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• 33[00:14:59] <jmss> Hi, how do I make sure eth0 is ifup'ed on boot? It is configured in interfaces but not brought up on boot.
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• 35[00:15:03] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
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• 37[00:15:23] <jmss> if I ifup eth0, it works
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• 40[00:15:36] <Klaus_Dieter> I am trying to isntall wine32 on and amd64 system and apt yells at me for requesting an impossible situation. what is the preferred way of installing this?
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• 42[00:16:37] <Klaus_Dieter> replaced-url
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• 44[00:17:18] <graytron> jmss: maybe add "auto eth0" line above the "iface eth0 ..." line
• 45[00:18:31] <graytron> jmss: maybe check also "man interfaces"
• 46[00:19:10] <jmss> graytron, it's auto: replaced-url
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• 50[00:19:42] <jmss> I've always used it like this, I suspect it is systemctl's fault
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• 53[00:19:50] <jmss> systemd
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• 74[00:26:14] <graytron> jmss: have you tried adding "allow-hotplug eth0" above "auto eth0"?
• 75[00:26:16] <th0r> jmss, add this to eth0 in interfaces 'iface eth0 inet static'
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• 79[00:28:12] <jmss> th0r, I have, line 35 pastebin
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• 81[00:28:34] <jmss> graytron, will try that
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• 84[00:29:38] <th0r> jmss, my bad....
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• 87[00:30:31] <teraflops> go apologize to systemd :P
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• 90[00:31:09] <jmss> th0r, no prob
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• 94[00:32:22] <debkad> hahaha
• 95[00:32:35] <debkad> i feel that way about systemd
• 96[00:32:45] <graytron> jmss: if that doesn't work, maybe you're missing resolvconf package :)
• 97[00:32:56] <jmss> graytron, it worked
• 98[00:33:05] <debkad> good
• 99[00:33:12] <debkad> congratulation
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• 101[00:33:26] <mado> hello again everyone : )
• 102[00:33:31] <graytron> jmms: great
• 103[00:33:43] <jmss> graytron, it may be so because this board has a pseudo ethernet adapter based on USB
• 104[00:33:59] <jmss> so it may work differently that a real eth card
• 105[00:33:59] <graytron> jmss: probably
• 106[00:34:05] <jmss> but it used to work before
• 107[00:34:10] <debkad> hey mado
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• 109[00:34:38] <mado> debkad: hello : ) ...
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• 113[00:35:50] <debkad> how to debianise everything
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• 115[00:36:19] <mado> i have finally been able to install Debian ... now I guess I have to get used to GNOME - unless I install some other desktop environment ... anyway ... i've run into some for me weird issue ... i thought by using this program where all the packages are listed i could install programs and updates ...
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• 117[00:37:27] <mtn> mado: you mean synaptic?
• 118[00:37:38] <mado> it asked me for my password and it all seemed to work but it looks like i cannot install anything - i've tried installing Pidgin for instance or VLC media player ... but they're nowhere to be found ... and when i tried it via a terminal it said that i will get reported because i'm not allowed to install anything
• 119[00:38:28] <mtn> mado: maybe you are missing part of your sources list: replaced-url
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• 121[00:38:38] <mado> i'm afraid i don't know yet what it's called as unfortunately everything is in German : ) ... it doesn't show certain names when using German ... so far I'm also trying to figure out how to get everything in English and also switch back between those two languages : )
• 122[00:38:57] <teraflops> looks like you're not allowed to run sudo
• 123[00:39:02] <mtn> mado: some programs are in non-free or contrib
• 124[00:39:15] <graytron> sudo always warns about reporting you to the authorities on first run :)
• 125[00:39:24] <teraflops> the reported bit looks like that
• 126[00:40:10] <mado> interesting ... can it say that every time i try it? ... would be a neat thing in the near future when i let younger family members work and play on the computer : )
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• 128[00:40:42] <mado> anyway ... let me qickly check out this sources-link mtn posted
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• 132[00:41:44] <mi11k1> hello, this isn't exactly debian related , but can somebody help me with this script, I wanted to execxute theses commands in xterm for 5 seconds then close. replaced-url
• 133[00:42:11] <graytron> mado: ok, i misunderstood. as teraflops mentioned, you are possibly missing the right to run sudo
• 134[00:42:24] <Aaron> mi11k1: ask in #bash
• 135[00:42:24] <Aaron> ;)
• 136[00:42:28] <Aaron> they might help you
• 137[00:42:32] <mado> weird ... i get a message saying that some dpkg-process was aborted and that i need to manually run a command
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• 139[00:42:36] <mi11k1> ohh ok thanks
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• 141[00:42:53] <mi11k1> mado, apt-get -f install
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• 144[00:43:06] <mado> shall i do that right away before checking the sources-thing?
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• 146[00:43:17] <mi11k1> i would
• 147[00:43:32] <mado> alright
• 148[00:43:48] <Aaron> first try apt-get update; and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 150[00:43:51] <Aaron> and you are good
• 151[00:43:54] <mints> how are debian drivers for macs
• 152[00:44:22] <mi11k1> good as far as i know
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• 154[00:44:39] <mi11k1> for the older intels anyways, i had no probs
• 155[00:44:52] <mado> Aaron: ? i can neither "apt-get update" nor do it with a "sudo" before this
• 156[00:45:04] <teraflops> mints: mac uses intel these days, bcm for wireless can be a pain in the ass though
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• 158[00:45:11] <mi11k1> mado, what do you mean?
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• 161[00:45:19] <mado> says i'm not part of a sudoers-file
• 162[00:45:21] <graytron> mi11k1: instead of newlines try separating commands with semicolon ';' ?
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• 164[00:45:35] <mado> and it again says i'm getting reported :D
• 165[00:45:36] <mi11k1> mado, su
• 166[00:45:46] <mi11k1> mado, then adduser you sudo
• 167[00:45:47] <graytron> mi11k1: and you're missing an ending '
• 168[00:45:56] <Aaron> mado: yeah but when you run the commands. you always run them with root privilages in this case. apt-get
• 169[00:46:11] <Aaron> mado: type adduser user sudo
• 170[00:46:31] <mi11k1> mado, then logout and log back in
• 171[00:46:33] <Aaron> or add your self to /etc/sudoers
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• 173[00:46:38] <mi11k1> or open a new term
• 174[00:46:49] <Aaron> mi11k1: not really you don't need rebooting
• 175[00:46:59] <mi11k1> i just said logout
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• 178[00:47:25] <mado> guys, guys, guys ... please ... let's take this slow : ) ... i'm new to all this ... : )
• 179[00:47:25] <Aaron> not even
• 180[00:47:38] <mado> and don't fight or anything like that : )
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• 183[00:47:50] <mi11k1> haha
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• 187[00:48:09] <debkad> :D
• 188[00:48:13] <graytron> mado: when you installed debian, you probably chose to create a password for root user, correct?
• 189[00:48:27] <mado> i was asked to, yes graytron
• 190[00:48:41] <debkad> that happen to me before
• 191[00:48:58] <mado> alright ... i did the "su" thing in the terminal ...
• 192[00:49:03] <mtn> nothing wrong with using root instead of sudo
• 193[00:49:04] <mado> and tried the apt-get update ...
• 194[00:49:14] <debkad> if you let it blanc and add password for user it will make you poweruser automatically
• 195[00:49:25] <mado> after that i got some error message again ... telling me i had to enter ... dpkg --configure -a
• 196[00:49:28] <mado> which i did
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• 199[00:49:44] <debkad> mtn, not safe for him as he is new
• 200[00:49:45] <mado> now the "apt-get update"-command runs smoothly
• 201[00:49:54] <graytron> mado: what does "groups" list for you as groups?
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• 203[00:49:58] <mtn> debkad: sure it is. just have to pay attention
• 204[00:50:05] <mado> i'd rather not be a poweruser or root or whatever right away : )
• 205[00:50:07] <mtn> debkad: sudo is not any safer at all
• 206[00:50:36] <debkad> mtn, if he forget to exit from root he will make some big issues
• 207[00:50:40] <mado> i'd rather get notified that i need root priviledges for something first : )
• 208[00:50:41] <mi11k1> mado, sudo is temp root provledges
• 209[00:50:49] <mi11k1> its necessary
• 210[00:50:59] <debkad> but sudo it is for a specific action
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• 214[00:51:34] <mado> okay ... so by using "su" right now i am root ... but i'm sure that i can switch back to "regular me" without problems can i not?
• 215[00:51:44] <mi11k1> everexit
• 216[00:51:47] <mi11k1> exit
• 217[00:51:59] <mi11k1> now add yousekf to sudo
• 218[00:51:59] <mado> : ) thought so ... but i wanted to make sure
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• 220[00:52:06] <mi11k1> adduser yourmuser sudo
• 221[00:52:13] <mi11k1> then exit
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• 225[00:52:52] <mi11k1> the sudo apt-get will work, but you might need to open a new term ot whatever
• 226[00:53:00] <mado> okay ... i just did that but check this out -> mario cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner bluetooth
• 227[00:53:08] <mado> this is what it tells me when i enter "groups"
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• 229[00:53:20] <mi11k1> those are tthe grouos you are in
• 230[00:53:32] <mado> yes ... i thought i was added to the sudo group too now?
• 231[00:53:37] <mi11k1> notoce no sudo?
• 232[00:53:47] <mi11k1> ohh, you should be
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• 234[00:53:50] <graytron> mado: ok, so you might want to add yourself to "sudo" group, as suggested, but it is not necessary
• 235[00:53:53] <mi11k1> open a new term
• 236[00:54:18] <mado> new term opened
• 237[00:54:22] <graytron> mado: if you add yourself to a new group, you probably have to log out of gnome and back in for the changes to take effect
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• 239[00:54:24] <mi11k1> now try sudo
• 240[00:55:14] <mi11k1> yah, ive already mentioned, that but the politcal correctness police started
• 241[00:55:30] <mado> ?
• 242[00:55:38] <mi11k1> like this should have been resolved along time ago
• 243[00:55:40] <mi11k1> mado,
• 244[00:55:41] <debkad> logout
• 245[00:55:42] <mado> i didn't see anyone doing any political correctness thing : )
• 246[00:55:45] <debkad> disconnect
• 247[00:56:00] <mi11k1> mado, does it work or what?
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• 250[00:56:06] <mado> one moment ..
• 251[00:56:16] <mi11k1> try sudo apt-get update
• 252[00:56:28] <mado> let's take it slow : ) ... not yet ... i will now try the logout log back in thing : )
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• 257[00:56:50] <mi11k1> thats a little too slow, why dont you try it first
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• 260[00:57:07] <mi11k1> usually just close the term and open a new one
• 261[00:57:32] <mi11k1> hit arrow up a few times
• 262[00:57:38] <mi11k1> and push enter
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• 267[00:58:34] <mi11k1> thats too much
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• 270[01:00:06] <mado> and back ... now with a new problem : ) ... the terminal won't launch any more
• 271[01:00:20] <mi11k1> what?
• 272[01:00:28] <mi11k1> what term?
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• 274[01:00:46] <mado> i tried opening it ... there was some loading and then nothing
• 275[01:01:09] <mi11k1> use ctrl alt f1
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• 277[01:01:16] <mi11k1> f7 to get back
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• 279[01:01:29] <mi11k1> ctrl alt f7 or f6v i forgrt
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• 281[01:01:41] <mado> F7 : ) ...
• 282[01:01:47] <teraflops> mado: gnome?
• 283[01:02:16] <mado> alright ... this helped ... it shows i'm now part of the sudo group : ) ... ... yes, teraflops i'm using gnome, if that is what you're asking
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• 285[01:02:31] <mado> i thought i should give this one a try first before using something else maybe : )
• 286[01:02:44] <mi11k1> now try yur update and upgrade
• 287[01:03:03] <teraflops> go to tty and install another terminal emulator, then under gnome open launch gnome-terminal from the terminal emulator you installed
• 288[01:03:06] <mado> one the F1-side? ... even though the terminal doesn't launch?
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• 290[01:03:25] <mi11k1> try terminator
• 291[01:03:35] <mi11k1> apt-get install terminator
• 292[01:03:35] <teraflops> mado: yeah on tty
• 293[01:04:01] <teraflops> mi11k1: I recall gnome-terminal not running if your locales are messed
• 294[01:04:25] <mi11k1> yah, i dont use it, well mate and plasma or openbox
• 295[01:04:44] <mi11k1> i guess mate is gnome2 maybe
• 296[01:05:14] <teraflops> I just dont remember the error, if you launch gnome terminal from another terminal emulator youll see the output enf the error message (hopefully)
• 297[01:05:49] <mado> okay ... i did the apt-get update ... i installed gnome-terminal ... and i installed terminator ...
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• 300[01:06:16] <teraflops> mado: wait you already have gnome terminal I guess
• 301[01:06:17] <mi11k1> do apt-get dist-upgrade too
• 302[01:06:27] <mi11k1> who knows
• 303[01:06:37] <debkad> his terminal didn't launch i think
• 304[01:06:42] <mi11k1> maybe thats why it didibt work
• 305[01:06:52] <mado> dist-upgrade ... done ...
• 306[01:07:05] <mado> yes ... the terminal didn't launch ... terminator does
• 307[01:07:13] <debkad> after dist-upgrade it need to reboot
• 308[01:07:18] <mi11k1> no
• 309[01:07:24] <debkad> o_o
• 310[01:07:26] <mado> it didn't ask for a reboot
• 311[01:07:42] <mado> do you want me to reboot, debkad ?
• 312[01:07:43] <mi11k1> i do sometimes if its kernel related
• 313[01:07:59] <debkad> i had some problems when i do dist-upgrade until i reboot, but may be that only me o_o
• 314[01:08:00] <mi11k1> do whatever floats yer boat
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• 316[01:08:28] <mado> well if i don't need to do one right now i'd rather stay at first : )
• 317[01:08:39] <debkad> ok that wiz
• 318[01:08:45] <mi11k1> well, stay then
• 319[01:08:52] <mado> sooo ... what do you want me to do now?
• 320[01:09:01] <mi11k1> format c:
• 321[01:09:06] <mado> yeah right : )
• 322[01:09:07] <teraflops> run gnome-terminal
• 323[01:09:09] <mado> *chuckle*
• 324[01:09:29] <teraflops> mado: from terminator
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• 326[01:10:05] <debkad> teraflops, brilliant idea
• 327[01:10:41] <teraflops> mado: look at the text output in terminator's window
• 328[01:10:44] <debkad> i guess to show what happen
• 329[01:11:30] <mado> replaced-url
• 330[01:11:31] <teraflops> look for error fatal dang and so on :P
• 331[01:11:44] <mado> the error message i get when trying to open it
• 332[01:11:46] <teraflops> mado: yeah locales
• 333[01:11:54] <teraflops> what I said
• 334[01:12:22] <mado> so what does this mean? ... just because i hopefully got everything in English now it won't launch?
• 335[01:12:29] <teraflops> fix your locales then
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• 339[01:13:46] <debkad> it is locale
• 340[01:13:49] <teraflops> it means gnome.terminal is sooo picky with the locales
• 341[01:14:08] <teraflops> s/./-
• 342[01:14:26] <mado> what does that mean in plain English?
• 343[01:14:37] <teraflops> mado: how did you setup locales?
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• 345[01:14:50] <mado> i don't even know what "locale/s" means right now
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• 347[01:14:54] <graytron> mado: are you sure you're not logged in as root?
• 348[01:14:58] <graytron> mado: in gnome
• 349[01:15:31] <graytron> you shouldn't
• 350[01:15:50] <mado> how will i find that out? ... when clicking on the battery thing in the top right corner it uses my name, graytron
• 351[01:15:57] <mado> my name ... not "root"
• 352[01:16:02] <debkad> mado, locale-gen as root then the same for localectl set-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" ( for utf-8 ) you need may be reboot to take effect
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• 354[01:16:35] <graytron> mado: seems like your safe there :)
• 355[01:16:50] <mado> : ) ... okay graytron
• 356[01:16:50] <teraflops> mado: localectl status
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• 358[01:17:03] <mado> debkad: ... that doesn't explain yet what all this means
• 359[01:17:58] <debkad> mado, the first one it regenerate locale
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• 362[01:18:23] <teraflops> mado: share the output of localectl status
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• 364[01:19:19] <mado> debkad: again ... i have no idea what "locale" means here : ) ...
• 365[01:19:24] <mado> teraflops: one moment
• 366[01:19:33] <debkad> mado, it is about language
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• 368[01:19:58] <mado> okay ... that helps a little further : )
• 369[01:20:15] <bazhang> mado, amreican english, british english etc etc
• 370[01:20:38] <debkad> mado, type the command localectl it will show you the output and you will understand what it mean :) like teraflops said
• 371[01:21:03] <mado> replaced-url
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• 373[01:21:20] <mtcj> Amreican English is primarily spoken by living in East America.
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• 375[01:21:52] <teraflops> I cannot see english there
• 376[01:22:06] <debkad> it is german
• 377[01:22:35] <mado> what i'd like to have is an operating system incl. programs to be all in English and German ... i'd like to be able to switch between those languages at will ... if it requires for changes to take effect or the old logout and right back in i don't care ...
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• 379[01:22:44] <teraflops> mado: did you set english in gnome configuration?
• 380[01:23:07] <mtcj> mado: is this for an organization or team for example?
• 381[01:23:17] <teraflops> mado: again I dont see english locales generated
• 382[01:23:18] <mado> numbers, calender, dates, whatever should be in German and English as well ... and my keyboard layout should be the Austrian one please
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• 385[01:23:44] <mado> does this help you guys to give you an idea what's right or wrong with my "locale"-thing?
• 386[01:23:49] <teraflops> heh
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• 388[01:24:02] <mado> because i'm a little confused right now - sorry : )
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• 393[01:24:44] <teraflops> mado: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 397[01:25:23] <teraflops> mado: you can pick more than one locale
• 398[01:25:42] <mado> okay but what exactly is the "locale" now? ... is it my keyboard layout?
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• 400[01:25:49] <mado> is it my numbers, dates, etc?
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• 402[01:25:59] <mado> the operating system and programs' language?
• 403[01:26:13] <mado> or all of it together?
• 404[01:26:37] <mado> and the things i say are merely sub categories of this big thing called "locale" ?
• 405[01:26:52] <teraflops> mado: e.g mine replaced-url
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• 409[01:27:32] <mado> thank you ... i'm still not exactly sure though what it means
• 410[01:27:38] <mado> i see Spanish there
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• 413[01:28:43] <teraflops> mado: just reconfigure locales and go to gnome control pannel and select the keyb layout and language you want since you need to setup locales for X too, then reboot for the sake of our sanity
• 414[01:28:56] <teraflops> mado: yeah im spanish :P
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• 416[01:30:06] <debkad> ah
• 417[01:30:19] <mado> now it's getting difficult ... how do i know which ones i need when i don't completely understand what all this is about?
• 418[01:30:40] <mado> let's try this ...
• 419[01:30:49] <mado> explain it to me as if i was a child : )
• 420[01:30:53] <mado> *chuckle*
• 421[01:30:57] <teraflops> mado: which languages you want in your system
• 422[01:31:02] <teraflops> ^?
• 423[01:31:18] <teraflops> german + english?
• 424[01:31:51] <debkad> mado, i even don't know why it is called locale but i know it is something about language/keyboard stuff
• 425[01:31:51] <mado> right now ... English and German ... so that the family members i'm with right now could use the computer too
• 426[01:32:19] <teraflops> so pick the nes you want from the list, the utf8 ones
• 427[01:32:25] <teraflops> ones*
• 428[01:32:29] <mado> some time later in the future (when exactly i don't know yet) i may need additional languages : )
• 429[01:32:34] <debkad> mado, you need only one language as the standard and then add any other one and choose what key to switch ( it is called layout )
• 430[01:32:40] <teraflops> mado: ok no problem
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• 440[01:35:38] <mado> got some error there
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• 444[01:36:13] <amoise> So I'm trying to launch an app in Wine, and the app complains that it can't connect to the internet and then quits. I think it's a 32 bit app, and I see some out-of-date-looking information on the web saying I need to do something special for wine DNS in 32-bit apps, but poking around I couldn't make it work.
• 445[01:36:21] <amoise> Or should I be asking this in a Wine support channel?
• 446[01:36:35] <mado> replaced-url
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• 450[01:37:22] <teraflops> why en_US and en_GB?
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• 452[01:37:40] <mado> because i wasn't sure which one got better support : )
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• 455[01:38:18] <teraflops> mado: also notice the first failure as in your locales was already borked ^
• 456[01:38:27] <teraflops> just pick en_US
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• 458[01:38:36] <mado> i once stumbled upon some article that said some prograsm work better with one English version than the other
• 459[01:38:51] <mado> alright ... i'll de-select en_GB then
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• 462[01:39:26] <mado> okay - done
• 463[01:39:48] <teraflops> it's generated fine? no error?
• 464[01:40:02] <mado> now i need to write down this command so that i will hopefully know it in the future
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• 467[01:40:27] <teraflops> then reboot and start gnome and go to gnome control panel to keyboard or language I dont remember it's by there
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• 469[01:40:36] <mado> replaced-url
• 470[01:40:48] <mado> looks error free to me ... but maybe i've overlooked something?
• 471[01:40:51] <teraflops> once there chek the keyb layout and the system language
• 472[01:41:10] <teraflops> mado: nah it's fine
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• 474[01:42:05] <mado> alright ... see you in a few bits after the reboot
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• 476[01:42:09] <teraflops> k
• 477[01:43:01] <maxcell_> teraflops, hello there
• 478[01:43:14] <teraflops> maxcell_: hi ;)
• 479[01:43:26] <maxcell_> teraflops, the rain drops the electricity
• 480[01:43:46] <maxcell_> teraflops, so i leave
• 481[01:43:55] <teraflops> wow
• 482[01:43:57] <teraflops> heh
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• 484[01:44:20] <debkad> oh
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• 486[01:44:33] <maxcell_> yeah
• 487[01:44:55] <debkad> not good
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• 495[01:52:01] <mado> alright ... i'm back : )
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• 497[01:52:33] <mado> now what did you say? ... we shall now check the keyboard layout and something else
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• 504[01:57:15] <mado> debkad: and others?
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• 506[01:57:38] <debkad> mado, english fixed already?
• 507[01:57:55] <mado> i don't know yet ... i was just asked to reboot ... so i rebooted : )
• 508[01:58:22] <debkad> localectl will tell you if english is their or not
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• 510[01:58:41] <teraflops> then reboot and start gnome and go to gnome control panel to keyboard or language I dont remember it's by there
• 511[01:58:49] <teraflops> once there check the keyb layout and the system language
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• 513[02:00:23] <mado> welcome back teraflops : )
• 514[02:00:26] <mado> -> replaced-url
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• 516[02:00:48] <mado> i thought you had left : )
• 517[02:01:13] <mado> the gnome terminal still won't launch
• 518[02:01:26] <mado> i guess because of the X11 layout? *wondering out loud*
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• 520[02:02:35] <debkad> X11 Layout: de should be X11 Layout: en
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• 522[02:03:01] <mado> i've also noticed the menu entries in the system settings are all in German : )
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• 525[02:04:22] <mado> keyboard lists some languages ...
