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2 [00:00:09] <TomTomTosch> Kobaz: what debian version is that?
that must be older than wheezy.
3 [00:00:17] <Kobaz> it's a bit old
4 [00:00:19] <Kobaz> squeeze
5 [00:00:30] <sypher> awal1: Ubuntu is the only distro off the
top of my head that doesn't configure the root account
separately.
6 [00:00:33] <Kobaz> easy squeezy
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8 [00:01:09] <muse> disabling the root user password was a good
security idea until someone decided to not include sudo in the
default install. then you have a nice freshly installed os with no
root access at all. i hope they fixed that.
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10 [00:01:31] <awal1> sypher, I dont really know what other OSs
does exactly, bcoz I only run debian, but in arch linux, fedora,
mint, ubuntu wikis I always see sudo bla bla bla
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12 [00:02:36] <TomTomTosch> Kobaz: and what were you trying to
do?
13 [00:02:42] <Kobaz> install coreutils
14 [00:02:45] <Kobaz> well, updater
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16 [00:03:17] <Kobaz> i'm doing a dist-upgrade to just get
to the latest squeeze, while i work on an upgrade plan
17 [00:03:26] <Kobaz> and coreutils wont install properly
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20 [00:04:10] <TomTomTosch> coreutils 7.4-2 i wonder where you
got that from ;D
21 [00:04:10] <awal1> muse, so you think that su in debian is
not a default choice but only bcoz " someone decided to not
include sudo in the default install. then you have a nice freshly
installed os with no root access at all." And it's just
like a "bug" ?
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23 [00:04:42] <Kobaz> TomTomTosch: it's ooooold
24 [00:04:48] <Kobaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.2M Jun 4 2009
coreutils_7.4-2_i386.deb
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26 [00:05:19] <TomTomTosch> yeah, that's no debian package.
27 [00:05:29] <TomTomTosch> ubuntu most likely.
28 [00:05:32] <Kobaz> mm
29 [00:05:34] <Kobaz> weird
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31 [00:05:44] <Kobaz> it's 2009, so who knows how it got
there
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35 [00:06:26] <TomTomTosch> lay it to rest :P
36 [00:06:53] <muse> awal1: not sure i understand your question,
but not giving root a password was an option. if you took that
option and sudo wasn't installed, you got an install with no
root access whatsoever. I think they do include sudo now, again.
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46 [00:08:54] <Kobaz> okay
47 [00:08:54] <Kobaz> well
48 [00:09:01] <Kobaz> i dpkg -x'd it
49 [00:09:09] <Kobaz> and updated /var/lib/dpkg/status
50 [00:09:18] <Kobaz> i can carry on my dist-upgrade merry way
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53 [00:10:31] <awal1> muse, I dont understand all that; my idea
is just I wanted to know if the use of su, activation of root
account by default and the non use of sudo is an official debian
choice, something discussed in the past...
54 [00:10:41] <awal1> I understand all that ^
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57 [00:12:19] <Kobaz> merry merry
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61 [00:12:53] <muse> awal1: for a while debian didn't
include sudo (at least in the live version i install with).
it's included now, but the normal user isn't in the sudo
group by default, which presents the same problem. if you don't
give root a password, you get a system with no root access at, i.e.
useless.
62 [00:13:53] <ohlolz> you're so funny Kobaz
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64 [00:14:58] <awal1> muse, ok, thanks for the clarification; I
didn't knew that sudo is anyway installed by default but
"the normal user isn't in the sudo group"
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66 [00:15:15] <TomTomTosch> because it's not.
67 [00:15:29] <Kobaz> ohlolz: thanks
68 [00:15:34] <TomTomTosch> live versions are different.
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72 [00:16:27] <awal1> well, in standard debian install I dont
have sudo installed at all; it was installed now bcoz fvwm-crystall
have installed it as a recommend
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75 [00:17:05] <TomTomTosch> why does it matter? you can set it
up easy enough if you need it. debian installations are fairly
minimal.
76 [00:17:07] <awal1> it's installed now bcoz ... ^
77 [00:17:09] <muse> well, all it boils down to is give root a
password during the install, no matter which version you install.
then you're good.
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81 [00:19:04] <awal1> ok, guys, nvm, I understand all that; as I
said I just thought that debian officially don't
"won't" sudo. mistaken I was so...Thanks for your
time :)
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84 [00:19:47] <`Kevin> seriously how many times does playonlinux
come up in this channel ..
85 [00:19:53] <`Kevin> \day
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93 [00:21:41] <TomTomTosch> counting that time you mentioned it,
once.
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95 [00:21:59] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: you missed it. olivier
came back talking about it
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97 [00:22:09] <TomTomTosch> dang. twice!
98 [00:22:51] <TomTomTosch> so oliver managed to install debian
now?!
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100 [00:23:09] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: that's what
we're told...
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102 [00:23:34] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: he desperated wanted
silverlight
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104 [00:23:47] <muse> hahahahaha
105 [00:23:54] <awal1> silverlight?
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107 [00:24:08] <TomTomTosch> fun.
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111 [00:24:57] <Wally> ah geeze Silverlight.
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114 [00:25:04] <Wally> Didn't Microsoft discontinue that?
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117 [00:25:40] <missmbob> Wally: Microsoft announced the end of
life of Silverlight 5 in 2012
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119 [00:25:46] <Wally> I thought so.
120 [00:26:01] <Wally> but they have 5.1 now.. WTFFF
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122 [00:26:12] <`Kevin> wow 4 hours yesterday missmbob ? :|
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124 [00:26:39] <Wally> I hope they discontinue it for good.
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126 [00:27:04] <missmbob> `Kevin: i'm outside of spacetime
127 [00:27:18] <Wally> Like Flash..
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144 [00:36:56] <Kobaz> unable to flush
/var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i after padding: No space left on device
145 [00:36:57] <Kobaz> oh noes
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159 [00:48:50] <Kobaz> yay for lvm
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166 [00:53:46] <JohnA> IO have run into a problem with amavis it
cannot find LibZMQ3 and will not start as a result, I do have
LibZMQ5 installed and apt cannot find libzmq3. can I use LibZMQ5
instead and if so how?
167 [00:54:41] <TomTomTosch> ,v libzmq3
168 [00:54:49] <missmbob> JohnA: testing then?
169 [00:54:53] <judd> Package: libzmq3 on amd64 --
squeeze-backports-sloppy: 3.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports:
3.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.0.5+dfsg-2+deb8u1; jessie-security:
4.0.5+dfsg-2+deb8u1
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174 [00:57:11] <JohnA> missmbob: yep, stretch, everything work
until today when I had to do a hard reset, PS change.
175 [00:57:36] <TomTomTosch> it's gone from testing and
unstable. no idea why, though.
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178 [01:01:03] <JohnA> Any way of making amavis use libzmq5
instead of libzmq3, if that is possible or desirable?
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310 [02:23:06] <hassoon> CHVNX: :D
311 [02:23:24] <hassoon> CHVNX: good day
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331 [02:32:07] <CHVNX> Howdy, hassoon.
332 [02:32:18] <CHVNX> How have you been?
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343 [02:36:15] <hassoon> CHVNX: trying to stay motivated enough
to finish the debian-handbook book
344 [02:36:20] <hassoon> reading the french version
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347 [02:37:37] <hassoon> guys i was wondering what's the
difference between apt and apt-get
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349 [02:38:14] <hassoon> i mean i can do apt/apt-get
update/upgrade/install <whatever>
350 [02:38:38] <hassoon> there is just a slight difference in the
command's output
351 [02:38:54] <hassoon> apt's output is colored, unlike
apt-get's
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355 [02:41:44] <awal1> 1. apt combines somehow apt-get and
apt-cache
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364 [02:47:14] <jak2000> hi all
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388 [03:01:34] <shellclear> hi everyone! I would like to know
your opnion about software and hardware RAID, witch one have better
performance?
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390 [03:02:49] <dvs> shellclear, define "hardware
RAID". As in the RAID you find in the BIOS/UEFI?
391 [03:03:14] <shellclear> dvs: yes
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393 [03:04:12] <shellclear> red hat docs says : " Software
RAID also works with cheaper IDE disks as well as SCSI disks. With
today's faster CPUs, software RAID outperforms hardware
RAID."
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398 [03:08:51] <missmbob> not just redhat. everyone says so. MIT,
etc
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402 [03:10:49] <JordiGH> My touchpad is dying after suspends. USB
mouse still works. How do I "reboot" the touchpad?
403 [03:10:57] <JordiGH> Restarting X doesn't help.
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405 [03:12:00] <missmbob> JordiGH: mine sometimes does the same.
don't know why? going to ctlr+f2 and then back to X makes it
reappear every time
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407 [03:12:19] <JordiGH> What's ctrl+f2?
408 [03:12:45] <missmbob> a typo. i meant ctrl+alt+f2 :P gets you
to tty
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410 [03:13:07] <zykotick9> JordiGH: i'm just curious, what
touchpad is it? "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps'
/proc/bus/input/devices"
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412 [03:14:50] <JordiGH> missmbob: No, that doesn't help.
Neither does restarting X.
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415 [03:16:39] <JordiGH> zykotick9: There are no touchpads listed
there.
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417 [03:16:48] <JordiGH> The grep comes back empty.
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419 [03:16:57] <JordiGH> Also, I see a bunch of crashed modules
in dmesg.
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422 [03:19:28] <dvs> shellclear, the RAID in the BIOS/UEFI is
also considered a software RAID. Only the dedicated PCI cards are
considered hardware RAID. If your choices are between the kernel and
the BIOS RAIDs, I'd choose the kernel RAID.
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428 [03:21:56] <shellclear> dvs: and a comparative beetwen
software and dedicated RAID, what's better?
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434 [03:24:38] <dvs> shellclear, dedicated wins, hands down.
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437 [03:25:30] <shellclear> dvs: Thank you very much for you
patience
438 [03:25:32] <shellclear> :D
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442 [03:27:29] <missmbob> it's not a simple 1/2 though. with
hardware you have to realize you have two more layers of possible
error, hardware and driver.
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447 [03:29:02] <JohnA> shellclear: if by dedicated raid you mean
a hardware interface card (adaptec, LSi ...) then they are better,
but they are also very expensive ($800-$1000+) for a good one. I
woud suggest that for most of us kernel raid is pretty good.
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449 [03:29:46] <jak2000> my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always,
always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then
can we working fine, how to fix it?
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453 [03:31:21] <SerajewelKS> is there some way in LXDE to draw
windows created by processes running under a specific effective
group ID to use different decorations?
454 [03:31:51] <SerajewelKS> or some other visual indication that
the windows are running under that effective gid
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458 [03:33:17] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: get some task manager
software imo
459 [03:33:26] <hassoon> tmany are around in the repositories
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461 [03:33:40] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: that's pretty vague.
what do you mean by "task manager software?"
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464 [03:34:34] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: a software that groups
running processes, and associates every GUI-equiped process with its
ID/details, etc
465 [03:34:37] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: got the idea ?
466 [03:34:49] <MACscr> if i boot with pxe/nfs root, can i then
bond/bridge that interface? I know i cant with iscsi. would hate to
try to switch to that and not be able to do it
467 [03:35:23] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: maybe, do you have an
example of such a utility? i think "task manager" is too
broad and would include things that list out running processes
(which isn't what i want).
468 [03:35:24] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: you want to get the process
ID of a given running program from its window (GUI), right ?
469 [03:35:29] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: no
470 [03:35:36] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: meh then what
471 [03:35:50] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: i want to annotate windows
that are created by processes having a specific effective gid with
some visual indicator
472 [03:36:20] <SerajewelKS> brb gotta put the kid to bed
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477 [03:40:16] <JohnA> Amavis is failing to start - compile
problem mississing libfreemq-perl! if I search aptitude for it it
does not show up - anybody know or suggest where I can get hold of
it?
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487 [03:46:13] <missmbob> JohnA: again, not in debian
488 [03:46:44] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: the purpose BTW is that i
have some groups set up that have some restrictions, and i want to
identify which windows have which security restrictions
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490 [03:47:53] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: a windows is a mere process
running a graphical interface, that means you should address the
processes' permissions or something
491 [03:47:56] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: agreed ?
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493 [03:48:06] <hassoon> a window *
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495 [03:49:08] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: correct, the permissions
are addressed by the group. i'm not seeking any kind of way to
restrict permissions here, i'm seeking a way to *identify*
windows belonging to restricted processes.
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497 [03:49:40] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: such as changing the color
of their decorations
498 [03:53:38] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: haven't heard of a
tool that does such things hoonestly
499 [03:53:55] <hassoon> why would a developer code a tool like
this anyway
500 [03:53:55] <hassoon> :v
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502 [03:55:10] <nevyn> trusted X11
503 [03:55:12] <nevyn> ugh.
504 [03:56:12] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: i didn't expect it
would exist, but if you don't ask then you don't find out.
and this kind of concept is surprisingly hard to google.
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506 [03:57:22] <hassoon> SerajewelKS: indeed sir, good luck
though
507 [03:57:30] <SerajewelKS> hassoon: ty
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512 [04:01:49] <JohnA> missmbob: OK, not in debian as my mail
system is down and I don't seem to be able to get amavis
working without that lib, where might I find it?
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514 [04:02:45] <ProfessorKaos64> What is the "new"
mupen64plus package, since the one of the same name is a dummy
package.
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515 [04:03:03] <missmbob> JohnA: you said you were on testing and
TomTomTosch and i both told you it's not in testing (which you
said you were using). so what else is there for me to say?
516 [04:03:55] <JohnA> thay true, but up until 6:31am this
morning it was in testing so it must be somewhere?
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578 [04:48:37] <user> Is debian as easy to use as mint is?
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581 [04:49:28] <stoned> Not really
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583 [04:49:38] <petemc> user: ease of use is relative to the user
584 [04:49:39] <stoned> user: debian requires a bit of manual
work.
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586 [04:49:59] <stoned> But it's more fun.
