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0[00:00:12] <JetBalsa> sounded like I was talking to someone
from a 50s radio station, it was strange
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2[00:02:02] <Shadow_7> mainframes were more of a 60s thing.
Although didn't see widespread adoption until the 70s (outside
of government anyway)
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5[00:03:15] <Shadow_7> Always nice to see code that
hadn't been touched since the 70s on a Y2K project. Or been
seen by anyone living.
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8[00:04:53] <Shadow_7> Fortunately the code that had to be
moded based on it's disassembly assembler code, was assembler
to start with.
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13[00:06:30] <jhutchins> Finally hit a roadblock. Grub was
unable to install for UEFI. Debian is on (hd0,gpt7), and I can set
that as root, set the kernel and initrd, but boot says "no
suitble video mode found, booting in blind mode".
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16[00:07:03] <jhutchins> terminal_output shows spkmodem
serial_* gfxterm cbmemc audio
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17[00:07:16] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: nomodeset as a kernel parm?
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23[00:09:36] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: Nope, I don't think it
gets that far.
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33[00:14:50] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: can you chainload another
grub.cfg ? GRUB> configfile (hd0,gpt7)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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36[00:15:46] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: might need to insmod
part_gpt and insmod ext2 first to have it show up in GRUB> ls
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70[00:29:58] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: No, this was the first
intall attmpt.
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71[00:30:20] <jhutchins> I can list files on the partition from
the grub command line.
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72[00:30:33] <userro> libc6 is the problem. It is causing all
the problems.
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73[00:30:34] <jhutchins> I think I need to configure a mode for
gfxterm, but no idea how.
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74[00:31:29] <userro> didn't anyone get libc6 installation
problems when upgrading to stretch?
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78[00:31:59] <missmbob> userro: i havent heard of it. i'm
here about 10 hours a day every day
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79[00:32:28] <userro> hm
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80[00:32:37] <userro> it is probably a bug
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81[00:32:40] <userro> then
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83[00:33:25] <userro> I've reinstalled it two times and I
got the same errors
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87[00:36:06] <fsmithred> has anyone else gotten this message on
upgrading the login package?
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88[00:36:09] <fsmithred> unable to install new version of
`/bin/su': Device or resource busy
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89[00:36:28] <fsmithred> of course, /bin/su was busy because I
was root
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90[00:37:41] <userro> can we give normal users the ability to
install packages?
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91[00:37:56] <missmbob> no
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92[00:38:17] <userro> :D
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93[00:38:20] <missmbob> userro: you can give them sudo powers
if that's okay
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101[00:42:31] <userro> may be older version of libc6 will work
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107[00:44:38] <bazhang> older version of libc6
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108[00:45:00] <bazhang> that's a disaster waiting in the
wings
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109[00:45:28] <userro> oh lol
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113[00:45:51] <missmbob> i suggest you keep that phone on jessie
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114[00:46:20] <userro> ok
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115[00:46:45] <userro> I'll try 5.1 version of GCC instead
of 6.3 version
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118[00:47:05] <userro> on jessie
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124[00:47:38] <baum> what do you need gcc 6.3 for? maybe your
problem could be solved another way? userro
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127[00:48:13] <missmbob> seriously you said you wanted your
phone to host something. why does gcc version matter?
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130[00:48:41] <userro> gcc has a file I need
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132[00:49:08] <userro> It is called GHXJSJS or something like
that
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136[00:50:07] <baum> userro: did you already try to just install
gcc locally?
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138[00:50:44] <baum> (i mean building it by yourselfe)
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140[00:50:45] <userro> yes it is installed but that file is not
that version. It is in 5.1 version
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141[00:50:56] <missmbob> if you must, a stretch chroot might
work. then you dont have to worry about this weird upgrade problem
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142[00:51:00] <userro> file name is GLIBCXX_3.4.21
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144[00:51:29] <missmbob> i have 6.3 and dont have that
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148[00:52:16] <userro> wtf
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149[00:52:30] <baum> userro: do you have libstdc++6 installed?
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151[00:53:05] <userro> yes it was installed before I reinstalled
the os
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154[00:53:50] <baum> well in this case i guess i'd just
compile it on my own
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155[00:53:57] <missmbob> chroot i say
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156[00:54:25] <missmbob> but i still dont have that file :P
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161[00:56:07] <userro> ok
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167[00:58:00] <userro> I even forgot why I started doing this
until you asked me. :D
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168[00:58:19] <userro> this is so stressful
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170[00:58:42] <missmbob> userro: take a couple hours off and
have a couple beers
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172[00:58:53] <baum> which is precisely why i asked, been there
:)
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173[00:59:35] <userro> :)
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197[01:11:02] <Shadow_7> jhutchins: normally I do debootstrap
installs and update-grub takes care of that in a chroot. Although I
tend to use another installs grub to boot it first time.
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202[01:14:36] <DeFender1031> was there an update to passwd and
login recently?
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204[01:14:56] <missmbob> yes
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205[01:15:08] <DeFender1031> where can I find details?
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206[01:15:32] <missmbob>
replaced-url
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208[01:16:08] <DeFender1031> thanks
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258[01:34:44] <tofutoon> With this hardware, I'm able to
play and record sound on Ubuntu. I managed to get audio to play on
Debian, but it no longer works. I'm trying to determine whether
the current problem is with Alsa or Pulseaudio. lsusb and lspci
correctly show my devices. What's the best way to diagnose
alsa?
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262[01:37:15] <zykotick9> tofutoon: i'd start by running
"alsamixer" from terminal and verifying that nothing has
MM (for mute) and everything is turned up. also check F6 to change
devices... good luck.
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272[01:42:31] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cat /proc/asound/cards ... to
make sure you have recognized and driver supplied devices.
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273[01:42:42] <ubikite> anybody having segfaults running dnsmasq
2.72-3+deb8u1 version?
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274[01:43:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise index 0 is the
default and probably not the card you want. might be an input only
device like webcam
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277[01:44:12] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: cat /proc/asound/cards shows
my two cards. The first (index 0) is for audio playing and the
second (index 1) is for my microphone.
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283[01:45:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: then check that it's not
muted. If other daemons are in play (jackd or pulseaudio) make sure
those are as expected
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284[01:46:06] <tofutoon> Should Loopback be disabled?
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285[01:46:10] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise $ speaker-test -c 2
-l 1
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286[01:46:37] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it's used for recording
what goes out the speaker. Not many use that.
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287[01:46:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: or do you mean the network
loopback?
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288[01:47:15] <tofutoon> In alsamixer, something is labelled
Loopback. That is disabled.
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291[01:48:12] <Shadow_7> probably good to have it disabled.
Likely to be the mic direct to speaker, which could cause feedback
sounds
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292[01:48:56] <tofutoon> Also, on my microphone card, Auto Gain
Controll is off.
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295[01:49:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: also good unless you're
doing a phone call. agc adjusts gain based on input signal
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297[01:50:54] <tofutoon> Shadow_7:
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298[01:51:14] <Shadow_7> Sounds like a fancy device.
Haven't seen those options on my hardware.
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300[01:52:10] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It's a $600 laptop from
2011, and a $60 microphone sound card from like 2007.
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302[01:52:47] <Shadow_7> I have an m-audio delta 44, and an
m-audio mobile pre. Otherwise the same old boring hda-intel that
everything has now
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303[01:53:27] <tofutoon> Does the speaker-test suggest
everything is working?
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304[01:54:02] <Shadow_7> did you hear pink noise on left speaker
then right ( -c 2 )
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305[01:54:08] <tofutoon> No
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308[01:54:24] <Shadow_7> The -l 1 loops it once otherwise it
loops forever
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309[01:54:50] <Shadow_7> sometimes useful to let that go if you
need to fiddle with levels or check pulseaudio
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310[01:54:55] <tofutoon> Is that using just alsa or also
pulseaudio?
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311[01:55:09] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: whatever .asoundrc tells it
to use
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313[01:55:48] <tofutoon> where is .asoundrc?
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315[01:56:12] <psychoticwarrior> onboard wireless card fails in
kali linux how to fix?
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316[01:56:20] <missmbob> psychoticwarrior: ask them
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317[01:56:23] <missmbob> !kali
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318[01:56:23] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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319[01:56:29] <Shadow_7> in ~/ aka /home/{user}/ ...
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322[01:57:17] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I don't have that file.
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323[01:57:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: if using pulseaudio, use
pavucontrol to configure it
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324[01:57:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you tend to have to create
it, otherwise globals in /etc/sound/ or other places depending on
distro.
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325[01:57:57] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tried that. It doesn't
let me modify things, and the microphone does not appear.
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327[01:58:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cp
/usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf .asoundrc
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329[01:59:07] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: is the user in the audio
group? $(groups)
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330[01:59:11] <tofutoon> yes
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332[02:00:00] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: are you trying to use HDMI
audio?
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337[02:01:07] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It doesn't matter to me
whether I use HDMI audio or not. The system keeps setting the output
to (HDMI) output, but that never works.
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340[02:01:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: $ egrep -r -i hdmi
/proc/asound/*
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341[02:01:53] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: The one time I managed to get
audio output to work (on this system), I used Analog Stereo Output,
but I can't seem to reproduce that.
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343[02:02:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: HDMI audio tends to be hw:0,3
but sound defaults to hw:0,0
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345[02:02:54] <tofutoon> Shadow_7:
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346[02:02:58] <Shadow_7> aka card + device. in the .asound rc it
would look something like... defaults.pcm.card 0 \n
defaults.pcm.device 3
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349[02:04:09] <tofutoon> This is the copied over .asoundrc
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350[02:04:20] <tofutoon> It's using pulse
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352[02:04:54] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: does pavucontrol give you
options?
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353[02:05:54] <tofutoon> In Configuration, there is Built-in
Audio and AK5370 I/F A/D Converter. The latter only has the choice
Profile: Off. The former has the choices:
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355[02:07:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly the last tab on
pavucontrol and disable anything you are not using. And on playback
unmute make default, and adjust levels for that which you are using.
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358[02:07:56] <tofutoon> Analog Stereo Output, Analog Stereo
Duplex, Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output, Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output +
Analog Stereo Input, Analog Suround 4.0 Output, Analog Suround 4.0
Output + Analog Stereo Input, Analog Suround 4.0 Output, Analog
Stereo Input, and Off
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361[02:08:22] <tofutoon> Built-in Audio is set to Analog Stereo
Output
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362[02:08:44] <tofutoon> There are 8 choices total including
off.
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363[02:09:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly master unmuted and up,
and PCM unmuted and up to hear sound
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364[02:09:21] <tofutoon> AK5370 I/F A/D Converter only has
choice off. My microphone is plugged into this card.
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365[02:09:36] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: It looked like the installer
attempted to install grub-efi and failed. Obviously it installed
enogh that it loads the grub prompt, but if I pick Debian in the EfI
menu it goes straight to the prompt. Fortunately, I can trigger the
EFI menu, and if I choose Windows it starts defaulting to that.
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366[02:10:04] <jhutchins> This is the kind of thing the old
non-graphical bootloaders were meant to avoid.
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367[02:10:11] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: What do you mean by master
unmuted and up, and PCM unmuted and up to hear sound?
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369[02:11:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: should be furthest left
channel in alsamixer
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373[02:12:17] <tofutoon> In alsamixer, Auto-Mute M is disabled.
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378[02:15:49] <tofutoon> Shadow_7:
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379[02:15:57] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: amixer (no parms... should
say [on] if NOT muted)
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381[02:16:48] <tofutoon> Sorry. I didn't understand what
you mean?
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384[02:17:47] <tofutoon> Where does it say no params?
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386[02:18:07] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: speaker and beep should
probably be un-muted... "M" in alsamixer. (F1 for help).
Beep might want to be 10% though.
