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55[00:24:50] <Epx998> Jessie the latest debian release?
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59[00:25:26] <EnchanterTim> Hello, I keep getting this network error since this morning, before it was fine: ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED and websites are breaking/half laoding, ajax sites are failing, chrome fails to load sites entirely sometimes
60[00:25:32] <simbalion> Can anyone recommend a way to sound an audible alert on my workstation when specific accounts on my server receive new emails? Thunderbird has a new email alert but it is not inbox specific and it peridically doesn't work at all
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62[00:26:03] <EnchanterTim> This only happens in my Debian Jessie pc, and I have a lapotp with a diff distro, it doesn't happen there, same network. I've got both wired into cale modem.
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65[00:26:25] <EnchanterTim> I've checked my dns settings in resolv.conf and they are fine, no proxy or dns custom servers being used.
66[00:26:36] <EnchanterTim> Any idea on what could be possibly causing this?
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87[00:39:12] <fasle> Hey there, I cannot find a link for a torrent that has Debian stretch iso with firmware
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92[00:39:51] <fasle> ftp download steams along with 50Kbyte, 2hrs left. was wondering if there's a torrent
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94[00:40:09] <abrotman> ftp or http?
95[00:40:48] <abrotman> fasle: amd64?
96[00:40:48] <fasle> I believe I tried both
97[00:40:51] <fasle> yeah
98[00:40:57] <abrotman> replaced-url
99[00:41:00] <abrotman> isn't that what you want?
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104[00:41:44] <fasle> ok ... bt for bittorrent ... not my brightest day sorry and thanks!
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108[00:42:50] <fasle> yepp, line saturated as desired :)
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116[00:48:19] <CannedSpinach> is it ok to run dpkg-buildpackage with sudo?
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131[00:53:59] <simbalion> nvm I found my answer in an app called mailnag
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192[01:30:56] <blackmamba> that pae kernel update made this machine scream
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195[01:31:38] <blackmamba> running 10degree F cooler too
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198[01:33:25] <blackmamba> thanks, have a Good day!
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584[05:17:50] <midhun> replaced-url
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586[05:18:15] <midhun> please help me
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590[05:19:32] <mandeep> midhun: did you try what the traceback said?
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594[05:20:09] <EnchanterTim> It seems that it was an update/bug in chrome browser, on debian jessie only that browser gives the problems I mentioned above with ERR_NETWORK_CHANGED and other browsers are fine
595[05:20:22] <EnchanterTim> Anyone tried out quantum firefox in jessie?
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597[05:20:40] <EnchanterTim> I coudln't find any packages or backports.
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601[05:21:51] <Sveta> midhun: export LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 && export LANG=C.UTF-8 && npm2deb depends -b -r jade
602[05:22:04] <midhun> Sveta
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604[05:22:52] <midhun> thanks Sveta
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606[05:22:58] <midhun> that works
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610[05:23:58] <Sveta> midhun: ok :)
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612[05:24:08] <Sveta> midhun: i just did what it asked
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615[05:25:08] <notadrop> is GPG config stored at ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf in Debian?
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617[05:26:15] <themill> sure
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656[05:53:51] <awal1> ,v obamenu
657[05:53:53] <judd> No package named 'obamenu' was found in amd64.
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671[05:59:18] <dTal> thanks obamenu
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725[06:34:30] <vicky> hi everyone, i am trying to add Oracle Virtualbox's keys to debian 9 and i keep getting the following error ---> replaced-url
726[06:34:53] <vicky> something to do with "keydb_get_keyblock failed"
727[06:35:12] <vicky> google hasn't had much to offer by way of a solution on this :(
728[06:35:52] <Edu4rdSHL> vicky, the .asc file is not valid.
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731[06:37:25] <Edu4rdSHL> vicky, follow it:
732[06:37:28] <Edu4rdSHL> wget -q replaced-url
733[06:37:35] <Edu4rdSHL> wget -q replaced-url
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737[06:40:01] <vicky> Edu4rdSHL: thanks for replying, i still get the same error upon running those commands
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739[06:40:51] <vicky> this is fresh install of Debian 9
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742[06:42:13] <Edu4rdSHL> Well vicky, good to know. Execute it: # sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys
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747[06:45:08] <vicky> Edu4rdSHL: no luck with that either --> replaced-url
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763[06:58:29] <hwdyki> i've updated to kernel 4.9.0-5-amd64 and kodi has slowed down to a crawl. loading a SD mp4 takes minutes when it used to be instant. anyone else experiencing this?
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794[07:27:06] <tripkin> I am running debian 9 on my server, but booted it without a monitor attached. When I attach a monitor, pressing any keys on the keyboard does not wake it up. Is there anything I can do to wake up the monitor without rebooting the server?
795[07:27:32] <tripkin> I do not have X installed - text interface only
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797[07:30:00] <hwdyki> i have the same problem with X.
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803[07:33:34] <well_laid_lawn> if the graphics card is trying to show anything, even a tty, when you connect a monitor it should be shown
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805[07:37:25] <tripkin> well_laid_lawn, the monitor is in power save mode and nothing I type on the keyboard changes that. I am guessing that is because the monitor was not plugged in to the video card when I booted the server.
806[07:37:57] <tripkin> So, like the graphics card is not trying to show anything. Do you know how I can change that without a reboot?
807[07:38:25] <tripkin> I can ssh the server just fine, but would like to use the console display
808[07:38:43] <well_laid_lawn> not offhand - it should have done something
809[07:38:55] <well_laid_lawn> can't ssh in ?
810[07:39:20] <tripkin> I can ssh in just fine, but would also like to use the console
811[07:39:56] <well_laid_lawn> have a look at dmesg - see if there's an error
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818[07:44:45] <tripkin> I see no errors between the time the video card (nvidia) is initialized and the end of the messages
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825[07:48:09] <tripkin> I have put the dmesg lines regarding drm and nouveau here: replaced-url
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830[07:50:12] <tripkin> That is every line that has to do with the video / display
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833[07:51:31] <tripkin> I guess I am just going to have to reboot. <sigh> Thanks for your responses though.
834[07:51:44] <well_laid_lawn> all I can suggest is if the vid card has more than one connection try one of the others
835[07:51:50] <well_laid_lawn> luck
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838[07:53:29] <tripkin> Thanks
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876[08:27:51] <DullTube> hey, how does one get access to extra tools during installation phase?
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878[08:28:29] <darxmurf> morning
879[08:29:41] <Haohmaru> damn it, i'm copying a ~4GB file over the LAN, and it gets corrupted (i have a sha256sum of the original)
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881[08:30:04] <Haohmaru> and that's not all, 3 attempts so far result in 3 different incorrect sha256sums
882[08:30:17] <Haohmaru> is there some clever way to copy files?
883[08:30:28] <Haohmaru> ..over flaky connections
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900[08:37:22] <darxmurf> how do you copy that ?
901[08:37:35] <Haohmaru> via the file manager
902[08:37:39] <Haohmaru> PCManFM
903[08:38:00] <darxmurf> it's between 2 linux machines ?
904[08:38:02] <Haohmaru> the source is a debian samba server
905[08:38:12] <darxmurf> use rsync
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907[08:38:32] <darxmurf> do you have a SSH access on this machine ?
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909[08:38:41] <Haohmaru> on the server?
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911[08:39:00] <darxmurf> yep
912[08:39:22] <Haohmaru> not sure.. gonna try
913[08:39:33] <Haohmaru> do i need to be root?
914[08:39:49] <darxmurf> nop, you just need to have read access to those files :-)
915[08:40:32] <Haohmaru> okay, i'm there
916[08:40:40] <darxmurf> easy :-)
917[08:40:41] <darxmurf> so
918[08:41:15] <darxmurf> so, from the linux destination machine, just do something like: rsync -avn root@source:/path/to/files /destination/folder/
919[08:41:20] <darxmurf> of course change the paths...
920[08:41:50] <darxmurf> rsync will copy "dry run" it means nothing will be copied. But if you see a list of files, it means you have access and you can run the copy for real then
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922[08:42:50] <darxmurf> the if all looks good, relaunch the rsync command with -av as parameters
923[08:43:07] <darxmurf> the = then
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926[08:44:27] <Haohmaru> list of files!?
927[08:44:38] <darxmurf> when you run rsync -avn root@source:/path/to/files /destination/folder/
928[08:44:43] <darxmurf> what's the result on your screen ?
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930[08:44:51] <darxmurf> ah I mean launch that from a terminal
931[08:44:55] <Haohmaru> the folder contains more stuff but i only need one file from there
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933[08:45:03] <darxmurf> aah ok
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935[08:45:10] <darxmurf> I thought you wanted to sync the whole folder
936[08:45:18] <Haohmaru> noooo
937[08:45:21] <Haohmaru> :/
938[08:45:26] <darxmurf> then : rsync -avn root@source:/path/to/files/your-file.zip /destination/folder/
939[08:45:29] <darxmurf> works too :-)
940[08:45:35] <Haohmaru> it's an ISO, but the folder has a pile of ISOs
941[08:46:00] <darxmurf> then give the full path and file name to rsync :-)
942[08:46:02] <Haohmaru> hold on
943[08:46:06] <Haohmaru> there's a problem
944[08:46:40] <Haohmaru> now that i'm logged into the samba machine, i ran sha256sum on the file from it and i get 2 different results for two attempts
945[08:46:49] <darxmurf> haha
946[08:47:01] <Haohmaru> and they don't match the original sum
947[08:47:02] <Haohmaru> x_x
948[08:47:06] <darxmurf> is there somebody uploading this file at the moment ?
949[08:47:12] <Haohmaru> no
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951[08:47:35] <darxmurf> sure ?
952[08:47:38] <Haohmaru> does this mean the harddisk is getting messed up?
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955[08:48:38] <Haohmaru> yes, the file has been put there months ago
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958[08:50:35] <Haohmaru> could a semi-broken hard disk give random values each time you read it?
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960[08:52:26] <darxmurf> I would say not
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962[08:52:37] <kopper> How is something semi-broken?
963[08:52:52] <darxmurf> when you break only one bone of you leg ? :D
964[08:53:07] <Haohmaru> when you break it GENTLY ;P~
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966[08:53:28] <kopper> Wow, guess you learn something everyday
967[08:53:42] <kopper> Gracious rm -rf / only semi-breaks your system
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969[08:54:48] <Haohmaru> btw, is "apt-get upgrade" the equivalent of "mark all updates" via synaptic?
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995[09:09:53] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: I suppose you ran your sha command from terminal ? or do you use a GUI tool ?
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997[09:10:46] <hannes77> Hello, today i saw, that an update for the package linux-image (3.16.51-3+deb8u1) was released. Does someone knows about the state of the debian jessie backport kernel (linux-image-4.9.0-0)?
998[09:11:12] <Haohmaru> darxmurf from putty, logged into the samba server
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1007[09:14:33] <darxmurf> if you sha another file ?
1008[09:14:37] <darxmurf> does it change too ?
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1010[09:15:02] <darxmurf> of and by the way, what's the last modification time of your ISO ?
1011[09:15:14] <Haohmaru> i'll check
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1014[09:15:57] <Haohmaru> but small files work.. the original sha sum of the ISO is in a txt file next to it, and it opens fine over the LAN
1015[09:16:33] <darxmurf> the original checksum in the file is maybe wrong :-)
1016[09:17:48] <Haohmaru> last modified in 2014
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1018[09:18:09] <Haohmaru> well, it could be, but that still doesn't solve the "different sha sum each time"
1019[09:18:52] <ezdev> which sha?
1020[09:19:03] <darxmurf> if you md5sum the file ?
1021[09:19:05] <ezdev> 1 256 512?
1022[09:19:06] <darxmurf> same change ?
1023[09:19:50] <Haohmaru> when i'm doing sha256sum on the ISO from within the machine, i got 2 different results from two attempts
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1025[09:20:28] <Haohmaru> i got 3 different results from 3 attempts after copying the file from the samba over the LAN to another computer, and i thought the corruption is happening via the network
1026[09:20:37] * ezdev wonders if somehow its a symlink to
1027[09:20:40] <ezdev> exactly
1028[09:21:00] <Haohmaru> hm?
1029[09:21:23] <ezdev> well i mean its either a network issue or your hd controller, right?
