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• 4[00:01:49] <Iridos> you can squeeze another couple of years out of that system ^^
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• 16[00:09:15] <bhiliyam> Is there a way to make an application the default-application for all filetypes it supports?
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• 25[00:18:56] <Azrael_-> babilen: figured it out and now the problem doesn't arise any more. i was able to solve it by changing all mirrors to the fr-debian mirror. now everything is fine
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• 44[00:26:46] <xnull> hi, any howto to install php7 on debian 8 ? i would like to build from scratch php7 and pack into .deb package
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• 55[00:41:54] <woshty> xnull: Have you tried rebuilding the packages from testing for stable?
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• 59[00:42:55] <xnull> woshty: i was reading here..replaced-url
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• 63[00:45:12] <babilen> Azrael_-: Nice, I wonder what is wrong with ftp.debian.org then
• 64[00:45:38] <xnull> woshty: im downloading debian 8 now and going to install it on virtualbox first
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• 74[00:49:16] <woshty> xnull: If you are just playing around you could also try testing directly .. but that might not be a great idea if you are new to debian
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• 76[00:50:10] <xnull> woshty: do you mean install it from testing repo? php7.x ? ( i could do that if its oficial build by debian )
• 77[00:50:49] <woshty> xnull: replaced-url
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• 79[00:51:47] <woshty> xnull: There a different versions of Debian: stable, testing, and sid (unstable)
• 80[00:51:59] <xnull> woshty: i know that,
• 81[00:52:45] <woshty> xnull: php7 seems to be in the testing version. You could either completely upgrade your install to testing or try to just rebuild a testing package for use with stable
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• 84[00:54:28] <woshty> xnull: Rebuilding is sometimes annoying because you might not just have to rebuild php7 but lots of other packages.
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• 93[01:01:07] <zykotick9> ,checkbackport php
• 94[01:01:08] <judd> Backporting package php in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 95[01:01:44] <ewew> Hi. Does anyone have working udev rules for renaming network interfaces ?
• 96[01:01:51] <missmbob> no, you have to do php7.0
• 97[01:01:56] <missmbob> ,checkbackport php7.0
• 98[01:02:14] <zykotick9> missmbob: thanks. but xnull is already gone :(
• 99[01:02:17] <missmbob> anyway i checked earlier and the answer is no. it fails
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• 102[01:02:57] <judd> Backporting package php7.0 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtidy-dev (>= 1:5.2.0), libzip-dev (>= 1.0.0).
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• 107[01:04:46] <woshty> Have not been following this channel much as of late. Is xnull known here?
• 108[01:05:12] <missmbob> no
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• 111[01:06:53] <xnull> woshty: ups my pc crashed, damn linuxmint something is weird, with chrome,ram when my ram is almost out, sometimes the pc gets really slow, and i cannot do anything beside hard reboot
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• 116[01:08:16] <justin_smith> I was following the instructions on this page to update a 32 bit system to 64 and during the 'dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/*_amd64.deb' I ended up with a broken dpkg replaced-url
• 117[01:08:38] <justin_smith> is there a strightforward way to put the dpkg I have in cache in place by hand rather than doing a full reinstall from scratch?
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• 121[01:09:47] <woshty> xnull: We found out that rebuild the package from testing for stable is not an easy way to go.
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• 126[01:10:33] <TomG2> justin_smith, i've never done cross-grading, but what do you mean by "dpkg I have in cache"?
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• 128[01:10:42] <xnull> woshty: so should i use some unoficial packages?
• 129[01:10:43] <TomG2> do you mean all your .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives?
• 130[01:10:46] <justin_smith> TomG2: the dpkg .deb that is downloaded
• 131[01:10:48] <justin_smith> right
• 132[01:11:05] <justin_smith> specifically the pakcage for dpkg itself, which is hosed
• 133[01:11:09] <justin_smith> it needs to be replaced
• 134[01:11:21] <justin_smith> I get exec-format-error when I try to run it (other commands work)
• 135[01:11:38] <TomG2> maybe you're done and just need to reboot
• 136[01:11:46] <TomG2> do you have an amd64 kernel installed?
• 137[01:11:47] <woshty> xnull: Just install debian testing. It is less stable of course. But should work for trying things out.
• 138[01:11:47] <justin_smith> rebooting right now :)
• 139[01:11:54] <justin_smith> yes, 64 bit kernel
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• 141[01:12:13] <xnull> woshty: i cannot, i need php7 on my vps which runs debian7
• 142[01:12:22] <xnull> woshty: debian8 sorry
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• 146[01:12:36] <justin_smith> after reboot: +justin@fizzy: ~$ dpkg --help --- -bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
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• 151[01:13:51] <justin_smith> TomG2: hmm . my shell is acting like it doesnt like 64 bit executables
• 152[01:13:57] <zykotick9> ^ reason #284 not to crossgrade... ;) best of luck justin_smith
• 153[01:14:12] <TomG2> do apt or tar work? are you sure you booted with the amd64 kernel?
• 154[01:14:22] <justin_smith> OK - pebkack, this is not an amd64 kernel
• 155[01:14:27] <justin_smith> I can't believe I missed that
• 156[01:14:40] <justin_smith> my fault, thanks for the help, I'll just reinstall, it's a relatively new system
• 157[01:14:43] <TomG2> no problem, just brain burn out
• 158[01:14:53] <justin_smith> should have had coffee today
• 159[01:15:11] <TomG2> you can always use ar to install the i386 kernel
• 160[01:15:39] <justin_smith> wait, what I have now is the 686 kernel
• 161[01:15:57] <TomG2> though you would need tar... why do you need to reinstall?
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• 164[01:17:17] <justin_smith> TomG2: apt isn't usable, I guess I could use ar to get the 386 dpkg and apt back, and from that I could get the amd64 kernel etc.
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• 166[01:17:36] <justin_smith> or am I missing something else here?
• 167[01:17:44] <TomG2> justin_smith, howcome the amd64 kernel isn't already installed?
• 168[01:18:04] <justin_smith> TomG2: that was my mistake - amd64 kernel was the first step and I thought I had done it already
• 169[01:18:25] <justin_smith> (I had upgraded to an rt kernel, and misremembered picking an amd64 one)
• 170[01:18:27] <TomG2> maybe the fastest way is to use an install disc as a rescue image
• 171[01:18:37] <justin_smith> oh, that might be, yes
• 172[01:18:51] <TomG2> and just boot with a 64 bit kernel there, and then install it with apt
• 173[01:18:53] <woshty> xnull: I would advice against non-official packages.
• 174[01:19:12] <justin_smith> TomG2: cool - that might be the simplest thing
• 175[01:19:32] <xnull> woshty: yeah, thats why i want to build php from scratch
• 176[01:20:04] <TomG2> in my experience just about everything can be solved in Linux from the root prompt or a rescue CD :)
• 177[01:20:30] <TomG2> though i'm not as experienced as many who hang out in a #debian channel...
• 178[01:20:50] <justin_smith> so I would boot from rescue, then mount / rw, then install amd64 kernel?
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• 180[01:21:20] <woshty> TomG2: Does that include understanding grub? ;)
• 181[01:22:11] <TomG2> justin_smith, make sure you are booting an amd64 kernel from the rescue CD/DVD, and then choose "execute a shell in the chroot environment"
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• 183[01:22:26] <woshty> TomG2: I always fail at that point doing anything with bootable media ..
• 184[01:22:39] <justin_smith> OK - then the apt that is already on that disk would work, right
• 185[01:23:05] <justin_smith> and I let the install script with the kernel mess with the grub part :)
• 186[01:23:21] <TomG2> if you can get that far i think you'll basically be done. you may have to start networking in order to download the kernel, or install it from the boot DVD if it's the same version
• 187[01:23:24] <woshty> xnull: That might also not work if php7 need libraries that are not available in Debian stable in the required version
• 188[01:23:36] <woshty> +s
• 189[01:23:37] <TomG2> woshty, i guess i don't really understand grub
• 190[01:23:57] <xnull> woshty: well others made deb packages (php )for debian8
• 191[01:24:32] <zykotick9> xnull: but, can you trust "others"?
