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4 [00:01:51] <jhutchins> aexl: is that a debian pacrkage?
5 [00:02:05] <jhutchins> paul`: What did you try to do? How did
you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened
instead?
6 [00:02:22] <jhutchins> paul`: What release are you using?
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10 [00:03:16] <aexl> jhutchins: yes,
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11 [00:03:38] <jhutchins> paul`: What flavor of gnome?
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15 [00:04:24] <jhutchins> aexl:
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20 [00:05:37] <jmcnaught> aexl: at the end of your paste it says
to rename/remove directconnect.ini.tmp, did you try that?
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22 [00:06:38] <aexl> yes, i did that and also commented the line
with the ipblock. also, this "log" was created 1 week, 4
days ago
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24 [00:07:49] <aexl> oh wait
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31 [00:10:44] <aexl> runs. sorry for the noise. why does service
mldonkey-server restart work but not service mldonkey-server start?
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107 [01:03:53] <zzz98> If you don't cum while watching this
video "Lisey Sweet's Country Ass 4th of July Party With
Her Stepdad", I will pay you $100.00 --->
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115 [01:06:26] <crn> the gddrescue package for debian 9 does not
seem to contain the gddrescue executeable. am i correct in this?
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118 [01:06:59] <cheapie> crn: I think the binary itself is called
"ddrescue"
119 [01:07:11] <cheapie> Don't ask me why the package name
has a G *shrug*
120 [01:07:33] <Guest48>
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121 [01:07:42] <crn> cheapie ah. thanks
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131 [01:14:37] <crn> cheapie thx. the last paragraph of aptitude
show gddrescue explains this weirdness.
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133 [01:15:28] <cheapie> Used to, yeah. It doesn't any more
so it should probably be changed :P
134 [01:16:09] <cheapie> (the other package, that is - it seems
to no longer exist)
135 [01:17:45] <crn> right. now i'll put it to work. thx
again.
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141 [01:22:04] <aexl> "the last paragraph of aptitude show
gddrescue explains this weirdness" which is?
142 [01:22:26] <nonedead> Any advice on setting ip addresses in
/etc/networ/interfaces
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145 [01:23:18] <jmcnaught> nonedead: what kind of advice are you
looking for?
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150 [01:24:02] <nonedead> I can get a single ip address to work
on the interface but when I try to add more than one ip address on
the interface it doesn't work, I knew how to when the
interfaces were called eth0 but with the new naming convention I got
nothing
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153 [01:27:05] <jmcnaught> nonedead: are you doing separate
stanzas for each address?
154 [01:27:34] <nonedead> I have tried with no success
155 [01:28:08] <dvs> yeah, virtual interfaces used to be like
eth0:0. What do you use now?
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157 [01:28:34] <nonedead> eth0 for me is now enp4s0
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159 [01:29:22] <jmcnaught> nonedead: are you doing it like this?
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162 [01:31:14] <nonedead> I was doing it in the legacy method
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164 [01:32:03] <jmcnaught> nonedead: or see also the final
paragraph of the INTERFACE DEFINITIONS in the interfaces man page
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171 [01:41:00] <wald0> i have 280 mb used in /var/li/apt/lists/,
is there a way to make it smaller?
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174 [01:42:57] <wald0> or... how i can configure my apt conf to
not update the Contents packages?
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192 [01:53:07] <alphazulu> will debian ever switch to netplan?
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196 [01:58:48] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: probably not as the
default, but there's a package for it in buster
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206 [02:10:23] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: isn't netplan supposed
to be the future?
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210 [02:13:05] <Gaming4JC> Hi, I just upgraded an older computer
from debian 7 to debian 9. Everything seemed to go well, except now
I can't reboot or shutdown after the upgrade
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212 [02:13:28] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: did you upgrade to Debian 8
first?
213 [02:13:31] <Gaming4JC> I'd rather not hard shutdown the
computer, and running sysctl reboot -i returns "Failed to
connect to bus: No such file or directory"
214 [02:13:49] <aypea[1]> dbus may not be running
215 [02:13:51] <Gaming4JC> jmcnaught: yes I ran dist-upgrade for
debian 8 first
216 [02:14:18] <rant> Gaming4JC: did you reboot after upgrading
to Debian 8?
217 [02:14:26] <Gaming4JC> no, since it didn't work then
either
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221 [02:15:11] <Gaming4JC> and systemctl is unable to
"start" dbus since it doesn't exist
222 [02:15:17] <Gaming4JC> in order to start itself
223 [02:15:21] <aypea[1]> interesting :)
224 [02:15:26] <aypea[1]> try installing it?
225 [02:15:28] <rant> Gaming4JC: well wheezy didnt have systemd
by default and you cant just install systemd and expect to start
using it when you havent booted it yet
226 [02:15:37] <rant> Gaming4JC: use init 6 instead
227 [02:16:04] <Gaming4JC> would a hard reboot cause systemd to
load?
228 [02:16:41] <rant> Gaming4JC: just reboot using the
appropriate method for wheezy and see if you still have problems
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230 [02:16:58] <Gaming4JC> rant: "reboot" and
"shutdown" are "command not found"
231 [02:17:05] <rant> Gaming4JC: if you want, make note of the
sysrq stuff first or remount fs readonly and flush manually
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233 [02:17:09] <aypea[1]> ooh
234 [02:17:15] <rant> do I have to say init again?
235 [02:17:21] <Gaming4JC> alright I'll use init 6
236 [02:17:28] <aypea[1]> install systemd-sysv
237 [02:17:33] <aypea[1]> and dbus
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240 [02:17:48] * rant has been using init 6 and init 0 since potato and
still uses it
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242 [02:18:09] <Gaming4JC> rant: "bash: init: command not
found" not a good sign?
243 [02:18:23] <rant> Gaming4JC: are you root?
244 [02:18:24] <Gaming4JC> yes
245 [02:18:28] <Gaming4JC> (sudo su)
246 [02:19:02] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: making sure that
systemd-sysv and dbus are installed before rebooting is probably a
good idea
247 [02:19:07] <Gaming4JC> ok
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249 [02:20:57] <rant> Gaming4JC: (uname -a;cat
/etc/debian_version;apt policy;cat /var/log/apt/term.log;dpkg -l)|nc
termbin.com 9999
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253 [02:21:43] <aypea[1]> Gaming4JC: and, just to be on the safe
side, double-check that grub is still there =)
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255 [02:22:44] <aypea[1]> (and a kernel to boot into)
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259 [02:25:08] <Gaming4JC> jmcnaught: good catch, since it
appears dbus was missing -
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261 [02:25:25] * aypea[1] grumblemutters.
262 [02:25:39] <Gaming4JC> and it still can't reboot yet of
course.
263 [02:25:47] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: that was aypea[1]'s
catch, I just repeated it :)
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265 [02:25:57] <Gaming4JC> aypea[1]: sorry, thanks :)
266 [02:26:06] <aypea[1]> jmcnaught: :)
267 [02:26:33] <rant> jmcnaught: clearly you aren't a
scientist
268 [02:27:15] <aypea[1]> Gaming4JC: it may not be able to talk
as there's crypto at play. it's also why a dbus update
requires a reboot. what packages from systemd and dbus do you have
installed? can you dump on a paste site? are grub and a kernel
there, also?
269 [02:28:31] * aypea[1] has upgraded servers from
wheezy->jessie->stretch without a hitch, in the one session,
without any reboot, so is curious as to what's going on there.
270 [02:29:01] <rant> yeah, this is why I was asking to see the
apt log and a full pakage listing
271 [02:29:55] <aypea[1]> gah. bbs. :/
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282 [02:38:20] <somiaj> Hmm, for some reason my chromium is no
longer displaying one of google's fonts:
replaced-url
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285 [02:39:34] <somiaj> They show up for just a second, then as
soon as the page loads they disapear.
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287 [02:41:00] <jmcnaught> somiaj: same thing here, after they
disappear all that's left is +, ® and ш
288 [02:41:40] <somiaj> jmcnaught: hmm, wonder who I should
contact about this. Seems strange that it only affects chromium, but
my laptop is the same. These fonts use to work fine (use them on a
webpage I work with alot)
289 [02:42:01] <rant> somiaj:
replaced-url
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291 [02:42:27] <somiaj> rant: is this showing up in chromium for
you? The current security build in stretch?
292 [02:42:36] <rant> buster
293 [02:42:49] <somiaj> So maybe it is an issue with chromium in
stretch?
294 [02:42:51] <somiaj> ,v chromium
295 [02:42:52] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1;
stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1
296 [02:43:01] <jmcnaught> works properly in chromium on buster
here too
297 [02:43:13] <somiaj> though except for the build they are
almost identical versions.
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301 [02:43:33] <phogg> I have just checked with chromium
57.0.2987.98 and it works OK here.
302 [02:43:37] <rant> somiaj: there would be different dependency
versions
303 [02:43:39] <somiaj> They were also working a few days ago,
and there hasn't been a chromium update since march.
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305 [02:44:04] <rant> ,depends chromium stretch
306 [02:44:05] <judd> Package chromium in stretch/amd64 --
depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4),
libatomic1 (>= 4.8), libavcodec57 (>= 7:3.2.12) |
libavcodec-extra57 (>= 7:3.2.12), libavformat57 (>= 7:3.2.12),
libavutil55 (>= 7:3.2.12), libc6 (>= 2.16), libcairo2 (>=
1.2.4), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdrm2
(>= 2.3.1), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libexpat1
(>= 2.0.1), libflac8
307 [02:44:06] <judd> (>= 1.3.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11),
libfreetype6 (>= 2.4.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0),
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8),
libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libicu57 (>= 57.1-1~),
libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1:1.5.1-2), libminizip1 (>= 1.1), libnspr4
(>= 2:4.9-2~), libnss3 (>= 2:3.22), libopenjp2-7 (>=
2.0.0), libopus0 (>= 1.1), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), (2 more messages)
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310 [02:45:40] <somiaj> well thanks for the verrifcation. I
don't have time to deal with this right now, but not sure what
I should file a bug report against. Maybe chromium and let the
matainer work it out.
