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0[00:00:00] <enowaldo> annadane: Which release notes? xorg, linux-image, or ... ?
1[00:00:14] <annadane> replaced-url
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3[00:00:35] <enowaldo> annadane: Thanks, no.
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7[00:01:10] <annadane> in any case i'm pretty useless at all this, best let one of the experts take it
8[00:01:53] <enowaldo> annadane: Any recommendations on who's expert?
9[00:02:07] <annadane> probably many people idling in this channel!
10[00:02:27] <annadane> or bug debian-user@lists.debian.org if nobody answers
11[00:03:02] <jmcnaught> update-grub should be called automatically when you install a kernel package
12[00:03:52] <annadane> but yes every debian release comes with release notes which people should read when dist-upgrading, it may address some problems they have
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14[00:04:05] <annadane> and yes, for a newer kernel you'll need apt dist-upgrade and not just upgrade
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23[00:09:02] <melpy> How can I find all the packages that would break if I removed systemd
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26[00:10:51] <jmcnaught> melpy: you don't need to remove systemd to use a different init. Look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz (at the bottom) for how to do it properly
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34[00:14:32] <EdePopede> any reason why moinmoin is python-moinmoin in debian? thought it was taken out until i found it in the list
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40[00:18:25] <enowaldo> annadane: yeah, I thought I'd try IRC first.
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42[00:21:43] <enowaldo> melpy: You can run apt (or apt-get, or aptitude) remove and see what's listed. Don't approve the action.
43[00:21:50] <enowaldo> melpy: Or you can use dpkg-awk: dpkg-awk 'Depends:systemd' -- 'Package'
44[00:22:03] <enowaldo> melpy: lists all packages with dependencies on systemd.
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47[00:22:23] <enowaldo> melpy: I need to check to see if that's limited to _installed_ packages though.
48[00:22:59] <rant> EdePopede: because its a python library and thats how we name such things :P
49[00:23:22] <EdePopede> wikis count as libraries?
50[00:23:37] <rant> ,i python-moinmoin
51[00:23:38] <judd> Package python-moinmoin (python, optional) in stretch/amd64: Python clone of WikiWiki - library. Version: 1.9.9-1+deb9u1; Size: 7795.5k; Installed: 28038k; Homepage: replaced-url
52[00:24:25] <rant> ,depends python-moinmoin
53[00:24:26] <judd> Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~), python-werkzeug, python-pygments, python-parsedatetime, python-recaptcha, python-passlib.
54[00:24:38] <rant> without a webserver its not a wiki
55[00:24:43] <rant> it doesn't even depend on one
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57[00:24:55] <rant> ,suggests python-moinmoin
58[00:24:56] <judd> Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- suggests: python-flup, python-4suite-xml, python-xml, python-gdchart, python-docutils, python-pyxmpp, python-openid, python-tz, python-ldap, python-mysqldb, miscfiles | wordlist, antiword, catdoc, cifs-utils, poppler-utils | xpdf-utils, docbook-dsssl.
59[00:24:58] <EdePopede> "python-moinmoin - Python clone of WikiWiki - library" - mediawiki is a website engine, nurpawiki a Wiki, yaws-wiki a Wiki application, and there are some Wiki clones
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61[00:25:20] <rant> ,recommends python-moinmoin
62[00:25:21] <judd> Package python-moinmoin in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent, python-xapian, python-xappy, fckeditor, libapache2-mod-wsgi | httpd-cgi.
63[00:25:44] <EdePopede> there's didiwiki coming with its own webserver, the only one i remember atm
64[00:26:27] <rant> its a some assembly required library that can build a wiki :D
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66[00:26:51] <enowaldo> vimwiki can run w/o a webserver, FWIW.
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68[00:27:19] <EdePopede> like most of the others, so they should be seen as libs too, then. and then there are all the other tools doing stuff on the web. blogs. forums.
69[00:27:24] <rant> yeah I've seen editor wikis
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74[00:29:07] <EdePopede> ah right, personal wiki. the desktop solution. not to forget tiddlywiki ;)
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84[00:34:40] <enowaldo> How do I force Grub to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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93[00:37:08] <enowaldo> That used to be done via update-grub IIRC, but I don't find that on my system as of jessie
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96[00:38:35] <jmcnaught> it's still update-grub, maybe you're missing grub2-common package for some reason related to your non-Debian kernel?
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100[00:39:54] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Could be. I just did a jessie -> stretch upgrade a few days ago on a long-offline box. Thins appear to have not gone entirely smoothly.
101[00:39:57] <dvs> or not running it as root or without sudo
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104[00:40:51] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: sounds like maybe it wasn't a pure Debian system to begin with? Did you have third party repos in sources.list during the dist-upgrade?
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108[00:41:32] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Mozilla only. Some pinning across testing/unstable.
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113[00:42:14] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Looks as if grub-common is installed ,not grub2-common.
114[00:42:28] <enowaldo> ... or was. Sec.
115[00:43:12] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: oh mixing testing/unstable with stable/oldstable is probably your problem. Pinning is ridiculously difficult to get right
116[00:43:38] <annadane> and yet often recommended :/
117[00:43:40] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Yeah, it was the only real option at the time. I'm trying to clean up and use backports if at all possible now.
118[00:43:45] <annadane> i was just confused by the 4.6 kernel
119[00:43:57] <enowaldo> annadane: As am I.
120[00:44:07] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: just backup your data and reinstall from scratch, it'll be quicker than trying to figure this mess out
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122[00:44:20] <enowaldo> I'd also pinned systemd to priority -1 and yet _that_ seems to have installed.
123[00:44:24] <annadane> see? there *are* experts here :D
124[00:44:52] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: But this is so _educational_
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127[00:45:43] <enowaldo> OK, update-grub now exists. running.
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129[00:45:58] <jmcnaught> !frankendebian
130[00:45:58] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
131[00:46:05] <enowaldo> And I've screened my IRSSI session (another box) so it should persist through this next reboot....
132[00:46:19] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: It really shouldn't be that bad. Trust me.
133[00:46:30] <jmcnaught> good luck
134[00:46:33] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: :)
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136[00:46:46] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: I've been doing this for a few decades.
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139[00:47:40] <enowaldo> bbiam
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148[00:52:32] <enowaldo> Back
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150[00:52:45] <enowaldo> 4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
151[00:52:51] <enowaldo> But Xorg still fails...
152[00:53:21] <enowaldo> modeset(0): glGetString() returned NULL, your GL is broken
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165[01:02:47] <xparanoik> evening. trying to install Debian on an older 32bit machine (AMD K6-2) and when booting installer, it says this kernel version requires "cmov". I am aware of 32bit support requiring i686 instructions, so what would be the latest release that I could try installing instead?
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170[01:04:54] <xparanoik> would Jessie still work, or would it have to be the previous release?
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175[01:07:50] <jmcnaught> xparanoik: replaced-url
176[01:08:02] <jmcnaught> so jessie is the last one you can use
177[01:08:35] <xparanoik> thank you. I'm assuming if I do an inplace upgrade using apt then it will break the install?
178[01:09:18] <jmcnaught> yes
179[01:09:27] <xparanoik> okay, thanks :)
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181[01:09:53] <xparanoik> should have researched first, just wasted a good ol' CD-R :(
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238[01:54:44] <enowaldo> Xorg segfaults on startup. Full log: replaced-url
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244[01:59:52] <rant> xparanoik: I dont think in 2019 its possible to "waste" a CD-R
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246[02:00:07] <rant> it you use one for anything at all these days, its not wasted
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248[02:01:03] <xparanoik> true
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250[02:01:40] <xparanoik> didn't have patience to get USB boot to work on this old box, so figured I'd go back to the old ways. had forgotten how slow it was to install debian back in the day
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262[02:06:36] <rant> I recently used a cdr to open the door when someone locked it when I went out into the yard for a minute
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265[02:07:30] <rant> idk why there was a cdr on the porch, but it worked good to jimmy the door :P
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268[02:07:55] <xparanoik> haha, still good for something
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270[02:09:01] <xparanoik> i guess it adds to the nostalgic value of installing it on an amd k6-2, my first homelab server back in the woody/sarge days
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273[02:09:59] <rant> could weld that ol k6-2 to a frying pan and make a low-power induction cooker :D
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277[02:11:19] <xparanoik> i actually chated and burned the CD at 48x instead of 4x
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294[02:20:39] <altker128> Hey guys. Anyone using Debian Stretch w/Ryzen CPUs+integrated Radeon graphics? Just asking to see if that combination is supported and works reasonably for day to day "business" activities
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298[02:21:32] <soulisson> Hello
299[02:22:08] <soulisson> Does any one Know what /sbin/uinitrd does, please?
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302[02:23:52] <xparanoik> soulisson road RAM disk by the boot loader ?
303[02:23:58] <xparanoik> load*
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305[02:24:54] <soulisson> what's the difference with init?
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315[02:30:32] <Brisance> hello, I am installing debian on an old 2008 mac pro, dual xeons, question is, which kernel to pick
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317[02:31:01] <Brisance> 4.9.0.9-amd64, 4.9.0.9-rt-amd64 or the ones without version numbers?
318[02:31:29] <dvs> not the rt one (real time)
319[02:31:47] <Brisance> ah, ok
320[02:32:05] <Brisance> didnt find a definite answer of the difference on google, thus asking
321[02:32:43] <Brisance> can anyone point me to a resource I can read about the difference anyway? I will put the linux-image-amd64 then :)
322[02:32:51] <agio> it seems netstat is deprecated in debian - what are we supposed to use to print network connections?
323[02:33:16] <Unit193> `ss`?
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325[02:33:44] <dvs> Brisance, linux-image-amd64 is a virtual package for the latest kernel.
326[02:33:46] <annadane> i've tended to just select linux-image-amd64 in the expert install
327[02:34:12] <Brisance> dvs, ah, thank you
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329[02:34:43] <agio> ss - like "show sockets" :)
330[02:34:56] <agio> works :)
331[02:35:07] <Brisance> won't be really critical anyway, as long as it works, it's just a web dev server for me :) but I chose the non-rt one
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333[02:36:41] <xparanoik> run proxmox instead? based on debian, you can create VMs (kvm) and containers (lxc)
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340[02:39:04] <xparanoik> jeez, this k6-2 seems slower than my raspberry pi 3
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416[03:23:30] <annadane> what package do most people use to enable cron to send emails to the user?
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452[03:52:00] <jelly> !start a mta way
453[03:52:02] <jelly> !start a mta war
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460[03:55:53] <annadane> i guess what i'm asking is "what is the most lightweight where i can get general messages and i'm asking because i'm a total f!@#$ moron about this"
461[03:56:08] <annadane> can i just install exim4 and with no configuration have cron send me stuff?
462[03:56:27] <agris> Hello, How can I fully remove systemd from Debian 9? I've tried apt install openrc, reboot, apt purge systemd dbus
463[03:56:41] <agris> but I still see 1 systemd proccess running, systemd-udevd
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466[03:56:56] <agris> I can kill -9 it but every reboot it comes back
467[03:57:06] <annadane> you know, i'd be better off asking my internet search engine first *before* pissing off IRC land
468[03:57:15] <annadane> (not replying to you agris)
469[03:57:51] <agris> other than that, that is the only systemd and dbus related thing running
470[03:58:09] <agris> Do I even need a udev manager?
