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• 3[00:01:08] <Heston> and it looks like canon pulled the drivers they did have up
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• 8[00:04:12] <Heston> alright...nevermind I got the driver off their asia subdomain
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• 27[00:10:34] <demongy> Heston, sorry, I have no idea then
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• 30[00:10:58] <Heston> demongy, it's all good. I got it figured out and working
• 31[00:11:07] <demongy> perfect
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• 38[00:14:56] <a65761711> Hello, folks! Need a little help. I got Debian 8.7 up and running, not the first time, but this time I ran into this annoying thing, I cannot play audio through my headphone jack output. Went messing around and now it doesn't even start up with the system - I have to modprobe snd-hda-intel. Even then I cannot hear a click out of the headphones. (it works in windows.)
• 39[00:15:56] <armin> a65761711: my assumption is that your audio problem is pulseaudio related.
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• 42[00:17:05] <armin> a65761711: anyways, the very first thing i do on a freshly set up debian machine is renaming /usr/bin/pulseaudio and i do that for almost 10 years now so i won't be of much help
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• 44[00:17:58] <teraflops> armin: yeah you're not helpful at all
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• 54[00:20:12] <abrotman> a65761711: do you have a DE installed, like gnome or kde?
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• 57[00:21:56] <demongy> a65761711, checked alsamixer?
• 58[00:22:35] <demongy> I always have that problem with debian, at startup audio doesn't work
• 59[00:22:49] <spaceman> hey ppl does anyone know if there's a way to hack the CMI8788 snd_oxygen and get any extended features that might be present on the card?
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• 62[00:23:40] <teraflops> he said through headphones so I assume audio works fine
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• 67[00:24:23] <teraflops> unless he has something to clarify. starting by telling us if he is running pseaudio or not
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• 69[00:26:02] <spaceman> teraflops, im not sure. i think i shut it off on one of my OSs.
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• 71[00:26:39] <teraflops> not sure about pulseaudio?
• 72[00:26:57] <teraflops> pgrep pulseaudio
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• 76[00:27:27] <spaceman> there is a number
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• 78[00:27:52] <teraflops> then it's there
• 79[00:28:07] <spaceman> cool
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• 84[00:28:58] <teraflops> spaceman: oh I was asking a65761711
• 85[00:29:04] <teraflops> heh
• 86[00:29:16] <spaceman> :D
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• 91[00:30:57] <spaceman> this sound card is badass but i wonder if i can get into any of the other features of the card that the windows drivers has.
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• 95[00:33:00] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why might some sysctl properties be wrong after boot, but sysctl -p fixes that? without having to edit the config?
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• 155[01:09:27] <a6576171> yeah, sound is working, tru speakers only
• 156[01:09:39] <a6576171> the jack output trhat isnt
• 157[01:09:54] <a6576171> server is working fine, drivers loaded and all
• 158[01:10:26] <a6576171> yeah. def running pulse audio
• 159[01:11:26] <a6576171> reinstalled the thing like a ton of times already in many different occasions so it'd reset settings, and got them back running every time, but no dice
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• 165[01:13:07] <a6576171> before updating to the latest version, I would reinstall alsa and pulse audio and it would get back working
• 166[01:13:14] <a6576171> not happening now
• 167[01:13:14] <a6576171> :c
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• 221[01:40:03] <implijer_> is there a tuto for workaround the fact that jessie can't upgrade torbrowser anymore due to a "signature issue" ?
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• 225[01:44:19] <zykotick9> implijer_: i'm surprised you are getting torbrowser from a repo. personally, i just drop the binary into a subfolder off of /opt and work with that. good luck.
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• 227[01:44:53] <implijer_> zykotick9 ho well I didn't have it too much thought, you might be right
• 228[01:45:02] <implijer_> s/have/gave
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• 230[01:45:43] <mutante> implijer_: the fix for the signature issue is likely that you download the right (new) PGP key
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• 232[01:46:14] <implijer_> mutante, I thought using torproject's keyring would do that
• 233[01:46:16] <implijer_> it didn't :/
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• 235[01:47:14] <mutante> implijer_: does it tell you a key ID that is missing?
• 236[01:47:25] <somiaj> the keyring is probably for the repo they provide, not for the actual browser key
• 237[01:48:01] <mutante> public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ... ?
• 238[01:48:16] <mutante> does it have that followed by a cryptic string?
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• 274[02:06:16] <implijer_> mutante: nah juste "SIGNATURE FAILED" in the torbrowser-launcher
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• 280[02:09:42] <mutante> implijer_: gpg --search-keys D40814E0
• 281[02:09:50] <mutante> gpg --search-keys D40814E0
• 282[02:09:54] <mutante> ) Tor Browser Developers (signing key)
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• 289[02:10:16] <mutante> that should find it, i hope it's still the right one
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• 291[02:10:27] <implijer_> "key not found"
• 292[02:11:02] <implijer_> it may be normal, on keyring.debian.org ?
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• 297[02:11:22] <mutante> try using the keyserver keys.gnupg.net
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• 299[02:11:47] <mad_hatter> hey folks...for some reason every time I boot into gnome shell...my network-manager fails to connect to my wifi...after a long attempt at trying it it pops up a message 'activation of network connection failed' is there anyway I can troubleshoot this?
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• 302[02:13:23] <implijer_> mutante, nah same thing (gpg --search-keys D40814E0 --keyserver keys.gnupg.net)
• 303[02:13:26] <somiaj> mad_hatter: you can check dmesg for hardware related messages
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• 305[02:14:15] <implijer_> mutante, my bad
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• 307[02:14:20] <implijer_> argument in bad order
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• 310[02:14:59] <mutante> implijer_: ah:) i was still checking myself. did it import a key? did it fix the issue?
• 311[02:15:05] <mad_hatter> wlan0 associating with AP with corrupt probe response
• 312[02:15:13] <implijer_> it as imported the key
• 313[02:15:35] <implijer_> I'm trying to download torbrowser again (torbrowser-laucnher start from scratch everytime :()
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• 315[02:16:05] <mad_hatter> somiaj, it says it's associated but I still have no internet
• 316[02:16:30] <implijer_> mutante, where did you found the D40814E0 bit ?
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• 321[02:20:31] <implijer_> mutante, "signature verification failed", still :x
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• 323[02:22:54] <somiaj> mad_hatter: assoicated may not mean you have actually obtained an ip for the network
• 324[02:23:13] <mad_hatter> well...it's working...but verrrrryyyy slowly
• 325[02:23:23] <somiaj> mad_hatter: that corrupt probe response sounds strange...
• 326[02:23:34] <mad_hatter> this is unusual because it was working just fine not long ago
• 327[02:23:52] <mad_hatter> I did a hostname change and thought that might be it...but changed it back and still the same
• 328[02:24:00] <implijer_> mutante the actual signature of the package is C3C07136
• 329[02:24:20] <mad_hatter> also did a nm-applet and it says 'faildd to connect to proxy server'
• 330[02:24:27] <mutante> implijer_: oh, i found that on replaced-url
• 331[02:24:35] <mutante> implijer_: seems you found the right one :)
• 332[02:25:05] <implijer_> mutante, what you mean ? I should just import this one and hope it's not a bad key ? :o
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• 334[02:25:26] <mutante> implijer_: define "bad"
• 335[02:25:45] <mad_hatter> somiaj: iwconfig on the wireless interface shows a 7.2Mb/s bit rate...which explains the super slow speed
• 336[02:25:50] <mutante> it was the Tor Browser dev key in 2015
• 337[02:25:50] <implijer_> well, I could hijack a webserver and distribute my own copy signed with my own key
• 338[02:25:56] <mutante> guess they have a new one in 2017
• 339[02:26:02] <implijer_> han
• 340[02:26:24] <mutante> so? your key would not work to verify the signature though
• 341[02:26:36] <mutante> if it gets verified you are fine, if not you are not worse than before
• 342[02:26:39] <implijer_> I really need to have a clearer unerstanding of this all. Security without knowledge is sooo much flawed :p
• 343[02:26:40] <mutante> afaict
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• 346[02:27:11] <implijer_> ahm
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• 348[02:27:15] <mutante> i dont see a risk in importing a key that wasnt used to sign this. you will only get the same "signature failed"
• 349[02:27:31] <implijer_> but what would stop me from importing my key and put a ,ame like "tor browser team" to it ?
• 350[02:27:41] <implijer_> I don't see how it could be stopped
• 351[02:27:54] <mutante> math
• 352[02:28:05] <implijer_> mah
• 353[02:28:16] <mutante> your key might call itself whatever it wants but it would simply not work
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• 356[02:29:10] <implijer_> I already did signed packages with my own key. I did put wathever name 'n all I wanted. Checking if a key is valid does tell you if the key is legitimate. Right ?
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• 358[02:29:41] <implijer_> *doesn't
• 359[02:29:41] <mutante> implijer_: verifying a signature means you know this key was used to sign this package
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• 361[02:30:01] <implijer_> exacly
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• 363[02:30:27] <implijer_> but it does not tell you if it's a legitimate key
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• 366[02:30:40] <implijer_> just that this key signed the package
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• 369[02:31:32] <implijer_> anyway I see the substring I have is in the "valid subker fingerprint", guess I'll take this without further meddling :x
• 370[02:31:36] <mutante> implijer_: that part you would solve by looking who else signed that key
• 371[02:31:42] <mutante> "web of trust"
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• 373[02:31:57] <implijer_> mutante, I don't know how to do that :/
• 374[02:32:01] <mutante> if anyone you already trust signed that key, you would trust that key too
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• 376[02:32:32] <mutante> import the key and gpg --list-sigs <keyid>
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• 378[02:32:59] <mutante> sub rsa4096 2014-12-15 [S] [expires: 2017-08-25]
• 379[02:32:59] <mutante> sig 4E2C6E8793298290 2015-08-26 Tor Browser Developers (signing key) <torbrowser@torproject.org>
• 380[02:33:09] <mutante> that looks like the right one for 2017.. until August
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• 382[02:33:33] <mutante> you can also search torproject.org for the key fingerprint
• 383[02:33:41] <mutante> to confirm that is the one they use
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• 386[02:34:01] <mutante> this is why people often put GPG fingerprints on business cards
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• 392[02:37:45] <implijer_> mutante, unfortunately I'm not succeeding é_è
• 393[02:37:56] <implijer_> he says he does not find the "public key"
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• 395[02:38:34] <implijer_> $ gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --verify tor-browser-linux32-6.5_fr.tar.xz.asc tor-browser-linux32-6.5_fr.tar.xz
• 396[02:38:34] <implijer_> gpg: Signature made Tue Jan 24 15:43:45 2017 CET using RSA key ID C3C07136
• 397[02:38:34] <implijer_> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
• 398[02:39:19] <mutante> implijer_: gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 4E2C6E8793298290
• 399[02:39:44] <mutante> do that first, importing the key
• 400[02:40:04] <implijer_> awwshit
• 401[02:40:11] <implijer_> I jumped the step
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• 404[02:42:54] <implijer_> mutante, debian should consider importing theses keys himself x)
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• 406[02:43:30] <implijer_> or is that a political/techical story ? x)
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• 411[02:47:26] <mad_hatter> is 4.9 a stable backports kernel
• 412[02:47:53] <missmbob> ,kernels
• 413[02:47:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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• 415[02:48:09] <mutante> implijer_: i don't know that, maybe :) if you want to find out you could open a bug to do that and see reactions :)
• 416[02:48:18] <mutante> implijer_: did it solve the issue now?
