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• 3[00:01:38] <d9867eb> I have a server and I need systemd user services there. but I try to enable them it says XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set. XDG_SESSION_ID seems to be unset. I am running systemd 232-32 and I have libpam-systemd installed.
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• 5[00:01:43] <totallyscrewed21> ah i found it with the -a command Self-test execution status: ( 249) Self-test routine in progress... 90% of test remaining.
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• 27[00:14:02] <totallyscrewed21> xingu: after the long test completes should i just reboot or try running fsck -fy again?
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• 31[00:18:25] <d9867eb> xingu: any idea about my problem?
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• 33[00:19:13] <glick> what the hell
• 34[00:19:19] <glick> where can i submit a bug report
• 35[00:19:25] <glick> or does mate not want bug reports?
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• 40[00:21:02] <d9867eb> glick: replaced-url
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• 42[00:21:29] <d9867eb> oh sorry i found out that was outdated lol
• 43[00:21:53] <totallyscrewed21> replaced-url
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• 47[00:23:44] <totallyscrewed21> man this self test has been at 90% for a while
• 48[00:24:02] <glick> yeah d9867eb i saw that
• 49[00:24:15] <glick> and it sabout 7 years out of date :D
• 50[00:24:27] <d9867eb> lol
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• 53[00:25:56] <glick> i have to make a github account?
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• 56[00:26:00] <glick> to report a bug?
• 57[00:26:01] <glick> wtf
• 58[00:26:10] <glick> i just want to report a bug for the love of goodness sake
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• 64[00:28:36] <d9867eb> glick: switch to kde lol
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• 67[00:29:51] <totallyscrewed21> report on github
• 68[00:29:54] <dirac1> tox bootstrap on debian server?.
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• 70[00:30:43] <totallyscrewed21> d9867eb: i can't picture using anything but mate
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• 72[00:30:57] <totallyscrewed21> xfce serves my needs i guess
• 73[00:32:02] <d9867eb> totallyscrewed21: kde5 serves my
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• 75[00:32:27] <d9867eb> totallyscrewed21: I think kde4 was the worst thing ever however
• 76[00:33:51] <totallyscrewed21> i haven't looked at kde in forever 5 looks similar to winblows
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• 78[00:34:16] <totallyscrewed21> it looks a lot cleaner i like it
• 79[00:34:31] <d9867eb> totallyscrewed21: I like the way winblows looks
• 80[00:34:42] <totallyscrewed21> me too
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• 82[00:35:22] <glick> does anyone still code in OCaml?
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• 84[00:35:44] <Resilience> hello to everyone, usermod is the standard command for changing user accounts behaviour in debian? or is there any other command as in the useradd/adduser and userdel/deluser pairs?
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• 86[00:35:51] <d9867eb> glick: never coded in ocaml
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• 90[00:36:33] <d9867eb> Resilience: i think it is standard
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• 96[00:37:44] <Resilience> is it standard? POSIX?
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• 104[00:41:51] <TomG2> usermod is pretty ancient, and I think standard
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• 106[00:42:03] <uxfi> hi TomG2
• 107[00:42:04] <uxfi> how are you
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• 110[00:43:39] <TomG2> fine thanks1
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• 115[00:45:30] <wr> apt-get -t jessie-backports install x, apt -t jessie-backports install y, what is main difference? witch one should be used to installs
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• 123[00:49:40] <d9867eb> TomG2: wr: apt is newer
• 124[00:49:50] <d9867eb> wr: apt is newer
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• 126[00:50:15] <d9867eb> TomG2: sorry that was for wr
• 127[00:50:27] <TomG2> it
• 128[00:50:30] <TomG2> 's ok
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• 130[00:51:04] <fooman2011> Hello. When I execute the halt command, are the rc6.d scripts are executed ?
• 131[00:51:30] <d9867eb> TomG2: my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set. can you help me?
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• 133[00:51:50] <fooman2011> or only rc0.d ?
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• 137[00:56:30] <RedMercury> uname -a gives "Linux meat 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux" - i thought the kernel for stretch was 4.something ?
• 138[00:57:07] <RedMercury> is this an old kernel because I did an in-place upgrade?
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• 140[00:58:04] <teraflops> ,v kernels
• 141[00:58:06] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 142[00:58:09] <teraflops> ,v kernel
• 143[00:58:10] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
• 144[00:58:12] <d9867eb> RedMerucury: running stretch or jessie?
• 145[00:58:14] <teraflops> :S
• 146[00:58:23] <RedMercury> installed jessie, updgraded to stretch
• 147[00:58:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 148[00:58:50] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; sid: 4.9+80; stretch: 4.9+80
• 149[00:59:03] <RedMercury> thanks!
• 150[00:59:15] <RedMercury> I was wondering why gpu pass-through instructions weren't working..
• 151[00:59:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Did you dist-upgrade?
• 152[00:59:21] <RedMercury> iirc yes?
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• 154[01:00:05] <d9867eb> RedMercury: did you apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade?
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• 156[01:00:43] <d9867eb> TomG2: my XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set. can you help me?
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• 158[01:01:04] <RedMercury> d9867eb, is there a transaction log i can see?
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• 161[01:02:07] <d9867eb> RedMercury: of what?
• 162[01:02:54] <RedMercury> d9867eb, I did this (dug out of bash_history) - replaced-url
• 163[01:02:59] <teraflops> d9867eb: go set it up^
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• 172[01:04:57] <d9867eb> RedMercury: ok
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• 177[01:06:04] <teraflops> d9867eb: are you using debian? jessie? are you under Xorg?
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• 181[01:07:04] <TomG2> i don't know, d9867eb, perhaps ask in a GNOME channel
• 182[01:07:09] <TomG2> not sure it's gnome though
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• 189[01:08:54] <L3gacy> ntify Amhitabha135
• 190[01:08:56] <L3gacy> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
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• 202[01:16:55] <wr> how can i make a copy of /var/log
• 203[01:17:05] <d9867eb> teraflops: yes, i am using debian ( of course). i am on stretch.
• 204[01:18:49] <teraflops> d9867eb: iirc pamd_systemd takes care of setting up XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
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• 206[01:19:52] <d9867eb> teraflops: libpam-systemd is installed
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• 209[01:21:14] <teraflops> as normal user, as root?
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• 212[01:21:45] <teraflops> did you sudo su or something like that?
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• 214[01:22:23] <simbalion`> Hi, how can I force a download of flash from replaced-url
• 215[01:22:26] <TomG2> hi wr, have you read replaced-url
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• 217[01:22:41] <TomG2> simbalion`, just go to that web site and download it
• 218[01:22:47] <gffdsgsdfg> top prints all processes as using % cpu, but first one on the list (mysql) is a number (1088), why?
• 219[01:23:03] <simbalion`> TomG2: it doesn't work, whatever program it tries to run says "format not supported"
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• 222[01:24:29] <TomG2> what is the filename you are using?
• 223[01:24:37] <TomG2> that you are trying to run?
• 224[01:24:59] <TomG2> gffdsgsdfg, sorry, no idea. what exactly are you trying to find out?
• 225[01:27:28] <simbalion`> TomG2: yeah okay, that's what I am asking you.
• 226[01:28:18] <TomG2> just get the .tar.gz version, get libflashplayer.so out of it, mark it chmod 755, put it in the plugins directory
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• 228[01:28:22] <TomG2> and i think you'd be done
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• 230[01:28:36] <TomG2> make sure you get the 32 bit version for i386 and 64-bit version for amd64 of course
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• 258[01:43:12] <simbalion`> Yeah that doesnt work
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• 261[01:44:00] <simbalion`> Why is it possible to have a download link that forces me to run an application instead of allowing me to save the file to my disk. Someone at mozilla should hang for that.
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• 264[01:44:53] <simbalion`> The whole point of save dialogs is to prevent that exact kind of automatic executions. This is a 20 year old feature.
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• 300[02:04:41] <dodo> Today I have installed Debian Stretch. I have installed Sysvinit and removed Systemd*. But now I'm a little bit worried. Can I live with the system like this? Is there any problem that I will need to address in the future? Is Sysvinit really supported by Debian? Does Stretch provides scripts for Sysvinit?
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• 324[02:10:27] <AciD`> is there a way to get a more recent version of wine under Debian?
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• 326[02:11:19] <AciD`> I keep getting the error "Could not load wine-gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled." when trying to launch an app from the year 2000 (which worked well under wine for years)
• 327[02:11:42] <AciD`> and according to the bug report, it has been fixed in 1.9.9, while the currenty debian version in 1.6..
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• 422[03:08:34] <TomG2> AciD`, you can try backports, a newer debian, or just going to the winehq.com website and getting a new version yourself
• 423[03:08:46] <TomG2> i'd search straight for the problem you're having
• 424[03:09:05] <AciD`> I did and came up short
• 425[03:09:17] <AciD`> I just used PlayOnLinux instead of got it working though
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• 427[03:09:22] <AciD`> using wine 2.9
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• 486[03:54:25] <lightpaper> Oh frends,I have installed Sparkylinux(debian testing baced).And I want to update my whole system.Everything was fine but when it comes to last step(update),It keep display connecting to replaced-url
• 487[03:54:38] <lightpaper> not connect it
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• 500[04:02:57] <likcoras> !sparky
• 501[04:02:57] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. replaced-url
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• 510[04:10:11] <lightpaper> ...
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• 512[04:10:22] <lightpaper> Very interesting
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• 627[05:56:27] <vahe> hi all, when connected SSH via LAN , everything works fine , but when connecting this Wi-Fi ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.102 port 22: No route to host
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• 630[05:57:43] <vahe> that is the problem in the router?
