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25[00:10:25] <SkyBlooD> h
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45[00:21:34] <hmuller> does rescue mode work on an encrypted root system?
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49[00:22:22] <jpw> hmuller: yes provided the dm_crypt kernel mod is loaded
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52[00:23:59] <hmuller> jpw: thanks, I must have done something silly like run update-passwd in the wrong terminal
53[00:24:08] <rudi_s> And assuming you know the password of the LUKS device.
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56[00:26:29] <hmuller> rudi_s: indeed I do
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58[00:26:41] <Keitaro> is anyone here had already configure a mda server with dovecot plz ?
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60[00:26:51] <manuelschneid3r> Hi folks
61[00:27:05] <manuelschneid3r> is there a way to get the aliases in bash programmatically
62[00:27:12] <jpw> Keitaro: mta?
63[00:27:20] <manuelschneid3r> is there something like a libbash?
64[00:27:26] <manuelschneid3r> context is c++
65[00:27:35] <Keitaro> mail delivery agent jpw
66[00:27:49] <Keitaro> i got a problem with my dovecot configuration :/
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68[00:28:02] <missmbob> manuelschneid3r: #bash
69[00:28:03] <manuelschneid3r> hmm I should rephrase this: Is there a way to get the bash aliases programmatically using c/c++
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75[00:29:34] <jpw> Keitaro: dovecot has its own mda what are you trying to deliver to?
76[00:29:38] <manuelschneid3r> ty missmbob
77[00:30:19] <Keitaro> jpw, i am trying to configure a mail server MDA (dovecot) and MTA (postfix)
78[00:30:37] <Keitaro> when i send a mail on the postfix server using the mail command it work well
79[00:30:37] <Brigo> manuelschneid3r, i think they are in the environment, if you can access it you could.
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81[00:30:58] <Keitaro> but i don't know why i can't start my dovecot server
82[00:31:07] <Keitaro> when i do service dovecot start it said :
83[00:31:09] <rudi_s> Brigo: They are not.
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85[00:31:22] <Keitaro> Starting Dovecot IMAP/POP3 email server...
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87[00:31:30] <Keitaro> Started Dovecot IMAP/POP3 email server.
88[00:31:30] <rudi_s> manuelschneid3r: It's difficult, because you'd have to parse bash shell (all startup files) which is not easy when you're not a shell.
89[00:31:36] <rudi_s> But why would you do something like that?
90[00:31:38] <Brigo> rudi_s, you are right
91[00:31:41] <Keitaro> master: Fatal: service(auth) User doesn't exist: postfix (See service auth { unix_listener /var/spool/pos... settin
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95[00:32:10] <Brigo> manuelschneid3r, check the man pages, getaliasbyname, for example could work for you
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100[00:33:10] <manuelschneid3r> rudi_s, want to build a launcher with a terminal/shell plugin
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108[00:34:56] <rudi_s> Brigo: ?
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111[00:35:32] <Brigo> rudi_s, is a c library, i think is what manuelschneid3r is looking for.
112[00:35:43] <rudi_s> manuelschneid3r: And for that you want to resolve aliases as well? Then ask the shell to give them to you.
113[00:35:49] <TomTomTosch> Brigo: it has nothing to do with bash aliases.
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116[00:36:09] <rudi_s> And parsing anything shell in C is wrong and won't work.
117[00:36:24] <Brigo> TomTomTosch, The quiestion was: Is there a way to get the bash aliases programmatically using c/c++?
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119[00:36:53] <TomTomTosch> exactly
120[00:37:08] <rudi_s> manuelschneid3r: bash -i -c 'alias' and parse that output. I don't think it's a good idea to do that, but if you really want to handle aliases, I think the best way.
121[00:37:08] <Brigo> then i am missing something
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127[00:40:55] <TomTomTosch> Brigo: your answer has nothing to do with finding bash aliases. that's a function to query mail aliases.
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131[00:42:14] <Brigo> TomTomTosch, ok, i see now i was completely wrong, sorry dudes! :)
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135[00:45:43] <g0zzy> Is there a who for desktop
136[00:46:10] <g0zzy> Maybe tricky because of non-standardization?
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196[01:13:54] <journal> hi im running jessie and need a gui util for selecting my audio output for a bluetooth headset
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200[01:14:20] <journal> any suggestions?
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202[01:14:35] <Plushwolf> journal: pavucontrol
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206[01:15:02] <missmbob> you might have to install it
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208[01:15:30] <journal> na got it lol, thanks much i thought that was on ubuntu it was hidden
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213[01:16:46] <journal> it doesnt show my headset though maybe im missing a bluez utill
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221[01:19:58] <journal> looks like bluez-tools is what im after.. yep indeed thank you guys
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356[03:02:39] <mww113> Hello all. I just installed Debian on my 2012 MacBook pro and so far so good. I installed the firmware-b43-installer package to get my wifi card to work, but it's only seeing 2.4ghz networks. I'd like to use my 5ghz network if possible. Any suggestions?
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361[03:07:19] <mww113> I'm thinking it may be just a shitty outdated driver but I don't know if there's anything else I can do
362[03:13:41] <somiaj> the b43 driver is just poor. I'm unsure if a newer kernel would help with that
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364[03:13:56] <mww113> gotcha
365[03:14:22] <somiaj> I just found this, replaced-url
366[03:14:29] <somiaj> which mentions a kernel just newer than jessie
367[03:14:29] <mww113> I'm using whatever kernal comes with the stretch RC2
368[03:14:31] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
369[03:14:31] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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371[03:14:53] <somiaj> mww113: oh you have stretch, in this case it isn't a kernel issue, you'll have 4.9 which is fairly new in kernel evolution.
372[03:15:00] <somiaj> you can double check you have 4.9 with uname -a
373[03:15:06] <mww113> yeah that's what I was thinking...
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375[03:15:24] <mww113> yeah it's 4.9
376[03:16:02] <somiaj> I see some comments on that page I linked about making sure to set the mode to not be mixed, but I don't know any tricks, so I have no more suggestions
377[03:16:19] <mww113> okay I'll take a look at it. thank you
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391[03:23:52] <eb0t> hey
392[03:24:03] <eb0t> when it says use man page xyz(5)
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394[03:24:10] <eb0t> how do i get that (5)
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396[03:25:23] <dTal> man 5 xyz
397[03:25:30] <eb0t> ah thanks so much
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448[04:16:25] <mww113> In case anyone is interested I found that installing the broadcom-sta-common/source/dkms packages along with kernel headers seemed to resolve the issue
449[04:16:38] <mww113> I will update the debian wiki documentation in case anyone else runs into this
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453[04:21:43] <mww113> actually I can't create a wiki account :(
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457[04:24:02] <somiaj> yea I ran into that too...you'll have to email someone and wait.
458[04:24:17] <mww113> i sent the email
459[04:24:20] <somiaj> anyways is broadcom-sta-common still a staging driver? I almost wonder if it got put into the main kernel yet.
460[04:24:37] <mww113> doesn't seem to be staging. it's in the jessie repo
461[04:25:49] <mww113> but it's non-free so I doubt it'll ever be put into the kernel
462[04:26:26] <somiaj> ahh, I just saw 'sta' which I see for staging drivers that usually get put in the kernel at a later date, but yea if it is non-free this is another story.
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466[04:28:23] <mww113> someone on stackexchange seems to think it stands for station for some reason
467[04:28:26] <mww113> replaced-url
468[04:28:32] <mww113> but yeah I'm pretty sure it's not stagin
469[04:28:34] <mww113> *staging
470[04:29:13] <mww113> too bad it's not on the wiki though, had to do some digging to find that
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472[04:30:21] <somiaj> thanks for wanting to update it. HOpefully you get a response and a wiki account soon.
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474[04:32:03] <mww113> yeah I'd like to do it while it's still on my mind but we'll see
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507[04:50:48] <history> I have a problem. I had installed debian on my macbook. Then I reinstalled macOS Sierra on it. This has caused my macbook to boot directly into macOS. I am unable to see grub, and therefore enter debian. Can someone help me?
508[04:51:04] <somiaj> !fixmbr
509[04:51:04] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
510[04:51:25] <somiaj> history: that is roughtly what it is, note macbooks I think are efi, so you need to use an efi live image.
511[04:51:55] <somiaj> history: also do you know if you can have more than one efi file on the mac efi partition? If so maybe the firmware can be configured to boot from the grub efi file that may be still on your efi partition.
512[04:52:07] <history> i dont have the debian disk, only gparted. Can I do it with that?
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516[04:54:41] <somiaj> no, you need to be running from a linux kernel live image
517[04:55:31] <history> oh ok, thanks somiaj; i'll give your advice a go.
518[04:56:25] <somiaj> first I would see if you can just point the firmware at the existing debian grub efi file if it is there. I don't know macbooks well enough to have more more advice than jsut general
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545[05:20:15] <Apostle> hello
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548[05:20:35] <Apostle> I am trying to install Debian Jessie on a ASUS E403SA-US21
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550[05:20:47] <Apostle> should I give up on this? is it even possible?
551[05:20:59] <Apostle> my current problem is that Debian Jessie does not see the hard drive
552[05:21:11] <Apostle> I have checked in the BIOS
553[05:21:30] <Apostle> I don't see it there either
554[05:21:38] <Apostle> arg
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558[05:23:07] <missmbob> Apostle: that looks like one of those fancy m.2
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560[05:23:52] <Apostle> ?
561[05:23:59] <Apostle> UEFI issue maybe?
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563[05:24:10] <Apostle> the vendors are making it harder to install linux arg
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565[05:24:15] <missmbob> Apostle: m.2 is an sata ssd type
566[05:24:20] <Apostle> oh
567[05:24:26] <Apostle> any solution
568[05:24:30] <Apostle> driver missing maybe
569[05:24:44] <somiaj> so you can boot say windows from it, even though the firmware doens't see the harddrive?
570[05:24:46] <missmbob> Apostle: i think you'll have to use the stretch iso here: replaced-url
571[05:24:46] <Apostle> maybe I need debian jessie installer
572[05:24:56] <a6576171> Hey, how do I set the headphones and not the speakers as my default output, since they are in the same "sink"?
573[05:24:59] <Apostle> yes
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575[05:25:07] <Apostle> let me try that
576[05:25:10] <Apostle> thanks
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611[05:54:10] <Apostle> missmbob, thanks
612[05:54:11] <Apostle> progress
613[05:54:13] <Apostle> :)
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673[06:56:01] <efloid> about to do a dist-upgrade on my server. the calculated upgrade looks really good - no major changes/removals of installed packages.
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675[06:56:16] <efloid> upgrade from jessie to stretch
676[06:56:55] <missmbob> your server doesnt need security updates?
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679[06:58:40] <efloid> missmbob: i have replaced-url
680[06:59:30] <missmbob> efloid: doesnt matter. stretch currently has no security system in place right now. not 'til *just* it's about to be released. not now. not really close
681[06:59:38] <efloid> is stretch not being updated with ... oh....
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683[06:59:46] <missmbob> nope.
