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• 8[00:04:40] <the8thbit> hello. Im not getting any audio in unity-editor. I tried asking for help in #unity3d and they seemed stumped. All other applications produce sound, and unity3d doesn't seem to produce any related errors
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• 32[00:22:45] <awal1> n4dir: well, you may want to try to download the debian image mac specific and check if at least it have a special features for mac stuff in disk partitioning step
• 33[00:23:21] <n4dir> yeah, i downoaded and will later simply start it and look how it goes
• 34[00:24:06] <n4dir> if os X is gone it ain't the end of the world, can't say i like it that much and you hardly get any software for it.
• 35[00:24:23] <n4dir> as far the old machines are related
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• 40[00:25:05] <awal1> debimage for mac hardware exists since 2 or 3 years now, even under ubuntu; I guess they are "work in progress"
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• 46[00:27:28] <n4dir> first a nap, then i will see how it goes. thanks for your interest, awal1
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• 66[00:38:04] <awal1> Internet was working fine in my qemu-kvm debian VM running wicd in the debian host. I had some wifi troubles and I removed wicd and installed network manager. I noticied that net issue is modem/router related, not system software. Since I always have a better connection with wicd, not with nm, I removed nm and reinstalled wicd. Now I have no internet in my debian guest. what should I look for?
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• 71[00:40:37] <jhutchins> awal1: Look for nm components that didn't get installed, make sure wicd has all of it's libraries and accessories if any.
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• 74[00:41:17] <jhutchins> awal1: Generally nm has been the better, more mature package in the last several releases and I didn't think anybody was still working on wicd, but whatever works best for you.
• 75[00:42:48] <awal1> jhutchins: all fine with wicd components and no trace of nm.
• 76[00:42:54] <jhutchins> awal1: If you're here when n4dir comes back you might have him /msg dpkg ppc and read the documentation. It's not difficult, but it's tricky.
• 77[00:43:27] <jhutchins> awal1: wicd wasn't able to see my card, but that was several releases ago.
• 78[00:44:10] <jhutchins> awal1: You might rebuild (delete & re add?) the virtual nic.
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• 81[00:44:43] <jhutchins> awal1: Standard troubleshooting steps, lspci, dmesg.
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• 83[00:45:28] <awal1> with nm I get around 50/60% internet "connection force", as wicd calls it; with wicd I get around 75/80; that's why I use it
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• 86[00:46:38] <awal1> jhutchins: looked there yet, no relevant info. something is wrong with qemu-kkvm bridge stuff, I guess. but ssince I'm not familiar, I have no much clue.
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• 96[00:54:12] <awal1> jhutchins: the problem I always had with nm , apart conection level, 20% much with wicd, is the auto reconnection to wifi when loosing it. wicd does it in a few seconds, nm does it rarely or never, having so to do it manually all the time
• 97[00:54:25] <awal1> 20% more ^
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• 99[00:55:32] <jhutchins> awal1: I'd remove the bridge and recreate it.
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• 101[00:55:47] <jhutchins> awal1: I have to do that with VMWare occasionally.
• 102[00:56:14] <awal1> jhutchings: will try, ok, thanks
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• 105[00:58:20] <teraflops> awal1: hmm, a bridge? does your wireless nick support bridge mode?
• 106[00:58:24] <teraflops> nic
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• 108[00:59:32] <awal1> teraflops: yes.
• 109[00:59:36] <teraflops> ah
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• 141[01:17:11] <esck> please help
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• 145[01:21:53] <mizerian> what is up
• 146[01:22:00] <mizerian> what needs help?
• 147[01:22:15] <mizerian> iceWM and skip wireless just plug into router with cat6
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• 149[01:22:20] <mizerian> solves most bs
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• 151[01:22:25] <mizerian> debian is very solid seemingly
• 152[01:22:28] <esck> mizerian: i have pain in my butthole, can you help?
• 153[01:22:29] <mizerian> Im enjoying it
• 154[01:22:40] <mizerian> sure lube it and bend over
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• 156[01:22:56] <esck> mizerian: ok i'm ready
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• 158[01:23:09] <mizerian> jak this rubber chciken
• 159[01:23:24] <mizerian> n eggs
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• 161[01:23:27] <mizerian> oil it a bit
• 162[01:23:29] <mizerian> get it ready
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• 164[01:23:41] <mizerian> I love the eggs being lightly scratched
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• 167[01:26:02] <stoned> sda1 is windows, sda2 is windows, sda3 is debian, sda4 is /home. I installed debian after windows. I need to reinstall windows. I forgot how would I restore my bootloader after installing windows again?
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• 169[01:26:11] <stoned> I wana know this before I do this
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• 174[01:28:56] <awal1> stoned: you mean reinstall windows without removing debian partitions first?
• 175[01:29:44] <converge_> I have this problem, looks key I have a stuck keyboard key being type on every active window, sometimes it shows random chars (repetitive parts), I thought it was with the keyboard, so I turned it off, the problem continue. I check for some remote/local network access, there isnt. checked the process using top, cant see nothing wierd
• 176[01:29:49] <converge_> some idea what could be wrong ?
• 177[01:30:05] <stoned> yes
• 178[01:30:29] <stoned> I want to retain debian and reinstall windows on sda1/2 and restore my debian bootloader/mbr later
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• 181[01:31:50] <stoned> replaced-url
• 182[01:32:00] <stoned> Disk /dev/sda: 119.2 GiB, 128031448576 bytes, 250061423 sectors
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• 184[01:32:18] <stoned> This one is my SSD, 128GB ssd, 4 partitions, first two are windows, and 2nd two are debianl inux
• 185[01:32:33] <stoned> bootloader is grub, currently, and it's an mbr machine
• 186[01:32:42] <stoned> grub2 (whatever came with jessie)
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• 188[01:33:35] <awal1> stoned: well, if you know how to reinstall windows without loosing debian partitions, I guess, at the end you'll just need a live gnu/linux cd image, and, as root, run: grub-install /dev/whateveris your bootpartition and update-grub
• 189[01:33:37] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 191[01:34:00] <awal1> also you can do that via the debian installer
• 192[01:34:07] <stoned> ok
• 193[01:34:22] <stoned> I wanted to remove windows 10, go back to 7, and retain my debian
• 194[01:34:32] <stoned> I just forgot how to restore the grub loader after installing a diff os
• 195[01:34:54] <stoned> can it be done with debian netinst image/
• 196[01:35:05] <stoned> or do I have to grab a linux live cd? I am very limited on bandwidth, open wifi
• 197[01:35:13] <awal1> but I dont know what you'll have to do when you finish you windows installation and before inserting the live cd/debian installer cd
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• 199[01:35:41] <awal1> maybe just just turn off windows and boot with live cd/deb installer
• 200[01:35:42] <[Saint]> hmmm, my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/**-foo files don't appear to be being used.
• 201[01:36:25] <awal1> stoned: debian recommended way is: install windows then debian, not the reverse
• 202[01:36:39] <stoned> that's whatI did the first time
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• 207[01:36:48] <stoned> but now I need to reinstal windows, but not reinstall debian
• 208[01:36:52] <stoned> :)
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• 211[01:37:55] <awal1> well: recover , in "normal circunstances" is just 2 commands: grub-install /dev/boot-partition and update-grub
• 212[01:38:03] <stoned> wicked.
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• 214[01:38:17] <stoned> actually
• 215[01:38:30] <stoned> I have an idea b/c I don't have cd or usb
• 216[01:38:32] <stoned> :D
• 217[01:39:09] <stoned> after I reinstall windows, I can grab windows NeoGrub, and boot debian using legacy grub1 for windows, then once in debian, I can restore my grub using grub-install /dev/sda and update-grub
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• 220[01:40:16] <stoned> I'm did a poor man install earlier, I was on windows 10, so I isntalled debian netboot kernel, ramdisk, booted it with old grub legacy in windows (i sitl don't understand copmlex grub 2) and using the ramdisk/kernel image I loaded the installer, thent he base ssytem and my whole system
• 221[01:40:33] <stoned> my system does not have a cdrom and I don't have an usb keys or drives
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• 229[01:44:48] <awal1> well, remove windows and use the entire disk for debian is much better; no more headache
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• 246[01:56:57] <Delf> Can't seem to get /etc/gdm3/PostLogin/Default to run. Has it been depreciated?
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• 253[02:00:38] <Delf> Of course, I've renamed it from Default.sample to Default.
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• 281[02:19:11] <kuSuSE> um, what is this email even saying? replaced-url
• 282[02:19:36] <kuSuSE> new in it or new in IT? o.O
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• 284[02:20:00] <mizerian> hmmm
• 285[02:20:05] <mizerian> whats gdm?
• 286[02:20:07] <mizerian> i frogot
• 287[02:20:20] <mizerian> I ude iceWM cuz dwm is a bit of a pain
• 288[02:20:31] <mizerian> why dont firefox use ram?
• 289[02:20:34] <mizerian> automatically
• 290[02:20:48] <mizerian> disk is such slowwest aprt fo computer and they hit it again n gain
• 291[02:20:53] <mizerian> I hate gigs of free ram
• 292[02:20:56] <mizerian> wankers
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• 508[04:14:48] <i-kill-frogs> my psychiatrist had a pet frog
• 509[04:15:14] <i-kill-frogs> mr psycho dude, the psychiatrist, and my psycho frog, the frog in the little glass cage on his desk
• 510[04:15:30] <bazhang> !ops | i-kill-frogs
• 511[04:15:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | i-kill-frogs
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• 513[04:15:51] <i-kill-frogs> mr psycho dude said, "have you ever killed anyone?"
• 514[04:16:00] <i-kill-frogs> i killed his pet frog, with a scissors
• 515[04:16:08] <i-kill-frogs> and then said, "yes, i've killed"
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• 517[04:16:16] <i-kill-frogs> that was the first time i killed a frog
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• 519[04:16:23] <i-kill-frogs> and since then i have been killing frogs
• 520[04:16:30] <i-kill-frogs> and i still do kill frogs
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• 522[04:16:42] <i-kill-frogs> in the future i intend to be killing frogs
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• 525[04:16:49] <i-kill-frogs> because i kill frogs
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• 540[04:21:03] -i-kill-frogs- i kill frogs
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• 546[04:23:16] <Robby> you gotta love the very accessible Internet, available for every crazy idiot out there
• 547[04:23:40] <Robby> such as that guy
• 548[04:23:41] <Robby> :D
• 549[04:23:50] <gildarts> Robby: I really wouldn't mind if using the internet took a few more brain cells.
