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54[00:35:17] <ksk> Hey. im running debian 8 inside ubuntu lxd
and having problems with some getty* services I cannot really
identify:
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58[00:36:11] <ksk> as I understand that service is trying to
create that ttys and is having problems? Any Idea how to fix that?
-- On the other hand, do I need a tty in a CT at all?
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73[00:45:21] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hi guys
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75[00:45:55] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hi cabanas I
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98[01:01:11] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hihihi
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118[01:12:27] <_root_> hi
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119[01:12:28] <_root_> I flush all of my iptables rules and I
confirm I have nothing in there by the **iptables -L** command just
to see it returns to what was in there in a matter of seconds. Why?
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133[01:18:45] <petn-randall> _root_: That's not what
happens on a default Debian machine.
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134[01:19:00] <petn-randall> _root_: What distro are you
running?
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138[01:22:50] <_root_> debian
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143[01:25:20] <petn-randall> _root_: And what service did you
install that automatically re-instates the firewall?
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147[01:26:58] <petn-randall> _root_: How are you flushing the
iptables rules though?
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149[01:27:56] <_root_>
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156[01:29:47] <_root_> petn-randall, it is an script
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172[01:41:24] <farmer> Hi all. I have been pulling my hair out.
I can PSAD to work locally on my machine. But when im trying to
implement it into a Jessie server it seems to fail to make the
iptable rules for banning. I can see the iptable logs in the syslog
also. Any ideas?
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199[01:56:19] <wjtaylor> is there a way to recursively set all
directories to 755 and all files to 640?
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200[01:56:50] <badargo> hey! when i type whatis fdisk i get a
return, but which fdisk, type fdisk, fdisk --help, help fdisk, and
even fdisk command dont return. so whats going on? is it
uninstalled? i looked for apt search fdisk but couldnt find one
either :S
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201[01:57:50] <badargo> wjtaylor: u could set the umask value
like that
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202[01:58:19] <badargo> then if u try to give all files a
permission above umask value they would be set like that i supose
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203[01:58:36] <wjtaylor> Is there a way to recursively set all
directories to 755 and all files to 640?
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209[01:59:32] <Brigo> badargo, it seems to me fdisk is
unintalled or out of the path
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210[01:59:54] <dsc_> wjtaylor: find /my_directory/ -type d -exec
chmod 755 {} \;
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212[02:00:01] <Brigo> it belongs to util-linux package
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213[02:00:07] <dsc_> wjtaylor: find /my_directory/ -type f -exec
chmod 640 {} \;
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218[02:00:48] <LtL> badargo: try man fdisk
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227[02:02:09] <Brigo> LtL, it will only prove the manpage is
there (which it is because whatis uses the manpage)
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229[02:02:35] <badargo> dpkg -l fdisk ?
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230[02:02:35] <dpkg> ii fdisk 1.4-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian
package
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235[02:03:32] <badargo> dpkg -L fdisk tells me its not installed
:P
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236[02:03:32] <dpkg> No packages found matching fdisk tells me
its not installed :P
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237[02:03:40] <badargo> ayy im learning linux
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240[02:03:59] <LtL> badargo: try /sbin/fdisk with no arguments
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241[02:04:08] <Brigo> badargo, there is not such package, fdisk
is in util-linux package
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243[02:04:18] <badargo> ohh
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246[02:05:14] <wjtaylor> test
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247[02:05:54] <wjtaylor> how can i recursively set all
directories to 755 and files to 640. Sorry for the multiple post.
IRC client was froze...
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248[02:05:57] <badargo> find returned
/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/fdisk
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249[02:05:57] <badargo> /usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
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250[02:06:23] <badargo> i have o idea what that mean tho
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251[02:06:37] <LtL> badargo: whereis fdisk
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253[02:07:25] <badargo> LtL: fdisk: /sbin/fdisk
/usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
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255[02:07:45] <LtL> badargo: then you have it
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257[02:08:15] <badargo> but bash doesnt know it...
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260[02:08:53] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ fdisk -l
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261[02:08:53] <badargo> bash: fdisk: command not found
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262[02:09:13] <LtL> badargo: its not in your path
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263[02:09:16] <wjtaylor> badargo: su to root
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264[02:09:35] <LtL> wjtaylor: example, find /var/replaced-url
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266[02:09:56] <wjtaylor> LtL: gracias
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269[02:10:13] <LtL> wjtaylor: de nada
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270[02:10:17] <badargo> wow... sudo fdisk -l work
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272[02:10:28] <badargo> LtL: brasileiro?
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273[02:10:39] <badargo> but fdisk dont ask me if im root...
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274[02:10:41] <LtL> badargo: american
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275[02:10:54] <LtL> wjtaylor: example find /var/replaced-url
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277[02:11:42] <LtL> badargo: it won't work without root
permission
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278[02:12:06] <wjtaylor> badargo: sudo works like a su to
root....
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281[02:12:44] <badargo> yes but when its a permission issue,
most commands ask u if u are root. they dont say "command not
found"
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282[02:13:31] <badargo> wjtaylor: sudo means "super user
do..."
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283[02:13:45] <LtL> badargo: fdisk is old school it doesn't
bother
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284[02:14:16] <LtL> badargo: it won't work, thats all that
metters
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285[02:14:24] <wjtaylor> I *think* (and it's been a while
since I've used deb), that it's in /sbin and /sbin is only
in the path of root.
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286[02:14:24] <LtL> *matters
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287[02:14:32] <wjtaylor> But I could be making that all up.
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288[02:14:46] <LtL> wjtaylor: no, you are correct
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289[02:15:12] <badargo> wjtaylor: sudo fdisk -l worked , out of
super user account that is, dont know if that means anything tho
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290[02:15:35] <LtL> badargo: sudo has root power
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292[02:15:47] <badargo> LtL: im not trying to use fdisk.. just
curious because terminal aint responding as it should :P
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293[02:15:49] <wjtaylor> so when you sudo you are giving
yourself root priveleges but keep your user id.
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294[02:16:31] <badargo> and why dpkkg -l says fdisk is not
installed? i will sudo that too
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295[02:16:52] <LtL> badargo: just typing /sbin/fdisk should give
you a page of help.
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296[02:17:03] <wjtaylor> I think dpkkg requires elevated
priveleges also.
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297[02:17:27] <wjtaylor> apt-get does
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299[02:19:06] <badargo> sudo dpkg, sudo type, sudo which, sudo
lol sudo fdisk shows me, but just fdisk prints nothing
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300[02:19:29] <N0rthlight> hey all. Is there a online list of
the apps available on the official repository?
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301[02:19:35] <badargo> oops all wrong sorry... i meant sudo
which fdisk work, but just which fdisk dont
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303[02:19:53] <LtL> badargo: just typing /sbin/fdisk should give
you a page of help. EOF
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308[02:21:42] <badargo> LtL: yes, sudo fdisk --help work the
same
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311[02:22:21] <LtL> badargo: because sudo changes your
environment.
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315[02:23:55] <badargo> LtL: what these 1.gz files, gzip data
compression hold exactly?
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317[02:25:04] <LtL> badargo: i do not know, where are they? if
they are text use zcat 1.gz, not sure type `stat 1.gz` may tell you
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318[02:25:33] <LtL> *zcat sorry badargo
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319[02:25:46] <LtL> nm
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321[02:26:33] <badargo> LtL: when i want to find where a program
is, it ends up in a *.1.gz file very often
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322[02:27:22] <LtL> badargo: i have never heard of that, where
does that file appear?
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324[02:28:30] <LtL> badargo: using 'whereis' is
better, find is better for particular filenames
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326[02:28:46] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis fdisk
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327[02:28:46] <badargo> fdisk: /sbin/fdisk
/usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
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329[02:29:03] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis tilda
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330[02:29:03] <badargo> tilda: /usr/bin/tilda
/usr/share/man/man1/tilda.1.gz
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331[02:29:47] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis buckle
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332[02:29:48] <badargo> buckle: /usr/games/buckle
/usr/share/buckle /usr/share/man/man1/buckle.1.gz
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334[02:30:18] <LtL> badargo: those look like symlinks, i would
ignore then
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335[02:30:18] <badargo> see?
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337[02:30:38] <th0r> badargo: those are the man pages
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338[02:31:15] <badargo> rly? but i dont think buckle and tilda
have a man page...
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339[02:31:22] <badargo> omg they have hah
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340[02:31:49] <LtL> badargo: you arent creating them, they are
already there as far as i know
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341[02:32:20] <badargo> yes, they are compressed... man pages
then, i acording to th0r
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343[02:33:01] <LtL> badargo: he is right
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344[02:33:10] <th0r> badargo: you could unpack them with gunzip,
but don't unpack the original, make a copy
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345[02:33:32] <badargo> i will do it now
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354[02:38:31] <badargo> yes thats a man text file :P noicee
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365[02:54:30] <badargo> hey
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366[02:54:42] <badargo> command jobs is acting weird just like
fdisk too
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369[02:55:33] <badargo> type jobs tell me its a bash built in
command. but bash dont run it or find it :S
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370[02:56:26] <LtL> badargo: jobs will say nothing if there are
none
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371[02:56:34] <badargo> help jobs work
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372[02:56:46] <badargo> i got a process running in the
background
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373[02:56:53] <badargo> it should be listing it right?
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374[02:56:57] <LtL> badargo: type fg
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375[02:57:05] <LtL> yes
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377[02:57:19] <badargo> current: no such a job 0.o
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378[02:57:53] <badargo> but if i ps aux i can find it sitting
there... its making my keyboard sound like an pre historic ibm :P
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379[02:57:59] <LtL> badargo: try `ps aux` for the job name
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384[02:59:13] <petn-randall> badargo: Are you sure it's
backgrounded?
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391[03:01:28] <badargo> well when i started it i typed buckle
& and enter to hide it petn-randall
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395[03:02:40] <petn-randall> badargo: You can bring processes to
the foreground with 'fg'. But in your case maybe the
process forked, and the old process exited cleanly?
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400[03:03:59] <badargo> petn-randall: well, buclçe is
still running , it makes they keyboard sound like an pre historic
ibm typewritter :P and its on ps aux too
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401[03:04:09] <badargo> but fg doesnt reveal it tho
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403[03:04:25] <petn-randall> badargo: it only works on the same
terminal you backgrounded it, though.
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405[03:04:49] <badargo> ohh
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406[03:04:56] <badargo> i will kill it and try fg again then
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409[03:05:36] <badargo> ohhh not it shows me petn-randall :D
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410[03:05:39] <badargo> why?
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414[03:07:44] <badargo> petn-randall: and how do i get back to
the foreground and close it?
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420[03:09:46] <badargo> ohh i type regular_command process and
enter huh
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425[03:11:07] <petn-randall> badargo: Try it with 'sleep
300 &' first. It can be that 'buckle' spawns a
new process, then exits the original one. In that case you job
control only knows about the first process, but that exited already.
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426[03:11:12] <zeratul976> Hi there. The Internet has stopped
working on a local machine running Debian. It's not my
connection (other computers on the same connection work fine), and a
restart didn't help. Any suggestions for how to diagnose the
problem?
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428[03:12:33] <mutante> zeratul976: first, test the connection
from the machine to the local router, assuming a router does the
actual Internet connection. so for example try opening the
router's web interface with
replaced-url
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430[03:13:31] <mutante> or telnet or ICMP (ping) or netcat or
nmap ...
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431[03:14:30] <zeratul976> mutante: it cannot connect to the
router, either
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432[03:14:41] <LtL> badargo: i see a bucklespring package not
buckle, is that the executable name, buckle? ctrl^c kills it once
you 'fg' it
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433[03:14:52] <badargo> LtL: yes
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434[03:15:13] <badargo> its bucklespring
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435[03:15:18] <badargo> but u run it with buckle
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436[03:15:36] <mutante> zeratul976: next thing i would try
simply replacing the ethernet cable
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437[03:15:55] <zeratul976> mutante: tried that too. it
doesn't work with a different cable, either
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438[03:16:42] <badargo> Penix: regular_command shouldnt bring a
process back to the foreground?
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440[03:16:56] <th0r> zeratul976: check for the interface status
on the debian box.
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441[03:17:03] <mutante> zeratul976: it's possible the
network card actually broke. maybe not super common, but possible.
try checking /var/log/syslog and "dmesg" for hardware
fails maybe
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442[03:17:11] <stree> the status of it if you dont even have to
do work
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445[03:17:19] <mutante> zeratul976: unless you are aware of any
software upgrades
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446[03:17:45] <zeratul976> th0r: how do i check that?
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447[03:17:56] <mutante> zeratul976: what th0r said, "ip
link show"
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448[03:18:34] <mutante> if you get NO-CARRIER you know it's
more a physical issue, the cable or switch port or so
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455[03:19:51] <mutante> yea, you could also try using another
port on the router and then manually run a DHCP client
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458[03:20:43] <zeratul976> th0r: here is the output of "ip
link show":
replaced-url
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459[03:21:35] <badargo> hey! why %n is not numbering the
processes running in the background?
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461[03:22:59] <mutante> zeratul976: so the interesting part is
"state UP" .. this tells us it's more an issue on the
router
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462[03:23:10] <mutante> since there is a link but it won't
talk to it
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463[03:23:10] <th0r> zeratul976: check "ip eth0" and
see if you got an ip address
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465[03:23:31] <mutante> maybe the DHCP server is out of IP
addresses
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466[03:23:49] <zeratul976> th0r: "ip eth0" says
'Object "eth0" is unknwon, try "ip
help".'
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467[03:24:18] <likcoras> ip a show eth0
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468[03:24:23] <th0r> try ifconfig....I still use jessie...ip is
a new command
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469[03:25:35] <abrotman> no, ip is not a new command
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471[03:26:09] <zeratul976> likcoras: here is "ip a show
eth0":
replaced-url
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472[03:26:36] <th0r> it is only now being pushed. I think it
came in with systemd, which by the way just received a Pwnie award
for poor software design
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473[03:26:44] <zeratul976> mutante: another computer connected
to the same router is working fine
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474[03:27:09] <likcoras> zeratul976: what about ip r? you
can't ping the router at all?
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475[03:27:35] <zeratul976> likcoras: no, i cannot ping the
router at all
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476[03:28:02] <likcoras> Hm. How are you setting up your
networking? Just /etc/network/interfaces? networkmanager?
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477[03:28:31] <zeratul976> likcoras: i believe it's
networkmanager. i didn't have to do any setup
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478[03:28:44] <mutante> zeratul976: what is the IP of the
router?