• 526[02:04:24] <mado> so let's see ...
• 527[02:04:33] <mado> language: German
• 528[02:04:37] <debkad> mado, in anyway you can edit /etc/default/locale and make inside it: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" next line LANGUAGE="en_US"
• 529[02:04:39] <mado> formats: Austrian
• 530[02:04:52] <mado> input sources: German | English
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• 533[02:05:38] <debkad> for layout it is easy by accessing the keyboard layout and add the language you want
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• 537[02:05:55] <debkad> you must fix the locale first
• 538[02:06:08] <mado> okay ... one moment ...
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• 540[02:06:19] <mado> i am editing the /etc/... thing via sudo gedit
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• 542[02:06:36] <debkad> ok
• 543[02:06:50] <debkad> change the LANG and LANGUAGE
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• 545[02:07:11] <debkad> may be the reboot is needed after
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• 549[02:08:37] <mado> the file content is now -> replaced-url
• 550[02:08:42] <teraflops> mado: at least restart gnome
• 551[02:09:12] <mado> i will now reboot
• 552[02:09:22] <mado> unless you have any objections
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• 554[02:09:51] <debkad> mado, comment out LANGUAGE
• 555[02:09:56] <debkad> remove the #
• 556[02:10:40] <mado> the # was there before : ) ... so i thought i should leave it : ) ... ... it's removed
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• 558[02:10:51] <debkad> good
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• 560[02:10:57] <mado> and now on for the reboot? : )
• 561[02:11:04] <debkad> yeah
• 562[02:11:10] <mado> okay ... see you in a few bits : )
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• 571[02:14:58] <mado> okay ...
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• 573[02:15:19] <mado> debkad: and teraflops -> i'm back ... unfortunately though some things are still in German : )
• 574[02:15:38] <debkad> terminal opened without problem?
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• 576[02:15:40] <mado> the keyboard layout can be changed i saw via SUPER + SPACE
• 577[02:15:47] <debkad> good
• 578[02:15:53] <mado> the terminal still won't open
• 579[02:15:58] <debkad> that you can do it from keyboard layout
• 580[02:16:01] <debkad> ah
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• 582[02:17:23] <mado> sooo ... what have we forgotten? ... what shall we do now?
• 583[02:18:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1645
• 584[02:18:10] <debkad> make sure there is en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 inside your /etc/locale.alias (uncommented)
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• 586[02:18:33] <debkad> that all i can do, i must go for sleep sorry mado
• 587[02:18:41] <mado> when will you be back debkad ?
• 588[02:18:53] <debkad> mado, tomorrow
• 589[02:19:04] <mado> alright but when? :)
• 590[02:19:05] <debkad> it is 01pm
• 591[02:19:34] <debkad> at 15
• 592[02:19:43] <debkad> 01am *
• 593[02:19:52] <binaryc> Does ssh daemon create ssh session as root from hostname to self ? (after /etc/init.d/ssh start i see root PID that is ssh session to self ) had security concern earlier and confirming all is working OK in restored backup.
• 594[02:19:53] <mado> gotcha ... no worries ... i read past that ; ) ...
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• 596[02:20:14] <mado> sooo ... okay ... 14 more hours ... i think i can be online then ... and if not ... a little later then ...
• 597[02:20:37] <mado> depends on how much work i get to do : )
• 598[02:20:43] <debkad> mado, just follow how you can setup locale in debian wiki, you will be fine i'm sure
• 599[02:20:44] <mado> thanks for your help so far debkad : )
• 600[02:20:59] <debkad> No problem :) bye
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• 602[02:21:14] <mado> Good bye! ... Good night!
• 603[02:21:18] <_unreal_> just plugged my NAS into my network, is there a sniffer cli command I can run to get a list of IP devices on the network?
• 604[02:21:21] <debkad> thanks
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• 610[02:23:09] <mado> teraflops: ... the file debkad asked me to check out ... there's a whole lot of languages in there i didn't even pick ...
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• 612[02:23:24] <mado> there's a comment in it though that says it is obsolete
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• 615[02:23:38] <mado> and is only kept around for some backwards compatibility
• 616[02:23:47] <binaryc> _unreal_: nmap 192.168.0.0/24
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• 618[02:23:56] <_unreal_> nmap thats it
• 619[02:23:59] <_unreal_> been a long time
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• 622[02:24:21] <binaryc> can write soemthing better than that that probes and gets macs and whatnot too. but that should get you by
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• 624[02:24:45] <mado> i think i will come back later as well ... and rest soon
• 625[02:25:05] <mado> catch you all later : )
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• 628[02:27:43] <_unreal_> yay found it
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• 630[02:27:55] <_unreal_> 192.168.1.100
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• 633[02:30:00] <algoster> hello world , I am trying to install debian to a PC to which currently I don't have internet access so I was trying to instal the multi arch bt-dvd.iso but it seems that if it can't connect to DHCP there will be no desktop environment available during the instalation , when I boot it up I can use only the console , is this normal ? is there any way I can install a desktop environment to the networkless PC ?
• 634[02:32:15] <rjsalts> algoster: um, it shouldn't require a network to install from dvd
• 635[02:34:04] <rjsalts> algoster: you would want to install one of the desktop/gnome-desktop/kde-desktop/xfce-desktop tasks, which you should see as one of the steps of the install dvd
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• 638[02:38:00] <algoster> during configuration of the ''Software selection'' there are only two options to check , debian desktop environment / standard system utilities , the rest like , gnome/xfce/kde /print server /ssh server are not there
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• 642[02:41:13] <algoster> should I go for the regular dvd download instead of bt ?
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• 646[02:43:10] <rjsalts> algoster: it's nothing to do with downloading via bittorrent or not. I thought that the gnome de was on the first dvd, but I might be wrong
• 647[02:44:12] <algoster> hmm
• 648[02:44:26] <algoster> ''gnome de''?
• 649[02:47:48] <algoster> so that might be it , non of the desktop env are on the first dvd
• 650[02:47:53] <rjsalts> algoster: but you said it was a multi-arch dvd
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• 652[02:48:02] <algoster> ye
• 653[02:48:10] <algoster> yes
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• 658[02:51:51] <rjsalts> algoster: I think it's a case of those tasks not fitting on the multi-arch dvd #1 because it has to have both amd64 packages and i386. It looks like at least some of gnome is there, but maybe not enough for a complete gnome DE
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• 660[02:54:46] <rjsalts> algoster: just looking at replaced-url
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• 666[03:03:34] <algoster> ok , thank you
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• 669[03:05:23] <hamsheet> I have a pentium ii that i want to install Debian on it. Which is the last version of Debian that I can install on it?
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• 671[03:06:18] <dvs> hamsheet, Debian 8.6
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• 673[03:07:32] <hamsheet> dvs: are you saying that the current debian should run on it?
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• 675[03:08:01] <hamsheet> this thing has 196mb ram
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• 678[03:09:37] <dvs> hamsheet, it will run but it also depends what desktop environment you run on it. KDE and Gnome would not be recommended
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• 687[03:11:46] <dvs> hamsheet, and you'd have to run the i386 variant because the Pentium II won't handle 64-bit instructions.
• 688[03:11:51] <rjsalts> hamsheet: even xfce might be stretching the friendship
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• 712[03:22:54] <N0Lif3> what's the Debian log-in gui called?
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• 715[03:23:23] <N0Lif3> Whatever this is called before my desktop environment loads in
• 716[03:23:23] <iKarith> N0Lif3: There's more than one. Which desktop did you install?
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• 718[03:23:50] <N0Lif3> whatever was bundle with system utilities
• 719[03:24:56] <marcidy> Are the installation links supposed to be dead on debian.org right now? e.g. replaced-url
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• 722[03:25:43] <iKarith> short answer: It's gdm3 if you don't know what desktop you used. But it could also be lightdm (XFCE or LXDE), kdm (KDE), and there are other choices as well. Including xdm which is still a thing that people use.
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• 724[03:26:03] <iKarith> If you didn't pick any desktops, Debian used Gnome 3.
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• 727[03:27:57] <N0Lif3> I just checked synaptic and gdm3 isn't installed
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• 729[03:28:15] <N0Lif3> I did two fresh installs recently as I was testing desktop environments.
• 730[03:28:38] <N0Lif3> I did an install with XFCE and it gave this login gui before loading XFCE.
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• 733[03:28:46] <N0Lif3> Now I'm running Cinnamon and it has it
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• 737[03:29:55] <N0Lif3> marcidy: I was getting really slow direct-download speeds with that 8.5.0 AMD 64 iso
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• 739[03:30:14] <N0Lif3> when I downloaded it a few days ago. I'm seeding the official torrent for it right now
• 740[03:30:18] <N0Lif3> the torrent was super fast
• 741[03:30:29] <N0Lif3> marcidy: here's the magnet link to it. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:dadff1f371d577eb13bfd6fb20261b20cfa41f7b&dn=debian-8.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbttracker.debian.org%3a6969%2fannounce
• 742[03:30:36] <hamsheet> rjsalts: I will try fluxbox
• 743[03:30:57] <N0Lif3> Cinnamon, imo, is the only decent desktop environment.
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• 745[03:31:23] <MrRobot_> i have a problem i cannot open gparted or synaptic from gui , i am using debian 8.6 , i reinstalled the gnome but nothing happened still facing problem
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• 747[03:31:27] <MrRobot_> plz elp
• 748[03:31:33] <tom99> iKarith, I must know all the things. What is xdm and how do I get it.
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• 750[03:31:56] <tom99> MrRobot: What happens if you open a terminal and type "dpkg -l | grep gparted"?
• 751[03:31:58] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: run it from the terminal see if it prints error
• 752[03:32:50] <hamsheet> maybe install another desktop manager as well to try with other window managers
• 753[03:32:52] <MrRobot_> tom99: it displayed this " gparted 0.19.0-2 amd64 GNOME partition editor"
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• 756[03:33:28] <tom99> MrRobot_, my understanding is that refers to version 0.19.0 and the release number is 2 for debian, which I guess means it's the second time debian has released this particular package?
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• 758[03:33:46] <MrRobot_> tom99: what to do now
• 759[03:33:48] <tom99> also you appear to be using amd64
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• 761[03:33:58] <tom99> run gparted from the command line and see what it says
• 762[03:34:34] <MrRobot_> tom99: i can only open gparted using "sudo gksudo gparted" from terminal
• 763[03:35:02] <MrRobot_> tom99: how to open gparted from terminal
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• 765[03:35:54] <tom99> damn. well you could try that but I don't know much about how sudo works
• 766[03:35:56] <MrRobot_> tom99: gparted opened when i entered " sudo gparted" from terminla
• 767[03:36:03] <tom99> like sometimes it works sometimes it doesnn't
• 768[03:36:14] <tom99> MrRobot: Is it supposed to be root-only program?
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• 770[03:36:24] <iKarith> tom99: xdm is an alternative GUI login daemon, the original one actually, for X11. It's pretty ugly/basic, but if you want a reference implementation X Display Manager, well, it's the X Display Manager. You don't really want it unless you hate all these modern things. :)
• 771[03:36:32] * iKarith uses lightdm
• 772[03:36:53] <tom99> Also if you want to add it to the desktop later if you're using Gnome then go System Tools -> Preferences -> Main Menu and then click the Add button to manually add a command to the gnome desktop in debian
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• 774[03:38:27] <tom99> ikarith: Tell me how to install lightdm. Emperor Lelouch Vi Brittania commands you!
• 775[03:38:44] <MrRobot_> tom99:what to do now
• 776[03:39:02] <iKarith> Which reminds me, I need to send the Ubuntu patch to #691627 that allows lightdm
• 777[03:39:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 779[03:40:30] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: what to do now
• 780[03:41:05] <MrRobot_> i have a problem i cannot open gparted / synaptic from gui , i am using debian 8.6 , i reinstalled the gnome but nothing happened still facing problem
• 781[03:41:13] <tom99> lol kk
• 782[03:41:37] <MrRobot_> tom99: any solutions??
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• 790[03:45:13] <MrRobot_> plz help me resolve my problem , i cannot open programs from gui , i am using gnome ...
• 791[03:45:49] <tom99> MrRobot: well if the sudo command worked and you really want to put it in gui
• 792[03:46:05] <tom99> you could try my idea for menu item and put in the text "sudo gparted" i suppose. is that what you want?
• 793[03:46:20] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: was there any error printed in the terminal
• 794[03:46:38] <tom99> he said it runs but only with sudo
• 795[03:46:48] <hamsheet> Well yeah, it nneeds sudo
• 796[03:46:51] <hamsheet> it is a root app
• 797[03:47:05] <th0r> gparted and synaptic are both going to require sudo...they won't run as user
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• 799[03:47:26] <hamsheet> it should ask for the sudo password, if the user is set sudo
• 800[03:47:33] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: i was able to open these app from gui and they prompted fro root password
• 801[03:47:55] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: but i cannot open them except from terminal
• 802[03:48:02] <hamsheet> yeah that is what I am saying, gnome pass manager normally asks for such access
• 803[03:48:13] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: what to do nowe
• 804[03:48:31] <tom99> is there a way to fix the gnome password manager or something so it can be run in GUI?
• 805[03:48:32] <hamsheet> I just run it from the terminal and I do not use gnome personally
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• 807[03:49:04] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: create a desktop shortcut with sudo gparted as the command entry
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• 810[03:50:02] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: It is better that you get used to the terminal ;)
• 811[03:50:15] <th0r> tom99, check /usr/share/applications for the .desktop file for the app, then check the path/filename in that file to make sure it is valid
• 812[03:50:28] <hamsheet> you can create a shortcut that runs the termianl with sudo automatically, search the net
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• 815[03:51:28] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: also my volume doesnt open from gui, i have to open terminal and type sudo mount .... command to mount that
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• 818[03:52:11] <th0r> tom99, if the file doesn't exist (gparted.desktop for example) you will need to create it to get the menu entry
• 819[03:52:19] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: shortcut -> xterm -e "sudo gparted"
• 820[03:52:52] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: I have that issue with Pcmanfm too, not sure
• 821[03:53:03] <hamsheet> try installing Thunar or another file manager
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• 824[03:53:21] <hamsheet> sometimes updates mess up user access , i had those issues
• 825[03:53:30] <hamsheet> I generally mount shit on the command linen
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• 827[03:54:09] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: install "pmount", it will let you mount external drives without sudo
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• 829[03:54:29] <hamsheet> with write access
• 830[03:54:48] <tom99> alright I figured out how to add a user to the sudo group. You become the root user and then type the magical incantation "sudo adduser MrRobot sudo"
• 831[03:54:58] <tom99> And be sure to wave your phoenix feather wand over the monitor too
• 832[03:55:02] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: i upgraded yesterday to debian 8.6 and from that time i facing these issues
• 833[03:55:07] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: If the drive is your standard drive add it to "fstab"
• 834[03:55:11] <tom99> that will add MrRobot to the sudoers group, but you have to log in and log out to make it work
• 835[03:55:21] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: upgrade messes shit up sometimes, sorry about that
• 836[03:55:35] <MrRobot_> hamsheet: the drive is internal
• 837[03:55:41] <tom99> th0r: ok
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• 839[03:55:45] <hamsheet> yeah then add it to "fstab"
• 840[03:55:50] <hamsheet> then it will mount automatically
• 841[03:55:56] <hamsheet> during boot
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• 845[03:56:19] <hamsheet> also gnome has drive manager I believe, try using it
• 846[03:56:34] <hamsheet> i donot remember what it is called, might be volume manager or something
• 847[03:56:41] <hamsheet> gnome is too bulky for my needs
• 848[03:56:46] <tom99> th0r: the issue i was wondering is how to make sure gnome password correctly asks you for the sudo or root password to work correctly
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• 851[03:58:30] <MrRobot_> hamsheet:any best diplay manger then gnome
• 852[03:58:31] <tom99> hamsheet: I tried adding "sudo gparted" as a shortcut and it didn't work, but xterm -e "sudo gparted" did. thanks the spell fellow linux wizard
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• 855[03:59:02] <hamsheet> MrRobot_: xfce? Lxde? I use fluxbox it is barebones. You can also try Awesome, it is great as well
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• 857[03:59:34] <abrotman> DM is not LXDE
• 858[03:59:36] <hamsheet> If you want features with speed, probably lxde is good
• 859[03:59:51] <abrotman> GDM/KDM/SLIM, etc .. Window manageR? Desktop Environment?
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• 862[04:00:14] <tom99> damn so we have slim/lxde/xfce/xdm and fluxbox so far as potential window managers
• 863[04:00:16] <tom99> that is a lot
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• 865[04:00:33] <abrotman> MrRobot_: You'll likely hvae to try several Desktop Environments/Window Managers to find one you like.
• 866[04:00:42] <hamsheet> tom99: that is probably %5 of it
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• 868[04:00:54] <abrotman> tom99: no, XDM/SLIM are not window managers
• 869[04:00:54] * iKarith breaks out dpkg-buildpackage... Let's hope he still remembers how to use it? ;)
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• 871[04:01:15] <abrotman> and technically, neither is LXDE or XFCE
• 872[04:01:16] <TomTomTosch> the problem is still that gparted doesn't start from gui?
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• 875[04:01:57] <hamsheet> abrotman: true, window managers are not desktop environments, dm rely on window managers
• 876[04:02:05] <iKarith> Gotta say, having quilt built in is waaaaaay better than what we used to have to do for this kind of thing.
• 877[04:02:06] <TomTomTosch> because a different DE will not help.
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• 879[04:02:33] *** fstd_ is now known as fstd
• 880[04:02:41] * iKarith remembers the introduction of DBS, something used by large packages that was basically a monster hack.
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• 885[04:04:23] <Bear_> yo
• 886[04:04:29] <Bear_> It's impossible to download debian right now
• 887[04:04:33] <Bear_> the netinstalle rdownload links are borked
• 888[04:04:39] <Bear_> replaced-url
• 889[04:04:46] <Bear_> replaced-url
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• 891[04:05:40] <Bear_> all are borked
• 892[04:05:44] <abrotman> Bear_: replaced-url
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• 895[04:05:55] <abrotman> the website will be updated in a day or so
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• 897[04:06:07] <Bear_> why is it broken
• 898[04:06:12] <equilibrio> replaced-url
• 899[04:06:14] <abrotman> just had a point release
• 900[04:06:15] <equilibrio> :P
• 901[04:06:21] <Bear_> why is it broken
• 902[04:06:25] <abrotman> I just told you
• 903[04:06:32] <Bear_> that shouldn't break it
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• 905[04:06:37] <abrotman> Okay
• 906[04:06:43] <Bear_> I thought they used a deployment script for this stuff
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• 909[04:07:27] <tom99> dpkg-buildpackage sounds heavy duty iKarith
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• 911[04:07:29] <Bear_> My friend is learning Linux
• 912[04:07:46] <tom99> iKarith: Teach me sensei, the ways of debian-fu
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• 914[04:07:49] <Bear_> he asked about Gentoo (I jokingly say to install it)
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• 916[04:08:05] <Bear_> I told him about Debian and Ubuntu, avoid Arch / Manjaro
• 917[04:08:48] <Bear_> I also said to get LXDE becuase he comes from Windows
• 918[04:09:08] <Bear_> he ignored my advice to use a VM. He's installing it on his PC
• 919[04:09:22] <abrotman> this would be easier to follow on a single line ..
• 920[04:09:24] <Bear_> I hope he enjoys it not deteting his laptop's network card 50% of the time...
• 921[04:09:49] <equilibrio> Bear: try replaced-url
• 922[04:09:50] <Bear_> abrotman, my friend is coming to the dark side. What do you suggest I tell him to install?
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• 924[04:10:03] <abrotman> equilibrio: I gave him the link already
• 925[04:10:09] <Bear_> ^
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• 927[04:10:12] <equilibrio> oh sorry :P
• 928[04:10:17] <abrotman> Bear_: that's up to them, have them try many WMs/DEs
• 929[04:10:18] <Bear_> equilibrio, You would make a terrible bot.
• 930[04:10:26] <equilibrio> hahaha :P
• 931[04:10:34] <equilibrio> good thing I aint one
• 932[04:10:36] <Bear_> abrotman, I believe he's more after learning to use it for servers
• 933[04:10:56] <equilibrio> Bear_: do people still use Eggdrops nowadays?
• 934[04:11:00] <abrotman> Bear_: then install it, configure it, break it, fix it, repeat until your fingers bleed
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• 936[04:11:16] <Bear_> equilibrio, ? abrotman I told him to use a VM for that reason
• 937[04:11:42] <equilibrio> eggdrops are bots that were used a lot like on the Efnet network to guard channels
• 938[04:11:43] <Bear_> I'm slowly learning C.
• 939[04:11:44] <equilibrio> to get ops
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• 941[04:11:51] <Bear_> equilibrio, oh eggbot
• 942[04:11:55] <equilibrio> yup
• 943[04:11:56] <Bear_> No, people write their own bots
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• 945[04:12:06] <Bear_> Not using a custom bot is dangerous now :(
• 946[04:12:07] <equilibrio> im talking about 20 years ago
• 947[04:12:16] * abrotman points toward #debian-offtopic
• 948[04:12:17] <equilibrio> hmm :/
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• 950[04:12:35] <Bear_> equilibrio, You know anything about Debian's internals?
• 951[04:12:40] <Bear_> IE: How to really slim it down
• 952[04:12:48] <equilibrio> abrotman: heh sorry nostalgia :)
• 953[04:12:59] <equilibrio> hmmmm
• 954[04:13:05] <equilibrio> Bear_: how slim you need it lol
• 955[04:13:32] <SOUL_OF_R00T> any can help me with pulseaudio network sound server?
• 956[04:13:33] <Bear_> I'd love it to be pretty baren. Nothing pre-included that's not needed for aptitude, basically LFS Debian :p
• 957[04:13:35] <equilibrio> to fit a very small disk?
• 958[04:13:47] <SOUL_OF_R00T> i got audio device stck
• 959[04:14:14] <abrotman> Bear_: use the netinst, choose just the standard stuff
• 960[04:14:32] <equilibrio> Bear_: you know about this? replaced-url
• 961[04:14:39] <equilibrio> can be usefull
• 962[04:14:51] <Bear_> equilibrio, I didn't, abrotman stil lfat
• 963[04:15:09] <iKarith> tom99: OFTC #debian-mentors is a better source for that. I've not been a Debian Developer in more than a decade.
• 964[04:15:16] <abrotman> Bear_: then you did it wrong
• 965[04:15:25] <Bear_> abrotman, nope
• 966[04:15:29] <equilibrio> lol
• 967[04:15:32] <Bear_> I'm after LFS slim.
• 968[04:15:39] <abrotman> statement holds
• 969[04:15:40] <Bear_> equilibrio, linked the perfect reference
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• 971[04:15:56] <Bear_> equilibrio, I don't need a DNS / DHCP client.
• 972[04:16:01] <Bear_> bloat.
• 973[04:16:16] <Bear_> This is for a machine that has no internet access.
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• 975[04:16:26] <equilibrio> hmmm
• 976[04:16:35] <TomTomTosch> think of all the kilobytes saved!