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474[03:58:42] <agris> the only hardware changes during runtime would be hotswaping hard disks
475[03:58:45] <xparanoik> annadane you can use sendmail with smart relay option and use your GMail account or some other SMTP server
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480[03:59:59] <jelly> annadane: for local delivery into /var/mail/username, try "dma". For remote delivery only, see perhaps msmtp-mta. No need to use full-fledged MTA like exim4 or sendmail unless you know exacrly why you need them
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484[04:01:43] <agris> annadane, If you do want to run your own SMTP server, use OpenSMTPd instead of exim or postfix. It's so much simpler to setup correctly
485[04:02:10] <agris> replaced-url
486[04:02:22] <xparanoik> you do get a lot of tutorials online on postfix/sendmail, if you like to follow those
487[04:02:38] <jelly> agris: there is no alternative for udev that I know of.
488[04:02:50] <agris> jelly, what about eudev?
489[04:02:58] <jelly> ,v eudev
490[04:02:58] <agris> Can I get eudev for Debian?
491[04:02:59] <judd> No package named 'eudev' was found in amd64.
492[04:03:25] <agris> replaced-url
493[04:03:25] <jelly> agris: what's wrong with udev?
494[04:03:39] <agris> jelly, It's pulling in systemd
495[04:03:46] <jelly> ,depends udev
496[04:03:47] <judd> Package udev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libblkid1 (>= 2.19.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), libkmod2 (>= 5~), libselinux1 (>= 2.1.9), adduser, libudev1 (= 232-25+deb9u11), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), util-linux (>= 2.27.1), procps,dpkg (>= 1.17.14).
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498[04:03:57] <agris> and I don't want to run systemd, I want to run sysv-init + OpenRC supervisory
499[04:03:59] <jelly> agris: does not look that way to me.
500[04:04:19] <jelly> ,recommends udev
501[04:04:20] <judd> Package udev in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: None.
502[04:04:20] <agris> jelly, in htop it says systemd-udevd is running
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505[04:04:29] <jelly> agris: that's just udev, not systemd.
506[04:04:39] <agris> so why is the file named systemd-udevd?
507[04:04:48] <dax> because udevd is a systemd daemon
508[04:05:12] <agris> ok, so can I remove it?
509[04:05:28] <dax> do you have any reason to do so other than "it has systemd in the name"
510[04:05:35] <agris> yes
511[04:05:35] <jelly> agris: which part of "no reasonable alternative" is not clear
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514[04:06:05] <agris> jelly, eudev is a reasonable alternative
515[04:06:14] <jelly> it's not in debian
516[04:06:22] <agris> I understand there is no package for it, but I could just compile and install it by hand
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518[04:07:25] <jelly> agris: do you have any technical reason to avoid udev?
519[04:07:53] <agris> It's part of systemd, and I have technical reasons to purge systemd from my servers
520[04:08:03] <dax> lmfao
521[04:08:39] <dax> it's a standalone daemon that was adopted by systemd. it doesn't depend on systemd, and it appears to have an /etc/init.d/ script so should work with other init daemons
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523[04:08:50] <jelly> agris: it's as much a "part" of systemd as it's a part of debian. It's a separate piece of software, managed in the same source version system.
524[04:09:23] <agris> but can I replace it with eudev?
525[04:09:47] <jelly> probably, but don't expect a lot of help from the distro side
526[04:10:12] <agris> replaced-url
527[04:10:39] <dax> fun fact: it's straightforward because it's basically the same code
528[04:11:02] <jelly> except there would be no packaging integration at all
529[04:11:12] <agris> So could I just apt purge udev; make ; make install on the eudev source
530[04:11:16] <dax> right, i meant straightforward on gentoo, was paraphrasing the wiki link
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532[04:11:59] <dax> god only knows whether it'd work on distros that don't package it, or why you'd go to all that bother to make your binaries be named differently
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534[04:13:40] <agris> it's a fork
535[04:13:46] <agris> it's not exactly the same code
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537[04:13:55] <dax> good thing i said "basically" and not "exactly" then
538[04:14:45] <dax> anyways, clearly this isn't a technical discussion, so peace
539[04:15:28] <jelly> agris: I do not consider having "systemd" in the name as a sound technical reason, sorry
540[04:16:17] <agris> that's ok. I didn't ask your opinion
541[04:16:18] <jelly> best of luck with your endeavours, and perhaps investigate what Devuan does with that particular component.
542[04:16:39] <agris> Devuan
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545[04:18:03] <dax> devuan does replaced-url
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547[04:18:19] <dax> i haven't used it (unlike eudev), so don't know much about it
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550[04:19:07] <jelly> they have a couple channels on freenode, #devuan being the main tech one, #debianfork the offtopic/social one
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554[04:21:31] <agris> thank you
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562[04:28:25] * jelly continues to use sysvinit with udev, which even in Debian 8 came from Source: systemd, but did not have the evil part visible in the executable name yet
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575[04:33:58] <Epakai> doing a multi-gpu setup with radeon and amdgpu cards. It seems on every xorg start I have to do 'xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0' to enable the second card. is there some xorg config to specify this?
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614[05:22:37] <r00tobo> hi
615[05:22:49] <r00tobo> anyone here uses the new 9th gen Intel CPU ?
616[05:23:05] <dvs> !ask
617[05:23:05] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
618[05:23:14] <r00tobo> if yes, is it supported in the Linux kernel 4.19 ?
619[05:24:03] <r00tobo> dvs: thanks, I don't have a problem yet, I'm just asking if the kernel 4.19 is supporting the 9th gen processors. because I've ordered an i5 9400 CPU
620[05:24:15] <r00tobo> also with the graphics driver as well
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641[05:54:00] <Brisance> hello again, is there any way to install on software raid 0? been messing around with that for hours, if fails installing grub
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644[05:55:03] <Brisance> want to use 2 old 80GB drives, but in RAID0, and I am pretty confused after hours of messing with it
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646[05:57:46] <r00tobo> Brisance: the built-in motherboard soft raid ?
647[05:57:58] <r00tobo> I've had a lot of trouble with that in some installers too
648[05:58:57] <Brisance> r00tobo, well since it is a mac, I am installing it on, I have no access to bios, but I am trying to configure it from the debian installer
649[05:59:18] <r00tobo> ah I see
650[05:59:25] <Brisance> currently doing sanity check and installing on a single one, to see, if thats a problem
651[05:59:30] <r00tobo> I didn't try that
652[05:59:40] <r00tobo> at least on a mac
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654[06:00:00] <Brisance> well theres loads of variables, it has a 32 bit efi, but 64 bit cpus, etc
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656[06:01:09] <Brisance> mac pro 1,1 - got it for free back in the day, got debian64 as well as win10 64 working on it fine on an SSD, which lives elsewhere now
657[06:01:33] <Brisance> now picked up the project and trying to convert it into a web dev server for me
658[06:01:49] <Brisance> but have been messing with it whole night :(
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661[06:04:32] <Brisance> hmm didnt work on a single disk as well
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668[06:14:28] <agris> Does Debian support Ed25519
669[06:14:30] <agris> Does Debian support Ed25519?
670[06:14:40] <agris> or is the openssl library too old?
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672[06:15:24] <Unit193> Buster will.
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676[06:18:34] <madage> buster does
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678[06:21:22] <agris> but not stable
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682[06:24:16] <madage> what is debian?
683[06:24:39] <agris> cheese
684[06:24:50] <agris> extra sharp
685[06:25:11] <madage> ;)
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725[06:58:18] <Nematocyst> I'm trying to use reportbug, but it crashes on me with the following after entering the version (390.116-1): replaced-url
726[06:59:32] <annadane> time to file a bug on reportb... wait...
727[06:59:41] <Nematocyst> yeah. heh
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767[07:45:52] <Nematocyst> got a template from reportbug without crashing, and edited it to a big text file. this may sound stupid, but how to send it via a thunderbird account so that all the headers match the generated file's headers?
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776[07:50:39] <Nematocyst> there's things like Content-Type, MIME-Version, X-Debbugs-Cc... no idea how to enter those into thunderbird
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792[08:03:37] <Lvl4Sword> Using fail2ban 0.10.2 from Debian's stretch-backports, I can't seem to ban ipv6
793[08:03:43] <Lvl4Sword> getting WARNING Determined IP using DNS Lookup: 2 = ['0.0.0.2']
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820[08:25:55] <rwp> Lvl4Sword, You are in #debian so can I assume you are running Debian Stable? If so then that is version 0.9.6. But IPv6 support arrived in version 0.10. So you will need Buster Testing or later to get IPv6 support.
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822[08:26:36] <Lvl4Sword> rwp, I'm running stable, yes. I also installed fail2ban from stretch-backports like I said. That version is 0.10.2.
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824[08:26:53] <rwp> Oh! I was "this" close then. Sorry.
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828[08:30:41] <Synaptic> how is that possible that when i run a vieo using vlc... everything is good and then after a while go out of sync audio/video....
829[08:30:59] <Synaptic> and same video opened still with vpc... for example on win... on the same pc, working good all time
830[08:31:22] <Synaptic> vlc*
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846[08:46:19] <boycottg00gle> salsa.debian.org ED25519 key fingerprint is ?
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849[08:47:15] <Lvl4Sword> rwp, Was able to fix my problem. Thanks for the help though!
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858[08:52:17] <Unit193> boycottg00gle: Perhaps replaced-url
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860[08:53:32] <boycottg00gle> Unit193: thanks - will read (just also found: replaced-url
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862[08:55:01] <rwp> Lvl4Sword, What was the problem? How did you fix it?
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868[09:07:32] <boycottg00gle> salsa.debian.org ED25519 key fingerprint is SHA256:OAD3pGSwcODIthxF+zIRvPTZ8UCJAYI75E42XDfGr84
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876[09:16:30] <a-l-e---> hi, on my laptop i'm managing my internet wifi connections by adding entries to /etc/network/interfaces and then running "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
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878[09:17:00] <a-l-e---> this normally works perfectly (and fast)... but i have issues with getting a connections from some routers...
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888[09:21:14] <a-l-e---> today i have such an issue.
889[09:21:52] <a-l-e---> and i cannot even get the connection from usb tethering from an android device that can use the same wifi connection.
890[09:21:59] <a-l-e---> any hint at what i can have a look at?
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1006[10:36:08] <donny> hi i'm trying to update my aptitude on a older debian wheezy box, I've got about 1000+ packages in apt to update but I am getting the following error: dpkg-deb: error: archive '/var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.28-10_all.deb' contains not understood data member control.tar.xz, giving up
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1010[10:36:31] <donny> how can I fix this issue, as currently my box is stuck at this dpkg issue and I cannot install anything
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1016[10:37:27] <donny> here's a verbose output from apt - replaced-url
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1018[10:37:38] <donny> thanks in advance!
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1021[10:38:41] <Mystified> just reading "Microsoft readies its own Linux for Windows" Aka WSL
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1023[10:39:47] <Mystified> what implications does this have with future vulnarabilities with respect to possible attacks like spyware
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1025[10:40:12] <Mystified> via the windows subsytem linux kernel
1026[10:40:29] <Mystified> into native run linux
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1041[10:47:05] <jelly> Mystified: approximately the same as any other vm/container host which ash full access to vm guest/container. Use a host OS you trust.
1042[10:47:31] <EdePopede> i don't think the number of users will increase dramatically with WSL. there's dual boot, there's live. for years. you never needed a CS degree to use it.
1043[10:47:55] <jelly> yep, undergrads could use it
1044[10:48:11] <EdePopede> what would be a difference to a VM?
1045[10:48:42] <Mystified> true..
