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• 40[00:32:05] <somiaj> Mr_Me: debhelper does this automatically to try to prevent flood joins, so the limit is often a reasonable number more than the current population.
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• 42[00:32:39] <Mr_Me> wait!
• 43[00:32:54] <Mr_Me> that's probably a miss-left on a remote
• 44[00:33:17] <Mr_Me> lol! Yes... i was using it as an example
• 45[00:33:22] <Mr_Me> sorry for that :P
• 46[00:33:30] <somiaj> ahh, I see
• 47[00:33:36] <Mr_Me> it was an on mode event :P
• 48[00:33:44] <somiaj> thought you were curious why debhelper was doing that
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• 50[00:34:42] <Mr_Me> haha no... i know why bots do that :p
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• 59[00:48:56] <ryouma> i have been trying to get sound to work for a long time. i get 8 clicks on speakers when booting. i do not understand lsmod's output, but it contains snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm_oss. should i do modprobe -r? does that change survive across reboots or not? thanks.
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• 64[00:51:28] <ryouma> it is really frustrating that sound does not work. it worked until i changed computers. i have tried with and without pulse.
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• 66[00:54:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> so guys is still the way i got to fix my dang wifi? replaced-url
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• 68[00:54:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> even in buster 10?
• 69[00:54:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> can't we get this in non-free?
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• 74[01:02:40] <ryouma> i just can't handle this sound problem any longer
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• 86[01:08:48] <nyov> ryouma: you can blacklist a module, that keeps across reboots
• 87[01:09:06] <k-man> how can i input emojis from the keyboard in gnome?
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• 91[01:09:57] <nyov> ryouma: like this: echo "blacklist snd_mixer_oss" >> /etc/modprobe.d/my-oss-blacklist.conf
• 92[01:10:21] <k-man> replaced-url
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• 95[01:11:57] <ryouma> nyov: that sounds like modprobe -r is just temporary. good. but do i need to get rid of oss to get sound to work? there are many "fix your sound on debian" pages and they are all different and they are all old.
• 96[01:12:24] <ryouma> k-man: no idea in gnome but if you use emacs c-x 8 ret
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• 102[01:13:35] <k-man> ryouma: yeah, i do use that in emacs, but I'm after a more general solution in gnome
• 103[01:13:38] <k-man> thanks
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• 126[01:29:14] <nyov> ryouma: you might have to get rid of oss, to get ALSA or pulseaudio to work
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• 129[01:30:41] <ryouma> i will try thanks
• 130[01:31:14] <ryouma> about to do modprobe -r snd_pcm_oss then same for snd_mixer_oss
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• 132[01:31:22] <ryouma> i presume this is the right thing?
• 133[01:31:37] <nyov> sure, can't do much harm
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• 136[01:32:13] <ryouma> done. do i ahve to reboot to get sound to work? then i guess iha ve to do tohse again.
• 137[01:32:35] <nyov> yeah, you should blacklist the modules, so it keeps across reboot
• 138[01:32:47] <ryouma> ok
• 139[01:33:01] <nyov> blacklist snd-pcm-oss
• 140[01:33:01] <nyov> blacklist snd-mixer-oss
• 141[01:33:01] <nyov> blacklist snd-seq-oss
• 142[01:33:17] <nyov> that's what I have in my modprobe.d/ anyway
• 143[01:33:40] <ryouma> ok
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• 163[01:43:24] <nyov> wow, I have quite the persistent bruteforce botnet going after this magento shop login. been at it over a month now, hahaha
• 164[01:44:48] <SnoopJeDi> they crave the pröduct
• 165[01:45:08] <nyov> not deterred by getting 404's or ip bans
• 166[01:45:32] <dvs> my minnions will try harder! ;-)
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• 169[01:46:20] <nyov> at least not anymore
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• 398[02:11:45] <Apollo8> I got a network device free, but not sure what to do with it, it has lots of port at the back, I suspect its switch, any idea how to work tis out?
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• 401[02:12:23] <SnoopJeDi> It doesn't have a model number or somesuch?
• 402[02:12:50] <Apollo8> i will check at one point
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• 404[02:13:04] <joze> it's made of silica and can do ethernet
• 405[02:13:11] <Apollo8> it has lot of ports and its Samsung, it says LAN, RUN etc
• 406[02:13:40] <SnoopJeDi> The model number should be the first thing you check for this question.
• 407[02:13:57] <Apollo8> okay thanks, i will check when I get up
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• 431[02:28:26] <TimMc> I have a Thinkpad with an encrypted partition (LUKS & LVM, the usual). I need to resize the OS partition so I can grow the swap space, but the Live USB image doesn't come with the lvm2 package.
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• 437[02:29:55] <TimMc> I can't get it over wifi because the firmware-iwlwifi package isn't there; I don't have whatever weird dongle is needed for Ethernet on newer laptops; and I'm not sure what packages I would even need to shuttle over via USB. Any ideas?
• 438[02:30:28] <TimMc> (Also, can't mount the drive to another computer, because it's an SSD chip and I don't have a cable for that...)
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• 441[02:33:17] <TimMc> Is my best bet the apt-offline package? (Also not present on Live images.)
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• 444[02:36:13] <fyber> I'm on a fresh 10.3 install and all graphics (including GDM/Gnome) are super slow
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• 453[02:44:24] <dvs> !firmware iso
• 454[02:44:25] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 463[02:49:24] <TimMc> ...wait a sec, how does the Debian installer set up LUKS + LVM in the first place, if lvm2 isn't present?
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• 470[02:53:18] <ryouma> TimMc: maybe it is in the initramfs or in the installer but not as a package? just a guess.
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• 473[02:54:39] <ryouma> (my own preference is to not use lvm at all because it just makes everything more complex (for me). but for sysadmins it seems like it would be worh it.)
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• 476[03:00:01] <hemimaniac> /msg dpkg 10.3
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• 482[03:08:15] <dipper> unattended-upgrades is so stupid it locks me out of "sudo sh -c 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'" as soon as the dist-upgrade
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• 487[03:10:02] <TimMc> ryouma: What's odd is that the CLI to LVM doesn't seem to be installed, e.g. pvscan and whatnot. (...I just realized it might be in /usr/sbin or whatever, and therefore I don't get it tab-completed, because Debian is weird about PATH.)
• 488[03:10:57] <TimMc> My main complaint is that the Live image is able to set up LVM—and AIUI *requires* it when setting up an encrypted disk—but then can't be used as a rescue image.
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• 491[03:12:32] <TimMc> (If you have a suggestion for a different way to set up full-disk encryption, I'm all ears!)
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• 494[03:13:21] <ryouma> you can set up fde usign the installer. it is tricky. idr hat you do because i barely understatood teh partition manager. but o9nce you udnerstand it youc an do it. i ahve done it. you can also set it up manually using cryptsetup.
• 495[03:13:33] <ryouma> i really did not want lvm!
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• 497[03:13:55] <ryouma> the only drawbacks for me are (1) i ahve to copy entire fses around to repartation and (2) i don't get snapshotting
• 498[03:14:17] <ryouma> the simplicity is worth it
• 499[03:15:05] <ryouma> (of not having lvm that is)
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• 501[03:15:31] <ryouma> so basically keep playing around with the partition manager in the installer until you understand it, then set up fde uysing it, is probably the best thing
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• 503[03:15:57] <TimMc> What do you do about swap?
• 504[03:16:07] <ryouma> i had swap partition also
• 505[03:16:31] <ryouma> but nowadays i am trusting arch wiki and i am going with swap files
• 506[03:16:40] <TimMc> interesting
• 507[03:16:43] <ryouma> which as i understand it are no worse unless you have a lot of fragmentation
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• 509[03:17:48] <ryouma> i stick the swap files in /media
• 510[03:18:22] <TimMc> Thanks, I had somehow forgotten that those were an option, and that might be a good path overall—both in the short term with this no-internet situation, and long-term if I can get rid of LVM.
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• 524[03:27:46] <TimMc> Looks like hibernate and swapfiles don't get along.