1030[09:21:40] <darxmurf> I would be surprised
1031[09:21:47] <Haohmaru> yes, and my uneducated nose tells me it's more likely the hard disk
1032[09:21:47] <ezdev> slash drivers
1033[09:22:14] <darxmurf> what if you run a sha on one of the othe ISO ?
1034[09:22:25] <darxmurf> I mean a fat ISO, not a 100ko file
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1036[09:22:34] <Haohmaru> i'll try that
1037[09:22:48] <ezdev> i think for a drive to be that wrong, it would also have to be very warm and make lots of noise (unless ssd)
1038[09:22:48] <Haohmaru> "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ca-certificates_20141019+deb8u3_all.deb" <- is this bad?
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1040[09:23:09] <ezdev> that could just mean it didnt download all the needed packages
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1043[09:23:36] <Haohmaru> it's a hard disk, the linux is installed on it, and there's also a big partition on it which is used for the samba
1044[09:23:45] <Haohmaru> i think it's an ntfs partition
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1049[09:25:50] <darxmurf> Oo
1050[09:26:08] <DarkStar1> Morning. I compiled cairo as per instructions on: replaced-url
1051[09:26:09] <darxmurf> how old is this machine ?
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1110[09:58:44] <Haohmaru> darxmurf i don't know, i'm no expert in archeology ;P~
1111[09:59:32] <ezdev> if its a laptop itll have a copyright date on the bottom
1112[09:59:54] <ezdev> cat /proc/cpuinfo will have information that can be used to date it
1113[10:00:00] <Haohmaru> i think it's a butchered laptop
1114[10:00:07] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: cat /etc/debian_version
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1116[10:00:15] <darxmurf> then launch: uptime
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1118[10:00:30] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: Is there a reason you're compiling from hand instead of just installing the packages shipped with Debian?
1119[10:00:51] <Haohmaru> 10:58:06 up 155 days, 3:08, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.13
1120[10:01:10] <Haohmaru> debian is 8.10 but i just "upgraded" it and haven't rebooted yet
1121[10:01:19] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: Need to compile libroffice from source and the packages versions are too old
1122[10:01:40] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: Sure, but *why* do you need to compile from source?
1123[10:01:41] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: Looks like I may have to dist-upgrade to 9 instead to solve my issues
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1125[10:01:53] <petn-randall> ,v libreoffice
1126[10:01:54] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u10; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1; stretch-backports: 1:5.4.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:5.4.4-1; sid: 1:5.4.4-1; experimental: 1:6.0.0~rc1-1
1127[10:02:07] <Haohmaru> ezdev Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
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1129[10:02:15] <ezdev> whoa
1130[10:02:34] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: to get the correc version of the libraries
1131[10:02:35] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: Yes, that would make sense, you can then use stretch-backports to get the most current LO available.
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1135[10:03:19] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: I haev to build libreOffice from the latest git source because it's what's advised for the LibreOffice Online documentation
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1138[10:04:59] <ezdev> so its like 9 years old?
1139[10:05:00] <darxmurf> ezdev: ^^
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1141[10:06:44] <ezdev> maybe 7 years
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1159[10:18:28] <Haohmaru> yes, and the harddisk in that thing is a different story, but chances are very high that it's not a brand new one
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1161[10:20:54] <darxmurf> Well, I have pretty old disks still running file :-)
1162[10:21:25] <petn-randall> !goal
1163[10:21:25] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1164[10:21:28] <petn-randall> DarkStar1: ^^^
1165[10:21:51] <Haohmaru> i rebooted it but it's not appearing :/
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1167[10:22:03] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: any result with your sha or md5 on another ISO ?
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1170[10:22:24] <Haohmaru> no, it's not coming back after reboot
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1173[10:22:43] <DarkStar1> petn-randall: I was in the middle of doing that when I got a response from the libreOffice channel.
1174[10:22:56] <DarkStar1> it seems I
1175[10:23:00] <petn-randall> Oh great, so you're crossposting.
1176[10:23:02] <petn-randall> !crosspost
1177[10:23:02] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
1178[10:23:05] <DarkStar1> should do a dist-upgrade
1179[10:23:05] <Haohmaru> during apt-get upgrade, i saw some message like "Warning missing something something rtl<something>"
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1181[10:23:52] <Haohmaru> "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r816" and a bunch of variations of that
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1187[10:26:49] <rant> Haohmaru: you are doing an aweful lot of talking but dont seem to be expressing any addressable coherant issue or asking any specific question
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1193[10:28:36] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: I would propose first to fix/upgrade your machine and then check this samba/sha issue
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1202[10:33:20] <Haohmaru> forget the samba issue
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1204[10:33:36] <Haohmaru> the linux broke after or during "upgrade"
1205[10:34:11] <Haohmaru> after grub, it says "Gave up waiting for root device"
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1207[10:34:25] <Haohmaru> and then "initramfs" something and i can type something
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1209[10:36:25] <Haohmaru> there's also "ALLERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... does not exist"
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1213[10:37:11] <Haohmaru> does that mean that one of the partitions in fstab is not found by uuid for some reason?
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1215[10:37:47] <Haohmaru> grub works, it even has its debian background image
1216[10:38:46] <somiaj> Haohmaru: can you share the output of apt-cache policy, along with what version did you dist-upgrade from and to?
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1219[10:39:13] <somiaj> and yes the alart is due to an fstab entry not beign found.
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1240[10:49:37] <Haohmaru> somiaj i did not "dist-upgrade" .. i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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1246[10:50:25] <Haohmaru> it's debian 8.<something> 32bit
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1250[10:52:02] <Haohmaru> should i try to type something at this initramfs prompt, or try something else like plugging a linux live distribution to see what's going on on the hard disk..?
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1260[10:57:29] <darxmurf> Well as you can't boot, I wouls recommend to boot a live debian, launch a fsck, then mount and chroot on the disk, reinstall grub and reboot
1261[10:57:52] <jim> hi, trying to figure whether I updated properly... the update page says 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 is the current fixed version for stretch... I seem to have 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
1262[10:58:08] <jim> which package is 2 in?
1263[10:58:18] <somiaj> jim: do you have the metapackage linux-image-amd64 installed?
1264[10:58:34] <jim> I think I avoided that
1265[10:58:36] <colo-work> I have Installed: 4.9+80+deb9u3
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1267[10:58:43] <colo-work> resulting in
1268[10:58:44] <colo-work> Linux d257 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1269[10:58:58] <somiaj> the abi change in the kernel caused the package name to change from linux-image-4.9.0-4-arch to linux-image-4.9.0-5-arch, so it is in a new package.
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1271[10:59:08] <somiaj> jim: you should install the meta package to ensure you always can pull in the most recent kernel.
1272[10:59:44] <jim> ok, installing the megapackage now
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1274[11:00:32] <Haohmaru> darxmurf but grub seems to work.. i see list of debian boot options and the debian background image..
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1276[11:01:44] <petn-randall> jim: _meta_, not mega :)
1277[11:01:52] <jim> looks like I didn't have 4.9.0-5
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1281[11:02:39] <jim> petn-randall, so it's not that big?
1282[11:02:47] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: yep but grub is probably in your MBR. There you can have a GRUB with a message like "yay broken laptop". It will still load but you won't boot your machine
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1286[11:03:19] <somiaj> jim: meta is a small package that depends on another package. In this case the kernel meta package will depend on the current kernel, in this case the package you were missing.
1287[11:03:40] <somiaj> jim: having the metapackage installed will ensure that during upgrades in which the current kernel package changes, you get the new kernel.
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1297[11:05:26] <jim> what does 4.9.0-5 fix?
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1299[11:06:28] <temy> jim: it implements a near separation of kernel and user to prevent exploits of Meltdown
1300[11:06:45] <temy> Meltdown affects all devices using Intel
1301[11:07:03] <temy> I am still waiting for a patch against Spectre
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1304[11:08:11] <jim> I heard spectre would require a bios update or microcode update, and possibly recompiling all of userland (but I've heard a lot of stories before)
1305[11:08:14] <temy> The patch will affect your computer's performance though, so you can disable the near separation feature in boot time
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1308[11:08:51] <jim> so it won't be quite as fast?
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1310[11:09:20] <temy> It depends, on mine I didn't saw any difference
1311[11:09:32] <jim> ok
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1313[11:09:42] <temy> Security is still working in a patch, so probably BIOS updates aren't needed nor recompiling all userland
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1315[11:10:16] <babilen> Spectre are two distinct vulnerabilities and only one is being addressed with the forthcoming updates
1316[11:10:28] <jim> so security is pretty confident they can get the patch to work?
1317[11:10:39] <temy> And the other two needs Intel, AMD, ARM, etc?
1318[11:11:22] <temy> (I am going to be away, and I am using WeeChat in terminal, so I can't see past messages)
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1321[11:12:05] <jim> log to postgresql :)
1322[11:12:24] <babilen> You need 1. microcode updates introducing the new MSRs 2. IBRS and IBPB support in the kernel using these MSRs 3. Userspace support
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1324[11:13:34] <jelly> alternatively, run 32bit with grsec ;-)
1325[11:13:46] <jim> temy, thanks
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1333[11:20:28] <Haohmaru> darxmurf so with the live debian, when i do "fdisk -l" it says that partition 3 doesn't start on a physical sector boundary.. partition 3 is exactly the NTFS partition which is used for the samba
1334[11:20:59] <Haohmaru> the hard disk is dying?
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1338[11:22:20] <rant> you know you dont have to use NTFS for samba
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1340[11:22:45] <Haohmaru> should i proceed to try and reinstal grub, or ddrescue and evacuate the precious stuff?
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1344[11:23:04] <Haohmaru> yeah, collegues insisted for NTFS :~(
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1346[11:23:46] <rant> then you collegues are dumb :P cause ntfs is harder to manage under linux and offers no benefits for samba
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1348[11:23:55] <Joker_ian> hey
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1353[11:24:37] <Joker_ian> lf some help
1354[11:25:16] <Haohmaru> so.. does it look like the harddisk is dying to you too?
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1358[11:25:38] <darxmurf> no
1359[11:25:45] <rant> Haohmaru: based on the position of a partition? no..that has nothing to do with the health of the drive just the geometry
1360[11:25:51] <darxmurf> it's just that the partition map is not well well done
1361[11:26:02] <Haohmaru> Joker_ian you need to register a nickname and identify to NickServ with it so you can join that channel
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1363[11:26:45] <darxmurf> Why the hell did they insist with NTFS Oo
1364[11:26:53] <Joker_ian> Haohmaru forgot how it's done
1365[11:27:01] <Joker_ian> already did it once
1366[11:27:12] <Haohmaru> Joker_ian /msg NickServ help register
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1368[11:27:29] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: how many GB of files you have on your NTFS partition ?
1369[11:27:33] <rant> Haohmaru: are you actually having an issue with something ? because I have been on the phone and not paying much attention but all I see is you over-reacting to messages most of us would just ignore.. you sound like a windows user who just found linux and don't realize linux is verbose and tells you a lot of things in plain language thats easy to understand which inexperienced users mistake for problems when
1370[11:27:39] <rant> its just linux being informative of what's going on
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1374[11:28:26] <Joker_ian> <Haohmaru> tnks!
1375[11:28:30] <rant> unlike windows which leaves you guessing what its doing and when something goes wrong it gives you a cryptic message, linux doesnt work like that :P
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1378[11:29:13] <Haohmaru> darxmurf ~100GB used space, but there a quite a bunch of ISO images which aren't critical
1379[11:29:23] <Haohmaru> there is important data tho
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1382[11:31:01] <darxmurf> do you have a youger machine to replace this stuff ? if yes, install a clean system on it, then copy the files from your old system
1383[11:31:06] <Haohmaru> the hard disk partitionning has been done during the installation of the debian, so "partition 3 doesn't start on a physical sector boundary" printed in doesn't sound like some minor detail to me
1384[11:31:28] <temy> Did someone answered my question about Spectre
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1386[11:31:35] <darxmurf> don't think so
1387[11:32:27] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: if you reinstall a clean system, use something else for your DATA partition, like XFS or EXT4 but not NTFS !
1388[11:32:40] <rant> Haohmaru: your issue is neither apparent nor is it being clarified by what you've been saying the last few hours.. scrolling back it seems the root issue here is that you experienced corruption of files copied from a samba server.. presumably to a windows host yes?