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389[02:18:29] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: or is all your speakers on
the headphone out jack? not line out or other?
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390[02:19:07] <tofutoon> The laptop has speakers, and I have an
ordinary headset plugged in. The monitor does not have speakers.
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391[02:19:50] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and you're using the
headset? having it plugged it will mute the speakers and such
depending on hardware.
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393[02:20:34] <tofutoon> Right
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395[02:20:44] <tofutoon> I have the headset plugged in.
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396[02:20:54] <tofutoon> I unmuted those options. Thanks. Let me
try it.
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404[02:23:43] <tofutoon> Plugging in the headphones causes
Speaker and S/PDIF to be MM.
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405[02:24:00] <tofutoon> With that setting, I still have no
audio.
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406[02:24:47] <Shadow_7> S/PDIF is the digital audio output
(optical?)
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407[02:24:57] <tofutoon> I don't know.
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408[02:25:07] <Shadow_7> Do the headphones work?
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409[02:25:11] <tofutoon> No
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410[02:25:21] <tofutoon> Yes, the headphones work.
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411[02:25:30] <tofutoon> I hear system sounds.
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412[02:26:18] <tofutoon> And, they worked earlier today with
audio.
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415[02:26:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: odd that it shows up as intel
cougar HDMI. lspci -nnk
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417[02:27:24] <Shadow_7> Just curious what the vender:device hex
numbers are
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418[02:27:47] <Shadow_7> could be usb based... so... lsusb
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419[02:28:24] <Shadow_7> that [ffff:ffff] number is good for
google-ing
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replaced-url
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424[02:31:07] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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428[02:31:44] <tofutoon> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel
Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition
Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 05)
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430[02:32:01] <tofutoon> is the internal audio card for speakers
and headphones
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431[02:32:09] <ffef> hi
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432[02:32:12] <tofutoon> Bus 004 Device 007: ID 0556:0001 Asahi
Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd AK5370 I/F A/D Converter
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433[02:32:21] <tofutoon> is the external USB device
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435[02:32:55] <ffef> what is the "admin" account for?
why is it created by default/does it serve any purpose? is it safe
to remove?
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437[02:33:34] <AlexLikeRock> why not exist Package nvidia-glx ?
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438[02:34:06] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: you dont have non-free in
your sources.list
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439[02:34:06] <AlexLikeRock> to strech
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440[02:34:17] <AlexLikeRock> yes, i have
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442[02:34:35] <AlexLikeRock>
replaced-url
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443[02:34:49] <missmbob> oh, stretch. i'm not sure what
replaced it
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444[02:35:06] <missmbob> maybe asking the stretch people at
#debian-next on oftc
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445[02:35:07] <AlexLikeRock> i can not install NVIDIA DRIVER
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446[02:35:18] <AlexLikeRock> * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel
is invite only).
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447[02:35:23] <theraspberry> lol
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448[02:35:26] <missmbob> AlexLikeRock: oftc not freenode
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450[02:35:36] <AlexLikeRock> ok
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451[02:35:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: 8086:1c20 standard hda-intel
chipset by the looks of it. Anything special about this setup? dell
laptop?
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452[02:36:24] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It's an HP laptop.
It's a vanilla Debian install.
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454[02:36:53] <tofutoon> After my upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04LTS
to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS failed, I decided to install Debian.
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456[02:37:19] <tofutoon> I managed to get everything working
except the audio.
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457[02:37:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: do you want audio out the
laptop speakers? or the HDMI connected display?
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458[02:37:45] <tofutoon> laptop speakers. The HDMI connected
display does not have speakers.
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460[02:38:01] <tofutoon> either the laptop speakers or the
headsets
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461[02:38:18] <tofutoon> depending on whether or not the
headsets are plugged in
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463[02:38:46] <tofutoon> I actually had audio working. Then, I
did something... and it stopped working on Debian.
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464[02:39:00] <tofutoon> I was trying to get the microphone
working, but that never worked on Debian.
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465[02:39:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: are you using pulseaudio? do
you want to use it?
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466[02:39:57] <tofutoon> Ideally, I would like to use
pulseaudio.
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467[02:40:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: do you start pulseaudio
manually?
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470[02:41:08] <tofutoon> no, but I was troubleshooting, and I
tried the following
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471[02:41:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you accidentally try to
start pulseaudio as root?
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472[02:41:34] <tofutoon> yes
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473[02:41:40] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it tends to create /.pulse/
stuffs that get in the way
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474[02:41:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ls -al /
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475[02:42:09] <Shadow_7> if there's .pulse there, delete it
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477[02:42:20] <tofutoon> No .pulse
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478[02:42:32] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: .config or any .??? 's
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480[02:42:43] <tofutoon> No
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481[02:43:16] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: if $(pgrep pulseaudio)
returns a number/pid, kill them
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482[02:43:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ideally with $ pulseaudio
--kill
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484[02:43:57] <tofutoon> {17:43}/usr ➭ $(pgrep pulseaudio)
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485[02:43:57] <tofutoon> zsh: command not found: 1213
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487[02:44:10] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but doesn't always work.
otherwise reboot... might also want to rm the .config/pulse or
.pulse/ stuff in ~/
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488[02:44:26] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the $() is decorative in that
case
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490[02:44:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: a modern bash-ish for the ``
of old
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492[02:45:20] <tofutoon> Should I reboot?
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493[02:45:35] <tofutoon> I tried the following commands:
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494[02:45:35] <tofutoon> $ rm -r ~/.config/pulse /tmp/pulse-* $
pulseaudio --kill $ pulseaudio --start
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495[02:45:40] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you delete any stray
pulse .config stuff?
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496[02:45:54] <tofutoon> I delete .config/pulse
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497[02:46:02] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulse
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498[02:46:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: then reboot... easiest way to
start clean
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499[02:46:19] <tofutoon> cool
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500[02:46:37] <tofutoon> be back in 2 minutes
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510[02:51:37] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I rebooted.
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511[02:51:58] <tofutoon> FYI, the ~/.config/pulse directory was
not recreated.
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514[02:52:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: You have to use audio first
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515[02:52:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: use audio with pulseaudio
running
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517[02:53:17] <tofutoon> Shadow: FYI, there is a
/run/user/1000/pulse directory. I tried watching a Youtube video.
There is no sound
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518[02:53:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I tend to pust
"autospawn=no" in /etc/pulse/client.conf so I can --start
and --kill pulseaudio to taste
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521[02:54:33] <tofutoon> Should I add that to the very end of
the file?
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522[02:55:04] <tofutoon> Oh, there's a setting.
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523[02:55:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I tend to copy the line, and
comment one of them (original), then change the copy
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524[02:58:06] <tofutoon> After adding that line, I get this
error:
replaced-url
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527[02:58:23] <tofutoon> I was also getting this error without
the autospawn=no line.
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529[02:59:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you'll get that first
time, when it creates it.
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531[02:59:56] <tofutoon> The .config/pulse directory wasn't
created.
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533[03:00:24] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulse directory wasn't
created.
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534[03:00:30] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulseaudio --start ...then...
pgrep pulseaudio
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535[03:01:22] <tofutoon>
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537[03:03:07] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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538[03:03:28] <Shadow_7> so you have more than one running...
not good... pulseaudio --kill ...or... kill -9 both those pids
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543[03:04:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but good that they're
running. so don't need to check /var/log/ stuff for why it
wasn't running.
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545[03:05:20] <userro> wow finally it worked I'm so happy
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546[03:05:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: once pgrep returns no pids, $
pulseaudio --start
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547[03:05:44] <userro> thank you for helping me
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550[03:06:28] <tofutoon> As you can see,
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551[03:06:35] <tofutoon> One was started by Debian+.
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552[03:06:51] <tofutoon> probably at boot time
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555[03:08:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: probably... mostly it needs
to be started by the user who is going to use sound... Otherwise
pulseaudio isn't so good about sharing without a network setup
(even locally)
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556[03:08:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I killed all the pulseaudio
servers and started with 'pulseaudio --start'.
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557[03:09:05] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and speaker-test -c 2 has
output?
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558[03:09:34] <coreutill> hello debian community! I am new to
debian, so have a few very basic questions. can I install firefox
instead of firefox ESR?
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560[03:10:08] <Shadow_7> coreutill: iceweasel is available and
is basically unbranded firefox
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561[03:10:13] <tofutoon> Shadow: No. It doesn't
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562[03:10:29] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I removed my headset.
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563[03:10:42] <missmbob> coreutill:
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564[03:10:46] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and pavucontrol shows
default, unmuted, and all the level-ee stuff?
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565[03:10:50] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Just wanted to remove another
variable and just use the laptop speakers.
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566[03:11:05] <bibble> coreutill: also can just dl the latest
tar.gz from website
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567[03:11:20] <coreutill> Shadow_7, missmbob, thank you!
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568[03:11:40] <coreutill> and icedove is unbranded thunderbird,
as it seems? their use is identical?
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569[03:11:45] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: now that you have it
enabled... pulseaudio --kill... and speaker-test -c 2 -D hw:0
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570[03:11:48] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Built-in Audio defaults to
Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output. The HDMI monitor does not have audio.
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571[03:12:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: speaker-test -c 2 -D hw:0,0
(should go to speakers)
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573[03:13:14] <tofutoon> No sound output.
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574[03:13:45] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: All I have are system sounds.
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575[03:13:51] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: alsamixer -c 0 ...shows not
muted?
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577[03:14:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: like beep? or other fancy
system sounds?
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579[03:15:16] <coreutill> Shadow_7, typing iceweasel shows
firefox ESR.. as bibble informs, I can perhaps dl both firefox and
thunderbird from their sites
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581[03:15:31] <coreutill> bibble, thank you!
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582[03:15:39] <Shadow_7> coreutill: iceweasel and icedove are
basically the same thing
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583[03:15:42] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It works now. I noticed that
it was muting the speaker and directing to headphones. I plugged in
the headphones.
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584[03:15:47] <tofutoon> Then, it worked.
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589[03:16:41] <coreutill> Shadow_7, but the former is the
browser and the latter the mail client?!
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590[03:17:00] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: It works after starting
pulseaudio too.
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595[03:18:40] <coreutil> sorry, I needed to reconnect
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596[03:18:56] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: The speaker diagnostic works,
but I'm not getting sound in applications.
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600[03:20:46] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Built-in Audio is now set to
Digital Stereo(HDMI) Output. Only then does the speaker-test -c 2 -D
hw:0,0 work. However, application sound still doesn't function.
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601[03:20:56] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: try a .asoundrc of ...
ctl.pulse { type pulse fallback sysdefault } \n pcm.pulse { type
pulse fallback sysdefault } \n and the same for ctl.!default and
pcm.!default
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606[03:23:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: basically from the pulseaudio
over jackd wiki. It basically allows sharing and app defaults to
choose pulse audio.
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612[03:27:40] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That worked beautifully.
Youtube now works.
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613[03:27:55] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Do you have a suggestion on
getting the microphone to work?
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615[03:28:06] <coreutil> can I just remove firefox ESR and
install firefox without 'consequences'?
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618[03:30:28] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pavucontrol should have a
recording tab. Might need to be recording to access it
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619[03:31:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise you need to select
the desired device on a per application basis.
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622[03:32:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: and certain things (like
skype) only record from channel 1 (aka left channel). the only way
around that is to record all channels until you include the one you
actually want.
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626[03:35:03] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: for really old things
there's alsa oss emulation, and aoss sound wrapper. Also for
things like java there's a sound.properties thing that defaults
to pulseaudio (4 lines), that can be changed.
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630[03:36:47] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I see. Skype is in the
pavucontrol application capture list. However, the microphone does
not seem to be recording. I also tried 'arecord -d 5
test-mic.wav'
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631[03:37:05] <tofutoon> Neither of these applications capture
from the device, but the device is listed.
