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• 16[00:16:31] <Paerox> What's the best way to get notified on my Android device if something needs attention on my Debian fileserver/docker-host?
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• 21[00:19:43] <Paerox> ...in an automated way, of course
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• 33[00:29:11] <incal> hello, is there a tool/command/script anywhere that can overwrite with a single color (or make transparent) every pixel to the left, above, right, and below of a certain other color? e.g., if one draws a loop of black, tell the program black is the border, the result would be only what is within the loop? TIA
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• 44[00:37:11] <karlpinc> incal: Look at the programs in imagemagik. They seem to do everything.
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• 53[00:46:19] <ratrace> incal: sounds like something easier done with python and Pillow, than try to bend IM via command line.
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• 60[00:51:09] <RoyK> any idea how I can *reset* the whole of letsencrypt/certbot and start all over? I started using certbot on this rather early and a lot of old shite has accumulated over time. But then - I can't figure out what to just remove/purge to just start over. I thought of asking on #certbot or similar, but it seems they have unplugged everything and you have to spend an hour detailing a bug report, which isn't really
• 61[00:51:15] <RoyK> nice
• 62[00:52:00] <alex11> um... remove /etc certbot stuff or home dot files?
• 63[00:52:02] <alex11> no idea
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• 65[00:52:32] <alex11> not sure if there's an apt option to reset configuration files back to 'factory'
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• 68[00:56:13] <aaro> RoyK: what do you want to do? delete your certificates?
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• 73[00:57:59] <ratrace> aaro: certbot itself is a pile of old shite. do yourself a favour and switch to dehydrated.
• 74[00:58:04] <ratrace> ehhh RoyK ^^
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• 79[01:04:01] <H-var> on december 1st will be 3 months since I've last logged into windows :)
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• 86[01:05:50] <H-var> so far everything is great, except that ristretto really lives up to its name - you don't even have a friggin' print button. I mean come on? No print button in an image viewer app? smh
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• 91[01:07:51] <H-var> got rid of that and installed nomacs - now that's more like an image viewer.
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• 94[01:08:20] <alex11> yeah some of the default desktop apps are stupid
• 95[01:08:32] <alex11> which is why i install things piecemeal and not from the installer
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• 97[01:09:29] <H-var> is there an officially supported debian desktop close to be as fast as xfce, but a bit more developed?
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• 119[01:21:44] <jmcnaught> H-var: did you try GNOME, I don't think it's slow.
• 120[01:24:02] <Unit193> ..That really doesn't compare with Xfce. Budgie, MATE, Cinnamon, heck any of those would be closer.
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• 136[01:50:37] <H-var> does cinnamon have a bigger developer community behind it than xfce?
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• 138[01:52:56] <kryten> Wait a minute, you are judging an entire desktop environment based on a single app that is not even a core one?
• 139[01:53:32] <phogg> H-var: hard to judge since there is a lot of overlap
• 140[01:53:34] <H-var> I actually really like xfce - I use all of its desktop features, and don't feel like I'm missing anything.
• 141[01:54:41] <H-var> anything except some stuffs like some system settings require installing gnome's packages, and that just falling apart in that sector
• 142[01:56:03] <phogg> well GNOME UX is increasingly upside down and backwards, so maybe the lobotomized tools are no longer good for other DEs.
• 143[01:56:12] <alex11> yeah i just use xfce
• 144[01:56:16] <alex11> nothing else feels as good
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• 147[01:57:01] <H-var> yeah, it's great, but I really feel sad that it has to borrow from gnome such essential things
• 148[01:57:13] <H-var> it feels abandoned because of that
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• 150[01:57:33] <alex11> essential things like what?
• 151[01:58:01] <H-var> and I tried chatting in the xfce channel, but it's basically dead. People don't jolly chat around - it doesn't feel like there's anyone full of energy and desire is left behind it
• 152[01:58:09] <phogg> xfce was never a complete environment and always borrowed from the broader gtk ecosystem
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• 154[01:58:39] <H-var> it just kinda... carries on, drifts into the next distro...
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• 156[01:59:07] <H-var> like system settings are missing
• 157[01:59:25] <H-var> not all, but many, so gnome's packages are recommended on the page
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• 159[02:00:19] <H-var> I guess maybe it is meant for more advanced people
• 160[02:00:20] <mikeymop> Got it finally, I had to vgreduce -a, since it was unused
• 161[02:00:25] <mikeymop> then I could pvremove /dev/sda1
• 162[02:00:28] <H-var> like peeps who know what they're doing
• 163[02:00:36] <mikeymop> this cleared the partition, but blkid showed it was type=primary now
• 164[02:01:07] <H-var> and not for someone who just wants to install linux with a desktop and have everything just there
• 165[02:01:18] <hanasaki> what controls the "current policy:" of the cpu freq for ondemand?
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• 167[02:02:13] <H-var> I think what I was unable to find was the login screen better management, such as desktop selection
• 168[02:02:32] <H-var> and for having that it is recommended to install gnome's packs, I think
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• 171[02:04:13] <H-var> that's kinda trivial, not really an important thing to have, but I was not able to find some other typical linux tweaks in xfce and that was the only thing about xfce that made me feel a bit disappointed.
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• 173[02:06:20] <H-var> I really love how you can make taskbar's background color transparent in xfce, so the only running programs are visible - that's so genius, and works amazingly well.
• 174[02:08:35] <H-var> I just found a review of MATE by an older now Sheldon from TBBT lol! replaced-url
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• 177[02:09:05] <H-var> omg he literally looks like an older version of Sheldon haha
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• 179[02:09:30] <Unit193> FWIW, gnome-system-tools isn't used by GNOME and hasn't been for quite a long time. It's mainly used in Xfce and LXDE at this point. Regarding the quiet channel, you wandered into the Xfce *packaging* channel, so yes it's going to be a little less chatty.
• 180[02:10:42] <Unit193> For settings you might want lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings, but yes some more user friendly things may indeed be missing.
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• 182[02:11:11] <Unit193> (I think I'd also say you should look into package-update-indicator)
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• 193[02:25:43] <Paerox> I want to install deluged 2.0.3-2 on my Raspberry Pi (running raspbian). deluged depends on python3-libtorrent, but aptitude says it's unavailable. Is there a way to fix?