1389[11:32:43] <Haohmaru> i will
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1391[11:33:24] <rant> corruption during a file transfer doesn't indicate disk troubles on the source if the source's checksum is correct and the dest is incorrect
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1393[11:33:47] <rant> which seems to be the problem you are seeing
1394[11:33:49] <darxmurf> the problem is the sha256sum changing on the source
1395[11:33:50] <Haohmaru> rant according to my simple test, this one specific ISO (about 4GB) generates two different sha256sums from two attempts
1396[11:33:58] <darxmurf> voilà
1397[11:33:58] <Haohmaru> that's locally, not via the network
1398[11:34:18] <rant> oh.. well thats different
1399[11:34:47] <darxmurf> rant and his samba server is using a NTFS formated partition to store the files...
1400[11:34:49] <Haohmaru> "locally" meaning i connected to it via putty, and ran "sha256sum /mnt/storage/.../blahblah.iso"
1401[11:34:55] <rant> and yes I'd highly recommend not using NTFS on linux the drivers are reverse engineered and the tools to check/repair the FS are not very well featured or developed either
1402[11:35:12] <darxmurf> NTFS is rock solid on windows but that's it :-)
1403[11:35:17] <rant> there is absolutely no benefit, and many reasons NOT to use NTFS for samba on linux
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1405[11:35:42] <darxmurf> lunch time, brb
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1407[11:35:57] <Haohmaru> yeah i didn't like it either but some people have superstitions
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1409[11:36:08] <rant> the samba is the glue that binds windows to the server.. it doesnt care how the server is storing those files.. the server however does care.. and it cannot properly manage an NTFS filesystem
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1413[11:37:11] <rant> where if you use ext4 for example there are properly developed, and maintained drivers and tools for resize, recovery, checking, etc.. rather than reverse-engineered hacks that even the devs would tell you to use with caution
1414[11:38:07] <Haohmaru> i know..
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1417[11:39:15] <rant> Haohmaru: I can't speak for your knowledge or experience, but I can tell you from mine that when it comes to tech consulting one important rule is that contrary to the popular concept here in the US that the customer is always right, in tech the customer is always an idiot.. which is why they called you.. so you have to make them trust your judgement on matters :P
1418[11:40:07] <Haohmaru> no one called me, this is a debian machine we use at work as a file and printer server mainly
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1421[11:41:04] <Haohmaru> i didn't know what it will be used for, i was told "put some linux on this and make a big NTFS partition at the end of the harddisk"
1422[11:41:09] <rant> it doesnt change the fact that you can't have windows users using windows ideology on a linux machine and questioning someone who knows better :P
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1426[11:42:15] <Haohmaru> i mean, they use dropbox
1427[11:42:18] <Haohmaru> x_x
1428[11:43:07] <rant> I setup dropbox recently for my father and was surprised how much resources the client used on linux
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1430[11:44:00] <Haohmaru> did you read the eula thing?
1431[11:44:03] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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1435[11:44:41] <Haohmaru> when i read it a bunch of years ago, i understood it as more or less "all your files are belong to us"
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1437[11:45:18] <Haohmaru> the client also opens like 20 sockets to different places
1438[11:45:22] <rant> yeah well facebook and most other services have that stance.. its to eliminate their liability and free them up to monetize use in any way they see fit
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1444[11:47:46] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
1445[11:48:13] <Haohmaru> i think i have this situation.. Sector size is 512 / 4096, according to fdisk
1446[11:48:57] <Haohmaru> does this mean that the hdd might actually be okay? but would a debian installer partition the hard disk in a way that would result in this warning?
1447[11:49:11] <rant> which I can see thier position cause I interviened for my hometown whose website was hosted by some Boroughs Association and kept crashing and being restored to months old versions of the site and crap.. I got them a cheap on-site server they could manage themselves and elimiate this problem without paying monthly for poor service then I started getting accused of doing crap like reading their emails and
1448[11:49:17] <rant> crap which was some other half-baked windows tard they had working for them probably saw the MTA on the linux machine and got the wrong impression. Their emails were hosted by godaddy which I had no access to, and they're public employees so aside from the fact there is no right to privacy in the workplace as public officials their emails are by right able to be read by anyone anyhow :P
1449[11:49:27] <rant> bottom line is you can't really blame companies for wanting to avoid those headaches
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1455[11:50:34] <rant> Haohmaru: most of those kinds of warnings about geometry are just because retarded systems like windows don't understand such geometries.. linux doesn't care
1456[11:50:35] <Haohmaru> fdisk also says "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
1457[11:51:02] <Haohmaru> but there hasn't been a windows involved in this machine
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1459[11:51:29] <cybrNaut> a silent auto-update just broke PDF viewing on Stretch (via the poppler-utils package)
1460[11:51:32] <oish> hey debianists, i've got a laptop with a monitor that has just become glitchy - flashing on and off quickly. Fixed by rebooting. I suspected hardware, like a loose connection. Has anyone had that happen for reasons other than hardware (refresh rates or something) or any suggestions for where to look for problems?
1461[11:51:32] <Haohmaru> it was formatted/partitioned using a debian installer, with the purpose to only run linux
1462[11:51:45] <cybrNaut> aren't auto-updates suppose to be isolated to security critical patches?
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1464[11:51:59] <rant> the linux kernel not only ignores BIOS settings for example but has drivers to use any space available in the CMOS (NVRAM) as storage.. it may warn you about things that will affect other systems but for the most part linux isn't picky about stuff
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1466[11:52:55] <rant> oish: if rebooting alone resolved it, its more likely a driver bug
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1469[11:53:32] <rant> oish: or could even be something related to DPMS or such power management type features if its full flickering of the entire display off
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1472[11:53:53] <Haohmaru> partition 3 starts at 62695424 which is not divisable by 4096
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1474[11:54:06] <cybrNaut> replaced-url
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1477[11:55:23] <oish> rant: ah OK, will look at DPMS.
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1479[11:55:41] <oish> hadn't thought of that.
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1483[11:56:38] <rant> oish: well those are my first two thoughts, driver failures or power management.. aside from the obvious connection/power issues you already seemed to explore.. the driver/power management though fits better with the reboot resolving it
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1490[11:59:00] <rant> cybrNaut: if you're seriously curious about this a channel like #debian-mentors on OFTC might be a place where people are more familiar with policy
1491[11:59:26] <rant> or the debian-devel mailing list
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1498[12:01:36] <Haohmaru> the hard disk is some seagate, and lshw also says that the sector size is 512/4096
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1501[12:02:04] <cybrNaut> rant: thanks
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1503[12:02:34] <rant> Haohmaru: I'd either a) ignore this nonsense (recommended) or b) align the damn partitions to a boundary :P
1504[12:03:17] <Haohmaru> but i don't know if this sector boundary issue appeared now or has been like this before
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1506[12:04:13] <Haohmaru> all i know is that something happened and one of the partitions is not found by uuid during boot, thus the linux doesn't start
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1510[12:05:09] <rant> Haohmaru: look, most things of this nature are archaic standards that retarded codemonkeys like those who develop crappy OS like windows learned when getting their BS in CS (BullShit in CommonSense) and are no longer applicable because smarter people realized it resulted in a lot of wasted resources as things scaled, and for no good reason.
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1514[12:05:34] <rant> Haohmaru: anytime you create a new FS the parition's UUID changes.. other things can change the UUID as well
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1516[12:06:02] <rant> Haohmaru: chances are the reason the issue is happening is because there is a different UUID now, not because of alignment
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1518[12:06:12] <Haohmaru> the question is.. what should i do now
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1521[12:06:43] <Haohmaru> reinstall the linux on this same hardware?
1522[12:06:54] <rant> Haohmaru: check the fstab and compare it to the output of blkid and realize that what I said is right.. the UUID its looking for doesn't exist anymore.. so change the UUID in the configs to the right one
1523[12:06:55] <Haohmaru> attempt to reinstal parts of it (grub?)?
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1525[12:08:18] <rant> as for why the UUID changed, only you can answer that.. but its the most common reason why a device isnt found by UUID because the UUID isn't correct
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1527[12:09:06] <rant> to make matters worse, if we're talking a windows FS again they typically use the wrong UUID anyhow..
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1539[12:17:15] <cybrNaut> how can I view the release notes of an update? I see nothing in the aptitude, apt-cache and dpkg man pages, and web articles seem limited to describing the release notes for the whole debian system
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1544[12:19:23] <rant> cybrNaut: there should probably be a changelog in /usr/share/doc/ for the package
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1547[12:19:32] <nailyk> hi. Are issue with Meltdown patch reported to debian? (like: replaced-url
1548[12:20:03] <cybrNaut> rant: indeed.. thanks
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1550[12:20:07] <rant> cybrNaut: /usr/share/doc/poppler-utils/changelog.Debian.gz oe /usr/share/doc/poppler-data/changelog.Debian.gz maybe
1551[12:20:51] <rant> cybrNaut: you could also install apt-listbugs and/or apt-listchanges that will fetch the bug reports and changelogs BEFORE installing packages in the future
1552[12:21:22] <temy> nailyk: debian doesn't use the 4.4 kernel, so no, we are not affected
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1555[12:21:49] <FinalX> nailyk: I don't know what regression that user has, but we have dozens of Ubuntu 16.04 servers in our network and they all work fine with the 108 kernel.
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1562[12:23:23] <nailyk> yes it is 3.16.0-4-amd64 indeed
1563[12:23:28] <nailyk> but have the issue anyway
1564[12:23:54] <rant> nailyk: thats jessie (oldstable)
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1566[12:24:07] <nailyk> yes.
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1568[12:24:32] <rant> and let me get this straight.. you're somehow surprised that a patch for a 4.x software doesnt work on a 3.x?
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1570[12:25:38] <nailyk> no, I would know if the issue of 3.16.0-5 not booting have already been reported
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1572[12:26:04] <nailyk> (nothing into pstore or last_kmsg)
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1577[12:28:40] <rant> idk what the exact status is of jessie being addressed with this issue, but if I were in this position and concerned about it, I'd be making effort to install the latest kernel first and foremost.. and 4.9 is in jessie-backports and likely to be fixed before older stuff
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1579[12:28:59] <kopper> replaced-url
1580[12:29:11] <rant> a bug of this wide-ranging severity is more likely to be fixed in the newest stuff
1581[12:29:40] <kopper> Fixed in 3.16.51-3+deb8u1
1582[12:29:42] <rant> (first)
1583[12:29:48] <colo-work> if you're going to take that advice seriously, you're pretty much bound to use 4.14 though
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1586[12:30:05] <colo-work> (and not use a Debian-kernel in the first place)
1587[12:30:41] <rant> yeah I should shut up cause I'm not helping :P
1588[12:30:47] <temy> There's also the experimental kernel
1589[12:30:53] <temy> It is the same as 4.14
1590[12:31:28] <nailyk> ok am a bit confused.
1591[12:32:05] <nailyk> I wanna warn while upgrading my jessie with aptitude safe-upgrade && reboot, the machine have done a kernel panic
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1593[12:32:37] <nailyk> You anwser is to install a kernel from another version?
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1596[12:33:30] <nailyk> FYI: replaced-url
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1600[12:34:26] <temy> If you're concerned both in Meltdown and kernel panics, then use jessie-backports. Atleast there's some stability in it
1601[12:34:39] <temy> Don't use experimental unless you're insane
1602[12:35:07] <petn-randall> nailyk: If you have a regression with the newest kernel in jessie, use the reportbug tool to check if there's already a bug report, and if not, report it yourself.
1603[12:35:38] <nailyk> ok thanks
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1607[12:39:07] <cybrNaut> rant: ...you could also install apt-listbugs and/or apt-listchanges <= good idea.. i forgot i had that. Ideally the silent updater would run apt-listchanges and put it in an email to me. Maybe I can script that
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1610[12:40:18] <rant> cybrNaut: ah yeah.. silent updater.. I was under a rock for several years and this silent updater thing is one of those things I haven't really aquainted with yet :P
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1613[12:40:55] * rant isn't a fan of auto-updates and prefers the old behavior of the notification area icon that tells me they're available and lets me handle it
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1620[12:47:45] <cybrNaut> apt-listchanges requires a *.deb file. I looked in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for poppler-utils*.deb, and nothing. Does the silent updater delete the deb files it downloads?