• 550[04:23:57] <Robby> same here
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• 557[04:25:04] <i-kill-frogs> my psychiatrist used to have a pet frog
• 558[04:25:17] <i-kill-frogs> but my psychiatrist asked me, "have you ever killed anything"?
• 559[04:25:19] <Robby> and the sillyness continues! wonderful
• 560[04:25:26] <i-kill-frogs> i stabbed his frog with a scissors
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• 563[04:25:36] <i-kill-frogs> then i said "yes, i have"
• 564[04:25:46] <i-kill-frogs> that was the first time i ever killed a frog
• 565[04:25:54] <i-kill-frogs> and since then i have been killing frogs
• 566[04:25:56] <Comstock> you just spam the same story
• 567[04:25:59] <i-kill-frogs> i kill frogs
• 568[04:26:00] <Comstock> in multiple channels
• 569[04:26:04] <Comstock> you aren't original.
• 570[04:26:13] <i-kill-frogs> and in the future i intend to be killing frogs
• 571[04:26:17] <Robby> yeah, he's not even trying to do his best ;p
• 572[04:26:20] <i-kill-frogs> because i kill frogs
• 573[04:26:30] <i-kill-frogs> Robby: go kill frogs!
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• 575[04:26:56] <Robby> yeah, sure crazy guy on the Internet, I'll get right on that ...
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• 747[06:30:06] <somiaj> do other sounds work?
• 748[06:30:19] <vitalius> yes
• 749[06:30:20] <somiaj> or more specificly do other sounds from xfce4 work?
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• 751[06:30:57] <vitalius> browser works, canberra-gtk-play -f /usr/share/sounds/default/stereo/bell.oga works
• 752[06:31:26] <somiaj> do they work at the same time? (just seeing if mixing multiple sources works?) using pulse audio or not?
• 753[06:31:37] <vitalius> pulse
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• 755[06:32:14] <somiaj> you ahve the libcanberra-pulse installed?
• 756[06:33:46] <vitalius> yep
• 757[06:34:03] <vitalius> and both browser and canberra-gtk-play work at the same time
• 758[06:34:21] <vitalius> i checked all xfce settings, sound card, sound theme, etc ... all there
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• 760[06:34:47] <vitalius> do you know where I can look at xfce4 logs regarding event sounds?
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• 762[06:34:57] <somiaj> what is the reulst of env | grep GTK_MODULE
• 763[06:35:00] <vitalius> like if it can't find a sound file or some resource
• 764[06:35:14] <somiaj> I don't know xfce4 that well, just reading from google.
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• 766[06:35:27] <somiaj> You may find an xfce4 channel a bit better support. I don't really know what could be going on
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• 768[06:35:37] <vitalius> ok thanks
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• 774[06:37:40] <somiaj> vitalius: Do you have any sounds insatlled, check /usr/share/sounds
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• 777[06:37:56] <vitalius> yep
• 778[06:38:15] <vitalius> canberra-gtk-play -f /usr/share/sounds/default/stereo/bell.oga
• 779[06:38:19] <vitalius> works
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• 784[06:40:27] <somiaj> found one form where it only worked with moblin theme not freedesktop-theme. It could be the theme you are using are missing some sounds
• 785[06:40:47] <somiaj> anyways I see various issues with this from google, so you are not alone.
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• 788[06:41:04] <somiaj> but don't have any solutions except keep reading different forums and trying the different suggestions/checking the different settings
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• 792[06:42:42] <vitalius> i did that for about a day
• 793[06:42:45] <vitalius> thanks somiaj
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• 800[06:53:24] <dionysus69> how do I check version of a repo package which is to be upgraded?
• 801[06:53:41] <somiaj> dionysus69: apt-cache policy packagename
• 802[06:53:46] <dionysus69> thanks :)
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• 826[07:14:15] <grateful> anybody know a program to chromecast my desktop?
• 827[07:14:32] <grateful> the extension in the browser just does the browser
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• 837[07:20:00] <BenNZ> grateful: videostream works
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• 848[07:28:13] <dionysus69> hmm is it fine if i ask nginx questions here? I just want basic orientation?
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• 880[07:52:49] <awal1> videostream
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• 882[07:53:07] <awal1> ,v videostream
• 883[07:53:08] <judd> No package named 'videostream' was found in amd64.
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• 888[07:57:01] <kfboz> Hello, I have a bit of crisis. I'm not hyper familiar with how GRUB and bootloader works, but I installed an SSD alongside my regular HDD, and installed windows and then wiped the new SSD to put debian on it
• 889[07:58:12] <kfboz> So now it looks like disk one is the HDD my main debian install and disk 2 is the new debian install. I had to boot into the new debian install (sdb) and copy over the kernel to /boot so I could boot back into 4.6 and my old install
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• 891[07:59:02] <kfboz> but now post crypto unlock says "device-mapper: remove ioctl on sda3 crypt failed device or resource busy"
• 892[07:59:30] <kfboz> I'm hyper stressed now because I'm supposed to start a new job in 12 hours, I have backups and such but would love to just be able to boot back into my old system
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• 894[08:00:16] <kfboz> I know the files are probably fine in their partition but I just need to figure out how to get bootloader. Please could someone help me? Which files should I pastebin to determine what I need to do next? I'm so lost and scared, I might just quit computers and buy a tamigotchi
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• 896[08:00:50] <kfboz> if somone helps me before its too late I'll buy them a beer or pizza or chinese or something i don't care I just need to be saved, dear GNU gods
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• 918[08:17:04] <kqr> is there a recommendation for where daemons should save their state? (if they want it to persist across reboots)
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• 933[08:23:28] <jelly> kqr: /var/lib/name ?
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• 935[08:24:05] <kqr> thanks!
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• 951[08:30:39] <kfrz> ok so I'm not sure how to fix my bootrecord situation. I installed a new device and copy of debian on that device, over a windows installation and now I can't unlock into my other device's cryptluks drive
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• 954[08:31:04] <kfrz> It's giving me "device-mapper: unable to delete ioctl on sda3 failed: device or resource busy"
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• 956[08:31:23] <kfrz> I don't have any idea what to do next really, but I can log into a stable Debian on the new drive, so at least I have going for methat
• 957[08:31:51] <kfrz> I'm trying to mount the drive from this system but it won't mount I get mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
• 958[08:31:59] <kfrz> Any pointers where to go next?thanks friends
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• 969[08:42:52] <kfrz> replaced-url
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• 980[08:51:57] <kfrz> Is there a way I can just force unmount?
• 981[08:52:15] <kfrz> I'm really effed here. I need a lifeline I will pay for expert
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• 986[08:55:04] <awal1> kfrz: if yyou are looking for consultants check replaced-url
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• 996[09:02:16] <kfrz> yes yes thank you!
• 997[09:02:40] <kfrz> nobody here to help me figure out my knowledge gap so I will have to figure something out
• 998[09:03:36] <DoctorD90> guys good morning! imusing debian jessie, and my pc goes at 99% when something called miner/track-store starts to work. I use GNOME. I discovered this page: replaced-url
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• 1000[09:04:04] <Iota> Good morning, world!
• 1001[09:04:32] <DoctorD90> so problem is in "search". If i delete it I will have issue in ctrl-F. It is there a way to restore "old"(gnome2) way to search for file? so I can delete this app?
• 1002[09:05:09] <DoctorD90> I mean, when I type, I just highlitgh document in folder, without create a list of all possible solutions?
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• 1005[09:05:56] <brainware> kfrz: you need to use Live OS
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• 1010[09:08:21] <kfrz> brainware: I'm on sdb right now, a separate debian install and I still can't mount sda
• 1011[09:08:31] <kfrz> I'm getting quite nervous that I'll lose my job tomorrow lol
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• 1013[09:09:47] <brainware> kfrz: use Live OS like Debain or Kali then , if you need unmount . use Disk applications
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• 1015[09:10:12] <kfrz> I don't understand, am I not using live os now?
• 1016[09:10:33] <kfrz> How does differ while being on a sepaerate device whether its an SSD or USB drive
• 1017[09:11:12] <brainware> kfrz: of course you cant mount that sda, cause you still in there
• 1018[09:11:37] <brainware> kfrz: yeah you can try
• 1019[09:12:18] <brainware> kfrz: i've a problem like that with my persistence usb
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• 1021[09:13:22] <kfrz> So let me break it down a bit more, I had sda installed Luks encrypted drive 500gb debian, runs fine for long time. Get SSD, install on sdb and install windows. runs fine can swit
• 1022[09:13:24] <kfrz> ch
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• 1024[09:13:36] <kfrz> but I went to install debian on the new drive sdb tonight, wiped winows
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• 1027[09:13:57] <kfrz> now when booting to sda, it gives me windows repair screen (/boot/efi)and I cant unlock crypt disk on sda3
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• 1029[09:14:03] <kfrz> really scared of losing job in the am lol
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• 1035[09:14:49] <kfrz> replaced-url
• 1036[09:15:00] <awal1> DoctorD90: I dont run gnome, so I don't really know what are you talking about, but there is a nice tool called "synapse" for search, it's really an advanced tool
• 1037[09:15:13] <kfrz> heres lsblk replaced-url
• 1038[09:15:23] <awal1> maybe it replaces that gnome feature
• 1039[09:15:25] <kfrz> and cat/proc/mounts replaced-url
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• 1042[09:16:58] <DoctorD90> awal1, thx, but I dont know what to search :P on gnome 2 if i type a name in the folder, it just highligthes files/folders name. on gnome 3 it creates a list of possible files/folder, even in subfolders
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• 1044[09:17:39] <brainware> kfrz: device resource busy ?
• 1045[09:17:48] <kfrz> yes
• 1046[09:17:58] <kfrz> brainware: yes
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• 1048[09:18:04] <kfrz> please tell me you have an idea
• 1049[09:18:10] <kfrz> I'm so desparate lol
• 1050[09:18:24] <awal1> DoctorD90: well, synapse is an independent tool, no file manager dependent. so you was reffering in search in nautilus (gnome file manager) ?
• 1051[09:18:31] <ransur0t> kfrz: is/was sda3 encrypted using the debian os? or win?
• 1052[09:18:38] <brainware> kfrz: cause you use that sda. you still in there,
• 1053[09:18:52] <DoctorD90> awal1, sorry. Yes, im was referring to nautilus :)
• 1054[09:19:00] <kfrz> ransur0t: sda3 was encrypted using debian on install yes
• 1055[09:19:01] <kfrz> luks
• 1056[09:19:20] <DoctorD90> synapse wasnt the apt-get's gui? :P
• 1057[09:19:23] <brainware> kfrz: yeah,, my idea . just use live OS
• 1058[09:19:26] <ransur0t> right, thought so
• 1059[09:19:30] <kfrz> brainware: I just don't understand how it's in use when I'm logged into the filesystem on /dev/sdb
• 1060[09:19:50] <brainware> use live os => open Disk => decrypt sda
• 1061[09:19:53] <kfrz> I don't know what I would do in a live os
• 1062[09:20:06] <ransur0t> what does your fstab say?