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• 632[05:59:18] <vahe> when the connection is ssh or vnc over wifi is not working, connection code via a LAN cable ,everything works
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• 635[06:02:02] <vahe> and so with all the devices at home
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• 643[06:06:26] <GumShoe> I'm building husky for ros luna. Looks like it wants cheetah template. I foud it on github but it's 7 or more years old. Is that what I want? Did it get forked and dev is on a different repository?
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• 648[06:10:44] <vahe> when the connection is ssh or vnc over wifi is not working, connection code via a LAN cable ,everything works ? connect to host 192.168.0.10x port 22: No route to host
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• 659[06:20:20] <fnljk> vahe: can your wifi-connection reach any other port on it...even ping? traceroute ?
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• 662[06:21:03] <fnljk> vahe: can your wifi-connection reach any other port on it...even ping? traceroute ?
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• 664[06:21:47] <fnljk> if not try next if both hosts can reach the same router,or as the wired connection (?)
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• 667[06:23:47] <vahe> fnljk: do not understand )
• 668[06:24:35] <fnljk> not sure i understood either :p ..
• 669[06:24:53] <fnljk> wired connection works, ssh OK ? wirelses / wifi -- "no route to host" ?
• 670[06:25:08] <vahe> fnljk: I don't know about routers I have a Debian server and router Tenda 11N
• 671[06:25:28] <vahe> wifi works for me well I'm writing to you.
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• 673[06:25:33] <fnljk> I don't know that router, and very little about linux in general and networking likewise
• 674[06:25:56] <fnljk> May be some differences in the router's setup for wifi and wired though.
• 675[06:26:02] <vahe> wired connection works SSH OK wirelses / wifi -- "no
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• 678[06:26:41] <vahe> this is a problem with all computers
• 679[06:27:03] <fnljk> For example some home routers may allow you to set it so clients can't see eachother .. may be something like that would be enabled for the wireless connections, but not others?
• 680[06:27:11] <vahe> I have not actually working ssh vnc
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• 682[06:27:30] <fnljk> yeah sounds like it's just a setting in the router somewhere then, which makes all wireless in the network behave that same way
• 683[06:27:36] <vahe> possible
• 684[06:27:58] <vahe> would know where to dig
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• 688[06:31:58] <fnljk> replaced-url
• 689[06:32:25] <fnljk> have you changed any settings at all , or most around default? not any access lists / policies, port forwarding, dmz, anything like that for any of them ?
• 690[06:33:28] <vahe> fnljk: I think not :) I have save it is a problem and a lot of things changed
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• 692[06:33:39] <vahe> or maybe changed )
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• 696[06:34:37] <fnljk> a.. im afraid could possibly be several things then.. even specifically changed settings on all the clients too? (then, all wireless clients given same settings -- as they have same issue)
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• 698[06:35:32] <fnljk> btw. may also or instead try ask at like ##networking possibly , could be may be more able n willing to help debug general networking problems there. But suggest you read thru that manual first, and maybe also google the problem and try narrow down your search-term
• 699[06:36:07] <vahe> fnljk: replaced-url
• 700[06:37:13] <fnljk> I didn't read it all , but googling this I noticed you asked this same question here last year as it came up on google-search results for #debian ~ replaced-url
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• 703[06:39:12] <fnljk> Don't think I can see your picture there btw., sorry. Not able to run Javascript right now, better if you could upload somewhere to get a direct link to the image-file instead. (ending with .jpg , .png , .gif or such instead)
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• 706[06:41:59] <codebam_> where are pam modules located in debian? I'm trying to configure fprintd
• 707[06:42:07] <vahe> fnljk: uts https :)
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• 710[06:44:09] <vahe> yes fnljk I have already 1 year I am suffering )
• 711[06:44:41] <fnljk> already using https
• 712[06:45:04] <fnljk> and wow..sorry to hear, lol :/ hmm.. ! about time to find a solution then!! shouldn't be too hard...just a little setting, surely
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• 714[06:48:12] <vahe> fnljk: Tenda N150 :D
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• 717[06:50:44] <fnljk> oh,sry.. maybe previous link was wrong then huh..sorry! .. may be this bette r~ replaced-url
• 718[06:51:48] <fnljk> you have wired clients using this as well ?
• 719[06:52:16] <fnljk> or is this extending / boosting signal of an other router , and wired are plugged into the other ?
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• 726[06:57:15] <fnljk> vahe: .. any chance your wireless adapters are not set to automatically receive IP from DHCP? - is it possible at any point it was set to specifically use a certain IP address (which may no longer work)..? otherwise, manual doesn't sem to be very long...hm
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• 729[06:58:34] <fnljk> "2. Wireless Access Control based on the mac address of wireless adapter"
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• 732[06:59:33] <fnljk> I think, as it may allow all by default , it is possible you need to use the WPS button to authenticate the wireless clients , or otherwise put them in the ere (in the "wireless access control list",
• 733[06:59:52] <codebam_> I installed libfprint0 but the file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfprint.so.0 wasn't installed?
• 734[07:00:14] <codebam_> in the package list for sid it says it should have installed it
• 735[07:00:19] <codebam_> but it didn't
• 736[07:00:21] <fnljk> vahe: (the mac addresses..). May be easier to click the WPS button, in which case I think you possibly have one on your wireless card , and on the router , and should click them around same time.
• 737[07:00:32] <codebam_> s/package/file
• 738[07:01:09] <fnljk> ensured you installed the source (as well) ? - sorry I've no idea about that really ..hmh.
• 739[07:01:23] <fnljk> (just thoguht the .so file looked.... unrefined, but again sry I dno really :p )
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• 741[07:02:24] <codebam_> fnljk: I'll try installing from source I guess. is that what you meant?
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• 743[07:05:00] <fnljk> sry, i thought it seemed like you wanted source files while i thought u (likely did) "installed" it simply doing like "apt-get install .." and that could be the reason u would be missing the .so file u would be needing for some reason.. (assuming that'd already do the compiling and all, and get rid of source files (like that .so file ?) afterwards... ) but i dunno... hopefullly that works the
• 744[07:05:05] <fnljk> ...then!
• 745[07:05:11] <vahe> thanks fnljk
• 746[07:05:19] <fnljk> good luck vahe
• 747[07:05:30] <fnljk> :)
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• 749[07:06:25] <fnljk> dam, left without saying if it worked or not.... was here last year for same thing... hopefully he's not stuck another year with the issue again then..
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• 753[07:08:34] <fnljk> weird place to ask... tbh im not really sure myself how to do that, only i'd know be to ifconfig .. ip netmask etc, and route set gw .. (or wahtever it was) to set ip & gateway, in order to use a network card...overly n00b to all this myself still ,n mostly just the cmdline:||
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• 756[07:09:53] <fnljk> another lil semi-offtopic... anyone here used Bacula with Debian and can say if that works well or not? (an open-source file-backup system).. hm. COnsidering something like that.. only Ive come up with so far sounding decent..hmz.
• 757[07:10:29] <codebam_> why not just roll your own rsync backup system using cron + rsync?
• 758[07:11:16] <fnljk> hmm..goood point, i guess..:d I wouldnt know how to start (unless its simply put a "copy command" (if thats what rsync does..however) into cron, or something :p
• 759[07:11:57] <codebam_> rsync is basically just a fancy cp which supports network uploads and resuming of backups
• 760[07:12:14] <codebam_> there should be lots of guides online to configure it with cron
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• 762[07:12:31] <fnljk> Im hoping to eventualy..maybe something like, auto-mount an encrypted volume (which again is on a disk with FDE), wher the seperate box is only available a certain period each week for accepting the backup-upload (and also holds a key-file also required for unlocking the container)
• 763[07:12:56] <codebam_> auto mounting an encrypted volume defeats the purpose of encrypting it?
• 764[07:13:20] <fnljk> aand.. would like it encrypted in-transit (during transfer)..hopefully keeping all kinda private And hopefully avoiding the worst nasty stuff like ransomware or such exploiiting some consatntly open share otherwise
• 765[07:13:34] <fnljk> yeah if someone is actively digging for how to at least
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• 767[07:14:21] <fnljk> hmh...
• 768[07:14:34] <codebam_> yeah just setup a udev rule for the drive, to mount it somewhere and run rsync to it
• 769[07:14:48] <fnljk> i dunno yet.. trying to..however, secure files hoping itd be fairly safe while at rest, in transit....and not being available on the LAN at all times or anything..
• 770[07:14:53] <codebam_> you can tar gzip the backups too
• 771[07:15:11] <codebam_> by piping the rsync command into tar
• 772[07:15:17] <codebam_> or something like that
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• 774[07:15:20] <fnljk> o.. hmh.. not sure wahat "udev rule" means i think,but...noting down,may google that shortly..thanks!
• 775[07:15:24] <fnljk> hmh..!
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• 778[07:15:55] <codebam_> udev rules are for when certain devices are inserted. so you could specify a script to run when your drive is inserted
• 779[07:15:57] <codebam_> to backup to it
• 780[07:16:04] <codebam_> I assume it's an external drive
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• 783[07:17:58] <pragomer> Hi. Im very confused. in the past I always could easily add osx to my grub2's menu on my macbook. now after a reinstall grub tells me this:
• 784[07:18:03] <pragomer> replaced-url
• 785[07:18:08] <pragomer> replaced-url
• 786[07:18:11] <pragomer> any idea?