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1623[12:48:21] <rant> probably as I heard apt does that and the auto-updater probably uses similar approach
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1632[12:51:11] <nailyk> FI same with 4.9.0.0-bpo5 from backports
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1639[12:56:11] <DoctorD90> hi! I installed latest debian mate on a netbook. The only issue is that i cant setup tap-to-click on synaptic because I cant find the file configuration :/
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1646[12:59:03] <hannes77> DoctorD90: replaced-url
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1649[12:59:35] <DoctorD90> i think i did it yet...but i go to read :P thx
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1651[13:00:10] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: More specifically: replaced-url
1652[13:00:46] <hannes77> is there a possibility to get the release date of a package/ or security update?
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1654[13:01:02] <DoctorD90> uhm....from my memory (maybe broken) i remember that it wasnt there debian 9 :P ....maybe with this i solved...gonna try...
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1658[13:03:00] <petn-randall> hannes77: When it's ready.
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1669[13:05:57] <DoctorD90> petn-randall yep...it seems that atm exists xorg.conf.d under "old" /usr/share/X11 and not under "newer" /etc/X11 ....gonna try to follow these steps :)
1670[13:06:05] <hannes77> mmh, ok :(
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1672[13:06:51] <pragomer> the new gmic plugin needs this file, that isnt installable in stretch.
1673[13:06:52] <pragomer> ./gmic_gimp_qt: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1674[13:06:56] <pragomer> any idea?
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1682[13:09:41] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: There is no "old" or "new". Any config files that the admin can edit have *always* been in /etc/. Any changes in /usr/share/X11 would be overwritten upon update/installation.
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1684[13:10:00] <temy> how can i make logrotate compress logs in lzip instead of gzip? I like lzip because its decompression process can be parallelized, resulting in faster decompression speeds
1685[13:10:15] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Note that you have to create the file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, by default there are no config files there.
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1688[13:11:42] <DoctorD90> petn-randall i said "new" and "old" reading this: The synaptic Xorg driver in being superseded by the newer libinput driver .... You can make the synaptics driver take precedence over libinput by copying /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d - I misundertand that /usr/share was the palce for older synaptic packag configs file :P thx you.
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1692[13:12:24] <DoctorD90> I have find out the exact file written on wiki in /usr/share/.... i just copy it :) so it will not be overwritten :D
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1697[13:17:09] <DoctorD90> just copied 40-liginput from /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and added Option tap line :) all work great ^^ thx u petn-randall
1698[13:17:17] <petn-randall> temy: I don't think logrotate has this feature, at least not in stable.
1699[13:17:37] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Good to hear, you're welcome!
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1706[13:22:13] <temy> petn-randall: I am going to make a bug report then
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1712[13:24:38] <petn-randall> temy: Features won't get backported to stable, but you can check in testing/unstable if that feature exists, and if not, request it.
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1715[13:26:13] <jelly> doesn't logrotate.conf have a compresscmd ?
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1718[13:26:48] <jelly> temy: man logrotate.conf, read about compresscmd, compressext, compressoptions
1719[13:27:01] <petn-randall> Indeed, good point.
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1722[13:30:17] <DK21> can a kernelpanic cause a very high peak load?
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1724[13:30:49] <jelly> DK21: a kernel panic is when the kernel stops the whole system, so no
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1726[13:31:03] <jelly> you don't have any load after that, the machine does not work :-)
1727[13:31:06] <DK21> just right before the the kernelpanic?
1728[13:31:15] <DK21> yes that makes sense
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1730[13:31:19] <petn-randall> DK21: Better ask your real question.
1731[13:31:39] <DK21> my server stopped working and i ddint even get a screen via monitor on it
1732[13:31:45] <DK21> however it was still pingable but no access to it
1733[13:32:10] <DK21> i figured somehow a kernelpanic, when looking at grafana graph i see a high load peak (60) and high read iops
1734[13:32:18] <DK21> after reboot, everything works fine
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1737[13:32:29] <DK21> it happens frequently tho
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1742[13:33:42] <petn-randall> DK21: Well, a load of 60 is enough to make a machine unresponsible, you don't need a kernel panic for that.
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1746[13:33:58] <DK21> well i guess it most be from something else
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1748[13:34:03] <Ticho> load of 60 is perfectly ok if you have a machine with 60 cores
1749[13:34:11] <DK21> nah its way too much for that machine
1750[13:34:12] <Ticho> the load figures are very context-dependent
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1752[13:34:25] <DK21> usual load is maybe 1 at max
1753[13:34:37] <petn-randall> Ticho: load is not only CPU utilization, it also takes into account other types of I/O (disk, network, etc.).
1754[13:34:38] <Ticho> but by your description, it was most likely memory pressure which spilled over to swap
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1756[13:34:58] <Ticho> petn-randall: I know, hence my "context-dependent" remark :)
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1758[13:35:15] <petn-randall> That's also my guess, I'd assume the machine swapped to death.
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1764[13:36:33] <DK21> i see the memory graph dropping but that may be because of the reboot
1765[13:36:40] <DK21> but it seems like an idea
1766[13:37:00] <Haohmaru> so, the UUID for my actual linux partition has changed from something that looks like hexadecimal into something that looks like a timestamp (date and time)
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1778[13:41:13] <AmR|EiSa> I got E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. How I fix that ?
1779[13:41:36] <SirLagz> AmR|EiSa: manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
1780[13:41:37] <AmR|EiSa> I try with coomand But i got < only !!!!
1781[13:41:52] <jelly> without the quotes
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1785[13:42:16] <AmR|EiSa> yes I got '<' For input
1786[13:42:26] <jelly> press Ctrl-C if confused
1787[13:42:30] <AmR|EiSa> Sorry but I'm new I nix world
1788[13:42:50] <jelly> then try correcting the command line
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1794[13:43:57] <jelly> no prob, everyone was new once
1795[13:44:04] <rant> AmR|EiSa: we knew that about 2 minutes ago. but the quotes were merely seperating the command from the error message, you're not supporosed to actually type them
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1797[13:44:54] <AmR|EiSa> I do that without quotes And the command line give me ' < ' only
1798[13:44:58] <zed2k> 4/close
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1802[13:45:17] <AmR|EiSa> My Bad sorry for that
1803[13:45:21] <AmR|EiSa> I fix it
1804[13:45:23] <petn-randall> AmR|EiSa: did you press ctrl +c to get a normal command line back?
1805[13:45:29] <AmR|EiSa> yes
1806[13:46:16] <petn-randall> AmR|EiSa: The ">" on a new line means that you started quoting something, and your shell is assuming that you want to add more command/parameters to your command.
1807[13:46:42] <AmR|EiSa> yea
1808[13:46:43] <petn-randall> This usually happens if you have a single ' or " in your command.
1809[13:47:40] <rant> generally speaking.. it will also do it if you put 'do' without 'done' or such but I dont think I've ever seen it show '<'
1810[13:47:43] <AmR|EiSa> I try install debian at my mobile to start know linux more
1811[13:47:57] <SirLagz> AmR|EiSa: your mobile?
1812[13:48:01] <AmR|EiSa> yes
1813[13:48:45] <SirLagz> AmR|EiSa: like a mobile phone?
1814[13:49:05] <petn-randall> AmR|EiSa: Try it on a desktop first, Debian doesn't officially run on mobiles, and most apps are hacks to get a bit of Debian userspace onto an Android phone.
1815[13:49:07] <AmR|EiSa> yes
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1818[13:49:29] <petn-randall> *most apps offering Debian on Android
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1820[13:49:45] <AmR|EiSa> replaced-url
1821[13:49:52] <DK21> i can see that in server log: hpHelper: page allocation failure
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1824[13:50:57] <AmR|EiSa> I try it and Intall architecture 'armhf
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1830[13:53:11] <AmR|EiSa> Thanks for help
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1835[13:55:38] <AmR|EiSa> The main Idea to make gcc work in my mobile and Qt if I can
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1840[13:57:15] <petn-randall> AmR|EiSa: As I said, I highly doubt it works, you won't get X11 to run on your Android.
1841[13:57:25] <rant> I tried such a thing many years ago it was far from ideal.. the devices aren't really capable of reliably running a guest
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1843[13:57:37] <rant> and you get X by using a vnc client on android
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1845[13:57:42] <petn-randall> AmR|EiSa: And you're not running the Debian kernel, the Debian init, etc ...
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1848[13:57:51] <rant> I've had debian running with a DE on android before.. thats how it works over VNC
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1851[13:58:07] <petn-randall> Very far from ideal ...
1852[13:58:26] <rant> yeah.. and thats still an understatement
1853[13:58:30] <rant> heh
1854[13:58:39] <AmR|EiSa> petn-randall: I have xfce, Not x11 only
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1856[13:59:44] <rant> AmR|EiSa: you'd be best served to install linux on a machine designed to run it rather than on top of android on a device not made for hosting a guest os. We can't support that here
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1858[13:59:54] <Guest22716> hi. Im trying to mount a webdav from ownCloud via davfs. I've changed the '/etc/davfs2/secrets' file, and did put in the webdav url with credentials in it. I've also added the mount rule in /etc/fstab... but when I'd try to mount the new mount-point; I'd still get a request for authentication. Does someone know how this is possible?
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1862[14:00:54] <AmR|EiSa> rant: My main idea is make Linux portable at my hand
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1864[14:01:14] <rant> AmR|EiSa: yeah well it works better to install it elsewhere and access remotely
1865[14:01:15] <AmR|EiSa> without laptop
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1867[14:02:05] <rant> AmR|EiSa: its doable.. I've done it and this was many years ago.. but its more a toy.. a proof of concept like how I used synergy on my ipod touch.. it works but since the itouch and ios arent designed for a mouse/keyboard its more a cool proof of concept than useful
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1869[14:02:58] <AmR|EiSa> yes, I agrea
1870[14:03:03] <rant> AmR|EiSa: and for us here the bottom line is its not an offically supported method and our ability to support it is extremely limited.. we already told you what would've solved this issue on a real stable debian system ;)
1871[14:03:54] <rant> AmR|EiSa: if you really want linux in the palm of your hand, realize that 1) android is linux.. so you already have that, and use android native solutions for what you want and if need more use a remote host and connect to it from mobile
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1873[14:04:12] <AmR|EiSa> It's img for debian system run with qemu
1874[14:04:37] <AmR|EiSa> K
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1894[14:12:39] <kallenp> Hallo, please, how to install EBook::MOBI::Image on Debian ? Thank for help.
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1899[14:16:08] <gpunk> perl module ?
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1909[14:19:04] <kallenp> yes
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1930[14:24:49] <gpunk> what have you installed so far ? and how
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1933[14:25:02] <gpunk> what are you trying to do exactly ?
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1938[14:27:26] <gpunk> blindly, i think this package might help libebook-tools-perl
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2027[15:05:36] <slackware> hey guys
2028[15:05:54] <slackware> HOW I COMPILE MANUAL KERNEL in debian, and CREATE A PACKAGE .DEB?
2029[15:06:03] <slackware> for my kernel custom
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2031[15:06:24] <gpunk> mkpkg
2032[15:06:36] <no_9> english as a distant language
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2034[15:07:06] <gpunk> make-kpkg --initrd , sorry
2035[15:07:06] <jelly> slackware: use "make deb-pkg" inside kernel source tree, and TRY NOT TO YELL
2036[15:07:07] <slackware> gpunk, no no mpkg is trash
2037[15:07:17] <soop> slackware: ./configure
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2040[15:07:38] <slackware> soop, no have haha
2041[15:07:39] <jelly> soop: have you ever built a kernel from source
2042[15:07:49] <soop> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
2043[15:07:50] <soop> ;)
2044[15:08:05] <soop> my bad it's not plural
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2046[15:08:21] <petn-randall> soop: Sounds like you're giving out advice you haven't even tested yourself.
2047[15:08:30] <jelly> (don't do that)
2048[15:08:30] <soop> no but the slackware moniker has me curious
2049[15:08:46] <no_9> link pls for assistance to mitigate spectre/meltdown?
2050[15:09:10] <jelly> soop: I strongly suggest not providing advice about things you don't have direct, hands-on experience with.
2051[15:09:14] <no_9> whats that kernel parametr you pass at boot? nopti ?
