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20[10:11:47] <cujotus> to new bug explorers, just create another addon what fixes the bug :)
21[10:12:12] <Walakea> When i plug my headphones into the audio jack connector on my laptop the audio sounds as if it was plugged in just halfway, i noticed that recently the audio (through audio jack) sometimes muted and i had to connect headphones again, now it just sounds bad. Is this a hardware problem? I am using Pulse audio.
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24[10:12:51] <cujotus> just suggestion
25[10:13:50] <hypn0> looks like heaphone, clean the connector? Walakea
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28[10:15:01] <Walakea> hypn0: i tried two different headphones as well as plugging them into a different device, the problem is on the PC side
29[10:15:38] <Walakea> also tried looking into the jack output hole, but did not see anything interesting
30[10:16:28] <hypn0> could they both be gone?
31[10:16:52] <Walakea> gone where?
32[10:17:06] <hypn0> to heaphone hell?
33[10:17:30] <Walakea> they sound normal when i plug them into my phone
34[10:17:40] <DK2> replaced-url
35[10:17:42] <DK2> wtf is that?
36[10:17:51] <DK2> several i -c i process causing 100% load?
37[10:18:09] <DK2> anyone seen this before?
38[10:18:36] <hypn0> maybe the socket too Walakea
39[10:18:56] <hypn0> I doubt it's the software
40[10:19:09] <DK2> killed the process and everythign went back to normal, but still..
41[10:19:39] <Walakea> hypn0: me too, now the question is whether i can somehow clean it or something or whether it will have to be replaced (laptop is 2.5 years old)
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44[10:21:37] <alkisg> Walakea: you may also try asking in #hardware
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47[10:23:07] <Walakea> alkisg: i knew this was not the proper channel, but did not know better place to ask, thanks
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53[10:24:10] <jelly> DK2: that looks rather suspicious. Next time run lsof on such a process
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55[10:24:15] <alkisg> np
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60[10:26:09] <DK2> jelly will keep it in mind if it comes back thanks
61[10:27:04] <jelly> since it ran as root your system might have been completely compromised
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66[10:28:49] <DK2> authentication is only possible with ssh keys and private accounts.. so i wonder how
67[10:29:26] <rc202402> Hi, Hey anybody aware of any good panel config?
68[10:29:48] <annadane> depends what de/wm
69[10:30:01] <annadane> i basically just leave my xfce panel alone plus add a few things
70[10:31:08] <rc202402> tint2 vs xfce which one might be better?
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74[10:33:09] <bazhang> rc202402, no better, whatever you like
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80[10:36:56] <rc202402> Well then I'll go with tint2! ;P
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140[11:44:50] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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201[12:23:36] <chromesy> Hi all, so in the next painful chapter of trying to have a Chromebook that I can plug in different OSes on USB keys (namely Debian and Kali), I have got to the point where I can get live versions working; I have a Debian live USB and a Kali Linux live USB.
202[12:23:36] <chromesy> Of course the problem with these live OSes is that there is no persistence and, because I need a non-free kernel module to drive my wireless, I find myself having to install it every time I use the OS.
203[12:23:36] <chromesy> All I want is to install normall Debian to one USB and Kali Linux to another. There have been problems with doing both: Debian 9 gets to a point (the install base system step) where it gives the message "Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release.". Kali Linux keeps insisting that it cannot detect a CD-Rom (of course it cannot on a Chomebook, why is this important anyway?). I never expected such a
204[12:23:39] <chromesy> basic task to be so difficult. :)
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209[12:26:31] <Brigo> chromesy, for debian try something like this: replaced-url
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212[12:27:49] <chromesy> Brigo: Okay, having a look at that now.
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215[12:30:35] <chromesy> Brigo: So, it looks like I was just expecting things to work quite simply but, looking at that Will Haley article, it is not so easy.
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219[12:31:47] <Brigo> chromesy, it seems so.
220[12:32:22] <Brigo> chromesy, note if you do this way wou will have a line in grub for launching debian, very handy i think.
221[12:33:00] <chromesy> Brigo: okay, thanks, I'm going to give this a go. ;)
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224[12:33:27] <Brigo> chromesy, good luck :)
225[12:33:33] <chromesy> Thanks
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229[12:40:55] <dka> gpg: requesting key 2649A5A9 from hkp server pgp.mit.edu
230[12:40:56] <dka> gpgkeys: key A5D32F012649A5A9 can't be retrieved
231[12:40:59] <dka> How can I solve this?
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250[12:57:56] <dutchfish> dka, have you considered incorrect time? iow you could use something like this gpg --ignore-time-conflict ?
251[12:58:19] <dutchfish> (while importing)
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369[14:20:28] <galex-713> Hi
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372[14:20:36] <galex-713> Is there a way to display images to the terminal
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374[14:20:41] <galex-713> I mean, not the tty, even an xterm
375[14:20:45] <galex-713> like konsole or gnome-terminal
376[14:20:50] <galex-713> I think I’ve seen this somewhere
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378[14:20:54] <galex-713> maybe it’s non-standard
379[14:21:03] <galex-713> maybe only with high-level ones like gnome-terminal
380[14:21:05] <galex-713> but is there one?