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• 193[01:24:51] <xnull> zykotick9: no, thats why i want to build it from sources
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• 198[01:31:05] <zykotick9> xnull: <sidenote> i had to just run lsb_release to confirm debian8 = jessie. the debian community uses release codename more then version #s.
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• 212[01:35:33] <lechatnoire> Morning.
• 213[01:35:40] <dirac1> Morning.
• 214[01:36:47] <zykotick9> ^ where TZAG (Time Zone Appropriate Greeting) is handy... it's evning where i am ;)
• 215[01:36:50] <lechatnoire> I've just realised that neither bootlogd nor dmesg are logging during boot, apparently as some Fine Amazing New systemd feature. Any ideas of fixes / workarounds?
• 216[01:37:05] <lechatnoire> Bug 791907
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• 220[01:38:00] <lechatnoire> do the bots give bug descriptions?
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• 226[01:41:10] <lechatnoire> Anyhow: I've got a box that's rebooting during bootup, and I'd appreciate if it would leave some indication as to why.
• 227[01:41:12] <zykotick9> Bug replaced-url
• 228[01:41:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 229[01:41:41] <lechatnoire> zykotick9: The fix is to update the description of bootlogd to note that it doesn't work with systemd.
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• 231[01:42:08] <zykotick9> lechatnoire: sorry, i have NO ideas about your actual issue! best of luck.
• 232[01:42:11] <lechatnoire> zykotick9: ... that's not ... particularly useful if what you need is boot-time logging.
• 233[01:42:14] <lechatnoire> zykotick9: :)
• 234[01:43:25] <lechatnoire> Alternatively: is there something I can pass the kernel at boot time that tells it to wait for a few seconds before rebooting so that I can read the console messages?
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• 236[01:43:25] <justin_smith> TomG2: dpkg is complaining that it cannot find the status area
• 237[01:43:49] <TomG2> are you sure you're in the chroot environment?
• 238[01:44:03] <TomG2> df -h /
• 239[01:44:04] <TomG2> maybe
• 240[01:44:08] <justin_smith> oh, how do I get to the chroot environment? is that the thing that mentioned the installer?
• 241[01:44:35] <justin_smith> I have my root file system mounted on /, with the installer disk's busybox shell
• 242[01:44:58] <TomG2> you have booted by typing "rescue" it will provide a menu of how you want to start a shell
• 243[01:45:42] <justin_smith> umm... that doens't sound like the startup I got from this disk at all - I picked "rescue" from the menu that the debian installer disk gave me
• 244[01:46:02] <justin_smith> and it walked me through the same first steps as doing an install without the gui
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• 247[01:46:10] <TomG2> sounds normal so far
• 248[01:46:26] <justin_smith> then I picked "rescue shell with sda1 mounted on /"
• 249[01:46:31] <justin_smith> that was the wrong choice then?
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• 251[01:46:56] <justin_smith> I'll try again and look for a chroot option - the only other thing I noticed was an installer shell, that didn't sound right
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• 254[01:47:19] <justin_smith> I mean sda1 mounted on / sounds a lot like a chroot but I didn't see that specific term
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• 256[01:47:44] <awal1> ,v pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree
• 257[01:47:45] <judd> No package named 'pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64.
• 258[01:47:47] <justin_smith> anyway, it won't let me dpkg because it can't find the status area
• 259[01:47:48] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: I missed the start of this. What are you trying to do?
• 260[01:47:59] <TomG2> i'll start the rescue disc in an emulator to make sure i can follow along what you're doing
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• 262[01:48:19] <lechatnoire> judd: Do you have non-free repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 263[01:48:20] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: I flubbed a crossgrade from 1306 to amd64, thought I had the amd64 kernel already but I didn't
• 264[01:48:33] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: so I was left with apt and dpkg that couldn't be run by my kernel
• 265[01:48:35] <awal1> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
• 266[01:48:36] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
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• 272[01:49:12] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: now I'm in a rescue disk, with amd64 kernel, trying to install an amd64 kernel (everything else on my disk is fine, so maybe I don't need to do a full system install?)
• 273[01:49:16] * lechatnoire starts learning the new bots.
• 274[01:49:17] <TomG2> lechatnoire, i suggested he boot a rescue DVD to repair the installation, which seemed easy at the time
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• 276[01:49:25] <lechatnoire> TomG2: Right.
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• 278[01:49:46] <justin_smith> so it can't access the status area
• 279[01:49:53] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: What's a 1306? i386?
• 280[01:50:02] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: typo, yes
• 281[01:50:08] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: OK, that's clearer.
• 282[01:50:23] <TomG2> justin_smith, it sounds like amd64 is running, it's just not got the right directory tree yet
• 283[01:50:26] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: I'm ... not sure that your packages are going to be happy here.
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• 285[01:50:35] <justin_smith> TomG2: the kernel is running, not installed
• 286[01:50:41] <justin_smith> my actual directory is installed on /
• 287[01:50:47] <justin_smith> I want to install the kernel...
• 288[01:51:12] <TomG2> have you run dpkg --add-architecture amd64 yet?
• 289[01:51:12] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: If you've got your system disk mounted, cd to it, and 'chroot . /bin/bash'
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• 292[01:51:26] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: OK - one minute
• 293[01:51:50] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: ... should put you into that environment. If you've got amd64 sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, you should be able to install from that.
• 294[01:52:02] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: I ... wrote the original chroot install docs, a long time ago.
• 295[01:52:12] <justin_smith> OK - the chroot succeeded, and I am in bash
• 296[01:52:17] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: Yay!
• 297[01:52:17] <TomG2> he was following the guide on the debian wiki
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• 299[01:53:26] <justin_smith> OK - next issue, is that /var is empty
• 300[01:53:35] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: Not mounted.
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• 302[01:53:58] <justin_smith> I don't recall making a separate partition for /var... but I'll try
• 303[01:54:13] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: /etc/init.d/mountall start
• 304[01:54:18] <TomG2> maybe you made it in the install process?
• 305[01:54:21] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: ... I think. Or 'mount -a'
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• 307[01:54:45] <TomG2> mount -a ought to work too, at least on systems that use fstab...
• 308[01:54:48] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: If you've got separate partitions for /var, /usr, /tmp, etc, they're not mounted at boot.
• 309[01:54:58] <lechatnoire> TomG2: Is fstab not being used any more?
• 310[01:55:07] <lechatnoire> TomG2: ... another systemd thing?
• 311[01:55:13] <TomG2> i don't know, i just fear ... systemd...
• 312[01:55:52] <lechatnoire> TomG2: I hear you.
• 313[01:56:07] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: Do you have any filesystems mounted yet?
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• 315[01:57:44] <lechatnoire> justin_smith: I'm also trying to remember how Debian determines what the local system architecture is.
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• 317[01:57:58] <lechatnoire> ... for packaging purposes. Because it's _not_ by /etc/apt/sources.list
• 318[01:58:02] <lechatnoire> Maybe uname?
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• 321[01:59:32] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: hey thanks, var wasn't mounted
• 322[01:59:56] <justin_smith> once I mounted it things started working (I was already chrooted the first time too, but switching to bash from busybox was nice)
• 323[01:59:58] <TomG2> lechatnoire, apparently dpkg --add-architecture
• 324[02:00:02] <justin_smith> installing a better kernel now
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• 326[02:00:21] <TomG2> he's using this guide replaced-url
• 327[02:00:40] <lechatnoire> TomG2: Thanks
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• 333[02:01:56] <lechatnoire> TomG2: justin_smith: I'm inclined to take the advice of that doc: reinstallation is your better bet.
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• 335[02:02:16] <lechatnoire> Unless you're in it for the learning experience.
