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97 [07:59:59] <veek> in 9.2.1 how do you fix the ppp-udeb error
with netinstall - there's a problem with the ppp-udeb post
install script
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99 [08:00:20] <veek> anyway netinstall of pkgs from repo
doesn't work in 9.2.1 dvd
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102 [08:01:07] <veek> is there a way to use the shell to edit
something and load pppoe manually
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137 [08:22:35] <inerkick> Hi guys. I installed Debian yesterday,
but my touch pad tapping isn't working . Kindly help
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141 [08:26:23] <inerkick> anyone here
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143 [08:27:55] <annadane> inerkick, questions don't always
get answered immediately; it being 2 am it may be a bit quieter. you
can wait for a bit or try the mailing list
debian-user@lists.debian.org
144 [08:28:15] <inerkick> thank you annadane
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173 [08:48:26] <Psyb3rN4ut> did the security patch go out yet?
174 [08:48:47] <annadane> Psyb3rN4ut, if you mean wifi, for
stable and unstable, yes
175 [08:48:54] <annadane> not sure about testing, i think
that's later today
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180 [08:49:54] <annadane> Psyb3rN4ut, the version number says
it's apparently in testing now as well
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182 [08:50:22] <Psyb3rN4ut> annadane: when did it go out for sid?
183 [08:50:22] <annadane> (which i should have checked earlier
for the other person(s) asking about it, hindsight...)
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185 [08:51:12] <annadane> Psyb3rN4ut, 2 days ago according to apt
changelog (the 16th, though it's only the 18th here because
it's after midnight, so effectively yesterdayish)
186 [08:51:40] <Psyb3rN4ut> annadane: ok cool...thanx
187 [08:51:55] <annadane> Psyb3rN4ut, for future reference sid
questions should be asked in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
188 [08:52:07] <Psyb3rN4ut> annadane: thanx
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244 [09:25:15] <darxmurf> hi all
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274 [09:37:06] <cajdavidson> I've come across a server that
I need to reset the root password on - it's running
Debian/kFreeBSD - can anyone let me know how to reset the root
password on it? I've tried joining the #debian-kbsd irc but
there is nobody in there!
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293 [09:42:59] <jolt> cajdavidson: Does it still use grub? I
think this would work: reboot, at grub add
"init=/bin/bash" to the boot options, then mount -o
remount -w /; then passwd root
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298 [09:43:23] <jolt> cajdavidson: I don't use it on BSD,
but I believe it would be pretty much the same
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300 [09:44:27] <cajdavidson> @jolt It does still use grub but the
boot options/lines are different, set with config options like
"vfs.root.mountfrom.options"
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308 [09:48:52] <jolt> cajdavidson: Darn. Then I don't know.
But I guess it must be possible to override the init script somehow,
which is the key here
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310 [09:49:11] <jolt> cajdavidson: otherwise use boot-medium and
mount the disk and change pw?
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321 [09:52:51] <tiny> If you edit interfaces and put an interface
on manual (previously on dhcp) but make a typo, say in network field
"255.2555.255.0" you can't fix the problem anymore by
fixing a typo. No way to put interface up again.
322 [09:53:18] <babilen> cajdavidson: There are 58 people in
#debian-kbsd ... I'd give it another try (obviously on oftc
with the rest of the #debian-* channels)
323 [09:53:20] <tiny> you need to put it back on dhcp, fix typo,
then stop/start networking
324 [09:53:47] <tiny> I'd call this a bug?
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377 [10:18:22] <bs0d> Hello community. I need to get 64-bit gnu
arm toolchain. I have installed gcc-arm-none-eabi cross-compiler,
but it turns out to be arm32 compiler suite, not arm64.
378 [10:18:52] <bs0d> I failed to find any 64-bit compiler suite.
I am surprised that 32-bit arm suite is in the amd64 apt-get
repository
379 [10:19:07] <bs0d> Is there any way I can get the arm64
cross-compiler?
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537 [10:38:37] <JustASlacker> is there anyway to get command
completion in tmux
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554 [10:42:58] <well_laid_lawn> tmux should have a shell - try
echo $SHELL
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571 [10:47:22] <_ppp> hello i am trying to add arabic text to my
website, it doesnt display correctly do i need to add any arabic
support a debian machine?
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575 [10:48:20] <petn-randall> !ar
576 [10:48:20] <dpkg> ar is, like, a program packaged in binutils
to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or argentina,
or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
577 [10:48:29] <petn-randall> hmm, wait.
578 [10:48:51] <babilen> dpkg: arabic
579 [10:48:52] <dpkg> مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar
580 [10:48:56] <babilen> ;)
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587 [10:49:47] <babilen> But I think it boils down to: Do I have
the right fonts?
588 [10:50:04] <babilen> No idea what's needed for Arabic
unfortunately
589 [10:50:21] <babilen> "apt-cache search fonts
arabic" might be a start
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592 [10:50:39] <petn-randall> Indeed, I was confused that both
were #debian-ar at first, but the arabic one has two hashes.
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598 [10:51:30] <petn-randall> _ppp: I'd try asking in the
channel above. While it might have less users, you'll find
other arabic-speaking people and I'm sure they got a running
setup. ;)
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622 [11:00:25] <veek> ,v pdnsd
623 [11:00:27] <judd> Package: pdnsd on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.8-par-3; jessie: 1.2.9a-par-2
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644 [11:12:45] <dionysus69> ok I am backing up my home dir to a
remote HDD, what's the fastest way to encrypt in a way that
later I can decrypt the dir and run rsync again for incremental
changes
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647 [11:14:26] <petn-randall> dionysus69: LUKS
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649 [11:14:54] <dionysus69> i just googled, says its a full disk
encryption
650 [11:15:17] <dionysus69> do you mean fully encrypting the
external hdd partition?
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660 [11:18:04] <shtrb> dionysus69 what are you going to rsync ?
the unencrypted or the encrypted data ?
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663 [11:18:17] <dionysus69> unencrepted data
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666 [11:18:30] <dionysus69> unencrypted*
667 [11:18:47] <shtrb> In such case it is enough to encrypt both
sides and allow local acceess to the filesystem
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670 [11:19:26] <dionysus69> I just care to restrict access to
unencrypted data on external hdd at this point
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675 [11:21:44] <shtrb> LUKS but remember windows will not be able
to mount it easily
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680 [11:22:35] <dionysus69> its ok :D
681 [11:22:39] <dionysus69> I dont use windows :)
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697 [11:28:46] <demo_> hi
698 [11:29:21] <demo_> I'm looking for some pointers
installing linux in a netbook with a costum grub...
699 [11:29:50] <demo_> anyone here can point me the right way,
please?
700 [11:29:53] <petn-randall> demo_: What should that custom grub
do?
701 [11:29:59] <petn-randall> !goal
702 [11:29:59] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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704 [11:31:31] <demo_> well the details are as follows: the
netbook already has the costum grub with a menu that allows me to
chose windows7 (wich I some times need) and a very old linux
distro... it also allows, by pressing an F key, to restore the
installed windows or linux OS...
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706 [11:32:31] <demo_> I would like to install antix linux
(I've been using it via live USB), but I want to be sure I keep
the option to restore the windows OS latter... I'm a long time
linux user, but not very thecnical...
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709 [11:34:17] <veek> demo_, linux is small install it to a fast
usb stick amd64 and you can get your setup on any machine
710 [11:34:38] <veek> don't go with stretch though
711 [11:35:41] <demo_> veek: thanks, I already have installed
antix linux (it's a debian 8 jessie distro on my desktop at
home... it runs great...) My problem is that I'm afraid to lose
the restore windows OS option if I install it in my netbooks here at
work
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714 [11:37:04] <demo_> I'm not very technical, I can use the
terminal if I have to (and some times I have no other way to get
stuff done), but I'm not confortable messing with grub
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720 [11:39:55] <demo_> petn-randall, dpkg, any ideas? is there a
way of checking and backing up the grub from my hardrrive from a
live distro?
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722 [11:40:52] <veek> demo_, grub installs from sector 0 to
whatever is the start of the first partition
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724 [11:41:02] <veek> AND on the rootfs
725 [11:41:11] <demo_> also, a non related question: do you guys
think there's any chance of my hard drive on this old netbook
being so slow that the system runs faster from usb than from hd?
726 [11:41:51] <veek> i run on usb 2 and don't notice a diff
between 5400 HD
727 [11:42:35] <shtrb> demo_, you need osprobe installed all the
rest is standard and you can use a CDD to build yourself a tiny
debian installation
728 [11:42:41] <petn-randall> !antix
729 [11:42:41] <demo_> veek: I tried a frugral install yesterday
and noticed to system to seem at least as slow as from my usb
stick... I thought it would be way faster...
730 [11:42:41] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on
<MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian.
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731 [11:42:41] <veek> use olvwm not kde/kdm etc so.. it's
snappy
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733 [11:42:46] <shtrb> Custom Debian Distribution
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738 [11:43:46] <demo_> sthtrb: that sounds a bit more complex
than I can usually do... I'm usually a end user, able to make
small adaptations to cli commands I see on line and not much more...
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742 [11:44:35] <demo_> and thanks for the info dpkg
743 [11:44:35] <petn-randall> demo_: I'd just install a
stock Debian stretch and overwrite the bootloader. If you want to
remove grub, you can just run a command in Windows
("fixmbr"). Your old grub will cause more trouble than it
helps.
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745 [11:45:46] <shtrb> demo_ , in such case netinstall + osprobe
will allow you to overwrite the existing grub or installing without
a boot manager and calling osprobe from some other dist to generate
the grub meny
746 [11:45:48] <shtrb> *menu
747 [11:46:00] <veek> demo_, dpkg's a bot
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749 [11:46:11] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
750 [11:46:11] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a
finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot
(that you should not abuse).
751 [11:46:20] <demo_> ok, petn-randall... but doing that from
windows would not bring the costum grub with os restore option,
right? it would iliminate grub...