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588 [04:50:06] <stoned> Debian doesn't treat you like an
idiot.
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593 [04:52:36] <user> I've used mint for the past 3 or 4
years, always able to find documentation when I need it... I dont
mind the work, I just like having an OS thats well documented
594 [04:53:29] <CHVNX> RUSEV MATCHKA
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597 [04:56:08] <ryouma> user: man pages and info manuals are
likely the same across all distros for most packages, so i'm
curious what you mean that would be different in debian
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600 [04:57:51] <petemc> gnome or other interfaces arent expressed
well via man or info pages
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602 [04:58:07] <petemc> +graphical
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604 [04:58:34] <user> I'm using the OS more for development
work
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608 [04:59:08] <roger21> yo
609 [04:59:33] <roger21> is xargs just pronounce ex-args
610 [04:59:40] <petemc> yes
611 [04:59:42] <user> I just want to be able to get work done,
when I need to.
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613 [04:59:51] <petemc> but you can pronounce it zargs if you
want
614 [04:59:54] <roger21> or does it has to do with cross- thingy
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616 [05:00:06] <ryouma> parallel is an alternative to xargs that
most people are not aware of
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618 [05:00:20] <roger21> oh zargs is apealing
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625 [05:01:48] <vahe> how to make so that at start not included
Xorg? and worked as a server
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628 [05:02:24] <petemc> most effective method is to not install
gui
629 [05:02:27] <petemc> !nox
630 [05:02:28] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for
graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s)
with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm
slim". "echo false
>/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM,
or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a
minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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632 [05:02:36] <petemc> thats old
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638 [05:05:06] <vahe> petemc: I know, I can tell you how not to
get involved
639 [05:05:20] <vahe> tell me
640 [05:05:37] <petemc> i dont know, sorry
641 [05:05:46] <vahe> thanks
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645 [05:07:20] <TomTomTosch> "don't install a gui"
is the right answer. simply use the netinst and don't select a
desktop environment during installation.
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647 [05:08:17] <nevyn> so the problem is the metapackages.
648 [05:08:34] <nevyn> so if you want gnome/kde but don't
want gdm/kdm
649 [05:08:37] <vahe> TomTomTosch: I know the situation is simply
that the OS is already installed and there is a huge problem
reinstalling ,I would just know how not to give be included xorg
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651 [05:09:25] <vahe> it's not Windows that would be because
of small problems to reinstall the OS )))
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653 [05:10:19] <TomTomTosch> that would be easier if i understood
your question. you want to remove the DE? which one do you have
installed?
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656 [05:12:04] <vahe> TomTomTosch: thansk, I need it to stop the
desktop and that would work as a server
657 [05:12:18] <vahe> I need it
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659 [05:13:18] <nevyn> uninstall the loginmanager
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661 [05:14:00] <petemc> #invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop
662 [05:14:14] <petemc> or systemctl
663 [05:14:25] <vahe> ah yes systemctl )
664 [05:14:29] <vahe> EFI
665 [05:14:34] <petemc>
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666 [05:15:22] <vahe> thanks for the help , will try today, still
need to make sure that it does not turn on at startup
667 [05:16:25] <petemc> apparently systemctl set-default
multi-user.target does that
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669 [05:17:16] <petemc> kinda makes sense, i suppose
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710 [05:31:34] <holycow> hi all
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712 [05:32:02] <holycow> i have a few tar files in the order of
100's of gb each. each one contains maybe a few 50 to 100gb
files
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716 [05:32:53] <holycow> i just did a tar -cf to create a plain
.tar file. however, to my great surprise, extracting from a .tar
with large files is veeeeeeeeeeeeery slow
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718 [05:33:17] <holycow> anyone else experience something
similar? i'm not googling up anything remotely useful
719 [05:33:19] <petemc> do you have fast disk?
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721 [05:33:45] <ryouma> holycow: i don't at present recall
whether tar has an index. it might not.
722 [05:34:07] <holycow> just a regular 7200rpm drive. it
shouldn't be this slow, it's not actually decompressing
anything (cpu bound). and i can get decent write performance on the
7200 satas, nothing unusual
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725 [05:34:52] <holycow> yeah i don't think it does, i know
you need to process it from beginning to end so on a large tar it
could be slow. but it should not take 2 hours to decompress a 114gb
.tar with 3 40gb files in it
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728 [05:35:12] <holycow> its not compressed, it should just read
in / read out into separate files.
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730 [05:35:44] <petemc> compression wouldnt be a bottleneck on a
computer made this decade
731 [05:35:57] <holycow> that is true too
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736 [05:36:46] <petemc> bin the spinning rust, buy ssd
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770 [05:57:21] <jak2000> my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always,
always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then
can we working fine, how to fix it?
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774 [05:59:15] <jmcnaught> jak2000: can you show your
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777 [06:00:45] <jmcnaught> another place to look is
"journalctl -u networking" to see what happened when the
networking initscript ran at boot
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790 [06:06:02] <OldParr> an error while doing "aptitude
full-upgrade"
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794 [06:09:16] <jmcnaught> OldParr: did you try again? is this an
upgrade from squeeze to wheezy?
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796 [06:10:04] <OldParr> jmcnaught: i think my debian is a little
old i have several years with it
797 [06:10:37] <wawan> b
798 [06:11:08] <jmcnaught> OldParr: so you're just doing
regular updates then? it looks like a single package failed to
download, i would try "aptitude safe-upgrade" and see if
it completes
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800 [06:12:39] <OldParr> i was not intentionallly upgrading from
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801 [06:13:01] <OldParr> normally
802 [06:14:41] <OldParr> jmcnaught: aptitude safe upgrade
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804 [06:17:35] <jmcnaught> OldParr: did it say anything about
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805 [06:17:51] <OldParr> jmcnaught: no
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925 [07:25:49] <Abbott> a github page requires that I have
libcurl-dev installed. sudo apt-get install libcurl-dev says that
the package is a virtual package provided by other packages. How do
I know which to get?
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927 [07:26:14] <Abbott> they are libcurl4-openssl-dev,
libvurl4-nss-dev, and libcurl4-gnutls-dev
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946 [07:35:17] <clintmint> whats the github page
947 [07:35:22] <clintmint> ill take a look
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949 [07:35:38] <Abbott>
replaced-url
950 [07:35:43] <Abbott> clintmint: ^
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954 [07:36:54] <clintmint> and you installed
libcurl4-openssl-dev, libvurl4-nss-dev, and libcurl4-gnutls-dev?
955 [07:37:16] <Abbott> no, i haven't installed any of them
956 [07:37:33] <Abbott> I only ran sudo apt-get install
libcurl-dev and it told me that it is a virtual package provided by
those three packages
957 [07:37:50] <clintmint> ok well they all sound like they are
needed, maybe not the nss one though
958 [07:39:17] <clintmint> gnutls and openssl enable tranfers
over https in curl
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969 [07:45:21] <clintmint> Abbott: did it compile?
970 [07:45:33] <AndChat500> Hi
971 [07:45:59] <Abbott> clintmint: I apt-get'ted the two you
suggested and it seems to all be running okay
972 [07:46:01] <Abbott> thank you
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975 [07:47:29] <AndChat500> Can someone explain how to make
Debian (GNOME desktop if it matters) connect to OpenVPN server
automatically at startup, as It is possible to do on Ubuntu? Adding
openvpn --config command isn't my solution because the server
also requires username and a password to connect
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984 [07:54:41] <Voovode> debian 8.5, i've got 2x 4tb wd red
(GPT), trying to raid1 and install grub on /dev/sda, completes but
after reboot -> grub rescue, mduuid/(long string) not found...
Any thoughts?
985 [07:55:01] <Voovode> I did a small partition for bios_grub
986 [07:55:06] <Voovode> on both disks..
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993 [07:58:31] <jmcnaught> AndChat500: i would try using
auth-user-pass in an openvpn conf file in /etc/openvpn, then doing
"systemctl enable openvpn@myvpnname"
994 [07:58:39] <Elirips> Hello. Is there an easy way on debian
jessie to allow a user to do sftp, but disable shell login?
995 [07:58:57] <clintmint> Abbott: you're welcome
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1011 [08:04:09] <tjt263> I have two questions:
1012 [08:04:10] <tjt263> 1. What's the difference between
doing something like /etc/init.d/network-manager start and service
network-manager start??
1013 [08:04:12] <tjt263> 2. What's the difference between
reload and force-reload??
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1017 [08:05:15] <vlt> Elirips: Have you tried to set /bin/false as
their shell in /etc/passwd? Does sftp still work then?
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1024 [08:08:56] <jmcnaught> tjt263: on sysvinit service does
things like remove environment variables and set the working
directory to /. On systemd service is just a wrapper around
systemctl, and using service/systemctl to start a service makes sure
that systemd is aware that its processes are considered a service.
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1030 [08:11:07] <Elirips> vlt: setting it to false disables ftp,
but setting it to /usr/lib/sftp-server seems to do the job basically
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1035 [08:11:41] <jmcnaught> tjt263: i don't know if executing
an initscript directly on a systemd systemd would let systemd track
it as a service or not.. i suppose you could try it out
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1043 [08:16:25] <abhinav> hi
1044 [08:16:33] <abhinav> what is a key signing party?
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1049 [08:19:16] <jmcnaught> abhinav:
replaced-url
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1051 [08:20:05] <Voovode> debian 8.5, i've got 2x 4tb wd red
(GPT), trying to raid1 and install grub on /dev/sda, completes but
after reboot -> grub rescue, mduuid/(long string) not found...
Any thoughts?
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1058 [08:23:04] <abhinav> jmcnaught: thanks.
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1098 [08:31:22] <reev> jmcnaught: heyy
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1100 [08:32:10] <reev> jmcnaught today anacron is working fine
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1140 [08:52:03] <doebi> is it save to do a downgrade from stretch
to jessie?
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1142 [08:52:24] <tucco> hi
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1144 [08:53:07] <babilen> doebi: No, downgrades are not supported
by apt and it is unlikely that doing so would work without problems
at this time
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1150 [08:55:27] <doebi> babilen: meh. stretch almost broke
everything for me :/
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1152 [08:56:23] <babilen> It shouldn't .. are you using a
testing/unstable mix with testing as the default release?
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1155 [08:56:31] <babilen> sid works nicely here
1156 [08:57:19] <doebi> babilen: nothing unstable here, just
stretch
1157 [08:57:30] <babilen> Ah, yeah, that might cause problems
1158 [08:57:49] <doebi> how?
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1161 [08:58:17] <doebi> testing > stretch ?
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1163 [08:59:09] <babilen> Packages are removed from testing or
dependencies might not be able to be satisfied during transitions.
Testing isn't really meant to be used by end users and my
opinion is that tracking it is incredibly hard if you don't
also allow for packages to be pulled in from unstable.
1164 [08:59:15] <babilen> testing == stretch
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1167 [09:00:01] <doebi> so you recommend i should go for unstable?
1168 [09:00:11] <babilen> No, i would recommend a setup such as:
1169 [09:00:14] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
1170 [09:00:15] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one
set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to
install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to
SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set
Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this
setup to track <stretch> after its release.
1171 [09:00:18] <babilen> or
1172 [09:00:21] <babilen> dpkg: tum
1173 [09:00:21] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
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1178 [09:00:52] <doebi> babilen: i know, that. just was confused
by your statement
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1180 [09:01:51] <doebi> ok, that multisetup sounds confusing
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1183 [09:02:20] <doebi> sry i am on train. internet is a mess
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1188 [09:03:49] <babilen> doebi: You might want to read
replaced-url
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1192 [09:04:12] <doebi> i dont have a /etc/apt/apt.conf
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1194 [09:05:30] <babilen> Did you run "echo
'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >>
/etc/apt/apt.conf" ?
1195 [09:05:38] <babilen> (or stretch if you prefer that)
1196 [09:06:11] <babilen> And are you sure that you want to track
a development release?
1197 [09:06:31] <babilen> I would strongly recommend to read those
two articles
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1199 [09:06:52] <doebi> i am gona look at it when i am home,
can't do anything serious with this internet situation right
now.
1200 [09:06:54] <doebi> thanks for now
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1294 [09:58:27] <vahe> how to find wifi and connect? terminal
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1303 [10:02:51] <nkuttler> vahe: nmcli
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1307 [10:04:16] <izua> hi
1308 [10:04:26] <izua> i have an issue with mdadm
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1310 [10:04:47] <izua> after i rebuilt a raid6 array after a drive
failure, it starts every morning with mdadm --check --scan
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1312 [10:04:56] <izua> and keeps cpu at 100%, nver finishing
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1323 [10:08:58] <DevAntoine> hi
1324 [10:08:59] <DevAntoine> I'm trying to use sed to replace
a file path in a HTML file with another one. Thing is, I don't
know the name of the new file. I now where it is located but its
name is not fixed. Is it possible with SED to replace a string with
another one based on a file in a given directory?
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1386 [10:33:56] <doebi> DevAntoine: echo "$(cat
/foo/bar/file)" ?
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1390 [10:36:05] <dionysus69> I had all four of these lines active
in sources.list, do I need all of them?
1391 [10:36:06] <dionysus69> deb
replaced-url
1392 [10:36:06] <dionysus69> deb-src
replaced-url
1393 [10:36:06] <dionysus69> # deb
replaced-url
1394 [10:36:06] <dionysus69> # deb-src
replaced-url
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1396 [10:36:07] *** dionysus69 was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please
use
replaced-url
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1401 [10:36:55] <dionysus69> what's the difference between
stretch and stretch/updates?
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1410 [10:40:30] <tinyhippo> one has updates, the other
doesn't
1411 [10:40:45] <themill> dionysus69: Is that not a teeny bit
self-explanatory ;)
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1414 [10:41:09] <dionysus69> whats the point of not having
updates, what does it even mean?
1415 [10:41:38] <dionysus69> so if I delete non updates stretch
lines it wouldn't make difference?