• 336[02:02:50] <justin_smith> lechatnoire: heh, well almost done now - rebooting and should have the new kernel
• 337[02:03:11] <TomG2> can ... yeah, at least try this one last thing
• 338[02:03:45] <justin_smith> and at that point a mix of 386 and amd64 is valid - but I'll switch things to amd64 based on the things that absolutely need 64 bit performance (making a semi-rt system here)
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• 345[02:07:39] <firef1y> hey, how do you install adobe flash on debian?
• 346[02:07:51] <firef1y> I'm trying to apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
• 347[02:07:59] <firef1y> but it keeps 404'ing on replaced-url
• 348[02:08:04] <firef1y> er.
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• 350[02:08:17] <firef1y> but it keeps 404'ing on replaced-url
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• 356[02:10:59] <somiaj> firef1y: the scripts are broken at the moment, you have to manually download the plugin and then copy it into the correct spot.
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• 362[02:12:24] <jmcnaught> firef1y: there's also browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 363[02:12:35] <lechatnoire> how would I disable Xorg from starting at boot?
• 364[02:13:02] <TomG2> lechatnoire, update-rc.d gdm disable perhaps
• 365[02:13:13] <lechatnoire> TomG2: tx.
• 366[02:13:13] <TomG2> it could be xdm/wdm/gdm/kdm and i think there's others
• 367[02:13:15] <jmcnaught> firef1y: replaced-url
• 368[02:13:30] <lechatnoire> TomG2: lightdm. I thought there was a systemd toggle thing as well.
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• 371[02:13:56] <TomG2> i assume update-rc.d will still work whatever init software you have...
• 372[02:14:05] <lechatnoire> TomG2: Yeah, I was just going to mention that
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• 375[02:16:02] <lechatnoire> and: is there a reboot-delay option that can be passed to the kernel?
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• 377[02:16:17] <lechatnoire> I'd like to see where startup is hosing.
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• 381[02:19:28] <TomG2> do you want a delay when it's rebooting, like just before the cold/warm hardware reboot and the computer resets into the bios?
• 382[02:19:47] <lechatnoire> "panic=NN" seems to be what I was looking for.
• 383[02:20:14] <lechatnoire> TomG2: I want a delay _before_ it reboots, which ... happens during the boot process right now.
• 384[02:20:28] <lechatnoire> I can't see what's triggering that, though it's well into systemd stuff.
• 385[02:20:36] <TomG2> and if it's panicing then that sounds like the right option
• 386[02:20:49] <lechatnoire> TomG2: I'm not sure it's a panic, but there's nothing I've got to go on yet.
• 387[02:21:06] <lechatnoire> The option of not having the damned X server start would also be peachy, I'll get to that.
• 388[02:21:11] <lechatnoire> Single-user boots OK.
• 389[02:21:24] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 390[02:21:43] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: have you enabled persistent journals?
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• 393[02:22:10] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: NFC. What's that?
• 394[02:22:21] <TomG2> near field communication
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• 396[02:22:27] <lechatnoire> And ... OK, it booted that time. May have been Xorg, as I also changed a config there.
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• 400[02:24:48] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: journald is systemd's native logging system. it's not persistent on Debian by default because syslog is used for writing to disk. the log entries you were looking for would probably be easy to find with journalctl which has a --boot option to show logs from a specific boot
• 401[02:25:14] <jmcnaught> look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian there's more info there
• 402[02:25:52] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: TX
• 403[02:26:34] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: And yes, I've been booting rescue (single-user) to investigate bits.
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• 405[02:26:49] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Looks like I managed to boot this time, but Radeon's hosing me again.
• 406[02:27:12] <jmcnaught> what is the error?
• 407[02:27:29] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Death.
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• 409[02:27:46] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: No logged or captured output. Fails to respond to ping or arp. Display visible but frozen.
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• 411[02:28:09] <lechatnoire> I had an ssh session with dmesg and /var/log/kern.log tailed, they showed nothing.
• 412[02:28:24] <lechatnoire> A few seconds after launching glxgears, everything freezes.
• 413[02:28:41] <jmcnaught> are you using the radeon module? or amd_gpu, or fglrx? do you have the radeon non-free firmware blobs installed?
• 414[02:28:56] <lechatnoire> lechatnoire: That's the problem I was trying to diagnose before the kernel-crash-during-boot problem appeared.
• 415[02:28:56] <stephanie92> question... it's telling me that there is an icedove (and iceowl-extension) update available, but it was held back. Doesn't this generally imply there is some type of compatibility issue?
• 416[02:29:08] <lechatnoire> stephanie92: Yes
• 417[02:29:21] <lechatnoire> stephanie92: apt show icedove should show you the conflicts.
• 418[02:29:50] <stephanie92> lechatnoire: Great, thanks!
• 419[02:29:56] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: I've been working on the radeon issue in #radeon. Yes, I'm using the radeon module. I haven't tried amd_gpu or fglrx
• 420[02:30:05] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: if you look at "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" you'll probably see that it wants to install thunderbird
• 421[02:30:50] <stephanie92> jmcnaught: Oh wow, yep O_o
• 422[02:30:52] <lechatnoire> stephanie92: Also: the ice* branded packages are being phased out for Mozilla's own following trademark resolution.
• 423[02:30:58] <jmcnaught> stephanie92: apt-get upgrade cannot add or remove packages (it's the safe upgrade method) but dist-upgrade can pull in new dependencies, and remove conflicts
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• 425[02:31:27] <stephanie92> lechatnoire: But right now icedove comes with an apparmor profile :(
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• 428[02:32:49] <lechatnoire> stephanie92: And thunderbird doesn't?
• 429[02:32:59] <stephanie92> lechatnoire: I don't believe so
• 430[02:33:07] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: many radeon cards need a non-free firmware to work properly. on jessie these are in the firmware-linux-nonfree package (you must have non-free sources set up), or in jessie-backports and stretch the package is firmware-amd-graphics
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• 432[02:33:37] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: That's what seemed to start causing the problem.
• 433[02:34:01] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Booting w/o firmware was slow, but not crashy.
• 434[02:34:12] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Booting w/ non-free firmware is fast, but crashy.
• 435[02:34:19] <jmcnaught> sadly it's not the first time i've heard of this happening
• 436[02:34:39] <jmcnaught> without the firmware did you look at systemd-analyze after a slow boot?
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• 439[02:34:52] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: No.
• 440[02:34:56] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Not familiar with that.
• 441[02:35:12] <lechatnoire> and WTF is a slow boot? w/o firmware, you mean?
• 442[02:35:47] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: yeah, i meant when it was booting slowly did you look at "systemd-analyze blame" for example
• 443[02:36:08] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: No. No idea that exists :)
• 444[02:36:14] <lechatnoire> I'll give it a shot.
• 445[02:36:46] <jmcnaught> systemd has a few new goodies. systemd-cgls is pretty cool too in my opinion
• 446[02:36:51] <lechatnoire> OK
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• 448[02:37:00] <TomG2> ... it even says in man bootparam that debug is a kernel boot argument
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• 451[02:37:37] <lechatnoire> TomG2: Point.
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• 454[02:39:27] <lechatnoire> TomG2: What's a good SVG file viewer? AFAIR you need inkscape or ... its viewer, no?
• 455[02:39:45] <lechatnoire> And the graphviz output tool sounds slick.
• 456[02:40:25] <TomG2> i don't know, GIMP? Firefox or spin-off? whatever comes with gnome/mate?
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• 465[02:44:38] <TomG2> gpicview works
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• 468[02:50:47] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Sorry, misunderstanding -- it's not that the system boots slowly, but that the graphics display is slow and CPU intensive w/ software accelleration.
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• 470[02:51:08] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: oh i see
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• 472[02:51:11] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: So -- the boot profiling is neat, but not particularly interesting in this context.
• 473[02:51:44] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: are you using jessie or stretch?
