in apt.conf
• 1745[15:47:04] <boubou> which one is OK ?
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• 1747[15:47:12] <Tazmain> petn-randall, can I arm them ?
• 1748[15:47:22] <boubou> what is the diff between those twice files ?
• 1749[15:48:01] <nkuttler> boubou: apt.conf might be overwritten by the package at some point, apt.conf.d is usually better for local changes
• 1750[15:48:10] <nkuttler> but debian will ask you before overwriting anyway
• 1751[15:48:10] <petn-randall> baba__: apt will read /etc/apt/apt.conf, and all files below /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/, in alphanumeric order. So you're free to put it wherever it suits you best.
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• 1754[15:50:07] <boubou> so if I correctly understand, it doesnt matter where I set it
• 1755[15:51:15] <boubou> right ?
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• 1760[15:52:59] <petn-randall> boubou: It doesn't. Only case where it matters if you set it twice, then the later setting (alphanumerically) will win.
• 1761[15:53:16] <petn-randall> *Correct, it doesn't matter.
• 1762[15:53:22] <boubou> second question, where I set the line in a file
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• 1764[15:53:37] <boubou> which service do I need to restart to take effect ?
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• 1766[15:54:06] <petn-randall> boubou: You don't need to restart a service, as you call apt on the command line.
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• 1768[15:54:16] <petn-randall> It reads the config files on every run.
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• 1772[15:55:53] <boubou> you are very great
• 1773[15:56:07] <boubou> randall, are ytou the same guys that efnet ?
• 1774[15:56:11] <boubou> with znx
• 1775[15:56:15] <boubou> :D
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• 1777[15:56:58] <petn-randall> I don't know what you mean with that.
• 1778[15:57:09] <Tazmain> petn-randall, I won
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• 1782[15:57:41] <petn-randall> Tazmain: If you defeat all the dockers, you'll need to defeat the cloud as final boss.
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• 1784[15:58:14] * Tazmain hides
• 1785[15:58:31] <Tazmain> wait actually I know how to defeat it
• 1786[15:58:57] <petn-randall> sunshine?
• 1787[15:59:00] * ayekat hands Tazmain a dehumidifier and points into the sky
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• 1789[15:59:15] <Tazmain> no lol. attack the power grid
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• 1792[15:59:20] <Tazmain> thanks ayekat
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• 1839[16:32:13] <NetTerminalGene> are there softwares that use avx in debian?
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• 1841[16:34:54] <blackflow> NetTerminalGene: looks like it replaced-url
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• 1844[16:36:28] <NetTerminalGene> great
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• 1847[16:37:26] <blackflow> or maybe not really: replaced-url
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• 1965[17:37:30] <val00100> Hi,can any1 help with my whonix gateway?
• 1966[17:37:35] <greycat> !whonix
• 1967[17:37:35] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
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• 1969[17:38:05] <greycat> !oftc
• 1970[17:38:05] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 2073[18:29:26] <PaddyF> is there a functionality like in grsec where you can secure a chroot environment?
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• 2075[18:30:35] <greycat> "man 2 chroot" tells you how hopelessly insecure a chroot is, and how to break one
• 2076[18:30:55] <PaddyF> yeah, but i asked my question because of that
• 2077[18:31:21] <petn-randall> PaddyF: I don't know how far grsec goes, but depending on your OS and what level of isolation you need: systemd-nspawn, docker, lxc, libvirt, virtualbox, xen, etc.
• 2078[18:31:45] <PaddyF> nspawn, hmmm. okay thanks
• 2079[18:31:58] <petn-randall> The question is what you want to isolate your chroot from.
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• 2081[18:32:57] <petn-randall> If it's "accidentally incompatible system libraries", then all will do. For "I want to run malware in a quarantine" I'd probably take stronger stuff.
• 2082[18:33:05] <PaddyF> basically, i want to put the httpd in some kind of jail that in case of a successful exploit the attacker cant do much damage to the rest of the system
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• 2085[18:33:42] <PaddyF> because i intend to use a php wiki software and i dont trust it much
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• 2089[18:34:27] <nemo> PaddyF: a fairly rational attitude, although clearly people manage to run php on large thingies. Maybe replaced-url
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• 2091[18:34:38] <nemo> PaddyF: then they probably would only be able to hack the wiki, which they'd be able to do anyway
• 2092[18:34:44] <petn-randall> PaddyF: Maybe apparmor/selinux will also work?
