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68 [00:44:07] <annadane> i can't seem to open imagemagick
in i3 - the dmenu doesn't give anything and trying to open it
from terminal gives bash: imagemagick: command not found
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78 [00:47:53] <bites> there is no imagemagick binary
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82 [00:48:49] <bites> if you are looking for the gui, it's
"display"
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94 [00:53:39] <RoyK> annadane: just use gimp
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99 [00:55:10] <ntd> remind me: why are chanlimits a thing these
days?
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103 [00:56:58] <bites> spammer flooding.
104 [00:59:05] <annadane> i don't really like imagemagick
anyway, there's a million better photo viewers
105 [00:59:23] <annadane> and yes i know it's not just a
viewer
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107 [01:00:41] <RoyK> annadane: imagemagick works well for
batching stuff, though
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125 [01:21:22] <rant> how come I have to use the internal IP to
reach my screen session via ssh/mosh when on the LAN when its
working from outside? I am using an xfinity gateway/modem and its
just a tad annoying to need two different connection profiles on all
my devices
126 [01:22:59] <rant> and yeah, imagemagick is a horrible
gui/viewer.. its for batch operations and scripting.. feh is better
for a minimalistic viewer that can be scripted
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135 [01:30:25] * awal1 Likes v/h splitting feature added for
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172 [02:08:26] <MiekeReust> Why can't i use text-to-speech
in Okular on debian Buster? I have all the speech installed (except
Jovie which is NA)??
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271 [03:38:50] <tokam> I want to mine some conis for fun....
272 [03:39:00] <tokam> with the gdb debugger I get this info
273 [03:39:07] <tokam> [13.10.2018 03:36:53] [ info] Successfully
connected to xmr.pool.minergate.com:45700
274 [03:39:07] <tokam> Thread 6 "QThread" received
signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
275 [03:39:12] <tokam> what can I do to solve the issue?
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279 [03:52:09] <tw> turn off advanced simd instructions in the
application.
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298 [04:16:47] <anonnumberanon> Hi I do 'uname -a' but
it doesn't tell me if I have Debian 7, 8, or 9. What do?
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304 [04:23:12] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: lsb_release -a or cat
/etc/os-release
305 [04:23:30] <RoyK> the latter is the preferred for newer stuff
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307 [04:24:12] <anonnumberanon> ah I see
308 [04:24:31] <anonnumberanon> should I save that command or
will it be gone later ^_^ ?
309 [04:24:51] <RoyK> the latter will probably stay for a while
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311 [04:25:20] <RoyK> lsb_release isn't in latest debian
stable (stretch) without manual installation
312 [04:25:35] <anonnumberanon> uuu, Debian9.. Okay thanks!!!
313 [04:25:52] <anonnumberanon> yeah lsb release did not
recognize as a command
314 [04:25:55] <RoyK> uname only tells you the kernel version
315 [04:25:57] <anonnumberanon> the latter did though
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318 [04:26:10] <anonnumberanon> Ah yes, uname only gives you
Linux?
319 [04:26:17] <RoyK> uname -a
320 [04:26:30] <Kaminota> There is also /etc/debian_version (Just
as a random note.)
321 [04:26:37] <RoyK> but then - the OS version isn't
related
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323 [04:26:44] <RoyK> Kaminota: outdated
324 [04:27:32] <anonnumberanon> I'm trying to install
something so I need the right version for the tutorial ^_^ ....
325 [04:28:04] <RoyK> Kaminota: it's non-portable, and in
most unix systems, you want things to be as portable as possible -
lsb_release and so on was somewhaat portable, but lacked a good
syntax
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327 [04:28:53] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: usual issue - ask if there
is something specific
328 [04:29:35] <Kaminota> Like I said, random note~
329 [04:29:36] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, well, I just may, you never
know
330 [04:30:24] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: AFAIK the /etc/os-release
has been standardised across a lot of platforms now
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335 [04:35:56] <tokam> what will happen if you put the ubuntu
sources in a debian 9.5 system?
336 [04:35:57] <tokam> in apt
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338 [04:36:54] <allorder> bullshit
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340 [04:37:37] <tokam> allorder: I tested it on a server I do not
use
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342 [04:37:53] <allorder> for testing ok
343 [04:38:02] <tokam> it works
344 [04:38:10] <tokam> it pulls new packages and sources
345 [04:38:14] <tokam> but I do not know how long it will work
346 [04:38:16] <allorder> but don't trust this temporary
glory
347 [04:38:33] <tokam> will it totally kill the server?
348 [04:38:47] <tokam> or is there a chance to turn a running
ubuntu out of a debian 9.5?
349 [04:38:59] <allorder> don't mix
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351 [04:39:07] <allorder> its a bit like alcool
352 [04:39:13] <tokam> I needed qt 8
353 [04:39:15] <tokam> 5.8
354 [04:39:19] <tokam> and had many issues to install it
355 [04:39:42] <tokam> downloading the ubuntu deb packages
resulted in many dependency conflicts
356 [04:39:54] <allorder> you can't trust this machine
anymore, thats all I have to say
357 [04:39:54] <tokam> than I had the stupid idea to change the
apt/sources.list
358 [04:40:11] <tokam> and now I run apt-get update
359 [04:40:14] <tokam> apt-get upgrade
360 [04:40:33] <tokam> apt --fix-broken install
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365 [04:47:57] <allorder>
replaced-url
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368 [04:49:23] <rant> ,v libqt5core5a
369 [04:49:24] <judd> Package: libqt5core5a on amd64 -- jessie:
5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.1+dfsg-3+b1; buster:
5.11.1+dfsg-9; sid: 5.11.1+dfsg-9; experimental: 5.11.2+dfsg-2
370 [04:50:35] <rant> if you needed 5.8 you needed to not use or
reprogram.. if you needed AT LEAST 5.8, you could've tried to
backport it from buster/sid or used a chroot or something
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376 [04:59:18] <tokam> I need avx instructions but my cpu does
not support it
377 [05:00:00] <tokam> what is buster/sid?
378 [05:00:10] <tokam> can I somehow emulate avx instructios?
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380 [05:07:13] <allorder> buster = next release name, sid =
unstable (always)
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383 [05:12:24] <tokam> allorder: interesting
384 [05:12:27] <tokam> thanks
385 [05:14:16] <allorder>
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397 [05:23:50] <rue_bed> broken package: gimp, requires libbabl
version 0.1.12 or later, but in debian only ver 0.1.10 is avialable
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509 [07:48:36] <at0m> had one of my machines rebooting at
apparent random times. watchdog config fail. o)
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512 [07:53:15] <diogenes_> at0m, pastebin: inxi -Fx
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515 [07:54:05] <at0m> diogenes_: i fixed it, thanks. purged
watchdog cos i dont really need it.
516 [07:54:21] <diogenes_> ohh
517 [07:54:23] <diogenes_> nice
518 [07:55:32] <at0m> "The watchdog program writes to
/dev/watchdog every ten seconds. If the device is opened but not
written to within a minute, the machine will reboot."
519 [07:55:57] <at0m> "The watchdog tool itself runs several
health checks and acts appropriately if the system is not in good
shape."
520 [07:56:21] <at0m> say, it can restart services if they hang
or fail
521 [07:56:33] <at0m> or, ultimately, reboot the machine
522 [07:56:44] <diogenes_> at0m, and how it used to reboot? like
normal reboot or like a sudden shurdown and then reboot?
523 [07:57:16] <at0m> diogenes_: graceful reboot, no special
errors
524 [07:58:12] <at0m> i got this one time cos interface did not
always come up on boot, or would hang some time while running. so
i'd have the machine ping an external box, and reboot if the
ping failed
525 [07:58:58] <at0m> cos if the interface failed, i couldnt ssh
to it to go fix the machine either
526 [07:59:25] <diogenes_> oh ok, because on one laptop i also
had random reboots but they were like sudden abrupt reboots like
thunder from the cleear sky but it was a intel firmware bug
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528 [08:04:19] <__m4ch1n3__> at0m, tried remove and insert
interfaces kernel module instead of reboot?
529 [08:05:32] <at0m> __m4ch1n3__: that issue was with an old
kernel long ago, but i hadnt removed watchdog since. and the machine
it pinged was recently removed
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559 [08:51:07] <pyex> hello, how can learn x11 application?
560 [08:51:51] <dutchfish> pyex, which one, or do you mean
develop in it?
561 [08:52:09] <agio> or xserver?
562 [08:53:06] <dutchfish> at0m,
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570 [08:56:17] <tedarek> ehy there. i need to install a bluetooth
manager
571 [08:56:22] <tedarek> any suggestions?