• 787[07:18:21] <fnljk> oh..not sure it ends as i planned, or as safe anyway.. but was thinking to lock down all devices as setup initially,not allowing any other devices on any port (or..assume "panic", and do dramatic shutdown or soemthing:p) , nor want to manually have to remember doing things..hoping to eventually have it automated. preferrab made accessible independently of the other boxes (like, doing some of it it
• 788[07:18:25] <fnljk> ..on a schedule or something..
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• 790[07:19:43] <fnljk> i actually have 2 identical disks in one box here iwas thinking of trying something like that with, as you said.. before getting to anything all that much more complicated atleast.. some compress, mount ,send , dismount ...hmmh
• 791[07:20:16] <codebam_> pragomer: try running update-grub
• 792[07:20:28] <codebam_> (as root)
• 793[07:20:30] <fnljk> (and atleast somehow on auto I was hoping). .. mostly scared of these nasty ransomware things..ugh. Hate that stuff.. would hate to get anything like that, lol
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• 796[07:21:14] <codebam_> fnljk: no point in compressing before sending, you can do it at the same time
• 797[07:21:25] <fnljk> was thinking to avoid ransomware potentially messing around with things in the LAN and screwing up a backup-box, to have it force-seperated, except making itself available a certain day each week, or something
• 798[07:21:28] <fnljk> oh..
• 799[07:21:30] <cef> fnljk: you might want to look at rsnapshot and rbackup, which are tools that wrap around rsync. both have different reasons you might want to use them. and you can rsync over ssh with little effort (inc with both those tools from memory)
• 800[07:21:42] <pragomer> already did codebam
• 801[07:22:06] <codebam_> pragomer: hmm not sure then, sorry. maybe someone else here knows
• 802[07:22:24] <fnljk> k... noting it all down:d ..thnks guys!... pretty sure Ive seen those names on the "apt-cache search .." list before,just never got aroudn to look more into them actually:)..maybe soon then
• 803[07:22:54] <cef> codebam_ & fnljk: re: compression before or on the fly - depends on your cpu/ram requirements for compression and what you're sending too.
• 804[07:23:15] <codebam_> cef: well I meant that you can pipe it using tar
• 805[07:23:29] <fnljk> yeah was just thinking abotu that.. will have to consider that old comp..see how fsat it can do, and eventually the network transfer speed of it all then:]
• 806[07:24:08] <fnljk> not even sure about which comp and other equipment to use yet..should work! :)
• 807[07:24:11] <cef> fnljk: yeah.. if you can spare cpu power/disk/time and want to reduce the traffic as much, there's all sorts of options for compression.
• 808[07:24:27] <cef> (as much as possible)
• 809[07:25:11] <codebam_> it might not even be worth it to compress if it's a really old system
• 810[07:26:12] <cef> if you're using rsync, in many ways it's not worth pre-compressing the data.. use SSH compression or similar. rsync's differential algorithms will only send the "differences".. depends on your data tho.
• 811[07:26:28] <fnljk> yeah lots of diffrent compression software ive found... and apparently may depend on what kinda files to be compressed too... hhhh.. will get to that.. hopefullly wont be too important or overly different
• 812[07:26:51] <fnljk> o.hm...
• 813[07:26:52] <codebam_> you could make encrypted backups using something like tar -cvzf / - | gpg --symmetric --cipher-algo aes256 > mybackup.gpg
• 814[07:27:35] <fnljk> btw.. that backup method, however/whatever.. it includes a way to ensure file-integrity right.. if not anyway another thing ill have to ensure (avoid corrupted ones after stopping mid-transfer..)
• 815[07:27:41] <fnljk> hm
• 816[07:27:58] <fnljk> that seems interesting^^ (esp. with the encryption part too:d :))
• 817[07:28:08] <codebam_> fnljk: rsync lets you resume backups
• 818[07:28:09] <cef> rsync? if it drops out mid-transfer, you can just restart and it'll continue.
• 819[07:28:13] <fnljk> think ive seen somewhere similar before, but never figured what that did.. itneresting...
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• 823[07:28:25] <fnljk> cool
• 824[07:28:45] <cef> but if you stop mid transfer, it'll only guarantee file-level integrity
• 825[07:29:14] <cef> eg: you have 5 files, 3 get thru, it's on the 4th, connection drops. you'll have 1-3 new, 4-5 old.
• 826[07:29:38] <fnljk> yeah hopefully i'll have ways to make sure its continued or fixed somehow.
• 827[07:29:53] <cef> it needs to keep the old ones around till their transfer has ended as it compares hashes for parts of the files at each end to see what to send.
• 828[07:30:08] <fnljk> anyway.. once a week... nothing im doing atm at least would be all that much of a loss then,and hopefully be pretty well secured!
• 829[07:30:11] <pragomer> perhaps this helps. this is what I added to 40-custom: replaced-url
• 830[07:30:12] <somiaj> rsync uses checks (usually file size) to determine if it should transfer a file or not, so it does allow resume, but doesn't nesicarally start at the exact point you lost the transfer. Though this can be configured, you can use md5sums as well
• 831[07:30:31] <somiaj> but it is nice, when backing up, only copy files that have changed.
• 832[07:30:32] <cef> only then does it rename them, and delete the orig file.
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• 835[07:31:14] <fnljk> nice
• 836[07:31:39] <cef> somiaj: it uses file size, then file dates, then it breaks the file into parts and compares pieces (unless you're using whole file mode, which afaik isn't the default).
• 837[07:31:51] <somiaj> you can also configure it to make backups of any file that has changed, so you have a full backup, or make it keep one additional backup. By default it is more a mirror tool, but can also be used as a backup tool if configured correctly.
• 838[07:31:53] <cef> ie: in that order .. been a while since I've looked thru the rsync code.
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• 840[07:32:32] <somiaj> cef: yea, there are flags if you really wanted to do md5sum checks, file size I think is to transfer the file, I think if the dates change it may not transfer the file, but only update the date (though I'm thinking atime here)
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• 842[07:33:03] <cef> somiaj: it'll transfer the file if it's changed internally. eg: same size, diff contents.
• 843[07:33:30] <somiaj> cef: yea, I didn't think it did much checking like that by default. Though I will admit I don't know all the details
• 844[07:34:03] <cef> can't remember if it uses date or file size by default first.. one of them is less expensive to check disk wise on some platforms.
• 845[07:34:44] <somiaj> I know it also updates atimes, to keep thingsin sync, and does this without transfering the file. Same I think with permissions.
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• 847[07:36:45] <cef> fnljk: def look into wrapper tools like rssnapshot or rbackup tho. lots of stuff out there (google) for setting up secure SSH destinations for these things too (eg: user can only be used for rsync, in a chroot, etc).
• 848[07:36:46] <somiaj> cef: but this is where I'm unsure, not all checks result in transfering a new file, just updating the changes (such as permsision or atime)
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• 850[07:37:42] <cef> somiaj: atime def doesn't.. it's only access after all.. think it's ctime or mtime (been a while.. haven't looked ta rsync code since 2.x)
• 851[07:38:55] <cef> somiaj: that said, if the files are identical apart from ctime/mtime/permissions, there'
• 852[07:39:09] <cef> somiaj: that said, if the files are identical apart from ctime/mtime/permissions, there's no need to transfer anything anyway, just update.
• 853[07:39:30] <somiaj> fnljk: the main thing to be aware of with rsync is if you want a full backup solution you'll have to do some configuring/scripting for your setup. There are other tools that by default are more configured for a full backup solution (here I mean being able to recover a file at any version between backups, not just the last copy backed up)
• 854[07:40:37] <cef> eg: mysqldump of a DB that almost never changes, but gets re-created every day. you want it updated ctime/mtime so you know it's up to date, but the content doesn't change, so you don't send the full file, just confirm (by hashing) the contents are the same.
• 855[07:41:02] <fnljk> sry was afk a bit.. thanks^!..reading, and writing it down! :-))
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• 857[07:42:07] <codebam_> somiaj: could git be used for something like that?
• 858[07:42:10] <cef> fnljk: `rsnapshot` is mainly for a central backup system that pulls the data back from the clients. `rbackup` I think works more pushing up to a central server.
• 859[07:42:46] <somiaj> codebam_: I know people who use git for backup, it is already preconfigured for such a thing and store the data in a very efficent method.
• 860[07:42:58] <codebam_> oh cool cool
• 861[07:43:02] <codebam_> interesting
• 862[07:43:10] <somiaj> codebam_: though since ssh/rsync is fairly standard on most linux systems, setting up a git server may take a bit more work.
• 863[07:43:50] <codebam_> oh yep that's a good point
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• 865[07:45:29] <cef> aha.. sorry,.. I keep saying rbackup and I mean rdiff-backup
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• 867[07:45:50] <somiaj> cef: oh I thought you were talking about a similar tool to rdiff-backup
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• 869[07:46:37] <cef> somiaj: there's a wrapper for rdiff-backup called rBackup.. which is probably what I was thinking of.. but it's still using rdiff-backup at the core.
• 870[07:46:57] <codebam_> or rdiff-backup would be similar to using git I guess
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• 872[07:47:04] <codebam_> s/or/oh
• 873[07:47:30] <fnljk> git.. using github.com as storage kinda u mean..?
• 874[07:47:37] <somiaj> similar, I think git is more efficent at how it uses diffs, though git also contains lots of other overhead of branches, merging, etc.
• 875[07:48:05] <somiaj> fnljk: git is version control system, though github is big, there are lots of other git servers out there, you could even run your own.
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• 879[07:49:14] <cef> been a while since i used rdiff-backup.. I tend to use rsnapshot more often.
• 880[07:49:21] <fnljk> oh.. k.