• 2093[18:34:50] <nemo> that's assuming you trust php's disabling of those functions ☺
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• 2096[18:35:17] <PaddyF> apparmor could be good, i heard people said its easier to learn than selinux
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• 2100[18:36:19] <petn-randall> apparmor is the easier of the two, but selinux is more "formal" and more thorough.
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• 2103[18:37:13] <PaddyF> i tried to learn the basics of selinux a longer while ago. i must admit that i dont have the skills for that
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• 2105[18:37:34] <petn-randall> Yeah, the learning curve is ridiculous on that one.
• 2106[18:38:22] * PaddyF puts "apparmor" on the sketchboard then
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• 2108[18:43:30] <PaddyF> too bad, there is no httpd profile for apparmor yet. only planned for buster
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• 2111[18:44:51] <joepublic> it's a race. Will we learn apparmor first, or will Debian release buster first? Three, two, one... Go!
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• 2113[18:45:18] <PaddyF> :)
• 2114[18:45:40] <joepublic> No fair, debian has a head start
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• 2116[18:47:12] <PaddyF> maybe i should pickup the hint from a chat and hire an admin
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• 2123[18:50:58] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i'm on stable and i can't find libpthread
• 2124[18:51:13] <rocketmagnet> libpthreads
• 2125[18:51:15] <greycat> wooledg:~$ locate libpthread
• 2126[18:51:15] <greycat> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread-2.24.so
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• 2129[18:51:29] <rocketmagnet> apt-file search libpthreads don't show me a package
• 2130[18:51:42] <greycat> Because you keep putting an 's' on the end for some unknowable reason.
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• 2136[18:52:49] <petn-randall> PaddyF: What's your budget? ;)
• 2137[18:52:58] <rocketmagnet> find /usr -name libpthread also show me no result
• 2138[18:53:06] <rocketmagnet> oh /lib
• 2139[18:53:07] <PaddyF> petn-randall: ~ 30€/month
• 2140[18:53:17] <rocketmagnet> also no result =»
• 2141[18:53:22] <rocketmagnet> =#
• 2142[18:53:32] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread-2.24.so
• 2143[18:53:32] <greycat> libc6:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread-2.24.so
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• 2145[18:53:53] <greycat> -name 'libpthread*'
• 2146[18:54:04] <petn-randall> PaddyF: I'll politely nudge you to learn apparmor for that price ;)
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• 2148[18:54:08] <rocketmagnet> greycat: ups
• 2149[18:54:14] <PaddyF> petn-randall: hah!
• 2150[18:54:28] <nemo> PaddyF: heh. reminds me of the support contract w/ atlassian my boss initially bought
• 2151[18:54:49] <nemo> PaddyF: "But, I paid them $30 for support" "Yes, that $30 pays for someone to look at your email and tell you to ask for help on the forums"
• 2152[18:55:12] <nemo> (We are now on a more expensive one 😉 )
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• 2160[18:59:22] <PaddyF> i could spend the next months with selinux studies and become a highly paid person
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• 2167[19:01:07] <antto> is there a way to stop or restart the window manager without logging out?
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• 2175[19:03:37] <petn-randall> antto: no
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• 2177[19:03:45] <petn-randall> antto: What are you trying to achieve?
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• 2179[19:04:13] <antto> change to a different window manager without closing all my stuff right now
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• 2181[19:04:54] <PaddyF> next time you start you could put your stuff in tmux :P
• 2182[19:05:23] <antto> how would that help?
• 2183[19:05:41] <PaddyF> you dettach and reattach and everything is good
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• 2185[19:06:15] <antto> why do i think you assumed "my stuff" == "a pile of terminal windows"
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• 2187[19:07:06] <antto> wut if i kill teh window manag0r
• 2188[19:07:22] <antto> or is that too cruel
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• 2191[19:07:42] <antto> too windows-ish
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• 2195[19:08:45] <petn-randall> !tias
• 2196[19:08:45] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 2200[19:10:09] <joepublic> wut rong yer linguistic ability?
