8[00:06:03] <OerHeks> check if the logs are within sizes
"journalctl --disk-usage"
9[00:06:39] <OerHeks> logrotate would solve this?
10[00:09:01] <jmcnaught> journald.conf(5) has
RateLimitIntervalSec= and RateLimitBurst= which might help. If
it's the journal that filled the drive then there's also
SystemMaxFileSize= and SystemMaxFiles=.
96[01:24:00] <meejah> hello, for backing up a debian machine to
'the cloud', i'm looking at using
duplicity+backblazeb2 .. is there an existing thing that can make
this less data (e.g. just back up installed package list, ignoring
most binaries etc)
104[01:29:53] *** icarusfactor is now known as factor
105[01:31:36] <ZamenhofGanymede> or do you mean more reducing
the bandwidth required to do incremental backups?
106[01:33:19] *** jelly-home is now known as jelly
107[01:33:58] <jelly> meejah: the simplest thing to do is backup
everything. Excluding eg. /usr _will_ make your restore process more
complex.
108[01:34:01] <meejah> ZamenhofGanymede: I'm meaning,
reduce the total size by not backing up stuff i could get back with
"install these debian packages" (approximately)
109[01:34:41] <meejah> jelly: yeah i get that, i don't
*just* want an ignore list, i was wondering if there's "a
backup solution for Debian systems" which also knows how to
restore
110[01:35:00] <jelly> none that I know of. I do the simple
thing.
136[01:59:42] <storrgie> have there been any updates in the last
48 hours for sid that would have affected intel wifi? I'm
seemingly unable to scan for wireless with my laptop today.
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141[02:01:41] <annadane> !debian-next
142[02:01:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
211[03:00:21] <Gerowen> I mean I don't have any personal
information stored there, but it is a site that processes usernames
and passwords for logging in, over an unencrypted connection.
289[04:00:44] <Okee> Can someone advise on how I can create a
home directory, and move things over to it? I don't think the
directory structure is setup correctly on this computer. This is my
current directory structure
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290[04:01:58] <themill> If it's a single user machine,
there's nothing wrong with having everything in one partition
like that
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320[04:13:48] <Okee> libreVodka> Yesterday someone pointed
out that having /home in its own directory can potentially save your
data when recovering from a crash.
321[04:14:29] <libreVodka> well home is a directory no matter
what, you mean partition?
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333[04:20:32] <themill> In terms of "saving data after a
crash", what sort of crash are you talking about... if
it's a dead hard disk, then being on a different partition
doesn't help you.
334[04:20:57] <Okee> command usermod isn't found in Debian
stable.
344[04:26:16] <Okee> The xfce-screenshooter doesn't seem to
work in Debian stable. I can't select a directory nor location
to save a sceenshot, and it just shows a Gimp directory by default.
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391[05:01:31] <Debian_Noob> Hello. I have a device with 2 wifi
interfaces. I have wlan0 set up as an AP, and wlan1 as a traditional
wifi connection to another AP. I do not have network manager
installed. I use /etc/network/interfaces to bring up both
interfaces. Upon boot wlan1 comes up, however wlan0 does not and
therefor isc-dhcp-server fails. Right after boot I can successfully
run ifup wlan0 with no errors then systemctl start isc-dhcp-server
successfully. My question,
392[05:01:32] <Debian_Noob> where can I find out why wlan0 is
not fully coming up during boot, causing isc-shcp-dhcp-server to
fail?
396[05:03:17] <DarkTrick> Question about `apt-cache unmet`: It
shows a huge list of apps with unmet dependencies. But everything
seems to work fine. Can someone tell me what would be the
purpose/usefulness of that command?
397[05:04:03] <themill> They will be suggested or recommended
packages, not dependencies
398[05:04:46] <themill> Recommends should be filled unless you
have a specific reason that you know that they should not be; apt
will let you break recommends freely.
399[05:05:15] <themill> Suggests are always much more of the
"FYI, this other package might be relevant to you if
you're installing this one"
400[05:05:42] <themill> foo suggests foo-doc, sort of thing
401[05:05:47] <DarkTrick> themill, man apt-cache says
"unmet displays a summary of all unmet dependencies in the
package cache"
402[05:06:18] <themill> Suggests and Recommends are both
dependencies, just weaker than Depends.
403[05:06:36] <themill> (Conflicts, Replaces and Breaks are also
dependencies)
408[05:09:25] <DarkTrick> how high is the possibility, that
there are dependencies listed (as "Depends:"), that are
actually obsolete? (The dev/ package maintainer failed to remove
them)
417[05:17:09] <themill> DarkTrick: quite a few Depends are
actually autogenerated based on information in the compiled binary
about what libraries it links to or based on information in a python
setup.py; there are undoubtedly old unneeded dependencies that
no-one has noticed, but I suspect they're not that common
456[05:42:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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492[06:11:06] <SerajewelKS> i have a tinc VPN where the
interface is added to a bridge as part of the tinc-up script.
however, the tinc systemd unit doesn't depend on the network
actually being up, so this part of the script fails. the rest
succeeds, so on a reboot i have the VPN running but not bridged.
restarting tinc fixes it.
569[07:09:06] <maxrazer> SerajewelKS, unattended-upgrades is
installed by default, but not the "Software & Updates"
tool to set it package name "software-properties-gtk".
570[07:10:12] <maxrazer> Automatic updates are on by default
with Gnome desktop install of Debian according to the wiki on
unattended upgrades.
644[08:17:51] <SwK> so I need to force ahci to be the first scsi
driver then other drivers to fall after that. (i forget how long
ago) you used to be able to do something like specify
scsihosts=ahci,foo,etc as a kernel boot param but that seems
possibly deprecated. can anyone point me in the right direction?
827[10:20:47] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8
"Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will
receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via
<jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime
total. See
replaced-url
879[10:48:06] <themill> that's missing the jessie-lts
uploads for some reason; grab the source package itself instead
880[10:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1578
881[10:49:02] <choice> ratrace: So this seems to be the list:
replaced-url
882[10:49:11] <choice> Is that ordered chronologically?