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312 [02:45:49] <somiaj> (unless someone has time and wants to
submit a bugreport)
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314 [02:45:55] <rant> possible culpraits, libcairo2,
libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libpango-1.0-0, libpangocairo-1.0-0,
or some gtk crap
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318 [02:46:22] <jcb2016> Is there a pdf version or something
interactive to download with the Debian release notes I would like
to view it offline
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320 [02:46:29] <rant> somiaj: what HAS upgraded since it stopped
working?
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323 [02:47:57] <somiaj> jcb2016: yes,
replaced-url
324 [02:48:08] <somiaj> rant: I'll have to figure that out
later, no time. Thanks though.
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340 [02:53:23] <Gaming4JC> well, after hard reboot everything is
functioning as expected. Systemd is installed. :P
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342 [02:53:44] <Gaming4JC> not sure what was going on there, but
at least nothing appears broken
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356 [02:57:51] <rant> Gaming4JC: out of curiousity is
systemd-sysv installed?
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390 [03:22:44] <nt80> I have one connected NIC on Debian (eno1)
and it has various interfaces configured on it, such as eno1.3,
eno.5, vmbr0, etc. I would like to use a jumbro frame, should I set
mtu for all interfaces using eno1 or doing so only for eno1
interface configuration is enough?
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393 [03:28:26] <ksk> nt80: cant you check that easily by setting
it, and then checking?
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396 [03:30:12] <nt80> well, when I set mtu (say 4000) on eno1 ,
all other interfaces use default mtu (1500) so that made me to ask
about it
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403 [03:37:41] <ksk> then Im inclined to say you answered the
question yourself; you have to set it for every alias (or whatever
you call that enoX.Y devices)
404 [03:37:55] <ksk> eh enX.Y
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406 [03:42:24] <nt80> .Y are vlans
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433 [04:04:05] <Henry151> howdy again folks
434 [04:04:14] <Henry151> just dropping in to update you guys
about my server
435 [04:04:29] <dvs> It blew up?
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437 [04:04:40] <somiaj> Still waiting for the raid array to
rebuild itself, or has it been long enough already?
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440 [04:05:16] <Henry151> Virtual Disk 0 has been created using
RAID-1 and two of the physical drives, it's final size is
1.89TB, that's where the OS is going to live
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442 [04:06:17] <Henry151> Virtual Disk 1 is being initialized
now, it is going to be 5.45TB and use RAID-5, be made of 5 physical
drives and have one designated hot-spare
443 [04:06:57] <dvs> And what's it going to be used for?
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445 [04:07:26] <Henry151> it will be for storage of backups, it
will probably have enough space to hold a full system backup of the
server itself, and all three of my laptops
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447 [04:07:41] <dvs> Good call
448 [04:07:56] <Henry151> yeah the level of redundancy of my
backups is getting silly
449 [04:07:59] <Henry151> but it's ok
450 [04:08:25] <Henry151> i do play custodian of some bitcoin for
some folks and hold some other data that really shouldn't get
lost
451 [04:08:37] <dvs> Silly would be leaving the server as RAID0
for 8 disks
452 [04:09:01] <Henry151> right? I'd have a beautifully
large 16TB of storage but what the heck does anyone need that much
space for
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454 [04:09:23] <Henry151> I mean my whole music and video
collection = ~500GB
455 [04:09:47] <dvs> And if one disk went down, you'd loose
everything.
456 [04:09:56] <Henry151> and then my three laptops, one has a
500GB harddrive i'd like to back up, and the other two both are
250GB
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460 [04:10:56] <Henry151> and while I do use tarsnap to backup
all my critical keyfiles and things, and have redundant paper and
usb-thumb-drive copies of my tarsnap keys in safes and
safety-deposit-boxes, that's only for "money data"
not for my music or videos or pictures or other personal data
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463 [04:11:43] <Henry151> so now i can have super redundant
backups of all the stuff that *doesn't* matter too! woohoo
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465 [04:13:23] <Henry151> don't know if "money
data" is a term or not but i mean "data that I'd lose
money if i lost it"
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468 [04:16:38] <Henry151> of course while I trust tarsnap and Mr.
Percival quite wholeheartedly, I also have backups of all the
"money data" in physically redundant locations like safety
deposit boxes as well, so that if he dies, or I die, my sister or
nephew will be able to access any funds under my control
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470 [04:18:55] <somiaj> glad you are figuring out how raid can
best serve you.
471 [04:19:10] <Henry151> i guess it's almost "off
topic" for #debian, sorry folks
472 [04:19:44] <Henry151> I *am* going to be installing debian
when this next raid initialization completes :)
473 [04:21:41] <Henry151> i also feel like this raid stuff is
something i should have learned about years ago, and also, that
owning a server is something I should have done years ago.. I have
been renting two VPS's for the last 2 years and run debian on
both of them, and on all three of my laptops
474 [04:22:17] <Henry151> I guess my excuse has been that
I've never lived anywhere with a decently fast internet
connection, so it never made sense to have much hardware locally
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476 [04:23:52] <Henry151> now I've got a gigabit
connection.. But now I'm also going to have to learn a whole
bunch of new stuff about how to configure my router and such so that
I can use this server as a server (be able to access it remotely)
without putting my whole network at risk
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480 [04:24:55] <Henry151> for example I know how to serve a
website from my VPS, but I am not sure, if I followed those same
steps to serve it from home, if it would work or not, and if it did
work, if it would be putting my home network's security at risk
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482 [04:26:01] <dvs> Sounds like you need to look up iptables
next
483 [04:26:09] <Henry151> I do have another few spare routers
around as well as 2 more of these poweredge 2900s , I wonder if I
can configure myself a physical firewall of some sort
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486 [04:26:32] <Henry151> and dvs yep, no real understanding of
what iptables is/means
487 [04:26:38] <aypea[1]> hmm. i've a server slowly running
out of ram. sum of the RSS of all processes accounts for 500MB out
of the 760MB currently used (from free used field). Where would the
rest come from?
488 [04:26:39] <Henry151> so that will be on the agenda
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494 [04:31:16] <ksk> !linuxatemyram
495 [04:31:19] <ksk> nope?
496 [04:31:26] <aypea[1]> saw nothing
497 [04:31:32] <ksk> aypea[1]:
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498 [04:31:51] <aypea[1]> not a disk cache thing
499 [04:32:26] <ksk> (there are other caches, aswell)
500 [04:33:11] <aypea[1]> already tried drop_caches - it helped a
little but not enough to be the cause.
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502 [04:33:46] <ksk> I am not sure you have a problem at all,
might be the sum of RRS is not everything there is? never looked
that close..
503 [04:34:39] <aypea[1]> yeah. it mightn't be but then I
wonder what's left. I've already restarted the 3 big
things that the server runs and that didn't help, either.
outside of them there's nothing of note.
504 [04:34:52] <ksk> -m in free is "mebibytes" btw.
505 [04:35:17] <aypea[1]> not using -m :)
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507 [04:36:05] <ksk> aypea[1]: also, from man free: "used
Used memory (calculated as total - free - buffers - cache)"
508 [04:36:23] <ksk> you will not see neither buffers or caches
via PS, as far as I can tell..
509 [04:36:36] <aypea[1]> right. so buffers and cache are taken
into account.
510 [04:37:01] <ksk> as they are shown in free, you could
calculate the real thing yourself I suppse.
511 [04:37:31] <ksk> (and again, having linux using up ram for
caches and buffers is not a bad thing)
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514 [04:38:20] <Henry151> dvs: would you care to give me some
info about iptables "in your own words"? I'm reading
about it elsewhere but there are a lot of different places to read
and things to grasp and i feel like you might be able to summarize
briefly for me what it is, why i'll need to learn about it, or
how i might use it, so that I can more rapidly find the information
relevant to me
515 [04:38:24] <aypea[1]> don't care about caches and
buffers. they are not the issue and the used field already discards
them from its total.
516 [04:38:28] <ksk> Henry151: normally, your home devices would
be behind a routers NAT, and therefore not exposed at all (in
contrast to a webserver you put up a port fording up or so..)
517 [04:39:10] <ksk> !tell Henry151 about iptables
518 [04:39:41] <ksk> you could call it a firewall, if you are
coming from the windows world. (but thats a little unprecise)
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521 [04:40:54] <Henry151> currently, i use ssh tunnelling, where
my home machines have autossh connections one of my VPS, and after
much struggle I've got it so I can connect to my VPS from my
tablet or from my laptop when I'm connected to the internet at
some random other access point, and then tunnel to my home devices,
and access them using VNC
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526 [04:42:06] <Henry151> but i would like to use this server as
a webserver as well, from home, so i would like to set up whatever
port forwarding is necessary to have it able to serve websites to
the public, in such a way that my home network is still secure
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531 [04:43:14] <Henry151> i want to host some things like, a
cloud storage system for my family members to store their media on
my server, and things like that
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533 [04:44:23] <Henry151> i'm also going to want to be
running a bitcoin full node on this server, and possibly nodes for
other cryptocurrencies such as monero
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535 [04:46:06] <Henry151> the one thing for sure, I'll need
to take my time to make sure i do things right, so that i never
endanger my security.. I feel like there are a lot of "known
unknowns" but very few "unknown unknowns" I hope, and
so I'm usually able to maintain very strong security despite my
ignorance of so many aspects of computer security. The things that I
"know that I know" keep me safe.
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537 [04:47:11] <ksk> Henry151: good talk :)
538 [04:48:31] <Henry151> like for example, I once had all my
backups on one of my VPS, and was also hosting a website on that
vps. I don't know what i did wrong, but someone compromised
that VPS and installed a cryptocurrency miner to use up my extra
system resources. I didn't even notice I'd been
compromised for almost 4 months. But When I did, I still knew all my
data was safe, because I had never uploaded anything sensitive
539 [04:48:37] <Henry151> to the VPS without first encrypting it
with PGP encryption locally, and had never uploaded my PGP keys to
the server.