1046[10:48:44] <EdePopede> especially in schooling i'd prefer them. defined start situation, native, start with a click
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1057[10:58:20] <alioui_> hi all
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1059[10:58:42] <alioui_> i am followin this blog to build deb package
1060[10:58:44] <alioui_> replaced-url
1061[10:59:11] <alioui_> it use install file to add files to package
1062[10:59:37] <alioui_> how can i let make install do that for me
1063[10:59:39] <alioui_> ?
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1065[11:00:06] <alioui_> i have source in src dirctory
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1073[11:01:22] <Valjan> Anyone know how I would see which drive had another OS installed during the Debian installer, trying to dual boot w/ 2 seperate drives.
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1123[11:27:29] <vlt> Valjan: `blkid` yould help.
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1160[11:55:23] <AnononA> i need to run a script as soon as ive made connection to vpn tun0
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1165[11:56:33] <AnononA> etc/network/if-up.d is this the route to go by
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1167[11:58:05] <AnononA> does Debian have an option somewhere to run a script when connection is active or will i have to place script in certain folder
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1207[12:11:08] <kardborren> I'm running the cli tool pdfunite, both from a terminal and from a php exec command. Getting slightly different results, what can be the cause of that? (Terminal results are correct, exec slightly wrong.) I've verified that both run same binary, and that printenv from both don't have any major diffs (as far as I can tell).
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1251[12:41:14] <Valjan> Anyone know how I would see which drive had another OS installed during the Debian installer? trying to dual boot w/ 2 seperate drives.
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1319[13:02:24] <humpled> Valjan the installer should show you the disks at the partioning stage, replaced-url
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1323[13:02:54] <humpled> you should already know the sizes, filesystems and hopefully UUIDs or labels of your disks
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1325[13:03:31] <humpled> at any time during the installation, you can press ctrl-alt-f2 to use a shell
1326[13:04:56] <humpled> commands like blkid, lsblk and fdisk -l will show you information about your disks, you can use mount to temporarily look at the contents
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1336[13:07:47] <Valjan> humpled Thanks that helps alot. They are both the same size which makes it a bit harder and both appear to have the same labels but ctrl-alt-f2 for shell will probably allow me to actually see which one is empty.
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1381[13:40:19] <Twoll> Hi, is there someone here used to work with macsec interfaces?
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1408[13:51:15] <dooteo> Hi all,
1409[13:51:21] <dooteo> My computer has internal 3 USB sound cards (located at rear panel, with DB9 connectors), and another PCI in front panel.
1410[13:51:27] <dooteo> Once Debian installation is done, PCI an one of USB sound cards works fine. But other 2 USB cards did not sound.
1411[13:51:32] <dooteo> Alsamixer volumes for all cards are high/loud.
1412[13:51:37] <dooteo> Even computer ir rebooted, 2 USB cards keeps not working.
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1415[13:51:42] <dooteo> But if I switch OFF trhe computer, and switch back ON it, all cards works flawlessly.
1416[13:51:47] <dooteo> Does anybody know which command must I run to activate/power on all USB cards after Debian install to not switch off/on the computer?
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1463[14:16:57] <karlpinc> dooteo: Look in dmesg output and the logs for clues as to the problem. It would not hurt to put relevant parts in a paste site for us to see.
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1472[14:22:31] <dooteo> karlpinc: check this link: replaced-url
1473[14:22:33] <Terrell> am I on #debian now?
1474[14:22:46] <jelly> Terrell: yes you are
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1477[14:23:24] <Terrell> great. I am using this stupid winders system and will be setting up the real servers shortly.
1478[14:23:39] <dooteo> karlpinc: USB Sound cards are "C-Media Electronics Inc."
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1490[14:30:49] <Terrell> jelly. Here is where I'm going. Twin towers... like in Kuala Lumpur. Then winders 7 & 10 both 32 and 64. Debian on both and I would like VMware or Virtual Box or both. Both 7 & 10 64 on those two boxen. My lord I feel like Rumple Still skin and I only stopped developing software for about 10 years. My lord how things have changed. I got 2 little laptops and I've got Debian already running on them on a USB stick. Unfortunately they are USB 2 so kinda
1491[14:30:49] <Terrell> slow. But only at boot. There is still enough ram and 2GB that once running its good! and these are $50 machines. Next step... I am buying a Samsung S6 with 64 GB storage and I want to leave the Linux OS as is (won't be Debian) and either ROOT it and install GNU tools not for fun.. I am putting in the equivalent of a web server and then either a database like MySQL or for my app I'll likely write my own because I'll need speed. Any suggestions on what I
1492[14:30:50] <Terrell> face? Issue is I will call Samsung later and buy an open system and if not just keep rooting what they sell.
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1504[14:36:31] <dooteo> karlpinc: gotta go. Next monday I gonna come back to this IRC. Enjoy the weekend!!
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1507[14:37:32] <Terrell> Has anyone rooted a smart phone and either installed Debian or just an app running in the base os?
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1556[15:09:28] <Terrell> Has anyone rooted a smart phone and either installed Debian or just an app running in the base os?
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1570[15:20:07] <Terrell> Has anyone rooted a smart phone and either installed Debian or just an app running in the base os?
1571[15:20:46] <greycat> !repeat
1572[15:20:46] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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1577[15:23:13] <Terrell> Greycat I see so many disconnects it looks to me like a channel split
1578[15:23:51] <STMelon> no, no netsplit
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1580[15:24:20] <Terrell> STMelon, thanks... right.
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1585[15:25:31] <Terrell> Am I in the right channel to ask such a question? any suggestions where to ask?
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1587[15:26:00] <STMelon> dunno, i lurk here lol offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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1589[15:26:26] <Terrell> Its been a few years since I was really active here
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1591[15:26:48] <Bjornn> it's just a high volume channel. completely normal
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1594[15:27:03] <Terrell> Oh okay
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1597[15:27:44] <Bjornn> I have that type of notification turned off. you might consider that as an option.
1598[15:27:55] <Terrell> Well I'm just in the early stages of installing operating systems. Last time I did this was 1998
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1601[15:28:31] <Terrell> Bjornn, I am not too conserned at this time. But I do want to be a good citizen
1602[15:28:40] <Bjornn> cool.
1603[15:29:51] <Terrell> Bjornn, I need to get twin towers re installed . I don't want to use winders but I might have to. So I need them running. Most of my work has been Linux since 1998
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1605[15:30:48] <STMelon> freeBSD :P
1606[15:31:21] <STMelon> i prefer unix for my servers, and linux for my laptop
1607[15:31:33] <STMelon> -,
1608[15:31:34] <Terrell> Bjornn, what I'm doing is setting up bee hive manufacturing and to to this I need to set up robotics and I may have to do some significant programming to generate Gcode
1609[15:31:55] <Terrell> I use OpenBSD on the servers. They are actually heaqautered here
1610[15:32:03] <STMelon> nice
1611[15:32:10] <Bjornn> very interesting work
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1614[15:32:22] <Terrell> I wont really be using laptops much. But I have 4.
1615[15:32:50] <Terrell> Wen you are retired you need to do something other than watch TV and drink beer
1616[15:33:05] <Terrell> Laptops can't handle the equipmetn I have
1617[15:33:18] <Terrell> I run a lot of SCSI stuff
1618[15:33:32] <STMelon> my laptop is general use, my servers take the workload
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1620[15:33:46] <Bjornn> join me in #debian-offtopic terrell
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1622[15:33:56] <Terrell> STMelon, what do your servers do?
1623[15:34:11] <STMelon> file sharing, web hosting, ircd
1624[15:34:14] <Terrell> Sure. Let me find the join comand
1625[15:34:28] <STMelon> ----------> /j #debian-offtopic
1626[15:34:35] <Terrell> ?join #debian-offtopic
1627[15:34:42] <STMelon> or just click
1628[15:34:45] <STMelon> on the room
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1634[15:37:45] <Terrell> Bjornn, Iwas in offtopicc and I'm getting cannot send to channel.. are you seeing anything
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1637[15:39:12] <Bjornn> oh I see.
1638[15:39:13] <greycat> you probably need to be identified via nicksev
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1640[15:39:24] <STMelon> Terrell, you need to register your nick to talk there
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1642[15:39:36] <Terrell> I see it. I'm am not registered in offtopic
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1644[15:39:41] <STMelon> identify
1645[15:39:47] <greycat> registering is network-wide, not per channel
1646[15:39:49] <STMelon> ] -NickServ- Information on Terrell (account Terrell):
1647[15:39:57] <STMelon> ----------> /ns identify yourpass
1648[15:40:16] <Bjornn> there you go. that' shorthand version is awesome.
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1650[15:40:45] <Terrell> wow. Nice. I have my neame registered. I would not be able to talk here is this was not so
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1652[15:41:06] <STMelon> some rooms require you to be identified to type
1653[15:41:07] <greycat> #debian is one of the few large channels that *doesn't* require registration to talk
1654[15:41:08] <Terrell> I wrote that down. over a month ago
1655[15:41:16] <Terrell> Ah!
1656[15:41:34] <greycat> and when spam bots are attacking, that may change
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1658[15:41:44] <Terrell> there we go
1659[15:41:50] <greycat> yes, better :)
1660[15:41:57] <Terrell> thanx
1661[15:41:59] <STMelon> spambots are easy, +R the room
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1698[16:00:10] <milkt> how can i check whether my /tmp is located on RAM or on HDD/SSD? and what is the best way to switch /tmp to be on RAM or HDD/SSD? (i'm running debian 9.9 stable)
1699[16:00:24] <greycat> df /tmp
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1704[16:01:59] <milkt> this is my df /tmp output, does this means /tmp is located on HDD/SSD?
1705[16:02:03] <milkt> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
1706[16:02:04] <milkt> /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt 6661296 6078312 224892 97% /
1707[16:02:37] <greycat> Yes, it's just a plain directory inside your root file system, which is on sda2_crypt which I'm guessing is an encrypted thingy on top of /dev/sda2.
1708[16:02:50] <milkt> have configured luks on /dev/sda2 yes
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1713[16:03:36] <greycat> if it were a tmpfs mounted at /tmp then you would've seen something closer to what you get from "df /run/lock"
1714[16:04:23] <milkt> i have found the way to move /tmp to on RAM, by modifying /etc/fstab or modifying /etc/default/tmpfs, which method should i choose?
1715[16:04:57] <greycat> the big warning at the top of /etc/default/tmpfs says it's ignored under systemd
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1718[16:06:11] <milkt> actually i don't have /etc/default/tmpfs file
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1721[16:06:43] <greycat> the warning is also repeated in the tmpfs(5) man page
1722[16:06:55] <greycat> so, I'm thinking that's not the way you should choose
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1724[16:08:50] <milkt> got it, thanks, i'll try with /etc/fstab
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1728[16:13:00] <milkt> i don't have tmpfs manual either somehow
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1731[16:13:44] <greycat> mine's in the "initscripts" package
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1733[16:14:30] <greycat> which according to "aptitude why initscripts" is included because of a dependency from console-setup
1734[16:15:16] <milkt> i see
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1899[17:26:27] <enowaldo> I'm trying to sort a segfault-on-startup issue, seems to be a glamor_egl or similar issue.
1900[17:26:30] <enowaldo> Xorg.0.log replaced-url
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1902[17:27:04] <enowaldo> There are some related Debian bugs from ... a while back, trying to see if I can find those again...
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1906[17:29:34] <enowaldo> #767356 from 2014, different HW, similar symptoms. Also #777457
1907[17:29:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1909[17:30:53] <enowaldo> I've tracked the error message to source code but can't see what specifically might cause/fix/work-around the issue
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1933[17:44:53] <enowaldo> Seems to be in xserver-xorg-core
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1936[17:45:33] <enowaldo> Hrm ... is wayland a viable alternative to xorg yet?