883[10:50:03] <themill> ,v src:php5
884[10:50:03] <ratrace> choice: I don't know, but the
series file (linked from that page) will show you the order in which
the patches are supposed to be applied
888[10:52:24] <ratrace> choice: not all packages will have
patchfiles numbered neatly like that, so the series file is really
the reference for the order of patch application
916[11:15:38] <Night_Elf> Can "ss" show the pid of the
process that is using a connection? I am trying to check for the
usage of a tcp port (4404), and i do "ss | grep 4404"
945[11:36:31] <yuriii> Hi. If i have to similar package
versions. One with an epoch prefix and one without. Say 1:4.0.0 and
4.0.0 . Which one is considered to be newer?
946[11:36:33] <hypersoul> anyone who use bumblebee
947[11:36:50] <hypersoul> i have a problem . i need help..
948[11:36:56] <hypersoul> optirun app
949[11:37:02] <hypersoul> output: [ 4108.725202] [ERROR]Cannot
access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module
"mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
950[11:37:02] <hypersoul> [ 4108.725245] [ERROR]Aborting because
fallback start is disabled.
958[11:41:15] <yuriii> AFIAK the one with epoch set to 1 is
newer. Since if the epoch is ommited it is considered to be zero.
According to documentation at least.
968[11:43:19] <dpkg> The canonical way to test whether one
version string is considered greater than another is by testing an
assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1
&& echo true». See also
replaced-url
997[12:04:42] <petan> hello it seems that my server didn't
assign IPv6 address to eth1 after reboot, is there a way to add it
now without restarting the network stack or losing the connectivity
on IPv4 address on same interface?
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999[12:05:03] <petan> all guides I found on internet contain
either restart of network stack or ifdown / ifup which i want to
avoif
1005[12:10:11] <ratrace> don't forget to add any routes with
'ip -6 route add ...' if necessary
1006[12:10:11] <petan> yeah, I just did that, it created a
"tentative" IP, which I can ping from localhost, but not
from internet... maybe I need to add some routing as well
1016[12:13:49] <petan> ratrace: it works now, can you maybe have
a look at my /etc/network/interfaces
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1017[12:14:33] <petan> also ifdown and ifup don't work for
eth1 at all, ifdown say ifdown: interface eth1 not configured and
ifup say that device already exist :D
1028[12:24:34] <ratrace> petan: not sure if that's the cause
of any issues but, you don't need to modprobe, and netmask is
deprecated, use the cidr format for ipv6
1029[12:24:52] <ratrace> infact, I don't think that netmask
is valid at all
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1063[12:47:03] <uio> Hello. There is printer I use sometimes that
can print from flash drive. Would it possible to print directly from
a laptop with some kind of usb cord? I'd like to avoid anything
network related and it is pretty spotty. I want to avoid using a
flash drive because it means that I have lots of files that are
unprotected.
1083[13:09:00] <uio> n_1-c_k, Habbie Hmmmm. So it would be kind
of tricky to plug a cord into my laptop and the printer and have my
laptop show up as an flash-drive even if I've turned on the
laptop?
1086[13:09:50] <Habbie> because then you have two masters on the
same USB bus and that's not how USB works
1087[13:09:58] <Habbie> (might be different in USB3 and USBC,
i'm not an expert)
1088[13:10:46] <uio> Hmmm. Would you have any other suggestions
for the situation? Basically, how can 1) print without the network
and 2) protect my files against loss/theft?
1089[13:11:13] <Habbie> 1) connect to the usb port of the printer
2) only put the file you want to print on the usb stick
1094[13:11:54] <Habbie> colo-work, yes, but to my knowledge, you
need physical ports that can 'host' that
1095[13:11:57] <Habbie> colo-work, like on a pi zero
1096[13:12:17] <Habbie> Many Linux systems will not be able to
use it, since they only have PC-style USB Host (master) hardware in
a PC, workstation, or server. But when you're putting together
embedded Linux systems, a USB peripheral controller option is
routine
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1119[13:28:15] <uio> BCMM, Good quesiton, and (hopefully) the
solution (that maybe should have been obvious to me, but
wasn't). I'm not sure. It's one of those big office
printers. There is only the usb port which is accessible (easily).
1120[13:28:34] <BCMM> uio: well, what does the USB port look
like?
1121[13:28:55] <BCMM> i mean if it's only got a USB-B port,
then yeah, it can probably only accept USB sticks
1132[13:30:34] <uio> BCMM, I should know, but I don't... the
printer itself is quite new - it has a touch screen for the job
settings rather than buttons. I think that the usb port is intended
for use with flash drives (both print from and scan to), but
don't know if it is A or B.
1133[13:30:47] <Habbie> if you can stick a flash drive in it
1134[13:30:49] <Habbie> it's an A
1135[13:31:16] <BCMM> uio: does it have a model number printed
somewhere visible? you can probably find a manual with full specs
more easily than you can get at teh back of the machine
1136[13:32:25] <uio> BCMM, Hmmm. I don't have access to it
at the moment. But I'll check when I do. This would probably be
the best way forward.
1137[13:32:34] <Habbie> assuming you're allowed to access
that port
1138[13:32:36] <uio> Habbie, Oh.
1139[13:32:39] <Habbie> in many organisations, you're not
1140[13:32:54] <uio> Habbie, The flash drive port?
1141[13:33:06] <Habbie> i meant the B port
1142[13:33:08] <Habbie> for connecting to the laptop
1143[13:33:10] <uio> Habbie, Ah.
1144[13:33:31] <uio> Habbie, Right. It would probably look shady
at best :)
1152[13:35:17] <BCMM> uio: i'm not sure i get it... why are
these files too sensitive to put on a USB stick? you're
printing them out on a printer which doesn't seem to be 100%
private
1153[13:35:39] <BCMM> uio: can't you just put literally just
the file you want to print on the USB stick, print it, and then put
it back in the laptop and overwrite the file?
1154[13:35:45] <Habbie> i'm also unclear on what problem we
are actually solving, yes
1156[13:36:32] <whislock> Overwriting the file even seems
pointless at that point, if you've sent the entire file through
another processing system that you have no control over.