1416 [10:41:40] <themill> Do you know what the word
"updates" means?
1417 [10:42:01] <dionysus69> well ye, probably implies that it
will update packages
1418 [10:42:15] <themill> and "security.debian.org"
1419 [10:42:15] <dionysus69> but thats what apt is for right, so
what is the line without updates for?
1420 [10:42:46] <dionysus69> oh didnt notice that part haha, so
its security updates?
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1423 [10:43:38] <themill> bingo
1424 [10:44:37] <dionysus69> ok haha thanks
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1538 [11:46:12] <Scope> hi im trying to download a file from a
site using a magnet link but for some reason ktorrent wont work. Ive
enabled DHT i set the network protocol in firefox about:config and
still nothing any ideas
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1547 [11:50:00] <Scope> i have another torrent downloading that
didnt use a magnet link and thats fine seems its just magnet links
that are refusing to download
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1551 [11:52:40] <FinalX> Scope: magnet links are relatively
recent, speaking in torrent client terms. newer versions of the same
clients that are usually not packed with the distribution yet, often
do support them
1552 [11:53:13] <Scope> not really ive been using magnets for the
last 4 5 years
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1554 [11:54:01] <Scope> transmission on my mac i have no problem
just on the debian system using ktorrent seams like it refuses to
allow magnets it shows that the magnet is there.
1555 [11:54:11] <Scope> but it just does nothing
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1558 [11:56:17] <dionysus69> I came accross this thing
replaced-url
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1564 [11:59:21] <TomTomTosch> !httpredir
1565 [11:59:21] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a
mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list
"deb
replaced-url
1566 [12:00:26] <TomTomTosch> it works for most. i use it, it has
been fine for me so far.
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1569 [12:01:34] <rozie> dionysus69: using it for a long time,
almost since very beginning when it was http.debian.net. also on
production now. it is safe and stable
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1571 [12:02:08] <rozie> it's even better than single repo, as
will automagically handle broken/not updated repos
1572 [12:02:32] <dionysus69> I am from Georgia and it started
fetching data from chinese university
1573 [12:02:50] <dionysus69> thats why I had to doublecheck :D
weird choice but whatever if it is safe
1574 [12:03:11] <TomTomTosch> you know, the world is a village.
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1577 [12:05:04] <rozie> well, routes may not be perfect
1578 [12:05:23] <rozie> you can contact the crew and let them know
about your issue
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1580 [12:06:10] <rozie> as long as you don't skip gpg
verification, it should be safe. just like any other repo
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1584 [12:09:18] <Murii> I'm in love with ati's drivers
on linux <3
1585 [12:09:22] <Murii> I can't even play hd vids
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1589 [12:10:50] <Murii> Even my retard tablet can but my laptop no
:>
1590 [12:10:53] <Murii> cool features
1591 [12:11:01] <dionysus69> haha
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1613 [12:25:44] <tirter> I would like to install debian
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1615 [12:26:26] <tirter> Butt when I run the installer I cannot
connect to the network
1616 [12:27:25] <tirter> It says my network is not using dchp,
which is not true
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1618 [12:27:58] <tirter> I can now go to the terminal
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1621 [12:28:35] <tirter> but I do know what to do there, to make
the wifi work
1622 [12:28:41] <tirter> could somebody help me?
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1625 [12:33:29] <tirter> Should I try to install wpa-supplicant or
wireless tools?
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1628 [12:35:08] <tigerman_> Hello, have anyone here tried Qlogic
FibreOptic HBA on Debian?
1629 [12:35:16] <tigerman_> I cannot make it work.
1630 [12:36:22] <rozie> tirter: read about installing wifi
firmware in Debian
1631 [12:36:28] <rozie> or just use non-free installer
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1635 [12:37:54] <jelly> tigerman_, enable non-free sources,
install firmware-qlogic, reboot (unload qla2xxx kernel module and
load it again)
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1638 [12:38:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell tigerman_ about non-free
sources
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1646 [12:40:54] <jelly> making it work somehw is the easy part;
making it work correctly with multipath and all sorts of mpath
failures is the problematic bit, on debian
1647 [12:41:21] <jak2000> my eth0 not turned on at bootup, always,
always, i typed: sudo ifdown eth0 and then sudo ifup eth0 and then
can we working fine, how to fix it?
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1653 [12:42:30] <jak2000> in interfases file i see: auto eth0
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1667 [12:48:33] <miggyb> Anyone have any experience running a
local/LAN apt mirror? Can't find any official
sources/manuals/howtos
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1687 [12:58:22] <knamehost> hello
1688 [12:58:42] <knamehost> does any here knows how to rescue mode
in debian
1689 [12:58:52] <knamehost> i broke my deian 8
1690 [12:59:05] <knamehost> cant rescue mode
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1715 [13:13:19] <jelly> knamehost, if you can't get to boot
loader (grub) menu advanced options and pick rescue mode there, boot
some live linux image instead
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1719 [13:15:13] <tirter> I want to install make so I can install
my network cards firmware. I downloaded the package to a usb
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1723 [13:15:39] <tirter> What commands should I use to install
make
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1727 [13:17:36] <_unreal_> what version of debian do you have
1728 [13:17:48] <_unreal_> if you have the latest, make should
already be installed
1729 [13:18:05] <tirter> The latest, I will take a look
1730 [13:18:19] <tirter> bash: make: command not found
1731 [13:18:35] <TomTomTo1> tirter: buildutils, or just make.
1732 [13:18:45] <tirter> I also donot see a usb in /media
1733 [13:18:53] <TomTomTo1> tirter: apt-get install buildutils
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1735 [13:18:56] <_unreal_> if you have the source code to build
the firmware then you need to go to the folder where it is located
and type make makefile
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1737 [13:19:13] <_unreal_> makefile being the script
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1739 [13:19:36] <_unreal_> tirter, "df -ah"
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1745 [13:21:57] <_unreal_> ?
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1749 [13:22:46] <TomTomTo1> tirter: what card is that? chances are
there is a package with the firmware.
1750 [13:22:48] <hrob> hi, does this md raid setup make any sense
to anyone? -- md1 : active raid10 sdg2[0] sda2[2]
1751 [13:23:06] <hrob> and proc/mounts, says ... /dev/md1 / ext4
rw,noatime,nodiratime,discard,errors=remount-ro,stripe=128,data=ordered
0 0
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1754 [13:23:44] <hrob> am I reading this correct -- raid 10 with
two disks mounted as file system root
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1756 [13:24:10] <tirter> TomTomTo1: I do not have an internet
connection yet
1757 [13:24:14] <_unreal_> tirter, there is typically a help txt
file that tells how to build the software as well, it may require
you to run a few commands PRE "make" command.
1758 [13:24:54] <tirter> I still didn't findn the folder, it
looks like it doesn't recognize the usb stick
1759 [13:25:11] <_unreal_> tirter,
1760 [13:25:14] <_unreal_> tirter, "df -ah"
1761 [13:25:31] <TomTomTo1> tirter: you can download the package
on a second machine and install it without an internet connection.
1762 [13:26:26] <tirter> TomTomTo1: the package requires make to
build, so now I want to install make
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1766 [13:26:44] <tirter> _unreal_: no results, still working on it
1767 [13:26:49] <_unreal_> waht?
1768 [13:27:03] <tirter> df doesn't do a thing
1769 [13:27:14] <_unreal_> df does nothing...........
1770 [13:27:21] <tirter> should I pastebin the output?
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1772 [13:27:36] <TomTomTo1> tirter: lspci -nn | grep -i network
and give us the pciid pls, that's a number in the form of
[1234:4abc]
1773 [13:27:51] <_unreal_> shure.........
1774 [13:28:56] <tirter> Oh, wait I cannot pastebin the output :)
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1783 [13:32:16] <TomTomTo1> tirter: it's easier to check if a
package for your firmware already exists. you can use a second
computer to download it.
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1786 [13:32:49] <TomTomTo1> tirter: if that doesn't work we
can still work on getting make on your machine.
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1788 [13:33:18] <cyberwolfs> How to make visible the hidden files
and folders in Vifm or Vim?
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1792 [13:33:49] <slax0r> cyberwolfs: what?
1793 [13:34:12] <tirter> TomTomTo: the wifi thing is a tnl-wn821n.
It is linux compatible. I downloaded the linux drivers and
instructions. The instructions says: first command make
1794 [13:34:31] <tirter> I mean a tl-wn821n, V4
1795 [13:34:51] <cyberwolfs> vifm - file manager , krusader
1796 [13:34:52] <TomTomTo1> tirter: lspci -nn | grep -i network
and give us the pciid pls, that's a number in the form of
[1234:4abc]
1797 [13:35:19] <cyberwolfs> need visible the hidden files and
folders
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1800 [13:36:29] <tirter> TomTomTo1: it returns nothing
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1803 [13:36:56] <slax0r> cyberwolfs: check documentation for vifm,
look for "dot files", that's hidden files
1804 [13:37:17] <tirter> lspci return a lot of stuf, including my
ethernet card, but not the wifi card
1805 [13:37:20] <slax0r> but to save you the trouble, shortcut is
"zo"
1806 [13:37:38] <TomTomTo1> tirter: the network adapter needs to
be plugged in.
1807 [13:37:47] <dionysus69> is it safe to delete ~/.cache dir?
1808 [13:37:51] <dionysus69> will it be recreated
1809 [13:37:52] <dionysus69> ?
1810 [13:38:01] <slax0r> normally yes
1811 [13:38:04] <tirter> TomTomTo1: it is plugged it.
1812 [13:38:21] <tirter> :)
1813 [13:38:40] <tirter> But it isn't detected
1814 [13:38:44] <tirter> i think
1815 [13:38:47] <TomTomTo1> tirter: oh, usb device not pci. pardon
me.
1816 [13:38:57] <Vardex> Hi, I just fuck up, I tried to update my
debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root,
I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I
reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode
idk)
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1818 [13:39:56] <TomTomTo1> tirter: a bit of googling revealed
that it has an atheros chipset. you can try downloading the firmware
here:
replaced-url
1819 [13:40:34] <TomTomTo1> tirter: afterwards you put it on a
usb, transfer it to your machine and install it using dpkg -i
firmware-atheros_0.43_all.deb
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1825 [13:43:10] <TomTomTo1> tirter: install it without your device
plugged in. if you plug it in afterwards, the kernel module should
be automatically loaded. the interface should then appear in
/sbin/ifconfig
1826 [13:43:28] <_unreal_> TomTomTo1, msg
1827 [13:43:31] <tirter> TomTomTo1: I have hardware version 4
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1830 [13:44:28] <tirter> TomTomTo1: That doesn't have the
atheros chipset but this one: Realtek RTL8192CU
1831 [13:45:06] <tirter> You can get more technical info about it
on this page:
replaced-url
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1836 [13:47:22] <Rephlexie> you try installing the
firmware-realtek package?
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1841 [13:48:30] <tirter> I can't acces my usb sticks in my
computer. That is the problem
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1845 [13:48:45] <tirter> I tried: cd /media
1846 [13:48:46] <tirter> ls
1847 [13:48:49] <tirter> nothing
1848 [13:48:58] <TomTomTo1> tirter: ah. same deal then, different
firmware:
replaced-url
1849 [13:49:04] <tirter> Then df -h. Also nonot the right one
1850 [13:49:09] <Rephlexie> ^
1851 [13:49:12] <ychaouche> hello #debian
1852 [13:50:25] <ychaouche> I'd like to open two remote files
inside of emacs, what options do you recommend ?
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1855 [13:50:54] <ychaouche> I remember I used "fuse" a
long time ago, but had some problems (freezes)
1856 [13:50:59] <tirter> TomTomTo1: thanks, didnt see that one.
But how to transfer it to my pc if i cant find my usb-stick
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1861 [13:51:44] <tirter> anyway, thanks for the help. I am afk to
eat something
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1863 [13:51:49] <TomTomTo1> tirter: you have something that
automatically mounts your usb stick? else you would have to do it
manually.
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1874 [14:02:34] <TomTomTo1> tirter: as a sidenote, the firmware
linked above is for debian jessie only.
1875 [14:02:46] <ychaouche> fixed on #emacs
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1880 [14:04:16] <JustinHitla> why debian replaced bash with dash ?
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1882 [14:06:35] <tinyhippo> JustinHitla: they didn't, they
replace sh with dash
1883 [14:07:14] <tinyhippo> JustinHitla: more info
replaced-url
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1887 [14:07:59] <JustinHitla> tinyhippo: when they did it ? 3
years ago ?
1888 [14:08:40] <Vardex> I just fuck up, I tried to update my
debian 7 to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root,
I don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I
reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode
idk)
1889 [14:09:03] <teraflops> JustinHitla: what's wrong with
using dash?
1890 [14:09:23] <Lowl3v3l> JustinHitla, nah, this has been that
way for quite some time
1891 [14:09:23] <teraflops> I'm just curious
1892 [14:09:30] <tinyhippo> JustinHitla: according to that
article, at least 2010
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1898 [14:12:27] <Megaf> mysql-server package seems to be broken on
Wheezy
1899 [14:12:39] <Megaf> it install but fails to configure and
start the server
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1918 [14:22:57] <johnkeates> works fine here
1919 [14:22:59] <johnkeates> i think it's you
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1922 [14:23:37] <tirter> TomTomTo1: thnaks it indeed looks like I
have to mount the usb
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1941 [14:35:53] <tirter> TomTomTo1: I am pretty sure I am using
jessie
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1945 [14:40:34] <tirter> I am trying to connect to the internet.
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1947 [14:40:51] <tirter> I just installed the driver of my wlan
adapter
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1950 [14:41:13] <tirter> when I run lsusb I can see it
1951 [14:41:20] <tirter> but ifconfig does not
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1962 [14:46:12] <gr8> how can I import a custom SSL certificate to
my system so that the browser does not complain any more?