• 977[04:16:39] <Bear_> lel
• 978[04:16:50] <Bear_> it's also a fun challenge
• 979[04:17:01] <equilibrio> :)
• 980[04:17:16] <Bear_> Debian in general is fun. When something breaks either you don't notice or the world is on fire.
• 981[04:17:34] <Bear_> (I make Franken Debian's a lot)
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• 983[04:17:54] * iKarith would not remove avahi-daemon on a modern system
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• 989[04:19:06] <Bear_> I saw a franken debian apt list, it went across embedian, 3 versions of debian and backports
• 990[04:19:30] <iKarith> it's the thingy that gives you the ability to ssh between your machines without knowing their IP addresses and whatnot. If you really don't need that, it's safe to remove. But it's now a standard thing nowadays for some fairly nice reasons.
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• 992[04:20:00] <Bear_> iKarith, debian is full of little goodies that make Linux easy to use. It's why I've stuck to debian since 5.0
• 993[04:20:04] <iKarith> Bear_: frankendebian is a lot harder to fix and tends to have world on fire problems more easily.
• 994[04:20:18] <Bear_> iKarith, I know i know. I've gotten better about it
• 995[04:20:40] <equilibrio> Bear_: replaced-url
• 996[04:20:43] <iKarith> Bear_: My first Debian was 1.3, young whippersnapper. And I still have to tell my fingers that dselect is long dead.
• 997[04:20:44] <equilibrio> 50mb build
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• 999[04:21:03] <Bear_> equilibrio, DSL is still alive?! iKarith dselect?
• 1000[04:21:14] <equilibrio> I dont know the details but it seems like it lol
• 1001[04:21:21] <TomTomTosch> no way
• 1002[04:21:24] <Bear_> dselect is a computer program used to manage software packages in the Debian operating system.
• 1003[04:21:24] <Bear_> dselect is one of the oldest front-ends to dpkg, and the bulk of its development happened when it was originally written by Ian Jackson, who wrote it alongside dpkg.
• 1004[04:21:37] <iKarith> Bear_: In the stone age, apt didn't exist. The closest we had to a GUI to dpkg was a now dead program called dselect.
• 1005[04:21:59] <Bear_> I use apt-get from console
• 1006[04:21:59] <abrotman> it's not dead
• 1007[04:22:01] <iKarith> Almost nobody misses it. :D
• 1008[04:22:37] <iKarith> abrotman: Yes it is, put it on the cart. We can't wait until Thursday.
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• 1010[04:22:46] <abrotman> judd: versions dselect
• 1011[04:22:47] <judd> Package: dselect on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1.16.17; wheezy: 1.16.18; jessie-security: 1.17.26; jessie: 1.17.27; stretch: 1.18.10; sid: 1.18.10
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• 1013[04:24:04] <Bear_> I feel like I'm the only one around that wishes Linux wasn't shoehorned into everything
• 1014[04:24:04] <equilibrio> its impressive to fit all that in 50mb wow, what is running on raspi?
• 1015[04:24:17] <Bear_> still my watch runs FreeRTOS
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• 1017[04:24:54] <Bear_> oh god, a AFK script
• 1018[04:25:02] <equilibrio> lol
• 1019[04:25:13] <Bear_> How do I deal with DRM / Codecs on Debian btw
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• 1021[04:25:23] <iKarith> Bear_: Linux itself can be pretty small, and I don't mind a Linux kernel on things. The idea of cramming a full modern UNIXy environment on top of Linux on everything though is kinda madness.
• 1022[04:25:32] <iKarith> Android was smart not to try to do that.
• 1023[04:25:36] <Bear_> iKarith, *cough* just about every fucking router out there *cough*
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• 1025[04:25:48] <iKarith> Android was stupid to use Java, however.
• 1026[04:25:55] <Bear_> not remotely.
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• 1029[04:26:22] <Bear_> Java was possibly the best choice at the time for performance / resource usage while handling multiple platforms
• 1030[04:26:39] <equilibrio> but java is full of problems
• 1031[04:26:41] <Bear_> Instead of using C / C++ and targeting 80+ chips you can target Dalvik and let the phone manufactorer do the magic work
• 1032[04:26:48] <Bear_> equilibrio, all languages are
• 1033[04:26:59] <equilibrio> yeah... problem is things go too fast
• 1034[04:27:04] <iKarith> Yes but Java's biggest problem ... is Oracle.
• 1035[04:27:12] <equilibrio> Oracle.. oh god...
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• 1037[04:27:26] <Bear_> we don't mention the evil one in here...
• 1038[04:27:34] <iKarith> (which BTW aren't they still suing Google for daring to use Java?)
• 1039[04:27:46] <TomTomTosch> you don't target chips with C/C++, the os does the hardware abstraction.
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• 1041[04:28:02] <Bear_> TomTomTosch, different chips require you to recompile
• 1042[04:28:11] <Bear_> ARM and x86 aren't very similar
• 1043[04:28:43] <Bear_> With x86 you can expect your software to generally work from Intel to AMD to Via to ETC, with ARM you have the big / little endian problem, no gurrenteed backwards compatibility
• 1044[04:28:51] <Bear_> what makes x86 terrible is also what makes it great
• 1045[04:28:53] <TomTomTosch> because there are so many x86 android phones?
• 1046[04:29:24] <Bear_> That's not my point.
• 1047[04:29:45] <TomTomTosch> btw, ops already pointed to #debian-offtopic :P
• 1048[04:29:58] <Bear_> With android you have hundreads of not thousands of ARM chips to choose from with various quirks
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• 1051[04:30:31] <Bear_> iKarith, equilibrio join #debian-offtopic
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• 1053[04:31:36] <iKarith> not much interest, I've offered my opinion on the subject and yet another channel ...
• 1054[04:31:48] <Bear_> join us
• 1055[04:31:54] <Bear_> come to the dark side
• 1056[04:31:58] * Bear_ rings the bell
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• 1059[04:35:37] <tom99> i can't find jigdo files for debian to download
• 1060[04:38:04] <tom99> does anybody know where to find sha or md5 hashes of previous debian releases
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• 1062[04:38:15] <tom99> i want to use a wheezy 7.1 iso image on my disk and want to verify its file integrity
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• 1066[04:40:18] <Bear_> what is jigdo
• 1067[04:40:24] <Bear_> How does it beat Torrents / HTTP
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• 1073[04:45:29] <tom99> bear: i don't know, something about assembling pieces from different servers
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• 1087[04:54:14] <cheapie> Bear_: The reasons *I* like it are because I can build CD images from my local mirror rather easily, and because I can convert one image set (say, CD) into another (such as DVD).
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• 1118[05:11:37] <tom99> cheapie: it doesn't make much sense to me that saving individual packages saves space unless the cds have lots of duplicated packages
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• 1120[05:11:57] <tom99> at any rate I want to reinstall my wheezy VM but now i'm not sure what to do
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• 1140[05:27:30] <grazfather> key guys, how can i remove a package that failed to install?
• 1141[05:28:02] <grazfather> replaced-url
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• 1158[05:36:14] <tom99> there's a -f option to force it right?
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• 1163[05:38:34] <grazfather> there's a way to force something
• 1164[05:38:37] <grazfather> idk what i want to force
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• 1166[05:39:11] <equilibrio> grazfather: apt-get -f install
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• 1168[05:39:21] <equilibrio> it removes it
• 1169[05:39:55] <grazfather> intuitive
• 1170[05:40:26] <equilibrio> :p
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• 1174[05:42:40] <pingfloyd> grazfather: apt-get -f isn't force
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• 1180[05:45:24] <tom99> according to man page dpkg -r removes everything but the package's configuration files, but dpkg -P removes everything
• 1181[05:45:32] <tom99> but i guess the philosophy is to run apt-get first to "fix" it?
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• 1202[05:55:44] <pingfloyd> probably should have ran apt-get remove (purge) instead
• 1203[05:55:56] <pingfloyd> avoid that whole mess altogether
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• 1225[06:07:35] <tom99> the ways of apt are yet mysterious to me.
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• 1227[06:07:49] <tom99> i'd install debian wheezy to test out broken packages... but idk where to download it
• 1228[06:07:53] <tom99> maybe i should just install jessie isntead
• 1229[06:08:24] <pingfloyd> why do you want wheezy instead of jessie?
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• 1233[06:11:03] <tom99> idk, no reason. i think i wanted to test out sysvinit a bit before learning systemd
• 1234[06:11:12] <tom99> anyway i have an old 7.5 cd i'll just use that
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• 1236[06:11:23] <tom99> by the way i don't think anybody knows this but
• 1237[06:11:45] <jmcnaught> tom99: you can install jessie with sysvinit instead of systemd
• 1238[06:11:46] <tom99> why do you have to say xterm -e command "sudo gparted" for a menu in gnome desktop instead of just "sudo gparted" for the guy who was asking earlier?
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• 1241[06:12:16] <tom99> when I tried just adding a launcher item for "sudo gparted" it didn't have any effect, but the first one opened an xterm and asked me for password
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• 1252[06:16:01] <jmcnaught> tom99: sudo is not a GUI program. check out the gksu package
• 1253[06:16:37] <tom99> gksu - graphical frontend to su and sudo
• 1254[06:17:30] <tom99> by the way jmcnaught, do you know why the color for gnome terminal is defined by 6 bytes and not 3?
• 1255[06:17:39] <tom99> i.e. #FFFFFFDDDDDD
• 1256[06:17:49] <tom99> with the first third and fifth bytes being the colors
• 1257[06:17:57] <tom99> what are the other bytes for?
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• 1259[06:18:19] <tom99> I tried setting them but I didn't see a result
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• 1261[06:18:50] <jmcnaught> i don't know, but if i go into gnome-terminal profile preferences and try to set a custom colour, it's showing #FFFFFF
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• 1266[06:20:02] <tom99> it didn't show any hex codes when I did it. I'm talking about the values you find in ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/profiles/Default/%gconf.xml file
• 1267[06:21:01] <ryouma> perhaps that is for 10 bit color
• 1268[06:21:03] <tom99> for me in gnome-terminal preferences i just get colored boxes and then an option to define custom values with a hex code
• 1269[06:21:24] <tom99> idk it's a 48-bit code but idk what a 48-bit color is
• 1270[06:21:51] <ryouma> 12
• 1271[06:21:52] <tom99> i tried changing the other values with gconftool but i didn't see any difference, but changing the first byte makes it go red
• 1272[06:21:59] <ryouma> oh, m
• 1273[06:22:01] <ryouma> nm
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• 1276[06:22:36] <tom99> did i discover something stump jmcnaught? XD
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• 1278[06:23:47] <pingfloyd> tom99: you kind of answered that yourself with '48-bit'
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• 1281[06:24:29] <jmcnaught> tom99: you could look around in the gnome-terminal source code for a comment that explains it. i've only ever configured gnome-terminal with its preferences dialogues
• 1282[06:24:41] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
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• 1290[06:29:23] <jmcnaught> tom99: the only change i've made to colours in gnome-terminal is i set it to linux console, then i think i also made dark grey a little darker (because i have join/part/quit messages in irssi in dark grey)
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• 1337[07:06:21] <tom99> As bit depths climb above 8 bits per channel, some systems use the extra bits to store more intensity range than can be displayed all at once, as in high dynamic range imaging (HDRI)
• 1338[07:06:26] <maxcell_> hi
• 1339[07:06:38] <tom99> ^ Does that mean the extra bits control intensity and not the actual colors?
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• 1343[07:07:51] <maxcell_> there is a spectrum of color human eye can see
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• 1345[07:08:14] <maxcell_> but i dont know if the best hdr monitor can show them
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• 1366[07:24:21] <feojgn> hello
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• 1368[07:24:58] <feojgn> i added a script to /etc/network/if-up.d/ and now my system won't boot. how do i get back into it and delete it?
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• 1382[07:31:24] <novilog> Hey folks, new to Debian. I'm having an issue getting xserver to start as a non-privileged user -- it just hangs. Runs fine as root. Using awesome wm. Any thoughts?
• 1383[07:31:27] <sjd_work> @feojgn boot your system from a Linux live cd
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• 1385[07:32:30] <sjd_work> feojgn: then,del your customized script
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• 1393[07:36:39] <simbalion> Can someone tell me what codec I need to make this work? It won't play in firefox or VLC or SMPlayer replaced-url
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• 1397[07:37:55] <julius_> hi
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• 1399[07:37:59] <novilog> What codec you need to make it work? You need the mp3 codec...
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• 1402[07:38:56] <feojgn> sjd_work: thats what i did thank you, almost had a panic attack
• 1403[07:39:05] <julius_> ive created a bootable usb stick with this tutorial: replaced-url
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• 1405[07:39:23] <julius_> any idea where on the stick i should place ldlinux.c32?
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• 1412[07:44:01] <tom99> see, there you go. a use for installing wheezy
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• 1415[07:46:00] <julius_> ?
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• 1417[07:46:19] <tom99> julius: i was asking for a wheezy install cd link before
• 1418[07:46:26] <julius_> oh
• 1419[07:46:27] <tom99> and ofc the question was why bother using wheezy
• 1420[07:46:56] <tom99> is the tutorial good?
• 1421[07:46:58] <julius_> google will tell you
• 1422[07:47:04] <julius_> where to find a cd image
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• 1424[07:47:24] <julius_> well.. besides that it does not work out of the box for jessie, maybe
• 1425[07:47:32] <julius_> will probably work for wheezy
• 1426[07:47:34] <tom99> it gave me a torrent with 11 leechers and no seeds
• 1427[07:47:39] <tom99> and debian cd/dvd download isn't working atm
• 1428[07:47:40] <julius_> no
• 1429[07:47:46] <julius_> oh
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• 1431[07:48:02] <tom99> so is there no way to get debian 8.0 disc either?
• 1432[07:48:04] <julius_> i would wait
• 1433[07:48:08] <tom99> you have to get the latest 8.6 or something?
• 1434[07:48:21] <julius_> debian got mirrors, they cant all be down
• 1435[07:48:33] <julius_> google: debian jessie mirror
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• 1437[07:48:41] <tom99> idk somebody said something and tried clicking on the debian website to to the bt-dvd folders and they didn't work
• 1438[07:48:57] <tom99> but these versions 8.4,8.5, etc. do they update packages or *only* give security updates and small patches?
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• 1441[07:49:17] <tom99> i.e. will emacs be version 22 in 8.6 and then 23 in 8.7 and then 24 in 8.8?
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• 1464[08:02:37] <veek> where's the md5hash of ls stored in the system
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• 1467[08:02:49] <veek> that debsums uses
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• 1498[08:24:26] <hallers> replaced-url
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• 1513[08:36:39] <repka> hi. trying to setup irc server but without firewall rule my port shows as 6665-filtered and with ufw allow 6665 it becomes closed.. ?
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• 1523[08:41:42] <repka> jim: UncomplicatedFirewall
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• 1526[08:45:56] <CQ> anyone know what to do to get XNest to work on a client and connect to a server supplying XDMCP? I get a blank screen... xdm is running on teh remote server, Xaccess is set...
• 1527[08:47:50] <jim> xnest -query ser.ver
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• 1529[08:48:22] <jim> is the remote configured to listen to tcp?
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• 1531[08:49:15] <CQ> jim should be, but how do I check?
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• 1533[08:50:03] <CQ> Fatal server error:
• 1534[08:50:05] <CQ> (EE) Server is already active for display 0
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• 1536[08:50:27] <CQ> ...that's what I get if I run Xnest -query 192.168.2.138 (without adding :1)
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• 1545[08:52:45] <mi11k1> CQ, rpi?
• 1546[08:52:54] <CQ> rpi?
• 1547[08:52:55] <mi11k1> ohh sorry
• 1548[08:53:12] <mi11k1> use xnest :??? -ac
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• 1551[08:54:06] <jim> I remember using it once
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• 1553[08:54:10] <mi11k1> then export DISPLAY=ip:???
• 1554[08:54:21] <CQ> mi11k1: I want to connect to a remote X server... that should be allowing connections. xnest :1 goes to the local server
• 1555[08:55:04] <mi11k1> oh, i run xnest locally, then run a DM on a remote machine
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• 1557[08:55:15] <mi11k1> sorry WM
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• 1559[08:55:40] <mi11k1> try xvfb
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• 1561[08:57:20] <mi11k1> i use this sometimes to start a session with fb and connect with vnc....replaced-url
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• 1567[08:58:33] <CQ> mi11k1: vnc is slow, tried that. Also tried ssh -X, even slower
• 1568[08:58:57] <mi11k1> if you use lightdm or kdm i know theres stuff in the config to enable remote
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• 1570[08:59:10] <mi11k1> is the remote local or wan?
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• 1574[09:01:04] <mi11k1> usually like i said, i just run xnest :100 -ac on the local, then open a term on remote and do export DISPLAY=ipaddress:100 and run a WM and its not too bad actually.
• 1575[09:01:15] <jim> I'm playing with it now... I suspect you have to alter the server *dm config
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• 1577[09:01:43] <CQ> mi11k1: local network
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• 1579[09:01:54] <mi11k1> rdp is a faster protocol i would say
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• 1581[09:02:37] <skinnypuppy> hey
• 1582[09:02:56] <skinnypuppy> for g5 do you use ppc or ppc64el architecture installer?
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• 1584[09:03:17] <mi11k1> is it 32 or 64 bit?
• 1585[09:03:34] <skinnypuppy> 64 bit
• 1586[09:03:38] <mi11k1> what processor?
• 1587[09:03:49] <skinnypuppy> the g5 is the powerpc 750
• 1588[09:03:51] <mi11k1> use the 64 then, i dunno
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• 1590[09:04:07] <skinnypuppy> the debian documentation i could find is extremely outdated
• 1591[09:04:16] <skinnypuppy> thanks anyway bro
• 1592[09:05:02] <skinnypuppy> 750 is the same family as the power4
• 1593[09:05:05] <jim> what version of debian can you get for ppc?
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• 1595[09:05:11] <mi11k1> oh its from ;97?
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• 1597[09:05:18] <mi11k1> use 32 bit
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• 1599[09:06:08] <mi11k1> how much ram do you have?
• 1600[09:06:46] <skinnypuppy> .. there used to be a power64 subarch in debian, i guess i'm just looking for someone who knows what happened to that, as the ppc64el architecture ... seems to be power8 and newer. not easy to scry out the truth from the smattering of docs
• 1601[09:07:01] <skinnypuppy> comes with the territory using strange hardware i'll admit
• 1602[09:07:04] <mi11k1> just google it
• 1603[09:07:25] <skinnypuppy> uh, i dont know how much ram yet, i hope 2GB which is the maximum on this model
• 1604[09:07:34] <skinnypuppy> thanks, i did
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• 1606[09:07:46] <skinnypuppy> 's how i found the smattering
• 1607[09:07:47] <mi11k1> there should be tons there
• 1608[09:07:54] <skinnypuppy> right, thanks bro
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• 1618[09:11:32] <skinnypuppy> arg, i really hate when people refer to ubuntu as debian. it breaks everything when searching the series of tubes
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• 1621[09:12:34] <mi11k1> So alike, yet so different
• 1622[09:12:39] <skinnypuppy> mhm
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• 1625[09:13:19] <crash_> to bad Alpha is not supported anymore :(
• 1626[09:13:30] <skinnypuppy> what you up to mi11k1
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• 1628[09:13:44] <skinnypuppy> crash_: i'm still trying to get an alpha machine
• 1629[09:13:58] <skinnypuppy> that and parisc
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• 1631[09:14:14] <skinnypuppy> ...waste of life, yes
• 1632[09:14:18] <skinnypuppy> still
• 1633[09:14:54] <skinnypuppy> my architecture greed knows no limits
• 1634[09:15:10] <crash_> skinnypuppy: ah nice :) i got 3 alpha machines, bought 1 and got 2 more alphas with it :)
• 1635[09:15:29] <skinnypuppy> crash_: awesome score
• 1636[09:15:36] <crash_> yeah that was a good day
• 1637[09:15:43] <skinnypuppy> hehe
• 1638[09:15:45] <crash_> :)
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• 1686[09:37:39] <greegrasser> "All I care to share, at this time and it is fast approaching, connect the dots; pentium and newer intel processors, chip-sets and on-board USB hardware are designed by joos in israhell and spy on us independent of spy-ware, anti-virus or other software. The data is compressed and sent to some damn place."
• 1687[09:37:50] <greegrasser> Any thoughts on this?
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• 1692[09:38:37] <jim> source?
• 1693[09:38:43] <greegrasser> replaced-url
• 1694[09:38:47] <greegrasser> It's the comment posted here.
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• 1698[09:40:35] <greegrasser> jim, What do you make of that?
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• 1704[09:42:26] <greegrasser> I was always leery of Intel.
• 1705[09:42:36] <greegrasser> IMO Intel is completely backdoored.
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• 1712[09:44:18] <jim> I think I'd wonder who else is trying (or succeeding at) doing the same thing... but given this is a support channel (and what you bring up is international politics), I would prefer to leave it there
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• 1714[09:45:28] <greegrasser> jim, My hope was that the devs here might be able to code something to put a sandbox around these bugged chips.
• 1715[09:45:37] <greegrasser> jim, Literally shut them down from transmitting to Israel.
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• 1720[09:46:55] <skinnypuppy> gregrasser qubes os attempts this
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• 1722[09:47:37] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, replaced-url
• 1723[09:47:38] <greegrasser> Right here?
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• 1725[09:48:02] <skinnypuppy> that is the name of the project
• 1726[09:48:18] <skinnypuppy> i assume that is it's domain
• 1727[09:48:25] <skinnypuppy> cant say for certain
• 1728[09:48:53] <greegrasser> Very interesting.
• 1729[09:49:01] <skinnypuppy> for about a decade they have been attempting to bypass intel hardware backdoors
• 1730[09:49:06] <skinnypuppy> tpm etc
• 1731[09:49:13] <greegrasser> I knew for a long time it was a giant red flag that we all sort of depend on CPUs from ONE manufacturer.
• 1732[09:49:15] <jim> a properly configured firewall can do that... altho, are we talking about a board that's doing this?
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• 1735[09:49:28] <greegrasser> Obviously those at the top of the pyramid would be able to work with Intel to bug the chips.
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• 1739[09:50:23] <greegrasser> jim, Did you just read the comment or also begin listening to the broadcast?
• 1740[09:50:26] <skinnypuppy> jim allegedly there are 3g radios within intel's hardware
• 1741[09:51:05] <jim> on the cpus?
• 1742[09:51:13] <skinnypuppy> yes
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• 1744[09:52:27] <skinnypuppy> and / or otherwise network capable malware within certain parts of the package. essentially you cannot trust an integrated circuit
• 1745[09:52:31] <skinnypuppy> sweet dreams
• 1746[09:52:33] <skinnypuppy> lol
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• 1748[09:52:49] <greegrasser> "a backdoor from the NSI thing straight into Israel"
• 1749[09:52:49] <jim> I don't think the propigation would allow (for example) a signal from the chip to make it much past statue of liberty much less from us to israel
• 1750[09:53:02] <greegrasser> "Snowden proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that backdoor pipeline did indeed exist"
• 1751[09:53:19] <greegrasser> "Goes directly to Tel Aviv"
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• 1754[09:53:43] <jim> not from us, not at the freq we're talking about
• 1755[09:54:15] <greegrasser> Interestingly, Israel seems to be the headquarters of this whole world order, the new seat of power.