• 474[02:51:49] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: jessie
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• 476[02:52:02] <jmcnaught> lechatnoire: have you tried using a newer kernel from jessie-backports?
• 477[02:52:10] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: I've compiled 4.11
• 478[02:52:20] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: They don't get much shinier
• 479[02:52:42] <jmcnaught> and the firmware, did you install that with a package?
• 480[02:52:47] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Yes.
• 481[02:53:11] <jmcnaught> and that package had a name?
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• 484[02:53:37] <jmcnaught> if it was firmware-linux-nonfree, then perhaps newer firmwares from firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 487[02:56:14] <TomG2> lechatnoire, have you checked the wiki for 3D accelleration on Radeon? replaced-url
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• 489[02:58:23] <lechatnoire> TomG2: firmware-linux-nonfree IIRC.
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• 493[02:59:43] <lechatnoire> Or was that WiFi? Checking notes...
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• 495[03:00:12] <jmcnaught> well firmware-amd-graphics is newer, available in jessie-backports
• 496[03:00:15] <jmcnaught> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
• 497[03:00:45] <jmcnaught> hmm... well there's a newer version of that in jessie-backports as well
• 498[03:00:53] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 13.0.6-1+b2; experimental: 17.0.4-1
• 499[03:00:56] <TomG2> that sounds like wifi...
• 500[03:01:17] <jmcnaught> i'll be back in a while, good luck with the issue ☺
• 501[03:01:50] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: TX
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• 514[03:12:54] <wondiws> I have this nasty problem: I need to press Fn-Insert for the End key, I'd rather not use Fn-lock because then I lose my F1-F12 keys, is there a way to define/map my keys?
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• 516[03:14:33] <esaym153> for apt sources is "deb.debian.org/debian-security/ jessie/updates" the same as "security.debian.org/ jessie/updates"?
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• 518[03:15:07] <justin_smith> TomG2: lechatnoire: thanks for the guidance, I just installed amd64 and since home was in its own partition that was easy, now I just need to re-install all the deps for my project but that's trivial
• 519[03:16:38] <TomG2> you had to reinstall anyway? down side...
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• 521[03:17:39] <lechatnoire> wondiws: There's xmodmap
• 522[03:17:55] <lechatnoire> wondiws: If you want to redefine console keys, you can, though that's through another utility.
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• 524[03:18:19] <wondiws> lechatnoire, console keys? So that won't have effect in X11?
• 525[03:18:20] <lechatnoire> wondiws: The xkeycaps utility, IIRC, shows you what keys are what, and you can use that to help come up with a new mapping.
• 526[03:18:30] <lechatnoire> wondiws: xmodmap remaps X11.
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• 529[03:18:53] <lechatnoire> wondiws: the console key stuff (and I forget the name, though "consolekeys" may be it) affects only the console mapping.
• 530[03:19:02] <lechatnoire> wondiws: I mostly do a ctrl-capslock swap.
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• 532[03:19:44] <wondiws> lechatnoire, thanks
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• 535[03:22:05] <lechatnoire> wondiws: xmodmap lets you remap any given key, and is probably what you want.
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• 542[03:27:18] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: Where'd you turn up the firmware-amd-graphics reference?
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• 544[03:29:37] <lechatnoire> jmcnaught: FWIW, that doesn't seem to apply to the Radeon Mobility X1600 card (which I've got).
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• 572[03:43:01] <j4ckcom> there is a program that can running raspberry pi when i turn off computer that run ssh?
• 573[03:43:06] <j4ckcom> help me
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• 575[03:43:32] <bazhang> raspbian?
• 576[03:43:47] <j4ckcom> kali
• 577[03:44:05] <bazhang> #kali-linux for that
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• 579[03:44:16] <bazhang> this is #debian
• 580[03:44:26] <j4ckcom> this is problem of linux
• 581[03:44:28] <j4ckcom> lol
• 582[03:44:33] <j4ckcom> oh
• 583[03:44:35] <j4ckcom> yes
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• 585[03:44:38] <j4ckcom> raspberian
• 586[03:44:42] <bazhang> its a kali problem
• 587[03:44:52] <missmbob> !kali
• 588[03:44:53] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 589[03:44:58] <j4ckcom> i m confused i m using raspberian
• 590[03:45:04] <bazhang> then use #raspbian
• 591[03:45:15] <j4ckcom> i heard that raspbian is dist of debian
• 592[03:45:21] <j4ckcom> oh my
• 593[03:45:21] <bazhang> also not supported here
• 594[03:45:22] <j4ckcom> god
• 595[03:45:23] <missmbob> no
• 596[03:45:29] <bazhang> it's not
• 597[03:45:29] <j4ckcom> i use debian now
• 598[03:45:33] <j4ckcom> i m so confused
• 599[03:45:37] <bazhang> why lie
• 600[03:45:38] <j4ckcom> :)
• 601[03:45:47] <j4ckcom> oh because i m beginner
• 602[03:45:51] <bazhang> you are on kali, go there
• 603[03:46:02] <bazhang> #kali-linux
• 604[03:46:09] <Devastator> he is a troll, don't feed him
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• 606[03:47:02] <j4ckcom> there is a program that can running debian when i turn off computer that run ssh?
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• 609[03:47:47] <j4ckcom> there is a program that can run debian, when i turn off computer that run ssh?
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• 613[03:48:28] <bazhang> j4ckcom, /join #kali-linux
• 614[03:48:44] <bazhang> stop asking here j4ckcom
• 615[03:48:47] <j4ckcom> bazhang: it is debian not kali
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• 617[03:49:22] <j4ckcom> i m so confused so i answer it as kali. but it is debian
• 618[03:50:13] <j4ckcom> it is screen and tmux
• 619[03:50:14] <j4ckcom> lol
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• 621[03:51:55] <j4ckcom> bazhang: it is too difficult?
• 622[03:51:56] <j4ckcom> :(
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• 624[03:53:14] <bazhang> j4ckcom, I wont be helping with your kali issues, so stop asking
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• 626[03:55:39] <j4ckcom> tmux is command of linux :( bazhang
• 627[03:55:50] <j4ckcom> not kali
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• 629[03:55:56] <j4ckcom> and i use debian now
• 630[03:56:05] <j4ckcom> bazhang: :(
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• 632[03:56:22] <bazhang> j4ckcom, stop asking me.
• 633[03:57:00] <j4ckcom> bazhang: ok then don’t answer me x(
• 634[03:58:54] <j4ckcom> bazhang: bye
• 635[03:59:00] <j4ckcom> i m leaving now
• 636[03:59:04] <j4ckcom> for you
• 637[03:59:08] <j4ckcom> bazhang:
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• 640[04:00:35] <deego> 8.8 is released .. The topic could be updated
• 641[04:00:55] <themill> deego: what would you change in /topic?
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• 643[04:01:03] <deego> make a wild guess
• 644[04:01:14] * themill is trying
• 645[04:01:40] <missmbob> nope, i dont see it either
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• 673[04:15:08] <dax> themill: there's a misspelling of stretch in there :D
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• 675[04:18:03] <themill> yeah, should fix that..
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• 706[04:36:13] <quietone> i want to put /tmp on tmpfs. 'systemctl status tmp.mount' says that it is disabled.
• 707[04:36:27] <quietone> so, i need to enable that and add a line to /etc/fstab. Correct?
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• 709[04:36:45] <quietone> will that enable persist on reboot?
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• 712[04:40:31] <missmbob> yeah, fstab. yes, it persists
• 713[04:41:37] <quietone> missmbob, thanks
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• 721[04:46:26] <themill> quietone: perhaps better is to enable tmp.mount
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• 723[04:47:07] <themill> there should be no need to touch fstab to enable /tmp on tmpfs as a permanent configuration
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• 765[05:22:05] <lechatnoire> themill: How ... are mounts being handled these days?