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431[14:48:47] <hypn0> I think it's the framebuffer galex-713 replaced-url
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435[14:51:15] <chromesy> Brigo: I followed the guide all the way through. I had to change a few of the parameters: I used the amd64 linux image. When I put the USB into my Chromebook, I managed to get to the GRUB2 menu but any keys I pressed were inaffectual. When GRUB2 automatically tried to boot (after 30 seconds or whatever), the Chromebook just froze.
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483[15:17:50] <stevendale> Hi
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486[15:21:35] <sulit> j #risc-v
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488[15:22:02] <galex-713> hypn0: I don’t think so :/
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505[15:31:58] <r3> galex-713: I thought maybe you wanted something like this: replaced-url
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559[16:01:02] <galex-713_> r3: no
560[16:01:24] <PhotoJim> assuming #debian-next is the IRC channel for buster (testing), how does one get invited?
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563[16:02:41] <annadane> PhotoJim, it's on irc.oftc.net
564[16:02:44] <annadane> !debian-next
565[16:02:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
566[16:03:17] <PhotoJim> annadane: ahh, okay. that will do it :) thanks.
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568[16:03:39] <PhotoJim> I'm on that server, so that makes it simple.
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570[16:04:50] <PhotoJim> I've migrated a couple of my systems to buster. not critical systems.
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572[16:05:09] <PhotoJim> a couple of ARM boxes, and a Mac Mini (late 2007).
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589[16:11:08] <tt> how do i set permanent networking configuration
590[16:11:25] <tt> so i dont have to do ifup enp3s0 everytime computer boots
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592[16:11:42] <tt> using the "legacy" method native to debian w/o systemd or sntworkmanager
593[16:12:16] <tt> i have /etc/networki have a "profile" in /etc/network/interfaces.d
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595[16:12:26] <tt> i want to start it everytime my computer boots
596[16:12:40] <tt> without having to manually isse ifup <interface>
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600[16:13:33] <galex-713> r3: hypn0: apparently both sixel format and something w3m appears being able to use exist, but I don’t know how do they work
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603[16:14:59] <Li> why apt install firefox-esr updates only up v52 while we all know newer version of browser usually released due to security issues
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623[16:29:44] <abrotman> Li: and patches are backported all the time ..
624[16:30:34] <Li> abrotman: kindly explain backported to me
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628[16:31:47] <Li> I've manually downloaded, extracted ffv58 followed a tutorial on placing it in /opt/firefox but then I found the other updated firefox-esr laying in /usr/lib/firefox-esr.
629[16:31:58] <galex-713> Li: really? currently I’m aware of newer versions but only under systems that install the normal firefox instead of the esr (extended support release, ie LTS) version, not esr
630[16:31:59] <Li> not sure if that is going to break anything on the system
631[16:33:17] <Li> galex-713: Ok, I think I get then.. I presume firefox-esr would contain those security patches within firefox 58
632[16:33:37] <galex-713> note debian less supports downloading your releases yourself as these are not verified, (bit-per-bit deterministically) built by debian, signed by it and archived with exact correspounding sources (that would help find, at least retrospectively) any backdoor or security problem
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634[16:34:29] <galex-713> Li: of course, and even if it didn’t, Debian package old versions precisely in the purpose of applying all bugfix patch yet not adding feature in each debian release
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636[16:34:52] <galex-713> so you get bugfixes without new untested features potentially shipping new unknown bugs (including security holes)
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638[16:35:20] <galex-713> so normally either security patches are applied upstream by firefox people, either the debian maintainer shipping firefox in debian applies those
639[16:35:24] <galex-713> so you’re safe
640[16:35:33] <galex-713> are you worried against spectre? :)
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644[16:37:36] <Li> galex-713: yes that was one of the many things ... I'm new commer from ubuntu, done with all the breaks on daily bases for brand new installations right after finishing the installation
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646[16:38:02] <galex-713> I understand x)
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648[16:38:17] <Li> debian seems a little limited to my first impression but it's not a problem if it offer stability "which is what I read about"
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651[16:38:36] <galex-713> limited? in what dimension precisely?
652[16:38:55] <Li> I've tried whereis firefox, locate firefox and debian is like what the heck is that!