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754 [11:46:37] <shtrb> dpkg is just a callcenter operator
755 [11:46:37] <dpkg> i don't know, shtrb
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758 [11:46:50] <petn-randall> demo_: yes. But that's what
you want, right? An option to restore the Windows bootloader.
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768 [11:48:31] <demo_> I guess I didn't express my real
concern right, petn... the grub menu I have right now has 2 normal
options: windows or a old linux distro... but it I press a F key, it
does a system restore of the linux distro or the windows os... thats
what I want to keep...
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773 [11:49:54] <demo_> it restores any os the default OS's
to the factory configuration (it installs a hard drive image that
overrides what's in the os or linux partions to the default
settings)
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775 [11:50:20] <demo_> *win the windows or linux partions...
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782 [11:51:50] <petn-randall> demo_: Debian doesn't have
such a thing. So there's a reserve partition with all the
factory images somewhere?
783 [11:52:02] <demo_> I don't mind the old linux distro...
what I want to keep is the option to restore the other os (windows),
because I sometimes need to use some windows only programs, and
that's the only windows os I have at home or at work...
784 [11:52:11] <demo_> yes, petn
785 [11:52:22] <petn-randall> demo_: I'm guessing your
sysadmin built something like that, or a distro I don't know of
has that option.
786 [11:52:27] <petn-randall> demo_: petn<tab>
787 [11:52:30] <demo_> I found the "restore OS
partition"
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789 [11:52:54] <demo_> but I don't know how to access it
from a normal grub menu...
790 [11:53:34] <demo_> my netbook is a old dual boot portuguese
machine
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792 [11:54:17] <demo_> it comes with this default setting. it was
suposed to be used by kids at school, so it came with a hand restore
both systems in case the kids messed it up
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794 [11:54:28] <veek> when reporting a bug in the installation -
what pkg name do you use?
795 [11:54:32] <demo_> right now it's my main pc here at
worl
796 [11:54:47] <veek> ppp-udeb didn't work
797 [11:54:56] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
798 [11:54:57] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
799 [11:55:09] <petn-randall> veek: Try to be a tad more
specific. ^^^
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801 [11:55:26] <veek> petn-randall, reportbug doesn't have
an option
802 [11:55:49] <veek> reportbug for selecting install media
803 [11:56:02] <petn-randall> demo_: Then your only option is not
to install Debian, or to configure your grub by hand from the other
system.
804 [11:56:28] <petn-randall> veek: "11:54 < veek >
ppp-udeb didn't work" *what* didn't work?
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806 [11:56:59] <demo_> oh.. ok, petn... thanks for the replies
807 [11:57:19] <veek> jeeze - why do i waste my time here
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810 [11:57:54] <demo_> I guess I just have to chance installing
this os had hopping the window$ OS keeps running ok... or just keep
using it live
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813 [11:58:12] <demo_> *and keep hoping
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816 [11:59:04] <demo_> one last non thecnical question... I
already tried several tiny distros, like puppy, lubuntu, and so
on...
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818 [12:00:01] <demo_> as far as I've testes, antix is the
one that runs better on both my machines...
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823 [12:02:37] <demo_> any good linux os for machines with low
resources you guys can point me to?
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826 [12:02:48] <petn-randall> demo_: Yes. Debian.
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828 [12:03:24] <demo_> pure debian?
829 [12:03:30] <petn-randall> demo_: Sure.
830 [12:03:45] <petn-randall> demo_: It's the only distro
you'll get support in this channel, too.
831 [12:03:46] <demo_> I tested, some time ago debian with xfce
832 [12:04:01] <petn-randall> s/support/support for/
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835 [12:04:42] <demo_> it didn't run as well as this
antix... I was under the impression antix was a debian version with
some costumisations to take up less resources
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838 [12:05:18] <demo_> that's why I came looking for help
here...
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841 [12:05:41] <demo_> thanks for all the help, and take care!
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872 [12:17:57] <ChrisH> After upgrading to Stretch the KDE/Plasma
"Focus follows Mouse" is pretty slow on activating the new
window. I tried the different options between click and
'over' in Window actions and behaviour. Delay is set to
0ms (but I did not see any differnece here) Q1: can someone confirm
my impression? Q2: Any option/idea to get the fast Deb8 reaction
back?
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886 [12:23:39] <ezra-s> ChrisH: I'm just guessing, but X
overall may seems slower with debian 9 version, I generally use mate
desktop and that one is also sluggish in general compared to version
in debian 8, as in, when you open a new window a black window
appears first, then the actual content shows up, its a fraction of a
second, but still can be easily seen.
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903 [12:29:56] <jak2000> hi all
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905 [12:30:12] <jak2000> offtopic question: anyone know a channel
for microtik routers?
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950 [12:49:01] <FunkyBob> ok, trying to debug why (a) I
can't log in [when using lightdm] and (b) gdm3 can't even
start... I just get the "something went wrong! try to log in
again!" screen...
951 [12:49:10] <FunkyBob> [even though I've not even logged
in with gdm]
952 [12:49:15] <FunkyBob> and... nothing is showing in the logs
953 [12:49:22] <FunkyBob> unless systemd is hiding them
somewhere....
954 [12:49:32] <FunkyBob> where can I look to start seeing
what's b0rked?
955 [12:49:38] <nullcollision> journalctl is your friend
956 [12:49:44] <FunkyBob> no... no it isn't
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961 [12:51:12] <FunkyBob> and not just because it won't wrap
lines... but because it tells me nothing useful [not that I've
found yet]
962 [12:51:13] <gpunk> FunkyBob is your video card setup
correctly ?
963 [12:52:19] <FunkyBob> well, it was.... I've reinstalled
all the nvidia drivers since this started
964 [12:52:46] <petn-randall> FunkyBob: journalctl just pipes
output to your pager, if you have 'less', just type
"--ch<enter>" and will wrap text.
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966 [12:52:53] <petn-randall> *it
967 [12:52:58] <FunkyBob> petn-randall: was about to ask ;)
968 [12:53:56] <gpunk> is it a laptop ?
969 [12:54:11] <FunkyBob> "Attaching egress BPF program to
cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/unified/system.slice/systemd-logind.service
failed: Invalid argument"
970 [12:54:14] <FunkyBob> no
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976 [12:57:04] <gpunk> what s your distro and version ?
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978 [12:57:23] <gpunk> or version , i guess your on debian :)
979 [12:57:31] <FunkyBob> debian testing
980 [12:57:37] <gpunk> ah
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982 [12:57:49] <FunkyBob> ok, so I started gdm again, and checked
journalctl
983 [12:58:08] <FunkyBob> last lines are "systemd-logind:
got pause for 13:.. repeated a few times
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987 [12:59:06] <gpunk> you will have better help at #debian-next
on oftc network :)
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991 [12:59:25] <gpunk> or More help I guess
992 [13:00:15] <FunkyBob> :)
993 [13:00:18] <FunkyBob> ok, have asked there
994 [13:00:38] <dumbl3d0re> I've Stretch installed with the
default Gnome installation. Tried to install `kde-plasma-desktop`
with `sudo apt update; sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop`; but the
computer froze in the middle, suspended automatically, and was able
to access it afterwards without anything else. The installation
'finished' but with the error message "W: APT had
planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (1622 vs
2046).[\n] Affected
995 [13:00:38] <dumbl3d0re> packages: [---]". I did
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1000 [13:02:09] <dumbl3d0re> I did execute `sudo apt purge
kde-plasma-desktop` and `sudo apt autoremove --purge`. When I try to
install the package-group again it only lists a handful of packages
to install.
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1003 [13:02:38] <dumbl3d0re> Was Plasma installed correctly, or
has something happened that I've to manually clean up?
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1007 [13:03:47] <gpunk> dpkg -l |grep -i plasma
1008 [13:03:48] <dpkg> No packages found matching |grep -i plasma
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1011 [13:04:15] <gpunk> dumbl3d0re that command is for you
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1015 [13:05:31] <petn-randall> dumbl3d0re: If you run 'dpkg
--configure -a' and nothing is output, you installation
finished successfully.
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1018 [13:08:48] <woshty> Are there resources on how aptitude
changed from jessie to stretch?
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1025 [13:10:31] <anasule> is there anything i can run that will
show me what the serial port /dev/ttyS1 control lines (CAR / DSR /
CTS / RNG) are doing?
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1027 [13:11:38] <dumbl3d0re> gpunk: Some packages with
"ii" in the first column.
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1032 [13:12:20] <dumbl3d0re> petn-randall: No packages is listed
when I execute the command with sudo.
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1039 [13:14:35] <petn-randall> dumbl3d0re: Then the installation
went through cleanly.
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1045 [13:15:47] <gpunk> there is no kde-plasma-desktop ?
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1047 [13:16:33] <gpunk> then you removed it
1048 [13:17:00] <tdn> What is an appropriate way to have a service
start up delayed in Debian 9? I have an NFS server that serves
shares from a mountpoint that is not available immediately after
boot. The mount point becomes available after a few minutes (needs
to run a script that does some remote interaction first). This
causes my NFS server to be unavailable after a reboot.
1049 [13:17:20] <dumbl3d0re> petn-randall, gpunk: Thanks for the
help! :D
1050 [13:17:42] <tdn> How can I make nfs-kernel-server start after
a few minutes intead? Or should I rather disable autostart and then
have my mount-script start nfs-kernel-server service instead?
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1053 [13:19:31] <gpunk> have your mount-script start
nfs-kernel-server service instead
1054 [13:19:49] <gpunk> because it can fail / be more late anyway
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1058 [13:22:17] <zamuro> !debain
1059 [13:22:17] <dpkg> i guess debain is often a typo of Debian.
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1065 [13:24:33] <tdn> OK
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1067 [13:26:50] <petn-randall> tdn: You can simply change the
systemd unit file for it to depend on whatever service needs to
finish running first.
