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• 7[00:05:59] <Kalavera> Centurion_Dan: yes it is based on debian and the network interface is using the module i40e
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• 10[00:06:29] <Kalavera> Centurion_Dan: I cant really install anything cause I have no connectivity
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• 17[00:13:32] <Centurion_Dan> how did you get it installed that far?
• 18[00:13:38] <Centurion_Dan> Kalavera: ^
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• 24[00:16:56] <annadane> there's a channel for proxmox also
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• 26[00:16:58] <annadane> !proxmox
• 27[00:16:58] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 29[00:18:13] <Centurion_Dan> gee you debian people are harsh..
• 30[00:18:31] <Centurion_Dan> and not very helpful....
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• 32[00:19:14] <Centurion_Dan> I'm going back to #devuan where they're much more friendly and helpful...
• 33[00:19:40] <annadane> it's not being harsh, it's that proxmox may have significant differences with debian
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• 36[00:20:37] <b0t> I can not understand why, when I send an email from the command line it arrives instantly, when I send the same email from php it takes a long time
• 37[00:21:33] <b0t> I am using MSMTP
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• 40[00:22:23] <Centurion_Dan> b0t: because the command line probably drops it into a queue to be processed - where as php will actually talk to the mail server either directly or indirectly and block until the mail has been accepted.
• 41[00:22:30] <Kalavera> well maybe there are differences but not sure there are allot of them at the network configuration level
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• 44[00:25:58] <b0t> Centurion_Dan::: Tell me how I can avoid this delay (it usually takes hours)
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• 46[00:26:38] <Centurion_Dan> setup a local mail server and use that to submit the email(s)
• 47[00:26:57] <Centurion_Dan> for simple cases ssmtp should work fine.
• 48[00:27:22] <Centurion_Dan> ^bot
• 49[00:27:32] <Centurion_Dan> b0t: ^
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• 51[00:29:03] <b0t> That's a lot of work, I'm using only MTA
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• 53[00:29:48] <b0t> With sendmail was fast, now with msmtp is slow
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• 55[00:30:49] <b0t> But sendmail is almost impossible to configure, I do not understand how there are no simpler alternatives, it is something harmful for health to set up an MTA in Linux
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• 64[00:34:24] <Centurion_Dan> b0t: ssmtp should be sufficient - and provides a sendmail command that can be used by php
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• 66[00:34:40] <Centurion_Dan> how many emails are you sending?
• 67[00:34:46] <digdilem> postfix is a bit easier to set up (imo) than some MTAs
• 68[00:35:21] <Centurion_Dan> digdilem: yes, if your doing volume or serving for multiple domains I'd agree..\
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• 72[00:36:21] <digdilem> i use it for all of my machines, including just lan ones. it's fairly lightweight
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• 75[00:36:52] <digdilem> remember debian's default is exim4, which is pretty heavy going
• 76[00:37:07] <b0t> Centurion_Dan::: Msmtp is the continuation of ssmtp
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• 78[00:38:02] <xaeB5> does smtube pop up an annoying window on every start with some youtube code message for anyone else? wondering if it's a bug
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• 80[00:38:25] <Centurion_Dan> oh... didn't realise that... maybe then you'll need to use postfix...
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• 83[00:39:04] <Centurion_Dan> b0t: or some other mail transport agent that provides a proper queue.
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• 86[00:40:30] <bites> b0t: i'm not familiar with msmtp, but do you see something in the logs during the delay?
• 87[00:40:35] <b0t> I have already spent the ordeal of configuring postfix with a stmp microsoft exchange and I could not. I'd rather die than go back to it
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• 92[00:41:27] <b0t> bites::: The logs do not say anything weird
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• 95[00:42:57] <b0t> I think I've solved it by following this: -->> replaced-url
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• 98[00:44:49] <Centurion_Dan> b0t: nice...
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• 100[00:45:13] <b0t> Yes, it has been fixed
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• 102[00:46:43] <b0t> I have left a single line in host with 4 values
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• 189[02:18:40] <annadane> do you need to be root to scan disks using diskscan?
• 190[02:18:49] <annadane> (and i presume it can be mounted at the time of scan)
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• 194[02:22:10] <annadane> reason being diskscan -s seq /dev/sda gives permission denied
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• 197[02:23:49] <annadane> E: Disk path /dev/sda is inaccessible, errno=13: Permission denied
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• 207[02:33:41] <annadane> never mind, you do, and it can
• 208[02:33:54] <annadane> i love when i answer my own stupid questions
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• 210[02:36:16] <kaiser> hello, im having an issue. im trying to connect a pair of AE2 soundlink bose headphones to my debian machine via bluetooth, i can successfully trust, pair and connect the headphones however they do not show up as an output device in my audio settings. after my googling i suspect the issue may be pulseaudio although i havent been able to find a solution yet.
• 211[02:40:55] <aloo_shu> pulseaudio has an interactive cli tool, kaiser , either pacmd or pactl. there you can load, unload and list available modules, make connections , see audio sinks and sources etc.
• 212[02:42:37] <aloo_shu> kaiser maybe that helps troubleshooting, you may also find some concepts explained in man pulseaudio
• 213[02:46:39] <aloo_shu> kaiser: another thing could be to start alsamixer from terminal, that's a nice graphical way to look at alsa. Using the keys for see all controls and select card (F5 & 6 iirc) may help you to check if alsa at least can see the bt headset
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• 215[02:49:32] <kaiser> aloo_shu: thanks!
• 216[02:49:44] <kaiser> aloo_shu: is there any more info i can provide to get more help with troubleshooting this?
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• 219[02:52:00] <aloo_shu> No idea, I'd rather think there are not many ppl available right now
• 220[02:52:58] <aloo_shu> somebody more expert could you walk through a more detailed troubleshooting, I just gave suggestions
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• 224[03:04:18] <kaiser> hmm
• 225[03:04:25] <kaiser> im not sure what the issue is
• 226[03:04:28] <kaiser> replaced-url
• 227[03:04:47] <kaiser> as you can see, headphones are connected just fine. but theres no audio output device for the headphones
• 228[03:04:57] <annadane> missing... firmware? i have no idea
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• 242[03:15:54] <kaiser> hm
• 243[03:16:06] <kaiser> im unable to load the bluetooth module for pulseaudio?
• 244[03:16:07] <kaiser> sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
• 245[03:16:15] <kaiser> Failure: Module initialization failed
• 246[03:16:50] <annadane> just for fun, check dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 247[03:17:02] <kaiser> will do
• 248[03:17:17] <annadane> likely a red herring but good first thing to try
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• 250[03:17:39] <annadane> failing that my next (un)educated opinion would be "try a newer kernel"
• 251[03:17:46] <annadane> but a bluetooth expect i am not
• 252[03:17:52] <kaiser> replaced-url
• 253[03:17:54] <annadane> expert*
• 254[03:17:59] <annadane> a spelling expert i also am not
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• 256[03:18:31] <annadane> ok well i guess rtl_nic is for wifi
• 257[03:18:43] <kaiser> oh?
• 258[03:18:51] <kaiser> i dont have any wifi cards installed on this machine
• 259[03:19:25] <annadane> ah no, apt show firmware-realtek says some of it is bluetooth related
• 260[03:19:32] <kaiser> hm
• 261[03:19:36] <annadane> so um, try installing that, and reboot, and see if the problem persists, i guess
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• 263[03:19:57] <kaiser> installing firmware-realtek?
• 264[03:20:00] <annadane> yep
• 265[03:20:18] <annadane> in non-free so add contrib non-free to your sources
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• 267[03:20:28] <kaiser> already did that, installing rn
• 268[03:20:42] <kaiser> i should probably reboot, no?
• 269[03:20:46] <kaiser> yeah
• 270[03:20:47] <kaiser> rebooting
• 271[03:20:49] <kaiser> brb
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• 276[03:22:48] <kaiser> alright testing it now
• 277[03:23:09] <kaiser> ill remove my headphones from the device list, then re-pair, reconnect and trust
• 278[03:23:37] <kaiser> wait, whats that command with dmesg?
• 279[03:23:49] <kaiser> dmesg | grep firmware?
• 280[03:24:12] <kaiser> cool. errors gone
• 281[03:24:25] <kaiser> [ 6.458151] r8169 0000:18:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw
• 282[03:24:46] <annadane> errors gone but that may not help you any
• 283[03:24:59] <annadane> this was always just a guess
• 284[03:25:45] <kaiser> damnit.
• 285[03:25:46] <kaiser> kaiser@tsar:~$ sudo pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover
• 286[03:25:51] <kaiser> Failure: Module initialization failed
• 287[03:26:06] <annadane> that's a helpful error message!
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• 289[03:26:14] <annadane> is there no verbose option?
• 290[03:26:15] <kaiser> ikr?
• 291[03:26:21] <kaiser> ill check
• 292[03:26:22] <annadane> man pactl...
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• 294[03:26:36] <annadane> apparently not
• 295[03:26:40] <kaiser> there isnt
• 296[03:27:09] <annadane> module initialization? hmm
• 297[03:27:14] <annadane> probably need to lsmod
• 298[03:27:33] <kaiser> lsmod load-module module-bluetooth-discover?
• 299[03:27:54] <kaiser> sorry if i seem noobish. i have been using freebsd as my main os for the past couple years
• 300[03:27:54] <annadane> well, if anything it's be lsmod module-bluetooth-discover, but i'm not sure on the syntax
• 301[03:28:00] <annadane> oh no no i'm far more noobish
• 302[03:28:05] <annadane> it'd*
• 303[03:28:41] <annadane> i guess try what i typed?
• 304[03:29:01] <annadane> if it's just not detecting it, either you'd need a newer kernel or there's some other problem i don't know about
• 305[03:29:04] <kaiser> yeah doesnt seem like its loaded
• 306[03:29:19] <kaiser> a newer kernel?