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1942[17:51:02] <annadane> it... depends, like i don't think nvidia really supports it and i'm not sure if redshift (a must for me) works with it
1943[17:51:15] <enowaldo> So, a thought would be to disable glamor itself, if I can sort out how to do that.
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1945[17:51:51] <enowaldo> annadane: This is an Intel chipset. 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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1947[17:52:23] <enowaldo> annadane: Though I think I can try other approaches. Same problem since yesterday, BTW.
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1950[17:54:51] <enowaldo> And glamor doesn't seem to have any kernel modules associated, good.
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1961[17:57:09] <enowaldo> is irc.debian.org more active than freenode?
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1970[17:59:39] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: yesterday you somehow didn't have grub2-common installed after upgrading from jessie→stretch, and mentioned that you did the upgrade with pinned entries from testing and unstable… you've got a frankendebian
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1974[18:01:22] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: And as I said, no, really, not: replaced-url
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1977[18:01:51] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Some stuff didn't come through in the update. Nothing updates shouldn't be able to address.
1978[18:02:51] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: If you don't care to assist, that's fine.
1979[18:03:28] <pie3> have you implemented/dive into any networking protcol project? i would like to know details, flow chart, how communication ahppens, messaging format etc...?
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1983[18:04:24] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: I'm bringing up context that you're neglecting to mention. Also worth noting that the correct way of replacing systemd is not to remove the package (or pin it so it won't install). You can install sysvinit-core to get sysvinit as init, but the systemd package is still needed for logind which is needed for desktops
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1985[18:05:50] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: FWIW, systemd is presently installed and running as init.
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1987[18:06:06] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: I'm also correcting your misapprehensions. Trying to get /etc/apt/sources posted....
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1989[18:06:20] <enowaldo> p.d.n is not cooperating.
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1993[18:07:50] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: Point being there's not much here that seems anything other than 1) Xorg issues and 2) some missed packages in a pretty large in-place update.
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1996[18:09:34] * annadane wonders if apt install --reinstall systemd would work, and pull in requisite dependencies it may not have due to it previously being pinned as negative priority
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2000[18:10:02] <enowaldo> /etc/apt/sources listing: replaced-url
2001[18:10:32] <enowaldo> Of FFS. CAPTCHA on console browser.
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2003[18:10:57] <annadane> alternatively, use aptitude to untangle the potential mess you have from said frankendebian
2004[18:10:57] <enowaldo> Well: only changes were s/jessie/stretch/g
2005[18:11:26] <enowaldo> annadane: Been doing that. The Xorg issue does not appear to be package-related AFAICT, though I welcome any information otherwise.
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2014[18:14:30] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: you only need netcat for replaced-url
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2019[18:15:58] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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2023[18:16:36] <enowaldo> Any way to query my package list(s) to see what's installed from which repos?
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2025[18:17:44] <ksk> enowaldo: apt-cache policy $package.
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2028[18:18:07] <ksk> no Idea if this is possible for all packages (without building a small loop of course..)
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2037[18:20:27] <enowaldo> ksk: Looks like no args after "policy" lists everything. Otherwise, a simple loop is easy.
2038[18:20:42] <jmcnaught> enowaldo: look you've got stretch, testing, unstable *and* experimental repos all in your sources.list, and in your pinning paste you had testing at higher priority than stable. You've got a mess on your hands, the quickest way to solve this is to do a fresh reinstall, and maybe consult replaced-url
2039[18:21:24] * enowaldo ignores.
2040[18:21:33] <enowaldo> Recommend doing likewise.
2041[18:21:45] <ksk> !frankendebian
2042[18:21:45] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
2043[18:21:46] <ksk> ouch.
2044[18:21:52] <annadane> ugh, FFS. i installed i3 and now its notification messages are taken precedence over xfce's while in xfce
2045[18:21:55] <annadane> how to fix?
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2047[18:22:12] <annadane> by notification messages i mean it uses i3's style thing
2048[18:22:18] <enowaldo> ksk: That's what I'm trying to suss out. If I've got a bunch of different release-level packages, I can fix that.
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2051[18:23:42] <enowaldo> ksk: Simple shell loop: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" {print $1}' | while read pkg; do apt-cache policy $pkg; done
2052[18:23:51] <enowaldo> ksk: ... though that wants to be less verbose.
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2089[18:40:19] <Tenkawa> I've got this posted in ##kernel too.. after going to 5.1 I'm getting major ACPI spam in dmes with this and cant seem to track it down.. anyone else seen it?
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2091[18:40:35] <Tenkawa> 128.695294] ACPI Debug: "_Q8D : Nvidia/AMD Dx mode"
2092[18:41:00] <Tenkawa> google seems tp be useless too
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2095[18:41:20] <annadane> not sure you have a *problem*, if that's what you're asking
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2097[18:41:29] <Tenkawa> I agree
2098[18:41:30] <annadane> ACPI messages are sort of notoriously verbose
2099[18:42:14] <Tenkawa> I still dont like verbose subsystem messages that I dont know the source of that I cant turn off
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2105[18:45:22] <Tenkawa> I since I have an nvidia card in here I am working with more constraints.
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2107[18:45:46] <Tenkawa> (using the non-free drivers)
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2114[18:48:46] <Terrell> Has anyone rooted a smart phone and either installed Debian or just an app running in the base os?
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2117[18:49:26] <jhutchins_wk> Terrell: Yes, someone has.
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2124[18:50:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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2127[18:51:05] <Terrell> jhutchins_wk, I need to do this. Where do I look to find out how.
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2130[18:51:21] <annadane> in future, ask your real question
2131[18:51:24] <annadane> not "has anyone..."
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2135[18:52:11] <Terrell> I can talk to the OpenBSD guys and they are in town and I know THeo. But I want to do Debian not OpenBSD
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2139[18:52:41] <annadane> i mean, i know zero about this but i'd start with the architecture and see if debian supports it
2140[18:52:58] <annadane> debian does support a bunch of stuff other than stock amd64
2141[18:53:20] <Terrell> annadane, Yes - good point - I'm installing Debian in my desk top servers but on the cell it will be native
2142[18:53:23] <greycat> perhaps the #debian-arm channel on OFTC
2143[18:53:41] <annadane> isn't it ARM? yeah
2144[18:53:45] <annadane> debian certainly supports ARM
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2146[18:53:57] <Terrell> greycat, I have to check the cpu and I know it is not an arm
2147[18:54:01] <greycat> All I know about ARM is that there's more than one kind of it.
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2149[18:54:28] <Terrell> greycat, in the S55 and S6 samsung used their own CPU
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2151[18:54:41] <Terrell> my 55 key sticks
2152[18:55:09] <annadane> replaced-url
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2154[18:55:26] <Terrell> Cheap keyboard. Only cost like over $100. the one I really like cost more than a cell phone but this was in 1986
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2156[18:55:36] <annadane> no idea about buster, which is pretty soon
2157[18:55:43] <Terrell> annadane, its not an ARM processor
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2159[18:56:04] <annadane> well, okay, so do the research
2160[18:56:09] <greycat> this just gets better and better by the hour
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2162[18:56:16] <annadane> debian has officially supported hardware and then there's some unofficial ports
2163[18:56:18] <Terrell> annadane, I am just starting this.
2164[18:56:40] <greycat> "I'm going to repeat VERBATIM the SAME question 4 times for a whole morning" "No, you're wrong in your guesses. I have additional info. I won't say what it is, of course."
2165[18:57:16] <Terrell> I'm not interested in changing the version that Samsung uses because I want to add in a very sophisticaed app and keep everything else as is
2166[18:57:20] <annadane> see also replaced-url
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2168[18:58:00] <Terrell> greycat, people come and go. I did not even know you were talking to me. I'll just drop it for now
2169[18:58:18] <greycat> !smart questions
2170[18:58:18] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
2171[18:58:29] <greycat> !anyone
2172[18:58:29] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2175[18:59:30] <Terrell> CAn anyone refer me to a person who has actually rooted a cell phone and written some software for it at the nuts adn bolts level
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2177[18:59:45] <greycat> #debian-arm
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2179[18:59:47] <greycat> #android
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2184[19:00:23] <annadane> figuring out the architecture should be relatiely simple - ask the manufacturer, google your model, etc - then you can ask around about how well debian supports it
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2186[19:00:27] <annadane> that's basically what it comes down to
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2188[19:00:31] <annadane> even if this isn't ARM
2189[19:00:31] <Terrell> Okay. Thanks. That is a good answer. I thought perhaps you were refering specifcally to that particular CPU
2190[19:01:18] <Terrell> I'm calliong Samsung. Thanks. Very good ansewr
2191[19:01:30] <jelly> Terrell: are you asking for a dev who figured out a workable root exploit, or just some people who used it? #lineageos is full of people with unlocked phones and their firmware of choice allows root access
2192[19:01:31] <Terrell> BFN
2193[19:01:56] <Terrell> Jelly. Perfect.
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2203[19:06:22] <greycat> dpkg, repeating is also <replaced-url
2204[19:06:24] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2211[19:10:02] <annadane> ooh, i like that page
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2225[19:16:31] <wr> any software for control mouse movement on debian?
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2228[19:16:57] <dvs> gpm?
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2231[19:18:21] <annadane> xdotool?
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2240[19:23:01] <rant> does anyone have any idea why when I was using an RSA key, and I ssh from mate-terminal I got a graphical dialog that seemed to remember my key password for the session, and when I switched to an EC key it doesnt do that?
2241[19:23:26] <rant> I just can't imagine how the type of key used changed this behavior
2242[19:23:28] <jelly> in the same terminal?
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2245[19:23:37] <rant> yeah. same terminal
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2247[19:23:56] <jelly> is SSH_AGENT variable (still) set for the latter?
2248[19:24:07] <greycat> caching of ssh key passphrases is done by an agent (ssh-agent or gnome's bastardized version)
2249[19:24:31] <jelly> make that SSH_AGENT_PID
2250[19:24:41] <jelly> why is it bastardized?
2251[19:24:46] <greycat> seems possible that your rsa key is in the agent but your ecdsa or whatever key is not
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2253[19:25:01] <rant> jelly: no, I have SSH_AUTH_LOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID in env
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2255[19:25:06] <rant> ah..
2256[19:25:38] <rant> that is possible I suppose but afaik I never did anything to put my old key in there.. I used ssh-keygen in the terminal in both cases
2257[19:26:15] <wr> dvs, will the gpm be better than this replaced-url
2258[19:26:58] <annadane> "better" meaning?
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2260[19:27:23] <dvs> wr: track your cursor by moving your head? not even close.
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2264[19:28:22] <wr> dvs, wanna control my mouse without hands on debian
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2267[19:28:37] <wr> any way
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2269[19:28:50] <dvs> wr, shoulda mentioned that when asking for "mouse software"
2270[19:28:57] <rant> yes well as annadane suggested, xdotool can do it in X
2271[19:29:14] <wr> dvs, yeah maybe i was not so accurate
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2273[19:29:33] <rant> I used xdotool and and yad/zenity to make my father a custom auto scrolling utility
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2275[19:29:49] <rant> cause he claimed the built in auto scroll was too fast and touchy :P
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2277[19:30:28] <rant> ,v yad
2278[19:30:29] <judd> Package: yad on amd64 -- stretch: 0.38.2-1; buster: 0.40.0-1; sid: 0.40.0-1
2279[19:30:31] <wr> rant, but i don't want to use keyboard too
2280[19:30:44] <rant> hmm.. yad IS in debian
2281[19:31:08] <rant> wr: you don;t have to.. you just have to script somethig around xdotool like I did
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2286[19:33:09] <wr> rant, what does the control of the mouse on the xdotool? script and?