572 [08:57:03] <at0m> tedarek: graphical? most desktop
environments have one, depends on your DE
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574 [08:58:29] <tedarek> at0m, not mine.. i'm using arch on
this machine..
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577 [09:00:19] <agio> I've had blueman working but on
debian, I've found it very hit and miss
578 [09:01:14] <tedarek> yeah.. i tried it
579 [09:01:18] <tedarek> it gave me some problems
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586 [09:05:16] <agio> yeah, its probably the most problematic
thing I've tried to do on debian
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600 [09:14:28] <SpeedyG> I know general advice is to stick to the
package manager nevertheless, this is a good guide on installing
ipv6-aware fail2ban on debian :)
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601 [09:15:09] <SpeedyG> (and yeah... there's like 12 words
of french in there... which I barely understand.. but still :D )
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658 [09:35:41] <nyov> SpeedyG: in french...
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660 [09:35:59] <nyov> okay not really. sorry
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662 [09:36:13] <SpeedyG> nyov: thats what I said... ;)
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664 [09:36:25] <SpeedyG> nyov: my french is horrible at best :D
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667 [09:37:02] <SpeedyG> but given that my webserver recently got
an ipv6 address, this is a nice solution :D
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676 [09:41:21] <nyov> SpeedyG: better solution would be to
apt-get source fail2ban, update/patch, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg
install... in my opinion
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678 [09:42:02] <SpeedyG> nyov: any good guides for that
somewhere?
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680 [09:42:39] <agio> I've lost sound on my laptop, anyone
know a good way to test/debug?
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684 [09:44:04] <nyov> SpeedyG: most are convoluted :( but for a
simple package rebuild without autobuilder you could try
replaced-url
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686 [09:44:51] <SpeedyG> thx
687 [09:45:07] <jim> hi... can I ask judd for a listing of
what's in a package? (right now interested in the package
x11-apps)
688 [09:45:11] <SpeedyG> from what I see, even in sid, still only
fail2ban 10.2 is included.. and apparently no ipv5 support :(
689 [09:45:33] <SpeedyG> *ipv6
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692 [09:46:36] <nyov> SpeedyG: so they added ipv6 in 0.10.4?
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694 [09:46:53] <nyov> (a minor release??)
695 [09:47:10] <SpeedyG> nyov: not sure, the fail2ban github
states as of 0.10 (no minor version mentioned there)
696 [09:47:31] <SpeedyG> but in the requirements/recommends in
debain package list I see no ip6tables or any other ref. to ipv6
697 [09:47:49] <nyov> jim: yes hould be possible
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700 [09:50:25] <SpeedyG> anyway, for now it works, so I can go to
the gym with a slight feeling of security ;)
701 [09:51:02] <nyov> jim: /msg judd file x11-apps --release sid
702 [09:51:43] <nyov> oh wait, that's not working
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705 [09:52:55] <nyov> jim: I think you'll need a path to do
that. or use local tools (much better than irc for long listings)
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715 [10:03:30] <jim> nyov, yeah, dpkg -L package # is better, but
only works for installed packages
716 [10:03:41] <n4dir> perhaps apt-file show <pkg>
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728 [10:11:49] <nyov> jim: if you have sources for the suite to
poll, apt-file would work
729 [10:11:58] <nyov> apt-file show x11-apps --filter-suites=sid
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733 [10:13:51] <nyov> or you could browse sources from
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738 [10:16:35] <nyov> SpeedyG: I checked, and ipv6 should be in
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742 [10:19:18] <nyov> SpeedyG: you won't see any reference
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750 [10:23:23] <jim> nyov, oh, didn't know apt-file could
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811 [10:41:26] <dokma> I have a Logitech H600 wireless headset
which works on my Debian box if I plug its receiver into a Win7 box
shortly but after a while it stops working again.
812 [10:41:40] <dokma> Is there a way to see what the Debian box
does or not to it?
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821 [10:47:09] <thm> on debian9, starting an openvpn server via
systemd, why would that also start a
/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch, then timeout, and
finally fail?
822 [10:47:18] <thm> I have no idea why I would need a user/pw
for running a server with a static key?
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824 [10:49:27] <dokma> thm that's a question most easily
answered from the code
825 [10:49:43] <dokma> just download the code and grep for the
other exec
826 [10:49:53] <dokma> you will find all instances where it is
started very easily
827 [10:50:02] <dutchfish> thm, as far as i know, it basically
prompts you to elevate for root/sudo premission to open up that
connection, with or without a key.
828 [10:50:05] <dokma> and from there you will see why it is
started also very easily
829 [10:50:48] <dutchfish> thm, if you dont want that, there is
networkmanager
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832 [10:52:58] <dutchfish> thm, networkmaganger can be setup to
autoconnect over such a tunnel, with or without a key
833 [10:53:20] <dutchfish> networkmanager*
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854 [11:00:44] <dutchfish> thm, if this is a headless box as
openvpnserver take a peak in this readme
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860 [11:01:37] <thm> dutchfish: that readme I followed (at least
I think), but it doesn't explain why the server would need a
user/pw
861 [11:02:11] <dutchfish> thm, is your key passwordless??
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864 [11:03:05] <dutchfish> thm, if not you need to provide your
own wrapper (insecure)
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866 [11:03:22] <thm> it is passwordless, generated like on this
page:
replaced-url
867 [11:03:54] <thm> running the very same cmdlineline that is in
the unit file works like a charm, only when started via systemctl, I
have this problem
868 [11:04:08] <dokma> thm I can't find any mention of
systemd-tty-ask-password-agent in openvpn source code so it seems
that it is not directly openvpn that asks for it to be started
869 [11:04:38] <dokma> As which use does it get started by
systemd?
870 [11:04:42] <dokma> *user*
871 [11:04:48] <thm> root
872 [11:05:05] <thm> I think
873 [11:05:13] <dokma> pgrep -fla openvpn
874 [11:05:15] <dutchfish> thm, maybe you can paste (sanitized)
your output of journalctl -u openvpn-server@$CONFIGNAME, hard to say
what is going wrong
875 [11:05:19] <dokma> what do you get?
876 [11:05:53] <dutchfish> thm, i assume you have systemd's
pam in place
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878 [11:06:18] <thm> dokma: 2791 /usr/sbin/openvpn --status
/run/openvpn-server/status-my.log --status-version 2
--suppress-timestamps --config my.conf
879 [11:06:37] <thm> dutchfish: I don't know, why would I
need that?
880 [11:06:48] <dokma> This is mine: 592 /usr/sbin/openvpn
--daemon ovpn-vpn --status /run/openvpn/vpn.status 10 --cd
/etc/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf --writepid
/run/openvpn/vpn.pid
881 [11:07:15] <dutchfish> dokma, i have it 'ditto'
882 [11:07:27] <thm> dokma: seems you use openvpn@vpn.service and
not openvpn-server@vpn.status
883 [11:07:36] <thm> dokma: seems you use openvpn@vpn.service and
not openvpn-server@vpn.service I meant
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885 [11:08:41] <dokma> I don't know the difference. I have
to google it.
886 [11:09:03] <thm> dutchfish: there's nothing in the logs
that explains why /bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent is started.
887 [11:09:36] <dokma> Is there a verbosity setting?
888 [11:09:36] <thm> dutchfish: I already tried to get help in
#openvpn, but they blame the packaging
889 [11:10:10] <dutchfish> thm, is this Ubuntu? because there are
reports on the net about this
890 [11:10:31] * dutchfish is running Debian
891 [11:10:42] <thm> the net is full of people have the same or
similar issues, but no real answers. and no, it is debian9 on
virtuozzo.
892 [11:11:18] <dokma> thm which process is the parent of the
started systemd-tty-ask-password-agent ??
893 [11:11:31] <thm> the shell executing the systemctl
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895 [11:11:55] <dutchfish> thm, have tried to comment out
auth-user-pass in /etc/openvpn/yourconf
896 [11:11:56] <dokma> that is very strange
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898 [11:12:35] <thm> dutchfish: /etc/openvpn/server/my.conf only
has dev, ifconfig, and secret entries, nothing else
899 [11:12:56] * dutchfish scratches head
900 [11:13:22] <dokma> can you try and start it without
systemctl?
901 [11:13:34] <thm> without systemctl, works fine
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903 [11:14:10] <dokma> did you take a look into the systemctl
startup scripts?
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906 [11:14:20] <dokma> systemd that would be
907 [11:14:26] <thm> there is no script, only the unit file.
908 [11:14:32] <dokma> the unit file
909 [11:14:43] <dokma> did you check it out to see what it does
differently
910 [11:16:02] <thm> here's the current unit file(s):
replaced-url
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918 [11:18:50] <dokma> thm how does your openvpn.service looks
like?