2052[15:09:16] <gpunk> make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_modules
2053[15:09:17] <SirLagz> no_9: patch kernel will mitigate one of those.
2054[15:09:19] <petn-randall> no_9: Step 1) Keep your system up-to-date. 2) There's no further step.
2055[15:09:21] <SirLagz> patched*
2056[15:09:24] <gpunk> will give you the two .deb
2057[15:09:45] <jelly> gpunk: make-kpkg makes mistakes and is not recommended any more
2058[15:09:57] <gpunk> never with me duh
2059[15:10:10] <gpunk> i still use it , no issues at all
2060[15:10:19] <jelly> ,v kernel-package
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2062[15:10:20] <judd> Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; buster: 13.018+nmu1; sid: 13.018+nmu1
2063[15:10:24] <slackware> guys
2064[15:10:30] <slackware> make kpkg no pls!
2065[15:10:33] <jelly> gpunk: see how it is not in current release at all?
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2067[15:10:50] <slackware> recommend deb-pkg?
2068[15:10:51] <gpunk> too bad
2069[15:10:54] <petn-randall> make deb-pkg is the official way that's been sprinkled by the upstream kernel maintainers.
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2071[15:10:58] <no_9> i am running testing kernel : 4.13.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.13.13-1
2072[15:11:16] <no_9> is there no kernel parameter i can use at boot?
2073[15:11:28] <gpunk> plenty of them
2074[15:11:28] <jelly> gpunk: in particular it doesn't create complete header packages
2075[15:11:50] <no_9> in the context of my previously asked question?
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2079[15:11:57] <Sepultura> Hallo
2080[15:11:58] <RoyK> no_9: power off your computer, put it in a box filled with wet concrete, watch it solidify, and sink it to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Your data will be safe there.
2081[15:12:00] <gpunk> then add kernel_headers ...
2082[15:12:05] <petn-randall> no_9: That isn't even a current testing kernel.
2083[15:12:09] <SirLagz> no_9: you don't even have the latest testing kernel
2084[15:12:16] <SirLagz> petn-randall: damn, you beat me lol
2085[15:12:20] <no_9> i am updating right now
2086[15:12:21] <RoyK> ,kernel
2087[15:12:21] <petn-randall> :P
2088[15:12:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2089[15:12:23] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
2090[15:12:25] <jelly> gpunk: that's precisely what creates the broken package.
2091[15:12:34] <Sepultura> To support smaller programmes: How about making a Standard Unified Package Format which all Package Managers understand. :D
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2094[15:12:55] <SirLagz> Sepultura: you mean like flatpak?
2095[15:12:56] <jelly> no_9: testing does not have the kernel patched against meltdown yet.
2096[15:13:00] <gpunk> how so ? i repeat, never had an issue with it , but you are all free
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2098[15:13:29] <no_9> jelly, what? only sid?
2099[15:13:31] <RaZ`> how do i find out where stretch put libtcl after it been installed? it should be in /usr/local/lib/ but there's only 2 versions op Python.
2100[15:13:36] <SirLagz> gpunk: just because you've never had an issue with it doesn't mean it's good to use.
2101[15:13:37] <Sepultura> SirLagz, I think
2102[15:13:58] <SirLagz> Sepultura: well...flatpak will hopefully be across many distros soon
2103[15:14:03] <gpunk> of curse, that is so logical
2104[15:14:18] <Sepultura> SirLagz, you know not every application has a .deb a .rpm , etc. package
2105[15:14:36] <SirLagz> Sepultura: yes...hence why flatpak will probably be a good thing
2106[15:14:44] <petn-randall> no_9: Well, it's called "testing" for a reason. Also meaning that it doesn't get any security support.
2107[15:14:49] <jelly> no_9: it will flow back to testing in time. testing has not security support.
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2109[15:15:16] <jelly> no_9: read these, and ask about testing in the right place: /msg dpkg tum, /msg dpkg debian-next
2110[15:15:27] <petn-randall> no_9: At some point in the future the fixed kernel from sid will migrate to testing. No ETA though.
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2113[15:17:31] <no_9> is it too damn hard to just post something like the testing irc is #debian-testing ?
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2116[15:18:59] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2117[15:19:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2118[15:19:05] <petn-randall> no_9: You mean this? ^^^
2119[15:19:16] <no_9> and btw--yes its called testing--as in testing to fix that GHADT dayum spectre/meltdown!
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2122[15:19:34] <petn-randall> !next
2123[15:19:35] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2124[15:19:38] <SirLagz> lol
2125[15:20:22] <RaZ`> apt-get say: libtcl8.6 is already the newest version (8.6.6+dfsg-1).
2126[15:20:29] <RaZ`> ok, now where is it ?
2127[15:20:51] <RaZ`> it's not in /usr/local/libtcl
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2129[15:22:20] <SirLagz> RaZ`: apt-file would tell you
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2133[15:24:13] <RaZ`> sudo: apt-file: command not found
2134[15:24:19] <towo^work> install it
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2137[15:25:06] <RaZ`> do i really need to install a shitload of crap to find out where apt-get put a folder? can't bedian find stuff out of the box?
2138[15:25:16] <towo^work> RaZ`, and btw, no official deb package would install anything to /usr/local
2139[15:25:40] <jelly> RaZ`: if it's not installed yet, yes.
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2141[15:26:05] <jelly> you can also ask a bot:
2142[15:26:16] <jelly> judd: file libtcl8.6.so.0 --arch amd64
2143[15:26:20] <judd> Search for libtcl8.6.so.0 in stretch/amd64: libtcl8.6: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so.0
2144[15:26:41] <jelly> /msg judd file ... works as well
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2146[15:27:35] <RaZ`> i am trying to get eggdrop running so i can ask my own bot some stuff, but ./onfigure stops saying i dont have tcl on stretch.
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2148[15:27:57] <SirLagz> RaZ`: do you have the dev files?
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2150[15:28:11] <RaZ`> i did apt-get install tcl-dev
2151[15:28:20] <RaZ`> comes with 8.6
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2154[15:28:47] <RaZ`> apt-get says tcl-dev and libtcl are installed
2155[15:28:51] <RaZ`> eggdrop cant find it
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2159[15:29:23] <poinpoin> hi
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2162[15:29:48] <RaZ`> Too bad i dont have a copy of wheezy, that worked perfect
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2166[15:30:43] <gpunk> then do something like this "./configure --with-tcl=/usr"
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2168[15:30:52] <epigramx> Is Strech with backports the best linux desktop in the entire world?
2169[15:31:01] <petn-randall> !best
2170[15:31:01] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
2171[15:31:01] <RaZ`> i know.. just i need to find out where the hell it is
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2173[15:31:31] <epigramx> !don'ttakeeverythingtooseriously
2174[15:31:32] <gpunk> the prefix is /usr
2175[15:31:39] <gpunk> so try with tthat first
2176[15:31:42] <RaZ`> TCL is found, it's libtcl that's somewhere, but where, so i can config with parameters
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2178[15:32:33] <jelly> ,v eggdrop
2179[15:32:35] <judd> Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6.20-1; jessie: 1.6.21-4; buster: 1.6.21-4+b1; sid: 1.6.21-4+b1; stretch: 1.6.21-4+b1
2180[15:32:47] <jelly> RaZ`: stupid question, is there something wrong with eggdrop from distro that you need to build it yourself?
2181[15:33:13] <jelly> epigramx: best for what?
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2184[15:34:07] <Haohmaru> i changed the partition UUID in fstab to the new one (according to blkid), but when grub goes to run the linux - it still says that /dev/disk/by-uuid/.... doesn't exit, refering to the old uuid
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2188[15:35:05] <RaZ`> jelly: I been doin the same thing for bout 20 years on debian distro's, only apt-get install tcl-dev and compile it
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2190[15:35:33] <RaZ`> And i need to run 1.3.28
2191[15:35:33] <Haohmaru> * exist
2192[15:35:56] <SirLagz> RaZ`: why do you need to run 1.3.28?
2193[15:36:16] <gpunk> Haohmaru "update-grub" , maybe
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2195[15:36:31] <Haohmaru> i cannot boot it
2196[15:36:40] <gpunk> hmm
2197[15:37:02] <Haohmaru> i can access the hdd via using a debian live usb stick
2198[15:37:04] <RaZ`> SirLagz: all bots are.
2199[15:37:04] <towo^work> then the question is, how you have changed the fstab?
2200[15:37:05] <gpunk> then put "/dev/sd..." temporarely just to boot
2201[15:37:15] <jelly> RaZ`: maybe 1.3.28 can't be built against 8.6 any more, who knows?
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2204[15:37:26] <SirLagz> RaZ`: all bats are....running 1.3.28?
2205[15:37:29] <SirLagz> bots*
2206[15:37:36] <jelly> it's bat country
2207[15:37:50] <Haohmaru> towo^work by running a debian-lxde-live usb stick
2208[15:37:57] <RaZ`> if eggdrop cant work with 8.6 it should be able to find tcllib..
2209[15:37:59] <SirLagz> RaZ`: I thought eggdrop was the bot?
2210[15:38:04] <RaZ`> but i can find it
2211[15:38:16] <RaZ`> and if i cant find it
2212[15:38:23] <RaZ`> i cant tell eggdrop where to find it ;)
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2214[15:38:57] <Haohmaru> i'm guessing the old UUID is also in some grub-related configuration file somewhere?
2215[15:39:00] <SirLagz> dpkg -S if the package is installed.
2216[15:39:00] <dpkg> Package: if the package is installed.: Status: install ok installed
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2220[15:39:12] <gpunk> chroot in your hdd
2221[15:39:14] <SirLagz> lol
2222[15:39:16] <towo^work> Haohmaru, sure it is
2223[15:39:30] <gpunk> and run update-grub ...
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2225[15:39:46] <towo^work> Haohmaru, that's why you should hit "e" at grub screen and change temporary to /dev/sdXY
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2228[15:40:44] <rafalcpp> [ 0.000000] Kernel/User page tables isolation: disabled
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2230[15:40:52] <rafalcpp> why it's not enabled?
2231[15:40:54] <rafalcpp> it's amd
2232[15:41:24] <SirLagz> rafalcpp: replaced-url
2233[15:41:27] <rafalcpp> that line means that kernel is checking CPU and would enable it when needed? it is needed only on intel?
2234[15:41:42] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: correct
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2236[15:42:02] <FinalX> rafalcpp: AMD is not affected by Meltdown. It is affected by Spectre, but there's no fix out for that yet.
2237[15:42:57] <Haohmaru> towo^work then something like a text editor appears with a lot of stuff in it
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2239[15:44:03] <Haohmaru> is there some keywords i can search for on how to do this, if it's a common procedure.. so that i don't mess things up?
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2241[15:44:34] <Haohmaru> and also, why the hell did this happened in the first place
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2247[15:47:53] <Haohmaru> this: replaced-url
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2262[15:51:59] <rafalcpp> how to increase numbe of consoles spawned, so I can log into also VT8,9,10,11 ?
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2268[15:54:06] <JustASlacker> that used to be in innitab
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2270[15:54:17] <gpunk> inittab is gone :(
2271[15:54:27] <JustASlacker> so I guess its in systemd somewhere
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2274[15:54:29] <rafalcpp> damn systemd cancer
2275[15:54:35] <gpunk> yeah
2276[15:54:40] * rafalcpp damns forever Debian Developers for that choice
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2278[15:55:15] <gpunk> maybe man logind.conf
2279[15:55:47] <jelly> rafalcpp: make a copy of /lib/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty-static.service to equivalent place in /etc and edit it
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2284[15:56:53] <jelly> rafalcpp: systemd is just a default, if you don't like it, change back to sysvinit. It still works.
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2290[16:01:29] <jelly> rafalcpp: or /lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service to /etc/systemd/system/getty-static.service probably
2291[16:01:39] <jelly> symlinks everywhere!
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2298[16:04:41] <Rico> hello
2299[16:05:05] <Rico> is there a way to install an older version of a package (which is not in stretch repositories) on debian stretch ?
2300[16:05:23] <Rico> (talking about ocfs2, need 1.6, stretch provides 1.8)
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2333[16:20:09] <slaykovsky> Hello guys! Is there any way except of replaced-url
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2339[16:23:38] <SirLagz> slaykovsky: what are you trying to do?