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• 195[02:26:55] <sney> !raspbian
• 196[02:26:55] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 197[02:27:28] <Paerox> sney, thanks for the heads up. Will head over there then :-)
• 198[02:27:32] <Unit193> Deluge specifically needs python3-libtorrent (>= 1.1.2), which is only in unstable.
• 199[02:28:17] <Paerox> I know it would be better to run deluge in a docker container, but I haven't learned docker yet
• 200[02:28:38] <Unit193> I use deluge, but I don't use docker or Raspbian for that.
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• 202[02:30:59] <Unit193> ...Err, I mistakenly read that wrong. 1.2.5-1.2 is in unstable, 1.1.11-2 is in stable. Somehow I get thinking 1.2.x...
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• 214[02:35:45] <gry> Unit193, are versions not intended for humans to read them (like an IP), or perhaps they actually are? it's hard to say now :-)
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• 278[03:59:41] <dfcnvt> I messed up with my xorg.conf -- any known existing tool that will automatically generate the configuration file?
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• 280[04:02:22] <Paerox> If you have your xorg.conf file on a btrfs device, you should be able to roll back the changes methinks
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• 282[04:03:17] <Paerox> In case of nvidia, I think one of their tools can do that
• 283[04:04:45] <dfcnvt> I do have nvidia -- I remember using it but can't remember the name of it.
• 284[04:05:26] <alex11> xconfig something
• 285[04:05:29] <alex11> hmm
• 286[04:05:33] <Paerox> aah. your're on to something
• 287[04:05:34] <dfcnvt> (checking)
• 288[04:05:44] <Paerox> On my system I have "nvidia-xconfig"
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• 290[04:06:52] <dfcnvt> Excellent - just went and installed it via apt. Ran it and it created a new config file to it.
• 291[04:06:59] <Paerox> :-)
• 292[04:07:00] <dfcnvt> Alright, wish me luck, going to reboot my computer.
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• 294[04:07:13] * Paerox crosses fingers for nvidia reboot
• 295[04:08:04] <drl> Is there any way to install libOpenCL.so.1 on Bustre?
• 296[04:09:22] <themill> ,file libOpenCL.so.1
• 297[04:09:29] <judd> Search for libOpenCL.so.1 in buster/amd64: ocl-icd-libopencl1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so.1; nvidia-libopencl1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so.1
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• 299[04:11:49] <dfcnvt> Back.
• 300[04:12:14] <Paerox> dfcnvt, How did it go?
• 301[04:12:28] <dfcnvt> Just sharing the news - when rebooted, it didn't work but I learned that I had to move the xorg.conf file into ./xorg.conf.d/ subdirectory
• 302[04:12:43] <dfcnvt> then ran 'sudo service gdm3 restart' and bingo it worked.
• 303[04:12:49] <Paerox> noice!
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• 305[04:14:34] <dfcnvt> :)
• 306[04:15:28] <Paerox> dfcnvt, I'm curious. How is the performance when resizing windows and during playback on YouYube? Smooth?
• 307[04:15:49] <Paerox> whops. mean to say Youtube
• 308[04:15:50] <dfcnvt> playback how?
• 309[04:16:10] <Paerox> Ah, just regular playback in your browser
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• 311[04:16:26] <dfcnvt> (play until it completed then play back again with 100% completed content?)
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• 314[04:17:06] <dfcnvt> Paerox: Well, I'm sure it's subjective but I'll immediately just say that it's smooth but I'll test it out for you.
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• 317[04:17:30] <dfcnvt> (randomly clicking on any youtube video on Chrome browser)
• 318[04:17:35] <Paerox> It's your subjective impression i'm after :-)
• 319[04:17:36] <dfcnvt> It played smoothly and just fine.
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• 321[04:17:56] <Paerox> And resizing windows then?
• 322[04:18:18] <dfcnvt> Resizing good.
• 323[04:19:41] <dfcnvt> (Changed to different browser's size -- no affect to the video quality)
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• 325[04:21:21] <Paerox> I'm curious because I have to enable fast texture scaling on KDE Plasma with my old GTX970 to resize windows quickly and smoothly
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• 327[04:22:18] <Paerox> More content/objects in the window equals choppier resizing, but with fast texture scaling thats not an issue
• 328[04:22:38] <Paerox> What GPU you have?
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• 330[04:23:25] <dfcnvt> No idea -- would 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' be sufficient?
• 331[04:23:37] <drl> judd, thanks, but ocl-icd-libopencl1 won't install. Errors were encountered while processing: install-info
• 332[04:24:08] <dfcnvt> I can collect logs for you if you wish -- but it's very subjective and might now be applicable for you?
• 333[04:24:16] <Paerox> dfcnvt, I think "lspci | grep GTX" will yield better results
• 334[04:24:24] <dfcnvt> (not)
• 335[04:24:25] <dfcnvt> Sure.
• 336[04:25:52] <dfcnvt> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
• 337[04:25:58] <dfcnvt> Paerox: ^^'
• 338[04:26:11] <Paerox> Oh, 550 is old
• 339[04:26:29] <dfcnvt> Yup -- not complaining.
• 340[04:26:30] <Paerox> Glad you have good performance with it in GDM3
• 341[04:26:42] <dfcnvt> Apparently, yeah.
• 342[04:27:52] <Paerox> I've been on KDE Plasma for a while. Might try out Gnome instead because of your info
• 343[04:28:22] <dfcnvt> AMD® Fx(tm)-8320 eight-core processor × 8
• 344[04:28:28] <dfcnvt> ^^ My processor.
• 345[04:28:47] <dfcnvt> Debian 10 (buster)
• 346[04:29:01] <Paerox> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K here
• 347[04:29:15] <dfcnvt> I see - might will come out differently.
• 348[04:29:51] <Paerox> Next workstation build is going to have parts from "team red" for sure
• 349[04:31:34] <Paerox> ..ie CPU/GPU from AMD
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• 352[04:32:34] <dfcnvt> I have the slightest idea about what you said but I'm sure things will get figured out and will smooth it out.