• 525[03:28:15] <ryouma> oh i didn't think about that
• 526[03:28:24] <ryouma> i don't hibernate or estivate
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• 528[03:29:37] <TimMc> estivate, heh
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• 531[03:30:14] <ryouma> above i meant fde without lvm
• 532[03:31:09] <ryouma> nematodes do dauer; presumably bacteria and leeches have special things they do too
• 533[03:31:53] <ryouma> i am glad nobody is correcting me on swap files wisdom here -- suggests arch wiki is correct
• 534[03:32:33] <TimMc> Bacteria can encyst. :-)
• 535[03:32:48] <ryouma> for swap the installer will set up initramfs for hubernation. if you do it manually you have to set that up yourself presumably
• 536[03:32:50] <TimMc> yeah, replaced-url
• 537[03:32:51] <ryouma> ah
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• 539[03:33:39] <TimMc> I even did the tiny-ext2-in-a-large-partition trick on one machine. Hacky as hell, but safe for some value of "safe".
• 540[03:34:03] <TimMc> but again, that doesn't work with hibernation
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• 542[03:34:30] <ryouma> oh to get a stable uuid?
• 543[03:34:33] <ryouma> why can't you use wwn?
• 544[03:35:18] <ryouma> i think arch wiki might be uncharacteristically wrong there
• 545[03:36:30] <TimMc> No idea. Hardware addresses is an area I have basically zero experience in.
• 546[03:36:51] <TimMc> Seeing mixed messages on swapfiles and hibernation though. Will keep looking.
• 547[03:37:00] <ryouma> well there is a page on persistent naming
• 548[03:37:30] <ryouma> oh? you can hibernate to a swap file that is on luks? impressive if true.
• 549[03:37:57] <ryouma> if that is what you mean
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• 551[03:39:30] <ryouma> so you map it in the initramfs and then resume i guess
• 552[03:41:27] <nyov> ryouma: did your sound work out?
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• 554[03:42:15] <ryouma> no, but i ahve not rebooted yet. valentine's day don't want to have a reboot that does not boot. we will watch somethign without soudn.
• 555[03:42:40] <nyov> :o
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• 557[03:43:05] <nyov> well. i can promise those blacklisted modules won't break your boot ;)
• 558[03:43:10] <ryouma> hehe
• 559[03:43:25] <ryouma> i can't have the bright lights of a boot at night, at least
• 560[03:43:25] <nyov> but as you wish
• 561[03:43:30] <TimMc> My current setup is LUKS with LVM, and the OS partition and swap partition are both inside that. So in a sense, I already have that... but it's a partition, not a file.
• 562[03:43:30] <ryouma> nyov: i have low expectations that removing those modules will work just because so many other thigns i tried did not work but it would be wonderful if it does work. thank youf or the help.
• 563[03:43:52] <ryouma> nyov: i will try rebooting and try sound tomorrow afternoon
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• 565[03:44:20] <ryouma> TimMc: the page you linked says it should work
• 566[03:45:24] <ryouma> swap files hibernation that is
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• 569[03:48:48] <nyov> ryouma, would you like to try fixing it without rebooting?
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• 573[03:52:07] <nyov> I guess not :)
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• 602[04:08:57] <Church-> Ugh, I am getting far to used to packaging stuff
• 603[04:09:00] <Church-> This is awful
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• 606[04:12:34] <JackFrost> Church-: Did you end up using aptly or reprepro?
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• 609[04:14:11] <Church-> Use a hosted service, packagecloud
• 610[04:14:31] <Church-> I mean as in scripts for generating control, rules, etc as well as getting my dirs all nice and shiny
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• 614[04:17:51] <JackFrost> Huh, weird.
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• 638[04:40:10] <ryouma> nyov: yes! definitely! but i can't right now!
• 639[04:41:09] <ryouma> Church-: oh /making/ packages
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• 688[05:23:55] <gogoman46> I am a debian user but this has nothing to do with debian. I cant find a chanel to ask this question in. This is a true story. My grandma forgot her iphone 6 digit password. Does anyone know any program to bypass this..
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• 690[05:27:33] <Guest93386> gogoman46: #debian-offtopic
• 691[05:27:48] <gogoman46> thanks
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• 769[07:02:14] <Plasmoduck> anyone around? I have a question about screen. I'm currently compiling a program, but I want to disconnect from the ssh session and be able to log back in and still see the program compiling. I didn't attach screen to it first (didn't think about it). Is it too late now? Or can I login to another ssh session and attach screen to that tty session somehow?
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• 772[07:04:33] <valdyn> Plasmoduck: to latr
• 773[07:04:37] <valdyn> Plasmoduck: to late
• 774[07:04:47] <Plasmoduck> damn, thought so
• 775[07:04:54] <Plasmoduck> what about cat /dev/vcs*
• 776[07:05:27] <valdyn> Plasmoduck: just interrupt the compilation
• 777[07:05:37] <Plasmoduck> can I do that?
• 778[07:05:44] <Plasmoduck> Wont it have to start all over again?
• 779[07:05:56] <valdyn> Plasmoduck: not usually
• 780[07:06:03] <Plasmoduck> I'm compiling a custom firmware for OpenWRT on my Raspberry Pi
• 781[07:06:27] <Plasmoduck> so if I ctrl+c then logout and log in then 'make' again it should continue?
• 782[07:06:45] <Plasmoduck> It's been going for about 10 hours already so I'd hate to restart it again
• 783[07:07:08] <valdyn> Plasmoduck: probably not worth that risk
• 784[07:07:16] <Plasmoduck> That's what im thinking
• 785[07:07:21] <Plasmoduck> I'll jsut wait then
• 786[07:07:57] <Plasmoduck> I'm an idiot though, I should have just compiled it on my iMac
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• 789[07:08:24] <Plasmoduck> It's an i5 2.9Ghz Quad core
• 790[07:08:32] <Plasmoduck> Would probably be done by now
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• 797[07:16:40] <nyov> you can disown the process. but no way to get it back then
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• 801[07:20:51] <ZaZaGX> hi
• 802[07:21:59] <toruvinn> Plasmoduck, if you're using `make' then make usually checks the timestamp of the built targets and if they're fresh enough, does not recompile them... but i dont know the exact rules there, so i cant promise anything
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• 831[07:50:35] <dftxbs3e> hello, what's debian's policy for accepting suid binaries?
• 832[07:51:14] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: don't know. But you should really avoid it, unless there's a valid use case.
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• 837[07:52:00] <nvz> dftxbs3e: and perhaps you sould ask on OFTC ( irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net ) in #debian-mentors
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• 839[07:53:02] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, my use case is a nginx multi user configuration management tool, primarily aimed at sharing configuration access to the reverse proxy part of nginx, so that a single front-facing host can allow many users inside a lan to register their domains on the proxy without sys-admin intervention
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• 846[07:53:55] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: sounds like zillions of ways to gain root access through that.
• 847[07:54:03] <dftxbs3e> the proper way would've been to use a dynamic reconfiguration feature of nginx but unfortunately that's not available in the Free Software version, only the proprietary NGINX Plus. So I'll have to stick with editing configuration as-is and sending SIGHUP
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• 850[07:54:33] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, I don't plan on giving full configuration access, just adding very specific bits of configuration in a very restricted way
• 851[07:54:42] <nvz> dftxbs3e: policy is a question for Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers, they hang out on the official network.. #debian on either network is compromised largely of normal users offering support to other users
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• 854[07:55:06] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: "famous last words" ;-)
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• 858[07:55:32] <dftxbs3e> nvz, alright! I'll try there
• 859[07:55:34] <dftxbs3e> thanks
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• 868[08:03:54] <nyov> dftxbs3e: counter-question: why can't you use setcap capabilities ? replaced-url
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• 870[08:06:06] <dftxbs3e> nyov, hmm, how would that work? I'm imagining a workflow where users run my program (it's TUI) and their account is their authentication, how would I set capabilities at this point? how could that problem be allowed to send SIGHUP to the nginx process? (that one would run as root..)
• 871[08:08:18] <nyov> actually, from reading your texts, I'd say owning the configuration to a custom group, and adding all the users to that group, might make the most sense
• 872[08:08:49] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: sending sigup / restarting nginx is not the issue: sudo nginx -s reload
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• 874[08:09:03] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, 'sudo'
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• 876[08:09:19] <dftxbs3e> I don't want users to require administration privileges
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• 878[08:09:27] <dftxbs3e> or, I could configure sudo to allow only a single command..?
• 879[08:09:34] <nyov> yes
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• 881[08:09:44] <nyov> sudo makes sense here, actually
• 882[08:09:48] <dftxbs3e> can that be done in debian at package configuration time?