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• 418[02:49:07] <mad_hatter> missmbob: I have 4.9.0-0.bpo.1.amd64
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• 420[02:49:56] <implijer_> errh. nah. Key is imported, the downloaded package I can check and the signature against no problem. But still torbrowser-launcher fails
• 421[02:50:08] <implijer_> guess I'll have to do this by hand
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• 434[02:53:42] <up2late> replaced-url
• 435[02:53:47] <up2late> that actually worked
• 436[02:53:48] <up2late> lol
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• 439[02:55:21] <abrotman> up2late: this is a debian support channel ...
• 440[02:55:29] <deznuts> My internet connection drops after 1 min aftet boot. debian jessie realtek driver up to date. Ethernet drops too. Can i get some help?
• 441[02:56:03] <up2late> do you have comcadt?
• 442[02:56:12] <up2late> comcast*
• 443[02:56:54] <deznuts> Internet works. Not in us.
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• 445[02:57:05] <abrotman> up2late: Do you need help with Debian?
• 446[02:57:38] <up2late> nah, been sys admining it for a decade or so
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• 449[02:57:42] <implijer_> mutante, thanks
• 450[02:57:44] <up2late> just here for the chatter
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• 452[02:57:53] <mutante> implijer_: you're welcome
• 453[02:57:57] <implijer_> it worked now, just had to uncompress the .xz 'n all
• 454[02:57:58] <abrotman> up2late: this is a support channel, not a social channel, perhaps you want #debian-offtopic
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• 456[02:58:13] <up2late> im sorry nazis, ill eave then
• 457[02:58:14] <up2late> lol
• 458[02:58:19] <abrotman> Thanks
• 459[02:58:19] <up2late> *leave
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• 463[02:58:50] <abrotman> deznuts: any hints in /var/log/messages ?
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• 465[02:59:58] <deznuts> How do i see that
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• 469[03:02:21] <deznuts> Nvm
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• 473[03:03:08] <deznuts> Theres some weird messages
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• 484[03:07:12] <Aaron> Hey Can someone help me to get my bluetooth its working but I'm trying to get my bluetooth speakers working but no luck I can see the bluetooth option to turn it on. but it doesn't scan or do anything.
• 485[03:08:07] <deznuts> replaced-url
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• 489[03:09:22] <Aaron> I get no adapters
• 490[03:09:27] <Aaron> and the driver is running.
• 491[03:09:56] <deznuts> replaced-url
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• 515[03:26:47] <deznuts> abrotman: im wondering if java se broke something
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• 545[03:45:35] <buu> How do I remount my root partition as readwrite
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• 547[03:48:21] <mutante> buu: mount -o remount, rw /dev/...
• 548[03:48:30] <Hello71> lol
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• 552[03:52:04] <buu> mutante: mount: cannot remount /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-root read-write, is write-protected =[
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• 554[03:52:42] <mutante> buu: try adding -n option too
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• 556[03:52:54] <mutante> otherwise.. boot from something else, like a flash drive or cd
• 557[03:52:57] <buu> same
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• 559[03:53:00] <buu> can't
• 560[03:53:10] <buu> How does does rebooting help me remount
• 561[03:53:45] <mutante> it let's you edit config files that are now readonly
• 562[03:54:50] <mutante> probably there is a reason that your / is read-only, which might be the disk is about to die
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• 566[03:55:23] <mutante> might be best if you just backup it now
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• 570[03:55:59] <mutante> check "dmesg" for more info
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• 578[03:59:15] <buu> mutante: The reason is it's a shitty vps on a terrible host with the root mounted from a terrible san
• 579[03:59:26] <buu> Also that being said I still want it to rewrite
• 580[03:59:29] <buu> remount*
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• 586[04:01:45] <mutante> buu: replaced-url
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• 592[04:04:52] <buu> well
• 593[04:04:54] <buu> that's not great
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• 598[04:07:36] <mutante> buu: yea, the best i have is the "
• 599[04:07:36] <mutante> try with blockdev --setrw or hdparm -r 0
• 600[04:07:46] <mutante> if that also fails.. dunno :/
• 601[04:08:18] <mutante> besides "open ticket with VPS provider"
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• 607[04:12:00] <buu> hrm
• 608[04:12:01] <buu> dm-uuid-LVM-XNkIcXv0KgtUGrPT7f6ahDlWo0J3PxjQJMFIjXH3Ag6bHKUbOgF0MgMTFQvVWHH7
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• 611[04:13:08] <buu> Hrm, --getro says "0"
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• 617[04:16:24] <Gazooo> can I upgrade glibc to 2.23 or 2.24 easily on 8.7?
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• 631[04:27:23] <Throdne_> I know this might be the wrong channel, but I'm running this software off debian build I figure maybe someone knows what to do...
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• 634[04:29:04] <Throdne_> I have a homelab that is running XenServer running two VMs. One VM is apache and the other is a turnkey linux for gitlab. both VM have there own internal IP and runs on port 80 to 1 WAN IP.
• 635[04:29:32] <deznuts> 11:55 PM <deznuts> My internet connection drops after 1 min aftet boot. debian jessie realtek driver up to date. Ethernet drops too. Can i get some help?
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• 637[04:30:24] <somiaj> Throdne_: by off debian build, you mean debian is the host?
• 638[04:30:25] <Throdne_> My problem is all my port 80 traffic routes to the apache VM but I want git.domain.com to route to gitserver VM
• 639[04:30:31] <Throdne_> yes
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• 644[04:31:50] <Throdne_> I tried to post my question in channel #httpd but with 406 users the channel has been dead for 30 minutes.
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• 646[04:33:02] <somiaj> Throdne_: the guest each have ip's that are visable to your network? Or do you have a virtual network in which the only outside ip is the host and the host usea a NAT to route ports to the correct guest?
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• 650[04:34:09] <somiaj> deznuts: dmesg give any clues why it is dropping? Have you tried a backported kernel and firmware to see if that fixes the issue (for newer drivers)
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• 652[04:35:19] <Throdne_> on my router (edgerouter) I have a port forward (80) to internal ip of the apache VM. I not sure how I can have domain.com and git.domain.com using port 80 point to different VMs (each with there own ip 10.0.1.100, 10.0.1.101)
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• 655[04:36:38] <somiaj> but this is the same network the guest is on, so it is the router that controls where trafic goes and not the host?
• 656[04:36:59] <somiaj> In this case you have to see if it is possible to configure the route to route based off of domian name in a http request and not just port
• 657[04:37:15] <somiaj> or you will have to put your git.domain.com on a different port.
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• 659[04:37:42] <deznuts> replaced-url
• 660[04:38:09] <somiaj> It might be the router can't do this, in that case you may need to set up some system that understands httprequests and can route to the correct domain based off of the name used and not just the ip
• 661[04:38:11] <deznuts> somiaj: masquerade lo ate my ip address
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• 663[04:39:03] <somiaj> deznuts: what are you doing? I don't see how this relates to your question? What sort of routing/network setup do you have? Why do you have masquerade setup?
• 664[04:39:05] <Throdne_> are you describing a load balancer like?
• 665[04:39:20] <somiaj> Throdne_: just a router, not a load balancer
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• 667[04:39:50] <somiaj> Throdne_: but not all routers read http request info, so the router may only know what port is being requested and not what domain name was used by the client.
• 668[04:40:20] <deznuts> somiaj: until now i didnt know i had masquerade
• 669[04:40:27] <somiaj> Throdne_: but the idea is you want to route based off of domain name. Now most webservers already do this with virtual domains, but since you have these servers on two different guests, you need to configure your router to understand the difference.
• 670[04:40:40] <somiaj> deznuts: I really don't see what is going on, but I would assume that is your problem, but don't know where to look to debug/fix it
• 671[04:40:57] <Throdne_> I think I see what you are talking about
• 672[04:41:08] <deznuts> Last thing i did was upgrade java se
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• 675[04:41:40] <somiaj> Throdne_: and I don't know if simple routers can distnigish between foo1.com or foo2.com being the domain named used if they resolve to the same ip. In this case you may have to just use a differnt port for your git.domain.com address, and use git.domain.com:8080 or something like that
• 676[04:41:46] <deznuts> What is masquerade and how do i get rid of it
• 677[04:41:49] <Throdne_> somiaj, you called it "read http request info" what would be the technical name so I can do some google searches.
• 678[04:42:03] <somiaj> Throdne_: and configure your router to route 8080 to the correct guest
• 679[04:42:29] <somiaj> Throdne_: I don't know the exact name, but it is in the http request header or http header...
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• 681[04:42:53] <Throdne_> that is what I had, domain.com (apache) and domain.com:81 (gitserver) but I would like to use subdomains now.
• 682[04:43:03] <somiaj> Throdne_: replaced-url
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• 684[04:43:15] <somiaj> Throdne_: but this is part of the http request and may not be visable to a basic router.
• 685[04:43:16] <deznuts> replaced-url
• 686[04:43:25] <Throdne_> Thanks, somiaj !!!!
• 687[04:43:48] <somiaj> Throdne_: as in you may need a more sophosicated router than can read this info.
• 688[04:43:56] <deznuts> replaced-url
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• 690[04:44:41] <somiaj> deznuts: I'm having trouble reading that, and may not nkow enough to be of much help.