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• 1757[09:54:48] <skinnypuppy> it only has to go to the nearest cell tower, assuming it is using that medium rather than some kind of firmware store and forward across your existing(?) network
• 1758[09:55:00] <jim> what freq are they transmitting on?
• 1759[09:55:02] <greegrasser> jim, Do listen to the broadcast and see how legitimate you think it is (using your expertise).
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• 1761[09:55:14] <greegrasser> jim, replaced-url
• 1762[09:55:30] <jim> I don't actually have time to listen now
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• 1764[09:55:42] <greegrasser> Bookmark it for later.
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• 1767[09:56:26] <greegrasser> At least read the comment posted there. That man seems to have inside knowledge.
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• 1770[09:56:44] <greegrasser> "I have a very similar background to Blackburn except I worked in the belly of the joo beast in the semiconductor industry and I was also blacklisted and got a crystal clear message about my health but I took the sheckels to keep my mouth shut; who would I tell?"
• 1771[09:56:53] <jim> this is about the physics of radio wave propigation
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• 1775[09:57:58] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, You think that OS you mentioned properly shuts down these chips from spying?
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• 1777[09:58:36] <skinnypuppy> greegrasser: no. they try but the lead developer has mentioned in various talks that they have yet to succeed
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• 1779[09:58:40] <greegrasser> This whole machine is so ruthless. I have no doubt they are trying everything they can to be more and more invasive.
• 1780[09:58:48] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, Very interesting.
• 1781[09:58:50] <jim> with the short (extremely) antenna length, we're talking 10s or 100s of ghz, and the propigation of that is line of sight
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• 1784[09:59:25] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, So he fully acknowledges the chips are backdoored to transmit privacy-invasive data to the eye at the top of the pyramid.
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• 1786[10:00:07] <han-solo> illuminati?
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• 1788[10:00:56] <greegrasser> han-solo, That's a term intended obfuscate. The data is going to Israel, the state founded and funded by the leading powers, including the Rothschilds.
• 1789[10:01:17] <jim> just guessing... wavelength (and antenna length is related to that) has an inverse (some constant / wavelength) and the further up you push frequency, the more line-of-sight it has to be
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• 1791[10:01:53] <skinnypuppy> jim: i cant claim with certainty that the backdoor uses 3g or ever radio at all. but some of what snowden leaked mention radio devices attached via physical interdiction used in a focused, targeted way, i.e. flying a drone overhead or getting a van nearby
• 1792[10:02:14] <skinnypuppy> microwave freq was mentioned
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• 1796[10:02:55] <jim> it's possibly higher than that
• 1797[10:03:19] <skinnypuppy> and that information taken with the research done by qubes os project paints an unfriendly picture of what is likely taking place now, with intel being a bad actor
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• 1805[10:05:30] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, Exactly. We should have known all along what a giant red flag it is that we all use the same chip manufacturer.
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• 1808[10:05:55] <skinnypuppy> greegrasser: truth
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• 1810[10:06:08] <greegrasser> Imagine you're trying to have a world government. You go to Intel and get them to bug their chips. Now you're spying on 99% of the population.
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• 1815[10:08:02] <skinnypuppy> greegrasser: your not wrong. although i would say it's more like 'imagine youre trying to have a world government. you create the internet, you create the computer, you place them as densely as possible throughout the planet'
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• 1818[10:08:40] <greegrasser> So you are implying the whole infrastructure is compromised?
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• 1820[10:08:46] <han-solo> don't be paranoid now
• 1821[10:09:01] <skinnypuppy> greegrasser: who created tcp ip
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• 1823[10:09:09] <greegrasser> skinnypuppy, you tell me
• 1824[10:09:21] <skinnypuppy> and why did they create it
• 1825[10:09:38] <skinnypuppy> nah man, too off topic
• 1826[10:09:39] <skinnypuppy> lol
• 1827[10:09:43] <greegrasser> just tell me why
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• 1865[10:13:31] <lowin> How do I change the default browser to chromium?
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• 1879[10:13:54] <lowin> currently all links inside applications like irc open in firefox
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• 1925[10:16:23] <Aaron> hey Can someone help me with this issue
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• 1927[10:16:33] <Aaron> error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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• 1939[10:19:34] <Jaleks> how do i detach a disk? → background: disk is broken and grub's tries to read it 'freeze' the upgrade process (replaced-url
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• 1942[10:22:21] <CQ> Aaron: go to the package search page of debian, look for which packages contain that file, and isntall that package
• 1943[10:22:53] <Aaron> wow,
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• 1945[10:22:56] <Aaron> really?
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• 1948[10:24:35] <Aaron> for that I just do apt-cache search package; and I'm good ;)
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• 1950[10:24:40] <Jaleks> Aaron: if a `dpkg -S libudev.so` does not give back the version which is not found, the program requiring it should receive a bug report, I'd say, which asks for an upgrade to the versions you get as output of above command
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• 1953[10:25:17] <Aaron> I'm installing some other libraries let's see it works; if not I'll report a bug, and hopefully upload a patch,
• 1954[10:25:22] <Jaleks> [if dpkg puts out the needed version, install according package, obviously ;)]
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• 1977[10:35:33] -TheJapsAreComing- THE JAPS ARE COMING!
• 1978[10:35:36] <TheJapsAreComing> THE JAPS ARE COMING!
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• 1986[10:38:53] <maxcell_> hi, how can i know if the module nvidia_drm is started Before X?
• 1987[10:39:23] <TheJapsAreComing> maxcell_: it does not matter
• 1988[10:39:33] <TheJapsAreComing> guess why not?
• 1989[10:39:38] <maxcell_> and only if the nvidia-drm.ko
• 1990[10:39:38] <maxcell_> # kernel module is loaded before the X server is started.
• 1991[10:39:54] <TheJapsAreComing> maxcell_: BECAUSE THE JAPS ARE COMING!
• 1992[10:39:58] <TheJapsAreComing> WE HAVE BIGGER ISSUES
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• 1996[10:40:37] <Ticho> just ignore it, it will go away
• 1997[10:40:44] <Ticho> silly troll
• 1998[10:40:52] <crash_> yeah
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• 2005[10:44:35] <maxcell_> hi, how can i know if the kernel module nvidia_drm.ko is started Before X server?
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• 2014[10:50:51] <cccc828> Since the latest round of updates, debian testing will no longer boot into graphical mode. I tried to re-enable it with "systemctl set-default graphical.target", but this does not fix the issue. I can still start the GUI via startx. Does anyone have an idea what the problem might be?
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• 2016[10:52:55] <maxcell_> cccc828, systemctl enable lightdm (or gdm or wherever you use)
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• 2018[10:53:09] <maxcell_> reboot
• 2019[10:53:42] <cccc828> @maxcell_: thank you - I will try that and reboot
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• 2029[10:56:30] <Sergio506> hi, what are my options for a debian patch management? not perse repositorie, pure inventory on current versions and available package versions? preferably some sort of webbassed click-go interface..
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• 2037[10:59:39] <maxcell_> cccc828, worked?
• 2038[10:59:44] <cccc828> @maxcell_: enabling lightdm is unfortunately not the solution
• 2039[10:59:55] <maxcell_> thats strange
• 2040[11:00:27] <maxcell_> try to reinstall the lightdm
• 2041[11:00:27] <cccc828> I wish I had spend more time leaning systemd... now I feel at a complete loss of how to debug this
• 2042[11:00:37] <maxcell_> and enable it with systemctl enable
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• 2044[11:00:44] <cccc828> ok - will try
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• 2052[11:03:11] <cccc828> @maxcell_: reinstallation worked. Thank you so much for your help!
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• 2054[11:03:28] <cccc828> I assume some depencendies were missing
• 2055[11:03:30] <maxcell_> cccc828, really? it worked?
• 2056[11:03:39] <maxcell_> cool
• 2057[11:03:54] <maxcell_> that was easy
• 2058[11:04:01] <cccc828> I forgot to track them, but during reinstallation apt-get installed some additional dependencies
• 2059[11:04:13] <maxcell_> got it
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• 2061[11:05:07] <cccc828> replaced-url
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• 2064[11:06:28] <cccc828> ok I ran apt-get autoremove just before and it removed liblightdm-gobject-1-0:amd64 (1.18.2-2)
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• 2069[11:07:34] <maxcell_> hmm
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• 2077[11:10:23] <Sergio506> managing debian in 1200+ node environments, how does man handle patch management?
• 2078[11:10:31] <atralheaven> Hi
• 2079[11:10:31] <maxcell_> cccc828, why did it remove the lib when autoremove?
• 2080[11:11:28] <cccc828> mh I am puzzled: apt-get autoremove for some reason removed lightdm-gtk-greeter:amd64 (2.0.1-2), lightdm:amd64 (1.18.2-2),liblightdm-gobject-1-0:amd64 (1.18.2-2). However, when I had my problems I did a dpkg -l | grep lightdm and some version at least was installed. I do not fully understand this issue
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• 2086[11:13:01] <atralheaven> I had a problem with my laptop brightness, I solved it by adding "acpi_backlight=video" to line 9 of "/etc/default/grub" file on Ubuntu. now I do the same on debian stable but it doesn't solve that problem!
• 2087[11:13:08] <maxcell_> cccc828, you said you dist-upgrade your debian from jessie to testing?
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• 2089[11:13:41] <cccc828> maxcell_: no: I was always on testing. I just usually do the dist-upgrade monday mornings
• 2090[11:13:56] <jelly> ,v lightdm
• 2091[11:13:57] <judd> Package: lightdm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.2-4; jessie: 1.10.3-3; sid: 1.18.2-2; stretch: 1.18.2-2
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• 2097[11:14:28] <maxcell_> cccc828, oh got it, mayb the lightdm was upgraded?
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• 2099[11:15:10] <cccc828> maxcell_: that's what is so irritating to me: /var/log/apt/history.log has no other mentions of lightdm
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• 2102[11:15:19] <atralheaven> the problem is that brightness does not change (thats not so important) and highest brightness level is not actually the highest brightness level, its one level darker. the second problem is more important for me!
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• 2105[11:16:03] <jelly> cccc828: dependency changes are common in testing and unstable, esp. if testing is not in freeze. I guess a task-* or other metapackage got removed, and that left lightdm as an automatically installed leaf package
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• 2107[11:16:33] <gerforce> hello, i lost a folder. I didn't delete it. It just disappeared strangely. Other files in the same directory are normal. How can i find out why?
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• 2111[11:17:15] <maxcell_> that make sense
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• 2113[11:17:22] <cccc828> jelly: that's also what I assume.
• 2114[11:17:46] <cccc828> maxcell_: anyway, that you so much for your help!
• 2115[11:17:59] <cccc828> *that=thank
• 2116[11:18:25] <maxcell_> cccc828, no problem
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• 2122[11:20:05] <maxcell_> jelly, but lightdm itself wasnt part of the metapackage?
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• 2125[11:22:19] <jelly> maxcell_: the theory is it was a dependency, metapackages only bring (lots of) dependencies
• 2126[11:22:30] <jelly> eg.
• 2127[11:22:41] <jelly> ,depends task-mate-desktop
• 2128[11:22:42] <judd> Package task-mate-desktop in jessie/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.31+deb8u1), task-desktop, mate-desktop-environment, lightdm.
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• 2138[11:26:22] <maxcell_> jelly, hmm i understand now
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• 2142[11:27:04] <maxcell_> jelly, and autoremove just remove the dependencies
• 2143[11:27:34] <atralheaven> gerforce: do you have windows installed beside debian on that system too?
• 2144[11:27:50] <jelly> maxcell_: unneeded dependencies that were automatically installed to satisfy a package that isn't there any more, yes
• 2145[11:28:07] <atralheaven> gerforce: check .bash_history file, it may help?
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• 2149[11:28:47] <maxcell_> jelly, and in this case of our friend, the metapackage wasnt there, but the lightdm itself was, anyway it removes the libs, wasnt that strange?
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• 2154[11:30:15] <cccc828> I am still trying to figure out which packages caused that, but so far I have not come to a conclusion. However, some gtk packages were autoremoved so I assume this somehow triggered the removal of lightdm-gtk-greeter which in turn might have caused the removal of lightdm
• 2155[11:30:23] <gerforce> atralheaven: yes, but the partition which the folder losted lied in isn't a windows partition but a centos partition. Actually i have three OS installed on my laptop. Windows7, debian jessie, and centos
• 2156[11:30:23] <cccc828> but I am not really sure at this point
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• 2165[11:32:11] <cccc828> also gir was removed, which is a dependency for lightdm-gtk-greeter
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• 2169[11:33:16] <atralheaven> gerforce: im not an expert but I know one thing and its that linux does not delete your files automatically! check that file it may help you...
• 2170[11:33:24] <maxcell_> cccc828, what is you default DE?
• 2171[11:33:37] <cccc828> maxcell_: xfce
• 2172[11:33:39] <XeonSquared> What's the recommended Windows tool for getting Debian onto a USB?
• 2173[11:34:03] <gerforce> atralheaven: i already do that. And i pretty sure i didn't delete it.
• 2174[11:34:27] <atralheaven> gerforce: and make sure its not just moved somewhere else, also you can use recovery tools, but that's weird why it happened
• 2175[11:34:33] <maxcell_> cccc828, xfce have his own DesktopManager, like lightdm?
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• 2177[11:35:20] <cccc828> maxcell_: as far as I know not. (and before I also used light-dm)
• 2178[11:35:53] <atralheaven> XeonSquared: replaced-url
• 2179[11:36:46] <cccc828> just another random finding: xscreensaver was also removed in the same autoremove run (and I also definitively used it)
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• 2184[11:37:18] <gerforce> atralheaven: i am confused, too. It's too strange. I barely use centos. But because that partition has a large volume so when i need to store some big files, i mounted that partiton on debian, and move files into there.
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• 2186[11:37:24] <maxcell_> yeah i have no idea. When you reinstall lightdm it doesn't tell you that the libs are in conflict with another thing right?
• 2187[11:37:24] <zorg24> I'm having a quite odd issue where a program is rendering all its text as rectangles. So far I've using strace to see if it couldn't find any files and have found two files that looked relevant and are missing. If anyone can tell me either what they do or has any other suggestions that'd be awesome replaced-url
• 2188[11:37:29] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2189[11:37:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2190[11:37:30] <jelly> cccc828 ^^
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• 2192[11:37:57] <cccc828> maxcell_: no, everything went smoothly. I am convinced it's just one of those dependency breaks that sometimes happen in testing :)
• 2193[11:38:13] <cccc828> although in this case I was investigating the completely wrong suspect (systemd)
• 2194[11:38:28] <ransur0t> !tell XeonSquared win32diskimager
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• 2198[11:38:44] <XeonSquared> ransur0t: Just found it in the manual
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• 2200[11:38:51] <XeonSquared> replaced-url
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• 2202[11:39:02] <ransur0t> cool
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• 2206[11:40:17] <gerforce> Any data recovery tools recommened?
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• 2221[11:44:37] <atralheaven> gerforce: I know one on windows! :D sure there are many on linux too, just google, I don't know any of them
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• 2223[11:45:34] <gerforce> google cann't be accessed :(
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• 2225[11:46:20] <atralheaven> gerforce: why? no gui?
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• 2227[11:46:41] <gerforce> The GFW.
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• 2234[11:48:28] <maxcell_> XeonSquared, this seems very old thing
• 2235[11:48:31] <atralheaven> gerforce: ooowh. I didn't know it blocks google too! if you have a vps outside the GFW, use shadowsocks, or maybe openvpn with static keys, that would solve your googling problem forever :)
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• 2237[11:48:52] <atralheaven> gerforce: if I give you some links, would you be able to open them?
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• 2241[11:50:28] <atralheaven> gerforce: arch wiki has always something for me! replaced-url
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• 2246[11:51:37] <atralheaven> gerforce: also: replaced-url
• 2247[11:51:45] <maxcell_> what is pppd-dns.service and i need that if i'm using dhcp?
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• 2249[11:52:05] <atralheaven> gerforce: but first search for those files on your system, they may already be there
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• 2251[11:52:52] <atralheaven> gerforce: locate works well for this. do an "updatedb" first, and check the man page of locate
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• 2258[11:53:58] <gerforce> atralheaven: OK, i'll read these links first.
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• 2333[12:06:37] <maxcell_> can somebody remember me how to configure the IP Adress by hand instead of using DHCPd?
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• 2335[12:06:58] <ryonaloli> maxcell_: see interfaces(5)
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• 2337[12:07:33] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, dont understand
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• 2339[12:07:40] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, how i see this
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• 2341[12:08:01] <ryonaloli> maxcell_: "man 5 interfaces"
• 2342[12:08:02] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, you mean man interfaces?
• 2343[12:08:07] <maxcell_> ok
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• 2348[12:09:21] <flip214> Hi. I'm looking at replaced-url
• 2349[12:09:52] <flip214> Link to that is on replaced-url
• 2350[12:09:53] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, if i configure the etc/network/interfaces i can disable the dhcpd right
• 2351[12:10:12] <ryonaloli> yes
• 2352[12:10:22] <maxcell_> nice
• 2353[12:10:35] <maxcell_> thats gona give me almost 500ms at boot
• 2354[12:10:57] <flip214> Looking for a testing/unstable live/install USB image, preferably with non-free firmware on it, lxde...
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• 2356[12:11:18] <themill> flip214: weekly builds are often only done closer to release when the archive settles down a bit. There's a chance the actual build infrastructure doesn't currently work with stretch
• 2357[12:11:24] <flip214> I'm well aware that this exact combination might not exist, but at least some testing/unstable iso would be nice
• 2358[12:11:44] <towo`> then use installer images
• 2359[12:12:04] <flip214> themill: thanks.... the 8.5.0 from a week ago didn't boot the machine, so I'm looking for something that has a newer kernel than 3.16
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• 2361[12:13:08] <themill> I wasn't aware of radically new hardware that didn't even boot with jessie.
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• 2363[12:14:05] <flip214> well, after ~15 minutes I can still see some text-mode messages scroll by, but no X running.... so I aborted this try
• 2364[12:14:22] <flip214> it's actually an Acer notebook from 2012 or so
• 2365[12:14:33] <flip214> but I hoped that a newer kernel would "just work"
• 2366[12:14:38] <flip214> "failsafe" didn't help
• 2367[12:15:11] <flip214> towo`: replaced-url
• 2368[12:15:28] <towo`> what?
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• 2373[12:15:40] <towo`> you can use dd for installer images too
• 2374[12:15:47] <towo`> all are isohybrid
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• 2376[12:16:17] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, why its calling my network "enp3s0" instead of "eth0"
• 2377[12:16:28] <ryonaloli> maxcell_: that's the new udev naming scheme.
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• 2379[12:16:46] <flip214> towo`: can't find any ISO in replaced-url
• 2380[12:16:48] <ryonaloli> it has to do with eth0 being ambiguous. one day eth0 and eth1 might switch names, so enp3s0 is used to make it a little less ambiguous.
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• 2382[12:17:02] <ryonaloli> i don't like it personally, so i disable that behavior.
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• 2384[12:17:40] <flip214> towo`: unless you're thinking about "mini.iso" in netboot, but that means fetching most of the data over 2Mbps.... ;(
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• 2386[12:17:48] <Mathisen> ryonaloli, how do you disable that.. it is confusing me when im used to the old eth
• 2387[12:18:16] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, there is a command related to udev that tells me all my new network names?
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• 2389[12:18:25] <flip214> replaced-url
• 2390[12:18:30] <flip214> might help
• 2391[12:18:50] <themill> flip214: there are installers for stretch already in existence; they are *probably* the best way to install (although installing jessie and upgrading can be safer)
• 2392[12:18:51] <flip214> replaced-url
• 2393[12:18:55] <ryonaloli> ^
• 2394[12:19:09] <flip214> themill: thanks.... can you point me to one?
• 2395[12:19:36] <flip214> I found an XFCE one at replaced-url
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• 2397[12:20:07] <themill> Does when you download the packages matter?
• 2398[12:20:53] <flip214> themill: yes. at home, filling the USB stick, I'm on 20Mbps; on the family's site, it's 2MBps. Downloading _anything_ there is a mess.
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• 2400[12:21:22] <flip214> so, actually, I'd like to get the 2nd and 3rd iso as well, and put them on the USB stick in another partition...
• 2401[12:21:48] <themill> The installer doesn't like partitions on the usb stick
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• 2404[12:22:04] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, if i configure the interfaces.conf i should put "iface enp3s0" instead of "iface eth0" right?
• 2405[12:22:13] <ryonaloli> it's just interfaces, not interfaces.conf
• 2406[12:22:23] <ryonaloli> and yes, iface enp3s0 if that's your interface name
• 2407[12:22:25] <themill> flip214: You could get DVD1 of course, but the chances are that most of the packages on the DVD already need upgrading so you've got to download them again
• 2408[12:22:33] <flip214> themill: never had any problems with that.
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• 2410[12:22:39] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, ok
• 2411[12:23:01] <themill> flip214: quite surprising. that's a common mode of failure (called "unetbootin")
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• 2413[12:23:37] <FuchsCanFuchOff> fuckity fuckity fuck
• 2414[12:23:38] <flip214> themill: I guess I'll need to put a testing/unstable kernel+initrd onto a stable USB stick...
• 2415[12:23:55] <flip214> and remember to copy that over when installing
• 2416[12:24:11] <FuchsCanFuchOff> flip214: lol or just use stable stuff
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• 2424[12:25:25] <flip214> thanks
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• 2426[12:27:27] <ryonaloli> dat kick message <3
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• 2429[12:28:13] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, if i configure the static IP and plug-in a Wireless connection after booting the wireless will work or i will need to configure something else in etc/interfaces
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• 2431[12:28:49] <ryonaloli> maxcell_: the interfaces config will configure the ip address. you have to have the wireless config configured elsewhere, but you would have had to have that already configured probably
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• 2433[12:30:37] <flip214> well, thanks for helping. trying to get that machine running.....
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• 2437[12:31:52] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, sometimes i use my phone to anchorage a wireless conection via USB you think it will stop working if i put the static IP in interfaces?
• 2438[12:32:23] <ryonaloli> i can't tell all your use cases. but most likely if it stops working, you can get it working with a quick config change somewhere.
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• 2441[12:33:06] <maxcell_> ok
• 2442[12:33:13] <CrapPoster> I post crap
• 2443[12:33:17] <CrapPoster> lots of crap
• 2444[12:33:34] <CrapPoster> sometimes my crap is so much, and so crappy
• 2445[12:33:42] <CrapPoster> it turns into being called crap-flooding
• 2446[12:33:50] <CrapPoster> but the real thing
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• 2448[12:33:56] <CrapPoster> is when I crap my pams
• 2449[12:33:59] <CrapPoster> *pants
• 2450[12:34:03] <CrapPoster> amd they rip open
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• 2452[12:34:09] <CrapPoster> and all the turds come out!
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• 2471[12:44:03] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, i dont need a broadcast option in a static IP did i?