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• 768[05:24:05] <quietone> I needed to both enable and start the service. /tmp is now using tmpfs, at the default of 50% RAM.
• 769[05:24:36] <quietone> Since I want to adjust that size it looks like I will need an fstab entry
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• 779[05:35:36] <themill> lechatnoire: same as ever
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• 783[05:38:09] <lechatnoire> themill: Oh. I'm confusing fstab and mtab.
• 784[05:38:14] <lechatnoire> Or am i?
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• 786[05:39:01] <lechatnoire> themill: ... wait, no. If you're going to change your mount options, you'd want that in /etc/fstab. I'm confused.
• 787[05:39:43] <themill> special filesystems like /proc, /sys, /tmp-on-tmpfs have been outside fstab for close to a decade
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• 789[05:42:07] <themill> quietone: you can configure the size via the tmp.mount Options=… line
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• 791[05:47:02] <lechatnoire> themill: I've been losing track then.
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• 811[06:20:30] <SmokeyD> hey all, with aptitude, how do I match a specific package version to install? I want to install libpq5=9.4.* or libpq<9.5 or something along those lines
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• 813[06:20:55] <SmokeyD> and it has to be aptitude, not apt-get because I am using ansible which uses python-apt which uses aptitude
• 814[06:21:02] <SmokeyD> I think
• 815[06:21:22] <themill> the specific version has to exist first and multiple versions don't normally exist
• 816[06:21:39] <SmokeyD> yes, they do in this case because I have multiple repositories
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• 818[06:22:12] <themill> also, python-apt uses libapt directly
• 819[06:22:34] <themill> the command line tools use package=version; there is no wild-carding available
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• 821[06:22:45] <SmokeyD> but with libapt there is?
• 822[06:22:51] <themill> I doubt it
• 823[06:23:25] <themill> apt respects pinning configuration though
• 824[06:23:56] * SmokeyD is googling pinning configurations
• 825[06:24:13] <themill> !pinning
• 826[06:24:13] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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• 830[06:29:22] <SmokeyD> I don't exactly know how ansible does it, but the docs state it does allow version matching with wildcards
• 831[06:30:31] <SmokeyD> I was assuming that it used the same syntax as aptitude does because it needs aptitude to be installed to work at all, but apparently it uses the same syntax as apt-et does, with version number wildcards
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• 864[07:07:32] <esaym153> is there a text list of debian mirrors kind of like how ubuntu has: replaced-url
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• 883[07:18:19] <jelly> esaym153: dunno, hunt around replaced-url
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• 888[07:22:22] <lechatnoire> How does Debian handle automounting (or not) removeable media these days?
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• 890[07:24:16] <lechatnoire> Ok ... Cinnamon did pop up a file mangler.
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• 893[07:28:34] <themill> esaym153, jelly: there's a plain text and a .822 version somewhere... I don't recall where though
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• 896[07:29:50] <jelly> lechatnoire: Gnome (default DE) in upcoming release asks what do to for most hot-plugs, and has tunables to disable all of that
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• 898[07:30:38] <lechatnoire> jelly: Yeah, I'm running Cinnamon desktop. There was a file-manager (Nemo) window that popped up, I managed to kill it a bit too quickly.
• 899[07:30:40] <jelly> that includes usb-storage, mtp, ptp
• 900[07:30:48] <lechatnoire> jelly: I'm more used to mounting stuff myself.
• 901[07:30:52] <lechatnoire> What's mtp / ptp?
• 902[07:31:14] <jelly> protocols used by cameras and (android?) phones
• 903[07:31:23] <lechatnoire> Ah.
• 904[07:31:44] <jelly> mtp was mp3 players first I think
• 905[07:31:55] <lechatnoire> OK
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• 909[07:35:28] <lechatnoire> For a non-Linux user, is there a password safe program reasonably like OSX's Keychain Access?
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• 912[07:36:53] <lechatnoire> Preferably something which interoperates with utilities. Mostly Firefox (and yes, I know it has its own password utility / safe).
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• 929[07:52:11] <xormor> replaced-url
• 930[07:52:26] <nkuttler> xormor: read the topic
• 931[07:52:35] <xormor> nkuttler, ok
• 932[07:52:51] <xormor> nkuttler, off-topic
• 933[07:53:02] <xormor> nkuttler, and no pasting
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• 1127[10:53:09] <userro> I got updates for 29 packages. vim/stable 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3 [upgradable from: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u2], unzip/stable 6.0-16+deb8u3 [upgradable from: 6.0-16+deb8u2]. All have only one difference i.e deb8u[number] is upgraded to deb8u[number+1] has this happened to anyone else?
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• 1133[10:53:51] <userro> Is something wrong with my debian?
• 1134[10:55:00] <bazhang> userro, wrong how
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• 1138[10:56:51] <userro> like maybe I changed something I shouldn't have changed because I recently did something with the sources list
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• 1140[10:57:24] <bazhang> what did you add to the sources.list
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• 1143[10:59:13] <userro> replaced-url
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• 1145[11:01:19] <bazhang> userro, could you please pastebin your sources.list and give us the url
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• 1157[11:07:13] <bazhang> irc.oftc.net <--- davidl
• 1158[11:07:26] <davidl> ty
• 1159[11:07:45] <bazhang> np
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• 1164[11:10:10] <davidl> I'm using gnome on Debian Testing and I'm getting "Failed to Fork Child Process" and can't open any windows. Any suggestions?
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• 1184[11:27:22] <userro> bazhang, replaced-url
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• 1187[11:28:41] <jelly> userro: nothing wrong, a point release happened
• 1188[11:28:54] <jelly> /msg dpkg 8.8
• 1189[11:29:15] <bazhang> userro, you used the ubuntu xenial PPA, then uncommented it?
• 1190[11:29:15] <userro> oh ok thank you
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• 1200[11:32:09] <userro> oops, only lines that are uncommented are the lines that have "deb-src"
• 1201[11:32:24] <userro> I accidentally added # to all lines
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• 1206[11:35:06] <userro> in my paste
• 1207[11:35:21] <userro> not in my actual file
• 1208[11:35:45] <bazhang> why would you use Ubuntu PPA with debian
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• 1214[11:39:45] <userro> I probably did that to get some package
• 1215[11:40:14] <userro> I don't remember which package but I followed a guide
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• 1221[11:42:45] <bazhang> the webupd8 guide
• 1222[11:43:03] <DoctorD90> goodmorning! :D jelly at the end, reinstalling, it seems that all works, except nouveau driver (id like to keep them disabled and use gpu only for computational tasks), ndvidia-detect said "no nvidia detected", and ath10k error while loading at boot phase :D before it asks for /home luks password ^^ replaced-url
• 1223[11:43:26] <DoctorD90> the great stuff is the autoinstallation :D it is great :D I have to learn it :D
• 1224[11:45:17] <jelly> DoctorD90: the little I know about ath10k from having an access point containing it, some of the firmware is optional.
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• 1229[11:46:33] <userro> bazhang, I found it. I followed this: replaced-url
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• 1231[11:48:41] <DoctorD90> jelly, so in theory it is "normal"? ...btw yea, it works. I'd ignore it...."issue" willl be with gpu :P
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• 1236[11:51:01] <hanshenrik> >Unfortunately, this means that libv8-3.14, nodejs, and the associated node-* package ecosystem should not currently be used with untrusted content, such as unsanitized data from the Internet.
• 1237[11:51:02] <hanshenrik> >In addition, these packages will not receive any security updates during the lifetime of the Stretch release.
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• 1239[11:51:18] <hanshenrik> that's utterly insane for software who's primary purpose is web servers
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• 1241[11:51:21] <testuser_> Is there anything like a "clear" command for terminal when connected via ftp or sftp on a terminal?
• 1242[11:51:33] <jelly> hanshenrik: the other option is not to ship at all
• 1243[11:51:38] <hanshenrik> yes, do that
• 1244[11:51:57] <hanshenrik> tell people, if they want node, go get it from a maintained source, like the official repo or something
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• 1246[11:52:21] <DoctorD90> btw thx for all your help jelly :D i really appreciate ^^ thx!