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479[03:28:57] <zeratul976> mutante: 192.168.0.1
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480[03:29:00] <likcoras> you installed some DE, right? if so,
probably.
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483[03:29:07] <zeratul976> likcoras: yes, KDE
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484[03:29:22] <petn-randall> abrotman: Depends on how old you
are ;)
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485[03:29:31] <zeratul976> likcoras: btw. here's "ip
r":
replaced-url
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486[03:29:32] <likcoras> And networkmanager reports that
it's connected?
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487[03:29:35] <mutante> zeratul976: so "ping
192.168.0.1" is 100% packet loss? or a reply or something in
between?
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488[03:29:47] <zeratul976> likcoras: yes
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490[03:29:51] <zeratul976> mutante: 100% packet loss
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495[03:32:05] <mxh-> zeratul976: `$ sudo iwconfig
<interface>` should show if something is off
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496[03:32:05] <th0r> zeratul976: It looks like you got an ip
address from the router. Would like to know what gateway address you
are using
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497[03:32:26] <mutante> so now we are talking wireless?
that's new
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498[03:32:40] <mxh-> assumption on my end
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499[03:32:44] <mutante> cables have been tested earlier
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501[03:32:49] <zeratul976> it's ethernet, not wireless
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503[03:33:21] <mutante> the gateway isn't reachable
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504[03:33:23] <zeratul976> mxh-: i don't have a command
named "iwconfig". do you mean perhaps
"ifconfig"?
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505[03:33:29] <mxh-> sudo ifconfig <interface> then :)
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506[03:33:33] <zeratul976> th0r: how do i check the gateway
address?
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507[03:33:51] <likcoras> gateway is 192.168.0.1, as shown in ip
r
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511[03:34:26] <mutante> he has 192.168.0.100 on eth0, the
network is a /24, he still cant reach 0.1 at all
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512[03:34:28] <th0r> missed the aste :)
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514[03:34:55] <th0r> (paste)
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518[03:35:48] <zeratul976> mxh-: here is "ifconfig
eth0":
replaced-url
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519[03:35:57] <mutante> when it starts to get "weird"
like that, is it time for "something MTU-size"
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520[03:35:59] <likcoras> Hm, I'd check the firewall, then.
What does iptables-save say?
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522[03:36:13] <zeratul976> likcoras: it's empty
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523[03:36:16] <likcoras> welp.
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526[03:36:44] <mutante> how about talking to 192.168.0.100 from
one of the other machiens
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527[03:36:52] <mutante> or from here to another machine on the
LAN
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528[03:37:17] <mutante> maybe "traceroute 192.168.0.1"
?
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529[03:37:31] <mutante> i don't assume there is any hop in
between , but you never know
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530[03:37:35] <th0r> zeratul976: in one terminal start
'watch ifconfig' and in a second terminal start a ping to
the router.
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531[03:37:40] <zeratul976> mutante: pinging 192.168.0.100 from
another machine works fine
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532[03:38:04] <th0r> zeratul976: see if packets go out, and if
they come in
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533[03:38:17] <mutante> you can do that with tcpdump ^
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534[03:38:22] <likcoras> zeratul976: run it as root. It prints
nothing if not root.
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535[03:38:58] <zeratul976> likcoras: it prints nothing as root,
too
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537[03:39:07] <likcoras> Huh, alright.
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540[03:40:22] <zeratul976> th0r: i see the packet counts after
"RX packets" and "TX packets" increasing, if
that's what you mean
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543[03:41:46] <mutante> you don't know if it always was IP
.100, do you
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544[03:41:49] <th0r> zeratul976: if they are both increasing I
suspect the ethernet card is not passing incoming to the computer
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546[03:42:31] <zeratul976> mutante: not sure
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547[03:42:33] <th0r> zeratul976: the ping is coming back, but
not being recognized.
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548[03:42:49] <zeratul976> Interestingly, I managed to ssh in
from another computer, though it took quite a bit longer than usual
to connect.
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550[03:43:19] <zeratul976> Can't ssh in the other
direction, though
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552[03:43:33] <mutante> if you ping from that other computer, is
it something like 50% loss?
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554[03:43:49] <mutante> because that slowness would be typical
for some loss
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556[03:44:05] <th0r> zeratul976: could there be a second
computer with the same ip?
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557[03:44:21] <zeratul976> mutante: at the moment i'm
seeing 0% loss
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558[03:44:30] <mutante> i think at this point i would try giving
it another IP , manually
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559[03:44:38] <zeratul976> th0r: nope. only the one other
computer on the network, and it's IP is .101
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560[03:44:40] <mutante> one i know isnt used
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561[03:45:47] <zeratul976> mutante: how would I do that?
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562[03:45:53] <mutante> hrmm.. are the computers the same? i
assume the NIC is onboard or i would say to try plugging in the NIC
in the other computer and vice versa
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563[03:46:13] <zeratul976> mutante: nope, one laptop, one
desktop
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566[03:46:57] <mutante> zeratul976:
replaced-url
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567[03:48:11] <mutante> ip addr add 196.168.102/24 dev eth0
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570[03:48:34] <mutante> if you replace "add" with
"del" you can remove the old one
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571[03:48:43] <abrotman> petn-randall: yes, I suppose. I
don't recall the 'ip' command when I started using
Debian :)
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576[03:50:25] <zeratul976> mutante: that didn't seem to
help
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578[03:51:31] <mutante> zeratul976: ugh,then i am starting to
run out of ideas, you can reboot it again to revert the manual
changes.. it's starting to sound more like actual hardware
fail, especially if it used to work all the time before without
major changes
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582[03:52:34] <mutante> zeratul976: you probably dont have
another network card for a PCI slot or so? then you could just test
that
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587[03:54:19] <zeratul976> mutante: rebooted again (no change).
i notice "dmesg" contains "firmware: failed to load
rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw (-2)". is that relevant?
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588[03:54:41] <mutante> zeratul976: yes, i think it is relevant!
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592[03:55:32] <mutante> that is your "driver". But if
this used to work and now it stopped working, i guess it can also
just be a symptom of broken nic
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593[03:55:41] <abrotman> judd: file rtl8168e-3.fw
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594[03:55:47] <judd> Search for rtl8168e-3.fw in stretch/amd64:
firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
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595[03:55:58] <abrotman> zeratul976: is the firmware-realtek
package installed?
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596[03:56:09] <mutante> zeratul976: you didn't just upgrade
that machine to stretch or something like that, right
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599[03:56:40] <zeratul976> mutante: no upgrade, still running
jessie
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601[03:56:55] <zeratul976> abrotman: it does not appear to be
installed. unfortunately, without a connection, i can't install
it...
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602[03:57:20] <abrotman> usb drives are nifty
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603[03:57:23] <abrotman> or
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604[03:57:26] <abrotman> !firmware images
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605[03:57:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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606[03:57:43] <zeratul976> I wonder, how did it get uninstalled,
though?
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607[03:57:47] <mutante> i wonder how that package can
"disappear"
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610[03:58:30] <mutante> zeratul976: there is
/var/log/apt/history.log maybe worth a shot .. did something
uninstall it?
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612[03:59:00] <wjtaylor> is there an easy way to unrar a file?
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614[03:59:49] <abrotman> yes, use the unrar command
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615[03:59:50] <zeratul976> mutante: i don't see any recent
removals in there, not any mention of "firmware" or
"realtek"
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616[03:59:56] <abrotman> dpkg: tell wjtaylor about unrar
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619[04:01:14] <zeratul976> mutante: anyways, so is the idea to
(1) download the .deb for firmware-realtek from
replaced-url
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620[04:01:22] <mutante> zeratul976: mysterious.. but i would try
to USB flash drive method to manually copy that deb and install it
with dpkg -i
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621[04:01:31] <mutante> zeratul976: yes
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624[04:02:25] <rebekah> how is journalctl supposed to work with
units... for instance, i would expect journalctl -u sshd to only
output journal entries for the sshd serivce, but instead it just
says 'no entries', does this work differently than my
understanding?
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625[04:03:07] <zeratul976> mutante: restart required afterwards?
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628[04:03:57] <mutante> zeratul976: i think technically not, if
you use "modprobe" with the right module name, but it
might be easier to just do it
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632[04:08:33] <zeratul976> mutante: restarted, that error from
dmesg is gone. unfortunately, internet is still not working, just as
before...
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637[04:11:35] <mutante> zeratul976: start with the other tests
again, pinging the router etc. now it could be new unrelated problem
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638[04:11:57] <mutante> zeratul976: also, do you see any
"rtl" thing in output of "lsmod"
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643[04:14:48] <zeratul976> mutante: pinging the router still
does not work
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646[04:15:30] <zeratul976> mutante: i do not see any
"rtl" in the output of "lsmod"
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649[04:18:25] <mutante> zeratul976: things to try: sudo
update-initramfs -u
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650[04:18:33] <mutante> zeratul976: modprobe r8169
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652[04:19:27] <zeratul976> mutante: note, "r8169" _is_
present in "lsmod"
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653[04:19:47] <tripkin> I see that gnac (gnu audio converter) is
no longer included with stretch. Can anyone tell me what would be
the best choice to use instead?
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656[04:20:32] <zeratul976> mutante: "update-initramfs
-u" produces some warnings of the form "Possible missing
firmware <filename> for module r8169"
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657[04:20:34] <mutante> zeratul976: oh, not "rtl" just
"r" got it.
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659[04:20:47] <mutante> zeratul976: it sounds like
replaced-url
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660[04:21:10] <mutante> the part i dont get about all of this is
how this is supposed to have worked before
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661[04:21:20] <mutante> and then just unload itself, remove the
package and all that
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664[04:22:15] <tripkin> nm - looks like I can use audacity for
that. Thanks anyway
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665[04:22:16] <zeratul976> mutante: those missing files were not
in the firmware-realtek package. where am i supposed to get them
from?
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667[04:22:32] <zeratul976> mutante: i don't get that either
:(
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668[04:22:50] <mutante> zeratul976: i don't know , i just
see that people claim the "updated" version had them
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669[04:23:38] <mutante> google the exact filename you get there
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675[04:25:39] <zeratul976> mutante: the firmware-realtek package
from stretch seems to have them
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677[04:26:08] <mutante> zeratul976: ah :) just try installing it
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685[04:31:56] <zeratul976> zeratul976: installed it, ran
update-initramfs -u, restarted... still no internet :(
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686[04:32:29] <zeratul976> (can't ping router, etc.)
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687[04:32:53] <dvs> zeratul976, I thought you needed the new
kernel along with new firmware files.
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688[04:33:12] <zeratul976> dvs: i have a pretty new kernel, 4.9
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suggestions?
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721[04:59:32] <Blendify_pi> what does this mean:
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722[04:59:33] <Blendify_pi> Direct firmware load for
iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode failed with error -2
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724[05:00:11] <Blendify_pi> I cannot get wifi to work any hints
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728[05:00:57] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: I believe iwlwifi is the
name of the wifi driver, and that error indicates that one of the
driver files is missing
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729[05:01:31] <Blendify_pi> What should I do to fix it?
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731[05:01:53] <PhotoJim> anybody had trouble with keyed,
passwordless ssh logins no longer working (and prompting for
passwords) after upgrading from jessie to stretch? my rsync backup
scripts won't automatically run anymore and I can't figure
out what's changed. forcing ssh-dss isn't it.
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732[05:02:25] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: Try installing the
package "firmware-iwlwifi"
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733[05:03:00] <Blendify_pi> hmm I guess I need Ethernet?
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736[05:04:07] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: That's probably the
easiest way. Alternatively, you could download the package on
another computer, and transfer it via USB or similar.
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740[05:04:31] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, I might have to do that
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746[05:04:57] <Blendify_pi> Can you point me to a good guide for
this?
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747[05:05:00] <petn-randall> PhotoJim: Look at the ssh logs, and
also run ssh with a couple of -v.
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749[05:05:16] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: What Debian version are
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750[05:05:30] <Blendify_pi> Jessie
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751[05:05:42] <PhotoJim> petn-randall: I tried -vvv, nothing
useful, but I'll look at the logs. thanks for the suggestion.
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752[05:05:51] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: Download the package
from here:
replaced-url
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753[05:06:04] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: "sudo dpkg -i
<filename>", sorry
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759[05:07:42] <petn-randall> PhotoJim: Then I'd also check
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760[05:08:01] <PhotoJim> petn-randall: another good suggestion,
thanks
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782[05:18:10] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, it said that sudo
command was not found? But I just signed in as root and ran the
command. I should restart now right?
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783[05:18:36] <brontosaurusrex> less silly version of 'sudo
apt install -y $(cat base.list)'?
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785[05:18:46] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: yep
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791[05:21:59] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, great it worked any idea
why sudo is not working?
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792[05:22:04] <rhizome> i'm trying to figure out what root
packages are using the i386 arch on my desktop machine. dpkg will
get me the names of all packages (grep), but I can't find
anything to display or list roots with that nor apt-cache
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795[05:22:43] <mebious> Blendify_pi: do you have sudo installed?
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797[05:23:54] <Blendify_pi> mebious, I would assume not if it is
failing
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799[05:25:04] <mebious> Blendify_pi: You could try installing
it, just run 'apt install sudo'
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800[05:25:06] <mebious> as root
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805[05:27:15] <ninja007> Hi,
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806[05:27:20] <Blendify_pi> mebious, why did it have me insert
the installation CD?
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809[05:27:59] <ninja007> why there are no
‘InRelease’ file in Debian Archives, but ‘apt-get
update’ shows downloading ‘InRelease’ file?
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810[05:28:10] <ninja007> Any one can shed a light inside? Thanks
a lot.
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812[05:28:33] <mebious> Blendify_pi: your cd is probably still
listed as a repo in the sources.list file, try editing
'/etc/apt/sources.list' and removing the lines that start
with cdrom
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822[05:35:15] <badargo> i might be an idiot :S
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824[05:35:59] <badargo> i read regular_command and type it
liretally... or %n ...
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826[05:36:59] <Blendify_pi> mebious, there are two lines
commented out with urls pointing to debian.org should these be
uncommented?
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827[05:38:14] <badargo> the screen command doesnt exist anymore
or is just my debian being debianshy?
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841[05:43:55] <jmcnaught> badargo: you need to install it
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849[05:49:39] <jak2000> hi all
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850[05:49:48] <jak2000> why cant do an apt update?
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853[05:51:34] <pacha> hi
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854[05:51:41] <jak2000> pachaaaaaaaaa!