• 691[04:45:10] <deznuts> K
• 692[04:45:11] <Throdne_> somiaj, you are the man!!!! I think I just found what I needed
• 693[04:45:12] <Throdne_> replaced-url
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• 696[04:46:00] <deznuts> Before that msg
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• 698[04:46:27] <deznuts> Debian kills eth0 and wlan0
• 699[04:46:53] <deznuts> Something with networking
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• 709[04:53:18] <deznuts> somiaj: its working now
• 710[04:54:11] <zykotick9> ugh the mame maintainer recently updated mame version in sid - if that update makes it to stretch before freeze i'm gonna be _really_ disappointed ... <- an issue that probably affects me and one or two other people on the planet ;)
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• 714[04:55:08] <somiaj> zykotick9: it can't, with out an exception
• 715[04:55:15] <somiaj> zykotick9: it needs 10 days
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• 717[04:55:26] <zykotick9> somiaj: _thank_ you!
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• 720[04:55:57] <somiaj> of course the matainer can request and exception/unblock, but these are rare and shoudlnt' be given for version changes, only targeted bug fixes of important bugs
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• 818[05:51:22] <Goddesspapa> Are Ubuntu PPAs generally safe for Debian?
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• 820[05:51:35] <missmbob> NO
• 821[05:51:41] <missmbob> !dont break debian
• 822[05:51:41] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 823[05:52:36] <missmbob> !tell Goddesspapa -about why not use a ppa
• 824[05:53:28] <C67> cloned turbovnc from git repo, did make deb, it fails to build, says: turbovnc/unix/Xvnc/programs/Xserver/hw/vnc/rfbssl_openssl.c:279:8: error: ‘struct rfbssl_functions’ has no member named ‘OPENSSL_init_ssl’
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• 827[05:54:12] <Goddesspapa> Missing a library maybe?
• 828[05:56:57] <C67> Goddesspapa: talking to me?
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• 832[05:58:05] <Goddesspapa> Yes C67
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• 834[05:58:52] <C67> Goddesspapa: I am running sid, Did not find libopenssl-dev, but have libssl-dev installed.
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• 937[07:07:23] <Heston> that's the sound of stability
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• 947[07:13:21] <bkeys> I have Jessie installed on my raspberry pi, how do I open a port on this machine?
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• 961[07:21:57] <zykotick9> bkeys: is this actually raspbian? is so, they've got there own channel. there is no default firewall rules in debian, you you don't "open a port" you just run the service... good luck.
• 962[07:22:14] <zykotick9> s/you you/so you/
• 963[07:22:22] <bkeys> Well I would think that opening the firewall would be the same in either distro
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• 965[07:22:47] <bkeys> But I am getting a "connection refused" error when I curl port 5000, this is not because of a firewall?
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• 968[07:23:12] <zykotick9> !raspbian
• 969[07:23:12] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 970[07:24:03] <bkeys> I mean I get that but I figure that opening a firewall port might be the same
• 971[07:24:07] <bkeys> How would you open the port in Debian?
• 972[07:24:12] <themill> You don't
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• 975[07:24:33] <bkeys> What is the service called for the firewall?
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• 977[07:24:43] <themill> ask #raspbian
• 978[07:24:52] <bkeys> -_-
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• 980[07:25:00] <themill> We have no idea what is installed
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• 1104[08:34:04] <slax0r> I'm trying to remove a directory from a debian docker container, and the rm command reports that the directory isn't empty, which is true, but shouldn't -rf ignore that? replaced-url
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• 1106[08:34:27] <sivrran111> yes ignore that
• 1107[08:35:07] <slax0r> what do you mean ignore that? the dir isn't removed...
• 1108[08:35:21] <sivrran111> ah indeed
• 1109[08:35:49] <sivrran111> but you need to figure this one out using simple ogic grasshopper
• 1110[08:35:56] <sivrran111> logic
• 1111[08:36:30] <sivrran111> my main profession is making meth, sorry
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• 1117[08:37:45] <jelly> slax0r: which debian is this, and is there anything inside /var/replaced-url
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• 1120[08:38:00] <slax0r> jelly: jessie
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• 1122[08:38:32] <slax0r> I don't know if anything is in that dir, because this happens durring container build, and of course, docker stops the build after the error
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• 1124[08:38:45] <slax0r> but on the next build run the index.html file is still in there
• 1125[08:39:03] <slax0r> and, jessie, it's jessie
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• 1127[08:39:40] <jelly> then figure it out first.
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• 1129[08:40:16] <slax0r> that might be a bit hard, don't you think?
• 1130[08:40:23] <jelly> no?
• 1131[08:40:47] <jelly> if you can run whoami and rm, what stops you from running a second ls after that?
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• 1133[08:41:47] <slax0r> well, build stops after an error, let me try a rm -rf /var/replaced-url
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• 1135[08:43:01] <jelly> doing things with /path/* is bad form anyway, prone to errors
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• 1137[08:43:43] <slax0r> agreed, rm -rf /var/replaced-url
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• 1142[08:47:18] <slax0r> here we go, no, the index.html file is removed in /var/replaced-url
• 1143[08:47:41] <jelly> so problem solved.
• 1144[08:47:52] <slax0r> how is it solved?
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• 1147[08:48:37] <jelly> what if you rm -r /var/replaced-url
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• 1149[08:48:58] <jelly> slax0r: and look at what "/var/replaced-url
• 1150[08:49:27] <slax0r> yeah, that works if I remove /var/replaced-url
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• 1152[08:49:48] <jelly> then your shell is weird.
• 1153[08:50:41] <slax0r> yeah, this happens like I said during a docker container build, which works just ok on my local machine, but when building it on a server this happens, maybe go bug #docker ?
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• 1155[08:51:00] <jelly> if you run "echo /var/replaced-url
• 1156[08:51:33] <slax0r> echo /var/replaced-url
• 1157[08:51:34] <jelly> but again, that's just another weird thing that happens with constructs like foo/*
• 1158[08:51:54] <jelly> slax0r: in the same environment as rm?
• 1159[08:51:56] <slax0r> it happens with rm -rf /var/replaced-url
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• 1161[08:52:01] <slax0r> yes
• 1162[08:52:08] <jelly> ,v docker
• 1163[08:52:09] <judd> Package: docker on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4-5; sid: 1.5-1; jessie: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1
• 1164[08:52:26] <slax0r> replaced-url
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• 1168[08:53:15] <jelly> slax0r: are you sure this "docker" thing calls /bin/rm and not some internal rm thing that acts differently?
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• 1170[08:53:55] <slax0r> jelly: tbh, no
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• 1172[08:54:20] <jelly> I suspect it does something other than what you're expecting
• 1173[08:54:43] <jelly> you may try to strace it if you want to debug
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• 1175[08:55:17] <jelly> but yes, if there's a specific channel it probably makes sense to ask there
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• 1177[08:55:54] <slax0r> yeah, I have a feeling that this is more docker related than debian related
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• 1179[08:56:21] <slax0r> thank you for your help, I'll try a couple of things, and ask there if problems persist
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• 1255[09:39:19] <alexxey> Which package do I need to install in order to use SPICE graphics with qemu/kvm?
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• 1259[09:40:21] <alexxey> I'm having trouble finding related documentation in the debian wiki.
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• 1267[09:43:12] <ben25> hello
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• 1343[10:26:53] <styler2go> Hi, i am runnign debian stretch and i have a problem. Most programs like nautilus and for exampel the mysql workbench want to save my passwords to the keyring but somehow they can't. the password is never being saved. I have the feeling i have no keyring tool. Is there anything i can try?
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• 1345[10:27:15] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1346[10:27:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1348[10:27:33] <petn-randall> styler2go: Try the channel above for stretch support.
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• 1350[10:27:59] <styler2go> petn-randall, but maybe i just need some keyring program... anyway, i'll ask there
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• 1372[10:40:21] <alexxey> Hi. I encountered the error ' internal error: Failed to initialize a valid firewall backend' while creating a new VM in virt-manager.
• 1373[10:40:37] <alexxey> But I already have iptables installed.
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• 1384[10:46:11] <jrgpfoo> when is debian 9 coming out? also, why was netatalk removed from apt?
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• 1387[10:46:57] <bazhang> debian just had a point release to 8.7 iirc
• 1388[10:47:09] <themill> that's not relevant
• 1389[10:47:19] <themill> jrgpfoo: 6ish months, probably
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• 1392[10:48:00] <bazhang> netatalk is the appletalk thing?
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• 1394[10:48:14] <themill> yes
• 1395[10:48:16] <jrgpfoo> yep afp on linux support. currently i have to compile from source
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• 1399[10:48:47] <bazhang> ,v netatalk
• 1400[10:48:48] <judd> Package: netatalk on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.5-2; stretch: 2.2.5-2
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• 1405[10:49:51] <themill> jrgpfoo: at the time of the jessie release, it was not clear that Debian had any right to distribute the package. See #751121
• 1406[10:49:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1408[10:51:56] <jrgpfoo> ah looks like it's coming back in stretch
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• 1411[10:53:04] <themill> You could also rebuild the stretch package for jessie if you needed to
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• 1426[11:00:51] <squigz> Is there any way I could lower the volume of all other applications when another application starts playing?
• 1427[11:01:10] <squigz> Terribly worded, I'm sorry. I'm tired. :P
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• 1463[11:24:12] <pale3> anyone knows if there is archive repo of mozilla.debian.net, I want to downgrade ff version
• 1464[11:24:32] <CeBe> I just tried to upgrade from jessie to stretch and encountered an issue with dpkg failing to upgrade the systemd package. Should I report this to the systemd package or is there a better place for upgrade related issues?
• 1465[11:24:38] <bazhang> why downgrade
• 1466[11:24:57] <themill> CeBe: can you show us the output in a pastebin?
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• 1473[11:26:17] <pale3> bazhang: cos i want
• 1474[11:26:39] <bazhang> you want a less secure firefox?
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• 1478[11:29:47] <CeBe> themill: here is the full output: replaced-url
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• 1487[11:35:37] <rdz> this might be OT, but what kind of data is on a new unformatted hard drive? is it all zeros or ones or is there even some noise?
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• 1522[12:00:41] <petn-randall> rdz: Last disks I checked all had zeros.
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• 1583[12:37:34] <romancer> After installation of Stretch RC2, apt-get will be linked to "Stretch" release by default, or one need to switch "sources.list" to the right branch later on?