919 [11:18:54] <dokma> and does it work?
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921 [11:19:14] <thm> I added the ltrace to find out what openvpn
does when run under systemd, but it only calls
sd_pid_notify_with_fds() and sd_pid_notify().
922 [11:19:39] <thm> dokma: I could try that
923 [11:19:46] <dokma> can you pastebin your openvpn.service?
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925 [11:20:22] <dokma> if it works all you have to do is to try
to change one into the other line by line until
systemd-tty-ask-password-agent is gone
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927 [11:21:11] <thm>
replaced-url
928 [11:21:39] <dokma> can you cat openvpn.service?
929 [11:21:43] <dokma> I do not have the @
930 [11:22:16] <dokma> That's the one that is enabled on my
box and works flawlessly
931 [11:22:40] <thm> well, I can, but that's not a real
unit, it loads the @ variants which are generated by a systemd
generator
932 [11:22:57] <thm>
replaced-url
933 [11:22:58] <dokma> This one is loaded on my system while the
others are not
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935 [11:23:20] <dokma> % systemctl list-unit-files | grep openvpn
936 [11:23:21] <dokma> openvpn-client@.service disabled
937 [11:23:23] <dokma> openvpn-server@.service disabled
938 [11:23:25] <dokma> openvpn.service enabled
939 [11:23:27] <dokma> openvpn@.service disabled
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942 [11:23:50] <dokma> kicked for 5 line
943 [11:24:08] <dokma> That's a bit too squeamish
944 [11:24:34] <c|oneman> whats the difference between xrdp over
xorg and xrdp over xvnc
945 [11:24:40] <thm> dokma: what does 'find
/run/systemd/generator' give on your machine?
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949 [11:27:41] <dokma> thm:
replaced-url
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951 [11:28:34] <thm> see, there is your @service
952 [11:28:40] <thm> it is auto-generated
953 [11:28:51] <dokma> thm: my company's telephony works on
openvpn.service so I don't know where's the mismatch
954 [11:29:28] <dokma> all the @ variants are disabled
955 [11:29:41] <thm> it does not list the auto-generated ones
956 [11:29:48] <m_g_lewis> I added a repository with
"apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa" but it is not
in /etc/apt/sources.list...how do I remove it?
957 [11:30:37] <n4dir> perhaps in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
958 [11:30:47] <dutchfish> thm, for what it is worth, i followed
your discussion, and i have the same outcome as dokma
959 [11:30:47] <dokma> thm there is no openvpn@vpn.service
amongst the unit files
960 [11:31:05] <n4dir> m_g_lewis: well, in a file in that
directory. sorry, i was unclear
961 [11:31:24] <dokma> thm did you try a clean reinstall? perhaps
you have some leftovers from previous installs?
962 [11:31:32] <thm> gna
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964 [11:32:48] <thm> dutchfish: the only thing that can remain is
some problem with the virtuozzo environment. I already hat to change
the LimitNPROC thing for example. maybe something else is in the way
965 [11:32:52] <dutchfish> thm, is this a fresh install?
966 [11:32:57] <dokma> thm what do you get on: systemctl
list-unit-files | grep openvpn
967 [11:33:36] <thm> dokma: exactly the same like you, but I
think that is not relevant
968 [11:33:36] <dokma> dpkg -l | grep openvpn
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970 [11:33:37] <dpkg> ii | grep openvpn 1.2-13.3 ultra s3kr1t
#debian package
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972 [11:33:59] <thm> ii openvpn 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1 amd64 virtual
private network daemon
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976 [11:34:20] <dokma> I have 2.4.0-6+deb9u1
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978 [11:34:42] <thm> dokma: doesn't make a difference, I
tried both, the deb9u1 as well as the bpo
979 [11:34:44] <dutchfish> apropos, this is mine ii openvpn
2.4.6-1
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981 [11:35:44] <dokma> dutchfish: that one is from buster
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983 [11:35:51] <dutchfish> dokma, correct
984 [11:36:02] <dokma> mine is from stretch
985 [11:36:09] <dokma> but thm runs backport
986 [11:36:13] <dokma> lovely
987 [11:36:21] <dokma> but as he said it doesn't make a
difference
988 [11:36:29] <dutchfish> ah ic, i have no problems (security)
with mine
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996 [11:38:49] <m_g_lewis> dokma: Thanks, that's where the
file was...
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999 [11:39:10] <dokma> m_g_lewis: ?
1000 [11:39:10] <dutchfish> thm, here is a thought, backport
currently does not have all the bugs fixed in systemd, maybe you are
running into one of those. Either stick to stable or testing. I
think bpo is not a sane choice for this.
1001 [11:39:27] <dokma> he tried stable as well
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1003 [11:39:38] <dutchfish> mmm...
1004 [11:40:05] <dutchfish> dokma, i run both versions with
success, but not on bpo
1005 [11:40:19] <dutchfish> because of systemd bugs
1006 [11:40:29] <dokma> interesting...
1007 [11:40:35] <thm> here, systemd is from stable, and openvpn I
tried bpo and stable, no difference
1008 [11:40:39] <dokma> I only ever tried the stable one and it
worked off the bat
1009 [11:40:57] <dutchfish> thm, maybe your problem is not in
openvpn?
1010 [11:41:11] <thm> could very well be
1011 [11:41:16] <dokma> that's the worst option
1012 [11:41:20] <m_g_lewis> dokma: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is
where the repository file was that was causing the error when I did
apt update...
1013 [11:42:46] <dokma> m_g_lewis: n4dir helped you not me
1014 [11:43:11] <m_g_lewis> dokma: OK, sorry...
1015 [11:43:25] <dokma> no problem
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1017 [11:43:40] <agio> I've lost sound on my laptop, anyone
know a good way to test/debug?
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1019 [11:44:13] <n4dir> m_g_lewis: in general i would be rather
shy when it comes to adding third party repositories.
1020 [11:44:25] <dokma> agio: first for a hardware test try it
with a live CD
1021 [11:44:26] <n4dir> just as a sidenote.
1022 [11:44:45] <dokma> agio: knoppix or the like
1023 [11:44:57] <dutchfish> thm, just for the sake of
completeness, i am curious to know what kernel you are running this
on?
1024 [11:44:59] <dokma> if it does not work then it might be
hardware
1025 [11:45:02] <agio> dokma: hardware is compatible - was working
yesteerday
1026 [11:45:11] <dokma> but might be broken today
1027 [11:45:21] <dokma> I had to replace the speaker on my laptop
1028 [11:45:47] <thm> dutchfish: it's a vserver (virtuozzo),
therefore a non-debian kernel 3.16.0-042stab133.2
1029 [11:45:59] <agio> i dont have a live cd though
1030 [11:46:02] <dutchfish> thm, thank you
1031 [11:46:11] <dokma> agio: do you have dual boot?
1032 [11:46:17] <agio> no
1033 [11:46:18] <m_g_lewis> n4dir: I'm trying to find
timeshift and the repository I added was a Ubuntu repository but it
was not secure...now I don't know where to find timeshift :(
1034 [11:46:30] <thm> dutchfish: but all other services I tried so
far, including nginx, php, postfix, and many others, work well
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1036 [11:46:56] <jelly> thm: ask your provider to enable tuntap
support inside the VPS, or get a fully-virtualized VM with own
kernel, and not a container
1037 [11:46:59] <dutchfish> thm, sure, but is it secure would be
the right question ....
1038 [11:47:25] <dokma> thm: then it's probably openvpn that
is the issue
1039 [11:47:35] <thm> jelly: not sure if you followed the
discussion, but openvpn works well with the same config when not
started via systemd
1040 [11:47:46] <jelly> thm: I missed that.
1041 [11:48:24] <agio> isn't there some alsa command that
just plays some sound into the alsa driver?
1042 [11:48:27] <dutchfish> i totally agree on jelly's first
line on this
1043 [11:48:37] <jelly> thm: so put sysvinit back?
1044 [11:48:44] <agio> hah
1045 [11:48:48] <jelly> aplay
1046 [11:49:13] <agio> so aplay singleladies.mp3 is the command?
1047 [11:49:18] <jelly> !alsa checklist
1048 [11:49:18] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1051 [11:50:21] <jelly> agio: aplay will not decode that mp3, it
only deals with uncompressed formats
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1053 [11:51:30] <agio> so only .pcm ? does alsa-utils come with
any demo sound files for testing?
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1058 [11:52:14] <nyov> agio: see 5)
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1060 [11:53:42] <agio> ah, thanks, yeah I am playing and no sound
...
1061 [11:54:02] <agio> I ran: aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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1064 [11:56:22] <agio> pulse audio is running
1065 [11:57:07] <agio> ah - I get sound when I run the aplay
command as root - what could cause that?