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685[07:00:18] <efloid> well no hurry then. yes security updates of course critical :-)
686[07:00:49] <efloid> thank you
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693[07:01:42] <somiaj> in special cases the secuirty repo is used for testing, but this is rare, sometimes a security push is rushed through sid (though this now requires an exception).
694[07:02:18] <efloid> that's one reason i don't trust dotdeb repo either. have no idea what or even if there is a security update policy
695[07:02:37] <missmbob> dotdeb is awful anyway. dont use them :P
696[07:02:48] <somiaj> anyways, I've only seen very critical security updates get elevated to do this, most of them you'll have to wait longer than you probabaly want to on a server.
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745[07:42:46] <jaami> hi there, i need link for debian iso to burn it on usb , can someone give me the link for dvd?
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747[07:43:14] <jaami> i need that for intel 64bit
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749[07:46:43] <towo^work> replaced-url
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751[07:47:36] <awal1> replaced-url
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753[07:48:46] <awal1> jaami: ^
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777[08:02:00] <jaami> where to get link for debian , intel64bit dvd?
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780[08:03:28] <jaami> please dont give me the official debian page link
781[08:03:49] <jaami> i need the link that you have
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783[08:04:26] <awal1> amd64 = 64bit
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804[08:19:48] <jaami> hi, there can i get link for debian dvd 64bit for intel64? i dont want the official debian link. i need the one you have?
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806[08:20:51] <towo^work> want trolling?
807[08:21:14] <jaami> trolling?
808[08:21:28] <towo^work> you have gotten 2 links
809[08:21:33] <jaami> what do you mean
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811[08:21:36] <towo^work> what's your problem with it?
812[08:21:48] <towo^work> [07:45:54] <towo^work> replaced-url
813[08:21:55] <towo^work> [07:46:48] <awal1> replaced-url
814[08:22:30] <jaami> oh, the official debian link does not give me solid iso
815[08:22:50] <bolt> iso's are image files, not physical disks
816[08:22:59] <bolt> they'll never be solid
817[08:23:04] <jaami> i used jigdo that always end with error
818[08:23:20] <bolt> so either figure out how to use jigdo, or don't use it
819[08:23:26] <jaami> i mean, not the physical disk.
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821[08:24:06] <jaami> i figured it out how to use it. two times it failed
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823[08:24:22] <bolt> replaced-url
824[08:24:27] <bolt> the dvd image doesn't get more solid than that
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826[08:24:56] <jaami> it wont work bolt , please try to understand
827[08:25:21] <bolt> why won't it work?
828[08:25:29] <jaami> you know why jigdo is important
829[08:26:06] <bolt> no
830[08:26:11] <jaami> i downloaded from the same link 2 times, it was not working with rufus, unetbootin, win32diskimage etc
831[08:26:37] <bolt> how was it not working?
832[08:26:42] <jaami> it wont work unless i get it from someone or the jigdo work for me
833[08:26:58] <bolt> yes it will
834[08:27:04] <jaami> the usb when boot always crash or send me to grub promt
835[08:27:12] <borsin> perhaps the person is looking for a physical copy
836[08:27:36] <jaami> no dear, i want to download and i need link from someone
837[08:27:45] <bolt> jaami: you don't
838[08:27:51] <jaami> i used download manger but it wont help
839[08:27:57] <jaami> reall, ?
840[08:28:06] <bolt> then don't use a download manager
841[08:28:09] <bolt> get another usb key
842[08:28:15] <bolt> or figure out what your error message is
843[08:28:20] <bolt> it probably means something
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845[08:28:33] <bolt> make sure your machine can successfully boot other things from usb
846[08:28:35] <jaami> another usb key? i bought it yesterday, brand new
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848[08:28:58] <bolt> doesn't mean it's bootable
849[08:29:01] <bolt> look at your error message
850[08:29:05] <bolt> might mean something
851[08:29:07] <jaami> hmm, that is good point
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856[08:30:04] <jaami> i have 2 laptops, either one should be good, but the usb when made bootable was not good for both
857[08:30:29] <jaami> i dont think its laptop or usb
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860[08:31:38] <jaami> i remeber when first time i installed debian and it took me days. someoen helped me with correct debian iso
861[08:31:56] <jaami> then i was able to intall it
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865[08:33:42] <jaami> please let me have the link. this will save time. cannot waste another day. i have to do many things.
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867[08:35:03] <towo^work> replaced-url
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870[08:36:10] <jaami> ok i can try that netinst.iso but again i will have to use something like rufus , or win32diskimage
871[08:36:33] <jaami> hope it will work
872[08:36:49] <towo^work> rufus will never work
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876[08:37:08] <jaami> win32diskimage?
877[08:38:00] <awal1> people recommend it usually yeah
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884[08:38:53] <jaami> alright, i
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886[08:38:58] <jaami> try
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891[08:40:31] <awal1> dpkg: win32diskimager
892[08:40:31] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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895[08:41:10] <jaami> got it last night from sf.
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899[08:43:06] <slax0r> hi, is it possible to make some sort of a snapshot of the system without too much hassle before an upgrade, that can easily be rolled back to if things go south afterwards?
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908[08:45:51] <borsin> slax0r: lvm and snapshot should do it
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911[08:46:22] <slax0r> or, lets try a different approach, I need to install vagrant in version at least 1.8, which is not available in jessie nor jessie-backports, only available satisfying package is in stretch and sid, but trying to install from stretch it pulls in a long list of deps, I don't feel really comfortable with pulling all upgraded packages in, especially since I'm using a backports kernel
912[08:46:34] <slax0r> would it be better to just download a .deb package from vagrant directly and install it?
913[08:46:45] <slax0r> borsin: yeah, totally should have used lvm when installing this machine
914[08:47:00] <jelly> slax0r: don't mix packages for stretch into jessie, that way lies pain and suffering
915[08:47:25] <slax0r> a path to the dark side that is?
916[08:47:40] <slax0r> sorry, sensed a bit of yoda in your statement ;)
917[08:47:57] <jelly> slax0r: either install stretch completely, keeping in mind it still testing is,
918[08:48:25] <jelly> slax0r: or packages from upstream use IF they built for jessie are
919[08:48:58] <slax0r> don't want to install stretch just yet, only so I can prepare a couple of vagrant scripts for people too lazy to switch from windows
920[08:49:15] <slax0r> I guess I'll try and install vagrant .deb directly from their site, and hope for the best
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926[08:54:19] <Matt|home> hi. having a MASSIVE assload of trouble getting apt to work, im trying to get a command-line program to burn an ISO image to a DVD i have. what is the easiest way to do this via commandline, since dd evidently doesn't work according to forums?
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934[08:59:28] <pragomer_1> hi. i had a bash alias like
935[08:59:35] <pragomer_1> alias mycrypt="/usr/bin/gpg --passphrase MYPASS -c"
936[08:59:46] <pragomer_1> that did encrypt a file without interaction.. symmetric with my passphrase.
937[08:59:59] <pragomer_1> but since debian9 it get asked for password in any case
938[09:00:42] <jpw> Matt|home: woodim
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941[09:02:33] <styler2go> Does someone know about a web-ui to configure network settings on linux?
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945[09:04:40] <jpw> styler2go: How do you plan to connect to this web UI if the netork is not configured
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948[09:05:08] <styler2go> jpw: localhost
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950[09:06:12] <jpw> styler2go: theres only one that i know of whos name shall not be mentioned
951[09:06:29] <styler2go> whisper it to me
952[09:06:42] <styler2go> noone needs to know *hurrhurr*
953[09:07:04] <jpw> dpkg: tell styler2go about webmin
954[09:07:33] <styler2go> lol
955[09:07:37] <styler2go> I love the explanation
956[09:07:53] <styler2go> I'll check it out, thanks!
957[09:08:06] <jpw> its your funeral :)
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959[09:08:27] <styler2go> Who'll pay for my gravestone tho
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966[09:16:03] <jpw> styler2go: I'll reiterate, i highly discourage its use. Please do some more research before you go installing it.
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969[09:16:40] <styler2go> jpw: If i use it it's only for network configuration and i would block any other feature
970[09:17:05] <styler2go> And if it's really that bad i will just write my own web frontend
971[09:17:19] <jpw> or, you know use puppet or something
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973[09:17:47] <styler2go> dpkg: tell me about puppet
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975[09:18:21] <styler2go> is puppet something like ansible?
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978[09:19:24] <jpw> yeah but it (imo) is better for ongoing management of a system
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981[09:20:25] <jpw> it can run in one-shot mode to consifgure basically anything, or run as a daemon receiving configuration from a puppet master
982[09:20:53] <styler2go> i never worked with ansible or similar but we use it in our company and i totally hate it :/
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984[09:21:14] <jpw> you quickly find yourself in ssh-key hell
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986[09:22:52] <jpw> we use it interna;;y for managing ~20,000 servers
987[09:23:02] <jpw> this exact module replaced-url
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991[09:27:31] <Night_Elf> Actually I have thought to get to know something about ansible or puppet. I have noticed these are the lastest fads and trendy requirements listed in websites under "we want you to have these skills". Do these things stand up to the hype around them, and which of these do you recomend?
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1001[09:31:02] <Defcon5> Hello everyone
1002[09:31:46] <Defcon5> Just a question. How do I register my nic
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1004[09:32:36] <jpw> Night_Elf: puppet is really good for systems that support it. ansible for everything else.
1005[09:33:17] <Night_Elf> Defcon5: ns /register password email-address
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1007[09:33:39] <Night_Elf> jpw: I see.
1008[09:33:42] <jpw> Night_Elffor example we use a lot of vmware products and you simply cannot install a puppet agent on to these. If you need to install a certificate etc ansible is king.
1009[09:33:56] <Defcon5> whats ns
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1011[09:34:03] <jpw> nickserv
1012[09:34:22] <Night_Elf> jpw: I read you.
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1016[09:35:17] <Defcon5> sorry about the questions. Iam new to IRC
1017[09:35:19] <Night_Elf> Defcon5: While you are on irc, try to give this command "/ns help register" and then see to read the help that will appear.
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1020[09:35:43] <jpw> Defcon5 perhaps direct these questions at #help ?
1021[09:35:44] <Defcon5> ok
1022[09:36:02] <jpw> the network staff are very friendly
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1033[09:40:35] <Defcon5> I think I am registered know
1034[09:40:41] <Defcon5> now
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1036[09:41:43] <dgriffi> has anyone here successfully gotten GCC 5+ installed on Jessie?
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1039[09:42:28] <dgriffi> I have some stuff that requires it, but when I upgraded to Stretch, all hell broke loose and xorg failed to work.
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1045[09:45:15] <jpw> dgriffi do you mean gcc5 or the corresponding glibc version?
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1047[09:45:30] <dgriffi> jpw: gcc5
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1049[09:45:45] <dgriffi> jpw: for example, MAME now requires gcc5 or higher to build
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1051[09:46:09] <jpw> i dont see how that would cause xorg to fail...