1157[13:36:47] <BCMM> or, like, apply whatever physical security
measures you are applying to the printouts to the USB stick too
1158[13:37:29] <uio> BCMM, They're not at all
ultra-sensitive. Let me try again: I have a work laptop and a home
laptop (which I also work on in the 'work' account). I
sync files between the two via Unison and a flash drive. These files
are notes for meetings, personal notes and the like. I don't
just anyone getting their hands on them (though it would'nt be
the end of the world if they did, but I wouldn't be comforable
with it).
1159[13:37:29] <Habbie> BCMM, but you can't apply those
measures to the queueing system used inside the printer..
1160[13:37:54] <uio> I also use that flahs drive for printing.
1161[13:37:56] <Habbie> these questions often quickly devolve
into 'not printing' or 'a 30USD inkjet on every
desk'
1162[13:38:11] <uio> Because it is convenient.
1163[13:38:26] <BCMM> uio: the bit i'm trying to understand
is "I want to avoid using a flash drive because it means that I
have lots of files that are unprotected."
1164[13:38:42] <uio> But, as some of you are suggesting, just
copying the necessary files for printing might be best.
1166[13:39:23] <uio> BCMM, I right, because to print from a flash
drive, I can't use LUKS, so if I lose the flash drive, someone
gets a few Gs of my data.
1167[13:39:41] <uio> *right, because...
1168[13:39:42] <BCMM> uio: maybe get a second flash drive
that's just for files you want to print
1169[13:39:56] <uio> BCMM, Yeah, it's looking like the best
solution for now.
1170[13:40:10] <BCMM> uio: or even a small unencrypted partition
on the same flash drive
1171[13:40:16] <uio> My current setup is more convenient, but
less secure for sure.
1172[13:40:22] <uio> BCMM, Ah! I like that one.
1173[13:40:40] <uio> Hmmm. Of course, I could have like a few Ms
for a printing section.
1174[13:40:56] <BCMM> this is a wild guess, but the printer
probably just expects the first partition to be fat32 (maybe also
exfat these days), and ignores all other partitions
1175[13:40:56] <uio> Could I still LUKS the other part though?
1176[13:41:05] <BCMM> sure
1177[13:41:12] <uio> BCMM, You're probably right.
1178[13:41:18] <uio> I quite like this solution.
1179[13:41:46] <Habbie> yes
1180[13:42:02] <Habbie> if you don't want to deal with two
flash drives, this is a good approach
1181[13:42:03] <uio> If the print partition is small, then would
new files right over the old ones often? This would be ideal for
securely deleting information I think.
1198[13:45:13] <uio> Rather than going through the cloud? The
only functions of the encrypted parition would be to sync data and
to back it up (I also do real incremental backups too, not just
sync).
1199[13:45:44] <uio> BCMM, Noob quesiton: would an ethernet cable
between two laptops work?
1203[13:46:31] <BCMM> these days you don't even have to make
sure it's a special crossover cable, because nearly everything
can automatically detect that
1212[13:47:53] <BCMM> uio: on the USB cable thing, cos i already
typed it out: USB is not a peer-to-peer protocol. there is always a
"host" and a "gadget" in USB. unless you have a
port that is electronically (i.e. in hardware) capable of acting as
a Gadget, you can't connect to another computer over USB
1220[13:49:04] <BCMM> uio: however, a few companies *do* make
special USB "cables" that can connect two computers
together. the trick is that they actually have a chip inside that
does some magic, so the "cable" actually shows up as a
pair of USB network adaptors
1221[13:49:08] <BCMM> uio: yeah
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1225[13:50:01] <uio> Okay, I think I have the information I
needed. Thanks everyone for answering my noob question. Oh, I have
one last one: is the debhelper limiting thing to avoid some sort of
attack?
1226[13:50:35] <BCMM> i think it's supposed to stop a large
number of people all joining at the same time? not sure though
1230[13:51:16] <r4m1> I have an embedded computer runnning debian
9 where I am logging some system constants such as the available
free space. I get the freespace running df at regular interval. I
have recently learned in this very same channel that deleting
rsyslog file (such as /var/log/syslog) without restarting the
program might cause files to be kept on disk and even growing
without even noticing they are here anymore
1233[13:52:26] <r4m1> in the logs I see that the df report
suddenly drops from 95% to 40% disk usage without any particular
interventions. I known that some manual cleaning had been performed
and 40% should be the real figure
1240[13:53:55] <r4m1> does anyone have an idea why df suddely
reported 40% instead of 90% disk usage ? Could it be another
programm that was holding other files ? Could it be another reason ?
1275[14:08:03] <uio> Do you people roll with the included BIOS or
do you replace it? If you don't replace it, does this undermine
any and all security layers thereafter?
1276[14:08:09] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: anyway, in direct answer
to your question: you will need the program that loads the firmware
as well as the firmware image itself
1277[14:08:35] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: assuming you're going
to use it in the normal way as opposed to rolling your own BIOS or
something
1278[14:08:39] <dgp> uio: There aren't many machines that
can use totally free software from power on
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1282[14:09:17] <NetTerminalGene> BCMM, thanks
1283[14:09:25] <NetTerminalGene> :/
1284[14:09:43] <aypea[1]> sweet mother of mercy. the mobile
nvidia chipsets are total powerhogs. went from using 22-28W to 7W
just by turning it off. it wasn't even in active use.
1285[14:10:09] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: what's the concern
with using the non-free repo, though? is it accidentally installing
other non-free packages, or do you specifically want to avoid
unexpected updates to the intel microcode?
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1369[14:56:54] <BCMM> koollman: +1 to what colo-work said. use
`make oldconfig` with the config from Debian's kernel, and
`make bindeb-pkg` to do everything else
1399[15:06:26] <koollman> colo-work: multi (more than 2) node
setup, and a few other nice things to automate storage handling.
I'm still not entirely sure I want to go this way, but it would
be nice to use the most recent major version anyway
1400[15:06:38] <colo-work> ok
1401[15:06:52] <colo-work> so, basically, a fair bit of sns ;)
1402[15:06:57] <HicksD> The only downside to upgrade in place is
that you won't be moved onto the "new defaults" of a
new release. Which on the flip side is also a plus for some :)
1407[15:09:26] <greycat> Every once in a while, you may get
bitten by something like "my nsswitch.conf file from 10 years
ago still said files instead of compat, and it didn't matter
until now", but the pain of a full reinstall is usually much
greater than the pain of fixing these little issues.