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1108 [12:24:01] <at0m> agio: is your user in the audio group? grep
$user /etc/groups, or just run "groups" as $user
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1181 [13:16:23] <PaddyScribo> is there a way to throttle the
nvidia GPU in my laptop similar to the powersave mode of my CPUs?
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1184 [13:18:49] <PaddyScribo> sometimes when a program (example:
second life client) demands too much power from the GPU the system
goes into thermal shutdown
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1187 [13:21:51] <allorder> you can't lower it in the game ?
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1189 [13:23:26] <PaddyScribo> it was just an example
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1198 [13:32:25] <jelly> with the closed driver there's
nvidia-settings, dunno for nouveau. Probably depends on the card and
the level of support mouveau people figured out for that card
generation
1199 [13:33:32] <PaddyScribo> okay, will try with the nvidia
driver
1200 [13:33:33] <jelly> also maybe clean/vacuum your computer
1201 [13:33:53] <jelly> oh that wasn't a suggestion to use
the blob driver
1202 [13:34:24] <jelly> more like "investigate and ask in
#nouveau if stuck"
1203 [13:34:27] <PaddyScribo> i have to use it else
nvidia-settings wont run :)
1204 [13:36:05] <PaddyScribo> step 1: driver works, no battle with
nouveau, now 2
1205 [13:36:45] <jelly> that's the fastest reboot of an x86
laptop ever
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1211 [13:40:04] <rcm888> who uses slax?
1212 [13:40:26] <jelly> !slax
1213 [13:40:26] <dpkg> i heard slax is a <Slackware>-based
GNU/Linux Live distribution.
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1214 [13:40:34] <jelly> probably the people in that channel
1215 [13:40:48] <rcm888> jelly, only 5 people there
1216 [13:40:56] <rcm888> and they dont answer
1217 [13:41:19] <jelly> weekends can be slow in small channel
1218 [13:41:24] <jelly> s
1219 [13:41:32] <jelly> be patient.
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1221 [13:42:28] <jelly> if you have a question other than
"who uses" maybe ##linux can help you with more generic
answers
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1226 [13:44:58] <SpeedyG> nyov: ok, I might chech that on another
box then and see if using the upstream package works
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1228 [13:48:37] <PaddyScribo> too bad, it only offers the
"performance" and the "adaptive" level in that
power mixer
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1231 [13:49:33] <jelly> does it still make things die with the
default
1232 [13:50:07] <PaddyScribo> i havent tested yet
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1234 [13:50:38] <jelly> so why is it "too bad" then
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1236 [13:51:21] <PaddyScribo> cause the docs on the web suggested
a "low power" option
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1239 [13:51:48] <PaddyScribo> or do i understand
"adaptive" the wrong way?
1240 [13:52:09] <PaddyScribo> so far i believe it is like "on
demand"
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1243 [13:53:18] <V7> Is it possible to move running xterm from
different xterm?
1244 [13:53:20] <PaddyScribo> yeah, thats not good enough. a
software can still drive me into a thermal shutdown
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1246 [13:53:46] <V7> I mean, a window's position of xterm
1247 [13:53:59] <RoyK> rcm888: well, this is a debian-specific
channel ;)
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1249 [13:55:02] <jelly> PaddyScribo: let me be explicit: test
before complaining
1250 [13:55:14] <PaddyScribo> jelly: roger
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1252 [13:56:44] <jelly> V7: xdotool?
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1255 [13:57:51] <jelly> figure out the windowid with xprop or
something
1256 [13:57:57] <V7> bash: xdotool: command not found
1257 [13:58:00] <jelly> !installit
1258 [13:58:01] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every
application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.
If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't
there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone
suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that
it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
1259 [13:58:22] <V7> jelly: Looking for something which
doesn't need an installation
1260 [14:00:25] * jelly shrugs
1261 [14:00:35] <phogg> V7: in that case no, it's not
possible
1262 [14:00:46] <phogg> unless you happen to have xdotool or
wmctrl already installed
1263 [14:00:46] <V7> Oh
1264 [14:01:05] <V7> So, there's no Xorg utility for that?
1265 [14:01:10] <V7> Preinstalled^
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1267 [14:01:21] <phogg> V7: there is, it's called your mouse
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1269 [14:01:51] <phogg> V7: what things are
"pre-installed" isn't up to Xorg. That's up to
you, the person who has root.
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1271 [14:02:08] <PinkBellyNagger>
replaced-url
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1273 [14:03:00] <phogg> PinkBellyNagger needs a ban.
1274 [14:03:30] <PinkBellyNagger> sorry, that was a private pic I
didn't mean to tweet it.
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1276 [14:03:48] <PinkBellyNagger> I linked the wrong one
1277 [14:04:11] <PinkBellyNagger> I should have been me showing my
fist
1278 [14:04:24] <jelly> #debian-offtopic is that way
PinkBellyNagger ->
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1281 [14:04:45] <jelly> keep this channel for tech issues
1282 [14:05:04] <PinkBellyNagger> I only have an issue with
systmed
1283 [14:05:36] <PinkBellyNagger> and the sjw kernel mailing list
stuff.
1284 [14:05:49] <PinkBellyNagger> I'm not fixing any more
bugs
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1295 [14:14:57] <zChris> Hello, my brother had Stretch but
upgraded to butcher. Now screenfetch says that the driver for X is
llvmpipe, and in xorg nvidia cant load glx module.
1296 [14:15:10] <nyov> butcher xD
1297 [14:15:31] <zChris> Buster :P
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1299 [14:16:40] <nyov> probably a question for #debian-next
1300 [14:17:17] <zChris> alright off i go!
1301 [14:17:27] <jelly> !debian-next
1302 [14:17:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1303 [14:17:32] <zChris> invitation only :P
1304 [14:17:37] <zChris> aha
1305 [14:17:43] <zChris> oftc.net :(
1306 [14:17:51] <jelly> important piece of info that, yes
1307 [14:18:15] <jelly> also you need an account with OFTC
NickServ to speak
1308 [14:18:29] <rgr> and there's never anyone there ;)
1309 [14:18:58] <jelly> except some 300 idle people
1310 [14:19:13] <zChris> well we can treat this problem as a
regular debian problem :PÅ
1311 [14:20:16] <jelly> not really, because the regular solution
is "use regular kernel and regular nvidia-kernel-dkms that
actually work together on stretch"
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1313 [14:20:55] <zChris> alright, how can he downgrade to strecth?
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1315 [14:22:12] <jelly> can't be done, restore the whole
system from a backup done before release upgrade to buster
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1317 [14:22:53] <nyov> well, downgrading packages manually is
possible, but there is no such thing as release downgrade
1318 [14:23:03] <zChris> i found this
replaced-url
1319 [14:23:06] <zChris> perhaps that will help
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1322 [14:24:43] <nyov> looks like something to test
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1325 [14:26:41] <nyov> woohoo, I finally managed to get rid of
those ugly round gitlab avatar icons :D
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1327 [14:27:27] <PinkBellyNagger> Hey I'm here to hepl pm me
if you like a good strong word on how to fix your system.
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1329 [14:28:15] <jelly> zChris: that's just for the kernel,
not the whole OS
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1331 [14:28:56] <jelly> zChris: there's no simple way to
downgrade. Reinstall is a sane option.
1332 [14:29:17] <phogg> zChris: you might be able to downgrade
very carefully one package at a time. Maybe. It's really not
supported and you have a better than even chance of rendering the
system unusable.
1333 [14:29:55] <jelly> the insane option that will take a couple
hours of your life away:
1334 [14:29:58] <jelly> !partial downgrade
1335 [14:29:59] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if
you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list
(b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded
packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the
same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing
"b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no
more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
1336 [14:30:19] <jelly> and when things still aren't 100%
you're going to want to reinstall anyway
1337 [14:30:25] <V7> Just save all configurations and fully
reinstall
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1340 [14:32:00] <at0m> V7: no db's? no /var/lib? );
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1342 [14:32:42] <V7> of course, +dbs
1343 [14:32:54] <V7> All sentitive data
1344 [14:32:55] <nyov> I think the SO answer looks superior to
dpkg's factoid. I'd try that first
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1356 [14:38:45] <deicide-> what was the website to paste logs
1357 [14:39:25] <jelly> nyov: that factoid is not complete, one
would also want to /msg dpkg not available (which is not taken care
of in either of the answers at that SO link)
1358 [14:39:28] <jelly> !paste
1359 [14:39:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1360 [14:39:34] <deicide-> thx
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1377 [14:53:21] <isaki_> hi
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1416 [15:32:30] <isaki_> jj
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1440 [15:43:46] <isaki_> hii
1441 [15:43:51] <khalop> hello
1442 [15:44:00] <isaki_> nuuc
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1444 [15:44:06] <khalop> sorry
1445 [15:44:20] <isaki_> ok
1446 [15:44:29] <V7> Thank you very much
1447 [15:44:37] <khalop> thanks all
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1458 [15:54:15] <linux_user> Hello all!