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1053[09:46:32] <dgriffi> jpw: I don't think it's GCC's fault there
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1055[09:46:58] <dgriffi> jpw: I just saw Stretch as a potentially easy way to get GCC 5+
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1058[09:47:33] <dgriffi> jpw: anyhow, xorg fails to start on a Thinkpad T420 with Optimus graphics
1059[09:47:57] <sawk> Hi I'm using Debian stretch with GNOME 3 and Wyland. But since Wyland was slower than X11, I decided to switch back to X11. But then, the Synology Cloud Sync application does not show up anymore in the tray icon (it's covering the space, but not showing up). Does someone know why a tray icon works in Wayland, but not in X11.
1060[09:48:19] <sawk> ?
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1062[09:48:48] <jpw> dgriffi: so which problem are you asking about? installing gcc5 or getting xorg working?
1063[09:48:58] <dgriffi> jpw: just GCC for now
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1071[09:51:23] <jpw> dgriffi: are you currently running jessie or stretch?
1072[09:51:27] <dgriffi> jessie
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1074[09:51:39] <jpw> gcc 5 should be available in backports
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1079[09:53:06] <dgriffi> jpw: nope
1080[09:53:12] <jpw> yeah so I see
1081[09:53:22] <dgriffi> replaced-url
1082[09:53:25] <jpw> uh so your choice is either upgrade to stretch
1083[09:53:39] <dgriffi> the last time I manually installed GCC was back when IRIX was current
1084[09:53:44] <jpw> or compile gcc yourself in a controlled location such as your home directory
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1086[09:53:52] <jakefb> Hi I'm trying to have an exception that just continues normally without showing djangos debug page replaced-url
1087[09:54:18] <TomTomTosch> you could use debootstrap and chroot if you need a weird build environment.
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1090[09:54:41] <dgriffi> this is disturbing... I've managed to almost max out my 1TB drive that I thought would last me at least a couple more years
1091[09:54:56] <jakefb> sorry wrong channel! ignore that last message
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1095[09:55:36] <jpw> TomTomTosch: that's a good idea, why have i never thought of that,
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1097[09:56:05] <dgriffi> jpw: will there be any potential of weird conflicts with libc and friends?
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1099[09:57:11] <jpw> dgriffi: i'm going to say no without any warrenty. But this is why i tell you to install it in to a controlled location. If anything goes wrong you can log in as another user and remove any conflicts
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1101[09:57:56] <dgriffi> any idea why gcc6 was released so quickly after gcc5?
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1117[10:06:41] <manuelschneid3r> Does anybody here know something about trademarks and brands and problems ocurring when the name of free open source software is similar to a registered trademark? (albert~alfred)
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1125[10:13:37] <jpw> manuelschneid3r: replaced-url
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1127[10:13:56] <jpw> thats not the right page
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1169[10:32:42] <holycow> hey all
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1171[10:33:26] <holycow> running latest debian 8 jessie with all updates and build-essential installed. i cannot compile nvidia drivers because gcc does not match kernel.
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1173[10:33:58] <holycow> why the hell does debian EVER have mismatching gcc and kernels in the same repo? doesn't dpkg download the correct gcc for the correct kernel?
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1175[10:34:23] <bobe> holycow, gcc? don't you mean kernel headers?
1176[10:35:36] <holycow> checking error message gain
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1178[10:36:18] <holycow> nope
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1180[10:36:40] <holycow> error states gcc used for the installed kernel was 4.8 but current repo has 4.9 installed
1181[10:36:55] <holycow> i ran into this 10 years ago and its crazy this still happens
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1185[10:38:58] <holycow> ah, okay gcc 4.8 is in repos ... okay. my bad.
1186[10:39:24] <jpw> holycow: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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1188[10:39:35] <petn-randall> holycow: In general, it helps to show the command + error you're getting on a paste site.
1189[10:40:13] <petn-randall> holycow: replaced-url
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1195[10:41:55] <holycow> apologies ... trying something first before i polute the channel further with my yammer
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1208[10:48:25] <jelly> ,i linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86
1209[10:48:26] <judd> Package linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 (kernel, optional) in jessie/amd64: Compiler for Linux on x86 (meta-package). Version: 3.16.39-1; Size: 336.7k; Installed: 338k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1253[11:05:24] <slax0r> hi, I just upgraded to 4.9.0 kernel, and had problems with the iwlwifi firmware for 7265 (not D), the firmware-iwlwifi lists -17.ucode, but /lib/firmware/ contains only -16.ucode, had to manually download -17.ucode from the OpenELEC/iwlwifi-firmware repo, could this be considered as sort of a "bug"?
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1262[11:09:23] <halt> Hi Guys, I'm trying to execute few simple command before shutdown on my debian jessie VM's before systemd it was trivial that it has to be in /etc/rc6.d ( if I'm not mistaken ) but now with systemd in place is it better to create oneshot units with Before targets ?
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1265[11:10:38] <jpw> slax0r: which firmware exactly are you after?
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1267[11:12:20] <jpw> slax0r: sorry i didnt read your message properly.
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1269[11:13:22] <a6576171> Hello! I managed to select the correct sound card but, by default, the computer always starts up with the speakers selected. How can I manage which output I want, since they are in the same 'sink'?
1270[11:13:48] <a6576171> That is, I want to change the defaults.
1271[11:14:58] <Logg> if you're using pulse, you can set the default output device with pavucontrol
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1275[11:19:34] <jpw> slax0r: I have just extracted the package and the -17 version of the firmware is definetly in there.
1276[11:19:57] <slax0r> jpw: which package?
1277[11:20:03] <slax0r> firmware-iwlwifi?
1278[11:20:06] <jpw> replaced-url
1279[11:20:38] <slax0r> jpw: yes, it also shows in modinfo, but /lib/firmware/ is missing the -17.ucode file
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1282[11:20:57] <slax0r> had to download 'iwlwifi-7265-17.ucode' and copy it there manually
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1301[11:22:09] <jpw> i don't know what to say then :/
1302[11:22:29] <towo^work> slax0r, firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265-17.ucode
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1304[11:22:51] <towo^work> it is there, wrom where you have the 4.9 kernel installed?
1305[11:22:55] <towo^work> *from
1306[11:23:04] <slax0r> jessie-backports
1307[11:23:19] <towo^work> slax0r, then you need even the firmware package from there
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1309[11:24:29] <slax0r> towo^work: installed firmware-iwlwifi firmware-linux firmware-free and firmware-nonfree from jessie-backports as well
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1311[11:25:00] <towo^work> slax0r, proof it
1312[11:25:13] <slax0r> ?
1313[11:25:15] <towo^work> apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi
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1318[11:27:45] <holycow> hi
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1321[11:28:05] <holycow> just a quick thanks to everyone for the help. that allowed me to compile the driver manually
1322[11:28:09] <holycow> have a lovely evening
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1324[11:29:14] <slax0r> towo^work: woah, my bad, I forgot to add non-free backports to sources.list :/
1325[11:29:22] <slax0r> thanks
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1354[11:44:21] <bibble> possbile to change debian 8 hostname without rebooting ? [replaced-url
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1375[11:58:50] <petn-randall> bibble: Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what issue you are seeing.
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1377[11:59:27] <petn-randall> bibble: Usually it's enough to set it in /etc/hostname and then via 'hostname'. But daemons need to be restartet to pick it up. That page covers all the corner cases.
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1401[12:23:25] <klys> hi. I have modified a mkinitrd (cpio) image to boot my new/old amd64 debian system. scripts/init-bottom attempts mount -n -o move /dev /root/dev; which results in an error: mount: /dev is not a block device. also pivot_root /root /root/id results in an error: invalid argument. util-linux and mount are both version 2.29.1-1 and the binaries are taken from those packages, amd64 arch.
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1405[12:26:15] <klys> cat /proc/$$/mountinfo | head -n 1 is as follows: 0 0:1 / / rw - rootfs rootfs rw
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1414[12:32:17] <klys> I have found a suggestion to use mount --move : replaced-url
1415[12:32:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1420[12:34:25] <klys> this did not fix the problem with pivot_root: failed to change root from /root to /root/id: invalid argument
1421[12:35:37] <petn-randall> klys: You could try using 'mount --bind <old> <new>', or 'mount -t devtmpfs udev /dev'.
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1424[12:36:42] <dqsii> im curios does debian have a offtopic channel :p i use debian but i want to connect to the offtopic channel too if its avalible :p
1425[12:36:45] <klys> petn-randall, the mounts moved ok, I just have to pivot_root
1426[12:37:47] <dqsii> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.7 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4170 CPU @ 3.70GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.70GHz ** RAM: Physical: 15.7GiB, 87.5% free ** Disk: Total: 3.5TiB, 85.3% free ** VGA: 1002:68f9 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI1: HDA-Intel - HDA Creative ** Ethernet: 10ec:8168 ** Uptime: 2h 54m 52s **
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1430[12:39:21] <themill> dqsii: yeah, don't do that...
1431[12:39:41] <dqsii> ok just wanted to show my setup xD
1432[12:39:43] <Deific> but the free intel :P
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1438[12:42:52] <Brigo> dqsii, yes #debian-offtopic
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1441[12:43:50] <dqsii> thanks brigo :D
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1450[12:48:23] <emeric> hello, I'm wondering, now that stretch is frozen, do you advise upgrading to stretch or is it worth waiting ? (for a debian desktop)
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1452[12:50:06] <bibble> thanks petn-randall . edited /etc/hostname, homenamectl set, systemctl restart networking . all seems ok, other than systemd logging is still using old hostname . need to retstart some how ...
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1456[12:53:07] <Brigo> emeric, the offical answer will be you have to wait for the oficial release. But prodived the system is quite usefull just now, you can upgrade now and help with the final bug extermination :)
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1461[12:57:35] <ddybing> Hi! I'm having great issues on my Debian machine with Samba. On one share it only seems to be transferring at about 50-60kbit/s. This specific share is on another drive than the others. I've checked the drive and it passes all tests. It also works at full speed when transferring locally (from one disk to another inside the server). Any suggestions...? :(
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1463[12:57:42] <ddybing> I'm not sure if it
1464[12:57:48] <ddybing> it's samba or Debian, or something else wrong.
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1467[12:59:51] <emeric> Brigo: thanks for the answer :-). I think I'm going to wait since I don't have enough time to invest in testing
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1469[13:00:36] <Brigo> emeric, ok
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1475[13:03:51] <teraflops> ddybing: mind sharing more detailed information?
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1478[13:05:03] <teraflops> wifi or wired? big or small files? linux > win, linux > linux...
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1485[13:09:08] <klys> busybox pivot_root also returns an error: pivot_root: Invalid argument
1486[13:10:49] <ddybing> teraflops: Sure! This is over 1Gbit wired network. The server runs Debian. The clients run Windows. A bunch of small files will transfer at 10kbyte/s, a large file will transfer at ~50-70kbyte/s.
1487[13:11:10] <ddybing> 1gbit local network, to be more precise.
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1490[13:11:57] <teraflops> ddybing: so transferring files using anything else gets better speeds?