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• 2203[19:10:47] <antto> i type kiek dat wehn im not confident
• 2204[19:11:16] <joepublic> fair enough. good answer.
• 2205[19:12:08] <antto> killed it, hm
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• 2207[19:12:37] <antto> oh noes
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• 2209[19:13:22] <antto> ran the other one now, and it turns out it's one of those horrific "tiling" window managers
• 2210[19:13:25] <antto> nooooooooooo :~(
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• 2244[19:25:08] <SerajewelKS> antto: tiling window managers honestly are the best kind, once you figure out how to use them
• 2245[19:25:38] <antto> so it's like walking on a rope
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• 2248[19:26:09] <SerajewelKS> no it's like having a robot servant who does everything perfectly but speaks a weird language you have to learn first
• 2249[19:26:27] * antto is not convinced
• 2250[19:26:50] * antto thinks tiling window manager makes sense for terminal windows
• 2251[19:27:12] <antto> my screen ain't uber high-res, also
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• 2253[19:27:33] <SerajewelKS> use what you want, it's no skin off my back
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• 2256[19:27:50] <joepublic> Tell uncle if he gets a translator, make sure it speaks Bocce.
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• 2283[19:45:34] <grnc> hey what antivirus should I get for Debian 9?
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• 2297[19:51:09] <ksk> grnc: probably none. If you are living in a mixed environment with your computer, or handle mails locally and want to make sure to remove any windows viruses you could though
• 2298[19:51:33] <ksk> there is like one in the repos thats useable afaik, and I forgot its name.
• 2299[19:51:44] <PaddyF> clamav
• 2300[19:51:46] <ksk> "clamav" its called
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• 2302[19:52:07] <PaddyF> and there is amavis
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• 2305[19:52:19] <grnc> k ill look them up
• 2306[19:52:31] <ksk> grnc: there are "not so many" linux viruses around so to say - and also you could really, really argue if it would be reasonable to use one on windows, even.
• 2307[19:52:45] <PaddyF> i would be careful with such statements
• 2308[19:52:54] <grnc> yeah i know, most ppl make windows viruses
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• 2311[19:53:17] <PaddyF> giving people a false sense of security is bad
• 2312[19:53:21] <grnc> its just that its better to have one than to not have one, in my opinion
• 2313[19:53:30] <bendem> hi there, I'm looking at certbot and I see it has a systemd timer. But I can't tell whether it's working or not as I can't find where the logs are.
• 2314[19:53:43] <bendem> doesn't systemd keep information about timer runs?
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• 2317[19:54:35] <bendem> ah, I found it's, it's under systemctl list-timers
• 2318[19:55:51] <ksk> grnc: PaddyF And I just wanted to say that you could argue about that opinion. but lets keep it peacful in here ;)
• 2319[19:56:06] <PaddyF> its all good
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• 2324[20:00:02] <grnc> k i guess
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• 2327[20:00:40] <grnc> even if im probably never going to find a single infected file on my system i think it would be nice to have an antivirus
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• 2333[20:01:45] <joepublic> grnc, I do not think maldet nor checkrootkit are part of debian (could be wrong) but they might interest you.
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• 2344[20:04:47] <ksk> ,v -v Verify password. Verify that the given password matches the password of the user stored in the specified htpasswd file. Available in 2.4.5 and later.
• 2345[20:04:48] <judd> No package named '-v' was found in amd64.
• 2346[20:04:52] <ksk> mhmpf, sorry.
• 2347[20:04:56] <ksk> ,v rkhunter
• 2348[20:04:57] <judd> Package: rkhunter on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.0-1; wheezy-security: 1.4.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.4.2-0.4+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.2-6+deb9u1; buster: 1.4.6-4; sid: 1.4.6-4
• 2349[20:05:12] <ksk> is a rootkit detection tool available in debian.
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• 2353[20:05:57] <grnc> checkrootkit i guess
• 2354[20:06:40] <grnc> chkrootkit
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• 2357[20:07:45] <glongo> hello, I've just installed debian 9 and I have an issue with my video card which is an nvidia gt 520. the monitor resolution 2560x1440 is not available, what I can try to fix that?