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• 2476[12:44:40] <maxcell_> ryonaloli, my computer is connected to a router and i already configure the gateway
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• 2478[12:45:20] <ryonaloli> yeah you do
• 2479[12:45:24] <ryonaloli> you need to set all the standard stuff
• 2480[12:45:28] <ryonaloli> broadcast is just whatever.255
• 2481[12:45:32] <ryonaloli> just like gateway is whatever.0
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• 2483[12:45:46] <Ticho> .1, more commonly
• 2484[12:46:12] <maxcell_> i set the netmask and gateway already, what broadcast do?
• 2485[12:46:34] <petemc> protocals that use broadcasts use it
• 2486[12:46:37] <petemc> you dont need it, really
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• 2490[12:47:14] <petemc> protocols, even
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• 2493[12:47:57] <d_himro> ryonaloli: "broadcast is just whatever.255" - really? are you sure? mayby in general?
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• 2495[12:48:33] <teraflops> d_himro: not really, it depends on your netmask
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• 2502[12:49:04] <d_himro> exactly
• 2503[12:49:05] <ryonaloli> yeah in general
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• 2507[12:49:19] <ryonaloli> the netmask for most people's home routers is since they just have a /24
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• 2510[12:49:46] <maxcell_> my broadcast is .255
• 2511[12:49:49] <ryonaloli> and this guy seems to be talking about configuring this for his wifi tether device or w/e it is
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• 2513[12:49:55] <teraflops> well not in general since it depends on your netmask
• 2514[12:49:58] <teraflops> ;S
• 2515[12:50:32] <ryonaloli> teraflops: i meant in general for linux systems connected to home routers, not in general for linux systems everywhere :P
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• 2517[12:50:47] <d_himro> :)
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• 2520[12:51:06] <ryonaloli> just like, in general, the private ip space people use is 192.168.0.0/16, and not something else perfectly valid like 10.0.0.0/8
• 2521[12:51:19] <maxcell_> what the "network" means in general?
• 2522[12:51:24] <maxcell_> in interfaces
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• 2524[12:51:36] <teraflops> yeah it's fine it's just is better just asking for the ip addressing instead of guessing
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• 2526[12:51:49] <bazhang> maxcell_, the ethernet wifi etc
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• 2528[12:51:58] <meowschwitz> the broadcast is not 'generally' 255
• 2529[12:52:06] <maxcell_> i mean, i know address, netmask and gateway but what network does?
• 2530[12:52:31] <ryonaloli> meowschwitz: just be glad i didn't tell him his router was surely 192.168.0.1 :P
• 2531[12:52:35] <meowschwitz> for example, for 194.90.1.20/29 the broadcast is .23
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• 2533[12:52:52] <teraflops> meowschwitz: that was my point
• 2534[12:53:15] <ryonaloli> meowschwitz: and almost no home routers will use that
• 2535[12:53:43] <ryonaloli> which is the "general" use case
• 2536[12:53:51] <teraflops> ryonaloli: you dont know if the user changed it, or if there's no router at all
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• 2538[12:54:07] <ryonaloli> that's why i said generally, not "the broadcast is .255"
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• 2540[12:54:15] <teraflops> k…
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• 2543[12:55:01] <maxcell_> so what the network does in interfaces and how and why i should configure it
• 2544[12:55:09] <maxcell_> it looks like this:
• 2545[12:55:13] <maxcell_> address 192.168.15.3
• 2546[12:55:13] <maxcell_> netmask 255.255.255.0
• 2547[12:55:13] <maxcell_> gateway 192.168.15.1
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• 2550[12:56:38] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: network is the base address of the network
• 2551[12:56:56] <meowschwitz> bear in mind that as far as IP is concerned, addresses consist of two parts, network ID and host ID
• 2552[12:56:57] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, base address means 192.168.15.0 in this case?
• 2553[12:57:05] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: if the network is /24, yes
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• 2557[12:57:55] <teraflops> you don't need to specify network nor broadcast there though
• 2558[12:58:00] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, the network is 192.168.15.0/24 .1 being the gateway. sounds right/
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• 2560[12:58:21] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: .1 is simply the first host on the network
• 2561[12:58:31] <meowschwitz> there is no requirement for it to be the gateway
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• 2563[12:58:42] <wh0ami> hi guys
• 2564[12:58:43] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, yes, but the network itself in the interface should be 0 then
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• 2566[12:59:21] <wh0ami> today i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and i get replaced-url
• 2567[12:59:31] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: I'm not sure what you mean 'in the interface'
• 2568[12:59:32] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, but my PC is connected to a router, the gateway arent the router itself?
• 2569[12:59:41] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, /etc/network/interface
• 2570[12:59:42] <teraflops> wh0ami: pastefail
• 2571[12:59:49] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, /etc/network/interfaces *
• 2572[12:59:50] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: it may be in this case, but again, it's not a requirement
• 2573[12:59:59] <wh0ami> teraflops: thx
• 2574[13:00:00] <wh0ami> replaced-url
• 2575[13:00:00] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, i understand
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• 2578[13:00:22] <meowschwitz> wh0ami: apt-get -f install
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• 2580[13:00:41] <maxcell_> ok gonna reboot for a test
• 2581[13:00:54] <teraflops> reboot?
• 2582[13:00:58] <wh0ami> meowschwitz: replaced-url
• 2583[13:01:08] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: no need to reboot
• 2584[13:01:29] <meowschwitz> wh0ami: well mariadb setup script screws up for some reason
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• 2586[13:01:32] <maxcell_> i dont remember the commands
• 2587[13:01:44] <maxcell_> ifdown enp3s0?
• 2588[13:01:49] <teraflops> ifdown / ifup
• 2589[13:01:54] <maxcell_> yeah
• 2590[13:01:54] <maxcell_> ok
• 2591[13:01:57] <maxcell_> lets see
• 2592[13:01:58] <meowschwitz> wh0ami: make a copy of /var/lib/mysql to be sure (if it's not empty) and remove and purge and installa gain
• 2593[13:02:02] <teraflops> maxcell_: that's not jessie :)
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• 2595[13:02:25] <maxcell_> teraflops, hehe there is a good reason for that
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• 2597[13:02:32] <maxcell_> teraflops, since itsa desktop pc
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• 2599[13:02:41] <teraflops> maxcell_: nah it's fine just saying
• 2600[13:02:51] <wh0ami> meowschwitz: replaced-url
• 2601[13:02:51] <maxcell_> brb
• 2602[13:02:54] <wh0ami> weird :x
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• 2604[13:03:24] <meowschwitz> wh0ami: dpkg --purge mariadb-server
• 2605[13:03:26] <maxcell_> ifdown: interface enp3s0 not configured
• 2606[13:03:31] <maxcell_> dont get it
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• 2608[13:04:01] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: -is it- configured?
• 2609[13:04:04] <wh0ami> meowschwitz: dpkg --purge mariadb-server dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove mariadb-server which isn't installed
• 2610[13:04:26] <meowschwitz> er
• 2611[13:04:28] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, i configured /etc/network/interfaces thats wasnt knough?
• 2612[13:04:29] <meowschwitz> ah
• 2613[13:04:35] <meowschwitz> it's mariadb-server-10.0
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• 2618[13:05:03] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: is it the same iface name and is the iface up?
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• 2623[13:06:53] <wh0ami> meowschwitz: replaced-url
• 2624[13:06:55] <wh0ami> no way xD
• 2625[13:07:03] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, my /etc/net.../interfaces is like this: iface enp3s0 inet static
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• 2627[13:07:32] <meowschwitz> wh0ami: that package is broken
• 2628[13:07:39] <meowschwitz> I don't know why
• 2629[13:07:44] <meowschwitz> either debug it or use plain mysql
• 2630[13:07:50] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: but is the iface -up-
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• 2632[13:08:05] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, idk what you mean
• 2633[13:08:10] <teraflops> ip link show
• 2634[13:08:21] <teraflops> ip a or whatever
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• 2636[13:08:24] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: the interfaces have up/down status
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• 2640[13:08:30] <meowschwitz> when the interface is down, it's inactive
• 2641[13:08:36] <meowschwitz> ifup and ifdown change that status
• 2642[13:08:43] <meowschwitz> you can't ifdown an iface that's already down
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• 2644[13:08:50] <maxcell_> meowschwitz, enp3s0 is up
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• 2646[13:09:33] <meowschwitz> and you're trying to ifdown it?
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• 2649[13:11:11] <maxcell_> teraflops, meowschwitz replaced-url
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• 2651[13:12:05] <meowschwitz> maxcell_: ifconfig enp3s0 down ; ifup enp3s0
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• 2654[13:12:48] <maxcell_> first i need to disable dhcp from systemd do you know how to do that?
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• 2659[13:13:14] <meowschwitz> why do you need to do that
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• 2661[13:13:39] <maxcell_> because im configuring the IP by hand just to save time at boot
• 2662[13:13:59] <teraflops> maxcell_: what does dhcp from systemd mean?
• 2663[13:14:00] <maxcell_> i think i can just systemctl disable networking.service right? there is no DHCP
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• 2665[13:14:18] <maxcell_> teraflops, i dont want the DHCP run on boot
• 2666[13:14:28] <maxcell_> dhcpcd
• 2667[13:14:30] <teraflops> we don't know. it's your system;)
• 2668[13:14:33] <teraflops> ah
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• 2671[13:14:49] <jelly> maxcell_: don't disable the service. disable the interface definition you don't need, or change it
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• 2673[13:15:04] <wh0ami> meowschwitz: yeah looks broken -.- idk why
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• 2675[13:15:17] <wh0ami> i purged and installed again but keeps saying the same
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• 2677[13:15:20] <maxcell_> jelly, how so
• 2678[13:15:26] <jelly> !interfaces
• 2679[13:15:27] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 2682[13:15:51] <jelly> maxcell_: ^^
• 2683[13:16:05] <maxcell_> jelly, the interfaces is configured i just want to remove the dhcpcd from the booting
• 2684[13:16:14] <maxcell_> for this network, specifically
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• 2686[13:16:33] <maxcell_> if its possible
• 2687[13:16:49] <jelly> maxcell_: it shouldn't run at all. Which debian release is this?
• 2688[13:17:15] <teraflops> looks like testing
• 2689[13:17:20] <maxcell_> jelly, let me reboot and see
• 2690[13:17:28] <maxcell_> if a tell you, you will kick me from the channel
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• 2694[13:17:52] <jelly> LOL
• 2695[13:18:20] <jelly> !next
• 2696[13:18:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2700[13:20:38] <han-solo> ah
• 2701[13:21:22] <jelly> yes, asking to fix an issue that a derivative has introduced, and withholding that information _is_ something one may get kicked for
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• 2704[13:22:11] <han-solo> why would he withhold information?
• 2705[13:22:52] <jelly> to avoid getting "use an actual debian, if you can reproduce the problem there THEN ask for help in here"
• 2706[13:23:13] <han-solo> right
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• 2721[13:31:52] <Iridos> it's strange why it's so hard to understand to people how frustrating it is for someone trying to help… when they find out after an hour or so that it's a problem that couldn't have happened in debian and that debugging took so long because of the incorrect assumption that it *is* debian
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• 2756[14:00:00] <shoobie> What are you people using as a tried and true backup/restore of a debian system? I failed to restore an image using clonezilla so I'd rather not touch that software with a 9 foot pole now
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• 2760[14:03:33] <jelly> shoobie: rsnapshot or dirvish, and manual setup of boot loader and partitions
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• 2781[14:12:14] <shoobie> jelly: thanks for that info.. out of these options, which would YOU use?
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• 2784[14:15:32] <starsailor> is there such a thing as "linux-headers" or "linux-kbuild" for Debian 8.5?
• 2785[14:16:05] <jelly> shoobie: I use both.
• 2786[14:16:28] <Iridos> shoobie, try "apt-cache show packagename" to get an impression…
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• 2789[14:17:04] <jelly> starsailor: why do you ask?
• 2790[14:17:08] <Iridos> shoobie, the difference of those to clonezilla is, that you don't end up with an image, but with a 1:1 copy of your filesystem
• 2791[14:17:51] <starsailor> jelly: here is my gameplan. i want to copy files over from a Debian 8.5 virtualbox guest machine to a Windows 10 host machine. for that i need the guest additions to share folders
• 2792[14:18:14] <starsailor> and for that i need the above mentioned packages in the guest machine as per replaced-url
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• 2797[14:19:30] <jelly> starsailor: technically what you need is vbox guest additions. Having headers and build tools in place is useful only to build the kernel parts for those additious
• 2798[14:19:38] <starsailor> jelly: right
• 2799[14:19:53] <jelly> starsailor: so install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` build-essential dkms
• 2800[14:19:56] <starsailor> but the kernel parts are necessarily, right?
• 2801[14:20:02] <starsailor> ok
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• 2803[14:20:04] <starsailor> let me do that
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• 2808[14:22:50] <starsailor> jelly: "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` build-essential dkms" ?
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• 2827[14:31:51] <starsailor> jelly: thanks, it's getting some 200 megs of stuff now
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• 2829[14:32:26] <pragomer_1> I always get error when trying to install wine in a fresh jessie 64 bit: 404-error
• 2830[14:32:31] <jelly> starsailor: 8.6 is out, so consider doing apt-get dist-upgrade to patch things up as well
• 2831[14:32:42] <starsailor> jelly: is 8.6 new?
• 2832[14:32:48] <jelly> dpkg, tell pragomer_1 about bat
• 2833[14:32:59] <starsailor> when i went to debian's site a few days ago, 8.5 was the newest stable
• 2834[14:33:00] <starsailor> afaik
• 2835[14:33:23] <teraflops> pragomer_1: that's weird. it's from official repos?
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• 2837[14:33:27] <jelly> starsailor: yeah, iso are the last thing that gets generated
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• 2840[14:33:40] <starsailor> oh
• 2841[14:33:46] <jelly> starsailor: if you installed today or yesterday, your system is already 8.6
• 2842[14:33:53] <pragomer_1> of course.. I only have backports in my sources.list... but of course I am installing without the option of course
• 2843[14:33:55] <starsailor> i installed before that
• 2844[14:33:58] <starsailor> maybe 4 or 5 days ago
• 2845[14:34:22] <jelly> starsailor: then do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to patch it all up
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• 2847[14:34:33] <starsailor> cool beans
• 2848[14:34:38] <starsailor> yeah i'll do that after this finishes
• 2849[14:35:20] <pragomer_1> ok.. after an apg-et update it ran through.. only get an error message now:
• 2850[14:35:21] <pragomer_1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 2852[14:35:34] <pragomer_1> /var/cache/apt/archives/libwine_1.6.2-20_amd64.deb
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• 2854[14:36:10] <jelly> pragomer_1: you got a private message from dpkg bot. Read it CAREFULLY and provide all the info it asked for.
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• 2868[14:41:22] <pragomer_1> I have heavy problems with libwine_1.6.2-20_amd64.deb
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• 2880[14:46:29] <shoobie> jelly: I've started to configure rsnapshot. I noticed that a root "/" entrypoint isn't provided as a default setting but rather more specific /home and others.. are you aware of any drawbacks of using a root entry point?
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• 2884[14:47:52] <jelly> shoobie: we backup whole VMs with it, including / :-)
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• 2890[14:49:53] <mikejw> I can't open folders.. caja and xdg-open don't work
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• 2892[14:50:34] <themill> shoobie: I assume that things provided by packages will be provided once again by a debian mirror should I need them
• 2893[14:51:10] <jelly> I don't assume packages are bugless or ordering of adduser will be preserved
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• 2895[14:51:21] <jelly> disk is cheap. We backup everything.
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• 2899[14:51:35] <shoobie> hmm, my root entrypoint is failing
• 2900[14:51:38] <mikejw> I'm on debian stretch
• 2901[14:52:00] <shoobie> this fails: "backup / localhost/ "
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• 2903[14:52:04] <shoobie> what are you using?
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• 2924[14:57:40] <themill> shoobie: have you been careful with spaces vs tabs? rsnapshot.conf is annoying like that
• 2925[14:57:45] <themill> jelly: ack
• 2926[14:57:48] <shoobie> oh is it
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• 2930[14:58:21] <jelly> shoobie: well, I can't actually find a machine where rsnapshot is used right now, the one I _thought_ had it really runs rsync directly in a custom script
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• 2932[14:58:41] <hexadecimal> hey guys
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• 2938[15:01:15] <shoobie> yup it was space vs tab issue
• 2939[15:01:40] <themill> /o\
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• 2941[15:01:58] <jelly> python devs say hi
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• 2943[15:02:15] <themill> dpkg, lart jelly
• 2944[15:02:15] * dpkg stabs jelly
• 2945[15:02:24] <hexadecimal> bonjour jelly
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• 2949[15:03:03] <Lovecraft> What kernel is Debian 8.6 using I wonder.
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• 2951[15:03:45] <hexadecimal> 3.16
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• 2953[15:04:05] <mikejw> anyone any ideas why xdg-open would stop working?
• 2954[15:04:11] <Lovecraft> Oh,
• 2955[15:04:42] <teraflops> mikejw: define stop working and share outputs of xdg-mime/xdg-open
• 2956[15:05:02] <teraflops> also xdg-open script is meh
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• 2958[15:05:57] <mikejw> I think it might actually be caja that's broken
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• 2960[15:06:14] <mikejw> not working means double clicking on a folder does nothing
• 2961[15:06:23] <teraflops> oh idk about mate, gnome uses gvfs-mime though
• 2962[15:07:37] <teraflops> mikejw: hmm you want double clicking on a folder open it? from caja itself?
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• 2966[15:08:10] <teraflops> how did you end assuming it's and xdg-open issue?
• 2967[15:08:16] <teraflops> I wonder
• 2968[15:08:43] <mikejw> because xdg-open doesn't do anything eithier
• 2969[15:09:28] <mikejw> although it does open rhthmbox if not open
• 2970[15:09:37] <mikejw> *rhythmbox
• 2971[15:09:45] <mikejw> which is pretty weird
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• 2973[15:10:41] <teraflops> mikejw: what's the output of `xdg-mime query default inode/directory` ?
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• 2976[15:11:04] <teraflops> mikejw: also idk about mate
• 2977[15:11:13] <mikejw> rhythmbox.desktop!
• 2978[15:11:16] <teraflops> xD
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• 2981[15:11:39] <mikejw> how do I change this?
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• 2983[15:11:44] <teraflops> mikejw: so `xdg-mime default caja.desktop inode/directory`
• 2984[15:11:53] <teraflops> idk the exact .desktop name
• 2985[15:12:00] <teraflops> i guess it does bash completion
• 2986[15:12:01] <graytron> mikejw: do your .desktop files have execute bits set?
• 2987[15:12:56] <graytron> some software for some unknown reason requires it
• 2988[15:13:05] <teraflops> graytron: really?
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• 2992[15:13:14] <graytron> teraflops: unfortunately
• 2993[15:13:14] <mikejw> graytron: actually the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications mostly don't
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• 2995[15:14:10] <teraflops> mikejw: so if mate relies on xdg run `xdg-mime default caja.desktop inode/directory` and then check it out with `xdg-mime query default inode/directory`
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• 3141[16:14:03] <DrZ> Hi All
• 3142[16:14:19] <DrZ> Just wondering does anyone know how to join the mentor sponsors channel?
• 3143[16:14:26] <DrZ> (for Debian)
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• 3148[16:17:38] <DrZ> Hello?
• 3149[16:17:38] <jelly> DrZ: first, you have to be on OFTC irc network
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• 3151[16:18:22] <jelly> DrZ: that's irc.oftc.net, or irc.debian.org (same thing). You're currently on Freenode, different server and network
• 3152[16:19:02] <artkrz> btw, anyone knows how to join a channel or particualr server in weechat?
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• 3156[16:19:52] <jelly> artkrz: people in #weechat channel probably do
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• 3158[16:20:25] <artkrz> thanks jelly
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• 3163[16:22:22] <DrZ> join/ irc.debian.org
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• 3166[16:23:16] <DrZ> jelly is it join command I should be using or something else?
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• 3170[16:23:53] <DrZ> -help
• 3171[16:24:13] <DrZ> --help
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• 3173[16:24:50] <SPF> !ask
• 3174[16:24:50] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3179[16:25:44] <jelly> DrZ: I don't know how kiwiirc does things. Normal clients have a /server command
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• 3190[16:28:24] <DrZ> jelly I dunno. Server command doesn't work
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• 3197[16:29:56] <jelly> you'll have to read kiwiirc documentation, then
• 3198[16:30:09] <jelly> oh.
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• 3202[16:30:45] <shoobie> is there a safe way to install the latest g++ (6.2) in debian 8 jessie? not sure whether to try to install from the stretch repo
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• 3212[16:36:14] <somiaj> shoobie: what do you need a newer compiler for?
• 3213[16:36:37] <jelly> shoobie: you really really don't want to mix in any stretch packages into an installation of stable
• 3214[16:36:40] <shoobie> somiaj: a particular library requires it
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• 3216[16:36:49] <shoobie> jelly: figured..
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• 3218[16:36:56] <jelly> shoobie: requires it for what?
• 3219[16:37:18] <jelly> ,v g++-6
• 3220[16:37:19] <judd> Package: g++-6 on amd64 -- stretch: 6.1.1-11; sid: 6.2.0-4
• 3221[16:37:22] <shoobie> it won't compile otherwise
• 3222[16:37:40] <somiaj> shoobie: 'it'? Anyways, getting a newer compiler in jessie isn't an easy task in a 'safe' way.
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• 3224[16:37:53] <somiaj> shoobie: is it something you could run inside a chroot?
• 3225[16:37:59] <jelly> shoobie: then you'll have to set up a sid, not even stretch chroot
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• 3270[16:55:41] <logithack1337> hey, when starting debian grub displays 3 kernel versions to boot from. i'd like to boot from the second one in the list. i've edited /etc/default/grub and set GRUB_DEFAULT to the appropriate number, considering that the numbers start at 0. i updated grub, rebooted, but it still boots the first one in the list. instead of entering the number of the list item, i've also tried entering the exact name of the
• 3271[16:55:41] <logithack1337> kernel version as displayed by grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but still no success. any ideas?
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• 3276[16:58:33] <logithack1337> sorry, accidentially disconnected.
• 3277[16:58:39] <gosul33t> logithack1337, in grub2 the counting starts at 1, not 0
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• 3281[16:58:46] <logithack1337> hey, when starting debian grub displays 3 kernel versions to boot from. i'd like to boot from the second one in the list. i've edited /etc/default/grub and set GRUB_DEFAULT to the appropriate number, considering that the numbers start at 0. i updated grub, rebooted, but it still boots the first one in the list. instead of entering the number of the list item, i've also tried entering the exact name of the
• 3282[16:58:46] <logithack1337> kernel version as displayed by grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but still no success. any ideas?
• 3283[16:58:53] <logithack1337> gosul33t: does it?
• 3284[16:58:57] <gosul33t> yup
• 3285[16:59:10] <logithack1337> gosul33t: i read it starts at 0. let me check.