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1492[13:12:25] <teraflops> ssh nfs http rsync nfs ...
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1500[13:14:55] <DexterF> hi
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1502[13:15:40] <DexterF> what's a good approach to make changes to multiple machines on a regular basis? say I'd like to change things like a config file in /home for all
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1505[13:16:35] <refeaime> Hey chat
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1507[13:17:07] <refeaime> Does here someone who could HELP me, not do for me, with xl2tpd?
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1509[13:17:17] <teraflops> salt puppet chef ansible...
1510[13:17:30] <teraflops> DexterF^
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1512[13:19:21] <Night_Elf> teraflops: Which would be a recomendation between those?
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1514[13:19:53] <ddybing> teraflops: Yes, I get 100mbyte/s from the other shares over SMB. HTTP also works at approximately the same speed.
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1516[13:20:28] <teraflops> ugh
1517[13:20:49] <teraflops> Night_Elf: read and make your own opinion I think
1518[13:21:04] <teraflops> I like ansible
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1523[13:22:05] <irc2000> is it normal to have rpcbind running?
1524[13:22:08] <irc2000> open
1525[13:22:20] <irc2000> I installed bind the other day and it seems to be running some kind of service on port 111
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1527[13:23:04] <avian> irc2000, rpcbind is not related to bind (the DNS server)
1528[13:23:18] <irc2000> can I disable and stop rpcbind?
1529[13:23:36] <avian> try uninstalling the "rpcbind" packge
1530[13:23:52] <irc2000> why do I have it in the first place?
1531[13:24:15] <irc2000> do I need it? The docs aren't too clear about it
1532[13:24:23] <avian> it usually gets installed because NFS packages depend on it.
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1535[13:24:51] <teraflops> irc2000: lsof. netstat. systemctl list-sockets
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1538[13:25:21] <DexterF> teraflops, ty
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1540[13:26:49] <irc2000> avian: why uninstall it? why not just disable it?
1541[13:27:17] <avian> irc2000, you can disable it if you want. I just uninstall it usually.
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1544[13:28:25] <irc2000> I don't allow remote access to my server. It's easier to have the same password for the user and root. Any problem with that?
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1546[13:29:37] <irc2000> why can't I listen to tcp-port 25 with root? nothing else is using the port
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1548[13:30:48] <peteski> Hi all, I'm a Linux (and Debian) novice, and recently installed Stretch RC2 testing on my laptop (as suggested by this wiki article: replaced-url
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1550[13:31:13] <teraflops> irc2000: you cannot
1551[13:31:21] <peteski> I had a few issues though, ones which I wouldn't have been able to solve without a friend helping me (one who is vastly superior)
1552[13:31:53] <peteski> I'm trying to summarise them, and want to report bugs etc. but I'm not sure how to find out which 'packages' they would be part of (as reportbug wants to know).
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1558[13:32:39] * peteski knows he can just enter "other" in reportbug, but wondered if there was a good place to search
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1562[13:34:01] <irc2000> teraflops: why not?
1563[13:35:24] <jelly> irc2000: how exactly are you trying to "listen to tcp-port 25 with root"
1564[13:35:43] <irc2000> jelly: netcat -l -p 25
1565[13:36:02] <jelly> irc2000: if you have a MTA installed, it will listen on localhost on that port by default
1566[13:36:11] <jelly> irc2000: which error do you get?
1567[13:36:12] <irc2000> jelly: MTA?
1568[13:36:24] <irc2000> Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind
1569[13:36:52] <jelly> irc2000: telnet 127.0.0.1 25 # is there anything already listening?
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1571[13:37:22] <irc2000> yeah, esmtp
1572[13:37:26] <jelly> that's why.
1573[13:37:39] <irc2000> it's a fresh install. Why do I have this? :p
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1575[13:38:09] <jelly> because you installed something that pulled in a MTA. Like the server task, or cron.
1576[13:38:15] <themill> esmtp being installed doesn't sound particularly fresh
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1578[13:38:34] <jelly> they saw ESMTP in the 25/tcp banner
1579[13:38:43] <themill> sure
1580[13:38:48] * jelly guesses wildly
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1585[13:39:34] <irc2000> I hope this isn't accessable from the outside?
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1587[13:39:41] <irc2000> it doesn't seem to be. And it shouldnt?
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1589[13:39:48] <jelly> it's not, unless you told it to.
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1591[13:40:06] <jelly> MTA will listen only on localhost by default
1592[13:40:08] <themill> packages have descriptions btw
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1594[13:40:51] <urzds> Hello!
1595[13:41:10] <urzds> Where can I find the scripts that create Debian bootable ISO images?
1596[13:41:18] <avian> peteski, it's probably best if you try asking on debian-user mailing list.
1597[13:41:54] <peteski> avian: OK, will have a look into that, thanks! I'm currently filling in a cdimage.debian.org bug :)
1598[13:41:55] <irc2000> themill: I don't even know what package things are
1599[13:42:08] <themill> irc2000: you could guess and you'd be right
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1602[13:42:59] <irc2000> themill: I don't even know what to guess
1603[13:43:06] <jelly> peteski: if you know a related command, "which command" will tell you its full path, and "dpkg -S /full/path" will tell you which package it belongs to
1604[13:43:24] <klys> ok I changed from pivot_root to switch_root and it seems to be booting
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1607[13:45:29] <jelly> irc2000: use something like "ss -tpan" or "netstat -tpan" to see which process LISTENs on a tcp port
1608[13:46:25] <jelly> irc2000: you can then use "lsof -n PIDHERE" to see which binary that process was created from, near the beginning of the output.
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1610[13:47:56] <jelly> irc2000: after that it's not hard to figure out which package it belongs to
1611[13:48:19] <irc2000> I see, thanks
1612[13:48:22] <neglesaks> Hey all, does the root user have a wastebasket directory, or are any files moved to the "wastebasket" which in root mode just deleted? (fx. via. nautilus run from terminal in su mode)?
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1614[13:49:15] <peteski> jelly: I'm afriad that's a bit beyond me at present. I found an issue with the installer on the debian stretch rs2 image. and have found a few small issues with debian+gnome desktop.. like touch screen issues, touchpad issues, window resize issues (on a mouse settings window)
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1616[13:49:32] <jelly> neglesaks: the right answer is probably "avoid running GUI file browsers, or GUI anything, as root"
1617[13:49:36] * peteski had to install stretch rc2 as it supports his dell xps 13 HW
1618[13:50:03] <jelly> peteski: then file an installation report, I guess, and enumerate all the issues
1619[13:50:24] <jelly> !installation report
1620[13:50:24] <dpkg> rumour has it, installation report is replaced-url
1621[13:50:26] <peteski> jelly: yep, I've submitted the installer one now :)
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1623[13:50:42] <peteski> using .. reportbug
1624[13:50:50] * peteski isn't sure how he sees said, submitted bug
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1628[13:51:59] <teraflops> irc2000: ah I. missread I was talking about not being able to listen < 1024 not being root
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1634[13:56:14] <refeaime> Hello again, What am i doing wrong? replaced-url
1635[13:56:44] <jelly> not explaining at least some context, and forcing one to click on the link first, is also wrong
1636[13:56:58] <jelly> !ask
1637[13:56:58] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1649[14:02:00] <refeaime> =\
1650[14:02:00] <refeaime> Ok
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1652[14:03:07] <refeaime> I am have a problem with xl2tp, runnings debian jessie, 3.16.0-4-686-pae, My config files and console output is here replaced-url
1653[14:03:19] <refeaime> I need l2tp server runnings.
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1655[14:03:43] <jelly> thanks. Now I know I don't have to click it, because I know nothing about L2TP
1656[14:03:43] <refeaime> and did not really get what it need to be done with network it that case
1657[14:04:21] <refeaime> jelly: 2ltp - VPN, using ppp
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1659[14:04:42] <refeaime> And for encryption sometimes using IPSec
1660[14:04:59] <refeaime> I no need IPSec
1661[14:05:03] <jelly> (yeah, I know what it is, but have never worked with it, so maybe someone who has a clue can actually look)
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1663[14:05:53] * peteski received an email with the submission and bug # in!
1664[14:05:59] <refeaime> jelly: yea... thats the problem... No one usually using l2tp. OpenVPN or IPSec is more popular. And ai do know how to configure openVPN.
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1666[14:06:10] <refeaime> But not in l2tp...
1667[14:06:14] <refeaime> ugh...
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1674[14:07:45] <refeaime> Damn...
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1684[14:09:51] <jelly> refeaime: dunno, try ##networking ?
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1686[14:10:46] <refeaime> jelly: what do you mean?
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1689[14:11:39] <xthree> ./join #networking
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1691[14:12:08] <jelly> refeaime: it's another channel on this irc network, type /join ##networking
1692[14:12:16] <jelly> and ask there as well
1693[14:12:27] <refeaime> jelly: oh, not i get that. Thank you.
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1735[14:34:30] <dgriffi> where would be a good place to post questions about why Stretch's xorg won't work on a Thinkpad T420?
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1740[14:36:33] <jelly> dgriffi: model with intel only, or dual gpu (whcih)?
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1742[14:36:42] <dgriffi> jelly: dual
1743[14:36:42] <jelly> !debian-next
1744[14:36:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1745[14:37:09] <jelly> dgriffi: simplest thing to do, if you can disable nvidia in BIOS, do that
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1754[14:40:44] <jaymar> hi all! at work we have our own repository. I created a new package of some software and successfully uploaded it. I can see the file in the repo. However after apt-get update I don't see the new version available. Where should I look for the issue?
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1773[14:48:02] <donavan01> im running kali and after doing apt-get update then apt-get upgrade I now have no icons on my desktop and anytime I run a program the system kicks me out to the logon screen
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1775[14:48:42] <towo^work> wrong channel
1776[14:48:50] <towo^work> this is #debian, not #kali
1777[14:49:00] <teraflops> donavan01: please ask in #kali or whatever, this channel is for debian
1778[14:49:25] <slax0r> #kali-linux according to kali.org
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1788[14:54:13] <donavan01> yeah I know but kali is debian based and no one is talking in #kali-linux so I hoped maybe someone in here had seen such a problem
1789[14:54:35] <babilen> dpkg: based on debian
1790[14:54:36] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1791[14:54:50] <babilen> donavan01: Use Debian if you like support in here. You'd be more than welcome!
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1804[15:02:12] <jaymar> can someone help me please? I uploaded a new version using dput, but after apt-get update I dont see it. Where should I look for?
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1811[15:05:49] <babilen> jaymar: Uploaded it where?
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1857[15:41:42] <ikeigenwijs> hello, did a apt-get update -> upgrade: i got INIT: cannot execute "/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start"
1858[15:41:42] <ikeigenwijs> INIT: Id "SV" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
1859[15:41:42] <ikeigenwijs> and no services starting
1860[15:42:01] <petn-randall> ikeigenwijs: On which release?