• 353[04:32:58] <dfcnvt> Might will have to consider installing the nvidia driver for it too
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• 355[04:34:05] <Paerox> dfcnvt, I mean i will not use Intel for my CPU and Nvidia for my GPU when i building my next computer eventually
• 356[04:35:13] <Paerox> Linus Thorvalds have some strong points about nvidia, and I agree with him. As I understand it, AMD GPU's have much better support in Linux
• 357[04:35:13] <dfcnvt> Gotcha. Also, you might will need to ensure to setup for non-free repository whenever you do the apt update/upgrade.
• 358[04:35:42] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 359[04:35:54] <Paerox> Currently running non-free nvidia yeah
• 360[04:36:12] <Paerox> it's particularly the non-free part i dont like
• 361[04:37:47] <dfcnvt> If it required you to pull out of your pocket and shell out the payment -- yeah, something would make me uncomfortable. But of course, this is the "closed" source....but it works and its outcome did exactly what we wanted. I'm not planning on "reading" the code if it comes with an open source.
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• 364[04:38:55] <dfcnvt> BUt perhaps -- I may miss the point regarding the philosophy of open source and the use of non-free stuff.
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• 366[04:39:31] <Paerox> dfcnvt, ah, yes. You are missing the point. It's non-free, as in freedom, not as in cost
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• 368[04:42:06] <dfcnvt> The freedom to change towards to the code? Make sense -- it's just a black box but its function did exactly what it delivered....And hopefully there are options with a black box that allows you to do some improvement....But of course, if a programmer is still not satisfied then an open source for video driver might be something to opt for and do whatever goals the programmer is trying to make an
• 369[04:42:12] <dfcnvt> improvement of.
• 370[04:44:14] <Paerox> dfcnvt, Perhaps you'll enjoy this clip - this is from 8 years ago, and nvidia still haven't changed: replaced-url
• 371[04:44:32] <Paerox> ^^ 2 minutes
• 372[04:45:11] <alex11> torvalds.wav
• 373[04:45:22] <alex11> i know what it is without even clicking on it
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• 375[04:45:25] <Paerox> dfcnvt, Exactly, the freedom to change/improve the code
• 376[04:45:29] <Paerox> Hehe
• 377[04:45:32] <dfcnvt> Ah yes -- Linus gave a flick of his finger. I remember watching this. But didn't pay whole attention to the context and its details of what we are trying to make an improve of.
• 378[04:45:45] <alex11> it was about optimus
• 379[04:45:50] <alex11> the combined intel/nvidia thing
• 380[04:46:02] <alex11> if you listen to the audience member's question
• 381[04:46:20] <Paerox> Oh, did'nt know it was about optimus
• 382[04:46:21] <alex11> in other words nvidia in laptops
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• 384[04:47:37] <iflema> just the ...tip
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• 386[04:48:13] <Paerox> Well, I can't imagine nvidia will loose money by making releasing the source code for their chip drivers
• 387[04:49:49] <Paerox> Are there free drivers for AMD GPU's available?
• 388[04:50:53] <iflema> buy/use intel and get a playstation?
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• 390[04:54:37] <Paerox> iflema, naa, I'm a mouse/keyboard kind of gamer. I've tried playing with a console controller for a bit, but I did't feel I was missing out on something.
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• 409[05:16:06] <iflema> need a windows playstation X1
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• 411[05:16:50] <iflema> an xbox
• 412[05:17:24] <Paerox> !microsoft
• 413[05:17:24] <dpkg> somebody said microsoft was an evil corporation based in the USA, maker of Microsoft <Windows>. Ask me about <debian.exe>.
• 414[05:20:37] <iflema> for xmen
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• 416[05:22:13] <iflema> zero ports, zero sugar
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• 520[08:25:22] <jbox> I'm reconsidering my choice of Linode as my VPS provider. What do you guys use? I'm kinda at a three-way tie between Linode, Vultr, and DigitalOcean
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• 523[08:28:14] <nkuttler> what's wrong with linode?
• 524[08:30:35] <jbox> Nothing in particular. I'm just second-guessing myself
• 525[08:33:00] <Hooloovo0> well, if you want my opinion, I don't like a former employee at linode, vultr sounds like it will feed on your rotting corpse, and idk digitalocean sounds like the cloud fell
• 526[08:35:08] <nkuttler> i have hosts with linode and do, they're both ok for my use cases
• 527[08:36:58] <jbox> My personal box (the one I was talking about with the Minecraft server) is with Linode and my super-small box for a linux/programming community I help run is with Vultr
• 528[08:38:20] <leibniz> Ovh and hetzner
• 529[08:38:27] <leibniz> I don’t use linode
• 530[08:38:33] <leibniz> but I hear good things
• 531[08:38:41] <jbox> How is the Hetzner dashboard? It looks like a good site
• 532[08:39:37] <jbox> Is Hetzner smaller than Linode/Vultr/DigitalOcean? I haven't heard as much about it, although I've definitely head the name before.
• 533[08:40:14] <leibniz> Yea it’s really nice
• 534[08:40:20] <leibniz> dude hetzner is sick
• 535[08:40:31] <leibniz> Yes hetzner is smaller
• 536[08:40:40] <leibniz> I’ll show you their auction
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• 538[08:41:12] <leibniz> replaced-url
• 539[08:41:47] <leibniz> Ovh > linode > digitalocean IMO
• 540[08:42:00] <leibniz> but
• 541[08:42:03] <jbox> I've heard of Ovh but haven't tried them
• 542[08:42:06] <leibniz> ramnkde is good
• 543[08:42:10] <leibniz> ramnode *
• 544[08:42:19] <leibniz> Ramnode < ovh
• 545[08:43:04] <leibniz> I mean
• 546[08:43:27] <leibniz> Ovh is my favorite vps deal I’ve used
• 547[08:43:38] <jbox> The whole concept of an auction sounds shady
• 548[08:43:39] <leibniz> just the most efficient
• 549[08:43:44] <leibniz> it’s weird
• 550[08:44:23] <jbox> I don't understand why they'd have auctions unless it's to swindle money
• 551[08:44:45] <jbox> Can't they just spin up a VPS at the drop of a hat with whatever specs?