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• 2362[20:08:53] <joepublic> glongo, available resolutions are usually the intersection of what the card is capable of and what the EDID says the monitor is capable of
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• 2364[20:09:34] <joepublic> you can try creating a modeline with cvt and adding it manually with xrandr.
• 2365[20:09:48] <glongo> joepublic: well, both the video card and monitor should support the resolution
• 2366[20:10:29] <joepublic> the problem with "should" is its nonbinding nature.
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• 2369[20:12:18] <glongo> I mean, I've already used this monitor with that resolution and here you can see the specs about the card: replaced-url
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• 2372[20:13:12] <glongo> I've tried also these commands:
• 2373[20:13:12] <glongo> cvt 2560 1440 30
• 2374[20:13:12] <glongo> xrandr --newmode "2560x1440_30.00" 146.25 2560 2680 2944 3328 1440 1443 1448 1468 -hsync +vsync
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• 2376[20:13:26] <joepublic> you have to add that mode to the monitor's interface
• 2377[20:13:27] <glongo> but xrandr is not happy: X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
• 2378[20:13:40] <glongo> I don't know what this error means
• 2379[20:14:13] <joepublic> in my experience xrandr is wont to give bizarre sounding errors, no offence to the fine, well-meaning people who coded them.
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• 2382[20:15:36] <joepublic> that xrandr --newmode looks sane to me.
• 2383[20:16:04] <joepublic> if you are using nouveau, perhaps ask in #nouveau ?
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• 2386[20:17:02] <glongo> I'm using nvidia-driver
• 2387[20:17:46] <joepublic> okay. sorry I wasn't much help and hopefully someone familiar with nvidia drivers will know something.
• 2388[20:18:06] <glongo> thank you!
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• 2450[20:52:24] <wwilliam> anyone really good with curl here please?
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• 2452[20:52:54] <greycat> !anyone
• 2453[20:52:55] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 2454[20:53:11] <joepublic> I am willing to bet that there people here good with curl.
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• 2457[20:54:00] <PaddyF> i feel good when i can curl up on the sofa
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• 2460[20:54:38] <joepublic> curl is like a lightsaber (without the light), an elegant tool for a more civilized age. Not as clumsy or random as wget.
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• 2462[20:55:03] <greycat> Severed arms and heads everywhere.
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• 2468[20:57:46] <joepublic> cat <(curl this)
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• 2472[20:59:34] <PaddyF> linux-stretch-root-next-bananapi is a strange package name
• 2473[21:00:27] <ksk> joepublic: you are strong with start wars quotes :D
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• 2475[21:00:51] <joepublic> Okay, whatever, but I think your hair dryer's broken.
• 2476[21:01:13] <PaddyF> well
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• 2488[21:05:07] <PaddyF> can i talk to those remote hands via this channel?
• 2489[21:05:33] <PaddyF> these uninvited guests start to amuse me
• 2490[21:06:19] <PaddyF> i type "apt-cache show linux-stretch-root-next-bananapi" and they repeat it 5 times
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• 2492[21:06:27] <PaddyF> like in kid school
• 2493[21:06:43] <PaddyF> <3
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• 2521[21:20:02] <Tarrasquero> buenas
• 2522[21:20:18] <Tarrasquero> upss, sry
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• 2525[21:21:01] <joepublic> sup
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• 2531[21:24:49] <PaddyF> we didnt have password changes for a while. or deleted coding and writing attempts. just these pseudo sublime lectures
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• 2534[21:25:07] <PaddyF> i need more guidance, please
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• 2536[21:26:07] <greycat> Don't take any wooden nickels. Look before you leap. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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• 2542[21:26:59] <PaddyF> that will keep me busy for a while
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• 2557[21:32:26] <SerajewelKS> you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him count your chickens before they've hatched over troubled water
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• 2566[21:36:50] <joepublic> Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them. Search your feelings.