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• 887[08:10:10] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: you can put a file to /etc/sudoers.d/ and several packages already do that, I believe
• 888[08:10:11] <dftxbs3e> what about preventing users from adding free-form configuration?
• 889[08:10:24] <nyov> sure. /etc/sudoers has the line includedir /etc/sudoers.d
• 890[08:10:28] <dftxbs3e> I don't really want to have a daemon :-|
• 891[08:10:38] <dftxbs3e> (at least, if I don't need to)
• 892[08:10:47] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: the problem is that nginx usually runs as root and letting users configure nginx may become dangerious.
• 893[08:10:59] <nyov> true
• 894[08:11:05] <dftxbs3e> It may but in my use case, it wont
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• 897[08:11:36] <dftxbs3e> As much as I'd like that nginx implement some way to do multi-user configuration,,
• 898[08:11:38] <dftxbs3e> .. *
• 899[08:12:25] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: if you want multiple domains on a single ip/port, perhaps sniproxy is better for your use case?
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• 901[08:12:55] <Wulf> or haproxy if it supports that too (probably does)
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• 903[08:13:09] <dftxbs3e> problem is that sniproxy would occupy 80/443 and it can only do that, and on that front facing server, other stuff may be running under ngin
• 904[08:13:11] <dftxbs3e> nginx *
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• 906[08:13:24] <dftxbs3e> HAProxy, NGINX and sniproxy support what I want to do
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• 910[08:14:00] <dftxbs3e> HAProxy even supports dynamic reconfiguration, the thing that I need, but the problem is that in my communities, no one really uses or is experienced with HAProxy so I'm trying to stick to the most popular solutions
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• 913[08:14:43] <dftxbs3e> I have a use case where I simply want to let users bring their own infrastructure and use the network access of our hackerspace
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• 915[08:15:06] <dftxbs3e> so we can have servers sitting there with people hacking things and putting services up without centralized administration
• 916[08:15:37] <dftxbs3e> It's been a major bottleneck in the community, centralized administration
• 917[08:15:49] <dftxbs3e> Because the whole Linux sys-admin model enforces that.. ugh
• 918[08:16:26] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: then sniproxy sounds like the better idea. They configure the domains and they need to setup their own web server.
• 919[08:16:35] <Wulf> and they bring their own cert too.
• 920[08:16:44] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, sure, I planned on doing that with nginx too
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• 922[08:16:52] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: nginx can't do that.
• 923[08:16:57] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, it can!
• 924[08:17:15] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, replaced-url
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• 927[08:17:41] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: oh, nice.
• 928[08:17:55] <nyov> anyway, you can use a custom config group, setgid the config-dir, and put all your users in that group
• 929[08:17:55] <dftxbs3e> AFAICT, apache2 cannot.
• 930[08:18:28] <dftxbs3e> nyov, so every user has control on everyone's domains?
• 931[08:19:01] <dftxbs3e> I'd like that the system verifies domain ownership, then registers it, and then that user is owner of and can share access to his own domain to another user on the machine
• 932[08:19:09] <woddf2> Is there a way to get systemd to suspend on critical temperature instead of outright halt?
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• 934[08:19:49] <woddf2> It's not a hardware hard poweroff, either, as it actually went through the entire systemd halt process when it reached 103°C or 104°C or whatever.
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• 936[08:20:12] <nyov> dftxbs3e: ah, that sounds more complicated
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• 938[08:21:28] <dftxbs3e> nyov, well, a simple sqlite3 db to manage records, TXT DNS records for verification..
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• 941[08:21:38] <dftxbs3e> the more I think about it, the more I realize I need a daemon..
• 942[08:21:46] <dftxbs3e> how unsatisfying
• 943[08:21:54] <nyov> dftxbs3e: though I wonder why you'd ask for debians setuid policy there
• 944[08:22:17] <dftxbs3e> I ideally want to make such an application easily packagable so I'm trying to fit the distro-inclusion policies
• 945[08:22:24] <nyov> ok
• 946[08:22:43] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: you could require your users to setup a web server with a valid certificate. And whoever can present you such a server is allowed access to their domain.
• 947[08:22:46] <dftxbs3e> I think such a tool could be really useful for many hackerspaces to share their limited access to network
• 948[08:23:26] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, what if they *don't* have a public IP?
• 949[08:23:46] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: letsencrypt certs can be acquired with DNS method.
• 950[08:24:00] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, right. ok.
• 951[08:24:28] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: or ALPN. You could forward those requests to not yet authenticated users.
• 952[08:25:44] <dftxbs3e> hmm
• 953[08:26:08] <dftxbs3e> that would be kind of a lock-in to letsencrypt though
• 954[08:26:19] <dftxbs3e> anyways, interesting. I'll think about it. Thanks!
• 955[08:26:50] <dftxbs3e> ohh.. and I don't want to require users to setup HTTPS at all either
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• 957[08:27:34] <nyov> or maybe just use ~/public_html dirs ;)
• 958[08:27:34] <dftxbs3e> even if that's good practice, I don't think it's the role of that tool to enforce practices
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• 963[08:30:01] <dftxbs3e> I'm thinking maybe Virtualmin or ISPConfig can do what I want to do, not sure about the SNI things though
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• 966[08:32:28] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: how about using ipv6 instead? Give users public ipv6 addresses and don't setup anything else ;-)
• 967[08:32:57] <dftxbs3e> Wulf, that we already do, but IPv4 is very much necessary in today's world to offer public resources unfortunately..
• 968[08:33:07] <dftxbs3e> lots of ISPs still don't offer IPv6 access
• 969[08:33:26] <dftxbs3e> even though, 4to6 exists.. it's a configuration overhead
• 970[08:33:33] <Dagger> LE use ACME to automate their cert verification. it's a standard protocol, and you can use ACME clients with any supporting CA
• 971[08:33:51] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, good to know it's standard.
• 972[08:34:23] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: sadly, it's true: replaced-url
• 973[08:34:24] <Dagger> ...you might ask why approximately no other CA bothers to support it, but that's more a question for the other CAs and their terrible service than anything else
• 974[08:34:54] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: I've been given v6 for like 4-5 years now by my isp.
• 975[08:35:05] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, :-) - how can you even compete with LetsEncrypt by now
• 976[08:35:28] <Wulf> dftxbs3e: ev certs and longer life times.
• 977[08:35:38] <Dagger> and I think you could probably stick a reverse proxy up that directs inbound requests by SNI, so it wouldn't need configuring for each host
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• 979[08:36:10] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, yes, I consider that an hard project requirement
• 980[08:36:16] <Dagger> just set the AAAA record to the real server and the A record to the proxy. proxy looks up the AAAA from SNI and uses that
• 981[08:36:17] <dftxbs3e> It wasnt the idea of Wulf
• 982[08:36:32] <dftxbs3e> hmm
• 983[08:36:57] <dftxbs3e> Interesting
• 984[08:37:12] <Wulf> Dagger: sounds possible, but not trivial to do.
• 985[08:37:20] <dftxbs3e> So there would have to be a mapping between IPv6 and local-IPv4
• 986[08:37:26] <Dagger> I didn't read most of the above conversation so maybe none of this is relevant or was already mentioned
• 987[08:37:32] <dftxbs3e> or, just redirect.. right
• 988[08:37:45] <dftxbs3e> Nevermind yeah, just proxy IPv4 to IPv6
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• 990[08:37:58] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, it is very relevant. I think that's a very cool idea.
• 991[08:38:40] <Dagger> you wouldn't need any local v4. inbound v6 goes direct, inbound v4 goes to the reverse proxy (which then goes via v6 internally)
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• 993[08:42:13] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, yup. Understood that now. Brilliant.
• 994[08:43:20] <dftxbs3e> I can certainly script that in nginx with lua or njs :-)
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• 1002[08:47:06] <Dagger> hm, I guess you'd need to be careful to not make an open proxy. you'll need some way to limit it to just hosts that should be using it
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• 1007[08:49:55] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, sure. I'll have some restriction where we can define the ranges we own inside
• 1008[08:50:31] <dftxbs3e> that machine is also likely going to be the router that routes IPv6 traffic through, so it wont go back to the Internet
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• 1011[08:50:54] <dftxbs3e> It's directly connected to the PPPoE link
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• 1014[08:51:17] <dftxbs3e> We could even simply use the interface information
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• 1019[08:53:56] <urxtnw> If you want an application to start at startup I can only find how to do it with this program called startup application. But what is that program actually doing? Isn't there an easier way to do it by comand line?