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• 888[07:53:31] <cef> rsnapshot gives you dirs that contain the intervals of your backups directly in readable form. ie: you can keep hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly snapshots of your backups directly accessible as files using hardlinks to join identical files (so you only store complete churned copies of files). if you expect to need to go back a few backups often, it can make quite a difference to how long it takes you to recover things.. least, if it's all on the same
• 889[07:53:32] <cef> machine.. transfer time has a tendency to dominate over that.
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• 891[07:54:32] <codebam_> anyone here know how to enable pam_fprintd.so in debian?
• 892[07:54:48] <codebam_> installing libfprint0 and fprintd didn't supply it
• 893[07:55:27] <somiaj> ,v libpam-fprintd
• 894[07:55:28] <judd> Package: libpam-fprintd on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.1-5-g73edad0-3; jessie: 0.5.1-1; jessie-backports: 0.6.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.7.0-1; stretch: 0.7.0-1
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• 896[07:55:54] <codebam_> thank you
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• 898[07:56:13] <codebam_> somiaj: you're awesome
• 899[07:56:20] <codebam_> I was trying to figure that out for hours
• 900[07:56:30] <somiaj> codebam_: apt-cache search fprintd
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• 903[07:57:04] <codebam_> probably should have done that...
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• 915[08:04:38] <vahe> fnljk: AP Isolation :D
• 916[08:04:53] <vahe> I found the problem
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• 921[08:05:36] <fnljk> vahe: cool, nice! :)
• 922[08:05:52] <vahe> yup thanks
• 923[08:06:34] <AlexLikeRock> 16 cores and 32 threads
• 924[08:06:43] <AlexLikeRock> debian its ready ?
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• 1027[09:23:16] <d9867eb> hello
• 1028[09:24:01] <fnljk> ni hao
• 1029[09:25:09] <d9867eb> fnljk, do you have any systemd experience?
• 1030[09:26:28] <fnljk> uh, well... atleast a half- or dozen times Ive been told some service ain't workin, and to type ... whatever it was, to get some output from there.... vague memory having enabled, disabled, made a file somewhere for one even, and followed some guide and set some runlevels for a service ..which turned out to not work ..
• 1031[09:26:59] <fnljk> ...mostly just the .. whateveri t was, it suggests two commands for reading error output from systemd (?) if services go erroneous after a restart..
• 1032[09:27:19] <fnljk> .... think that's a no - sorry. Not even sure what it is, besides possibly some sorta service-management framework... or something .. :z
• 1033[09:28:04] <d9867eb> well, it seems like removed a important part of systemd by mistake and now stuff wont work and I CBA to resinstall.
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• 1035[09:28:42] <fnljk> oi.. well, if not me, may be an other here could add input on it.
• 1036[09:28:47] <fnljk> ... go on.. ?
• 1037[09:29:27] <fnljk> "mistake? what important part, or that makes u think its important..? what doesn't work, .. and what does "doesn't work" mean-error messages?(-what)... :S
• 1038[09:29:34] <themill> d9867eb: a starting point would be to pastebin some details
• 1039[09:29:49] <fnljk> do you have a .bash_history file to possibly see back what exactly you entered for it to happen..?
• 1040[09:30:33] <d9867eb> this happend a long time ago
• 1041[09:30:45] <d9867eb> but I need to fix it
• 1042[09:31:14] <d9867eb> replaced-url
• 1043[09:31:20] <fnljk> yeah, pastebin sounds good idea.. add any and all error or relevant bit then, as n00bs like myself often only know tid bits here and there, and missing something,even seemingly small, could lead to "wtf ,sry, no idea" :\ while bit more could possibly-tho unlikely- be able to add somthng on at times..
• 1044[09:32:00] <d9867eb> I need systemd user sessions.
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• 1046[09:32:13] <fnljk> mmh..sry i talk too much I guess, also ..as n00b as I'm to most of this.. better let the next newb (?) in like take my place as fairly sure would know lots more than me neway.... :\
• 1047[09:32:23] <themill> d9867eb: which release of debian is this?
• 1048[09:32:30] <d9867eb> stretch
• 1049[09:32:44] <fnljk> what u mean user session.. running as a specific user? what've you tried already ,eventually didn't work, or haven't tried (if anything; like that you were unsure of .. )
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• 1052[09:33:20] <d9867eb> running systemd service from .config/systemd/user
• 1053[09:33:34] <d9867eb> that is what I want
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• 1056[09:34:15] <d9867eb> I uninstalled polkit-1 by mistake a long time ago
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• 1059[09:35:25] <d9867eb> fnljk: do you have debian problem too?
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• 1063[09:36:28] <fnljk> hm, occasionally atleast.. not rarely:d RIght now.. likely.. nothing that stops me from booting at the time on the main box i use tho. Some red errors flying by among the text as it shuts down (i think-) atleast when it boots up.... possibly mentioning kernel /yikes!) in it even,but unsure..
• 1064[09:36:43] <fnljk> anyway, all's good for now again..live another da!
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• 1066[09:37:11] <fnljk> ive tried setting up similar on various boxes for..reasons i cant remember too much of.. possibly things requiring non-root privs
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• 1069[09:38:01] <fnljk> oh yeah, like vnc-server (or one kind of anyawy) at least, i think...was messing with... user-levels .. or something with taht for a while.... got a bit different outcome on diff boxes, one using ...lxde, another gnome/whatever else ...
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• 1072[09:38:42] <d9867eb> the log i sent was journalctl -u user@1000
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• 1077[09:40:00] <fnljk> replaced-url
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• 1079[09:40:10] <fnljk> ..may of any use..
• 1080[09:40:49] <d9867eb> fnljk: thanks but I think some package is missing
• 1081[09:41:38] <fnljk> oo..ouch... i hate that.. dpkg-conf error or something..?... god bless, hopefully something minor and it all over soon ... maye just me bein dum but ive had varying luck witht those situations =s (usually fine tho!:)
• 1082[09:41:59] <d9867eb> fnljk: yeah
• 1083[09:42:21] <fnljk> ...or .. just missing .. maybe im careless(?) or dumb, but i'd.... typiaclly install any seemingly semi-realted as the dependency id need if i can't find it otherwise
• 1084[09:42:26] <fnljk> anyway
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• 1086[09:42:58] <fnljk> ... if w me to waste my energy hammering google or such instead, if you cant find any more or w/e.. say then ni may tr help search around at least.
• 1087[09:43:22] <fnljk> (dependencey.... guessing u know which path to head knowing as much already tho , eh)
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• 1089[09:44:47] <fnljk> dependencies was actually what put me off linux first time i tried it.. I don't know when that was, but prolly not much above 10, if not less... something I did... tonna errors, missing dependencies.. finally google around for the one i need to compile...find right compiler-needed same as kernel was compiled with..something like that.. and parameters, etc.. and one or three more dependencies b4 i
• 1090[09:45:40] <fnljk> ..i gave up, each time getting a new page-long list of new dependencies that some new dependency depended on, etc...... i could have had nightmares abbout those things, seemed like eternal digging in... text and numbers, weird sutff... ugh :|
• 1091[09:45:59] <d9867eb> hmm
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• 1093[09:47:01] <fnljk> (i still screw it up on occasion.. dunno if thats a bug or my fat fingers or clumsiness..... some times I enter several things to install ("apt-get install this that another andthis plusthis andyetanother ohandthis") ... and it has a promptt "warning this will REMOVE:" , where id usually try them one-by-one, or "apt show" and see which one would conflict.. but sometimes it just goes oni its merry
• 1094[09:47:36] <fnljk> ..way.. more than once, and typically screwing up some fairly critical stuff I really didnt want it to then:P lol. (im mostly just n00bing around tho... but stilll, meh)
• 1095[09:47:38] <d9867eb> apt is pretty good at resolving depends. some other distros that I have been running have package manager that are not so good
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• 1098[09:48:31] <fnljk> yeah, i cant remember all these tools i installed on one box earlier... was alot atleast.. right now i think i only have....uh, on most anyway.. some very bsaic...cant remember names of, besides "needrestart"-- despite its annoying loading time which appears to add alot to the full completion time..
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• 1101[09:49:44] <fnljk> and.. something alerting of bugs, or conflics, i think..can't remember.. i usualy try get al of those thigns -- EXCEPT (and im very careful picking them out)..ones that end up conflicting, or "screwing" thigns up (i mean...me installing too much too fast without knowing what it is ..... Im sure most or all would be solvable too, had i only known how.. - assuming often gotten too much to bother
• 1102[09:51:03] <d9867eb> oh crap I think I am going to need to reinstall debian
• 1103[09:51:04] <themill> d9867eb: what's not working?
• 1104[09:51:54] <d9867eb> systemd user sessions
• 1105[09:52:00] <themill> what about them is not working?
• 1106[09:52:04] <fnljk> reinstall,the n00bs solution-- as ive been telling myself swearing there must had been *some* other way, maybe easy even...... it was just so much, mass of a tangle, i often didnt even botehr try asking for help, lol :| (i prly fked alot b4 askin..)
• 1107[09:52:30] <fnljk> did u check any of the links, like..?~> replaced-url
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• 1109[09:52:37] <d9867eb> fnljk: yeah i know but I dont see a solution to this
• 1110[09:52:39] <themill> d9867eb: your paste shows that the session has started just fine but that the gpg-agent unit didn't start
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• 1113[09:53:59] <d9867eb> themill: I get "failed to connect bus" when I run systemctl --user
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• 1115[09:54:15] <d9867eb> themill: what do I need to do?