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855[05:52:41] <pacha> jaaaak2000
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863[05:55:46] <mebious> jak2000: did you change something in
rc.local that fucked something up? Also I would try rebooting first.
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892[06:08:39] <badargo> hey guys
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893[06:08:48] <badargo> is apt working ok for u?
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894[06:09:16] <badargo> first my apt server wasnt connecting, i
changed for the us one and now it is even worse finding only one
package isntead of many
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900[06:12:53] <badargo> its stuck on 0%
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901[06:12:56] <badargo> so weird
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906[06:15:21] <birkoff> can I get KDE 5.10 on debian stable ?
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907[06:16:14] <jak2000> mebious
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908[06:16:20] <jak2000> no not modified
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909[06:16:29] <jak2000> i only try install java and i think is
my problem
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910[06:16:31] <jak2000> how to remove?
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919[06:20:14] <jmcnaught> birkoff: no the version of KDE will
remain the same in stretch for its entire life span
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920[06:20:30] <birkoff> what is it please?
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921[06:20:58] <jmcnaught> 5.8 according
replaced-url
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923[06:21:22] <birkoff> is 5.10 on testing ?
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926[06:22:27] <jmcnaught> I don't know, but the real
question is does having KDE 5.10 outweigh losing the benefits of
running Debian stable?
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927[06:22:46] <birkoff> testing is more stable than unstable
isnt it
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931[06:24:12] <jmcnaught> maintainers upload packages to
unstable. ten days later they get migrated to testing if no serious
bugs are found. this is also the only mechanism that testing gets
security updates (at least 10 days after everyone else)
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932[06:25:08] <jmcnaught> birkoff: what stable means in this
context is how much change there is. on Debian stable there is no or
very little change, which makes your computer more predictable and
reliable
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934[06:25:36] <birkoff> I see I'm not running a server or
anything important
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935[06:25:45] <birkoff> I'd like to enjoy new releases and
features
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936[06:25:55] <birkoff> more than excellent stability
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941[06:26:52] <jak2000> jmcnaught any advice?
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943[06:27:20] <n0rthlight_> I really dont want to sound rude or
nothing but there is other distro focused on KDE :)
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947[06:28:36] <rhizome> besides kluebuntu?
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948[06:28:48] <n0rthlight_> Opensuse.
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950[06:28:50] <jmcnaught> birkoff: there is stable-backports. on
stretch you can also install flatpak applications. there are other
strategies too, for running newer applications on a stable base
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952[06:30:27] <jmcnaught> jak2000: not really. maybe if you
showed more of what is going on, but it looks like a mess. lots of
third party repos, you're using virtualmin, an init script
without LSB headers, come kind of dependency issue with rc.local. I
hope you have backups
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954[06:31:03] <n0rthlight_> rhizome
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955[06:31:39] <birkoff> seems like it thanks n0rthlight_
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957[06:34:01] <jak2000> mmm how to try fix?
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958[06:34:08] <n0rthlight_> Debian based kde distro are: Debian,
Neon, Kubuntu, Linux Mint and I am sure I am passing many.
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961[06:35:08] <n0rthlight_> birkoff of course man. People that
like kde seems to very love it.
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964[06:35:23] <birkoff> I just dislike gnome
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967[06:35:55] <birkoff> and before im falling back on some
archaic wm i'm gonna try kde after feeling interested about it
seeing some videos of plasma
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971[06:36:49] <n0rthlight_> I dont mind it myself but I use
Plank and I hide the top bar however I prefer cinnamon but my distro
does not run it.
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972[06:37:11] <zeratul976> Restarting my router seems to have
fixed my Internet problems. Not sure why I haven't thought of
doing that earlier...
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974[06:37:29] <jmcnaught> ##linux is a good place to discuss
other distros, but they are off-topic in #debian
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976[06:38:09] <n0rthlight_> jmcnaught My apologies.
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978[06:38:31] <n0rthlight_> we got sidetracked .
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991[06:42:08] <jak2000> jmcnaught plese
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1007[06:47:49] <towo^work> jak2000, you can't update because
you have no debian and a damaged initscript installed
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1008[06:48:01] <jak2000> wich deb lines need have on sources.list
?
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1009[06:48:28] <towo^work> nothing with ppa, nothing with
virtualmin
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1060[07:21:42] <sailorbrendan> trying to figure out which build
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1062[07:22:22] <wow123> Hi all, trying to get my wifi configured
as an AP and having problems - any help appreciated. It's a
debian box, eth0 is connected to my modem, eth1 connected to my
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1063[07:22:26] <wow123> I have dnsmasq running on eth1
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assigned IPs / have internet access. I have an AP running with
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1221[08:56:16] <cheako> Hello, ne1 use libvirt/virt-manager with
lxc? My system only shows kvm/qemu and I was wondering what pkg I
needed to install.
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1239[09:01:53] <cheako> Found it:
replaced-url
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1262[09:10:41] <Ironhand> hi, the package description for
'nftables' in Stretch indicates 'A Linux kernel >=
3.13 is required. However, >= 4.10 is recommended.'. With
Stretch having "only" a 4.9 kernel, can anyone indicate in
what way it would be sub-optimal?
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1264[09:11:25] <Haohmaru> is 4.10 greater than 4.9?
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1265[09:11:30] <jelly> yes it is.
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1266[09:11:51] <Haohmaru> maths.. you can never understand it
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1267[09:11:58] <jelly> it's not maths.
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1268[09:12:10] <jelly> it's versioning
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1275[09:14:42] <Haohmaru> so.. i was playing a fullHD clip with
smplayer/mpv and when i set it to 100% size and went to move the
window a bit - the whole picture froze (including desktop and mouse)
and a few seconds later the screen got messed up and the linux
basically hanged
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1276[09:14:52] <Haohmaru> i suspect it's something related
to the video card
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1279[09:16:01] <Haohmaru> lspci says: 00:0d.0 VGA compatible
controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev
a2)
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1281[09:16:26] <Haohmaru> i think i have the noavua(blah
whatever) drivers
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1284[09:17:04] <Haohmaru> what else can i check?
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1291[09:18:08] <Haohmaru> oh and i did the equivalent thing with
mplayer (started from terminal with pretty much no extra arguments
besides the video file) and it didn't mess up
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1292[09:19:38] <Haohmaru> is there anything interesting to check
or try?
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1299[09:22:18] <zOthix> if i want to check all my memory address
of ram. what should i do ?m trying to make a graphical view on where
my program is executing and which part of ram memory is it taking
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1303[09:24:10] <Ormu> hi, looks like Debian installer
automatically chose to set HW clock into local time (perhaps based
on the fact that Windows is present too?). I think it should ask
instead. I've set Windows to use UTC so this resulted in an
extra configuration step.
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1304[09:25:03] <Haohmaru> indeed i've seen a message during
the installation that says "setting hardware clock.."
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1306[09:26:03] <Ormu> It wasn't hard to change but I find
this extra confusing as Unix/Linux default is typically UTC and I
think it didn't ask if i want to set it to local at any point.
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1310[09:27:01] <Haohmaru> the HW clock doesn't have daylight
saving crap, does it?
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1318[09:29:01] <Ormu> I'm not actually sure. The hardware
itself doesn't perform it but I'm not sure what happens if
the OS is configured to interpret HW clock as local time.
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1319[09:29:37] <Haohmaru> don't OSes tend to use NTP
whenever possible?
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1320[09:29:53] <Haohmaru> because the HW clock surely isn't
gonna be very accurate
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1322[09:30:01] <Ormu> true
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1323[09:30:18] <Ormu> most OSes sync over the internet, even by
default i think
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1326[09:31:40] <Ormu> looks like NTP was swallowed by systemd and
there's now systemd-timesyncd... :|
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1329[09:32:12] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
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1330[09:32:32] <Haohmaru> i haven't touched any of those
settings (in fact, i have no idea how to configure them)
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1332[09:32:50] <Haohmaru> but the clocks on two different
machines here with debian9 agree down to the second
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1333[09:33:04] <mdorenkamp> we switchet everything here to chrony
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1334[09:33:08] <well_laid_lawn> I just use localtime and set the
clock once
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1335[09:33:25] <well_laid_lawn> I don't dualboot with
windows though
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1336[09:33:39] <Haohmaru> i haven't set anything apart from
telling debian what my timezone is during installation
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1337[09:34:00] <Haohmaru> i dual boot with a win7
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1338[09:34:20] <Haohmaru> it uses NTP too, but it seems rarely
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1341[09:34:56] <Haohmaru> i have the impression that linux tries
to sync with NTP when you bring the computer out of sleep/suspend
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1343[09:35:12] <Haohmaru> or is that controlled by the power
manager thing
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1345[09:36:03] <well_laid_lawn> depends on the DE
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1371[09:45:20] <Haohmaru> is there a way to "watch" the
contents of a text file to which a program is appending lines..
somehow?
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1372[09:45:36] <Haohmaru> or specifically the last lines
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1374[09:46:05] <well_laid_lawn> tail -f maybe
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1375[09:46:19] <Haohmaru> tail -f <filename> ?
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1378[09:46:25] <well_laid_lawn> yep
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1379[09:46:51] <well_laid_lawn> -f, --follow[={name|descriptor}]
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1380[09:46:53] <well_laid_lawn> output appended data as the file
grows;
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1381[09:47:27] <Haohmaru> ooh, it works \o/
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1382[09:47:33] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
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1398[09:55:49] <solrize_> security.debian.org down?
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1408[10:03:53] <Ormu> btw, still no issues with X11 intel driver
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1411[10:04:48] <Ormu> so looks like the flashing/crash problem
was fixed by changing it from modesetting to intel
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1426[10:10:55] <Haohmaru> 109% cpu usage woohoo
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1427[10:11:17] <well_laid_lawn> I want that cpu
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1430[10:11:28] <Haohmaru> dis gon complete sooner than possible
>:)
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1436[10:13:43] <bolt> this is why measuring cpu usage instead of
load is kind of odd
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1437[10:13:49] <hexhaxtron> A friend wants me to do this:
replaced-url
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1438[10:13:53] <hexhaxtron> Is it safe?
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1440[10:14:09] <well_laid_lawn> no
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1442[10:14:17] <well_laid_lawn> didn't even look
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1444[10:14:45] <Nawab> hello
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1445[10:14:45] <bolt> hexhaxtron: safe in what way?
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1446[10:14:53] <hexhaxtron> bolt: in general terms.
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1447[10:15:02] <bolt> hexhaxtron: it would allow people with
access to the directory in question to override all options
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1449[10:15:08] <bolt> hexhaxtron: if that's safe, it's
safe
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1450[10:15:14] <Nawab> using git to pull a repo from github gives
the following error
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1452[10:15:36] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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1455[10:16:27] <Haohmaru> is that what github.com resolves into?
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1457[10:16:59] <Nawab> idk
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1458[10:17:11] <Haohmaru> do you have internet access on that
machine?
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1459[10:17:16] <Nawab> yes
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1460[10:17:26] <Nawab> im typing from the machine
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1462[10:17:43] <Haohmaru> well, 127.0.0.1 is usually localhost,
aka your own machine's IP
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1464[10:17:54] <Nawab> yes
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1465[10:17:56] <Haohmaru> not sure if that's a problem
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1467[10:18:35] <bolt> Nawab: why are you resolving github.com to
your own machine, and are you running something on port 9050 that
you expect to answer you?
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1470[10:19:00] <Nawab> bolt, i didnt resolve github to localhost
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1471[10:19:08] <Nawab> i just typed tht command
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1472[10:19:09] <carmelo11> Hi, I have this code sensors | grep
'temp[123]'
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1473[10:19:14] <Haohmaru> he clearly isn't..
"connection refused" means there is someone there and he
says that port is not listening/accepting
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1474[10:19:38] <Haohmaru> Nawab, what happens if you try that git
command but replace github.com with its actual IP address?
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1475[10:19:48] <bolt> Haohmaru: well, that could be a firewall
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1476[10:19:53] <Haohmaru> i think your resolv.conf should be
fired ;P~
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1477[10:19:55] <carmelo11> I have to extract only the
"number dot zero" from this pattern "+ number dot
zero °C"
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1478[10:19:59] <Rumpled> what was the command in the first place?
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1480[10:20:01] <bolt> Nawab: fix your dns
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1482[10:20:47] <Rumpled> you can clone git projects without
connecting to localhost
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1484[10:21:58] <Haohmaru> why would it even need to connect to
localhost?
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1486[10:22:19] <Rumpled> that's why i asked what he ran :)
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1487[10:22:28] <Rumpled> or she maybe
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1491[10:23:06] <Nawab> git pull -v
replaced-url
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1493[10:23:12] <Nawab> thts what i ran
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1495[10:23:23] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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1496[10:23:31] <Nawab> this is what im getting
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1499[10:23:45] <Nawab> i just started this machine after a long
time
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1504[10:24:39] <Epakai> you should 'git clone' from
github, if pull said that then maybe you're already in a git
repository that has a remote configured at localhost:9050
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1505[10:24:41] <Rumpled> hmm, are/were you running a proxy?
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1507[10:24:54] <Nawab> no
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1509[10:25:58] <bumbar> i'm on debian 8.9, added "deb
replaced-url
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1510[10:25:58] <Rumpled> well i don't know then, maybe what
epakai said. try clone: git clone repo_name /path-to/local_repo
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1513[10:26:30] <Nawab> git clone is too giving the same error
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1514[10:26:44] <Nawab> Cloning into 'TsukiBot'...
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1515[10:26:45] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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1516[10:26:58] <Rumpled> then you'll have to check your git
config, maybe there's something about using a proxy/https proxy
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1518[10:27:40] <Rumpled> but you're definitely doing
something on 9050
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1520[10:28:59] <AciD`> hey, I'm not sure why, but starting
from today, I cannot activate my Creative X-Fi Titanium sound card.
In `dmesg` I see those error message :
replaced-url
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1526[10:30:20] <AciD`> moreover, after removing the snd_ctxfi
module, whenever I try to reload it again with `modprobe snd_ctxfi`,
the whole system just freeze
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1527[10:30:31] <AciD`> I'm using the latest updated
Stretch..
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1534[10:31:35] <Nawab> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.1 -j
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1535[10:32:02] <Nawab> what do i put there to make it accept
packets over tht port?