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632[03:37:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the mic being a different
device has different mixer settings
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633[03:37:24] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: alsamixer -c 1
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634[03:38:01] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: tab on alsamixer to get to
the capture (or all) settings
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636[03:39:01] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but those settings should
also be available in pavucontrol, baring device disabled, or other
quirks
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637[03:39:06] <tofutoon> Shadow_7:
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643[03:42:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I would turn off agc
myself... and mic at about 70%
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660[03:48:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tried settting the Mic at
72 and the Auto Gain Control at MM.
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661[03:49:04] <tofutoon> That still didn't allow the mic to
work.
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662[03:49:27] <tofutoon> Is there a way to test if the problem
here is Alsa or Pulse audio?
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665[03:52:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: audacity and select the input
in preferences
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666[03:52:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise arecord has a
monitor mode that shows levels
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669[03:53:20] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: audacity is probably better
because you can adjust gain to see if there is a very soft signal
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670[03:53:59] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: could be a button on the mic
depending on what mic. pc power or phantom or whatever some mics
need.
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676[03:57:50] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: seems like a standard mic,
should just need to select the input.
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678[03:58:23] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I'm not seeing any
signal in audacity.
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679[03:58:34] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I tested the on/off switch of
the mic.
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683[03:59:30] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: did you effect -> amplify
?
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688[04:01:03] <tofutoon> I tried amplify. All I hear is white
noise.
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689[04:01:08] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: arecord -V stereo -D hw:1
test.wav
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691[04:01:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: with ^C to kill it. Should
have a meter that moves if it has signal
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replaced-url
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696[04:03:43] <tofutoon> There's no moving meter.
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700[04:04:10] <coreutil> why does debian have firefox esr and
not the common firefox?
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701[04:04:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: arecord -D hw:1 -c 1 -r 48000
-V mono test.wav
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704[04:05:29] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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705[04:06:52] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: add -f S16_LE
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706[04:06:58] <Shadow_7> although not sure why that's not
the default.
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714[04:08:43] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That now records.
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715[04:08:54] <tofutoon> However, it is stuck at 0%.
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716[04:09:04] <tofutoon> Indicating there is no signal. Right?
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717[04:09:27] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise the /dev/snd/pcm1c
type things are the "c"apture device. Or indicating that
the level is too low to register
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718[04:09:39] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: might also try -r 44100
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720[04:10:32] <tofutoon> It's still stuck at 0% indicating
no signal.
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724[04:12:02] <tofutoon> Actually, we have both a -r 48000 and a
-r 44100
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729[04:12:32] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ofc... 48000 is normally
video bitrate and 44100 is cd bitrate
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733[04:12:51] <tofutoon> I see. Do we need both?
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734[04:13:21] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: yes and no... Less cpu usage
for 44100 for synth stuff since sound samples tend to be ripped from
CDs.
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735[04:13:34] <tofutoon> I see
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737[04:14:20] <Shadow_7> early version of pulseaudio were locked
at 48000 and otherwise went full skynet on your if you didn't
use that rate.
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738[04:14:24] <tofutoon> Also, pulse audio's volume control
shows no input devices.
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740[04:14:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: is the most right tab having
it disabled?
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743[04:15:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: might need to unplug and
replug it hotswap style to bring it to life
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744[04:15:22] <tofutoon> The Profile says Off.
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745[04:15:36] <Shadow_7> turn it on then... :)
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746[04:16:18] <Shadow_7> (and prepare to lose your high end
frequencies from feedback)
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747[04:16:31] <tofutoon> It is on (I believe).
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748[04:16:57] <tofutoon> There is a light on the audio card, and
the microphone itself has a button that I turned on.
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757[04:18:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: cat /proc/asound/pcm
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759[04:19:37] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it might be special like
hw:1,2 and needs to be explicitly named
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760[04:19:54] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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761[04:19:57] <Shadow_7> typically hw:1,0 is playback
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764[04:21:16] <tofutoon> Is it not on my machine?
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767[04:22:06] <tofutoon> The cat /proc/asound/pcm command
doesn't change depending on whether the mic is on/off.
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768[04:22:15] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it shows hw:1,0 as your input
/ capture
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770[04:22:29] <Shadow_7> aka 01-00
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772[04:22:50] <tofutoon> I see. And, it shows 00-03 as the
playback.
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773[04:23:04] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's likely the HDMI
audio out
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775[04:23:19] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: egrep -r -i hdmi
/proc/asound/*
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776[04:23:27] <Shadow_7> don't need to see that output
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777[04:23:48] <Shadow_7> the .../card0/pcm3p... == hw:0,3
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778[04:24:05] <Shadow_7> where the ending p is playback
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781[04:24:51] <tofutoon> Yes 00-03 is the HDMI
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782[04:24:57] <tofutoon> playback
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785[04:26:00] <tofutoon> Also, egrep -r -i hdmi /proc/asound/*
does not show the capture device.
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787[04:26:12] <tofutoon> Oh... but it isn't hdmi
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789[04:27:17] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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790[04:27:33] <tofutoon> That's the output of egrep -r -i
capture /proc/asound/*
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795[04:28:57] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's an odd one...
name="Mic Capture Switch" ...perhaps there's a push
to speak button???
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796[04:30:12] <tofutoon> There's an on/off on the mic.
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797[04:30:21] <tofutoon> Let me change the position and rerun.
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798[04:30:51] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: probably need to amixer that
and check. $ amixer -c 1 | less
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799[04:31:27] <tofutoon> The on/off doesn't change
anything.
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804[04:34:11] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: Mono: Capture 78 [100%]
[20.00dB] [off]
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808[04:35:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: note the [off]...
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810[04:35:37] <tofutoon> No matter what position the on/off
switch is in, the mic does not work.
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811[04:35:47] <tofutoon> Should I test the mic on another
computer?
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812[04:35:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: software setting... aka
muted?
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813[04:36:17] <tofutoon> Where?
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817[04:37:28] <tofutoon>
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818[04:37:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: amixer -c 1 sset Capture 78
unmute
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819[04:38:16] <Shadow_7> not so sure about that command, but meh
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820[04:38:44] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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821[04:38:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: maybe one of the other mixer
apps can dumb it down. gmix, kmix, ... ... ...
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822[04:39:27] <tofutoon> After our pulseaudio configuration,
none of the mixers show any output.
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824[04:39:30] <Shadow_7> in theory pavucontrol handles it
though. fiddle???
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826[04:40:33] <tofutoon> The Profile says Off for the AK5370 I/F
A/D Converter.
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827[04:40:36] <Shadow_7> it all appears to be there and works
(driver wise). Just need it on and leveled to a usable state
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833[04:43:31] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: With the manual pulseaudio
config, all the KDE configuration tools stopped working.
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834[04:43:58] <tofutoon> Audio and Video Settings - System
Settings simply says 'PulseAudio Sound Server'.
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835[04:44:43] <tofutoon> Also, the .config/pulseaudio folder is
not being regenerated.
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836[04:44:53] <tofutoon> ~/.config/pulseaudio folder
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837[04:45:08] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: a reboot will likely get it
back to a usable state. or restart X (control + alt + backspace),
which isn't always enabled these days
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841[04:45:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ~/.config/pulse/ is the
folder
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842[04:45:42] <tofutoon> I keep forgetting to type the ~.
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844[04:45:59] <tofutoon> But right, that folder has not been
regenerated even after a reboot.
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845[04:46:22] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it generates when pulse
starts / uses the soundcard.
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846[04:46:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: unless your ~/ perms are
hosed
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848[04:47:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: sudo chown youruser:youruser
/home/youruser
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849[04:47:17] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: sudo chown youruser:youruser
/home/youruser/* ...and up up up
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854[04:48:11] <tofutoon> .config has permissions 700.
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855[04:48:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: should need more than 3
/*/*/* deep imo
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857[04:48:57] <tofutoon> sudo chown -R myuser:myuser
/home/myuser
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858[04:49:00] <tofutoon> would do it.
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859[04:49:05] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it's more about the
"OWNER" and "GROUP"
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861[04:49:16] <tofutoon> But
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862[04:49:37] <tofutoon> We saw that pulseaudio was started as
Debian+ user, and the .config has permissions 700.
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864[04:49:43] <tofutoon> Isn't that a problem?
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866[04:50:33] <tofutoon> But, I guess when we started pulseaudio
manually, it started as myuser.
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867[04:50:44] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: depends on how things are
configured. I normally start with a min install. And never use KDE
or Gnome
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868[04:50:59] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: as it should... be as
"your" user.
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869[04:51:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulse doesn't share
users without a network config. aka per user
.config/pulse/client.conf that has default server = IP ADDRESS
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871[04:52:03] <tofutoon> Do you see why ~/.config/pulse is not
being created?
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872[04:53:36] <tofutoon> That seems to be a problem.
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873[04:54:25] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: unplug and replug the mic and
check the tail end of dmesg. $ dmesg | tail -n 20
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875[04:55:21] <tofutoon>
replaced-url
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876[04:55:49] <tofutoon> authkey.c keeps complaining that
~/.config/pulse/cookie does not exist.
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881[04:58:53] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that kind of hints that root
created the /.pulse/ stuff again.
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882[04:59:20] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: otherwise pulse should create
the .config/pulse/ and friends
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883[04:59:34] <tofutoon> I see
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884[04:59:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: aka file:///.pulse aka root
filesystem
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885[04:59:50] <tofutoon> pulseaudio is located in /usr/bin.
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886[05:00:05] <tofutoon> It belongs to root and the root group
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887[05:00:06] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ls -al /
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888[05:00:23] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's the
"config" files for pulse
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889[05:00:35] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the /usr/bin/ one is the
application...
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890[05:00:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: don't mess with that one
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892[05:01:10] <tofutoon> There is no .config in /
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893[05:01:54] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: when you try to start pulse
as root it creates /.pulse/
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894[05:02:11] <tofutoon> I'm starting pulse as my user.
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895[05:02:12] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: not even .config in this case
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896[05:02:31] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but previously you fiddled.
left over junk could be in the way
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897[05:02:36] <tofutoon> There is no .pulse in / either.
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898[05:02:47] <rangergord> what is the Debian policy on
packaging a tool that is FOSS, but intentionally has limited
features, to promote a paid non-FOSS full version that would be a
separate download from a 3rd party website? Would Debian be OK with
menu entries that are grayed out with a "Only available in Pro
version" tooltip?
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899[05:03:02] <rangergord> I couldn't see anything about
this in the package policy document on the website
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900[05:03:02] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: good... how about the perms
on /run/.../1000/... aka the users IUD
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901[05:03:06] <Shadow_7> UID*
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902[05:04:22] <tofutoon> /run/user/1000/pulse belongs to my
user.
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903[05:04:29] <tofutoon> So do all the files inside.
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904[05:04:48] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: it looks like many have your
issue for that mic. With the only fixes being OSS and "old
ways". Back in the /dev/dsp dinosaur days
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905[05:04:53] <tofutoon> However, the only files inside are a 0
byte native file and a pid file.
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906[05:05:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mostly worried about
owner:group on those. But not your issue it seems
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910[05:11:47] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: seems 44100 might be
preferred. arecord -D hw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c 1 -r 44100 -V mono
test.wav
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917[05:14:32] <tofutoon> So, should I install oss?
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918[05:15:07] <tofutoon> Or perhaps, buy a new USB sound card.
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919[05:15:16] <tofutoon> Fortunately, the sound card is
external.
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920[05:16:18] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that mic is it's own
soundcard. I use a battery box and a $10 mic on my system. giant
squid audio labs. Although the battery box was $80-ish, but needed
since my soundcard doesn't have plugin power.
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921[05:17:05] <tofutoon> My mic and soundcard are separate.