• 1116[09:54:30] <fnljk> try consult the internet search machine replaced-url
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• 1120[09:54:59] <themill> fnljk: in case you're wondering, you're not as helpful as you think you are.
• 1121[09:55:31] <fnljk> hmm.. or maybe you' dnot know how helpful i think i am.. !
• 1122[09:56:22] <fnljk> also, says starting umgr for uid 1000... next line it says uid 0.. ?
• 1123[09:56:22] <d9867eb> themill: how do I fix the gnupg daemon?
• 1124[09:56:37] <themill> d9867eb: is this after having done some large upgrade? does this failure persist across reboots?
• 1125[09:57:18] <d9867eb> themill: yes it persist reboots, I have had this for a long time
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• 1127[09:59:13] <themill> d9867eb: is dbus-user-session installed?
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• 1129[09:59:53] <d9867eb> seems like it isnt
• 1130[10:00:17] <d9867eb> themill: I should install that?
• 1131[10:00:17] <themill> how do you log in btw?
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• 1133[10:00:31] <d9867eb> themill: with ssh
• 1134[10:00:40] <d9867eb> themill: or telnet
• 1135[10:00:49] <themill> ‽
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• 1137[10:01:08] <d9867eb> logged in with ssh right now
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• 1140[10:01:13] <themill> You probably don't have a dbus session running if you're logging in over ssh
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• 1142[10:01:58] <d9867eb> I should install that, right?
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• 1147[10:05:02] <themill> dbus-user-session is certainly part of setting up your dbus session
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• 1149[10:05:24] <d9867eb> themill: I installed dbus-user-session
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• 1152[10:07:53] <d9867eb> themill: after installing dbus-user-session and a reboot I still get "failed to connect to bus" when running systemctl --user
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• 1158[10:11:03] <themill> d9867eb: do you have libpam-systemd or systemd-shim?
• 1159[10:11:25] <d9867eb> themill: I have libpam-systemd
• 1160[10:12:06] <themill> hmm
• 1161[10:12:48] <d9867eb> I installed policykit-1 this morning
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• 1227[11:06:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> don't see that in pcmanfm
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• 1310[11:51:59] <pragomer> is it possible to setup cryptsetup/luks for rootpartition (onyl have on partition) after installation?
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• 1313[11:53:44] <OxOO> Would it be possible to make a script (or other solution) that if some conditions on the system are met, it prevents a command (or several) from being run (needs only to be restricted from non root users) and outputs an info msg on the terminal instead? If conditions are not met then the user should be able to run the command as usual
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• 1403[12:49:53] <lasdam> hi #debian. I reinstalled debian a couple of weeks ago and ended up having this problem for the first time very soon after with the commands adduser/deluser/addgroup/delgroup that they exit with error code 10 when groupadd -g gid groupname is run, errormsg: groupadd: failure while writing changes to /etc/group
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• 1407[12:51:34] <lasdam> teraflops: no
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• 1409[12:51:52] <teraflops> lasdam: is it a laptop/pc?
• 1410[12:52:07] <lasdam> I was gonna say I don't have selinux or anything installed, I have been googling for answers, etc. there's also no group.lock and shadow.lock files
• 1411[12:52:15] <lasdam> laptop
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• 1413[12:53:07] <lasdam> all packages up to date, latest stable debian version
• 1414[12:54:08] <teraflops> lasdam: no, custom repos in your sources.list or weird packages installed by hand?
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• 1418[12:54:25] <teraflops> i meant "no custom repos"
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• 1420[12:54:48] <jelly> lasdam: are you running those as root?
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• 1426[12:56:34] <teraflops> apart from that and what jelly pointed, unless your disk is faulty exactly where that file is located I have no idea
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• 1430[12:58:27] <d9867eb> hello
• 1431[12:58:29] <lasdam> teraflops: no. I may have enabled backports for some single package, forgot which. also, I don't know what it's called, but I ran the command to enable i386 packages or whatever (needed it to run one x32 windows application with wine32) using dpkg
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• 1433[12:58:55] <lasdam> but I had done that once before on a previous debian installation without problem. and yes @jelly I'm running those as root
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• 1436[13:00:29] <d9867eb> i get "cannot connect to bus" when running systemctl --user. also my $XDG_RUNTIM_DIR is unset.
• 1437[13:00:48] <d9867eb> $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
• 1438[13:01:04] <teraflops> d9867eb: as root?
• 1439[13:01:25] <teraflops> locally? remotely?
• 1440[13:01:38] <d9867eb> withh ssh
• 1441[13:01:41] <teraflops> di you sudo su or simething like that?
• 1442[13:01:42] <jelly> d9867eb: and you installed that dbus-user-session?
• 1443[13:01:46] <d9867eb> as my won user
• 1444[13:01:53] <d9867eb> yes
• 1445[13:02:05] <d9867eb> my own
• 1446[13:02:51] <d9867eb> i was here earlier about this
• 1447[13:03:05] <teraflops> d9867eb: what's the output of systemctl status systemd-user-sessions.service
• 1448[13:03:25] <jelly> lasdam: which debian release is this? Which filesystem type is /etc/group stored on? Is there a custom kernel in place? pastebin all the answers and the output of "strace groupadd -g 777 luckygroup" or similar.
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• 1452[13:04:30] <teraflops> d9867eb: also tried with fresh new user too?
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• 1454[13:05:18] <jelly> !paste
• 1455[13:05:40] <d9867eb> replaced-url
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• 1460[13:07:12] <d9867eb> this is stretch, /etc/group is on a lvm2 ext4, no custom kernel
• 1461[13:07:23] <teraflops> d9867eb: tried with fresh new user too?
• 1462[13:07:32] <d9867eb> no
• 1463[13:07:39] <d9867eb> i will do now
• 1464[13:07:42] <teraflops> d9867eb: what jelly asked wasnt for you ;)
• 1465[13:08:22] <teraflops> d9867eb: please if you dont mind avoid pastebin.com
• 1466[13:08:29] <jelly> !paste
• 1467[13:08:29] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1470[13:10:09] <d9867eb> teraflops: oh sorry
• 1471[13:10:14] <teraflops> np
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• 1473[13:10:25] <teraflops> d9867eb: mhm are doing ssh to a VPS?
• 1474[13:10:55] <lasdam> jelly: replaced-url
• 1475[13:11:01] <d9867eb> teraflops: it is my own server
• 1476[13:11:17] <d9867eb> teraflops: not a vps
• 1477[13:11:32] <teraflops> d9867eb: real hw one? not openvz container or similar?
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• 1479[13:12:02] <d9867eb> teraflops: no a celeron proccessor
• 1480[13:12:05] <teraflops> ok
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• 1482[13:12:30] <jelly> rename("/etc/group+", "/etc/group") = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
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• 1484[13:12:51] <teraflops> I read a similar bug jelly
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• 1486[13:13:18] <d9867eb> teraflops: so what should I do?
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• 1488[13:14:00] <teraflops> d9867eb: tried with a fresh user?
• 1489[13:14:24] <d9867eb> teraflops: yes different error
• 1490[13:14:43] <teraflops> ^
• 1491[13:14:53] <jelly> lasdam: pastebin the output of "df" and "cat /proc/mounts" as root, are there any bind mounts in place?
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• 1493[13:15:00] <d9867eb> teraflops: my own user = "failed to connect bus: file does not exist"
• 1494[13:15:22] <jelly> d9867eb: does this persist across reboots?
• 1495[13:15:24] <teraflops> lasdam: also check your fstab
• 1496[13:15:30] <d9867eb> teraflops: new user = "failed to connect bus: permission denied"
• 1497[13:15:39] <teraflops> d9867eb: paste full error outputs please
• 1498[13:15:41] <jelly> why would fstab matter
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• 1500[13:16:00] <d9867eb> teraflops: yes it does
• 1501[13:16:32] <d9867eb> teraflops: new user = Failed to connect to bus: Permission denied
• 1502[13:16:42] <teraflops> jelly: weird mounts, chroots, ro fs…
• 1503[13:16:57] <d9867eb> teraflops: ran systemctl --user
• 1504[13:17:04] <teraflops> d9867eb: did you do weird things as root?
• 1505[13:17:07] <jelly> teraflops: and they're not going to be visible in /proc/mounts?
• 1506[13:17:10] <lasdam> teraflops: replaced-url
• 1507[13:17:20] <teraflops> jelly: right
• 1508[13:17:49] <teraflops> lasdam: sorry I dont click pastebin.com links
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• 1510[13:18:12] <jelly> lasdam: sadly, nothing weird there
• 1511[13:18:48] <d9867eb> teraflops: Failed to connect to bus: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
• 1512[13:18:53] <teraflops> d9867eb: what's the output of ls -la /run/user/1000
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• 1514[13:19:14] <d9867eb> teraflops: my own user
• 1515[13:19:31] <teraflops> d9867eb: please paste the exact errors
• 1516[13:19:36] <d9867eb> teraflops: yes kind of, this problem appeared a long time ago
• 1517[13:19:45] <lasdam> teraflops: replaced-url
• 1518[13:19:59] <d9867eb> teraflops: of what?