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1462 [15:55:41] <linux_user> I am going to install Debian and I am
curious how reasonable it might be to install Debian with full disk
encryption yet placing the boot MBR and /boot partition on a USB
stick, so if I pull out the USB stick the system becomes unbeatable?
I also intend to keep an encryption key on the USB stick and modify
the boot script so I can boot it without tying in the luks password
1463 [15:55:45] <linux_user> what say anyone on that?
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1466 [15:56:11] <linux_user> tying=typing
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1473 [16:03:19] <cnx> hi i've just installed debian buster
xfce on my new machine and wifi doesnot show up
1474 [16:04:41] <cnx> the card is realtek rtl8822be and i've
installed the firmware-realtek
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1476 [16:07:44] <at0m> cnx: and you've determined the right
interface for wireless? often something like wlx01234567abcdef
1477 [16:08:11] <at0m> cnx: and for buster,
irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next
1478 [16:08:31] <cnx> default installation doesn't have
ifconfig, but ip link shows only lo and ethernet
1479 [16:09:02] <at0m> the card is rtl8822be as per lsusb/lspci ?
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1482 [16:09:41] <cnx> yep it does show up on lspci correctly
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1484 [16:10:51] <cnx> now since the dawn of user-friendly
gnu/linux desktop, i have no idea how to debug wifi problem :-(
1485 [16:11:43] <cnx> oh, one other thing, thee installer however
doesn't recognize the card/didn't ask for firmware package
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1488 [16:13:08] <at0m> cnx: buster isnt here.
1489 [16:13:14] <at0m> dpkg: tell cnx about testing
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1493 [16:16:43] <cnx> at0m: i'm really sorry but i'm on
ubuntu budgie live right now (that's the only live media
i've got left) and not sure how to connect the really irc
protocol
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1497 [16:19:00] <cnx> oh i think i still have my old machine
1498 [16:19:32] <at0m> cnx: irc protocol? what are you using now?
replaced-url
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1501 [16:21:00] <at0m> cnx: you /are/ on irc, just not the right
network for testing support. if you use a local client, just
/connect irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-next
1502 [16:21:09] <cnx> thank you, i thought oftc only provide plain
irc, heading to that now
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1509 [16:25:30] <rgr> what do you mean plain irc?
1510 [16:26:16] <at0m> i think irc:// uri got them confused
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1560 [17:16:11] <booyah> in xterm after inactivity the screen gets
locked in some stupid way: I am back at the user login prompt. how
to stop this?
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1562 [17:18:53] <cnx> how to create network interface for wifi
card?
1563 [17:19:41] <BCMM> cnx: you know you're still on
freenode, right?
1564 [17:19:42] <cnx> i have a rtl8822be which is recognized by
lspci, firmware installed but doesn't show up on iw
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1566 [17:20:02] <cnx> BCMM: what do you mean?
1567 [17:20:34] <BCMM> well it's quiet here today, and about
the last thing that happened on this channel was you getting
directed to oftc
1568 [17:20:49] <BCMM> sorry
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1571 [17:21:38] <BCMM> cnx: is this about the same machine you
mentioned on #debian-next? you don't "create" network
interfaces for network devices. if the device and the driver are
working properly, the interfaces just appear
1572 [17:21:53] <cnx> yes it is
1573 [17:22:05] <cnx> so what is the problem do you think
1574 [17:22:21] <BCMM> cnx: anything in dmesg|grep firmware?
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1579 [17:25:09] <cnx> sorry it took a while since i cannot recover
from sleeping on that machine (damn)
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1583 [17:25:43] <cnx> dmesg | grep firmware only mention the gpu,
bluetooth and ethernet
1584 [17:26:08] <cnx> but the radio card rtl8822be is for both
bluetooth and wifi
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1594 [17:29:13] <cnx> BCMM: normally how is the interface created?
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1597 [17:30:45] <BCMM> cnx: i mean, i guess the driver just
creates it when it gets loaded?
1598 [17:31:02] <BCMM> cnx: what kernel version are you on?
1599 [17:31:12] <cnx> i'm on 4.18
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1601 [17:31:33] <cnx> on fedora same kernel ver and wifi works
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1603 [17:31:52] <BCMM> well, distros patch stuff sometimes. but
this should work from 4.14, upstream...
1604 [17:33:15] <tw> Is there a way to get sudo to parse arguments
as a vector and not flatten to a string?
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1606 [17:33:24] <cnx> how could you find out that it should work
since 4.14
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1609 [17:33:46] <BCMM> cnx: google.
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1611 [17:34:17] <cnx> also BCMM, it only doesn't work on
Debian, Ubuntu and openSUSE work too
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1613 [17:35:15] <cnx> i think i will try to compile to vanila
kernel
1614 [17:36:16] <cnx> does debian provide any guide for compiling
kernel or we just do it and it won't be touched by dpkg?
1615 [17:36:16] <BCMM> cnx: you could also check if debian's
kernel is built with CONFIG_R8822BE
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1618 [17:37:24] <Fenwick17> Hello, I am trying to install steam on
my new Debian 9 build however running into an error, I have followed
replaced-url
1619 [17:37:29] <BCMM> looks like no. it also looks like it's
still a staging driver - perhaps debian has a different policy on
those than fedora
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1622 [17:38:17] <cnx> /boot/config* says CONFIG_R8822BE is not set
1623 [17:38:25] <cnx> what should I do
1624 [17:39:11] <BCMM> cnx: building your own kernel looks like
valid option actually
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1627 [17:39:37] <BCMM> you don't need to go to vanilla,
though - you could just build debian's kernel with the config
changed
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1629 [17:39:56] <Fenwick17> I have tried to install
libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 and ibgl1-mesa-glx:i386 to see if that makes
the steam install happy, but unfortunately not
1630 [17:40:26] <cnx> BCMM: lemme do some research and see
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1632 [17:42:25] <cnx> Fenwick17: which GPU do you have
1633 [17:42:47] <Fenwick17> cnx GTX 1080
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1636 [17:43:47] <Fenwick17> Currently using Nvidia 390.87 drivers
1637 [17:45:01] <cnx> it may have sth to do with the notice (the
orange triangle sign)
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1639 [17:45:25] <cnx> steam pull lib-mesa-* which conflict with
your current one
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1641 [17:46:07] <Fenwick17> Is there a way around that, or do I
need to find the appropriate driver version for whatever steam
wants?
1642 [17:47:31] <Fenwick17> Though I have seen for Stream Proton
stuff you need 396 drivers
1643 [17:47:34] <cnx> i can't tell if this works, but have
you tried to install libgl1-nvidia-glx for i396
1644 [17:48:47] <cnx> *i386
1645 [17:48:48] <Fenwick17> I have ran sudo apt-get install
libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 but that returned more unment dependency
issues. Related to Depends: nvidia-alternative:i386 (= 384.130-1)
and Depends: libnvidia-glcore:i386 (= 384.130-1) but 390.87-2~bpo9+1
is to be installed
1646 [17:49:02] <Fenwick17> Recommends: nvidia-kernel-dkms:i386 (=
384.130-1) or nvidia-kernel-384.130:i386
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1650 [17:53:01] <Alexey__> Всем привет!
1651 [17:53:21] <at0m> !ru
1652 [17:53:21] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net)
(Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
1653 [17:55:14] <cnx> Fenwick17: you may want to post that on
/r/debian or wait for another time, today it's really quite
here
1654 [17:55:38] <Fenwick17> cnx: No problem, I will do that :)
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1689 [18:15:45] <hexhaxtron> I want to run Debian on a USB Flash
Stick as a complete system with which I can install new packages,
keep personal files... Can someone pinpoint me to a webpage?
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1692 [18:17:29] <ArlequInOut> sure,
replaced-url
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1700 [18:23:01] <JNash_DMIS> Anyone very good setting up bridging
on Debian Stretch for KVM? I am struggling.
1701 [18:23:42] <JNash_DMIS> Maybe point me to a legit "How
To" site...?
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1726 [18:39:28] <akko> a
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1728 [18:40:23] <RoyK> b
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1735 [18:44:50] <jelly> akko: is everything alright over there?
Your last 5 lines were complete noise.
1736 [18:45:12] <jelly> (5 lines over 4 days, but still noise)
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1740 [18:45:53] <akko> jelly: sorry
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1742 [18:46:54] <JNash_DMIS> anyone strong with kvm?