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• 1064[09:20:16] <kfrz> ransur0t: replaced-url
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• 1069[09:20:52] <kfrz> ransur0t: ln 11 is what stands out to me
• 1070[09:21:20] <ransur0t> "was on ... during installation"
• 1071[09:21:52] <kfrz> ln 12
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• 1073[09:21:59] <awal1> DoctorD90: since i dont use gnome, I have no clue about your issue, sorry. but any other file manager have that feature (ctrl+f), probably with same capabilities as nautilus
• 1074[09:22:02] <kfrz> sry. why is the uuid so short?
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• 1076[09:22:15] <awal1> DoctorD90: synaptic
• 1077[09:22:20] <kfrz> should it mount on /boot/efi? Am I a total idiot?
• 1078[09:22:33] <awal1> synapse is a different rool
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• 1080[09:22:38] <awal1> ,v synapse
• 1081[09:22:39] <judd> Package: synapse on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.10-2; jessie-backports: 0.2.99.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.2.99.2-2; sid: 0.2.99.2-2
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• 1083[09:23:48] <DoctorD90> awal1, Ah! ok so synapse is just another tool. Gotcha. by the way. I go well with nautilus. The only problem is like it search, and this gnome's tracker/miner
• 1084[09:23:53] <ransur0t> kfrz: can you unmount the partition?
• 1085[09:24:12] <kfrz> ransur0t: I want to try doing just that now. Let me step by step it quick
• 1086[09:24:28] <kfrz> just ... `umount sda` ?
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• 1088[09:24:43] <awal1> DoctorD90: you can try synapse , it's interesting , but you may want to forget it, since it doesn't solve your nautilus issue; I misunderstood you :P
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• 1090[09:25:08] <nkuttler> how does the certbot package work, does it update itself before running?
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• 1094[09:25:26] <DoctorD90> awal1, never mind! :D i will give it a "search" to check it ^^ by the way, i was thinking to switch to mate :P
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• 1096[09:26:04] <DoctorD90> the main issue is that I have fully setted gnome T_T ....switching I let's start with issue, doubled apps, and so on....
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• 1100[09:26:21] <DoctorD90> so im waiting new pc to directl install mate from "scratch"
• 1101[09:26:41] <ransur0t> do you have a gui disk utility installed, to take a look at some top level output?
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• 1104[09:27:16] <awal1> well, via synapse I discovered that chromium doesn't delete the history completely as the user requests manually :D :P
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• 1109[09:28:09] <DoctorD90> lol
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• 1116[09:32:08] <awal1> the only way for delete completely chromium history is deleting chromium folder in .cache
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• 1118[09:32:18] <DoctorD90> yep :P
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• 1120[09:32:51] <awal1> firefox does what the user requests
• 1121[09:33:16] <DoctorD90> i love firefox!
• 1122[09:33:31] <awal1> you can install mate alongside gnome
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• 1124[09:34:04] <awal1> or better go with xfce
• 1125[09:34:30] <awal1> i had a few troubles in the past (wheezy) having gnome + mate
• 1126[09:34:53] <awal1> troubles concerning theming and default apps
• 1127[09:35:46] <awal1> almost nautilus conflicting with mate file manager ( i forgot the name)
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• 1131[09:36:54] <DoctorD90> yea...im worried abut this :P
• 1132[09:37:40] <DoctorD90> so i have to purchase a new pc, so i will install mate directly to it
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• 1136[09:38:42] <awal1> you can have all the DE's available in debian in same machine; troubles are really minor, easily solvable
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• 1139[09:40:36] <awal1> I find xfce better, even if kde is the most robust and featured. but personally i just run a WM
• 1140[09:40:59] <DoctorD90> :P i have installed this system 11 times in 1 week at start of this year xD so i dont want minor trubles tooxD
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• 1142[09:41:14] <DoctorD90> WM?
• 1143[09:41:19] <awal1> 11 times? wow
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• 1147[09:41:50] <awal1> window manager (openbox, fvwm...)
• 1148[09:42:56] <kfrz> i love me some i3
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• 1182[09:59:19] <jubo2> When is the next Debian Stable due for release?
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• 1190[10:03:24] <bezaban> jubo2: when it's done, basically. There is a pool for betting on dates in this channel. I would guess around february/march perhaps
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• 1211[10:15:57] <bezaban> oh right. those were actually guesses for freeze dates I was citing. Thought it already had froze
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• 1286[11:02:32] <MaxLanar> Hi. Should I expect to run into some issue with a computer with an Intel Core i5-6400 CPU (& integrated 'HD Graphics 530' GPU) with debian (stable) ? Or does things should run smootlhy without tinker much ? Is it fully (3D too) supported with floss software/drivers ? I found people having issues with this setup one year ago but can't find anything recent on the web or on debian website. Any experiences with this hardware on debian ?
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• 1289[11:04:48] <babilen> MaxLanar: Working fine on unstable. You could give it a try on jessie with the kernel (and maybe xserver-xorg-video-intel) from jessie-backports
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• 1291[11:05:35] <babilen> Personally I'd simply track a stretch/sid mix with stretch as the default release at the moment if your hardware is not working well otherwise
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• 1293[11:06:54] <MaxLanar> babilen: thanks for your advice. FYI I haven't bought the computer yet. It's for a gift for a teenager so I prefer to avoid unstable or testing.
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• 1295[11:07:24] <babilen> Right
• 1296[11:07:43] <babilen> jessie shouldn't be too long in the making now, but we don't really know when it'll be released just now
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• 1298[11:07:53] <babilen> Err, stretch naturally
• 1299[11:08:06] <MaxLanar> backports could be fine though
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• 1303[11:08:56] <babilen> I'm just not sure how well it works with backports. The kernel in there is definitely new enough, but I just don't have personal experience as I'm tracking unstable on my private boxes
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• 1308[11:10:39] <MaxLanar> babilen: Do you need any unfree driver on your boxes with the gpu ?
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• 1310[11:11:19] <babilen> No
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• 1312[11:11:36] <XeonSquared> MaxLanar: Intel tends to have solid GPU drivers that 'just werk' on Linux
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• 1314[11:11:47] <babilen> MaxLanar: I have a 540 in this box, but the situation shouldn't be too different
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• 1316[11:12:01] <MaxLanar> and the GPU is fully supported, with 3D hardware acceleration ?
• 1317[11:12:04] <babilen> I'm using the modesetting driver rather than the intel one though
• 1318[11:12:14] <babilen> Your biggest problem will be Xorg, rather than the kernel
• 1319[11:12:24] <jelly> babilen: that cpu marking sounds new enough not to need video-intel
• 1320[11:12:28] <jelly> right
• 1321[11:13:05] <babilen> And there is no backport of that, which is why I am really not sure if the kernel from backports will do the trick for you
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• 1323[11:13:20] <babilen> It works without issues on testing/unstable
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• 1326[11:13:47] <jelly> no HWE stack for you
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• 1333[11:18:47] <MaxLanar> HWE ?
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• 1335[11:19:11] <bazhang> hardware enablement stack
• 1336[11:19:30] <jelly> MaxLanar: it's an ubuntu thing, they backport new kernel+xorg+drm+mesa+video drivers to long-term releases
• 1337[11:19:57] <jelly> debian does not have backports for the whole stack
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• 1339[11:21:07] <MaxLanar> you mean I'll have to cherry pick all the right pieces in order for that cpu to work properly ?
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• 1342[11:22:00] <MaxLanar> (that may not be a problem)
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• 1344[11:22:41] <jelly> I mean it's probably easier to use stretch (current testing) right away
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• 1351[11:27:50] <MaxLanar> jelly: maybe I'll do that if it turns out I have too much issue with jessie. After all testing could be OK even for a teenager, provided that technical assitance is readily available (from me)
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• 1358[11:29:35] <MaxLanar> Anyway, concerning GNU/Linux support for recent HW (with floss), intel is the best choice right ?
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• 1360[11:30:09] <jelly> MaxLanar: not testing, stretch (so you can keep on using stretch after it flips to being stable)
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• 1362[11:31:12] <MaxLanar> jelly: yeah of course, I would have done that :)
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• 1577[13:42:34] <alnr> when I try to install postfix-pcre, apt says it will also install a newer version of postfix, which i dont want to do right now. how can i install postfix-pcre only (ie the version that matches the version of postfix currently installed)
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• 1580[13:45:08] <hid3> Hello everyone. I am running a script from cron which basically does 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade'. However, sometimes the dialog asks about wether to replace some configuration file or keep the original. At this moment the process hangs
• 1581[13:45:23] <hid3> My question: is there any way to specify 'keep the local version currently installed' answer for apt/dpkg?
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• 1591[13:50:30] <bezaban> hid3: I think you can do somethign along the lines of -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold", but perhaps you should look into unattended-upgrades :)
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• 1597[13:54:19] <hid3> well, I like my script too much. Not considering a migration. Currently only php5 package is making the trouble...
• 1598[13:54:27] <hid3> Thanks for the suggestion, will try that solution
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• 1703[14:47:35] <SporkWitch> any reason that "iptables -P INPUT DROP" would be ignored? O.o the default policy remains ACCEPT
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• 1707[14:48:06] <SporkWitch> (a nearly identical configuration is on another debian machine, and it let me change it no problem)
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• 1715[14:55:00] <jelly> SporkWitch: which debian release? physical or virtual? vps or full vm?
• 1716[14:55:34] <jelly> might be a container with restricted iptables functionality
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• 1729[14:59:26] <SporkWitch> jelly: nm, tmux bug, wasn't scrolling the buffer properly and since that was the only change, it happened to line up with the bad info still saying ACCEPT
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• 1750[15:07:35] <armin> hi. is there an easy way to list all available shares that an SMB server offers which i have access to from the command line?
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• 1759[15:09:38] <jelly> armin: smbclient -L server
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• 1765[15:11:13] <armin> jelly: tried that prior already, but using smbclient -L, i get a "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" with the same credentials i use from within an fstab mount via a credentials file (so i know these credentials are correct).
• 1766[15:11:21] <armin> jelly: any idea?