• 1519[13:20:20] <teraflops> of all the commands people ask you
• 1520[13:20:40] <d9867eb> teraflops: those were the exact errors of systemctl --user
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• 1522[13:21:07] <teraflops> lasdam: odd issue youre having
• 1523[13:21:10] <d9867eb> teraflops: tell me what to post then
• 1524[13:21:27] <d9867eb> teraflops: please
• 1525[13:21:53] <jelly> lasdam: any other processes holding /etc/group open? fuser /etc/group (as root)
• 1526[13:22:10] <lasdam> jelly: nope
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• 1528[13:22:29] <jelly> lasdam: lsattr /etc/group
• 1529[13:22:36] <teraflops> d9867eb: what's the output of id
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• 1531[13:22:43] <lasdam> -------------e-- /etc/group
• 1532[13:22:55] <jelly> that's also normal
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• 1534[13:23:33] <d9867eb> teraflops: my own user: uid=1000(d9867eb) gid=1000(d9867eb) grupper=1000(d9867eb),4(adm),8(mail),27(sudo),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),108(netdev),115(debian-deluged)
• 1535[13:23:57] <jelly> lasdam: is there anything weird in dmesg ? I'm running out of things to check.
• 1536[13:24:01] <d9867eb> teraflops: new user: uid=1002(test) gid=1002(test) groups=1002(test)
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• 1540[13:25:37] <lasdam> jelly: replaced-url
• 1541[13:25:38] <g4m3r> holla
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• 1548[13:29:21] <jelly> lasdam: nothing immediately related. You seem to have intermittent overheating issues on this system. Maybe the filesystem is broken in a subtle way and a fsck -f from a live cd would help.
• 1549[13:29:28] <teraflops> d9867eb: is it a fresh install, did you mess with systemd in odd ways? is it stock debian?
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• 1554[13:30:41] <teraflops> because it seems it got wonky. I'd try export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$UID" and export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="unix:path=${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/bus" then systemctl --user
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• 1560[13:32:12] <jelly> lasdam: otherwise, it's unusual that a rename() syscall would give EBUSY which documentation suggests is supposed to only happen with directories, not regular files
• 1561[13:32:26] <d9867eb> teraflops: it have had it for about 5 monts, I uninstalled polickit-1 becuase I thought I was something for desktops only and reinstalled it when theese problems appeaered. stock debian?
• 1562[13:32:29] <lasdam> jelly: yeah, I get those overheating issues when I use livestream to watch streams with too high resolutions and 60 fps. still trying to find the sweet spot. I'll try out fsck
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• 1564[13:32:41] <d9867eb> teraflops: policykit-1
• 1565[13:33:10] <lasdam> I mean basically stressing the gpu...
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• 1567[13:34:18] <lasdam> thanks a lot for the help/your time and suggestions and stuff, and I'll be back after fsck is done
• 1568[13:34:40] <jelly> I doubt that will make a difference, but who knows
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• 1595[13:50:59] <lasdam> jelly: the results are even weirder than the problem imo... fsck didn't report anything, just saying the filesystem was clean or whatever, but rebooted back into the system and now addgroup works o.0
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• 1656[14:28:08] <ead0dc93> looking for a modern-day laptop to run debian without compatibility issues.
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• 1658[14:28:58] <ead0dc93> any recommendations ?
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• 1665[14:31:35] <dvs> ead0dc93, I use a ThinkPad E560 and it's working fine.
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• 1676[14:36:05] <pragomer> how can I login direct to fluxbox without any display manager? at the moment I have to login in terminal and then startx
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• 1682[14:40:55] <jelly> pragomer: set up a *dm with autologin functionality?
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• 1684[14:41:20] <imr> or just use bashrc to do it
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• 1688[14:41:55] <jelly> they still need to autologin _somehow_
• 1689[14:42:04] <imr> right
• 1690[14:42:15] <jasonwc> Is there a reason that Gnome-Software-Manager wants to reboot the system for every OS update? Seems very Windows-like. You can simply install the updates and needrestart will tell you what services to restart.
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• 1692[14:44:44] <jasonwc> Also, has anyone successfully added their GMail account to Thunderbird in Stretch? It automatically selects the correct settings but the OATH page for Google never gets past entering the username/email address. Clicking OK to proceed just doesn't do anything.
• 1693[14:45:09] <jasonwc> clicking Next, I should say
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• 1779[15:37:08] <tsuyubo> hi, i have updated kernel, but wireless doesn't work
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• 1782[15:37:42] <tsuyubo> May i update fireware?
• 1783[15:38:11] <jelly> tsuyubo: updated kernel from what to what
• 1784[15:38:22] <dvs> and from where?
• 1785[15:39:19] <tsuyubo> jelly: hello, i use source code from kernel.org
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• 1789[15:40:15] <jelly> make sure you have firmware matching the kernel version
• 1790[15:40:15] <tsuyubo> use deb-pkg way
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• 1792[15:41:01] <tsuyubo> Could you give me a hit, how to match?
• 1793[15:41:22] <tsuyubo> my kernel version is 4.11-rc3+
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• 1797[15:44:09] <jelly> no idea how firmware is managed upstream these days, sorry
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• 1800[15:44:42] <tsuyubo> In addition, the eth does work normally
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• 1807[15:47:51] <glick> hi
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• 1809[15:48:00] <glick> is anyone awake
• 1810[15:48:13] <at0m> !ask
• 1811[15:48:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1812[15:48:27] <glick> can anyone recommend a good lightweight window manager for my 10 year old laptop
• 1813[15:48:32] <glick> right now im using mate
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• 1815[15:48:45] <glick> but maybe a nice lightweight tiling mangaer would be nice
• 1816[15:49:01] <lost_soul> I like i3, openbox
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• 1825[15:52:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
• 1826[15:53:23] <tsuyubo> My personlly method is running 'modinfo iwlwifi', according to firmware: to download firmware , is't ok?
• 1827[15:53:26] <lost_soul> BluesKaj: hello, and welcome
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• 1829[15:54:02] <BluesKaj> hi lost_soul
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• 1879[16:18:55] <BluesKaj> well, just had a kernel panic on my stretch install right ot of the blue, everything seemed fine yesterday before I shut down. Most likely need to reinstall to / , since I have no idea how to deal with this
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• 1882[16:19:39] <BluesKaj> tried the other kernel both regular and recovery , same result
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• 1886[16:24:18] <BluesKaj> it's not a HW issue since I'm dual booting with Kubuntu 17.10 dev OS on the same ssd
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• 1893[16:26:40] <JyZyXEL> how can i get a list of all the non-free packages installed in my system?
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• 1929[16:45:10] <max9> hey do you know some good image sharing site, which is not behind cloudflare and works fine with tor ips? (not imgur)
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• 1989[17:21:50] <dirac1> Any one here tried wayland on debian?.
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• 2014[17:32:20] <glick_> Hi
• 2015[17:32:52] <glick_> Yay! I finally got sound on my librebooted x200!
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• 2021[17:35:09] <max9> congratulations glick_ , nice to hear
• 2022[17:35:47] <glick_> Thanks :D
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• 2044[17:44:49] <sine0> if i do this command locally it allows me to access the router from my home address, but im only specifying a single ip, how can i make it let me browse any website through my toher server? ssh -L 1234:192.168.0.1:80 sine@homeserver
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• 2046[17:45:15] <sine0> pipes ?
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• 2053[17:47:14] <th0r> sine0, have you considered X forwarding? letting the browser run on the server, but appear on the home computer?
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• 2055[17:47:52] <sine0> no i havent set that up
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• 2057[17:48:12] <sine0> its a low spec android device
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• 2065[17:49:49] <th0r> sine0, the server or the home computer? I use vnc to access raspbian pixel from an android tablet
• 2066[17:50:04] <glick> when will i be able to change my Mate desktop wallpaper again?
• 2067[17:50:16] <glick> after my stretch upgrade i havent been able to change it
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• 2099[18:00:28] <zykotick9> JyZyXEL: one method would be to install the vrms package, it'll list what you have installed from contrib & non-free.
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• 2112[18:06:34] <bmomjian1> I noticed that /proc/cpuinfo didn't show 'aes' and finally realized that my Supermicro BIOS (era 2011) defaulted to AES-NI as disabled. Any idea why that is true? Enabling it in the BIOS fixed it.
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• 2131[18:14:01] <missmbob> probably because in 2011 the perfermance hit was quite a bit more noticeable
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• 2137[18:18:19] <bmomjian1> I ran tests outlined here and found the AES-NI speedup was 3x on my E5620 @ 2.40GHz cpus: replaced-url
• 2138[18:18:43] <bmomjian1> you mean there is performance hit in having it enabled?
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• 2142[18:19:30] <bmomjian1> I just went to https on some of my webpages, like my blog, so having it enabled seems good, e.g. replaced-url
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• 2150[18:22:19] <jasonwc> It seems I am running into this apt bug - replaced-url
• 2151[18:22:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2155[18:23:06] <jasonwc> With the default permissions of 600, apt can't verify the signatures of the GPG keys. I can install software but the packages are presumably not validated.
• 2156[18:23:19] <jasonwc> If I change permissions to 644, it complains that it doesn't have any of the public keys in my keyring.
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• 2159[18:23:43] <jasonwc> Shouldn't those keys be part of the debian-archive-keyring package?
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• 2161[18:26:23] <jasonwc> This is what I'm seeing
• 2162[18:26:25] <jasonwc> replaced-url
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• 2235[18:57:28] <armin> i'm getting libvirtError: unsupported configuration: CPU mode 'custom' for x86_64 kvm domain on x86_64 host is not supported by hypervisor when trying to install a VM in virt-manager. anyone a clue what one should do?
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• 2246[19:02:26] <zykotick9> armin: you might want to try the #virt channel on the OFTC network...
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• 2288[19:28:51] <ofog|bartar> where does an email located when a server receive an email?