1861[15:42:04] <ikeigenwijs> i can get on the server with xl console
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1863[15:42:37] <ikeigenwijs> debian jessie kernel 3.16.0-4
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1865[15:43:17] <ikeigenwijs> its a virtual server using xen and lvm disk, dident change anything on that side
1866[15:43:32] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: does "/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start" exist?
1867[15:43:49] <jelly> is runit installed at all?
1868[15:44:04] <ikeigenwijs> i cant find errors in the log except some message using gnome but its a command line server, and i cant deinstall the gnome packages askes for internet to tdo that
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1871[15:44:49] <ikeigenwijs> i did not install it manually, server runs for several years now went last year from weezy to jessie
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1875[15:45:56] <jelly> having runit or daemontools isn't a default setup, and neither is running sysvinit on jessie. Can you provide answers to those two questions
1876[15:46:01] <ikeigenwijs> ls /jelly: i got /usr/sbin/runsvchdir
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1878[15:46:18] <jelly> that's not /usr/sbin/runsvdir-start
1879[15:46:24] <ikeigenwijs> ls /jelly: so no /usr/sbin/runsvdir-start
1880[15:46:31] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: is runit package installed?
1881[15:46:36] <jelly> dpkg -l runit | tail -n 1
1882[15:46:36] <dpkg> ii runit | tail -n 1 2.3-4 jelly's private stamp collection
1883[15:46:55] <jelly> if not, install it back
1884[15:47:11] <ikeigenwijs> jelly: yes runit is reeds de nieuwste versie (2.1.2-9). latest version
1885[15:47:15] <jelly> if it is, some of its files are missing and it's probably a good idea to reinstall it
1886[15:47:24] <jelly> ,v runit
1887[15:47:25] <judd> Package: runit on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.1-6.2; jessie: 2.1.2-3; sid: 2.1.2-9; stretch: 2.1.2-9
1888[15:47:32] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: -9 ?
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1890[15:48:14] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: sounds like you had stretch or sid repos enabled and you did an upgrade.
1891[15:48:15] <ikeigenwijs> hmm i dont use stretch only stable
1892[15:48:31] <jelly> correction: you THOUGHT you didn't use stretch or sid
1893[15:48:40] <ikeigenwijs> thx for the right direction, i ll look in to it, looking for hours ;-)
1894[15:48:48] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: "apt-cache policy" will tell you which repos are enabled
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1900[15:49:35] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: it's a bad idea to even have newer repos listed in an installation of stable (jessie at present time)
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1902[15:49:48] <ikeigenwijs> jelly, ho wcan i undo that i see testing listed, cant be good
1903[15:50:08] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: restore the whole machine from backup/snapshot if you have it
1904[15:50:12] <jelly> there's no undo
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1908[15:50:43] <ikeigenwijs> no snapshot :-s
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1912[15:52:59] <jaggz> what are the proper steps to compile a 3rd party .deb (from its tar.gz and patch)? replaced-url
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1914[15:53:38] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: make a clone, then investigate whether going fully to "stretch" is an option
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1917[15:54:10] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: if you're really desperate, try a partial downgrade
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1921[15:54:31] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: /msg dpkg partial downgrade
1922[15:54:39] <ikeigenwijs> jelly: i did not do a dist-upgrade
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1924[15:55:01] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: doesn't matter at all
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1931[15:55:46] <ikeigenwijs> jelly: so go to stretch to get it working again can i go back then? or need to follow until it becomes stable?
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1933[15:55:54] <jelly> if you had testing or stretch repo enabled, your "apt-get upgrade" would have pulled in dozens-hundreds of newer version from there
1934[15:56:07] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: you can't go back easily.
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1936[15:56:33] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: however, if you follow stretch, you'll keep using stretch even when it becomes stable
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1938[15:57:03] <jelly> that's one of the reasons it's recommended to use code names in sources.list, not "stable" or "testing"
1939[15:57:11] <ikeigenwijs> jelly: ok thx for the info i realy wonder how testing and stretch got on ther, i never use those and im the only one with permission
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2029[16:45:56] <irc2000> is there any point in enabling UFW if you don't have any ports open anyway?
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2032[16:46:11] <irc2000> I have no ports open, none. yet I have ufw enabled.
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2034[16:46:52] <tw> it also blocks outgoing, if you configure it.
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2040[16:48:20] <irc2000> tw: I'm a total noob. Do I want to block outgoing?
2041[16:48:25] <irc2000> it's a web server
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2044[16:48:53] <colo-work> [16:45:56] <irc2000> is there any point in enabling UFW if you don't have any ports open anyway? - usually, no
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2046[16:49:28] <Jaami> this page replaced-url
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2048[16:49:56] <tw> irc2000: If you're new, don't bother blocking outgoing as it doesn't help much and might give you confusing problems later when you forget your firewall is blocking things.
2049[16:50:01] <jelly> ikeigenwijs: if you choose to test going to stratch, read /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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2051[16:50:44] <tw> irc2000: leaving UFW on gives you some "oops" protection if you accidentally configure a service as listening to all interfaces and didn't intend it.
2052[16:51:01] <irc2000> tw: true
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2054[16:51:26] <irc2000> tw: if I block outgoing, how am I going to cope with updates etc?
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2056[16:51:46] <irc2000> tw: blocking outgoing is a good idea. But on the other hand, if I have an intruder they can just unblock it.
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2058[16:52:41] <tw> If they have a root escalation, it's over anyway, but just a user like replaced-url
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2063[16:54:46] <irc2000> better safe than sorry. So I need to find out what ports the updating software is using and unblock that?
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2067[16:56:36] <Jaami> hi, im learning basics of debian. how to have different colors of prompt, command and out while i use custom background and text color?
2068[16:56:50] <Jaami> output **
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2071[16:57:22] <nkuttler> Jaami: check the bash prompt howto
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2073[16:58:05] <tw> irc2000: I really wouldn't bother blocking outgoing if you're new to firewall configuration, it's a good way to get locked out of a remote system for pretty low gains.
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2077[16:58:32] <Jaami> ok
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2089[17:03:26] <jaymar> hi! I uploaded a new version of a corrupt package to a private repo, how I can remove it easily?
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2104[17:13:24] <irc2000> tw: I have physical access to the server
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2115[17:17:11] <jelly> jaymar: rm? :-)
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2118[17:18:10] <jaymar> jelly, is it enough to just rm the files??
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2120[17:18:36] <petn-randall> jaymar: Depends a little on your repo software you use.
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2123[17:18:57] <jelly> jaymar: no, but that's enough to stop users from being able to download it
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2126[17:19:11] <sonu_nk> i am installing webmin on ubutnu server.. but when i tried lsb_release -a it is showing me " No LSB modules are available. | Distributor ID: Debian | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) | Release: 8.6"
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2131[17:21:11] <jelly> sonu_nk: that doesn't sound like an ubuntu system, eh?
2132[17:21:23] <sonu_nk> jelly, yes
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2134[17:21:55] <Jaami> hi , why all wiki urls are blocked for me? "forbidden , You are not allowed to access this"
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2138[17:23:29] <petn-randall> Jaami: Which wiki URLs?
2139[17:23:38] <Jaami> debial help pages are mostly on wiki and i need to use
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2141[17:23:41] <zykotick9> Jaami: i doubt the issue is on the debian server side. are you behind some corporate-firewall or something?
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2144[17:23:55] <Jaami> replaced-url
2145[17:24:06] <zykotick9> petn-randall: Jaami gave replaced-url
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2151[17:24:34] <Jaami> i use my personal laptop and just installed debian today, have no idea if any firewall is set
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2156[17:25:34] <petn-randall> Jaami: There won't be any from Debian, but maybe you network access (university/company/country) has one.
2157[17:25:36] <zykotick9> Jaami: sorry. debian doesn't have a firewall turned on be default. i was asking if your connection to the internet was from a company (that might be blocking wiki pages)...
2158[17:25:42] <Jaami> yes, i believe wiwki url works for everybody but why not for me?
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2161[17:26:47] <Jaami> i used same usb net on windows and centos for years and there was no such problem
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2164[17:27:51] <Jaami> i have 2 laptops and on other laptop i have access to wiki pages on windows
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2167[17:28:26] <RafiX> hello
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2171[17:29:28] <Jaami> i dont know if booting debian from usb is the the reason i dont have access to wiki pages. really, dont make any sense to me
2172[17:29:46] <RafiX> i wanted to install debian testing for my friend. Using latest iso. Installation went okay, but when we rebooted there was no windows in grub and when booting debian monitor goes into sleep mode and thats all
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2174[17:30:18] <petn-randall> RafiX: I'd stick with stable for now unless you want to beta-test stretch.
2175[17:30:42] <Jaami> zykotick9: its impossible that my isp is blocking wiki pages.
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2177[17:30:59] <petn-randall> RafiX: Sounds like the installer might not have been prepared properly. How did you make the usb stick?
2178[17:31:00] <at0m|c> Jaami: can you browse other website? debian.org?
2179[17:31:46] <Jaami> at0m|c: yes, debian.org works
2180[17:31:52] <RafiX> petn-randall: rufus on windows
2181[17:32:14] <petn-randall> !rufus
2182[17:32:15] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2183[17:32:27] <petn-randall> RafiX: Try using wind32diskimager.
2184[17:32:38] <petn-randall> *win32diskimager
2185[17:33:00] <Jaami> btw, rufus is not recommended under windows either
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2189[17:34:10] <Jaami> neither unetbootin was recommended to me , the last thing that worked for me was netinstall
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2194[17:36:18] <Jaami> replaced-url
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2199[17:38:14] <Jaami> at0m|c: what should i do for wiki pages?
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2202[17:38:54] <at0m|c> Jaami: i'd try if dig/nslookup/ping works on it
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2204[17:39:09] <at0m|c> just to make sure you can resolve it ok
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2210[17:41:43] <Jaami> ping works for wiki.debian.org but firefox does not. i guess i should leave it for now. i have to install virtualbox that is more important
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2229[17:45:49] <mahmoudgebril> v
2230[17:45:50] <mahmoudgebril> 9 11 attacks, Did USA do it itself or it just let it happen?
2231[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> Did USA administration murder 3000 American citizen in 9 11 attacks to justify starting a war against iraq?
2232[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> If al-qaeda did it, why go to kill 2 million Iraqi?
2233[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> replaced-url
2234[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> replaced-url
2235[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> Some of the benefits Americans say they achieved after 9 11 attacks include:
2236[17:45:51] <mahmoudgebril> *constant flow of oil, which price is in continuous decline. Trump said he will simply take the Iraqi oil, and when he was told that Iraqi oil belongs to iraq he said there is no iraq(after usa destroyed it ).
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2247[17:48:07] <Jaami> what is the best option to reverse any changes made by install?
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2249[17:48:34] <Jaami> is there a way to make snapshots of my debian system?
2250[17:48:37] <mtn_> Jaami: install of what?