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922[05:17:06] <Shadow_7> I also have various mic preamps and
pro-ish mics, but the $10 mic lasts days and is good enough.
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923[05:17:43] <tofutoon> Actually, I could remove that soundcard
entirely and plug the microphone into my laptop.
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925[05:18:16] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the only hit I found relavent
to you says to use kmix to select the mic for input. Otherwise there
was a capture.pcm in a .asoundrc entry. Not idea if using
pulseaudio.
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927[05:19:49] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: mhwaveedit seems to be a
linux native recording app that supports pulseaudio. Although the
apt-cache info says gtk2 based.
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930[05:20:58] <tofutoon> Ideally, I'm looking for someway
to reset everything to a default state (and perhaps replace my
mic's soundcard) or plug the mic in directly.
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932[05:21:08] <mrtrump> noop!
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933[05:21:13] <mrtrump> anyone here using noop!?
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934[05:21:15] <mrtrump> :)
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935[05:21:21] <mrtrump> gods I love unix
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936[05:21:54] <mrtrump> theres no free lunch
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937[05:21:56] <mrtrump> lol
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938[05:22:02] <mrtrump> I love free software
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939[05:22:07] <mrtrump> I feel I benefit from it
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940[05:22:15] <mrtrump> maybe I should donate
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941[05:22:17] <mrtrump> more
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942[05:22:34] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: with a 2nd machine you could
line out to line in of the other soundcard. Not idea, but probably
simpler.
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943[05:22:44] <mrtrump> I love running my home rig with icewm
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944[05:23:15] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: assuming the device works any
better on the "other" machine. pi's are good for
that, if you don't use gui's or resource hog environments.
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945[05:23:24] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: any idea how to resolve
.config/pulse/cookie not found issue?
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946[05:24:22] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: pulse should create it. maybe
kde doesn't use pulse? Otherwise find all the pulse/cookie
files and delete them (or do a fresh install).
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947[05:24:43] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: ideally with pulseaudio
"stopped" $ pulseaudio --kill
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951[05:26:27] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: you could copy the cookie
from other place, but it probably is unique and that wouldn't
work. before .config/pulse, pulseaudio used .pulse/... and there was
a period of conflict for a while where both existed and didn't
play well
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952[05:26:55] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: but that shouldn't be an
issue unless your install is old and you've been upgrading from
wheezy to jessie and maybe earlier flavors
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962[05:29:12] <tofutoon> There was a ~/.pulse directory. I
deleted it. Let me retry.
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965[05:29:41] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: the .config/pulse is what the
"new" versions use
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969[05:31:49] <tofutoon> After removing ~/.pulse and
~/.config/pulse and restarting pulse, pulse auto-generated
~/.config/pulse.
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971[05:32:01] <tofutoon> However, no cookie file was created.
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972[05:32:03] <Shadow_7> as it should be
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973[05:32:30] <tofutoon> no cookie file should exist?
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974[05:32:34] <Shadow_7> you have to "use" the
soundcard probably. and maybe stop/restart pulse
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987[05:38:16] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: Super cool. I just got a
Skype test call to work with both audio and microphone.
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988[05:38:55] <Shadow_7> excellent
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990[05:39:13] <tofutoon> One trick (amongst the many things we
did together) was to remove the USB sound card and plug the
microphone in directly.
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991[05:39:34] <tofutoon> Then, I was able to configure things in
pavucontrol.
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992[05:39:51] <tofutoon> That sound card really interfered with
things.
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993[05:40:07] <tofutoon> Also, I had a ~/.pulse folder that was
creating problems.
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994[05:40:21] <Shadow_7> pulse is a bit of a pile, it
doesn't like complexity
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996[05:40:47] <tofutoon> When it doesn't work out of the
box, it's a horrible user experience.
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998[05:40:51] <Shadow_7> most pulse solutions is to disable
everything you are NOT using
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999[05:41:19] <Shadow_7> out of the box on a min install
doesn't have pulse installed :)
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1000[05:41:21] <tofutoon> In most cases, Debian engineering is
far superior to Ubuntu.
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1001[05:41:30] <tofutoon> But, some things... Ubuntu gets right.
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1003[05:41:53] <tofutoon> I don't know what they did with
pulse, but it worked out of the box for me.
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1004[05:42:03] <Shadow_7> ubuntu does do a good job with pulse
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1006[05:42:20] <Shadow_7> although fedora was probably my best
out of the box experience from an installeer
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1007[05:43:04] <tofutoon> It seems Debian could benefit from
brining some of those configurations in from Ubuntu.
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1008[05:43:28] <tofutoon> Fedora is like Debian. There's a
lot of little things that don't work.
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1009[05:43:34] <tofutoon> err...
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1010[05:43:36] <tofutoon> I meant
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1011[05:43:52] <tofutoon> Fedora is like Ubuntu. There's a
lot of little things that don't work.
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1012[05:44:08] <tofutoon> That's what I appreciate about
Debian.
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1013[05:44:18] <tofutoon> For the most part, all the little
nuances work out of the box.
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1014[05:44:33] <tofutoon> This pulse thing... kinda sucked.
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1015[05:45:00] <tofutoon> I have yet to reboot and see if things
will work.
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1017[05:45:45] <Shadow_7> I always find annoyances in other
distros that drive me back to debian
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1018[05:46:23] <Shadow_7> And I can do a debian install in about
15 minutes on a fast connection with fast storage
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1025[05:49:30] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I want to thank you for all
your help.
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1032[05:52:27] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: I never would have diagnosed
those issues without your guidance.
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1033[05:52:59] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: So, I definitely appreciate
your help.
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1034[05:53:19] <Shadow_7> no problem. audio is about the only
thing I do well these days
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1035[05:54:04] <tofutoon> But, you do it really well. You knew a
lot of the ins and outs. It's also incredibly difficult to help
someone when you're not at the computer.
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1037[05:54:29] <tofutoon> It takes another level of mastery to do
that.
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1038[05:54:30] <Shadow_7> But I am at the computer. My computer
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1039[05:54:47] <Shadow_7> running debian with pulse over jackd
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1041[05:54:53] <tofutoon> I meant... It's easier to fix a
problem at your own computer than to fix it remotely.
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1045[05:55:47] <Shadow_7> well in your case, a faster fix might
have been a fresh install. microsoft 101
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1047[05:56:02] <tofutoon> A fresh install of what?
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1048[05:56:05] <tofutoon> pulseaudio?
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1049[05:56:21] <Shadow_7> the whole distro... to erase your
previous fiddling
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1050[05:56:36] <Shadow_7> And any upgrade paths
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1053[05:57:38] <CrazyTux> hello, what advantage does Debian have
over Fedora or Fedora based distros?
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1054[05:57:56] <tofutoon> Well... here's what I did. I did a
fresh install of Debian. Then, I took the home/myuser folder of my
previous Ubuntu install and copied it over. However, I replaced the
.config dir with the one from the Debian install.
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1055[05:58:03] <Shadow_7> Most of my installs are minimal so a
reinstall with fresh all is often less than an hour. And 10GB less
cruft on my install
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1056[05:58:03] <tofutoon> Mainly, I wanted my old data.
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1058[05:58:24] <tofutoon> But, what about your data?
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1060[05:59:01] <tofutoon> And, I did this Fresh install about a
week ago.
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1061[05:59:13] <tofutoon> Took me almost a whole day to set
everything up.
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1062[05:59:23] <tofutoon> The last remaining issue was sound.
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1063[05:59:23] <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: xinput allows the changing of
enable 3 button mouse emulation. service --status-all works in
debian. And a couple other annoyances I had with fedora 23
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1066[06:00:11] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: I do my fresh install to
fresh usb sticks. The old sticks still exist
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1067[06:00:30] <Shadow_7> They're less than $10-ish now and
32GB-ish and fast-ish now too
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1069[06:00:44] <Shadow_7> well, almost less than $10
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1071[06:00:59] <tofutoon> Interesting. I use a lot of space
though.
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1072[06:01:13] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: that's what external
drives are for and mount
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1073[06:01:15] <tofutoon> My home dir was almost 130 gb.
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1074[06:01:35] <tofutoon> Yah, I should move away from one /
partition.
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1075[06:01:56] <tofutoon> I should do a a separate /home
partition.
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1077[06:02:06] <CrazyTux> Do Debian live CDs work now?
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1078[06:02:07] <Shadow_7> The main girth of my installs these
days is the cache of a game. 11GB now. My installs are typically 6GB
once bloated up
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1079[06:02:33] <tofutoon> I see
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1080[06:02:48] <tofutoon> Let me try rebooting.
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1081[06:02:59] <tofutoon> and see if pulseaudio works as it
should.
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1082[06:03:03] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: also, I'll create a new
user and move the old user /home to an external drive if I want to
keep going on an old install.
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1085[06:03:25] <tofutoon> Makes sense
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1087[06:03:42] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: although with todays fast
past exploit lists, I feel safer going fresh at least every 3 months
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1088[06:03:53] <Shadow_7> pace*
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1089[06:04:26] <tofutoon> That makes sense.
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1090[06:04:50] <tofutoon> Do you work in the security space?
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1093[06:05:31] <tofutoon> Seldom have I encountered exploits...
but some people I know got hit with ransomware.
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1096[06:09:10] <tofutoon> I guess the Debian Security team is
pushing patches for security exploits all the time.
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1097[06:09:20] <tofutoon> Need to reboot. I'll be back.
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1111[06:20:58] <Shadow_7> tofutoon: made it back I see. No,
don't work in the security space. Just noticed a few oddities
in my own systems despite being linux over the years. Like once I
half installed the fglrx drivers and I was bleading out packets on
port 53 (dns) at about 1/3rd dial-up speed.
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1113[06:22:12] <Shadow_7> I traced it back to atieventfd for
sending the packets. And some extra entry that showed up in xauth. A
very odd extra entry. Speedometer helped me realize what was going
on so I could start killing things until it stopped. atievenfd won
that contest.
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1116[06:23:43] <Shadow_7> I just start getting a little paranoid
when I start seeing packets that resolve back to akamai
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1122[06:24:59] <Shadow_7> especially when you're behind a
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IRC channer for Debian-powerpc64?
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1157[06:31:40] <themill> vita_cell: there are #debianppc on
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1159[06:31:56] <vita_cell> thanks themill
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1282[07:00:03] <tofutoon> Shadow_7: That's interesting.
Sadly, I don't pay enough attention to observe things on that
level.
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1283[07:00:23] <tofutoon> Tracing things through network layers
would be pretty time consuming.
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1285[07:00:33] <tofutoon> at least at my level of skill
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1288[07:01:25] <mrtrump> the logic of levels
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1289[07:01:29] <mrtrump> its powerful
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1345[07:40:55] <shalok> In `sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`,
what's the difference between 'UTC' and
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1346[07:41:34] <shalok> Both in the 'None of the above'
geographic area.
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1366[08:02:19] <eugo> what software can i ues to monitor firewall
logs, like failed ssh attempts and such?
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1377[08:13:07] <han-solo> tail ?
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1378[08:13:20] <han-solo> :}
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1379[08:14:00] <jelly> maybe with -f !
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1383[08:15:13] <eugo> was thinking alternatives to nagios
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1390[08:17:18] <han-solo> jelly: i had a feeling, he
wouldn't want tail :}
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1394[08:18:18] <tofutoon> This pulseaudio bug, which was reported
for Ubuntu, is also a problem in the latest Debian release. Anyone
know if a fix is available for Debian stable?
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1397[08:19:45] <koracain> i'm on jessie and want a single
package out of sid(grsec meta) what's the proper way to do this
so apt doesn't try updating everything to unstable?