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• 1021[08:54:36] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, crontab -e
• 1022[08:54:46] <dftxbs3e> or, in the context of your desktop?
• 1023[08:54:51] <urxtnw> yes
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• 1025[08:55:05] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, which desktop?
• 1026[08:55:10] <urxtnw> gnome, let's say I want to manage my desktop with nemo-desktop
• 1027[08:55:24] <urxtnw> instead of nautilus and I want to start nemo-desktop (from cinnamon)
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• 1030[08:57:24] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, so, probably that could work: adding a .desktop file inside ~/.config/autostart/
• 1031[08:57:47] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, how do I create that .desktop file?
• 1032[08:58:01] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, basically I'm just asking how do I start a program at startup
• 1033[08:58:08] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, replaced-url
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• 1035[08:58:41] <dftxbs3e> if not command line: replaced-url
• 1036[08:58:43] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, thank you I'm going to give it a try
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• 1038[08:59:01] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, yes, I was curious how that program works
• 1039[08:59:10] <urxtnw> since it definitely didn't create that .config file
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• 1041[08:59:40] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, GNOME has an internal registry of settings AFAIK
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• 1043[08:59:56] <dftxbs3e> but you're right, it's very obscure, I needed to know about such earlier and still can't quite figure it out.
• 1044[09:01:09] <urxtnw> i see, thank you!
• 1045[09:01:25] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, replaced-url
• 1046[09:01:27] <dftxbs3e> woops
• 1047[09:01:32] <dftxbs3e> replaced-url
• 1048[09:01:35] <dftxbs3e> I meant to forward that.
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• 1050[09:01:51] <nvz> urxtnw: your original thought is the easiest way.. using the "startup applications" its a hook into the session manager
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• 1054[09:04:54] <urxtnw> nvz, it worked. The easiest way, instead of installing a whole new program was to follow the tutorial in what dftxbs3e just pasted, and created a .desktop file in .config/autostart
• 1055[09:05:15] <dftxbs3e> good to know! glad to help
• 1056[09:05:46] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, I skipped some lines they had there and it worked!
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• 1058[09:05:48] <nvz> if you're using gnome you don't install anything.. the gnome-session is already there and running
• 1059[09:06:21] <urxtnw> nvz, latest gnome doesnt allow desktop items. GNOME themselves said to use nemo (from cinnamon/nautilus fork) if we wnat that
• 1060[09:06:38] <urxtnw> so I can use nemo-desktop to handle the desktop items and still use nautilus for the rest
• 1061[09:07:14] <nvz> idk what you're talking about with that.. adding a startup program to the session doesn't require any of that
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• 1063[09:07:30] <nvz> but if you did it manually then kudos
• 1064[09:07:59] <urxtnw> nvz, how would you do it?
• 1065[09:08:26] <nvz> I just use the GUI tool for Startup Applications that does it for me
• 1066[09:08:39] <nvz> but all it does is create a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart
• 1067[09:09:07] <urxtnw> it actually doesn't. I still don't know how it works. probably modifies some init file in /etc/
• 1068[09:09:13] <urxtnw> since that config/autostart was empty
• 1069[09:09:46] <urxtnw> the reason I was looking for a manual way is that I don't want to install a program just for that and I know it's possible to manually edit init files some way really easy and that's what i was looking for
• 1070[09:09:48] <nvz> in MATE I go to System>Preferences>Personal>Startup Applications I would have to resume my GNOME vm to see how its done in GNOME but its probably very similar
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• 1072[09:10:13] <nvz> the program is already installed its part of the session manager which is part of the DE
• 1073[09:10:25] <urxtnw> AH, I see
• 1074[09:10:38] <urxtnw> Gnome has something similar called gnome-tweaks
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• 1076[09:10:51] <urxtnw> but for some reason it couldnt find my program since it's a sub-program
• 1077[09:11:07] <urxtnw> nemo is the real program and nemo-desktop is the executable that deals with desktop icons only
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• 1079[09:11:31] <urxtnw> it's a gnome thing or I dont know how to use the GUI
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• 1081[09:12:38] <nvz> IMHO GNOME sucks big time.. Cinnamon, MATE, XFCE are the better ones
• 1082[09:12:59] <urxtnw> nvz, actually in that link dftxbs3e posted in the comments they say the same thing, that you can't specify arguments.
• 1083[09:13:00] <dftxbs3e> or just i3
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• 1085[09:13:35] <urxtnw> dftxbs3e, I am actually doing this for a friend who is new to linux and wants desktop items, I got him debian so it's easier for me to maintain if he breaks something
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• 1087[09:13:50] <nvz> i3 isn't a DE.. I was speaking of the complete DEs in the tasksel
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• 1091[09:14:04] <dftxbs3e> urxtnw, heh it was a bit of a joke anyways
• 1092[09:14:13] <urxtnw> oh I see, haha
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• 1097[09:18:50] <nvz> seems after checking my gnome vm that gnome-tweaks is where they hid the hook for startup apps @.@
• 1098[09:19:02] <nvz> mate has mate-tweaks but thats not where the startup thing is
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• 1100[09:19:17] <nvz> startup applications should't be considered a "tweak"
• 1101[09:19:33] <nvz> its a basic feature of the damn session manager :P
• 1102[09:19:52] <urxtnw> I agree
• 1103[09:19:56] <nvz> and in MATE it shows all the startup stuff even the bits you didnt add custom
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• 1125[09:51:29] <dftxbs3e> Dagger, seems like I can achieve something alike what you offered (delegate configuration to DNS records), as plain NGINX configuration: replaced-url
• 1126[09:52:34] <dftxbs3e> ugh, only available in NGINX Plus! pff
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• 1129[09:53:53] <dftxbs3e> it doesnt seem to allow you to restrict to a range though
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• 1134[10:00:37] <jmd> How can I know what "architecture" I need to install?
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• 1136[10:00:56] <dftxbs3e> jmd, what machine are you running on?
• 1137[10:01:04] <dftxbs3e> exact model?
• 1138[10:01:19] <jmd> I'm not (yet). That's why I'm asking.
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• 1140[10:02:04] <dftxbs3e> there's a big chance that if you don't know what machine you are running on, it's either amd64 (if recent machine) or i386 for older (+10 years) machines
• 1141[10:02:41] <dftxbs3e> jmd, don't you know the computer model reference number and brand for that machine?
• 1142[10:02:56] <jmd> All I know is that it's a Fujitsu. I don't see any model number printed on the box.
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• 1147[10:03:30] <dftxbs3e> Okay. Just to explain: an architecture is the environment and language the computer's processor understands
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• 1149[10:04:31] <dftxbs3e> Debian is built for many of those, most people download amd64 because that's what Intel i3, i5, i7 and AMD etc. processors support
• 1150[10:04:33] <jmd> I think I know the basics. My question is: Given a particular machine, how can I tell which architecture is appropriate for it.
• 1151[10:05:27] <dftxbs3e> You'll have to know the model number and look up the processor, if nothing is written, open the machine and read information from the top of the processor
• 1152[10:05:35] <dftxbs3e> If it's Intel or AMD and the machine is rather recent: amd64
• 1153[10:06:00] <dftxbs3e> If it's Intel or AMD and the machine is rather old (10+ years, pre-vista): i386
• 1154[10:06:24] <dftxbs3e> If it's not Intel or AMD, then look up the model number, that'll be your best resource.
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• 1156[10:06:35] <dftxbs3e> When you purchase a machine, it must be explicitly written somewhere
• 1157[10:07:02] <jmd> I purchased it second hand.
• 1158[10:07:03] <dftxbs3e> Fujitsu sells SPARC architecture servers and otherwise x86 (Intel/AMD) machines
• 1159[10:07:13] <dftxbs3e> SPARC isnt supported by Debian, so.
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• 1162[10:07:41] <jmd> I thought it was.
• 1163[10:07:45] <dftxbs3e> x86 is amd64 or i386, amd64 is also called x86_64 and i386 is x86.