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• 1771[15:13:20] <kawocube> Hello
• 1772[15:13:26] <kawocube> Hello guys, I have few active ports (eth0,1,2) and I need to find out if the active port is on the PCI Ethernet card or the port on the On-board Ethernet. Any hints please ? I'm using Red Hat Linux and I do not have physical access to the server.
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• 1783[15:15:22] <seoner> j privacy
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• 1785[15:16:07] <g00se1> Looking for recommendations of HD testing tools that don't require a degree in storage tech to understand. Have booted the failing system into live Jessie. The disk is readable (currently mounted ro) but i suspect it's failing
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• 1792[15:19:35] <colo-work> g00se1, the only way to be sure is to use badblocks in r/w (aka destructive) mode
• 1793[15:19:47] <colo-work> on the plus side, it's easy to use and interpret ;)
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• 1795[15:20:42] <kawocube> Hello guys, I have few active ports (eth0,1,2) and I need to find out if the active port is on the PCI Ethernet card or the port on the On-board Ethernet. Any hints please ? I'm using Red Hat Linux and I do not have physical access to the server.
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• 1799[15:21:57] <g00se1> colo-work: was thinking about badblocks
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• 1803[15:23:05] <colo-work> kawocube, try `ethtool -i <youriface>`
• 1804[15:23:10] <colo-work> it should report the driver in use
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• 1834[15:35:18] <Rixon> So I got as far as copying the necessary parts into tmpfs and restarting all the services, fuser -vm and lsof both roport nothing holding onto /oldroot but I still can't umount it =( I saw a suggestion that /oldroot/boot might still be mounted, but it's not
• 1835[15:35:22] <Rixon> any ideas on what to investigate if fuser -vm and lsof both have nothing left to tell me?
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• 1837[15:36:16] <jelly> Rixon: what about your init, and did pivot_root work?
• 1838[15:36:18] <Rixon> [sorry, missed first paste]: Hi there, I've been following a guide to pivot_root so I can shrink my root fs+lvm and grow my var fs+lvm,
• 1839[15:36:36] <Rixon> jelly: pivot_root worked, i just can't unmount /oldroot
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• 1841[15:36:52] <Rixon> init has been restarted with telinit u
• 1842[15:37:07] <Rixon> lsof and fuser -vm both report nothing holding onto /oldroot
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• 1847[15:38:45] <Rixon> what else should I be investigating if lsof anf fuser have nothing?
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• 1852[15:40:17] <dionysus69> I have GPA gnu privacy assistant, even though in its description it says it integrates with nautilus, it doesn't, how can I make symmetrically encrypting file easy? without opening up a terminal and writing ugly gpg --symmetric encrypt line?
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• 1856[15:41:01] <dionysus69> would be great if nautilus had option to encrypt on right click
• 1857[15:41:13] <earendel> hi.. i have downloaded unpacked this package replaced-url
• 1858[15:41:14] <Brigo> Rixon, maybe /bin/ulockmgr_server, the man page says nothing buy it looks promissing to me
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• 1860[15:41:55] <Brigo> earendel, they are not in PATH, use the full directory name instead
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• 1862[15:42:31] <earendel> brigo: i tried full path as well..
• 1863[15:42:35] <earendel> same error.
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• 1871[15:43:08] <earendel> could it be wrong binaries for my system? how would i find out which binaries i need. all i know its a debian system
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• 1875[15:43:35] <Brigo> earendel, are they really executables? try file 'executable'
• 1876[15:44:04] <Brigo> earendel, are you in a 64 bit environment?
• 1877[15:44:15] <earendel> how do i find out?
• 1878[15:44:29] <earendel> i dont think so, but lets check
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• 1880[15:45:15] <Brigo> earendel, the package name suggest a 64 bits debian executable.
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• 1882[15:45:31] <earendel> oh.
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• 1884[15:46:16] <Rixon> Brigo: what is that supposed to do?
• 1885[15:46:40] <Brigo> uname -a
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• 1887[15:47:07] <Rixon> (/bin/ulockmgr_server)
• 1888[15:47:12] <Hello71> !manual
• 1889[15:47:12] <dpkg> If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see replaced-url
• 1890[15:47:14] <Hello71> uh
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• 1893[15:47:54] <sn0wmonster> how so i set up ZNC and a few python scripts to run again anytime they die, crash or the system is rebooted?
• 1894[15:47:57] <Brigo> ,v mongodb
• 1895[15:47:58] <earendel> brigo: outputs: Linux <domain> 2.6.32-042stab120.6 #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:59:03 MSK 2016 i686 GNU/Linux
• 1896[15:47:59] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5; stretch: 1:2.6.12-3; sid: 1:3.2.11-2
• 1897[15:48:00] <earendel> ah.
• 1898[15:48:21] <earendel> so i need one of the i686 packs right?
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• 1901[15:48:57] <earendel> replaced-url
• 1902[15:49:17] <Brigo> earendel, i think there is only 64 packages available in that web
• 1903[15:49:36] <Brigo> can't you use the jessie version? 2.4?
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• 1908[15:50:14] <earendel> i have no clue what you're saying. did uname -a tell you something? can u translate it for me? :)
• 1909[15:50:16] <g00se1> Just how accurate is smartmon at checking a hard drive, say on a long test?
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• 1913[15:51:09] <Brigo> earendel, i think your kernel is not a 64 bits kernel, but 32 bits one. i can't find 32 bits packages in mongodb web, and you need them.
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• 1916[15:51:41] <earendel> brigo: ok. where should i look for mongodb for my system?
• 1917[15:51:43] <Brigo> earendel, as well, you already have mongodb in debian, version 2.4, if that is good enought just install it with apt-get install mongodb
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• 1919[15:52:12] <Rixon> Brigo: I can't find any documentation for ulockmgr_server - hat is it supposed to do and how is it going to help my situation?
• 1920[15:52:14] <earendel> i had 2.4 and it worked fine. the problems started as i tried to update to 3...
• 1921[15:52:23] <earendel> why cant i have 3?
• 1922[15:52:33] <earendel> is 3 64bit only?
• 1923[15:52:40] <earendel> @brigo
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• 1927[15:53:08] <Brigo> earendel, no, but mongodb only grants 64bits pacakages, for 32 bits you have to compile it yourself.
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• 1932[15:54:12] <earendel> okay. i have no admin rights on that system. so what would i do to make it happen.. in short.
• 1933[15:54:17] <earendel> i learn quick.
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• 1939[15:56:15] <Brigo> earendel, download the sources (from that page) and compile it, try some tutorial about how to compile it, maybe mongodb webpage have some information too.
• 1940[15:56:26] <earendel> compiling eventually needs me eventually to install packages, so binaries worked better for me until today..
• 1941[15:56:29] <earendel> but ok.
• 1942[15:56:34] <earendel> thx so far.
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• 1959[16:00:26] <earendel> brigo: outputs: Linux <domain> 2.6.32-042stab120.6 #1 SMP Thu Oct 27 16:59:03 MSK 2016 i686 GNU/Linux <- why it tells me 'i686' .. are you sure i dont just need one of the i686 packages?
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• 1963[16:02:00] <Brigo> earendel, there is not such i686 pacakges there all are 64 bits, just try it, there is no harm :)
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• 1976[16:05:36] <no_gravity> Hello! Do you guys install powertop on a new laptop these days?
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• 2022[16:19:11] <no_gravity> Ok, another question... is /etc/rc.local the right place to call a script that shoud be run once when starting the laptop?
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• 2025[16:19:56] <abrotman> no_gravity: you mean instead of writing a real init script?
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• 2027[16:20:14] <abrotman> no_gravity: if so, yes. Writing an init script isn't hard though
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• 2030[16:21:10] <no_gravity> abrotman: I have no idea what an init script is. I just want to run "powertop --auto-tune" on startup.
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• 2037[16:26:24] <no_gravity> I installed debian on an system with 1024x600 pixel. Some system dialogs are unusable because the buttons exceed the screen. Any way to handle that?
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• 2044[16:27:06] <mizerian> xrandr
• 2045[16:27:14] <mizerian> or hit auto resize on monitor
• 2046[16:27:16] <mizerian> :)
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• 2048[16:27:22] <mizerian> ;)
• 2049[16:27:25] <mizerian> I use icewm
• 2050[16:27:27] <mizerian> no problems
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• 2053[16:27:42] <no_gravity> There is no monitor. It's a laptop.
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• 2055[16:28:15] <abrotman> no_gravity: what is the WM you're using?
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• 2059[16:29:39] <no_gravity> abrotman: Mate.
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• 2065[16:32:50] <no_gravity> Looks like moving the dialog with ALT+Mousedown+Mousemove works.
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• 2067[16:33:41] <no_gravity> But it's really annoying.
• 2068[16:33:47] <Akuli> no_gravity, how big are the dialogs?
• 2069[16:33:59] <Akuli> alt+drag is really nice though, you want to get used to it :)
• 2070[16:34:00] <no_gravity> Akuli: Bigger then 600 pixels obviously.
• 2071[16:34:11] <Akuli> even that sounds pretty big to me
• 2072[16:34:12] <no_gravity> Akuli: It seems to not work for all dialogs.
• 2073[16:34:18] <Akuli> thats weird
• 2074[16:34:21] <Akuli> which mate version?
• 2075[16:34:26] <dionysus69> how can I add a menu item that executes some script on selected file(s) in a nautilus context menu?
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• 2079[16:36:44] <no_gravity> Akuli: Ups, it's a Mint machine. Mint Mate 18.1
• 2080[16:36:55] <Akuli> and mate version is...?
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• 2082[16:37:06] <no_gravity> Akuli: replaced-url
• 2083[16:37:15] <Akuli> on this 1.8.something there's an about dialog in the system menu
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• 2087[16:37:55] <Akuli> amazing, it's two years since i installed my first linux distro
• 2088[16:37:58] <Akuli> time goes fast
• 2089[16:38:09] <abrotman> no_gravity: you do know that Mint has its own spuport channel, correct?
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• 2091[16:38:16] <no_gravity> 14 years since I installed Debian for the first time.
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• 2094[16:38:24] <abrotman> no_gravity: IOW, Mint isn't supported here
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• 2102[16:39:44] <no_gravity> abrotman: yeah yeah i know. just noticed its a mint machine now.
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• 2104[16:39:53] <no_gravity> Most of my machines and the machines of my friends are debian.
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• 2107[16:41:19] <no_gravity> Akuli: Mate 1.14.1
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• 2109[16:41:28] <no_gravity> Thinking about it, this might be a Mate question...
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• 2111[16:41:44] <Akuli> there's #mate, but not many people helping there
• 2112[16:42:08] <no_gravity> Akuli: I'm trying...