• 307[03:29:21] <annadane> anyone else with half a brain lurking, stepping in here would be appreciated
• 308[03:29:28] <kaiser> Linux tsar 4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u2 (2018-08-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 309[03:29:37] <annadane> yeah like from backports
• 310[03:29:41] <kaiser> is there a newer kernel for debian 9?
• 311[03:29:51] <annadane> though actually yeah you want 4.9.0-8 anyway, security update
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• 313[03:31:13] <annadane> that said, i hope you're not on arm, there's currently a bug with that kernel and arm
• 314[03:31:27] <kaiser> nah
• 315[03:31:30] <kaiser> im on amd64
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• 317[03:31:56] <annadane> what is linux tsar?
• 318[03:32:06] <kaiser> tsar is my host
• 319[03:32:09] <annadane> oh right host
• 320[03:32:10] <kaiser> hostname
• 321[03:32:15] <annadane> sorry, i always forget the syntax for that
• 322[03:32:21] <kaiser> np
• 323[03:32:32] <annadane> despite seeing it like 5 times
• 324[03:33:28] <kaiser> im not sure what my next course of action should be
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• 326[03:33:59] <annadane> yeah, well, me neither. wait for the experts i guess
• 327[03:34:28] <annadane> i guess i'll google the error message
• 328[03:35:10] <annadane> like there's this but it's ubuntu replaced-url
• 329[03:35:54] <annadane> their solution apparently was sudo aptitude install bluetooth pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
• 330[03:37:05] <annadane> (which are both in debian)
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• 334[03:42:07] <JT|work> hey guys, so I made the leap from python 2 to 3 and changed my default python using update-alternatives, but now I see dpkg failing to upgrade stuff because it's running install scripts with 3 instead of 2. Is that a bug in the package or is there something I should do to avoid that?
• 335[03:42:21] <JT|work> on stable, 9.5
• 336[03:42:44] <annadane> yeah don't change your default python
• 337[03:42:55] <JT|work> I was afraid of that :p
• 338[03:42:56] <annadane> it's not needed, both 2 and 3 will be installed most of the time
• 339[03:43:08] <annadane> ought to be able to switch back to what it was via update-alternatives
• 340[03:43:12] <JT|work> right I have both, but I want 3 to my default from now on
• 341[03:43:22] <annadane> for what?
• 342[03:43:30] <JT|work> yeah that's exactly what I did to make it work, I updated my upgrade script to change the symlink to 2 before, then back to 3 after it finishes, it's hacky
• 343[03:44:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1198
• 344[03:44:04] <annadane> i don't think i've ever seen a specific directive against making one or another the default, i suppose
• 345[03:44:05] <JT|work> I pop open a python shell to test things sometimes
• 346[03:44:18] <annadane> i mean, for python 3 you can just type python3 in bash
• 347[03:44:26] <JT|work> I know
• 348[03:44:53] <JT|work> believe me, I went through all my scripts and added/fixed shebangs and replaced scripts that start python to explicitly call 2 or 3
• 349[03:45:18] <annadane> well, it's possible i'm just nuts. i'll let someone else pick it up
• 350[03:45:22] <JT|work> it seems like this package or maybe all packages don't do that and just call whatever python is default
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• 352[03:49:16] <JT|work> what's weird too is that I ran update-alternatives to set it back and it seemed to do nothing, I ended up just overwriting the symlink myself
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• 356[03:50:48] <themill> the python interpreter is not a user configurable thing and so it doesn't use update-alternatives at all
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• 359[03:52:15] <themill> !default python
• 360[03:52:15] <dpkg> There is no such thing as a "Default Python". There is a default Python 2 (2.7) which ships /usr/bin/python (and also /usr/bin/python2 because Arch didn't know what they were breaking). There is also a Default Python 3 with /usr/bin/python3. There will occasionally be more than one Python 3 interpreter available in testing and sid. /usr/bin/python is supposed to stay pointing to Python 2. See PEP394.
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• 365[03:54:34] <JT|work> well that's pretty concise, thanks themill
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• 367[03:58:07] <JT|work> python is aliased to `python3m' :D
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• 369[04:02:21] <lf94> Hey, I'm looking to use libnettle6 (3.4) and libhogweed4 (3.4), from testing in my stable installation. What's the best way to...create a package from these packages? Is it difficult?
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• 371[04:04:52] <JT|work> I'm new here, let me try this out
• 372[04:04:56] <JT|work> !backports
• 373[04:04:56] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 374[04:05:06] <lf94> Yep, it's not available in backports. :(
• 375[04:05:13] <lf94> So now...I'm making my own backport, I guess!
• 376[04:05:38] <JT|work> sounds dangerous, I'm no help there!
• 377[04:05:48] <JT|work> build the source I guess?
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• 379[04:06:42] <annadane> judd, checkbackport libnettle6 --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
• 380[04:06:44] <judd> Backporting package libnettle6 in buster→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 381[04:06:44] <lf94> No need. Those two packages dependencies are available on stable.
• 382[04:07:02] <lf94> heh, cool!
• 383[04:07:22] <annadane> but you're asking to "create a package", not use it
• 384[04:07:29] <lf94> Oh I want to use it, definitely
• 385[04:07:37] <JT|work> on one system or multiple?
• 386[04:07:42] <JT|work> if it's just one you don't really need a package, right?
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• 388[04:07:47] <lf94> Well it will be re-used
• 389[04:07:51] <lf94> But for now, it's ok
• 390[04:07:55] <JT|work> fair enough
• 391[04:08:09] <lf94> Actually, our servers use Ubuntu, which have the correct versions
• 392[04:08:22] <lf94> So did judd just create a backport?
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• 394[04:08:40] <themill> no, judd told you that you should be able to make a trivial backport yourself
• 395[04:08:46] <lf94> judd, checkbackport libhogweed4 --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
• 396[04:08:47] <judd> Backporting package libhogweed4 in buster→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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• 400[04:11:28] <themill> the sovers on those libraries are also the same so hopefully it is as painless as it looks
• 401[04:11:49] <lf94> I think I'm just going to directly install these
• 402[04:11:52] <lf94> :D
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• 405[04:12:38] <annadane> probably don't do that
• 406[04:12:38] <lf94> I'm looking at BuildingFormalBackports and I think my head will explode
• 407[04:12:51] <lf94> annadane, considering the packages, I think it will be ok.
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• 409[04:14:19] <annadane> well they don't depend on a newer libc6
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• 412[04:19:15] <annadane> if it does say upgrading libc6 stay the hell away
• 413[04:19:40] <annadane> it looks apparently fine otherwise
• 414[04:19:44] <lf94> Yes. I have felt this pain before.
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• 424[04:35:32] <renzhi> I'm trying to start up gimp, but it just sits there doing nothing. Starting with --verbose has not information either, just totallly blank. If I do Ctrl-C, it just seg faults. There's no message in syslog either. Is there anything I need to look at? I'm running debian testing, with gimp 2.10.2
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• 426[04:39:34] <annadane> gimp has some issues right now on 2.10
• 427[04:39:37] <annadane> anyway,
• 428[04:39:39] <annadane> !debian-next
• 429[04:39:39] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 430[04:39:41] <annadane> renzhi, ^
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• 433[04:41:06] <renzhi> annadane: ok :(
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• 435[04:42:33] <annadane> renzhi, definitely check the bts
• 436[04:42:44] <annadane> gimp 2.10 has probably received like a million reports, it's a troublesome release
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• 452[04:51:38] <renzhi> annadane: thanks, I use gimp like at most 5 times a year, so didn't follow the status, I just assume it will work :)
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• 456[04:52:18] <annadane> yeah... i really can't remember the last time new software was this broken
• 457[04:52:25] <annadane> at least for a user facing applications
• 458[04:52:36] <annadane> there's obviously some bugs in sid that will lead to other problems
• 459[04:53:55] <renzhi> that's really unfortunate
• 460[04:54:24] <annadane> oddly on the bts there's nothing showing "does nothing on startup"
• 461[04:54:51] <annadane> i guess you can file a new bug report and at worst it will get merged, meanwhile ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net what you might be able to do to solve it
• 462[04:55:05] <renzhi> ok
• 463[04:58:14] <annadane> renzhi, replaced-url
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• 465[04:58:45] <annadane> oh, okay. they were using the not recommended debian-multimedia repo
• 466[04:58:47] <annadane> disregard
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• 474[05:02:52] <annadane> even the archived bugs don't help, what the hell?
• 475[05:03:02] <Gerowen> Greetings!
• 476[05:03:15] <renzhi> annadane: dang! it's related to libopenblas! The first question asked by Adrian Bunk on that report was about openblas, I uninstalled it, and gimp just comes up.
• 477[05:03:32] <annadane> renzhi, was it in debian-multimedia?
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• 479[05:04:07] <annadane> because i came across yet another report to which the solution was "remove such and such package from debian-multimedia, don't use those", etc
• 480[05:04:41] <annadane> anyway, nice to see you fixed the problem
• 481[05:04:51] <renzhi> I just unsintalled libopenblas-base and libopenblas-dev, which were installed some times ago when I need to do some numerical computing. That's it.
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• 483[05:05:25] <annadane> hi Gerowen
• 484[05:05:43] <Gerowen> If grub boots, but the system won't after cloning a drive to a new SSD, the correct response would be to just use a Debian livecd to reinstall Grub correct?
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• 486[05:06:49] <themill> #903514
• 487[05:06:56] <renzhi> and no, I did not use debian-multimedia
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• 494[05:16:43] <arp> gerowen, did the device names change? You'd probably need to fix grub so that the devices match on the new disk.