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1412[15:10:59] <greycat> I always make sure to document these on
the wiki as I discover them, if I believe they're something
that will affect more people than just me.
1425[15:15:52] <koollman> hardcoded path in strongly-opiniated
scripts (or config-management), like "/usr should be a
directory" or "should be a mountpoint" :)
1426[15:16:50] <greycat> I'm aware of at least one package
that hardcodes the new /usr/bin/ path for some common program that
used to be in /bin, and still *is* in /bin if you didn't
usrmerge, and a bug has been filed for it.
1428[15:17:32] <koollman> the other obvious point that will be
painful to me is nftables, but that's quite harder to handle
'right'
1429[15:17:38] <greycat> The real bug of course is that you
should not hard-code ANY paths for ANY of the common unix commands.
Just use "chmod" or "rmdir" or whatever, and let
$PATH sort it out.
1431[15:18:01] <koollman> some have to be hardcoded
1432[15:18:14] <greycat> No, they do not.
1433[15:18:15] <koollman> for example, you cannot expect
'env' to be found in a script that uses it
1434[15:18:26] <greycat> That's in a shebang only.
1435[15:18:41] <koollman> that's still a common hardcoded
point :)
1436[15:18:41] <greycat> Shebangs are a whole separate issue.
1437[15:19:24] <koollman> and once you decided on one hardcoded
env path, you cannot expect to use env for the rest of shebang uses.
so ... still causes troubles :)
1438[15:20:09] <greycat> Again, shebangs are a separate issue.
I'm talking about the rest of the script.
1439[15:20:40] <greycat> You can have an entire religious war
about shebangs. I do not want to have that war right now.
1441[15:20:58] <koollman> oh, not declaring any side. just
pointing out
1442[15:21:04] <koollman> for the rest it is probably mostly ok.
I know some of my older setups would have broken hard. I hope the
companies using them have migrated to something smarter :)
1443[15:21:51] <koollman> (I've setup pxe nfsroot env with
explicitely split /usr, for example. not sure how it would work.
maybe it would be mostly transparent though)
1564[16:35:55] <SwK> anyone know in Debian 10 how to specify
SAS/SATA HBA driver load order on the kernel command line in the
boot loader fig (ie: grub or ipxe)? example I want it to load ahci
first but it keeps loading mpt3sas
1568[16:36:27] <aypea[1]> swk: honest question: why do you need
this? fstab requirements?
1569[16:36:36] <SwK> preseed
1570[16:37:25] <SwK> and keeping the boot drive which happens to
be on ahci at a consistent location in the sytem when the number of
drives hanging off the LSI SAS HBA can vary
1581[16:40:22] <aypea[1]> don't understand. and, well, one
way to do what you'd want, I'd say, is to make sure that
they are all modules and that they are loaded in a particular order
in initrd. seems like much work.
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1583[16:40:34] <aypea[1]> I just used lvm and stopped caring
1584[16:40:55] <Jade_NL> ~
1585[16:41:07] <SwK> use case you have a set of servers with 1
(or more) SSDs on the AHCI controller for booting the system, you
have say an LSI SAS 2308 with 4 - 24 drives on the system... preseed
isnt smart enough to say "hey pick the 400G SSD not the 4 to
10TB SATAs for your boot/root filesystems...
1620[16:57:21] <vsayikiran> I am trying to edit xkb layout and
variants to enable multilevel keyboard maps(5th level modofier). I
researched in google and found that individual unicode characters
needs to written in its unicode format except for those chars which
are defined in keysymdef.h file.....Please let me know the location
in debian buster edition
1658[17:14:52] <teclo-> afternoon... a clean install of Debian
10.1, I login as root, and the first commande I use: aptitude... all
I get is: "bash: aptitude: command not found" ... ouch !
1676[17:24:30] <storrgie> Is there a good guide on doing a
non-installer based install with debootstrap? I'd like to
attempt to use systemd-boot instead of grub
1695[17:29:38] <greycat> well, judd's not responding :( you
can use apt-file locally, or you can use packages.debian.org, to
figure out which package contains this C header file
1699[17:31:28] <vsayikiran> dvs: anyway I checked the content of
file, I did not get what i want. Does any have idea if we can edit
/usr/share/x11/xkb/symbols/<country code> layout files, edit
the variants using unicode alphabet names instead of unicode numbers
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1702[17:32:30] <dvs> no idea
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1704[17:32:59] <DrOwl> on my Debian 10 system i get "#
locate keysymdef.h -> /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h ; # dpkg -S
/usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h -> x11proto-dev:
/usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h"
1706[17:33:45] <greycat> it's turning into an X-Y problem
anyway... seems he doesn't actually want to compile X11 client
programs, but rather, wants to do something involving the
configuration of his key mappings (?)
1707[17:33:47] <vsayikiran> DrOwl : since you have installed
x11proto-dev package , anyway i do not need that package......
1713[17:34:19] <judd> Search for bin/ls in buster/amd64:
coreutils: bin/ls; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/ls; 9base:
usr/lib/plan9/bin/ls
1714[17:34:23] <vsayikiran> greycat: you are correct. I want to
edit custom layout and variants file
1715[17:34:41] <KBme> Hello. I have an issue with debconf: I am
asking a question in postinst and have a template for it. It is a
select type. My issue is that my first db_get returns
"ok", and only the second db_get returns the actual
answer. Is this normal behaviour?
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1717[17:34:52] <greycat> ,info coreutils
1718[17:34:53] <judd> Package coreutils (utils, required) in
buster/amd64: GNU core utilities. Version: 8.30-3; Size: 2644.5k;
Installed: 15719k; Homepage:
replaced-url
1719[17:34:57] <greycat> welcome back, judd
1720[17:34:58] <vsayikiran> but with unicode alphabet names
instead of unicode hex digits which is cumbersome
1727[17:35:53] <Ayushman> is there any plan to roll out HTTPS for
the APT GET by default anytime soon ? i mean we have had all kinds
of ssl exploits like heartbleed and done with that and yet ...