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• 553[08:44:54] <jbox> Oh, or is this for bare metal stuff?
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• 562[09:17:32] <jbox> What operating systems do you guys use for your servers?
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• 567[09:24:41] <nkuttler> jbox: debian gnu/linux
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• 569[09:26:36] <jbox> good choice!
• 570[09:26:56] <jbox> wouldn't have guessed that answer from someone in #debian
• 571[09:27:47] <azeem> yeah, only few run debian gnu/hurd or debian gnu/kfreebsd on servers
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• 584[09:51:03] <jelly> if I needed freebsd I'd probably run normal freebsd userspace
• 585[09:51:34] <dob1> why if I search on google "paste debian" I found paste.debian.net and the title is with an arabic writing?
• 586[09:52:04] <dob1> I suppose is arabic
• 587[09:52:29] <azeem> not here
• 588[09:52:56] <dob1> just me?
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• 590[09:54:49] <jelly> dob1: the web page might be reading your browser preferences and defaulting to the first language it supports
• 591[09:55:07] <dob1> I am european
• 592[09:56:01] <jelly> me too, covid high five?
• 593[09:56:13] <dob1> :)
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• 616[10:31:06] <leibniz> i love debian
• 617[10:31:26] <leibniz> i recently switched from debian to arch for docker
• 618[10:31:27] <leibniz> but
• 619[10:32:28] <jbox> I'm an Arch user trying out debian
• 620[10:32:51] <jbox> I wrote it off in the past because I have no use case for anything other than rolling release, but I'm liking Debian so far
• 621[10:32:56] <jbox> APT is wonderful
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• 623[10:35:05] <leibniz> also ipv6 is super easy to set up
• 624[10:35:32] <jbox> the debian community has been very nice too, I've noticed
• 625[10:35:55] <leibniz> i'm back on debian now
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• 673[11:42:02] <andrew_znc> debian 11 is going to be out?
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• 686[12:01:06] <festerdam> Hi, all. It happened to me again this time on Buster instead of testing. I tried installing libavcodec-dev and then libavcodec-extra (through apt install). When I run that last command, I noticed there are sudendly quite some packages pending to be removed. I then, like last time, noticed most of my software I had previously installed was no longer listed in the applications list. If it'll be like last
• 687[12:01:12] <festerdam> time, if I reboot I'll land into a tty, since even gdm will have been removed.
• 688[12:01:25] <festerdam> What should I do?
• 689[12:01:48] <festerdam> I could send a paste of the command's outputs.
• 690[12:01:59] <loeken> don't click yes when it asks you "are you sure you want to remove these packages" ;) ?
• 691[12:03:11] <festerdam> It only said "These packages will be removed: libasound2-plugins:i386 libavcodec58 libavcodec58:i386" I didn't expect it to have these consequences.
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• 693[12:04:39] <loeken> apt-cache rdepends --installed yourpackage
• 694[12:04:53] <loeken> it wont just start removing random packets :)
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• 698[12:08:24] <festerdam> loeken: Which package should I give as argument?
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• 701[12:10:39] <loeken> let's start at the beginning: what is your end goal ?
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• 703[12:11:08] <loeken> why do you want to replace these pacakges?
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• 705[12:13:57] <huma> how come stretch is at kernel 4.9, while buster at 4.19?
• 706[12:14:30] <festerdam> I had an executable that was crying about some libraries it couldn't find, so I started installing packages that seemed to be the right ones to see if they were in fact the right one. Unfortunately it's all in Portuguese, but I think Google translate can help: replaced-url
• 707[12:14:40] <festerdam> *ones
• 708[12:15:16] <loeken> "that was crying about some libraries it couldn't find" <- what application and what libraries?
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• 710[12:17:08] <quadrathoch2> huma because stretch is older, and debian doesn't backport kernels
• 711[12:18:27] <loeken> huma which version is newer 4.9 or 4.19 ;) ?
• 712[12:18:51] <festerdam> It was an executable (not important since I'm more worried about fixing the system than that individual executable) that needed libavcodec.so.56 .
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• 714[12:19:50] <chipps> Hi, I'm trying to get systemd-boot to work with my system. I ran `bootctl install`, and added /boot/efi/loader/loader.conf and /boot/efi/loader/entries/debian.conf. But in the login screen I can't see boot entries
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• 717[12:22:39] <quadrathoch2> chipps so what did you add into the conf files?
• 718[12:22:58] <chipps> yeah just a sec
• 719[12:24:27] <chipps> replaced-url
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• 721[12:25:34] <jelly> huma, quadrathoch2: debian does backport kernels every now and then, but a release will keep the default one during its support lifetime. When LTS Team takes over they usually switch to only supporting the same kernel version as used in the release after that
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• 724[12:26:59] <quadrathoch2> jelly backports are not supported, they are just backported by people who may or may not update to the latest release of that package (when there is a security fix for example)
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• 726[12:27:11] <festerdam> loeken: I just noticed something libreoffice-writer is not listed in the applications and I can't run libreoffice-writer from terminal, but libreoffice is listed (and can be run) and I am able to run libreoffice-writer from there. So seems like the software is still there, but can't be found for some reason. (My PATH is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games at the moment)
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• 728[12:27:30] <quadrathoch2> chipps so the first thing I see is, you would need to remove ../ (as it's only /) so maybe that's why it get's confused
• 729[12:28:28] <chipps> quadrathoch2: that's what I did before, and there it was complaining (since the paths are supposed to be relative to /boot/efi)
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• 731[12:28:36] <loeken> festerdam what does which libreoffice-writer return?
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• 734[12:29:26] <chipps> quadrathoch2: should I try putting a copy of the kernel images inside /boot/efi? since it's in a different partition
• 735[12:29:35] <festerdam> Empty output, just a newline.
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• 737[12:30:05] <quadrathoch2> chipps I wouldn't, but what exact error do you get with either one of the loaders? (the ../ or /)
• 738[12:31:37] <festerdam> loeken: I now see that lowriter is in /usr/bin and it launches Libreoffice writer.
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• 742[12:32:25] <jelly> quadrathoch2: lts team supports their backported kernel.