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• 502[05:23:09] <Gerowen> arp: Not sure about the device names, I used the "Acronis True Image WD Edition" that came with the SSD. Put the Debian net installer on a USB drive with unetbootin but unetbootin butchers the grub bootloader with its own crap so the rescue options that would normally be there aren't, so I'm trying to burn the ISO to the USB stick with a different piece of software right now.
• 503[05:23:39] <Gerowen> Grub on the drive comes up just fine, but I'm guessing the drive's UUID being different is what's screwing with it.
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• 520[05:45:57] <Gerowen> So I managed to repair grub, it seems, but I'm getting lots of "failed to start" error messages on startup for some reason after cloning the system disk to a new SSD.
• 521[05:46:46] <Gerowen> Network time service, apache, samba, all failing to start now.
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• 523[05:47:13] <Gerowen> It really might be easier to just do a clean install of Debian and copy my config files over from the old system drive, :p
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• 548[06:20:17] <RoyK> Gerowen: sometimes that's the easiest path, yes
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• 550[06:21:04] <RoyK> Gerowen: there's a lot tht can be improved on the grub/boot part in debian/linux
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• 554[06:24:03] <Gerowen> It works well enough most of the time so I can't really complain all that much. Hopefully this won't have to happen very often, I just figured it was time to retire the 10 year old HDD that came in this thing.
• 555[06:24:36] <Gerowen> No bad sectors or anything, but between a performance boost and the "potential" for bad sectors on a drive this old that has been used this much, I figured it was time to upgrade.
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• 562[06:34:43] <RoyK> Gerowen: did you just dd the stuff over or did you do a grub-install on the new drive?
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• 565[06:37:21] <Gerowen> RoyK: To clone the drive I tried Clonezilla and it refused because the drives were different sizes, so I used the "Acronis True Image WD Edition" that came with the drive and that worked, but even though grub worked, the system wouldn't boot since the UID of the drive was different. I used the Debian install disk to repair/reinstall grub and the system tried to boot, but lots of stuff was failing to start.
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• 575[06:52:40] <DK2> it is possible to block outbound ports on iptable but allow them as a response to smth?
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• 591[07:24:33] <gmcastil> how do i use update-alternatives to run bash instead of dash? 'update-alternatives --get-selections' doesn't show any shell related options
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• 594[07:28:53] <themill> what are you really trying to do?
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• 596[07:33:02] <gmcastil> i want to make sure that every time i invoke sh it runs /bin/bash instead of /bin/dash
• 597[07:33:35] <gmcastil> i have processes that have only been tested with bash (and other things like awk instead of mawk, etc.)
• 598[07:34:07] <gmcastil> i can change the symlinks by hand, but that doesnt appear to be the intended instructions
• 599[07:36:42] <themill> If you've got bash scripts, invoking them with #!/bin/bash is by far the best approach, assuming they can't be trivially fixed to actually use a posix shell.
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• 601[07:37:35] <themill> If fixing invocation is too hard then you can "dpkg-reconfigure bash" (but tbh, most scripts got fixed about a decade ago and that was a good thing)
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• 603[07:38:04] <darxmurf> hm
• 604[07:38:05] <gmcastil> ah, dpkg-reconfigure is probably the deal for me
• 605[07:38:54] <gmcastil> yeah, i have to ensure an actual bash shell is running
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• 610[07:39:52] <gmcastil> not sure what that command actually does thouhg
• 611[07:40:03] <gmcastil> just running chsh to bash doesnt work
• 612[07:40:58] <themill> gmcastil: the account's shell shouldn't be relevant to what is running a script
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• 614[07:41:38] <gmcastil> uh...if /etc/passwd says my default shell is /bin/dash and a script is invoked with /bin/sh won't that invoke dash ?
• 615[07:41:42] <themill> (and if you need to ensure bash is the interpreter then you do that via the shebang)
• 616[07:41:47] <themill> nope
• 617[07:42:10] <gmcastil> I'm running legacy scripts that are not something I can edit
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• 619[07:42:38] <gmcastil> (some of these build scripts are 20 years old)
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• 622[07:44:47] <OS-37654> Hi everyone, I am not sure this is the right place to ask this question but here it goes. I have mail that I collected from a Ubuntu machine, I would like to view the content of it. Does Debian ship with a command to view mail that I have saved as a file?
• 623[07:45:07] <darxmurf> gmcastil: why can't you edit them ?
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• 627[07:47:20] <gmcastil> darxmurf: most of these are build scripts used for building ASICs and the entire repo is under configuration management and processes do not allow changes to the build scripts, makefiles, etc.
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• 629[07:47:33] <OS-37654> Thank you for your reply darxmurf. I am not sure how to do that. So this is not mail that was sent to me, but some kind of .txt file that I found on a procmail file system. I just downloaded the files that I saw in user directories.
• 630[07:48:44] <OS-37654> When I view the content of the files, I only see some kind of base64, which makes me think there must be a command that allows viewing these kind of files
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• 633[07:49:37] <themill> OS-37654: sure, plenty. "mutt -f foo.mbox" is an easy one
• 634[07:49:47] <OS-37654> The man* of the mail bin doesn't have a flag or something related to viewing external mail
• 635[07:50:06] <OS-37654> thank you themill
• 636[07:51:16] <codingquark> Hello! I have "03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter". Even after installing "firmware-realtek" (regrettably) the network is not accessible. I can see IP assigned using "ip a". But pings do not go through. I tried putting `ant_sel=1` in config file, with no luck.
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• 638[07:51:23] <codingquark> Help would be appriciated.
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• 677[08:52:27] <Gerowen> Ugh, I feel like I've been down this road before. Literally copied my config from my old drive to the new one, added username to sambashare group, mapped on Windows with "use different credentials" to make sure I logged in with proper username and password, and Samba will still not let me write to shared folders from my Windows box.
• 678[08:52:47] <Gerowen> Had it working before the new drive, and just copied my old /etc/samba/smb.conf to the new drive.
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• 681[08:53:53] <Gerowen> Shared folder has 755 permissions with myself set as owner
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• 686[08:55:52] <darxmurf> try to put 777 as permissions, then create a file inside from your windows machine to see the owner/group of this new file
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• 694[08:58:42] <Gerowen> owner is nobody, group is nogroup
• 695[08:59:06] <Gerowen> So for whatever reason it's not authenticating me with the credentials I've provided and is just defaulting back go "guest", since I have guest enabled.
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• 697[08:59:57] <Gerowen> Although the server isn't telling me I've entered a wrong password when I use those credentials, so I guess it's possible that samba isn't seeing me as a valid user.
• 698[09:00:18] <Gerowen> As in, not a user that's allowed to see shares, so defaults to guest.
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• 702[09:02:40] <darxmurf> you can use the "force user" and "force group" param in your smb.conf file
• 703[09:02:52] <darxmurf> but there is probably something wrong anyway in your auth.
• 704[09:02:58] <darxmurf> nothing in the logs ?
• 705[09:03:10] <Gerowen> Got it, even though I had added my user to the "sambashare" group, I had not set a Samba password with smbpasswd
• 706[09:03:23] <darxmurf> voilà, that was my next question :D
• 707[09:03:32] <darxmurf> we always forget this smbpassword stuff ^^
• 708[09:03:52] <Gerowen> :p
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• 818[11:26:27] <divadgnol67> good morning all, new to debian here. bsd background. should i choose alsa or pulse for simple playback of radioparadise on laptop.
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• 820[11:27:22] <divadgnol67> i don't need anything fancy as complicated for playback. going through headphone jack.
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• 824[11:29:45] <Iridos> everything is pulse these days…
• 825[11:30:05] <Iridos> and after a decade or two of teething problems, it seems to work
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• 827[11:30:43] <atacami> Hello, I have Debian stable on my notebook, however, I would like to install a single package from backports - is it safe to download just that particular '.deb' package from the web and install it via dpkg(my concern is dependencies)? Or I have to add backports repository to the system.
• 828[11:30:53] <divadgnol67> thanks
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• 830[11:31:28] <Iridos> it's pretty much the default setup now… so I'd stick with it if there's no problems with it / reasons to do otherwise
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• 832[11:32:39] <divadgnol67> have not used debian since 2001. a lot has changed in the world of linux
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• 837[11:34:33] <divadgnol67> maybe you can help me figure out why i have screen flicker every 15 seconds or so. default install, i3, xorg. maybe i need some driver for the intel graphics
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• 839[11:37:16] <divadgnol67> maybe i should have said minimal install - base system only then added the above mentioned packages i.e. i3 and xorg
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• 852[11:51:32] <themill> atacami: you're better off adding the backports repo to your sources.list as per the instructions. apt won't install packages from that repo unless you ask it to
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• 984[14:03:22] <regdude> Im trying to setup KVM with Debian, but virt-manager on a remote host keeps telling that KVM is not available and emulating anything is very, very slow. Using Ryzen. Anyone has an idea what Im missing?
• 985[14:04:51] <diogenes_> regdude, did you look in bios? enable virtualization?
• 986[14:06:20] <regdude> diogenes_: I think, but if /proc/cpuinfo contains svm, shouldn't it mean it is enabled?
• 987[14:07:09] <diogenes_> no clue but cheking the bios is not a big deal
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• 989[14:09:40] <sunkan> diogenes_: Maybe look for "svm" in the cpu flags (in /proc/cpuinfo), I think that is the virtualization support in AMD if has not been replaced by something newer.
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• 993[14:15:58] <regdude> ok, bios does not have an option to control that. Could it be that the MB does not support it?
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• 995[14:17:01] <diogenes_> regdude, could be of course, if bios doesn't have it
• 996[14:17:22] <diogenes_> a bios update might resolve that but it's very very dangerous to do it on linux
• 997[14:17:44] <regdude> has anyone seen such a motherboard? I personally have not seen a MB that does not support it
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• 999[14:19:40] <bites> which mb is it? you probably just missed it.