2287[19:34:00] <rant> wr: you obviously have nfc what you're doing.. and you haven't stated near as I can tell what you're trying to achieve
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2289[19:34:36] <wr> rant, want to move the mouse with hands, that's it
2290[19:34:46] <wr> *without
2291[19:34:58] <rant> thats what xdotool does
2292[19:35:07] <rant> or just use your feet to move the mouse
2293[19:35:16] <rant> we're not gonna keep guessing wtf that means
2294[19:35:20] <wr> rant, basically this replaced-url
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2297[19:36:00] <rant> so you want to control the mouse with a camera
2298[19:36:02] <annadane> enowaldo, incidentally replaced-url
2299[19:36:32] <wr> rant, i get that the xdotool does it, but what i asked is exactly how technically
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2303[19:36:51] <rant> xdotool is just a command that does what you tell it to
2304[19:36:52] <milkt> read xdotool manual
2305[19:37:16] <rant> saying "I want to move the mouse without hands" is HIGHLY ambiguous.. do you want to use your feet, or what?
2306[19:37:18] <wr> rant, camera is one option, it can be a sensor, anything thatworks over debian
2307[19:37:26] <rant> if you want to use your camera just f'n say that
2308[19:38:13] <wr> rant, i disagree, i said any way, move the mouse without hands is very precise
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2311[19:38:27] <mzajc> I'm trying to install lvm2, but it fails to configure. I get that whenever I try to configure it using dpkg: replaced-url
2312[19:38:29] <greycat> It is NOT precise. It is the exact OPPOSITE of precision.
2313[19:38:41] <greycat> "I want a pen that is not blue." Then what color DO you want?
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2315[19:39:43] <altker128> Hey guys. Anyone using Debian Stretch w/Ryzen CPUs+integrated Radeon graphics? Any surprises, or everything work as should?
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2317[19:40:47] <wr> rant, i wrote any way
2318[19:41:12] <greycat> Any solution at all will suffice? OK, then use your feet as suggested.
2319[19:41:15] <wr> without hands
2320[19:41:22] <greycat> Feet. Problem solved.
2321[19:41:23] <ksk> lol
2322[19:41:25] <rant> and you were answered, xodool and use your fee
2323[19:41:33] <jelly> ,v lvm2
2324[19:41:34] <judd> Package: lvm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02.111-2.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02.168-2; buster: 2.03.02-2; sid: 2.03.02-2
2325[19:41:44] <annadane> apt install telekinetic-move-mouse-with-brain
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2327[19:41:50] <jelly> mzajc: which debian release is that?
2328[19:41:51] <wr> rant, yes, but not how it works, manual right
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2330[19:42:07] <mzajc> jelly: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid \n \l
2331[19:42:07] <greycat> wr: what are you trying to do?
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2333[19:42:18] <jelly> mzajc: did you install buster or sid?
2334[19:42:25] <mzajc> buster
2335[19:42:33] <enowaldo> OK, for anyone following the frankenbox issue, here's the breakdown of sources: replaced-url
2336[19:42:34] <mzajc> but I have the sid repo for some packages
2337[19:42:41] <wr> greycat, just move mouse no hands, mouse kills my slow wrists
2338[19:42:49] <mzajc> and yes, I have configured apt.conf to point at buster
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2340[19:43:00] <RoyK> [slightlyofftopc] replaced-url
2341[19:43:10] <enowaldo> annadane: thanks
2342[19:43:11] <wr> greycat, and then gonna code with voice too
2343[19:43:21] <greycat> So your goal is to avoid repetitive strain injury? Maybe look for ergonomic solutions. I don't know enough about that field of study but you can start your searches.
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2345[19:43:44] <enowaldo> annadane: That's not responding for me, FYI.
2346[19:43:47] <phazon> wr: try hacking on pygaze; they've libinput/mouse support: replaced-url
2347[19:43:48] <jelly> mzajc: unmask lvm2-lvmpolld.socket unit, /usr/lib/systemd/system/lvm2-lvmpolld.service seems to require it
2348[19:43:50] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Besides Konsole and Gnome Terminal, do we know of any other terminal emulators that support overline attributes?
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2352[19:44:18] <greycat> replaced-url
2353[19:44:21] <greycat> possible starting point
2354[19:44:24] <mzajc> jelly: how do I do that?
2355[19:44:39] <mzajc> systemctl unmask?
2356[19:44:52] <jelly> mzajc: probably
2357[19:45:20] <jelly> I have no idea what any of those services is used for.
2358[19:45:40] <mzajc> jelly: great, that did it
2359[19:45:42] <mzajc> thanks!
2360[19:45:54] <jelly> mzajc: unrelated, I'd strongly advise to avoid having any sid repos configured if you plan this installation to be on buster.
2361[19:46:13] <phazon> rbanffy: you mean the text/markup overline; like this: X̅x̅ ??
2362[19:46:17] <mzajc> firefox has their non-esr packge on sid only
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2364[19:46:44] <jelly> mzajc: use firefox release tarball from mozilla instead.
2365[19:46:45] <mzajc> Also, while we're on the topic, anyone knows what this is and how can it safely be resolved: replaced-url
2366[19:46:48] <wr> dvs, rant, greycat the most logical thing would be to use some software on debian that tracks the movement of the eyes and then the mouse moves
2367[19:47:05] <greycat> software cannot track your eyes. you need hardware for that.
2368[19:47:09] <rbanffy> phazon, not the Unicode glyphs, the ECMA-48, ESC[53m terminal attribute
2369[19:47:25] <jelly> mzajc: when buster becomes stable this sort of setup will gt broken quickly
2370[19:47:40] <mzajc> I know, I know
2371[19:47:58] <wr> greycat, yes, i agree, but will i need not software too?
2372[19:48:09] <jelly> if you want to run sid stuff,
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2374[19:48:13] <jelly> !debian-next
2375[19:48:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2376[19:48:29] <rbanffy> phazon, you can check with `python3 -c 'print("\nThe \033[53mtest\033[55m is done")'`
2377[19:48:39] <enowaldo> So, if you want to get a breakdown of your Debian packages by release, you can use apt-cache policy, and some parsing.
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2379[19:48:45] <wr> greycat, i seen this one sudo apt-get install eviacam
2380[19:48:55] <greycat> then try it and see what happens
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2383[19:49:07] <mzajc> Anyone knows how to solve the issue on [19:46]
2384[19:49:08] <rant> ,i eviacam
2385[19:49:09] <judd> Package eviacam (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: camera based mouse emulator. Version: 2.1.0-1+b1; Size: 5567.8k; Installed: 7573k; Homepage: replaced-url
2386[19:49:17] <jelly> !which repo
2387[19:49:17] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
2388[19:49:26] <enowaldo> dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" {print $1 } | while read pkg; do apt-cache policy $pkg; done | tee installed-packages-policy
2389[19:49:26] * dpkg selects enowaldo's family photos collection
2390[19:49:43] <enowaldo> ... which may take a while (about 15 minutes for me). Then parse that with: replaced-url
2391[19:49:44] <wr> greycat, found one more replaced-url
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2395[19:50:44] <rant> wr: you already linked to a video with such a solution that is available in debian, wth are we still having this discussion?
2396[19:50:44] <jelly> mzajc: do you have any luks-encrypted block devices (partitions, logical volumes, disks)? If you don't have any, do what the message says
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2398[19:51:07] <mzajc> jelly: alright, thanks!
2399[19:51:15] <enowaldo> AFAIC make out, /var/lib/dpkg/status isn't an issue. I've got 9 unstable, 3 testing, 1 stretch, and 1 testing packages. Which I'm going to suss out now....
2400[19:51:21] <wr> rant, cause don't know if there is anything better
2401[19:51:58] <rant> there is something better, its me and everyone else ignoring you now :P
2402[19:52:00] <enowaldo> testing/contrib are mathematica fonts.
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2404[19:52:03] <annadane> this has been a fun day in #debian
2405[19:52:08] <jelly> enowaldo: it's pretty hard to have a working debian installation with just 14 packages!
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2408[19:52:15] <wr> rant, you seem to be in a bad mood today
2409[19:52:30] <enowaldo> jelly: 4094 packages total.
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2411[19:53:06] <enowaldo> The unstable packages are: libgnomeui-0, libgnomeui-common, nbibtex, pia, scantv, v41-conf, webcam, xawtv, and xawtv-plugins
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2414[19:53:38] <enowaldo> I'm going to call this a non-frankendistro
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2418[19:54:56] <wr> wasn't expecting but replaced-url
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2421[19:55:24] <greycat> wr: nobody ELSE here knows either. Try them all and see.
2422[19:55:37] <wr> greycat, ok
2423[19:55:47] <rant> seems deb.debian.org is busted again :-/
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2425[19:56:08] <enowaldo> xorg packages are testing (mostly) and stretch (4), where the stretch packages all have the same version as testing.
2426[19:56:45] <enowaldo> So: back to my initial issue: I'm running Debian testing and have an Xorg segfault-on-startup issue related to glamor
2427[19:57:18] <enowaldo> And no, this isn't a frankendebian, though it's a recently-updated-from-stretch box that's been offline a few years.
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2430[19:58:27] <keith4> looks like the security update to libjs-jquery in oldstable last week broke jquery.min.js, as it now gives a parse error in browsers. is this worth reporting as a bug, or is the answer just going to be "time tu upgrade"? ;-)
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2432[19:58:35] <annadane> i thought you'd said initially this was from a jessie -> stretch upgrade
2433[19:58:42] <annadane> if it's testing, i'd try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2435[19:59:12] <enowaldo> If anyone wants to question the frankstatus, they're welcome to look at the full package listing here: replaced-url
2436[19:59:20] <annadane> i wonder if the bts maybe has anything related to xorg
2437[19:59:27] <jelly> keith4: report bug to lts mailing list, I think
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2439[19:59:31] <enowaldo> annadane: it has some old bugs.
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2441[19:59:56] <enowaldo> annadane: And specifically xorg-common commit 4795c069a503144ea31f01de0c039f32d9880292
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2443[20:00:20] <jelly> !lts
2444[20:00:21] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
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2446[20:00:45] <enowaldo> annadane: See: replaced-url
2447[20:01:00] <rant> or not.. seems like anything I put in my sources.list isn't working currently.. even with a single source "deb replaced-url
2448[20:01:14] <keith4> jelly: meaning run reportbug, and mail the output to that list?
2449[20:01:19] <enowaldo> annadane: I'd posted the bug numbers earlier. They're similar but unrelated.
2450[20:01:27] <annadane> anyway if you're primarily running buster right now i'd still try #debian-next i guess
2451[20:01:27] <enowaldo> annadane: ... not _directly_ related ,anyway.
2452[20:01:44] <jelly> keith4: that seems sane but I'd check out their instructions first.
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2454[20:01:57] <keith4> will do. thanks
2455[20:02:15] <jelly> (or ask about the proper procedure in their channel)
2456[20:02:25] <keith4> ah, even better
2457[20:02:38] <jelly> (or even about the bug itself)
2458[20:02:46] <jelly> (but I did not tell you that)
2459[20:02:51] <keith4> ... where is the channel?
2460[20:03:01] * rant wtfs
2461[20:03:16] <wr> greycat, it works
2462[20:03:16] <keith4> oh, probably on OFTC?