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2341[16:24:28] <SirLagz> slaykovsky: you could always wget the packages manually
2342[16:25:40] <slaykovsky> SirLagz: I just want to know if it possible to use wget instead of /usr/lib/apt/methods/http somehow
2343[16:26:05] <SirLagz> slaykovsky: that link you pasted is using wget...?
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2345[16:26:48] <slaykovsky> SirLagz: sure, but I wanted to know is there a way to redefine it inside some configs
2346[16:26:57] <SirLagz> slaykovsky: what do you mean?
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2353[16:29:01] <turlando> Hello people
2354[16:29:32] <turlando> On Stretch I'm using make-jpkg against Java 8u152 and I get No matching packaging method was found for server-jre-8u152-linux-x64.tar.gz.
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2357[16:29:49] <turlando> renaming the package to 8u151 will allow me to build the package
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2377[16:34:20] <jelly> turlando: try grabbing java-package from sid and using that one
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2379[16:34:53] <jelly> turlando: oh wait, server-jre? I'm not sure that one was ever supported.... jre yes, jdk yes
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2381[16:35:06] <turlando> jelly it is replaced-url
2382[16:35:30] <turlando> also: the last update is from aug 2017, do you think I should still try with the sid pkg?
2383[16:35:39] <jelly> yes.
2384[16:35:45] <turlando> also: this script is a bit of a mess :\
2385[16:35:47] <jelly> ,v java-package
2386[16:35:48] <judd> Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; buster/contrib: 0.62; sid/contrib: 0.62; stretch/contrib: 0.62
2387[16:36:02] <jelly> or no, exact same version
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2389[16:36:27] <jelly> eh, if you don't care about disk space usage, just go with full jdk
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2391[16:36:46] <jelly> it's overkill but it gets you all the utils
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2395[16:37:09] <turlando> meh, I would like to understand why it's failing actually
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2397[16:37:23] <turlando> I'll dig a bit more into the script
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2401[16:38:12] <jelly> I've never tried repackaging server-jre, not sure if it's more buggy than scripts for jdk
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2417[16:48:31] <Haohmaru> what causes these partition UUIDs to change by themselves?!?!
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2423[16:49:11] <jelly> Haohmaru: partitions don't really have UUIDs. Filesystems written on top of them do.
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2425[16:49:27] <jelly> and those do not change unless something writes those changes.
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2429[16:51:15] <Haohmaru> also, is this a problem: "modprobe: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep" ?
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2433[16:52:22] <gpunk> yes
2434[16:52:35] <gpunk> can you run depmod -ae ?
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2436[16:53:22] <gpunk> it will rebuild your modules.dep
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2439[16:54:27] <jelly> Haohmaru: is this an x86 PC or a more weird machine?
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2443[16:55:08] <Haohmaru> i think it's a "butchered up and glued-together" laptop
2444[16:55:23] <Haohmaru> intel atom processor, 32bit
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2447[16:55:58] <Haohmaru> gpunk i'm right after grub, in an "initramfs" prompt
2448[16:56:19] <gpunk> ah i thaught your machine is running
2449[16:56:24] <Haohmaru> it is
2450[16:56:33] <Haohmaru> technically ;P~
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2452[16:58:20] <gpunk> do you need ehci-orion to boot ?
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2454[16:58:57] <Haohmaru> i don't even..
2455[16:59:00] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
2456[16:59:14] <gpunk> you light need to boot and repack your initramfs
2457[16:59:21] <gpunk> might
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2462[17:00:05] <gpunk> it is missing module(s)
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2464[17:00:26] <gpunk> atom is 64bit btw
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2466[17:01:12] <rant> Haohmaru: that module would only be required for boot if you used a USB drive to boot from and had no fallback module.. like a USB 1.1 module
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2468[17:01:26] <Haohmaru> so, this thing was running, 32bit debian8.1 (i think), and today i did "apt-get update, apt-get upgrade" .. so it started downloading and installing like 400-ish MB of stuff, and somewhere at the end there was some error
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2470[17:01:53] <petn-randall> What error?
2471[17:01:55] <gpunk> ah, you should have fixed that error before rebooting
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2475[17:02:28] <Haohmaru> first there were some warnings about realtek something?
2476[17:02:38] <Haohmaru> then an actual error a bit later
2477[17:03:00] <gpunk> the upgrade of the kernel went wrong
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2483[17:03:43] <Haohmaru> "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ca-certificates_20141019+deb8u3_all.deb"
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2485[17:04:12] <Haohmaru> during the installation, something came up about some certificates which wanted input/confirmation
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2493[17:05:28] <Haohmaru> i think the previous kernel had "-pae" at the end, and the debian was most-likely installed from a debian-lxde live usb flash stick
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2495[17:05:46] <Haohmaru> and i may be wrong about the name of the processor, but it's 32bit
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2499[17:07:15] <Haohmaru> so, what can i do?
2500[17:07:21] <jelly> -pae was dropped from the name but the remaining 32bit -686 kernels still have PAE support
2501[17:07:57] <gpunk> boot stick , chroot , redo the apt update/upgarde/dist upgrade properly
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2503[17:08:11] <jelly> Haohmaru: look at "lsmod" output. If you're not using that ehci-orion module right now chances are you don't need it and don't have to care about it at all
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2505[17:08:34] <jelly> as for the errors,
2506[17:08:37] <jelly> !bat
2507[17:08:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2512[17:09:30] <Haohmaru> jelly lsmod prints a bunch of things, lots of "ehci" and "ohci" things
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2514[17:10:09] <jelly> Haohmaru: but is the possiubly broken module one of those in the output or not?
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2516[17:10:56] <Haohmaru> i really have no idea
2517[17:11:18] <Haohmaru> from what lsmod printed, i don't see "ehci-orion" anywhere
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2525[17:13:29] <Haohmaru> does "chroot" mean literally typing "chroot" or is it some specific procedure?
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2528[17:14:04] <Haohmaru> i have a live debian usb stick i can use to access the harddisk..
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2531[17:14:31] <jelly> Haohmaru: if there's no "ehci-orion" or "ehci_orion" in the output, you don't have to care about it.
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2533[17:14:52] <Haohmaru> there is no, as far as my eyes see
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2537[17:15:51] <n4dir> !chroot
2538[17:15:52] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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2541[17:16:27] <Haohmaru> oh
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2555[17:20:41] <rant> Haohmaru: chroot turns the terminal you run it in effectively into the system whose target you point it at.. it makes that terminal behave as if its / is the target path you specify
2556[17:20:50] <chomwitt> can i use ruby 2.3 in jessie ?
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2559[17:21:41] <rant> chomwitt: you could perhaps try a simple sid backport /msg dpkg ssb
2560[17:21:58] <jelly> Haohmaru: you don't have to use eyes, use grep! lsmod | grep orion
2561[17:22:10] * chomwitt thanks rant
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2563[17:22:45] <rant> chomwitt: np, 2.3.3 is in sid, so you should be able to backport it
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2565[17:23:15] <rant> never backported a language before so not sure about the complexities there maybe someone else could chime in
2566[17:23:28] <Haohmaru> "/target doesn't exist" .. do i need to create a folder?
2567[17:23:39] <rant> I would imagine that creates complications with addon modules
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2570[17:24:15] <rant> Haohmaru: you mount the rootfs you want to acces to a location.. any location.. /mnt /media/foo or whatever then use that as the "target"
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2579[17:25:47] <epigramx> Do stretch-backports packages always have a different name from the stretch packages they upgrade?
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2582[17:26:41] <rant> epigramx: if they had a different name they wouldnt upgrade without a conflicts, they'd install along side or break the other package.. the name typically stay sthe same and the version changes
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2587[17:27:28] <rant> Haohmaru: as I said, this command is merely changing the root.. so when you run a command in the terminal after doing say chroot /mnt, and you type echo for example, its running /mnt/bin/echo rather than /bin/echo it makes it as though you booted that system inside that terminal
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2589[17:27:39] <epigramx> kernels seem to have a bpo stick to them
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2591[17:28:31] <rant> epigramx: yes that is the case with some packages.. are you having some sort of issue?
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2596[17:29:13] <rant> usually the debu8 or bpo2 etc stuff indicates updates to the original
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2599[17:30:16] <SteelGolem> oh good!
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2602[17:31:08] <epigramx> rant: no, just wondering how it works. I current have ALL three distros AND backports in sources with a priority to prefer stable, and it works pretty well surprisingly.
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2604[17:31:24] <epigramx> I probably fixed my issue of not knowing which debian distro to use.
2605[17:31:39] <rant> epigramx: thats very dangerous and not supported.. do you care to discuss your reasons and find other solutions?
2606[17:32:11] <epigramx> I know, it's just for compiling some latest packages with latest upstreams. Messy but sometimes you need new upstreams and you may be bored to compile them.
2607[17:32:13] <FinalX> that sounds like asking for trouble.. :)
2608[17:32:37] <jelly> epigramx: no, they don't have a different name in general. Kernels are special.
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2610[17:33:09] <epigramx> On a stable debian with backports, do backports just get prio and replace the stable version?
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2612[17:33:31] <rant> epigramx: only when you tell it to install them with -t
2613[17:33:33] <greycat> No. You have to explicitly ask for a backport.
2614[17:33:42] <epigramx> so it's -t stretch-backports?
2615[17:33:49] <rant> epigramx: correct
2616[17:33:50] <greycat> right
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2618[17:34:08] <epigramx> alright, I'll keep apt preferences to prefer stable then
2619[17:34:20] <samuel_> hello guys
2620[17:34:25] <epigramx> I could force backports there I guess but it may turn the distro unstable.
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2622[17:34:41] <rant> epigramx: typically I'd build against my stable libs, and if I NEEDED a newer one for a build to work I'd either backport that or use a chroot or such..
2623[17:34:49] <samuel_> would this be the correct place to ask about libvirt on debian or should I ask somewhere else?
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2625[17:35:07] <zerocool> guys when connecting nfs storage to a kvm/libvirt hypervisor, it's basically just like mounting a share right, you are defining the location where all disks will be kept?
2626[17:35:09] <epigramx> rant: yeah exactly, I try now to ONLY use stable, but if I require something absolutely only then to get it.
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2628[17:35:14] <epigramx> (e.g. I needed a new libdrm now)
2629[17:35:21] <rant> epigramx: you definately dont want to try using backports as a normal branch.. seen someone do that before.. its not a whole tree.. its just select packages
2630[17:35:34] <greycat> samuel_: you may ask here, but we're generalists, not specialists; if we don't know, then perhaps a dedicated libvirt channel may be better
2631[17:35:40] <jelly> epigramx: there's no need to explicitely set apt preferences if you only have stretch and stretch-backports repos enabled.
2632[17:35:42] <epigramx> I bet it might be even worse than using sid altogether.
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2634[17:35:44] <epigramx> since it's partial
2635[17:35:54] <rant> epigramx: its saver then to just have a sid sources line and backport libdrm
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2637[17:36:08] <samuel_> greycat: ok. thanks then.
2638[17:36:14] <epigramx> I want to have testing and sid there too though and it seems to work well with a preferences that prefers stable.
2639[17:36:17] <rant> epigramx: you can have only sources lines and pull the already debianized source and build in on your stable system
2640[17:36:27] <rant> epigramx: until it doesnt..
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2642[17:36:39] <epigramx> hrm
2643[17:36:43] <jelly> epigramx: it doesn't work well at all in the long run, you lose security updates from stable, and you lose stability
2644[17:36:44] <epigramx> that needs compiling though
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2648[17:37:07] <epigramx> how does it lose security updates?
2649[17:37:17] <epigramx> aren't they tagged -t stable with a prio?
2650[17:37:35] <rant> epigramx: pulling snapshots with frankendebian makes you stop tracking the stable package getting the updates
2651[17:37:41] <jelly> epigramx: a package version from testing will ALWAYS be greater than a security update from stable
2652[17:37:52] <epigramx> sure, I meant in case the package is not updated yet.
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2654[17:38:01] <samuel_> what is the best way to mount a qcow2 image WHILE the host is running?
2655[17:38:12] <epigramx> I meant in the case nobody touched that package yet from stable.
2656[17:38:15] <samuel_> with read write :)
2657[17:38:34] <jelly> epigramx: so then yes, you don't lose security updates, if you don't ever install anything from testing or sid repos.