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• 1002[14:20:08] <regdude> AB350M-Gaming3
• 1003[14:20:45] <regdude> not so many options in the BIOS
• 1004[14:21:13] <Javabean> for reference, my lenovo thinkcentre did not support kvm. its a locked-out feature of the motherboard
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• 1006[14:22:16] <regdude> well this sucks, I suppose I will need to install GUI on a server then
• 1007[14:22:49] <bites> regdude: should be callsed "SVM Mode"
• 1008[14:23:09] <bites> your mb definitely supports it.
• 1009[14:23:58] <bites> advanced frequency settings
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• 1011[14:24:06] <bites> or advanced cpu core settings.
• 1012[14:24:17] <bites> something like that.
• 1013[14:24:33] <bites> under M.I.T
• 1014[14:26:47] <regdude> omg, you are right
• 1015[14:26:56] <regdude> it was under overclocking settings
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• 1017[14:27:18] <regdude> lets check if SVM Mode did enable KVM
• 1018[14:27:21] <Javabean> and i got beaten to the punch, i just found it in you mb manual
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• 1022[14:30:37] <petn-randall> diogenes_: I wouldn't call it "very very dangerous". Usually you just boot a live image from the vendor from USB, just like any other non-windows OS.
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• 1025[14:31:28] <petn-randall> There is also `flashrom`, and if your mobo support that, I'd even call it more safe, since you can verify the BIOS after writing it, which not all vendor tools do.
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• 1027[14:34:07] <RebelCoder> Guys.
• 1028[14:34:35] <petn-randall> RebelCoder: and gals?
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• 1030[14:35:55] <RebelCoder> why Debian comes with unconfigured fonts out of the box ? Browser, Editors have horrible fonts. Is there a quick way to install/enable nice looking fonts, anti aliased
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• 1033[14:36:59] <RebelCoder> what should we do right after a fresh install to make Fonts nice and readable ?
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• 1035[14:38:01] <diogenes_> petn-randall, guys <<< is interchangeable
• 1036[14:38:35] <petn-randall> RebelCoder: How did you install? It usually comes with decent default fonts.
• 1037[14:38:54] <RebelCoder> netinst, full inst....
• 1038[14:39:02] <RebelCoder> KDE - comes with horrible fonts
• 1039[14:39:11] <petn-randall> RebelCoder: How did you install KDE?
• 1040[14:39:28] <RebelCoder> during install of course....
• 1041[14:39:36] <RebelCoder> Just KDE check box
• 1042[14:40:11] <RebelCoder> I installed it many times... fonts are not there... tried few Debian based distros, they all have nice fonts out of the box... not Fresh pure Debian
• 1043[14:40:23] <RebelCoder> But I want to have a clean Debian. but fonts are horrendous
• 1044[14:40:50] <RebelCoder> Installing GNOME in a VM now to see if they are different in that
• 1045[14:40:57] <petn-randall> RebelCoder: In the settings, can't you select a different font?
• 1046[14:41:24] <RebelCoder> Yeah, but different apps use different fonts. Editors, Browser, system ....
• 1047[14:41:34] <RebelCoder> tthey all look horrible , not anti aliased ...
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• 1050[14:42:24] <RebelCoder> I am sure, whoever uses KDE as his Pure Debian, knows that problem.. so I am wondering which is the best way of fixing this after a fresh install
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• 1055[14:45:32] <spinningCat> i will install debian 9
• 1056[14:45:44] <spinningCat> 200mb for /boot is enough right
• 1057[14:46:34] <petn-randall> spinningCat: Every kernel + initrd is about 50 MB, so it's enough as long as you don't install more than 3.
• 1058[14:47:03] <spinningCat> 3 OS?
• 1059[14:47:10] <spinningCat> hmm
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• 1061[14:47:24] <spinningCat> i will do it 500mb then
• 1062[14:47:58] <spinningCat> what do you suggest for root
• 1063[14:48:02] <spinningCat> 100gb is enough
• 1064[14:48:05] <spinningCat> ?
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• 1066[14:48:47] <ksk> !tell spinningCat about lvm
• 1067[14:49:14] <petn-randall> spinningCat: No, kernel. You only need one. If you update, there might be a second one. You just need to ensure that you clean up the old kernel by uninstalling them.
• 1068[14:49:29] <petn-randall> spinningCat: 100 GB might be enough, but only you can know that.
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• 1070[14:49:34] <peterandre> hi, anyone any idea why my volume in debian would fluctuate ?
• 1071[14:49:48] <petn-randall> spinningCat: A full install with a typical desktop is maybe 5 GB.
• 1072[14:49:48] <peterandre> im using standard rhythmbox with mp3s
• 1073[14:50:03] <ksk> spinningCat: why not just use the guided partitioning schema? if you have to ask for for every partition size that ounds reasonable
• 1074[14:50:19] <ksk> Id maybe recommend "guided with lvm" if thats still around in the installed, havent used it for a while
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• 1076[14:50:42] <ksk> with lvm you can later easily rezie a partition if it was needed
• 1077[14:50:42] <regdude> is GNOME on Debian quite stable or is there another environment that I should use instead?
• 1078[14:51:37] <ksk> regdude: what do you mean with stable?
• 1079[14:52:02] <petn-randall> regdude: Use whatever desktop environment you like.
• 1080[14:52:10] <ksk> I would assume most Desktop Environments on debian run as intended
• 1081[14:52:26] <regdude> I mean that there is no major issues. Some other distros don't seem to be liking GNOME
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• 1084[14:53:36] <petn-randall> !tias
• 1085[14:53:36] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1086[14:53:52] <ksk> you could check replaced-url
• 1087[14:53:53] <regdude> 772 packages, what can go wrong
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• 1135[15:49:21] <wrksx> hey there
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• 1140[15:52:29] <wrksx> I'm trying to know what was the maximum memory used on my box in the last few days, or since last boot. Couldn't find how to do that online. Any ideas? I was about to read the whole atop manual
• 1141[15:52:41] <wrksx> but maybe someone has a hint
• 1142[15:53:06] <petn-randall> wrksx: I'll assume it's 100%, unless your system is broken.
• 1143[15:53:15] <petn-randall> wrksx: What are you trying to debug/fix?
• 1144[15:53:28] <wrksx> wut
• 1145[15:53:51] <wrksx> petn-randall, I'm thinking about using a server with less memory
• 1146[15:54:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1230
• 1147[15:54:09] <petn-randall> !free ram
• 1148[15:54:09] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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• 1152[15:55:48] <wrksx> petn-randall, okay so maybe I want to know how much the programs consumed at the peek usage
• 1153[15:55:54] <wrksx> Probably
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• 1155[15:58:49] <wrksx> I'm not sure I get it
• 1156[15:59:09] <wrksx> what the the free command reports under the 'free' column
• 1157[15:59:11] <petn-randall> wrksx: I guess you can check that with atop, I don't know if it has a mode to output the peak usage. If in doubt just monitor it while running the most memory intensive application.
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• 1161[16:00:08] <wrksx> is the free column supposed to be empty if system is working as intended ?
• 1162[16:00:09] <petn-randall> wrksx: The "available" column would be the one you're interested in.
• 1163[16:00:45] <petn-randall> wrksx: No, it shouldn't be empty, there should be numbers.
• 1164[16:00:46] <wrksx> I don't have this culomn
• 1165[16:01:20] <wrksx> petn-randall, you said that linux tried to use free mem to store caches and buffers
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• 1167[16:01:42] <petn-randall> wrksx: Then paste the output of "free" to replaced-url
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• 1169[16:02:09] <petn-randall> wrksx: All OSes written later than 1990 pretty much do that.
• 1170[16:02:19] <wrksx> Okay
• 1171[16:02:21] <petn-randall> wrksx: Windows just hides that info to not "confuse" users.
• 1172[16:02:40] <wrksx> it says 15G of cache but I'm not sure... about stuff. I'll paste then we talk
• 1173[16:02:50] <wrksx> !paste
• 1174[16:02:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1176[16:04:23] <wrksx> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1179[16:05:38] <wrksx> the free 43G let me think I might be okay with less RAM
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• 1182[16:05:56] <wrksx> Am I missing something?
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• 1185[16:06:41] <petn-randall> wrksx: Which release is this?
• 1186[16:07:33] <wrksx> man I'm ashamed to tell
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• 1189[16:08:35] <wrksx> petn-randall, it's debian 7
• 1190[16:09:10] <petn-randall> I don't think it's covered by LTS anymore.
• 1191[16:09:12] <petn-randall> !wheezy
• 1192[16:09:12] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
• 1193[16:09:20] <petn-randall> !wheezy-lts
• 1194[16:09:21] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 1196[16:09:32] <greycat> Wheezy's LTS support ended a couple months ago.
• 1197[16:09:38] <petn-randall> wrksx: Indeed ^^^. Time to upgrade :)
• 1198[16:09:45] <wrksx> I knew that
• 1199[16:09:58] <wrksx> And I knew someone would find out one day and I would be ashamed =)
• 1200[16:10:19] <greycat> Are you kidding? Wheezy's YOUNG compared to a lot of machines out there.
• 1201[16:10:29] <wrksx> wut ?
• 1202[16:10:36] <wrksx> some people do not upgrade ?
• 1203[16:10:56] <greycat> Correct. Some machines reach a point where upgrading would be too high a cost to pay, so they just stay as is until they die.
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• 1207[16:11:20] * FinalX looks angrily in the direction of the one last etch-machine in a corner somewhere amongst hundreds of jessie/stretch boxes
• 1208[16:11:38] <wrksx> oh mama
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• 1210[16:11:43] <wrksx> I feel better now =)
• 1211[16:11:46] <greycat> Our last etch machine is no longer reachable, so I guess they turned it off. We've got a lenny though.