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• 744[12:33:19] <jelly> and it's in security repo, not the backports repo
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• 746[12:33:40] <jelly> ,v linux-image-4.19-amd64 --arch amd64
• 747[12:33:41] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-4.19-amd64' was found in amd64.
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• 749[12:33:52] <jelly> not sure why the bot fails to find it
• 750[12:33:54] <loeken> <chipps> remove the .. from your config
• 751[12:34:28] <quadrathoch2> jelly, ahh til :)
• 752[12:34:32] <quadrathoch2> thanks
• 753[12:35:00] <jelly> but that only happens _after_ lts takes over, and when they decide they don't have man power to support both
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• 756[12:35:44] <jelly> huma: so if you need it, you can install linux-image-4.19-amd64
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• 758[12:36:38] <chipps> quadrathoch2: putting a copy of the kernel images inside /boot/efi and changing the paths worked. I think the problem was the partition containing the kernel image wasn't mounted at that point
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• 760[12:37:20] <festerdam> loeken: I wonder if installing the software apt said would be removed could fix it.
• 761[12:37:36] <loeken> would yeah
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• 763[12:39:07] <festerdam> loeken: It didn't.
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• 766[12:40:56] <loeken> well if you remove a package and then instal it afterwards - it ll be there
• 767[12:41:08] <loeken> unless that's not what you mean ;)
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• 769[12:42:26] <festerdam> I meant "These packages will be removed: libasound2-plugins:i386 libavcodec58 libavcodec58:i386". I could try installing those that are on the list to be removed, but last time I tried it there was still some software missing after doing so.
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• 771[12:43:26] <festerdam> Is there some txt file with all default debian packages listed?
• 772[12:43:49] <deltanedas> any plans to update android-sdk from api 23?
• 773[12:44:00] <loeken> festerdam, dpkg -l
• 774[12:44:07] <loeken> oh no that is installed
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• 776[12:45:07] <deltanedas> install to vm and dpkg -l
• 777[12:45:25] <loeken> smart boy
• 778[12:45:30] <loeken> :)
• 779[12:45:44] <loeken> and use that vm to test hehe ( snapshots and all the goodies )
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• 782[12:48:10] <huma> loeken: ah, right :)
• 783[12:48:41] <huma> jelly: thank you
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• 787[12:49:43] <loeken> :)
• 788[12:49:48] <festerdam> deltanedas: XD That's smart. Will now install virtualbox.
• 789[12:50:31] <deltanedas> or "The base system consists of all those packages with priority required or important."
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• 808[13:16:10] <festerdam> I think I'm stupid. XD I was in the "Recently used" tab of Gnome's menu app listing. That's why it didn't use more than one page. If I go to "All", I see that Libreofice writer is installed (seems like libreoffice-writer never has been a command on Debian Buster) and that 2,75 pages of apps are filled (still doesn't seem much, but all apps I remember seem to be installed).
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• 810[13:17:21] <festerdam> I'm impressed by my ability of not noticing things.
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• 820[13:28:10] <ratrace> *facepalm* replaced-url
• 821[13:28:29] <ratrace> yup, debian too.... replaced-url
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• 823[13:31:55] <ratrace> how many CVEs are needed for people to realize that behemoth ecosystems made of thousands of programs that interact in insanely complex and hard to audit ways should be immediately purged from computers and safely stored under lock and key in a vault for future generations to learn from past mistakes.
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• 827[13:33:12] <oiaohm> ratrace: its not just that we don't have the budget to mathematically audit all software for defects either.
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• 830[13:36:09] <ratrace> oiaohm: once we invent the AI that will be able to do so, that AI will be abused to then "safely" create even more instane interfaces that are even harder to audit. because, gnome.
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• 832[13:37:02] <ratrace> Y'all wanted Tëh Year of Tëh Linux Desktop. Here it is, in full glory.
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• 845[13:50:42] <EdePopede> TYoTL DE?
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• 854[14:00:59] <Posterdati> hi
• 855[14:01:53] <Posterdati> please I have a problem with 10 + dvd drive: when I eject a disk the tray come out but suddenly retreats
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• 857[14:03:00] <ratrace> I've seen that happen on windoze too. many, many orbits ago. how are you ejecting the disk, btw?
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• 873[14:12:06] <derpadmin> Posterdati, did you try the "eject" command?
• 874[14:12:13] <derpadmin> eject /dev/cdrom0
• 875[14:12:18] <derpadmin> or something like that
• 876[14:15:23] <Posterdati> yes
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• 878[14:20:43] <EdePopede> Posterdati: tried it already outside of any OS, like with the BIOS open?
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• 881[14:21:29] <Posterdati> ?
• 882[14:22:04] <EdePopede> just to avoid any influence from OS side
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• 884[14:25:48] <Posterdati> EdePopede: always worked before
• 885[14:25:58] <Posterdati> before 10
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• 890[14:28:36] <Posterdati> replaced-url
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• 893[14:29:12] <EdePopede> Posterdati, maybe replaced-url
• 894[14:29:35] <EdePopede> seems to be the same solution :)
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• 898[14:30:45] <EdePopede> why would someone set the tray to autoclose?
• 899[14:31:11] <EdePopede> one thing windoze taught me long ago is that everything auto is just insane
• 900[14:31:20] <Posterdati> it is a default setting I think, I never touched that sysctl var
• 901[14:31:35] <Posterdati> anyway solved with the sysctl setting :)
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• 903[14:32:13] <grondilu> anybody here knows privoxy well ?
• 904[14:33:07] <quadrathoch2> grondilu just ask, maybe somebody can answer you
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• 906[14:33:48] <grondilu> I'm wondering if it's a reasonable solution to automatically redirect youtube addresses to an invidious instance. Is it overkill ?
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• 909[14:35:57] <grondilu> Instead I could perhaps override the name resolution somewhere.
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• 927[14:47:08] <ratrace> grondilu: "invidious"?
• 928[14:47:41] <dvs> Nvidious?
• 929[14:49:31] <grondilu> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 938[14:55:58] <BCMM> So i sort of messed up restoring a backup, and now certain group IDs in the filesystem do not match GIDs in /etc/group. can anybody think of a systematic way of fixing this?