653[16:38:58] <Li> lol
654[16:39:04] <galex-713> ah yes
655[16:39:12] <galex-713> maybe less stuff is installed by default, you’re right
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658[16:39:34] <galex-713> if you want again a command like that, try apt search <program>, or install apt-file and then apt-file search <file>
659[16:39:46] <galex-713> you’ll know from where package you can get these from
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662[16:40:21] <Li> great info ... thanks galex-713
663[16:40:54] <galex-713> normally debian is pretty complete, it has a lot of packages and I find “being packaged under debian” is pretty much a mark of seriousness, trust and stability for a package (rather than a proof of uncompletness for debian)
664[16:41:31] <galex-713> but of course not everything is package, especially some experimental projects, or some really frequently updated software, such as Unity
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666[16:41:53] <galex-713> yet now Ubuntu is going to abandon Unity I suppose its development will slow down, be forked, and maybe integrated into debian
667[16:42:14] <galex-713> I still miss tribler, ipfs, and all these nice experimental things…
668[16:42:34] <Li> galex-713: do you know if I can use ubuntu-make "umake" to install complete development environment under debian?
669[16:42:43] <annadane> Li: having two firefoxes will not break debian
670[16:42:50] <annadane> you just might mix your configuration files
671[16:43:03] <annadane> and there are ways to avoid that
672[16:43:11] <Li> annadane: thanks to galex-713 I've droped that ugly idea from my mind
673[16:43:35] <galex-713> if installed under its own prefix like opt or usr/local any external installation (especially home made compilation) shouldn’t cause that much problem
674[16:44:01] <galex-713> the worse is when people add external repositories or install external deb files which could maybe break things
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681[16:51:35] <Li> the tutorial I followed was made by download bz2 firefox, extract/locate in /opt/firefox then install alacarte to remove the old firefox and replace with the new version
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696[17:01:48] <psylence> Hey guys. I'm having a bit of trouble with Apt. When I try to install a package from a different releae repository by passing the -t stable argument I get an error saying "The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources."
697[17:01:55] <psylence> I have stable, testing and unstable in my sources
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699[17:02:34] <annadane> !frankendebian
700[17:02:34] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
701[17:02:35] <psylence> my APT::Default-Release is set to "unstable" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/08default-release
702[17:02:50] <psylence> annadane, this is obviously an issue with Apt.
703[17:03:02] <psylence> Not packages being incompatible with one another.
704[17:03:07] <psylence> Please use some critical thinking.
705[17:03:14] <annadane> stop being rude
706[17:03:39] <BCMM> my phone isn't working. i ran it over, but i'm pretty sure it's nothing to do with that.
707[17:03:40] <psylence> Furthermore, it is an unstable release, completely, I just want one package from stable.
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709[17:04:12] <psylence> annadane, you're the one being rude. Who instead of not saying anything if you couldn't be helpful, decided to derail this.
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734[17:16:32] <psylence> Whatdoes this mean?
735[17:16:37] <psylence> E: release file for /testing/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 86d 14h 25min 21s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
736[17:16:51] <psylence> there's a repo address before /testing/InRelease but didn't feel like tpying it.
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740[17:22:43] <BCMM> !debian-next
741[17:22:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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743[17:23:07] <BCMM> (although you'll hear the same thing about the frankendebian setup over there i think)
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747[17:25:09] <shtrb> What would be the use of such config (/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release) ?
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793[17:53:51] <at0m> psylence: is your system's clock set properly?
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805[17:59:08] <Guest44905> Hi there,
806[17:59:08] <Guest44905> I was wondering if somebody could help me out.
807[17:59:08] <Guest44905> I suck at python but there is something I was wondering if it is possible.
808[17:59:08] <Guest44905> Here is what I'd like to do.
809[17:59:08] <Guest44905> I would like to change a folders icon with a different picture.
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811[18:00:00] <BCMM> lol.
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815[18:01:13] <at0m> irc icon changed with kickhammer
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820[18:04:16] <BCMM> Guest44905: folder icon as displayed in a filemanager, right?
821[18:04:47] <goose> I've got a home server which became unresponsive earlier and had to be hard-rebooted. Upon boot and checking the syslog, I found a long line of repeating "^@" characters, maybe 100 or so, without a line break at the end, then the syslog continues from the reboot. There's no errors on the line before the "^@". When I view syslog in 'less' the characters print differently than the rest of the file, as if
822[18:04:48] <goose> they're highlighted.
823[18:04:51] <goose> Any idea what happened?
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828[18:09:36] <jelly> goose: that's just null bytes.
829[18:09:38] <BCMM> Guest44905: that's controlled by desktop entries, i think. i.e., the .directory file
830[18:10:20] <jelly> goose: your filesystem got slightly corrupted, and some files lost the correct size value, so they got padded with zeros
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833[18:13:32] <BCMM> Guest44905: basically, just create a file inside the folder called called .directory, and make the contents look like this replaced-url
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836[18:14:13] <jelly> psylence, annadane, BCMM: I don't think an automatic !frankendebian response is appropriate if user wants to enable and grab something from an _older_ release
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838[18:14:58] <Guest44905> inside which folder though?
839[18:14:59] <BCMM> jelly: well, i've been send to
840[18:15:09] <BCMM> #debian-next for asking about testing in here...