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1536[10:32:12] <Nawab> -j ALLOW is not there
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1537[10:32:35] <Rumpled> ...check your git config
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1538[10:32:39] <Haohmaru> i've used git a little, and
i've never had to touch "iptables"
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1540[10:32:51] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: your user is probably
not listed in /etc/sudoers. run 'visudo' to add it
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1541[10:33:04] <Nawab> Rumpled, how do i check git config
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1542[10:33:41] <Rumpled> ~/.gitconfig i think
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1543[10:33:48] <Epakai> 'git config http.proxy' or just
'cat ~/.gitconfig'
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1544[10:34:11] <Rumpled> use cat for lines mentioning
"proxy"
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1548[10:35:20] <Rumpled> not cat, i mean grep
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1554[10:37:59] <Nawab> git config http.proxy gives me nothing
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1556[10:38:13] <Rumpled> cat ~/.gitconfig | grep
"proxy"
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1558[10:38:49] <Nawab> still nothing
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1561[10:39:35] <well_laid_lawn> don't abuse the cat
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1562[10:39:55] <well_laid_lawn> grep proxy .gitconfig
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1564[10:39:58] <Rumpled> git config --global -l
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1565[10:40:25] <Rumpled> that's how i've always done it
:(
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1567[10:40:48] <Nawab> user.name=Avra Neel(aka. MaBunny)
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1568[10:40:48] <Nawab> user.email=Find me on irc.freenode.net
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1573[10:42:38] <Rumpled> ?
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1577[10:42:53] <Nawab> thts what it outputs
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1580[10:44:28] <Nawab> anyone?
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1581[10:44:31] <Rumpled> is it? okay, just open the config file
in nano or something and comment out anything pertaining to using a
proxy
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1582[10:45:07] <Rumpled> i don't know the git commands but
i'm pretty sure it has tools for that sort of stuff
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1585[10:45:55] <Nawab> [user] name = Avra Neel(aka. MaBunny)
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1586[10:45:57] <Nawab> email = Find me on irc.freenode.net
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1587[10:46:07] <Nawab> thts what is there in the config
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1588[10:46:17] <Rumpled> # it
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1590[10:47:15] <Nawab> done
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1592[10:47:38] <Rumpled> what is the whole segment of the config
file? just to be sure
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1594[10:47:47] <Rumpled> pastebin it; not here
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1595[10:47:54] <Nawab> tht what i pasted
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1596[10:47:54] <Nawab> nothing more
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1597[10:47:57] <Nawab> ok
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1598[10:47:59] <babilen> Interesting email btw ;)
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1601[10:48:28] <Rumpled> hang on
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1602[10:48:37] <Rumpled> im not on windows, i forget the conf
file for github
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1606[10:49:02] <Nawab>
replaced-url
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1609[10:50:27] <Rumpled> that's your username, not your
proxy?
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1610[10:50:39] <Nawab> no proxy settings there
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1611[10:50:54] <dob1> hi, I am not able to login via ssh using
keys, i created the key "ssh-keygen -t rsa" then copied it
using ssh-copy-id but it doesn't work. I have to say that I
have created the key with the name backup_rsa and copied with
ssh-copy-id -i /root/.ssh/backup_rsa.pub user@host
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1613[10:51:45] <Rumpled> i think you're at the point where
you should just reinstall it tbh
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1614[10:51:52] <Nawab> hmm
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1615[10:52:05] <dob1> does the keys need to be named id_rsa ?
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1616[10:52:17] <Rumpled> i don't know what you've done
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1617[10:52:39] <Nawab> ok np
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1618[10:52:40] <Nawab> thnx for you time
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1622[10:54:57] <Haohmaru> damn, in xarchiver i don't have
.zip support o_O
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1623[10:56:07] <Nazara> On my thinkpad X220, when I open the lid
the backlight is maxed, despite not leaving it there - is there a
way to fix this?
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1628[10:57:38] <Rumpled> rarely do i see zip archives used on
linux systems
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1629[10:57:38] <Rumpled> i think webmin had one once
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1633[11:00:20] <nix64bit> unzip is on my debian box
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1634[11:00:31] <nix64bit> i may have installed it
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1638[11:01:35] <Nawab> Rumpled, its not git related
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1641[11:01:40] <Nawab> still getting the issue
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1645[11:02:20] <Rumpled> yeah but did you uninstall properly by
removing the conf files too
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1647[11:02:31] <Nawab> no
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1649[11:02:43] <Nawab> where do all the config files lay?
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1652[11:03:48] <Rumpled> apt-get purge
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1653[11:04:06] <Haohmaru> Rumpled, tar.gz is not a very nice
format to use for windows users
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1654[11:04:16] <Haohmaru> nor tar.anithing
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1656[11:04:48] <Rumpled> i agree - luckily windows users can only
be bothered to archive things once
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1657[11:05:12] <Rumpled> i supppose because we're too busy
chatting on irc to do things properly
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1664[11:07:29] <tommaso> Nazara, try `sudo apt-get install
xbacklight`
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1673[11:10:45] <Nawab> its not a git thing
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1674[11:10:56] <Nawab> im still getting tht errror
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1678[11:12:00] <Nawab> someone pls help me
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1684[11:16:41] <tommaso> Nawab, maybe u have a system level proxy
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1686[11:16:53] <Nawab> hmm
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1687[11:16:59] <Nawab> how do i check for tht?
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1688[11:17:13] <Nawab> this machine was set up a long time ago
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1689[11:17:20] <tommaso> settings -> networking -> proxy ..
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1690[11:17:23] <Nawab> i forgot what i did with it
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1692[11:18:07] <tommaso> usually port 9050 is used by Tor locally
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1693[11:18:26] <Nawab> hmm
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1694[11:18:55] <Nawab> i did proxy settings to none in settings
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1696[11:19:14] <Nawab> now its working
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1697[11:19:48] <crazyb0y> Nawab: do you have tor installed?
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1698[11:19:56] <Nawab> nope i guess
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1700[11:19:59] <stree> it possible uses tor as a practicing
buddhist
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1702[11:20:17] <crazyb0y> Nawab: dpkg -l | grep tor
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1703[11:20:51] <Nawab> nope
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1705[11:21:59] <crazyb0y> Nawab: netstat -anlp | grep :9050
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1708[11:22:48] <Nawab> crazyb0y, what does tht command do?
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1712[11:23:46] <crazyb0y> Nawab: checks if there is something
listening on this port
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1713[11:24:02] <Nawab> hmm
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1714[11:24:03] <crazyb0y> Nawab: ok let's try something more
eff. - git config --global --unset http.proxy
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1716[11:24:39] <Nawab> crazyb0y, it works now
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1717[11:25:06] <crazyb0y> Nawab: everhting is ok now?
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1718[11:25:18] <Nawab> yes
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1719[11:25:25] <crazyb0y> Nawab: great, have a nice day
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1720[11:25:39] <Nawab> crazyb0y, thnx for your time :)
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1721[11:25:48] <Nawab> also learned a new command...
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1722[11:25:57] <crazyb0y> Nawab: no problem, what's this
distro?
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1727[11:26:15] <Nawab> debian jessie,upgrading to stretch now
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1728[11:26:27] <crazyb0y> Nawab: don't =)
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1729[11:26:45] <Nawab> why?
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1730[11:27:05] <crazyb0y> Nawab: stretch is not ready yet =)
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1731[11:27:32] <Nawab> sorry not stretch,sid
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1732[11:27:34] <Nawab> my bad
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1734[11:28:00] <crazyb0y> Nawab: oh so it's ok =)
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1735[11:28:12] <Nawab> yeah my mistake
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1736[11:28:17] <Rumpled> what was the problem?
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1737[11:28:37] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: git was forced to use proxy =)
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1739[11:29:01] <Nawab> Rumpled, i had 127.0.0.1 as a proxy in my
settings
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1740[11:29:02] <Rumpled> thought that was it. didn't know
about the unset command though
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1742[11:29:16] <Rumpled> glad you got there in the end
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1743[11:29:26] <Nawab> yeah
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1744[11:30:48] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: there are 2 scenarios to
remove the proxy from git: global setting and local setting per
user: git config --global --unset https.proxy (http.proxy) and git
config --unset https.proxy (http.proxy)
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1746[11:31:08] <Rumpled> cheers, ill remember that!
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1747[11:31:15] <crazyb0y> cheers =)
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1748[11:31:40] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: i was for lunch and seen it
late =)
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1749[11:32:22] <Rumpled> i'm still waking up :(
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1756[11:42:41] <tommaso> hey, anybody knows how to fix this ?
replaced-url
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1758[11:44:02] <crazyb0y> tommaso: please paste the output of:
apt-get -f install
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1765[11:46:21] <tommaso>
replaced-url
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1766[11:46:39] <tommaso> but now it's not complaining
anymore ..
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1768[11:47:32] <Rumpled> sounds like my girlfriend
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1769[11:48:22] <Rumpled> looks like you've fixed it
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1770[11:48:23] <hiya> is there a way to stop your laptop's
wifi from going to sleep at all? Even when your lid is off?
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1771[11:48:31] <hiya> I am using Debian 9 with Gnome
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1772[11:48:56] <Rumpled> power settings; check what happens when
you close the lid
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1773[11:49:32] <hiya> in power settings, I have Automatic Suspend
= off
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1774[11:49:41] <hiya> When the power button is pressed Noting
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1775[11:49:48] <hiya> Blank screen Never
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1776[11:49:55] <hiya> Dim screen off
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1777[11:50:14] <tommaso> nope,
replaced-url
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1778[11:50:28] <hiya> yet it would turn off the wifi when I put
the lid down
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1779[11:50:52] <tommaso> and when I restart apache
replaced-url
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1781[11:51:03] <tommaso> I know I messed it up
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1783[11:51:19] <jrmu> Are there any good command line html/css
validators?
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1784[11:51:19] <jrmu> in the debian repos
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1786[11:54:09] <alxy> I am having a question regarding screen: Is
it possible to get back into screens that are "attached"
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1787[11:54:47] <alxy> If I write screen -r 1234 (where 1234
corresponds to a screen marked as attached in the4 list of screens)
that doesnt work
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1790[11:57:10] <jelly> alxy, two options -- either detach them
first (add -d or -D, definitely read about -D first!), or use -x to
attach one screen session to multiple terminals
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1791[11:57:30] <crazyb0y> tommaso: explain me what are you trying
to do first?
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1794[11:58:12] <jelly> alxy, if you have a wonky ssh connection,
you might get used to doing "screen -dr sessionid" or
"screen -drr"
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1795[11:58:14] <alxy> ok thanks detching appears to work
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1796[11:58:28] <crazyb0y> alxy: detach the screen inside the
screen Ctrl+a+d after that screen -r <name> or screen -x
<name>
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1797[11:58:40] <Nazara> tommaso: didn't work (gnome)
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1798[11:58:46] <alxy> crazyb0y: yeah thats what I usually do
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1799[11:58:52] <alxy> however, I lost the ssh connection
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1800[11:58:54] <tommaso> crazyb0y: now I just want to start
apache2 but I can't.. now the apt-get install -f issue is back
replaced-url
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1805[11:59:05] <alxy> and then this thing happened to me
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1808[11:59:13] <alxy> I was not able to simply reenter that
session
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1809[11:59:18] <jelly> alxy, if you know for sure the other ssh
connection is gone, you can use -D to force logout
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1810[11:59:20] <alxy> but it works now after detaching
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1812[12:00:04] <jelly> screen -h
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1813[12:00:10] <alxy> jelly: everything is alright now :)
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1814[12:00:23] <crazyb0y> tommaso: why are you dist-upgrading to
install apache?
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1816[12:00:40] <tommaso> no apache2 was already there.. and
working
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1817[12:01:11] <tommaso> i ran dist-upgrade to see if it's
working again
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1818[12:02:12] <crazyb0y> tommaso: tommaso i don't
understand what do you want to do
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1819[12:02:31] <alxy> one other question in screen: is it
possible to get the entire terminal output? I cannot scroll in my
command line view at the moment, but the curent program has crashed
and it would be nice to see the entire output
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1820[12:03:15] <tommaso> somehow I can't start apache again
bc idk
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1821[12:03:17] <crazyb0y> alxy: ctrl+a after that <- key
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1825[12:03:58] <alxy> ? I use ctrl+a and then d to detach
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1826[12:04:04] <crazyb0y> tommaso: show me service apache2 start
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1827[12:04:22] <jelly> alxy, in screen, ^a [ to access its own
scroll buffer
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1829[12:04:24] <crazyb0y> alxy: ctrl+a (release them) and use
<-
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1830[12:04:33] <tommaso>
replaced-url
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1831[12:04:34] <crazyb0y> oh sorry [
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1832[12:04:51] <jelly> ^ denotes ctrl
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1833[12:05:13] <alxy> so I press ctrl+a and then I am able to
scroll? let me try
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1834[12:05:27] <jelly> you press ^a then you press [
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1837[12:05:42] <jelly> then use cursors and possibly pgup, pgdown
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1838[12:05:58] <jelly> exit by pressing space twice
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1840[12:06:05] <alxy> A yeah it works.. what a crazy combination
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1841[12:06:28] <Haohmaru> it's for h4x0rz
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1842[12:06:46] <jelly> you can also copy/paste inside screen,
that's space actually does beginning and end of selection
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1845[12:07:31] <Haohmaru> yeah, on a real proper OS, you only
need a keyboard to do everything
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1846[12:07:32] <jelly> Haohmaru, it's for serial terminals
of 1980s and 90s, and consoles without a mouse
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1847[12:07:55] <alxy> Is the buffer somehow limited? because
after some scrolling through the error messages its just black?
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1848[12:08:21] <crazyb0y> tommaso: apt-get install libc6-dev
libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libstdc++6 libX11-dev libxml2-dev
libxrender-dev
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1850[12:08:36] <forcerecon> can anyone else get to sdf.org?
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1852[12:08:46] <jelly> alxy, there's a line number limit but
screen will tell you when you get to the top
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1855[12:09:37] <jelly> alxy, if you see empty lines, then
that's what was in the buffer.
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1865[12:11:22] <tommaso> crazyb0y: it fails with
replaced-url
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1866[12:11:40] <alxy> mh, I pressed page up all the time and in
the end its really just black
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1867[12:11:52] <alxy>
replaced-url
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1890[12:32:25] <guavas> hello everyone. I have a sdcard I
formatted to ext4, problem is I can only see /dev/sdb, no partition
on it. I tried gparted to erase everything and then recreate an
ext4, but I have an error "Too many primary partitions.".
Any idea what that my be?