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1072 [13:27:55] <tdn> petn-randall, but that requires that my
mount script is a systemd service, right?
1073 [13:28:14] <rafalcpp> computer hands for 80 seconds after
"switched to clocksource tsc", when a new NIC device is
plugged in to pci-express. any idea how to poke/debug/fix?
1074 [13:28:26] <rafalcpp> also the device does not work anyway.
maybe some bios settings, or kernel cmd line?
1075 [13:28:33] <petn-randall> tdn: In this case you'd create
a file called
/etc/systemd/system/nfs-kernel-server.service.d/override.conf
(assuming the service is called
"nfs-kernel-server.service", and add some Dependency
parameter there (I'd look it up in the unit docs). Yes, it
would need to be a service of some kind.
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1077 [13:29:02] <tdn> petn-randall, ok
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1079 [13:29:17] <petn-randall> tdn: But also that is fairly
simple. Just put /etc/systemd/system/yourcustomscript.conf, with
ExecOnce=/path/to/script and also some dependencies.
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1082 [13:30:47] <tdn> petn-randall, ok. Will try that. Thanks
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1117 [13:52:14] <mrtnt> I have a following systemd service file:
replaced-url
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1129 [14:00:12] <mrtnt> I commented out "ExecStop" and
now it works as I expected.
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1155 [14:13:24] <Orbstheorem> Hi, I'm trying to debootstrap a
minimal system without systemd but runit instead, but then
debootstap quits and I can't figure out what went wrong. My
target directory ends up empty. Log:
replaced-url
1156 [14:14:18] <Orbstheorem> ignore me, wrong directory target
><
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1218 [14:39:14] <Droid2Debian> Debian/ GNU linux kicks redmonds
ass
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1253 [14:47:51] <petn-randall> hiya: Redmond is the area where
Microsoft HQ is, meaning Windows.
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1257 [14:49:06] <hiya> petn-randall: ok
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1321 [15:10:25] <no_gravity> When I do "mtr
<ip_of_another_computer_in_the_lan>" I only see that
computer in the output, not the router. Why that?
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1323 [15:10:48] <petemc> no_gravity: because connections in the
same subnet are direct, not via router
1324 [15:11:17] <no_gravity> petemc: The packet goes directly to
the other computer without passing through the router?
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1326 [15:11:57] <petemc> well, if the "router" is also
the switch, it will pass through that, but it is not routed
1327 [15:12:02] <no_gravity> With "router" I mean that
wifi thing both computers are connected to.
1328 [15:12:14] <petemc> yes
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1330 [15:12:46] <no_gravity> I try to figure out why vim via ssh
is sluggy.
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1332 [15:12:55] <no_gravity> So I would like to see if packet loss
is happening somewhere.
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1336 [15:14:10] <no_gravity> The strange thing is, both show no
packet loss between the machine and the router.
1337 [15:14:15] <no_gravity> But there is packet loss between the
machines.
1338 [15:14:19] <no_gravity> How can that be?
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1345 [15:15:43] <no_gravity> Oh, I also see packet loss to the
router.
1346 [15:16:11] <no_gravity> So why am I seeing packet loss
between a computer and a router that are like 2m apart?
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1351 [15:16:56] <SwedeMike> no_gravity: are these gigabit ethernet
interfaces? Have you checked the errors counters on the interfaces?
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1354 [15:17:32] <no_gravity> SwedeMike: No idea. How do I check?
1355 [15:17:34] <SwedeMike> no_gravity: "ifconfig eth0"
(or whatever the interface is) will show RX/TX errors etc
1356 [15:17:51] <no_gravity> Looks like only one of the machines
has packet loss to the router.
1357 [15:18:35] <no_gravity> RX packets:40915 errors:0 dropped:0
overruns:0 frame:0
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1359 [15:18:41] <no_gravity> TX packets:32422 errors:0 dropped:0
overruns:0 carrier:0
1360 [15:18:50] <no_gravity> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
1361 [15:18:54] <SwedeMike> is this cabled or wifi?
1362 [15:18:57] <no_gravity> wifi
1363 [15:19:02] <no_gravity> wlan0
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1369 [15:20:20] <SwedeMike> no_gravity: is the router running
vendor provided firmware?
1370 [15:20:34] <no_gravity> SwedeMike: I think so.
1371 [15:21:30] <no_gravity> Maybe the "wifi usb stick"
on the machine with the packet loss just sucks.
1372 [15:22:12] <SwedeMike> no_gravity: either that or driver
issue, yes.
1373 [15:22:27] <no_gravity> I will try some other ones when I get
around it it.
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1399 [15:31:08] <bsdnoob> guys
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1401 [15:31:27] <bsdnoob> 4.13 kernel makes my wifi unstable
1402 [15:31:36] <bsdnoob> I am using ath10k_pci
1403 [15:32:11] <bsdnoob> whenever I disconnect from an AP system
goes into this strange state where I cannot run any command
1404 [15:32:13] <babilen> bsdnoob: Report a bug and use 4.12 ?
1405 [15:32:21] <bsdnoob> I cannot gracefully reboot and so on
1406 [15:32:27] <bsdnoob> babilen, yes
1407 [15:32:34] <bsdnoob> I am using 4.12 for now
1408 [15:32:42] <bsdnoob> babilen, where do I file a bug?
1409 [15:32:59] <babilen>
replaced-url
1410 [15:33:24] <babilen> You might also be interesting in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net where we support testing and unstable
1411 [15:33:25] <bsdnoob> babilen, thanks
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1422 [15:38:18] <BLZbubba> hi guys, i'm using jessie and it
looks like my rpcbind process is defunct. is there any way to clear
it out?
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1426 [15:39:14] <BLZbubba> i have a process going on it that will
take a few days; so I'm hoping that I won't have to reboot
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1428 [15:39:34] <petn-randall> BLZbubba: How do you know its
defunct?
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1436 [15:41:36] <BLZbubba> [rpcbind] <defunct>
1437 [15:42:01] <petn-randall> BLZbubba: What does 'systemctl
status rpcbind' give you?
1438 [15:42:10] <BLZbubba> it thinks everything is normal
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1440 [15:42:23] <BLZbubba> well i am in sysvinit mode
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1442 [15:43:00] <BLZbubba> so /etc/init.d/rpcbind status thinks
everything is normal
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1444 [15:43:11] <BLZbubba> i can start an rpcbind by hand and it
seems ok
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1449 [15:44:14] <petn-randall> BLZbubba: <defunct> just
means that it's a parent process waiting for the child process
to exit, so this isn't anything unusual. If the service is
reachable, there's nothing much needed to do.
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1471 [15:52:03] <jeroenpraat> Using Debian 8: How do I use cgroup
(or any other method) to limit the number of processes a user can
run *at the same time* ? The only thing I can find is how to limit a
single process. But I want to avoid this user to run to many
processes at the same time. It are all single processes that are not
spawned from another process (parent ID=1).
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1476 [15:53:56] <jeroenpraat> > I know how to to limit memory
with cgroup, but somehow this memory limit is per process, not for
all the users proccesses
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1482 [15:55:13] <Zorix2> Hi guys, i have been testing debian a bit
in VM.. one of the things I have noticed using the debian testing
iso is that it doesn't install all of the repos in the
sources.list, just the security ones.. is this intended or a bug?
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1484 [15:55:37] <petn-randall> !testing installer
1485 [15:55:38] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is
for testing the <installer>, not for installing
<testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using
the <stable> installer and ask me about
<stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against
the debian-installer pseudopackage.
replaced-url
1486 [15:55:50] <Zorix2> I did see that in the wiki yes
1487 [15:56:02] <Zorix2> I have both 9.2 and testing iso and I was
just comparing
1488 [15:56:42] <Zorix2> I'm not familiar with debian enough
to know if this is intended behavior or a bug
1489 [15:56:52] <petn-randall> Zorix2: IIRC this bug can happen if
you fail to set up networking (my recollection of it is hazy,
sorry).
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1494 [15:57:22] <petn-randall> Zorix2: Did you still have a cdrom
line, though?
1495 [15:57:23] <jeroenpraat> Oh well..
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1499 [15:57:39] <awal1> any utility for compare sha256sums and
such stuff in general?
1500 [15:57:41] <Zorix2> Oh I see.. yea the installer never asked
about networking other than hostname and domain, it does contain the
cdrom line though, yes
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1508 [15:59:20] <petn-randall> Zorix2: In this case it does the
best it can. For an offline machine it would make sense to have the
usual sources, as any 'apt update' would fail to retrieve
the list. I didn't look into the rationale of this, so I
don't know if I'm correct with my assumption or if
it's actually a bug.
1509 [15:59:43] <iwkse> hi, anyone using bitcoind on sid? seems
like leveldb 1.20-1 makes it to segfault
1510 [16:00:00] <Zorix2> petn-randall: alright, fair enough. I
appreciate the explanation
1511 [16:00:11] <petn-randall> *wouldn't
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1514 [16:00:35] <petn-randall> Zorix2: Rest assured, if you having
working network during install it will create a valid sources.list.
1515 [16:00:45] <petn-randall> (with the 3 usual deb lines.)
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1517 [16:00:56] <Zorix2> petn-randall: I wonder why it
doesn't consider my network working when it works after the
install... strange
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1519 [16:01:07] <tw> awal1: sha256sums -c?
1520 [16:01:17] <Zorix2> The debian 9.2 installer produces the
correct deb lines
1521 [16:01:33] <petn-randall> Zorix2: Did you maybe skip those
step in the testing installer?
1522 [16:01:58] <Zorix2> I did test it a few times when I was
playing with the different DEs, I did the same exact steps each time
1523 [16:02:43] <Zorix2> 9.2 consistently produced a correct
sources.list while the testing one did not
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1529 [16:04:20] <awal1> tw, oh, I missed that , thanks. My
question was almost about a gui utility but since sha256sum utility
can do that yet all fine so; no gui needed :)
1530 [16:04:46] <Zorix2> petn-randall: I wonder if it's
something to do with the way it handles Virtualbox
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1537 [16:05:41] <tw> awal1: all of those <HASHALG>sum
utilities have approximately the same cli options, which is pretty
convenient.