1963 [14:46:25] <johnkeates> it's better to fix it
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1965 [14:46:32] <johnkeates> but use ca-certificates
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1967 [14:46:42] <johnkeates> firefox doesn't adhere to that
and you need to install it in firefox itself
1968 [14:46:44] <johnkeates> thunderbird same
1969 [14:46:54] <johnkeates> to some context is needed
1970 [14:47:01] <abrotman> less enter key!
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1972 [14:47:30] <johnkeates> but how do i send things? :(
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1979 [14:50:27] <gr8> uhm ok just imported it into the browser :D
1980 [14:51:22] <yottanami> I am trying to install emacs-snapshot
so I added the repo address but I got this error during installation
emacs-snapshot : Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not
installable here is details
replaced-url
1981 [14:51:46] <yottanami> I think it happens because of
installing some i386 packages and using multiarch
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1990 [14:55:40] <tirter> I am trying to connect over wifi to the
internet. I installed the drivers and I can now see the device when
I type lsusb. But when I type ifconfig there is no wlan0. What
should I do to connect to the internet. Should I change my
/etc/network/interfaces of something else?
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2007 [15:01:55] <SynrG> tirter: do you have a wifi manager
installed? (network-manager, wicd)?
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2010 [15:02:53] <SynrG> tirter: and no, /etc/network/interfaces
doesn't need anything with a wifi manager in use, and
that's the sanest way to manage connecting to arbitrary wifi
networks
2011 [15:03:27] <tirter> SynrG: I have nothing installed. Just a
fresh install of debian jessie
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2014 [15:03:46] <SynrG> by "nothing", do you mean just a
base install?
2015 [15:03:54] <SynrG> no desktop, even?
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2017 [15:04:06] <tirter> no desktop
2018 [15:04:15] <SynrG> do you intend to put a desktop on it?
2019 [15:04:23] <tirter> gnome
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2023 [15:04:40] <SynrG> do you need wifi to work before installing
gnome?
2024 [15:04:59] <SynrG> the easiest way forward, if you just need
the network for installing gnome is ethernet.
2025 [15:05:17] <SynrG> if you can't do that, it's
possible to configure wifi by other means
2026 [15:05:25] <tirter> I was planning to connect to the internet
so I could run aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
2027 [15:05:43] <SynrG> is it difficult to do that with ethernet?
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2029 [15:06:23] <tirter> well it is possible but I am running a
desktop and it is pretty far away from the router.
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2032 [15:06:39] <MrHossein> hi
2033 [15:07:16] <SynrG> tirter: otherwise, you need to get
wireless-tools at the very least, and probably also wpasupplicant,
before you can go further
2034 [15:07:23] <MrHossein> how i can join this channel with
pidgin
2035 [15:07:31] <MrHossein> or make account in freenode?
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2039 [15:08:55] <tirter> SynrG: I will try to transfer the gnome
deb archive from a usb stick to the machine and then install it
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2043 [15:09:28] <SynrG> tirter: where "the gnome deb
archive" is a mirror containing all the gnome packages?
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2045 [15:09:58] <SynrG> tirter: also, see
replaced-url
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2049 [15:10:16] <SynrG> tirter: also, be advised ifconfig is
deprecated
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2054 [15:11:08] <MrHossein1> hi
2055 [15:11:11] <MrHossein1> guys
2056 [15:11:16] <SynrG> tirter: try 'ip addr' for what
you were looking for, i think
2057 [15:11:20] <MrHossein1> how i can make account in
freenode.net
2058 [15:11:21] <tirter> SynrG: I found the deb package so I think
it will work
2059 [15:11:47] <SynrG> tirter: "the deb package"
meaning gnome, a single deb package?
2060 [15:11:54] <SynrG> tirter: no, that will definitely not work
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2064 [15:12:14] <SynrG> gnome is not contained within a single
deb. that is only a metapackage. it depends on a considerable number
of other individual debs
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2067 [15:12:52] <SynrG> tirter: you will lose interest in the
exercise long before you figure out which packages to copy over to
the system :)
2068 [15:13:26] <tirter> SynrG: Yeah, evolution, gnome-office
2069 [15:13:35] <SynrG> !apt-offline
2070 [15:13:35] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't
have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does
have a network connection), read
replaced-url
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2074 [15:14:28] <SynrG> tirter: there are several ways forward for
you, but truly, the simplest is ethernet. unless that's rather
difficult (not merely somewhat inconvenient), it's what i
recommend
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2078 [15:15:01] <tirter> maybe my laptop can share it's wifi
with the ethernet port
2079 [15:15:07] <SynrG> look at the wifi & offline apt
instructions i gave above, see if those look preferable to you ...
2080 [15:15:21] <SynrG> with "wifi the hard way" you
only need one, maybe two packages
2081 [15:15:29] <SynrG> with gnome, you need a metric buttload
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2083 [15:15:52] <Rephlexie> tirter, SynrG is spot on you are like
2 packages small away from wifi.
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2087 [15:17:49] <SynrG> tirter: regarding configuring a second
network via ethernet from a laptop, at the very least, you would
need either a crossover cable or a hub/switch
2088 [15:18:13] <SynrG> tirter: imo, this is not worth pursuing
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2091 [15:18:59] <hrob> I have a boot partition that is md raid1
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2093 [15:19:26] <hrob> when one of the disks failed today, grub
could not boot the machine any more
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2096 [15:19:32] <tirter> no, I think I did this before. I used my
windows laptops ethernet port and connected the ethernet with my
desktops ethernet.
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2099 [15:20:29] <SynrG> with a hub or switch between, this would
work. without a crossover cable, though, rx would be talking to rx
and tx to tx. this does not work.
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2104 [15:21:43] <tirter> Well if you say so. So this would not
work:
replaced-url
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2125 [15:30:00] <SynrG> tirter: if ethernet devices have evolved
the ability to switch rx & tx, this might work. it goes against
what i thought i knew about how ethernet devices have worked
historically, though.
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2129 [15:30:26] <SynrG> once upon a time, a crossover cable was
needed. perhaps this is now no longer the case.
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2136 [15:31:22] <tirter> SynrG: I will take a look at the hard
way. I hopefully will also learn something from it.
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2138 [15:31:29] <SynrG> tirter: according to
replaced-url
2139 [15:31:37] <SynrG> tirter: this is new to me :)
2140 [15:31:43] <SynrG> (yes, i am a dinosaur)
2141 [15:31:57] <bezaban> it's in practically all equipment
now :)
2142 [15:31:59] <SynrG> tirter: so yes, i'm sure the article
you cited would work
2143 [15:32:23] <tirter> Yeah, I just troubleshooted that my
ethernent port is broken
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2145 [15:32:31] <SynrG> bezaban: sure. but i have a tendency to be
blind to solutions to problems i don't have until i have that
problem :p
2146 [15:32:44] <bezaban> SynrG: hehe yeah
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2151 [15:35:31] <SynrG> this has been fun, but i gotta work. later
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2157 [15:40:30] <TheSin> I'm running the same versions of
systemd, syslog-ng, postfix on all my servers, but like 50% of them
in the log have postfix/smptd[1234]: blah blah and the other hald
only show smtpd[1234]: blah blah
2158 [15:40:38] <TheSin> this isnt' an issue on it's own
but the logcheck files that come with postfix expect postfix/smtpd
so the servers that omit the postfix/ I get like 5-10 MB logs form
them nightly and that is a PITA, what controls that? I thought it
would be the app since it's logs but since systemd is a mystery
to me and I know it's has it's own logger system maybe
it's somethign in systemd?
2159 [15:41:15] <TheSin> I just really need to know what determins
if it's going to log with smtpd or postfix/smtpd as I have no
idea where to look even
2160 [15:41:43] <jhutchins> TheSin: Comparing the postfix config
files would be a good place to start.
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2162 [15:42:23] <TheSin> yeah I have been I see nothing different
which is just making me bonkers
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2166 [15:42:45] <greycat> Man, there must be some massive delay on
posts to debian-user. :(
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2175 [15:46:28] <greycat> 2016-08-08 10:45:41.368655500 delivery
24: deferral:
82.195.75.100_does_not_like_recipient./Remote_host_said:_450_4.2.0_<debian-user-request@lists.debian.org>:_Recipient_address_rejected:_Greylisted,_see_replaced-url
2176 [15:46:34] <greycat> ... and that would be why.
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2179 [15:47:15] <greycat> Oh wait, that's yesterday's.
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2188 [15:51:01] <greycat> *sigh* fuck. 2016-08-09
09:50:38.005461500 delivery 608: deferral:
CNAME_lookup_failed_temporarily._(#4.4.3)/
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2200 [15:59:57] <Vardex> I fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7
to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I
don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I
reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode
idk)
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2211 [16:03:54] <c-c> I found an interesting problem on jessie. $
sudo apt-get install iftop finishes ok, and $ man iftop works, but $
iftop -h says command not found. What do?
2212 [16:04:18] <greycat> Vardex: log in some other way besides
ssh. Console, serial console, etc.
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2215 [16:04:45] <Vardex> @greycat It's a server how can I do
that?
2216 [16:04:50] <tirter> c-c what does jus iftop do?
2217 [16:04:57] <tirter> *just
2218 [16:05:04] <greycat> However you installed it.
2219 [16:05:17] <c-c> the same, command not found. The same in a
new term.
2220 [16:05:21] <themill> c-c: iftop is in /usr/sbin which
isn't on your user's PATH
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2223 [16:06:33] <c-c> themill: ok, that is correct
2224 [16:06:38] <c-c> thank you sir!
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2233 [16:08:41] <Bombo> hi
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2235 [16:08:54] <tirter> I am trying to connect to the internet
over wifi. I installed wpa-supplicant and wireless tools. I changed
my /etc/network/interfaces to connect with my network. However ifup
wlan0 gives an error: no such file
/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant
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2240 [16:09:50] <tirter> But I can see with ls that there is a
file /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpa-supplicant.
2241 [16:10:27] <tirter> ls-al gives wpasupplicant ->
../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh
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2244 [16:11:55] <c-c> wicd? lol
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2246 [16:12:11] <tirter> I wasn't planning to use wicd
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2250 [16:13:40] <tirter> should I reboot or something?
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2252 [16:14:02] <tirter> or service network restart?
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2256 [16:14:35] <c-c> tirter why not follow the error?
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2259 [16:14:54] <tirter> c-c: what do you mean?
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2261 [16:15:17] <c-c> read your comment 17:08
2262 [16:15:50] <tirter> You know that the times are different
depending on your timezone
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2264 [16:15:54] <c-c> maybe take a nap if you don't remember
writing about the error
2265 [16:15:57] <tirter> :)
2266 [16:16:02] <c-c> gl!
2267 [16:16:20] <tirter> The error was: no such file or directory
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2269 [16:16:38] <tirter> but when I look for the file: I can find
it
2270 [16:16:57] <tirter> in the good directory I did this: ls -al
2271 [16:17:09] <tirter> and it results in something pretty weird:
2272 [16:17:24] <tirter> wpasupplicant ->
../../wpa_supplicant/ifupdown.sh
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2294 [16:26:44] <kz> Do you need a fast computer to use Debian?
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2296 [16:27:45] <prussian> not really kz
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2299 [16:28:07] <prussian> I mean it's more on what software
you end up using
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2305 [16:29:47] <stoned> c-c: hi
2306 [16:29:49] <c-c> kz I run vanilla on a 1st gen atom
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2308 [16:31:26] <tirter> kz: no
2309 [16:32:11] <kz> I only have a quad core I7
2310 [16:32:59] <tirter> that is more then enough
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2312 [16:33:32] <c-c> kz I have 1st gen atom and 1 gb memory and
currently couple of terminals, browser tabs, audacity,
desktop+services and its actually not slow at all
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2314 [16:33:43] <c-c> openbox/lxde tweak
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2328 [16:37:36] <stoned> c-c: I think I fixed it. Let's test
2329 [16:37:42] <tirter> Well, for debian you should at least have
a xeon 10 core cpu with watercooling and a titan x for decent
graphics and 16 gigs or more ram
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2332 [16:38:10] <greycat> Only if you run a web browser. Otherwise
you can get away with a Pentium and 256 MB or so.
2333 [16:38:46] <kz> What if you use chrome?
2334 [16:38:54] <greycat> That's a web browser.
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2336 [16:39:13] <rafalcpp> can I tell debootstrap to use a script
from a file, like --suite /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/xenial ?
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2340 [16:40:24] <tirter> You can run debian on a raspberry pi so
...
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2342 [16:40:44] <tirter> only it is name raspbian then
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2344 [16:40:56] <greycat> (and not supported here)
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2351 [16:44:04] <jelly> only r.pi 3 can run a normal debian armhf
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2358 [16:47:38] <jhutchins> tirter: raspian is actually a
derivitive distribution, although it adheres pretty closely to
actual Debian.
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2364 [16:50:26] <tirter> jhutchins: what does that mean exactly?
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2366 [16:50:46] <tirter> I tought it was something like ubuntu
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2368 [16:51:24] <jhutchins> !raspian
2369 [16:51:25] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2370 [16:51:26] <Lal> Hey guys, I've been trying get bug
reports via gmail and now I am encountered with following problem.
Kindly help.
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2406 [17:11:55] <rockrock> on rasbian, while doing upgrade, apt
outputed something like "removing devirsion of ... to ... by
rpikernelhack". What does it mean and what is rpikernelhack?
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2408 [17:12:30] <greycat> !raspbian
2409 [17:12:30] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2415 [17:14:15] <rockrock> greycat: ah, I had mistyped #raspbian
channel name and though it was empty. My bad
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2439 [17:22:07] <jair> Hello there have anyone try installing
debian in a dell latitude E5570? I keep getting a kernel panic after
I log in
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2446 [17:23:21] <jhutchins> jair: Which release, which installer,
which desktop?
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2449 [17:24:04] <jair> laptop latitude E5570
2450 [17:24:46] <jair> debian 8.5 amd64
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2463 [17:29:09] <jair> jhutchins: ?