• 1164[10:09:10] <dftxbs3e> jmd, I think that machine is likely supporting amd64, if that doesnt work, try i386 and you'll be set!
• 1165[10:09:36] <dftxbs3e> It will tell you during install if it doesnt work
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• 1203[10:29:14] <Wulf> Kats99: upgrade without upgrade?!
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• 1205[10:29:44] <Kats99> Yeah. The usual upgrade
• 1206[10:29:51] <Kats99> apt-get upgrade
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• 1208[10:30:37] <Kats99> I want to skip 'apt-get upgrade' and do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
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• 1211[10:33:11] <sbug> Kats99: you might want to read 'man apt-get'
• 1212[10:33:18] <Kats99> That's because when I do 'apt-get upgrade', I have to download around 100 mb of packages but if I do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I get to download around 150 mb of packages. So instead of wasting data on those 100 mb packages I'd like to just download the 10.3 packages. Is that alright?
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• 1214[10:34:39] <ratrace> Kats99: it's not. if you upgrade and then dist-upgrade you'll still have 150MB to download in total. they're shared set.
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• 1218[10:35:56] <Kats99> ah ok
• 1219[10:37:49] <ratrace> more or less, some differences could occurr, but definitely it's not 100 + 150
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• 1271[11:14:13] <jmd> I don't see anywhere that the md5sums for the install .isos are published.
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• 1273[11:15:09] <rwp> jmd, Look for them in the directory next to the images. Example: replaced-url
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• 1337[11:57:36] <KaffeeKatrin> Hello fellow debianers, could anyone recommend me an application to input unicode emojis in gnome3?
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• 1349[12:09:34] <Drag_me_on_> Hi, is there an equivalent to Ubuntu's live patching on Debian?
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• 1353[12:10:16] <KaffeeKatrin> Drag_me_on_: You mean for live kernel patching?
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• 1355[12:10:33] <Drag_me_on_> KaffeeKatrin: Yep, live kernel patching.
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• 1361[12:12:45] <sbug> KaffeeKatrin: there is one installed by default called "Characters"
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• 1369[12:15:02] <KaffeeKatrin> sbug: Oh that sounds nice
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• 1371[12:15:12] <KaffeeKatrin> sbug: how do I access/enable it?
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• 1374[12:16:29] <KaffeeKatrin> 👾👾👾Oh wow it works like a charm
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• 1376[12:16:31] <sbug> just press super key (windows key) to start search, then start write "char" and it will show
• 1377[12:16:34] <sbug> :)
• 1378[12:16:58] <KaffeeKatrin> sbug: I wish there was an input method for it
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• 1380[12:17:48] <KaffeeKatrin> sbug: pressing space plus super changes the mocz input method on this gnome installation, if I had an input method to type emojis that would be cool.
• 1381[12:18:14] <KaffeeKatrin> I only learned about unicode emojis recently and I absolutely love them.
• 1382[12:18:49] <KaffeeKatrin> I have to use them in E-Mails and textmessages everywhere, so I need an effective way of inputting them 👍
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• 1458[13:18:32] <TimMc> KaffeeKatrin: At some point, Ctrl Shift e worked for me to bring up an emoji palette, kind of like Ctrl Shift u for unicode input. Doesn't seem to work at the moment, though.
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• 1477[13:33:58] <KaffeeKatrin> TimMc: Doesn't work
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• 1512[14:07:47] <jmd> Most (> 70%) of USB sticks are incapable of booting debian. What should I look for when purchasing one to do the job?
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• 1514[14:08:43] <joepublic> I am not sure what would make a USB stick inherently non-bootable
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• 1516[14:09:03] <jmd> I'm not either. That's why I'm asking.
• 1517[14:09:32] <joepublic> I have had good success with the cheap sandisk sticks from office depot.
• 1518[14:09:46] <joepublic> Lexars work well for me also
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• 1520[14:09:56] <petn-randall> jmd: I've never heard of that claim before, and it doesn't correlate with my experience.
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• 1525[14:10:16] <joepublic> PNY sticks seem to work well
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• 1527[14:10:47] <petn-randall> Up until now 100% of the USB disks have worked for me, except for ones that returned obvious read errors.
• 1528[14:11:11] <joepublic> same experience here, if a stick doesn't work it's because it's defective
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• 1540[14:14:58] <jmd> I think that's probably the crux of it. Most USB sticks are "defective". When just using them to transfer the odd small file, it doesn't usually matter - if there's an error the system will retry that read. But booting an OS is another matter it has to have zero read errors under all circumstances.
• 1541[14:15:42] <joepublic> most non-counterfeit sticks I have tried have not been defective.
• 1542[14:16:05] <jmd> non-counterfeit ???
• 1543[14:16:17] <jmd> How can a stick be counterfeit?
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• 1545[14:16:34] <EdePopede> claiming to be bigger than they actually are
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• 1547[14:16:47] <EdePopede> or reporting incorrect PCI IDs.
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• 1549[14:17:14] <EdePopede> cheap crap from some backyard with a name of a quality brand on it
• 1550[14:17:15] <joepublic> I have a "Samsung" (not really) stick that is counterfeit but actually holds the full stated amount
• 1551[14:17:20] <joepublic> exactly
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• 1553[14:18:20] <jmd> The only one I've found in my entire collection which works, just has some Spanish (I think) words written on it.
• 1554[14:18:48] <jmd> "COMUNE DI SIENA Enjoy Siena"
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• 1557[14:18:59] <joepublic> I think that's italian
• 1558[14:19:15] <jmd> Well foreign anyway.
• 1559[14:19:19] <EdePopede> jmd: read the pci id, look into the database what it actually is. and then rethink when you bought them and where and for what price for which capacity.
• 1560[14:20:15] <jmd> What database?
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• 1563[14:20:42] <EdePopede> some month ago i got a 128GB for 10 euros in the electronics shop around the corner. no problems so far. but i wouldn't trust some ebay or amazon seller offering 256GB for the same price
• 1564[14:20:48] <joepublic> this database -> replaced-url
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• 1566[14:21:34] <joepublic> or perhaps this one? replaced-url
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• 1572[14:24:09] <EdePopede> personally i prefer sth like replaced-url
• 1573[14:24:12] <joepublic> I bought a "2TB USB3" stick for about $10 recently on ebay. It's a USB2 stick with a blue connector heh
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• 1575[14:24:26] <Apollo8> Hi I am having problem with my USB flash drive, I formatted it to FAT32 bu utilizing Gparted parition tool and now when I try to add music files in the flash drive, it says permission needed etc
• 1576[14:24:27] <EdePopede> uh. already checked it?
• 1577[14:25:00] <joepublic> it holds 2TB. shrug. I ordered it in order to test it bad and report the seller, but...
• 1578[14:25:02] <EdePopede> ah lol
• 1579[14:25:10] <jmd> Apollo8: I'm not an expert, but I think Gparted cannot format anything.
• 1580[14:25:32] <joepublic> gparted formats. that's one of the things it does.
• 1581[14:25:32] <jmd> Apollo8: It's a partitioning tool and not a formatter.
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• 1585[14:26:13] <joepublic> gparted is categorically a formatting tool.
• 1586[14:26:38] <Apollo8> i think i have resolved it but lets try it in my DVD player to play music from USB port jmd
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• 1588[14:28:28] <Apollo8> but other important thing I need some help is with network device, I picked up from bin where somebody threw it, i picked it up and here is the image of it replaced-url
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• 1594[14:36:01] <joepublic> maybe ask about that gizmo in ##hardware ?
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• 1657[15:33:23] <ignas> hi, so I am building a debian package, and want to set my build dependency to be a range of versions, is there a way to do that, or maybe some spec for the package-list part declared in replaced-url
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• 1659[15:35:15] <ksk> ignas: yes, packages can depend on package-X versions > 5 < 10 or so, if you want that.
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• 1664[15:38:21] <john_rambo> Hi, I am a newbie. Can someone please tell me Debian 10 will reach its end of life ?
• 1665[15:38:47] <ksk> it will.
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• 1667[15:39:08] <ksk> john_rambo: see replaced-url
• 1668[15:39:13] <ksk> !buster eol
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• 1674[15:39:39] <john_rambo> ksk, Sorry typing mistake I meant to ask "when" ?