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• 3295[17:04:42] <towo`> no, it starts at 0
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• 3298[17:04:56] <logithack1337> still doesnt work. grub displays "debian linux" and "advanced options". when i click "advanced options", there are kernel version 4.7.2, 4.6.0 and 3.16.0. although i've entered the appropriate number, it always starts 4.7.2.
• 3299[17:05:02] <towo`> but the "problem" is grub2 is using submenu by default
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• 3301[17:06:00] <towo`> sou you would need default 1>1 for starting the 2nd entry in the advanced menu
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• 3304[17:06:14] <towo`> or disable submenus
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• 3325[17:12:54] <logithack1337> towo`: disabling submenus did the trick, thanks!
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• 3428[17:57:17] <rajasekhar> hey friends , any knows existing pear packages in debian?
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• 3437[18:00:45] <DoctorD90> hi mates! Just an "easy" question...I read intel 7th generation will not be compatible with nothing else/lower than win10...but this is just for microsoft family, or it includes also linux family? will linux os run on new chips?
• 3438[18:01:02] <DoctorD90> this was a little unclear to me :P
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• 3443[18:02:13] <croddy> oh yeah sure. intel's going to give up the server market.
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• 3447[18:04:07] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: I'm pretty sure that's windows desktops only.
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• 3449[18:04:49] <DoctorD90> jhutchins, do you mean that linux will work at same? just win10 will be the only windows family os that will work?
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• 3452[18:05:14] <OerHeks> kaby lake is out already, 7th gen intel > replaced-url
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• 3454[18:05:38] <OerHeks> "maybe" win10 works on it too
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• 3456[18:06:09] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: I believe that W10 will be the only MS desktop that will work, if there's any truth to it. Reasonably recent server products will probably be compatible.
• 3457[18:06:29] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: There are still plenty of W2008 servers out there.
• 3458[18:06:46] <Guest77295> hi! I am proficient in C,C++ and python. where can i start contributing?
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• 3460[18:07:12] <DoctorD90> jhutchins, thx, so linux will work on them :) I can purchase one of them ^_^ thx jhutchins :D linux rock's!
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• 3478[18:12:52] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: It may take a while for full hardware support to be available. Developers have to buy the new hardware and experiment with what works and what needs to be added.
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• 3482[18:13:50] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: What's really happening is that Microsoft is pushing for people to abandon W7 & 8, so they're saying they won't support the new chips on those OSs. What it really means is they won't add new code to the older releases, and they may or may not work.
• 3483[18:14:31] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: The Linux community will continue to develop new code, so while you might need a newer kernel and/or drivers, things will continue to evolve.
• 3484[18:14:33] <DoctorD90> yea jhutchins :P but i have to purchase a new pc :) so i was worried if store will "finish" "old" chip-pc, and they will sell only w10 compatile pc :P ì ..so even if i will purchase one with 7th gen, i will get linux ^_^
• 3485[18:15:00] <DoctorD90> ok, so I can stay safe ^_^
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• 3487[18:15:07] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: Just remember that if you buy bleeding-edge hardware it may not be fully supported for a while.
• 3488[18:15:20] <DoctorD90> bleeding-edge?
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• 3491[18:15:48] <teraflops> win10 compatible pc… I wish there was a sticker with kernel 3.16 compatible too
• 3492[18:15:57] <ilCyx86_64> I'm having issues setting up a wireless connection that uses WEP (and yes, I fully understand the implications of WEP but they are irrelevant to the purpose of this question). I have created an entry for it in wpa_supplicant conf, and according to iw wlan0 link, it seems like it successfully associates. However, DHCP does not work. Other devices on the network have zero issues connecting. Any ideas?
• 3493[18:15:59] <jhutchins> DoctorD90: replaced-url
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• 3496[18:16:34] * jhutchins is guessing that ilCyx86_64 has a realtec chipset.
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• 3499[18:16:52] <ilCyx86_64> jhutchins: Whatever is built into the raspberry pi 3
• 3500[18:17:32] <DoctorD90> ilCyx86_64, if raspberry go to #raspberrypi ;)
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• 3502[18:17:53] <DoctorD90> they have the rigth solution for you :P especially if you run raspbian :)
• 3503[18:18:15] <jhutchins> ilCyx86_64: You can determine the chipset with lspci -nn
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• 3505[18:18:36] <ilCyx86_64> I would normally do that, but lspci isn't on the system
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• 3508[18:18:46] <DoctorD90> teraflops, why not 4.xx ? jhutchins thx, english news are always more detailed than translated news :P
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• 3510[18:19:03] <teraflops> DoctorD90: I was being kind with #debian
• 3511[18:19:07] <teraflops> :P
• 3512[18:19:16] <DoctorD90> :P
• 3513[18:19:30] <DoctorD90> gotcha hehehehe
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• 3527[18:23:28] <logithack1337> there are 3 kernel versions displayed in grub. 3.16.0, which is the default one, 4.6.0, which is the one i'd like to use and 4.7.2, which a friend helped me compile manually and thus disregarded the packaging system of debian, which is unrecommended as i've learnt. how can i get rid of 4.7.2, which i no longer need?
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• 3530[18:24:18] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, do you use grub2?
• 3531[18:24:42] <teraflops> ilCyx86_64: lsusb then
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• 3534[18:25:06] <ilCyx86_64> teraflops: but it doesn't show up as a usb device
• 3535[18:25:06] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: dpkg -l | grep grub shows me 2.02~beta2-22...
• 3536[18:25:23] <logithack1337> version 2 it says, so yeah
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• 3538[18:25:32] <DoctorD90> teraflops, on rpi wifi is integrated....from what I think/remember, it should not be displayed trougth lsusb :P but I dont know well
• 3539[18:25:51] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, have you(or your friend) edited manually grub entry?
• 3540[18:26:06] <DoctorD90> or just compiled kernel?
• 3541[18:26:27] <teraflops> ilCyx86_64: are you sure?
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• 3543[18:27:09] <ilCyx86_64> Yeah, unless it's "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp."
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• 3546[18:27:49] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: first 3.16.0 was installed. then we compiled 4.7.2. somebody told me it was bad and advised me to get 4.6.0, which i did. now i dont need 4.7.2 anymore. at that point, 4.7.2 4.6.0 and 3.16.0 were displayed in grub by default in that order. today, however, i've edited /etc/default/grub so it automatically boots into 4.6.0. now i wanna delete 4.7.2 completely from my system.
• 3547[18:28:05] <riceandbeans> is it wrong to make a package foo whose only job is to install packages bar, baz, and biff and specific versions?
• 3548[18:28:09] <riceandbeans> like a meta package
• 3549[18:28:23] <riceandbeans> and then you version package foo to be lazy about bringing in bar, baz, and biff
• 3550[18:28:59] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, you *should* delete 4.7.2 related file in /boot folder, but I do not suggest you this *easy* way
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• 3552[18:29:18] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: which way would you suggest?
• 3553[18:29:24] <DoctorD90> if you do something of wrong, you will not more be able to log in your system
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• 3555[18:29:32] <DoctorD90> (delete related file in boot)
• 3556[18:29:52] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: i thought if something goes wrong, i'll still have 3.16.0 and 4.6.0 to boot from?
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• 3560[18:31:59] <andreiiar> Hi, How can I request downgrade to apt-get without REMOVING rdepends for the said package
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• 3562[18:32:15] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, 1moment please..phone..
• 3563[18:32:25] <spleen> is there a way to display last command with numerical ip ?
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• 3565[18:32:36] <conta> guys, when I have `drwxr-xr-x 2 prosody prosody` on some dircreated by root, should it be accessible by prosody user?
• 3566[18:32:40] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: sure, no problem.
• 3567[18:32:50] <conta> I amfighting with let's encrypt certbot a bit
• 3568[18:33:23] <jmcnaught> andreiiar: what is the package you're trying to downgrade? apt/dpkg isn't very good at downgrading, it's designed to be a one-way system
• 3569[18:34:01] <jmcnaught> conta: the parent directories also have to have +x for the prosody user
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• 3573[18:34:30] <conta> so all the way to / ?
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• 3581[18:36:02] <jmcnaught> conta: if you have a directory that is root:root 700, and a subdirectory that is root:prosody 750, prosody won't be able to get to the subdirectory because the parent is 700.
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• 3584[18:36:25] <conta> I see. Now I get my errors, thanks a lot
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• 3595[18:40:03] <ToHellWithGA> i think something is wrong with my python3 or python3-pip package as installed.
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• 3598[18:40:40] <ToHellWithGA> if i try to run pip3, i get "ImportError: cannot import name 'IncompleteRead'"
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• 3601[18:43:22] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: it does that when you run pip3 with no arguments?
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• 3615[18:47:05] <logithack1337> i installed kernel version 4.7.2 following a friend's instructions. we manually compiled the kernel, disregarding debian's packaging system. i ran into problems with this kernel and a few people advised me to get rid of it. i've not got 4.6.0, which is a kernel version also supported by the packaging system. now i'd like to get rid of 4.7.2; however, its not displayed in synaptic package manager. how can i remove it?
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• 3617[18:48:09] <jmcnaught> logithack1337: the package manager can only remove what the package manager has installed. did you install this kernel with "make install" ? did you manually add it to grub?
• 3618[18:48:09] <logithack1337> i've now* got 4.6.0...
• 3619[18:48:14] <teraflops> logithack1337: dpkg only deals with packages it's not aware of the make install nonsense
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• 3623[18:48:36] <logithack1337> jmcnaught: yeah, thats waht we did. i cant remember adding it to grub (which we must have done, otherwise it wouldnt be displayed there now), but i do remember th emake-install bit
• 3624[18:49:04] <logithack1337> jmcnaught: is there any way of safely getting rid of the make-install version 4.7.2?
• 3625[18:49:10] <jmcnaught> logithack1337: it's been a while since i compiled a kernel, but do you still have the source tree? can you do "make uninstall" ?
• 3626[18:49:20] <logithack1337> jmcnaught: let me check
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• 3628[18:50:39] <jhutchins> logithack1337: update-grub scans the available partitions for kernels from various operating systems. It automatically adds any that it finds to the menu, which is where boot entries from new kernels come from.
• 3629[18:50:46] <logithack1337> jmcnaught: i'm afraid i dont.
• 3630[18:51:33] <jhutchins> logithack1337: You could download the sourcce again.
• 3631[18:51:44] <logithack1337> if i run "locate 4.7.2", most results are located in /lib/modules/4.7.2. i guess theres more to it than just deleting everything inside that folder, isnt there? lol
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• 3633[18:52:10] <rattking> I thought the kernel was installed in /boot and its modules in /lib/modules
• 3634[18:52:17] <jmcnaught> logithack1337: so you need to manually remove the files for 4.7.2 from /boot and /lib/modules, then run "update-grub" again
• 3635[18:52:35] <logithack1337> jmcnaught: and that will work?
• 3636[18:52:43] <jhutchins> logithack1337: There's no issue though, delete the vmlinuz, config, initrd, and system.map files from boot and run update-grub.
• 3637[18:53:12] <jhutchins> logithack1337: Delete the /mib/modules/4.7.2 tree as well.
• 3638[18:53:21] <jhutchins> s /mib/lib/
• 3639[18:53:24] <logithack1337> jhutchins: in /boot i have: /boot/System.map-4.7.2, /boot/config-4.7.2, /boot/initrd.img-4.7.2, boot/vmlinuz-4.7.2
• 3640[18:53:42] <jhutchins> logithack1337: Right.
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• 3643[18:54:09] <logithack1337> jhutchins: all other files are in /lib/modules/4.7.2
• 3644[18:54:15] <logithack1337> and one is located in /var/lib/initramfs-tools/4.7.2
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• 3651[18:55:59] <DoctorD90> here me again
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• 3654[18:57:04] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, yes, locate...I just suggest you first of all to go in /boot and ls config*; ls init*; ls vmlinu*; ls System*
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• 3657[18:57:57] <logithack1337> when i run dpkg --list | grep linux-image, it says "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64", "linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" and "linux-image-amd64 (meta-package)". is the last one the 4.7.2 one?
• 3658[18:58:03] <DoctorD90> backup all of them, (on desktop maybe), then remove from boot only files that you dont need (all related to 4.7, not all files, just only files with 4.7*))
• 3659[18:58:29] <jmcnaught> logithack1337: dpkg has nothing to do with this. if you install something with "make install" dpkg and apt are completely unaware
• 3660[18:58:29] <jhutchins> logithack1337: No, dpkg has no knowledge of 4.7.2.
• 3661[18:58:33] <logithack1337> okay
• 3662[18:58:46] <logithack1337> thats waht the problem was with compiling it manually
• 3663[18:58:48] <jhutchins> logithack1337: The meta package allows new versions of the kernel to be automatically updated.
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• 3665[18:59:05] <logithack1337> so the way to go is to delete the files as we said right?
• 3666[18:59:07] <DoctorD90> then run sudo update-grub
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• 3668[18:59:54] <DoctorD90> delete ONLY 4.7 file related into /boot folder, then run upgrade-grub, BUT i suggest you to backup files that you will remove
• 3669[19:00:19] <DoctorD90> during "update-grub" it will show you kernel find out ;) (3.16 + 4.6)
• 3670[19:00:38] <DoctorD90> if you deleted 4.7, otherwise, it will show you also 4.7 kernel
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• 3674[19:02:08] <logithack1337> alright
• 3675[19:02:09] <DoctorD90> after that, delete (if pc will stil boot up), files in /usr/whatisit/4.7 ... like jmcnaught told you :)
• 3676[19:02:22] <DoctorD90> but...remember to backup....
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• 3678[19:02:36] <DoctorD90> if something goes wrong with a simple copy/paste will save your life ;)
• 3679[19:03:40] <logithack1337> its /lib/modules/4.7.2
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• 3683[19:04:15] <DoctorD90> yea..that one...but first of all, erase from /boot 4.7 related files, (only 4.7 not all files), run update-grub and reboot
• 3684[19:04:21] <logithack1337> ive created a backup of /boot/config-4.7.2, /boot/initrd.img-4.7.2, /boot/System.map-4.7.2 and /boot/vmlinux-4.7.2
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• 3687[19:04:31] <logithack1337> so first of all ill delete those
• 3688[19:04:35] <logithack1337> then ill update grub and reboot
• 3689[19:04:39] <DoctorD90> ok, now delete..yep
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• 3693[19:05:02] <DoctorD90> if all goes well, you can backup /usr/lib/4.7, remove it, and reboot it
• 3694[19:05:15] <DoctorD90> if all goes well...DONE! ....delete backups :P
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• 3697[19:05:31] <DoctorD90> linux....modularity is your way <3
• 3698[19:05:53] <logithack1337> rebooting now... excitement! lol
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• 3702[19:05:58] <DoctorD90> bye
• 3703[19:06:11] <logithack1337> im at my other machine lol
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• 3705[19:06:15] <DoctorD90> (at push of button, earth will *booom*
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• 3707[19:06:24] <DoctorD90> )
• 3708[19:06:30] <logithack1337> its booting...
• 3709[19:06:42] <DoctorD90> can you see 4.7 entry?
• 3710[19:06:51] <logithack1337> second..
• 3711[19:06:57] <DoctorD90> 2 too
• 3712[19:07:47] <logithack1337> its booted the old kernel 3.16.0, but thats because ive changed GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to "2", but since ive now deleted 4.7.2, the old "2" is no longer "4.6.0" but "3.16.0"
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• 3714[19:07:52] <logithack1337> let me change that
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• 3716[19:08:08] <DoctorD90> ...sorry i havent fully udnerstood :P
• 3717[19:08:35] <DoctorD90> ah ok
• 3718[19:08:45] <DoctorD90> no you have wrong...
• 3719[19:08:55] <DoctorD90> you are editing the "final" grub file entry
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• 3722[19:09:33] <DoctorD90> grub 2 is a bunch of script to automatically (as you culd see running update-gtub) retriee informations and build up a valid grub boot menu
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• 3724[19:10:06] <DoctorD90> at each update of grub, grub will take the informations from its own script, and grub file will be overwritten again
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• 3726[19:10:16] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: it does that when i run pip3 with no arguments.
• 3727[19:10:32] <DoctorD90> my question is: do you kwno difference between kernel 4.xx and 3.16? do you really need it?
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• 3729[19:10:40] <logithack1337> if i run "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg" it lists all menu entries in grub. the first one is now "4.6.0", which is the one i'd like to boot from. consequently, i've got to change GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub to "0", havent i?
• 3730[19:11:05] <DoctorD90> if you dont, trust in developers :) or just go to the sid repository :)
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• 3732[19:11:08] <greycat> If you simply remove the default entry, it should boot the newest one.
• 3733[19:11:17] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: i do. 4.6.0 is far more compatible with my netbook. with 3.16.0, the taskbar is massive and the font size is huge lol.
• 3734[19:11:47] <greycat> Or... hm, maybe that's not true. The default default entry is GRUB_DEFAULT=0
• 3735[19:11:47] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: do you install shit using sudo pip3 install whatever and/or updated pip from pip itself?
• 3736[19:11:50] <mtcj> Does upgrading linux-image remove old kernels from the system?
• 3737[19:11:55] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, ok in that case ok. Many people paly with it just to get the "latest", without know the reasons.
• 3738[19:11:58] <greycat> mtcj: no
• 3739[19:12:03] <mtcj> Good good
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• 3742[19:12:20] <logithack1337> im rebooting. it should now pick 4.6.0. we'll see..
• 3743[19:12:26] <logithack1337> yay!
• 3744[19:12:41] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: i have only installed one thing with pip3 - hangups
• 3745[19:12:42] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, im not very familiar with GRUB editing :P especially because it is a bunch of script
• 3746[19:12:48] <logithack1337> 4.7.2 gone, picked 4.6.0, 3.16.0 is still there, all good.
• 3747[19:12:51] <ToHellWithGA> replaced-url
• 3748[19:13:09] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, ....ok, run update-grub....4.6.0 as default still?
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• 3750[19:13:14] <logithack1337> yeah
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• 3753[19:13:26] <DoctorD90> even after a new update-grub?
• 3754[19:13:53] <logithack1337> ive run "update-grub" and rebooted. GRUB_DEFAULT=0 in /etc/default/grub. i think "0" is the default value for that option
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• 3756[19:14:05] <logithack1337> so i set it back 0
• 3757[19:14:47] <logithack1337> but 0 actually means the first element in the list, which is the 4.6.0 version. but its fine.
• 3758[19:15:12] <logithack1337> so now i'll create a backup of all the files in /lib/modules/4.7.2 and delete them, run update-grub and reboot.
• 3759[19:15:15] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/download.py has a line 'from requests.compat import IncompleteRead'. When you installed foobar with 'sudo pip' it probably also installed requests. Do you have python stuff in /usr/local?
• 3760[19:15:27] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, run update-grub i uselss
• 3761[19:15:43] <DoctorD90> because update-grub just look in /boot from my memory
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• 3763[19:15:57] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: take a look at replaced-url
• 3764[19:15:58] <DoctorD90> and it is just the command to update the grub entry.
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• 3766[19:16:32] <DoctorD90> backupping /usr/lib/4.7 before delete it is just a safer (exagerated) way to be sure of what you are doing :)
• 3767[19:16:33] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: okay, good to know!
• 3768[19:16:44] <logithack1337> right, its copying. thatll take a while since its a large amount of data.
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• 3771[19:17:23] <DoctorD90> update-grub just runs script in... /etc/grub.d/ the folder where all script for creation of gtrub are stored
• 3772[19:17:27] <logithack1337> i've got a different question in the meantime: sometimes when i put "sudo ...", it tells me that it couldnt resolve the hostname "sudo". how can i prevent my system from trying to resolve "sudo" as a hostname?
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• 3774[19:17:39] <TomTomTosch> no, update-grub generates the grub.cfg so after you change /etc/default/grub you should run it.
• 3775[19:17:49] <greycat> logithack1337: stop tying "ssh sudo"
• 3776[19:18:03] <greycat> or ping sudo, or whatever it is you're typing that's not correct
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• 3779[19:18:30] <DoctorD90> yes TomTomTosch, but even if you edit script from /etc/grub.d ..not if you just delete /usr/lib/something...this is what i meant
• 3780[19:18:30] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: and how did you install it?
• 3781[19:18:36] <teraflops> oops TomTomTosch sorry
• 3782[19:18:44] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: and how did you install it?
• 3783[19:18:56] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, yea...just do not mistype sudo command heheheh
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• 3785[19:19:09] <TomTomTosch> DoctorD90: wat?
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• 3787[19:19:53] <DoctorD90> TomTomTosch, he is deleting files from /usr/lib/oldkernelnotrequired(4.7)...after that he would run update-grub...but in this case is useless
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• 3789[19:20:07] <teraflops> sudo pip install aka sillypip
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• 3793[19:20:24] <DoctorD90> just if he edits /etc/default/grub or /etc/grub.d/**files**
• 3794[19:20:25] <logithack1337> greycat: i havent typed "ssh sudo" lol
• 3795[19:20:42] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, sudo by itself, doesnt return that error
• 3796[19:20:47] <greycat> I am not familiar with this "/usr/lib/kernel.version" directory cocept.
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• 3799[19:21:16] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: i've removed the files in /lib/modules/4.7.2 and it rebooted correctly.t hat means i can get rid of the backups, too, right?
• 3800[19:21:32] <greycat> ah, /lib/modules/ is quite a bit different from /usr/lib/
• 3801[19:21:45] <DoctorD90> greycat, i didnt know that kernel was stored there...even because I have never compiled kernel from source...but using locate that showed
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• 3803[19:21:59] <DoctorD90> yea...sorry my mistakes...
• 3804[19:22:05] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: i've removed the files in /lib/modules/4.7.2 and it rebooted correctly.t hat means i can get rid of the backups, too, right?
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• 3808[19:22:35] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, yea....if you can boot with both kernel you can stay clear that all goes well :)
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• 3814[19:23:31] <logithack1337> another question: is it a good idea to run ms office in wine?
• 3815[19:23:40] <greycat> No.
• 3816[19:23:44] <logithack1337> thought so hahaha
• 3817[19:23:53] <conta> guys, I have /etc/letsencrypt/archive/im.hovancik.net/privkey1.pem that is accessible by user and link to that file that is `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root` what I need to do to make my user able to use the link?
• 3818[19:23:58] <DoctorD90> No.
• 3819[19:24:09] <logithack1337> what would you recommend doing if you had to use it? create a virtual machine just for that purpose?
• 3820[19:24:31] <greycat> conta: the permissions of the symlink are irrelevant. The permissions of the file that it *points to* are relevant, as well as all the directories in the full path of that filename.
• 3821[19:24:47] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, libreoffice is the way
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• 3823[19:25:11] <teraflops> conta: why do you need a user to get access to the private key?
• 3824[19:25:15] <conta> greycat: so what am I doing wrong? I can cat that file with full path but not via link
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• 3826[19:25:32] <conta> teraflops: app runs under that user
• 3827[19:25:37] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: yeah, but i'll carry out a final project for my 3 year job training this year, which we'll have to a create a documentation for, and i'm not sure whether were allowed to use libre office.