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2492 [17:47:29] <Vardex> I fuck up, I tried to update my debian 7
to debian 8 and now I can't connect to ssh with root, I
don't have any other user that I can connect to, how can I
reactivate the connect with ssh as root? (maybe with rescue mode
idk)
2493 [17:48:00] <greycat> Yes. Boot with rescue mode. Boot any way
you can that gets you shell access.
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2500 [17:52:38] <smdrz> is vapoursynth ever present in debian?
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2503 [17:52:56] <jhutchins> jair: I did ask about desktop
environment, but I would start with booting to rescue/single user
mode and checking logs. Something that's launching in the DE
after you log in is probably causing the panic.
2504 [17:53:13] <jelly> ,v vapoursynth
2505 [17:53:14] <judd> No package named 'vapoursynth'
was found in amd64.
2506 [17:53:26] <jelly> nope, smdrz
2507 [17:53:36] <Lacho1>
replaced-url
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2509 [17:53:42] <smdrz> ok
2510 [17:53:51] <jhutchins> jair: You probably want to determine
your graphics chipset (lspci -nn, look for VGA) and check the web to
see if it needs special attention (
replaced-url
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2519 [17:58:04] <doubledogdare610> Ayy debs, I've got some
kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade
but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade..
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2522 [18:00:09] <Vardex> greycat : And what do I do in rescue
mode, I tried mounting the disk and edit the file but the connect
with ssh as root was already on, I think it was for the rescue mode
to work, how can I edit the file for the real root?
2523 [18:00:16] <jair> hello there I am trying again the
installation of debian 8.5 64bit in a dell latitude E5570
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2526 [18:00:51] <greycat> Vardex: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and
change PermitRootLogin to yes instead of no (or instead of
without-password)
2527 [18:01:18] <greycat> Vardex: or, add a non-root account for
yourself that can login
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2529 [18:02:10] <Vardex> greycat it was alredy on yes (for the
rescue root to work), but after starting on disk, still the same
problem, same for adding a non-root account, it wasn't here
after restarting on disk
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2531 [18:02:32] <greycat> Vardex: Go back to the beginning. What
is the *exact* problem you are having?
2532 [18:02:34] <jair> jhutchins: thanks will check after finish
the installation
2533 [18:02:51] <jair> I installed cinnamon desktop instead of
gnome this time
2534 [18:03:20] <Vardex> greycat I put yes when it asked me if I
want to remove the connect to ssh as root with password, now
can't connect
2535 [18:03:39] <greycat> No. Not "what I think I did".
What is the PROBLEM. "When I do ____ it says ____"
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2537 [18:05:41] <triter> I want to connect to internet over wifi
from my base debian jessie installation (no desktop). I installed
wireless-tools and wpa_supplicannt and all the stuff it depends on
2538 [18:06:00] <triter> I also changed /etc/network/interfaces
2539 [18:06:10] <Vardex> greycat : Alright when I try to connect
as root with ssh or with filezilla I have access denied
2540 [18:06:13] <triter> so it would work
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2542 [18:07:00] <triter> but always when I try to do this:
systemctl restart wpa_supplicant it failes
2543 [18:07:05] <greycat> If it says "access denied"
then I do not know what is wrong. That is NOT what ssh says when you
connect as root to a system with "PermitRootLogin no".
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2545 [18:07:13] <greycat> You'll have to figure out what is
actually wrong.
2546 [18:07:25] <triter> dbus: could not request service name:
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied Connection
":1.4"is not allowed to o
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2549 [18:07:52] <triter> but I run everything as root so it is
weird that it says acces denied
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2553 [18:10:01] <Vardex> greycat : It may be related to the other
problem when I try to connect to a non root user I have a PuTTY
Fatal Error
2554 [18:10:05] <triter> why do I get that error?
2555 [18:10:06] <Vardex> Network error: Software caused connection
abort
2556 [18:11:05] <doubledogdare610> Ayy debs, I've got some
kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade
but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade..
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2565 [18:19:02] <jair> hello jhutchins , I was able to log in and
it is running with rendering software, how should I solve that
issue?
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2568 [18:19:38] <jair> checking the graphics and installing the
comercial drivers? or a different kernel?
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2570 [18:21:07] <jair> the following kernel is running currently
3.16.7
2571 [18:21:43] <jair> Debian is running great with cinamon, I
wonder if it is because of the gnome I was trying to run before?
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2589 [18:28:28] <smw> When doing an apt-get uninstall, is there an
easy way to force dpkg warnings to be errors?
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2593 [18:32:32] <doubledogdare610> Ayy debs, I've got some
kernel updates being held back. I don't want to do dist-upgrade
but rather find out what is holding back this upgrade..
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2595 [18:33:10] <greycat> !kept back
2596 [18:33:10] <dpkg> somebody said kept back was when packages
have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available.
This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on
hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade"
and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To
investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>".
See also
replaced-url
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2606 [18:41:15] <doubledogdare610> greycat: This does not tell me
about how to find these unresolved dependencies..
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2608 [18:41:35] <greycat> <<To investigate, "aptitude
-s install <kept-package>".>> didn't work?
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2610 [18:41:58] <doubledogdare610> Oops, forgot to try that :P
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2617 [18:48:08] <doubledogdare610> greycat: Doing that yields no
errors..
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2621 [18:48:56] <niv> hello! im having issues with systemd after
updating a wheezy server to jessie. specifically, im trying to run
caddy with the included init.service file. systemd however says:
Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/local/bin/caddy: Resource
temporarily unavailable. running the binary manually with the
correct user/env works fine.
2622 [18:49:09] <greycat> I don't know, then. That's
what the bot had. If it were me I would run "apt-get install
kept-back-pkg" and see what it says (don't say yes, just
READ). I don't use aptitude.
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2656 [19:03:51] <hrob> will I be able to reinstall debian, and it
will still discover previous raid arrays?
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2659 [19:04:06] <hrob> should I be saving some raid configurations
somewhere?
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2691 [19:14:36] <dionysus69> var/log dir is 4.2 GB, I suppose that
is a joke? how do I clean just delete everytihng inside?
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2693 [19:15:05] <knoppix> hi all
2694 [19:15:16] <dionysus69> and this installation is only a
couple day old I just have been installing and removing lots of
stuff
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2697 [19:17:08] <pugfantus> dionysus69: do an 'ls -Slrh
/var/log' to see what's taking up so much room, if nothing
looks out out place, then try 'du -h /var/log | sort -h'
to see which directory is the largest
2698 [19:17:58] <pugfantus> throw a ' | tail -10' on the
end of those to see the top 10 offenders
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2702 [19:19:12] <pugfantus> something's gone awry, you should
figure that out before mass deleting your logs
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2705 [19:20:17] <dionysus69> pugfantus: syslog file is 1.3G
messages file is 1.4G and user.log is also 1.4log
2706 [19:20:25] <dionysus69> so those three files are a problem
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2708 [19:20:34] <dionysus69> can I safely delete them?
2709 [19:21:04] <greycat> You can truncate them. Do not just
remove them.
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2712 [19:21:11] <greycat> > filename NOT rm filename
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2714 [19:21:29] <dionysus69> you mean delete contents of the file
right?
2715 [19:21:37] <greycat> yes
2716 [19:21:47] <dionysus69> ok cool thats what I ll do :) thanks
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2718 [19:22:01] <greycat> Still, you want to find out what is
causing so much output in your syslog.
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2725 [19:23:59] <dionysus69> I compiled mesa or something for
intel driver that compilation took lots of time and it seems it
saved all of the text in logs
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2731 [19:25:21] <greycat> Is this a docker thing? puppet? ansible?
Which eldritch abomination is it? Just out of morbid curiosity. What
would do something so horribly stupid?
2732 [19:25:29] <radonx> hello
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2735 [19:26:12] <dionysus69> greycat: is that to me ? :D
2736 [19:26:16] <greycat> yes
2737 [19:26:26] <dionysus69> I didnt understand anything
2738 [19:26:36] <greycat> What thing are you using that logged
compiler output into syslog?
2739 [19:26:53] <dionysus69> ug 9 21:22:48 debgen
tracker-miner-fs.desktop[3207]: (tracker-miner-fs:3207):
Tracker-CRITICAL *
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2741 [19:27:01] <dionysus69> dunno what do you mean what am i
using
2742 [19:27:42] <greycat>
replaced-url
2743 [19:27:50] <greycat> Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
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2746 [19:28:37] <doubledogdare610> greycat: I have done even more
investigating. There is apparently no reason that they were held
back.. Must be an un-noticed bug.
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2749 [19:29:15] <doubledogdare610> greycat: I have done
dist-upgrade. Anyway, thanks for your help!
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2769 [19:33:01] <dionysus69> greycat: I am using debian stretch
why :D ?
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2772 [19:33:26] <greycat> !pal dionysus69
2773 [19:33:26] * dpkg points at dionysus69 and laughs hysterically
2774 [19:33:27] <dionysus69> ye that miner is still running
actually, I will read that forum post in a bit though
2775 [19:33:39] <dionysus69> why greycat why ? :(
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2778 [19:33:48] <greycat> !debian-next
2779 [19:33:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2784 [19:34:53] <radonx> i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the
HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get
"
2785 [19:35:30] <radonx> i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the
HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get
"A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. all
extensions have been disabled as precatution" does someone has
a answer to fix it?
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2825 [19:53:12] <pugfantus> radonx: I assume you're not using
VirtualBox then?
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2829 [19:54:38] <radonx> nope
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2831 [19:54:49] <radonx> 2 HP compaq desktops xde
2832 [19:54:51] <radonx> *xd
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2841 [19:56:47] <dannysantos> I want to connect to my remote pc
through vnc but I can't seem to do it. I have installed
vnc4server as my server. My client is tightVNC. I'm connecting
well because it asks for password, but after I typed the correct
password I appears that something went wrong. Does anyone know what
I should do? My .vnc/xstartup is on this link
replaced-url
2842 [19:56:47] <dannysantos> n.net/787680
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2844 [19:57:28] <codekK> Hello, someone using tint2 can help me to
show up the icons on the taskbar??? Here its my tint2rc
replaced-url
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2854 [20:00:29] <pignaniel> !list
2855 [20:00:29] <dpkg> pignaniel: Debian è un sistema
operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da
quello di gratis): vedi
replaced-url
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2861 [20:01:34] <greycat> I don't understand why the response
to "list" is "italian support"
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2863 [20:02:01] <teraflops> greycat: I do
2864 [20:02:51] <greycat> Can you explain it to a non-Italian?
2865 [20:02:52] <lattera> I'm running Debian 8 on a MacBook
Pro 11,1 and I've noticed that the battery level is (very)
slowly going down with the power adapter plugged in... three days
ago, the laptop was sitting at 97.7%, now at 94.67%
2866 [20:03:12] <lattera> anyone know why that is and if
that's normal (and will stop decreasing)?
2867 [20:03:25] <teraflops> greycat: is not pointing to debian
italian support, the !list is for searching stuff shared by
bots/addons
2868 [20:03:50] <greycat> Right, I get that. So why is the
response "go here for italian stuff" and not "go
away, there are no warez"?
2869 [20:03:58] <teraflops> heh
2870 [20:04:24] <teraflops> greycat: the fact is that only italian
people do the !list shot
2871 [20:04:27] <teraflops> shit*
2872 [20:04:55] <teraflops> idk why to be honest but look at the
ip of that guy
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2874 [20:05:03] <teraflops> .retail.telecomitalia.it
2875 [20:05:14] <greycat> Yes, I saw. But one data point.
2876 [20:05:40] <LtL> teraflops: and that is what is so strange,
only italians do it..
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2879 [20:06:02] <LtL> or 99 per cent
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2881 [20:06:20] <teraflops> LtL: yeah it's like there they
use to share warez via irc and xfer protocol or whatever it's
named
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2883 [20:06:43] <sl4v3> anyone know a good place i could get
support for SimpleSAMLphp?
2884 [20:07:08] <LtL> teraflops: yeah !list is a file server bot
trigger, but you knew that
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2886 [20:07:25] <greycat> The question is why 99% of the people
doing it are Italian.
2887 [20:07:30] <greycat> (Allegedly.)
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2889 [20:07:48] <LtL> greycat: exaxctly, been that way for years
2890 [20:07:50] <teraflops> I know it after doing my own research
due italian guys spamming the channel for years
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2892 [20:08:51] <dannysantos> Does anyone do vnc on debian here?
Is it supported on jessie?
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2894 [20:09:18] <dionysus69> yes of course
2895 [20:09:20] <greycat> If there are VNC packages in jessie,
then by definition they are supported. I don't know whether any
people *currently* in Debian can answer questions about them.
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2897 [20:09:28] <greycat> in #debian I mean
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2902 [20:12:12] <dannysantos> dionysus69: Can you show me your
.vnc/xstartup? I can seem to make mine work
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2904 [20:12:36] <dannysantos> thanks greycat, where do you think I
should ask?
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2909 [20:13:11] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to deconfigure an
interface and it just won't stay down. something keeps bringing
the interface back up and running dhclient, even though the
/etc/network/interfaces entry is listed as static.
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2911 [20:13:48] <SerajewelKS> no matter how many times i kill
dhclient, it comes back.
2912 [20:13:59] <SerajewelKS> pretty vanilla debian install. is
this some systemd crap?
2913 [20:13:59] <greycat> SerajewelKS: if you edited the interface
and CHANGED it from dhcp to static, then you have to kill the
dhclient daemon yourself. It won't die when you do
"ifdown" because ifdown reads the file, sees
"static", assumes there is no daemon, does not kill the
daemon.
2914 [20:14:07] <dannysantos> dionysus69: I CAN'T seem to
make mine work
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2916 [20:14:12] <SerajewelKS> greycat: i have killed it multiple
times, it keeps being restarted
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2918 [20:14:29] <greycat> SerajewelKS: then it might be
network-manager if you're using that crap. Or something of
which I have no knowledge.