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• 940[14:56:34] <BCMM> the system works fine for almost everything; i just get occasional problems like "oh, didn't my user used to be able to read systemd logs?"
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• 942[14:57:00] <BCMM> i've been fixing them as they come up, but this could go on forever
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• 946[14:57:52] <AndreasLutro> BCMM: find has a -group operator that you can use to find all files owned by a GID, e.g. `find / -group 17 -print0 | xargs -0 chgrp newgroup`
• 947[14:58:24] <BCMM> thanks, that might help on the occasions when i find a group that is wrong
• 948[14:59:39] <rudi_s> BCMM: Consider using -xdev with find or it will enter directories like /proc and /sys which can take a long time.
• 949[14:59:54] <BCMM> thanks
• 950[15:00:01] <rudi_s> However, If you have multiple file systems mounted (e.g. / and /home) you'll have to specify both when running find.
• 951[15:00:35] <BCMM> i was wondering if there was a way of tracking down files, managed by dpkg, that do not belong to the group that dpkg expects them to or something
• 952[15:00:51] <BCMM> oh, i don't think anything in /home/ is wrong
• 953[15:00:58] <rudi_s> Oh, and chgrp might need a -h to prevent following symlinks. However, I'm not sure what the actual default is.
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• 957[15:02:54] <ratrace> grondilu: does that have cname support, or in other words, will it properly handle requests to YT hostnames and URIs?
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• 959[15:04:10] <ratrace> if yes, you can try a DNS hijack via /etc/hosts. surely there's docs on how to use it properly?
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• 963[15:10:42] <grondilu> ratrace: that DNS thing could work indeed
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• 997[15:52:24] <karlpinc> BCMM: debsums?
• 998[15:53:18] <BCMM> karlpinc: isn't that file contents only, and therefore not permissions or ownership?
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• 1022[16:37:25] <shtrb> Anyone have a clue which package sends this message "Bluetooth: hci0: SCO packet for unknown connection handle 0" (I'm wondering if that is by bluez or ofono ) ?
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• 1027[16:41:34] <abrotman> or kernel?
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• 1030[16:42:53] <shtrb> oh boy , yes , that could be too :-(
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• 1144[18:56:22] <karlpinc> BCMM: Guess so.
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• 1148[18:58:29] <karlpinc> BCMM: There's the mtree-netbsd package. But that requires specification from you. You'd have to measure from a backup, or a fresh install.
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• 1152[18:59:23] <f-a> when I sudo vim /etc/some⇥ it does not get autocompleted (I suspect because, as a user, I do not even have read access to those)
• 1153[18:59:27] <f-a> is there a way to let me do it?
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• 1155[19:00:19] <neoclust> hi
• 1156[19:00:39] <neoclust> i am doing some personnal python3 modules packages. Where is is supposed to be installed ?
• 1157[19:00:55] <shtrb> venv ?
• 1158[19:01:07] <neoclust> /usr/lib/python3 ? /usr/lib/python3.7 ?
• 1159[19:01:18] <neoclust> i see both on my buster
• 1160[19:01:27] <EdePopede> is sudo not able to just give a root shell?
• 1161[19:01:34] <shtrb> EdePopede, sudo -s
• 1162[19:01:38] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede it can, sudo -i
• 1163[19:02:01] <EdePopede> wow. thanks.
• 1164[19:02:13] <EdePopede> doesn't seem i ever used it Oo
• 1165[19:02:59] <shtrb> EdePopede, working as root is evil
• 1166[19:02:59] <EdePopede> but it's typical for a linux manpage that the most trivial use case doesn't have an example
• 1167[19:03:18] <EdePopede> yes, i am evil
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• 1171[19:08:34] <karlpinc> neoclust: You're probaly better off installing in a python virtual environment. That way you don't have to worry about conflicts between using pip as a package manager and apt. Or, make your own .deb file.
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• 1176[19:09:17] <karlpinc> shtrb: Working as root is not evil. Working as root when you don't need to be root is evil. Myself, I prefer `su -`.
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• 1197[19:28:06] <n4dir> evil doesn't seem to be the guy he used to be. I'd call it a bad idea, at most.
• 1198[19:28:42] <karlpinc> Evil's been overworked and under stress lately.
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• 1204[19:32:42] <n4dir> lol. Poor guy
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• 1222[19:52:24] <tohoyn> I get the following error when I'm trying to clone packages from Salsa: gbp:error: Git command failed: Error running git clone: git@salsa.debian.org: Permission denied (publickey).
• 1223[19:52:33] <tohoyn> I have just changed my GPG key
• 1224[19:53:02] <tohoyn> and my Salsa projects use the old key
• 1225[19:53:05] <tohoyn> in Salsa
• 1226[19:53:10] <DLange> that should be more a ssh key issue
• 1227[19:53:19] <ratrace> clone via https
• 1228[19:53:31] <DLange> can't you clone via ... what ratrace says :)
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• 1231[19:54:43] <tohoyn> https works! lots of thanks!
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• 1273[20:24:55] <tohoyn> hello. I just uploaded package theme-d-gnome version 0.9.4-4 to mentors but now I can't see it there at all
• 1274[20:24:59] <NetTerminalGene> why isn't virtualbox in repo?
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• 1276[20:25:48] <tohoyn> I also uploaded package theme-d version 3.1.0-1 which worked fine
• 1277[20:27:35] <tohoyn> I get the following message: "The requested resource was not found on this server."
• 1278[20:27:41] <quadrathoch2> NetTerminalGene replaced-url
• 1279[20:27:45] <tohoyn> for theme-d-gnome
• 1280[20:28:05] <Brigo> !virtualbox
• 1281[20:28:05] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see replaced-url
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• 1283[20:28:44] <tohoyn> sorry. there was an error in the package.
• 1284[20:29:15] <Brigo> ,bug 794466
• 1285[20:29:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1288[20:29:31] <alexrelis[m]> I'm using nm-applet and I want to connect to a network but it doesn't let me scroll down to click it.
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• 1303[20:53:48] <NetTerminalGene> Brigo: why can't debin make an exception and upload new versions?