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1542 [16:08:11] <Zorix2> I should test it some more with the
curses based installer instead, see if it's something that
happens only on the graphical installer
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1546 [16:08:35] <awal1> tw, I am noticing that yeah; I rarely
compare such stuff; good to know ;)
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1549 [16:12:29] <Zorix2> petn-randall: alright I just installed
9.2 stable again and now it happens there too, very strange..
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1670 [17:07:03] <GNU\colossus> is there a tool that can sync all
content of a carddav/caldav-account to another?
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1690 [17:17:05] <gpunk> you can with a client "download"
one account
1691 [17:17:13] <gpunk> then "upload" to another one
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1693 [17:17:57] <gpunk> try it with evolution for example
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1751 [17:43:48] <lappet> hi there, something showed while doing
apt-get update. First time saw this. link:
replaced-url
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1753 [17:45:42] <iwkse> lappet: clear /var/lib/apt/lists/ and run
again apt-get update
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1756 [17:46:39] <lappet> still got that warning
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1759 [17:47:39] <shtrb> I was getting the same from ftp.uk , wait
, clear and update
1760 [17:47:52] <petn-randall> lappet: Might be that the mirror
near you is only partially synced. I'm sure some warnings
popped up at the security archive admins, and their fixing this. If
this still happens in half a day, I'd ping them in
#debian-security on OFTC.
1761 [17:48:06] <petn-randall> s/their/they're/
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1763 [17:48:12] <iwkse> lappet: try to apt-get clean &&
apt-get update
1764 [17:48:23] <lappet> iwkse and petn-randall : thank you
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1870 [18:36:58] <Demos_> how high quality are CPack's debs?
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1874 [18:37:49] <petn-randall> Demos_: Who is CPack?
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1876 [18:38:10] <Demos_> CMakes thingy that can generate packages
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1880 [18:38:50] <FinalX> we don't do anything with CPack,
it's not a Debian thing, so no idea
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1971 [19:21:56] <galex-713> Hi, is reportbug only for testing?
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2028 [19:48:36] <annadane> galex-713, no
2029 [19:48:41] <annadane> reportbug is for any release
2030 [19:49:22] <annadane> that said, it does happen sometimes
that someone reports a bug in testing only to be told it's
already been fixed in sid
2031 [19:49:32] <galex-713> and what about stable?
2032 [19:49:51] <annadane> stable is fine
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2034 [19:50:10] <galex-713> I’m under stable, and reportbug
says me my package is out of date because there’s a newer
version in testing and ask me to confirm if I want to report a bug
2035 [19:50:12] <galex-713> Should I?
2036 [19:50:35] <galex-713> Does that mean I should find somewhere
where to install testing first and see if I still have the same bug?
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2039 [19:51:09] <annadane> uhh
2040 [19:51:29] <annadane> you know, that's actually a good
question. i'l let somebody else answer
2041 [19:51:39] <galex-713> :/
2042 [19:51:59] <shtrb> What package and what need to be tested ?
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2044 [19:52:48] <galex-713> annadane, also, if I encounter a
problem, not knowing why something stopped working (hardware,
software) but I know one or two package it could be related to, or
those community could know how to know more about my problem, should
I mail debian-users, debian-maintainers of these softwares, report a
bug, or send a mail to the original devs?
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2046 [19:52:55] <galex-713> modemmanager and modem-manager-gui
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2048 [19:53:04] <galex-713> well actually some weeks ago I
completely stopped receiving smses
2049 [19:53:07] <galex-713> I still can send some
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2051 [19:53:11] <galex-713> but I can’t receive any
2052 [19:53:18] <galex-713> if I put my sim card in any other
phone that works
2053 [19:53:22] <galex-713> but not anymore in my computer
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2059 [19:53:50] <annadane> in theory you can ask support channels
like this one what to file the bug under, and, yes, describing the
package and problem you're having with it like you're
doing is a good idea
2060 [19:53:58] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: One solution would be to
take a look at the changelog for the testing package and look for
references to your problem.
2061 [19:54:05] <annadane> it may not be a bug, for instance
2062 [19:54:18] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, how to do that?
2063 [19:54:33] <annadane> apt changelog modemmanager etc
2064 [19:54:34] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Actually testing the
newere software would be nice of you, but it's still reasonable
to report the bug, as the older version could be patched.
2065 [19:54:35] <galex-713> annadane, yeah, maybe some hidden
settings, or maybe that’s the hardware fault, maybe my modem
is broken :/
2066 [19:54:38] <annadane> wait, no
2067 [19:54:43] <annadane> that's if you already have
testing, sorry
2068 [19:54:46] <shtrb> galex-713 modemmanger + what phone ? I
didn't have SMS working for ages (and on sid )
2069 [19:54:58] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: Also be sure to search
the BTS for similar bugreports that may have been addressed.
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2071 [19:55:11] <annadane> jhutchins_wk, that's what i
thought, didn't want to spread wrong information though
2072 [19:55:18] <strive> Best Debian-based distro other than
Ubuntu?
2073 [19:55:25] <jhutchins_wk> strive: Debian.
2074 [19:55:30] <strive> jhutchins_wk: Sold.
2075 [19:55:33] <shtrb> strive , Debian potato
2076 [19:55:35] <galex-713> shtrb, no phone except my own
computer, I have a Thinkpad X220 with an internal usb sierra modem
and a sim card port under the battery and could send/receive smses
for a while until the problem occured
2077 [19:55:48] <annadane> best is subjective. i guess most people
would probably say mint (people have had issues with ubuntu's
policy)
2078 [19:56:05] <strive> annadane: You're right. I
should've rephrased that.
2079 [19:56:07] <galex-713> mint policy is between ubuntu and
debian
2080 [19:56:09] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: I'd definitely post
to the user mailing list (not the maintainer).
2081 [19:56:14] <shtrb> If that is like the internal sim slots
(builtin) they also need a kernel module
2082 [19:56:17] <galex-713> it’s not as commercial than
ubuntu, but not free like debian
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2084 [19:56:38] <galex-713> shtrb, yeah, which is free, and worked
out of the box after having installed debian
2085 [19:56:39] <annadane> but, yes, definitely recommend debian
to anyone
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2089 [19:56:48] <annadane> it's pretty much one of the best
2090 [19:57:00] <shtrb> galex-713 file the bug and add if you can
what modem options does work (like location data )
2091 [19:57:11] <strive> annadane: I'll give Debian a go.
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2093 [19:57:33] <galex-713> shtrb, location never worked, or not
well, or depending on the mobile network, only smses receiving
stopped to work
2094 [19:57:36] <galex-713> and I can still send smses
2095 [19:57:38] <galex-713> and call people
2096 [19:57:41] <galex-713> and being called
2097 [19:57:45] <shtrb> galex-713 have you upgraded the kernel
recently ?
2098 [19:57:58] <shtrb> over that modem ?
2099 [19:58:02] <galex-713> shtrb, not sure… don’t
think so but I could have forgot as well…
2100 [19:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: You might check with
your provider.
2101 [19:58:14] <shtrb> are you sure the SMSC number didn't
change ?
2102 [19:58:23] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, I still receive them if
I put my sim card in another phone, so it’s because of my
computer/system
2103 [19:58:32] <galex-713> shtrb, the smsc number?
2104 [19:58:50] <galex-713> shtrb, is there a way to check what
has been upgraded recently?
2105 [19:58:52] <galex-713> some log?
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2108 [19:59:08] <shtrb> galex-713 , not able to get an SMS (when
you can make calls ) can be caused if you have a block on the
network level (something with your account / sim card) or the
hardcoded phonenumber is incorrect
2109 [19:59:35] <shtrb> galex-713 , if there would have a change
you are expected to receive a special message
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2111 [19:59:46] <shtrb> check if OTHER sim card (prepaid ) is able
to send / and get SMS
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2113 [20:00:31] <galex-713> shtrb, ok I’ll do, I don’t
have another one on me currently but I’ll try soon, with a
friend sim card I think
2114 [20:01:10] <shtrb> any sim card (same band as yours ) that
has an option to send /receive SMS would be ok
2115 [20:01:14] <galex-713> yet I recall I can still send smses,
and I can receive smses with other phones with that same sim card
whenever I insert that sim card in another device
2116 [20:01:52] <galex-713> shtrb, I don’t have any, and
also the procedure to get one is afaik a bit more complicated in
France since State of urgency
2117 [20:02:01] <shtrb> does the modem initated with some kind of
a script ?
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2119 [20:02:05] <galex-713> I’ll try a friend one, that
should do right?
2120 [20:02:25] <galex-713> shtrb, normally at boot a window
ask-me pin-code, and I’m under KDE
2121 [20:02:27] <shtrb> state of emergency ? what happen now ?
2122 [20:02:32] <galex-713> and KDE starts network-manager
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2124 [20:02:40] <galex-713> which use modemmanager to connect to
internet using 3G
2125 [20:02:45] <galex-713> so it switch on the modem
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2129 [20:03:14] <galex-713> shtrb, now? nothing, it’s some
years ago there was a terrorist attack, they killed people, and
we’re going to have the state of emergency for some years now
2130 [20:03:40] <shtrb> France ?!