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2920 [20:15:10] <teraflops> LtL:
replaced-url
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2922 [20:15:35] <SerajewelKS> greycat: ah that might be it. i
don't have network manager installed, but it looks like
something similar came with lxde. i can't figure out what
it's called though...
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2926 [20:16:04] <dionysus69> dannysantos: try x11vnc or something
like that
2927 [20:16:15] <greycat> teraflops: why are you showing us this
web page?
2928 [20:16:30] <teraflops> the !list thing
2929 [20:16:42] <greycat> We know what !list is. Nobody has EVER
ASKED what it is. We know.
2930 [20:16:49] <greycat> What we don't know is why only
Italians use it.
2931 [20:17:06] <dannysantos> dionysus69: I have vnc4server. is it
not good?
2932 [20:17:12] <teraflops> io non capito niente
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2934 [20:17:48] <dionysus69> dannysantos: never used it, I just
know x11vnc works well, that one might not be that good dunno :D
2935 [20:17:53] <LtL> teraflops: i know how it works, just
don't know why only italians do it here :)
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2937 [20:18:14] <dionysus69> greycat: miner-tracker-fs turned out
to be a desktop indexing service, has nothing to do with stretch
specifically
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2939 [20:18:21] <SerajewelKS> greycat: ah, it's wicd. thanks
for the pointer.
2940 [20:18:27] <SerajewelKS> i always forget that this crap comes
with desktop environments
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2942 [20:18:32] <teraflops> yeah sorry it was a mystery for me :/
2943 [20:18:41] <dannysantos> dionysus69: ok, i'm goona try
it
2944 [20:18:47] <cluelessperson> Question, can an init script run
forever?
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2947 [20:19:33] <greycat> Why wouldn't it be able to? I am
not aware of any timeout imposed upon them under sysvinit. With
systemd, who the hell knows.
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2949 [20:19:51] <greycat> What is your REAL question?
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2951 [20:21:00] <cluelessperson> greycat, When I have my own
custom init script for testing, after reboot, I do a ps aux | grep
ZacBoot and I don't see it running
2952 [20:21:19] <greycat> Why would you expect to see it still
running?
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2954 [20:21:30] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Have it log somewhere.
2955 [20:21:39] <greycat> What version of Debian? Which init
system? What does the script do? How did you
install/configure/enable it?
2956 [20:21:45] <cluelessperson> greycat, Because it loops forever
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2959 [20:22:44] <cluelessperson> It's the old init system
(before systemd), I initialized it with "update-rc.d ZacBoot
defaults" and it is just a while True; do; stuff; done;
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2961 [20:23:05] <greycat> True is not a valid shell command.
2962 [20:23:08] <greycat> true is.
2963 [20:23:21] <cluelessperson> >.<;;;
2964 [20:23:23] <ultimaq> hey guys I just wanted to know if anyone
knows off the cuff how to solve a libGLESv2.so.2 cant open shared
obj file error
2965 [20:23:49] <greycat> Anyway, sounds like your init script is
fucked. In sysvinit, you are supposed to launch a thing in the
background and somehow record its PID in a file that gets all
corrupted and shit and is worthless and crap.
2966 [20:24:11] <greycat> sysvinit is SO BAD that people were
willing to accept systemd as the replacement.
2967 [20:24:18] <teraflops> xD
2968 [20:25:58] <greycat> So your choices are either (1) record
your own PID in your own PID file and manage it yourself in your
sysvinit script. or (2) learn Debian's start-stop-daemon
extension program.
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2971 [20:26:03] <greycat> (1) is frankly easier.
2972 [20:26:38] <greycat> Then again, you claimed you used True in
a shell script, so maybe none of this will be easy for you.
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2976 [20:27:30] <greycat> As for why your while NonExistentCommand
loop exited, well... if the command actually does exist, then you
could check your logs to see what happened. You did log everything
your script is doing, right?
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2979 [20:27:49] <maurer> greycat: So, when I was first starting
out I found it easiest to template off a simple daemon's script
(I think I used atd?) until I learned how start-stop-daemon worked
2980 [20:27:58] <maurer> greycat: Maybe that would be a viable
method for him?
2981 [20:28:02] <greycat> That's one approach. If that worked
for you, then great.
2982 [20:28:16] <greycat> I'd rather learn systemd. It's
far easier.
2983 [20:28:32] <dannysantos> dionysus69: What command do you use
to start your vnc server?
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2986 [20:30:03] <maurer> greycat: I've found systemd easier
and harder. If I want to do something simple, it takes a lot more
work. If I want to do something complex, it's much easier than
it was with sysvinit
2987 [20:30:13] <pragmatism> On the distro site, why are there 8
different ISOs for the i386 stable? Like CD-1, CD-2, etc.
2988 [20:30:25] <maurer> pragmatism: The CDs past 1 have
additional packages
2989 [20:30:31] <maurer> pragmatism: for use in installing without
an internet connection
2990 [20:30:34] <pragmatism> Gotcha
2991 [20:30:35] <greycat> That's fair. For really simple
thing (one-liner commands that I want to run at boot time that are
*not* services to manage), I just use rc.local.
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2993 [20:30:57] <dionysus69> hmm let me see dannysantos
2994 [20:30:59] <maurer> greycat: Yeah, my example like that is
that I have an IPMI device that can't hold part of its state
2995 [20:30:59] <pragmatism> maurer Is it incremental? Does 8 come
with the most preinstalled packages
2996 [20:31:11] <greycat> pragmatism: If you have an internet
connection, STOP using those images and just use a netinst image.
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2998 [20:31:18] <pragmatism> ack
2999 [20:31:20] <pragmatism> ty
3000 [20:31:29] <maurer> pragmatism: none of them determine
preinstalled packages
3001 [20:31:42] <maurer> pragmatism: a good way to think of those
CDs is like a downloaded version of archive.debian.org
3002 [20:31:50] <maurer> that your computer can use if you have to
airgap it or something
3003 [20:31:53] <pragmatism> maurer Ah, okay, was just about to
ask :) I appreciate it.
3004 [20:31:58] <pragmatism> maurer thanks!
3005 [20:32:19] <greycat> A downloaded stale version of the
archive, which you'll immediately replace with newer versions
of the packages as soon as you are back on the net.
3006 [20:32:56] <maurer> greycat: I've never tried to really
run off the cds for a long period of time, do they release cds
containing security.debian.org?
3007 [20:32:57] <pragmatism> greycat no good. going with the
netinst per maurer
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3009 [20:33:28] <greycat> maurer: Each point release is
momentarily up to date, until the next DSA.
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3012 [20:33:46] <greycat> or proposed-update, if you use those
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3014 [20:34:26] <codekK> Hello, someone using tint2 can help me to
show up the icons on the taskbar??? Here its my tint2rc
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3017 [20:36:06] <tlolczyk> Something a bit weird is happening to a
samba share. I mount it read/write. I can make a directory in it.
But when I try to write to the directory I just created, I get a
permission denied error.
3018 [20:36:32] <greycat> Verify the unix-level permissions on the
directory vs. your account.
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3022 [20:38:05] <cluelessperson> greycat, how do you recommend
running something in background?
3023 [20:38:19] <tlolczyk> on a related topic how do I convert
between a hex string eq 0248 as a file permission and a string eg
--rx-w--w--.
3024 [20:38:42] <greycat> cluelessperson: from a sysvinit script
without start-stop-daemon? foobar & pid=$!; echo
"$pid" > "$mypidfile"
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3026 [20:39:03] <greycat> of course foobar is really foobar >
somelogfile 2>&1
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3028 [20:39:22] <greycat> and you may want to check the exit
status and so on
3029 [20:39:28] <greycat> "exit", haha.
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3031 [20:39:45] <greycat> the exit of the parent process which
allegedly spawns the background child, etc. etc. You know.
3032 [20:40:19] <greycat> Confusing and stupid, the lot of it. WHY
are you writing sysvinit scripts, again?
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3040 [20:42:48] <dionysus69> dannysantos: try this one
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3046 [20:45:01] <greycat> Oh, and don't forget that all of
this is complicatedified by anything that backgrounds *itself* and
writes its *own* PID file....
3047 [20:45:03] <cplcmp> Is dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
proper way to create bootable USB for 8.5 netinst iso?
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3049 [20:45:26] <greycat> if /dev/sdb is the correct device, sure.
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3051 [20:46:22] <cplcmp> Then I have problem booting it up, after
booting error message is displayed that somefile 32c
"linux.32c" is missing
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3053 [20:46:30] <cplcmp> sorry if the filename is not exact
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3055 [20:47:06] <cplcmp> md5 of the iso is correct
3056 [20:47:10] <Lacho> cplcmp: no es linux.c32 ?
3057 [20:47:37] <greycat> It's a regular netinst image and
*NOT* a live image, yes?
3058 [20:47:43] <cplcmp> Lacho, probably
3059 [20:47:53] <cplcmp> debian-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
3060 [20:48:21] <Lacho> menu.c32 ?
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3062 [20:48:34] <Lacho> si ese archivo, fijate acá -->
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3063 [20:49:00] <Lacho> sorry, but i dont speak english
3064 [20:49:14] <cplcmp> Lacho, ldlinux.c32
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3066 [20:49:55] <cplcmp> Lacho, np so far I understand (Hasta
ahora entiendo) (google translate)
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3068 [20:50:22] <Lacho> jaja no problem...
3069 [20:51:12] <cplcmp> greycat, What image should I download?
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3075 [20:53:04] <Lacho> yeap, but should work fine
3076 [20:53:28] <simbalion> hi, my debian system has something
called Firefox ESR, but it's several versions behind the actual
firefox, and I can't seem to just install iceweasel which is
what I'm used to using.. can someone help?
3077 [20:53:45] <greycat> The link on Debian's home page
*should* work but I have not tested it on a USB device:
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3078 [20:54:02] <Lacho> dd=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sda bs=512; sync
3079 [20:54:07] <Lowl3v3l> simbalion, debian switched to firefox.
iceweasel is pretty much dead afaik.
3080 [20:54:19] <greycat> sda is not going to be the correct
device for *most* people...
3081 [20:54:33] <Lacho> ok, it is a example
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3083 [20:54:39] <Lacho> /dev/sdb
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3086 [20:55:05] <simbalion> Lowl3v3l: Firefox on debian seems to
be broken, there's a problem on a specific website that I
can't replicate in any other browsers including firefox on
windows
3087 [20:55:24] <dersand> I'm not sure if this is the right
forum. Whenever i'm deleting something from prompt and
it's empty, i get a beep sound from the computer. How can i
make it quiet?
3088 [20:55:34] <Lowl3v3l> dunno about that. My debian got no
firefox and i am on sid ^^
3089 [20:55:59] <greycat> !bell
3090 [20:56:00] <dpkg> To disable the bell: "xset b off"
in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason,
bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o
vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on
partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell.
See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell
bug>.
3091 [20:56:22] <TomTomTo1> simbalion: you can get a newer version
of firefox from
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3092 [20:56:34] <Lacho> greycat: you ran sync once ended dd?
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3094 [20:56:43] <Lacho> greycat: my english really sucks!
3095 [20:56:43] <greycat> Lacho: I use CDs.
3096 [20:57:20] <simbalion> TomTomTo1: thanks I'll try that
3097 [20:57:46] <Lacho> greycat: try unetbottin -->
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3098 [20:58:21] <greycat> Why would I try that?
3099 [20:58:23] <greycat> !unetbootin
3100 [20:58:23] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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3101 [20:59:14] <dersand> greycat: Can "setterm -blength
0" be inserted in ~/.bashrc? If i'm just using a tty.
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3103 [20:59:41] <greycat> I'd put it in ~/.bash_profile
instead, and possibly surround it with a check that you are on
/dev/tty[0-9]*
3104 [21:00:10] <greycat> Or if you don't want to check for
that, maybe just redirected stderr to /dev/null is good enough.
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3107 [21:02:32] <greycat> dpkg, beep =~ s/echo -ne
'a'/printf \\\\a/
3108 [21:02:32] <dpkg> greycat: OK
3109 [21:02:50] <greycat> *harumph*. It didn't treat \\ as \
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3111 [21:03:07] <greycat> dpkg, beep =~ s/\\\\a/\\a/
3112 [21:03:07] <dpkg> OK, greycat
3113 [21:03:33] * greycat has no idea how the original was so mangled if
it wasn't using \ as an escape character...
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3128 [21:12:43] <Windows10User> hello
3129 [21:12:44] <Windows10User> is there any debian default DE?
3130 [21:12:48] <greycat> Nope.
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3132 [21:14:03] <greycat> You can check the popularity-contest
results to see which ones are most popular, but there isn't any
consistency. Debian users are very individualistic.
3133 [21:14:13] <knoppix> nope
3134 [21:14:34] <Windows10User> greycat: thanks for that answer.
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3136 [21:14:52] <Windows10User> so there is no case asking which
is the most efficient/optimized desktop for Debian, right
3137 [21:14:55] <jmcnaught> well the installer lets you choose a
desktop environment. if you select that you want a DE but do not
specify which one, you get gnome
3138 [21:15:09] <greycat> Use whichever one you like most (or hate
least).
3139 [21:15:14] <greycat> Or use none of them.
3140 [21:15:23] <maurer> Windows10User:
"efficient/optimized" is extremely vague. The primary
purpose of a DE is to do what the user wants it to do
3141 [21:15:29] <winterss> hi
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3144 [21:16:07] <knoppix> hi
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3148 [21:16:54] <SuperTramp83> low
3149 [21:17:05] <Windows10User> Just gonna move to Linux
3150 [21:17:05] <Windows10User> I'm between 4 distros,
actually.
3151 [21:17:05] <Windows10User> greycat: I'm a Windows user.
3152 [21:17:05] <Windows10User> But really hard to decide the
distro I guess, not I found I can select DE or Windows managers hehe
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3157 [21:17:51] <radonx> i installed Debian on a HDD and moved the
HDD to another PC, I'm able to login but after the login i get
"A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. all
extensions have been disabled as precatution" does someone has
a answer to fix it?