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• 1589[12:39:39] <CeBe> romancer: if you have stretch in sources.list and not testing, all should be fine
• 1590[12:40:19] <CeBe> romancer: btw, did you upgrade from jessie or did you install a fresh system?
• 1591[12:40:24] <romancer> CeBe, thank you. Just checking as some bug-reports for Stretch RC look in particular concerning... replaced-url
• 1592[12:40:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1594[12:40:40] <romancer> CeBe, planning to install fresh. Can't wait for release :]
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• 1597[12:41:42] <CeBe> okay, for the people upgrading from jessie, it would be interesting to see if they are affected by this one replaced-url
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• 1599[12:42:12] <romancer> well, I have jessie installed right now, technically can try updating for lulz
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• 1651[13:03:34] <themill> CeBe: can you pastebin the output of "LANG=C apt-get -f install" to see if we can get a more concise error?
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• 1666[13:09:37] <themill> CeBe: there's an earlier problem from perl-modules that makes it look like apt was unhappy prior to you starting
• 1667[13:10:03] <CeBe> themill: I started apt-get -f install and it is now installing packages
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• 1669[13:10:23] <CeBe> I have seen that too but no idea what it says
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• 1675[13:12:30] <CeBe> I can not reproduce the issue on a clean setup in an lxc container btw
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• 1677[13:12:38] <CeBe> so it seems specific to that system
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• 1681[13:17:44] <themill> CeBe: the early message about perl-modules implies a bad state prior to the upgrade. Do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/status or /var/backups/dpkg.status from prior to the upgrade?
• 1682[13:18:09] <CeBe> I have not, sorry
• 1683[13:18:30] <CeBe> apt-get install -f finished but nothing about systemd, another message now
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• 1685[13:19:17] <CeBe> replaced-url
• 1686[13:19:28] <themill> no backups made by dpkg is unusual :(
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• 1689[13:19:43] <CeBe> oh, wait
• 1690[13:20:15] <CeBe> I did not check that. I did just not make any myself
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• 1692[13:22:34] <CeBe> themill: I have a /var/backups/dpkg.status with change date before upgrade
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• 1694[13:23:04] <CeBe> /var/lib/dpkg/status has modified time, 10minutes ago, so that would not fit
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• 1701[13:25:14] <themill> CeBe: can you pastebin the stanza corresponding to "Package: perl-modules" from /var/backups/dpkg.status ?
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• 1710[13:28:35] <CeBe> themill: replaced-url
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• 1714[13:29:44] <themill> hmm Status: install ok installed makes it look ok
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• 1721[13:31:50] <CeBe> /var/lib/dpkg/status also says Status: install ok installed
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• 1732[13:37:06] <CeBe> dpkg --audit does not report anything
• 1733[13:37:07] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, CeBe
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• 1735[13:37:22] <CeBe> dpkg: haha
• 1736[13:37:22] * dpkg laughs!! that's funny cebe!
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• 1742[13:41:34] <CeBe> oh, a second run of apt-get dist-upgrade now shows me the changelogs. the first one did not do that
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• 1744[13:42:27] <themill> yeah, you had a broken apt-listchanges there before
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• 1749[13:44:07] <CeBe> I also just noticed these: replaced-url
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• 1751[13:44:21] <CeBe> seems that was supposed to ask me something about config file changes...
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• 1755[13:45:23] <hoobaman> hi guys
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• 1757[13:45:48] <hoobaman> can i introduce new debconf values for an automated noniteractive install ?
• 1758[13:46:12] <hoobaman> or am i bound the the existing values?
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• 1763[13:49:35] <CeBe> hoobaman: have not done that before but should be possible with dpkg-preconfigure
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• 1765[13:50:42] <hoobaman> CeBe: thx for your reply, really appreciated :) I will check dpkg-preconfigure
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• 1801[14:08:19] <AndreeeCZ> hello! I'm trying to install debian on a MarsBoardA20. From what i've been told, it's "basically the same" as a CubieTruck, so i'm installing that. However during the install process, the board fails to connect to DHCP. Does this mean that propably its not "basically the same" ?
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• 1810[14:12:01] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: Do you otherwise have working network via DHCP?
• 1811[14:12:09] <AndreeeCZ> petn-randall, yes
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• 1815[14:13:17] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: Is that wifi or Ethernet?
• 1816[14:13:59] <AndreeeCZ> petn-randall, ethernet
• 1817[14:14:40] <AndreeeCZ> its one of the first installation steps
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• 1825[14:16:08] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: You could try the non-free installer, maybe it's missing firmware for Ethernet to function.
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• 1827[14:16:47] <AndreeeCZ> petn-randall, where's the non-free installer?
• 1828[14:16:54] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
• 1829[14:16:54] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
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• 1831[14:17:03] <petn-randall> !firmware imagse
• 1832[14:17:07] <petn-randall> !firmware images
• 1833[14:17:08] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 1835[14:17:17] <petn-randall> Got it right this time, haha
• 1836[14:17:23] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: see above
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• 1849[14:20:30] <AndreeeCZ> petn-randall, i dont think it applies, i'm following this article replaced-url
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• 1851[14:21:36] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: You could switch to one of the other terminals and check with 'dmesg' where the problem is.
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• 1853[14:21:44] <petn-randall> AndreeeCZ: Maybe the NIC isn't supported yet.
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• 1861[14:23:49] <AndreeeCZ> i'm installing over serial
• 1862[14:24:05] <AndreeeCZ> so i don't think i can do something like ctrl+alt+f3
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• 1902[14:38:13] <CeBe> themill: the final apt-get dist-upgrade went fine now and the systems is up to date and running. Thanks for your help!
• 1903[14:39:04] <themill> np. not sure what you really saw on that system though
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• 1905[14:40:05] <CeBe> yeah, I have reported the issue, maybe someone sees something obvious that can be fixed. if not they can close it
• 1906[14:40:20] <themill> Could you follow up with what fixed it for you?
• 1907[14:40:28] <hoobaman> i introduced new values in my debconf template, they are visible in debconfig-show, however a dpkg-reconfigure -f noniteractive does not create a valid config with the new values
• 1908[14:40:35] <hoobaman> what am i missing?
• 1909[14:41:03] <CeBe> themill: I just repeated apt-get install -f and apt-get dist-upgrade again.
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• 1912[14:41:28] <themill> CeBe: yep, can you email that to the bug, perhaps including the logs from doing so?
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• 1914[14:41:44] <CeBe> oh, sure
• 1915[14:42:23] <themill> thanks!
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• 1927[14:50:41] <hoobaman> any debconf specialists around? :)
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• 1929[14:51:11] <themill> hoobaman: putting keys into the db doesn't mean that the maintainer scripts are going to use them
• 1930[14:52:01] <hoobaman> themill: ok, makes sense, so i need to rebuild the package with an adapted template in order to use them right?
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• 1933[14:52:33] <usrxy> hii
• 1934[14:52:44] <usrxy> i installed debian but there is problem with screens
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• 1936[14:53:09] <themill> hoobaman: maintainer script more likely than template
• 1937[14:54:16] <hoobaman> themill: ok thx, will have a look
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• 1945[14:59:27] <babilen> Hmm, I'm having problems accessing security.debian.org on 212.211.132.32 from multiple hosts - Any way to get around this and have it pick another server?
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• 1949[15:01:00] <somiaj> babilen: only way I can think of is put an entry in your sources.list (I don't thik I've seen alternatives for s.d.o mirrors listed)
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• 1951[15:01:12] <somiaj> babilen: security.debian.org (128.101.240.215) -- that is the one I get resolved to
• 1952[15:01:28] <somiaj> babilen: from mirror-umn2.debian.org -- there is a host name
• 1953[15:01:42] <babilen> It's done with DNS aliases ... I'm seeing this on a couple of hundreds nodes
• 1954[15:01:44] <somiaj> babilen: arg I mean entry in /etc/hosts -- but tehre is a mirror name that might work.
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• 1956[15:02:12] <babilen> Ah .. it started to resolve to a different IP now
• 1957[15:02:16] <klys> a couple hundred ip addresses aren't serving http ?
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• 1959[15:02:43] <babilen> klys: From a bunch of different hosts (that all try to contact the same, broken, sec.d.o mirror)
• 1960[15:02:49] <klys> o
• 1961[15:02:53] <wiking> anybody knows whether there's a minimum -march option one could set in a debian rules file when building for amd64 target?
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• 1968[15:06:04] <jelly> wiking: natively? You probably don't have to specify it at all?
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• 1970[15:07:27] <wiking> jelly, well my presumption is that 64bit x86 processors would have at least some instructions
• 1971[15:07:30] <wiking> like mmx etc
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• 1973[15:08:16] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 1977[15:08:56] <jelly> wiking: SSE and whatever's in definition of amd64 will automatically get used by gcc
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• 1979[15:09:14] <wiking> mmm i'm not sure about that actually
• 1980[15:09:15] <wiking> :)
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• 1999[15:18:39] <wiking> jelly, just checked with gcc -Q --help=target|grep
• 2000[15:18:42] <wiking> everything is disabled
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• 2009[15:23:01] <wiking> jelly, nevermind... found some other comments in the gcc docs. thnx
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• 2012[15:23:22] <jelly> hhmm that shouldn't be
• 2013[15:23:24] <jelly> ah
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• 2072[15:45:14] <Digital> the installer doesn't work well when installing to a device with a gpt partition table
• 2073[15:45:57] <petn-randall> Digital: How so?
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• 2076[15:46:37] <babilen> I've installed multiple boxes without issues
• 2077[15:46:52] <babilen> Guess some information as to why it isn't "working" might be helpful.
• 2078[15:47:05] <babilen> Bloody installers drinking g&t all day again, I'm sure
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• 2082[15:47:49] <Digital> i had a separate boot, root and home partition, the installer had some problem after (writing the changes to disk) and exiting the partition manager, when starting to install
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• 2084[15:48:25] <Digital> fsck told me there was a bad magic number in the superblock
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• 2086[15:49:09] <petn-randall> Digital: That sounds like you're running fsck on a blank disk, and not the partition.
• 2087[15:49:17] <petn-randall> Digital: Or an empty partition.
• 2088[15:49:20] <Digital> oh, lol
• 2089[15:49:21] <Digital> heehee
• 2090[15:49:27] <Digital> nvm then
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• 2100[15:53:42] <Digital> I'm trying to install on a device with a msdos partition table, same error
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• 2103[15:54:40] <josefig> hi, i'm trying to start rabbitmq-server and i'm getting this error: Failed to start rabbitmq-server.service: Unit rabbitmq-server.service is masked <-- someone had seen this before?