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• 2292[19:29:31] <sleepyhead> ofog|bartar: the mta deals with it. postfix, sendmail and exim are common ones
• 2293[19:29:44] <sleepyhead> ofog|bartar: if it's to be delivered locally it'll be put in the user's maildir
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• 2298[19:31:00] <ofog|bartar> sleepyhead, So; I just have postfix installed. ( I didn't do the setting up, I am just using the server and i have root access).
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• 2300[19:31:21] <sleepyhead> ofog|bartar: check the mail log to see where the message was sent
• 2301[19:31:30] <ofog|bartar> I send an email from gmail to a user on my server. where could i find it?
• 2302[19:31:31] <sleepyhead> it'll be in /var/log/mail.log or something
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• 2304[19:32:06] <sleepyhead> ofog|bartar: or you could `sudo -u username mail`
• 2305[19:32:23] <sleepyhead> ofog|bartar: to read their mail
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• 2352[20:00:09] <balak> hey guys i have just bootstraped a debian image, but when i try to chroot into it i get this error "FATAL: kernel too old"
• 2353[20:01:30] <x42> what kernel is it?
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• 2362[20:03:57] <max9> well, it's debian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2363[20:04:09] <balak> Linux kindle 2.6.31-rt11-lab126 #5 Sat Jan 12 20:39:09 PST 2013 armv7l unknown
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• 2365[20:05:53] <balak> x42 max9 , should i downgrade the images kernel too ?
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• 2373[20:09:58] <SynrG> seems to be a fread.ink kernel, so this is not a pure debian system
• 2374[20:10:06] <SynrG> you should talk to that project about it.
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• 2379[20:11:19] <SynrG> i mean, if you're trying to get jessie working, that kernel does indeed seem rather old ...
• 2380[20:11:36] <SynrG> and in any case, we couldn't support it.
• 2381[20:11:45] <SynrG> they have nothing more recent?
• 2382[20:12:38] <balak> i believe they dont, its the one on the kindle reader
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• 2386[20:13:38] <SynrG> maybe an older debian release would work with it?
• 2387[20:13:42] <SynrG> squeeze, perhaps?
• 2388[20:14:46] <SynrG> ,kernels
• 2389[20:14:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
• 2390[20:15:05] <balak> i might try that
• 2391[20:15:07] <SynrG> oh, not even squeeze ...
• 2392[20:15:18] <SynrG> lenny? we're getting into seriously old stuff
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• 2395[20:16:12] <SynrG> lenny is 2.6.26, i think
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• 2399[20:16:48] <SynrG> balak: if you're going back that far, of course, it's no longer under security
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• 2404[20:18:13] <balak> its ok its just for testing
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• 2413[20:21:15] <pie3> how do you use multiple messenger services ?
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• 2415[20:21:30] <pie3> is there any single software to maintain/connect?
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• 2433[20:29:06] <guru31312> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
• 2434[20:29:18] <guru31312> I followed these directions and when I typed modprobe wl -> replaced-url
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• 2436[20:29:30] <guru31312> modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-1-amd64
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• 2438[20:29:34] <guru31312> =[
• 2439[20:29:51] <SynrG> pie3: there's bitlbee ...
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• 2443[20:30:39] <guru31312> my sources: replaced-url
• 2444[20:30:46] <pie3> better than pidgin? SynrG
• 2445[20:30:54] <pie3> pidgin is default in my mint
• 2446[20:31:08] <pie3> i couldnt find slack/skype etc.. in pidgin client
• 2447[20:31:12] <pie3> how to add new service
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• 2449[20:31:33] <SynrG> ah. dunno if anything but slack does slack and skype does skype ...
• 2450[20:31:51] <guru31312> google skype pidgin github i used the module last month it works still
• 2451[20:32:02] <SynrG> !bcm43xx
• 2452[20:32:02] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
• 2453[20:32:52] <guru31312> pie3: replaced-url
• 2454[20:32:59] <guru31312> it's opensource
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• 2457[20:34:14] <pie3> where it is written that it is open source
• 2458[20:34:17] <guru31312> SynrG: any idea what I should do next?
• 2459[20:34:34] <guru31312> Source Code
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• 2461[20:34:34] <guru31312> Code is hosted on Github at replaced-url
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• 2464[20:36:02] <guru31312> replaced-url
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• 2469[20:39:05] <guru31312> broadcom-sta-dkms is already the newest version (6.30.223.271-5).
• 2470[20:39:10] <guru31312> wireless-tools is already the newest version (30~pre9-12+b1).
• 2471[20:39:17] <guru31312> i don't get it
• 2472[20:39:22] <guru31312> os is debian stretch
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• 2474[20:40:48] <SynrG> if you only just installed the 4.9.0-3 kernel you won't be able to modprobe the newly built module for it ...
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• 2476[20:40:53] <SynrG> uname -r
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• 2478[20:41:15] <SynrG> are you back on 4.9.0-2 or so?
• 2479[20:41:16] <guru31312> root@debian:/home/guru# uname -r 4.9.0-1-amd64
• 2480[20:41:39] <SynrG> right. so you need to reboot before you can use the newly built 4.9.0-3 module
• 2481[20:41:51] <SynrG> it was never built for 4.9.0-1
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• 2483[20:42:28] <guru31312> weird let me try rebooting
• 2484[20:42:30] <guru31312> brb
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• 2565[21:29:55] <ofog|bartar> I can't receive email but I can send one. I use posfix and dovecot. Where should I check. What do you suggest?
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• 2572[21:34:42] <petemc> ofog|bartar: you need dns, ideally mx record but A record will work too
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• 2577[21:37:34] <ofog|bartar> petemc, you mean If i don't have that I can send mail but can't receive one?
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• 2581[21:39:19] <pie3> any projects/companies which pays while learn coding?
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• 2585[21:39:59] <petemc> ofog|bartar: yes, but theres a good chance lots of places wont accept it
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• 2592[21:40:49] <loser> hey
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• 2595[21:41:28] <loser> When will the stable 9.0 will get released?
• 2596[21:41:49] <SuperSeriousCat> Under 2 weeks I think
• 2597[21:42:01] <SuperSeriousCat> 17.?
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• 2599[21:42:23] <regedit> trying to follow this guide replaced-url
• 2600[21:42:27] <ofog|bartar> petemc, well gmail receives my emails. that I send from the command line of my mail server but the replies from gmail won't reach me. i.e the command mail outputs No mail"
• 2601[21:42:41] <regedit> apt-offline assumes /etc/apt/trusted.gpg... tried using this command `sudo apt-key exportall | sudo gpg --no-default-keyring --import --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg` but getting an error about the output should not be parsed and stdout is not a terminal
• 2602[21:42:52] <regedit> any ideas?
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• 2606[21:43:49] <petemc> ofog|bartar: if gmail doesnt show you a delivery failed message it may have went somewhere. check the mta logs
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• 2618[21:46:31] <ofog|bartar> petemc, I can't see any log in /var/log
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• 2623[21:47:28] <petemc> ofog|bartar: which mta do you use?
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• 2626[21:50:58] <ofog|bartar> petemc, postfix+dovecot
• 2627[21:51:26] <petemc> should be /var/log/mail.log
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• 2645[22:02:44] <ofog|bartar> petemc, May 5 00:28:31 mail postfix/local[26507]: C22B53331: to=<ofog@mail.falinoos.com>, orig_to=<root@mail.nedysgn.com>, relay=local, delay=0.01, delays=0/0/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to comm
• 2646[22:02:46] <ofog|bartar> and: maildrop)
• 2647[22:02:49] <ofog|bartar> ??????
• 2648[22:03:19] <ofog|bartar> May 5 00:28:31 mail postfix/qmgr[25987]: C22B53331: removed
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• 2652[22:04:32] <petemc> ofog|bartar: i dont use postfix so not much help with it, sorry
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• 2654[22:05:35] <ofog|bartar> petemc, :) what do you use instead of postfix?
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• 2658[22:06:38] <petemc> well, used to. i dont look after my own email any more.
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• 2668[22:10:18] <aaronwebchat> Hi, I am having trouble with weechat with Debian Jessie 8.8. It can't connect to Freenode. The error message is "gnutls: peer's certificate is NOT trusted". How do I add the Let's Encrypt CA or update the CA list to something more sensible? Thanks :)
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• 2701[22:23:14] <AlexPortable> Is it possible to blacklist some commands, or maybe make a whitelist?
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• 2705[22:25:24] <aaronm04> AlexPortable: for a particular user? Not easy to do it securely. You could have the user use a chroot with only the whitelisted commands inside the chroot
• 2706[22:25:25] <SuperSeriousCat> .bash_profile and alias
• 2707[22:25:40] <aaronm04> .bash_profile and alias is the easy but insecure way
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• 2709[22:25:59] <AlexPortable> but chroots aren't secure
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• 2711[22:26:32] <aaronm04> I suspect they could be made secure, but it's out of my depth
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• 2719[22:28:07] <AlexPortable> Maybe disable network access?
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• 2721[22:28:14] <AlexPortable> or chmod +x
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• 2723[22:28:54] <grift> AlexPortable should be possible with selinux but thats a very expensive solution
• 2724[22:29:11] <SuperSeriousCat> If you chattr +i the bash_profile it should be secure enough, right?
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• 2727[22:29:59] <_amnesia_> Is it better to use letters or numbers for chmod? Or does it not really matter
• 2728[22:31:15] <AlexPortable> what does chattr does?
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• 2733[22:32:30] <SuperSeriousCat> Immutable file. Cant be deleted or altered unless root chattr -i it
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• 2735[22:33:47] <grift> root+cap_linux_immutable that is
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• 2743[22:36:28] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: It depends what your definition of "secure" is in the context of chroots. Non-root users can't escape from a chroot and they restrict file access, but some resources are still shared and they for example don't restrict network access.