2131 [20:04:15] <shtrb> based from memory , you can enable extra
logging and try to use memcli to get additional infromation
2132 [20:04:22] <shtrb> but that would work only when modem not in
use
2133 [20:05:06] <shtrb> Oh and clear your stored SMS (make sure
you have empty space on that sim card)
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2137 [20:06:33] <galex-713_> sorry, my wifi usb dongle tends to
stop working (with stuff like “network unreachable” or
“cache size oversomething”) after a while of usage
2138 [20:06:35] <galex-713_> back to 3G
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2141 [20:06:41] <galex-713_> so I was saying
2142 [20:06:53] <galex-713_> *answering
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2144 [20:07:01] <galex-713_> <galex-713> shtrb, now?
nothing, it’s some years ago there was a terrorist attack,
they killed people, and we’re going to have the state of
emergency for some years now
2145 [20:07:01] <galex-713_> <galex-713> We already have
some “temporary anti-terrorist plan” since 90's, so
I think this “emergency state” is going to stay, most
people (and medias and politicants too) do
2146 [20:07:13] <galex-713_> it is especially useful for the
government to arbitrarily censor stuff, jail people, enter
people’s house, track in their (including internet) stuff,
surveillance and forbidding protests/etc. for no reasons
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2148 [20:07:43] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713: That's really not
topical for #debian.
2149 [20:07:43] <shtrb> ok ..
2150 [20:07:58] <shtrb> back to the topic , make sure you have
enough space on sim card memory
2151 [20:08:02] <galex-713_> shtrb, anyway nothing that
complicated, like it takes more time, plus an id card (I’ve
lost mine, but maybe my passport will be enough, yet it’s not
French so maybe not), plus something else I forgot to get a prepaid
sim card
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2153 [20:08:11] <galex-713_> oh
2154 [20:08:14] <galex-713_> how can I do that?
2155 [20:08:21] <shtrb> and use memcli for command line
2156 [20:08:41] <galex-713_> I thought modem-manager-gui did store
everything in
.local/share/modem-manager-gui/<device-code>/sms.gdbm
2157 [20:08:47] <shtrb> *mmcli
2158 [20:08:51] <galex-713_> I tried to use mmcli to send myself
smses
2159 [20:08:56] <galex-713_> and I don’t receive them
2160 [20:09:11] <shtrb> I think the simcard store information on
itself aswell
2161 [20:09:42] <galex-713_> maybe killing modem-manager-gui and
launching xgnokii?
2162 [20:10:12] <jhutchins_wk> !changelog
2163 [20:10:12] <dpkg> The Debian changelog for foo can be found
in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb,
"apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb
--fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf -
'*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also
"aptitude changelog foo" or go to
replaced-url
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2166 [20:11:01] <galex-713_> jhutchins_wk, so should I look for
changelogs of current stable version also? I mean rather one the
changes that have been made in the testing one?
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2168 [20:11:46] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: I would say both, but
the idea is to see if it's addressed in the testing version,
and if not, note that in a report for the stable version.
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2171 [20:12:14] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: If it is addressed,
that's something that might need to be patched/backported to
stable.
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2173 [20:12:22] <galex-713_> ok nothing new except the new
upstream release on modemmanager in testing
2174 [20:13:13] <galex-713_> modem-manager-gui has the exact same
version
2175 [20:13:23] <galex-713_> so only modemmanager is new
2176 [20:13:43] <galex-713_> now let’s see bugs for
modemmanager
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2178 [20:14:33] <galex-713_> oh damn, xgnokii doesn’t want
to start except if I disable the modem
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2180 [20:14:36] <shtrb> galex_713_ , i think you will need to do
mmcli -m --list-messages and then mmcli -m --messagin-delete-sms
2181 [20:14:37] <galex-713_> need to switch on wifi again
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2183 [20:14:58] <shtrb> or to plug the sim into a mobile phone and
manually erase it with the phone
2184 [20:15:15] <galex-713_> shtrb, mmcli -m <n>
--list-messages is cleared out after each modem restart (reboot or
suspend), and each time the modem starts, I see 5 void smses
2185 [20:15:31] <galex-713_> from “unknown” number
2186 [20:15:59] <shtrb> can you try to plug it into a phone and
erase some messages (if they are there ) ?
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2208 [20:23:53] <strive> I'm interestd in downloading and
installing Debian. How do I go about knowing if modules for
"ath9k_htc" are on the CD or DVD install discs?
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2211 [20:25:47] <annadane> you'd need the non-free firmware
image
2212 [20:25:57] <annadane> and i don't even remember where to
find that
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2214 [20:26:53] <strive> Got it:
replaced-url
2215 [20:27:02] <strive> thank you annadane :)
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2225 [20:28:19] <galex-713__> annadane, shtrb oh damn you were
right
2226 [20:28:26] <galex-713__> I’m receiving a tooooon of
smses
2227 [20:28:31] <shtrb> :)
2228 [20:28:37] <galex-713__> after having erased sim smses with
wammu
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2231 [20:29:03] <galex-713__> damn, so it means modem-manager-gui
doesn’t erase smses
2232 [20:29:16] <shtrb> file a bug
2233 [20:29:28] <shtrb> !next
2234 [20:29:28] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2235 [20:29:34] <galex-713__> ah yeah now I have a reason and
relevant information to fill a bug x)
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2237 [20:29:44] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713__: I would think you
would want manual controll over erasing mesages. There are some I
want to keep.
2238 [20:29:52] <galex-713__> also during the process I found two
bugs for modem-manager-gui that I currently experience
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2240 [20:30:26] <shtrb> but I think your modem should support
location
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2242 [20:30:46] <shtrb> That and USSD
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2257 [20:34:20] <galex-713_> <galex-713__> jhutchins_wk, I
was thinking more “if I modem-manager-gui receive an sms and
stores it in gdbm, remove it from sim card”
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2261 [20:34:51] <galex-713_> shtrb, how can I participate in a bug
thread? like answer under some given bug “hey I have the same
bug, how is it going?”
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2265 [20:35:46] <shtrb> send an email to the bug
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2267 [20:36:12] <galex-713> ?
2268 [20:36:14] * galex-713 looks
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2270 [20:36:40] <galex-713> Oh just noticed it!
2271 [20:36:47] <galex-713> Ok each bug has a mail address
2272 [20:36:49] <galex-713> strange but ok
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2275 [20:39:14] <Elirips> Hello. By chance any ideas what ip
dhcpc5 will use as fallback for a client, if it fails to get one? I
think its something like 169.x.x.x - but what exactly?
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2277 [20:40:32] <mutante> Elirips: something in the network
169.254.0.0/16 but typicall a Windows thing
2278 [20:40:50] <shtrb> 169 is non addressable , standard thing
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2280 [20:41:32] <mutante>
replaced-url
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2283 [20:42:02] <Elirips> hm, I missconfigured a box, now it does
not get an ip..
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2286 [20:42:27] <Elirips> i hoped that i can somehow detect the
169.254 ip it should have, to avoid having to attach a monitor,
keyboard and so on
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2288 [20:42:45] <mutante> Elirips: it's
"pseudo-random" using the MAC address as seed to pick one
specific IP
2289 [20:43:13] <Elirips> mutante: thanks, then I will try to find
it with nmap
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2303 [20:49:43] <hum77> hi, i am running debian lxde on a vbox on
a linux host, after i connect my openvpn, my dns not work right. how
can i tell openvpn to use 127.0.0.1:53, or force it globally so
nothing can change it or use other dns server?
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2305 [20:50:25] <jhutchins_wk> Elirips: If you have access to the
dhcp logs you might be able to find it there.
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2307 [20:51:24] <Elirips> jhutchins_wk: it fails to get a dhcp ip.
something is messed up, i dont have eth0, but enx{....} as hardware
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2309 [20:51:48] <Elirips> and I configured eth0 for a static ip,
what fails, and enx{...} then falls back to some 169.254.x.x
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2313 [20:54:14] <JordiGH> I'm learning Japanese and I'm
wondering, how do I type it?
2314 [20:54:22] <JordiGH> Is there an input method?
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2319 [20:57:18] <imMute> so I'm trying to use clang++ 5.0 and
libc++ on Debian 8, but whenever I try to use std::unordered_map I
get error messages like this:
/usr/include/c++/v1/__hash_table:1169:43: error: conflicting types
for '__hash_table<_Tp, _Hash, _Equal, _Alloc>'
what's going on here?
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2328 [21:00:42] <JordiGH> Aha:
replaced-url
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2336 [21:02:51] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Really weird issue, all the
fonts in save dialogs and menus are really large. Suddenly happened.
Debian 9, install less than two weeks old. Thanks!
2337 [21:02:59] <foul_owl> fluxbox is my wm
2338 [21:03:27] <foul_owl> smplayer, for example, the menu font
seems like size 96 or so, all my applications are unusable
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2342 [21:04:47] <tdn> I see a lot of these messages in the syslog:
2017-10-13T01:00:05.278541+02:00 fer systemd[1]: user@500.service:
Killing process 6936 (kill) with signal SIGKILL.
2343 [21:05:00] <tdn> What causes this? Should I ignore them in my
logwatch filter?
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2347 [21:06:21] <galex-713> jhutchins_wk, shtrb : I know I
can check if my modem rings, and make phones ring, but I don’t
know if I can make/receive phone calls, with sound/etc. and how,
where should I ask? here? debian users? bug report? send the
maintainer a mail? send the dev a mail? modemmanager or
modem-manager-gui?
2348 [21:06:42] <galex-713> also, is there something like
bugreport for feature requests? is it better to contact directly
upstream dev for feature requests?
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2351 [21:07:21] <shtrb> sorry was afk
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2353 [21:07:57] <shtrb> you can report bugs for requests , not all
modems can physically accept calls / make calls
2354 [21:08:07] <shtrb> you can check that with AT commands (check
for minicom )
2355 [21:08:16] <mutante> galex-713: i believe "bug report
for requests" = "enhancement" in the bug report tool
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2358 [21:09:00] <galex-713> shtrb, I can make phone rings and
check if mine rings, does that mean I can?
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2360 [21:09:10] <shtrb> galex-713 , minicom + read about AT
commands + check if your modem have some way to get audio
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2362 [21:09:34] <galex-713> how can I know if my modem have some
way to get audio?