• 2104[15:55:08] <greycat> Only when trying to install systemd unit files by hand....
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• 2106[15:57:14] <josefig> greycat: what did you do to solve it?
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• 2108[15:57:18] <petn-randall> Digital: How did you prepare the installation image?
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• 2110[15:57:46] <greycat> Remove all of the stuff I did by hand, and read more systemd docs, and then redo it properly.
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• 2112[15:58:29] <Digital> petn-randall, I used dd to copy an iso to the device
• 2113[15:58:34] <greycat> Like, if there are symlinks from some systemd files to other systemd files, do NOT make those by hand. Those are made by systemd automatically whenever you put special magic alias thingies in the wossnames....
• 2114[15:59:18] <greycat> Some day maybe someone will figure this crap out, and write a HUMAN-READABLE GUIDE to how to use systemd.
• 2115[15:59:31] <greycat> But now, after only 3 years of systemd, nobody has done this yet.
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• 2117[15:59:53] <petn-randall> ?
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• 2119[16:00:07] <greycat> A system administrator's guide to systemd.
• 2120[16:00:13] <greycat> How to install a new service.
• 2121[16:00:17] <josefig> ok, let me try it
• 2122[16:00:19] <petn-randall> "systemctl unmask rabbitmq-server", fixed.
• 2123[16:01:37] <josefig> wow, worked petn-randall you should write a guide of how to use systemd :D
• 2124[16:01:40] <greycat> How to figure out what the hell an existing service is doing, so that when you locally-compile your own version of the package for internal political reasons, you can make your locally-compiled version not break.
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• 2126[16:01:44] <greycat> You know, things like that.
• 2127[16:01:49] <petn-randall> It's not that much of rocket science. You just add the unit file to /etc/systemd/system/, then use the 'systemctl enable <service>' to enable it, or the usual to start it.
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• 2131[16:03:06] <petn-randall> greycat: "systemctl show <foo>", then copy that into a file into /etc/systemd/system/<foo>.service, where you can customize it.
• 2132[16:03:25] <greycat> OK, more specifically. There is an /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service symlink in Debian. By default.
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• 2134[16:03:35] <greycat> If you touch that, SHIT WILL BREAK.
• 2135[16:03:43] <themill> or systemctl edit in stretch
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• 2139[16:04:21] <themill> "touch /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service" ← nothing broke. Perhaps more details and less CAPS?
• 2140[16:04:36] <greycat> So if you are trying to compile and install your own upstream higher-visible-version-number ssh package, you need to know how to do that, and there is no clear documentation for it.
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• 2144[16:05:05] <greycat> Fuck it. I give up. You are all so fucking smart. Whatever.
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• 2146[16:05:18] <themill> It's impossible to help people who don't want it.
• 2147[16:05:36] <greycat> None of you have ever had to do this, so you haven't had to clean up the mess when you tried really fucking hard and STILL broke it.
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• 2149[16:05:38] <themill> Feel free to ask some other time.
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• 2162[16:07:54] <greycat> For those of you who are NOT just smart-assing me for grins, and who may actually care about how to do this: the symlink sshd.service (note the "d") is created automatically pointing to /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service (note the LACK OF a "d") because the latter has Alias=sshd.service (note the "d") in it.
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• 2164[16:08:15] <greycat> You are NOT supposed to make a symlink yourself. It is NOT a natural part of the ssh service if you build your own ssh service.
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• 2168[16:09:08] <greycat> So if you get "masked" errors because you tried really fucking hard to follow the Debian examples but broken it because the examples were obscure as hell, it's because of this.
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• 2171[16:09:32] <greycat> If you get "masked" errors for some other inscrutable reason, then I don't know.
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• 2176[16:11:26] <jer0me> hey #debian, I guess some of you are thinkpad users. I just got my hands on a nice i7 x220 which bios doesn't seem to let me activate virtualization option and so other. Ever had this issue? I can't see anything wrong in the dmesg.
• 2177[16:12:08] <petn-randall> jer0me: Maybe the BIOS needs updating? Or the CPU doesn't support HW virtualization. I'd check it on ark.intel.com
• 2178[16:12:18] <peterrooney> greycat: so, systemd still a documentation shitshow
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• 2185[16:14:03] <jer0me> petn-randall: cpu is i7-2640m, pretty sure it supports vt. The bios is fresh, updated 2 hours ago. Maybe the cmos battery neeeds changing.
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• 2187[16:14:40] <Digital> okay, using the graphical install option of the live iso doesn't work well, the first cd iso does
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• 2189[16:16:14] <zykotick9> Digital: note, the live images DON'T support UEFI...
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• 2194[16:16:43] <Digital> zykotick9, I don't use uefi
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• 2196[16:17:27] <zykotick9> Digital: personally, i don't understand why people want to use the live images stuff to install...
• 2197[16:18:06] <Digital> i put the wrong image on the usb stick by accident lol
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• 2199[16:18:34] <Digital> zykotick9, it's great to test stuff
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• 2201[16:19:03] <zykotick9> Digital: personally, i prefer to use things that work... but ymmv.
• 2202[16:19:29] <Digital> what does ymmv stand for?
• 2203[16:19:47] <zykotick9> sorry, Your Milage May Vary (meaning you may have different results)
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• 2205[16:20:09] <Digital> zykotick9, I don't know what works for me until i test it :p
• 2206[16:20:20] <Digital> ah
• 2207[16:20:32] <jelly> jer0me: ask in ##ibmthinkpad
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• 2234[16:36:19] <Walakea> how do i install xfce if i already have gnome and don't want xfce's core applications (file manager, text editor, termnal, ...); but still want applications that are relevant (xfce settings, ...)?
• 2235[16:36:38] <TomTomTo1> ,i xfwm4
• 2236[16:36:39] <judd> Package xfwm4 (xfce, optional) in jessie/amd64: window manager of the Xfce project. Version: 4.10.1-3; Size: 668.2k; Installed: 2781k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2237[16:36:47] <TomTomTo1> probably this.
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• 2240[16:37:21] <Walakea> thanks
• 2241[16:37:56] <TomTomTo1> or look at the dependenyies of the xfce4 package and pick what you need.
• 2242[16:38:01] <Digital> now i got an error while trying to install the kernel
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• 2247[16:38:59] <SynrG> Digital: we won't get very far until you tell us which error :)
• 2248[16:39:03] <Walakea> once i installed a package called xfce4-session (i think) and i couldn't reboot via GUI
• 2249[16:39:29] <Walakea> wouldn't like it to happen again
• 2250[16:40:04] <SynrG> Walakea: desktop environments do tend to be designed to have all the bits working together. if you manage to get some small subset of it working, it will probably be only after some trial and error.
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• 2253[16:40:44] <sh00p> rebooting via gui is overrated anyway
• 2254[16:40:53] <sh00p> sudo reboota does the trick for me
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• 2256[16:40:56] <Digital> linux-image-amd64 depends on linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 but linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 is not configured yet
• 2257[16:40:58] <sh00p> s/reboota/reboot
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• 2261[16:41:20] <Digital> SynrG, ^^
• 2262[16:41:30] <Walakea> well, i wouldn't mind to install whole xfce4, but i thought there would be a simple way to avoid those external applications
• 2263[16:41:45] <SynrG> Digital: it's unlikely that was the only output. please, at paste.debian.net, put the command you typed and its full output
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• 2266[16:42:24] <Digital> SynrG, I used the graphical installer and read through tty4
• 2267[16:42:40] <Walakea> sh00p: i managed to do it via terminal, other thing was that i had autologin to the last used session
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• 2271[16:43:33] <SynrG> Digital: what i mean is, that error is due to whatever the real error was that prevented the kernel from being configured. without seeing that, it's hard to say what went wrong.
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• 2276[16:44:31] <SynrG> Digital: in any case, don't use the launcher that's bundled with the live images. it's crap.
• 2277[16:44:47] <SynrG> Digital: if you want to install from a live CD, then select "Install" from the boot menu instead.
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• 2280[16:45:19] <SynrG> i've recommended to the team to remove it and i think it probably will be next release. there are lots of corner cases where it fails ...
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• 2282[16:45:25] <Digital> ah, I know. it's some missing some firmware which I'm not going to install because i want to stick to open source
• 2283[16:45:28] <SynrG> doesn't seem to be worth the hassle to maintain anymore
• 2284[16:45:51] <Digital> SynrG, I'm not using the live iso
• 2285[16:45:59] <SynrG> Digital: oh, good. then pitch your hardware and install on hardware not requiring firmware. problem solved :)
• 2286[16:47:02] <SynrG> Digital: ah, in the scrollback i see where you said you mistakenly put the wrong image on the usb ...
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• 2288[16:47:20] <SynrG> sorry. guess i missed that bit the first time
• 2289[16:47:40] <Digital> no problem
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• 2292[16:48:10] <SynrG> anyway, are you sure the missing firmware messages are relevant? it's pretty normaly to have, e.g. realtek messages ...
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• 2294[16:48:19] <SynrG> and it's not strictly needed (most of the time) to work
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• 2296[16:48:35] <SynrG> what you're looking for is not just *any* messages, but one leading to the failure to configure
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• 2299[16:48:58] <SynrG> i haven't ever seen a case where a missing firmware caused a kernel to not configure, but i could be wrong about this ...
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• 2304[16:49:34] <Digital> I'm not sure now that you ask
• 2305[16:49:43] <AlexPortable> How do I export the choices I made in the installer to a preseed file?
• 2306[16:49:43] * Digital feels dumb
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• 2310[16:51:56] <Digital> wait, log files aren't saved? ugh
• 2311[16:52:21] <SynrG> Digital: the installer logs this stuff somewhere. /var/log/installer/ or so
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• 2313[16:53:06] <SynrG> maybe doesn't get put there until the end of the process though
• 2314[16:53:44] <SynrG> (but in that case, it's being logged *somewhere* before it gets copied, finally, to /target/var/log/installer/ in a hook that runs at the end)
• 2315[16:54:09] <SynrG> at least, based on my vague recollection :)
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• 2318[16:55:53] <Digital> I can't find it
• 2319[16:56:12] <Digital> does this work in a vm? i want to continue using my pc lol
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• 2328[16:58:06] <Digital> duh, i hope this goes fast
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• 2357[17:07:33] <gigaset> Hello everyone. I installed heirloom-mailx and sendmail and gave a try to the command mail -s “Helloworld” me@mymail.com . entered the text, EOT, no error output, but the mail never arrived. Is it intended to be so?