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842[18:15:22] <BCMM> Guest44905: inside the folder you want to set an icon for
843[18:15:32] <jelly> BCMM: that's okay
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845[18:15:37] <Guest44905> but if i have 300 of them or so
846[18:15:57] <BCMM> Guest44905: as in, 300 folders that all want new icons?
847[18:16:03] <Guest44905> yes
848[18:16:18] <Guest44905> thats why i was thinking of a script
849[18:16:20] <BCMM> Guest44905: well, you said you'd be using python for this. have you learned about loops yet? :)
850[18:16:36] <Guest44905> nope
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854[18:19:04] <Guest44905> i was thinking of having a folder full of icons (different) and i name them a.jpg b.jpg c.jpg and so on and the i have folders which are called a b c and so on then the script goes into to the icon folder looks for the pic and matches it to the name of the folder
855[18:19:20] <BCMM> Guest44905: that sounds entirely doable
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858[18:20:03] <Guest44905> i found something in a forum which is a little different
859[18:20:12] <Guest44905> maybe it could be tweaked
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867[18:22:15] <jelly> it's going to be an easy task if you're learning programming, when you reach loop constructs and something like foreach, for, or while
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871[18:23:53] <Guest44905> ok thanks
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873[18:24:02] <BCMM> for i in * ; do echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\nIcon=${i}.png" > ${i}/.directory ; done
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875[18:24:18] <BCMM> (bash, not python. also, not tested. point is, it'll be a very short program)
876[18:25:33] <Guest44905> ok ill try that
877[18:26:08] <jelly> a file named .directory just gives me a headache
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881[18:27:46] <Guest44905> i dont understand how that works
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888[18:28:46] <Guest44905> dont i need a path to the icon folder and a path to the folders
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898[18:32:05] <jelly> Guest44905: you'd need to put in valid paths for icons, yes. If you plan to do this in python, perhaps #python would be a better place to ask.
899[18:32:13] <BCMM> Guest44905: oh, that assumes the icons are installed in one of the standard locations
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901[18:32:22] <BCMM> Guest44905: otherwise, yeah you need to put the full path in
902[18:32:54] <Guest44905> it doesnt have to be python. just thought that might be the best option
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906[18:33:10] <BCMM> also my bash mock-up was written on the assumption that the 300 directories were all subdirectories of the cwd
907[18:33:12] <Guest44905> if it works in bash and is simpler that thats ok too
908[18:33:41] <jelly> #bash exists as well. None of this is particularly Debian specific
909[18:33:46] <BCMM> Guest44905: well, manipulating directories and plain-text files is what bash does well
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911[18:33:59] <BCMM> Guest44905: but use whatever language you're most comfortable in, within reason
912[18:34:11] <jelly> (freedesktop spec for file managers are arguably linux-specific)
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915[18:35:00] <Guest44905> sorry im confused
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921[18:37:04] <Guest44905> sorry if i am in the wrong chanel
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983[19:03:48] <zerocool> i haven't looked into rhel's kickstart setup too much yet but, studying up for the rhcsa its coming up a lot and seems to be a pxe delivered preseed config, does debian have anything like this?
984[19:03:53] <Avernos> is there any bootable usb ISO GUI on debian ?
985[19:03:59] <Avernos> something as unetbootin ?
986[19:04:07] <zerocool> vs having to bake the preseed into the iso
987[19:04:12] <Avernos> replaced-url
988[19:05:12] <alkisg> zerocool: afaik debian supports preseeding, and ubuntu additionally has minimal kickstart support, but I'm not sure if debian has that minimal kickstart support
989[19:05:29] <BCMM> Avernos: is is a Debian ISO you want to use?
990[19:05:36] <Avernos> BCMM, no
991[19:05:38] <alkisg> zerocool: check replaced-url
992[19:06:09] <zerocool> alkisg: if that's where all the cool kids are headed i wonder if debian will eventually get there
993[19:06:16] <Avernos> BCMM, if is for a debian iso i just use dd. marvelous thing
994[19:06:25] <BCMM> Avernos: yeah, that's why i was asking
995[19:06:26] <zerocool> i already preseed my own iso's im just wondering about kickstard
996[19:06:27] <BCMM> how can i check why a package was removed from debian?