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1746 [18:47:19] <RoyK> o/
1747 [18:47:27] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: I know a fair bit
1748 [18:48:05] <JNash_DMIS> nice. are you aware of any "how
to" sites that are accurate? I am running debian 9 stretch and
need to enable bridging
1749 [18:48:11] <JNash_DMIS> i am struggling
1750 [18:48:34] <RoyK> bridging is rather simple, really
1751 [18:48:54] <JNash_DMIS> that is what I remember, but for some
reason, I am struggling
1752 [18:49:23] <JNash_DMIS> wasnt there a change a a year or so
ago to how networking was handled?
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1755 [18:50:48] <JNash_DMIS> here is what I have tried that is
failing, auto eno1 iface eno1 inet manual then iface br0 inet static
followed by the specifics
1756 [18:51:03] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: something like this
replaced-url
1757 [18:51:08] <RoyK> that's my config
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1759 [18:51:29] <RoyK> just replace the interface names with your
own - and the addresses etc - and you shold be game
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1763 [18:51:50] <JNash_DMIS> ah, maybe i need static instead of
manual
1764 [18:51:54] <JNash_DMIS> thanks
1765 [18:52:00] <JNash_DMIS> i will give it a try now
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1767 [18:52:19] <RoyK> manual is used for ipv6, static for ipv4 -
it's a bit confusing
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1777 [18:56:16] <JNash_DMIS> got it
1778 [18:56:20] <JNash_DMIS> rebooting now
1779 [18:56:27] <JNash_DMIS> fingers crossed
1780 [18:56:39] <RoyK> good luck ;)
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1784 [18:56:55] <JNash_DMIS> thx
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1789 [18:58:26] <JNash_DMIS> on boot, i get an error "failed
to raise network interfaces"
1790 [18:58:49] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: what does "ip link
list" have to say?
1791 [18:58:57] <JNash_DMIS> standby 1
1792 [18:59:12] <RoyK> any chance to pastebin that?
1793 [18:59:16] <RoyK> or a pic
1794 [18:59:25] <JNash_DMIS> lo, eno1, eno2... no br0 listed
1795 [18:59:36] <JNash_DMIS> this is a new dell r330 server
1796 [18:59:39] <RoyK> is bridge-utils installed?
1797 [18:59:58] <RoyK> pastebin /etc/network/interfaces as well
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1799 [19:00:21] <JNash_DMIS> yes, bridge-utils installed
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1801 [19:00:40] <JNash_DMIS> i dont understand pastebin
1802 [19:00:46] <RoyK> JNash_DMIS: which debian version is this?
1803 [19:00:50] <RoyK> !pastebin
1804 [19:00:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1805 [19:00:51] <RoyK> !pastebinit
1806 [19:00:59] <JNash_DMIS> ah, got it
1807 [19:01:22] <JNash_DMIS> standby
1808 [19:01:46] <RoyK> ifup br0
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1810 [19:02:02] <RoyK> I need to see the config before I can debug
this further
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1812 [19:02:40] <JNash_DMIS> debian 9.5
1813 [19:03:02] <RoyK> paste the interfaces file somewhere like
pastebin
1814 [19:03:13] <JNash_DMIS> unknown interface
1815 [19:03:16] <RoyK> and full output of "ip link list"
1816 [19:03:24] <JNash_DMIS> ok
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1818 [19:03:38] <warai_otoko> what can I do when I can't
compile my kernel on Debian Jessie:
1819 [19:03:41] <warai_otoko> debian/ruleset/local.mk:102: recipe
for target 'kernel-headers' failed
1820 [19:03:53] <RoyK> apt install kernel-headers ?
1821 [19:04:05] <warai_otoko> system complains also about
REPORTING-BUGS not found :-/
1822 [19:04:22] <RoyK> not sure - google it
1823 [19:04:39] <warai_otoko> isn't kernel-headers what
I'm trying to build??
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1826 [19:05:27] <warai_otoko> it breaks explicitly when building
these
1827 [19:05:33] <jelly> warai_otoko: investigate why it failed?
How are you building?
1828 [19:05:43] <jelly> make deb-pkg ?
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1830 [19:06:03] <warai_otoko> some people suggest touch
REPORTING-BUGS but where should this file reside?
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1832 [19:06:39] <jelly> root of the kernel source
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1834 [19:07:11] <jelly> warai_otoko: but which kernel are you
trying to build and how exactly are you doing it
1835 [19:07:15] <jelly> !ask
1836 [19:07:16] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1837 [19:07:18] <warai_otoko> jelly: ok, then wish me luck because
that's what I tried 👍
1838 [19:07:28] <JNash_DMIS> collecting the info now
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1840 [19:08:03] <jelly> warai_otoko: add some verbosity and retry
if it fails again
1841 [19:08:03] <JNash_DMIS> Royk: collecting info now
1842 [19:08:09] <RoyK> ok
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1844 [19:08:18] <_2E0LNX> Q: Which is the correct channel to join
to discuss installing Debian on a GuruPlug (armel) ?
1845 [19:09:39] <RoyK> _2E0LNX: #linux-arm, perhaps
1846 [19:09:43] <jelly> _2E0LNX: there's a #debian-arm over
on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) but be patient
1847 [19:10:17] <_2E0LNX> thank you both, I'll check in with
those two
1848 [19:10:23] * RoyK rebuilt a guruplug by removing the motherboard
and replacing it with an orange pi ;)
1849 [19:11:04] <jelly> I think I have a dozen *pi boards around,
none working well
1850 [19:11:09] <_2E0LNX> that's not exactly
"rebuild" is it?
1851 [19:11:14] <RoyK> the old system was bricked and I lacked the
cables - this one works now
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1855 [19:12:11] <RoyK> jelly: what whas the issue with those
boards? I have several in production - works well, both at home for
certain fun stuff and rpi for infoscreens
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1858 [19:15:18] <jelly> there's a serious pebcak with each
one
1859 [19:16:04] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK:
replaced-url
1860 [19:16:33] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: The interface came up now.
Strange. Possibly my typing.
1861 [19:18:16] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: Now onto nameservers
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1872 [19:27:00] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK: Thanks for you help. I
appreciate it.
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1877 [19:27:36] <JNash_DMIS> RoyK, Thanks
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1887 [19:40:56] <deepfreez> Hi, I have a project in github, how I
find people to check my project and do some pull request?
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1889 [19:42:03] <SwedeMike> deepfreez: what is the project about?
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1891 [19:42:31] <SwedeMike> deepfreez: pull requests come from
people who are interested in what you're doing and who want to
enhance it.
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1893 [19:44:13] <deepfreez> SwedeMike, a tool to notify the
clients if is a incident or something goes wrong with a part of a
software :
replaced-url
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1902 [19:50:15] <deepfreez> ah. right now I see in what channel i
asked this question:D pfff it was for github channel, sorry.
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1975 [20:41:15] <Psyndrome> If i want to install windows over
debian this will destroy the grub loader right?
1976 [20:42:24] <Psyndrome> I mean is there a safe way to do a
dualboot without destroying this boot system
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1980 [20:45:31] <KdeKris> Anyone know where I can find the
net-tools and wireless-tools packages for side loading onto Bodhi
Linux 5.0?
1981 [20:46:17] <Javabean> personally my dual boot setup(win7 and
debian kde) involves having 2 different drives and switching the
cables between them to choose which os to use, Psyndrome
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1984 [20:47:11] <KdeKris> The drivers are installed, it shows the
wireless card is recognized, but "lshw -C network" shows
it's disabled, even though it shows enabled in the toolbar at
the bottom.
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1993 [20:49:17] <Psyndrome> Sounds good but unfortunately my
second drive is showing 0% health and it does not allow me to
install windows or may be whatever it is
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1995 [20:49:29] <Psyndrome> Im just using it for information
1996 [20:49:57] <Psyndrome> with disabled warnings from smart
system to be able to boot the system
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2000 [20:51:43] <at0m> KdeKris: see /topic #bodhilinux - tl;dr
support via their discord server
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2002 [20:52:00] <Javabean> i would say to buy a really rather
cheap SSD for windows's boot drive. been there done that. and
switch the drives like i suggested already. i realise this is an
extra cost on top of the rediculous price for windows, but
ssd's are really rather cheap lately
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2004 [20:53:12] <KdeKris> Thank you at0m I tried #bodhi, but it
was dead. I didn't think to try a different channel
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2007 [20:54:02] <at0m> KdeKris: to search channels on freenode,
/msg alis help
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2010 [20:54:18] <at0m> i did /msg alis list bodhi
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2012 [20:55:01] <KdeKris> awesome, thanks for the tip
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2017 [21:00:01] <Psyndrome> thanks for the advices
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2030 [21:04:47] <litb> hello all
2031 [21:05:01] <litb> why can't i use "apt-get
upgrade", but *can* use "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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2033 [21:05:51] <rudi_s> litb: "can use"?