• 1212[16:12:00] <wrksx> Damn was that 6 ?
• 1213[16:12:11] <greycat> No, but I have several 6s (squeeze) too.
• 1214[16:12:22] <FinalX> oh, bugger. someone finally replaced it with a new box (stretch).
• 1215[16:12:25] <FinalX> shame.
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• 1217[16:12:30] <FinalX> was so nice to say we still had one.
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• 1221[16:13:10] <FinalX> we still have a bunch of wheezy-boxes too, though. things that nobody wants to touch with a ten-foot pole.
• 1222[16:13:24] <wrksx> haha
• 1223[16:13:44] <wrksx> I was already having nightmare because I didn't upgrade
• 1224[16:14:31] <FinalX> we don't really upgrade in some cases. in those cases we just hang up a new (stretch) machine and try to make whatever was set up on the old box work there and replace it with that new one.
• 1225[16:15:05] <greycat> Yes. That.
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• 1227[16:15:35] <wrksx> nice and that remove the stress from the upgrade
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• 1229[16:15:41] <wrksx> i HATE upgrades
• 1230[16:15:56] <wrksx> I always shit my pants
• 1231[16:16:05] <FinalX> yeah, we kind of only upgrade machines in a cluster with a few nodes to handle all load while that node is offline
• 1232[16:16:22] <greycat> Totally depends on the machine.
• 1233[16:16:27] <wrksx> so what's reported under the free column of the free output, what is it really ?
• 1234[16:16:28] <FinalX> like 10 webservers serving the same thing? down 3-4, upgrade, and put them back in the cluster if succesful, then go for the next nodes
• 1235[16:17:01] <FinalX> wrksx: replaced-url
• 1236[16:17:11] <greycat> wrksx: in wheezy? It changed after that.
• 1237[16:17:19] <wrksx> no fuckin way
• 1238[16:17:21] <greycat> !free ram
• 1239[16:17:22] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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• 1241[16:17:42] <greycat> I think that factoid ^^ is accurate for the wheezy version of free.
• 1242[16:18:03] <greycat> The stretch version doesn't *have* separate "buffers" and "cache" fields.
• 1243[16:18:15] <wrksx> shame
• 1244[16:18:38] <wrksx> so what's in the free column really is free mem in my case
• 1245[16:18:45] <greycat> In the older ones (e.g. wheezy), the "free" column is essentially "RAM that is going to waste right now because I couldn't find a use for it yet".
• 1246[16:18:46] <FinalX> hm. I love my VPS-cluster. All BGP with anycast, I destroy one, rest takes over.. oh the beauty of anycast :)
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• 1248[16:19:15] <greycat> Which is NOT the same as "RAM that is freely available to be used".
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• 1250[16:19:39] <wrksx> but it's a part of it
• 1251[16:19:42] <wrksx> right ?
• 1252[16:19:52] <greycat> What do you actually want to know?
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• 1255[16:20:11] <wrksx> getting 40 GB in the free column is not a good thing
• 1256[16:20:14] <greycat> Is it, "Do I have enough RAM or do I have to buy more?"
• 1257[16:20:20] <wrksx> no
• 1258[16:20:24] <wrksx> it's the contrary mate
• 1259[16:20:43] <wrksx> Have a look replaced-url
• 1260[16:20:54] <wrksx> (sorry to mate you that slipped so fast)
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• 1262[16:21:17] <greycat> You appear to have enough RAM for your current workload. Plenty.
• 1263[16:21:30] <greycat> Unless of course this machine hasn't reached its steady state yet.
• 1264[16:21:46] <wrksx> I'm actually considering using a server with less ram to save money
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• 1267[16:22:48] <wrksx> greycat, I knew I'm fine with those 96G, considering using only 65 on the next box
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• 1270[16:23:17] <wrksx> greycat, but I was looking for a technique to find out the peak mem usage
• 1271[16:23:33] <greycat> If you want stats over time, look into vmstat.
• 1272[16:23:33] <FinalX> unless I'm sorely mistaken, you're only really using 35G (apart from buffers/cache)
• 1273[16:23:36] <wrksx> to make sure I'll leave some for the system to operate nicely
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• 1275[16:24:25] <FinalX> going from 96G => 64G would still allow you to have what you have right there, and leave room. going down to 48G will reduce the buffers/cache. 32G is not enough.
• 1276[16:24:28] <wrksx> FinalX, that's what I understand, 35G for programs and 15.2G for cache+buffer
• 1277[16:25:05] <wrksx> thx greycat I'll look into it
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• 1279[16:25:22] <jelly> free RAM is daemons' playground
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• 1283[16:26:48] <suck_me> LONG LIVE THE JEWISH WORLD ORDER!!!!!!!!
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• 1291[16:27:46] <mefistofeles> jelly: may I ask what the ##arguments part do?
• 1292[16:28:09] <mefistofeles> jelly: ah, just a comment on the ban, I guess, nvm
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• 1295[16:30:10] <mefistofeles> jelly: oh, ok, thanks
• 1296[16:30:49] <wrksx> I don't understand why the system isn't loading more disk in the cache
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• 1299[16:32:25] <bites> because you didn't access more? it doesn't just cache random files.
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• 1302[16:33:30] <wrksx> yeah might be
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• 1314[16:41:30] <wrksx> Does that seems stupid to let vmstat run for 24 hours in order to get data for a typical day ?
• 1315[16:41:39] <wrksx> seem
• 1316[16:41:47] <greycat> No, not at all.
• 1317[16:41:55] <wrksx> so why not a week ?
• 1318[16:41:56] <wrksx> =)
• 1319[16:42:15] <greycat> Whatever you want.
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• 1321[16:42:30] <wrksx> I'll do that
• 1322[16:43:01] <jelly> wrksx: I've run iostat for 2+ months to gather data, what's a day
• 1323[16:43:23] <wrksx> A new world is opening in front of me
• 1324[16:43:47] <jelly> or set up decent monitoring of systems via snmp
• 1325[16:43:54] <jelly> and draw pretty graphs
• 1326[16:44:11] <greycat> I get the feeling this is a singleton server.
• 1327[16:44:16] <wrksx> indeed
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• 1334[16:46:05] <jelly> even a single ton of server deserves atop or munin installed
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• 1338[16:46:59] <wrksx> i HAVE ATOP
• 1339[16:47:04] <wrksx> woops sry for the caps
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• 1341[16:47:24] <wrksx> but I don't know how to use it seriously, all I can do is watch the system live
• 1342[16:47:44] <wrksx> wich is not as usefull as runnin vmstat or iostat for a week
• 1343[16:48:09] <jelly> you can track history of ram and disk usage, it keeps logs that can be replayed or specific time chosen
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• 1345[16:48:39] <wrksx> jelly, if you have a tip on how to effectively use atop for monitoring I'll be happy to know =)
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• 1348[16:49:17] <wrksx> jelly, yeah I was in the understanding that atop keeps weeks of data
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• 1366[16:58:04] <memo1> hi, i want a bash script that prints "yes" is a pid exist. Im get the pid using ps | grep -v | grep "firefox" | awk 'print $1'. What is the easy way to evalue is a get a number or nothing?
• 1367[16:58:36] <greycat> man pgrep
• 1368[16:59:13] <greycat> Whatever you're doing, it's wrong, badly wrong, completely wrong, but I won't waste my time arguing about it. You will fail and maybe learn, in a few years.
• 1369[16:59:17] <greycat> Meanwhile, man pgrep.
• 1370[16:59:17] <jelly> now available from the procps package!
• 1371[16:59:34] <jelly> likewise for its pkill sibling
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• 1374[17:00:33] <memo1> greycat: ok, once i get the answer how i evalueate in a script that the process have a number?
• 1375[17:00:52] <greycat> if pgrep whatever; then echo "yes"; fi
• 1376[17:01:08] <greycat> wooledg:~$ if pgrep sshd; then echo yes; fi
• 1377[17:01:08] <greycat> 599
• 1378[17:01:08] <greycat> yes
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• 1391[17:11:38] <memo1> greycat: thank you
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• 1416[17:29:13] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch with Xfce 4.12 Whenever I press brightness controlling keys (F4 and F5) it doesn't affect screen brightness at all. Previously, pressing those keys used to attain the desired effect on brightness but now it does nothing.
• 1417[17:29:37] <rootkea> How can I troubleshoot this issue? Any pointers will be really helpful.
• 1418[17:30:21] <greycat> dpkg, apt install is <reply>You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
• 1419[17:30:23] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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• 1421[17:31:25] <greycat> dpkg, gedbi is also or <apt install>
• 1422[17:31:25] <dpkg> greycat: okay
• 1423[17:31:39] <greycat> fuck, what did it do...
• 1424[17:32:21] <greycat> Oh, my fault.
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• 1426[17:32:28] <greycat> dpkg, gdebi is also or <apt install>
• 1427[17:32:28] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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• 1429[17:32:39] <diogenes_> rootkea, try booting with acpi_backlight=video
• 1430[17:32:53] <acidtripper> @#||@
• 1431[17:32:57] <greycat> dpkg, gdebi =~ s/, or//
• 1432[17:32:58] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 1438[17:34:58] <rootkea> diogenes_, Okay, thanks! I'll be right back.
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• 1495[17:50:01] <myoxo> Just a quick question, in case anyone knows - I am upgrading from debian 8 to 9, and I have come so far that I changed all instances of wheezy to stretch in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then I ran aptitude upgrade. It is currently on the resolving dependencies stage. open: 200398; closed: 537509; defer: 65; conflict: 149 - is this normal? It just seems so much.
• 1496[17:50:15] <greycat> WHEEZY to stretch!?
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• 1498[17:50:19] <greycat> this is a problem.