2658[17:38:45] <epigramx> let's be honest, who runs a desktop debian and it's not at least partly a frankendebian? :P
2659[17:38:52] <jelly> me.
2660[17:38:53] <greycat> me.
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2662[17:38:57] <epigramx> not me
2663[17:38:58] <rant> me too
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2665[17:39:18] <epigramx> and my axe.
2666[17:39:22] <jelly> and at least three coworkers
2667[17:39:29] <rant> epigramx: the short and skinny of this is, that your undermining a lot of stuff you dont yet fully understand that will ultimately cause you greif and in turn us too because we'll be unable to and possibly waste a lot of time trying to solove your issue
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2669[17:39:42] <epigramx> I know how it works.
2670[17:39:53] <greycat> plus all the Debian workstations installations that haven't been upgraded to stable yet
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2673[17:40:26] <rant> I have plenty of out-pof-tree stuff but I did it in normal ways by backporting it myself or building and keeping it in safe places like /opt, /usr/local/ or /home
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2675[17:40:37] <tw> samuel_: create a snapshot, create a new image based off the snapshot, mount the new image rw. Hope to hell that the fs is consistent at the time of the snapshot in the running VM.
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2678[17:41:01] <samuel_> tw: so not a good idea?
2679[17:41:05] <epigramx> all linux distros have the issue that the upstream devs might have stable versions (maybe even more stable than a distro) but the distro might have unstable package repos unless it's something like debian stable.
2680[17:41:06] <samuel_> I thought there might be some way
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2683[17:41:28] <samuel_> but everywhere I read there seems to be no way
2684[17:41:39] <oktawian> hello
2685[17:41:40] <samuel_> can I specify a folder as a disk in an image?
2686[17:41:44] <Haohmaru> so i "chroot"ed, apt-get update, but apt-get upgrade immediately says about openjdk-jre-something dependancies, and suggest apt-get install -f
2687[17:41:46] <oktawian> greetings from Poland
2688[17:42:00] <oktawian> can you tell me who is a president of DEBIAN.org ?
2689[17:42:04] <jelly> epigramx: it's not that hard to keep stable stable
2690[17:42:05] <annadane> !tell epigramx about don't break debian
2691[17:42:07] <rant> epigramx: unfortunately with that logic Debian very often has better support, documentation, and security fixes..
2692[17:42:11] <oktawian> can someone
2693[17:42:15] <jelly> oktawian: there is no president
2694[17:42:21] <rant> oktawian: who runs the website or the project leader?
2695[17:42:22] <tw> samuel_: you can't write to the same disk filesystem from two different online sources. Linux VFS does not like that at all.
2696[17:42:30] <jelly> !dpl
2697[17:42:30] <dpkg> The DPL is the Debian Project Leader, an elected position that is the representative of the project (but not 'chief' in a technical or decision making sense). The current DPL is Mehdi Dogguy. See replaced-url
2698[17:42:34] <oktawian> jelly debian dont got a leader ?
2699[17:42:42] <tw> samuel_: by online, I mean "running" not internet or network.
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2701[17:42:55] <chomwitt> rant: many ruby2.3-* packages were created by installing and compiling the sid sources. but in what order do i install them ?
2702[17:42:55] <rant> I thought that Chris was the DPL
2703[17:42:58] <annadane> he is
2704[17:43:01] <annadane> factoid is outdated
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2706[17:43:28] <samuel_> tw: I mean I would like to "mount" an IDE disk on the host that points to a local folder, so that in fact it becomes a "shared" folder
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2710[17:44:26] <jelly> !dpl
2711[17:44:26] <dpkg> The DPL is the Debian Project Leader, an elected position that is the representative of the project (but not 'chief' in a technical or decision making sense). The current DPL is Chris Lamb. See replaced-url
2712[17:44:35] <jelly> oktawian: ^^
2713[17:44:45] <jelly> oktawian: why do you ask?
2714[17:45:03] <tw> samuel_: use nfs or samba. It's much safer to share disks with a network filesystem that is aware the underlying storage can change arbitrarily.
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2716[17:45:42] <samuel_> tw: yes, thats the way I am doing it now, but I wanted to know if there was another way
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2719[17:46:09] <oktawian> i want to communicate that was i Milczarski von want to be a president of debian.pl or maybe i can get a president of debian.org if you want me in world...I preffer a freeware software ,i like pirate bay ,emule ,p2p and free warez . My candidature is chance for people who believie in freedom in internet . I dont have any jews connections i am clean. I got a social 200 dollars a month. My program for president is 50 percent money for month
2720[17:46:09] <oktawian> for my and for all ...next 50 percentage get an our reserve
2721[17:46:25] <oktawian> do you want to democratic forward me to be your presidentE ?
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2723[17:46:34] <oktawian> do you got a question ?
2724[17:46:46] <oktawian> i dont want any money
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2726[17:46:55] <samuel_> tw: I guess I could make a shared qcow image that I don't mind if it gets corrupted
2727[17:46:58] <oktawian> only 50 percenth like now
2728[17:46:59] <samuel_> as well
2729[17:47:13] <Haohmaru> o_O
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2731[17:47:25] <annadane> dear god.
2732[17:47:26] <oktawian> first i want get a plan with xorg foundation
2733[17:47:30] <Haohmaru> who's your doctor?
2734[17:47:31] <oktawian> xorg must live
2735[17:47:36] <Haohmaru> he gives you some funky pills
2736[17:47:44] <oktawian> linux die when xorg was end
2737[17:47:47] <rant> chomwitt: honestly I don't think it matters.. you can just throw em all at the system and it'll sort it out
2738[17:47:56] <petn-randall> oktawian: This is a Debian support channel, not a way to advocate your DPL nomination.
2739[17:48:00] <oktawian> dont worry i am from poland
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2744[17:48:13] <Haohmaru> famous last words
2745[17:48:28] <tw> samuel_: I'm not aware of any linux disk fs that allows/detects block-level changes to the filesystem to invalidate vfs caches or support shared-disk transaction locking.
2746[17:48:58] <samuel_> tw: oh well, stick with samba it is then
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2751[17:50:05] <epigramx> Are those apt sources stuck on "Waiting for headers" for anyone else? replaced-url
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2756[17:50:18] <samuel_> thanks for the info, I am looking at the "filesystem passthrough" but it does not seem to be recommended
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2771[17:58:05] <chomwitt> rant: i get dependency errors
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2780[18:03:45] <rant> chomwitt: yes well as you install them, they will resolve.. dpkg marks things for install and leaves them unresolved .. but thats just my two sense.. I'm kinda tired and not thinking clearly
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2783[18:04:21] <rant> I do seem to recall doing that in the past though.. just running through them all then doing a --configure -a at the end
2784[18:04:31] <chomwitt> rant: ok
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2787[18:05:09] <rant> perhaps someone else can chime in on how to install multiple packages in correct order
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2790[18:06:28] <greycat> If the order matters, then you need a Pre-Depends:
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2806[18:16:18] <rlange> Not a debian question per se, but anyone know how to figure out which microcode a given processor model *should* be loading? I've installed intel-microcode from stretch-backports, and Intel Ark seems to indicate my processor is compatible with the latest, but 2017-01-27 is what is loaded at boot.
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2808[18:16:58] <petn-randall> ,v intel-microcode
2809[18:16:59] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20171215.1;
2810[18:17:00] <judd> sid/non-free: 3.20171215.1
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2813[18:17:48] <petn-randall> rlange: 2017-11-17 is what's shipped in stretch-backports, in case you're trying to patch the meltdown issue.
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2818[18:18:42] <rlange> yeah, i know the latest spectre/meltdown patch isn't available yet in backports, I'm just trying to figure out whether my processor *should* be able to get it, once it's available, or whether I've been EOLed at 2017-01-27
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2820[18:19:28] <rlange> There doesn't seem to be a site online that says "This processor model gets up to this microcode level," so I guess I just have to trust iucode-tool knows what it's doing.
2821[18:19:41] <dTal> now would be a great time to commit to never running any untrusted code on your computer ever again
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2823[18:20:21] <dTal> really, it was foolishness to expect that to ever be safe in the first place, what with the existence of local privilege escalation exploits
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2826[18:21:11] <petn-randall> rlange: Well, meltdown is patched in the latest kernels, and spectre is a fairly intricate way to read process memory of the same process.
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2830[18:22:03] <dTal> about the only "safe" way to do that would be to have a seperate OS you boot into to do sketchy stuff, in such a way that your main OS is inaccessible (maybe through encryption)
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2834[18:22:51] <rlange> yeah, i know all that, i've got the meltdown-safe kernel, and i'm not terribly worried about spectre. i was just wondering if anyone knew of a resource for Intel processor models/microcode levels.
2835[18:23:34] <petn-randall> dTal: current AMD server processors allow for per-VM RAM encryption.
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2837[18:24:17] <ppafin> I still go with this: [ 0.000000] Kernel/User page tables isolation: disabled on command line. Running 4.14.12.
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2841[18:25:09] <dTal> petn-randall: that's a cool feature! wouldn't trust it though
2842[18:25:23] <Iridos> oh heck… mounting something "noexec" includes running bash scripts with ./name … not with bash ./name , though
2843[18:25:33] <Iridos> that is totally non-obvious when it hits you
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2845[18:25:54] <rlange> Iridos: haha, yeah i love that!
2846[18:26:15] <jelly> Iridos: it becomes obvious after you understand how #! scripts work
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2848[18:26:58] <jelly> personally that took like 10 or 15 years for me
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2850[18:27:09] <jelly> execve() is fun
2851[18:27:17] <petn-randall> ppafin: Do you have a question about that message?
2852[18:27:21] <rlange> dTal: how can you ever trust a chip though? unless you have a SEM and a lot of time, how do you know if the free hardware spec was actually faithfully written in the hardware?
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2854[18:27:37] <Iridos> not sure I do… but it's pretty clear that ./name counts as an execution, while bash ./name is just "reading"
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2856[18:28:08] <ppafin> petn-randall: no, just sharing what I decided to with my debian...
2857[18:28:22] <Iridos> jelly, and… I doubt that. I wasn't even aware that that was mounted noexec when it happened
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2860[18:28:40] <jelly> rlange: it doesn't matter if a goverment can decrypt it, I'm just happy if VM from customer 1 can't decrypt VM from customer 2.
2861[18:28:49] <dTal> rlange: maliciousness built into the chip is a distinct threat model from an exploitable weakness in the chip
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2864[18:29:22] <petn-randall> Iridos: In the latter case you spawn a bash shell and that reads the shell script and executes it. In the former case the kernel looks at the shebang, decides it's not machine code, and spawns the interpreter for you and feeds it the script.
2865[18:29:26] <dTal> at the very least, you can trust that any malicious behaviour will be subtle and non-obvious to avoid detection
2866[18:29:43] <Iridos> yes…
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2869[18:30:32] <dTal> What's all this business I see on bootup where systemd claims to be "registering alternative binary formats" or some such, like Python and Java
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2874[18:31:22] <rlange> binfmt_misc, or something else?
2875[18:31:25] <dTal> I can't remember the precise wording
2876[18:31:41] <greycat> isn't that what logs are for?
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2878[18:32:00] <petn-randall> dTal: Well, at 100% CPU you can read about 1500 byte/s via spectre, so it's not quite subtle.
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2884[18:34:03] <dTal> greycat: funny you should mention that, I just had a go at reading the systemd boot log
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2886[18:34:35] <dTal> running "journalctl" and tapping "end" to skip to the end resulted in instant thrashing and a locked machine
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2888[18:35:01] <dTal> managed to get to a virtual console and kill it
2889[18:35:12] <Iridos> dTal, that's what journalctl -e is for?
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2892[18:35:43] <dTal> I think it's what mailing Leonard Poettering a parcel bomb is for
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2898[18:38:17] <dTal> Classic systemd attitude - "oh of course you have to pass --dont-fsck-everything-up or your computer will literally catch fire, honestly don't you know anything"
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2904[18:40:11] <dTal> the message is "Started Enable support for additional binary formats. Java, python, etc.."
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2906[18:40:48] <rlange> dTal: sounds like binfmt_misc. Is it not that?
2907[18:40:57] <dTal> no idea
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2910[18:41:59] <dTal> seems like it
2911[18:42:06] <jelly> dTal: don't blame journalctl for forked "less" eating up all the memory
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2915[18:42:25] <greycat> Jan 05 08:02:25 wooledg systemd[1]: Started Enable support for additional executable binary formats.