2363 [21:09:48] <shtrb> I do not understand what you mean , if
using software you can create a call and hangup (ATH;) you can make
calls (not meaning you can transfer sound)
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2366 [21:10:16] <shtrb> Google , and checking the modem docs
2367 [21:10:17] <shtrb> sorry
2368 [21:10:33] <galex-713> shtrb, ok, then I can make calls
2369 [21:10:52] <galex-713> shtrb, how do you transfer sound
normally? with which software?
2370 [21:11:00] <galex-713> I’m not (yet) a developer
2371 [21:11:12] <galex-713> not even sure to be able to find my
modem docs, understand and implement them
2372 [21:11:27] <shtrb> galex-713 two cables plugged in
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2374 [21:12:10] <shtrb> Sound card out to modem input and sound
card in to modem out
2375 [21:12:37] <galex-713> you mean I should open the computer?
2376 [21:12:59] <shtrb> if your modem doesn't have that
physical interface , maybe there is software one
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2379 [21:13:23] <shtrb> but I have no idea even what modem you
have, one built in modem I had couldn't make or get calls at
all
2380 [21:13:25] <th0r> I doubt that would work. The modem usually
does not have an audio (analog voice) path internally. You would
have to digitize the voice on the computer and then send it out as
data
2381 [21:13:28] <galex-713> I mean, how do you transfer file
normally on software layer? is there some file in /dev? or when I
make a call my headphones/speaker+micro should automatically do the
stuff (it doesn’t)?
2382 [21:14:13] <galex-713> shtrb, sierra, as I said
2383 [21:14:46] <shtrb> lspci / lsusb etc
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2387 [21:15:37] <shtrb> and !paste
2388 [21:15:39] <galex-713> to be precise, Sierra Wireless Inc
Sierra Wireless MC8355 - Gobi 3000(TM) Module Version:
D3200-STSUGN-1575 1 [Nov 22 2010 9:0:0] Port:cdc-wdm0 Type:GSM
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2391 [21:15:49] <shtrb> now we are talking
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2393 [21:17:11] <galex-713> <galex-713> shtrb, sierra, as I
said
2394 [21:17:11] <galex-713> <galex-713> to be precise,
Sierra Wireless Inc Sierra Wireless MC8355 - Gobi 3000(TM) Module
Version: D3200-STSUGN-1575 1 [Nov 22 2010 9:0:0] Port:cdc-wdm0
Type:GSM
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2396 [21:17:25] <shtrb> seen
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2399 [21:17:52] <galex-713> th0r, do you mean it’s
impossible it would work and my modem probably can only make phones
ring/ring but without transferring any audio?
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2402 [21:18:26] <shtrb> it may support updated features , where
you could just send traffic as RTP (but I could be talking out of my
ass here )
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2405 [21:19:55] <galex-713> shtrb, anyway, is there any place
where I could ask the question to more experienced people?
2406 [21:20:14] <shtrb> debian users would be a good start
2407 [21:20:18] <shtrb> maybe also at ##networking
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2411 [21:22:07] <cVsup> I have two wan interfaces. One is
configured with static ip and the other gets ip by dhcp. in the ip
route rt_table file I have two tables wan1 and wan2. I created a
script inside the dhclient-exit-hooks directory that creates the
routing within these tables, but when I restart the server and it
gets ip by dhcp it removes the entries in these tables.
2412 [21:22:22] <shtrb> I think that's an artificat that you
are able to make calls this device is declared as a DATA device
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2415 [21:22:58] <somiaj> cVsup: what do you use to bring up/down
your interfaces?
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2418 [21:23:26] <aloo_shu> galex-713: android chan may be worth a
try, android is linux based and uses gsm, so loosely related
2419 [21:23:54] <aloo_shu> at least to learn concepts
2420 [21:24:15] <cVsup> somiaj: use debian and configure in
/etc/network/interfaces
2421 [21:24:41] <jhutchins_wk> Is digicert not in the standard CA
stack?
2422 [21:24:57] <jhutchins_wk> I get an error from lynx, but not
from chrome on W10.
2423 [21:25:07] <somiaj> cVsup: if using the interfaces file, why
not just use the post-up script of the interface file to set the
routes over dhclient hooks. This may be more efficent.
2424 [21:25:22] <jhutchins_wk>
replaced-url
2425 [21:25:35] <galex-713> aloo_shu, is that a lot to learn? also
android is a whole different OS, it doesn’t have
network-manager/modemmanager/etc. so the ecosystem being completely
different it might not be that useful I guess :/
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2430 [21:25:59] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: did lynx ever update after
that ssl issue a year or so ago? I don't use lynx, so unsure
about that.
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2435 [21:26:23] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: but here on jessie, I get
an error with that site, SSL error:the certificate has no known
issuer-Continue?
2436 [21:26:25] <cVsup> somiaj: i need dhclient hooks for leases,
reboots etc
2437 [21:26:56] <somiaj> cVsup: sure, but for the routing, it
maybe better to do this with a postup script in the interfaces file
that is run after the interfaces is fully up.
2438 [21:27:26] <cVsup> somiaj: I do not know why it cleans the
table routes
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2441 [21:27:46] <somiaj> cVsup: I'm unsure if the reason it
isn't working after a reboot is some race condition, so
suggesting an alternatve that may work. I don't know dhclient
well enough to say why it isn't working.
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2443 [21:28:16] <aloo_shu> galex-713: my knowledge is also vague,
but it could be a place to find out if whenever you have a gsm modem
connection, you automatically have audio, too, in principle - or
not. To pinpoint *what* it is that is missing.
2444 [21:28:16] <somiaj> cVsup: most likely is doing that to
ensure it gets the routes set correctly from the dhcp response,
though this is only a guess.
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2448 [21:28:51] <galex-713_> ok
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2450 [21:29:23] <kb3ien> I was here about a fortnight ago with
issues related to apt-cd in debian.
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2452 [21:30:04] <cVsup> somiaj: check this
replaced-url
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2457 [21:31:02] <cVsup> somiaj: this happens only if I restart the
server. If running dhclient interface it works normally.
2458 [21:31:18] <kb3ien> apt-get was asking me to insert a CD into
the device that the CD is not installed in. apt-cd was clearly told
the path.
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2460 [21:31:24] <kb3ien> Anyone use apt-cd ?
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2465 [21:31:57] <sleepyhead> hi can you dist upgrade an openvz vps
from 7 to 9 or is that not going to work?
2466 [21:32:12] <shtrb> aloo_shu , having audio channel in the
protocol doesn't mean the modem have that option or expose it
(the device is declared as EVDO (data modem )
2467 [21:32:16] <annadane> kb3ien, do you have internet access
with which to upgrade your machine? if so you don't need the cd
line in your sources list
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2470 [21:32:48] <somiaj> sleepyhead: two issues. One you cannot
upgrade directly from 7 to 9, you have to go through 8. Second in
openvz you are using the host kernel and various other aspects of
the host which may not be compadable with newer versions of debian.
2471 [21:33:04] <shtrb> assuming I checked the correct modem
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2473 [21:33:25] <sleepyhead> somiaj: hmm. ok i guess i'll
have to stick with 7 for now.
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2475 [21:33:35] <sleepyhead> somiaj: how long is 7 supported?
2476 [21:33:43] <somiaj> cVsup: sounds like a race thing. If you
remove the auto eth2 line so it isn't brought up at boot (only
the static one) and then maully bring it up after boto with ifup
eth2, does it work?
2477 [21:33:58] <somiaj> sleepyhead: lts will be supported for
another year I belive.
2478 [21:33:59] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
2479 [21:34:00] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
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2481 [21:34:19] <somiaj> sleepyhead: next summer is when the lts
team will stop providing security support for server side stuff in
wheezy-lts
2482 [21:34:24] <aloo_shu> shtrb ah-ha, learned something. are you
saying galex' device is declared as evdo, or were you giving an
example?
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2484 [21:34:43] <sleepyhead> somiaj: thanks
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2487 [21:35:06] <shtrb> If my google result is correct , his
device is declared as EVDO ( I may be wrong )
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2489 [21:35:46] <kb3ien> annadane, the issue wasn't MY
bandwidth. This is not a normal use-case. I could do a full mirror
if APT-CD isn't really up to snuff.
2490 [21:36:03] <cVsup> somiaj: I'll try
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2492 [21:36:19] <galex-713_> Hi
2493 [21:36:24] <galex-713_> I want to report a bug with reportbug
2494 [21:36:35] <shtrb> reportbug from command line
2495 [21:36:40] <galex-713_> yes
2496 [21:36:46] <somiaj> cVsup: also check if it only works when
you run dhclient, vs ifup, if so there is the issue, at boot ifup -a
(all auto interfaces) is what is run.
2497 [21:36:47] <galex-713_> that bug is that whenever I try to
report a bug with reportbug, I can’t, because it crashes
2498 [21:36:53] <galex-713_> it crashes when I type my password
2499 [21:36:56] <shtrb> lol
2500 [21:36:59] <shtrb> :D
2501 [21:37:00] <galex-713_> because it’s not an ascii
password
2502 [21:37:00] <annadane> oh dear
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2504 [21:37:03] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: Yeah, that's the error
I'm seeing with wget and lynx.
2505 [21:37:04] <galex-713_> so I can’t report the bug
2506 [21:37:11] <shtrb> send an email to BTS
2507 [21:37:15] <galex-713_> Just got a recursive bug
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2509 [21:37:18] <galex-713_> BTS?
2510 [21:37:21] <galex-713_> what mail?
2511 [21:37:22] <jhutchins_wk> somiaj: chrome's fine
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2514 [21:38:14] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: well I notice at least here
in jessie that lynx was last updated before the whole ssl issue that
happened around chrome 53. I wonder if this has something to do with
that?