1728[17:35:55] <greycat> rocketmagnet: apt-cache show pkgname, or
apt show pkgname
1729[17:36:12] <jelly> rocketmagnet: apt show packagename
1732[17:38:25] <jelly> Ayushman: looking inside the ssl
encapsulation would only enable the MITM to see which packages
you're downloading, not change them. apt repository's
Valid-Until header also ensures you will notice if a repo mirror is
old, in case MITM person is intentionally giving you old repos
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1774[17:47:36] <greycat> Ayushman: did you read
replaced-url
1775[17:48:22] <p8m> Ayushman: release files are signed so
modified files will be rejected
1776[17:48:31] <jelly> Ayushman: now, given that apt a) has
foreknowledge of valid repo keys and b) repo sigs expire quickly,
explain what exactly the hacker can do with that ability
1797[17:55:51] <Gigglebyte> Can someone offer advice on how to
recover a messed up installation? I was able to log in yesterday
through the recovery console using the lost password commands for
Stretch, but today it isn't working. I am at the command prompt
after botting in through Safemode.
1805[17:59:01] <SwK> so barring a kernel parameter solution,
anyone know how to deterministically specify a boot device for
preseed when you cant know which /dev/sdX it will be because you
cant predict device enumeration?
1809[18:01:17] <SwK> colo-work only if you know how to predict
what that will be with 0 foreknowledge of the hardware other than it
will be a SSD about approx size on ahci not on mpt[2/3]sas
1811[18:02:46] <Ayushman> jelly, replying earlier question, if
repo sigs expire quickly then there is no way of telling if the repo
packages are genuine or exploited piece of software. i guess
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1835[18:11:39] <Ayushman> Tor is good, but too many people use
TOR, and that has made TOR too slow, they should come up with side
project, something like TOR-LITE where TOR-browser will disable
video and other media files of heavy bandwidth usage. that will
ensure TOR-LITE will be of good band width used for privacy use and
much stable.
1836[18:12:00] <Ayushman> that will also ensure many folks would
opt to be TOR-LITE server volunteers
1837[18:12:10] <Ayushman> as it would not take too much bandwidth
1838[18:12:32] <Gigglebyte> EmperoEugene> My /home and /root
partitions are separate
1841[18:15:49] <Gigglebyte> EmperoEugene> I can't get the
password reset feature to work. I entered "e", and at the
end of the linux line typed init=/bin/bash, received a credential
input screen, but the system isn't allowing me to enter. This
is a messed up system and someone put volatile files on here.
However, the boot didn't fail until a failed attempt at
upgrading to Buster occurred. I didn't realize someone put
volatile on here. This started out as
1842[18:15:49] <Gigglebyte> a stable istallation.
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1859[18:22:20] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1860[18:22:24] <letterrip> thanks to the individual who helped me
do a chroot install the other day
1861[18:22:26] <Gigglebyte> I did try reseting grub to (hd0), but
that is the only thing I have done this morning.
1862[18:22:33] <letterrip> everything is working fine
1863[18:22:54] <letterrip> !buster-backports
1864[18:22:55] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
1865[18:23:40] <letterrip> can buster-backports be enabled
currently? I see the directory on the ftp-server but if I add it to
synaptic it complains
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1874[18:27:00] <aypea[1]> hah. compiling my linux kernel costs
33-57W (33W for modules - don't think it can parallelise as
well as core) for 8m50s. Hmm. I could work out how much it costs me
to compile a kernel from this. :)
1875[18:27:02] <greycat> Gigglebyte: why are you convinced that
changing your root password will fix things?
1876[18:27:20] <jhutchins_wk> letterrip: The actual error message
is a lot more useful than the simple fact that it exists.
1877[18:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> !backports
1878[18:27:29] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
1879[18:29:13] <letterrip> jhutchins_wk, was curious if it was
possible currently; if not then the error message wouldn't be
useful
1880[18:29:26] <letterrip> jhutchins_wk, so is the answer
'yes it is possible' :)
1885[18:31:21] <greycat> Gigglebyte: the only reason to follow
!ifrpw ("i forgot root's password") is if you
can't login as root on a tty console, and you can't su,
and you can't sudo.
1886[18:31:42] <greycat> Gigglebyte: if the problem you have is
*regular* users can't login, that's a different question.
1887[18:32:15] <Gigglebyte> greycat> What do you recommend? I
am currently at root@(none):/#
1910[18:38:23] <jhutchins_wk> letterrip: Actually, it might just
not be fully configured yet, there do appear to be packages:
replaced-url
1911[18:38:56] <letterrip> jhutchins_wk, so documentation has
been updated but the backend hasn't :)
1912[18:38:57] <jhutchins_wk> letterrip: deb
replaced-url
1913[18:38:58] <letterrip> gotha
1914[18:39:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1593
1915[18:39:23] <jhutchins_wk> letterrip: Possibly. I see some
documentation (the path to browse the package) isn't updated
yet.
1916[18:39:23] <Gigglebyte> greycat> system won't boot.
Right now I get this line that says ]Astart job is running for
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-,etc. After awhile, a boot menu shows up, but it
doesn't recognize my credentials.
1917[18:39:56] <Gigglebyte> I am at the login screen.
1918[18:40:09] <Gigglebyte> Doesn't recognize my password.
2047[19:29:27] <amrasouli79> Hello I am new to Linux world and
and recently I was Downloaded Debian last versian but the problem is
screen rorated 90deg to right
2049[19:29:59] <amrasouli79> How I can solve this problem?
2050[19:30:09] <Gigglebyte> I tried resetting the password for
pdq, but receive an error message indicating that password pdq does
not exist. I followed instructions found at
replaced-url
2062[19:34:13] <maxrazer> Why can't I set "when there
are other updates" (other than security) option in the
"Software & Updates" tool? I'm trying to turn
unattended upgrades on.
2070[19:36:13] <Gigglebyte> greycat> I get an error message
indicating that the user doesn't exist when running passwd user
at the command line. Any thoughts on how to fix this? This is a
messed up system, but I am hoping I can bootup, and get inside.
2071[19:36:18] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, also what DE?