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• 2115[16:42:54] <Akuli> mint's channels have usually quite a few people helping, but a ton of people with problems
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• 2117[16:43:33] <Akuli> it's amazing how much discussion there is considering that there are only a few hundred people there
• 2118[16:43:50] <no_gravity> There should be rating system on IRC. Where you get points for answering questions.
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• 2122[16:44:40] <abrotman> There is/was .. not sure it still exists
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• 2124[16:45:15] <Akuli> i would hate it
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• 2126[16:45:40] <Akuli> i don't have time to come to irc often, and i would always be way behind people who have been here 24/7 for years
• 2127[16:45:56] <Akuli> really encouraging for new helpers, right? :)
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• 2131[16:47:11] <han-solo> indeed
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• 2135[16:48:39] <abrotman> dpkg: karma abrotman
• 2136[16:48:40] <dpkg> abrotman has karma of 54
• 2137[16:48:44] <abrotman> not quite the same :)
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• 2140[16:49:41] <han-solo> dpkg: karma jelly
• 2141[16:49:41] <dpkg> jelly has karma of 8
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• 2143[16:49:50] <han-solo> dpkg: karma han-solo
• 2144[16:49:50] <dpkg> han-solo has neutral karma
• 2145[16:49:55] <han-solo> :}
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• 2152[16:52:23] <teraflops> han-solo: you're dead dude your son killed you
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• 2157[16:53:37] <han-solo> well, my son would have been my enemy in the past life :}
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• 2170[17:01:40] <no_gravity> Should an SSD system partition be mounted with noatime these days?
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• 2178[17:02:58] <mtn> no_gravity: see if you get an answer on the mint channel first ;)
• 2179[17:03:02] <FinalX> if you need atime, enable it, if you don't think you do, leave it off. less writes is also extra performance (may or may not be noticeable in some cases)
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• 2181[17:03:23] <FinalX> nowadays I wouldn't turn it off just because it's ssd.
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• 2183[17:03:38] <no_gravity> FinalX: I'm not sure if Linux might somehow depend on it.
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• 2185[17:03:51] <FinalX> nah, it doesn't
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• 2190[17:04:12] <FinalX> ctime/mtime are used way more often in some scripts. atime/relatime not as much
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• 2192[17:04:30] <FinalX> system scripts often simply don't care about them at all :)
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• 2194[17:04:50] <no_gravity> FinalX: So even the system partition should have no atime? I wonder why this isn't the default. Writing on every read seems a strange habit.
• 2195[17:04:56] <FinalX> if you, however, want to see which files were accessed in the last X <time>, then it'd be useful to keep on
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• 2198[17:05:21] <FinalX> there's no should or shouldn't, imo, only "wanted" or "don't care"
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• 2202[17:05:57] <FinalX> if you don't care about atime, you can leave it as it is (on or off), if you care for performance and are worried about extra degradation on ssd's, turn it off
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• 2205[17:07:04] <jamesl> what programs use access time? Is it important to the OS?
• 2206[17:07:09] * jamesl prefers relatime
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• 2211[17:07:52] <jamesl> I enabled it for my storage drive
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• 2214[17:08:01] <jamesl> not for my OS drive, that uses atime
• 2215[17:08:02] <FinalX> no programs really do unless specifically asked to. rootkit scanners might, "find" has an option for it, perhaps some custom application you use uses it. but yes, relatime is often good enough
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• 2219[17:08:38] <likcoras> Hello! I'm trying to install the debian installer iso on a usb, but would I be able to partition & use the rest of the storage capacity if I used dd, or would I need to do some other procedure?
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• 2222[17:09:03] <han-solo> i usually hear, people using find with -mtime, in custom scripts
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• 2228[17:10:04] <FinalX> han-solo: yeah but they do two different things, last accessed is also last read
• 2229[17:10:08] <FinalX> not just modify
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• 2236[17:11:20] <pingouin> hello
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• 2239[17:11:32] <han-solo> yeah
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• 2242[17:12:23] <pingouin> how can i get a .config file "debian options style" from a kernel i do not run ? for instance how to get the «testing» kernel .config file ?
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• 2246[17:14:18] <teraflops> pingouin: done load the package by hand and ar it
• 2247[17:14:26] <teraflops> download*
• 2248[17:14:29] <temps> boys, for a complete new guy, which is the easies way to install debian on my laptop? Like i've seen on the official webpage, theres quite a few options, so which one would be the easiest?
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• 2252[17:15:20] <pingouin> teraflops: i tried, looking in the ftp.debian.xx.xx from my source list, /pool/ directory but no success, only have 5kb files....
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• 2255[17:15:44] <pingouin> teraflops: do you know where are the "real" files on a mirror ?
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• 2257[17:16:17] <mtn> temps: easiest is to use the entire hard drive. the installer will do everthing for you
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• 2259[17:16:38] <teraflops> pingouin: unless you're downloading a metapackage
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• 2261[17:17:51] <mtn> teraflops: I recommend using the netinstall with firmware: replaced-url
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• 2263[17:18:01] <mtn> teraflops: sorry.
• 2264[17:18:12] <mtn> temps: I recommend using the netinstall with firmware: replaced-url
• 2265[17:18:18] <teraflops> pingouin: replaced-url
• 2266[17:18:35] <teraflops> pingouin: just an example
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• 2268[17:19:21] <pingouin> teraflops: i'm lost in : replaced-url
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• 2272[17:19:35] <pingouin> teraflops: and others directory
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• 2275[17:19:51] <pingouin> teraflops: i check your url many thanks for the lead
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• 2279[17:20:02] <teraflops> pingouin: why don't you download it from the website I pasted above?
• 2280[17:20:09] <teraflops> np
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• 2282[17:20:28] <teraflops> pingouin: note that lknux-image is just a metapackage
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• 2284[17:20:32] <pingouin> teraflops: i'll do, i just past my url to show my mistake, to understand what i did wrong
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• 2287[17:20:55] <teraflops> pingouin: np
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• 2297[17:23:31] <pingouin> teraflops: thank you
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• 2299[17:25:01] <pingouin> why on earth installing okular depends on having vlc-xx suite software ?! even with the -R option
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• 2306[17:26:13] <pingouin> sometimes dependancies are beyond my understanding....
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• 2310[17:27:06] <teraflops> ugh if you install kde why are you concerned about deps?
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• 2312[17:27:43] <pingouin> i dont run kde i try to keep my desktop simple.... i3wm
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• 2316[17:28:01] <pingouin> but need some image viewer / pdf viewer
• 2317[17:28:04] <teraflops> yeah then don't use okular
• 2318[17:28:06] <teraflops> hehe
• 2319[17:28:14] <pingouin> xpdf :/
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• 2321[17:28:27] <SynrGy> i dunno. maybe via phonon?
• 2322[17:28:35] <teraflops> idk zathura is fine mupdf too
• 2323[17:28:38] <SynrGy> aptitude why
• 2324[17:28:41] <teraflops> there are many
• 2325[17:28:50] <pingouin> some pdf viewer display badly some pdf
• 2326[17:29:00] <pingouin> i like this aptitude why :)
• 2327[17:29:21] <SynrGy> also it has a pattern option so you can explore relationship between two packages
• 2328[17:29:32] <pingouin> i'll check those : phonon / zathura
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• 2337[17:32:47] <SynrGy> pingouin: aptitude why okular vlc-data
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• 2342[17:33:40] <pingouin> SynrGy: ok thank you
• 2343[17:33:55] <SynrGy> np
• 2344[17:34:12] <SynrGy> and, yes, it's exactly the relationship i thought, via phonon
• 2345[17:34:27] <SynrGy> you could specify a different phonon backend if you like
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• 2347[17:34:52] <likcoras> How come that /etc/localtime is just a file and not a symlink after installation? localtime(5) says that "It should be an absolute or relative symbolic link pointing to /usr/share/zoneinfo/" and that "this file may not be a normal file or hardlink".
• 2348[17:35:10] <pingouin> yeah :/ too much kde package, that gonna mix up my install....
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• 2352[17:35:57] <SynrGy> there's phonon-backend-null, hmm
• 2353[17:35:59] <pingouin> mupdf looks great btw
• 2354[17:36:09] <jamesl> how often should I schedule cron to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
• 2355[17:36:18] <jamesl> I'm thinking once per month
• 2356[17:36:59] <SynrGy> i like evince-gtk
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• 2358[17:37:23] <SynrGy> i'm thinking don't do unattended upgrades, but that's just me
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• 2361[17:37:43] <jefe_> guys, newbie question, do you have to have linux installed to install debian?
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• 2365[17:38:20] <jelly> jefe_: no
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• 2367[17:38:29] <jamesl> SynrGy: why no unattended upgrades?
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• 2369[17:38:50] <jamesl> jefe_: debian is a Linux distribution. IT installs Linux for you
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• 2371[17:39:08] <pingouin> jelly: no, build a usb key and boot on it, or use a «live distro» to mess with it
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• 2373[17:39:24] <jefe_> jamesl: i see. Installing it is overwhelming for new peeps lol
• 2374[17:39:29] <SynrGy> jamesl: personal preference. control over scenarios unresolvable unattended. however, i guess with stable that doesn't happen as often.
• 2375[17:39:35] <jamesl> true
• 2376[17:39:38] <user_> hello, I am using live usb of bunsenlab linux now. How can I change the time and date settings?
• 2377[17:39:49] <user_> using the GUI
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• 2379[17:40:02] <SynrGy> jamesl: how long do you want to go without patches for security issues, i guess?
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• 2382[17:40:20] <SynrGy> jamesl: i'd subscribe to security updates and do them as soon as i see one that's relevant to my install
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• 2384[17:40:27] <jamesl> okay
• 2385[17:40:31] <user_> can anybody help me out.
• 2386[17:40:58] <SynrGy> jamesl: also, i like to have control over stuff in case it breaks on an upgrade ...
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• 2390[17:41:29] <jamesl> is the 3.16 kernel that Debian stable ships with dirty-cow proof? IIRC it's the latest stable kernel
• 2391[17:41:30] <SynrGy> i'd rather that happen when i've consciously scheduled time to deal with it in person rather than automated when i can't deal with it. again, probably more of a concern for testing/unstable than stable upgrades.
• 2392[17:41:49] <jamesl> I installed a 4.7 kernel from backports
• 2393[17:41:54] <user_> hello, am I visible here?
• 2394[17:41:55] <SynrGy> jamesl: huh? no ...