2463[20:03:20] <jelly> on OFTC. irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net = official debian irc network
2464[20:03:25] <rant> I'm able to connect to these mirrors in chromium yet its just hanging on apt install or apt update
2465[20:03:43] <enowaldo> annadane: Bugs: #767356 from 2014, different HW, similar symptoms. Also #777457
2466[20:03:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2467[20:04:01] <annadane> yes, right, i forgot about that. anyway, like i said try the other channel
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2474[20:05:03] <enowaldo> annadane: #debian-next requires an invite.
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2476[20:05:09] <annadane> other network. irc.oftc.net
2477[20:05:13] <enowaldo> annadane: OK.
2478[20:05:14] <greycat> no, it requires taht you be on the right network
2479[20:05:17] <phazon> rbanffy: if gnome-terminal supports it than other libvte -based terminal emulators should (theoretically) be able to as well
2480[20:05:21] <enowaldo> greycat: Details, details.
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2482[20:05:32] <annadane> you'd said initially this was a jssie -> stretch update, then only recently you said you're running testing
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2484[20:05:38] <annadane> testing -> #debian-next, irc.oftc.net
2485[20:05:57] <enowaldo> annadane: I've been trying to figure out where I'm at, so apologies for that.
2486[20:06:01] <greycat> All the debian channels are on OFTC, except this one and a few of the other non-English general ones.
2487[20:06:05] <jelly> annadane: but buster -> also here
2488[20:06:06] <jmcnaught> annadane: i think they're ignoring me, but I think they did a jessie-stretch upgrade with testing in the repos, so they have a mix of jessie, stretch, and buster
2489[20:06:10] <jelly> how that?!?!
2490[20:06:22] <annadane> yeah, we're aware it's a spaghetti mess
2491[20:06:25] <enowaldo> greycat: Right. I remember when Freenode was the official, still generally prefer it.
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2493[20:06:41] <phazon> rbanffy: try 'apt rdepends libvte-2.91-0' or 'apt rdepends libvte9'
2494[20:06:44] <greycat> !oftc move
2495[20:06:45] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
2496[20:06:58] <annadane> fine, fine. buster = also here i *guess*
2497[20:07:29] <annadane> it's an unwritten rule, though.
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2500[20:07:54] <greycat> This channel pushes testing/unstable questions away vehemently except during a freeze.
2501[20:08:05] <greycat> Since we're in a freeze now, buster questions are becoming acceptable.
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2504[20:08:28] <jelly> but testing/unstable mix questions probably less so
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2506[20:08:37] <annadane> no, i do understand the distinction, i'd just still have thought it's better to ask questions over there but i do stand corrected
2507[20:09:17] <annadane> it's kind of hard to reason with the question asker if we keep saying "it's a frankendebian" and keep getting brushed off
2508[20:09:26] <annadane> self righteousness makes it difficult to give support
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2510[20:09:38] <greycat> then you /ignore them and wait for the next person
2511[20:11:01] <rant> I am unable to connect to ANY official mirrors, I've tried deb.debian.org, mirrors.kernel.org, security.debian.org, ftp.debian.org(backports) all hang at connecting 0%, yet the leap (bitmask), skype, google (earth, chrome) mirrors all work, and I can get to the official mirrors in chromium just fine
2512[20:11:44] <rant> this happened first with apt install then also with apt update. and apt-get as well
2513[20:11:49] <ksk> a little bit of strace maybe..?
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2516[20:12:09] <ksk> sounds like you did something to your apt.config though.
2517[20:12:11] <jelly> rant: do any of those resolve to some ip addresses?
2518[20:12:21] <jelly> !bat
2519[20:12:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2520[20:13:31] <rant> its just repeating this over and over in strace replaced-url
2521[20:13:35] <jelly> and are those addresses dotted ipv4 or coloned ipv6, and can you ping any?
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2523[20:13:50] <rant> its resolving to ipv6
2524[20:14:12] <ksk> are you v6 connected? :)
2525[20:14:16] <rant> pings are not coming back
2526[20:14:17] <jelly> and does this system, in fact, have ipv6 connectivity?
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2529[20:15:05] <rant> replaced-url
2530[20:15:09] <jelly> rant: can you ping6 google.com ?
2531[20:15:10] <rant> would certainly appear so
2532[20:15:38] <rant> that seems to be not getting a response either
2533[20:15:52] <jelly> a configured address means little if your packets are not going anywhere
2534[20:16:08] <ksk> fix your (v6) network setup then I suppose..
2535[20:16:21] <jelly> cycle your wifi and see what happens?
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2537[20:17:10] <jelly> and look at "ip -6 r" and "ip r" in addition to "ip a" to see where the packets are supposed to go
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2539[20:17:25] <rant> bah.. f'n xfinity! :P
2540[20:17:37] <jelly> suuuure, blame comcast
2541[20:17:44] <rant> when I reconnected to the gateway, it worked for a few seconds then quit
2542[20:18:01] <rant> I was getting ipv6 ping replies from google then it just stopped
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2545[20:18:55] <rant> if anything is dropping my ipv6 traffic it'd be them.. :D
2546[20:19:25] <rant> I dont have any sort of software to interfere.. its gotta be their damn network or gateway
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2549[20:20:39] <jelly> at least they tried to give you ipv6. Mine does not even try
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2551[20:20:57] <rant> personally I'm inclined to set the kernel param to disable ipv6 its nothing but a headache
2552[20:21:06] <jelly> !noipv6
2553[20:21:07] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
2554[20:21:12] * jelly whistles
2555[20:21:25] <rant> yeah well there is a sysctl interface or something iirc
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2557[20:23:07] <rant> I'm gonna call them.. cause I been getting bitched at since this new gateway was installed that connections been flaky and its probably all this same ipv6 issue
2558[20:23:19] <rant> this is just the first I personally ran into it
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2561[20:25:46] <rant> another curiousity I have ... I just went ot go unplug all the cables from this laptop to go away from my desk.. and the damn VGA cable always seems to be screwed in yet I dont screw it in.. I just press it in.. anyone ever seen that kinda thing happen? heh
2562[20:25:53] <rant> seems like it screws itself in
2563[20:26:28] <rant> I have never screwed in a connector before on a computer.. I see no need to have it securely fastened.. I dont use my computers inside tornadoes..
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2565[20:28:12] <rant> I may just remove the damn screws from the cable.. its annoying :D
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2575[20:32:17] <SPF> sometimes my debian system is not reachable for around 5 minutes. When I finally login, the time on the machine is 5 minutes behind. I don't see anything suspicious in dmesg
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2577[20:33:18] <ksk> SPF: is it a virtual machine, or on real hardware?
2578[20:33:24] <SPF> real hardware
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2582[20:37:48] <elm_> where can I get the debian non-free cd?
2583[20:38:10] <elm_> I have a problem accessing my network via lan
2584[20:38:47] <greycat> !firmware images
2585[20:38:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2586[20:40:01] <elm_> I have an RTL8111/8168/8411 gigabit ethernet
2587[20:40:18] <elm_> it recognizes my ethernet plug and I can configure it with an IP
2588[20:40:25] <elm_> but I get no network access
2589[20:40:41] <elm_> I have already swapped plugs with this computer but no result
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2592[20:41:45] <elm_> why does the ethernet controller not work on that computer?
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2597[20:43:21] <elm_> ahh: replaced-url
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2607[20:47:29] <haclusterer> hello everyone!
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2611[20:48:20] <jawa78> Ok running debian 9 did apt-get install mysql-server it installed the server I can make users but my php i cant connect php apps to a database nore can i connect mysql workbench either i get connection denied and no I am not running as root but did tried that when i had problems and started trouble shooting and got the same issue
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2614[20:49:32] <haclusterer> how did you make users? via cli
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2621[20:52:06] <jelly> jawa78: mysql server has a listener only on localhost IP address by default, you'd have to work around that by using ssh LocalForward if you want to connect to it from remote. If you want to connect with a php app running on the same machine, using "localhost" as the mysql server ought to work
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2624[20:52:37] <haclusterer> I'm an arch linux user who has recently decided to learn some more about linux, servers and clustering. For that I am using debian
2625[20:52:47] <jawa78> I know that but it not connecting to local host but net stat shows 0.0.0.0:mysql running
2626[20:53:03] <annadane> haclusterer, adduser
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2631[20:53:53] <jawa78> jelly: I yeah can get in via the cli but even workbench sshed into the server trying to reach local host is saying connection denied
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2633[20:54:26] <jelly> jawa78: where are you running mysql workbench?
2634[20:54:35] <jelly> on the server itself?
2635[20:54:36] <haclusterer> now I grow rather frustrated with the fact that seemingly every cool feature I would like to test is not yet in the **version** of the service that is available through the regular package manager.. is it common practice to use 3rd party repositories?
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2637[20:55:03] <jelly> haclusterer: it depends.
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2639[20:56:14] <jelly> debian is a good stable platform, but software versions get 3+ years old near the end of the cycle
2640[20:56:23] <greycat> and that's a problem?
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2642[20:56:31] <jawa78> jelly on a windows machine
2643[20:57:03] <haclusterer> jelly: on what? my intuition tells me not to include 3rd party repos
2644[20:57:10] <jawa78> I think it somehow mysql is broken i must of not installed something
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2646[20:57:12] <jelly> jawa78: do you know how to set up ssh LocalForward from port 3306 on windows machine to localhost:3306 on the remote linux system?
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2648[20:57:38] <jelly> putty can do that.
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2650[20:57:51] <jawa78> Yes that is what I amm doing with work bench . My setttings evne look right in webmin
2651[20:58:00] <elm_> how can I activate insecure repositories via apt??
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2654[20:58:17] <elm_> I have no network connection to install from and need to compile the kernel
2655[20:58:24] <haclusterer> jelly: could you elaborate on "the cycle" isn't debian 9 about 1 years old... (lmgt)
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2657[20:58:34] <greycat> !stretch
2658[20:58:34] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
2659[20:58:41] <greycat> close to 2 years now
2660[20:58:43] <elm_> for debian testing apt-get update refuses to work at me with the bd
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2662[20:58:44] <jelly> !stretch freeze
2663[20:58:45] <dpkg> Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see replaced-url
2664[20:58:56] <greycat> (or more than 2 years if you count since the freeze)
2665[20:59:06] <jelly> haclusterer: versions of most software in current release predate 2017-02-05;
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2667[20:59:43] <Iarfen> hi!
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2669[20:59:59] <Iarfen> it's possible to run iOS inside a VM using Debian?
2670[21:00:20] <jelly> haclusterer: for some bits, maintainers create builds of newer versions that with work current stable. These are called backports.
2671[21:00:23] <jelly> !backports
2672[21:00:23] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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2675[21:01:10] <jawa78> Iarfen: yes it called GNS3
2676[21:01:21] <jawa78> wait never mind you mean apples idiot os
2677[21:01:24] <jelly> haclusterer: for other pieces of software, there are 1st party repos from upstream authors. postgresql.org and mysql.com have packages that are patched for security issues regularly.
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2679[21:01:34] <haclusterer> jelly: ah that's what a backport is! I was wondering :)
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2683[21:02:13] <jelly> haclusterer: 1st and 3rd party repos can vary in quality, freedom and adherence to Debian's packaging policy.
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2685[21:02:47] <jelly> but some software moves so fast debian has no chance to package and maintain the same version for 3 years.
2686[21:03:19] <jelly> eg. for docker people seem to use docker.io packages, even if they're known to have some issues
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2688[21:03:39] <haclusterer> is it advised to use 1st party in regards to security patches?
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2693[21:04:29] <haclusterer> that has already been very informative, thanks!