• 1675[15:39:49] <john_rambo> ksk, Checking that link now
• 1676[15:40:09] <ksk> dpkg: buster EOL is "Buster is scheduled to be EOL ~20222"
• 1677[15:40:10] <terr__> joepublic, I did not know about ##hardware. What do they ususally discuss? Any specific types of hardware? I am beating my head against the wall trying to find out what power USB devices need and what is available - I find lies and things not said and I now found out my main supplier sold me a poersupply for a Raspberry Pi that cannot possibly do the job... and they say now its my job to figure this out. Are _each) of their customers suppose to do this?
• 1678[15:40:10] <dpkg> okay, ksk
• 1679[15:40:24] <ksk> ah shit. close one..
• 1680[15:40:39] <ksk> dpkg, no, buster EOL is "Buster is scheduled to be EOL ~2022"
• 1681[15:40:39] <dpkg> ksk: okay
• 1682[15:41:05] <joepublic> terr__, pretty much any hardware, mostly computer hardware of course but sometimes i see them talking about cars
• 1683[15:41:21] <john_rambo> ksk, Only 3 years of support ?
• 1684[15:41:32] <terr__> joepublic, I'm going to pop in for a visit.
• 1685[15:41:56] <ksk> john_rambo: it seems so, yes. which is still a huge timespan in regargs to enterprise deployments imho. there will also be LTS support after that.
• 1686[15:42:38] <terr__> joepublic, #hardwarw - invite only
• 1687[15:42:44] <john_rambo> ksk, Kindly explain what do you mean by "LTS support"
• 1688[15:43:00] <ksk> !lts
• 1689[15:43:01] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
• 1690[15:44:04] <ksk> while it is not maintained by the security team it is rather usable/stable/on point I would say. They will most likely not support all packages though. For example, if the php shipped with buster goes EOL in halve a year ( just guessing ) it would need a whole lot of manpower to backport all the fixes..
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• 1692[15:44:42] <ksk> ( the normal debian buster release cycle would of course include backported security fixes, per definition )
• 1693[15:45:03] <john_rambo> ksk, Got it. Thanks. Personally do you think it is safe to use Buster when it reaches its "extended state" ?
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• 1698[15:46:15] <ksk> you will need to check which packages are out of scope for the LTS team if time comes, but apart from that, yes, totally.
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• 1700[15:46:51] <john_rambo> ksk, Got it
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• 1708[15:51:56] <ksk> !next
• 1709[15:51:56] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1711[15:52:07] <KaffeeKatrin> Someone give me good anime recommendations
• 1712[15:52:14] <KaffeeKatrin> oh wrong channel sorry
• 1713[15:52:16] <KaffeeKatrin> :'D
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• 1738[16:20:03] <terr__> joepublic, thanks for the lead to ##hardware. I will get answers in the future. I think I know who I can buy a USB tester from. And it looks like I might be able to just buy some cables from Unicomp... and that would be rather nice.
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• 1740[16:21:05] <joepublic> good luck
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• 1837[17:31:37] <steercat> !ops troll in #debian-offtopic
• 1838[17:31:37] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: steercat complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1860[17:55:29] <kittonian> hi all. came in a few days ago because there is no one in the #spamassassin channel and I was hoping to find someone who knows SA really well to assist with a few issues I'm having on a long running server
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• 1864[17:56:01] <ratrace> !ask
• 1865[17:56:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1866[17:57:23] <darwi> Hi. I'm debianizing a SW package for cross-compilation. I build the package succesfully using: "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -a arm64". In the last step though, dpkg-shlibdeps complains it "cannot find library libstdc++.so.6"
• 1867[17:58:15] <darwi> Any ideas how to move forward?
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• 1870[18:00:30] <CaptainShell> I assume that all the libraries that a program needs for cross compiling need to be installed
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• 1872[18:01:13] <jmd> CaptainShell: Only if you want to build that program.
• 1873[18:01:35] <darwi> CaptainShell, I already have libstdc++6-arm64-cross installed
• 1874[18:01:35] <jmd> or run it.
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• 1877[18:03:20] <darwi> CaptainShell, jmd, so installing libstdc++6-arm64-cross is not enough then?
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• 1879[18:03:46] <thenori> This may sound petty, but -- when I launch my web browser with a keyboard shortcut, it appears with the 'no icon' icon on the dock
• 1880[18:04:22] <thenori> I'm not concerned with fixing that as much as getting a way to trigger the proper .desktop file with a keyboard shortcut
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• 1883[18:05:19] <thenori> What would I have to put in the 'command' box to trigger a desktop file like that? I don't seem to need to do that with other applications... simply 'terminator' gets me the proper iconified 'terminator' when I press super-q
• 1884[18:05:29] <jmd> darwi: Not enough for what?
• 1885[18:06:07] <darwi> jmd, for the dpkg-shlibdeps error during arm64 cross compile to go away
• 1886[18:06:33] <jmd> Dunno. What error are you getting?
• 1887[18:07:01] <thenori> My 'update-alternatives' for gnome-replaced-url
• 1888[18:07:06] <jmd> I presume you have also installed the -dev- version ?
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• 1892[18:08:56] <darwi> jmd, I cross-compile the package almost successfully using: "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -a arm64". In the last step though, dpkg-shlibdeps complains it "cannot find library libstdc++.so.6"
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• 1894[18:10:28] <jmd> and you have installed libstdc++-8-dev-arm64-cross ?
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• 1896[18:10:47] <darwi> lemme check
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• 1898[18:12:26] <darwi> jmd, yes :(
• 1899[18:12:30] <darwi> it's installed
• 1900[18:13:34] <jmd> Then I would have expected it to work.
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• 1909[18:21:24] <sama3l> running Kali Rolling 2020.1 since last update/upgrade my nvidia card is not working. getting the following in my kern.log replaced-url
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• 1911[18:21:44] <sama3l> I have had the kernel module behind the client version before and i know that usually requires a reboot or the kernel module to be upgraded but I have never had the client behind the kernel module before
• 1912[18:22:09] <sama3l> as far as I can see all packages are of the same version
• 1913[18:22:41] <joepublic> sama3l, that sounds like a job for #debian-offtopic
• 1914[18:24:14] <annadane> no, because -offtopic isn't a support channel
• 1915[18:24:16] <annadane> !kali
• 1916[18:24:16] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1917[18:24:21] <annadane> ask the kali people ^
• 1918[18:24:38] <annadane> !based on debian
• 1919[18:24:38] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1921[18:26:03] <darwi> !help
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• 1928[18:31:00] <samba35> how to create a vnet interface before we cerate a guest on openvsiwthc (same thing i am able to do it linux bridge )
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• 1930[18:34:05] <darwi> !ubuntu
• 1931[18:34:05] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 1934[18:35:25] <temp_292323> Help ASAP. I'm stuck in the qemu GTK view window. What keybind do I need to input to get my inputs back?
• 1935[18:35:49] <joepublic> Sorry, "Help ASAP" not found.
• 1936[18:36:03] <temp_292323> Well, I need an answer since I can't control my main PC.
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• 1938[18:36:23] <joepublic> no doubt, but it's the weekend and knowledgeable people are fewer in number.
• 1939[18:36:39] <temp_292323> Hang on, manpages.
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• 1941[18:37:03] <darwi> temp_292323, Ctrl-alt-+
• 1942[18:37:29] <joepublic> well. that *was* ASAP. I stand corrected, and apologize.
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• 1950[18:43:48] <annadane> debian user support: faster than a speeding bullet
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• 1952[18:44:29] <sweep90> Is there a simple screen-locker like slock and i3lock that can display the date/time?
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• 1956[18:45:50] <kittonian> OK, here is the question. After upgrading Spamassassin to 3.4.3 in Jan, where I also upgraded all related perl modules via CPAN, two things started happening. 1. SA is completely ignoring my whitelist_from_rcvd and whitelist_auth lines (this was never a problem previously and nothing in my local.cf was modified). 2. Every e-mail is getting tagged with No rDNS no matter where is comes from (even Gmail and Yahoo). Last week I upgraded SA to 3.4.4 as well
• 1957[18:45:50] <kittonian> as the relevant perl modules in the hopes it would resolve the issue but it did not. In fact, it added an issue where in my syslog I now get tons of lines stating dns: no callback ID, which from googling, is directly related to Net::DNS
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• 1963[18:48:26] <ratrace> kittonian: so wait, you're using custom installed perl packages via CPAN instead of debian packaged?