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• 1500[17:50:47] <myoxo> sorry, copy paste error! jessie
• 1501[17:50:49] <greycat> First: you must go 7->8 and then 8->9. You cannot go 7->9 directly. Second: you don't use aptitude for release upgrades.
• 1502[17:51:11] <myoxo> had some old out-commented entries in the file; I mis read.
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• 1504[17:51:36] <myoxo> etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
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• 1507[17:52:49] <myoxo> ok, so I should not use aptitude. Is it safe to halt the process and do it over, properly?
• 1508[17:53:09] <greycat> If it hasn't actually started unpacking .debs, sure.
• 1509[17:53:20] <RoyK> &j #debian-offtopic
• 1510[17:53:40] <myoxo> OK, done. Thanks!
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• 1514[17:54:57] <jelly> myoxo: if you're not sure, first fully upgrade your jessie system to current jessie packages and reboot. Then do the 8->9 procedures (after reading stretch release notes)
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• 1516[17:55:29] <myoxo> will do! thanks jelly & greycat
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• 1518[17:56:09] <jelly> myoxo: /etc/debian_version will give a slightly better clue about the last time this system was patched
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• 1523[17:59:18] <Gerowen> Getting this when I do apt-get update, ideas? The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
• 1524[18:00:03] <myoxo> jelly: Thanks, that was a useful tip. 8.11 atm.
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• 1531[18:02:18] <jelly> Gerowen: as I recall you can ignore that if things otherwise work
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• 1538[18:05:08] <Gerowen> Yeah everything is working fine, was just curious.
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• 1542[18:07:15] <hellyeah> how can i check debian use nvidia properity driver or free ones?
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• 1546[18:10:37] <jelly> hellyeah: there's probably half a dozen ways, looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log is one
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• 1548[18:11:19] <jelly> if it's not there it might be at ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log now
• 1549[18:12:32] <hellyeah> jelly good
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• 1552[18:14:48] <croziors> hi
• 1553[18:14:57] <croziors> how to share usb iphone internet with debian ?
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• 1559[18:20:36] <spinningCat> nvidia-driver break my system
• 1560[18:21:16] <petn-randall> spinningCat: That's not very surprising, the quality is sub par.
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• 1562[18:21:51] <petn-randall> croziors: If you phone supports sharing via USB, it should "Just Work" with network manager.
• 1563[18:22:09] <petn-randall> croziors: It will then show up as an option to connect to the USB network.
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• 1565[18:22:43] <spinningCat> sub par?
• 1566[18:22:58] <spinningCat> what does that mean
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• 1568[18:23:10] <croziors> how work in ssh ?
• 1569[18:23:14] <croziors> i don t have graphical
• 1570[18:24:18] <annadane> nvidia-driver is subpar, really? i always assumed it being closed source = nvidia's implementation of their own proprietary driver therefore superior to nouveau
• 1571[18:24:31] <annadane> though yes i've had issues
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• 1573[18:24:45] <annadane> nouveau seems to be of a higher quality but can't handle high loads
• 1574[18:24:50] <babilen> dkms worked for me quite well in the past
• 1575[18:24:57] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
• 1576[18:24:58] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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• 1578[18:25:31] <babilen> But, maybe, spinningCat might want to elaborate on what "break my system" means in detail
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• 1583[18:26:10] <spinningCat> i mean
• 1584[18:26:13] <spinningCat> X didnt come
• 1585[18:26:26] <spinningCat> always close and open the screen
• 1586[18:26:32] <spinningCat> it is like infinite loop
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• 1589[18:27:25] <petn-randall> spinningCat: "less than ideal", meaning bad.
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• 1593[18:28:04] <croziors> ??
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• 1597[18:28:56] <croziors> petn-randall ?
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• 1599[18:29:18] <petn-randall> croziors: `nmcli` is the terminal tool for it.
• 1600[18:29:23] <spinningCat> so i wobnt install nvidia-driver
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• 1603[18:29:54] <jelly> spinningCat: did the dkms part of the driver build successfully (that happens near the end of installation)?
• 1604[18:30:06] <petn-randall> croziors: Why are you trying to attach an iphone to a headless server?
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• 1606[18:30:27] <croziors> i wan create wifi hotspot with my iphone in usb
• 1607[18:31:05] <spinningCat> jelly, i purged nvidia-driver and everything worked fine
• 1608[18:31:37] <petn-randall> spinningCat: Sounds like you don't want to use nvidia-driver at all, then.
• 1609[18:31:44] <jelly> spinningCat: well alright then, that seems a valid choice
• 1610[18:31:55] <spinningCat> i want to use it
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• 1612[18:32:11] <spinningCat> but when i install it my system was broken
• 1613[18:32:16] <spinningCat> what can i do petn-randall
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• 1615[18:32:29] <jelly> spinningCat: do you have a discrete card or a laptop with optimus (mixed intel and nvidia)?
• 1616[18:32:30] <croziors> i see
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• 1618[18:33:03] <spinningCat> no i have just nvidia
• 1619[18:33:14] <spinningCat> i dont need optimus actually
• 1620[18:33:17] <jelly> spinningCat: which model, and which debian release?
• 1621[18:33:28] <spinningCat> i hanve nvidia gt425m
• 1622[18:33:40] <jelly> that sounds like a mobile card.
• 1623[18:33:43] <croziors> eth connected iphone disconnected
• 1624[18:33:49] <croziors> how connect in sssh ?
• 1625[18:33:53] <spinningCat> yeah laptop
• 1626[18:33:58] <spinningCat> i have nvidia buster
• 1627[18:34:16] <jelly> spinningCat: then you might not have a choice in having to use optimus
• 1628[18:34:36] <croziors> XXXXXXXX: déconnecté "iphone" 1 connection available bt (bluez), XXXXXXXXX, hw
• 1629[18:34:44] <spinningCat> yeah4
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• 1631[18:35:14] <spinningCat> i did nvidia-detect and installing nvidia-drivers was suggested
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• 1633[18:35:20] <jelly> spinningCat: if however if was a discrete gpu I'd point you to read the recipe from the bot: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
• 1634[18:35:25] <spinningCat> and i installed, restarted thats all
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• 1636[18:35:33] <jelly> ah, but that's not all
• 1637[18:35:39] <spinningCat> hmm
• 1638[18:36:11] <spinningCat> what else should i do?
• 1639[18:36:12] <jelly> you also need to blacklist nouveau, and you need to install correct linux-headers to make sure the kernel part of the driver builds
• 1640[18:36:35] <jelly> spinningCat: ask the bot: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
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• 1642[18:36:49] <luna_> Debian provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 51000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine. Read more...
• 1643[18:36:53] <luna_> whoops
• 1644[18:36:58] <luna_> installing Debian on an old laptop i got from my Aunt
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• 1647[18:38:32] <croziors> i think thie iphone if error wheni testing
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• 1656[18:41:07] <hellyeah> jelly,
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• 1658[18:41:12] <hellyeah> i am spinningCat
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• 1660[18:41:19] <hellyeah> i did everything dpkg told me
• 1661[18:42:13] <hellyeah> everything seems oke replaced-url
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• 1663[18:43:07] <hellyeah> i shall see
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• 1665[18:43:58] <spinningCat> it breaks
• 1666[18:44:13] <jelly> spinningCat and/or hellyeah: also, things in buster can break at any time, NO WARRANTY
• 1667[18:44:28] <jelly> if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces
• 1668[18:44:36] * mtn wants his money back!
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• 1679[18:51:13] <jelly> spinningCat: in particular nvidia driver glue code has to change quite often after a new kernel version is out
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• 1681[18:52:00] <jelly> spinningCat: you can try running "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" and see if it (re)builds properly, and you can try asking in the right place for testing
• 1682[18:52:05] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1683[18:52:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1686[18:54:42] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nfs-common
• 1687[18:54:43] <judd> Package: nfs-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.2.6-4; jessie: 1:1.2.8-9; stretch: 1:1.3.4-2.1; buster: 1:1.3.4-2.2; sid: 1:1.3.4-2.2
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• 1693[18:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> spinningCat: Since buster isn't released yet, nvidia does not support it fully.
• 1694[18:56:18] <jelly> nvidia doesn't support anything Debian
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• 1700[18:58:07] <spinningCat> wja
• 1701[18:58:09] <jelly> they support some kernels and some xorg versions. Those packages in non-free are done by some nice debian developers, making nvidia's software installable.
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• 1703[18:59:00] <jelly> whether it's going to actually work depends on kernel version, not a particular distro
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• 1706[18:59:34] <ssarah> Hei, how do I add a path to all users?
• 1707[18:59:46] <ssarah> i tried /etc/environment with no success.
• 1708[19:00:08] <jelly> ssarah: /etc/profile for sh and compatible login shells
• 1709[19:00:21] <ssarah> put this in it: PATH=/opt/puppetlabs/bin:$PATH
• 1710[19:00:36] <ssarah> so i put that line in /etc/profile?
• 1711[19:00:55] <jelly> or add to the relevant PATH= lines directly without $PATH reference
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• 1714[19:01:29] <jelly> ssarah: read /etc/profile, see where PATH gets set, and fix it according to your needs
• 1715[19:01:30] <ssarah> would prefer just to add a line or a file somewhere
• 1716[19:01:49] <Gerowen> Just did a clean install of 9.5 and noticed that the command "su-to-root" is not available. Is there some canonical replacement for it, or do I just need to install the correct package? I use it in some bash scripts to run things as root when I don't want the rest of the script also running as root.
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• 1718[19:02:37] <jelly> ssarah: if you read it, you'll find creating a file named like /etc/profile.d/somethinghere.sh might do the trick as well
• 1719[19:02:38] <TomyWork> does apt-get install mypackage=1.1* match version 1.10 of that package?