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1892[12:33:11] <enyc> guavas: hrrrm.... what do you _mean_
"formatted to ext4" ?
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1893[12:34:43] <enyc> guavas: i got the impression its'
normal to have a partition-table with single primary partition and
then filesystem atop that, on most removeable drives... (and, when
windows 'thinks' something is a removeable-flash-disk it
only seems to allow use of first partition!!) BUT sometimes flash/sd
are formatted with filesystem directly [not so common], wondering if
thats what you've done.
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1894[12:34:56] <Haohmaru> guavas, you need to make a partition
table first, then you can make one or more ext4/fat32/whatever
partitions
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1903[12:39:06] <Nawab> hello
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1904[12:39:13] <Nawab> im back with a new problem
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1906[12:39:53] <Nawab> so i want to copy paste some files into a
filesystem i hav,whiuch is owned by root
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1907[12:40:04] <Nawab> heres what i hav done
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1908[12:40:08] <Nawab> i unmounted it,
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1910[12:40:40] <Nawab> i then went to /dev/disk/by-label,and i
tried to change the ownership by chown
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1911[12:41:10] <Nawab> tht didnt work
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1912[12:41:22] <Nawab> then i tried to change the group too,but
tht didnt work
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1916[12:41:57] <Nawab> then i tried blkid on it and tried to
change ownership and group on the uuid
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1917[12:41:57] <Nawab> but both didnt work
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1918[12:42:03] <Nawab> so
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1920[12:42:50] <Nawab> is there a step which i missed doing? its
a long time since i did this kinda work
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1921[12:44:39] <guavas> enyc, thanks for your reply. I did a
mkfs.ext4 on /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1
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1923[12:45:03] <guavas> Haohmaru, I'll try to do a partition
table first, thanks!
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1925[12:45:43] <tommaso> Nawab, u might run a nautilus instance
with root privileges: `sudo nautilus` and u should be able to copy
then
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1926[12:46:16] <Nawab> tommaso, thts absurd way to do the thing?
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1927[12:46:23] <tommaso> u can't change the /dev/disk
permission but u can change the permissions of where the disk is
mounted, usually /media
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1928[12:47:09] <tommaso> Nawab, it's a workaround. to fix
permanently change the permissions
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1931[12:47:43] <Nawab> tommaso, how?
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1933[12:47:51] <guavas> Haohmaru, to do a partition table I must
first delete the current partition. Gparted makes me do that, but
then it refreshes the devices and seems like the old ext4 is still
there. Weird
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1935[12:49:11] <Haohmaru> guavas, you don't need to delete
anything.. there's an option to create new partition table..
this basically messes up the existing partitions (it doesn't
erase their actual data)
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1936[12:49:42] <tommaso> Nawab: run `findmnt` and send back the
output
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1937[12:49:47] <Haohmaru> so make a new partition table.. if
you're not sure what kind - i'd suggest you pick
"msdos" type
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1941[12:51:22] <Nawab>
replaced-url
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1944[12:53:00] <tommaso> so check the owner of /media/neelz/
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1945[12:53:42] <tommaso> change it with `chown user:group -R
/media/neelz/` substitute user and group with your username
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1946[12:53:56] <jelly> Nawab, changing owneship of the device
won't affect what's inside, on the filesystem, at all.
Those structures do not consult (or even know) the device
permissions.
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1947[12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 3 neelz root 4096 Dec 22 2016
0EA5-32B2
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1948[12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 68 neelz neelz 32768 Jan 1 1970
3132-6130
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1949[12:54:08] <Nawab> drwxrwxrwx 2 neelz root 4096 Aug 25 2016
cardreader
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1950[12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 46 neelz neelz 32768 Jan 1 1970
NEEL'S MOB
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1951[12:54:08] <Nawab> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 15 2016
temp
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1954[12:54:37] <Haohmaru> one does not simply paste something..
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1955[12:54:45] <Nawab> sorry :(
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1958[12:55:40] <Nawab> jelly, i tried changing the ownership of
the uuid of the disk after unmounting it
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1959[12:55:57] <guavas> Haohmaru, silly me, that was it! Thanks
for your help, works now :)
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1960[12:56:07] <Nawab> idk what i missed...been a long time since
then
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1961[12:56:34] <Nawab> since i did this*
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1962[12:56:40] <Nawab> tht is 1 year or more
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1964[12:57:13] <Nawab> wait
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1966[12:57:20] <Nawab> now the ls says tht its owned by me
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1967[12:57:27] <Nawab> goddamn me
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1970[12:57:59] <jelly> Nawab, where and what precisely do you
mean by "the uuid of the disk"
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1972[12:58:15] <Nawab> in /dev/disk/by-uuid
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1973[12:58:32] <jelly> that's just a symlink
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1979[12:59:00] <Nawab> i just managed to create a file there from
my user
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1980[12:59:01] <jelly> Nawab, which filesystem type is there?
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1981[12:59:07] <Nawab> ext4
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1982[12:59:22] <jelly> then mount it, and use chown on
directories and files inside.
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1987[12:59:54] <jelly> it's a normal filesystem. changing
ownership of device won't change anything
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1988[13:00:02] <Nawab> hmm
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1989[13:00:03] <jelly> inside the filesystem
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1990[13:00:27] <Nawab> so where should i "hav" changed
ownership to be able to copy paste files there
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1991[13:00:35] <jelly> then mount it, and use chown on
directories and files inside.
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1993[13:00:37] <jelly> &&
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1994[13:00:38] <jelly> ^^
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1995[13:00:56] <Nawab> in the directory where its mounted,in the
file itself,or something else?
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1996[13:01:03] <jelly> whatever you want to change.
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1999[13:01:15] <jelly> including the mount point and anything
under it.
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2000[13:01:18] <jelly> && is a typo.
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2048[13:39:34] <sailorbrendan> how do i figure out which
architecture I need? Intel Core i5-3317U
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2050[13:40:00] <Haohmaru> amd64 i'd guess
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2052[13:40:34] <toruvinn> sailorbrendan, if you're really
low on RAM, you /might/ want 32bit, but otherwise definitely amd64
as Haohmaru pointed out
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2054[13:41:08] <toruvinn> sailorbrendan, and with i5-3317U i
somehow doubt you have below like 4GB.
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2056[13:41:25] <Haohmaru> if you'r really low on ram in 2017
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2059[13:41:49] <toruvinn> Haohmaru, yes and no. what about
embedded ysstems? ;-) they can still run debian! usually not x86
though i guess.
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2062[13:42:34] <Haohmaru> i mean in the context of "so, i
got a debian.. let's open a website" x_x
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2065[13:43:19] <Haohmaru> i'm with 2GB RAM, and my nicest
machine has 3GB
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2066[13:43:34] <Haohmaru> my cpus are not as fancy as his tho
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2067[13:44:13] <Haohmaru> i've used debian on embedded with
1GB RAM i think
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2068[13:44:18] <Haohmaru> with lxde
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2083[13:47:58] <sailorbrendan> it's an asus laptop I think
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2107[13:58:01] <john_rambo> forcerecon, Not getting any useful
results from dmidecode ...When I boot my PC i see "Not enough
space in Runtime area SMBIOS will not be available"
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2111[13:58:09] <john_rambo> Is that the reason ?
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2120[14:02:41] <forcerecon> well based on a google search it
seems like the bios chip might be bad, or need to be flashed. There
usually is a jumper on the motherboard.. I would reset the bios
using that and then see if it boots at all.. remove all external
devices so the machine is just the machine so to speak, wipe the
bios and then restart.. see what happens
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2121[14:03:30] <forcerecon> not sure what kind of machine it is,
or how old.
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2184[14:30:09] <Arthur_D> hi, I'm having trouble on my
server that I upgraded from 7 to 8 a while ago. Long story short, I
used a static version of mumble-server (or murmur as it's known
as upstream) and that worked okay, but I wanted updates and thus I
added jessie-backports repo and installed it from there. Now
I'm having init problems. After moving the old init.d script
out of the way and finding a systemd service file on Github and
adapting it, it sort of works
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2185[14:30:09] <Arthur_D> but always fails and restarts after a
minute or two
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2194[14:33:42] <celyr> Arthur_D, so you are using the package now
?
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2195[14:34:03] <Arthur_D> yes, but it didn't seem like I got
any service file with it
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2197[14:34:42] <celyr> that doesn't seem possible
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2198[14:35:01] <celyr> what if you remove and purge the actual
murmur and then reinstall ?
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2199[14:35:31] <Arthur_D> purge the mumble-server package, or
somehow purge the static version I used before?
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2201[14:36:13] <Arthur_D> this is what I get in the logs with my
current service file by the way:
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2203[14:38:10] <Arthur_D> hm the output got cut, will try to get
a better paste
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2213[14:45:36] <Arthur_D>
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2215[14:46:12] <Arthur_D> celyr ^ log file
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2217[14:46:58] <celyr> Arthur_D, it looks to me that the startup
script is broken
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2219[14:47:15] <Arthur_D> possibly
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2220[14:47:19] <celyr> I would try to clear the static version
and the actual mumble-server package
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2221[14:47:29] <celyr> and reinstall only the packaged version
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2222[14:47:46] <celyr> If you can't do this you manually fix
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2223[14:47:59] <Arthur_D> the static version can't do
anything since the old init.d file is no longer there. If I purge
everything I lose my configuration
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2225[14:48:13] <celyr> save your config then
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2236[14:55:45] <ThCTLo> hai, is there anyone who can help me with
some nfsv4 (kerberos) questions? most things work, only my
automounted homedir not.
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2238[14:55:57] <ThCTLo> i cant figure it out.
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2242[14:56:17] <talin> hello. does debian 9.1 come with anything
like iptables?
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2243[14:56:40] <ThCTLo> yes, type: dpkg -l | grep iptables
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2244[14:56:52] <ThCTLo> if its not there instal it.
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2245[14:57:03] <celyr> you should use nft anyway
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2246[14:57:06] <talin> hmm, it's there, but i can't
really use it because the kernel module is not loaded
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2247[14:57:14] <talin> nft? alright, i'll check that out,
thank you
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2248[14:57:26] <talin> doesn't come installed by default it
seems
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2263[15:03:12] <fire_xyz_com> is there program which play sound
by pressing hotkey , globally ? I tried install EXP sounboard, but
it's not working :(
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2285[15:13:26] <Arthur_D> ok I found there simply isn't a
systemd service file for mumble-server - the jessie-backports
package just provides an init.d script
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2305[15:22:24] <aura> stange thing happening guys
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2308[15:23:18] <aura> it looks like when i open a grey background
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2309[15:23:29] <aura> you can see a youtube tab in the backgound
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2311[15:24:20] <Haohmaru> or is your monitor screen burnt from
showing the same picture for too long
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2312[15:24:40] <aura> could it be?
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2314[15:24:47] <Haohmaru> sure
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2315[15:24:48] <aura> how does it even work?
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2316[15:24:55] <petemc> is it an old crt?
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2319[15:25:14] <petemc> probably more likely graphics driver
artifact
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2320[15:25:15] <aura> ips
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2322[15:25:24] <Haohmaru> i have a ghost image where i can see my
whole taskbar
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2324[15:25:31] <aura> talking about graphics
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2325[15:25:43] <aura> i never really did install any drivers
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2326[15:25:51] <Haohmaru> petemc, that ghost image issue happens
on LCDs too
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2328[15:26:16] <aura> i'm using an nvidia card
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2329[15:26:23] <aura> should i install something?
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2330[15:26:31] <Haohmaru> aura, can you catch it on a screenshot?
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2331[15:26:43] <aura> nope
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2332[15:26:45] <Haohmaru> it's either there or not
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2333[15:27:16] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ura try displaying a solid white
screen for a long period of time, followed by a solid black screen.
If it is burn in that is what I'd try
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2334[15:27:23] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *aura
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2336[15:27:47] <aura> is this case does it mean that my screen is
broken?
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2337[15:28:00] <Haohmaru> aura, only you can answer that
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2339[15:28:03] <l1Ll1Ll1L> if what I suggested fixes the problem,
no.
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2342[15:28:32] <l1Ll1Ll1L> If this thread is correct. IPS cannot
experience permanent burn in
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2343[15:28:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> so I'd be optimistic
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2351[15:30:07] <aura> it's not permanent
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2352[15:30:18] <l1Ll1Ll1L> then hurray =D
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2353[15:30:27] <aura> mmm
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2355[15:30:33] <aura> but it's still there
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2356[15:30:53] <l1Ll1Ll1L> then if it bothers you you need a
better monitor I guess
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2362[15:31:21] <cheapie> xscreensaver provides an
"lcdscrub" screensaver that's supposed to help.
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2364[15:31:45] <aura> eizo!
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2365[15:31:49] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I would think that a screensaver in
general would be enough, since this is the problem they were meant
to solve
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2366[15:31:56] <cheapie> It displays a bunch of high-contrast
patterns that are supposed to help reverse LCD "burn-in".
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2368[15:32:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> though I would imagine even screen
blanking would be sufficient in many cases
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2375[15:35:31] <aura> why is xsceensaver better over a black pic?
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2382[15:37:02] <l1Ll1Ll1L> aura one reason is that a pixel may
simly not do anything when asked to display black, since black is
the abscence of color. But I may be talking out of my butt =P
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2386[15:37:58] <aura> you are right
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2387[15:38:11] <aura> should i set up lcdscub only?
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2392[15:38:44] <l1Ll1Ll1L> it seems worth a shot, since by the
name it is intended to scrub LCDs
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2393[15:38:55] <stree> they can deal with lcds its simply the
impossible
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2395[15:39:01] <l1Ll1Ll1L> but I bet if you just enabled
xscreensaver that would be enough
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2396[15:39:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and if not enable only lcdscrub
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2398[15:40:45] <aura> umh
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2400[15:41:01] <aura> usually i turn off the sceen when i leave
my desk
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2406[15:42:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> fair but displaying random colors
would likely prevent burn in better than simply turning the display
off. Basically, if what you are doing doesn't work why not try
xscreensaver?
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2408[15:43:17] <aura> already installed
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2412[15:44:19] <aura> though i need a new monitor
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2418[15:47:03] <aura> does debian works fine in 4k
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2419[15:47:04] <aura> ?