• 1304[20:54:50] <quadrathoch2> NetTerminalGene I guess because virtualbox is not as necessary as firefox for example
• 1305[20:55:25] <NetTerminalGene> qemu is more performant anyway
• 1306[20:55:35] <quadrathoch2> that's another reason
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• 1311[20:59:16] <Vanfanel> Hi! I am building a small system in which the kernel directly runs a custom bash script as init. The only problem is that open() fails on /dev/tty, even if I re-create it with "mknod -m 666 /dev/tty c 5 0". Am I missing something obvious here? Like "you can't have a working /dev/tty without systemd" or something like that.
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• 1319[21:03:40] <NetTerminalGene> can i read man page with something different?
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• 1321[21:04:19] <NetTerminalGene> man sucks. searching in the page is useless
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• 1347[21:38:43] <EdePopede> NetTerminalGene: woman
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• 1350[21:39:12] <EdePopede> ,info dreplaced-url
• 1351[21:39:14] <judd> Package dreplaced-url
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• 1359[21:46:11] <NetTerminalGene> EdePopede: -_-
• 1360[21:46:21] <NetTerminalGene> what?
• 1361[21:46:23] <EdePopede> mh?
• 1362[21:46:34] <EdePopede> ,info woman
• 1363[21:46:36] <NetTerminalGene> there is no woman package
• 1364[21:46:38] <judd> No package named 'woman' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1365[21:46:38] <EdePopede> wot
• 1366[21:46:57] <EdePopede> ,file bin/woman
• 1367[21:47:02] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 1370[21:50:18] <EdePopede> i *know* i used something else than man in the past, hm
• 1371[21:50:38] <jmcnaught> GNU info?
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• 1374[21:52:49] <jmcnaught> ,rprovides man-browser
• 1375[21:52:51] <judd> Package man-browser in buster/amd64 is provided by: gman, jed-extra, konqueror, man-db.
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• 1378[21:53:49] <NetTerminalGene> there is no man-browser
• 1379[21:54:14] <jmcnaught> It is a virtual package that is provided by one of the packages listed by judd.
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• 1381[21:54:22] <jmcnaught> So maybe try gman first.
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• 1385[21:57:05] <NetTerminalGene> it says man frontend for X
• 1386[21:57:13] <NetTerminalGene> i use wayland
• 1387[21:57:46] <jmcnaught> That does not matter, Wayland has an XWayland X server for backwards compatibility with X.
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• 1390[22:00:35] <EdePopede> jmcnaught: not even info, replaced it with pinfo (easier handling) ;)
• 1391[22:00:59] <EdePopede> amd WoMan seems to be part of emacs, but i definitely didn't have it installed
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• 1424[22:45:23] <scruloose> Hey all, I have a mystery process called "pool" (and variations like pool-formiko) that keeps triggering my systemd automounts at frequent intervals...
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• 1427[22:46:47] <scruloose> "which pool" returns nothing, and I'm hoping someone can point me at how to identify what this is and how to make it stop triggering my automounts (which, of course, results in them never auto-unmounting).
• 1428[22:47:08] <abrotman> What's the PPID?
• 1429[22:47:38] <phogg> scruloose: get the pid and look at its /proc/$pid/exe link target
• 1430[22:47:38] <jmcnaught> scruloose: if you know the PID of the process you can do "systemctl status PID" to see which service it belongs to, if any
• 1431[22:48:00] <jhutchins> I know "!surveys" - but has anybody set up a home mail server behind NAT that they can connect to from a cell phone? The automatic check for outbouond connectivity is preventing me from saving a configuration that worked for inbound-only on an older phone. If you have a guide you followed I'd appreciate hearing about it.
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• 1433[22:49:20] <scruloose> Hmm, I'll have a look.
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• 1437[22:51:08] <scruloose> @jmcnaught, "PID 1362040 does not belong to any loaded unit", so I guess we can scratch that off the list.
• 1438[22:51:46] <Posterdati> hi
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• 1440[22:52:59] <scruloose> And "ls: cannot access '/proc/1362040': No such file or directory"
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• 1442[22:53:09] <abrotman> what is the PPID?
• 1443[22:53:10] <sney> jhutchins: not 'home' per se, but that describes a SMB one I set up a few years ago, with perfectly fine imap connectivity from a wide range of employee phones
• 1444[22:53:42] <scruloose> abrotman, sorry, but what is a PPID and how do I find it?
• 1445[22:53:52] <sney> jhutchins: I didn't have to do anything special in that case, besides combining the ssl certificates. what issue are you saying?
• 1446[22:53:57] <sney> *seeing
• 1447[22:54:23] <Brigo> scruloose, i think you mean PID
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• 1449[22:55:17] <H-var> hey guys how do I make openvpn automatically enter my login and password and join my server upon reboot?
• 1450[22:55:45] <sney> you can set user/password in your config file, iirc.
• 1451[22:55:46] <jhutchins> sney: The biggest problem I've had is that the settings on the phone and the configuration on the server seem to use different termonology. My web cert is current, but it appears that my mail cert isn't, and I'm not sure where that's configured, it's been a while.
• 1452[22:56:11] <abrotman> jhutchins: what is your MTA?
• 1453[22:57:04] <jmcnaught> scruloose: PPID is the third column of "ps -ef"
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• 1455[22:57:30] <scruloose> @Brigo, I believe the PID is 1362040, but abrotman has asked twice about the PPID, which is not a thing I'm familiar with. (Parent's PID?)
• 1456[22:57:34] <sney> jhutchins: iirc either postfix or dovecot (maybe both) needed a full service restart to use a renewed cert, e.g. 'postfix reload' wasn't enough
• 1457[22:57:36] <jhutchins> abrotman: Let me double-check, it's been years. I think it's postfix.
• 1458[22:58:01] <jhutchins> Nope, exim4.
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• 1460[22:58:28] <jmcnaught> H-var: how are you starting openvpn connections?
• 1461[22:58:34] <jhutchins> sney: I don't even remember how I generated the cirt in the first place.