2694[21:04:55] <jelly> depends on the party. My own rule of thumb is roughly "stray from debian.org repos for chosen specific release only if you have to"
2695[21:05:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi
2696[21:05:41] <haclusterer> aka debian.org is sufficient in most cases
2697[21:06:33] <jelly> it's definitely sufficient for most components, and sometimes, maybe even often, for all the components.
2698[21:06:38] <greycat> Many people who choose Debian do so *because* it is stable, where "stable" means "unchanging". We don't WANT version grind and the pain of updating and adjusting and tweaking everything every month.
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2700[21:07:30] <jelly> but it's also a great platform to put only a few select pieces newer than what debian offers, and use the rest of the OS as-is.
2701[21:07:56] <haclusterer> cool. I was wondering because I am trying to install nextcloud 16 which requires php7.1; debian supports php7.0, what do you suggest? nextcloud15 or some repository?
2702[21:08:04] <jelly> that usually means you have to take care of security, packaging and integration of those pieces yourself
2703[21:08:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
2704[21:08:23] <haclusterer> greycat: this is totally understandable and comes with obvious benefits!
2705[21:08:27] <annadane> Eryn_1983_FL, hi, we see you. if you have a question, just ask it :)
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2707[21:08:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh im trying to search my log for the answer..
2708[21:08:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> of weechat
2709[21:08:49] <jelly> haclusterer: there are some options for php7.3 and 7.2 on stretch.
2710[21:08:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i was just testing
2711[21:08:52] <jelly> !deb.sury.org
2712[21:08:53] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
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2714[21:09:16] <annadane> what debian needs... is slackbuilds.
2715[21:09:17] <elm_> it is uprageous: I have downloaded the BD and now I can not install from BD: there is no Release.gpg on the BD and apt-get keeps complaining about it no matter what options I seem to pass; is there any way to overcome this problem?
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2717[21:09:34] <jelly> haclusterer: these packages are done by one of debian and ubuntu php maintainers, but not by the whole team and may be occasionally broken a bit
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2721[21:09:44] <elm_> it says: depot not signed
2722[21:10:13] <jelly> haclusterer: alternatively, installing "buster" (to become Debian 10 hopefully in a couple months) might be an option
2723[21:10:24] <haclusterer> > occasionally broken
2724[21:10:27] <haclusterer> haha^^
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2726[21:10:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> im trying to figure out what i turned off in mozilla to get my addons working, so i can turn it back on so i know if the fix is working right..
2727[21:10:48] <annadane> xpinstall.signatures.required probably
2728[21:10:49] <dax> Eryn_1983_FL: was it in about:config?
2729[21:10:54] <dax> ^ if so that
2730[21:11:10] <jelly> haclusterer: it's php. The language where upstream breaks semantics from x.y.z to x.y.z+1 patch release.
2731[21:11:37] <annadane> alternatively use a virtual machine or something
2732[21:11:39] <jelly> a single debian maintainer might miss such an occurence.
2733[21:11:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah de-facto
2734[21:11:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2735[21:11:52] <annadane> (for php, not firefox)
2736[21:11:55] <greycat> replaced-url
2737[21:11:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty
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2739[21:12:28] <jelly> supposedly their ship is run a little bit more tightly now than in 5.x days.
2740[21:12:53] <haclusterer> hmmmm
2741[21:13:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> awesome
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2746[21:13:38] <jelly> buster is in feature and version freeze right now, but does not have security team support yet.
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2748[21:13:58] <haclusterer> in a couple of months buster should be released, right? using 1st and 3rd party packages for this period cannot be to bad... wrong?
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2753[21:14:18] <jelly> it will be released as debian 10 when the number of ugly bugs drops to zero
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2755[21:14:19] <jelly> !c bugs
2756[21:14:22] <jelly> !rc bugs
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2758[21:14:28] <jelly> dpkg: boo
2759[21:14:29] * dpkg dies from a heart attack thanks to jelly
2760[21:14:32] <jelly> !rc bugs
2761[21:14:32] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
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2765[21:15:47] <jelly> haclusterer: if you choose to go with debian 9 + some extras now, you might have to remove those extras temporarily when buster is out and you want to do an in-place release upgrade
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2768[21:16:29] <jelly> I do not know how well sury's packages behave on release upgrades.
2769[21:16:46] <annadane> great, you killed dpkg.
2770[21:16:51] <annadane> you got some 'splaining to do.
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2772[21:17:48] <jelly> The previous well know 3rd party php builds, I forget the name, where frankly horrible.
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2774[21:18:30] <jelly> they were so bad I could not describe them without at least two typos per liiine
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2777[21:19:06] <haclusterer> i guess I'll find out
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2779[21:19:32] <haclusterer> jelly & greycat: thank you both, gotta go
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2782[21:20:45] <jelly> dotdeb!
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2784[21:20:50] <jelly> !dotdeb
2785[21:20:51] <dpkg> replaced-url
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2787[21:20:59] <jelly> ^ avoid :-)
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2803[21:26:48] <rant> ping: 10.0.0.3: Address family for hostname not supported anyone have a clue about this? I can ping6 google.com but can't ping6 any LAN addresses
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2805[21:27:29] <jelly> you can't ping6 a 10.0.0.3 ...
2806[21:27:42] <rant> ah right.. heh
2807[21:27:45] <ksk> ;)
2808[21:27:45] <rant> duh
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2811[21:29:41] <rant> hmm.. its not showing any ipv6 addresses here.. only local link ipv6 addresses :-/
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2818[21:33:56] <jhutchins_wk> rant: So likely your DHCP server isn't handing out v6 addresses, or you've configured somethng that turned them off.
2819[21:35:03] <rant> no, I have them, I can see them in "ip a" its just not showing them on connected devices in the router's config
2820[21:35:56] <rant> whats happening here is I can ping6 google.com and get about 10 replies give or take each time I connect to the router, but then after that it stops working.. can't do anything over ipv6
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2828[21:39:01] <jhutchins_wk> Good network hardware is worth the investment.
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2830[21:40:09] <rant> yeah well, this is the latest and the greates from the ISP that just came 2 days ago
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2841[21:46:13] <jhutchins_wk> The only equipment more likely to fail than really old hardware is really new hardware.
2842[21:48:58] <humpled> :D
2843[21:49:36] <enowaldo> OK, sorted my X issue. As root: Xorg -configure; cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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2845[21:50:47] <enowaldo> jmcnaught: ^^
2846[21:51:29] <jhutchins_wk> rant: Well, if the ISP is providing the router, which is supposed to be providing DHCP6 and is supposed to route it, I would definitely talk to the ISP about it. What you describe is not a known behavior of Debian 9.
2847[21:52:26] <jhutchins_wk> (In fact, it sounds a lot like a badly configured ipv6-over-ipv4 implementation.)
2848[21:52:36] <rant> yes. I did talk to them about it, they're clueless and as usual we're back to on the verge of cancelling the service
2849[21:53:43] * extor wonders if the current debian installs are truely multilib since finding out that another distro does not work with android studio because it was not multilib/multiarch and only available in pure 64 bit or pure 32 bit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2857[21:57:51] <Tenkawa> yay at least Nvidia fixed the kernel compile issue and released a driver that will compile cleanly without any mods
2858[21:58:00] <Tenkawa> but it still debug spams
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2866[22:00:43] <jhutchins_wk> Tenkawa: So reconfigure it and recompile.
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2869[22:01:24] <Tenkawa> jhutchins_wk: cant find the source of the message
2870[22:01:41] <Tenkawa> I think its in the proprietary bits
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2875[22:03:06] <Tenkawa> I haven't seen any "other" side effects so far
2876[22:03:14] <Tenkawa> just annoying
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2880[22:06:13] <annadane> i'd installed i3 earlier and now its notification style supercedes xfce's even while in xfce, how to change back?
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2885[22:09:12] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: It would be fairly obvious to either uninstall i3 or reinstall xfce.
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2887[22:09:43] <jhutchins_wk> They probably share something like a QT style configuration and it got overwritten.
2888[22:09:46] <Tenkawa> check window manager and window manager tweaks too
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2891[22:09:55] <annadane> oh good poin
2892[22:09:56] <annadane> t
2893[22:09:58] <Tenkawa> xfce used that
2894[22:10:17] <enowaldo> annadane: solution ^^
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2896[22:10:24] <annadane> yes i saw
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2902[22:13:13] <humpled> hmm
2903[22:13:15] <Tenkawa> cheers.. bbll
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2913[22:15:59] <wald0> what is the "messagebus" group for in /etc/groups? or where i can read about each of them
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2917[22:20:43] <jmcnaught> wald0: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
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2919[22:21:41] <wald0> ha! perfect! :)
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2922[22:23:23] <elm_> how to find out what package I need for my wifi network?
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2924[22:23:45] <elm_> it wanted to install that on install time but now I do not know about the right package
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2926[22:23:58] <elm_> I can not simply install all the firmware packages
2927[22:23:59] <greycat> typically you begin by identifying the wireless interface hardware, using lspci -nn or some equivalent if it's a USB device instead of PCI
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2930[22:24:13] <elm_> it is an intel cannon interface
2931[22:24:21] <greycat> what does lspci -nn say about it?
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2934[22:25:10] <elm_> Cannon Point-LP CNVi
2935[22:25:38] <greycat> The most important part is the PCI ID that is revealed by the -nn option.
2936[22:25:58] <greycat> if it's really Intel, it'll likely begin with 8086:
2937[22:26:03] <elm_> [0280]?
2938[22:26:05] <greycat> that's Intel's little inside joke
2939[22:26:22] <elm_> 8086:9df0?
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2941[22:26:44] <annadane> !pciid
2942[22:26:44] <dpkg> The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k".
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2944[22:27:07] <greycat> I've not been impressed by judd's pciid database results lately
2945[22:27:44] <wald0> i have a user in a server which the /etc/passwd has the login set to /bin/false, is this enough to avoid any security issue? (the ssh access is shared between different people, but they cant login because of that)
2946[22:28:25] <ksk> wald0: that should prevent anyone logging in as that user
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2948[22:28:35] <karlpinc> elm_: The other trick is to install with the unoffical non-free installer, which is non-free because it includes non-free firmware. That way having the firmware to operate your hardware "just happens".
2949[22:28:42] <greycat> replaced-url
2950[22:28:56] <wald0> yeah, my question is: since they have the ssh key for that user, is this a security issue?
2951[22:29:23] <wald0> or, they can "run" anything because of that key? (even if the login is set to /bin/false)
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2953[22:29:47] <ksk> wald0: they will not be able to login. they might authenticate successfully, but no further.
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2955[22:30:19] <greycat> You can try doing your own google searches for your PCI ID (8086:9df0) + "Debian" to see if you find anything more helpful. But if this machine is really post-early-2017 then you might not be able to run stretch on it very well.
2956[22:30:19] <wald0> mmmh
2957[22:30:22] <ksk> if you have not setup anything (pam, maybe?) which triggers stuff on successfull ssh authentication you should be fine.
2958[22:30:26] <elm_> karlpinc: how does that work?
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2960[22:31:05] <wald0> so i can run different things on a server with something like: "ssh server /bin/zsh", but i cannot do that with this conf set
2961[22:31:18] <karlpinc> elm_: You use a speical installer when installing debian.
2962[22:31:30] <wald0> no ssh, no ftp I assume, mmh.. ok
2963[22:31:30] <karlpinc> !tell elm_ about firmware images
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2965[22:31:32] <greycat> wald0: if you want an interactive shell like that, use ssh -t
2966[22:31:57] <karlpinc> ksk: What about command= in authorized_keys?