540 [04:50:10] <Henry151> i was a little scared, but also, when
SSH-ing from the VPS to my home machines through an SSH tunnel, the
password needed to use the SSH keys on the VPS were very strong,
26-character passphrases made of non-dictionary elements.
541 [04:50:42] <Henry151> so I was confident that even though the
VPS had been compromised, none of my sensitive data was exposed, and
the attacker wasn't able to access my home machines.
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543 [04:50:54] <ksk> if you did ssh-key-forwarding, the private
key might be known to the attacker now.
544 [04:51:20] <ksk> Henry151: thats most likely not a human
attacker, but just a random bot using a random exploit bundled with
a random cryptominer..
545 [04:53:26] <Henry151> that sounds likely. Though I think it
may have been someone from IRC; after I first set up the website
(hosted with nginx) I had shared the URL in ##spoonfed (full of
pen-tester types) and said "hey, if anybody wants to take a
crack at my VPS to see if I have any security gaps, go for
it"... so i always suspected that it was in response to that
request, that I got compromised
546 [04:53:52] <dvs> Well, that was unwise.
547 [04:54:04] <ksk> if you did things right, you would not
really get rooted by having a faulty webapp.
548 [04:54:05] <Henry151> yeah, agreed.
549 [04:54:54] <Henry151> I must have done something wrong. I was
upset enough about it that I spun up a new VPS, and set everything
up all over again on the new vps, and turned off the old one
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551 [04:55:50] <Henry151> but, again, the ssh key on the VPS that
would allow it access to my home systems, had a very strong
password, so I have pretty high confidence that any attacker, having
compromised the VPS, would still not be able to access my home
machinnes
552 [04:56:08] <Henry151> if that confidence is misplaced, I
would love to hear about it of course
553 [04:56:40] <ksk> if your machine was rooted, you logged in
there, entered a passphrase for a key - the key and the passphrase
are now burned.
554 [04:56:40] <nesta> o_0
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556 [04:57:48] <Henry151> ksk: in the aftermath of that mess, I
generated all new SSH keys all around
557 [04:59:21] <nesta> did you also remove the backdoor?
558 [04:59:44] <Henry151> the attacker left some traces, I saw in
bash history what looked to be his footsteps; it looked like he just
ran a couple commands to determine how much of my system resources
were going unused, and then installed the cryptominer
559 [04:59:52] <Henry151> nesta: well, i removed the entire VPS
560 [05:00:02] <nesta> i mean from your home machines/network
561 [05:00:05] <Henry151> started over.
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563 [05:00:41] <Henry151> i've seen no indication that my
home machines or network are compromised; though they certainly
could be, i suppose
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567 [05:00:57] <nesta> one would hope not
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570 [05:01:52] <Henry151> at the time, come to think of it, I
wasn't using that VPS for the ssh tunnel to home thing... it
did have an SSH key to my home machines, but i don't think i
even typed in the passsphrase to that key between when the VPS was
compromised and when i discovered the attack
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574 [05:02:41] <ksk> you can restrict an ssh key/user to not get
a shell, only being able to do tunneling.
575 [05:03:09] <ksk> but seems you more likely need a security
consultant instead of support from #debian if I may say so.
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581 [05:04:16] <Henry151> well, i'm pretty happy with my
security, though you have pointed out gaps in my thought process
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584 [05:05:16] <ksk> If you have specific question, feel free to
ask.
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586 [05:05:44] <Henry151> like, it hadn't occurred to me to
think that the guy who compromised my VPS, may have also from there,
compromised my home network, and may have from there, been able to
copy my PGP key and keylog my passphrase for that, and therefore be
able to decrypt the pgp encrypted files that were exposed to him
when he compromised the VPS
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588 [05:05:50] <Henry151> ksk: thanks.
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593 [05:08:00] <Henry151> I do think I know how he initially
compromised the VPS; I had enabled password authentication briefly,
to let myself access the VPS from a foreign computer, because I
needed to download some pictures I had backed up there to a
friend's laptop for her, since htey were her photos.. then I
forgot to disable password authentiaction, leaving it open to people
trying to guess the password for several weeks,
594 [05:08:06] <Henry151> with a relatively weak password. It was
during those several weeks that the attacker installed the
cryptominer.
595 [05:08:21] <Henry151> pardon the typos
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597 [05:09:48] <Henry151> i sure freaked out when i found it. I
was like "nuke everything! all has been lost!"
598 [05:10:30] <r1nt3c_> ls -a
599 [05:10:35] <r1nt3c_> sorry misstake
600 [05:11:37] <Henry151> anyway sorry for being so off-topic in
here.. dvs did you want to tell me a bit about basic iptables
configuration, or link me somewhere? or just leave me to my googling
601 [05:12:53] <ksk> Henry151: protip: you setup a machine with
ssh port 22 and a weak root password -> hacked in < 24h
602 [05:13:09] <ksk> even without you sharing the password ( on
an internet routed machine that is, of course)
603 [05:13:16] <ksk> eh, sharing the hostname I mean.
604 [05:13:50] <Henry151> even with password authentication
disabled?
605 [05:13:58] <ksk> Henry151: no harm done at that late hour,
nobody else seems to need attention.
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607 [05:14:39] <ksk> Henry151: if you have (ssh) password
authentication disabled, one could not login with a password even if
one knew it.
608 [05:15:01] <Henry151> right, so that's how i keep my VPS
now
609 [05:15:05] <annadane> off topic isn't *quite* so bad if
no one else has actual questions that are being pushed off screen
610 [05:15:08] <Henry151> and even before
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612 [05:15:57] <Henry151> annadane: i've been chastised in
here a couple times for drifting too far off topic so I do try to be
careful.
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617 [05:17:47] <dvs> Henry151, I can't find a recent
document about iptables. I see that iptables is being replaced by
nftables in buster.
618 [05:17:49] <Henry151> i'm pretty sure that it was by
enabling ssh password authentication that i compromised that
security of that vps that one time, but i'm also fairly
confident that they didn't even get root access; it looked like
everything they did was done from my user account, and i didn't
have sudo set up on that machine, i used su -c "command"
whenever i would use sudo
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620 [05:18:39] <ksk> might be Henry151, but someone getting root
on your box can replace all logs (and all binaries..) to make things
look like they want it to look.
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622 [05:19:35] <ksk> so it *could* be someone hacked you via a
nice linux 0day exploit, and just added something to bash_history
and added an succesful auth entry into your sshd logfile.
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631 [05:23:29] <Henry151> these thoughts are scary, but
you're absolutely
632 [05:23:32] <Henry151> right.
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634 [05:24:22] <password4> hi there
635 [05:25:25] * dvs uses password4's password!
636 [05:25:31] <password4> :O
637 [05:25:41] *** password4 is now known as password8
638 [05:25:44] <password8> :P
639 [05:26:03] <password8> so my apt-sources is complaining that
it can't find this source :
640 [05:26:04] <password8> deb
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641 [05:26:05] <dvs> damn!
642 [05:26:33] <dvs> !wheezy sources.list
643 [05:26:34] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A
suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb
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644 [05:26:42] <dvs> Yeah, it's been archived.
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647 [05:26:54] <password8> oh thanx
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650 [05:28:30] <password8> must i update the wheezy-updates too?
651 [05:28:50] <dvs> nope.
652 [05:28:57] <dvs> There's only one line now.
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654 [05:29:09] <password8> oh , so the rest i ought to remoce
655 [05:29:11] <password8> ok doki
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658 [05:30:15] <password8> i should probably sometime upgrade my
server :P
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661 [05:30:47] <dvs> Upgrade it twice and then again in about a
month.
662 [05:31:01] <password8> dist upgrade?
663 [05:31:33] <dvs> There are upgrade instructions in the jessie
and stretch release notes.
664 [05:31:47] <Henry151> so, on this machine i'm typing on
now, i'm running stretch
665 [05:32:34] <Henry151> is stretch the "absolute
state-of-the-art latest version of debian"? or is there some
other, newer, "testing" version or "unstable"
version or something, that i'm missing out on?
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668 [05:33:16] <dvs> stretch is the latest recommended version of
Debian
669 [05:33:52] <dvs> buster will be released in a month or so so
that will become the recommended version.
670 [05:34:14] <Henry151> ok. So is it equivalent to running
"stable" than? where running buster now would be running
"unstable"?
671 [05:34:20] <Henry151> or is buster just not available at all
yet
672 [05:35:16] <dvs> buster is currently testing/frozen. There
are still bugs that are preventing it from being released.
673 [05:35:27] <Henry151> ok, thanks.
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675 [05:36:05] <jmcnaught> testing and unstable have various
caveats that make them unsuitable for use on servers
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677 [05:36:36] <Henry151> certainly i will be installing a stable
version on my new server
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679 [05:37:28] <Henry151> but on this laptop, my primary
every-day use machine, i'm tempted to look into unstable just
to be using the "newest and best" and get to try out any
fancy new stuff sooner
680 [05:37:42] <Henry151> i probably won't, though.
681 [05:37:44] <annadane> feel free, just have a backup plan if
(when) things break
682 [05:37:49] <jmcnaught> !moving target
683 [05:37:49] <dpkg> Sure, testing might be shinier than stable,
but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things
that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats
will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again.
Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your
computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that.
See <testing security>.
684 [05:38:43] <Henry151> i fell in love with debian at 13 ... i
feel like i should at the very least, install testing on one of my
spare laptops, just to play with it
685 [05:39:05] <password4> :X
686 [05:39:14] <Henry151> i'm 27 now for reference... so
i've managed to use debian every day for 14 years and still be
this ignorant
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689 [05:40:08] <jmcnaught> Henry151: testing is frozen right now,
so it doesn't change very much except for getting bug fixes. I
use it on my laptop.