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3158 [21:17:54] <disi> I've been seeing this kind of thing
more frequently lately. what does it mean?
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3164 [21:20:29] <greycat> Well, it looks like you are getting
Debian bug report synposes.
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3167 [21:21:23] <jmcnaught> disi: you have apt-listbugs installed
3168 [21:21:30] <Windows10User> what did I do
3169 [21:21:42] <TomTomTo1> you activated the spam protection.
3170 [21:21:52] <jmcnaught> Windows10User: too many lines at once,
don't hit <enter> like it's punctuation ;)
3171 [21:21:59] <greycat> Windows10User: 4 of your lines came
through all at once. Could have been lag.
3172 [21:22:09] <puffyfootpath> So I installed Thunderbird, how do
I run it just by typing thunderbird, rather than
./thunderbird/thunderbird?
3173 [21:22:22] <Windows10User> dammit, how, sorry, so, where were
we
3174 [21:22:38] <puffyfootpath> Not even sure what to google to
figure it out
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3176 [21:22:43] <TomTomTo1> puffyfootpath: put it somewhere that
is in you $PATH or create a symlink.
3177 [21:22:56] <greycat> Windows10User: Use whatever you like. If
you don't know what you like yet, try each thing.
3178 [21:22:59] <jmcnaught> radonx: are you able to log into a
virtual console (tty1 for example?) can you make a new user and test
logging in with that user?
3179 [21:23:09] <disi> jmcnaught: I thnk so... is that what's
causing it?
3180 [21:23:18] <puffyfootpath> ty TomTomTol
3181 [21:23:27] <puffyfootpath> TomTomTo1
3182 [21:23:28] <jmcnaught> puffyfootpath: or you can install
Icedove which is just rebranded thunderbird
3183 [21:23:46] <puffyfootpath> I already configured Thunderbird,
so meh
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3185 [21:23:55] <jmcnaught> disi: take a look at the description
of the apt-listbugs package
3186 [21:24:03] <Windows10User> greycat: thanks, is it possible to
ask, why would you recommend debian over ubuntu?
3187 [21:24:10] <greycat> !why debian
3188 [21:24:11] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom
whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of
making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See
also
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3191 [21:24:49] <puffyfootpath> I personally run Debian for better
stability and privacy over Ubuntu
3192 [21:24:49] <jmcnaught> radonx: also do you have a
/etc/X11/xorg.conf file or anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
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3195 [21:25:55] <disi> jmcnaught: I see... so if im not running
sid, i dont really need that?
3196 [21:26:08] <Windows10User> awesome, thanks gonna read that,
maybe last question, why is Ubuntu actually the most used distro? at
least what I found and read in google say that.
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3198 [21:26:27] <radonx>
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3199 [21:26:28] <greycat> Same reason Windows is the most popular
OS. "Because everyone else uses it."
3200 [21:26:31] <greycat> Sheep.
3201 [21:26:41] <jmcnaught> disi: i don't use it on jessie.
if you don't like it don't use it. if you're worried
about bugs, keep using it.
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3204 [21:27:21] <disi> jmcnaught: I guess I dont fully
understand... is it telling me about bugs in things im about to
install?
3205 [21:27:33] <greycat> disi: that wasn't obvious?
3206 [21:27:34] <disi> or things being fixed by what im installing
3207 [21:27:44] <greycat> It's telling you about bugs in the
package you are about to upgrade.
3208 [21:27:55] <cheapie> Is there a way to make sg_format set the
FOV and DPRY bits? I need it to do so, but I can't find an
option anywhere in the manual.
3209 [21:28:02] <Windows10User> greycat: thanks, so your advice is
try, but, you use debian and which de?
3210 [21:28:05] <jmcnaught> disi: and giving you a chance to
cancel the install/upgrade to avoid the bug
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3212 [21:28:13] <greycat> Whether the upgrade FIXES or INTRODUCES
the bugs, it has no idea. You have to look it up yourself.
3213 [21:28:42] <greycat> Windows10User: I use Debian, but I
don't use any DE. I just use a regular traditional window
manager (fvwm).
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3216 [21:29:18] <Windows10User> greycat: that's not gonna be
easy for me right :p
3217 [21:29:48] <disi> jmcnaught, greycat: i think ill keep this
installed for now (considering running sid one day). thank you!
3218 [21:29:54] <jmcnaught> Windows10User: i recommend starting
with GNOME. You can also have more than one DE installed at a time,
and select which one to use when you log in
3219 [21:30:04] <greycat> Depends on whether you like the WM
defaults, or want to configure stuff. Configuration of WMs is
usually a bit more involved than DEs (editing config files, reading
man pages). DEs are more point-and-click.
3220 [21:30:17] <cheapie> Windows10User: If I were you, I'd
install KDE and be done with it for now. The non-DE options are best
saved for after you know more about what you're doing.
3221 [21:30:38] <cheapie> (or XFCE, or LXDE, or, heck, even GNOME
if you like that one)
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3224 [21:31:01] <greycat> I'm told that KDE and XFCE are more
comfortable for Windows users.
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3227 [21:31:44] <cheapie> greycat: I've never used XFCE, but
I have used KDE, and it sure feels like Windows. Both in that
it's all shiny, and a pain in the a** to work with.
3228 [21:32:04] <teraflops> kde learning curve is bigger than
gnome one imo
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3230 [21:32:22] <jmcnaught> i find GNOME very well polished and at
least on my computer things like multimedia buttons worked out of
the box, but not on KDE. YMMV
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3233 [21:33:00] <cheapie> GNOME seems to be best at Just
Working(tm) as long as you don't need anything
"special".
3234 [21:33:18] <greycat> Doesn't GNOME have a tendency to
not let you log in if it doesn't like your video driver?
3235 [21:33:22] <missmbob> gnome makes my head hurt
3236 [21:33:43] <jmcnaught> fglrx is broken in GNOME on Jessie,
but radeon works
3237 [21:33:52] <greycat> surely that depends on the video chipset
3238 [21:33:53] <ProfessorKaos64> Do I need to ask about compile
errors / build errors in the debian-mentors channel?
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3240 [21:34:08] <cheapie> missmbob: KDE does that quite literally
since it doesn't support not changing volume settings when
notifications play. Still.
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3243 [21:34:22] <greycat> ProfessorKaos64: you *can* ask here, if
it's Debian related, but -mentors may have more knowledge on
the topic
3244 [21:34:39] <llldino> Some time ago, bash completion stopped
working for me if there was an '+' sign in the command.
For example, if I type dd=/dev/ze<TAB> , bash completion would
resolve this to '/dev/zero' and completely omit the
'dd if='. Does anyone know why this is happening
3245 [21:34:53] <llldino> ^ I mean '=' not '+'
3246 [21:34:55] <knoppix> hi I have a knoppix distrib base on
debian and i would like change to french keyboardm, any idea ?
3247 [21:35:07] <greycat> llldino: sounds like a bug in the
bash-completion package
3248 [21:35:14] <ProfessorKaos64> Considering this makefile:
replaced-url
3249 [21:35:34] <greycat> Hah. #knoppix has 3 users.
3250 [21:35:49] <jmcnaught> knoppix: use Debian Live instead :)
3251 [21:35:50] <radonx> did you found something in my logs?
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3253 [21:36:20] <llldino> greycat, I tried dpkg --reconfigure and
apt-get install --reinstall, both did nothing. Bash compleation
works on my Debian server just fine, but not on my desktop
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3255 [21:36:34] <jmcnaught> radonx: it seems like gnome is choking
because of lack of GPU acceleration, but could you answer my
question about xorg.conf?
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3257 [21:37:06] <greycat> llldino: what version of Debian, what
version of bash-completion
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3259 [21:37:26] <cheapie> llldino: You could try purging and
reinstalling, I suppose, if you're fine with losing any config.
3260 [21:37:47] <greycat> ProfessorKaos64: that makefile is WAAAY
too big for me to find an error without knowing which target
you're building
3261 [21:37:47] <radonx> in etc/X11 only stands xorg.conf.save
3262 [21:37:57] <radonx> (and some other things)
3263 [21:38:01] <ProfessorKaos64> tell me about it...
3264 [21:38:10] <ProfessorKaos64> linux amd64 in a debian jessie
chroot
3265 [21:38:24] <greycat> ProfessorKaos64: no, what make command
is being executed?
3266 [21:38:26] <ProfessorKaos64> I figure something isnt'
getting set, I just wish I knew more about debuild vs
dpkg-buildpackage
3267 [21:38:29] <ProfessorKaos64> make
3268 [21:38:29] <llldino> greycat, Debian 8.5, bash-completion
1:2.1-4
3269 [21:38:31] <ProfessorKaos64> that is it
3270 [21:38:41] <ProfessorKaos64> debuild works, dpkg-buildpackage
does not
3271 [21:38:51] <ProfessorKaos64> I tried mimicking flags what
plain debuild uses
3272 [21:38:57] <ProfessorKaos64> the wrapper has to be doing
something extra
3273 [21:39:04] <llldino> cheapie, I might have tried that, may
try it again however
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3275 [21:39:07] <cheapie> llldino: "apt-get purge
bash-completion" followed by "apt-get install
bash-completion" might be worth a shot.
3276 [21:39:27] <ProfessorKaos64> I have a log of make -d , that
is what I am reviewing now
3277 [21:39:45] <greycat> ProfessorKaos64: You'd need to show
at least the full output of the make command. And this is probably
not a thing IRC can deal with. It's going to take a massive
amount of work/time.
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3279 [21:40:06] <jmcnaught> !confnew
3280 [21:40:06] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force
dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can
also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o
DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install
<packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall
<packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
3281 [21:40:21] <llldino> cheapie, That didn't work, the
problem persists
3282 [21:40:22] <jmcnaught> llldino: cheapie: ^^ an alternative to
purging and installing to replace confs
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3287 [21:40:38] <cheapie> jmcnaught: I'll keep that in mind.
3288 [21:40:42] <ProfessorKaos64>
replaced-url
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3290 [21:40:50] <cheapie> llldino: Well, I'm out of ideas
then :P
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3294 [21:41:28] <jmcnaught> llldino: /etc/bash_completition.d/
also has files from various other packages. Perhaps something
installed recently put a file in that directory that is messing
things up?
3295 [21:41:33] <greycat> ProfessorKaos64: I can reproduce the
error simply enough:
3296 [21:41:34] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ gcc amd64
3297 [21:41:34] <greycat> gcc: error: amd64: No such file or
directory
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3301 [21:41:50] <jmcnaught> radonx: please also check
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for any files
3302 [21:41:50] <ProfessorKaos64> yes, maybe I am not seeing the
obvious :/
3303 [21:41:59] <greycat> What you're looking for is a
mangled gcc command. Which is a pain in the ass if you aren't
being SHOWN the commands that make is running. Why aren't you
being shown them?
3304 [21:42:30] <ProfessorKaos64> I can give you a log with
debuild, which does kick off the build without that error
3305 [21:42:38] <ProfessorKaos64> which is why im so frustrated
3306 [21:43:04] <greycat> I *HATE* this recent trend of people
doing shit to make make's output less verbose. It's so
incredibly fucking stupid.
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3308 [21:43:26] <jmcnaught> llldino: also worth looking for
~/.bash_completion or testing another user
3309 [21:43:30] <llldino> jmcnaught, If I remove the
bash-completion package and manually remove the
/etc/bash_compleation.d dir, will bash_completion rebuild that on
install?
3310 [21:43:40] <ProfessorKaos64> this is an old project, but it
was never fixed up. i'd guess that TwinAphex hasn't the
time, but I wanted to take a stab at it. I hate building outside of
pbuilder/sbuild
3311 [21:43:42] <jmcnaught> llldino: no, don't do that!
3312 [21:43:52] <greycat> As soon as anything breaks, the very
first thing you need to know is "what command did it just
run" and you can't see it.
3313 [21:43:53] <llldino> jmcnaught, Ha, alright
3314 [21:43:55] <jmcnaught> llldino: as i was saying that
directory has files from *many* other packages
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3319 [21:44:49] <llldino> jmcnaught, Other users have the same
bash-completion bug, i.e sudo -i, the problem persists
3320 [21:44:52] <jmcnaught> llldino: "dpkg -S
bash_completion.d" will list packages that have files in that
directory. if you manually delete them, you'll need to use that
confmiss trick above on each of those packages
3321 [21:44:53] <puffyfootpath> <jmcnaught> puffyfootpath:
or you can install Icedove which is just rebranded thunderbird
<--- I decided to take your advice. Seems like a bit more privacy
conscious build
3322 [21:45:20] <jmcnaught> puffyfootpath: it also has the
advantage of being updated with the rest of your system
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3325 [21:46:55] <puffyfootpath> Fantastic. Anyone know a way to
not be banned from half the internet (cloudfare) while using a VPN?
3326 [21:47:18] <llldino> puffyfootpath, Don't use a VPN ^^;
3327 [21:47:59] <puffyfootpath> hm
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3330 [21:48:07] <greycat> Well, I'm back in the Fun Zone
again. The first google hits for my problem are my own mailing list
postings of the problem.
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3333 [21:49:01] <ProfessorKaos64> greycat, ha this is pretty much
the issue with the implicit prereqs, oh well. ill dig into it and
see where I get
replaced-url
3334 [21:49:38] <radonx> i searched for the xorg.conf only thing i
found was xorg.conf.save
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3336 [21:50:05] <SuperTramp83> puffyfootpath: I use one and @ ok,
no bans
3337 [21:50:21] <DoctorD90> hi! a strange thing today happend to
me: when I start pc, and I have my phone as router, debian starts
automatically and silently to download upgrade, without install
them. At the end (burning my internet phone plan) debian pops up if
I would like to install upgrades...