• 1247[11:52:25] <jelly> hanshenrik: if you can make a cohesive argument, please do so in the relevant bug report
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• 1250[11:53:50] <userro> I installed nodejs from their sources recently
• 1251[11:54:23] <nacknime> the nodesource repo?
• 1252[11:54:37] <userro> yes
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• 1255[11:55:44] <jelly> hanshenrik: I think the user will get a warning at installation time, if debian-security-support is installed
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• 1257[11:56:20] <hanshenrik> which is not installed by default
• 1258[11:56:39] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1282[12:15:58] <jelly> userro: if you need java8, consider using openjdk-8-jre from jessie-backports instead of an unsupported PPA
• 1283[12:16:15] <jelly> or openjdk-8-jdk, whatever your needs are
• 1284[12:16:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell userro about jessie-backports
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• 1288[12:18:35] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jdk --arch amd64
• 1289[12:18:52] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u121-b13-4.1; sid: 8u131-b11-1
• 1290[12:19:03] <userro> ah I didn't know that
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• 1292[12:19:38] <userro> thanks
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• 1298[12:23:57] <SlaSerX> hello
• 1299[12:23:58] <SlaSerX> how i can limt display only processes by a user in htop or ps -aux
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• 1310[12:32:34] <jelly> SlaSerX: for ps, don't use -a ?
• 1311[12:33:02] <teraflops> SlaSerX: you mean 'ps aux'
• 1312[12:33:23] <teraflops> poor ps…
• 1313[12:33:37] <jelly> SlaSerX: and htop has help on F1
• 1314[12:33:42] <jelly> read it.
• 1315[12:33:54] <SlaSerX> nope i just limit users cant see all process on server
• 1316[12:34:01] <SlaSerX> i just want to look own process
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• 1318[12:34:50] <jelly> oh well
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• 1325[12:37:59] <jelly> probably wanted something like replaced-url
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• 1339[12:45:37] <jelly> or hidepid in vanilla kernel, works in jessie replaced-url
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• 1351[12:54:13] <jabbie> Hi, not sure if this is correct place to ask questions regarding megacli.
• 1352[12:54:59] <jabbie> my issue is this, for some reason the configuration is gone , so i will need to recreate the configuration
• 1353[12:55:27] <jabbie> after alot of searching on web ive seen this could do the trick, but not 100% megacli -CfgLdAdd -r1 [252:0,252:1] WB RA Direct CachedBadBBU -a0
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• 1355[12:55:58] <jabbie> but im worrying this would zero out the hdd and basicly just make new clean raid
• 1356[12:56:05] <jabbie> anyone that are expert in this here ? :)
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• 1358[12:58:50] <jelly> there is no right place for MegaCLI
• 1359[12:59:56] <jelly> but maybe try ##linux and/or a more enterprisey distro channel, considering those LSI controllers used to be put in brand-name servers
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• 1379[13:05:52] <jabbie> 1614 members and noone knows megacli would be shocking :)
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• 1384[13:08:00] <jelly> well I know enough to stay the fuck away from it (and any old Dells or X series)
• 1385[13:09:19] <jabbie> thats so elite, but we not all like you jelly
• 1386[13:09:58] <jelly> not elite at all, I'd honestly rather use md raid
• 1387[13:10:36] <jabbie> sure md works great too, but in my scenario it isnt so im gonna figure it out
• 1388[13:11:08] <jabbie> can let you know how it goes and you might start be able to use megacli :>
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• 1397[13:15:52] <jelly> when I did have to do an initial array setup on those, I usually used their bios
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• 1402[13:18:00] <jelly> jabbie: you can also see if anyone in #linux-raid (channel for md, really) has a clue
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• 1419[13:27:21] <blackflow> DEBIAN! Y U NO SECURITY! replaced-url
• 1420[13:27:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1422[13:28:54] <jonathan_x> After accidentally wiping some configuration file apt-get install --reinstall doesn't unpack it, what could cause it?
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• 1426[13:30:21] <jolt> jonathan_x: No idea which package you talk about here, but sometimes config files belong to a -common package, which also needs to be reinstalled to restore the files
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• 1428[13:30:53] <jolt> jonathan_x: worst case, dpkg -i package might help if the apt process was broken somehow, but that would be a last resort thing
• 1429[13:31:05] <jonathan_x> jolt: when I download the package myself and unpack it using dpkg-deb -x the file is just there
• 1430[13:31:13] <jolt> jonathan_x: look at packages.debian.org, furthest down, search for the config to see which package created it
• 1431[13:31:32] <jolt> jonathan_x: There might also be a post-install script in the package that does something with the config
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• 1433[13:31:52] <jonathan_x> it just seems to not unpack the config if doing a reinstall
• 1434[13:31:56] <jonathan_x> I will check the script
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• 1437[13:33:05] <jonathan_x> lol
• 1438[13:33:06] <jonathan_x> # If the user has removed the config file, respect this sign of dementia
• 1439[13:33:06] <jonathan_x> # -- only create on package install.
• 1440[13:33:19] <jolt> There you go :)
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• 1445[13:34:44] <jonathan_x> actually that didn't apply to the file in question, oops.
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• 1447[13:35:09] <jonathan_x> in this case it is libpam-modules and the file is /etc/security/access.conf
• 1448[13:35:39] <jelly> blackflow: do you actually have bind9 exposed on the internets?
• 1449[13:35:47] <jonathan_x> it's just a file in the package
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• 1451[13:36:03] <blackflow> jelly: yeppers, two
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• 1454[13:36:29] <jonathan_x> but it happens more
• 1455[13:36:42] <jonathan_x> with other packages
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• 1458[13:37:28] <jonathan_x> dpkg -i also doesn't unpack it
• 1459[13:37:28] * dpkg installs also doesn't unpack it into jonathan_x's head with a bone saw and a few screws
• 1460[13:37:42] <jonathan_x> ..
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• 1463[13:38:51] <jonathan_x> dpkg-deb --contents libpam-modules_1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2_amd64.deb | grep access
• 1464[13:38:59] <jonathan_x> ./etc/security/access.conf
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• 1473[13:42:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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• 1475[13:42:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats with all the updates for debian today
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• 1477[13:43:59] <TomTomTosch> point release 8.8
• 1478[13:44:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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• 1480[13:44:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> how do i get on the mailing list of these things so i know whats going on..
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• 1482[13:45:10] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 1484[13:45:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> TY
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• 1487[13:47:14] <jonathan_x> ok if I dpkg --force-depends --remove then it will recreate the config on next install, but not if it is not yet purged.
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• 1489[13:47:22] <jonathan_x> I mean if I --purge
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• 1492[13:47:56] <jolt> jonathan_x: Yeah, purge and the install again
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• 1494[13:48:06] <jolt> jonathan_x: dpkg -P
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• 1496[13:48:19] <jonathan_x> I was using command line completion :p
• 1497[13:49:25] <jonathan_x> but --purge does not work with --reinstall so you do need to dpkg --force-depends --purge it first :p.
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• 1500[13:49:45] <jonathan_x> well good to know, thanks.
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• 1502[13:50:01] <jonathan_x> cya
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• 1536[14:13:09] <freddd> [14:12] == #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
• 1537[14:13:10] <freddd> >.>
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• 1541[14:18:49] <jubo2> freddd: they wanna keep the over-steamed enthusiast babble outta there?
• 1542[14:19:02] <jubo2> we can steambabble in here, no?
• 1543[14:19:17] <freddd> I can spam my impatiance in regards to Debian 9 in here?
• 1544[14:19:34] <tremon> we have #debian-offtopic for non-support babble
• 1545[14:19:38] <freddd> I was really hoping for a late April release. ):
• 1546[14:19:50] <freddd> Debian 8 works on my notebook but the touchpad does not.