• 2744[22:36:35] <rudi_s> And they don't restrict what commands users are running.
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• 2749[22:36:52] <rudi_s> For example in the context of weechat you can easily run arbitrary commands from weechat itself, even if you can't modify your home directory.
• 2750[22:37:08] <helloworldlol> can u help me
• 2751[22:37:09] <rudi_s> That's not necessarily a problem, but worth knowing.
• 2752[22:37:17] <rudi_s> helloworldlol: Ask your question.
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• 2754[22:37:41] <GumShoe> I have several desktops installed in debian 9 stretch. When I login I'm not offered a choice of desktops. How can I change my desktop from the bash shell?
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• 2756[22:38:05] <AlexPortable> SuperSeriousCat: is it possible to also use this for bash_history, or will this prevent being written to?
• 2757[22:38:08] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: But a separate with restricted access is the simplest solution. You can use a forcecommand with ssh if you want to run only a single task (e.g. a backup job) or as said a chroot to restrict file access.
• 2758[22:38:17] <helloworldlol> Its not that related to Debian and such, but I have wondered if its possible to run the IRC with proxy option?
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• 2760[22:38:28] <rudi_s> GumShoe: Depends on your login manager. Which one are you using?
• 2761[22:38:35] <AlexPortable> rudi_s: well I want users to be able to run a few commands, like copy and move and stuff, but not wget some other program and run it
• 2762[22:38:35] <rudi_s> *a separate user
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• 2765[22:38:50] <GumShoe> I don't know which login manager I'm using.
• 2766[22:38:51] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: Do you want to restrict _all_ network access (or almost all except a few specific IPs)?
• 2767[22:38:52] <AlexPortable> helloworldlol: depends on your irc client
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• 2772[22:39:05] <helloworldlol> HexChat is the one I am using
• 2773[22:39:13] <SuperSeriousCat> AlexPortable, it prevents it being written to
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• 2776[22:39:23] <AlexPortable> rudi_s: well the program they started should be able to communicate with the internet
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• 2780[22:39:35] <rudi_s> GumShoe: Run cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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• 2784[22:39:58] <AlexPortable> SuperSeriousCat: do you have a suggestion for non-deletable / clearable bash_history?
• 2785[22:39:59] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: So you want to have only a single program to get internet access?
• 2786[22:40:04] <GumShoe> gdm3
• 2787[22:40:08] <AlexPortable> rudi_s: Yes
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• 2789[22:40:27] <SuperSeriousCat> What is the user allowed to do? Why do he use the computer?
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• 2791[22:40:42] <AlexPortable> to run a server program
• 2792[22:40:46] <rudi_s> GumShoe: Hm. Haven't used that one in a while, but normally you can select your desktop environment on the login screen. Do you login manually?
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• 2794[22:40:57] <AlexPortable> irc client and such
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• 2800[22:41:29] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: YOu can't do that easily as there's no internal way in linux to restrict network access to specific programs (only users).
• 2801[22:41:31] <GumShoe> That's the problem. When I login on the gui i'm not offered a chance to change my desktop yet I have several installed. gnome, xfce etc...
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• 2803[22:41:38] <SuperSeriousCat> Desktop or CLI only?
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• 2805[22:42:00] <GumShoe> gdm3
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• 2807[22:42:02] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: BUt I think you're solving the wrong problem. As I said, any modern IRC client can run arbitrary commands, so you can just let the user run those commands anyway.
• 2808[22:42:04] <GumShoe> opps
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• 2810[22:42:14] <AlexPortable> rudi_s: and to users?
• 2811[22:42:14] <rudi_s> GumShoe: Do you have a file called .dmrc in your home? Try cat ~/.dmrc
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• 2813[22:42:32] <AlexPortable> can i somehow only allow them to login remotely but nothing else?
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• 2816[22:42:44] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: What do you mean with "login remotely"?
• 2817[22:42:50] <AlexPortable> ssh
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• 2819[22:43:17] <SuperSeriousCat> Maybe just create a Docker
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• 2821[22:43:32] <GumShoe> nope no such file
• 2822[22:43:43] <grift> AlexPortable: all that stuff is possible with SELinux but configuring it is not easy and maintaining it isnt either, but all that stuff can be done in debian
• 2823[22:44:23] <rudi_s> GumShoe: Hm. Then have a look at /etc/gdm3/... and search if a default login environment is configured there. Or maybe you have a ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc in your home which controls it.
• 2824[22:44:50] <rudi_s> Or maybe gdm3 uses another file in your home to control. Have a look at the hidden files (starting with .) in your home, maybe there's one for gdm.
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• 2834[22:45:02] <GumShoe> which manger do you use?
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• 2841[22:45:09] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: And what exactly want you allow/restrict the user to do.
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• 2991[22:48:28] <rudi_s> ...
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• 2995[22:48:47] <GumShoe> I already have lightdm installed do you know offhand how to make it active? Just put /usr/sbin/lightdm in the /etc/X11/Def*man*
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• 3031[22:52:05] <rudi_s> GumShoe: To be honest I'm not 100% sure. Writing /usr/sbin/lightdm to /etc/X11/default-display-manager would be intuitive. But I'm not sure if that works.
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• 3036[22:52:35] <AlexPortable> rudi_s: just running the irc client or some other game server program, not allowing him to wget something else
• 3037[22:52:36] <rudi_s> I'd login on a tty and then perform this change and then run systemctl stop gdm3; systemctl start lightdm
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• 3040[22:53:07] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: Did you read what I wrote above? If you allow him to run an IRC program he can run _any_ program anyway (because can run e.g. arbitrary python commands).
• 3041[22:53:17] <rudi_s> So restriction the commands makes _no_ sense.
• 3042[22:53:40] <rudi_s> What you can restrict is where he can connect to (e.g. only to port 6667 of that IP; on a user basis with iptables).
• 3043[22:54:26] <rudi_s> Or what you can do is to restrict to a single program (via ssh forcecommand), but again that is only useful if that program itself can't run arbitrary commands. So forcing a weechat/irssi/vim/etc. is not sane, but a specific server program might be sane.
• 3044[22:54:26] <SuperSeriousCat> What about a Docker image? SSH to it instead of your server
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• 3046[22:54:42] <rudi_s> (But then the next question is why you won't just start the server as root and run it under that user.)
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• 3048[22:54:52] <rudi_s> SuperSeriousCat: How could docker help in that setup? It still allows running arbitrary commands.
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• 3052[22:55:52] <SuperSeriousCat> Guess he dont want the user to install stuff/breake stuff on his server. Restricting him to only do a limiting stuff inside a Docker image fix that
• 3053[22:56:09] <AlexPortable> will ssh forcecommand allow things like cd and mv? becasue the user still has to be able to move files and upload them
• 3054[22:57:00] <rudi_s> AlexPortable: No, it's only a single command.
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• 3056[22:57:50] <rudi_s> SuperSeriousCat: Won't help if he wants to restrict network access. And as non-root user the user can't do any real damage anyway if /tmp and /var/tmp are separate partitions so he can't fill-up the root file system.
• 3057[22:59:31] <grift> ... it is possible its called fine-grained mandatory access control
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• 3062[23:00:54] <rudi_s> Sure, but setting up selinux is a major pain in constract to just restricting access on a user basis.
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• 3066[23:01:28] <grift> sounds the me like its one of the few viable options
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• 3096[23:14:18] <tomnor> using mtp-tools to transfer files from smart phone, can open with files but I cannot find the mount point
• 3097[23:14:21] <tomnor> where is it?
• 3098[23:15:02] <SerajewelKS> tomnor: type "mount" in a terminal to see all of the current mounts
• 3099[23:15:29] <SerajewelKS> tomnor: it's possible that your file browser is using a VFS layer to access it without actually mounting it
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• 3104[23:18:15] <GumShoe> ok well.. quick trip to single user bode...
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• 3107[23:18:41] <GumShoe> Dcinm2sb
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• 3109[23:19:30] <grift> change your password one your way
• 3110[23:20:00] <GumShoe> just did ;-)
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• 3117[23:21:28] <tomnor> SerajewelKS: yes, I cannot recognize it by mount
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• 3123[23:22:10] <pyBlob> I am using debian stretch and I am trying to add the "crypto_user.ko" kernel module, but I am having quite some problems
• 3124[23:22:28] <pyBlob> following this guide: replaced-url
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• 3127[23:22:54] <pyBlob> I have managed to compile the kernel-module, and insert it using "insmod .../crypto_user.ko"
• 3128[23:23:34] <pyBlob> but when I try to install it, it will be installed to /lib/modules/4.9.25/... instead of /lib/modules/4.9.0-2-amd64/...
• 3129[23:24:22] <tomnor> aha, it's in /run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp..., thanks SerajewelKS
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• 3144[23:30:16] <ubuntu_> hi
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• 3146[23:30:40] <ubuntu_> Someone use selinux in Debian jessie?
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• 3161[23:36:25] <Cherrydoll> ubuntu_, SELINUX <3
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• 3163[23:36:45] <ubuntu_> Im study about selinux.
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• 3170[23:39:37] <Cherrydoll> I just setup debian/jessie running openbox still configuring selinux ubuntu_
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• 3177[23:41:15] <GumShoe> Hours of screwing around and I did have a desktop selector in my login. Hidden behind an asterisk.
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• 3179[23:41:32] <GumShoe> or a snowflake I guess...
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• 3186[23:45:04] <Cherrydoll> GumShoe,[len(Gumshoe)-1] my.list.append('hey')
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