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691 [05:40:19] <Henry151> it was love at first sight... the
documentation, i fell in love with debian just looking at the docs,
before i ever installed it anywhere
692 [05:40:30] <jmcnaught> it doesn't have security support
so security flaws are sometimes a little slower to get patched
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694 [05:41:13] <annadane> i flip flop to different distros all
the time but there's something nice about the fact you can be
lazy with debian and have things work
695 [05:41:13] <Henry151> hm... security is important to me, so
at least for my primary-use machine i should probably stick to
stable. But I'll definitely upgrade one of my other laptops to
testing
696 [05:41:18] <annadane> debian stable, anyway
697 [05:41:54] <Henry151> i've been glancing over at arch
every once in a while but still never actually tried it out.. other
than that, I've only used other distros for very specific
use-cases
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699 [05:43:52] <Henry151> like, linux mint for my
techno-illiterate family members who still want to try out linux for
some reason; then i also keep acouple live usb thumbdrives around,
with like, tails and kali and one with "liberte linux"
just for fun .. more and more i find that I don't need any of
them, that i can do anything i want to do, straight from debian
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703 [05:44:28] <annadane> yeah easier if you have multiple
computers. i should probably stop constantly changing on my single
desktop pc :P
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706 [05:44:37] <annadane> i'm sure all the writes don't
help hardware life
707 [05:45:14] <OldParr> can i point a dns to
sites.google.com/view/brillo wit a cname record?
708 [05:45:26] <Henry151> i do like the way the kali live usb
allows me to boot up in "forensics mode" where it
won't mount any drives or do anything to the computer it's
plugged in to, without explicit directions from the end user
709 [05:45:32] <dvs> annadane, I have three OS's on my
desktop.
710 [05:46:16] <Henry151> i used to want to have dual-boot, so
that I could have windows for video games, but I've grown more
and more averse to windows, and less interested in video games
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712 [05:46:23] <annadane> yeah i can multiboot but i like the
space of one os per computer
713 [05:46:45] <annadane> that said i'm just irrationally
scared of partitioning so maybe that's why
714 [05:47:15] <Henry151> i was thinking about setting up this
server with like, 8 OSes, one per 2-TB hard-drive, but then i
decided that would be just stupid and threw the whole idea out the
window
715 [05:47:30] <dvs> good move
716 [05:47:34] <Henry151> i've just never had so much
hardware to play with before
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719 [05:49:10] <Henry151> i went from having only laptops, all my
life, (with maybe one or two lame small desktops that i happened
upon), to now i acquired three poweredge 2900 servers at once (only
cost me $300, and came with some extra ram, some extra cpus, two
nice scanner/printer combos, anwhole bunch of hard drives
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722 [05:49:49] <Henry151> delivered to my door, $300 all in, came
with a monitor too
723 [05:50:01] <Henry151> i just couldn't not buy it
724 [05:50:11] <annadane> let's try not to push the question
someone has off screen with *too* much off topic
725 [05:50:36] <jmcnaught> why not move the discussion to
#debian-offtopic?
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727 [05:50:57] <Henry151> point taken, shutting up, sorry,
i'm such a talker.
728 [05:51:29] <ksk> OldParr: not a debian question, rally. you
are seem to be mixing the DomainNameSystem and HTTP (short: no)
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730 [05:52:10] <ksk> you can make it point to sites.google.com
(but not put a location onto that, as that is HTTP-foo)
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732 [05:52:56] <OldParr> ksk: thnks
733 [05:53:50] <annadane> i guess 1 TB is still kinda the
standard but it'd be cool to just buy a massive computer with
insane specs
734 [05:55:09] <annadane> that said with linux you can get lots
of mileage off less than incredible hardware
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832 [08:01:06] <alphazulu> is there a command to copy contents of
a file to clipboard from the CLI?
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835 [08:01:58] <hejux> btw, i use arch.
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841 [08:11:53] <mixu> alphazulu, xclip?
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949 [09:54:03] <Battaglin> any news about 10 release ?
950 [09:54:10] <Battaglin> how many bugs left ?
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964 [10:00:30] <EdePopede> 116
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965 [10:00:43] <EdePopede> they were again on 119 yesterday
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967 [10:02:14] <EdePopede> now that's optimistic
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968 [10:02:22] <EdePopede> didn't google give up on spectre?
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985 [10:21:28] <ShiftCatL> Hi
986 [10:21:35] <ShiftCatL> I'm looking for Mark Shuttleworth
987 [10:21:39] <ShiftCatL> Has anyone seen him
988 [10:21:41] <ShiftCatL> ?
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1001 [10:28:56] <Henry151> first i'm being offtopic in the
ontopic channel; but now i've been accused of being ontopic in
the offtopic channel, so i'm back in here again
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1004 [10:29:08] <dabbler> haha
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1006 [10:29:21] <hejux> lmao
1007 [10:29:27] <Henry151> i'm trying to do the partitioning
in the graphical installer at the moment
1008 [10:29:50] <Henry151> and i usually just do guided and leave
it all default and have one partition
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1010 [10:29:54] <ShiftCatL> Henry151, How you been man?
1011 [10:29:59] <dabbler> i'm new around here, but i'd
hope that would be considered on-topic!
1012 [10:30:02] <ShiftCatL> Haven't seen you in 9 years
1013 [10:30:06] <Henry151> howdy ShiftCatL ,I'm great
1014 [10:30:13] <Henry151> 9 years??!?!?
1015 [10:30:16] <hejux> Henry151:btw, i use Arch.
1016 [10:30:25] <ShiftCatL> Hows your cat? still drinking that
milk I see
1017 [10:30:26] <dabbler> hahaha oh
1018 [10:31:10] <ShiftCatL> Henry151 you do remember me right?
1019 [10:31:19] <ShiftCatL> You said we would be best friends
forever :(
1020 [10:31:23] <hejux> troll?
1021 [10:31:43] <jelly> !seen sabdfl
1022 [10:31:43] <dpkg> i haven't seen 'sabdfl',
jelly
1023 [10:31:50] <Henry151> i'm not sure that i do, to be
honest. Though your name looks slightly familiar.
1024 [10:32:00] <ShiftCatL> Do people still troll these days?
1025 [10:32:00] <Henry151> But this is off topic!!!!
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1027 [10:32:02] <hejux> kick him out! just god damn kick him out
1028 [10:32:03] <jelly> ShiftCatL: keep this channel for tech
support please,
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1032 [10:32:35] <dabbler> Henry151: and like that, you're
back to off-topic XD
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1036 [10:32:54] <jelly> ShiftCatL: there's a ##chat channel
for casual chat or #debian-offtopic if you hang out in here
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1039 [10:33:30] <Henry151> Ok, support, on topic, i want to do the
separate /home /var and /tmp partitions, i chose guided
partitioning, but now I want to modify the sizes of those
partitions, is that possible through the guided partitiioning
interface or do i have to do manual partitioning to set sizes?
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1041 [10:33:47] <ShiftCatL> I have an odor coming from my Vag
1042 [10:34:03] <dabbler> well that clarifies the trolling
situation
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1057 [10:35:41] <hejux> great, thanks Jelly
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1061 [10:36:11] <joze> is buster relased now?
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1063 [10:36:17] <jelly> joze: nope
1064 [10:36:17] <Henry151> anyway, i'm going to need help one
way or the other -- with guided partitioning, I can't figure
out how to adjust the sizes of the partitions; with manual
partitioning, I'm scared, sounds like i'll have to specify
everything manually
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1066 [10:36:47] <hejux> Henry151:just use manual.
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1068 [10:37:04] <abrotman> is buster released now?
1069 [10:37:07] <hejux> it is pretty easy to understand
1070 [10:37:34] <hejux> abrotman:not yet... there are 100+ bugs
waiting for resolve
1071 [10:37:54] <abrotman> so it'll be a few hours?
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1075 [10:39:51] <jelly> !rc bugs
1076 [10:39:51] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
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1077 [10:40:11] <hejux> abrotman:why are you asking about the
release date now?
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1079 [10:40:28] <hejux> is there news saying it is releasing
today?
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1081 [10:40:43] <abrotman> sooner if I help, eh? :)
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1083 [10:41:11] <Henry151> so, seriously, there's no way to
just use guided partitioning, but then adjust the sizes of the
different partitions?
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1086 [10:41:38] <abrotman> Did you try selecting the partition and
changing the size? can you take a screenshot to show us what
you're looking at?
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1091 [10:42:44] <dabbler> newb to APT configuration here
(everything other than adding sources), read the apt_preferences man
page but having some trouble following it. I have stretch installed,
and have added stretch-backports and testing to my sources.list. The
behavior I'd like to achieve is as follows: no automatic
updates between releases, but automatic updates within releases. Is
that the default behavior described in the man page? Or will I need
to set som
1092 [10:42:44] <dabbler> e priorites?
1093 [10:42:55] <jelly> Henry151: the closest thing I've seen
is to use Guided partitioning and Set up LVM, and in buster
installer, it asks you how much space to use for Guided and the rest
is left free, so later you can extend any filesystem as you like
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1098 [10:43:41] <abrotman> dabbler: why would you add testing?
1099 [10:43:42] <Henry151> ok i've got it sorted out now
actually, i figured it out between when i last asked and now :)
thanks for the help though
1100 [10:44:13] <abrotman> dabbler: it's generally considered
better to build your own backports instead of mixing stable/testing
1101 [10:44:26] <abrotman> (where possible)
1102 [10:44:32] <jelly> dabbler: pinning and preferences will NOT
prevent messing up your install if you add sources for a newer
release
1103 [10:44:42] <dabbler> abrotman: because i need a newer version
of a package than is in stable and which hasn't been backported
1104 [10:44:48] <dabbler> jelly: i understand
1105 [10:45:01] <abrotman> dabbler: which package is that?
1106 [10:45:08] <dabbler> abrotman: netatalk
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1108 [10:45:21] <jelly> !ssb
1109 [10:45:21] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
1110 [10:45:22] <abrotman> judd: versions netatalk
1111 [10:45:23] <judd> Package: netatalk on amd64 -- stretch:
2.2.5-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.5-2+deb9u1; buster:
3.1.12~ds-3; sid: 3.1.12~ds-3
1112 [10:45:27] <jelly> dabbler: ^
1113 [10:45:32] <jelly> ,checkbackport netatalk
1114 [10:45:35] <abrotman> two lines above, not my rubbish :)
1115 [10:45:45] <judd> Backporting package netatalk in
sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libtracker-miner-2.0-dev, libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev.