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1400[08:20:23] <koracain> right now i've just got the
unstable appended to /etc/apt/sources.list
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1407[08:24:17] <n4dir> The proper way is to not do it
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1410[08:24:49] <missmbob> !frankendebian
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1411[08:24:49] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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1412[08:25:37] <koracain> s/jessie/testing
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1413[08:26:12] <koracain> i've done this before, it works
fine i just don't remember how because i so rarely use debian
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1415[08:26:18] <n4dir> Oh. Testin? You will want to set testing
to default, in /etc/apt/preferences or apt.conf, i forgot
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1416[08:26:36] <n4dir> The bot has an entry about it, but i
forgot the name of it
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1417[08:26:54] <missmbob> if you're going to use sid you
should go to #debian-next on oftc
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1418[08:27:19] <koracain> i'm using the grsec kernel
that's only in sid's repos
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1419[08:27:26] <n4dir> there you go:
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1420[08:27:26] <koracain> nothing else
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1421[08:27:27] <n4dir> !tum
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1422[08:27:28] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
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1425[08:29:19] <koracain> there we go
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1445[08:46:46] <jelly> koracain: mixing stable with anything
newer can result in a mess -- default release won't help you if
a package pulls in extra dependencies. linux-image- may be a rare
exception, or not. Don't expect to be able to install matching
linux-headers.
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1450[08:48:49] <koracain> mixing testing with sid, it'll be
ok jelly
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1451[08:49:32] <jelly> ah, missed that
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1452[08:50:07] <koracain> ya only problem i expect is with my vps
being very tiny and crashing in the update XD
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1456[08:51:25] <n4dir> i don't think that apt-get operations
use that much ressources. In case that is what we speak about ... so
tired ...
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1461[08:52:25] <n4dir> doesn't it only unpack the deb file
and put it all in place ?
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1462[08:53:00] <koracain> 5gb disk 256mb ram it'll probably
be fine
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1538[09:59:11] <sawk> hello everyone, i'm using debian
jessie + MATE, but the bluetooth doesn't work really well with
blueman. Is there a way to install other bluetooth applications or a
newer version of blueman?
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1548[10:05:27] <xfred_> hey there.
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1549[10:05:58] <xfred_> is there a way to apt-get ftpd without
pulling (x)inetd ?
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1562[10:17:43] <themill> xfred_: (a) anything but ftp... it is
2001 after all. (b) the description of ftpd is quite relevant
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1795[12:52:34] <dutchfish> ah he is on
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1797[12:53:08] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, about yesterday, i have
another find
replaced-url
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1798[12:53:46] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i ended up having to reboot
the machine anyways
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1799[12:54:08] <JyZyXEL> for some reason my main storage array
became (unreachable) afterwards
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1800[12:54:09] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, sure but look at that patch,
just fyi
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1801[12:54:32] <JyZyXEL> so something went badly wrong in the
system
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1802[12:54:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, yes, probably
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1803[12:55:01] <JyZyXEL> they are probably talking about ext4
encryption
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1804[12:55:02] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, its all the journalling
confusion, i recall
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1806[12:55:44] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, anyway, i wanted you to know.
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1809[12:57:22] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, probably luks should have
such a mechanism as well
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1811[12:57:46] <JyZyXEL> i don't think ext4 encryption has
anything to do with luks
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1812[12:58:26] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, no, right. But the
journalling has.
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1814[12:59:39] <JyZyXEL> only in respect to ext4 encryption,
which luks is not
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1815[12:59:48] <dutchfish> right
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1817[13:00:32] <JyZyXEL> i wouldn't even consider using it,
knowing it still has infancy bugs
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1820[13:02:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, that was not my point. My
point is that ext4 is unaware not to use journalling in regards to
luks.
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1823[13:03:33] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and only if journalling is
being used instead of ordered data.
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1824[13:03:51] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fyi
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1825[13:04:27] <JyZyXEL> oh, so ext4 journaling is incompatible
with luks backed devices
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1826[13:04:39] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, bingo.
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1828[13:05:02] <JyZyXEL> it doesn't really say that in the
bug though?
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1830[13:05:20] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, nope, but you can easely find
out, if so.
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1831[13:05:37] <JyZyXEL> wouldn't cryptsetup manual say
about that?
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1833[13:05:46] <JyZyXEL> or some manual at least
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1834[13:05:51] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i just only wanted you to
know this. Its up to you to take it any further. Good luck.
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1837[13:06:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i discovered this by
accident, debugging some other stuff.
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1838[13:07:07] <JyZyXEL> my storage was mounted data=ordered and
the backup was mounted data=writeback
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1839[13:07:19] <JyZyXEL> no idea what that means in terms of
journaling
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1841[13:08:17] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it should handle ordered mode
fine, but i dont know about the witeback for luks, delve into that.
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1843[13:08:45] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, but only after that patch.
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1844[13:09:21] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i hope, this helps a bit.
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1846[13:10:03] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, pickaxe that tree.
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1850[13:12:29] <JyZyXEL> ill only believe it if i find it
documented somewhere
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1852[13:13:08] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, dont believe me, find it out
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1853[13:13:12] <JyZyXEL> i've never heard of anyone
disabling ext4 journaling because of luks, NEVER
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1854[13:13:17] <Shadow_7> the code is the documentation?
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1855[13:13:23] <dutchfish> right
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replaced-url
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1862[13:17:06] <JyZyXEL> "In short, ext4, xfs, btrfs and
similar filesystems supports all features over dmcrypt."
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1863[13:17:57] <Shadow_7> depeche mode had a crypt album?
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1883[13:33:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, you made me curieus, so i
will make a test setup to figure this one out with luks. What
version of luks? the one from Debian/stable?
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1885[13:34:09] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yes cryptsetup/stable
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1886[13:34:23] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fair enough.
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1890[13:35:53] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, on my todo list is already
luks/xfs ram bug, so i will take this one along. I had not many
usecases so far, so its a long standing thing.
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1892[13:36:31] <JyZyXEL> well, i've ran nothing but luks
encrypted ext4 systems since 2009
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1894[13:37:06] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, oh, i believe you right away.
I just wonder what happened.
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1895[13:37:19] <Shadow_7> I mostly do ext4 or xfs, no encryption.
But I just got my first ssd a month ago
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1896[13:37:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and this one
replaced-url
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1898[13:38:28] <Shadow_7> Although I don't like xfs when the
system hard crashes. Need another bootable install to fsck it.
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1899[13:39:02] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, xfs has now new extensions
in the latest kernel, hence my tests.
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1901[13:39:54] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, in some corner cases xfs is
king.
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1902[13:40:30] <FinalX> on systems we don't use zfs, we use
ext for boot / root, and xfs for a data partition
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1903[13:40:50] <Shadow_7> It seems faster. But not having a clean
recovery keeps it off / for me. And don't really like needing
xfs_admin to set a custom UUID versus -U on mkfs
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1904[13:40:57] <FinalX> (the latter on top of lvm, which is great
.. it supports xfs out of the box so you can easily grow/resize xfs
partitions, too)
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1905[13:41:06] <dutchfish> xfs is excelent when it comes to
streaming large backup images
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1910[13:41:45] <dutchfish> yes, on top of lvm
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1916[13:45:13] <dutchfish> and it has been improved lately.
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1919[13:49:31] <Shadow_7> And we'll see those improvements
in debian 9 ?
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1921[13:50:25] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, most of it, probably, yes
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1925[13:52:57] <dutchfish> Shadow_7, but that part is up to the
maintainers.
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1927[13:53:30] <stoned> Hello morning time
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1928[13:53:49] <stoned> I use screen on my local machine, but
then I login to an ssh server, and I use screen in there too.
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1929[13:54:01] <stoned> I'm having trouble managing two
screens, one inside another. (gnu screen)
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1930[13:54:11] <stoned> Does anyone ever do this? Have any tips?
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1931[13:54:40] <stoned> if I try to switch windows inside my
remote debian server, it will switch them on my local machine.
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1932[13:55:21] <dutchfish> stoned, i send the screens to the
background and take them over with another session, maybe i dont
understand your question.
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1934[13:56:43] <unborn> stoned: you should always done your
screens to backgound then come back from whatever os and bring out
session back to your terminal..
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1935[13:56:50] <stoned> My local debian desktop, i run gnu
screen, and use a few shell windows. In window 0, I ssh to my remote
debian server. Then inside this remote server, I run gnu screen. Now
when I try to switch windows in this terminal, it won't switch
windows on the remote machine, but on my local machine.
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1937[13:56:59] <stoned> The ctrl-a combination works in ohhhhh
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1938[13:57:26] <stoned> The ctrl-a combination works in local
machien takes over, and the one in remote doesn't respond
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1940[13:58:11] <stoned> If I start a separate local terminal *not
in screen* and then ssh to it and use screen in remtoe, ti works.
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1942[13:58:24] <dutchfish> stoned, wasnt that crtl-a-d?
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1943[13:58:30] <stoned> but if I have local gnu screen running,
in addition to remote gnu screen running, it causes key combi
problem
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1945[13:58:46] <stoned> dutchfish: any ctrl+a combination only
works for local screen session, it never forwards th combo to the
remote server
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1946[13:58:50] <stoned> b/c locally it's screen running
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1948[13:59:20] <stoned> try yit, make a screen terminal, then in
that terminal, ssh to a remote machine, then start gnu screen in
there, and try to make more windows and nagivate
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1949[13:59:23] <stoned> you'll see what i mean
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1950[13:59:40] <themill> ^a ^a
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1951[13:59:46] <stoned> oh
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1953[13:59:50] <stoned> really?
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1954[13:59:53] <stoned> double ctrl a?
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1955[13:59:57] <stoned> hunh.
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1956[14:00:07] <dutchfish> stoned, i am doing that at this
moment, no problem. As long as your locales are setup the same.
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1958[14:00:22] <stoned> hm. ok let me find out
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1959[14:00:30] <stoned> if it works for you then i must be doing
something not right
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1960[14:00:54] <dutchfish> stoned, that is if i got your question
right ...
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1963[14:01:47] <dutchfish> stoned, screen->make
windows->send to the background->screen -R into on another
remote->/windows balance.
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1964[14:02:08] <dutchfish> *-s
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1966[14:03:17] <dutchfish> stoned, of couse, only for the
screened locals.
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1968[14:04:35] <dutchfish> stoned, you can only take over the
screens on that particular machine running in the background.
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1977[14:07:37] <cloudidair> whats the best news reader for
debian?
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1978[14:07:43] <coreutil> hello debian people, I'd like to
install firefox on debian, but running './configure' gives
'bash: ./configure: No such file or directory'
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1979[14:08:35] <themill> coreutil: it's already packaged...\
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1982[14:08:57] <cloudidair> it is?
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1983[14:09:09] <BluesKaj> coreutil, which debian? Firefox-ESR is
available for jessie and stretch
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1985[14:09:25] <cloudidair> isnt it seamonkey?
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1986[14:09:26] <Shadow_7> cloudidair: usenet? pan is what I used
long ago. But never liked that it stored credentials in plain text
in the ~/
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1989[14:09:49] <cloudidair> yes pan thats it
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1990[14:09:50] <coreutil> BluesKaj, I need usual firefox
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1991[14:09:59] <coreutil> themill^
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1992[14:10:08] <cloudidair> +1 for Shadow_7
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1993[14:10:16] <coreutil> I mean the non-ESR one
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1994[14:10:30] <themill> dpkg: tell coreutil about
mozilla.debian.net
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1996[14:11:04] <cloudidair> is chromium available too?
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1997[14:11:06] <themill> (so highly unlikely that you
'need' it... but it is certainly available)
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1998[14:11:11] <BluesKaj> coreutil, what's the advantage of
the regular over esr?