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2427[15:48:31] <l1Ll1Ll1L> aura I don't have a 4k to test it
but I'd be surprised if it didn't
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2428[15:48:41] <Haohmaru> i find it kinda stupid to get a bigger
resolution and increase the size of everything so that it looks
proportionally the same as on a small resolution
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2430[15:49:03] <Haohmaru> but that's just me
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2433[15:49:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Haohmaru in the case of a UI it can
makes sense to do that since physical size of the GUI elements is
relevent
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2435[15:49:56] <l1Ll1Ll1L> yet the higher resolution still allows
for greater detail
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2437[15:50:37] <Haohmaru> the only logic i find in a higher
resolution is being able to have more stuff on screen.. and that
means to keep the DPI low
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2439[15:50:45] <aura> what about 4k on 31"
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2440[15:50:55] <Haohmaru> ..and increase the physical size of the
screen proportionally with the resolution
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2443[15:51:15] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. i'm on a
19" 1280x1024
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2446[15:51:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Ideally you would allow control over
UI scaling so it doesn't become an issue
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2447[15:51:44] <Haohmaru> i'd get a bigger display with more
pixels but same DPI if possible.. but not a higher DPI
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2449[15:52:40] <Haohmaru> l1Ll1Ll1L, the issue i have is that at
this DPI i already can't clearly "appreciate" all the
detail.. so if the DPI goes up (like the tendancy is) then that
extra detail is basically useless
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2450[15:52:44] <jelly> aura, supposed gnome deals with hidpi ok,
but other apps still vary
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2452[15:53:08] <Haohmaru> yes, gnome has these giant GUI widgets
x_x
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2453[15:53:17] <Haohmaru> they probably scale up even more
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2454[15:53:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Haohmaru, that definitely depends on
what you are doing. For some use cases we have had sufficient
displays for decades, for others no so much
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2456[15:54:08] <l1Ll1Ll1L> part of my still misses my viewsonic
1280x1024 CRT =P
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2457[15:54:10] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *me
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2459[15:54:34] <Haohmaru> CRT is a proper display.. these LCDs
are utter crap
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2462[15:55:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I used to feel that way, but high
resolution is nice for web browsing and writing code
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2464[15:55:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and that requires modern monitors
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2466[15:55:39] <Haohmaru> higher DPI LCDs just makes the ugly
stuff harder to see, and you think it's gone.. but it's
still right there
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2469[15:56:16] <Haohmaru> it cause font AA algorithms to be wrong
because they are view on a bad display (LCD)
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2470[15:56:32] <Haohmaru> a square pixel is not what a pixel
should be
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2471[15:56:49] <Haohmaru> but that's a different story
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2472[15:56:55] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Well let's just work toward the
day when we all have a display port in our optic nerve then
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2473[15:57:15] <Haohmaru> nah.. what needs to happen is actual
LED displays
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2474[15:57:34] <Haohmaru> with a tiny LED for each pixel.. and i
mean a tiny one, not a huge one
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2475[15:57:43] <l1Ll1Ll1L> but the market has spoken, didn't
you know the market is always right? O_O
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2476[15:57:48] <Haohmaru> there needs to be a kind of lowpass
filter on the screen
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2479[15:58:22] <Haohmaru> CRT looked good because it had it
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2480[15:58:29] <Haohmaru> everything on the CRT looked good
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2481[15:59:01] <Haohmaru> AA fonts that looked good on CRT
didn't look right on LCDs, guess why
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2488[16:01:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> the main thing I liked about CRT was
support for multiple native resolutions
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2489[16:01:36] <l1Ll1Ll1L> that was nice for gaming on last-gen
graphics cards
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2495[16:04:21] <Haohmaru> "native" ?
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2496[16:04:37] <Haohmaru> LCDs can do multiple resolutions too
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2498[16:05:15] <Haohmaru> they of course only look kinda okay on
one resolution
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2499[16:05:27] <Haohmaru> ..for that same reason
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2500[16:05:43] <l1Ll1Ll1L> lol well yeah because they have a
physically determined, aka native resolution
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2502[16:05:49] <Haohmaru> no
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2503[16:05:51] <l1Ll1Ll1L> unless I'm missing something
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2505[16:06:00] <Haohmaru> because their pixels are square and big
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2506[16:06:22] <Haohmaru> there's effectively nothing to act
as an optical lowpass filter
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2509[16:07:02] <Haohmaru> the actual display is thus
"aliased" .. so your ideal font AA algorithm no longer
looks right on this display
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2511[16:07:35] <greycat> LCDs definitely have a native
resolution, and any other resolution is emulated poorly on the fly
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2534[16:14:40] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I'd be interested in a
layman's explanation of a low pass filter though, Haohmaru
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2537[16:16:00] <Haohmaru> l1Ll1Ll1L, think of two neighbouring
pixels.. lets ignore for a moment that it's actually R G and B,
and let's think as if it's a a single color
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2542[16:16:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> presumably two pixels that would be
reduced to one pixel?
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2543[16:16:48] <Haohmaru> in signal processing, you need to have
enough gaps between each pixel, and some lowpass filter
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2544[16:17:38] <Haohmaru> in reality, it is more equivalent to a
pixel being a wide diffused square, with only extremely tiny gaps
(the grid) sepparating the pixels
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2545[16:17:51] <Haohmaru> this means aliasing
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2549[16:18:24] <Haohmaru> you have aliasing as part of your
display, congratulations! and good luck with all of the existing
graphics algorithms
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2550[16:18:52] <Haohmaru> the worst thing is that these
algorithms were changed to compensate for the ugliness
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2551[16:19:54] <Haohmaru> that's wrong but it looks
"right" on a wrong display.. so people are fine with that
x_x
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2553[16:20:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> =P
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2554[16:20:12] <stree> =p
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2561[16:22:02] <Haohmaru> remember CRT monitors? they had small
RGB dots surrounded by plenty of black
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2563[16:23:02] <Haohmaru> they didn't really have a lowpass
filter.. but when you see that blurry enough (when it's small
enough) you effectively become the lowpass filter
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2565[16:23:21] <Haohmaru> but the ratio of pixel light and black
surroundings was proper
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2567[16:24:39] <Haohmaru> this requires that your dots be
brighter since they are smaller
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2568[16:25:16] <Haohmaru> LCDs probably didn't want to be
brighter so they increased the pixel area and reduced the
"black" area.. that's so bad
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2569[16:25:52] <jrmu> Anyone know of a good command-line css/html
validator that is in the debian repos?
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2617[16:45:09] <jrmu> ...silence again. Maybe such a util
doesn't exist?
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2624[16:46:52] <crazyb0y> jrmu: try 'tidy'
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2626[16:46:59] <johnkeates> i'd say: apt-cache search
validator | grep css
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2628[16:47:28] <crazyb0y> jrmu: It's more than a validator:
it doesn't only check if your HTML is valid, but also tries to
fix it. But you can just look at the errors and warnings and ignore
the fix if you want.
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2629[16:47:53] <johnkeates> there are linters, they work too
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2630[16:47:57] <jmcnaught> aptitude search
~Gworks-with-format::html~Guse::checking
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2632[16:48:01] <johnkeates> there are pip and npm packages too
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2633[16:48:12] <jrmu> crazyb0y, johnkeates : thanks. For tidy,
somehow I remember it was quiet out of date
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2638[16:49:30] <jrmu> johnkeates: ah, I see. Hmm, I'll have
to learn how the pip and npm package managers work
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as well
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2643[16:50:31] <jmcnaught> jrmu: my #1 rule with language package
managers is never as root
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2657[16:56:39] <jrmu> jmcnaught: pip/npm run as root?
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2671[17:00:32] <jmcnaught> jrmu: yeah, don't do it. if you
use pip/npm/gem etc install to a local project directory, for a
local user, in a virtualenv
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2675[17:01:39] <jrmu> jmcnaught: thanks for the heads up. OK, let
me give aptitude a look first then
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2677[17:01:55] <jmcnaught> jrmu: with any of those language
package managers there's a way to make it work as a
non-privileged user, and that's preferred because of 1. trust
issues and 2. not spraying random files all over the place
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2679[17:02:35] <jmcnaught> jrmu:
replaced-url
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2682[17:03:44] <greycat> I never understood this "in a
virtualenv" thing. How are you supposed to install programs
using pip/cpan/etc. so that they can actually be *used*?
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2686[17:04:36] <nkuttler> greycat: you activate the env, and pip
install them..
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2689[17:05:09] <nkuttler> greycat: or you use the full path to
the env, then you don't need to activate it. see also #python
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2690[17:05:22] <greycat> Skipping the entire "activate the
env" mystery for a few minutes, how do ordinary users run the
program that you have installed?
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2691[17:05:53] <nkuttler> greycat: they don't, that's
the point. it's for one user
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2694[17:06:07] * greycat continues not doing that, then
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2698[17:06:38] <jmcnaught> if you want all of your users to run
the program than /usr/local makes more sense. but if you're
installing pip packages for a single django project, they don't
need to be installed system-wide
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2702[17:06:48] <jmcnaught> *then
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2703[17:07:05] * greycat continues not knowing what a django is either,
other than a Tarantino movie
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2704[17:07:54] <nkuttler> you used to be more curious about the
world
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2706[17:08:56] <Guest96592> sry, Any1 can tell me why in Debian 9
i cant read Logs (GUI in gnome) as user ? i Know probably its basic
question
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2709[17:09:47] <nkuttler> Guest96592: you're probably not in
the adm group, which can read most logs
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2722[17:15:00] <JethroTux> hi all. srry if being ignorant, but
I'm currently running latest debian 8.9 jessie. Is that an LTS
distro or should I move to stretch? thanks.
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2727[17:16:48] <babilen> JethroTux:
replaced-url
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2728[17:17:01] <jmcnaught> JethroTux:
replaced-url
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2735[17:20:33] <JethroTux> I feel comfortable with latest jessie
even if running an old kernel rls. So it's ok with me, I wanted
to know if i'll get security upgrades. I wouldn't like to
have my system "broken" after a release update.
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2739[17:21:05] <greycat> Jessie is fully supported for the next
10-11 months, and will have LTS (reduced) support after that.
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2741[17:21:29] <babilen> JethroTux: You aren't running
jessie with its default kernel? And what do you hope to gain by not
upgrading? Security support for stretch will definitely be more
comprehensive than for jessie
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2743[17:21:56] <babilen> But there is no need to upgrade right
away
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2746[17:22:05] <babilen> You will have to at one point, so why
not now?
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2748[17:22:36] <mxh-> gotta confess i just came back to debian
since jessie didn't handle grub install on my nvme drive... for
like a year
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2752[17:23:45] <JethroTux> babilen, I do have bad experiences
about aupgrading distros. I mean i'm more on "if it
ain't broke, dont fix it" side
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2755[17:24:18] <jelly> JethroTux, other distros are not Debian,
and vice-versa
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2756[17:24:20] <Guest96592> nkuttler, Thank You, il add me to adm
group and its works
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2757[17:24:20] <JethroTux> but security is another thing
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2761[17:25:36] <babilen> JethroTux: There are obviously many
things that factor into the decision from the usage of the system to
the time of day and your level of alertness
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2765[17:26:42] <babilen> I wouldn't for example recommend to
upgrade a system that will be deleted in a day while not having
slept for 36h while it is mission critical for my company in the
next 6 hours
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2766[17:27:05] <JethroTux> if I get security patches then
it's ok for me to have an old distro rls.
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2772[17:28:04] <JethroTux> so my question still is, is that ok if
I still run jessie
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2773[17:28:14] <jelly> "yes but plan to upgrade"
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2774[17:28:30] <mxh-> lol you guys just made me check my old box
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2775[17:28:30] <babilen> It's all a matter of priorities
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2776[17:28:34] <mxh-> mxh@debian:~$ uptime => 11:27:21 up 407
days, 20:35
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2777[17:28:38] <stree> going on windows box? i think
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2778[17:28:46] <JethroTux> thx
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2779[17:28:50] <jelly> JethroTux, I still have more wheezies than
jessies or stretches.
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2780[17:28:57] <JethroTux> haha
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2782[17:29:09] <jelly> and one etch.
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2783[17:29:11] <babilen> Same here, but there are reasons why
those boxes can not be upgraded
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2785[17:29:25] <babilen> Oh, no etch and only a few squeeze boxes
around
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2786[17:29:26] <jelly> the reason is "time"
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2788[17:29:37] <JethroTux> jelly, i chose debian first coz I
thought I have not to get mad with upgrades
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2791[17:29:48] <JethroTux> I do run archlinux on another server
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2792[17:29:53] <babilen> That doesn't mean that I'm
happy about that and that i would recommend to run wheezy/jessie on
a box if upgrading them is an option
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2796[17:30:16] <jelly> JethroTux, that's fine, and once
every 2-3-5 years isn't really mad
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2799[17:30:18] <babilen> Upgrading on Debian is relatively hassle
free and can be done in a couple of minutes
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2802[17:30:43] <jelly> babilen, if you mean "patching"
by "upgrading" then yes
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2804[17:30:50] <greycat> babilen: Lies.
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2806[17:30:59] <babilen> greycat: What am I lying about?
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2807[17:31:01] <stree> was lying
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2810[17:31:11] <jelly> if you mean a release upgrade, then no,
it's never minutes
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2812[17:31:21] <greycat> Upgrading of a *core* Debian system with
no optional or local packages, no desktop, nothing fancy, can be
done in half an hour and usually works.
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2813[17:31:29] <babilen> I can easily upgrade a box in 15-45
minutes
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2817[17:31:38] <JethroTux> jelly, what I do am scared of, is that
i could break something while upgrading. So maybe the best way to do
it is to make a clean install
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2820[17:31:49] <jelly> babilen, 15 is not a couple
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2821[17:31:53] <babilen> Less if I have the service configuration
in my CM system already
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2822[17:32:07] <petn-randall> JethroTux: There's no need to
reinstall on every release. But it's good practice to check
your current backups before upgrading.
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2823[17:32:08] <babilen> I wasn't referring to 2 minutes
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2825[17:32:15] <jelly> and the sunk cost of having a working CM
system is unmentioned
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2827[17:32:47] <babilen> As I said earlier: It depends on many
factors, but *iff* the upgrade is easy then I see no reason not to
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2828[17:32:50] <jelly> (so yeah, I'm going with greycat on
the "lies" there)
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2830[17:33:48] <babilen> Seriously, I've upgraded many boxes
in the last couple of, well, years and while there are some time
consuming things (e.g. apache 2.2 → 2.4) that require your
attention it really isn't that bad
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2831[17:33:50] <jelly> JethroTux, you WILL break something, but
most of those somethings are mentioned in the release notes, and can
be tested on a test clone
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2832[17:33:58] <Cl0udN9ne> the world is a lie
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2836[17:34:34] <babilen> There simply is no way to boil this down
to "no problem", "done in 5 minutes",
"always a good idea to do it NOW"
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2837[17:34:46] <jelly> unless you have identical boxes, or
trivial chroots, time spent for me is never less than 2 hours
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2838[17:34:54] <babilen> But, by and large, release upgrades on
Debian are working quite well and can be done quite fast
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2839[17:35:14] <jelly> and they work.