1116 [10:45:55] <jelly> looks a bit nontrivial
1117 [10:46:03] <jelly> ,checkbackport libtracker-miner-2.0-dev
1118 [10:46:04] <judd> Backporting package
libtracker-miner-2.0-dev in sid→stretch/amd64: all
build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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1120 [10:46:18] <jelly> so probably you'll need to backport
all three.
1121 [10:46:34] <dabbler> ok
1122 [10:46:35] <abrotman> but that's still far better than
mixing releases
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1124 [10:47:10] <jelly> mixing in a NEWER release results almost
certainly in an unsupportable mess
1125 [10:47:21] <jelly> mixing in an OLDER release is not that
scary.
1126 [10:49:59] <Henry151> well i didn't get it right... I
resized the home partition down to give myself like 135GB of free
space to mess with, figuring i could add it to the other
partitions.. I go to edit the other partitions sizes and each says
they're at their max size already. For example, trying to
resize the /tmp partition it says "the minimum size for this
partition is 70.9 MB and its maximum size is 2.0GB"
1127 [10:52:11] <jelly> guided partitioning is... problematic
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1130 [10:56:39] <dabbler> alright, i'll go ahead with
building from source on OBS instead of using testing. but a few
related Qs: 1) am I right in guessing that APT's default
behavior is that packages won't automatically update from
stable to backports, so i don't need to worry about priorities
for that? 2) would it be more canonical for me to label the release
for the built package stretch or stretch-backports?
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1133 [10:58:33] <dabbler> I'm guessing the latter is probably
a trivial point, but i'm trying to learn
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1135 [10:58:52] <Henry151> the guided partitioning didn't
seem to be creating any /boot
1136 [10:59:11] <Henry151> i'm trying to do it all manually
now but i don't know what to do
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1138 [10:59:32] <Henry151> what should i make the first and
primary partition be?
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1140 [10:59:41] <abrotman> dabbler: if you follow the instructions
for the backports, it wil not automagically use the backports
versions 2) I don't think it matters TBH, as long as you know
you've deviated
1141 [11:00:18] <EdePopede> Henry151: i always had /boot as the
first partition. just for the case i want to add a 2nd OS to the
disk. seems logical.
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1145 [11:01:12] <EdePopede> and then out of old habit with all
those limits the design brought to us. wanted to have it as near to
the start as possible.
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1147 [11:02:07] <Henry151> I've got 2TB, I want a 50GB /, a
50GB /var, a 50GB /tmp, 50GB swap, and the rest as home
1148 [11:02:42] <Henry151> but i'm scared that i'll be
doing stupid things because i have never partitioned a drive
manually before at all, always just used guided and left everything
at defaults
1149 [11:03:15] <Henry151> how big should /boot be?
1150 [11:03:18] <abrotman> a) Use LVM b) you don't need to
allocate it all today
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1152 [11:03:44] <dabbler> Henry151: if you don't have any
data on the disk that you care to preserve, what do you have to
lose? i've found gdisk pretty user-friendly
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1154 [11:04:29] <mixu> do you required a separate /boot?
1155 [11:04:29] <Henry151> i am so ignorant, but for one thing,
what's gdisk/ and for another, I thought LVM was only a thing
if i was doing the full disk encryption, is it separate from that?
1156 [11:04:40] <dabbler> it's independent
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1158 [11:04:57] <Henry151> mixu: I do not know... i do only intend
to run one OS
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1161 [11:05:51] <EdePopede> Henry151: would it shock you if i told
you that i'm still running from my old 80GB? ;)
1162 [11:05:53] <dabbler> the advantage to having a separate boot,
as i understand it, is that borking your root partition won't
prevent you from booting the kernel if you have a separate boot
partition
1163 [11:05:57] <abrotman> Henry151: also, let's be honest ..
you have no data on the disk? if you mess it up, try again
1164 [11:06:08] <abrotman> hooray learning
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1166 [11:06:18] <EdePopede> a put all the big data to its own
disk, but everything mentioned in the fhs and in partitioning guides
is on that disk
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1168 [11:06:33] <dabbler> gdisk is the GPT equivalent of fdisk
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1170 [11:07:01] <EdePopede> gdisk gives you GPT, which is a nice
thing to have and can handle disks of >2TB
1171 [11:07:06] <Henry151> hooray, learning i agree, there's
nothing on there that matters... but i've already restarted
this install process 4 times, it's 5am, I am itching to have a
functioning system under my fingertips
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1174 [11:07:23] <dabbler> I'd make my swap partition a lot
smaller than 50 GB, personally
1175 [11:07:24] <Henry151> i also want to do it right
1176 [11:07:28] <Henry151> so that i won't be cursing myself
later.
1177 [11:07:44] <Henry151> i have extra space out the wazoo
1178 [11:08:03] <EdePopede> Henry151: maybe it would save you some
of the work if you'd go through the process in theory first and
do it step by step. just like now deciding how you want the
partitioning to be.
1179 [11:08:10] <abrotman> Henry151: again, use LVM
1180 [11:08:22] <dabbler> GPT also means you don't have to
mess with extended partitions if you have more than 4 of them
1181 [11:08:36] <Henry151> this 2TB is already more than i think i
could really use up, and I've got another 6TB to play with
1182 [11:09:02] <dabbler> one of the advantages of LVM is that you
can change the sizes of your volumes without partitioning the disk
1183 [11:09:04] <Henry151> abrotman: so, how do i use LVM? what
does that mean in the context of, how to get past the
"partition disks" section of the debian installer?
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1186 [11:09:35] <abrotman> it should be part of that section ..
you realyl should read the install guide
1187 [11:09:57] <EdePopede> dabbler: yepp, it was annoying in the
past sometimes when all the 4 entries were gone and one of the
primary partitions showed up as being too small on the long term. or
when some data partition was full and DATA(!) had to be moved to
some place it never belonged.
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1192 [11:11:10] <Henry151> i think i should just go to bed and do
it tomorrow... this is only like the 600th time i've installed
debian i should be able to write a goddamn guide by now not be in
here asking stupid questions and slamming my head against the wall
1193 [11:12:01] <EdePopede> those decisions are a thing everytime
you have to make them
1194 [11:12:12] <mixu> sleep fixes many things
1195 [11:12:17] <EdePopede> but freeing your head is maybe not the
worst idea :)
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1204 [11:15:53] <Henry151> so if i choose the LVM option, I can
adjust the sizes after the installation is complete?
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1207 [11:16:38] <dabbler> Henry151: :) for tomorrow: LVM adds an
abstraction layer between physical partitions and the volumes
containing your filesystems. it allows those volumes to span
multiple physical partitions or disks, and you can resize volumes
easily, as long as the total sizes of volumes don't exceed the
total size of the partition(s) LVM is using
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1210 [11:17:31] <dabbler> basically, under the hood, LVM can store
a volume's data discontiguously on disk
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1213 [11:17:51] <jelly> Henry151: yes, but only buster installer
gives you the option NOT to use the whole disk space
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1217 [11:19:10] <Henry151> thanks, now i'm going to really go
to bed.. I chose LVM, separate home/var/tmp, clicked continue, like
alright, lets just do this, i can fix the sizes later, great... then
the next thing pops up says "Installation step failed: The
failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
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1219 [11:19:31] <Henry151> i remember seeing that once before and
being miserable for many hours before i figured it out
1220 [11:19:39] <Henry151> so I'm going to bed and gonna deal
with it tomorrow.
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1223 [11:20:15] <Henry151> thanks for all the help though folks
hopefully you'll see me in here tomorrow night
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1228 [11:22:10] <dabbler> Henry151: you're welcome. sleep
well
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1231 [11:27:19] <dabbler> ,checkbackport libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev
1232 [11:27:21] <judd> Backporting package
libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev in sid→stretch/amd64: all
build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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1237 [11:30:04] <nifker> when I try to install hibernate I get an
error by initramfs that
"/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSerif.ttf" has
not been found
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1261 [11:47:31] <Henry151> ok guys i can't go to bed because
i'm stubborn. I found some stuff to indicate what might be
happening with grub install failing, by pressing alt+f4
1262 [11:48:12] <Henry151> chroot: can't execute
'grub-probe': no such file or directory
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1266 [11:49:33] <Henry151> then several lines all similar to
"File descriptor 3 (pipe:[1314]) leaked on lvdisplay
invocation. Parent PID 15847: /bin/sh" (several of them with
/dev/tty1 instead of pipe:[1314])
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1268 [11:50:26] <Henry151> then it says "Volume group
"sda" not found, and "cannot process volume group
sda"
1269 [11:50:47] <Henry151> sounds like i didn't get the
partitioning done right, so grub can't find my disk
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1278 [11:57:26] <EdePopede> ,f bin/grub-probe
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1280 [11:57:43] <EdePopede> hm. no?
1281 [11:57:56] <EdePopede> ,f sbin/grub-probe
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1285 [11:58:46] <EdePopede> Henry151: is that package (or the
file) available? grub-common: /usr/sbin/grub-probe
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1300 [12:02:34] <menace> EdePopede, yes:
replaced-url
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1302 [12:02:47] <menace> ah, on Henry151s system.. sorry
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1304 [12:03:42] <menace> posting "dpkg -S
/usr/sbin/grub-probe ; dpkg -l grub-common" might help :-)
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1310 [12:07:05] <AnononA> hi ive just dont a tri boot and now
debian on boot says a start job is running dev-disk-somenumbers..
now from what ive read this is a UUID problem fstab gives me this
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1312 [12:07:10] <AnononA>
replaced-url
1313 [12:08:08] <AnononA> evan tho diffrent hardrives i noticed
the swap come up when writing partition info thru install procces of
the other hard disk
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1325 [12:10:57] <AnononA> sda5 and sdb5 are both swap drives and
seem there might be conflict
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1330 [12:12:31] <AnononA> is there a method of updating partition
almost like update-grub or do i have to manually change the uuids to
fstab
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1335 [12:14:44] <EdePopede> AnononA: `fdisk -l /dev/disk/by uuid`
and then you can simply copypaste the correct uuid into fstab (and
as usual, don't forget to make a backup first)
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1337 [12:15:40] <EdePopede> /dev/disk/by-uuid
1338 [12:15:56] <EdePopede> *sigh*
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1340 [12:16:03] <EdePopede> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
1341 [12:16:41] <EdePopede> this whole partition thing was
irritating me somehow. coffeetime.