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• 1965[18:49:07] <n_1-c_k> kittonian, I think you're brave to have "upgraded all related perl modules via CPAN"... and what ratrace said
• 1966[18:49:10] <kittonian> ratrace, everything on this long running server (at least for the most part) is custom compiled
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• 1968[18:49:27] <ratrace> kittonian: also, there's no 3.4.3 in Stable, so what exactly are you running there?
• 1969[18:49:30] <ratrace> ,v spamassassin
• 1970[18:49:31] <judd> Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.0-6; jessie-security: 3.4.2-0+deb8u2; stretch: 3.4.2-1~deb9u3; stretch-security: 3.4.2-1~deb9u3; buster: 3.4.2-1+deb10u2; buster-security: 3.4.2-1+deb10u2; buster-backports: 3.4.4-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.4.4-1; sid: 3.4.4-1
• 1971[18:49:43] <kittonian> spamassassin installed via cpan
• 1972[18:49:55] <kittonian> 3.4 was released in early jan and 3.4. came out last week
• 1973[18:49:55] <ratrace> so not something we can support here as it's not debian package.
• 1974[18:50:07] <kittonian> 3.4.3 was released in early jan and 3.4.4 came out last week
• 1975[18:50:16] <ratrace> not in Debian Stable
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• 1978[18:50:51] <kittonian> ratrace, i asked if anyone was really good with SA to assist with an issue, specifically noting that I haven't had much luck in the official SA channel
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• 1982[18:51:10] <ratrace> kittonian: well I run SA on all our servers, but debian packaged and there's no issues
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• 1984[18:51:18] <ratrace> (all our mail servers)
• 1985[18:51:24] <kittonian> and I have been a freenode member and a debian user for almost 15 years. there's nothing about only using deb packages to discuss things in this channel
• 1986[18:51:58] <ratrace> kittonian: well the problem is, we can't support third party packaging becasue there's infinite variations of those with no idea what modifications are where and why and how.
• 1987[18:52:11] <ratrace> unless you expect entire Freenode to flock to #debian to ask about random stuff
• 1988[18:52:20] <kittonian> nope. this is all straight from apache. it is not 3rd party
• 1989[18:52:26] <kittonian> deb packages are 3rd party
• 1990[18:52:32] <ratrace> it's third party in Debian _stable_ the OS supported here in #debian
• 1991[18:52:49] <kittonian> i'm not going to argue with you
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• 1993[18:53:40] <ratrace> kittonian: I'm willing to look up our configs and what we do but that's of little value to you, is it, since you don't use the same packages.
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• 1999[18:54:37] <kittonian> as I said, my configs have not changed and everything has been working fine for years
• 2000[18:54:52] <kittonian> the only thing that changed was the upgrade to the latest version
• 2001[18:55:21] <kittonian> and I do not know how to troubleshoot it to find out why the whitelists are not working, and it is not detecting rDNS
• 2002[18:55:34] <ratrace> good luck with that
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• 2008[19:01:49] <ratrace> kittonian: otoh, tho... do you have libnet-dns-perl installed or whatevre the upstream cpan name is?
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• 2016[19:09:40] <user_> does anyone know if tp-link tl-wn722n supports monitor mode?
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• 2018[19:10:39] <ratrace> #hardware might
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• 2020[19:11:33] <user_> what do you mean "#hardware"?
• 2021[19:11:45] <user_> is it a channel?
• 2022[19:11:50] <ratrace> yes
• 2023[19:11:59] <user_> ok thx
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• 2038[19:16:52] <sponix2ipfw> Wow that is a lot of banning lol
• 2039[19:17:22] <terr__> yes I am
• 2040[19:17:48] <joze> yhow to ban dockerized users?
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• 2046[19:20:02] <sama3l> Thanks anyways guys,
• 2047[19:20:17] <sama3l> I was really just hoping someone could point me in a relative direction
• 2048[19:20:48] <sama3l> I'll try another channel
• 2049[19:20:51] <tomreyn> dpkg did
• 2050[19:20:51] <dpkg> tomreyn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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• 2088[19:35:50] <Whyvn> is there a single place to change the system wide font size for my applications and terminal? I am just seeing references to the terminal, but I am not seeing references system wide.
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• 2090[19:36:29] <ratrace> Whyvn: your desktop environment's settings would be the first place to check
• 2091[19:36:50] <Whyvn> ratrace: that makes sense, thank you.
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• 2128[19:58:16] <notsoslimshady> Hello! I am encountering problems with a realtek integrated audio card(asrock z77 pro3 motherboard). I have installed the firmware-realtek package yet the only output option in pulseaudio is my nvidia gpu(using the proprietary drivers). Has anybody encountered this issue and managed to get it working? Here is my dmesg: replaced-url
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• 2130[19:59:50] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: whatever chip it may be, it is driven by snd_hda_intel
• 2131[19:59:56] <notsoslimshady> I am using Debian 10 stable
• 2132[20:00:05] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: so lets see "lspci -k"
• 2133[20:00:55] <notsoslimshady> replaced-url
• 2134[20:01:17] <valdyn> Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
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• 2136[20:02:32] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: you only have one audio device and that is NVIDIA Corporation GP106 High Definition Audio Controller it seems
• 2137[20:02:40] <notsoslimshady> yes
• 2138[20:02:42] <notsoslimshady> my gpu
• 2139[20:02:52] <notsoslimshady> it outputs on hdmi2
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• 2141[20:03:08] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: lspci lists *all* devices, not all devices that have a driver
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• 2146[20:03:33] <notsoslimshady> it is not on pci
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• 2149[20:03:45] <notsoslimshady> it is an integrated audio card
• 2150[20:03:46] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: on usb?
• 2151[20:03:53] <notsoslimshady> on the mobo
• 2152[20:04:05] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: of course on the mobo - but that does not mean thats its not pci
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• 2154[20:04:22] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: it is possible its this one : PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1083/1085 PCIe to PCI Bridge (rev 03)
• 2155[20:04:42] <notsoslimshady> very likely
• 2156[20:04:57] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: anyway i cant see an audio device beyond the nvidia - thats odd
• 2157[20:05:19] <notsoslimshady> i used the nvidia-driver package
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• 2159[20:05:58] <notsoslimshady> from the non-free repository
• 2160[20:06:10] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: thats ok, but its not relevant
• 2161[20:06:16] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: your nvidia audio uses snd_hda_intel
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• 2163[20:08:24] <tomreyn> maybe try: journalctl -b | grep -i audio | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2165[20:08:26] <notsoslimshady> when i installed debian it said that firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw was missing and if i could install it manually
• 2166[20:08:29] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: its probably not enabled in your bios
• 2167[20:08:39] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: ignore that message, its also irrelevant
• 2168[20:08:52] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: its about your network card, and that network card still works
• 2169[20:09:00] <notsoslimshady> yes
• 2170[20:09:28] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: check your bios - as there is not audio device listed in lspci
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• 2172[20:09:47] <notsoslimshady> brb rebooting
• 2173[20:09:54] <tomreyn> it could also be that you blacklisted a driver
• 2174[20:10:15] <notsoslimshady> i blacklisted noveau
• 2175[20:10:25] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: irrelevant also
• 2176[20:10:29] <notsoslimshady> it was baclisted by nvidia drivers
• 2177[20:10:39] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: yea, thats ok
• 2178[20:10:53] <tomreyn> right
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• 2181[20:11:57] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: that chip should just need snd_hda_intel, no firmware on top. The problem is that its not there at all because its not in lspci
• 2182[20:12:47] <notsoslimshady> no blacklisted drivers
• 2183[20:12:58] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: this is not a driver issue
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• 2185[20:13:20] <notsoslimshady> rebooting my biso brb
• 2186[20:13:24] <armin> my BISO
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• 2188[20:13:51] <tomreyn> what's a "BISO"?
• 2189[20:13:54] <armin> i don't know.
• 2190[20:14:11] <tomreyn> "Biso (9th century–9 September 909) was a Bishop of Paderborn"
• 2191[20:14:12] <sbug> a keyboard. You put basic input and it gives system output
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• 2195[20:16:20] <tomreyn> "Binary-Input Symmetric-Output"?
• 2196[20:17:05] <tomreyn> i can't seem to find anything on it.