997[19:06:41] <BCMM> wondering about unetbootin this time, but would like a general answer
998[19:06:43] <alkisg> zerocool: well, alien makes rpm installable in debian; and has been around for years; and we haven't switched to rpm yet :)
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1000[19:07:01] <zerocool> gross
1001[19:07:08] <jelly> zerocool: yes, debian has pxe bootable d-i
1002[19:07:35] <jelly> and a way to grab preseed config via tftp
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1004[19:08:00] <zerocool> jelly: noice, im still not sure if that's what kickstart is but sounds like it so far
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1007[19:08:32] <jelly> kickstart is redhat's thing
1008[19:09:08] <zerocool> right i know, was wondering if debian used it too, alkisg says ubuntu does to an extent
1009[19:09:16] <zerocool> so, kinda answers my q
1010[19:09:20] <zerocool> thanks jelly
1011[19:09:29] <jelly> debian does not, AFAIK
1012[19:10:02] <zerocool> well if it already has something that is functionally the same with a less cooler name like pxe d-i vs kickstart
1013[19:10:07] <zerocool> then... kinda it do
1014[19:11:05] <jelly> there's some (but not complete) docs for network installation in the install guide
1015[19:11:07] <jelly> !i-g
1016[19:11:07] <dpkg> stretch installation guide is probably The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
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1018[19:11:10] <alkisg> the preseed file can be provided by a lot of methods, not just pxe/tftp
1019[19:11:26] <alkisg> It can be in cdrom, http, local paths, wherever
1020[19:11:43] <jelly> sure, but that's the easiest if they're doing netboot anyway
1021[19:11:57] <alkisg> netbooting sometimes is done without tftp, only with http
1022[19:12:22] <zerocool> i have like a 50 linux servers that i need to apprehend so looking into foreman and puppet and i see it talking about kickstart, most of my servers are debian so that's why i was asking
1023[19:12:24] <jelly> but then you have to type things in at the console, or customize boot images
1024[19:12:32] <alkisg> Nah, ipxe covers all that
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1026[19:12:45] <alkisg> You can even chainload it (undi)
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1029[19:13:16] <jelly> is d-i via ipxe documented anywhere
1030[19:13:19] <KaffeeJunky123> Is it legal to distribute physical copies of Debian installer discs with the Debian logo on them?
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1032[19:14:10] <zerocool> KaffeeJunky123: it may only matter if the code is changed or you are charging for it
1033[19:14:25] <KaffeeJunky123> zerocool: I plan on only charging for it
1034[19:14:30] <jelly> why would charging matter
1035[19:14:34] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: replaced-url
1036[19:14:34] <KaffeeJunky123> DVDs aren't printed for free
1037[19:14:55] <alkisg> jelly: not sure, but netboot.xyz has an extensive ipxe menu just for that, check replaced-url
1038[19:14:58] <jelly> if anyone wants to buy Debian dvd for $100, let them
1039[19:15:07] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: Is there one that also says GNU/Linux
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1041[19:15:27] <KaffeeJunky123> jelly: I only plan to sell at slightly above production price
1042[19:15:39] <zerocool> i think it would be different if you were selling debian for $120 as an OS and not $5 as install media which happens to contain debian, but im not 100%.
1043[19:15:41] <KaffeeJunky123> jelly: So I can cover shipping and time invested in the whole deal
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1049[19:16:20] <KaffeeJunky123> zerocool: I was planning around 2€ within my country and 3€ within the EU
1050[19:16:30] <zerocool> you know trying to sell the OS, not the disk. nobody would willingly spend >$5 for a disk that has free content on it
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1053[19:17:02] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: i mean, the licence permits modification of the logo...
1054[19:17:08] <zerocool> yeah, i understand, that makes sense, i know material isn't free, and i think everyone charges for the media, i was just saying I think it would not be legal to sell the code
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1056[19:17:26] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: So I can just take the SVG and some more graphics with Inkscape
1057[19:17:31] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: and if you start with the SVG...
1058[19:17:31] <jelly> zerocool: it's absolutely legal to sell the code, you just have to comply with licenses
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1060[19:17:34] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: oh you beat me to it
1061[19:17:35] <zerocool> or to add your own software to it and sell it WITH the debian branding
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1063[19:17:43] <zerocool> i think that will get you into trouble ^
1064[19:17:46] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: was gonna say you could get it in the same font and all that
1065[19:17:59] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: So that is says the Debian version and GNU/Linux
1066[19:17:59] <NitrousPG> the GPL absolutely allows the software the be sold specifically because of the cost of distribution
1067[19:18:09] <NitrousPG> that said
1068[19:18:20] <jelly> NitrousPG: all DFSG-compliant licenses do
1069[19:18:32] <BCMM> it's also under CC BY-SA which is perfectly explicit about this
1070[19:18:38] <KaffeeJunky123> NitrousPG: I found someone on ebay selling tons of GNU software as download, so I thought why not do it in a more legitimate way
1071[19:18:45] <KaffeeJunky123> Many people have a bad internet connection
1072[19:18:51] <BCMM> "remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially"
1073[19:18:55] <KaffeeJunky123> So selling physical images is a good idea
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1075[19:19:06] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: you know somebody's already doing that right?