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1362 [12:27:38] <Night_Elf> AnononAgramA: Probably, that's
because installation2 finds the same swappartition that
installation1 had setup and then reformats it. And proceeds all
good. When installation1 boots up, it doesn't find what it
expects anymore, so it waits.
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1364 [12:27:49] <Night_Elf> AnononA: ^
1365 [12:28:36] <AnononA> Awsome thanks guys
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1367 [12:28:56] <AnononA> much appreciated for the info made a
backup about to test
1368 [12:28:58] <AnononA> brb
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1370 [12:29:15] <Night_Elf> What you can do is use different swap
partitions for the different installations. Or, once all
installations are finished, you just set it manually to the correct
UUID, for both of them
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1376 [12:31:29] <abrotman> or use swap files instead of partitions
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1382 [12:34:38] <nifker> why cant I install libcurl3 and libcurl4
at the same time?
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1409 [13:01:53] <AnononA> ok so ive swapped the swaps
1410 [13:03:05] <AnononA> start job disk-dev is no longer but boot
takes a while and cleans files every time also i saw not waiting for
then procceeded with boot
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1414 [13:05:01] <Night_Elf> AnononA: What do you mean 'cleans
files everytime ? Where ?
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1417 [13:05:55] <AnononA> other OS being debian based.has device
not found on boot and its fstab says the same as blkid does well
matched up with what fstab lists anyway
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1419 [13:06:11] <AnononA> it happens pretty quick where would i
see that log
1420 [13:06:46] <AnononA> debian hangs on the white blink top left
corner i see cleaning files and no longer waiting then boot
1421 [13:06:53] <AnononA> need to look as log to see what the rest
sayd
1422 [13:07:03] <AnononA> not sure what long will tell me same
boot errors
1423 [13:07:10] <AnononA> log *
1424 [13:07:55] <AnononA> there seperate swaps byt the way debian
has one other os has one diffrent size aswell
1425 [13:09:02] <Night_Elf> It says "cleaning files" ?
And also that 'device not found', you should get to know
what device is that. If debian doesn't interfere anywhere on
the other os's partitions and filesystems, I wonder what files
does it clean.
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1427 [13:09:30] <AnononA> how would i find out
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1429 [13:09:38] <AnononA> is there a log to see start up msg
1430 [13:09:50] <AnononA> i can boot into all OS's
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1432 [13:10:23] <AnononA> just little slower then normal and well
error and clean ill restart and try grab asmuch info as i can surely
there is a log somewhere for this tho
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1434 [13:11:13] <Night_Elf> You can check what swap partition is
being used by: cat /proc/swaps
1435 [13:11:39] <Night_Elf> The logs all are usually in /var/log/*
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1442 [13:14:28] <Night_Elf> You could check the /var/log/kern.log
and /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
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1455 [13:18:52] <AnononA> syslog ?
1456 [13:19:08] <AnononA> just saw your msg
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1465 [13:24:31] <Night_Elf> There should be a file /var/log/syslog
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1471 [13:30:46] <AnononA> ive found it but there is alot of info
trying to siv thru saw activating swap and the uuid is was changed
but no additional info on it
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1478 [13:33:55] <Night_Elf> But the UUID was correct as it should
be from blkid and from what is in /etc/fstab ?
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1480 [13:34:25] <AnononA> correct
1481 [13:34:33] <AnononA> ill paste bin both
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1483 [13:35:41] <Night_Elf> Also I suppose that cat /proc/swaps
shows the same partition in use?
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1487 [13:36:35] <xevilstar> hello fellow debianinsts, I need the
app_java module loaded and working into my kamailio. Since there is
no such module for kamailio 5 in the repos, I have downloaded the
same kamailio version sources and then successfully compiled the
module source. I have copied the resulting app_java.so into my
kamailio modules path and configured the app_java module into my
kamailio configuration file.
1488 [13:37:04] <AnononA>
replaced-url
1489 [13:37:26] <xevilstar> my problem is that kamailio gives an
error: app_java.so: undefined symbol: JNI_CreateJavaVM and then
crashes
1490 [13:37:33] <xevilstar> what can I do ?
1491 [13:38:12] <AnononA> it shows
1492 [13:38:21] <AnononA> devsdb5
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1494 [13:38:34] <AnononA> had to get rid of / or it would not send
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1496 [13:38:53] <Bushmaster> hi just inquiring, does anyone set up
a apache webserver in Debian
1497 [13:39:07] <Night_Elf> I suppose that acording to blkid that
is the correct one.
1498 [13:39:17] <xevilstar> ah almost forgot I use buster
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1500 [13:39:42] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: I have
1501 [13:40:19] <AnononA> see in fstab it shows eeror remount
1502 [13:40:22] <xevilstar> in fact I prefer Debian when it comes
to apache (I love how easy it is to set virtualhosts)
1503 [13:40:41] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, in the past I set it up
for sharing file between computers, smart phone both internal IP and
external one and it worked fine, now I am trying to set it up in my
Debian, and it is not working
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1507 [13:41:20] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: expand the "not
working" concept
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1509 [13:41:45] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, this is the link I
previously followed to set it up and it worked fine but now i
repeated the same procedures over dozens time and it sill wont work
replaced-url
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1511 [13:42:47] <xevilstar> Bushmaster:
replaced-url
1512 [13:43:12] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, if you check that website,
you will know what i did, there are two files, that modified,
basically showed the path and saved it, and then restart apache, it
comes with same page 'It works' when it suppose to take me
to my directory lists etc
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1514 [13:43:43] <Night_Elf> AnononA: What does the error say ?
1515 [13:44:50] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, this is bit advance for me
1516 [13:45:04] <AnononA> errors=remount-ro 0 1
1517 [13:45:06] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: use Seafile
1518 [13:45:30] <Bushmaster> I glance through the link you
provided, it sounds very advance
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1523 [13:46:00] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: it's a step by step
copy and paste kind of thing don't worry
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1525 [13:46:02] <xevilstar> :)
1526 [13:46:06] <Night_Elf> AnononA: The line at the /etc/fstab
for the swapfile should be something like this:
1527 [13:46:10] <Bushmaster> I just want to share my files,. like
people do in drop box via apache, i did it in the past but it is not
working which i do not understand
1528 [13:46:10] <Night_Elf>
UUID=06d61c03-ff2f-4792-b66d-4e2a4a4043bb none swap sw 0 0
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1530 [13:46:24] <Night_Elf> (of course, change it with your own
UUID)
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1532 [13:46:40] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: it is nothing like dropbox
it will be your server
1533 [13:47:00] <xevilstar> follow the man
1534 [13:47:16] <Bushmaster> well, xevilstar it wont work, cos the
old machine where I want to Apache running is 32 bit
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1536 [13:47:49] <AnononA> but blkid tells me my own or am i just
typing it it wrong
1537 [13:47:52] <Bushmaster> and the machine I am using now, it is
debian stretch yes and 64 bit but this machine, i do not want it as
server
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1539 [13:48:15] <nifker> my Backspace keycode in terminals seems
to be 263 instead of 8 is this right?
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1542 [13:48:32] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, if you could help me with
the link I provided, where I am going wrong, that would be great
1543 [13:48:48] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: then instead of editing
the default try to configure a vhost
replaced-url
1544 [13:48:59] <xevilstar> and then dissite default
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1551 [13:50:09] <Night_Elf> AnononA: Well... we're not
talking of the same system?
1552 [13:50:26] <AnononA> each have there own swap correct
1553 [13:50:29] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, again, way too advance
man, thanks anyhow
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1560 [13:51:53] <thebeaukoko> bonjour
1561 [13:52:03] <thebeaukoko> hello
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1566 [13:53:18] <Night_Elf> AnononA: I suppose so. You have to
determine that each system will use its proper one. blkid should
tell you all there are.
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1572 [13:55:24] <xevilstar> ok I rephrase my question.... how can
I make kamailio.deb with all modules ?
1573 [13:55:46] <xevilstar> and of course all the standard debian
paths
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1577 [13:57:13] <AnononA> ahh so with the fstab back up is has one
thats no longerlisted in blkid would that be the old one not in use
corzing problem.... or should i be swapping the uuid that are in
place
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1581 [13:58:22] <AnononA> maype gparted could give me info on this
1582 [13:58:42] <AnononA> or would it just feed back what blkid is
listing
1583 [13:58:50] <Night_Elf> AnononA: On each system, you need to
place in it the UUID of the existing ones what blkid tells you. You
probably have two of them listed, so on each system, there would be
a different UUID, the one that that system is supposed to use.
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1585 [13:59:15] <Night_Elf> On each system's /etc/fstab
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1587 [13:59:43] <AnononA> ok ill print out both chuck it in paste
bin and we will see if they all list the same
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1597 [14:05:16] <xevilstar> can please anyone help me ?
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1599 [14:07:15] <AnononA>
replaced-url
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1603 [14:10:07] <AnononA> Night_Elf: are you saying that blkid
will list diffrent on each machine or it lists all i just have to
figure witch one is right
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1607 [14:11:18] <Night_Elf> AnononA: To what I know, the UUID of
the partitions should be the same for the same disk, regardless
which system you type the blkid command in.
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1613 [14:12:54] <Night_Elf> AnononA: On the second system, it
seems there are two lines defining swap. Only one should be there.
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1616 [14:14:02] <Night_Elf> You need to determine which is the one
you need.
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1619 [14:15:05] <AnononA> so i can just # it out nice work man
1620 [14:15:17] <AnononA> think we are making progress
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1625 [14:19:43] <Night_Elf> You try to comment one, reboot... see
what happens... if still there's errors, then you coment the
other one and uncomment the first. And see what happens again.