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2037 [21:06:41] <litb> see
replaced-url
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2039 [21:06:54] <litb> upgrade gives those errors, but
dist-upgrade works
2040 [21:07:12] <litb> i thought upgrade means "update the
system, but don't install new software"
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2042 [21:07:25] <litb> and dist-uprade is "upgrade, but also
install new software if needed"
2043 [21:07:44] <litb> however, the error messages indicate that
only package upgrades are needed, but are forbidden. no new software
needed
2044 [21:07:56] <litb> so I don't understand what's
wrong
2045 [21:07:59] <litb> (debian unstable)
2046 [21:08:06] <n4dir> plonk
2047 [21:08:51] <at0m> dpkg: tell litb about sid
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2051 [21:09:42] <litb> at0m, thanks
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2053 [21:10:12] <annadane> so there's a few different things
going on here. if you run sid (and btw the channel for testing/sid
is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) you need to be aware of the concept
of package transitions which this probably is. often you just need
to wait. in general, though, some manual package intervention may be
required
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2055 [21:10:38] <litb> sorry about asking for sid here..
wasn't aware
2056 [21:10:50] <annadane> !tell litb about bat
2057 [21:10:53] <n4dir> and you sure will have to know how
packagemanagement works.
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2059 [21:11:04] <annadane> if you're unsure, paste that
output dpkg asks for in the channel i mentioned
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2061 [21:12:07] <litb> n4dir, hope i'm not yet in your
killfile :)
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2063 [21:12:15] <annadane> also, check the tracker.
tracker.debian.org
2064 [21:12:43] <annadane> in my estimation it's *probably* a
transition but i'm not certain
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2067 [21:13:53] <n4dir> litb: you are not. I found no better way
to tell you that if you ask that, then debian *unstable* is not for
you.
2068 [21:14:07] <n4dir> nearly fell of my chair :-)
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2072 [21:15:24] <annadane> i'll refrain from telling people
to not use sid if they're already on sid but yeah, anyone using
sid should be prepared for held back packages and transitions and
the bugs that result which could be anything from a minor annoyance
to the display server not starting
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2074 [21:16:04] <annadane> 99% of the time it works fine but if
one wants a totally hassle free experience and is on a computer
valuable to their work stable is preferred
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2076 [21:16:27] <annadane> (but you'd have to reinstall.
debian doesn't support downgrades like that)
2077 [21:16:39] <litb> i'm just not yet familiar with debian
things. if things break or don't work, i'll be able to fix
it. just like right now.
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2079 [21:16:48] <litb> i'm all for "learning by
doing"
2080 [21:17:08] <annadane> sure. just have backups of your work
and be prepared for downtime sometimes
2081 [21:17:23] <annadane>
replaced-url
2082 [21:17:31] <RoyK> !dontbrakdebian
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2085 [21:17:57] <RoyK> dpkg: don't break debian
2086 [21:17:57] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is
replaced-url
2087 [21:17:59] <annadane> the dontbreakdebian thing doesn't
really apply if they're on pure sid
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2091 [21:18:34] <RoyK> annadane: Sid is the kid that breaks toys,
remember?
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2094 [21:19:23] <annadane> still doesn't apply with regard to
that page
2095 [21:19:25] <n4dir> it breaks for other reasons than the ones
mentioned in the don't-break-debian factoid.
2096 [21:19:48] <RoyK> doesn't matter - use stable if you
want something stable
2097 [21:20:01] <n4dir> and like annadane said: if at all. In my
experience sid is way more stable than quite some other distros out
there. And sure more stable than a frankendebian.
2098 [21:20:56] <n4dir> usually hits you if you got no time at
all, though :-)
2099 [21:20:59] <litb> some of that apply perfectly also to sid.
like "don't use make install" (at least not with
--prefix=/usr)
2100 [21:21:00] <RoyK> n4dir: Sid is fine so long as you know
it's clinically unstable ;)
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2103 [21:21:53] <annadane> it can be a fine desktop as long as you
make provisions for not being able sometimes to have 100% of your
system work and you're somewhat familiar with the internals
like package management. it's bad if you need reliability, as i
said
2104 [21:22:27] <RoyK> litb: hehe - make install with
--prefix=/usr is a good way to fuck things up
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2106 [21:24:06] <n4dir> people told me what they always say. I
(using computers for very short) thought: oh, fun. Let's have a
look how quick i can break it. Did it in VBox. Didn't break,
and i endet running Sid for quite some years. Had to recover from
backup once, at minimum twice. But that is not a general case: might
just have been luck
2107 [21:24:19] <n4dir> that is: still doesn't make it: yeah,
go for it. No problems.
2108 [21:24:37] <annadane> one thing about the dontbreakdebian
page is important, though, the fact that if you want new software
you don't need testing/unstable necessarily.
replaced-url
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2110 [21:25:21] <annadane> (as in, if you need one specific
application which is newer, that's a bad reason to use sid. if
you want all new stuff and are prepared for breakage, then fine)
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2113 [21:25:55] <annadane> testing/unstable users are still
valuable to the community, as they contribute bug reports and
patches
2114 [21:26:09] <annadane> !tell litb about newcomer
2115 [21:27:41] <at0m> annadane: i agree, but litb is in for a
ride if they don't even know basic ~standard operation, let
alone buglists or workarounds
2116 [21:27:50] <annadane> i agree
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2119 [21:28:28] <n4dir> the sledgehammer approach :-)
2120 [21:28:49] <annadane> package transitions and how to work
around them is a must-know if one wants to run debian unstable (and
to a somewhat lesser extent testing)
2121 [21:29:06] <litb> i've already installed that buglist
plugin for apt
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2125 [21:29:27] <at0m> litb: that lists only the /known/ bugs
:>
2126 [21:29:42] <at0m> but it's a good start :)
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2128 [21:30:49] <at0m> litb: and indeed, i see you're in
#debian-next, if you have time to idle there you'll see the
most common quirks pass on by
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2130 [21:31:16] <annadane> (also, IMO, for general use cases
it's a hassle to run newer versions of debian anyway. stable is
nice because you can afford to be lazy with updates, the system
doesn't change suddenly from underneath you_
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2134 [21:32:15] <at0m> "why does 'su' eat my
$PATH" was quite popular recently :)
2135 [21:32:35] <n4dir> on sid or testing i wouldn't upgrade
less than once a week, rathe more often. annadane
2136 [21:32:52] <litb> this appears to describe the "package
transitions" that you warn me about:
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2137 [21:32:54] <n4dir> i usually did it after login and before
logout
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2142 [21:35:19] <annadane> i'm still having screen blanking
on i3 (which i'd like to turn off). i have in my .xsession:
xset s off && xset -dpms but it doesn't seem to do the
trick
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2154 [21:41:01] <annadane> i know there's a wiki page on the
order in which the config files are read on startup but i don't
remember what it is
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2169 [21:48:02] <gkgk> hii
2170 [21:48:09] <herotoda13> hello
2171 [21:49:20] <litb> annadane, maybe the logind session-property
"IdleAction" is set to something that blanks the screen
after some time?
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2175 [21:51:32] <JNash_DMIS> anyone know how to configure DNS
nameservers statically on Debian 9.5 Stretch running XFCE? I have
read the Debian Wiki and still cant get it to work. It seems that
NetworkManager is the issue.
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2177 [21:52:07] <pongo1> hii alll
2178 [21:52:29] <theraspberry> hiya!
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2183 [21:53:13] <annadane> litb, maybe. how do i check?
2184 [21:53:21] <n4dir> annadane: try if this helps, scroll down
to "X sessions"
replaced-url
2185 [21:53:28] <gkgk> check
2186 [21:53:38] <pkpkpk1> it may work
2187 [21:54:34] <litb> annadane, loginctl -a show-session
2188 [21:54:49] <litb> for me, it says
"IdleAction=ignore"
2189 [21:54:56] <annadane> same for me
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2196 [21:58:54] <JNash_DMIS> how do you statically set the
nameservers in Debian 9.5?
2197 [21:59:00] <n4dir> do the xset commands work if you run them
from a terminal emulator after you logged in, annadane ?
2198 [21:59:02] <annadane> ok so according to greycat's wiki
my .xsession is just incorrect, the way i made it
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2200 [21:59:21] <annadane> i don't know, i didn't notice
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2202 [21:59:42] <n4dir> i mean: if that works, just make them
autostart ?