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1999[14:11:28] <coreutil> themill, thank you :)
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2000[14:12:06] <BluesKaj> I'm running google-chrome on
stretch and it's working very well
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2001[14:12:14] <cloudidair> im going to develop a script for
mirck that lets you rate nick names
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2002[14:12:48] <coreutil> BluesKaj, mozilla page defines ESR as
being likely not to contain most recent updates, additions that
usual version gets. in my particular case, I couldnt find some of
the add-ons I needed
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2004[14:14:20] <themill> esr doesn't break things every 4
weeks, yes. I has the same addons available
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2005[14:14:42] <BluesKaj> coreutil, try google-chrome, but not
chromium, flashplayer doesn't work on chromium
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2006[14:14:53] <coreutil> themill, then we dont use the same
addons :)
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2007[14:15:11] <coreutil> and I didnt have anything broken in
firefox yet
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2008[14:15:39] <themill> keep going with the vague claims.
guaranteed to work best
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2009[14:15:55] <coreutil> ?!
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2014[14:19:37] <lnxmntadol> anyone using cinnamon on debian?
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2026[14:25:28] <SuperTramp83> lnxmntadol, ask your question
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2029[14:26:24] <ByteStorm> doesnt stretch hav gcc 5.something
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2030[14:26:32] <ByteStorm> i mean c++14 ?
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2032[14:26:51] <themill> gcc 6 is in stretc
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2039[14:30:37] <dokma> Can any Debian package detect the language
of text on an image? Tesseract apparently cannot.
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2040[14:31:34] <Shadow_7> dokma: is text the only thing on the
image? OCR ?
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2041[14:31:34] <coreutil> when I check the signatures of mozilla
maintainers, the key ID on the last line looks different
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2043[14:31:58] <themill> coreutil: what it says on their website
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2044[14:32:02] <hexnewbie> dokma: You could run tesseract in all
possible languages, then run language detection on the results
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2048[14:32:38] <coreutil> themill, the line on the website is
'sig! 54FD2A58 2010-11-20 Mike Hommey
<mh@glandium.org>' whereas the one I get is 'sig!
A6AA8C72 2010-11-20 Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org>'
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2051[14:33:49] <themill> coreutil: so you've installed the
pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package as instructed then?
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2052[14:34:07] <coreutil> themill, yes, I installed the deb
package
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2053[14:34:11] <hexnewbie> dokma: You could actually run
tesseract with all languages at the same time, produce one file,
then run language detection on that file (that would be less
correct)
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2054[14:34:19] <themill> coreutil: and what did apt-get update
output?
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2056[14:35:54] <dokma> hexnewbie: I already tried that and
it's not working. It produced some nonsense script on
traditional chinese
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2057[14:36:07] <coreutil> themill, it gave this:
replaced-url
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2059[14:36:26] <dokma> Shadow_7: it cannot be predicted.
It's a bunch of PDFs comming into a translation agency.
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2060[14:36:47] <themill> coreutil: so other than using 3rd party
repos that don't exist, what's wrong?
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2065[14:37:43] <hexnewbie> dokma: Which of the two did you try?
Did you try tesseract -l ara+aze+...+chi_tra+... in a single run? Or
a bash loop with the individual languages?
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2068[14:38:06] <Shadow_7> I ran OCR in debian on someone's
resume that got a PDF from an agency that wrote it for them. But the
pdf was an IMAGE, not a text document. It worked okay, aside from
the regular mistakes of 1 ! I l and other confusions.
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2071[14:38:25] <coreutil> themill, I mentioned it. the key ID is
different
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2073[14:38:53] <themill> coreutil: 'they key id'
meaning what?
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2077[14:39:15] <themill> I'm struggling to guess what you
actually mean from very little concrete information
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2078[14:40:25] <coreutil> themill, all information is posted
above. I posted what is shown on website, and on my terminal
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2080[14:40:56] <themill> what you have pastebinned just shows
that nothing is wrong with mozilla.debian.net
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2081[14:41:14] <coreutil> not the pastebin, the post before that
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2082[14:41:39] <themill> real output from real commands, please
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2083[14:42:17] <coreutil> this is what mozdeb site shows:
replaced-url
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2084[14:42:32] <coreutil> and this is what I get:
replaced-url
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2087[14:43:24] <themill> thanks, I now have a fighting chance of
helping you
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2099[14:47:24] <hexnewbie> dokma: I was thinking about something
along the lines of:
replaced-url
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2105[14:49:04] <themill> coreutil: looks a lot like two different
subkeys used. That apt is happy means that the signing key on the
repo is right
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2107[14:49:54] <coreutil> themill, where is it seen that it is
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2108[14:50:07] <themill> apt is very good at complaining if it is
not
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2111[14:50:32] <themill> Like all unix commands, the absence of
screaming is a mark of success
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2114[14:52:40] <coreutil> themill, ok.thank you
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2153[15:14:36] <dokma> hexnewbie: that's exactly what I did
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2154[15:14:51] <dokma> my thought was that perhaps the ordering
matters
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2155[15:14:58] <dokma> but that defeats the purpose
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2157[15:16:08] <dokma> hexnewbie: only I had them as -l xxx -l
xxx -l xxx
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2158[15:16:15] <dokma> instead of -l xxx xxx xxx
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2160[15:17:04] <dokma> hmmm... now I see from the man page that
they do have to be separated by a + sign
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2171[15:21:00] <dokma> hexnewbie: seems to be doing something
different now... it's about 20x slower
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2172[15:21:21] <dokma> probably because it's taking all
those scripts into account when scanning
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2178[15:23:07] <hexnewbie> dokma: Given that there are 49
languages, trying them one by one (as in the loop) might have been
of comparable performance. But it's possible that one of the
languages are much slower. Besides, you've now forced tesseract
to recognise all writing systems it knows.
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2182[15:26:25] <dokma> hexnewbie: unfortunately, being a
translation agency I have no choice. most languages are equally
likely to appear...
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2185[15:27:31] <dokma> hexnewbie: it did it correctly for
Croatian this time... let me test chinese as well
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2186[15:27:38] <dokma> but the speed is abominable
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2188[15:27:55] <dokma> especially since this was a 2 page PDF
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2190[15:28:27] <dokma> now chinese... 1 page jpg
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2199[15:32:54] <dokma> still working...
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2208[15:38:07] <dokma> yeah, unacceptable
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2210[15:38:29] <dokma> I'll try and drop some exotic scripts
to gain some speed...
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2215[15:42:06] <coreutil> is there a way to install nixnote2 on
debian? ppa method doesnt work
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2246[15:57:02] <coreutil> is there 'no' way to install
nixnote2 on debian?
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2249[15:57:35] <pila> hello, i have several public servers with a
static ip and 1 local server @ my home with no static ip. is there a
way that i can mount my public servers hdd's or a specific
folder on my local home server with some authentication for
security?
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2250[15:57:45] <pila> i want to transfer backups to my local home
server
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2254[15:58:09] <Brigo> coreutil, it is in stretch, so you can
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2257[15:58:46] <n4dir> pila: what about sshfs?
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2258[15:58:53] <Brigo> pila, yes, no problem with ips for that.
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2260[15:59:14] <missmbob> ,checkbackport nixnote2
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2261[15:59:15] <judd> Backporting package nixnote2 in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: qt5qevercloud-dev.
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2263[15:59:19] <missmbob> nope
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2264[15:59:28] <pila> mhh does sshfs work with authentication?
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2265[15:59:44] <UKn0Me> lol
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2266[15:59:46] <n4dir> yes, with the same authentication like ssh
does
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2268[15:59:55] <pila> oh lol, dumb questio
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2269[15:59:56] <pila> n
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2274[16:00:26] <Brigo> missmbob, he was asking just for a way :)
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2277[16:01:15] <pila> so with sshfs, i manually "mount"
all remote servers and then can access all data?
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2278[16:01:16] <n4dir> pila: if it is only about backups, you
might also go for rsync instead of sshfs.
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2280[16:01:30] <Brigo> anyway:
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2281[16:01:33] <Brigo> , checkbackport qt5qevercloud-dev
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2282[16:01:33] <pila> but i can only "pull" data, since
my home server has no public ip
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2283[16:01:34] <judd> Backporting package qt5qevercloud-dev in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, jessie-backports.
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2286[16:02:04] <Brigo> pila, that's what a backup does.
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2287[16:02:24] <coreutil> Brigo, is stretch already stable?
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2288[16:02:32] <pila> okay i will try sshfs and rsync and check
what is better for me
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2289[16:02:40] <missmbob> coreutil: it's frozen. it's
pretty stable
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2290[16:02:59] <coreutil> missmob, but the download site still
points to jessie?
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2292[16:03:12] <missmbob> coreutil: it's not released yet.
it will be soonish
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2293[16:03:13] <n4dir> yes, from local server do : sshfs
remote_server:directory /media/backup; or from local server do:
rsync -auv remote_server:/ /media/backup
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2294[16:03:22] <coreutil> missmob, so I can safely use it for
anythingß
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2295[16:03:23] <coreutil> ?
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2296[16:03:24] <n4dir> to give the idea, it is not the correct
syntax, i assume
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2297[16:03:33] <coreutil> missmbob^
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2298[16:03:38] <missmbob> coreutil: personal, definitely.
production, no
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2299[16:03:55] <pila> thank you n4dir
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2300[16:04:04] <n4dir> good luck, pila
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2301[16:04:15] <pila> thats exactly what i was looking for
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2302[16:05:03] <coreutil> missmbob, great, so I can just switch
to it via release upgrade?
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2303[16:05:14] <missmbob> !jessie-stretch
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2304[16:05:39] <n4dir> for ssh i would use: non-default port,
fail2ban, disable root account if possible (probably not in this
case), use keys for authentication and a config file in ~/.ssh (for
comfort with all the securtiy stuff). pilo
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2305[16:05:42] <missmbob> coreutil: yeah, change jessie to
stretch in sources.list then update then dist-upgrade
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2309[16:06:21] <missmbob> and wtf is every other factoid working
but jessie-stretch?? i've tried three times
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2310[16:06:42] <missmbob> oh damn. missed >
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2311[16:06:43] <missmbob> heh
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2313[16:06:58] <missmbob> !tell coreutil about jessie->stretch
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2314[16:07:04] <babilen> missmbob: It's the -> in there,
you have to actually include it *and* address dpkg directly
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2315[16:07:19] <babilen> dpkg: tell coreutil -about
jessie->stretch
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2316[16:07:37] <babilen> (IIRC it doesn't work with ! )
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2319[16:08:33] <coreutil> but mozilla.debian.net doesn't
have non-ESR firefox for stretch yet
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2323[16:09:35] <coreutil> the only problem is with nixnote,
can't I really install it in jessie in any way?
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2326[16:10:44] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
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2327[16:10:45] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-3;
experimental: 52.0~b8-1
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2329[16:10:56] <missmbob> i dont see a problem using sid's
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2333[16:12:32] <coreutil> should I select 'unstable' to
download firefox?
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2334[16:12:56] <missmbob> coreutil: no no. go to
packages.debian.org and download the deb manually. then dpkg -i
foo.deb
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2335[16:13:18] <missmbob> coreutil: do that only *after*
you've upgraded to stretch
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2338[16:14:18] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
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2339[16:14:19] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one
set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to
install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to
SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set
Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this
setup to track <stretch> after its release.
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2341[16:14:35] <babilen> coreutil: ^ would be an option also (apt
-t sid install firefox)
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2344[16:15:11] <missmbob> coreutil: here's the deb assuming
you're on amd64
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2347[16:18:29] <coreutil> missmbob, is 'sid' not
meaning 'unstable' ?