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• 2201[20:20:39] <tomreyn> also this lspci didn't look a lot like it was a keyboard :)
• 2202[20:21:05] <notsoslimshady> I enabled audio from bios
• 2203[20:21:38] <notsoslimshady> it works now
• 2204[20:21:44] <tomreyn> so *someone had disabled it there?
• 2205[20:21:59] <notsoslimshady> i did a cmos reset
• 2206[20:22:06] <notsoslimshady> some time ago
• 2207[20:22:30] <tomreyn> and the default setting on the bios is to disable the adio chipset? this seems not so likely.
• 2208[20:22:37] <tomreyn> *audio
• 2209[20:22:51] <notsoslimshady> dont know
• 2210[20:23:32] <notsoslimshady> Dont have any memories of turning it on or off
• 2211[20:23:34] <tomreyn> so, generally, when you disable hardware on the hardware / firmware layer, don't expect an OS to be able to use it.
• 2212[20:23:42] <tomreyn> ok
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• 2214[20:24:13] <valdyn> that hits me with kvm, every time
• 2215[20:24:23] <notsoslimshady> how do i set it as a default now
• 2216[20:24:24] <valdyn> and thats really disabled by default appearantly
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• 2218[20:24:44] <valdyn> notsoslimshady: if you use pulseaudio, hit the symbol in pavucontrol
• 2219[20:24:46] <notsoslimshady> the output device as the sound card
• 2220[20:25:03] <valdyn> (and you should be using pulseaudio anyway)
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• 2223[20:25:49] <notsoslimshady> Thanks a lot!
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• 2226[20:26:20] <valdyn> you're welcome
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• 2308[21:55:37] <elm_> how can I download the Debian 8 blue ray?
• 2309[21:55:59] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
• 2310[21:56:09] <UndefinedIsNotAF> After this operation, 39025 MB of additional disk space will be used.
• 2311[21:56:17] <elm_> I know replaced-url
• 2312[21:56:17] <UndefinedIsNotAF> dafuk? can i say YEs?
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• 2314[21:56:40] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I have 1TB of SSD, my os can handle 39GB of new packages?
• 2315[21:56:41] <elm_> I need to double check an image
• 2316[21:57:46] <quadrathoch2> UndefinedIsNotAF: what are you trying to install?
• 2317[21:58:00] <elm_> ahh: replaced-url
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• 2350[22:25:46] <raver> Hi, what could be the issue when `apt search package` is extremely slow
• 2351[22:25:58] <raver> Debian buster on aarch64
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• 2356[22:27:05] <raver> Debian buster on aarch64
• 2357[22:27:05] <raver> Thanks in advance 🙂✌️
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• 2359[22:28:49] <bit1> hello.
• 2360[22:30:43] <sbug> raver: harddrive/filesystem issue?
• 2361[22:31:43] <dob1> I am not able to search an ip with grep grep -R "10.1.1.*" ./* gives me strange results I would like to search as pattern
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• 2364[22:32:36] <raver> sbug: hmm it's a rockpro64 on a fresh class a sd card...
• 2365[22:32:54] <raver> The rest of the system is really responsive
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• 2368[22:33:18] <raver> And apt update and apt install is normal too..
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• 2371[22:33:53] <dob1> grep -R -P '10\.1\.1\..' ./* |less seems ok
• 2372[22:34:07] <sbug> dob1: yes '.' is any char
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• 2377[22:38:15] <sbug> raver: you could install 'strace' then run 'strace apt search something' and look where it stalls
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• 2380[22:39:56] <raver> Thx I'll try, brb
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• 2382[22:40:00] <raver> 🙂
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• 2384[22:40:24] <phogg> dob1: just use grep -FR '10.0.0.' for that
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• 2387[22:41:07] <phogg> dob1: or 10.1.1., as you have it. tl;dr -F makes the pattern literal and not a regex. Since you're escaping all meta chars anyway that's what you want
• 2388[22:42:01] <dob1> phogg, ok thanks
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• 2391[22:44:33] <raver> sbug: strace shows crazy amount of reads very quickly
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• 2397[22:54:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> so....
• 2398[22:54:08] <raver> sbug: can l check the (root)
• 2399[22:54:20] <raver> Filesystem?
• 2400[22:54:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got a weird thing where groupadd is not found in buster..
• 2401[22:55:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> did it die off or something? salt still thinks it should be there and it can't find it to run nor on the cli
• 2402[22:55:50] <sbug> raver: does it stop on any read?
• 2403[22:56:17] <bit1> Eryn_1983_FL, ls /usr/sbin/groupadd ?
• 2404[22:56:39] <raver> sbug: up to now no
• 2405[22:56:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> was not in path
• 2406[22:57:00] <sbug> raver: so the program ends?
• 2407[22:57:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> lolol
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• 2409[22:57:18] <raver> Yes after about 5 min
• 2410[22:57:39] <raver> On another machine with debian buster it runs in about 30 sec
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• 2413[22:57:57] <raver> Slower hardware
• 2414[22:58:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok it added it that time
• 2415[22:58:04] <sbug> raver: for me it takes about 1.5 sec
• 2416[22:58:59] <sbug> raver: so it prints out alot of info for 5 min then ends? It does not stop on one thing for 5min?
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• 2418[22:59:23] <raver> I've aborted and restarted wait
• 2419[22:59:50] <raver> Still running with fast reads
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• 2421[23:00:42] <sbug> have you added some REALLY big repos or something?
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• 2423[23:01:13] <raver> Hmm not really wait..
• 2424[23:01:14] <raver> Do you have the shell pastebin link for me?
• 2425[23:01:44] <sbug> hu?
• 2426[23:01:57] <sbug> !paste
• 2427[23:01:57] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2433[23:04:36] <raver> replaced-url
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• 2436[23:05:29] <raver> replaced-url
• 2437[23:06:10] <raver> replaced-url
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• 2440[23:06:51] <raver> replaced-url
• 2441[23:06:54] <raver> That's it
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• 2443[23:07:41] <quadrathoch2> dafgsdfgsadfgsdf: hi
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• 2446[23:09:29] <sbug> raver: ok. If you run 'strace apt search something', does it spit out text constantly for 5min?
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• 2456[23:17:01] <raver> sbug: see strace output here
• 2457[23:17:01] <raver> replaced-url
• 2458[23:18:50] <sbug> that one you stopped with ctrl+c
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• 2462[23:20:20] <raver> Ok wait 🙂✌️
• 2463[23:20:46] <sbug> I don't really want the output, I only wnat to know how it runs
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• 2465[23:22:05] <sbug> if it spits out alot of text constantly that means the program runs and read files etc. If it stops at one place for some time that can mena that there are something wrong with a file etc
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• 2468[23:26:56] <raver> Yep I'll post a complete output of strace with stderr included
• 2469[23:27:02] <raver> Still running
• 2470[23:27:24] <raver> Maybe permission?
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• 2474[23:30:05] <raver> Wow soll running and 35 MB file
• 2475[23:30:15] <raver> Still
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• 2480[23:32:31] <raver> sbug: do you know a easy way to share the file?
• 2481[23:32:47] <raver> 50Mb file till now
• 2482[23:33:58] <sbug> you don't need to share it. As I said I was wondering how i runs
• 2483[23:34:41] <sbug> so it seems it is alot of info it goes through, thats why it is slow
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• 2485[23:35:37] <raver> But the same sources list on a slower machine runs 100 times faster....
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• 2490[23:38:41] <raver> I was guessing it could run in a loop
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• 2492[23:39:06] <sbug> raver: what size do you get from 'du -sh /var/lib/apt/lists' ?
• 2493[23:39:50] <raver> 177M
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• 2497[23:40:45] <sbug> hum ok
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• 2500[23:42:43] <sbug> this beats me. You might have to try later when someone more experienced can help you
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• 2502[23:42:55] <raver> Thank you very much
• 2503[23:43:02] <raver> I'll let strace come to an end
• 2504[23:43:13] <raver> And upload the file just for the case
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• 2509[23:51:55] <raver> ... By the way:
• 2510[23:51:55] <raver> ```
• 2511[23:51:55] <raver> /dev/mmcblk0:
• 2512[23:51:55] <raver> Timing cached reads: 1750 MB in 2.00 seconds = 874.75 MB/sec
• 2513[23:51:55] <raver> HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument
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