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2840[17:35:36] <babilen> 2 hours? For every box?
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2841[17:35:41] <greycat> Yeah.
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2842[17:35:58] <jelly> but not done in a couple minutes, no, not
when explaining things to JethroTux weary of doing it
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2844[17:36:08] <greycat> Maybe more, maybe less, depends on how
many things change/break and have to be tracked down.
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2845[17:36:14] <jelly> babilen, except the identical ones.
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2846[17:36:24] <babilen> Or reasonably similar ones
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2847[17:36:54] <jelly> those with hostname and ip differences.
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2848[17:37:12] <babilen> But sure, if you have a production
server for which you cannot afford downtime, with years of manual
configuration changes that stray from is considered a
"normal" setup then things can take forever
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2850[17:37:35] <petn-randall> IMO it really makes a difference
between HDDs and ((raid with writeback cache or SSDs)). Latter is
done pretty quickly, the former can take 2 hours on a desktop.
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2852[17:37:51] <babilen> In the end it depends on, as said, on
many factors and to give a reasonable answer we have to learn more
about JethroTux's system
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2857[17:38:05] <babilen> petn-randall: Aye, running on SSDs
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2860[17:38:21] <petn-randall> Especially since there are lots of
fdatasync() done by dpkg.
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2862[17:38:33] <babilen> And we've upgraded quite a few
boxes quite fast a couple of weeks back
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2863[17:38:49] <jelly> petn-randall, lately I'm cheating by
migrating whole boxes to VM first, taking a snapshot, then doing
release upgrade on storage with 16GB write cache
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2864[17:39:02] <jelly> them migrating back when it works
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2868[17:39:17] <jelly> also, eatmydata and policy-rc.d
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2869[17:39:47] <jelly> dpkg is silly, and I _know_ I'm going
to reboot at the end
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2870[17:39:47] <dpkg> wish i knew, jelly
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2871[17:40:00] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I want to input Japanese, so I
went through
replaced-url
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2872[17:40:10] <babilen> The thing that takes time is the
adaptation necessary for new service versions that is time that is
entirely unrelated to the upgrade of a single box
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2873[17:40:39] <jelly> then your definition of release upgrade is
a lie :->
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2874[17:40:43] <petn-randall> Well, if you migrate VMs and switch
them to unsafe writeback before upgrading, things go considerably
faster, anyway. And since you took a snapshot before the upgade,
there's not much to loose. If the upgrade fails, you just
restore the old state.
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2875[17:40:47] <JethroTux> i upgraded from ubuntu (upstart init)
to systemd and wooh, I made a mess, that's why I'm afraid
to break everythinh but maybe tjats another story
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2878[17:41:45] <petn-randall> Schwarzbaer: There's a
Japanese support channel, I imagine you could get an answer pretty
quickly there.
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2879[17:41:48] <petn-randall> !jp
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2880[17:41:48] <dpkg> Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on
irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
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2881[17:41:57] <stree> or jp, but darn removing the mdadm
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2883[17:42:58] <babilen> JethroTux: Ubuntu is not comparable in
this regard .. but you might want to provide some information about
your system: What kind of system is it? (e.g. unimportant laptop,
private box you require for work, server in qa/testing/dev, server
in production, ...). What kind of services do you run? (and so on)
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2884[17:43:41] <Schwarzbaer> Thanks, petn-randall
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2885[17:44:04] <jelly> JethroTux, not surprised if it was a
desktop 6-month release. Their LTS release upgrades are a bit more
polished.
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2886[17:44:37] <JethroTux> i'm running jessie 8.9 on this
netbook asus 1025c. i'm rinning mate as DE and it just runs
great!
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2887[17:44:54] <JethroTux> i had to install a modded bios for x64
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2888[17:44:58] <Schwarzbaer> Aaaand that channel is empty.
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2889[17:44:58] <babilen> Schwarzbaer: It would help to know which
desktop environment/window manager you use .. I happily use
ibus-mozc on i3. ありがとう!
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2890[17:44:59] <jelly> eh, keep using it
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2891[17:45:15] <Schwarzbaer> babilen, Gnome.
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2892[17:45:18] <jelly> long time til 2020
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2893[17:45:40] <babilen> Let me take a look at that link
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2894[17:45:43] <petn-randall> Schwarzbaer: Are you sure you
connected to the right IRC network? Note that it is /not/ on
freenode.
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2895[17:46:01] <JethroTux> if i'm covered with bugs and
security issues I do not have reasons to upgrade so thats what i
wanted to be sured
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2897[17:46:11] <JethroTux> o
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2898[17:46:12] <JethroTux> f
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2899[17:46:42] <greycat> Jessie is fully supported right now.
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2900[17:46:50] <Schwarzbaer> ... Oops...
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2901[17:47:08] <JethroTux> should be till 2020? I could be dead
in 2020 lo
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2902[17:47:25] <greycat> Full support ends ~1 year after
stretch's release, so another 10-11 months of that.
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2903[17:47:29] <babilen> Schwarzbaer: Hmm, haven't used it
on Gnome. Let me try :)
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2905[17:48:00] <greycat> Jessie LTS hasn't been initiated
yet (no need).
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2906[17:48:01] <jelly> and jessie LTS will end around 2020
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2907[17:48:20] <jelly> because their goal is 5 years of support
per release, starting from the release date
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2908[17:48:45] <JethroTux> jelly, so will jessie become LTS
automatically?
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2910[17:49:04] <greycat> From your point of view, it's
automatic.
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2911[17:49:10] <jelly> right
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2913[17:49:31] <babilen> JethroTux: There is no need to upgrade
now, you can look up the support type you can expect at given times
(cf. the LTS wiki linked earlier by me) and draw your conclusions.
Stretch will probably get the best security support at this point in
time and if you purely optimise for that you should upgrade. It all
boils down to your priorities and my impression is that you
don't want to upgrade, so you don't
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2914[17:49:37] <babilen> *have* to. (but you never will)
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2917[17:50:10] <greycat> If you don't need any of the new
stretch features, there is absolutely no compelling reason to
upgrade now.
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2919[17:50:33] <jelly> it used to be less automatic for squeeze,
but wheezy-lts and onwards just use the very same security.d.o repos
so yeah it's pretty automatic
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2921[17:50:54] <JethroTux> babilen, everything works seamlessy
right now, I mean I do not have some newr cpu support
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2922[17:51:08] <greycat> All the more reason not to touch it :)
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2924[17:51:31] <JethroTux> right
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2927[17:51:49] <jelly> JethroTux, then don't upgrade. If you
have intel gpu, those drivers tend to get regressions after a couple
years, so yeah, if you upgrade you may or may not see something
break
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2928[17:52:44] <babilen> JethroTux: It really is up to you and
your priorities .. if your *only* priority is the best security
support you should probably upgrade, but I am not 100% sure about
that either as new software versions could have bugs that are not
present in jessie (or vice versa). It is, however, likely that the
security support for jessie from Debian is not better (but may be
equal) than the one for stretch
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2929[17:52:45] <JethroTux> it's kinda strange runinng
3.16.04
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2930[17:52:57] <JethroTux> when I have latest 4.13 on arch
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2931[17:53:00] <JethroTux> :)
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2933[17:53:39] <jelly> and how often do things break on arch
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2934[17:53:43] <greycat> The security team tends to release
patches for both stable and oldstable at the same time. Usually.
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2935[17:53:45] <JethroTux> mmm
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2936[17:53:56] <jelly> 4.13 isn't even out yet
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2937[17:54:07] <JethroTux> jelly, not much but it happens
sometimes
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2938[17:54:14] <JethroTux> broken dependencies
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2939[17:54:31] <JethroTux> and this kinda things, but they get
fixed soon
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2940[17:54:49] <JethroTux> i meant 4.12
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2943[17:55:20] <babilen> greycat: I just deem it more likely that
the main focus is stable and not oldstable, so if you optimise for
that you'd pick stable
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2944[17:56:11] <JethroTux> if I had a working linux cluster I
will surely not run arch on production servers
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2945[17:56:25] <jelly> the main focus should be both
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2946[17:56:47] <jelly> and looking at DSA mails, it seems to be
that way
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2947[17:56:48] <babilen> jelly: And it will be in most cases
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2948[17:57:01] <JethroTux> i feel just so comfortable with debian
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2949[17:57:07] <babilen> It is just unlikely that oldstable gets
better security support than stable
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2950[17:57:19] <jelly> let's agree to disagree on that one
:-)
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2951[17:57:28] <JethroTux> babilen, but it should be covered
anyway
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2952[17:57:41] <jelly> (older software often gets to be
notaffected)
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2953[17:57:43] <babilen> jelly: You think oldstable gets better
support?
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2954[17:58:07] <jelly> by its nature
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2955[17:58:07] <babilen> notaffected doesn't require work
from Debian
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2957[17:58:15] <greycat> Yes it does.
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2958[17:58:29] <greycat> Verification that a package is
unaffected is work.
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2960[17:58:49] <babilen> Sure, but that bug doesn't require
to be fixed
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2961[17:59:07] <petn-randall> Maybe we want to move this to
-offtopic?
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2965[18:00:06] <babilen> I think it can be dropped .. but still,
if one *only* looks at the focus of the security team I think
it's safe to say that it is stable and not oldstable. Note that
that doesn't say anything about problems in newer versions (see
above for that)
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2983[18:05:37] <RandomGuyOnIrc> when I open this link,
replaced-url
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2984[18:06:13] <greycat> Sounds like a #curl question.
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2988[18:07:31] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I am at #curl, I asked about 30
minutes ago. No reply. Ye it is a #curl question. I asked here
because I am not getting help over there.
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2993[18:09:28] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get install gcc-7,i
get the following error
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2994[18:09:29] <Cl0udN9ne>
replaced-url
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2997[18:10:16] <towo`> there is no gcc-7 in debian stable
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2999[18:10:29] <petn-randall> !bat
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3000[18:10:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3001[18:10:32] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: ^^^
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3002[18:10:43] <stree> more information: dpkg search, dpkg?
whatcha projecting
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3003[18:10:53] <mrig> Hello, I have question about the following
documentation :~
replaced-url
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3006[18:12:13] <mrig> The second code block under the
configuration sub headding.
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3007[18:12:14] <petn-randall> mrig: That would be *within* the
chroot. But check the bug report if it's been resolved. Then
the docs would be obsolete.
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3012[18:13:11] <mrig> petn-randall: ah, I suspected as much, as I
have run in my system, can I just reverse the addresses and re run
the command as such?
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3014[18:14:41] <petn-randall> mrig: check the man page. You
likely have to remove the symlink "/usr/bin/ischroot",
then use dpkg-divert --remove.
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3017[18:15:06] <mrig> petn-randall: thank you for the pointer.
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3034[18:20:03] <luxius> so after doing 'sudo apt-get install
nodejs', shouldn't I be able to run 'npm'?
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3038[18:20:35] <SuperTramp83> luxius, nope
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3039[18:20:41] <petn-randall> luxius: The package you're
looking for is 'npm'.
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3040[18:21:32] <luxius> when I try 'sudo apt-get install
npm' I get: "E: Unable to locate package npm"
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3042[18:21:52] <petn-randall> luxius: Which release are you
running?
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3043[18:21:57] <luxius> Stretch
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3044[18:21:58] <petn-randall> ,v npm
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3047[18:22:00] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.21+ds-2;
jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2
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3048[18:22:07] <SuperTramp83> luxius, that's because there
is no such package in Stretch
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3049[18:22:17] <luxius> oh ... how come?
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3051[18:22:34] <petn-randall> luxius: Oh, my bad. It got removed
from stretch.
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3054[18:22:42] <samkod> Hey everyone, I'm working on a new
PC build and plan to dual boot stretch with windows 7 using uefi. I
was reading the windowsdualboot page on the debian wiki and it says
it is recomended to format the entire disk as GPT prior to
installing either OS. Out of curiosity why is this recomended?
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3055[18:22:50] <stree> to work recomended this channel
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3056[18:23:12] <SuperTramp83> luxius, was the greatest
disappointment for me on Stretch. That and profanity
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3058[18:23:22] <petn-randall> samkod: Because the legacy MSDOS
partition has several limitations. UEFI and GPT usually go
hand-in-hand.
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3059[18:23:35] <luxius> SuperTramp83, profanity?
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3060[18:24:02] <SuperTramp83> luxius, profanity.im
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3061[18:24:11] <SuperTramp83> another missing package
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3062[18:24:49] <luxius> samkod, I run a dual boot on UEFI with no
problems.
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3064[18:24:54] <samkod> That I completely understand. Isn't
GPT generally small like the MBR?
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3072[18:26:18] <samkod> I suppose my only confusion is why the
whole disk GPT when we're going to be dealing with swap, ext4,
and ntfs post OS install. Or am I completely missing the point?
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3074[18:27:15] <Bliepo> samkod: GPT is the partition table
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3076[18:27:20] <petn-randall> samkod: GPT is not a filesystem,
it's a disk partitioning format.
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3078[18:27:42] <Bliepo> Basically it keeps track of which
partition is located where
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3079[18:27:47] <luxius> samkod - you don't have to
"upgrade" to GPT. You can, maybe, but you don't have
to.
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3082[18:28:35] <Bliepo> If things work as they are -> keep it
as it is
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3084[18:28:57] <jelly> samkod, as to why -- because windows
usually really wants gpt for the boot disk if you boot with uefi,
and linux doesn't mind either way
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3087[18:29:24] <luxius> ok, this is weird, if I have nodejs
installed, shouldn't I have 'node' installed?
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3088[18:29:31] <samkod> Ahhh okay that's what I was missing
that totally makes sense now
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3091[18:30:15] <Bliepo> Windows also supports MBR on UEFI ->
replaced-url
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3093[18:30:26] <petn-randall> luxius: 'apt-file search'
is probably what you are looking for.
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3096[18:30:55] <luxius> Bliepo, I know Win7 works on UEFI, but
later editions might want GPT.
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3097[18:31:11] <Bliepo> luxius: I believe so yes
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3098[18:32:06] <luxius> petn-randall, apt-file is not installed
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3099[18:32:17] <petn-randall> luxius: then install it.