2916[18:42:40] <jelly> (or do blame them, because that would not happen less-ing a plaintext log file)
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2923[18:43:36] <dTal> jelly: indeed, and furthermore it's an extremely questionable decision to pipe the logs from every boot ever by default
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2926[18:43:56] <dTal> (I don't know if it's every boot ever, but it's certainly more than one boot)
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2928[18:44:33] <dTal> So, as always, it's several poor design choices interacting
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2936[18:46:52] <jelly> dTal: as always with fresh new clean software. By the time it gains a thousand workarounds for a thousand tiny bugs, someone will NIH a new one because systemd will be old and bloated.
2937[18:47:04] <jelly> and then repeat most the mistakes.
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2946[18:52:16] <DexterF> hi
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2948[18:52:43] <DexterF> do I need wpasupplicant for a pure hostAP that won't act as client itself?
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2972[19:04:43] <V7> Hey all :) Why this one doesn't work: function test { echo $1; }; find "." -name "1" -exec test "{}" \; ?
2973[19:04:53] <V7> File exists
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2987[19:10:19] <fasle> so I like the idea of predictable interface names, but is there no way in stretch anymore to rename my wifi adapter called "wlx687f74f3187b" into something less bulky? I mean, I could live with wlx68 ... is there any way to define shorthands? I read that udev rules do not work anymore, is this correct? I'd like to avoid the kernel command line solution.
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2993[19:11:33] <fasle> or will something like "ip link set wlx* ..." work reliably?
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2999[19:12:56] <CannedSpinach> is it worthwhile to install samba-dev instead of samba if the samba package is broken?
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3010[19:17:06] <rant> fasle: replaced-url
3011[19:17:37] <rant> I read an article on this a few months ago but dont recall which one now... but this one seems to give some clues
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3014[19:18:26] <rant> there were two ways of doing it in the other article I read.. as I recal
3015[19:18:41] <babilen> tab-completion works for those
3016[19:18:43] <greycat> If you just want to go back to the old names, replaced-url
3017[19:18:44] <fasle> thanks yeah that is the kernel command line solution, I hesitate to go this way ebcause from what I read the debian team will remove this compatiblity with debian 10
3018[19:19:09] <fasle> but I might have that wrong, will check your links thanks
3019[19:19:13] <greycat> It even says how to make your own personal aliases.
3020[19:19:25] <greycat> Step 2 under "how do I disable this"
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3024[19:19:58] <fasle> hmm the systemd.link files seem to be the way to go
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3026[19:20:08] <ThisDebianLit> hello guys, i come to you because i have a very odd situatino
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3029[19:20:31] <ThisDebianLit> i've an instance of debian 8 installed from usb, but without any DE
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3032[19:20:54] <rant> CannedSpinach: not if you actually want to use samba.. the -dev packages are the includes used to build against something
3033[19:21:06] <greycat> ThisDebianLit: does not seem odd to me.
3034[19:21:07] <ThisDebianLit> so, i installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies, how can i configure it to be run at boot time?
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3036[19:21:24] <greycat> ThisDebianLit: sounds like you just want to add a display manager. Try apt-get install lightdm or something.
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3038[19:21:29] <ThisDebianLit> greycat, the thing is, i want to install xfce here, but no by the debian installer
3039[19:21:39] <ThisDebianLit> greycat, i already installed lightDM
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3041[19:21:47] <abwesend> hello Guys
3042[19:21:49] <ThisDebianLit> how can i setup it to be run at boot time?
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3044[19:22:06] <greycat> You ... compiled xfce from source code?
3045[19:22:15] <ThisDebianLit> greycat, nope
3046[19:22:27] <_0xis> have you rebooted?
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3052[19:23:12] <abwesend> just a short question: somebody knows, how i can use the python -c command in terminal, i.e. <python -c "'hello'*8"> without printing a newline?
3053[19:23:26] <ThisDebianLit> _0xis, not after i installed lightDM
3054[19:23:35] <ThisDebianLit> is lightDM setup'd automatically?
3055[19:23:41] <LiENUS> whats the procedure for editing the grub command line on debian? (specifically trying to add nopti)
3056[19:23:48] <_0xis> Try rebooting
3057[19:23:59] <greycat> LiENUS: edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
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3059[19:24:09] <ThisDebianLit> ok ty, brb
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3061[19:24:54] <LiENUS> thanks greycat, now to wait for my window
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3064[19:25:33] <FinalX> abwesend: this maybe? python -c "import sys; sys.stdout.write('hello'*8)"
3065[19:25:58] <abwesend> I'll give it a try
3066[19:26:00] <abwesend> thank you
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3068[19:27:17] <rant> abwesend: python -c "print 'hello'*8,"
3069[19:27:50] <rant> abwesend: no need for sys.stdout just use print with a comma at the end
3070[19:28:17] <FinalX> eh, that still gives a \n, which is implicit with print
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3075[19:29:16] <FinalX> a , only combines printing of multiple variables/whatever, doesn't remove the \n
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3078[19:30:17] <rant> yeah this is true
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3080[19:31:04] <rant> abwesend: in any case #python would be better in the future.. has a lot of people who all use python
3081[19:31:19] <abwesend> yeah, the "," method doesnt seems to work
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3083[19:31:36] <abwesend> but the sys method seems to do it's job
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3087[19:32:02] <abwesend> even if i got even more questions now, since gdb is printing something completely different now
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3089[19:32:10] <abwesend> but thank you very much!!
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3104[19:39:32] <asterismo_m> hi
3105[19:39:52] <asterismo_m> can i run a jessie kernel in stretch?
3106[19:39:57] <greycat> yes
3107[19:40:22] <asterismo_m> is there any repo with them?
3108[19:40:33] <greycat> Sure. It's called jessie.
3109[19:40:37] <asterismo_m> sources?
3110[19:40:54] <annadane> !xy problem
3111[19:40:54] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
3112[19:40:54] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3113[19:40:58] <asterismo_m> just dpkg on stretch?
3114[19:41:02] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3115[19:41:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3119[19:42:17] <asterismo_m> my system hangs very nastly with kernel 4.9
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3121[19:42:50] <annadane> then why not try backporting a newer kernel instead of resorting to a very old one
3122[19:43:07] <asterismo_m> i want to try 3.16 before i reinstall and downgrade the system to jessie again
3123[19:43:23] <annadane> you can't downgrade from stretch to jessie
3124[19:43:26] <greycat> If you upgraded from jessie, you should still HAVE the jessie kernel, so just boot that.
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3128[19:43:48] <asterismo_m> ok, i'll look
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3131[19:44:58] <asterismo_m> annadane: it also happens with my panasonic thougbook, stretch and newer kernels hangs the graphics very nastly as well
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3134[19:45:18] <asterismo_m> opensource drivers
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3137[19:46:21] <asterismo_m> i find stretch to be very buggy or unstable in many systems i tried
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3139[19:46:35] <annadane> what DE are you using?
3140[19:46:42] <asterismo_m> lxde
3141[19:46:43] <greycat> The video drivers are hugely different in stretch. That's the biggest change from jessie for desktops.
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3143[19:46:48] <asterismo_m> or none
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3145[19:47:22] <asterismo_m> greycat: different how?
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3147[19:47:36] <asterismo_m> newer?
3148[19:47:42] <greycat> replaced-url
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3150[19:47:51] <greycat> More like "totally replaced".
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3154[19:50:06] <asterismo_m> lol, yeah
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3173[19:58:56] <annadane> "Package: gpg on amd64 -- buster: 2.2.4-1; sid: 2.2.4-1"
3174[19:59:03] <annadane> what is it called in stretch
3175[19:59:22] <annadane> oh it's gnupg
3176[19:59:23] <annadane> duh
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3196[20:08:14] <docmax> i cant chroot on MIPS 34K
3197[20:08:22] <docmax> illegal instruction
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3208[20:14:15] <nkuttler> !tell docmax about mips
3209[20:14:24] <nkuttler> docmax: probably better luck there
3210[20:14:31] <docmax> where?
3211[20:14:40] <nkuttler> the bot sent you a msg
3212[20:14:44] <nkuttler> !mips
3213[20:14:44] <dpkg> MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
3214[20:15:06] <docmax> i tried both versions
3215[20:15:18] <nkuttler> #mipslinux i mean
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3250[20:31:50] <tmm88> heyho everyone
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3257[20:34:57] <kale> i get various errors/warings in syslog, bu am having a hard time tracking it down. examples are: " Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!", "CPU: 7 PID: 71 Comm: kswapd0 Tainted: G D O 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5", "general protection fault: 0000 [#2] SMP", "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 0000000006243f74"
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3259[20:36:01] <greycat> 4.9.0-3 is two ABI versions behind current stable
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3263[20:37:43] <kale> greycat: just ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, sis not get newer version
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3265[20:38:00] <greycat> you need dist-upgrade to bring in new kernel packages
3266[20:38:18] <greycat> the ABI change means you'll have both 4.9.0-3 and 4.9.0-5 packages at the same time
3267[20:38:21] <kale> greycat: sorry, i did dist-upgrade
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3274[20:40:22] <asterismo_l> hi
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3276[20:40:48] <asterismo_l> i booted stretch in a jessie kernel and nginx wont start
3277[20:40:51] <asterismo_l> any ideas?
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3279[20:41:00] <rpifan> add starch
3280[20:41:04] <greycat> Read the logs and see what's wrong.
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3283[20:41:47] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
3284[20:42:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
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3289[20:43:12] <asterismo_l> pss
3290[20:43:17] <asterismo_l> apache was running
3291[20:43:19] <asterismo_l> wtf
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3293[20:43:33] <greycat> Either pick one, or configure one of them to listen on a different port.
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3333[21:05:00] <kruug> MariaDB 10.1.26-MariaDB-0+deb9u1 - when I try to login to a user via .sh script, I get "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user '<user>'@'localhost' (using password: NO)". When I login using `mysql -u <user>`, it accesses just fine.
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3335[21:05:50] <kruug> Note, this user in question is not `root`
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3344[21:08:23] <d3c0> !hi
3345[21:08:23] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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3347[21:08:59] <d3c0> I need information about Elpy for emacs editor, thank you.
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3350[21:09:51] <kruug> d3c0: replaced-url
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3354[21:14:10] <dj-death> Hi all
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3357[21:14:43] <mnuhmnuh> try "!hi"
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3359[21:15:06] <kruug> !hi
3360[21:15:06] <dpkg> hello, kruug
3361[21:15:07] <mnuhmnuh> sublime.
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3364[21:15:39] <mnuhmnuh> irc ver. of ping.
3365[21:16:10] <kruug> syn
3366[21:16:26] <mnuhmnuh> eh?
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3368[21:16:42] <kruug> when you ping, the response is pong. when you syn, the response is ack
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3372[21:18:02] <phogg> kruug: rst
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3375[21:18:15] <mnuhmnuh> ah; ancient history. forgot to check historical refs. sigh. i plead senility.
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3377[21:18:36] <phogg> Hmm? No you're right. I was making a joke. Sort of.
3378[21:19:17] <kruug> phogg: fin ?
3379[21:19:39] <mnuhmnuh> i actually meant "!hi" for dj-death...".
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3383[21:20:04] <greycat> he left seconds after speaking
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3386[21:20:46] <mnuhmnuh> i ignore leaves, quits, ..
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3389[21:21:00] <mnuhmnuh> noise.
3390[21:21:10] <kruug> signal
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3392[21:21:30] <phogg> hard to follow a conversation if you don't know who saw which parts of it
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3394[21:22:03] <kruug> I just want to get my script working :(
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3398[21:24:14] <mnuhmnuh> phogg: so's everything. so?
3399[21:24:28] <oo_miguel> can anyone recomment a light and simple webmail client that ships with debian? I was using squirrelmail, but I am a bit concernect about its age.. last update was 2011
3400[21:24:57] <kruug> alpine?
3401[21:25:00] <kruug> mutt?
3402[21:25:04] <SteelGolem> do i have to worry about defragging my sd card?
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3405[21:25:17] <kruug> SteelGolem: no
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3408[21:25:37] <SteelGolem> debian doesn't do any of that does it?
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3410[21:25:48] <SteelGolem> i'm

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