2072[19:36:54] <greycat> Gigglebyte: So you *did* get to a
command line. Possibly using init=/bin/sh. Well then, my next guess
is that you have messed up or deleted your /etc/nsswitch.conf file.
2074[19:37:07] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:What is DE?
2075[19:37:25] <Gigglebyte> greycat> What do you recommend at
this point?
2076[19:37:34] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, DE = desktop environment.
2077[19:37:36] <greycat> Gigglebyte: (1) does /etc/nsswitch.conf
exist at all? (2) what does grep passwd: /etc/nsswith.conf say?
2078[19:37:38] <maxrazer> Actually I can't change the
downloadable from internet options either where you select main,
contrib, non-free. I did that in the sources.list file though.
2096[19:43:24] <greycat> I'm not sure where to find a
"regular" Debian buster nsswitch.conf file online.
There's a sample in the glibc source code, but that isn't
Debian's.
2097[19:43:44] <greycat> I've never installed buster, so all
of mine are from older releases...
2102[19:45:57] <greycat> libc-bin postinst talks of copying from
/usr/share/libc-bin/nsswitch.conf but *that* one doesn't match
the glibc source one or any of mine...
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2107[19:47:19] <greycat> Gigglebyte: unless someone has a fresh,
pristine buster installation sitting around for you to copy from,
you get to choose whether to use /usr/share/libc-bin/nsswitch.conf
or
replaced-url
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2119[19:51:33] <Gigglebyte> greycat> I think staying with the
/etc/nsswith.conf would be the best option since this is part of
stretch if my understanding is correct, and I will accept your file.
2120[19:51:55] <greycat> Gigglebyte: you're on stretch?
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2122[19:52:22] <Gigglebyte> greycat> I am on stretch. The
messed up system occurred during a failed upgrade to buster.
2123[19:52:40] <greycat> must've been a *hell* of a failure,
to delete nsswitch.conf
2124[19:52:41] <diogenes_> alternatively, one can always fire up
one of these images and see all the default files:
replaced-url
2152[20:01:07] <greycat> Are you trying to do the audio version
of a lava lamp random number generator?
2153[20:01:20] <uio> greycat, Sure. Any ideas?
2154[20:01:50] <greycat> For starters, don't ask #debian how
to rig up your rube goldberg audio lava lamp RNG.
2155[20:02:05] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:This option will lock
screen rotation but before lock I need to rotate my screen
2156[20:02:07] <greycat> Pick your favorite programming language
and implement it in that language, and ask that language's
channel if you need help with it.
2157[20:02:37] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, try: xrandr -o normal
2158[20:03:55] <amrasouli79> diogenes_: I did it. But dose not
work.
2159[20:04:12] <uio> greycat, It's okay if you don't
want to help :) I am using Debian, and pretty sure that it's
possible on Debian, thus I fail to see how it is question that
should not be asked here.
2165[20:05:21] <uio> greycat, There may already be such a program
that neither of us know about.
2166[20:05:29] <Gigglebyte> greycat> Do I need to reboot after
creating the nsswitch.conf? Also, is that file created verbatim? Or
do I need to edit it?
2169[20:05:58] <greycat> Gigglebyte: it's a text file. Enter
whatever you feel is the appropriate content, and save it to disk.
It should be owned by root, rw-r--r-- (chmod 644).
2214[20:19:28] <greycat> Now, to find out what's wrong with
your 'pdq' user, you'll have to read and/or modify
the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/group files.
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2218[20:21:32] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, ok, it would seem that
wayland needs a bit more work in order to handle screen rotations
so, logout, pick gnome on xorg session, as soon as you log there
run: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE, it should show: X11, then, run: xrandr
-o normal.
2219[20:21:34] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:This the result
2220[20:21:51] <diogenes_> read above ^^^
2221[20:22:02] <Gigglebyte> I am in the /etc/passwd file. What
should I be looking for in that?
2228[20:24:31] <Gigglebyte> The user is pdq, and I don't see
any entry for that.
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2231[20:24:52] <greycat> Then get out of there, and figure out
what you want to do.
2232[20:25:24] <namho> Hello - I am on Debian Sid and have been
seeing some weird issues with Bluetooth. The mice seem to have input
lag - the cursor doesn't move smoothly. The weird part is that
devices I had paired a while ago works ok, but newer ones do not. I
unpaired and re-paired one that was working fine, and it does not
work well once re-paired.
2233[20:25:42] <amrasouli79> diogenes_
2234[20:25:43] <Gigglebyte> greycat> You talking to me?
2235[20:25:53] <greycat> Yes.
2236[20:26:13] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, what?
2237[20:26:17] <greycat> Figure out what the hell happened to
your system, why your /etc/passwd file is ENTIRELY MISSING your
user's name, and what you want to do now.
2245[20:27:28] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:I can logout because first
I need to install it. So I will install it and then will send you an
ask for help. ok?
2246[20:27:47] <Gigglebyte> At this point just getting in and
copying a directory is all I hope for.
2247[20:27:58] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:First I should install
Debian
2249[20:28:19] <SerajewelKS> Gigglebyte: that's easy enough
by booting from the installer or another live environment and
copying the directory to external storage
2250[20:28:22] <Gigglebyte> I am in /etc/shadow, and again
don't see any pdq. However in both the shadow and password
files I find a file by myfirst name.
2251[20:28:53] <diogenes_> amrasouli79, i'm not sure how
long i still gonna be here, but you have nothing to worry about
because there is a lot of people who could help you and besides,
after the installation things might be even running well without
issues.
2252[20:28:58] <SerajewelKS> Gigglebyte: also this is probably a
valuable lesson to start taking backups of stuff you care about
2253[20:29:16] <greycat> Gigglebyte: so you're saying that
you were trying to use the wrong user name all along?
2254[20:29:19] <SerajewelKS> data that isn't backed up is
data you don't mind losing
2255[20:30:01] <amrasouli79> diogenes_:Yes maybe. So much thank
for your Help.
2256[20:30:16] <diogenes_> yw
2257[20:30:24] <Gigglebyte> greycat> No, I am using the right
user name. I am just reporting what I see.
2258[20:30:40] <Gigglebyte> I was able to get into the system
yesterday.