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• 1723[19:03:01] <jelly> TomyWork: that does not look like valid apt-get syntax
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• 1728[19:04:04] <TomyWork> jelly 1 sec lemme try that, maybe i'm mixing it up
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• 1730[19:04:12] <ssarah> jelly, ty :)
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• 1735[19:05:28] <TomyWork> alright, i found a package to test this with too actually :D
• 1736[19:05:31] <jelly> TomyWork: if you read man apt-get, SYNOPSIS says: apt-get [...] install pkg [{=pkg_version_number | /target_release}]...
• 1737[19:05:50] <TomyWork> apt-get install --dry-run nvidia-common=1:0.2.91.1*
• 1738[19:05:51] <TomyWork> Inst nvidia-common (1:0.2.91.12 Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [amd64])
• 1739[19:06:05] <rootkea> diogenes_, I just booted the grub with acpi_backlight=video but still screen brightness controlling keys don't work
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• 1741[19:06:22] <jelly> TomyWork: so you might do apt-get install foo=exact_version or you might do apt-get install foo/exact_release_name_from_the_repo
• 1742[19:06:24] <TomyWork> jelly well that seems to be inaccurate then :)
• 1743[19:06:36] <jelly> TomyWork: I only know what Debian's manual says.
• 1744[19:06:54] <jelly> TomyWork: if you're on Ubuntu best ask in #ubuntu channel
• 1745[19:07:10] <TomyWork> i dont think that's an ubuntu feature though
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• 1747[19:07:35] <jelly> I don't think we know what changes Ubuntu may have done to their apt-get command, TomyWork
• 1748[19:07:35] <TomyWork> maybe i should try this on a debian though, since the system i'm concerned with is a debian
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• 1750[19:08:25] <jelly> and even if it _does_ something, if it's undocumented behaviour it might change in the next patch or next release
• 1751[19:08:40] <jelly> relying on it seems... unwise
• 1752[19:08:50] <TomyWork> i want to argue for phasing it out
• 1753[19:08:52] <bites> judd: file su-to-root
• 1754[19:08:56] <judd> Search for su-to-root in stretch/amd64: menu: usr/bin/su-to-root, usr/sbin/su-to-root
• 1755[19:09:06] <TomyWork> for phasing out using it
• 1756[19:09:13] <bites> Gerowen: ^ the menu package has a binary with that name.
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• 1761[19:11:16] <Gerowen> bites: That was it, thank you, :-)
• 1762[19:11:39] <bites> no problemo
• 1763[19:11:55] <Gerowen> I love how tcptrack just reports your speed as 'LUDICROUS' if you're running at gigabit speeds, :p
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• 1765[19:12:12] <jelly> Gerowen: if you only use it in non-interactive scripts, consider replacing with some sudo configuration
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• 1770[19:13:27] <Gerowen> jelly: I've thought about it before, just haven't bothered with it yet. I'm just getting this system back up and operational after a drive swap.
• 1771[19:14:55] <Gerowen> Random sidenote, after the reinstall htop put 3 of my 6 cores off to one side instead of stacking them all, so at first all I saw was 3 cores and it scared the life out of me thinking something was wrong, :p
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• 1773[19:18:40] <TomyWork> jelly but you're right, it is not documented on that particular manpage. i'll add that to the list of arguments :)
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• 1776[19:22:24] <TomyWork> so tcptrack is to netstat like top is to ps? neat, been looking for something like that
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• 1780[19:23:57] <luna_> replaced-url
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• 1784[19:27:36] <TandyUK> replaced-url
• 1785[19:27:46] <TandyUK> or to downgrade libsqlite3 to the non backports version?
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• 1792[19:30:16] <TandyUK> ah apt-get install sqlite3=3.16.2-3~bpo8+1 for anyone else wondering
• 1793[19:30:35] <alad> or just use -t stretch-backports
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• 1795[19:30:44] <TandyUK> jessie, but ok
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• 1802[19:33:40] <hellyeah> do you suggest me to install debian stretch?
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• 1804[19:34:27] <TandyUK> if you want to sure
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• 1807[19:34:45] <TandyUK> do you suggest i continue breathing??
• 1808[19:34:54] <TandyUK> while were on stupid vague questions
• 1809[19:34:54] <hellyeah> i didnt ask for that
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• 1811[19:35:05] <hellyeah> yıou didnt follow conversation
• 1812[19:35:09] <hellyeah> scroll up
• 1813[19:35:15] <TandyUK> i wasnt here to follow convo
• 1814[19:35:21] <hellyeah> i need nvidia support
• 1815[19:35:31] <hellyeah> then dont be biased
• 1816[19:35:37] <hellyeah> i am using buster now
• 1817[19:35:37] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch with Xfce 4.12 Whenever I press brightness controlling keys (F4 and F5) it doesn't affect screen brightness at all. Previously, pressing those keys used to attain the desired effect on brightness but now it does nothing.
• 1818[19:35:45] <hellyeah> nvidia-driver break my system
• 1819[19:36:01] <TandyUK> [18:33] <hellyeah> do you suggest me to install debian stretch? << Well that didnt say that, i can only answer what you asked lol
• 1820[19:36:06] <areyouloco> hellyeah: use stretch is much more stable
• 1821[19:36:25] <hellyeah> they may have nvidia support well
• 1822[19:37:16] <areyouloco> replaced-url
• 1823[19:37:35] <hellyeah> they have buster nvidia-drvier too
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• 1826[19:38:54] <areyouloco> hellyeah: but buster is testing so some stuff might be broken
• 1827[19:39:29] <hellyeah> obvious yes
• 1828[19:40:12] <hellyeah> anytway will try to debian 9.4.0
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• 1842[19:50:32] <spacedust> hi i just installed spl-dkms and zfs-dkms and still have no zfs, what am i doing wrong ?
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• 1848[19:53:39] <jhutchins_wk> !zfs
• 1849[19:53:39] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
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• 1860[19:58:19] <jhutchins_wk> spacedust: I'm not totally familiar with dkms, but you have to run the build. It's usually triggered by a reboot with a new kernel, but I'm sure there's a way to trigger it manually.
• 1861[19:59:48] <spacedust> jhutchins_wk: it used to work just fine, but now i cant see any modules to load, i do modprobe zfs and nothing , there isnt such a module, i dont know what i did wrong maybe something i left out , now trying again :)
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• 1863[20:00:41] <greycat> I should hope it's triggered by installing a new kernel, not rebooting one.
• 1864[20:00:55] <greycat> Of course you also need the appropriate kernel headers.
• 1865[20:01:00] <idle-> depmod -a
• 1866[20:01:03] <idle-> Maybe?
• 1867[20:01:15] <spacedust> ah its failing to build it :) replaced-url
• 1868[20:02:09] <spacedust> heh : replaced-url
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• 1870[20:03:06] <Gerowen> Rofl at that error message: Shut er 'er down Clancy, she's pumpin' mud!
• 1871[20:03:26] <spacedust> hehe
• 1872[20:03:30] <annadane> out of curiosity are reboots for kernel upgrades only for switches to versions or any update? for example there was an upgrade to 4.9.0-7 and then later an actual full upgrade to 4.9.0-8
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• 1874[20:03:38] <annadane> i assume it's any kernel change that requires a reboot
• 1875[20:03:51] <spacedust> See `config.log' for more details
• 1876[20:03:55] <spacedust> ill have to find that
• 1877[20:04:00] <greycat> annadane: any kernel update
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• 1880[20:04:36] <spacedust> probably its missing something but what ?
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• 1885[20:09:10] <spacedust> well i found config.log , doesnt looks good
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• 1889[20:12:17] <spacedust> i think i found some other people with similar issues : replaced-url
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• 1911[20:34:44] <JPT> I'm trying to configure debian as a network client. I have some issues getting my network interface configuration to work with IPv6. My radvd announces the managed flag, so additional addresses should be configured through dhcpv6.
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• 1913[20:35:12] <JPT> However, the line "iface enp0s3 inet6 auto" does not seem to honor that. Now i'm looking for clues.
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• 1955[20:38:31] <JPT> Oh, nevermind. My dhcpd is probably misconfigured. tcpdump shows that dhcp6 solicitations are not answered.
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• 2000[20:46:28] <Gerowen> Shew, this is gonna take a while. Just added another 12TB drive to my home server so now I'm consolidating all my archival disc ISOs onto that drive so the other drives can be used for other things.
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• 2002[20:46:30] <Gerowen> replaced-url
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• 2005[20:46:44] <Gerowen> And that's the small bit stored on an external when my first 12TB drive got full, :p
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• 2021[20:49:52] <annadane> don't mix up your djsk labels :P
• 2022[20:49:58] <annadane> disk even
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• 2025[20:52:29] <Gerowen> I even printed out little labels on my label maker and stuck on the drives so if I ever need to open the server back up I know which is which, :p
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• 2027[20:52:59] <jhutchins_wk> Gerowen: Smart.
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• 2038[21:00:30] <Peyam> hi. everytime I put debian to suspend and want to wake it up it shows black screen, Then I need to go to tty1 and do sudo service lightdm restart. but this closes all my windows
• 2039[21:00:43] <Peyam> is it a better way of restarting the x system
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• 2041[21:02:07] <Peyam> I use Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.5 (stretch)
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• 2058[21:08:39] <HicksD> I'm using linux-image-4.17.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 from stretch backports and want to file a bug report, what debian package should I use in reportbug? just linux-image-amd64 or something more specific?
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• 2061[21:09:36] <greycat> as long as the bug gets filed, the maintainers can reassign it to the right package if you don't get it exactly correct
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• 2063[21:11:42] <annadane> i guess it's probably just linux-image-amd64
• 2064[21:11:53] <annadane> and you can specify a version number in reportbug
• 2065[21:11:58] <annadane> or just send an email
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• 2075[21:17:33] <Peyam> it does not regocnize my screen
• 2076[21:17:43] <Peyam> that I have connected to it's dp
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• 2081[21:21:27] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: Are you sure it's not just in screensaver?