1626 [14:20:00] <Night_Elf> You need to get the proper one.
1627 [14:20:11] <Arletahko3> if ($me isin $1-) && ($1 !=
$me) && ($3 != $null) { /splay "C:\mIRC\beep.wav"
| /echo -adt [ACTION] someone mentioned you $+ $me $+ , $+ $nick is
calling you in $chan $server $serverip saying : $1- }
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1631 [14:20:39] <AnononA> gunna test now cheers talk in a min
1632 [14:20:42] <Night_Elf> AnononA: Also, verify what you have
with issuing 'blkid' from the other system too.
1633 [14:20:54] <Arletahko3> ops by mistake
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1636 [14:20:55] <AnononA> ok will do
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1638 [14:21:00] <AnononA> thanx
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1646 [14:23:19] <dionysus69> kernel really needs anti choking
system
1647 [14:23:53] <dionysus69> very often I am copying a file or
extracting archive that does heavy IO and whole system becomes
unresponsive, that is a literal suicide in programming world
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1655 [14:27:03] <cirdan> yeah it's call an io scheduler
dionysus69
1656 [14:27:08] <jelly> dionysus69: cfq io scheduler is crap. What
does "grep . /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler" say?
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1660 [14:27:22] <cirdan> use zfs and none/noop :)
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1663 [14:28:17] <jelly> zfs ignores most of linux vfs and
introduces its own things
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1665 [14:28:35] <dionysus69> which is a good thing or bad?
1666 [14:28:46] <dionysus69> atm I have ext4
1667 [14:29:02] <jelly> it's more things to learn and be
aware of, that work differently that anything else on linux
1668 [14:29:11] <dionysus69> jelly:
/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler:[mq-deadline] none
1669 [14:29:37] <jelly> okay, so you're on a new enough
kernel not to use cfq. It's something else then
1670 [14:29:58] <jelly> deadline and its younger brother
mq-deadline are fine
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1672 [14:30:12] <dionysus69> hmm yea I dont know, same on my
laptop
1673 [14:30:37] <dionysus69> one thing I know it should be built
in the kernel
1674 [14:30:52] <dionysus69> to leave just enough resources for a
freaking mouse
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1677 [14:31:28] <dionysus69> sometimes its so bad I cant even open
terminal so I have to use a button
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1681 [14:32:19] <cirdan> is it spinning rust? they dont do mq
really... try disableing it in the kernel?
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1683 [14:32:46] <dionysus69> disable what exactly?
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1685 [14:33:47] <cirdan> multique
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1687 [14:34:42] <dionysus69> I would refrain from tinkering on
that level, if I screw it up I dont know how to undo
1688 [14:35:02] <cirdan>
replaced-url
1689 [14:35:07] <cirdan> it's a kernel boot param
1690 [14:35:16] <cirdan> I think scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=0
1691 [14:35:23] <cirdan> it might help
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1693 [14:36:25] <sentriz> glad you made it han-solo
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1738 [15:03:50] <han-solo> sentriz: ?
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1746 [15:09:51] <renani> Hello, I'm on Stretch, I'm
trying to change the default app for common office files, setting in
/usr/share/applications/default.list usgin mime-types, but it
doesn't work. Only .doc changes correctly, but none of docx,
xls,xlsx, odt, ods work
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1791 [15:31:59] <fishcooker> how to access wheezy repo
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1794 [15:32:39] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
1795 [15:32:40] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A
suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb
replaced-url
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1826 [15:52:20] <nugax1> I installed proftpd and its working. I am
trying to cahnge the default dir
1827 [15:52:43] <nugax1> In proftpd.conf i added DefautRoot
/my/path but it still defautls to /srv/ftp
1828 [15:52:45] <nugax1> any idea?
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1836 [15:54:11] <renani> nugax1 you restart the service? checked
spelling errors?
1837 [15:54:20] <nugax1> yes
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1839 [15:54:23] <renani> Poke on my problem guys
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1843 [15:56:32] <renani> nugax1 read here
replaced-url
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1848 [15:57:18] <renani> also check user permissions on the path
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1850 [15:58:27] <nugax1> i read that. no idea.
1851 [15:58:35] <nugax1> and permissions in the directory are 777
1852 [15:58:46] <renani> then check the logs
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1856 [15:59:16] <greycat> !777
1857 [15:59:17] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
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1865 [16:01:11] <nugax1> nothing in logs
1866 [16:01:21] <nugax1> my statement is:
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1869 [16:01:36] <nugax1> DefaultRoot /opt/ftp/
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1871 [16:02:15] <nugax1> and thats in proftpd.conf. I assume you
can use it there, as it has examples in the docs and also a example
for jailing users (DefaultRoot ~)
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1881 [16:10:15] <jelly> sticky bit ought to be called ticky bit
because ls -l shows it as "t"
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1887 [16:13:25] <ksk> (++ for ticky bit)
1888 [16:13:39] <greycat> tacky is a word, ticky isn't
1889 [16:13:55] <han-solo> proposal to change `sticky bit` to
`ticky bit`
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1901 [16:23:05] <nugax1> the reason it kept serving the default
/srv/ftp is because the ftp user had a home directory of /srv/ftp
(for the anonymous user)
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1915 [16:36:28] <renani> I'm on Stretch, I'm trying to
change the default app for common office files, setting in
/usr/share/applications/default.list usgin mime-types, but it
doesn't work. Only .doc changes correctly, but none of docx,
xls,xlsx, odt, ods work
1916 [16:36:59] <greycat> So, um, how do you see the priority of a
package? What does it mean when two different methods of showing the
priority of the same pacakge on the same system give different
answers? What does it mean if two different people, both using
stretch, are seeing different priorities for the same package in
/var/lib/dpkg/status?
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1924 [16:44:43] <themill> greycat: the archive (Packages) and
individual .debs can disagree on Priority. It's mostly a field
that has no meaning these days.
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1955 [17:03:29] <strk> what's a good tool to track network
usage ? I'm after finding out my bandwidth needs
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1958 [17:04:35] <somiaj> strk: there are lots, iptraf is an old
ncurses utility, there are various sytem monintors, and so on. Might
depend on what info you want.
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1960 [17:05:45] <somiaj>
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1966 [17:08:27] <strk> the info I want is a cumulative, exact sum
of bits that left the machine, and bits that arrived, over a given
period of time
1967 [17:09:19] <strk> of course I expect to need to start them
and let them run for the given period of time (and I also expect the
machine to crash over that period of time so it must be able to
recover and continue counting from when it left)
1968 [17:09:27] <han-solo> ethtool
1969 [17:10:24] <strk> han-solo: how would I use ethtool ?
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2013 [17:36:06] <lessless> what audio system should one install
nowdays? Is it still ALSA?
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2018 [17:38:44] <jmcnaught> lessless: you probably don't need
to install ALSA. Also most people are probably using pulseaudio on
top of ALSA, but if you install a desktop environment that will
probably be configured automatically for you.
2019 [17:39:13] <lessless> nope, not on desktop. Just a small ARM
box and Native Instruments sound card
2020 [17:39:16] <lessless> for mopidy
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2029 [17:49:35] <BCMM> lessless: if you've just got one audio
output and one program playing audio, there's no reason to not
just use alsa directly
2030 [17:49:59] <lessless> that's exactly my setup
2031 [17:50:05] <BCMM> pulse would just be additional overhead in
that case
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2033 [17:50:38] <BCMM> (pulse still uses alsa as the backend for
actually making sound come out, on typical installations - it's
just a userspace daemon that mixes sound and lets you choose which
alsa device to send it to)
2034 [17:50:59] <BCMM> and depending on just how small the arm is,
it can have significant cpu overhead
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2036 [17:51:40] <lessless> thanks!
2037 [17:51:46] <lessless> that makes sense
2038 [17:52:49] <BCMM> lessless: i'm assuming that
you're more-or-less configuring stuff yourself here. if
you're using software or a distro that really wants you to use
pulse, it might be kind of a pain to avoid it
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2040 [17:53:55] <lessless> nah, nothing really special. there are
no hidden dependencies and I didn't start to setup mopidy yet.
Just doing a groundwork
2041 [17:54:07] <humpled> i just have alsa and mpd and no desktop
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2046 [17:57:01] <lessless> humpled are you using USB sound card?
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2050 [17:57:16] <humpled> no
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2052 [17:57:52] <humpled> except on the laptop, there pulse has
helped tbh
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2054 [17:58:23] <humpled> but also it makes things more
complicated so i dunno
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2056 [17:59:07] <lessless> I don't see any controls for a
soundcard in alsamixer and wonder if it supposed to be so :\
2057 [17:59:16] <lessless> module is loaded
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2058 [17:59:46] <lessless> although modprobe snd-pcm-oss ;
modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss are not found
2059 [17:59:52] <lessless> should I build them? :\
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2062 [18:02:09] <wwilliam> what is that option that you use in
/etc/fstab for nfs so the network is up before it tries to mount the
nfs;s?
2063 [18:02:45] <greycat> Make sure the interface uses
"auto" rather than "allow-hotplug" in
/etc/network/interfaces and it'll probably work.
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2065 [18:03:01] <wwilliam> Ok greycat thanks
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2071 [18:05:38] <wwilliam> STARTMODE='auto'
2072 [18:05:47] <wwilliam> That one?
2073 [18:05:58] <greycat> I cannot even guess what you're
talking about.
2074 [18:06:22] <wwilliam> !paste
2075 [18:06:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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2076 [18:06:29] <greycat> Your interfaces in /e/n/i (if they are
in fact defined in /e/n/i at all, and not controlled by
network-manager or systemd-networkd) have lines like "auto
eno1" or "allow-hotplug eth0".
2077 [18:06:47] <wwilliam>
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2078 [18:07:04] <wwilliam> Suse sorry
2079 [18:07:16] <wwilliam> my bad
2080 [18:07:19] <greycat> Then you're in the wrong channel.
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2082 [18:07:35] <wwilliam> I forgot i was in the suse box
2083 [18:07:38] <wwilliam> sorry
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2177 [18:56:08] <nixew> How to "ls" so it shows sizes of
directories including everything (files & folders) in each
directory?