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• 3831[19:26:00] <greycat> conta: perhaps your symlink is pointing to the wrong thing. Show us the full output of ls -ld /etc/letsencrypt/archive/im.hovancik.net/privkey1.pem
• 3832[19:26:20] <conta> greycat: -rw-r--r-x 1 prosody prosody 1708 Sep 19 05:27 /etc/letsencrypt/archive/im.hovancik.net/privkey1.pem
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• 3834[19:26:28] <greycat> That's not a symlink.
• 3835[19:26:36] <teraflops> conta: why the privkey file though?
• 3836[19:26:55] <greycat> conta: what is the *name* (full pathname) of the symlink?
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• 3841[19:27:39] <conta> greycat: sudo ls -al /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Sep 19 05:27 privkey.pem -> ../../archive/im.hovancik.net/privkey1.pem
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• 3843[19:28:15] <conta> teraflops: I run prosody under prosody user, it needs to access key for ssl config
• 3844[19:28:21] <teraflops> oh
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• 3847[19:29:15] <greycat> So the symlink is /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net/privkey.pem ?
• 3848[19:29:48] <conta> greycat: yes
• 3849[19:30:02] <greycat> Make sure it points to the right place: ls -lL /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net/privkey.pem
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• 3851[19:30:43] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, if you cant do without ms office, PURCHASE A LICENSE :) and run under a windows vm :)
• 3852[19:30:59] <conta> with sudo I get -rw-r--r-x 1 prosody prosody 1708 Sep 19 05:27 /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net/privkey.pem, without it I get errorPermission denied
• 3853[19:31:00] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: already got a license ;)
• 3854[19:31:19] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: the windows vm is the bit that i dont like. ive already got one (windows 10) and its slow as hell lol
• 3855[19:31:25] <greycat> conta: OK, sounds like permissions on a directory. Check ALL of the directories in BOTH full paths.
• 3856[19:31:40] <DoctorD90> or just use libreoffice :P .....the only one thing i dont like of libreoffice is impress/powerpoint....it is the only one software not so for business....other are very great :)
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• 3858[19:31:59] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, if you want use win10.....I just run win7
• 3859[19:32:10] <greycat> e.g. ls -ld /etc/letsencrypt /etc/letsencrypt/live /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net /etc/letsencrypt/archive /etc/letsencrypt/archive/im.hovancik.net
• 3860[19:32:11] <logithack1337> DoctorD90: in a vm?
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• 3862[19:32:13] <DoctorD90> it works great even on this pc...a 10y old pc
• 3863[19:32:25] <unborn> logithack1337: update your specs on your vm.. 4 to 8 gigs of ram and add some cpus to it..
• 3864[19:32:38] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, yea....under vm this summer I have installed debian 1.1 too :P
• 3865[19:33:07] <DoctorD90> or just run any lower version of wintrash :P like w7...
• 3866[19:33:08] <logithack1337> unborn: my cpu has got 4 cores, so 8 virtual ones. i allocated 4 cpus to it and it was slow as f... somebody then told me to narrow it down to 2 cores, and it was faster! lol
• 3867[19:33:13] <logithack1337> still a pain in the arse though
• 3868[19:33:23] <unborn> lol
• 3869[19:33:33] <unborn> and whats the ram on it logithack1337 ?
• 3870[19:33:37] <logithack1337> its a netbook, so... not comparable to my gaming rig
• 3871[19:33:39] <logithack1337> 4 gb
• 3872[19:33:42] <logithack1337> vm has 2 gb
• 3873[19:34:02] <unborn> that should be enough for windows 7 or 10
• 3874[19:34:09] <logithack1337> 2 cores 2 gb ram
• 3875[19:34:12] <logithack1337> i assigned
• 3876[19:34:12] <conta> greycat: I can ls -al /etc/letsencrypt/live/ but not ls -al /etc/letsencrypt/live/im.hovancik.net
• 3877[19:34:14] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, lol....ok, you have 8 VIRTUAL CORES....but if you asks to use 4 cores....vm will use (probably) 1 "core"(thread) from each core...so it will run all core for a vm
• 3878[19:34:15] <unborn> im on laptop too.. trust me its nothing for gaming..
• 3879[19:34:40] <logithack1337> i know. i use it for programming and becoming "good" at linux
• 3880[19:34:45] <DoctorD90> just run 1 or 2 cpu for vm...
• 3881[19:34:53] <unborn> logithack1337: virtualbox or vmware?
• 3882[19:34:55] <logithack1337> my gaming rig has windows 7 on it, and that wont change lol.
• 3883[19:34:57] <logithack1337> unborn: virtualbox
• 3884[19:35:10] <unborn> that should not be slow defo logithack1337
• 3885[19:35:17] <logithack1337> i also had 3d acceleration on, but that made it even slower.
• 3886[19:35:18] <conta> greycat: drw-r--r-x 2 prosody prosody 4096 Sep 19 05:27 im.hovancik.net, and live is: drw-r--r-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 19 05:27 live. not sure what is wrong
• 3887[19:35:24] <greycat> conta: ls -ld shows you *a directory* instead of its contents, so if you just paste the long ls -ld command that I gave (use a pastebin site) ....
• 3888[19:35:27] <greycat> Or that.
• 3889[19:35:35] <greycat> Those directory permissions are fucked up.
• 3890[19:35:38] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, I have 3 gb of ram, 1 old 2duo...the win7vm has 1cpu and 1g ram(or 512mb)...win7 runs well...so just go safe
• 3891[19:35:45] <unborn> logithack1337: 3d acc. in virtualbox is experimental and its not very good
• 3892[19:35:46] <logithack1337> unborn: yeah somebody recommended me getting kvm and 2 other components
• 3893[19:36:05] <greycat> How in the hell did you get 645 permissions....
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• 3897[19:36:11] <logithack1337> unborn: would 2d acc be worth trying? sorry i dont know about these things lol.
• 3898[19:36:20] <unborn> logithack1337: hm... im happy with virtualbox.. have vmware licence from ex-job but its crap
• 3899[19:36:41] <conta> greycat: internet ;[ a lot of people had scripts doing that
• 3900[19:36:58] <unborn> logithack1337: just untick 3d acc..
• 3901[19:37:04] <DoctorD90> logithack1337, btw this is not wintrash support channel :P now you can go in glory :P
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• 3903[19:37:19] <logithack1337> tbh since ive moved to linux ive got to know the advantages of light-weight software which only provides you with what you need, no gimmicks and stuff that slows down your system.
• 3904[19:37:25] * unborn agree with DoctorD90 :)
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• 3906[19:37:31] <logithack1337> so vmware is in the same category as visual studio for me
• 3907[19:37:42] <greycat> conta: *Regular* directory permissions should be 755 (drwxr-xr-x) if you want to allow everyone on the system to see what's in the directories but not modify them.
• 3908[19:38:03] <greycat> I don't know if SSL private keys are supposed to be in regular directories or not.
• 3909[19:38:17] <unborn> logithack1337: vmware - you will need better machine for it.. and it will still be slow.. anyway what you using windows for? if i can ask
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• 3911[19:38:41] <conta> greycat: what would I do if I want them to be available only for that one user?
• 3912[19:38:54] <greycat> chown the directory to the user, and then chmod 700
• 3913[19:39:02] <DoctorD90> conta, just a suggest. Use freessl instead of letsencrypt :P "easier" and you learn more than just some commands :P
• 3914[19:39:44] <conta> I'll check that
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• 3917[19:40:11] <unborn> DoctorD90: i do use let's encrypt for various things.. so far best thing for me ( if I have to use it in public ) ...just side note from me.
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• 3921[19:41:05] <DoctorD90> conta, sorry, I would mean replaced-url
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• 3923[19:41:17] <unborn> dont use startssl..
• 3924[19:41:21] * teraflops shrugs
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• 3927[19:41:38] <unborn> i used them in past.. terrible!
• 3928[19:41:39] <DoctorD90> unborn, I dont like...anyone can have a "green check" in that way without any effort....
• 3929[19:41:58] <DoctorD90> according to me, 1 side of ssl cert goes down with that one...
• 3930[19:41:59] <logithack1337> unborn: well, i created a vm to be able to run visual studio. we've started programming in c# at school and somebody said it might be tricky getting it to run under linux. today i learned all you need is apt-get install monodevelop and thats it :D
• 3931[19:42:02] <teraflops> DoctorD90: I which universe is startssl better than letsenctrypt?
• 3932[19:42:06] <teraflops> :P
• 3933[19:42:14] <unborn> DoctorD90: sure....thats what let's encrypt does :) anyway did you read startssl tc?
• 3934[19:42:19] <DoctorD90> teraflops, i "hate" lestentrypc xD
• 3935[19:42:20] <teraflops> DoctorD90: I use both
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• 3937[19:42:24] <teraflops> oh I see
• 3938[19:42:34] <figosdev> letsnotencryptandsaywedid
• 3939[19:42:38] <DoctorD90> no unborn ..i just use for 1 or 2 site
• 3940[19:42:46] <logithack1337> unborn: so if mono works well, which i'm sure it does, the only use for my vm will be ms office once i've got to create my project documentation and presentation for the final project of my job training this year.
• 3941[19:42:49] <teraflops> irrational hate that's a legit reason hehe
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• 3943[19:43:01] <logithack1337> unborn: so only ms office for the vm. everything else i run under linux.
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• 3951[19:43:22] <unborn> DoctorD90: i understand that you hate let's encrypt .. you know, it all depends on knowledge i guess.. - nothing personal.. been using startssl before and once.. only for 9 months.. thanks never again.
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• 3953[19:44:14] <DoctorD90> unborn, why so? :)
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• 3955[19:44:29] <unborn> sorry - microsoft office is crapware.. I have master key for that as well and I hate that crapware. I would suggest thunderbird + libreoffice
• 3956[19:44:32] <nkuttler> DoctorD90: basing technical decisions on emotions sounds kinda lame
• 3957[19:44:33] <DoctorD90> (yes this are just peronal thigns :P)
• 3958[19:44:34] <croddy> there are some serious concerns about startssl's new CA owners issuing bad certs
• 3959[19:44:40] <croddy> or something like that
• 3960[19:44:43] <unborn> logithack1337: ^^^
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• 3962[19:44:55] <croddy> i recall it being a serious enough thing that i was willing to deal with the horrible letsencrypt process
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• 3964[19:45:19] <teraflops> croddy: oh beacuse startssl method is better :P
• 3965[19:45:20] <figosdev> having emotions != basing decisions on them
• 3966[19:45:21] <dax> (noting that "concerns about" means "documented incidents of")
• 3967[19:45:26] <teraflops> holy cow
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• 3969[19:45:33] <atralheaven> should I join the debian channel on OFTC or this channel is an official channel too now?
• 3970[19:45:47] <dax> atralheaven: #debian on OFTC is official, #debian on freenode is larger. your choice
• 3971[19:45:49] <croddy> yeah i actually do like just using normal openssl commands instead of some weirdo api. i guess this is offtopic though so i will stop here
• 3972[19:45:50] <greycat> You may join whichever channels you like.
• 3973[19:45:50] <logithack1337> unborn: i've got thunderbird and i love it. libreoffice ive never really got to try, but it might be mandatory that we use ms office for the documentation. i dont know yet.
• 3974[19:45:58] <teraflops> croddy: yeah
• 3975[19:46:00] <unborn> DoctorD90: hm.. coz I guess I run ssl longer and for more sites.. implementation and tcs are rubbish there.. nevermind.. startssl should be forgotten if its not already :)
• 3976[19:46:05] <DoctorD90> nkuttler, i just dont like that *anyone* can have a ssl cert without giving any data....just this one....if let'sencrypt asks data to release certs....ok, I will follow them :P but (maybe I wrong) from what I remeber, it is just some line of code
• 3977[19:46:15] <atralheaven> dax: Im looking for the larger one! so I would stay here
• 3978[19:46:17] <unborn> DoctorD90: plus automated process.. you know.. im in 2016
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• 3981[19:46:36] <atralheaven> I had a problem with my laptop brightness, I solved it by adding "acpi_backlight=video" to line 9 of "/etc/default/grub" file on Ubuntu. now I do the same on debian stable but it doesn't solve that problem!
• 3982[19:46:42] <atralheaven> the problem is that brightness does not change (that's not so important) and highest brightness level is not actually the highest brightness level, its one level darker. the second problem is more important for me!
• 3983[19:46:47] <unborn> DoctorD90: but if that is for you, sure, whatever works best for you.
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• 3985[19:46:58] <unborn> its just - not my cup of tea
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• 3987[19:47:25] <teraflops> DoctorD90: you have to own a domain whois is a thing
• 3988[19:47:56] <DoctorD90> ....heheheh... unborn yea, I agree with you, but i havnt udnerstood "tcs" related thing....tcs stands for?
• 3989[19:47:59] <teraflops> DoctorD90: you can lie to startssl too for the sake of god this is getting weird
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• 3991[19:48:05] <unborn> DoctorD90: btw you should really check how let's encrypt works.. really..
• 3992[19:48:19] <unborn> DoctorD90: terms and conditions
• 3993[19:48:22] <unborn> tc
• 3994[19:48:23] <DoctorD90> teraflops, yea...but at least I have to "register" :P
• 3995[19:48:29] * teraflops follows croddy attitude
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• 3998[19:49:16] <DoctorD90> unborn, yea...I havent read carefully all tcs, just what I need, and not, I dont read about letsencrypt by many times...btw....yea...maybe I should update me :P
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• 4000[19:49:51] <unborn> DoctorD90: let's encrypt does check your domain too ;) anyway let's encrypt worked for me and startssl not
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• 4002[19:50:19] <DoctorD90> :P Ok unborn :P I will go to update my knowledge in next spare times ^^
• 4003[19:50:23] <DoctorD90> thx!
• 4004[19:50:37] <unborn> heh
• 4005[19:50:38] <unborn> np
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• 4010[19:52:31] <teraflops> unborn: how's your score at ssl labs? :P
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• 4012[19:53:03] <unborn> teraflops: yeah I should have look at it, as I have no idea? want to test it? :)
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• 4019[19:53:23] <teraflops> unborn: lets talk in offtopic if you dont mind
• 4020[19:53:36] <unborn> that is the domain :) of course I dont mind.. pm send
• 4021[19:53:39] <teraflops> that's not debian related
• 4022[19:53:49] <unborn> yay off-topic.. ill be there
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• 4026[19:55:10] <roadrunneratwast> hi. this is such a fundamental question. i have an account on a remote debian server. I created a local debian machine. How do I edit documents on my remote debian machine from my local? Do I have to do everything through ssh and/or sftp or is there some way for me to mirror/directly edit. I can't get Tramp/Emacs to install btw which is what I was hoping to do
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• 4030[19:56:41] <greycat> You can either ssh to the remote and then run an editor on the remote, or you can mount the remote's data as a network file system on the local, and then run an editor on the local.
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• 4033[19:57:23] <roadrunneratwast> yeah. that's what i am doing but there are so many levels of indirection because i am running on a vm on a macintosh through ssh, and the key bindings are all screwed up
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• 4037[19:58:12] <roadrunneratwast> exit
• 4038[19:58:17] <roadrunneratwast> oops
• 4039[19:59:35] <roadrunneratwast> wait greycat. what does it mean to "mount the remote data as a network file system"?
• 4040[19:59:48] <roadrunneratwast> through dolphin?
• 4041[19:59:51] <roadrunneratwast> you can do this?
• 4042[19:59:53] <roadrunneratwast> or thunar?
• 4043[20:00:02] <greycat> roadrunneratwast: e.g. using sshfs on Debian. I don't know what those other things are.
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• 4045[20:00:24] <roadrunneratwast> ok. let me check that out.
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• 4048[20:00:31] <DoctorD90> teraflops, A+ mine :P just tested :P
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• 4051[20:01:17] <roadrunneratwast> greycat is there a guy frontend for sshfs?
• 4052[20:01:21] <roadrunneratwast> GUI
• 4053[20:01:28] <greycat> don'tknowdon'tcare
• 4054[20:01:34] <roadrunneratwast> ok
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• 4073[20:05:02] <figosdev> roadrunneratwast, replaced-url
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• 4075[20:05:09] <otyugh_II> hey
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• 4078[20:05:17] <roadrunneratwast> thanks figosdev
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• 4080[20:05:36] <koris> I guess there's no way to say this that doesn't sound like I'm trying to pressure people into doing what I want but actually I'm just curious: why haven't the Stretch images been updated in three weeks?
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• 4082[20:05:48] <greycat> Ask the stretch channel.
• 4083[20:05:52] <koris> oh oops
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• 4086[20:06:10] <otyugh_II> Do someone knows well xfce and jessie ?
• 4087[20:06:19] <somiaj> !ask
• 4088[20:06:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 4089[20:06:21] <otyugh_II> Could he confirm the xfdesktop problem ?
• 4090[20:06:29] <somiaj> otyugh_II: in what version of debian?
• 4091[20:06:29] <jhutchins> koris: Mostly because the images are not a priority, the repo is.
• 4092[20:06:33] <otyugh_II> jessie
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• 4095[20:07:15] <otyugh_II> the problem is any drag/drop is a copy action istead of moving
• 4096[20:07:19] <otyugh_II> which confuse a lot beginners
• 4097[20:07:23] <koris> thank you for the answer
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• 4100[20:07:52] <jhutchins> otyugh_II: Copy is the default for most systems.
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• 4104[20:08:09] <otyugh_II> oO
• 4105[20:08:15] <otyugh_II> It is not :o
• 4106[20:08:36] <otyugh_II> drag file top a directory and it get moved to it, not copied
• 4107[20:08:48] <otyugh_II> there is the "alt" key while droping for copying, actually
• 4108[20:09:12] <otyugh_II> -p
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• 4110[20:09:53] <otyugh_II> so... Guess the problem was fixed only on latter versions :s
• 4111[20:10:17] <saboru> is sshfs workin' with mosh yet?
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• 4129[20:18:39] <greycat> Anyone want to tell me how to make replaced-url
• 4130[20:19:02] <nkuttler> greycat: google.com/ncr
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• 4132[20:19:30] <greycat> I... don't know what that means, but that redirected to replaced-url
• 4133[20:19:44] <nkuttler> isn't that what you wanted?
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• 4136[20:19:49] <greycat> But my searches still go to replaced-url
• 4137[20:19:52] <nkuttler> no country redirect or somesuch
• 4138[20:19:53] <nkuttler> ah
• 4139[20:20:35] <nkuttler> works for me, i stay on .com. did you retry the same search? might be a cache
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• 4141[20:20:47] * greycat tries asking google for an answer
• 4142[20:20:57] <ksk> google knows best. was not able to solve this issue using my adroid phone on the holidays ;)
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• 4145[20:21:57] <ksk> "The NCR stands for "No Country Redirect", and it'll take you back to the regular, English-speaking Google.com without all the local results."
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• 4154[20:28:05] <greycat> Well, I submitted my IP address to google's form. We'll see.
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• 4161[20:31:44] <jhutchins> I would have to guess that your proxy is passing some sort of header info that reveals your origin.
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• 4163[20:32:27] <jhutchins> greycat: The one I notice is when I try to get to bbc.co.uk and get redirected to bbc.com (bbc america).
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• 4173[20:34:39] <greycat> The saudi arabia redirect is a fairly recent thing, and hopefully they'll undo it.
• 4174[20:35:28] <jhutchins> greycat: Have you tried messing with your nameservers?
• 4175[20:35:44] <greycat> I have no clue what you mean by that.
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• 4177[20:36:23] <greycat> Google sees my IP (199.231.184.176) and says "By jove, I shall server up my answers from saudi arabia instead of the US!"
• 4178[20:36:52] <preaction> sure, because they want to obey the law in SA, i suspect
• 4179[20:37:20] <greycat> I'm not in SA, and neither is my IP address.
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• 4181[20:37:43] <preaction> but if you're using a vpn, that's likely not how they're going about it. there's lots of info in your browser being sent with every request
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• 4183[20:38:03] <jhutchins> greycat: Sez here your IP address is in Toronto.
• 4184[20:38:25] <preaction> and yes, if your dns resolution isn't also going through the vpn, there's likely to be some weird problems
• 4185[20:38:30] <greycat> Toronto is pretty far from Saudi Arabia, even if my VPS supplier did decide to move the machine to Toronto.
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• 4187[20:38:50] <jhutchins> greycat: Agreed.
• 4188[20:38:53] <greycat> It's not a VPN. It's a single-IP VPS with a ssh -D SOCKS proxy.
• 4189[20:38:58] <cruncher> i get NY for you rip :p
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• 4191[20:39:44] <jhutchins> Hmn. network:Country-Code:US
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• 4201[20:43:19] <jhutchins> I think maybe their whois info is non-standard, I get a two-tiered answer that includes Secaucus NJ.
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• 4203[20:44:10] <figosdev> thats where the internet is located
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• 4206[20:44:35] <greycat> At the time I registered, the machines were physically hosted somewhere around there.
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• 4221[20:47:48] <jhutchins> I thought the internet ran on WOPR in Cheyanne Mountain.
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• 4223[20:48:10] <ksk> is that connected to the stargate?
• 4224[20:48:13] <preaction> nah. it's a small box on-loan to London
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• 4242[20:56:56] <Delf> When I start the computer, the usb audio device shows it's input and output for audio. But when I unplug while computer is on and plug back in, only one or neither show (input/output audio). It's an Creative X-Fi HD usb
• 4243[20:57:11] <Delf> Any clues what could be causing it?
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• 4247[20:59:26] <Delf> Don't see any usb related errors in /var/log/kern.log either
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• 4251[21:02:15] <jhutchins> Delf: Check dmesg
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• 4286[21:23:05] <dabblers-buffet> Hello, I am installing Debian Jessie 8 via a netinst image, I have a problem installing "Standard System Utilities", it fails.'
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• 4288[21:23:28] <dabblers-buffet> It only installs if I enable network mirrors, but do I have to enable network mirrors since I am installing via a netinst image?
• 4289[21:23:44] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: yes
• 4290[21:23:54] <dabblers-buffet> Ok, so I have to enable them.
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• 4292[21:23:56] <jhutchins> dabblers-buffet: You are installing from the mirrors.
• 4293[21:24:01] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: that is the purpose of a net install, hence the word "net"
• 4294[21:24:05] <dabblers-buffet> Thanks.
• 4295[21:24:15] <dabblers-buffet> It said it would make the install bigger if I enabled them.
• 4296[21:24:24] <dabblers-buffet> But hence the whole purpose of installing over the network.
• 4297[21:25:20] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: if you don't check any of those items, it will install without mirrors
• 4298[21:25:42] <dabblers-buffet> What items?
• 4299[21:25:50] <dabblers-buffet> The software that I'm installing?
• 4300[21:26:38] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: yes, any of the items you can add in taksel
• 4301[21:26:54] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: all of those items need to have mirrors enabled
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• 4303[21:27:26] <dabblers-buffet> It says right here, "You are installing from a netinst CD, which by itself only allows installation of a very minimal base system."
• 4304[21:27:40] <dabblers-buffet> Then it says, "Use a mirror to install a more 'complete' system.
• 4305[21:27:43] <dabblers-buffet> *"
• 4306[21:27:54] <dabblers-buffet> So there's no way I can bypass this and then install the software later?