• 2395[17:41:58] <SynrGy> ,kernels
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• 2397[17:41:59] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
• 2398[17:42:03] <jamesl> oh
• 2399[17:42:12] * jamesl has an old Debian CD then
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• 2401[17:42:39] <jamesl> it's debian 8.4, but a netinst CD, so I assumed it would automatically install the latest kernel
• 2402[17:42:45] <pingouin> user_: no we see you. No answers means : nobody knows.
• 2403[17:42:46] <SynrGy> actually, it's not that old
• 2404[17:42:58] <SynrGy> jamesl: yes, you are correct. my memory was faulty
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• 2408[17:43:18] <jamesl> no idea why it installed 3.16 then
• 2409[17:43:22] <n4dir> there really should be a wiki page: The most common myths about the netinstall.iso
• 2410[17:43:32] <SynrGy> the above shows 3.16.x as current for jessie and 4.7 in backports
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• 2412[17:43:36] <user_> ok.
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• 2414[17:43:43] <pingouin> user_: i have no idea what is busenlab....
• 2415[17:43:47] <jamesl> n4dir: what are the common myths?
• 2416[17:44:01] <n4dir> pretty much anything you read here, for example
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• 2418[17:44:39] <jamesl> they make more sense than downloading the full amd64 CD-1, and having to download some other packages anyway. May as well download 90% of the distribution
• 2419[17:44:42] <user_> pingouin, it is a debian jesse based linux distro. As far as I know, it's a replacement of crunchbang linux.
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• 2421[17:45:14] <SynrGy> !based on debian
• 2422[17:45:15] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2423[17:45:16] <pingouin> user_: you have a desktop ? kind «mac ox / windows » like ?
• 2424[17:45:17] <n4dir> no need to explain to me the netinst.iso
• 2425[17:45:26] <user_> I am new to linux. Just downloaded the image of that distro and created a live usb.
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• 2428[17:45:47] <SynrGy> user_: you're in the wrong place for support, then
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• 2430[17:45:57] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I'm using Stretch, and having a very strange issue with acpi_fakekey.
• 2431[17:45:59] * jamesl loves netinst iso
• 2432[17:46:00] <SynrGy> user_: we support debian here. see the dpkg factoid above.
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• 2434[17:46:02] <user_> I am using bunsenlabslinux live usb now.
• 2435[17:46:09] <n4dir> though what you just said is pretty much the only thing the netinst does. That, and not more
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• 2437[17:46:26] <user_> I clicked the link on it's support page and it brought me here.
• 2438[17:46:26] <jamesl> user_: does your own distro have a support channel/mailing list
• 2439[17:46:30] <jamesl> oh
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• 2443[17:46:43] <jamesl> so there's no channel for your distro?
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• 2445[17:46:45] <Circuitsoft> When I run "sudo acpi_fakekey 176", xev shows keycode 184. 174 becomes 182, but 166 does not register. Where is my disconnect?
• 2446[17:46:49] <SynrGy> user_: /join #bunsenlabs
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• 2448[17:46:59] <pingouin> user_: you should play with menu explore the distro should not be hard
• 2449[17:47:10] <SynrGy> user_: and ask them to fix their support page link here. we don't support bunsenlabs
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• 2451[17:47:18] <jamesl> you can always do it with the CLI if you can't
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• 2454[17:47:49] <user_> I have used other distros and was able to locate the settings somehow. But, here am not able to.
• 2455[17:48:08] <user_> replaced-url
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• 2461[17:48:53] <jamesl> try replaced-url
• 2462[17:48:56] <user_> It is a continuation of Crunchbang Linux.
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• 2466[17:49:18] <SynrGy> user_: you've been redirected to the right places to get help. please check them out. thanks
• 2467[17:49:49] <user_> #bunsenlabs@freenode I clicked this link and it redirected me to this place.
• 2468[17:50:16] <SynrGy> i can't imagine why. i typed /join #bunsenlabs and it worked
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• 2470[17:51:03] <user_> ok. It worked for me too, now.
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• 2473[17:51:46] <SynrGy> good luck
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• 2475[17:52:02] <jefe_> if i download the small installation image, so the 64bit netinst, do i get all the basic stuff with that installation?
• 2476[17:52:36] <user_> But, it looks like nobody is online there/
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• 2479[17:52:44] <pingouin> jefe_: yes it will download what is necessary
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• 2483[17:53:18] <jefe_> pingouin_: excellent, so i dont need something from this link: replaced-url
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• 2488[17:55:48] <TomTomTosch> the standard debian installer images do not have non-free firmware included. depends on your hardware if you need that.
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• 2546[18:18:05] <pingouin> there is an option in the installer i can't find explaination about : when you are in the partitionning section you can choose for filesystem : default / news / largefile / and i dont remember the last one...it's about i node alignement
• 2547[18:18:34] <pingouin> anyone can lead me to some good reading about ? Which one would be the best for and SSD / EXT4 ?
• 2548[18:19:08] <brainware> i think EXT4
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• 2550[18:20:15] <pingouin> yeah for the filesytem but the default / news / largefile / ... option...about inode i think...
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• 2557[18:23:00] <DoberMann> pingouin: not only see /etc/mke2fs.conf about defined options for each value
• 2558[18:23:19] <DoberMann> (mainly indeed)
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• 2562[18:24:33] <pingouin> DoberMann: thanks for the tips
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• 2568[18:25:50] <DoberMann> pingouin: if you don't know the default value will be fine
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• 2570[18:26:18] <mizerian> xfs seems best
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• 2574[18:28:15] <pingouin> it's not the filesystem i'm trying to understand here, mizerian , xfs / ext4... it's ok i understand , it's another option during the install, i dont remember the name, it's offer : default / news / largefile /... options, and it's about the inode
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• 2585[18:32:32] <mizerian> atime
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• 2587[18:32:33] <pingouin> teraflops: thank to you i now have a beautiful config-4.8.0-2-amd64 from debian to work with :)
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• 2591[18:32:52] <mizerian> man mount
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• 2593[18:33:09] <mizerian> pingouin: chrome not wor on testgin very well
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• 2596[18:34:01] <teraflops> pingouin: good ;)
• 2597[18:34:06] <JyZyXEL> denied resource overstep by requesting 2148028416 for RLIMIT_DATA against limit 2147483647 for /usr/lib/chromium/chromium[chromium:28640] uid/euid:1000/1000 gid/egid:1000/1000, parent /usr/lib/chromium/chromium[chromium:28493] uid/euid:1000/1000 gid/egid:1000/1000
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• 2600[18:34:14] <JyZyXEL> there's that chromium memory bug we were talking about
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• 2674[19:02:37] <Maskara> im not really into desktop bling but this one applet i saw is really useful but i dont know what its called....basically its just text on the desktop prolly transparent bACKground ..and it just lists daily info...time, date, basic weather temp..etc...does anyone know what im rambling about?
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• 2678[19:03:04] <Anselmo> could be conky
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• 2680[19:03:39] <Maskara> i tried conky awhile back ..but it was just a quick flash of info ....not static
• 2681[19:03:54] <Anselmo> its highly configurable
• 2682[19:04:11] <Maskara> hmmm maybe i didnt give it enough attention
• 2683[19:04:29] <Anselmo> well, could be something else, too of course
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• 2685[19:04:54] <Anselmo> conky is the only thing like that that I've really used. . . and I've not used it much
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• 2688[19:05:58] <Maskara> i generally try to stick whith the old repos so its prolly one of the new stuff that could destabilize me
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• 2691[19:06:23] <Maskara> although it seems basic
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• 2742[19:25:59] <unicron> i'm trying to get a cell modem to be available in initramfs. i loaded all the modules to initramfs that get loaded when it works in the post-boot environment. the usbserial module didn't automatically make /dev/ttyUSB0, so i made it using mknod. wvdial still complains: "Cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such device or address" any tips?
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• 2809[19:55:25] <pingouin> any advice for a light/fast not too much dependancies images viewer (like gqview that is no more in debian) ?
• 2810[19:55:36] <ksk> pingouin: feh
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• 2814[19:58:00] <pingouin> ksk: looks good, thank you
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• 2869[20:13:07] <n4dir> sorry: geeqie
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• 2891[20:13:55] <jamesl> cd big || cd ~
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• 2917[20:25:59] <Chloe> jamesl: go big or go home?
• 2918[20:26:04] <jamesl> yes
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• 2932[20:33:50] <jamesl> nothing like realising you used > instead of >> in your logging script so your log only has 1 entry
• 2933[20:34:36] <phogg> yep, I've been there
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• 2985[20:55:59] <judd> No package named 'imv' was found in amd64.
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• 2989[20:58:42] <jhutchins> Anybody know of a doc on cross-grading jessie from 32 - 64? Everything I'm finding refers to wheezy.
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• 2999[21:05:28] <awal1> jhutchins: I don't think this replaced-url
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• 3006[21:06:57] <jhutchins> awal1: Updated last week too, which is a good sign.
• 3007[21:07:38] <greycat> I've seen a great amount of interest in "crossgrade" hackery in the last month, here.
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• 3010[21:08:01] <jhutchins> Well, Google isn't maintaining 32b stuff any more, and flash might not be.
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• 3013[21:08:48] <greycat> Usually the way it goes for me is the 32-bit machine runs until it physically dies, and then the replacement machine is installed as 64-bit.
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• 3015[21:09:31] <greycat> Of course, in a lot of these cases the 32-bit machine was *actually* 32 bits, not capable of running amd64 in the first place....
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• 3018[21:12:54] <jhutchins> I went to 64b hardware when the 64b environment was still pretty sketchy.
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• 3021[21:15:00] <jhutchins> I think I still have 1 64b machine. Probably running lenny.
• 3022[21:15:09] <jhutchins> er, one 32b machine.
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• 3024[21:15:21] <jhutchins> P III
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• 3026[21:15:41] <jhutchins> Hm. Maybe I should upgrade that as a christmas present.
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• 3056[21:28:04] <jhutchins> So I guess everybody's taking a break from computers for the holidays. That or you're all busy with facebook.
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• 3080[21:38:25] <baraba> is anyone experiencing chromium problems on testing?
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• 3085[21:40:37] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3086[21:40:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3088[21:41:07] <jhutchins> baraba: Which version of chromium?
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• 3091[21:42:08] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
• 3092[21:42:09] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2
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• 3099[21:43:26] <jhutchins> Ok, so testing would still be 53, which has the SSL issues and the security bugs.
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• 3109[21:46:16] <freqnasty> can someone help me? im new and im getting this error when i try to build musicbrainz picard: can smoeone help me? im getting this eror when i try to build musicbrainz picard: picard/util/astrcmp.c:43:20: fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory
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• 3114[21:46:57] <greycat> Try installing libpython-dev?