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• 2361[17:08:04] <klys> gigaset, ping mymail.com
• 2362[17:08:38] <gigaset> 0% packet loss, all good
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• 2364[17:08:49] <klys> was the address 127.0.0.1 ?
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• 2366[17:09:00] <gigaset> klys, nope, was my personal email address
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• 2370[17:09:43] <CeBe> gigaset: mailq and tail -f /var/log/mail.log should help figuring out where the mail is
• 2371[17:09:47] <SynrG> what does mailq say?
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• 2373[17:10:00] <SynrG> ^
• 2374[17:10:01] <SynrG> heh
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• 2387[17:13:15] <gigaset> mailq: /var/spool/mqueue is empty
• 2388[17:13:24] <gigaset> Total request:0
• 2389[17:13:42] <SynrG> gigaset: whose mail server? yours, or your ISP's?
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• 2392[17:15:07] <SynrG> gigaset: try sending a longer test message? i'm thinking if it was your ISP's mailserver, your excessively short email got spam filtered into the bit bucket :p
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• 2394[17:15:21] <CeBe> gigaset: /var/log/mail.log should contain a few records telling you what happend with the email
• 2395[17:15:27] <SynrG> that too
• 2396[17:15:29] <gigaset> SynrG, that is it, I probably need a mail server first!
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• 2398[17:15:44] <SynrG> gigaset: most people don't need mail servers
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• 2401[17:16:25] <SynrG> a simple one that routes mail to an ISP's mailserver set up as a smarthost is all that's needed to deliver emails to internet addresses
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• 2404[17:16:46] <SynrG> i'm assuming that's how you have it set up, though maybe i'm wrong on this point ...
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• 2406[17:17:31] <gigaset> SynrG, I still haven't set up anything, sorry for being so naive
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• 2409[17:19:13] <gigaset> I will get a server, as I just need the computer to send me an email when it gets rebooted
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• 2414[17:20:47] <gigaset> even though it may be a bit of an overkill to set a server up just to inform me of a reboot...
• 2415[17:20:54] <SynrG> gigaset: really? i thought installing a mailx would bring an MTA in as a dep
• 2416[17:20:59] <piGoJeff> #raspbian
• 2417[17:21:36] <gigaset> SynrG, so you say it should work straight away?
• 2418[17:21:46] <SynrG> well, do you have exim4-daemon-light?
• 2419[17:22:04] <SynrG> this is standard in Debian
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• 2421[17:22:10] <greycat> Suggests: exim4 | mail-transport-agent
• 2422[17:22:26] <gigaset> SynrG, ahem, I'm installing it now
• 2423[17:22:42] <SynrG> gigaset: you didn't install standard, just base?
• 2424[17:22:51] <gigaset> Yes
• 2425[17:23:04] <SynrG> ah
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• 2427[17:23:30] <SynrG> so are missing things "an administrator might reasonably expect to be there by default", gotcha ;_
• 2428[17:23:33] <SynrG> ;)
• 2429[17:23:38] <gigaset> sorry I probably should have mention it :)
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• 2431[17:23:43] <SynrG> np
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• 2433[17:24:04] <SynrG> greycat: skewed expectations, looking at stretch, too :p
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• 2435[17:24:37] <SynrG> greycat: bsd-mailx Depends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent
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• 2439[17:24:58] <greycat> Hmm, ok.
• 2440[17:25:08] <greycat> there are so many freakin' mailxes
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• 2442[17:25:16] <SynrG> heirloom is gone. couldn't directly compare :p
• 2443[17:25:32] <SynrG> well, not "gone". just no longer provides a mailx, iirc :)
• 2444[17:25:35] <greycat> WHEEZY's heirloom-mailx has Suggests: exim4 | mail-transport-agent
• 2445[17:25:47] <greycat> JESSIE's bsd-mailx has your Depends:
• 2446[17:26:00] <SynrG> heh. yay, symmetry
• 2447[17:26:03] <greycat> STRETCH's s-nail has Suggests: exim4 | mail-transport-agent
• 2448[17:27:11] <gigaset> I guess I also need postfix as MTA, right?
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• 2451[17:28:26] <SynrG> good grief. postfix? wtf?
• 2452[17:28:34] <SynrG> why on earth?
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• 2454[17:29:03] <greycat> That is one of the many choices.
• 2455[17:29:04] <arTee> m
• 2456[17:29:22] <SynrG> sure, if it's your preference
• 2457[17:29:23] <greycat> Debian uses exim4 by default, so that one may be more popular.
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• 2459[17:29:36] <SynrG> if *all* you want is to be able to make mailx work, seems like overkill
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• 2462[17:30:08] <SynrG> if all you need is local delivery, exim4-daemon-light (Priority: standard) is fine
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• 2464[17:30:40] <gigaset> perfect, I'll do my homework on that, thanks!
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• 2466[17:31:27] <greycat> But if you already *know* postfix in great depth, it's totally fine to use it.
• 2467[17:31:37] <gigaset> totally no
• 2468[17:31:40] <greycat> (I don't, but some people might.)
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• 2471[17:33:44] <CeBe> yeah, postfix is powerful, but therefor you need a bit of an effort to fully understand it first
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• 2480[17:42:00] <Digital> SynrG, nope, it wasn't a firmware issue
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• 2483[17:42:56] <SynrG> didn't think so. seemed the least likely explanation
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• 2485[17:43:17] <Digital> hopefully i have logs now
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• 2492[17:49:30] <AlexPortable> How do I export the choices I made in the installer to a preseed file?
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• 2496[17:51:22] <TomTomTo1> does checkinstall depend on Makefiles supporting the DESTDIR convention or does it not do a staged install?
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• 2504[17:56:45] <Digital> nope, i don't find anything
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• 2553[18:16:00] <Henry151> hello
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• 2556[18:16:49] <AlexLikeRock> hi GNU
• 2557[18:16:57] <AlexLikeRock> good mornig Henry151
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• 2560[18:17:08] <Henry151> I am struggling with audio. I've got three Toughbook CF-30's all with Debian Testing installed. One audio worked out of the box. Neither of the other two work.
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• 2577[18:21:54] <Henry151> When I go into settings and sound and click test speakers I get nothing out of them
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• 2595[18:29:11] <Digital> aarrgh
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• 2606[18:30:57] <Digital> the kernel installation fails because /boot is too small. I'm messed up stuff
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• 2609[18:32:04] <Digital> and this, dear newbies (including me) is why you need to learn to debug and read log files.
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• 2612[18:32:55] <mtn_> Digital: also why a seperate /boot is normally a bad idea, too
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• 2617[18:34:06] <Digital> I'm not normal :p
• 2618[18:34:33] <mtn_> Digital: and you get to pay for it, too
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• 2621[18:34:41] <hmuller> Is there a slick way of downloading and installing a single package from a different distribution, for example, installing raspbian-archive-keyring onto a debian system?
• 2622[18:35:03] <mtn_> hmuller: do you want to break your debian install?
• 2623[18:35:19] <mtn_> hmuller: replaced-url
• 2624[18:35:38] <hmuller> mtn_: raspbian-archive-keyring won't break the system =)
• 2625[18:36:23] <at0m> hmuller: while most of us are trying to get native debian running on rpi's ;p
• 2626[18:36:24] <hmuller> I already know how to do it the hard way, wget <file>, dpkg -i <file>
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• 2628[18:36:44] <Digital> mtn_, I made a bootable usb stick a while ago, with supergrub, which has an extra partition on that stick. no i want to make a second stick with a different os. i applied the same partition layout but mistook the supergrub partition for /boot (yes i feel very dumb)
• 2629[18:37:00] <hmuller> at0m: yes, I would love it if they had _platform_ support
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• 2634[18:37:47] <at0m> hmuller: i use rpi's netinstall from github, and change sources.list to debian repo's during install. so all packages are debian, except for the kernel and some broadcom blob
• 2635[18:37:52] <hmuller> I would then dump Raspbian like a hot potato
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• 2638[18:38:26] <at0m> hmuller: probably #raspbian
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• 2642[18:39:03] <unborn> hmuller: rpis are rubbish but for rsync backups and git services they are good.. for rest - they are useless.. for sure.. I would not dump them yet :D
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• 2645[18:39:50] <at0m> unborn: this rubbish has great use for many people. too bad it doesn't work for you.
• 2646[18:39:53] <unborn> at0m: you sould ask to rpis channel for support..
• 2647[18:39:57] <Digital> unborn, what is a better microcontroller in your opinion?
• 2648[18:39:59] <atrigent> is anybody going to fix the fallout of this: replaced-url
• 2649[18:40:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2650[18:40:16] <at0m> unborn: i know about rpi's, i'm not asking anything. sober up.
• 2651[18:40:20] <atrigent> the "fix" completely broke openjdk-8 packages in jessie backports
• 2652[18:40:26] <hmuller> Digital: the pi's aren't microcontrollers
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• 2654[18:40:36] <unborn> at0m: I use rp for my git repos.. been using rpis for about 3 years now.. and they are rubbish completely
• 2655[18:40:43] <unborn> at least for me..
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• 2657[18:40:57] <unborn> that is my personal statement..
• 2658[18:41:04] <Digital> microcomputers or whatever you'd call them
• 2659[18:41:20] <iflema> dirty rubbish
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• 2661[18:41:41] <unborn> at0m: grow up and - be sober
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• 2679[18:51:46] <no_gravity> Is it possible to launch an application and bring it to the fron via shell commands?
• 2680[18:52:12] <no_gravity> Firefox 51 seems to have a bug so it does not bring new windows to the front. When I start it, the focus is on the last application I used, not on Firefox.
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• 2682[18:52:21] <Digital> no_gravity, maybe xdotool does the job
• 2683[18:52:23] <AlexPortable> How do I export the choices I made in the installer to a preseed file?
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• 2941[19:02:08] <irc2000> so how much space does a debian installation take up?
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• 2944[19:02:19] <LeMike> Stop reading this leo! really... god damn it. hi all the others! ... leo stahp :P
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• 2947[19:02:27] <no_gravity> irc2000: How much do you have?
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• 2951[19:03:12] <spektrum_> irc2000: around 250 mb for the netinst.