2967[22:32:06] <ksk> wald0: yeah, if you had like ftp running, authed via pam/passwd, and set /bin/false to be a valid shell, that could happen
2968[22:32:29] <ksk> karlpinc: not sure what happens if that user has no shell.
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2972[22:33:49] <FunkyBob> gah... can't seen to persuade Chrome or Firefox they are NOT my default browser :/
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2974[22:34:00] <karlpinc> wald0: Maybe the right way is to use passwd with --expiredate 1. Then when you want to re-enable you can unexpire.
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2976[22:34:04] <FunkyBob> any tips? $BROWSER shows the right value
2977[22:34:28] <karlpinc> wald0: Er, not passwd, usermod
2978[22:34:28] <ksk> FunkyBob: that is a shell thingy, not desktop related (BROWSER)
2979[22:34:43] <FunkyBob> ksk: yeah, well, I can't seem to find where in lxqt to fix it
2980[22:34:46] <ksk> FunkyBob: xdg-something iirc ;) Im not a desktop guy..
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2983[22:35:16] <ksk> FunkyBob: replaced-url
2984[22:36:13] <FunkyBob> thanks
2985[22:36:43] <FunkyBob> let's see if update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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2987[22:38:49] <jhutchins_wk> wald0: That superficially stops them from loging in to a shell, but it's really easy to get around if they know what they're doing.
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2989[22:39:08] <ksk> jhutchins_wk: could you give one example? :D
2990[22:39:48] <jhutchins_wk> ksk: What happens when you put a command in your ssh command?
2991[22:40:18] <jhutchins_wk> ksk: IE ssh foo@bar -e /bin/bash
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2993[22:40:31] <greycat> again, if you want an INTERACTIVE shell doing this, use ssh -t
2994[22:40:33] <jhutchins_wk> (I think it's -e)
2995[22:40:35] <greycat> otherwise it will fail
2996[22:41:16] <elm_> do I need to reboot in order to activate the firmware?
2997[22:41:18] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yes, it will fail, and I will go read the man page like I should have before I posted.
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2999[22:41:32] <greycat> elm_: I would.
3000[22:41:43] <jhutchins_wk> I can never remember which ones are -c, -e,-t, or just the command.
3001[22:41:44] <elm_> I have installed iwlwifi-all firmware but ip link show does not show it
3002[22:41:49] <elm_> greycat: ok
3003[22:42:02] <greycat> ssh -t means allocate a pseudoterminal, which allows interactive commands to work
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3005[22:42:16] <greycat> you need that for anything that expects a terminal, like an interactive shell
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3008[22:42:27] <greycat> if you DON'T specify a command, -t is the default
3009[22:42:32] <greycat> if you DO specify a command, it's not
3010[22:42:38] <jhutchins_wk> wald0: If you really need to lock it down there are some good docs available, and/or you might want to specify users or groups to allow.
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3012[22:42:56] <ksk> jhutchins_wk: -e? "Sets the escape character" eh?
3013[22:43:22] <jhutchins_wk> ksk: It's not the one for ssh. There's some protocol where it's "execute".
3014[22:43:24] <ksk> jhutchins_wk: did you want to refer to "-s" (shell)? It does not lead to a login.
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3016[22:43:51] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: Anything wrong with: usermod --expiredate 1 someuser?
3017[22:44:05] <jhutchins_wk> It's been five years since I last locked a server down to sftp only, details are foggy.
3018[22:44:26] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: Oh, sftp only.
3019[22:44:49] <jhutchins_wk> karlpinc: It serves as a good example of how to lock a user down to something specific.
3020[22:45:16] <ksk> I cannot make a user with shell set to "/bin/false" make anything over here - would be glad if you enlightend me ;)
3021[22:45:31] <jhutchins_wk> There are some good docs on line, which tends to allow me to work from vague memories.
3022[22:46:03] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: To do something specific I always use command= in authorized_keys. Then they're pretty much stuck if they use that key.
3023[22:46:35] <greycat> ksk: ssh always runs every command using the user account's shell. Period.
3024[22:46:50] <jhutchins_wk> /usr/sbin/nologin has gaps too.
3025[22:46:57] <ksk> okay, thanks greycat.
3026[22:47:06] <xparanoik> getting a kernel recursive fault on debian 8.11 i386/32bit running on and AMD k6-2 machine, any tips on how to figure out the root cause? looks like I get messages related to the BIOS version
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3028[22:47:42] <greycat> I don't know whether a K6-2 is supported under jessie... you'd better look it uo.
3029[22:47:45] <greycat> up
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3031[22:48:19] <xparanoik> yesterday someone here linked me to an email on the list, looks like Jessie is the last release to support i386 and AMD K6-2 should be fine
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3034[22:48:50] <greycat> even jessie doesn't support an actual 80386, if that's what you meant by i386
3035[22:49:17] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
3036[22:50:00] <xparanoik> greycat replaced-url
3037[22:50:05] <beardy> It was many releases ago that 80486 was required.
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3040[22:50:36] <xparanoik> "The older processors will continue to be supported in jessie until at least 2018, and until 2020 if i386 is included in jessie LTS."
3041[22:50:39] <greycat> jessie dropped support for 80486 as noted in replaced-url
3042[22:51:08] <beardy> Sadface.
3043[22:51:15] <elm_> trying to compile the kernel it complains that there is no rule to create certs/debian-uefi-certs.pem
3044[22:51:17] <greycat> xparanoik: all right, that's a good sign then. Should be supported.
3045[22:51:24] <elm_> how to disable signing for the kernel?
3046[22:51:41] <xparanoik> I got it to install fine, just got the kernel recursive fault when running apt-get install memtester
3047[22:51:54] <greycat> elm_: if you're dealing with Secure Boot in ANY WAY whatsoever, skip stretch and go straight for buster. And pray.
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3050[22:54:00] <xparanoik> beardy: "However, Debian GNU/Linux jessie will not run on 486 or earlier processors. Despite the architecture name "i386", support for actual 80386 and 80486 processors (and their clones) was dropped with the Sarge (r3.1) and Squeeze (r6.0) releases of Debian, respectively."
3051[22:54:11] <xparanoik> so this must be it then... :(
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3053[22:54:44] <beardy> xparanoik: Yep.
3054[22:54:57] <greycat> xparanoik: you could ask on debian-user. Some of the kernel guys read that sometimes....
3055[22:55:14] <elm_> greycat: I have buster
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3057[22:55:30] <xparanoik> thanks greycat, i might try that.
3058[22:56:25] <xparanoik> the 0 in 80386 is the processor stepping i assume?
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3060[22:56:41] <greycat> 80386 is just the model number
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3062[22:57:27] <greycat> starting with 80586 they started giving their CPUs *names* as well, because they weren't allowed to trademark a number
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3064[22:57:48] <xparanoik> got it, so the k6-2 is a 80386 then
3065[22:58:01] <greycat> no, K6-2 is from a whole different company, AMD instead of Intel
3066[22:58:29] <xparanoik> im 100% ignorant on this, sorry.
3067[22:59:00] <greycat> after Intel released the "Pentium" (80586) AMD released their "K5" alternative CPU. I believe the K stood for "Kryptonite", because they wanted to strike down Intel (Superman) with it.
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3069[23:00:06] <xparanoik> so architecture wise the k6-2 is equivalent to an intel 80386?
3070[23:00:12] <greycat> No.
3071[23:00:17] <greycat> It's WAY newer than the 80386.
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3073[23:00:36] <greycat> the K6-2 is contemporary with the Pentium II (80686) but the actual instruction sets are not identical.
3074[23:01:30] <hypn0> as quick as a pi3 :-)
3075[23:01:48] <xparanoik> i think my pi 3 is a tad bit faster honestly
3076[23:01:55] <greycat> A pi is probably faster. The k6-2 is from 1998.
3077[23:02:21] <xparanoik> greycat so kernel wise the k6-2 requires i386
3078[23:02:37] <greycat> It uses the i386 *architecture* yes.
3079[23:02:42] <xparanoik> got it
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3082[23:03:02] <xparanoik> sadly this box came with Windows XP so I was hoping i'd haven no issues with debian i386
3083[23:03:08] <greycat> The amd64 architecture came quite a bit later.
3084[23:03:21] <xparanoik> have no*
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3086[23:07:46] <xparanoik> not sure what to do with this box now, definitely don't want to install XP on it again
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3088[23:08:28] <greycat> maybe try installing a wheezy kernel package, but I'd certainly ask debian-user to see if anyone knows it specifically
3089[23:09:01] <xparanoik> will do
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3097[23:13:28] <bigMouthCommie> i followed the wiki page called suspend, but my lid switch still suspends
3098[23:13:48] <bigMouthCommie> how do i keep the usb keyboard useful while lid is closed?
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3101[23:14:58] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: what specifically did you do?
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3105[23:16:51] <bigMouthCommie> echo "HandleLidSwitch=ignore" >> /etc/systemd/logind.conf
3106[23:17:19] <bigMouthCommie> i mean i edited the file and searched for the (default commented) line and uncommented it and set the value
3107[23:17:24] <jmcnaught> and you restarted systemd-logind.service?
3108[23:17:33] <bigMouthCommie> full system restart
3109[23:17:39] <jmcnaught> which DE are you using?
3110[23:17:45] <bigMouthCommie> xfce4
3111[23:18:12] <bigMouthCommie> i see on the suspend page there is an option to prevent the system from EVER suspending.
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3113[23:18:24] <bigMouthCommie> sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
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3115[23:18:36] <jmcnaught> does it have any suspend on lid closed options? making the change in logind.conf is all that I had to do to stop the lid closing from suspending in GNOME
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3117[23:19:14] <bigMouthCommie> i'll try that line
3118[23:19:19] <jmcnaught> do you have more than one display?
3119[23:19:44] <bigMouthCommie> no
3120[23:19:47] <bigMouthCommie> its for a blind user
3121[23:20:52] <jmcnaught> logind.conf(5) says "If the system is inserted in a docking station, or if more than one display is connected, the action specified by HandleLidSwitchDocked= occurs; otherwise the HandleLidSwitch=action occurs."
3122[23:20:54] <bigMouthCommie> i tried that line. it didnt do the thing
3123[23:21:09] <bigMouthCommie> so set them both to ignore?
3124[23:21:25] <jmcnaught> might as well, I would try that before masking sleep.target etc.
3125[23:23:06] <bigMouthCommie> so i did the additional edit and restarted logind. still requires the user to navigate the suspend screen
3126[23:23:41] <bigMouthCommie> o no. i think i have to read pm-suspend man page
3127[23:23:46] <bigMouthCommie> :(
3128[23:24:25] <bigMouthCommie> nevermind. i dont even have it
3129[23:24:34] <jmcnaught> yeah systemd handles suspending now
3130[23:25:09] <FunkyBob> did they fix their ill-advised use of the random source? :P
3131[23:26:13] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: what do you mean "navigate the suspend screen?" Is a dialogue coming up when the lid is closed?
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3133[23:26:29] <bigMouthCommie> fixed it with xfce4-power-manager -c
3134[23:26:47] <bigMouthCommie> yea. it asks for login info. the session is just suspended
3135[23:27:04] <bigMouthCommie> but like i said.
3136[23:27:19] <bigMouthCommie> the fix is xfce4-power-manger -c, and fix it in the gui
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3138[23:28:01] <bigMouthCommie> the fix was on the redhat bugzilla: replaced-url
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3173[23:58:25] <xparanoik> does anyone know of debian mirror that still supports wheezy?
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