• 1462[22:59:17] <Brigo> scruloose, ok, i said noting. :)
• 1463[22:59:30] <H-var> jmcnaught I'm just doing openvpn3 session-start --config /...every time I restart
• 1464[22:59:34] <sney> jhutchins: then that is probably outdated, yes. you can use the same cert for all 3 daemons as long as they're for the same fqdn or a relevant wildcard. tell exim4 to use the same one as your httpd, and set your certbot hooks to match
• 1465[23:02:42] <scruloose> abrotman, "ps -ef -q 1362040" returns only the column headers, no actual results.
• 1466[23:02:48] <jhutchins> Yeah, I was kindof hoping for a step-by-step guide, because this is probably based on what was originally sarge.
• 1467[23:02:51] <Onyx47> H-var: you can use systemd to start it, see replaced-url
• 1468[23:03:01] <scruloose> Brigo, Heh! :)
• 1469[23:03:52] <H-var> yes, Onyx47, but it then asks me for loging and pass each time
• 1470[23:03:53] <sney> jhutchins: a step-by-step guide that applies to your homebrew server?
• 1471[23:04:08] <H-var> can I add login and pass into the opnvpn file somehow?
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• 1473[23:04:09] <sney> jhutchins: why don't you pastebin some stuff, and we can figure it out from there.
• 1474[23:04:10] <abrotman> scruloose: with 'ps -ef', the third column is the PPID
• 1475[23:05:15] <Onyx47> H-var: ah, the didn't cover the secrets file in there, this looks correct at a glance, been a while since I was setting it up: replaced-url
• 1476[23:05:24] <scruloose> abrotman, yep, and the second column is the PID of the thing whose PPID I'm looking for, yes?
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• 1478[23:05:47] <scruloose> abrotman, except that there's no such PID in the list. :(
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• 1480[23:08:34] <scruloose> I will say that there are several PIDs corresponding to "pool" in the journalctl log... and they appear to be sequential.
• 1481[23:09:44] <Brigo> ,v formiko
• 1482[23:09:45] <judd> Package: formiko on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.3.0-1; buster: 1.3.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-1
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• 1484[23:11:46] <H-var> Run the following commands to show a list of possible vpn.ovpn files: "cd /etc/openvpn" "bash: cd: /etc/opnvpn: No such file or directory"
• 1485[23:12:10] <sney> looks like you mistyped the dir, missing e
• 1486[23:12:14] <H-var> i don't have such directory
• 1487[23:12:23] <sney> you can type the beginning and tab complete the rest
• 1488[23:12:46] <H-var> omg lol
• 1489[23:13:29] <H-var> I have sub directories though, unlike the guide - I have client, server directories, and an update-resolv.conf file
• 1490[23:13:41] <scruloose> abrotman, Okay, I caught one of those PIDs in ps! It's ppid is 2, and the process name is truncated but starts with [kworker/5:0-wg-crypt-wgpia0
• 1491[23:13:52] <sney> right, so you're logging in to an openvpn server, which means you want to change client settings
• 1492[23:14:15] <H-var> yeah. It's empty now. I'll go copy the file there
• 1493[23:14:17] <H-var> ncie!
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• 1495[23:16:10] <jmcnaught> The openvpn@.service template on my system looks for conf files in /etc/openvpn, from the ExecStart= line: '… --config /etc/openvpn/%i.conf …'
• 1496[23:16:40] <H-var> but the guide says I need to copy the client file to the /etc/openvpn, but I also have folders "client" and "server" inside it. Just ignore them?
• 1497[23:17:49] <jmcnaught> H-var: also if you are using NetworkManager already then there is network-manager-openvpn (and network-manager-openvpn-gnome for GTK GUIs)
• 1498[23:18:17] <jmcnaught> H-var: I just ignore /etc/openvpn/{client,server}
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• 1500[23:18:35] <sney> if the dir is empty then it's picking up defaults from somewhere else, but /etc/openvpn/* may still apply
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• 1504[23:20:39] <H-var> okay! Let me try to reboot guys, and see, if it worked :O
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• 1508[23:24:26] <H-var> it worked!
• 1509[23:24:58] <H-var> it should now show that I'm from USA instead of my real Country!
• 1510[23:25:42] <sney> ~H-var@178.239.173.176 this ip address is in london, uk, according to geobytes
• 1511[23:26:00] <sney> though I suppose you didn't say if you were using the vpn for everything or just a few connections
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• 1513[23:27:40] <H-var> thanks, sney
• 1514[23:29:59] <H-var> I get it that vpn is useless for privacy because basically instead of giving your private info to your ISP, you give all your private info to some another company
• 1515[23:30:22] <H-var> and in most cases it is actually much safer to just trust your ISP instead of some company
• 1516[23:30:45] <H-var> but I just use it because I find it satisfying that google thinks I speak german
• 1517[23:30:48] <H-var> haha
• 1518[23:30:50] <sney> your vpn provider has less of a reason to do something with that information than your isp, usually, though it is a good question to ask
• 1519[23:33:57] <scruloose> H-var: I use PIA VPN because a) my ISP in particular has an *abysmal* privacy record and has shown itself to be my adversary, and b) PIA's "no logs" claim has been tested in US federal court.
• 1520[23:36:03] <scruloose> A VPN isn
• 1521[23:36:43] <quadrathoch2> scruloose PIA was bought out
• 1522[23:36:54] <quadrathoch2> by a company which has not the greatest history
• 1523[23:37:24] <scruloose> oops! A VPN isn't necessarily useless for privacy; you're just making a choice of what party to trust.
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• 1526[23:38:04] <quadrathoch2> scruloose yup, just wanted to point it out that that tried before court doesn't say anything anymore, as the rules inside the company could have changed
• 1527[23:38:15] <scruloose> quadrathoch2: That's worrying news. I guess it might be time for me to re-evaluate which VPN provider *I* choose to trust.
• 1528[23:38:42] <scruloose> quadrathoch2: Thanks for the heads-up!
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• 1530[23:39:44] <quadrathoch2> I wanted to use them because of the gift cards payment option :/ nope
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• 1538[23:53:06] <Kobaz> I'm having issues with mic input. Works in firefox. Works in audacity. Works in zoom, But not in Chrome, and not in Slack
• 1539[23:53:15] <Kobaz> I think anything Chromium based can't see the mic
• 1540[23:59:11] <jhutchins> Two launches tonight at about 6:27 CST: replaced-url
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