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2252[17:48:55] <Jaami> any package, like virtualbox that require backports
2253[17:49:39] <mtn_> Jaami: you can make backups/snapshots, or reverse the steps you took when you installed something
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2255[17:50:13] <Jaami> oh ok, how to make backups/snapshots? please tell me
2256[17:50:13] <jpw> Jaami: official packages are very good at deleting any file it creates. You can remove with --purge switch to also remove configs from /etc
2257[17:51:06] <mtn_> Jaami: you can easily research how to do that using a search engine
2258[17:51:07] <Jaami> safest way and easy for me is the snapshot/backup without struggling with commands
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2261[17:52:08] <jpw> Jaami: two of my favourites are rsnapshot and lvm2 snapshots
2262[17:52:16] <Jaami> mtn_: yes, sorry , i see some issues with wiki pages. anyway i should try search engine
2263[17:52:51] <Jaami> oh ok jpw thats what i needed to know. now i can find more details
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2270[17:54:46] <RafiX> okay, so i got debian running
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2272[17:55:08] <RafiX> but it's missing driver for graphics card
2273[17:55:33] <mtn_> RafiX: what card?
2274[17:55:39] <RafiX> the driver is in the repos of stretch, but apt can't install it
2275[17:55:50] <RafiX> mtn_: geforce 8600 gso
2276[17:56:08] <mtn_> RafiX: is the driver in backports?
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2280[17:56:22] <mtn_> !debian-backports
2281[17:56:22] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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2284[17:56:55] <RafiX> mtn_: in jessie yes
2285[17:57:01] <RafiX> but not in stretch
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2289[17:57:27] <mtn_> RafiX: you just said it was in stretch. I am confused
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2292[17:58:10] <RafiX> it's in: jessie-backports, stretch, sid
2293[17:58:33] <mtn_> RafiX: ok, so why not install it?
2294[17:59:05] <mtn_> RafiX: aren't you using jessie?
2295[17:59:08] <RafiX> mtn_: apt don't it
2296[17:59:20] <RafiX> mtn_: it's my friends pc
2297[17:59:31] <mtn_> RafiX: what version of debian is running on it?
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2299[17:59:34] <RafiX> don't see it*
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2301[17:59:42] <RafiX> mtn_: latest testing
2302[17:59:55] <mtn_> RafiX: you just said testing has the driver
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2304[18:00:06] <RafiX> it has
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2306[18:00:17] <mtn_> RafiX: do you have non-free and contrib in the sources?
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2312[18:03:22] <RafiX> OH FOR GOD SAKE
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2321[18:07:57] <klys> well i had a disk with windows 7 on it
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2323[18:08:04] <klys> and then I ran gpart
2324[18:08:39] <klys> there were two partitions on the disk
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2329[18:09:55] <klys> the start and end sectors of those two partitions show the same under gpt as they did with fdisk -l before the operation
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2333[18:10:40] <klys> the types read "microsoft basic data."
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2335[18:10:52] <klys> both were ntfs partitions
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2338[18:11:07] <sypher> !enter
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2351[18:14:12] <dethegeek> Hi, I'm getting 2 problems after 2 upgrades since 2 weeks. I'm using Debian Sid, and I saw I should ask on #debian-next. However it seels this channel is accessible by invitation only. How shall I proceed ?
2352[18:14:12] <klys> the gdisk command I ran was "f load MBR and build fresh GPT from it" and presumably since my kernel re-read the disk it should be able to read the partitions. I have tried mounting them with ntfs-3g and kernel ntfs, both of which log a segfault in dmesg | tail; and fail to mount the partition.
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2358[18:15:15] <klys> dethegeek, that channel is on oftc.
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2360[18:16:32] <dethegeek> klys: thank you, then is this channel the right place ?
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2362[18:17:15] <klys> dethegeek, you may want to type /connect irc.oftc.net and /join #debian-next
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2366[18:18:51] <babilen> dpkg: otherchannel dethegeek #debian-next irc.oftc.net
2367[18:18:51] <dpkg> dethegeek: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next
2368[18:19:16] <dethegeek> thank you
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2372[18:20:09] <decci_> I want to send mail to my corporate ID from one of system running debian
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2375[18:20:30] <decci_> using echo "Hello" | mail -s "Hi" <emailid>
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2383[18:23:36] <petn-randall> decci_: And what happens when you do that?
2384[18:24:36] <decci_> What package do I need to install?
2385[18:24:40] <decci_> there is no mail command
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2390[18:24:59] <decci_> petn-randall: what package provides that?
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2392[18:25:31] <petn-randall> decci_: I don't know, but if you install "command-not-found", it'll tell you every time you execute a command that doesn't exist.
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2395[18:26:08] <decci_> petn-randall: cool...mailutils
2396[18:27:11] <decci_> petn-randall: I am running wordpress. Do I need to configure SMTP
2397[18:27:22] <decci_> petn-randall: so that wordpress app can send email
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2399[18:28:00] <TomTomTo1> mail is a symlink to any mail user agent. can be mutt, or bsd mail or whatever.
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2403[18:29:09] <petn-randall> decci_: 'mail' usually doesn't do SMTP, but uses maildrop.
2404[18:29:34] <hmuller> I erred and removed configuration file backups from the system on my main machine. I can connect to wifi, but it appears that I cannot properly resolve names. Any pointers on troubleshooting?
2405[18:29:37] <decci_> petn-randall: How will I be able to send mail using wordpress
2406[18:29:56] <decci_> petn-randall: What if I configure this machine as SMTP
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2413[18:31:47] <BlueByte> moin zusammen, welchen ftp nehm ich denn für chroot und ggf. mit SSL Unterstützung?
2414[18:32:32] <at0m|c> !german
2415[18:32:32] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
2416[18:33:05] <BlueByte> oh ok, no Problem. Which ftp should i take for change root und maybe SSL?
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2419[18:33:55] <jpw> BlueByte: vsftpd
2420[18:34:14] <BlueByte> Also for ssl? or just chroot?
2421[18:34:16] <decci_> petn-randall: any idea?
2422[18:34:23] <jpw> BlueByte: supports both
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2424[18:34:31] <BlueByte> ok thank, i have a look.
2425[18:34:42] <decci_> petn-randall: I have installed a plugin but it is asking for SMTp option
2426[18:35:28] <klys> on the ntfs partitions, grub can still see my files, except that it will not boot due to a data error of some kind. mounting prodices this message in dmesg: [ 8664.064981] traps: mount.ntfs[13085] general protection ip:7f50e9e77bdf sp:7ffc0aa8d490 error:0
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2429[18:36:23] <jpw> klys: are you sure you're not attempting to mount the the windows 'system' hidden partition
2430[18:36:35] <klys> it has two partitions, neither will mount
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2432[18:37:03] <jpw> was bcrypt enabled?
2433[18:37:10] <jpw> bitlocker i mean
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2435[18:37:15] <klys> no
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2440[18:40:02] <hmuller> back, looking for a little help troubleshooting dns (name resolution)
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2442[18:40:19] <jpw> klys: i dont understand, are you trying to boot this device or mount it?
2443[18:41:18] <klys> jpw, I tried both, thank to virt-manager
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2446[18:41:39] <klys> jpw, I'd most prefer to mount it though
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2451[18:44:07] <jpw> can you paste the output of 'sudo parted /dev/device' print command?
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2454[18:45:13] <klys> jpw, replaced-url
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2456[18:47:00] <jpw> and `mount.ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt
2457[18:47:04] <jpw> does not work?
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2460[18:47:28] <klys> Segmentation fault
2461[18:48:21] <jpw> whats the version of ntfs-3g?
2462[18:48:38] <decci_> I have wordpress running on one of Linux machine. I have added a plugin which accept user registration and send email for email confirmation
2463[18:48:45] <decci_> Now I want user to register and they should receive email in the corporate email id like varun@xyz.com
2464[18:48:46] <klys> upgrading the ntfs-3g package now : (1:2016.2.22AR.1-3) over (1:2010.8.8-0ubuntu1)
2465[18:48:51] <decci_> Do I need to install sendmail or configure SMTP?
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2467[18:48:56] <decci_> What config do I need to make to this Linux machine?
2468[18:49:15] <klys> jpw, there is still a Segmentation fault with this version
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2470[18:49:38] <jpw> klys: are you on stretch? can you paste the last ~100 lines of `mount -t ntfs -o debug /dev/sda2 /mnt`
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2472[18:51:32] <klys> jpw, replaced-url
2473[18:52:38] <klys> that's strange it's using libc-2.19
2474[18:54:45] <klys> jpw, replaced-url
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2476[18:55:04] <klys> oh
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2493[18:57:46] <jpw> that looks like a lead, it also looks like you're using ubuntu
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2495[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> 9 11 attacks, Did USA do it itself or it just let it happen?
2496[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> Did USA administration murder 3000 American citizen in 9 11 attacks to justify starting a war against iraq?
2497[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> If al-qaeda did it, why go to kill 2 million Iraqi?
2498[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> replaced-url
2499[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> replaced-url
2500[18:57:52] <mahmoudgebril> Some of the benefits Americans say they achieved after 9 11 attacks include:
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2503[18:58:02] <klys> jpw, sorry about that
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2512[19:03:52] <unborn> decci_: i think wordpress uses mail php function
2513[19:04:30] <decci_> unborn: tested php mail function but it is not sending any email to my gmail or corporate account
2514[19:04:33] <tw> Does sshd's config option HostCertificate have a default value on openssh-server 7.4 (jessie)?
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2516[19:04:57] <unborn> decci_: there can be numerous reasons.. phpmail is installed?
2517[19:05:14] <decci_> unborn: is that the pkg?
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2519[19:05:43] <unborn> decci_: its php module
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2522[19:06:16] <unborn> ah sorry
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2524[19:06:27] <unborn> for that you dont need any module i just realised
2525[19:06:55] <unborn> decci_: check your dns - dkim and spf records and check if your servers ip is not blacklisted
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2528[19:07:22] <unborn> decci_: is that installed on proper server or just on your machine?
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2536[19:08:39] <hmuller> ok, made a little progress. netstat -rn should yield two lines right? one from local to gateway, other from gateway to local?
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2539[19:09:19] <unborn> decci_: perhaps check if you have sendmail installed
2540[19:09:21] <unborn> which sendmail
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2551[19:13:04] <BlueByte> i got 530 Login incorrect. with all user in the new installed vsftpd how do i debug this?
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2553[19:13:21] <lilibox> hi
2554[19:13:38] <lilibox> what is the most straigh way how to mount vfat usb disk?
2555[19:14:22] <lilibox> i am running 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2558[19:15:06] <hmuller> lilibox: but the flashdrive in an open port then run: $ dmesg | tail, that will give you the device. Then ...
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2560[19:15:47] <hmuller> lilibox: run $ sudo mount /dev/<DEVICE> /mnt, then you can view all files at /mnt
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2562[19:16:26] <SunOS> hello
2563[19:16:47] <SunOS> i add this script into /etc/init.d/
2564[19:16:48] <SunOS> replaced-url
2565[19:16:55] <SunOS> but when i try to run it
2566[19:17:19] <SunOS> give it to me a erro
2567[19:17:20] <SunOS> r
2568[19:17:25] <sypher> !enter
2569[19:17:25] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
2570[19:17:27] <lilibox> hmuller: thank you, after that i obtained this: mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
2571[19:17:37] <SunOS> Starting webircgateway (via systemctl): webircgateway.serviceFailed to start webircgateway.service: Unit webircgateway.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
2572[19:17:37] <SunOS> failed!