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• 2954[19:03:34] <SynrG> ?
• 2955[19:03:48] <SynrG> spektrum_: nonsensical answer ...
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• 2958[19:05:01] <SynrG> The netinst can install varying amounts of material depending on what you select.
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• 2963[19:05:34] <spektrum_> SynrG: Of course, but for me it takes around 250 mb of disk.
• 2964[19:05:37] <irc2000> no_gravity: 4GB. But pretty much all linux installations that I've had has succeeded 8-32 gb rather fast
• 2965[19:06:06] <no_gravity> irc2000: All I know is that it works great with 10GB. Because that's how much I always assign to it.
• 2966[19:06:09] <greycat> Depends on how you use it, more than anything else.
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• 2968[19:06:48] <greycat> My wheezy VPS running a wiki is using 2.5 GB of space, which includes the wiki, but does not include a kernel package, etc. (those are inherited from the host through OpenVZ).
• 2969[19:06:54] <irc2000> I just want to run a webserver, that's all. I could do that under 1GB with archlinux. I got the picture of debian as a full DE os.
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• 2971[19:07:14] <greycat> Debian is very flexible. If you don't install a desktop, it won't have one.
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• 2973[19:07:30] <SynrG> spektrum_: comparing other people's m here, you're "special". so you can't really expect others to achieve your results without more carefully qualifying your answer.
• 2974[19:07:32] <irc2000> That would be nice though.
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• 2976[19:07:55] <SynrG> s/m/numbers/
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• 2978[19:07:55] <greycat> 1 GB would be very tight for most web servers, I think
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• 2980[19:08:03] <irc2000> yes.
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• 2982[19:08:19] <teraflops> irc2000: actuary debian is less bloated than archlinux regarding a tiny installation
• 2983[19:08:21] <irc2000> greycat: not a huge problem with archlinux though
• 2984[19:08:33] <irc2000> teraflops: really?
• 2985[19:08:43] <teraflops> irc2000: it's a fact
• 2986[19:08:43] <irc2000> hard to believe but entirely possible
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• 2988[19:09:06] <greycat> If you want exact answers, I would suggest you do a base install, or a standard install (which is bigger than base) and see.
• 2989[19:09:21] <SynrG> yep
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• 2992[19:10:59] <iron_houzi> Hi. I am trying to install docker 1.13 on stretch via .deb, because the PPA isn't working (The repository 'replaced-url
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• 2995[19:11:59] <irc2000> why would I want debian (instead of archlinux) for a webserver?
• 2996[19:12:16] <teraflops> use whatever you want
• 2997[19:12:23] <SynrG> !why debian
• 2998[19:12:23] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
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• 3002[19:15:01] <TomTomTo1> iron_houzi: show ud the command and output of your installation attempt and the outputs of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy docker-engine libdevmapper1.02.1; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; (plus whatever file you created in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for docker). paste all that information to paste.debian.net please.
• 3003[19:15:14] <TomTomTo1> s/show ud/show us/
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• 3007[19:18:02] <unborn> iron_houzi: if as you calling "ppa" is not working that means - dont do it..
• 3008[19:18:19] <iron_houzi> unborn: Sorry?
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• 3013[19:18:47] <unborn> iron_houzi: replaced-url
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• 3019[19:19:31] <unborn> awesome debian does not support ppas like ugly ubuntu...im I right or mistaking?
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• 3022[19:19:55] <dontknow> right
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• 3024[19:20:15] <dondelelcaro> unborn: you can still use them, but we don't support them.
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• 3026[19:20:52] <greycat> I can't imagine ubuntu actually "supports" them either.
• 3027[19:21:07] <unborn> me too greycat
• 3028[19:21:11] <greycat> Maybe "encourages" was the word you wanted...?
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• 3031[19:21:36] <iron_houzi> unborn: Just used the incorrect word. I was following the official Docker install guide replaced-url
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• 3034[19:21:43] <unborn> dondelelcaro: sure.. once you install them - please seek support from someone else
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• 3036[19:22:17] <unborn> iron_houzi: ah docker.. why not ask docker support in their official channels?#
• 3037[19:22:24] <missmbob> unborn: dondelelcaro has probably been here since before you were born
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• 3039[19:22:58] <iron_houzi> unborn: Are you being sincere?
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• 3042[19:23:16] <unborn> missmbob: - understand and? the policy you all teached me was avoid anything what is not debian based...
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• 3044[19:23:53] * unborn confused right now..
• 3045[19:24:14] <unborn> iron_houzi: of course not..
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• 3047[19:24:25] <unborn> iron_houzi: i have no idea about docker.
• 3048[19:24:47] <dondelelcaro> iron_houzi: you're probably better off installing the version of docker.io which we distribute
• 3049[19:24:56] <dondelelcaro> iron_houzi: unless you need a newer version of docker than we distribute.
• 3050[19:25:12] <iron_houzi> dondelelcaro: that's the point .. 1.5 is jurrasic
• 3051[19:25:24] <TomTomTo1> will i get the information i asked for?
• 3052[19:26:13] <iron_houzi> TomTomTo1: I was working on it .. do you think I can get docker 1.13 on Debian without breaking Debian?
• 3053[19:26:19] <dondelelcaro> iron_houzi: it looks like docker.io isn't even in testing, so that might be teh only way to get it
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• 3057[19:26:38] <dondelelcaro> iron_houzi: alternatively, I'm certain that paultag would love help keeping the docker.io packages up to date in debian.
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• 3059[19:26:47] <TomTomTo1> iron_houzi: yes, the upstream builds usually work fine. which debian version are you using?
• 3060[19:26:51] <dondelelcaro> iron_houzi: 1.11.2 is in unstable, but it's affected by CVE-2016-9962
• 3061[19:26:59] <dondelelcaro> (which is why there isn't currently a version in testing)
• 3062[19:27:07] <iron_houzi> TomTomTo1: I'm on stretch
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• 3066[19:27:57] <iron_houzi> .. since I also want "shiny" Python 3.5 ..
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• 3068[19:28:02] <TomTomTo1> can't vouch for that, but it works fine on jessie.
• 3069[19:28:05] <iron_houzi> s/want/need/
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• 3071[19:28:46] <iron_houzi> TomTomTo1: I was using jessie until it was evident that my Python code was using features that is not in 3.4 ..
• 3072[19:28:52] * unborn mods missmbob - however sometimes he is confused about what he supposed to give hand out and what not.. - i wont get any other ban for supporting something which is not debian based.. please forgive me missmbob.
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• 3075[19:28:57] <iron_houzi> need 3.5 at least..
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• 3077[19:29:14] * unborn anyway - cooking
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• 3080[19:29:50] <TomTomTo1> ah, I use python-virtualenv if i ever need a different python interpreter.
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• 3082[19:30:07] <atrigent> I'm encountering a dependency resolution issue where apt-get needs to pick one of two versions of a package to install, and it picks the wrong one and doesn't seem to even attempt to use the other one
• 3083[19:30:12] <atrigent> is this a known class of issues?
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• 3087[19:30:35] <iron_houzi> TomTomTo1: Yeah .. perhaps that's the way to go .. thanks for your feedback
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• 3091[19:31:01] <atrigent> I have the Debug::pkgProblemResolver output if anyone is interested
• 3092[19:31:08] <TomTomTo1> glad to help.
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• 3116[19:45:10] <TomTomTo1> atrigent: sure, show us the output you have. also the command you used and apt-cache policy <pkg> <problematic dependency> please use paste.debian.net
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• 3119[19:46:49] <atrigent> just a moment
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• 3125[19:48:33] <dontknow> i set up trim for ssd, added some kernel commands to disable stuff etc in jessie. if i upgraded to testing, would it break my setup?
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• 3135[19:52:40] <atrigent> TomTomTo1: replaced-url
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• 3139[19:53:33] <atrigent> there are other people complaining about this issue here: replaced-url
• 3140[19:53:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3141[19:53:37] <TomTomTo1> atrigent: if you are trying to install a package from jessie-backports you need to specify the -t jessie-backports flag while installing.
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• 3143[19:54:34] <atrigent> ok... so, it seems that you don't have to specify that for packages that are new in jessie-backports?
• 3144[19:54:49] <atrigent> because we've never had to add that for openjdk-8-jdk
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• 3146[19:55:29] <dixie7z> hello guys. after day of torture I decided to wipe debian stretch but now.... i want to go back again :( im not sure what's the problem... I was unable to boot into debian or ever recovery mode. black screen... with monodeset option set in grub it boots.... so it should be graphic problem... i tried Xubuntu 16.04 new release to reinstall... again, same problem on booting the installation media... black screen... i have amd xfx
• 3147[19:55:29] <dixie7z> hd6870.... something is messed up in newest release... i changed kernel during troubleshooting, it didn't help... now i'm unable to start installation media for xubuntu... black screen... maybe debian stable will work but for how long?
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• 3153[19:56:35] <TomTomTo1> that only worked because there is no version of openjdk-8-jdk in jessie/main. but now you also need to pull ca-certificates-java from backports, which will not be done if you don't use the -t jessie-backports flag.
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• 3159[19:57:57] <atrigent> sorta seems to me like apt-get should be able to figure that out, since it's already getting one package from there, but yeah, that worked
• 3160[19:58:04] <atrigent> thanks
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• 3164[19:58:36] <somiaj> atrigent: it is important that it doesn't, backports packages are not tested as well and have far less quality control, so packages should not be installed from backports unless you explicity ask for it.
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• 3166[19:59:34] <atrigent> is there a way to specify globally that I really want jessie-backports?
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• 3168[19:59:47] <atrigent> since adding it to sources.list apparently isn't enough?
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• 3170[20:00:00] <TomTomTo1> yes, through pinning, but you really don't want to do that.
• 3171[20:00:00] <greycat> You specify -t jessie-backports on each apt-get command.
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• 3173[20:00:32] <somiaj> atrigent: you don't want jessie-backports packages by default, You only want them on a case by case basis for what you need.
• 3174[20:00:58] <atrigent> somiaj: that's not actually true, but ok
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• 3183[20:04:04] <atrigent> but, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right and I want to only get openjdk-8-jdk from jessie-backports - do I need to put openjdk-8-jdk in its own apt-get command for this to work? openjdk-8-jdk/jessie-backports has the same issue
• 3184[20:04:07] <somiaj> atrigent: jessie-backport packages do not have the same security support and do not have nearly the same quality control. So in general installing packages without security support and are not as tested as well should not be the default pinning. You can change this and deal wiht any bugs because of this.