2203 [22:00:05] <annadane> "If you want to run various X
client commands before your window manager or desktop environment is
invoked (for example, xterm & or xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_R
= Multi_key'), you can put them in .xsession before the exec
YourWindowManager line."
2204 [22:00:31] <annadane> so i need to have that line apparently,
now i just need to know how to exec i3, i don't know what name
it goes by
2205 [22:00:58] <annadane> i3.desktop?
2206 [22:00:59] <n4dir> do ls /usr/bin/*i3* ?
2207 [22:01:11] <n4dir> pretty sure it is just "exec i3"
, but ...
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2210 [22:01:44] <n4dir> sometimes you got a templet at
/etc/X11/xinit
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2214 [22:02:57] <annadane>
replaced-url
2215 [22:03:09] <n4dir> thats the spirit.
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2220 [22:04:22] <annadane> if that doesn't work i'll
resort to putting the xset lines in .config/i3/config
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2224 [22:04:45] <annadane> well, no, if that doesn't work
i'll ask here so i learn to do it properly
2225 [22:05:14] <annadane> i think it would work anyway, though
2226 [22:05:46] <n4dir> where is greycat when you need him. Pretty
sure he once explained in long detail what happens when X gets
started (including a display-manager, without display-manager, etc)
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2230 [22:07:00] <annadane> JNash_DMIS, i don't know much
about it but you may find an answer here
replaced-url
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2237 [22:10:42] <annadane> "The default search path (used
when the environment does not contain the variable PATH) shows some
variation across systems. It generally includes /bin and /usr/bin
(in that order) and may also include the current working directory.
(from the exec man page) and ls /usr/bin/*i3* has one entry
/usr/bin/i3
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2243 [22:12:45] <n4dir> then exec i3 should do the job.
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2245 [22:14:31] <n4dir> i yet have to see a wm which doesn't
use /usr/bin for the "exec" part in .xinitrc
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2256 [22:21:25] <annadane> from what i can gather on
w.d.o/NetworkConfiguration the answer is "you can't"
but i thought i've seen discussions of ways to make it static
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2258 [22:23:54] <annadane> JNash_DMIS, sorry. the relevant section
seems to be
replaced-url
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2261 [22:24:33] <Tech_8> hi
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2267 [22:31:51] <format_c> Tech_8: hi
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2274 [22:34:05] <newbsduser> hello guys, I have a rtsp:// live
stream url. I want to check video output for this stream is healthy
or not? How can I do that?
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2288 [22:41:46] <format_c> newbsduser: vlc understands nearly
everything
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2291 [22:43:54] <newbsduser> format_c: how can use vlc on the
command line for that purpose? I dont want to play rtsp
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2293 [22:44:32] <litb> in my experience, vlc option processing on
command line is confusing
2294 [22:44:35] <litb> i recommend "mpv"
2295 [22:44:41] <Thedarkb-T60> Hey, I keep changing my DNS to
google DNS because there's a DNS outage here in Ireland.
2296 [22:44:55] <newbsduser> if you can share an example, I will
appreciate
2297 [22:45:08] <Thedarkb-T60> But when I put my laptop to sleep
and wake it up, it deletes the 8.8.8.8 entry.
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2301 [22:47:53] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: did you do the ip address
ad dhcp or static, then just do the dns static to google?
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2303 [22:48:00] <Tech_8> and*
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2305 [22:48:10] <Tech_8> or*
2306 [22:48:11] <Thedarkb-T60> I used the network settings tool.
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2308 [22:48:34] <Thedarkb-T60> I just added the 8.8.8.8 entry to
the list.
2309 [22:48:47] <Tech_8> ;like for ip settings did you choose
static ip address for the pc, then put the DNS. Or did you do dhcp
for the computer and static DNS?
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2311 [22:50:12] <Tech_8> if you did dhcp for ip for computer then
put a static dns. Then maybe you can try static for the computer
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2313 [22:50:52] <Tech_8> cause if it set to dhcp, maybe its
erasing it
2314 [22:51:48] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, I didn't chose a
static IP, no.
2315 [22:51:59] <Tech_8> try doing it all static for the computer
2316 [22:52:09] <Thedarkb-T60> I have a dynamic IP though.
2317 [22:52:18] <Tech_8> oh
2318 [22:52:26] <Thedarkb-T60> and I have no choice in the matter.
2319 [22:52:30] <Thedarkb-T60> I have an incompetent ISP.
2320 [22:52:32] <Tech_8> im not sure then
2321 [22:52:44] <Tech_8> maybe a bug in debian
2322 [22:53:18] <n4dir> I do it from the routers web interface.
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2324 [22:55:22] <bites> Thedarkb-T60: are you using
networkmanager? nm will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf. a hacky way to
prevent this is to chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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2326 [22:57:08] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, I'm using network-admin
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2328 [22:57:28] <Thedarkb-T60> My router's too locked down to
support that n4dir
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2331 [23:00:52] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: there might be a router
setting to set dns
2332 [23:01:20] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, It's a Zyxel running
custom firmware that forbids it.
2333 [23:01:41] <Tech_8> oh
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2340 [23:02:47] <bites> so, try what i suggested? change
resolv.conf to what you need then make it immutable.
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2343 [23:03:51] <bites> make sure that whatever that network-admin
thing is you are using didn't create a symlink to
/etc/resolv.conf
2344 [23:05:30] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, will do.
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2346 [23:06:24] <Thedarkb-T60> # Generated by NetworkManager
2347 [23:06:24] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver 192.168.1.254
2348 [23:06:25] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver
fe80::1e74:dff:fe10:d764%wls3
2349 [23:06:25] <Thedarkb-T60> nameserver 8.8.8.8
2350 [23:06:25] <rant> newbsduser: try rtmpdump perhaps
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2352 [23:06:33] <rant> ,i rtmpdump
2353 [23:06:34] <judd> Package rtmpdump (web, extra) in
stretch/amd64: small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP
protocol. Version: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; Size: 50.1k;
Installed: 142k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2354 [23:06:38] <Thedarkb-T60> That's my /etc/resolve.conf
bites
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2356 [23:07:00] <rant> or mplayer for that matter.. both work on
the command line
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2358 [23:07:10] <Thedarkb-T60> I tried to make it all inverted but
the carriage returns messed up the formatting.
2359 [23:07:28] <bites> make sure it's not a symlink. if it
is, delete it, create a new file with just the nameserver entry you
want.
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2361 [23:07:51] <bites> then do the chattr +i thing.
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2375 [23:21:22] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, chattr: Operation not
supported while reading flags on resolv.conf
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2378 [23:21:44] <bites> told you to check if it's a symlink.
2379 [23:22:07] <bites> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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2382 [23:22:59] <Thedarkb-T60> bites, Oh, you're right.
2383 [23:23:26] <Thedarkb-T60> I thought it would show up on ls -a
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2389 [23:29:09] <Thedarkb-T60> Thank you bites, worked perfectly.
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2391 [23:29:40] <Tech_8> Thedarkb-T60: does it stil do it when you
put it to sleep?
2392 [23:29:54] <Thedarkb-T60> Tech_8, nope
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2394 [23:30:05] <Tech_8> nice
2395 [23:30:06] <bites> great. don't forget to chattr -i when
you want to give control back to nm.
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2402 [23:34:59] <p3rror> Hello
2403 [23:35:21] <format_c> Hello p3rror
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2405 [23:35:35] <p3rror> How is going?
2406 [23:35:46] <p3rror> It seems that it is a long time that I
did not been there
2407 [23:35:59] <p3rror> I lost my laptop and been disconnected
for a while
2408 [23:36:14] <format_c> same for me every time I'm here
:-D
2409 [23:36:39] <p3rror> = )
2410 [23:37:02] <p3rror> Well it is time to work hard now and
restore all jobs that been done before
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2414 [23:37:28] <format_c> p3rror: oh yeah I can imagine
2415 [23:38:15] <p3rror> I don't like slack any more, I
rather to be always in front of my prefered xchat interfaces
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2423 [23:44:58] <Rboreal_Frippery> I am making a plugin for a
program that I would like to distribute in the easiest way for
users. It is basically some files and a script that needs to be run,
and nont of it requires root access. is there any kind of equivalent
to a .DEB for non-root installations, or is the best way still to
just provide copy and run script instructions?
2424 [23:45:17] <Rboreal_Frippery> (the only installation is to
the users home folder)
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2427 [23:47:32] <annadane> just provide copy + instructions is
best IMO
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2430 [23:50:06] <annadane> Rboreal_Frippery, or if you do want to
package for debian, feel free... it might help people
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2432 [23:53:39] <jhutchins> Rboreal_Frippery: Might be interesting
to learn the process.
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2435 [23:54:10] <annadane> if the program is already in debian, a
plugin for it would be well served in the repository
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