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• 2083[21:22:14] <Peyam> jhutchins_wk, it totally black. I need to go to tty1 and restart lightdm service but all my applications will be closed
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• 2207[21:44:15] <annadane> you can always make an account and edit it yourself
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• 2217[21:46:48] <JPT> I'll consider that - i'm in the middle of setting up a test setup right now. :)
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• 2219[21:47:05] <annadane> i mean i would edit it but i'd unquestionably make it worse
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• 2283[21:55:34] <mpo> Why does Debian provide a mechanism to set the hostnames in /etc/hostname? Why does /etc/hostname override settings in /etc/sysctl.conf? Can I tweak this behaviour? Which processes get their info from /etc/hostname?
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• 2285[21:56:31] <greycat> What the hell is in sysctl.conf that's relevant and why did you ask the question THIS way instead of the other way?
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• 2287[21:57:34] <greycat> hostname(5) documents the use of /etc/hostname to store the hostname.
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• 2304[22:03:40] <mpo> That's one confusing answer, greycat.
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• 2308[22:04:08] <greycat> "man 5 hostname" is how you read hostname(5)
• 2309[22:04:17] <keith4> confusing answer for a confusing question
• 2310[22:04:27] <greycat> There is nothing confusing about my answer.
• 2311[22:04:35] <mpo> That's a confusing question?
• 2312[22:05:15] <greycat> Yes, I'm confused why you thought that the hostname should be set somewhere OTHER than /etc/hostname and why you thought that this place should be /etc/sysctl.conf especially after I looked in there and saw nothing about the hostname, nor in its man page either.
• 2313[22:05:53] <keith4> mpo: what's your real question?
• 2314[22:06:08] <mpo> keith4: I'm fine. Thanks.
• 2315[22:06:21] <keith4> this sounds like an XY Problem
• 2316[22:07:08] <QwertyChouskie> Quick question: Where has svn://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-games/packages/trunk/supertuxkart/ moved to?
• 2317[22:07:37] <babilen> salsa.debian.org
• 2318[22:08:08] <QwertyChouskie> I looked there, didn't find what I was looking for
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• 2324[22:12:44] <annadane> hm but maybe there is a salsa specific channel i can ask in
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• 2327[22:12:55] <annadane> dpkg: salsa
• 2328[22:12:56] <dpkg> annadane: I give up, what is it?
• 2329[22:13:17] <annadane> huh, no factoid for salsa.debian.org either
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• 2331[22:13:48] <annadane> which leads me to discover the alioth factoid is outdated
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• 2347[22:19:09] <annadane> maybe i can ask #debian-replaced-url
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• 2407[22:25:59] <hellyeah> dpkg nvidia dkms
• 2408[22:26:00] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 2409[22:26:06] <hellyeah> sorry
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• 2412[22:28:35] <hellyeah> when do i need stretch--backports replaced-url
• 2413[22:30:24] <hellyeah> i am in stretch now
• 2414[22:30:55] <hellyeah> if i remember correctly stretch backport is for more up to date package right
• 2415[22:31:03] <annadane> well what problem are you trying to solve?
• 2416[22:31:18] <hellyeah> installing nvidia driver
• 2417[22:31:24] <greycat> newer is not always better when it comes to video drivers
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• 2420[22:31:34] <hellyeah> ah okay
• 2421[22:31:37] <annadane> i mean, just use stretch's unless you have a specific issue
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• 2424[22:31:51] <greycat> identify which device you have (lspci -nn) and then figure out which driver you need for that device
• 2425[22:31:51] <annadane> nvidia-detect can tell you which one you need
• 2426[22:31:52] <hellyeah> i wont install nvidia driver from backports
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• 2428[22:32:48] <hellyeah> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 425M] [10de:0df0] (rev a1)
• 2429[22:32:52] <hellyeah> i have this card
• 2430[22:32:59] <hellyeah> nvidia detect install nvidida-drivers
• 2431[22:33:04] <hellyeah> driver*
• 2432[22:33:10] <annadane> so install nvidia-driver :)
• 2433[22:33:23] <hellyeah> when i check debian wiki i see there is part for backports
• 2434[22:33:30] <hellyeah> already did
• 2435[22:33:35] <babilen> Yes, information about that is offered
• 2436[22:33:38] <hellyeah> i just wonder do i need backport
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• 2438[22:33:48] <annadane> unless you have a specific reason, no
• 2439[22:33:54] <hellyeah> good
• 2440[22:33:58] <babilen> The important bit is to restrict yourself to the minimal configuration
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• 2442[22:34:01] <hellyeah> now it is clear than you
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• 2444[22:34:08] <greycat> 425M is listed on replaced-url
• 2445[22:34:16] <greycat> " on replaced-url
• 2446[22:34:25] <annadane> i'm only using one package from backports and purely because that's not already in stretch
• 2447[22:34:33] <annadane> (not nvidia related i just mean in general)
• 2448[22:34:33] <greycat> So, for this device, it looks like stretch-backports *is* recommended.
• 2449[22:34:39] <annadane> oh.
• 2450[22:34:46] <hellyeah> i understand
• 2451[22:35:11] <annadane> ah damn it now i feel like a moron. should check that more closely.
• 2452[22:35:20] <annadane> sorry.
• 2453[22:35:53] <hellyeah> no problem :) thank you greycat
• 2454[22:36:00] <hellyeah> for close look
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• 2460[22:39:32] <annadane> (is that worth a bug report to nvidia-detect?)
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• 2463[22:41:22] <annadane> i assume it doesn't not detect backports by design
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• 2465[22:42:10] <annadane> well, if it's in the main repository then it wouldn't
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• 2468[22:42:32] <annadane> there *is* an nvidia-detect in stretch-backports
• 2469[22:42:36] <annadane> bleh
• 2470[22:42:54] <annadane> which probably encompasses backports and main
• 2471[22:43:05] <annadane> so i guess you'd in most circumstances want that one anyway
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• 2473[22:44:24] <StringLiteral> hello, what does the "Maps" application refer to in displaying current location?
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• 2480[22:49:44] <spinningCat> nvidia driver breaks my system
• 2481[22:49:51] <spinningCat> i stuck in X what can i do?
• 2482[22:50:27] <greycat> identify which device you have (lspci -nn), then identify which driver you should use for that device
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• 2488[22:55:11] <spinningCat> nvidia gf100m (gforce gt425m)
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• 2490[22:55:18] <spinningCat> this is what i have
• 2491[22:55:45] <greycat> 16:25 + hellyeah [~spinningc@78.170.240.109] joined #debian
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• 2493[22:56:15] <spinningCat> hellyeah is also my nickname
• 2494[22:56:31] <greycat> If the stuff on the wiki page didn't work then I have no idea what to do.
• 2495[22:56:45] <spinningCat> hmm
• 2496[22:56:51] <spinningCat> how can i turn to X?
• 2497[22:57:04] <spinningCat> my system was broken now
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• 2499[22:57:25] <spinningCat> is it possible to connect wireless from terminal?
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• 2504[23:01:20] <Brigo> spinningCat, yes, you can connect wireless from terminal with ifupdown
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• 2507[23:02:12] <Brigo> spinningCat, for one time way you can use: iw dev wlan0 connect your_essid
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• 2515[23:07:00] <spinningCat> there is no command iw0 unfortunately
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• 2523[23:16:41] <ska> Anyone know how to get hangouts screenshare to work in Chromium?
• 2524[23:16:55] <ska> Can I use a backport or something?
• 2525[23:17:21] <jhutchins_wk> Very strange: suddenly, without any apparent changes to the system, postfix is looking for the MX record for it's relay. Put the hostname in brackets in the config and it's fixed.
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• 2530[23:20:58] <usney3> which is the best single board computer to use with debian?
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• 2532[23:22:00] <jhutchins_wk> !best
• 2533[23:22:01] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 2539[23:27:08] <usney3> that can work completely with a vanilla debian install jhutchins_wk
• 2540[23:27:26] <usney3> like all the hardware works without any proprietary software
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• 2547[23:32:50] <spinningCat> my system is broken
• 2548[23:32:52] <spinningCat> damn
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• 2554[23:36:50] <usney3> spinningCat
• 2555[23:36:58] <usney3> what seems to be the problem?
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• 2565[23:44:23] <awal1> any software from debian repos that I can use to project my android phone screen on my debian laptop?
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• 2573[23:49:58] <b0t> When I send an email from ssh with sendmail, the mail arrives instantly, when I send from php the same mail takes a long time to do it, how do I solve this?
• 2574[23:50:21] <spinningCat> usney3, i cannot initiate X
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• 2576[23:50:55] <spinningCat> after installing nvidia-driver my system is broken
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• 2579[23:53:12] <Brigo> spinningCat, how did you install it?
• 2580[23:53:55] <spinningCat> aptitude install nvidia-driver
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• 2582[23:55:43] <usney3> are you the guy that came in here named drax?
• 2583[23:55:50] <usney3> spinningCat ^^
• 2584[23:55:58] <spinningCat> drax?
• 2585[23:56:08] <usney3> nevermind
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• 2587[23:56:39] <usney3> drax was another user who was trying to install a nvidia driver
• 2588[23:56:43] <Necrony_> spinningCat, check owner on .xauthority file, it need to be owned by the user..
• 2589[23:57:01] <usney3> ls -l
• 2590[23:57:09] <spinningCat> i know yes
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• 2592[23:57:23] <spinningCat> i know the command i mean
• 2593[23:59:08] <Brigo> spinningCat, the we need to see the contents of the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log, can you paste it in paste.debian.net?
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