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2348[16:18:39] <coreutil>
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2351[16:19:01] <missmbob> coreutil: yes. the reason firefox isnt
in stretch is because it's frozen. it cant get in. doesnt mean
that firefox isnt okay
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2354[16:19:51] <missmbob> coreutil: no one is telling you to
upgrade to sid/unstable. just firefox if you want
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2358[16:20:21] <veek> does debian have a tool for installs via
the distro itself. eg: i run a standard debian install (i386) on usb
so can i walk to another machine and install on that? (amd64)
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2359[16:20:53] <coreutil> missmbob, I have no problem with
firefox in jessie. my question was about nixnote install
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2360[16:21:05] <pila> n4dir i installed sshfs and want to connect
to my server. i made an entry in ~/.ssh/config with my path to
private key and it still prompts me for a password :/ connecting via
ssh to the same server i dont need a password
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2361[16:21:23] <coreutil> since I was replied that it worked in
nixnote, I checked and saw that firefox was not yet in stretch
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2362[16:21:43] <coreutil> sorry, nixnote worked in stretch, I
mean
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2364[16:22:37] <coreutil> but if firefox would also be fine, as
you said, I can try it
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2365[16:23:11] <coreutil> so I will only need to change sources
list?
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2367[16:23:27] <coreutil> or apt.conf, too?
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2368[16:23:32] <missmbob> coreutil: the only other option is to
manually backport qt5qevercloud-dev and install the resulting debs.
then manually backport nixnote and install those debs
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2370[16:24:03] <missmbob> coreutil: sources.list. from jessie to
stretch
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2371[16:24:11] <Xorin_5s5> How can I see what keyboard layout
I'm using and how can I change it
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2374[16:24:54] <dvs> !tell coreutil about release notes
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2375[16:25:15] <dvs> oh nvm
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2377[16:25:51] <n4dir> pila: not sure how the settings on the
remote ssh-server need to be to first ask for the passphrase of the
key. Let me upload my ~/.ssh/config , so you can compare.
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2380[16:26:20] <n4dir>
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2381[16:26:46] <coreutil> and without altering security lines in
sources list, right?
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2382[16:27:20] <missmbob> coreutil: change it to stretch. wont do
anything for now but it'll kick in right before release
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2383[16:27:24] <R2AMO> coreutil have you helloworlded today ?
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2384[16:27:45] <coreutil> I helloworld everyday
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2386[16:29:01] <missmbob> coreutil: so then apt-get update;
apt-get dist-upgrade;reboot and come back
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2387[16:29:15] <R2AMO> i downloaded
debian-stretch-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso but mirror.yandex.ru repo
still doesn't work
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2390[16:29:54] <pila> n4dir mhh... i still get prompted for a
password :/
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2392[16:30:47] <n4dir> pila: sorry, i can't come up with a
good idea right now. Perhaps share the command you used
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2393[16:30:55] <pila> i think its a permission problem
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2394[16:30:56] <coreutil> missmbob, underway :)
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2395[16:30:58] <pila> wrong permission on my key
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2397[16:31:08] <n4dir> and the config ssh, after altering it so
you don't reveal too much info
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2398[16:31:23] <n4dir> the key is already stored remote?
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2400[16:31:40] <n4dir> well: you said so above, stupid me
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2401[16:32:22] <pila> ok got it working now i think
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2402[16:32:34] <pila> yeah, was indeed a wrong permission
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2404[16:33:00] <pila> thanks alot.
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2405[16:33:05] <n4dir> hurray !
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2407[16:33:18] <pila> now i need to get it stable, what if it
looses the connection? :D
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2409[16:33:41] <veek> does debian have a tool for installs that
can be done via the primary install itself. eg: i run a standard
debian install (i386) on usb so can i walk to another machine and
install on that by using the USB? (amd64)
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2410[16:34:03] <missmbob> !tell veek about preseed
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2413[16:34:44] <n4dir> pila: no clue. I only use it on the home
lan, and here the connection is very stable. rsync would work around
it (you would rerun the backup, but it would only sync the files it
didn't sync already)
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2415[16:35:04] <pila> yeah i'm quite happy now
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2416[16:35:07] <somiaj> veek: on the main debian.org page is an
installer that can do eitehr i386 installs or amd64 installs. You
ahve to manually pick which one at the boot though.
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2417[16:35:12] <n4dir> perhaps there are even better options to
mount remote, sshfs is easy and works for me, i don't know
other solutions
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2418[16:35:16] <pila> i configured it to reconect and check its
alive status
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2419[16:35:30] <pila> i think its great
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2422[16:35:41] <n4dir> cool.
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2423[16:35:47] <pila> thank you
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2425[16:36:52] <veek> missmbob, i don't want an automated
install.. i have my own usb debian OS running olwm so can i plug
that into unknown hardware, boot up and run ./SpecialInstaller and
have it download and install to the target disk the usual CD/DVD GUI
way..
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2426[16:37:00] <veek> somiaj, ah let me check thanks
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2427[16:37:15] <missmbob> veek: oh, yeah, then what somiaj said
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2430[16:38:32] <veek> missmbob, thanks :)
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2435[16:40:09] <warrshrike> i installed llvm-3.5 with apt-get
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2436[16:40:12] <warrshrike> now I need to set LLVM_HOME variable
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2437[16:40:16] <warrshrike> but i cant figure out where apt-get
installed it
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2438[16:40:18] <warrshrike> any idea?
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2443[16:40:52] <dvs> warrshrike, dpkg -L llvm
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2445[16:41:34] <veek> ah hmm.. they give 'Small CDs or USB
sticks' 'Tiny CDs, flexible USB sticks, etc' and
'Network boot'(PXE) those will be iso's.. i'm
looking for an app/binary that I can run once I get to the
targetmachine - which will have DSL etc
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2446[16:41:43] <veek> but i'm stilll checking
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2447[16:42:32] <qdb> hello . what is this ? what happened after
linux update and grub reconfiguration?
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2448[16:43:06] <warrshrike> dvs: AWESOME!
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2449[16:44:14] <veek> ah netboot! (maybe)
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2487[17:02:29] <Shadow_7> veek: debootstrap. Although you need to
chroot to install a kernel and bootloader. And you need to be
running a 64 bit kernel to chroot to a 64 bit install from a 32 bit
distro. Baring qemu or less efficient ways.
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2495[17:06:18] <veek> Shadow_7, i'm installing
debian-installer-8-netboot-amd64 debian-installer-8-netboot-i386 -
maybe this will do it
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2532[17:23:04] <xgpt> Hey everyone. I'm currently looking at
using a cheap android TV box as a low power server in my household.
I want a CLI only distro that will run relatively headache free.
I'm used to debian and am running that on an old Thinkpad right
now, but energy bills are surprisingly high for a laptop 24/7. Has
anyone used those boxes as servers/computers here? I'm not
expecting a lot of power, just something that will run a LAMP stack
and SSH ser
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2533[17:23:13] <xgpt> looking for suggestions for distros and
chipsets
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2548[17:32:07] <ilCyx86_64> Anybody here running an init system
that's not systemd or sysvinit? Most of the ones I've
encountered are either broken/unmaintained or are too much of a
systemd clone.
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2559[17:35:03] <Shadow_7> xgpt: amd a10-micro 6700T... aka mint
box mini pro... laptops tend towards 15W cpus, that one is a 5W cpu
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2561[17:35:39] <Shadow_7> xgpt: otherwise raspberry pi or other
sbcs for lower power usage.
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2568[17:38:53] <n4dir> ilCyx86_64: runit, openrc and whatever
Slackware calls it init system (rc or such). sinit is there too, i
think
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2570[17:39:25] <ilCyx86_64> n4dir: do you use any of them?
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2573[17:39:50] <n4dir> as of now the Slackware one daily, openrc
with gentoo in the past, and runit on dragora
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2574[17:40:24] <n4dir> void linux comes with runit too, iirc
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2575[17:41:20] <n4dir> truth to be told: to me any init system
not being sysv is pretty much a pain in the butt (sysv mainly seems
usable due to sysv-rc-conf)
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2576[17:41:40] <n4dir> s/usable/easy
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2578[17:42:10] <Shadow_7> I used slackware for a short bit.
Although I had to slap a debian stable kernel on it to boot it.
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2580[17:42:23] <ilCyx86_64> n4dir: I've been looking into
using runit on my laptop(s), sounds like a bit of work.
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2582[17:43:25] <n4dir> sorry, i can't help you much with
that. Here it works out of box, but if i want to do something (start
a service, stop a service, add or remove it to automaticall start
during boot), it's a big headache
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2583[17:44:23] <n4dir> the last two years i was mainly busy
trying distros which don't use systemd and get the head in
their package-management system.
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2585[17:45:33] <ilCyx86_64> I was thinking about wrapping a lot
of that stuff with scripts, it doesn't seem too complicated.
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2588[17:46:25] <n4dir> i for one still can't see what is or
was wrong with sysv (but then: i really ain't got much needs
when it comes to the init system)
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2604[17:53:59] <Shadow_7> n4dir: I recall some early days where
udev was run in the wrong sequence, or several times to make sure
other things in the process had /dev/ things to do their thing. On
one knoppix setup, I had to move when udev happened to function.
S##_udev ...
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2607[17:55:05] <Shadow_7> And then there was run level quirks.
level 5 is supposed to be the GUI, but debian did GUI at run level
2.
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2644[18:07:18] <coreutil> missmbob, upgraded, thank you very
much!
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2645[18:07:21] <coreutil> thank you all!
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2648[18:07:46] <missmbob> coreutil: great. you're welcome
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2660[18:12:52] <coreutil> have a good day, ciao!
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2670[18:21:20] <Guest60693> hi
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2687[18:29:53] <jhutchins> Shadow_7: Those runlevels aren't
standardized. There are common conventions, but no real standard.
Debian never really implemented multiple runlevels, just the
framework for LSB compliance.
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2691[18:30:14] <jhutchins> The equivalent for systemd is targets.
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2700[18:36:56] <davidl> I have a permissions issue. A user lool
and group lool owns the folder /etc/loolwsd/ and all files in it but
/etc is owned by root. This user can not view or access any of the
files in this folder anyway. Why?
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2703[18:39:12] <Guest60693> On boot I'm getting an error
saying that the OS requires a manual fsck
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2706[18:40:23] <Shadow_7> Guest60693: boot a live distro and give
it a manual fsck. Some filesystems do that like xfs on /
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2710[18:45:05] <Shadow_7> Guest60693: settings in /etc/fstab can
compensate for bad shutdowns for some filesystems.
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2713[18:45:56] <Guest60693> Basically I am using xenserver as a
hypervisor and have an NFS volume mounted via network based storage
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2720[18:51:59] <mkonecny> Running on a Thinkpad T540P and
upgraded to stretch a month ago. Yesterday my Wireless/wlan0
hardware completely disappeared form the OS'es perspective
(lspci only shows a ethernet network). Have tried reboot several
times as well booting with an older kernel (4.9 -> 4.8). Any
ideas?
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2723[18:52:48] <mkonecny> Hardware in question is an intel
wireless guard - I have also reinstalled iwl3945 firmware package
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2724[18:53:01] <mkonecny> wireless card*
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2728[18:54:59] <mtn> mkonecny, did you do an upgrade right before
this happened?
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2736[18:56:29] <mkonecny> mtn, yes I upgrade every other day
almost
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2738[18:57:00] <mtn> mkonecny, two options for troubleshooting.
look at what got upgraded. boot live disk and see if wifi shows up.
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2743[18:58:50] <petn-randall> davidl: That's not a standard
Debian setup, /etc/ is usually 0755.
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2748[19:01:15] <mkonecny> thanks the live disk will be the first
thing i try after I find a USB stick/blank DVD. I looked at what
packages were upgraded yesterday, but couldn't find anything
that might be the culprit:
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2751[19:01:45] <mkonecny> mtn, msg above
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2753[19:02:25] <mtn> mkonecny, the live disk is the best option,
to rule out hardware/bios problem
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2758[19:03:22] <davidl> petn-randall: ls -al for /etc gives
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2759[19:04:03] <petn-randall> davidl: Then your user
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2766[19:05:59] <davidl> it can. but it can't access
/etc/loolwsd which it owns. I can't cd to it and ls -al loolwsd
shows d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .