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3100[18:32:18] <jelly> Bliepo, I don't really see where on
that page things say "windows will install and boot MBR disk
with UEFI enabled"
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3102[18:32:38] <Bliepo> I just noticed myself
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3103[18:32:47] <luxius> petn-randall, care to explain what
apt-file is and why I need it?
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3104[18:33:17] <jelly> Bliepo, in fact it seems to point exactly
to the opposite, either pick MBR + legacy BIOS, or GPT + UEFI
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3105[18:33:32] <Bliepo> Yup, seems I was wrong
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3107[18:34:04] <luxius> however, samkod probably already has Win7
installed on UEFI and doesn't need to worry about it.
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3108[18:34:24] <petn-randall> luxius: You can read the package
description in your package manager of choice, or with 'apt
show apt-file'. You can search which packages provide which
files with it.
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3118[18:39:03] <luxius> ... doing apt-file update :)
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3128[18:43:41] <luxius> petn-randall, then I did 'apt-file
search node' and got a million directories - can you help me
further?
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3130[18:44:37] <petn-randall> luxius: 'apt-file search
/usr/bin/node' maybe?
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3132[18:44:55] <greycat> ,file bin/node
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3133[18:44:59] <judd> Search for bin/node in stretch/amd64:
nodejs-legacy: usr/bin/node
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3134[18:45:22] <greycat> nodejs-legacy - evented I/O for V8
javascript (legacy symlink)
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3137[18:45:59] <luxius> Is there a place where Debian noobs can
ask questions?
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3138[18:46:04] <greycat> You're in it.
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3139[18:46:15] <luxius> I just don't understand a thing of
what you said ...
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3141[18:46:34] <greycat> I asked the bot named "judd"
to find the file for me, specifying a partial pathname.
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3142[18:46:35] <luxius> am I searching for a file on my system?
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3143[18:46:56] <jelly> just go and install the
"nodejs-legacy" package
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3144[18:47:00] <greycat> Then I pasted the package short
description from my own system's output of "apt-cache
search --names-only nodejs" that I had previously done.
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3148[18:48:39] <greycat> I'm really curious where this
"legacy symlink" points and how you're intended to
run the thing if you don't use the "legacy symlink".
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3150[18:48:49] <greycat> But not curious enough to install the
thing. *shudder*
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3155[18:49:43] <luxius> jelly was helpful ^^
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3159[18:51:45] <babilen> greycat: node → nodejs -- node was
never a particularly good name
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3161[18:52:27] <greycat> ,file bin/nodejs
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3162[18:52:31] <judd> Search for bin/nodejs in stretch/amd64:
nodejs: usr/bin/nodejs
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3163[18:52:34] <greycat> OK, thanks
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3164[18:52:39] <stree> greycat: ok
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3168[18:55:03] <luxius> v4.8.2 is an older version ... *sigh*
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3169[18:55:18] <greycat> ,v nodejs
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3171[18:55:19] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1;
buster: 4.8.4~dfsg-1; sid: 4.8.4~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.11.1~dfsg-1
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3172[18:55:38] <luxius> I do understand why Debian works as it
does with stable releases and all, but seriously ... it's old.
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3174[18:56:44] <mxh-> luxius: while discouraged, for node a 3rd
party repo is 100% worth
replaced-url
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3176[18:56:57] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3180[18:57:48] <greycat> If I'm reading the table right,
it's part of a feature-set branch with an element codename that
was started on 2015-10-12.
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3181[18:58:01] <greycat> I don't consider anything less than
two years old to be "seriously ... old".
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3182[18:58:05] <luxius> mxh-, that's what I'm
considering all the while I consider changing to a different distro
:)
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3184[18:58:30] <greycat> If YOU consider things that are less
than two years old to be "obsolete" then by all means go
find a distribution that caters to that kind of attention span.
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3185[18:58:41] <mxh-> luxius: you can also backport. i backport
browsers and dev tools.
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3186[18:58:51] <greycat> I'm already cranky because of the
"js", which is why I don't intend to install it.
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3187[18:59:08] <mxh-> greycat: well node 8 comes with a version
of NPM that has a very good feature that v4 lacks, for example
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3189[18:59:22] <mxh-> greycat: JS moves... too fast, yeah :)
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3190[18:59:24] <raktajino> luxius: nodejs moves (and breaks) a
lot faster than most of what's in the debian repos. You're
not going to get the latest bleeding edge whatever without using
some nonsense like NVM
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3191[18:59:35] <raktajino> (or the third party repo)
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3192[18:59:40] <greycat> Javascript can go die in a fire any time
now.
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3193[19:00:11] <raktajino> This. Along with all the snowflake
version manager BS.
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3195[19:00:37] <mxh-> JS is nice. the over eager community needs
to chill. my 5 cents
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3196[19:00:43] <luxius> Unfortunately it's what a lot of
apps use today ...
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3198[19:00:59] <raktajino> luxius: so use the third party repo
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3200[19:01:17] <mxh-> you don't HAVE to buy into every FOTM
just because you develop in JS :)
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3201[19:01:27] <luxius> Thank you all for all your help :)
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3204[19:01:55] <raktajino> mxh-: please tell my developers
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3205[19:02:01] * raktajino cries into their coffee
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3208[19:03:09] <mxh-> raktajino: can't ;) just make sure
you're not the one stagnating. my boss was really sceptical
about bringing in Vue until he realized how sweet it was, for a
random example.
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3209[19:04:36] <raktajino> I shouldn't complain too much, it
could be worse.
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3210[19:04:47] <raktajino> my boss did not drink the js kool aid
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3269[19:44:08] <AMartin> Hi, I have a very old PC (1999) with old
graphic card. I was happy that it runs, and even more that it runs
with Debian 9. However, Mesa 7.11 was the last version that had 3D
support for many old cards including mine. I tried to install Mesa
7.11 but one library didn't let me install
xserver-xorg-video-savage (driver for my card), therefore I'm
lost. Is it possible to have in Debian 9 a Mesa 7.11 and what would
be the easiest way to do this?
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3281[19:49:17] <AMartin> (PS) I downloaded all Mesa packages
manually, and xserver-xorg I try to install from repo of Debian 9. I
was wondering, if it would be possible to have some repo with old
packages? Do you know any?
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3285[19:50:01] <badargo> hey guys, whats the point about having
screens in a terminal? isnt that the same thing as opening many
terminal windows?
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3286[19:50:24] <badargo> could it be all about splitting a
terminal window in 2 or more parts maybe?
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3287[19:50:26] <greycat> AMartin: What happens when you try to
install xserver-xorg-video-savage?
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3290[19:51:21] <Brigo> AMartin, Debian 8 packages are still
availabe in the ftp. You can find more in archive.debian.org
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3292[19:51:52] <greycat> If all else fails, the fallback strategy
is to reinstall with Debian 8.
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3293[19:52:05] <pie3> any C/Python user?
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3294[19:52:12] <greycat> *plonk*
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3295[19:52:37] <abrotman> pie3: there's a channel for that,
this is for Debian support
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3301[19:53:43] <knstn> Is there a ...recipe/way to find out why a
symlink is broken? File deletion-path change-file rename
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3302[19:53:46] <AMartin> greycat: it's complaining about the
libgbm1 version - and this one has different libwayland0. New
libgmb1 has instead 2 libraries: libwayland-client0 and
libwayland-server0. I have never ever had any Debian 8 on it, and
Debian 8 doesn't have Mesa 7.11 to my knowledge
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3305[19:55:07] <abrotman> knstn: there are countless reasons why
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3306[19:55:42] <petn-randall> knstn: Ask your real question.
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3309[19:56:15] <knstn> petn-randall: abrotman: yes i know. my
issue here is how to know the reason why, so i can fix it.i know how
to locate the etc
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3310[19:56:32] <knstn> *them*
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3311[19:56:49] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. Ive foobared by nvidia driver
installation badly. Now Im reinstalling debian. What should i do to
make the driver work and to not foobar my system? I dont need
novenau driver to work so it can be blacklisted.
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3312[19:57:19] <petn-randall> knstn: There is no straight forward
way to find out after the fact. Which symlink are we talking about?
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3315[19:57:54] <greycat> AMartin: oooohhhhhhhh... your problem
wasn't when you tried to install the -savage driver. Your
problem was you tried to install an old version of some unspecified
mesa package.
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3316[19:58:36] <petn-randall> ,v xserver-xorg-video-savage
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3317[19:58:37] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-savage on amd64
-- wheezy: 1:2.3.4-1; jessie: 1:2.3.7-2+b2; buster: 1:2.3.9-1;
stretch: 1:2.3.9-1; sid: 1:2.3.9-1
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3320[19:59:45] <AMartin> greycat: correct. The goal is to have 3D
accelleration for my grapthic card. Package
xserver-xorg-video-savage didn't change much in recent years
(if at all), so the issue is with xserver-xorg-core which demands
newer version of libgbm1
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3321[20:00:06] <AMartin> and it has to be in i386 version
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3323[20:00:13] <knstn> petn-randall: well that's the issue,
i used find command, and got a ton in return. i thought to check
it's one of them, and try to fix it, but it seems it's
going to be time consuming, since there is no way for an
auto-pointing out the cause in the first place
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3324[20:00:16] <greycat> So what is this unspecified mesa package
you tried to install, where did it come from?
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3326[20:01:10] <AMartin> greycat: well, the only thing I could
find some .deb files are...(please don't laugh) launchpad.net
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3329[20:01:45] <greycat> But you STILL can't even name the
package. Was it libgl1-mesa-dri? libglu1-mesa?
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3330[20:01:52] <AMartin> I probably can go and install
xserver-xorg-core from there as well, just wonder if all this
dependency hell is worth and if there is a much simpler solution
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3331[20:02:08] <petn-randall> AMartin: That sounds a bit messy.
Is there a reason you didn't stick with those packages provided
by Debian?
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3332[20:02:11] <greycat> Yes, the simpler solution is to identify
which version of Debian actually supports this card and install that
version.
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3333[20:02:27] <AMartin> greycat: I have installed all of Mesa
packages, libgl1-mesa-dri and glx, and others
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3334[20:02:32] <knstn> i typed "it's" instead of
"each"... i probably need some nap
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3335[20:02:38] <greycat> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
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3336[20:02:39] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie:
10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster:
13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 17.1.5-1
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3337[20:02:51] <greycat> And you claim that wheezy's version
(8.0.5) is still too new?
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3339[20:03:05] <petn-randall> knstn: You still haven't
answered my question, though. Which symlinks are we talking about?
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3341[20:03:18] <AMartin> petn-randall: yes, I couldn't find
any .deb files with Mesa 7.11 or repository where I could simply
apt-get install from
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3342[20:03:29] <petn-randall> knstn: You can show the command +
output on
replaced-url
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3343[20:03:56] <greycat> ah, packages.debian.org doesn't go
back farther than wheezy either
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3345[20:04:04] <AMartin> greycat: yes, all 3D support for old
cards were cut in Mesa 8
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3346[20:04:35] <greycat> squeeze has Version: 7.7.1-6
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3347[20:04:49] <greycat> (Had to go to an actual squeeze system
and run apt-cache show)
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3348[20:04:53] <towo`> mesa 7 packages would never install in
debian 9
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3349[20:04:58] <AMartin> greycat: yes, and since I'm sitting
on it a few days (and whole weekend) I decided to ask here
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3350[20:05:06] <greycat> So go install squeeze (Debian 6) and
pray.
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3354[20:06:18] <AMartin> greycat: yes, it was my idea as well,
but wanted to have new system. Well, Mesa 7.11 is installed (all
packages) so maybe I just go forward and install xserver-xorg-core
and other things that my be needed if there is no other option..
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3355[20:06:32] <greycat> Or find a newer computer in a dumpster.
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3356[20:06:39] <knstn> petn-randall: here is an example
replaced-url
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3363[20:08:00] <AMartin> greycat: I do have a new one, quite
powerful, but this feeling of an old PC you spend many years on..
and now you can have a Debian on it..priceless
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3366[20:08:52] <kiwi_> Hello, comrades! I Just found a new file
sharing program, it is called FOPNU. If you use Tixati, give it a
try. Thank you
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3368[20:09:13] <petn-randall> knstn: That is not a broken
symlink. That's a broken filesystem.
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3374[20:09:48] <knstn> petn-randall: what do you mean?
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3375[20:09:58] <petn-randall> knstn: That's why I was asking
for you to show your problem. That way we could have skipped all
this back and forth.
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3377[20:10:32] <petn-randall> knstn: This is how a broken symlink
looks like: lrwxrwxrwx 1 randall randall 6 Aug 1 14:10
broken_symlink -> foobaz
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3378[20:11:00] <petn-randall> knstn: What you have is not a
broken symlink, your filesystem has a problem. I'd reboot and
fsck it.
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3393[20:13:51] <knstn> petn-randall: wait a minute, if i just ls
-l "lock" appears in red color and black backround a.k.a.
the definition of a broken symlink. Possible reasons: deletion of
the target file/target file path change/target file name change
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3394[20:14:07] <knstn> petn-randall: i don't think the fs is
broken
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3396[20:14:34] <petn-randall> knstn: Are there question marks in
the output? If yes, it's a filesystem problem.
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3397[20:15:19] <knstn> petn-randall: the question marks appear
just because the way i invoked the ls command with option *-lL*
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3400[20:16:57] <petn-randall> knstn: Then show me the output of
'ls -l lock'.
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3403[20:18:56] <knstn> petn-randall: i didn't cause the
paste.debian doesn't preserve colors. maybe this is better as
you said
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3405[20:19:24] <tw> knstn: you're probably looking for
something like: find . -type l ! -exec test -e {} \; -print
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3406[20:19:27] <greycat> What's the . after lrwxrwxrwx
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3408[20:19:56] <petn-randall> greycat: extended ACLs.
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3409[20:19:59] <knstn> . SElinux context ACL or something
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3412[20:20:35] <knstn> 11th character could be space/+/.
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3444[20:31:59] <Ormu> i attached a mouse to my laptop and noticed
the horrible pointer acceleration again... who thought that
it's a good idea to have acceleration enabled by default? :|
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3445[20:32:20] <petn-randall> Ormu: It was Steve.
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3446[20:32:48] <Ormu> :o
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3448[20:33:04] <cheapie> I do :P
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3449[20:33:12] <Ormu> some X11 version introduced it, i've
seen it on many distros
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