2178 [18:56:23] <greycat> du -sh * or du -sk *
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2182 [18:57:22] <greycat> if you want it sorted for example, du
-sk * | sort -n
2183 [18:57:28] <han-solo> will it show hidden files (.cache and
stuff)
2184 [18:57:30] <nixew> Amazing. "ls" doesn't have
the capability to show the whole sizes?
2185 [18:57:39] <greycat> han-solo: not at the top level, unless
you turn on dotglob
2186 [18:57:46] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
2187 [18:58:02] <greycat> but it will include dotfiles that are
inside non-dot directories
2188 [18:58:43] <han-solo> just saw a guy had 39 GB in .cache at
work, and `du -hs *` only reported 383 MB :), took me a minute to
realize
2189 [18:58:55] <greycat> fair point
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2192 [19:00:11] <han-solo> du -hs * | sort -hr # will sort for
human readable, i guess
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2195 [19:01:09] <greycat> if you need to include dot
files/directories, bash -c 'shopt -s dotglob; du -sk * | sort
-rn'
2196 [19:01:11] <nixew> han-solo: and descending by size
2197 [19:01:22] <greycat> sort -r reverses it
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2202 [19:02:15] <han-solo> ah, yeah, i always want the most usage
at top, just habit
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2205 [19:02:51] <greycat> having the most important results at the
bottom can be useful, because it means when the output scrolls off
the terminal, you still see the important stuff at the end
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2208 [19:03:01] <greycat> you don't have to scroll back up to
find it
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2210 [19:03:26] <han-solo> yeah, usually there will be a lot of
files, and i usually just need `head -10`
2211 [19:03:58] <han-solo> mostly, just /var/log eating more
memory. We don't have very good etiqueue for logging :)
2212 [19:04:22] <han-solo> s/etiqueue/etiquette
2213 [19:04:41] <jhutchins_wk> nixew: The directory entry itself
has an actual size, and that's what ls -l shows.
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2216 [19:06:30] <han-solo> s/memory/storage/
2217 [19:06:32] <han-solo> gah
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2256 [19:28:57] <ahi2> why no nm-applet in debian
2257 [19:29:47] <greycat> ,v network-manager-gnome
2258 [19:29:48] <judd> Package: network-manager-gnome on amd64 --
jessie: 0.9.10.0-2; stretch: 1.4.4-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
1.8.20-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.20-1.1; sid: 1.8.20-1.1;
experimental: 1.8.22-1
2259 [19:29:57] <greycat> is that it, or is it something
different?
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2261 [19:30:15] <EdePopede> it is, i just looked for the
packagename
2262 [19:30:18] <greycat> I also see "nm-tray - Simple
Network Manager frontend written in Qt"
2263 [19:30:21] <ahi2> the applet for network-manager but not
gnome
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2265 [19:30:31] <ahi2> xfce
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2269 [19:32:12] <EdePopede> xfce has Network Monitor, no idea what
it does
2270 [19:32:28] <EdePopede> maybe only showing infos and stats
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2272 [19:32:50] <EdePopede> but *nm-applet* (what you were asking
for) is from that package.
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2274 [19:33:50] <ahi2> network-manager-gnome did it
2275 [19:33:54] <ahi2> thanks all
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2336 [20:10:25] <nixew> I'm having a problem with running
LibreOffice 6.2. When I run it, the logo with progress bar shows, it
starts loading and then quits. When I run it in terminal, it simply
throws "Application Error". Can I get the whole report of
the error somehow?
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2347 [20:18:14] <jmcnaught> nixew: are you using unstable?
2348 [20:18:27] <mutante> what is the command (passwd?) that sets
a user account to "NP" in /etc/shadow
2349 [20:18:52] <mutante> and could there be any difference to
editing it manually
2350 [20:19:02] <greycat> editing manually would achieve the exact
same thing
2351 [20:19:05] <nixew> jmcnaught: I actually downloaded the
latest version from libreoffice.org
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2355 [20:19:36] <nixew> I just found out it's not supported
by stretch 9.9, so I removed it and installed LibreOffice 5 via apt.
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2358 [20:19:50] <nixew> I'll try the backported version of
6.1
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2379 [20:33:45] <jhutchins_wk> mutante: You might want to use vipw
2380 [20:34:42] <mutante> jhutchins_wk: ah, i see, sounds like
visudo. will do
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2382 [20:35:09] <mutante> though this edits /etc/passwd
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2384 [20:35:16] <mutante> and i need to edit /etc/shadow
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2386 [20:35:22] <greycat> more like visudo is based on vipw
2387 [20:35:32] <greycat> -s, --shadow
2388 [20:35:32] <greycat> Edit shadow or gshadow database.
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2390 [20:36:29] <mutante> thanks. that works but i already have
the change i needed .. there must be additional problems i need to
debug
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2394 [20:37:45] <greycat> HISTORY
2395 [20:37:45] <greycat> The vipw command appeared in 4.0BSD.
2396 [20:37:51] <greycat> (from OpenBSD man pages)
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2415 [20:46:25] <jhutchins_wk> iirc vipw will prompt you to update
shadow if you change passwd.
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2418 [20:47:41] <annadane> can i stop the xfce notification tool
thing from popping up when needrestart says such and such binary is
outdated?
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2423 [20:49:56] <EdePopede> annadane: i don't have
needrestart installed, but does it have a setting to not send a
notification?
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2426 [20:50:59] <annadane> nothing really useful in the manpage
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2429 [20:52:21] <annadane> if i run it myself then yes there are
options but when it runs as part of an update there isn't that
level of granularity
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2445 [21:00:11] <byteckline> hi huys
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2450 [21:01:37] <EdePopede> annadane: config file? maybe it has
its own manpage with a hint
2451 [21:03:50] <annadane> fair point. i've been fairly lazy
here
2452 [21:03:53] <annadane> i'll dig around
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2707 [23:20:48] <Henry151> howdy #debian
2708 [23:21:27] <klys> hi
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2712 [23:22:49] <Henry151> I am trying to load firmware for my
Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 I think
2713 [23:23:03] <Henry151> i downloaded
replaced-url
2714 [23:23:11] <Henry151> moved it over to the machine that has
no internet
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2716 [23:23:26] <Henry151> and did dpkg -i to the deb file.. then
restarted the machine
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2718 [23:23:38] <Henry151> ip l shows eno1 and eno2 both as
"DOWN"
2719 [23:23:47] <klys> do you have the name of the files you need?
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2721 [23:23:58] <klys> do they show up in dmesg
2722 [23:24:09] <Henry151> yeah it's /bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw
2723 [23:24:12] <nulix> Henry151, what about dmesg, what does it
say about it
2724 [23:24:18] <Henry151> i see nothing about it in dmesg
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2727 [23:24:48] <klys> ok can you run something like: ifconfig
eno1 192.168.1.2
2728 [23:25:08] <klys> and then ping 192.168.1.1
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2730 [23:25:42] <Henry151> ifconfig seems to be nonexistent
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2732 [23:25:45] <Henry151> this is debian 9
2733 [23:25:56] <nulix> klys, he may want to ajust that to his
network
2734 [23:26:16] <Henry151> ping anything says "network is
unreachable"
2735 [23:26:30] <klys> nulix, do you know how to do the same thing
with the "ip" tool?
2736 [23:26:41] <nulix> nop
2737 [23:26:56] <Henry151> yea in the past i would figure ifconfig
eno1 up
2738 [23:27:06] <Henry151> because it says "state DOWN"
in ip l
2739 [23:27:26] <klys> well you need to run your dhcp client.
dhclient -d eno1 ?
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2741 [23:27:51] <nulix> sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eth0
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2749 [23:29:51] <Henry151> dhclient -d eno1 seemed to find
nothing, it tried something like 6 times and then said "No
DHCPOFFERS received"
2750 [23:29:55] <klys> if dhclient assigns an address (or not) you
can just press ctrl-c to exit the program.
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2753 [23:30:24] <klys> henry151, is there a cable plugged into
eno1 ?
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2755 [23:30:32] <Henry151> nulix: 192.168.0.5 is supposed to be ip
of my router, or is a new ip to assign to my machine?
2756 [23:30:43] <klys> the new ip for your machine.
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2758 [23:30:48] <Henry151> klys: i think so. might be eno2
actually, i'll try same thing with eno2
2759 [23:30:53] <nulix> sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eno1
2760 [23:31:05] <nulix> ajust it to your network
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2763 [23:31:17] <nulix> what is the ip of your gw?
2764 [23:31:22] <Henry151> heyheyhey! I think it's working
2765 [23:31:28] <klys> oh good
2766 [23:31:41] <Henry151> dhclient -d eno2 seems to have bound me
to 10.0.0.79
2767 [23:31:51] <klys> so, ping 10.0.0.1
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2769 [23:32:05] <klys> and then ping a public ip such as
198.60.22.2
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2771 [23:32:17] <Henry151> pinging google.com is working great now
2772 [23:32:18] <klys> and then ping a dns name such as
replaced-url
2773 [23:32:24] <klys> cool
2774 [23:32:27] <nulix> sudo ip route show
2775 [23:32:27] <Henry151> i think i'm fully connected
2776 [23:32:35] <klys> your nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf
2777 [23:32:51] <Henry151> i haven't installed sudo yet
2778 [23:33:10] <Henry151> but i'm about to update my
sources.list and update and upgrade everything and get this thing
bangin
2779 [23:33:17] <Henry151> y'all just saved me thank you much
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2781 [23:33:46] <nulix> Henry151, for reference:
replaced-url
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2785 [23:34:21] <Henry151> would you believe me if I told you i
had that open in my browser already? exactly that page XD
2786 [23:34:52] <Henry151> that dhclient -d command was what i
think i had to find
2787 [23:34:57] <Henry151> thank you for all the assistance.
2788 [23:35:01] <klys> yw.
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2824 [23:54:44] <plantroon> which tool is recommended for creating
apt repositories, that will be well supported in the future?
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