2260[20:30:55] <greycat> if you believe that you at one time had
a user named 'pdq', but there is not a 'pdq' in
/etc/passwd now, then you get to choose how to deal with this
2261[20:31:17] <SerajewelKS> Gigglebyte: what is the output of
'ls -ld /home/pdq'
2272[20:36:28] <Gigglebyte> SerajeweLKS> Damage occured from a
failed Buster upgrade, and I wasn't aware that someone messed
with the system, and had installed Volatile files on it.
2273[20:37:00] <SerajewelKS> _always_ backup before a release
upgrade
2274[20:37:57] <Gigglebyte> SerajeweLKS> Igetan error message
cannot access /home/pdq: No such file or directory.
2275[20:38:15] <SerajewelKS> all the evidence points to this user
never existing
2286[20:40:07] <Gigglebyte> Incidentally there were two different
boot optionson this system as of yesterday: one for 5.2.0.0 and 4.9
The only thing I did since yesterday was to install grub on (hd0),
and after that one of the boot menus was deleted. At this point I
think the best approach is to try booting from a live CD, and if
that doesn't work try to copy the data at the command line.
2287[20:40:09] <jelly> Gigglebyte: btw which filesystem type is
used for the / filesystem?
2288[20:40:10] <greycat> 14:28 Gigglebyte> [...] in both the
shadow and password files I find a file by myfirst name.
2289[20:40:30] <SerajewelKS> Gigglebyte: 5.2!? that's not
even in buster
2290[20:41:21] <greycat> you might have had multiple Linux
installations on this system, one with user pdq and the other with
user "myfirst name"
2291[20:41:32] <Gigglebyte> SerajewelKS> I am not looking at a
live cd.
2292[20:41:45] <SerajewelKS> multiple installs is also plausible,
even likely at this point
2293[20:41:48] <Gigglebyte> greycat> No, pdq has been the user
from the beginning.
2294[20:41:54] <greycat> at some point you're going to have
to figure out *what you did* because we can't possibly know
2317[21:03:57] <Gigglebyte> This memory stick is a bit old so I
am not totally. I am in recovery mode, and just curious what I
should select for choose a root file system?
2319[21:04:38] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, thank you for thinking of me
earlier. 8)
2320[21:04:59] <xaeB5> when trying to install debian i get this
error in the mirror section: "an error has been detected while
trying to use the specified debian archive mirror"
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2325[21:06:38] <CtrlC> Ever since I upgraded my debian from 9 to
10, it seems to have slowed down.
2326[21:06:48] <brutser> anyone can help me with a proper
tutorial for setting up signed kernel+initrd, i am following right
now this retired wiki and i rather have a more up-to-date article:
replaced-url
2327[21:06:54] <CtrlC> I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel which
helped a lot but it is still slow.
2329[21:07:27] <CtrlC> I don't see any process that take all
the resources.
2330[21:07:36] <nvz> CtrlC: buster is beefier than stretch was,
are you low on resources?
2331[21:07:38] <brutser> the kernel and initrd are by default
named: initrd.img-4.19.0-6-amd64 for example, if I sign them, i can
just use this long version included filename, or should i rename
them or create ln to them?
2332[21:07:45] <nvz> !de usage
2333[21:07:45] <dpkg> i heard de usage is The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE
on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE
3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For
Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see
replaced-url
2346[21:09:29] <nvz> CtrlC: you should try mate instead.. as you
can see from that factoid above, even on stretch, gnome was the
beefiest
2347[21:09:48] <CtrlC> I was fine with it before the upgrade.
2348[21:09:55] <CtrlC> I really like this gnome classic thing
2349[21:09:59] <nvz> CtrlC: mate is a fork of gnome 2.x and its a
good DE, its one of the lightest we have
2350[21:10:33] <CtrlC> I don't want to break stuff and
configure GUI for hours. :(
2351[21:10:40] <CtrlC> I had this since like two years ago.
2352[21:11:02] <nvz> CtrlC: well I'm not saying you have to,
but its worth a try.. and you can have both installed.. you can
install all 7 if you wanted to
2366[21:13:55] <nvz> CtrlC: yeah my gnome vm when i tell it to
install task-mate-desktop says 272 new packages, 312mb archives,
1201mb additional disk space used
2369[21:14:22] <CtrlC> After this operation, 310 MB of additional
disk space will be used.
2370[21:14:52] <nvz> CtrlC: that may be better anyhow.. since you
like what you're using for the most part.. you'll get less
extras and can still use some of the things you're used to
2371[21:15:00] <CtrlC> yup
2372[21:15:02] <bionade24> How can I block apt hooks during
installation?
2373[21:15:03] <nvz> CtrlC: are you familiar at all with the menu
system or desktop files?
2374[21:15:21] <CtrlC> nvz, last I messed with these stuff was
years ago
2375[21:16:30] <nvz> CtrlC: ah well freedesktop.org has a
specification for ShowOnlyIn= in the desktop files that can make
certain apps only appear in a particular DE if you dont want your
menus cluttered in either DE, you can copy .desktop files out of
/usr/share/applications/ into ~/.local/share/applications/ and add
in that directive
2376[21:16:44] <nvz> you can probably do this with menulibre too
but I'm not sure how, I never tried it
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2378[21:17:04] <CtrlC> cool! didn't know those files can be
used that way.
2382[21:17:26] <CtrlC> I can't remember last time I opened a
menu either really. :D
2383[21:17:51] <CtrlC> if won't be slow and looks like gnome
classic, I'll be fine.
2384[21:17:56] <CtrlC> look*
2385[21:18:09] <nvz> CtrlC: yes you can move them to your homedir
to make changes to them for your user, and the ShowOnlyIn= is
particularly useful cause each de has its own utilities.. i.e
gnome/mate: nautilus/caja gedit/pluma ..etc
2395[21:20:06] <nvz> jhutchins_wk: yeah well my stuff there
isn't a benchmark, just giving new users an idea of the HDD/RAM
usage, package lists, etc.. benchmarks are a whole different
ballgame :P
2396[21:20:18] <brutser> another question: on my /boot partition
i have next to initrd and kernel files called: config-4.19.0-6-amd64
and System.map-4.19.0-6-amd64 - if i delete those files, they are
generated upon boot? they are not critical right?