1076[19:19:07] <KaffeeJunky123> The box of full Debian DVDs would be around 10€
1077[19:19:08] <jelly> KaffeeJunky123: if you can find customers, sure
1078[19:19:16] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: yes
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1080[19:19:31] <BCMM> KaffeeJunky123: if you do it, you might as well ask to be included on replaced-url
1081[19:19:33] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: I'm planning on adding it @amazon
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1083[19:19:51] <KaffeeJunky123> BCMM: And add a description that will make it turn up when people search for windows :P
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1085[19:19:57] <BCMM> heh
1086[19:20:01] <NitrousPG> i really don't see a market in people within the EU who don't have the bandwidth to support downloading a debian ISO
1087[19:20:22] <BCMM> NitrousPG: not everybody who lives in the EU lives in a city
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1089[19:20:35] <nix64bit> there was a marjey about 10 years ago
1090[19:20:36] <BCMM> there's some awful rural "broadband" here in the uk
1091[19:20:40] <NitrousPG> true
1092[19:20:41] <jelly> NitrousPG: not everyone living in EU has flat data rates
1093[19:20:42] <nix64bit> market
1094[19:20:50] <NitrousPG> i don't see a lot of farmers interested in debian though
1095[19:21:04] <KaffeeJunky123> NitrousPG: I know a family of farmers that runs on OpenSuSE
1096[19:21:09] <KaffeeJunky123> Why not Debian?
1097[19:21:13] <NitrousPG> anyway i mean if you can make it work then sure
1098[19:21:26] <BCMM> no, opensuse is clearly much more useful for agriculture
1099[19:21:32] <NitrousPG> but i feel like you'd just end up with a bunch of unsold CD's on your hands
1100[19:21:43] <BCMM> debian is just for us idle metropolitan people to mess around with
1101[19:22:03] <BCMM> eh, just don't make a whole bunch up-front
1102[19:22:07] <nix64bit> it gets updated too often to have it on a disk
1103[19:22:18] <nix64bit> I am logging out
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1105[19:22:38] <BCMM> could just burn/print on-demand, even at a slight loss, while you work out if there's a market
1106[19:22:53] <jelly> !9.4
1107[19:22:53] <dpkg> Debian 9.4 was released on Mar 10, 2018. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at replaced-url
1108[19:23:08] <hypn0> just for us idle metropolitan people to mess around with :-/
1109[19:23:33] <zerocool> jelly: i wonder if that's for meltdown/spectre
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1111[19:23:42] <zerocool> the "serious bugs"
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1119[19:27:40] <alexandre9099> hi, can i get an iso with all the dvd's (to put on a pendrive)
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1128[19:31:25] <jelly> zerocool: why wonder? Do a CVE lookup on the
1129[19:31:29] <jelly> !tracker of doom
1130[19:31:32] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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1142[19:40:39] <tt> why dns-servers option is undocumented in debian interfaces(5)?
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1154[19:46:44] <jelly> tt: that functionality doesn't come from ifupdown package where interfaces(5) page is, but from resolvconf
1155[19:46:48] <BCMM> tt: iirc it's not part of the base of ifupdown
1156[19:47:40] <jelly> other extensions also have their own separate man pages, eg. bridge-utils-interfaces(5)
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1166[19:51:13] <tt> after doing ifdown <int> && ifup <int> my /etc/resolv.conf dont get updated or created if deleted - is dns-servers deprecated?
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1172[19:52:17] <armin> tt: i noticed there's some resolv.conf related systemd units showing up recently
1173[19:52:32] <armin> tt: might be worth noticing
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1175[19:52:58] <jelly> tt: is resolvconf package installed?
1176[19:53:06] <jelly> tt: which debian release are you on?
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1178[19:53:57] <tt> jelly: 9.3 stretch
1179[19:54:36] <tt> jelly: i guess it is not (by default)
1180[19:54:52] <jelly> please don't guess, look it up
1181[19:55:15] <jelly> dpkg -l packagename | grep ^.i
1182[19:55:15] <dpkg> No packages found matching packagename | grep ^.i
1183[19:55:21] <jelly> dpkg: be quiet
1184[19:55:21] <dpkg> Ah, shuddup.
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1187[19:55:56] <majesttr> Im trying to setup openVPN but i only get this error message; replaced-url
1188[19:55:59] <tt> jelly: it is not - do i need to install it? i also noticed systemd-resolved is disabled too
1189[19:56:09] <lechucknet> ;)
1190[19:56:24] <jelly> tt: you absolutely need to install it if you want dns-* stuff in interfaces to do anything
1191[19:57:05] <jelly> that's what "functionality [...] comes [...] from resolvconf" implied
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1195[19:59:07] <jelly> majesttr: it looks like a) you have a rather old debian release and b) the thing you're trying to install was compiled for an OS with a newer glibc (libc6 package)
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1197[19:59:43] <jelly> majesttr: no, there's no safe way to upgrade just libc6
1198[19:59:50] <tt> jelly: thank you, the issue resolved. but, from where did you read that sentence?
1199[20:00:05] <jelly> [19:46] <jelly> tt: that functionality doesn't come from ifupdown package where interfaces(5) page is, but from resolvconf
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1201[20:00:15] <jelly> from me, 15 minutes ago
1202[20:00:20] <tt> oh ok :-)
1203[20:00:22] <tt> thx!