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• 2570[21:38:52] <PaddyF> when i close my eyes i see a group of people that is devided in a similar way than those people who play Ingress. and it seems that i am in the middle
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• 2573[21:39:17] <PaddyF> like i need to decide which side i want
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• 2575[21:39:30] <jcb2016> why would one use aptitude over apt?
• 2576[21:39:42] <greycat> It's fancier.
• 2577[21:39:52] <jcb2016> greycat do you use it?
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• 2579[21:40:10] <joepublic> jcb2016, once in a while its way of offering multiple ways to resolve dependency conflicts is handy if you don't like apt/apt-get's take-it-or-leave-it approach
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• 2581[21:40:16] <greycat> Only on very rare occasions when I want to query something that aptitude can tell me, but which apt-cache can't.
• 2582[21:40:29] <jcb2016> ok cool
• 2583[21:40:52] <joepublic> I read in the distant past that aptitude was the future, but the writers weren't capable futurists.
• 2584[21:40:57] <__m4ch1n3__> because you can play minesweeper in it
• 2585[21:41:00] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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• 2587[21:41:04] <jcb2016> lol
• 2588[21:41:32] <ksk> jcb2016: aptitude has a "why" switch, wich tells you why a package was installed (like as requirement of other software) - afaik apt-get does not have that
• 2589[21:41:33] <SerajewelKS> aptitude is great when you need to install multiple things and aren't sure what you're looking for going in
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• 2591[21:41:46] <nemo> PaddyF: replaced-url
• 2592[21:41:46] <SerajewelKS> i run it with the ncurses interface just to poke around
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• 2594[21:42:40] <__m4ch1n3__> yes the brows packages like in synaptic functionality is not bad and doesnt need X server, but if you run Xserver i would use synapitc
• 2595[21:42:46] <__m4ch1n3__> *browse
• 2596[21:42:49] <somiaj> jcb2016: A lot of the reason why has changed, but dpkg has some older factoids about this like /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why apt-get
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• 2598[21:43:42] <jcb2016> somiaj ok thanks
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• 2600[21:43:47] <somiaj> jcb2016: though as apt evoloved, it started to incorpriate some of aptitudes features. The main features aptitude has that apt dosen't is a very robust search function and a curses ui for (as opposed to just command line)
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• 2602[21:44:29] <somiaj> jcb2016: also /msg dpkg why not aptitude and /msg dpkg why not apt-get (note these are somewhat dated)
• 2603[21:44:34] <__m4ch1n3__> think it had also "tasks" that allowed to install package sets like "desktop" or "server"
• 2604[21:44:38] <joepublic> or course, dselect supports ncurses, but nobody uses that.
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• 2608[21:46:41] <jcb2016> lol __m4ch1n3__ whats an app without minesweepers right? :D
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• 2620[21:54:35] <__m4ch1n3__> is there a manpage for the dpkg bot in this channel?
• 2621[21:54:51] <greycat> no
• 2622[21:55:02] <greycat> !dpkg
• 2623[21:55:02] <dpkg> i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 2624[21:55:05] <joepublic> what a great missed opportunity to say "sure, just type man dpkg"
• 2625[21:55:06] <greycat> !dpkgbot
• 2626[21:55:06] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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• 2629[21:56:07] <__m4ch1n3__> ahh thank you
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• 2654[22:09:03] <__m4ch1n3__> the dpkgbot wiki pointed me to debians ultimate database, thats pretty awesome! wish i had know about its exsitence before
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• 2657[22:09:28] <greycat> Yeah. Judd here is an interface to it.
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• 2785[23:19:03] <JyZyXEL> i try get openvpn installed on stretch but get this: % cd /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/sample-keys/ && ./gen-sample-keys.sh :(
• 2786[23:19:04] <JyZyXEL> ./gen-sample-keys.sh: 18: ./gen-sample-keys.sh: ./../../src/openvpn/openvpn: not found
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• 2817[23:31:07] <ksk> JyZyXEL: not sure, but afaik you are supposed to copy these files over to /etc/opevpn
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• 2821[23:31:19] <ksk> I advise reading the documentation ;)
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• 2823[23:31:34] <JyZyXEL> this is what the README said to do
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• 2826[23:32:05] <ksk> then I don't know, sorry.
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