• 1547[14:19:53] <freddd> And that is fixed in 9. ):
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• 1577[14:37:47] <bernhardr> Does anyone has a suggestion: redirect of replaced-url
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• 1589[14:44:06] <JyZyXEL> oh wow, jessies vlc is now actually ahead of the mainstream stable (2.2.5 vs 2.2.4)
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• 1599[14:48:09] <bernhardr> I did found the solution thank you..
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• 1603[14:49:32] <control0> Hi. Did anyone succeeds running modern AMD card with amdgpu driver and nVidia card proprietary nVidia driver at the same time? Is it even possible? I'd like to have the AMD card as primary one (with some Wayland compositor) and use the nVidia only for games (probably different VT, different Xorg session, different user).
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• 1611[14:54:47] <Iridos> I thought this stopped being a problem ages ago?
• 1612[14:56:01] <Iridos> but I don't much play games and inbuilt graphics is mostly enough, so I haven't followed that closely
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• 1617[14:57:06] <halvor> hello
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• 1627[15:02:07] <petn-randall> bernhardr: That was a mistake in your config. DNS only knows about name resolution, it doesn't take care of redirects.
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• 1630[15:04:30] <Vizva> control0 nvidia hybrid amd debian this in a crawler like google and read anything about
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• 1686[15:55:41] <Halcyforn> hello . debian still need cd when you try install him from usb stick?
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• 1690[15:56:55] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: did you use unetbootin or rufus by chance to create the usb?
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• 1692[15:57:00] <dvs> Halcyforn, if a USB install is asking for a CD, then you probably wrote the image to the USB stick wrong.
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• 1696[15:58:26] <Halcyforn> i have clevo and i want install linux for some games. linux mint die on start cant run live cd/dvd. debian always when i try on my laptops have the same problem want cd/dvd, thats why i ask about this problem.
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• 1699[15:59:44] <Halcyforn> and one more question debian support uefi or not?
• 1700[16:00:02] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: the Live images to NOT support uefi!
• 1701[16:00:11] <zykotick9> s/to NOT/do NOT/
• 1702[16:01:09] <Halcyforn> live images support uefi if there is only way to install system :D
• 1703[16:01:20] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: netinst/cd1/dvd1 will work with uefi (i hear)
• 1704[16:01:30] <Halcyforn> live image work good on fujitsu laptop with uefi
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• 1706[16:01:40] <Halcyforn> ok
• 1707[16:01:52] <Halcyforn> we will se how work with this hybrid
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• 1711[16:02:40] <Halcyforn> i hope this netinstall have the newest kernel and drivers for intel
• 1712[16:02:41] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: from a gnu/linux box - use cat/cp/dd to move the hybrid image to the device (ie. sdb and NOT sdb1)
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• 1716[16:05:10] <Halcyforn> amd64 is for intel 64bit?
• 1717[16:05:18] <zykotick9> yes.
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• 1724[16:10:47] <Anonymes> Halcyforn: yes
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• 1727[16:12:01] <Halcyforn> hmm ok but first i find what drivers are there i dont want try find rj45 cable
• 1728[16:12:50] <zykotick9> Halcyforn: if you need wireless during install checkout the 'unofficial' image (which include non-free firmware for a lot of wireless cards)
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• 1731[16:13:35] <zykotick9> !firmware image
• 1732[16:13:35] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1733[16:13:46] <Halcyforn> i need only driver for intel ac 2860
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• 1736[16:13:57] <Halcyforn> 8260*
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• 1751[16:22:53] <missmbob> you should still use the firmware image
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• 1773[16:35:52] <msl09> hey
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• 1777[16:37:15] <msl09> I'm having some trouble setting up the hdmi audio output on my debian stretch installation
• 1778[16:37:48] <msl09> can anyone give me a hand?
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• 1788[16:41:12] <amirq> hi guys
• 1789[16:41:20] <amirq> sorry i was busy
• 1790[16:41:43] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1791[16:41:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1792[16:41:47] <petn-randall> msl09: ^^^
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• 1795[16:42:32] <msl09> thanks petn-randall
• 1796[16:43:02] <msl09> debian next is invite-only
• 1797[16:43:05] <amirq> celyr i did try the text mode but still the same
• 1798[16:43:20] <dvs> msl09, on oftc
• 1799[16:43:31] <amirq> i even tried nomodeset ( with i915 options for intel) but no success
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• 1804[16:44:36] <msl09> oh ic
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• 1811[16:47:36] <ax> hi, my raspbian problem:
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• 1813[16:47:44] <ax> replaced-url
• 1814[16:47:51] <ax> replaced-url
• 1815[16:47:56] <ax> how to fix it?
• 1816[16:48:15] <missmbob> !raspbian
• 1817[16:48:15] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1818[16:48:21] <petn-randall> ax: Ask in #raspbian, this channel is only for Debian support.
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• 1820[16:48:42] <petn-randall> Oh, you actually did ask there a few minutes ago.
• 1821[16:48:49] <petn-randall> !tell ax -about crosspost
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• 1823[16:49:04] <ax> ok thanks
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• 1825[16:49:40] <userro> !tell userro -about crosspost
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• 1833[16:56:35] <theflash> Anyone know if there is an ISO file available for Debian 8.8 live USB ?
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• 1852[17:09:55] <tugrik> good afternoon - I've got this command in cron: rsync --inplace --recursive --quiet --update --archive --copy-links --links --delete --backup --suffix=PreviousVersion
• 1853[17:10:14] <tugrik> with the source and destination folders listed
• 1854[17:10:40] <tugrik> I think it's keep a copy of the source on the destination, and if any file is deleted or changed
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• 1856[17:10:55] <tugrik> it'll keep one previous version with "PreviousVersion" at the end
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• 1858[17:11:25] <tugrik> ... instead, it's created a copy of *every* file with "PreviousVersion" at the end, so it's doubled the size of my backup directoy with exact duplicates....
• 1859[17:11:28] <tugrik> what am I doing wrong?
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• 1863[17:13:30] <syco_> --suffix ...
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• 1865[17:13:53] <blackflow> tugrik: I don't know, but if you want an rsync based backup "snapshot" solution (deltas), try rsnapshot
• 1866[17:15:20] <blackflow> it's using hardlinks to make a copy of previous "snapshot" then overwrites it only with changes
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• 1869[17:15:57] <blackflow> nothing in the rsync manual suggests --suffix with -b will do that just for changed files
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• 1875[17:18:09] <tugrik> it's more of a "copy / duplicate" than a backup, copying files to a different drive on a different machine if the first one fails, which is why I haven't used rsnapshot
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• 1878[17:21:14] <tugrik> And yeah, I think what I'd call a "backup file", and what rsync calls a "backup file" are two different things
• 1879[17:21:56] <blackflow> tugrik: you can use rsnapshot remotely
• 1880[17:22:30] <blackflow> tugrik: also afaik rsync doesn't overwrite files, it writes to a temp file then does atomic rename. but don't quote me on that, that's just how I rememberd it, could be wrong.
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• 1882[17:22:53] <blackflow> so you could perhaps use --delete-after so it does deletes last
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• 1887[17:23:53] <themill> tugrik: what filesystem are you backing up to? Are you sure the file *and* metadata are identical?
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• 1889[17:24:43] <tugrik> yeah blackflow, those options are worth looking at - figure I need to play with a small test directory and check what I think the options mean
• 1890[17:25:04] <tugrik> themill: good point, size and date look the same from ls -l, but I'm transferring from network drives to local drives
• 1891[17:25:16] <blackflow> tugrik: rsnapshot is still what I'd recommend, because it does it with hard links.
• 1892[17:25:29] <themill> is ownership the same?