1204[20:00:47] <jelly> ,v libc6
1205[20:00:48] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-1; sid: 2.27-2
1206[20:01:14] <jelly> ,v openvpn
1207[20:01:15] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.4-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.5-1; sid: 2.4.5-1
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1211[20:01:52] <jelly> majesttr: if you're on Debian 7 you can try using openvpn from the distro, version 2.2.1-8+deb7u5;
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1213[20:02:20] <jelly> I have no idea how well it works, but it won't throw glibc symbol errors
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1217[20:03:06] <jelly> majesttr: where does that openvpn-as package come from?
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1234[20:09:50] <nidhoegger> hi, i am trying buster right now for fun
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1236[20:09:55] <nidhoegger> did the package qtcreator get removed?
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1241[20:11:07] <annadane> ,v qtcreator
1242[20:11:08] <judd> Package: qtcreator on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.5.0-2; wheezy-backports: 3.2.1+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.2.1+dfsg-7+deb8u1; stretch: 4.2.0-1+b1; sid: 4.5.0-3
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1246[20:12:16] <nidhoegger> so it will make it back to buster once this has been resolved=?
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1251[20:14:20] <awal1> linksys ae6000 not supported?
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1254[20:14:30] <awal1> usb wifi adapter ^
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1256[20:15:46] <annadane> nidhoegger, probably, yeah
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1261[20:17:09] <awal1> lsusb ---» Bus 003 Device 004: ID 13b1:003e Linksys AE6000 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapter [MediaTek MT7610U]
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1269[20:19:47] <jelly> awal1: look up 13b1:003e usbid linux support on the web
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1271[20:20:28] <majesttr> Im trying to upgrade from 7.11 to 9.0 but when I run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" I only get this; "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
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1273[20:20:44] <majesttr> weird...
1274[20:20:54] <awal1> jelly, ok :, thanks
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1276[20:22:57] <jelly> majesttr: skipping releases is not supported. You have to go from 7.11 ->8, then from 8 -> 9
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1279[20:23:27] <majesttr> jelly: How do I do that then? lol
1280[20:23:32] <jelly> majesttr: you also have to read the release notes, they contain important instructions
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1282[20:23:42] <jelly> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
1283[20:23:42] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1284[20:23:50] <jelly> !jessie release notes
1285[20:23:51] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
1286[20:23:59] <jelly> majesttr: that's for 7->8 step
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1288[20:24:47] <BCMM> majesttr: dist-upgrade, despite the name, doesn't actually tell it you want to upgrade the distro
1289[20:24:54] <BCMM> majesttr: gotta edit sources first
1290[20:25:13] <jelly> no. gotta read the release notes first.
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1292[20:25:42] <BCMM> !wheezy->jessie
1293[20:25:53] <BCMM> hmmm
1294[20:25:53] <jelly> I've... just asked the bot about that.
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1298[20:26:14] <BCMM> oh, sorry. only saw the 2nd one
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1301[20:26:39] <jelly> (dpkg bot has a bug with ! and factoids with -> in the name, has to be addressed with full nickname)
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1318[20:33:56] <Wotac> how do i find out my uname -p if it says "unknown"?
1319[20:34:13] <jelly> Wotac: what does "uname -a" say?
1320[20:34:25] <Wotac> a script depends on it and i thought i'll just replace the text manually
1321[20:34:28] <petemc> lscpu
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1326[20:35:28] <Wotac> uname -a says everything and nothing is "unknown" there, but which one is the -p of it?
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1329[20:35:52] <jelly> what kind of script? that thing hasn't said anything but "unknown" for a very long time on debian's kernels
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1331[20:36:23] <jelly> Wotac: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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1333[20:36:37] <Wotac> amd64
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1335[20:37:00] <jelly> Wotac: so make a wrapper for uname that will say "x86_64" for -p
1336[20:37:27] <jelly> or just hack off that part of the affected script
1337[20:38:44] <Wotac> i did that second one
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1340[20:38:49] <Wotac> thanks
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1346[20:42:13] <majesttr> jelly: I tried what you said about changing "wheezy" to "jessie" in sources.list then I get this message; replaced-url
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1356[20:49:38] <awal1> not officially suported replaced-url
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1367[20:54:04] <awal1> so that means my " Bus 003 Device 004: ID 13b1:003e Linksys AE6000 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapter [MediaTek MT7610U]" will not be supported or just not supported for now?