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• 3118[21:47:30] <freqnasty> ty
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• 3120[21:47:39] <oty> hey. Could someone explain what is the purpose of the package xfce4-indicator-plugin without "indicator-application" ? It's not sarcastic or anything, i just don't have a clue ^^'
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• 3123[21:48:26] <oty> ("indicator-application" was dropped at wheezy time, it seems. Or the package changed name ?)
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• 3125[21:48:39] <at0m> oty: apt show xfce4-indicator-plugin has some more explanation
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• 3127[21:48:45] <at0m> ,v xfce4-indicator-plugin
• 3128[21:48:46] <judd> Package: xfce4-indicator-plugin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.0-1+b2; jessie: 1.0.0-1; sid: 1.0.0-1+b1; stretch: 1.0.0-1+b1
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• 3130[21:49:29] <baraba> jhutchins, 53.0.2785.143
• 3131[21:50:06] <oty> at0m, or not :p
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• 3133[21:50:21] <jhutchins> baraba: Are you having problems with certificate transparency warnings and/or CSS errors?
• 3134[21:50:26] <baraba> yes
• 3135[21:50:31] <baraba> exactly
• 3136[21:50:33] <baraba> thank you
• 3137[21:50:43] <baraba> can give me some directions?
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• 3139[21:50:47] <baraba> you
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• 3142[21:50:51] <jhutchins> baraba: You'll need to either wait for 55 to make it to testing or backport it from sid.
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• 3146[21:51:35] <jhutchins> baraba: Meanwhile there are unspecified security issues with 53, so you should probably not use it until the update.
• 3147[21:51:37] <baraba> can you point me to some but tracking threads where this is discussed?
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• 3149[21:51:49] <baraba> bug*
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• 3152[21:53:20] <baraba> greycat, #debian-next seems to be invite only
• 3153[21:53:41] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3154[21:53:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3156[21:54:16] <jhutchins> baraba: Bug#844631
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• 3161[21:55:15] <baraba> thx jhutchins
• 3162[21:55:26] <baraba> thx greycat
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• 3173[21:59:54] <jhutchins> I saw one report of somebody having PulseAudio problems with 55.
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• 3195[22:06:57] <jpablo> anynone knows of an actual fast debian server in the USA? One that can do upwards of 50Mbps. I ran netselect-apt and it selected a slow server in Canada ..
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• 3198[22:07:20] <greycat> !mirrors
• 3199[22:07:20] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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• 3201[22:07:37] <jpablo> I'm getting aprox 500kB/s out of that. hopefully could get something in the range of 5MB/s
• 3202[22:07:47] <greycat> Fucking spoiled entitled assholes.
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• 3204[22:08:13] <PryMar56> jpablo, mirrors.us.kernel.org/debian
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• 3207[22:08:49] <jpablo> PryMar56: thanks, let me check that one out
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• 3216[22:13:02] <mizerian> debian is nice and stable
• 3217[22:13:04] <mizerian> I like it
• 3218[22:13:08] <mizerian> I love being bored
• 3219[22:13:11] <minidrone> mee too
• 3220[22:13:14] <mizerian> no hairy tek problems
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• 3222[22:13:24] <mizerian> except having to sort out all thsi stuff I torrented
• 3223[22:13:25] <minidrone> i love debian
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• 3225[22:13:39] <minidrone> i use debian for webserver
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• 3227[22:13:45] <minidrone> and mailserver
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• 3239[22:20:58] <awal1> interfaces file is not read by NM and wicd, eh?
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• 3247[22:23:51] <jhutchins> awal1: Last I checked if an interface was configured there it was not managed by NM, not sure about wicd.
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• 3249[22:24:22] <at0m> afaik wicd overrides interfaces file
• 3250[22:25:07] <at0m> indeed it does
• 3251[22:25:12] <awal1> ok
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• 3253[22:25:39] <awal1> usually interfaces file, by default, only contains this 2 lines:
• 3254[22:25:48] <awal1> auto lo iface lo inet loopback
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• 3257[22:26:13] <awal1> but now i see 2 other lines:
• 3258[22:26:21] <awal1> allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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• 3260[22:26:47] <awal1> so just wondering who putted them there; if nm or wicd or qemu-kvm
• 3261[22:27:56] <jhutchins> It would be unusal to have multiple static network configs.
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• 3269[22:30:05] <awal1> i'm suspecting nm & qemu-kvm bcuz in wicd config I see "virbr0" instead of "eth0" in default wired interface
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• 3273[22:30:53] <awal1> I was using wicd then switched to nm and again switched to wicd
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• 3275[22:31:18] <awal1> and now I have that virbr0, qemu stuff, I guess
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• 3278[22:31:40] <awal1> I confess i'm clueless about networking/interfaces
• 3279[22:31:44] <awal1> :P
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• 3298[22:40:50] <awal1> virtualbox and vbox guest (debian jessie) connects fine to internet; qemu-kvm won't connect after purging wicd, installing nm, again purging nm and reinstalling wicd
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• 3300[22:41:52] <awal1> qemu-kvm debian guest wont connect; and qemu-kvm not able to configure network for new debian install
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• 3303[22:42:10] <teraflops> awal1: if youre using a bridge it's transparent to the guest
• 3304[22:42:44] <awal1> right now I'm installing jessie in vbox and all fine
• 3305[22:43:08] <teraflops> awal1: so consider it as a real machine regarding network configuration, what it looks to me is that your bridge is borked
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• 3308[22:43:43] <awal1> teraflops: excuses , yesterday I was confused with another machine, I'm talking about the machine with no bridge, using NAT
• 3309[22:44:19] <teraflops> qemu-kvm does not do nat for you
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• 3313[22:44:50] <awal1> I'm not familiar with qemu-kvm, no no really much clue
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• 3315[22:45:13] <teraflops> awal1: same as doing nat for a machine on your lan
• 3316[22:45:54] <teraflops> if you have a gui e.g virt-manager there is a network menu
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• 3318[22:46:53] <awal1> teraflops: in virt-manager I see virbr0 in "connexion details" "virtual networks"
• 3319[22:47:17] <teraflops> awal1: but are you using nat or not?
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• 3323[22:48:30] <awal1> teraflops: in guest settings I see "virtual interfaces "NAT" - virtios, so yes
• 3324[22:48:35] <awal1> virtio
• 3325[22:48:57] <teraflops> you can use tap or macvtap too with qemu-kvm
• 3326[22:49:36] <awal1> "virtual interface 'default': NAT ^
• 3327[22:49:42] <teraflops> awal1: bridge simplifies things
• 3328[22:49:54] <awal1> tried all options, still no connection
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• 3330[22:50:31] <awal1> teraflops: I may set bridge in this machine too yeah.
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• 3332[22:50:55] <awal1> I have this issue as I said after installing nm and purging it
• 3333[22:51:32] <teraflops> awal1: so why dont you try to enable routing and a nat iptables rule
• 3334[22:51:41] <teraflops> or just use a brige
• 3335[22:51:46] <awal1> vbox is installing jessie (netinst cd) just fine
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• 3340[22:53:00] <awal1> teraflops: just no having so much free time for set up things. but I would like to find out why this issue after nm install/purge
• 3341[22:53:25] <awal1> how to reset all qemu-kvm to defaults without reinstalling pkgs?
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• 3343[22:53:48] <awal1> nothing relevant in /home
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• 3345[22:54:10] <teraflops> it looks to me that yo have to set it up iptables and enable routing on the host
• 3346[22:54:17] <teraflops> you*
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• 3351[22:55:23] <awal1> I'll learn about it; as I said I have a basic idea about all that. but why no problems with vbox and yes with qemu-kvm?
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• 3353[22:55:56] <teraflops> vbox does its own way im not aware of
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• 3365[23:00:35] <Nightray> Hi, guys! I am new to debian and I am trying to play around with it and customize it to my liking. I have Gnome Shell version 3.14.4 and I am trying to apply a gnome shell theme to it, but whenever I do so it crashes on me and disables all the extensions
• 3366[23:00:41] <Nightray> any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
• 3367[23:01:33] <schnabeltasse> what is an extension?
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• 3369[23:02:06] <teraflops> Nightray: from where did you take the theme? does it have a readme or something like that?
• 3370[23:02:18] <schnabeltasse> what is a gnome shell theme? where do you procure it?
• 3371[23:02:25] <mizerian> iceWM
• 3372[23:02:28] <mizerian> no cry
• 3373[23:02:30] <mizerian> L:)
• 3374[23:02:37] <mizerian> gods i love myself
• 3375[23:02:51] <awal1> Also,I don't understand why if qemu-qvm guest is running, even if not able to connect to internet, in wicd I see wired enabled and defaulted; turning off qemu-kvm guest default is set again to wifi (wlan0)
• 3376[23:02:58] <Nightray> this one for example: replaced-url
• 3377[23:03:02] <n4dir> lspci give bcm 4318, i got that right: if it isn't listed here replaced-url
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• 3379[23:04:10] <teraflops> n4dir: did you read the installation instructions?
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• 3381[23:04:22] <schnabeltasse> i would install gnome-themes via synaptics
• 3382[23:04:28] <teraflops> n4dir: oops sorry I meant n4dir
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• 3384[23:04:30] <teraflops> oag
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• 3386[23:04:31] <awal1> I guess, I'll have to learn a lot about qemu & kvm or give-up :P
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• 3388[23:04:35] <teraflops> n4dir: oops sorry I meant Nightray
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• 3390[23:04:38] <teraflops> lolsorry
• 3391[23:04:51] <n4dir> :-)
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• 3394[23:05:10] <schnabeltasse> and gnome-themes-extras
• 3395[23:05:10] <teraflops> awal1: yeah read a bit, if you want nat just set it up.
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• 3397[23:06:02] <teraflops> Nightray: All installation instructions are available at […] Please read them carefully
• 3398[23:06:05] <awal1> teraflops: will do, yeah. Usually I don't g-up :P
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• 3403[23:07:50] <schnabeltasse> can a firewall protect me from being attacked by malicious irc bots?
• 3404[23:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1680
• 3405[23:08:04] <schnabeltasse> or is a firewall superfluous
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• 3407[23:08:22] <schnabeltasse> do you run firewalls on desktops?
• 3408[23:08:40] <Anselmo> well, it can be usefull
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• 3410[23:08:57] <schnabeltasse> or can not be, the same?
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• 3412[23:09:20] <Anselmo> well, it can protect you from some things,
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• 3415[23:10:03] <Anselmo> and usually having one is not a problem, but there are probably greater concerns about just, general good management of your computer
• 3416[23:10:04] <schnabeltasse> that sounds like an attractive feature?