2515 [21:38:15] <shtrb>
replaced-url
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2517 [21:38:24] <shtrb> galex-713_ ^
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2519 [21:38:39] <galex-713_> also
2520 [21:38:41] <galex-713_> strangely
2521 [21:38:42] <galex-713_> it seems
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2523 [21:38:50] <galex-713_> My ISP blocks port 25
2524 [21:38:56] <galex-713_> I mean, my home, fiber, ISP
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2526 [21:39:02] <galex-713_> But my mobile 3G ISP doesn’t
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2529 [21:39:10] <galex-713_> so I need to use 3G to use reportbug
2530 [21:39:17] <annadane> !enter
2531 [21:39:17] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
2532 [21:39:26] <galex-713_> that kind of 3G connection where DNS
is systematically MITM-ed
2533 [21:39:34] <galex-713_> oh ok sorry, thank you for the notice
2534 [21:39:39] <tw> jhutchins_wk: your CA chain is wrong.
You've still got verisign certs.
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2536 [21:40:03] <aloo_shu> shtrb: I was considering giving
galex-713 the suggestion to install a userland sound server with
dbus connection, like pulseaudio, start new session and see if
he's lucky and the modem shows up as audio device. just doing
alsamixer or the correct alsactl cmd for the same idea just with
alsa.
2537 [21:40:06] <tw> jhutchins_wk: you need to provide the
DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA intermediate. HA EV Root CA
is in debian.
2538 [21:40:15] <jhutchins_wk> Hm. Stretch.
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2542 [21:40:26] <galex-713_> aloo_shu, I already have pulseaudio
2543 [21:40:28] <jhutchins_wk> tw: On the client or the server?
2544 [21:40:34] <tw> Server certificate chain.
2545 [21:40:48] <sleepyhead> galex-713_: you're talking about
port 25 because of you were asked to send an email? can't you
use webmail?
2546 [21:40:53] <shtrb> galex-713_ , if that is anything like FREE
you can update /etc/resolv.conf or force some lovly DNS server
2547 [21:41:04] <somiaj> galex-713_: please don't hit enter
so much. Type in full sentences and complete thoughts.
2548 [21:41:06] <shtrb> but it will not solve portal redirect if
there are any
2549 [21:41:13] <jhutchins_wk> tw: I wonder why that isn't
part of RedHat's standard CA set.
2550 [21:41:25] <shtrb> aloo_shu , nice and excelent idea
2551 [21:41:36] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Also, why is Chrome ok with it?
2552 [21:41:53] <tw> Chrome probably ships with a bunch of stapled
intermediates.
2553 [21:42:02] <shtrb> As for port 25 , you have 587 (if you have
a smarthost)
2554 [21:42:10] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Firefox is good too.
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2558 [21:43:01] <galex-713__> <galex-713_> sleepyhead, erm,
first there’s the port 587 to send mail when the port 25 is
closed
2559 [21:43:01] <galex-713__> <galex-713_> then it’s
reportbug that send a mail
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2563 [21:43:42] <galex-713__> and even then, horde5 is not
maintained anymore, roundcube stays heavy and not that complete and
not that configurable and is a whole crap of horrible php and
javascript, while my prefered user-agent is emacs and works really
well
2564 [21:43:58] <shtrb> galex-713__ , you can use dhcp3 config to
prevent or to seed first DNS server
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2566 [21:44:17] <galex-713__> shtrb, no, it’s not a lyer
DNS, it’s a MITM DNS
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2568 [21:44:32] <galex-713__> If I use 8.8.8.8 as a DNS for
example, the answer won’t come from Google but from my ISP
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2570 [21:44:52] <galex-713__> They use DPI to identify anything
looking like DNS, intercepting it, and relaying that to *their*
censored DNS servers
2571 [21:45:04] <galex-713__> so you have to use a VPN, DNSCrypt
or Tor
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2575 [21:46:02] <shtrb> which operator ?
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2577 [21:46:21] <galex-713__> Bouygue Telecom do that in France
2578 [21:46:29] <galex-713__> maybe SFR too
2579 [21:46:33] <galex-713__> or I forgot
2580 [21:46:35] <tw> jhutchins_wk:
replaced-url
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2582 [21:47:10] <kb3ien> Is there a use for a DNS server on a
non-standard port? I could add one, if it helps you.
2583 [21:47:16] <tw> I failed at copypaste, it's missing the
3 in 443
2584 [21:47:38] <kb3ien> you'd have to packet mangle to get
your machine to use it normally.
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2586 [21:48:05] <shtrb> there was a regular at #debian-offtopic
that provided free shells some time ago
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2590 [21:48:28] <aloo_shu> xshellz for that
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2592 [21:48:36] <aloo_shu> have a chan
2593 [21:49:01] <aloo_shu> mainly for bnc, but free for sure
2594 [21:49:06] <shtrb> galex-713__ , there was a regular at
#debian-offtopic that provided free shells and I think allowed
normal ssh tunneling
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2601 [21:51:15] <galex-713__> shtrb, I don’t want to give my
server password to strangers :P
2602 [21:51:33] <galex-713__> I mean, to enter my smtp server
password (which is my server password) on a shell on a remote server
given by a stranger
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2605 [21:51:56] <shtrb> reportbug does not need your password
2606 [21:51:56] <galex-713__> oh actually even on a friend’s
shell I wouldn’t
2607 [21:51:57] <shtrb> I thin k
2608 [21:52:06] <galex-713__> of course, to pass through your smtp
server
2609 [21:52:15] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Thanks.
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2611 [21:52:32] <tw> np
2612 [21:52:32] <nkuttler> reportbug can just write to a file
2613 [21:52:42] <galex-713__> otherwise it wouldn’t respect
spf, be dkim-signed, come from port 25, be re-sent in case of server
down-time, etc. and could pass as spam or not arrive at all
2614 [21:52:52] <shtrb> galex-713__ , there had been a few DIAL UP
servers accross less restrictive places in the EU
2615 [21:52:57] <galex-713__> reportbug asked me my mail and my
smtp password
2616 [21:53:08] <galex-713__> shtrb, what do you mean?
2617 [21:53:15] <galex-713__> nkuttler, well it did more with me
2618 [21:53:22] <galex-713__> maybe *yours* only write to a file
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2621 [21:53:47] <shtrb> you can get a free dial up internet , I
know people in Egypt used when there was Internet crackdown few
years ago
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2624 [21:54:58] <galex-713__> oh wait bugreport DOES support using
gnus to send bugreports :D
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2628 [21:55:10] <galex-713__> shtrb, why would I need it?
2629 [21:55:19] <shtrb> to avoid this crazy MITM
2630 [21:55:27] * aloo_shu is getting curious
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2632 [21:55:38] <mutante> galex-713__: see the part "Even if
you don't have a local MTA" on
replaced-url
2633 [21:55:48] <galex-713__> Actually most stuff do work, I
already own a VPN (just didn’t find out how to make openvpn
work with network-manager), and the home connection is fine
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2635 [21:55:58] <galex-713__> mutante, oh thank you
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2638 [21:56:56] <shtrb> Also you may be able to report a bug over
ftp
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2640 [21:57:24] <shtrb> Ignore that I missread the doc
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2642 [21:58:11] <rant> galex-713__: no reportbug asks you all
those questions first time you run it for initial config, but at the
end of the wizard it gives you options of what you want to do with
the report
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2644 [21:58:55] <rant> galex-713__: those questions to create a
config file are not part of the actual reporting a bug wizard
process, its just pre-config so that the email and such features
will work
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2646 [21:58:59] <aloo_shu> shrtb I can see myself soldering a
phone plug to audio jack cable to plug my laptop into my phone and
do dialup just as a proof of concept
2647 [21:59:13] <galex-713__> rant, it asks me after filling the
bug
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2651 [22:00:31] <rant> galex-713__: hmm.. well idk what
you're using but I am designing a new support client, and I
literally just not only went over all the reportbug code yesterday,
but ran it and at the end it shows a list of buttons for you to save
to a file, edit report, email, etc..
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2655 [22:02:32] <galex-713__> rant, yeah but I think *I* probably
selected the mail-sending option
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2657 [22:02:41] <somiaj> many isp's won't let you send
mail from your machine unless you go through their smtp server.
Sometimes just sending an email is the best way to report a bug. I
sometimes as rant says get report bug to get all the dependency and
version output for the bug, the copy/paste it into an email to send.
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2659 [22:02:56] <aloo_shu> say he/she picked email but didn't
complete, would reportbug try to pick it up where it was left when
run next time?
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2662 [22:03:32] <greycat> far as I know, you have to tell
reportbug to save your report in a file.
2663 [22:03:47] <galex-713__> somiaj, I think currently that
option is the best for me
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2665 [22:03:59] <galex-713__> yet my isp don’t require that
for sending mails
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2669 [22:04:34] <shtrb> I think my reportbug just went systemd ,
it doesn't show what I write when I need to choose options :-(
2670 [22:04:35] <galex-713__> there’s Orange (the ex-State
owned ISP, who still owns all the cables) who do that in France, but
they are horrible and less and less people accept them (also they
cut bittorrent sometimes)
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2673 [22:04:55] <galex-713__> I’ll do that, use the file
option
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2675 [22:05:16] <Exagone313> Hi, does Debian supports 32-bit x86
without PAE systems?
2676 [22:05:26] <galex-713__> and reportbug about
modem-manager-gui, gnus and reportbug
2677 [22:05:36] <galex-713__> maybe some else package
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2687 [22:07:05] <shtrb> speaking of reportbug , how does it really
send an email using your original email ? smtphost
reportbug.debian.org
2688 [22:07:06] <somiaj> Exagone313: what do you mean? You just
want a non pae kernel for i386?
2689 [22:07:15] <Exagone313> yes
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2696 [22:08:50] <somiaj> Exagone313: the linux-image-686 vs
linux-image-686-pae, my understanding is only the second includes
the pae options compiled in.
2697 [22:09:16] <somiaj> though the installer may come with the
pae one, and you'll have to install the other.