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1373[20:55:33] <awal1> just curious. I can go back to walmart and get refunded ( i have 2 weeks for try it and think --- by law here in Canada)
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1383[21:00:12] <BCMM> awal1: the readme on replaced-url
1384[21:00:36] <BCMM> but i guess that's not strictly a prerequisite for debian support
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1386[21:01:44] <awal1> BCMM, I was in that link yeah, I am going to try if it works in my sid vm; if troubles I just go to get refunded and buy another one quietly
1387[21:02:19] <awal1> try it I mean downloaading that git firmware
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1439[21:22:59] <SirCmpwn> I'm trying to automate a debian image build, but debootstrap is doing some interactive nonsense
1440[21:23:15] <SirCmpwn> wait, or is it
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1442[21:24:39] <SirCmpwn> it wasn't, my bad
1443[21:25:02] <SirCmpwn> it's apt-get install, I think
1444[21:25:06] <SirCmpwn> it's asking me for a keyboard layout
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1498[22:01:44] <BCMM> SirCmpwn: replaced-url
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1500[22:02:20] <SirCmpwn> BCMM: thanks, I got it sorted
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1517[22:12:45] <rezner> is there a way to use an LXC tool to create/clone an ISO from let's say slackware and turn it into an LXC container template for proxmox?
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1521[22:15:01] <tweakerDOTio> Is any one alive?
1522[22:15:06] <robin_sz> yes
1523[22:15:08] <rezner> nope
1524[22:15:27] <robin_sz> sorry, rezner is right, I'm new here
1525[22:15:41] <tweakerDOTio> im kinda dead to. meth does that. um... can I come in this chan and attempt to sell compute/bandwith capacity?
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1527[22:16:19] <tweakerDOTio> or does any one have a suggestion as to how I can turn my compute capacity on google cloud into some cash. for drugs. this is real.
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1531[22:17:50] <nkuttler> !ops tweakerDOTio trolling
1532[22:17:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
1533[22:18:04] <tweakerDOTio> k then
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1535[22:18:17] <tweakerDOTio> literally not.
1536[22:18:18] <tweakerDOTio> but ok
1537[22:18:41] <robin_sz> so, remind me, Stretch, it still uses the init.d system or not?
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1539[22:18:56] <nkuttler> robin_sz: not by default
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1545[22:19:55] <robin_sz> sigh ... ok. I sort of lost touch ... is it services like redhat now then?
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1548[22:21:50] <BCMM> robin_sz: systemd is the default from Jessie onwards
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1553[22:23:49] <robin_sz> thats what dedrat uses, right?
1554[22:24:02] <BCMM> yes
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1561[22:27:30] <robin_sz> OK, just catching up asI have a bunch of virtualmachines I have neglected that need an upgrade
1562[22:28:01] <robin_sz> still on Wheezy
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1565[22:30:38] <robin_sz> I kinda ran into it when doing some admin on some Ubuntu machine, and thought it was Ubuntu madness, but I guess it was inherited from Debian, I suspect I'll go for Devuan, assuming Amazon has an image for it
1566[22:31:25] <robin_sz> thanks for the heads up thoug
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1592[22:50:35] <kale> hi, im running debian on btrfs, but i get corrupt files. the thing is, i have hard time tracking it down. i transfer 53509 files of various sizes using unison. when i then check the files against another archive, the some of the differ. would that be unison or btrfs teasing me?
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1654[23:17:03] <jhutchins> kale: Try unison on ext4, try something other than unison - rsync? on btrfs.
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1656[23:18:13] <kale> jhutchins: i am trafsferring with tar/ssh right now, still onto btrfs lets see what happens when i try to sync with unison afterwards
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1665[23:23:51] <jhutchins> kale: The nice thing about rsync is that it checksums the transfer.
1666[23:24:14] <kale> jhutchins: true, but its 300GB, takes too long
1667[23:25:15] <jhutchins> kale: It's not going to be any slower than any encrypted connection(ssh).
1668[23:25:39] <jhutchins> kale: It has internal compression available if your connection is restreicted.
1669[23:26:02] <kale> jhutchins: yes, for the first transfer i agree, but when i change a single file, unison finds that single file pretty fast. rsync has to check everything
1670[23:27:21] <jhutchins> kale: It's not like unison doesn't have to check everything, it's just a different method.
1671[23:27:47] <kale> jhutchins: true, but it does not checksum all the files again
1672[23:28:07] <jhutchins> kale: Rsync has a LOT of proven reliability. Unison may be fine, but it's worth trying a different, known-to-be-reliable method.
1673[23:28:25] <jhutchins> kale: We KNOW rsync is not going to corrupt the files in transit.
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1675[23:28:59] <jhutchins> kale: Therefore, if we use rsync and still get corrupted files, it's probably dues to btrfs problems.
1676[23:29:11] <kale> jhutchins: that is worth trying out i think.
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1678[23:29:49] <jhutchins> kale: If we use rsync and DON'T get corrupted files, there's a good chance it's something about unison - although absence of failure isn't proof of the problem.
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1680[23:32:03] <kale> jhutchins: yes, i guess this is where it is hard. i do not nessessarily get a corruption immidiately. got that on my old CPU/motherboard, so i replaced it. earlier i had som btrfs quircks in syslog, but i do not have those anymore.
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1683[23:33:05] <kale> i think i'll run an rsync check from time to time, so see when this happens
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