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• 3419[23:10:12] <Maskara> does anyone here have corebird installed ? and if so wat repos do i need to get it ? almost all guides are for ubuntu ppas
• 3420[23:10:15] <schnabeltasse> i understand that
• 3421[23:10:27] <Anselmo> (speaking as just a lay person who knows rather little about the details of computer security)
• 3422[23:10:48] <schnabeltasse> same here.
• 3423[23:11:24] <Anselmo> so . . .I don't think it can hurt, and having a one is not going to impose much burden on your computer
• 3424[23:11:41] <schnabeltasse> well if i run up-to-date system, security updates, and keep services and ports closed, i wonder if i should even bother learning iptables, fwbuilder rules,etc.
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• 3426[23:12:34] <schnabeltasse> if i set it up amateurishly, i maybe shouldn't bother to begin
• 3427[23:12:41] <Anselmo> hmm
• 3428[23:12:54] <n4dir> as far i can tell: using a firewall makes most sense when one has services running which might be attack points.
• 3429[23:13:08] <n4dir> to put it different: i don't bother with it
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• 3431[23:13:34] <schnabeltasse> yes! if i run ssh, ftp, webserver, then i want to block some folks out..
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• 3434[23:13:50] <n4dir> yup, like that is my thinking
• 3435[23:14:06] <Anselmo> would a router firewall work for all that, though?
• 3436[23:14:24] <n4dir> i think "netstat -tulpen" (your name sounds german, tulpen is easy to remember, huh) might give a useful list.
• 3437[23:14:49] <n4dir> Anselmo: probably a good point (i am shooting in the dark too here)
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• 3440[23:16:00] <schnabeltasse> i guess some dsl routers will forward many/all requests to the client, whereas others allow only requestet contacts, thus protecting the client
• 3441[23:16:14] <schnabeltasse> question of fetaures of the router, and config
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• 3445[23:16:32] <Anselmo> well, on my router (from netlink) I have specific ports forwarded, and all others blocked to the outside
• 3446[23:16:38] <SuperTramp83> schnabeltasse: I'd first of all try to secure the browser.
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• 3448[23:16:43] <Anselmo> so I have a few services
• 3449[23:16:51] <SuperTramp83> If you worry about sec much..
• 3450[23:17:04] <n4dir> schnabeltasse: if i recall correct, at wiki.debian.org iptables page is a most basic example for a iptables firewall
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• 3452[23:17:49] <teraflops> a firewall at a workstation makes sense e.g if you want to prevent having open ports accidentally when installing things or doing tests, but most of the time youre behind a router that does nat so i dont see the point
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• 3456[23:18:28] <schnabeltasse> SuperTramp83: I have done this! i use a hostfile to block bogus domains like google, facebook. i use uMatrix, RandomAgentSpoofer, and i forbid any phishing and certificate "security Features" plus any telemetry phoning home
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• 3458[23:19:06] <schnabeltasse> n4dir: thanks, i will search for the most easy and effective firewall combo for debian
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• 3460[23:19:45] <schnabeltasse> i did a portscan of serviceports from online, and i seem to appear stealth (no open ports)
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• 3464[23:20:17] <SuperTramp83> schnabeltasse: apparmor, firejail. Can give some peace of mind :)
• 3465[23:20:43] <SuperTramp83> replaced-url
• 3466[23:21:50] <schnabeltasse> well apparmor is internal protection. the idea is good. but i don't enjoy learning the system and rule sets
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• 3468[23:22:34] <teraflops> schnabeltasse: chromium/chrome/even IE do what firejail does but out of the box
• 3469[23:22:43] <schnabeltasse> also the sandbox for browser i donb't think i really need
• 3470[23:22:49] <SuperTramp83> schnabeltasse: true, apparmor needs time and effort. On the other side firejail is piece of cake and yet powerful AFAIK. It's in the repo btw
• 3471[23:22:59] <teraflops> well if you have one it's not bad hehe
• 3472[23:23:05] <schnabeltasse> yes,
• 3473[23:23:50] <teraflops> ublock + umatrix is a great idea
• 3474[23:23:55] <schnabeltasse> what i fear, is network traffic coming in to my host, and attacking weaknesses. of course the browser is a big entering point with its many interfaces to whatever
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• 3479[23:24:38] <schnabeltasse> umatrix is an eye opener. everybody should use it, to understand cross domain actrivity of the GOOGLE, etc
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• 3481[23:24:41] <SuperTramp83> If I had to make my amateurish wild guess I'd say the browser is the weakest point.
• 3482[23:24:56] <schnabeltasse> i guess so!
• 3483[23:25:06] <schnabeltasse> i will check those out
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• 3488[23:26:56] <teraflops> schnabeltasse: nah the browser is the main source for getting malware
• 3489[23:27:03] <n4dir> could also have a look at chrootkit
• 3490[23:27:14] <n4dir> i think a similar one is rkhunter or such
• 3491[23:27:25] <Resilience> I have made sudo apt-get install consolekit and it said "<blah blah blah> consolekit set to manually installed", so I assume that it was dependence installed and now it is manually installed, how can I revert the package to its former status?
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• 3494[23:28:00] <teraflops> n4dir: rkhunter is well known for its false positives so consider not coming here saying you have rootkits :P
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• 3496[23:28:01] <schnabeltasse> n4dir: thanks
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• 3499[23:28:36] <n4dir> can't recall i had false positives, might be i have used chrootkit though. not sure
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• 3502[23:29:05] <schnabeltasse> ah ok rootkit scanner. well, maybe we're all infected by usb firmware vulnerability...
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• 3504[23:29:09] <bazhang> ,v chkrootkit
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• 3506[23:29:10] <judd> Package: chkrootkit on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.49-4.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.49-4.1+deb7u2; jessie: 0.50-3; sid: 0.50-3.2; stretch: 0.50-3.2
• 3507[23:29:28] <bazhang> rkhunter was in there as well iirc
• 3508[23:29:29] <schnabeltasse> i cut my worries of at a certain point.
• 3509[23:29:58] <dStruct> with block-level disk encryption is there a reason why it doesn't want to mount my encrypted swap partition? I'm pretty certain I set everything up as it should be
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• 3511[23:31:22] <schnabeltasse> dStruct: check setup of fstab and crypttab
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• 3522[23:34:38] <dStruct> schnabeltasse: will do, thanks
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• 3524[23:34:53] <schnabeltasse> if it doesnt activate, you should get feedback
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• 3527[23:35:39] * x86iac wonders if schnabeltasse knows schnabeltasser
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• 3541[23:39:28] * schnabeltasse doesn't know schnabeltasser
• 3542[23:39:50] <dStruct> schnabeltasse: first time setting up block level encryption and like an idiot I didn't want LVM, but now I see why I should have used it
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• 3544[23:41:44] <Toordog_> is there an open source solution to easily create a local repository for Debian and RedHat repository on the same server?
• 3545[23:42:21] <cafuego> rsync would do it, but.
• 3546[23:42:37] <cafuego> you'll end up mirroring 100% of packages, 99.9% if which you'd never use.
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• 3548[23:43:17] <cafuego> 99.99% probably
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• 3552[23:45:44] <x86iac> come on cafuego what are your facts? it is only 99.913 %
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• 3556[23:45:58] <cafuego> my facts are 100% post-truth
• 3557[23:46:11] <cafuego> artisan hand-crafted post-truth
• 3558[23:46:16] * x86iac salutes honesty and post-factualism
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• 3561[23:47:28] <Toordog_> cafuego everytime I clone a repository i get all the junk on it, this is the point to clone a repository :P
• 3562[23:47:32] <cafuego> Toordog_: I guess the counter-question is: what are you trying to accomplish? A mirror of all packages of all supported architectures of all supported distro releases?
• 3563[23:48:00] <x86iac> he is preparing for armegedon
• 3564[23:48:10] <cafuego> panic mirroring. noooooooooo
• 3565[23:48:15] <Toordog_> I need to clone repo for wheezy and jessie for 32bit and 64bit PC, and CentOS 6 and 7 (32bit & 64bit) for my internal network
• 3566[23:48:29] <x86iac> Toordog_: aren'
• 3567[23:48:41] <x86iac> t you near a university? most already have them
• 3568[23:48:49] <somiaj> Toordog_: do you want a full repo, or would something like apt-cacher-ng work?
• 3569[23:48:56] <Toordog_> i'm not working in a small shop
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• 3571[23:49:06] <Toordog_> i probably need the whole repo
• 3572[23:49:10] <cafuego> somiaj: that'd do it for the debian half, anyway
• 3573[23:49:49] <Toordog_> well server don't have direct access to internet
• 3574[23:49:54] <somiaj> Toordog_: there is also apt-mirror to have a full mirror. apt-cacher-ng will just mirror only the packages you use in a cache
• 3575[23:50:01] <cafuego> Toordog_: The centos side you can probably use replaced-url
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• 3577[23:50:18] <Toordog_> yeah, i was looking for something more integrated maybe
• 3578[23:50:36] <Toordog_> that would support both or virtually package for any platform
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• 3580[23:50:46] <x86iac> i'm guessing since he is having to ask ... it will never be accomplished
• 3581[23:50:49] <somiaj> Toordog_: replaced-url
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• 3583[23:51:05] <Toordog_> centos has very nice tools to manage local repository, just like debian, but the tools are not port to each other.
• 3584[23:51:16] <cafuego> Toordog_: You can make rsync pick only source/all/i386/amd64 packages
• 3585[23:51:25] <x86iac> get the dvd
• 3586[23:51:50] <somiaj> Toordog_: mixing on a single server may take some work. Maybe putting VMs on the server to handel each seperatly would be easier. You can also use a chroot so you can have the tools of the desired os handy.
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• 3588[23:52:26] <cafuego> Hey i thought thought of an actual use for docker ;-)
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• 3591[23:54:55] <x86iac> all real programmers use cobol and wear dockers
• 3592[23:55:47] <Toordog_> i was thinking something like pulp but *not even sure if pulp does what I intend to, need to read more about that project*.
• 3593[23:56:36] <Toordog_> seems like there is a module for that
• 3594[23:56:37] <schnabeltasse> dStruct: i don't think lvm is needed for swap encryption
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• 3599[23:57:32] <dStruct> schnabeltasse: it's not required no, but to make it mount easier and support sleeping/waking it's probably the better way to go, (enc volume (LVM / and swap parts)) essentially
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• 3603[23:58:39] <schnabeltasse> well sleeping i don't know about, i don't use that. i think you only need package cryptsetup
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