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• 3187[20:04:37] <somiaj> atrigent: when installing jessie-backports packages you should include a -t jessie-backports in the command to ensure the pinning is updated to pull in depends and things from jessie-backports
• 3188[20:05:03] <dontknow> i set up trim for ssd, added some kernel commands to disable stuff etc in jessie. if i upgraded to testing, would it break my setup?
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• 3191[20:05:24] <krokodil> Hello
• 3192[20:05:26] <somiaj> dontknow: I don't think so, the mount options/kernel options are still the same afaik.
• 3193[20:05:41] <somiaj> dontknow: you can double check they are still set, but they should be.
• 3194[20:05:50] <dontknow> ok
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• 3197[20:06:48] <atrigent> what I REALLY want is for my build to not randomly break when dependencies change
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• 3199[20:06:58] <atrigent> apt-get should either use backports or not
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• 3204[20:08:08] <AlexPortable> How do I export the choices I made in the installer to a preseed file?
• 3205[20:08:09] <somiaj> atrigent: this is part of the drawback to backports, they are not as well tested.
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• 3207[20:08:22] <atrigent> somiaj: no, this is apt-get's fault
• 3208[20:08:37] <atrigent> entirely
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• 3212[20:09:04] <somiaj> apt-get is doing what it is supose to via pinning.
• 3213[20:09:07] <atrigent> it should either completely ignore backports unless your tell it or not ignore it at all
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• 3215[20:09:59] <atrigent> to be able to implicitly install certain backports packages but not implicitly pull in their dependencies is ridiculous
• 3216[20:10:12] <futurama140> Excuse me, ladies and gentlefops, but I am having a problem that I wish to inquire about with you who know vastly more than me: I am trying to run classiccube (a free opensource minecraft classic) and I am getting errors when trying to use either wine or mono, as the official website stated. It refers me to an error log which I have posted here: replaced-url
• 3217[20:10:24] <somiaj> atrigent: look at the output of apt-cache policy packagename -- this will tell you why apt is choosing the package to install that is
• 3218[20:10:28] <somiaj> futurama140: please don't cross post
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• 3221[20:11:48] <atrigent> somiaj: do you seriously think this is reasonable behavior?
• 3222[20:12:42] <TomTomTo1> yes, it just doesn't produce the desired outcome in your particular case.
• 3223[20:12:44] <atrigent> like, I get that maybe it can't be changed easily now because of backword compatibility, but it's definitely not how things should have been designed initially
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• 3225[20:13:35] <atrigent> TomTomTo1: by "my particular case" you mean "when there are dependencies"?
• 3226[20:14:45] <atrigent> also, please see this bug: replaced-url
• 3227[20:14:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3229[20:15:01] <TomTomTo1> apt is meant to install the highest version of a package in the highest pinned repo that is available. if openjdk-8 is only in jessie-backports (which is intentionally pinned low) but it's dependencies are available in main, it will try to install the dependencies from main. which is what apt is meant to do.
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• 3231[20:15:16] <AlexPortable> How do I export the choices I made in the installer to a preseed file?
• 3232[20:16:23] <atrigent> TomTomTo1: I understand how it's designed, but that doesn't explain how you can justify this behavior
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• 3238[20:17:37] <TomTomTo1> i want apt to respect the pinning i set.
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• 3242[20:18:20] <atrigent> ok? then why is it installing openjdk-8-jdk, which is from a non-pinned repository?
• 3243[20:18:42] <TomTomTo1> jessie-backports is pinned, just very low.
• 3244[20:20:42] <TomTomTo1> but setting Breaks: ca-certificates-java (<< 20160321~) in the control file seems to be a workaround discussed in the bug report you posted. it just takes some time to get into jessie-backports.
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• 3249[20:21:55] <atrigent> ...what? no, that's the change that CAUSED this issue
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• 3251[20:22:11] <TomTomTo1> heh, maybe not. whatever. use the -t jessie-backports flag if you need to install something from there. it's really not that big of a deal.
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• 3253[20:22:40] <TomTomTo1> yeah, just read it further.
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• 3377[21:31:05] <Agafnd> so, I cannot install anything with pip today
• 3378[21:31:12] <Agafnd> it is the same as this replaced-url
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• 3380[21:31:29] <Agafnd> "ImportError: cannot import name 'IncompleteRead'"
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• 3386[21:33:45] <KaffeeJunky123> For some reason chromium is started with the --disable-extensions-except option on my debian stretch installation, does anyone know how to change that?
• 3387[21:34:12] <atrigent> ok, so, motivated by wanting to change as little as possible about what is happening in my build, I am trying to add as little as I need from jessie-backports in order for the build to work
• 3388[21:34:38] <atrigent> I have determined that apt-get install -t jessie-backports openjdk-8-jdk is NOT what I want, because it pulls in backports stuff that was not previously being pulled in
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• 3391[21:35:11] <atrigent> how do I solve this without explicitly listing dependencies?
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• 3399[21:38:11] <jdd> Hello debian! I'm trying to setup my system as a genode build environment, and everything was running smoothly until make told me mkisofs wasn't found... but mkisofs was deprecated for genisoimage a while ago. I'm at a roadblock and would love assistance
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• 3421[21:52:32] <atrigent> is this not possible?
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• 3426[21:55:59] <tw> atrigent: you can rebuild the openjdk-8 package from backports against jessie locally and it will have the proper library links, probably.
• 3427[21:56:31] <atrigent> library links aren't the issue...
• 3428[21:56:35] <tw> Are you sure?
• 3429[21:56:39] <atrigent> yes...
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• 3432[21:58:25] <atrigent> the only additional thing needed from jessie-backports is ca-certificates-java
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• 3435[21:59:03] <atrigent> do I really have to hold apt-get's hand here?
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• 3438[21:59:20] <tw> manually pull that file and gdebi file.deb ?
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• 3442[21:59:51] <atrigent> I'd also like to point out that this apparent lack of functionalit is distinctly against the ideal that you guys were stating earlier about restricting what you take from backports
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• 3444[22:00:11] <atrigent> if the finest tool you have for specifying that is the -t option
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• 3450[22:00:58] <atrigent> (the finest tool that doesn't involve doing apt-get's work for it, that is)
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• 3452[22:02:39] <tw> jdd: if you haven't already edited your makefile, you might try symlinking like: ln -s genisoimage /usr/bin/mkisofs
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• 3456[22:05:21] <jdd> tw: i will do just that, brb
• 3457[22:05:30] <tw> jdd: this is your defect btw. replaced-url
• 3458[22:05:53] <tw> there is a patch in there for genode if the symlink does not work (it will)
• 3459[22:06:10] <jdd> tw: your kung fu is strong and i thank you
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• 3508[22:39:40] <benlue> ./shelltest: 19: ./shelltest: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string. Any ideas? shelltest: replaced-url
• 3509[22:40:10] <greycat> Find the unterminated string, or the unterminated syntax element, and fix it.
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• 3511[22:40:35] <greycat> At least you're pretty sure it's somewhere in the first 19 lines.
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• 3517[22:43:36] <benlue> greycat, can you see anywere 19 lines in both files?
• 3518[22:43:55] <greycat> I am not going to open your code.
• 3519[22:44:23] <greycat> If 19 was a command name instead of a line number then you're DEFINITELY on your own.
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• 3524[22:47:45] <adleff> has anyone had issues using the ssl-enum-ciphers nmap script against an iis box
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• 3526[22:48:07] <adleff> I get nothing in the output but another windows version of nmap is getting results
• 3527[22:48:16] <adleff> apt is giving me nmap 6.4
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• 3529[22:49:21] <greycat> ,v nmap
• 3530[22:49:24] <judd> Package: nmap on amd64 -- wheezy: 6.00-0.3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6.40-0.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6.47-3+deb8u2; stretch: 7.40-1; sid: 7.40-1
• 3531[22:49:33] <greycat> Sounds normal.
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• 3539[22:53:12] <adleff> I'm no expert with the tool but I'm finding that my mileage is varying a lot with it, depending on what platform and version I'm running :-/
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• 3541[22:53:40] <adleff> I get plenty of output back from say facebook
• 3542[22:53:46] <adleff> iis box returns nothing. very frustrating.
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• 3555[22:59:02] <jdd> tw: the patch hasn't been merged upstream yet but setting the symlink worked without a hitch. I've got an iso created for supertux running directly on sel4 :D
• 3556[22:59:17] <`Kevin> benlue: remove -e from mysql if you are pulling in sql
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• 3558[22:59:32] <`Kevin> also no need to set the pager
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• 3563[23:02:33] <jdd> gonna test it on baremetal brb
• 3564[23:02:35] <tw> jdd: Cool cool, I've looked at genode, but it seemed like it would be hard to get posix-y userspace out of it without most of the depgraph going through a gigantic noux subsystem. I also didn't see ASLR support.
• 3565[23:02:36] <`Kevin> benlue: also line 10 is unterminated
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• 3571[23:05:00] <jdd> tw: Indeed. The stated roadmap looks like they've got some pretty exciting plans for this year!
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• 3598[23:26:01] <Tester1> Hi everyone. I accidentally "broke" my usb pen I think. I was formating it in files (slow) but I accidentally took it out before it was competed. I recived some form of error wich I can't remember, and then it's not located in files anymore. When I was a windows user I normally fixed things like this with Hireens boot CD. Is this the way to go for Debian too? If yes or no, please tell me the best way to handle this problem.
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• 3604[23:31:21] <mtn_> Tester1: does it show in the Disks app?
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• 3607[23:31:50] <Tester1> mtn_: You mean in files where "computer" etc is? No it does not.
• 3608[23:32:04] <mtn_> Tester1: no. I mean the app named Disks
• 3609[23:32:18] <mtn_> Tester1: which desktop are you using?
• 3610[23:32:53] <Tester1> mtn_: yes it do. Didn't know of this app. I'm on gnome.
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• 3612[23:33:16] <mtn_> Tester1: ok, so it shows there?
• 3613[23:33:35] <Tester1> mtn_: yeah, I'm formating it now again. looks like it works :) Thank you.
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• 3615[23:33:48] <mtn_> Tester1: ok. great. you are welcome
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• 3627[23:39:11] <Max2> Hello debian lovers
• 3628[23:39:21] <bazhang> hi
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• 3630[23:39:50] <Max2> thanks
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