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• 1894[17:26:09] <tugrik> should be themill
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• 1898[17:26:43] <tugrik> but yeah, something else to think of - it doesn't look like an obvious "don't use flag --<something>"
• 1899[17:26:44] <themill> well when it comes to network filesystems, "should" isn't a word I'd use
• 1900[17:27:32] <tugrik> LOL themill
• 1901[17:27:36] <tugrik> fair point
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• 1903[17:28:12] <themill> network filesystems are also good at lying about mtimes, as is VFAT if that's involved anywhere
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• 1911[17:36:16] <tugrik> I'll definitely check that, and look again at rsnapshot too - thank you both
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• 1931[17:47:46] <sadtaco> replaced-url
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• 1962[18:08:33] <bernhardr> When you run a webserver and use the DNS server from your registrar Godaddy in the US for example. And you own server resides in your country in Europe. Then does it really matter that you also use Godaddy dns server in the US (for speed reasons).. Or doesnt it really matter since the updated dns information is send to other dns servers in your country, where client webbrowsers (from the country
• 1963[18:08:33] <bernhardr> where the actual webserver resides) will check for dns translation ?
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• 2130[19:24:58] <jhutchins> Schrostfutz: Shouldn't be.
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• 2141[19:30:26] <Schrostfutz> jhutchins: I need to create a filesystem of a debian based system (raspbian) for cross-compilation purposes. Do you know a differnet tool I could use to achieve that?
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• 2183[19:46:55] <Tylertwo> I'm trying to help a friend of mine install Debian 8 on his Eluktronics P650 laptop (a modern gaming-laptop). It'll load the initial 'graphical/install' screen but on selecting install I get a black screen. Any ideas? Could be not compatible with the hardware..
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• 2204[19:56:02] <dontknow> Tylertwo, it might not be compatible. but who knows. beside debian 8 is old
• 2205[19:56:17] <dontknow> try debian stretch
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• 2207[19:56:57] <dontknow> maybe even sid
• 2208[19:57:18] <redd> or don't use a graphical installer
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• 2214[19:58:23] <redd> might be that it has support for the gpu but just not on the install media
• 2215[19:58:57] <inch> The debian installer works with serial console too. If it works with usb-serial adapter, you could use that, but I'm not sure about the usb-serial part.
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• 2217[20:00:32] <Tylertwo> redd, The install menu lists a normal install or graphical. Both give a black screen. Not sure if that's what you meant.
• 2218[20:00:50] <redd> hmm it was.
• 2219[20:00:54] <Epakai> try passing nomodeset as a kernel option
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• 2222[20:02:04] <Tylertwo> Epakai, how would I do that?
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• 2231[20:05:23] <pantato> I <3 debian sid
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• 2237[20:08:18] <inch> replaced-url
• 2238[20:08:19] <Epakai> Tylertwo: hit tab on the install/graphical install entry, then append nomodeset to the line that appears and hit enter
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• 2248[20:14:42] <lolo1> exit
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• 2262[20:19:39] <Tylertwo> Epakai, hitting tab doesn't do anything, but hitting E (edit selection) brings up a menu with the text: setparams 'Install' - set background_color, etc (couple lines). Adding nomodeset here gives the message 'cant find command: nomodeset' and gives me a black screen again.
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• 2287[20:30:49] <Epakai> that sounds like the grub shell. i don't know more right now and can't boot the installer again as i'm working on something else
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• 2292[20:34:05] <Tylertwo> Epakai, hmm, I tried appending it as suggested ~ in steps 4. and 5. here, and it doesn't give an error message, but again just a black screen comes up: replaced-url
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• 2314[20:44:43] <Tylertwo> OK, thanks for the ideas. No luck for now but maybe I'll try more later.
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• 2332[20:55:30] <jaggz> I installed unrealircd, and was just trying to install anope, for irc servers, when I got this:
• 2333[20:55:32] <jaggz> There is a loop between service unrealircd and rmnologin if started
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• 2335[20:56:36] <jaggz> why would there be a loop in that? how is loop detection handled?
• 2336[20:56:50] <jaggz> (I see no mention of nologin in /etc/init.d/unrealircd)
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• 2339[20:58:50] <jaggz> oh there's more: insserv: Starting unrealircd depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
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• 2394[21:25:51] <altyr> jaggz: how did you install unrealircd?
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• 2404[21:38:45] <AlexPortable> What happens if i create an account by default, will it have a password?
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• 2412[21:41:20] <teraflops> AlexPortable: it depends on how you create it. adduser vs useradd
• 2413[21:41:53] <AlexPortable> useradd
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• 2416[21:44:30] <teraflops> AlexPortable: read the man page. it has a -p iirc
• 2417[21:45:11] <AlexPortable> Well what's the default behaviour?
• 2418[21:46:01] <missmbob> he told you where to read it
• 2419[21:46:12] <missmbob> trust us...it's in the man page
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• 2422[21:47:44] <teraflops> AlexPortable: go use useradd instead....
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• 2424[21:47:58] <teraflops> adduser
• 2425[21:48:06] <teraflops> ^
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• 2430[21:49:07] <AlexPortable> why?
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• 2433[21:50:06] <teraflops> AlexPortable: because is interactive and has more patience than us
• 2434[21:50:25] <teraflops> no offense intended mate
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• 2450[21:56:35] <AlexPortable> so what does adduser does when it creates the user, can you login without a password?
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• 2452[21:57:27] <syco_> nope
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• 2461[22:01:24] <Schrostfutz> I am trying to download a rootfs using multistrap and get this error message: 'W: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 2466[22:02:18] <altyr> !raspbian
• 2467[22:02:18] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2471[22:03:58] <Schrostfutz> I figured the error message is not dependent on raspbian and my issue is with debian tooling which is why I asked here
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• 2476[22:08:42] <altyr> Schrostfutz: the error concerns a raspbian repository which leads me to believe that the raspbian folks might have a better idea of what could be going wrong
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• 2480[22:09:21] <altyr> and if you're setting up a new raspi why not go with jessie instead of wheezy?
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• 2486[22:10:44] <Schrostfutz> altyr: Oh, my mistake. I asked over at #raspbian now, thank you :)
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• 2517[22:25:27] <joedalton> I installed debian with lilo next to my win 7 and now windows doesnt boot, its stuck at 'starting windows' screen, any help?
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• 2520[22:26:36] <TomG> grub? futz with the bootable flags in MBR/GBT?
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• 2522[22:27:28] <joedalton> Grub installer said something about EFI, i wasn't sure
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• 2526[22:29:44] <simbalion`> Is stretch out? I see some blog activity about new things in stretch
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• 2531[22:32:43] <missmbob> no
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• 2540[22:38:06] <simbalion`> areplaced-url
• 2541[22:38:08] <simbalion`> I got excited
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• 2589[23:14:28] <OS-28686> #offsec
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• 2592[23:16:04] <OS-28686> /msg offsec-sam REGISTER offsec-sam saleem@oissggroup.com
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• 2595[23:17:06] <Canucktux> OS-28686: wuddup
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• 2598[23:17:55] <jaggz> altyr, I thought it was apt-get install unrealircd.. but I just noticed it's not in my repos.. hmm
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• 2601[23:18:33] <OS-28686> Hi Team
• 2602[23:19:25] <missmbob> jaggz: it's not in debian. replaced-url
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• 2610[23:21:21] <jaggz> missmbob, yeah.. hmm.. darn.. anope (a chanserv, nickserv, etc.) service is in debian
• 2611[23:22:19] <altyr> ,v inspircd
• 2612[23:22:20] <judd> Package: inspircd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.5-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.0.5-1+deb7u2; jessie: 2.0.17-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.0.17-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.0.23-2; sid: 2.0.23-2
• 2613[23:22:35] <altyr> uh, wrong irc daemon
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• 2651[23:59:10] <ursawarrior> why DEBIAN STABLE doesnt support GPT (UEFI) ?
• 2652[23:59:15] <ursawarrior> had to install in MBR
• 2653[23:59:16] <ursawarrior> :(
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• 2655[23:59:46] <missmbob> you probably used live iso
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