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2700 [22:10:20] <Exagone313> and is it possible to boot netinst or
other isos on such system? been a while since I have installed a
distro from usb (I use deboostrap or such each time)
2701 [22:10:23] <Exagone313> hmm
2702 [22:10:38] <somiaj> I'm unsure what kernel the
netintsall includes by default.
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2705 [22:11:15] <somiaj> but for some reason I think the pae is
default since it is quite common for modern systems to have that
much memory.
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2707 [22:11:47] <Exagone313> It was for a friend, but he could
boot another distro with the forcepae kernel flag
2708 [22:11:56] <Exagone313> he just got an old computer
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2711 [22:12:05] <somiaj> Exagone313: and it failes on pae?
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2716 [22:12:38] <somiaj> Exagone313: one *could* manually install
with debootstrap. But I'm surprised the installer doesn't
work on older systems. Might want to look at debian-installer bugs
if this is the case.
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2723 [22:16:16] <koollman> Exagone313: how old is 'old'?
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2725 [22:17:10] <jhutchins_wk> tw: Thanks for the help.
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2729 [22:19:02] <tw> All fixed? I honestly have no clue why ff and
chrome were allowing your cert. They must just have bigger built in
chains.
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2733 [22:21:21] <Exagone313> 13 years old
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2736 [22:24:39] <Exagone313> apparently its CPU supports PAE but
has a bug, it does not report the feature and forcepae is needed
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2740 [22:25:22] <greycat> Computers that are old enough to have a
bar mitzvah are always suspicious.
2741 [22:25:24] <somiaj> Exagone313: this is to get pae to work? I
guess I don't understand your issue, I thoguht the issue was
the pae kernels didn't work?
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2743 [22:26:18] <foul_owl> Hi folks. All the fonts in menus and
save dialogs and such in x.org applications is very large, maybe 96
point font. smplayer menu, chromium save dialog, etc, etc. wm is
fluxbox. two week old install of debian 9. Thanks!
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2748 [22:27:43] <Exagone313> I don't have an issue, I just
wanted to know if it was possible to install debian, it's okay
now
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2760 [22:32:42] <somiaj> Exagone313: Proivded it is a pentium
machine it is, debian dropped support for 486 and 386 hardware.
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2762 [22:32:53] <somiaj> (well it should be)
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2764 [22:33:01] <Exagone313> it is
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2801 [22:42:54] <n4dir> pentium is always 486 or 386? And when did
debian drop the support for those?
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2804 [22:43:11] <sleepyhead> n4dir: 686
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2808 [22:44:00] <n4dir> sleepyhead: thanks. I do know i often have
pentium machines. I could easily install debian on it, but it's
a while ago (sure before the actual stable, probably even before the
actual old-stable)
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2810 [22:44:44] <sleepyhead> n4dir: wait are you serious? pentium
machines will be very slow. very very slow. are you a masochist by
chance?
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2815 [22:45:12] <n4dir> i take what i get for free
2816 [22:45:22] <tw> I'm pretty sure I've had staplers
with more compute power than an original pentium (586).
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2818 [22:46:30] <sleepyhead> n4dir: what are you trying to do with
these machines? are they seriously pentium 1s?
2819 [22:46:53] <sleepyhead> tw: pentium was 686
2820 [22:47:11] <n4dir> jesus, i don't know from the top of
my head.
2821 [22:47:13] <tw> pentium pro and pentium 2 are 686;
that's mmx.
2822 [22:47:46] <somiaj> n4dir: I think the pentium I's were
586, and then everything newer is all in the 686 faimly. I think 386
support was dropped in the release before wheeyz, and jessie dropped
486 support.
2823 [22:47:55] <sleepyhead> pentium was 686
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2825 [22:48:11] <greycat> The original pentium was the 80586.
2826 [22:48:20] <somiaj> there was a 586 step, I don't recall
any 586 processors, but my memory could be fuzzy.
2827 [22:48:26] <greycat> Pentium Pro is the first '686 I
believe.
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2829 [22:48:37] <somiaj> I'm with greycat I thought the first
pentimum was a 586, but soon they were jumped to 686
2830 [22:48:38] <n4dir> next time i will try to install debian on
one of those, i will find out ...
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2836 [22:50:11] <n4dir> i will yet have to run into a machine on
which i can't install debian though.
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2839 [22:50:42] <somiaj> n4dir: 386/486 are like early 90s
machines, they might be considered dinasours, not just old.
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2841 [22:50:50] <somiaj> well end of 80s early 90s
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2843 [22:51:11] <sleepyhead> my bad pentium was 586. pentium pro
and pentium II were 686
2844 [22:51:14] <somiaj> debian should run on 586 and newer,
though the DE may be quite painful to use.
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2846 [22:51:23] <n4dir> somiaj: nah, they weren't that old.
sure later than 2000
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2848 [22:51:42] <n4dir> the biggest problem was always the
webbrowser. or rather: is.
2849 [22:52:03] <n4dir> tried netsurf and dillo. They do the job,
but it sure ain't much fun
2850 [22:52:05] <greycat> "has always been"
2851 [22:52:12] <n4dir> thank you, sir.
2852 [22:52:16] <tw> the biggest problem is that burning a CD
would fail if you opened any other program because IO sucks on
anything that old.
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2856 [22:52:56] <n4dir> I had a laptop with 64 MB of Ram. Jesus,
that was a pain. Glad it died.
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2861 [22:54:13] <tw> here, I have made a picture to illustrate my
stapler vs 586 cpu comparison:
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2862 [22:54:36] <greycat> I had a mail server with 64 MB of RAM.
Couldn't run the default jessie kernel; should have left it on
wheezy. Glad it finally died.
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2864 [22:55:29] <sleepyhead> it went old and grey and died
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2866 [22:55:56] <greycat> I think the plastic case was noticeably
yellowing.
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2869 [22:56:13] <n4dir> sleepyhead: to answer your question. Most
of the time i use those machines a) to test if i can install
anything on them and b) to backup data there.
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2873 [22:56:41] <sleepyhead> n4dir: c) to get off on the pain of
it all coz you're a masochist.
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2875 [22:57:09] <n4dir> :-)
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2878 [22:58:07] <n4dir> as far pain is concerned i can recommend
ppc. That can really be annoying.
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2921 [23:14:22] <lungaro> so dpkg-scanpackages is really slow on
large repos, for dev repos which are updated often, is there a tool
which caches the previously generated bits?
2922 [23:14:25] <foul_owl> I have a Pentium 1 100mhtz running
debian 4, git, ssh, vim, etc
2923 [23:14:40] <foul_owl> Runs quake in svgalib at 20 fps without
x.org
2924 [23:14:41] <dTal> foul_owl: go on...
2925 [23:14:47] <lungaro> i really dont feel like writing one, but
i dunno what to even look for
2926 [23:14:53] <foul_owl> Got it in 2008 for $5
2927 [23:15:01] <foul_owl> Still runs great XD
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2929 [23:15:33] <foul_owl> I can do useful work on it. I
wouldn't discount older systems. A lot of people are on
extremely tight budgets. If someone can get a useable system for
free, more power to em
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2931 [23:15:56] <foul_owl> In my case though, I just like vintage
computers haha
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2933 [23:16:15] <dTal> your computer is too new
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2935 [23:16:48] <dTal> my favorite computer has a 13 Mhz m68k
2936 [23:17:01] <annadane> !chat
2937 [23:17:02] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows
on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2938 [23:17:11] <dTal> !rot13 chat
2939 [23:17:11] <dpkg> pung
2940 [23:17:14] <dTal> snerk
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2954 [23:20:49] <foul_owl> Sorry
2955 [23:21:07] <nyaomi> while on the "select and install
software" phase of installation, is it safe to lose internet
access while moving through "preparing" and
"configuring" each package?
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2957 [23:23:46] <n4dir> wild guessing: that step of installation
will fail, you will get the info and the proposal to go back one
step (that is: go through exactly that procedure again).
2958 [23:24:48] <n4dir> i would make sure to not lose internet
connection anyway.
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2962 [23:26:06] <nyaomi> aren't packages already downloaded
by that point though?
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2964 [23:27:40] <n4dir> well possible, i don't know
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2966 [23:28:36] <n4dir> it might be an idea to only choose the
basics during taskel (that is: no Destkop Environment), to get
quickly through it. I for one prefer such problems after the
installation.
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2972 [23:29:51] <nyaomi> i'm installing to usb2 and it's
taking much, much longer than i anticipated ;-;
2973 [23:30:06] <nyaomi> almost 3 hours for base + lxde
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2981 [23:31:00] <jhutchin1_wk> nyaomi: Yeah, you can fix the
install after it ends, either from within if it will boot (aptitude
-f install), or in a chroot from a live/rescue image.
2982 [23:31:33] <jhutchin1_wk> nyaomi: If you're installing
to a flash drive, you're going to find it painfully slow.
It's better to use a live image, theyr'e optimised for the
slow speed.
2983 [23:32:11] <n4dir> 3 hours sounds still a lot though.
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2986 [23:32:42] <jhutchin1_wk> n4dir: USB2 is slow, especially on
Linux for some reason.
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2989 [23:33:07] <n4dir> I did install on a USB-stick. I don't
recall it took that long. But it's a while ago.
2990 [23:33:09] <jhutchin1_wk> n4dir: For an install, you're
doing lots of discrete disk operations.
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2992 [23:33:26] <n4dir> sure took way longer than usual, of
course.
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2994 [23:34:07] <n4dir> but if you say 3 hours don't surprise
you, then all is fine
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2999 [23:36:36] <nyaomi> jhutchin1_wk: would you expect an install
to fail if internet access is lost at this phase though?
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3018 [23:43:33] <nyaomi> looks like it's doing OK so far,
we'll see
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3045 [23:52:55] <gumbee> just wondering if you any of you linux
enthusiasts might know the answer to this, but why does it take
installing an app to get root access to an android phone?
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