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2580[19:20:46] <hmuller> lilibox: does running $ sudo modprobe vfat, help?
2581[19:21:14] <lilibox> hmuller: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vfat': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
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2584[19:22:41] <lilibox> hmuller: dmesg log says USB disk is sdc1, so, seems like HW detection works, just vfat is not supported seems like, dunno
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2588[19:23:24] <towo`> lilibox, you have done a kernel-update but not rebooted after?
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2592[19:23:47] <hmuller> lilibox: what does: $ sudo modinfo vfat, say?
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2594[19:24:07] <lilibox> hmuller: towo` : i found also this /sbin/mkfs.vfat
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2596[19:24:29] <hmuller> lilibox: that's just a filesystem tool to create dos filesystems
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2598[19:24:34] <lilibox> and modinfo vfat: filename: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/fat/vfat.ko
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2601[19:25:03] <tw> To answer my own question, it doesn't appear there is a default value of HostCertificate.
2602[19:25:26] <lilibox> hmuller: towo` : replaced-url
2603[19:25:50] <towo`> lilibox, this does not answer my question
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2606[19:26:29] <hmuller> lilibox: ok, you have the module. it is not clear why it is not loading
2607[19:26:50] <towo`> [19:23:24] <towo`> lilibox, you have done a kernel-update but not rebooted after?
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2612[19:28:51] <lilibox> towo`: hmm, maybe, my system runs long time, and during this period i upgraded manytimes, but no restarts
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2615[19:29:13] <towo`> lilibox, then reboot and try again
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2617[19:29:38] <lilibox> ok, lemme wish luck then, :) it is performing remote restart :)
2618[19:29:44] <hmuller> towo`: good catch
2619[19:30:06] <lilibox> i hope system will boot in right order :)
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2627[19:32:43] <rackonnoiter> Hello, all. Any reported issues with encrypted lvm from the graphical installer?
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2632[19:34:05] <teraflops> rackonnoiter: who knows, go read the bug tracker?
2633[19:34:35] <rackonnoiter> Figured I would check here really quick to see if it was mentioned recently.
2634[19:34:40] <rackonnoiter> Thanks, teraflops
2635[19:34:47] <teraflops> np
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2637[19:35:08] <lilibox> hi again, guys, thank for your services
2638[19:35:15] <lilibox> it works
2639[19:35:24] <lilibox> usb disc mounted
2640[19:35:32] <hmuller> alright, I learned that I am missing the default route to the gateway, adding it manually resolves the immediate problem, but why would it be missing in the first place?
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2644[19:36:14] <tw> hmuller: I'd guess your dhcp server didn't give you one, or your static config is in need of update.
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2647[19:36:16] <rackonnoiter> dhcp?
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2650[19:39:13] <hmuller> lilibox: congrats, so reboot after kernel upgrades? ;)
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2659[19:42:44] <tw> The debian 9 rc2 text installer doesn't give me the option to set up the second interface, do I need to do an expert install to bring up the second nic?
2660[19:42:52] <lilibox> hmuller: yes, but does exist anyother way? when I don't want reboot device?
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2664[19:45:31] <hmuller> lilibox: that might be more complicated, than you want. google "upgrade kernel without reboot" and read the first link
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2667[19:46:18] <teraflops> lilibox: yeah rebooting is a good idea but if you just want to check things modprobing the old kernel driver should work
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2669[19:47:14] <teraflops> lilibox: anyway youll have to reboot eventually, if you dont want to, dont install new kernels ^
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2677[19:52:01] <lilibox> yes
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2703[20:06:15] <jackyboy4> i need your help.
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2729[20:18:01] <st3fann> Hey there, I have a server running with a bunch of users running rtorrent, and I want to know why my load is SO high. Peaks at like 30, 40, 50, usually over 4 at least. The CPU use is very low, ram is below 10%, I think it's the I/O, but iotop reads that the disk read is at 20MB/s which is far below SATA capacity
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2734[20:18:17] <st3fann> I really don't know how to diagnose what is going on, could be a possible HDD failure
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2744[20:21:35] <hmuller> figured out the missing route issue. Thanks those of you that provided hints. Took a close look, found dhcplient.conf missing. Reinstalled isc-dhcp-(client|common) and all is back to normal
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2747[20:22:20] <mutante> st3fann: if you want to diagnose if a HDD is going bad, you might want to check "smartctl"/"smartmontools"
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2749[20:22:43] <st3fann> mutante: that is the most possible scenario, eh? I thought so too
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2751[20:23:17] <mutante> st3fann: i don't know, but at least the part that it's I/O and not CPU
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2753[20:23:54] <st3fann> mutante: I have both drives running in RAID0 as well, will that make a difference? and it's a colocated server so don't have physical access. Though I can get them to replace hard drives
2754[20:24:45] <mutante> high load by itself doesnt necessarily mean it's a problem
2755[20:24:52] <mutante> just means many processes are waiting
2756[20:25:21] <st3fann> It is, the web interface is lagging, even SSH takes double or triple the time to authenticate and lags out as well
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2759[20:26:42] <jpw> st3fann: its possible the server just has rubbish disks
2760[20:26:56] <mutante> what you can do is look at output of ps, like ps -ev, to get the "STAT" column
2761[20:27:44] <st3fann> jpw: Very likely actually, but ones that READ this slow? like 20MB/s is the peak this morning and loads are alread yabove 5
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2764[20:28:05] <jpw> i would expect high load with multiple users with multiple torrents. each one competing for disk io. with bad disks this would just compound the issue even with raid0
2765[20:28:33] <st3fann> 6 users at the moment, I would assume average of 100-200 torrents each
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2768[20:28:54] <st3fann> It is a tad high, but I used to run the same with 8+ users on a WORSE spec server, and this was in 2012
2769[20:28:59] <jpw> st3fann: do a `lsof | wc -l` what do you get?
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2776[20:29:42] <st3fann> jpw: still running, I guess it takes a while?
2777[20:29:54] <jpw> no it should be instant
2778[20:30:07] <st3fann> Been running into a lot of that lately
2779[20:30:08] <jpw> well sub second
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2781[20:30:10] <missmbob> call your provider
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2785[20:30:38] <st3fann> replaced-url
2786[20:30:42] <st3fann> ah nice finally
2787[20:30:46] <SamsaraSoup> Hi all, I could really use some help trying to VNC to my debian machine.
2788[20:30:53] <st3fann> jpw: 11607
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2791[20:31:24] <st3fann> SamsaraSoup: what specifically do you need help with
2792[20:32:25] <jpw> st3fann: and iotop will show you actiove io.
2793[20:32:45] <st3fann> jpw: yeah I was looking at iotop earlier, take a look at this
2794[20:32:56] <st3fann> 20:32:48 up 2 days, 22:56, 1 user, load average: 7.15, 7.55, 7.20
2795[20:33:09] <SamsaraSoup> st3fann, I followed a tutorial and believe I have vncserver running correctly. I've enabled vnc access through the firewall but I still can't get access from my other computer.
2796[20:33:12] <st3fann> Disk read is bouncing between 5-18MB/s
2797[20:33:53] <jpw> st3fann: have you installed smartmontools?
2798[20:34:06] <st3fann> jpw: replaced-url
2799[20:34:08] <st3fann> just installed it
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2804[20:35:12] <jpw> and the status?
2805[20:35:24] <Iridos> SamsaraSoup, try to connect to it from the same machine it's running on
2806[20:35:25] <st3fann> what do I run it with? -l >
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2810[20:36:27] <st3fann> jpw: replaced-url
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2814[20:38:15] <LiENUS> is there a way to install openjdk-8-jre-headless right now?
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2816[20:38:33] <LiENUS> ca-certificates-java is marked breaks and openjdk wont install without it
2817[20:38:38] <jpw> st3fann: smartctl -a /dev/sda
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2821[20:39:28] <st3fann> Error Counter logging not supported
2822[20:39:28] <st3fann> Device does not support Self Test logging
2823[20:39:30] <st3fann> jpw: same output :/
2824[20:39:40] <st3fann> with that appended
2825[20:39:56] <jpw> i've just noticed that the smart status is unavailable because of the raid controller.
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2828[20:40:11] <Iridos> what do you mean "marked breaks"
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2830[20:40:23] <LiENUS> Iridos, replaced-url
2831[20:40:24] <st3fann> jpw: yep :/ is that the test method?
2832[20:40:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2833[20:40:42] <st3fann> jpw: I recall going into recovery years ago to test for hardware failure, that was with a different provider though
2834[20:40:44] <SamsaraSoup> Iridos, I tried from the same machine and I noticed the ip address that I enter changes by itself?
2835[20:40:51] <LiENUS> and near as i can tell theres yet to be a fixed ca-certificates-java uploaded
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2837[20:41:42] <missmbob> LiENUS: the last entry in the bug report shows you how someone fixed it #851667
2838[20:41:46] <jpw> st3fann: the only thing I can suggest is to remove all load from the server and write a file double the size of your total ram to disk (to prevent caching) and see if you get the expected throughput.
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2840[20:42:19] <jpw> if something looks off call your provider.
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2843[20:42:32] <st3fann> jpw: I just saw the option for rebooting into recovery, I think that has a web interface with disk testing options, will try that and let them know the results
2844[20:42:39] <SamsaraSoup> Iridos, I enter 192.168.0.140 and it replaces it with 192.168.0.9:5900
2845[20:42:44] <jpw> kk
2846[20:42:53] <st3fann> jpw: thanks so much for your help!
2847[20:43:50] <Iridos> judd, versions ca-certificates-java
2848[20:43:52] <judd> Package: ca-certificates-java on amd64 -- wheezy: 20121112+nmu2; jessie: 20140324; jessie-backports: 20161107~bpo8+1; stretch: 20161107; sid: 20161107
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2850[20:44:13] <Iridos> just means you have to install the version from backports, as intended in the bug
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2855[20:44:52] <st3fann> SamsaraSoup: Yes that is okay, thats the default VNC port
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2857[20:45:22] <st3fann> SamsaraSoup: if you have the computer you are trying to VNC behind a router, you will have to forward ports accordingly, and use that same 5900 port to connect to the VNC server
2858[20:45:49] <Iridos> st3fann, the IP actually changes, it's not just the port being added
2859[20:46:33] <st3fann> Iridos: ah just read the last sentence there, I realize that
2860[20:46:44] <st3fann> SamsaraSoup: what happens if you type 0.0.0.0 as the IP?
2861[20:47:11] <SamsaraSoup> Iridos, st3fann sorry guys ignore the IP thing, I made a mistake.