2397[21:20:53] <nvz> brutser: is your boot that small you're
deleting tiny files?
2398[21:21:31] <brutser> nvz: no, i just ask if they are critical
and if they are generated upon boot
2410[21:23:25] <brutser> nvz, greycat: i have an existing system
where i want to point grub to kernel+initrd on newly created
partition, so that is not /boot partition during setup - 1. is that
possible? 2. do i need those files i just mentioned?
2412[21:23:39] <greycat> You can probably survive without them,
but if you ever want them back, you'd need to reinstall the
linux-image-* package, or at least extract them out by hand.
2414[21:23:44] <nvz> I'm not sure what if anything uses the
config, and thats usually available via /proc/ anyhow but I'd
imagine possibly dkms or such would use it and grub probably uses
the system map
2415[21:23:45] <brutser> i can test i guess, but i just try to
understand
2481[21:47:15] <xaeB5> when the debian installer is asking for a
nameserver during network setup, does that mean DNS server? because
it defaults to 192.168.X.1 which is the gateway
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2494[21:53:39] <jhutchins_wk> nvz: /boot/config* Are the config
files used to build the kernel images. These are provided so you can
see the options, and make minor tweaks without building a config
file from scratch if you're recompiling.
2495[21:54:27] <nvz> jhutchins_wk: yes, I've build kernels
more than a decade ago, I'm familiar with what they are..
I'm also familiar with the /proc/config.gz I just wasnt sure
what else might use them
2503[21:56:06] <jhutchins_wk> nvz: I think for non-kernel
packages they're in the source file, or they're built by a
"configure" command during the process.
2504[21:56:31] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, an
overgeneralization.
2506[21:56:36] <greycat> Most programs read a "config
file" from disk to tell them what to do. The kernel package
"config-*" files tell you what options were chosen when
building the kernel. The kernel does not read it.
2507[21:56:44] <nvz> I'm no stranger to these things..I been
around awhile..
2508[21:56:46] <somiaj> yea, most use a ./configure script which
generates it, maybe with some combation of automake tools
2517[21:58:37] <nvz> my damn space key on this t440 is actingup..
its reallystartingto piss meoff..heh..mechanicallyits fineand
withthe keyboard lightonfullbright i see nothing under it..
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2546[22:10:03] <somiaj> I still have it with the dream I might
sodder it together to make work, but haven't (work just bought
me a new laptop)
2547[22:11:14] <nvz> yeah Ibroke one of my only two usb ports
recently.. apparently the usb3 cable from my wd passport got smashed
in ma bag and I plugged it in flatenning out the usb2 ground port on
my right hand side port before I realized the cable was bent up..
I'd put a flat screwdriver into the cable and beat it straight
again, but idk about fixing the port.. it still works for usb3,
since it has its own ground.. but
2557[22:12:47] <jhutchins_wk> nvz: Definitely try the canned air
under the key before trying to pry it off. The thinkpads I've
had did have removable keys, but space bars (and other wide keys)
are tricky.
2562[22:14:52] <nvz> I'd already pulled the spacebar off and
removed all the stuff from under it
2563[22:15:17] <nvz> and pressing the switch seemedto
workeverytimeand I feel nothing mechanically wrong with it when I
press thespace bar but clearly its not working right
2575[22:24:07] <nvz> looks like after removing it entirely one of
theclips holding the lifter bar wasoff but even after reseating that
its still being a PIMA :P
2602[22:37:26] <EdePopede> ah, was wondering. because my wireless
logitec set was clearly cheaper
2603[22:38:21] <nvz> I'd think being like 5 years old
it'd be cheaper by now.. but they're still selling new
keyboards for $87 which is nuts.. used they are like $20-30on
average
2604[22:39:12] <EdePopede> i've just seen the T440 vor
around €230
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2606[22:39:30] <EdePopede> so $87 for only the keyboard... no.
2615[22:42:55] <EdePopede> the price is still ridiculous
2616[22:43:41] <nvz> EdePopede: like the F1-12 are MM keys by
default, the fn key is required to use the F1-F12, or you press
esc+fn to do a fnlock, fn+space to adjust backlight brightness (3
settings, dim, bright, off) and has lights for themic mute and
speaker mute too..
2617[22:44:47] <EdePopede> nice modeset options. handled by the
keyboard firmware i guess?
2618[22:44:55] <nvz> EdePopede: yeah, but thats what you get when
you use quality stuff.. my 1990 Volvo 760GLE was 15 years old and
I'd looked to get the plastic half-round molding around the
front bumper, just the short pieces that wrapped around the side of
the car were $20 each.. heh..
2619[22:45:23] <nvz> EdePopede: yeah there is a chip under the
spacebar I'd noticed.. so it apparently has a good bit of
electronics and firmware on it
2620[22:45:37] <nvz> plus it has the trackpoint of course
2621[22:45:50] <nvz> which also has its own firmware
2622[22:46:36] <CarlFK> how do I tell what desktop manager is
running? or how do I track down what is causing the screen to blank
after 60 or some seconds ?
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2627[22:48:14] <nvz> CarlFK: screen blanking is done at multiple
levels, the acpi (bios/uefi), the x server (xset -blank and xset
-dpms) and by power management software
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2629[22:48:30] <nvz> erm -blank 0 I think it is
2630[22:48:42] <nvz> or -blank off I don't recall
haven't done it in ages
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2632[22:49:23] <nvz> could also be done by the display driver
though I've not known any that do it offhand
2635[22:49:56] <tagomago> Is this related to Firefox? It crashes
my DE too often ------> Chrome_~dThread[21450]: segfault at 0 ip
00007f4b8eb49d9f sp 00007f4b8cfaead0 error 6 in
libxul.so[7f4b8eb36000+3a3d000]
2642[22:51:35] <nvz> greycat: I'm curious why you chose
locate for that.. I've never in all these years used locate,
I'd have done a dpkg -S or used Judd or such.
2674[23:00:32] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2695[23:17:44] <Roastedcoffee> I've just installed Debian10
and I didn't want updates during installation, now I want to
update but got DVD repository only
2696[23:17:59] <greycat> !buster sources.list
2697[23:17:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
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