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2769[19:08:04] <davidl> unless I login as root and then it works.
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2770[19:08:04] <Shadow_7> davidl: if you couldn't access it,
it would have said, permission denied.
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2771[19:08:36] <davidl> it says permission denied for individual
files in the folder.
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2774[19:09:22] <Shadow_7> davidl: and who owns those files?
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2775[19:09:32] <davidl> the user lool
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2777[19:10:32] <Shadow_7> Is selinux in play? acl's and all
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2778[19:10:58] <petn-randall> davidl: Sounds like uid lookups are
screwed. What OS release are you using?
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2780[19:12:14] <davidl> Testing
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2782[19:12:29] <davidl> I did upgrade to testing just some days
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2804[19:25:57] <davidl> Shadow_7 i have never used selinux so I
can't say.
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2805[19:26:19] <davidl> anyway, I have deleted the users and all
their directories cuz it wasn't that important.
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2807[19:26:55] <petn-randall> davidl: Ah, welcome to beta-testing
our new release!
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2810[19:29:24] <davidl> petn-randall thank you.
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2811[19:30:06] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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2812[19:30:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2813[19:30:25] <petn-randall> davidl: Could you join this
channel? ^^^ This is where all the other stretch users hang out.
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2814[19:30:33] <petn-randall> (and ask again there)
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2882[19:59:13] <OS-26010> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Drezyna12#
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2886[20:01:01] <BluesKaj> OS-26010, wrong place for that , try
the server textbox
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2888[20:01:33] <BluesKaj> you might want to change you pw
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2890[20:01:38] <BluesKaj> your
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2891[20:01:40] <OS-26010> shit
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2893[20:01:47] <OS-26010> ok I'll
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2894[20:01:49] <OS-26010> :)
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2929[20:14:37] <cybrNaut> OS-26010: did you win the pw changing
race, out of curiosity?
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2937[20:17:19] <offgrid> what is the current most popular python
daemon module ?
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2981[20:30:50] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Hey can anyone tell me how to
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2983[20:31:33] <Shadow_7> They should as a part of installation
be setup that way. It doesn't auto-login though.
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2985[20:31:44] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> that's what I though but
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2986[20:32:10] <Shadow_7> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: maybe you have another
installed? lightdm? dpkg-reconfigure might help
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2988[20:32:20] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> been there
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2989[20:32:22] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> done that <3
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2993[20:34:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> oh wait it's failing to
start
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2994[20:34:34] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> nvm
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3006[20:38:44] <petn-randall> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: Are you using Kali?
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3007[20:38:48] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> nope
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3009[20:38:53] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> raspbian
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3010[20:38:59] <petn-randall> !raspbian
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3011[20:39:00] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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3012[20:39:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> really
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3013[20:39:19] <petn-randall> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: Try asking in there
^^^. I think they do some things differently with X11.
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3014[20:39:30] <pila> someone ever worked with backupninja?
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3015[20:39:38] <petn-randall> !ask
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3016[20:39:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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3018[20:40:04] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> petn-randall I asked here because
I'm curious because I've had similar issues in the past
with debian
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3019[20:40:27] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> and the answer here could have
been interesting and worthwhile, if potentially irrelevant
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3020[20:40:48] <missmbob> yes, irrelevant. go to raspbian's
channel
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3022[20:41:02] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> well gee
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3023[20:41:23] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I'm not allowed to learn
more about the interaction between debian and X?
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3024[20:41:39] <nickgaw> Hi, I have a laptop that I travel with
that has debian on it and was wanting to secure it so if I leave it
open someone can't just copy files off of it it is totally text
console based so no GUI what good tips can you suggest as the
security manual does not really talk about laptops mainly servers
and things I don't have?
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3025[20:41:53] <missmbob> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: your problem isnt with
debian. raspbian is off topic.
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3027[20:42:11] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I never mentioned raspbian
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3030[20:42:28] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> I was asking how to manually
configure gdm3
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3031[20:42:33] <missmbob> 13:38 < ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> raspbian
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3032[20:42:42] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> should I instead go to #gdm3?
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3041[20:43:42] <missmbob> it's always so fucking hard
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3049[20:47:17] <TomTomTosch> nickgaw: when using screen you can
lock the console, similar to a gui screensaver. that can be handy
sometimes.
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3051[20:48:04] <nickgaw> I have screen what would I push to do
this?
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3065[20:53:37] <eau4x6> isn't synaptic insane application
running all of this
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3076[21:03:22] <xaa> hi, could you tell me which packages you
suggest for images optimization (png, jpg) on a debian server,
please? optipng & jpegoptim?
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3081[21:04:55] <somiaj> xaa: what do you mean by image
optimization?
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3082[21:05:44] <xaa> reduce images size without loss
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3085[21:06:13] <xaa> for a webserver
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3086[21:06:16] <somiaj> I wouldn't know of any better
alternatives than the one yous you mentioned. I use imagemagick, it
may have tools for optimization, but I'm not familar with them.
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3087[21:06:32] <somiaj> imagemagick is a common tool I've
seen on webservers for manipulating images.
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3088[21:06:35] <xaa> ok thank you
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3089[21:06:45] <somiaj> but those seem just fine for a webserver
and may do what you need
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3090[21:06:48] <ack0> somiaj: GraphicsMagic is great too
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3091[21:07:39] <tw> pngcrush?
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3092[21:07:40] <Shadow_7> imagemagicks convert normally. You
could do the same with gimp and it's scheme scripting, but not
for the meek.
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3093[21:08:31] <tw> i guess that's the oldest, no idea the
most efficient.
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3094[21:09:17] <Shadow_7> if you're not after keeping png or
optimization there's netpbm
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3096[21:10:16] <Shadow_7> recalling some format bng? that has a
javascript plugin to make it supported in browser.
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3099[21:10:29] <nickgaw> I have a western digital my book with
encryption turned on and on my windows 10 pro 64 bit system I first
see it as a cd drive then run a program to enter in the password and
unlock the ntfs formated drive are there any linux methods either
official or unofficial to unlock that drive under linux?
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3100[21:11:20] <Shadow_7> nickgaw: what is providing the
encryption? the drive? bitlocker? ??? ???
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3102[21:11:53] <xaa> ok thank you all. I will give a first try to
optipng and jpgoptim
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3103[21:11:55] <nickgaw> the drive has an optional feature
encryption that can be turned on and off.
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3104[21:12:37] <Shadow_7> xaa: you could probably use ffmpeg to
convert it for that matter
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3109[21:14:56] <tw> nickgaw: try running the unlocker in wine?
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3112[21:16:12] <nickgaw> I don't have X windows installed on
this system. I could always unlock then turn off encryption but the
reason I bought that drive is because of the encryption but I
understand some Linux users points of view on windows only
unlockers.
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3117[21:18:24] <ack0> nickgaw: what's exactly the program
you run to unlock the drive ? And if it can be turned on and off
(without data loss), it's maybe some sort of password
protection implemented in the drive rather than encryption (but
i'm just guessing)
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3120[21:18:55] <tw> ack0: it's self-encrypting. the disk
doesn't even offer a MSD to the host until it is decrypted.
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3122[21:19:45] <nickgaw> it appears as a cdrom that autoplay
opens up and you enter in the password but wd smart ware is the tool
you use to turn on the password feature which takes only seconds to
turn on and off but if you forget the password you are required to
wipe the drive.
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3139[21:24:48] <ack0> nickgaw: ok so if i've understood
well, it simulates an iso9660 fs with an autorun program which asks
the password ? (and encryption/decryption is managed only by drive
firmware, as tw said)
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3140[21:25:23] <nickgaw> yes I believe that is the case as it
takes seconds tot turn it on and off.
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3289[22:41:25] <n-iCe> hi
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3295[22:43:49] <hp> hi
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3325[22:58:49] <ubikite> anybody having segfaults running dnsmasq
2.72-3+deb8u1 version?
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3330[23:00:31] <Brigo> ubikite, i am running it without issues.
Have you checked the integrity of your system?
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3334[23:01:19] <petn-randall> ,v dnsmasq
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3335[23:01:20] <judd> Package: dnsmasq on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 2.62-3+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.62-3+deb7u3; jessie:
2.72-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.72-3+deb8u1; sid: 2.76-5; stretch:
2.76-5
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3338[23:02:14] <missmbob> ,checkbackport dnsmasq
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3339[23:02:15] <judd> Backporting package dnsmasq in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, archignore.
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3341[23:02:22] <missmbob> well there's that if you really
cant figure it out
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3345[23:03:54] <Wzup> Hey. I'm downloading some stuff with
the command curl. How do I check the status of them? Can't see
if they are finished or not?
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3351[23:07:29] <Shadow_7> with -c like wget? and try to get again
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3353[23:08:10] <Shadow_7> not sure, I just use wget and it has a
progress bar
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3354[23:08:10] <Wzup> it says requires parameter
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3356[23:09:17] <Wzup> I normally do to but wanted to try out
curl.
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3358[23:09:39] <Shadow_7> appears to be capital C in curl -C
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3362[23:11:06] <Wzup> it stil says I need a parameter. some
value?
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3363[23:11:27] <Shadow_7> have it as the last parm? it has an
option offset value
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3364[23:11:32] <missmbob> the parameter is the url
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3365[23:11:41] <missmbob> curl -C
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3368[23:13:07] <Wzup> expected a proper numerical parameter it
says.
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3370[23:13:21] <missmbob> pastebin the full command and output
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3376[23:14:49] <Shadow_7> perhaps it's an implied default to
continue
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3380[23:15:16] <Wzup> missmbob:
replaced-url
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3384[23:16:13] <missmbob> oh that's continue at
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3385[23:16:57] <missmbob> another reason why i never use curl. do
you have anything against wget? wget -c
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3386[23:17:24] <missmbob> also:
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3387[23:17:27] <Shadow_7> otherwise check the file itself. bytes,
md5sum, and other things
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3388[23:17:28] <missmbob> !whonix
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3389[23:17:28] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on
Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not
supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>.
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3393[23:19:58] <Wzup> I don't have anything against wget
really. It is the same thing as curl when you download a file via
https? How do I choose a certain path and certain name for the file
I download with wget?
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3394[23:20:01] <drupi> hi. I just installed debian minimal
successfully. now I wonder how I can establish wifi connection from
commandline
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3396[23:20:44] <Shadow_7> drupi: nmtui
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3398[23:21:02] <missmbob> Wzup: in wget it's -O for
filename/path
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3399[23:21:04] <Shadow_7> drupi: or wpa_password + wpa_supplicant
+ dhclient
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3400[23:21:23] <Wzup> missmbob: ok. ty.
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3401[23:21:26] <somiaj> drupi: you can configure wifi networks in
/etc/network/interfaces though I prefer to use that with
wpasupplicant, or you can use more core methods, or even a cli
interface to networkmanager
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3406[23:22:13] <drupi> Shadow_7 somiaj ok thank you. will try
wpa_supplicant
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3409[23:23:37] <cusco_> hello !
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3410[23:23:42] <Shadow_7> nmtui is kind of nice. Versus missing
that 2.4\ ... is part of the ESSID for over an hour.
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3411[23:23:45] <ubikite> missmbob, i'm currently in
backports version.
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3413[23:24:32] <cusco_> so.. a not supported app, binary totally
agains debian's philosophy... and I still ask! App repports its
log date time as 1h later than it actually is...
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3415[23:24:51] <cusco_> this happened when I reconfigured tzdata,
as the whole system was 1 hour fast
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3416[23:25:07] <jad2> hello, is there a debian 9 testing live cd
available for download, I can't s