2862[20:47:16] <Iridos> wwhat client do you use and how can the IP "change" there
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2866[20:48:13] <Iridos> ^ ^
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2872[20:54:13] <LiENUS> thanks missmbob and Iridos i misread that comment and missed the -t jessie-backports
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3020[21:56:17] <greycat> dpkg, no, stretch freeze is <reply>Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see replaced-url
3021[21:56:17] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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3027[21:57:22] <LordThumper> Hi, I am getting random freezes, from past experience what could it be?
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3029[21:57:31] <LordThumper> This is debian stable
3030[21:58:05] <greycat> Hardware failing, kernel bug, driver bug.
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3033[21:58:28] <greycat> What does "uname -a" say?
3034[21:58:34] <bub_> /var/log/ might be your friend
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3043[22:00:58] <LordThumper> I currently don't have access to the machine
3044[22:01:16] <LordThumper> This was a 2 day ago installation
3045[22:01:21] <LordThumper> And I had 3 freezes
3046[22:01:39] <LordThumper> I ran memtester for awhile (online) scan, but got no errors
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3049[22:02:07] <greycat> Did it upgrade to a kernel from the Debian mirrors during install, or did it remain on the kernel on the CD/USBthing?
3050[22:02:23] <LordThumper> Same kernel
3051[22:02:28] <LordThumper> from a USB installation
3052[22:02:34] <greycat> If it's the kernel from the installer, which *exact* version of the installer is it?
3053[22:02:46] <LordThumper> It was either 3.16.x or 3.19.x
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3055[22:02:52] <LordThumper> I'm not 100% sure
3056[22:02:55] <LordThumper> AMD64
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3058[22:03:02] <greycat> The early jessie kernels had a USB bug that caused many computers (including one of mine) to lock up.
3059[22:03:14] <greycat> So you *REALLY* want to make sure you get the latest jessie kernel.
3060[22:03:22] <LordThumper> It was probably a new kernel
3061[22:03:27] <greycat> Stop guessing.
3062[22:03:27] <LordThumper> The installer was new
3063[22:03:41] <LordThumper> I installed it user unetbootinst
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3065[22:03:55] <LordThumper> using unetbootin*
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3070[22:05:03] <SynrG> gain access to the system later and ask us again then
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3075[22:06:06] <LordThumper> will do, thanks
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3084[22:11:23] <nz_> During the aptitude update, it is asking for confirmation before updating the local certificate store.
3085[22:11:38] <nz_> Shall I trust what has been provided ?
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3088[22:12:40] <nz_> i ended up removing 10 certs, and not adding any.
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3090[22:13:18] <LordThumper> Quick (separate) question, I installed memtest86 through apt-get, and it added memtest86 and memtest86+ to bootloader screen. However neither is working (nothing happens of awhile, then I'm returned to bootloader). Any idease?
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3096[22:14:38] <fred1807> need the start torrent service to be the very last one on systemd startup, because my wifi is slow to connect. After.network is not enough. What else could I use?
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3100[22:15:35] <greycat> Well, ideally you would write a service that probes for a working wifi connection, and have your torrent service wait for that.
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3133[22:27:05] <teraflops> fred1807: did you try network-online.target?
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3135[22:27:14] <fred1807> not yet
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3138[22:28:13] <fred1807> how does network-online.target works? Test public internet connectivity?
3139[22:28:21] <fnljk> hey.. Ive installed "debian noroot" (deb8 not requiring "rooting" of the phone) on a "sony xperia z1" phone. Any suggestions where I might find info on particularly useful stuff for it? also, how I can find out what current.. desktop (?) system (example lxde, gnome etc..) is running..? Also, some things seems to require Xserver stuff... that should be fine to install, or..any idea? sry if wr
3140[22:28:24] <fnljk> ..wrong place to ask.. :s
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3142[22:28:48] <teraflops> fred1807: what do you using for setting up the network there?
3143[22:28:54] <teraflops> use*
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3147[22:30:22] <fred1807> This is a music server distro based on Jessy. Not sure, guess wifi is wpa-suppliant
3148[22:30:40] <fred1807> (not a full "Distro", only a project)
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3150[22:31:15] <fnljk> and also eventually if anyone would know if there are any common Deb tools (obtainable thru "apt-get install .." that may enable control of the keyboard and/or mouse from a remote box, and possibly also viewing the screen--or is Vncserver the best and only good choice for that?
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3153[22:31:52] <teraflops> based on or real jessie?
3154[22:32:06] <teraflops> fred1807: replaced-url
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3158[22:33:12] <krysjonaz> Hey doods. I'm having a problem with my Desktop Environment. Or any Desktop Environment. They all seem to hang after I've entered my credentials to the log in screen, and some don't even get to the log in screen - they hand immediately after they're called. Uhh...
3159[22:33:30] <mutante> krysjonaz: full disk?
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3161[22:33:38] <fnljk> teraflops: Not sure if that was for me or not, but either way I'd wanna find out too... - how could one tell if an apparent Debian system is actually "based on" or "real" ( / pure?) Debian.. ?
3162[22:34:07] <teraflops> fnljk: nope sorry it was for fred1807
3163[22:34:14] <fnljk> k..
3164[22:34:15] <menace> fnljk: content of /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
3165[22:34:19] <teraflops> fnljk: no idea about your issue
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3167[22:34:36] <fnljk> menace: oh.. k, thanks!
3168[22:34:45] <krysjonaz> mutante: No, there's still space on each partition
3169[22:35:27] <menace> fnljk: but if you installed stuff from hand, there's no saying what is changed..
3170[22:35:55] <mutante> krysjonaz: can you login without graphical UI? on a text console. can you create new files there?
3171[22:36:23] <krysjonaz> mutante: Yes, that's what I'm logged into right now :D
3172[22:36:33] <fnljk> oh Ive only used the "apt-get install" feature so far. It seems to download it all frmo official debian host, but apparently (i think..-) for "armhf" architecture-version of it.. hmh
3173[22:37:42] <mutante> krysjonaz: how about .. "tail -f /var/log/syslog" in the text console while trying to login on Desktop
3174[22:37:52] <mutante> any errors popping up?
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3176[22:38:07] <krysjonaz> mutante: I tried removing/installing the Desktop Environment, and then playing around with others
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3178[22:38:50] <mutante> krysjonaz: does the "playing" part mean it can't be easily reverted to how it was before?
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3180[22:39:01] <krysjonaz> mutante: Do you mean I have to start my DE on a separate terminal, and then do "tail -f ..." on another one?
3181[22:39:03] <mutante> did it work before?
3182[22:39:31] <mutante> krysjonaz: yes, i mean, Ctrl+Alt+F1 or so to go to a text console
3183[22:39:47] <krysjonaz> mutante: Will do, one second
3184[22:39:58] <mutante> login there and follow the logfile.. then switch back to Ctrl+Alt+F7 and login there .. kind of like that
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3202[22:47:53] <krysjonaz> mutante: It works now! I have no idea what I did, but thanks for the help :D
3203[22:48:33] <mutante> krysjonaz: hah:) well, nice!
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3208[22:49:21] <fred1807> I want to merge some dirs into a /mountpoint, is overlayfs the way to go?
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3214[22:52:58] <krysjonaz> Does anyone have the link to keyboard shortcuts on Debian? I know a few, but I want to rule the universe with an iron fist
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3216[22:53:34] <bazhang> krysjonaz, certainly the debian wiki
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3218[22:54:02] <bazhang> krysjonaz, that would relate to the DE as well
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3220[22:54:42] <greycat> There are so many different *layers* where keys are bound. Which layers are you talking about?
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3227[22:55:50] <jubalh> hi
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3229[22:55:58] <jubalh> i am looking for the tararchive that debootstrat gets
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3231[22:56:09] <jubalh> i suppose it has to be somewhere here? replaced-url
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3236[22:57:42] <fnljk> is there a reverse-ssh kinda program..? It seems I can use ssh-client on my "armhf" (cellphone architecture..) Debian, but for unknown reason am unable to connect to the openssh-server I installed on it.. (no iptable rule blocking.. I dunno what it could be)..
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3239[22:58:08] <krysjonaz> greycat: The one with a blank terminal
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3243[22:58:46] <greycat> Um... what? You mean the Linux text console? Or do you mean Ctrl-Alt-F* to get to one?
3244[22:59:16] <krysjonaz> greycat: Linux text console, I think
3245[22:59:21] <greycat> Or are you talking about editing keybindings within bash?
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3248[23:00:06] <greycat> If you're actually talking about linux magic-sysrq things, I don't know those.
3249[23:00:22] <krysjonaz> greycat: I don't want to edit any. I want to know them :)
3250[23:01:04] <greycat> ...
3251[23:01:23] <greycat> It's like an English speaker trying to talk to a Hindu speaker.
3252[23:01:34] <greycat> Hindi? Sorry if I misspelled.
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3257[23:02:02] <greycat> Can you give an *example* of one of these keybindings that you are talking about, and what it does?
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3259[23:02:20] <krysjonaz> greycat: I don't think it's that bad! Uhh...I'm just not sure how to phrase the question
3260[23:02:35] <greycat> "When I press ___ it does ____ how I learn more!!"
3261[23:02:35] <krysjonaz> greycat: C^c ends the current job
3262[23:02:49] <greycat> Ugh. That's... not a great example.
3263[23:02:58] <greycat> Ctrl-c is defined in the terminal driver level.
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3265[23:03:20] <greycat> This is much lower level than bash, but only operates within terminals that are in specific modes.
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3267[23:03:33] <krysjonaz> greycat: O
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3269[23:03:54] <greycat> If you want to know more about terminal-driver stuff, read "man stty" and replaced-url
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3276[23:05:15] <krysjonaz> greycat: Thanks ^_^
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3287[23:07:43] <fnljk> is it generally a bad idea to install things like.. "apt install libusb* usbprog* libpcap*" without manually going thru and doing something like "apt show <unknownPkgName>" on each of the unknown ones when it ends up with a massive list of "will install:.."? I guess much of it may be useful/good to have anyway.. lol, I prolly over-install stuff at times,but sometime to somehow end broken
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3295[23:09:55] <fnljk> (the times I end up with troubled/error-loaded issues, I think it might have been due to me being a newb; installing as such and overlooking possibly obvious errorneous things,like installing 64bit stuff for a 32bit box,or such.. heh)
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3301[23:12:05] <fnljk> btw if any of u have a smartphone to play with and havent rooted it or installed similar already,id suggest check out "debian noroot" from Google Play appstore.. free and very simply,like a normal app it appears.. and doesn't require root or anything special on the device either,seems to run fine..and afaik gets packages frmo the official Debian repository.. .]
3302[23:12:10] <fnljk> o, link btw.. -> replaced-url
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3327[23:25:20] <Zewwy> Whats the diff between Apache and Tomcat?
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3329[23:26:11] <Zewwy> Apache Tomcat is used to deploy your Java Servlets and JSPs. So in your Java project you can build your WAR (short for Web ARchive) file, and just drop it in the deploy directory in Tomcat. So basically Apache is an HTTP Server, serving HTTP. Tomcat is a Servlet and JSP Server serving Java technologies
3330[23:26:16] <Zewwy> nm haha
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