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• 4308[21:28:36] <mtn> dabblers-buffet: yes, don't check any items. just like I told you
• 4309[21:28:44] <jhutchins> dabblers-buffet: Have you checked the md5sum of your image?
• 4310[21:28:58] <dabblers-buffet> Actually, I checked the SHA256sum of my image.
• 4311[21:29:02] <dabblers-buffet> They are both good.
• 4312[21:29:08] <dabblers-buffet> I don't use MD5.
• 4313[21:29:38] <jhutchins> dabblers-buffet: Could be a problem with the mirror or with your connection.
• 4314[21:29:51] <greycat> If you un-check all of the stuff in the task selection, you will end up with just the base system, and then you can install more stuff once you configure apt after booting.
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• 4316[21:30:09] <cek> Starting /init: /sbin/init exists but couldn't execute it (error -8)
• 4317[21:30:17] <cek> what type of error is that?
• 4318[21:30:22] <greycat> A really bad one.
• 4319[21:30:45] <greycat> You'll probably have to reboot with init=/bin/bash or from rescue media.
• 4320[21:31:07] <cek> well, older kernel/initrd works fine
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• 4323[21:31:43] <cek> OS error code 8: Exec format error
• 4324[21:31:43] <cek> is this the error or is it throwing seomethign custom?
• 4325[21:31:48] <jhutchins> cek: Your kernel and your version of init don't match, possibly due to an architecture difference?
• 4326[21:31:55] <greycat> cek: sounds plausible
• 4327[21:32:01] <jelly> cek: is this a physical or a virtual machine? custom kernel?
• 4328[21:32:04] <cek> well it was a simple apt-get upgrade
• 4329[21:32:09] <cek> physical. wtf i'm wondering.
• 4330[21:32:46] <jhutchins> cek: Is the older kernel still available?
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• 4332[21:32:55] <jelly> cek: what does "file -L /sbin/init" say?
• 4333[21:33:09] <michal_> could happen if you installed 32bit kernel on 64bit system or something like that
• 4334[21:33:22] <cek> you understand I have to boot inside initram, which I can't do because init is not there
• 4335[21:34:07] <jelly> perhaps it's just a broken initramfs image for that kernel
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• 4337[21:34:11] <michal_> hm, so maybe one of the binaries in the initramfs is bad
• 4338[21:34:30] <jhutchins> cek: Is the older kernel still available?
• 4339[21:34:37] <cek> /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64: gzip compressed data, last modified: Mon Sep 19 13:20:48 2016, from Unix /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 3.16.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) #1 SMP Debian 3, RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA
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• 4341[21:35:06] <jelly> cek: ok, and what's the older kernel that still works?
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• 4344[21:35:17] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 4345[21:35:18] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 4347[21:35:42] <cek> why would you guys set kernel to be the same across minor releases, it's consfusing
• 4348[21:35:52] <edju> I need to convert old kmail 3 mail from mbox to maildir. I've read the webpage for mb2md and it makes references to imap. I use pop3. Problem?
• 4349[21:36:03] <cek> uname -r is always showing the same version.
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• 4351[21:36:19] <jelly> cek: what does "uname -r" say?
• 4352[21:36:28] <jelly> cek: what does "file -L /sbin/init" say?
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• 4354[21:36:41] <greycat> A point release (e.g. Debian 8.6) does not necessarily (or even typically) have a newer kernel.
• 4355[21:36:47] <cek> # lsinitramfs -l /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 | grep sbin/init
• 4356[21:36:47] <cek> -rwxr-xr-x 184 root root 0 Feb 18 2015 sbin/init
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• 4358[21:37:04] <cek> old kernel is 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1 (2016-07-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 4360[21:37:37] <cek> it's 0 on this inirtd, too
• 4361[21:37:48] <greycat> -rwxr-xr-x 184 root root 0 Feb 18 2015 sbin/init
• 4362[21:37:58] <michal_> it's probably symlink
• 4363[21:38:05] <greycat> I am not familiar with lsinitramfs, but that's what mine gives
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• 4365[21:38:43] <greycat> From the link count of 184, maybe they're all hardlinks.
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• 4367[21:39:08] <dabblers-buffet> Is it possible for me to uncheck standard system utilities and install the system?
• 4368[21:39:23] <dabblers-buffet> I'm afraid if I install it without that dependency, that the system will not function.
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• 4370[21:39:29] <dabblers-buffet> I am in taskel currently.
• 4371[21:39:41] <greycat> dabblers: If you un-check all of the stuff in the task selection, you will end up with just the base system, and then you can install more stuff once you configure apt after booting.
• 4372[21:39:50] <Delf> jhutchins: No errors or complaining in dmesg either
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• 4375[21:40:41] <jelly> dabblers-buffet: yes, you can uncheck everything
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• 4377[21:41:04] <dabblers-buffet> Alright, I thought "standard system utilities" were critical system files that are needed to run the system.
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• 4380[21:41:42] <greycat> The critical ones can't be un-checked.
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• 4382[21:42:18] <cek> well
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• 4384[21:42:29] <cek> -rwxr-xr-x 184 root root 0 Sep 19 14:39 initbrk/sbin/init
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• 4386[21:42:44] <cek> vs. -rwxr-xr-x 184 root root 640344 Sep 19 14:41 initold/sbin/init
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• 4389[21:43:08] <cek> so wtf guys, why is init zero bytes regular file in newer initrd?
• 4390[21:43:36] <greycat> cek: sbin/init showing up as 0 bytes in lsinitramfs does not seem to be a problem, since the rest of us have that and ours works
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• 4393[21:43:51] <cek> un cpio it, see yourself
• 4394[21:44:07] <cek> i'm getting a regular file, not a link
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• 4396[21:45:23] <jhutchins> I blame systemd
• 4397[21:45:31] <jelly> so rebuild the initramfs, see what happens?
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• 4399[21:45:38] <greycat> -rwxr-xr-x 184 wooledg wooledg 640344 Feb 18 2015 sbin/init
• 4400[21:45:41] <greycat> See the link count. 184.
• 4401[21:45:47] <greycat> It's one of 184 hard links to a single inode.
• 4402[21:45:50] <jelly> silly busybox
• 4403[21:45:57] <cek> yeah, but your file is 640kb
• 4404[21:45:59] <cek> mine is zero
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• 4406[21:46:09] <afx_> Kinda urgent!! When I start my system tracker-store , tracker-miner-fs uses all my CPU . The temps rise to 90C on my laptop. I have excluded all directories to index . What else can I do ? I am using jessie x64
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• 4409[21:46:36] <greycat> cek: yours is 0 bytes *upon extraction*?
• 4410[21:46:43] <jelly> afx_: stop the process?
• 4411[21:46:46] <cek> yes don't you see above
• 4412[21:46:58] <afx_> jelly, it will start automatically by itself
• 4413[21:47:11] <jelly> afx_: sure, but that's not an urgent issue then
• 4414[21:47:11] <greycat> cek: it's extremely hard to figure out which pasted lines are from ls after gzip|cpio and which are from lsinitramfs
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• 4416[21:47:42] <cek> greyca better tell me does initramfs tools use busybox package? were are they getting this init and other files from?
• 4417[21:47:47] <jelly> afx_: note I didn't say "terminate the process", but "stop the process", send it the STOP signal
• 4418[21:48:10] <afx_> jelly, i kill it from htop
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• 4420[21:48:13] <greycat> cek: I would simply rebuild the initramfs and watch *very* carefully for errors this time.
• 4421[21:48:32] <afx_> jelly, sorry for the urgent thing , but I panicked when I saw the temps rise
• 4422[21:48:46] <rubdos> Any possibility to get [this](replaced-url
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• 4424[21:49:01] <rubdos> It's in networkmanager 0.9.10.2 apparently
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• 4426[21:49:25] <rubdos> Seems like a friend has problems on Raspbian regarding that bug ... :/
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• 4429[21:49:57] <greycat> !raspbian
• 4430[21:49:57] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 4431[21:50:35] <rubdos> greycat, I know, but default Jessie has the old version too ;)
• 4432[21:50:45] <rubdos> (being 0.9.10.0 build 7)
• 4433[21:51:38] <greycat> Has a bug report been filed in Debian for it? What is the Debian BTS number?
• 4434[21:51:47] <teraflops> rubdos: so you don't know if jessie version has the bug?
• 4435[21:52:00] <rubdos> Perhaps I should ask Raspbian indeed...
• 4436[21:52:00] <jelly> rubdos: the version on its own doesn't show whether a specific bug has been fixed (or whether it's even reproducible on Debian)
• 4437[21:52:32] <rubdos> teraflops, I didn't reproduce it, no.
• 4438[21:52:38] <rubdos> I'll ask #raspbian
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• 4444[21:55:02] <dD> Hi! Since about a week ago my laptop has been flickering between previous screens and current screens (for example, if I right click and then click elsewhere to disappear the menu, the menu still appears visually even though it's no longer there, flickering on and off). I suspect it may be a driver problem, but it's worked for years with no problem before.
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• 4446[21:55:12] <dD> Anyone know what it could be?
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• 4448[21:56:12] <roadrunneratwast> hi . does anyone know WINE well? i am using a program (pagemaker) that creates internal document links to files. unfortunately, the path names are absolute, not relative. EG: "C:\Folder\Folder\file.jpg" Before I try it out, does anyone know whether putting it under the "/drive_c" folder in .wine will allow pagemaker to find the file?
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• 4456[21:58:35] <jhutchins> scrubus?
• 4457[21:58:46] <roadrunneratwast> scribes is no good
• 4458[21:58:58] <roadrunneratwast> at least i couldn't figure out how to do document linking
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• 4470[22:04:24] <cek> well, it was a corrupted initramfs, probably caused by something else corrupted (ram, disk, raid)
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• 4511[22:25:27] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: crap. when i tried to install hangups with pip3 without root it didn't work. that's why i ran it as root.
• 4512[22:25:51] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: ^
• 4513[22:26:29] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: use pip3 install whatever --user or better, use virtualenvs
• 4514[22:27:06] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: the error you have is depedendency hell because you mixed pip libraries with debian repos ones
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• 4518[22:27:24] <ToHellWithGA> hells bells. would reinstalling python3 fix it?
• 4519[22:27:25] <thurstylark> What is the default network manager on Jessie?
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• 4521[22:27:39] <greycat> The default is the /etc/network/interfaces file.
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• 4525[22:27:56] <thurstylark> greycat: what software parses that file and applies the options?
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• 4528[22:28:08] <teraflops> never sudo pip install things because they'll interfere with the ones you install via package manager
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• 4531[22:28:25] <jhutchins> thurstylark: What's your real question?
• 4532[22:28:29] <greycat> thurstylark: Some boot scripts, possibly part of systemd, possibly not, I dunno.
• 4533[22:28:32] <ToHellWithGA> that makes sense now that you've explained it. is there an easy fix to such clobbering?
• 4534[22:28:35] <rattking> thurstylark: I believe its called 'ifupdown'
• 4535[22:28:48] <rattking> the packageis called ifupdown
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• 4537[22:29:12] <thurstylark> ahh networking.service. there it is
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• 4540[22:29:57] <teraflops> thurstylark: if youre lucky just sudo pip uninstall things
• 4541[22:30:19] <teraflops> thurstylark: oh sorry tab fail
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• 4543[22:30:31] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: if youre lucky just sudo pip uninstall things
• 4544[22:30:33] <thurstylark> jhutchins: having DHCP issues, and trying to figure out what to disable to switch to another network manager.
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• 4548[22:32:18] <jhutchins> thurstylark: Why would you change network management to fix dhcp?
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• 4550[22:32:35] <jhutchins> thurstylark: Network manager and wicd are mostly useful to manage portable systems.
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• 4555[22:33:15] <jhutchins> thurstylark: Why don't you tell us what the real problem is and try to solve it? DHCP issues == "Doesn't Work". Not enough info to help you.
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• 4558[22:33:54] <teraflops> e-n-i uses dhclient iirc
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• 4560[22:34:09] <thurstylark> jhutchins: because I use systemd-networkd most everywhere else, and I'd rather switch to it. I understand the DHCP issues, and can fix them, but I'd just rather do it with systemd-networkd
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• 4562[22:34:51] <implijer> I need a debian xfce user to try it for me (some use did not see what I see so I've a doubt) get a file and a directory on your xfce's desktop. Then drag the file icon in the directory. Does it copy or move ? That's the answer I'm after. Thanks !
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• 4564[22:35:33] <jhutchins> thurstylark: So you're implying that you're using something other than systemd, which would be the default in a jessie system. Perhaps this is an older system where networking is brought up by an init script?
• 4565[22:35:37] <implijer> s/use/user
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• 4567[22:35:55] <jhutchins> Bah, I'm not guessing what your setup is or playing 20 questions.
• 4568[22:35:59] <greycat> jhutchins: I think "everywhere else" means "non Debian"
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• 4572[22:36:57] <jhutchins> greycat: I think it's because aliens don't wear hats.
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• 4578[22:40:10] <implijer> no xfce-jessie user then :s
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• 4580[22:40:22] <remote> do bluetooth input devices work with any bluetooth service on linux?
• 4581[22:41:40] <jhutchins> remote: Most bluetooth devices will communicate with Linux.
• 4582[22:43:01] <remote> yeah but I could find no evidence that input devices work for anyone using linux and it's a bit unexpected
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• 4584[22:43:39] <remote> i was able to make my headset pair and play audio from the computer through its speakers but the microphone never worked
• 4585[22:44:09] <teraflops> remote: bt headset is not an input device
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• 4587[22:44:57] <jhutchins> remote: I've heard of people having that problem, I believe it's device-specific.
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• 4589[22:45:19] <teraflops> i recall an old bug about it
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• 4592[22:45:43] <teraflops> about the mic issue
• 4593[22:46:20] <remote> teraflops: i tried a bit over a year ago and remember having a conversation with pulseaudio devs that suggested it may work very soon but it was unclear
• 4594[22:46:32] <tom99> The German art of humiliating any technology, agricultural product, or (medical) scientific work that has not been ivented or produced in Germany, Switzerland, or Austria.
• 4595[22:46:40] <teraflops> remote: i guess they already fixed time ago
• 4596[22:46:40] <jhutchins> remote: People use bluetooth keyboards with linux all the time though (think raspbery pi), so "input devices" tend to work.
• 4597[22:46:41] <tom99> defined as "NIH" or "Not Invented Here"
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• 4599[22:46:53] <jhutchins> remote: I would google the headset model and "linux".
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• 4603[22:47:41] <teraflops> remote: what i know for sure is that any bt device (headset mouse keyboard) i've tested under linux worked
• 4604[22:47:42] <jhutchins> remote: Possible solution: Remove pulseaudio.
• 4605[22:47:55] <remote> jhutchins: there's really nothing at this point i was just looking for someone to cheer me up and tell me they say someone using a bluetooth mic with a linux box
• 4606[22:48:03] <teraflops> perhaps I'm lucky but I don't think so
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• 4608[22:48:36] <remote> i'm not running it this time
• 4609[22:48:37] <teraflops> remote: I include bt headsets and their mics
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• 4611[22:49:16] <jaggz> for years I've had a lot of problems with KDE and desktop effects. Animations will flicker, the screen gets stuck where some things won't update. The clock got stuck at a few hours before. Toggling desktop effects off/on usually fixes it, although the clock one was interesting
• 4612[22:49:21] <teraflops> remote: with pulseadio ofc
• 4613[22:49:29] <jaggz> because when I toggled it, it would show the old time
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• 4615[22:49:53] <remote> teraflops: yeah the device did pair, and was usable, as an earbud, just not a speaker
• 4616[22:50:03] <jhutchins> jaggz: I had those problems too. Turned out the cause was kde4.
• 4617[22:50:11] <remote> i'll give it another shot
• 4618[22:50:40] <teraflops> remote: well actual output, logs, and so on would help
• 4619[22:50:46] <teraflops> remote: yeah
• 4620[22:50:55] <jaggz> jhutchins, I'm now at kde5 though
• 4621[22:51:30] <jaggz> and I still have the issues. I'm not sure what it is.
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• 4626[22:54:16] <jhutchins> jaggz: I didn't know they'd gone to 5. Incompatible with all packages from 3.5 and 4?
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• 4629[22:55:32] <jhutchins> jaggz: What I saw with kde after 3.5 was that they were trying to do too much, and it all got tangled up. Failures cascaded and made things that should work fail.
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• 4631[22:55:47] <jhutchins> jaggz: Maybe your system doesn't have the resources to run what they include now.
• 4632[22:55:53] <jaggz> jhutchins, maybe I'm wrong :) trying to see how to find kde version now :)
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• 4634[22:56:09] <jhutchins> ,v kde-full
• 4635[22:56:10] <judd> Package: kde-full on amd64 -- wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:91; stretch: 5:91
• 4636[22:56:44] <jaggz> what's that syntax?
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• 4638[22:57:03] <jhutchins> jag /msg judd v <package>
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• 4640[22:57:22] <jhutchins> jaggz: I found kde-full from aptitude search kde.
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• 4642[22:57:34] <jaggz> no I mean, 5{colon}77 ?
• 4643[22:57:50] <jhutchins> jaggz: Well, I'm guessing it means "not 4".
• 4644[22:58:00] <jaggz> lol
• 4645[22:58:34] <jhutchins> I'm pretty comfortable with xfce these days, maybe I'll check out KDE next time I do a hardware refresh.
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• 4648[22:59:03] <greycat> !epoch
• 4649[22:59:03] <dpkg> [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
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• 4651[22:59:11] <greycat> !version epoch
• 4652[22:59:11] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
• 4653[22:59:24] <jaggz> would be nice to set a "checkpoint" in your fs, do whatever you want, and back up
• 4654[22:59:57] <greycat> jaggz: you mean LVM snapshots?
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• 4657[23:00:19] <andril> 8.6 upgrades :)
• 4658[23:00:42] <jaggz> greycat, oh I didn't even know LVM supported that
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• 4663[23:00:57] <greycat> They're a pretty major feature.
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• 4666[23:02:15] <cek> greycat it was an official Adaptec FW update that caused wreck and chaos. Downgraded back -- no more zero sized files with unknown consequences.
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• 4684[23:10:24] <csd_> is there any reason why by default i can't apt-get install openjdk-8 on jessie? the openjdk docs make it look like it should be available by default ( replaced-url
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• 4687[23:11:31] <babilen> judd: v openjdk-8-jdk
• 4688[23:11:32] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u102-b14.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u102-b14.1-2; stretch: 8u102-b14.1-2
• 4689[23:11:36] <babilen> dpkg: jessie backports
• 4690[23:11:36] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 4691[23:11:41] <babilen> csd_: ^
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• 4693[23:12:29] <babilen> Yeah, it is available through jessie-backports
• 4694[23:12:39] <babilen> No idea why they document it that way
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• 4696[23:13:32] <csd_> ok
• 4697[23:13:54] <csd_> kinda wondered whether it had been available at one point and then was pulled or something
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• 4701[23:15:11] <mtcj> Do you think the Debian project will ever run out of Toy Story characters?
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• 4703[23:15:56] <babilen> No
• 4704[23:16:15] <babilen> Well .. it will eventually happen, but then they have finally release "Debian troll"
• 4705[23:16:33] <babilen> (I have been looking forward to that one for quite a while now)
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• 4714[23:19:38] <csd_> babilen: how reliable are backports in practice
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• 4716[23:19:59] <bibble_> lol babilen
• 4717[23:20:31] <babilen> bibble_: I'm totally serious. Unfortunately the majority thought "stretch" is a better name ;(
• 4718[23:20:34] <mtcj> I think backports are a step above best effort testing
• 4719[23:20:38] <babilen> csd_: 5
• 4720[23:20:59] <csd_> 5 ?
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• 4722[23:21:06] <bibble_> see :D
• 4723[23:21:11] <mtcj> babilen: I think you're making some assumptions there
• 4724[23:21:24] <mtcj> Many people believe backports are at least 7
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• 4726[23:21:44] <babilen> Okay .. maybe you are right. I'll settle for 7.2
• 4727[23:22:21] <babilen> csd_: It really depends on the maintained in question .. Normally they work fine and are upgraded in due course (mostly on time)
• 4728[23:22:26] <babilen> *maintainer
• 4729[23:22:45] <mtcj> csd_: replaced-url
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• 4731[23:22:50] <babilen> openjdk-* packages should be fine and well maintained
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• 4733[23:22:55] <mtcj> That explains all the numbers
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• 4735[23:24:29] <mtcj> I suppose packages are kind of like mutual funds. It's not about the fund group, it's about the fund manager
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• 4928[23:51:36] <ToHellWithGA> i would think that would overwrite any goofed files
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• 4941[23:51:48] <teraflops> here we go
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• 4946[23:52:08] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: did you look in /usr/local for python files like i suggested? that's where pip _should_ be installing to
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• 4954[23:52:28] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: apt-get install --reinstall the packages
• 4955[23:52:30] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: i found this for sure
• 4956[23:52:31] <ToHellWithGA> ryan@ptolemy:~$ which hangups
• 4957[23:52:32] <ToHellWithGA> /usr/local/bin/hangups
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• 4961[23:52:40] <ToHellWithGA> that seems like the right spot
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• 4965[23:53:20] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: you probably also need to check /usr/local/lib. 'pip uninstall' didn't work?
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• 4967[23:53:36] <ToHellWithGA> i also have /usr/local/lib/python3.4 which is jam packed full of stuff
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• 4969[23:53:47] <ToHellWithGA> pip3 won't run enough to uninstall
• 4970[23:54:01] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: it's that directory is empty on a stock debian system
• 4971[23:54:25] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: /usr/local is for stuff sysadmins want to install not using apt/dpkg.
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• 4973[23:55:04] <mtcj> Has anyone here used BTRFS on Debian? Were you happy with the results in your use case?
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• 4977[23:55:34] <teraflops> mtcj: I do
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• 4981[23:55:46] <mtcj> What do you use it for, teraflops?
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• 4983[23:56:02] <ToHellWithGA> jmcnaught: can i safely rm everything in /usr/local, or do i need to leave an empty directory tree in place?
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• 4986[23:56:32] <popsch> how can I permanently add a kernel boot parameter to debian? I found the documentation in jessie of how to add one during install time, but not how to add it for grub in a permanent way
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• 4988[23:56:51] <teraflops> mtcj: a couple of production servers. btrfs + subvols partitionless
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• 4991[23:57:19] <mtcj> popsch: you can add options to the files in /etc and run update-grub
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• 4994[23:57:31] <mtcj> I'm interested in the idea of filesystem snapshots
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• 4996[23:58:11] <popsch> mtcj, but which files, it's quite convoluted. I see /etc/grub.d/ with lots of script files. but I don't see a file that has a config that's appended to every vmlinuz the scripts find
• 4997[23:58:38] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: you can leave /usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages as an empty directory (and delete everything in it). Python software that was relying on those locally installed python packages will break, but you should either install those python libraries from Debian packages, or using pip --user or a virtualenv
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• 4999[23:59:06] <teraflops> mtcj: not only taking snapshots also btrfs send | btrfs receive over the network
• 5000[23:59:08] <jmcnaught> ToHellWithGA: if you don't know about virtualenvs, you should learn about them because it'll make your life a lot easier when dealing with python dependencies
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