3338 [21:50:44] <DoctorD90> debian has never downloaded updates
itself 0o ...how can I prevent it?
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3340 [21:51:23] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: do you have
unattended-upgrades installed?
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3342 [21:52:01] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, if I dont know why debian
downloaded upgrades itself..I dont know for sure :P i go to check :P
3343 [21:52:04] <jmcnaught> greycat: what's the problem
you're having? (or just the link to your list post)
3344 [21:52:24] <greycat> jmcnaught: no_root_squash no workie on
jessie amd64.
replaced-url
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3347 [21:52:59] <jmcnaught> greycat: i'll look but i'm
not well versed in NFS
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3350 [21:53:59] <greycat> If nobody replies by tomorrow I'll
just open a bug report.
3351 [21:54:00] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, nope. Trying installing it,
it tries to download it :P
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3353 [21:54:39] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you can do "apt-cache
policy PACKAGENAME" to see if a package is installed
3354 [21:54:59] <DoctorD90> oh thx...btw I dont thing it is
installed...but i recheck
3355 [21:55:18] <DoctorD90> Installed: (none)
3356 [21:55:22] <greycat> or just dpkg -l pkgname
3357 [21:56:28] <DoctorD90> greycat, un :P
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3359 [21:56:33] <DoctorD90> so it is not isntalled
3360 [21:56:37] <greycat> right
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3364 [21:57:23] <DoctorD90> I just runned apt-get update/upgrade
some days ago, but when it asks me to upgrade (do to my internet
mobile phone plan) I disagreed
3365 [21:57:37] <greycat> DoctorD90: maybe google the *exact*
message that you get upon logging in, where it asks you. That might
be enough to track down which package is doing it.
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3368 [21:57:53] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: other things that might
download packages are gnome-packagekit, or maybe apper or whatever
the kde one is called
3369 [21:58:05] <DoctorD90> but it has never automatically
downloaded the upgrades itself 0o
3370 [21:58:11] <greycat> It does indeed sound like a DE thing, if
you get it upon a GUI login.
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3373 [21:58:51] <DoctorD90> greycat, unfortunatly, it happens this
morning, and i have restarted pc only this evening :P so I remember
only what has happened
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3375 [21:59:05] <DoctorD90> yea....maybe
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3377 [21:59:10] <greycat> If it's happening every day, you
could check cron.
3378 [21:59:13] <whlai_> howdy everyone. I have a Debian 3.1
(Sarge) and need something that can unpack .xz
3379 [21:59:15] <whlai_> Anyone?
3380 [21:59:27] <DoctorD90> because it was yet connected when I
logged in gnome
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3382 [21:59:30] <whlai_> Please note that this is Sarge so the
options are reduced
3383 [21:59:32] <greycat> whlai_: did you try compiling xz-utils
from source?
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3385 [21:59:41] <whlai_> I did not. That the way to go?
3386 [21:59:47] <greycat> That's where I would start.
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3388 [21:59:59] <whlai_> No issues doing so with sarge?
3389 [22:00:04] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea.
3390 [22:00:11] <greycat> Not a lot of sarge machines around here.
3391 [22:00:14] <whlai_> heh
3392 [22:00:15] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, i go to check for
gnome-packagekit
3393 [22:00:16] <whlai_> yeah
3394 [22:00:18] <whlai_> figures
3395 [22:00:48] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, installed :P I go to read
its manual
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3400 [22:01:32] <DoctorD90> ok...nothing about it :P
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3421 [22:06:54] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, I cant find out how acces
pacakge-kit settings -.- any idea?
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3426 [22:09:21] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: not yet, i've never
paid very close attention to it. its documentation on the
help.gnome.org site mentions some preferences but i don't know
if they're still available in the version in jessie
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3431 [22:11:21] <DoctorD90> grrr
3432 [22:11:47] <DoctorD90> because it is installed and 80mB gone
are for its existence <.<
3433 [22:11:58] <missmbob> hell just remove it
3434 [22:12:07] <DoctorD90> so i would like to sett it
3435 [22:12:24] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: so far it's not even
clear to me what starts gpk-update-viewer. removing the package is
fine, but you'll also remove the gnome meta-packages
3436 [22:12:25] <DoctorD90> missmbob, before remove it, Id like to
learn what it does :)
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3438 [22:12:58] <DoctorD90> yea....I imaged....due to this I would
like to not remove it...
3439 [22:13:22] <DoctorD90> im keeping iceweasol package because
it is present in gnome metapakage -.- ...
3440 [22:13:50] <jmcnaught> at this point iceweasel is a
transition package that depends on firefox-esr, no reason to remove
it
3441 [22:14:46] <DoctorD90> uhm...it was part of today 80mB of
update :P
3442 [22:15:08] <DoctorD90> to be a transition package, and to be
an update...it seems strange to me :P
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3444 [22:15:40] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90:
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3451 [22:17:54] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, 1. im not having a real
internet flat connection from starts of June...so yea...it is
possible :P 2.ok, but i have yet installed firefox-esr 0o ...and it
updates a transitional package? ...maybe I have to go to read again
what a transition pacjage is and how it works
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3453 [22:18:23] <DoctorD90> because it sounds strange to me... :P
i had yet firefox-esr :D
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3455 [22:19:02] <TomTomTo1> it automatically turned into a
transitional package some time ago. you didn't have to install
ff-esr manually.
3456 [22:19:49] <TomTomTo1> it's only there to not break
dependencies now.
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3462 [22:21:04] <DoctorD90> okok, but i switched automatically to
firefox-esr some months ago :P I thougth it became a transition
package in that period :P
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3470 [22:25:29] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: iceweasel will probably be
a transition period at least until stretch is released
3471 [22:25:39] <duelle> Hi, how can I modify the crypttab file
that the device is not mounted automatically but manually?
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3474 [22:26:17] <DoctorD90> Ah ok :D btw....I cant find way to
start that window
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3475 [22:26:21] <DoctorD90> grrr
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3478 [22:27:09] <DoctorD90> and I find out what happened... with
Package Log, it showes me that today it upgrades some packages...
3479 [22:27:17] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: it's looking like that
configuration option as removed
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3481 [22:27:38] <DoctorD90> .....the only usefull
stuff..removed...why? XD uff...
3482 [22:27:54] <DoctorD90> now i have to find a way to edit
preferences :P
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3487 [22:29:52] <DoctorD90> dconf helps me with a search of
package kit :P ...now I have to understand options :P
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3489 [22:30:04] <TomTomTo1> your tongue is hanging out, mate.
3490 [22:30:51] <DoctorD90> hehe
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3492 [22:31:34] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: there's also
/etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf but i haven't found where its
options are documented
3493 [22:32:17] <DoctorD90> thx! i go to check
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3495 [22:33:20] <DoctorD90> all commented.....hem...really usefull
this config file...thx packagekit developer, every where you are
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3497 [22:33:48] <missmbob> i miss eazel. that's when i gave
up on gnome.
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3500 [22:35:02] <DoctorD90> i meet mate....if only I'd meet
it before...
3501 [22:35:49] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you could also ask in
#PackageKit how to disable automatic downloads. if you get an answer
i'd be curious what it was
3502 [22:36:08] <DoctorD90> ?? exist that channel?? I go!
3503 [22:36:50] <jmcnaught>
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3506 [22:39:35] <DoctorD90> ye...exists! im waiting reply ^^ i
will let you know! thx jmcnaught and all other too!
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3513 [22:40:55] <Fr_Dae> evrybody ? what is you actual DE please ?
( echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP )
3514 [22:41:15] <greycat> Fr_Dae: a blank line.
3515 [22:41:31] <TomTomTo1> i3
3516 [22:42:19] <missmbob> Fr_Dae: no, not everybody. dont has
several hundred people to post at the same time. are you crazy?
3517 [22:43:00] <DoctorD90> .....
3518 [22:43:13] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, open dconf please. Search
for update.
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3521 [22:43:26] <Fr_Dae> i just want what is your DE
3522 [22:43:27] <Fr_Dae> just
3523 [22:43:33] <DoctorD90> or faster=
org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates
3524 [22:43:34] <Fr_Dae> i'm on LXDE but i need ask
3525 [22:43:35] <DoctorD90> -.-
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3528 [22:44:09] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you might be waiting a
while in that channel. in dconf at org.gnome.packagekit i don't
see anything about downloading
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3530 [22:44:37] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, search for
org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates
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3532 [22:45:09] <hiya> How to add additional IP to a server?
3533 [22:45:18] <hiya> Should i add that IP to the same eth0
interface?
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3535 [22:45:39] <missmbob> !ip alias
3536 [22:45:39] <dpkg> IP aliasing is when you establish multiple
network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases
are eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. Ask me about <interfaces>.
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3537 [22:45:43] <missmbob> you can.
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3539 [22:46:17] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: oh there it is!
there's also a "connection-use-mobile" option, not
sure how that works. I wonder if this is still exposed in a GUI
somewhere or only dconf at this point
3540 [22:46:59] <ProfessorKaos64> is there any known irc channel
that helps with debugging C?
3541 [22:47:05] <greycat> ##c
3542 [22:47:14] <greycat> But you said makefiles earlier. Did you
really mean makefiles?
3543 [22:47:16] <jmcnaught> as much as i love gnome, this might be
the last release of debian that i can use it with.. i tried gnome in
stretch for a bit and they might've finally removed too much
configurability for me
3544 [22:47:16] <DoctorD90> only dconf I think..btw, im using
android phone as wifi router, so for pc, is a "normal"
wifi connectin :P
3545 [22:47:23] <greycat> If it's makefiles, then
##workingset
3546 [22:47:33] <missmbob> jmcnaught: finally. welcome
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3548 [22:47:53] <ProfessorKaos64> greycat, what I can tell, via my
new favorite tool, splint, is the search path is being ignored when
running dpkg-buildpackage
3549 [22:48:05] <ProfessorKaos64> or not being set right
3550 [22:48:27] <greycat> doesn't sound like C, then.
3551 [22:48:46] <ProfessorKaos64> so ##workingset would be ideal?
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3553 [22:49:05] <DoctorD90> missmbob, Id love gnome2. I dont fully
loves gnome3...
3554 [22:49:21] <hiya> missmbob, how do you add more IP to the
same interface? I am using Debian 8
3555 [22:49:54] <DoctorD90> I dont switch to not find me with
thousand of packages unusable...
3556 [22:49:55] <missmbob> hiya: what i had the bot tell you was
how. you use eth0:1 instead of eth0, for example. so now eth0 has
two
3557 [22:50:05] <jmcnaught> i've loved gnome 3.4 and 3.14..
3.18 (when i tried stretch) had a terrible systray implementation
3558 [22:50:06] <DoctorD90> many configurations and other stuff
not well installed...
3559 [22:50:13] <DoctorD90> xD
3560 [22:50:36] <missmbob> hiya: it has two because eth0 is one ip
and eth0:1 is a second. get it?
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3563 [22:53:29] <hiya> missmbob, but then if I setup it like that
then how do I refer to this new interface in iptables?
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3565 [22:53:37] <hiya> would it be eth0:1 or eth0 only?
3566 [22:53:55] <missmbob> hiya: eth0:1
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3570 [22:55:05] <jasabella> hi
3571 [22:55:49] <jasabella> i dont know if this is a problem with
the mirror i'm using but i'm getting a hash sum mismatch
during package list update of testing
3572 [22:56:06] <missmbob> !tell jasabella about debian-next
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3574 [22:56:35] <hiya> missmbob, you sure? iptables respect eth0:1
as independent interface?
3575 [22:56:42] <jasabella> ta
3576 [22:56:48] <DoctorD90> !tell DoctorD90 about debian-next
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3579 [22:57:24] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you can also /msg dpkg
3580 [22:57:28] <missmbob> hiya: you can ask their home at
#netfilter if you want
3581 [22:57:59] <DoctorD90> :P so many function that I never
remember sorry
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3586 [23:02:20] <mo1991reg> does anyone know how I get accepted to
the Debian users group on linked In? Sent an invite months ago but
no response. Been Debian user for 20 years.
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3589 [23:03:20] <mo1991reg> or pretty close, At least since woody
:)
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3596 [23:07:13] <pugfantus> mo1991reg: I've still got my
Debian 2.1 discs from CheapBytes
3597 [23:08:01] <DoctorD90> guys, yesterday I installed debian
buzz on virtual box, but i get some trouble with virtualbox about
file dimension/type. May I suggest to add a little script to give
possibility to other to install buzz on virtualbox without issues?
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3599 [23:09:11] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: nobody will be changing
anything in buzz at this point, but you could document how you got
it to work on your blog or in a forum somewhere so that others can
figure it out too
3600 [23:09:58] <pugfantus> exactly, but awesome work!
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3602 [23:10:17] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught, i would mean just add some
lines on INSTALL file :P but ok :D
3603 [23:10:34] <DoctorD90> I want an original installation disk
me too !!!
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3606 [23:11:25] <OrbsTheorem> tmux bind-key -T prefix
'P' list-buffers \; command-prompt -I "buffer00"
"paste-buffer -b '%%' \; send-keys
'Enter'"
3607 [23:11:32] <OrbsTheorem> usefull ^^
3608 [23:11:42] <awal1> How to make long outputs fit x terminal
emulators ?
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3612 [23:13:23] <awal1> If i run , say, dpkg --get-selections ,
the output is s long and shift + up dont get me to the beginning .
So I ususally use less or > x file. Any othe ralternative?
3613 [23:14:12] <awal1> I have that issue almost when in
tty's
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3615 [23:14:39] <Vardex> Since yesterday I got an error
"Network error: Software caused connection abort" with
PuTTY while trying to connect to my server throught ssh anyone know
what can I do?
3616 [23:14:47] <TomTomTo1> you can probably increase the
scrollback in whatever terminal emulator you are using
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3618 [23:15:28] <awal1> if I run aptitude install gnome kde-full,
hundreds of libs/recommends are installed and can't see all the
output...
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3620 [23:15:46] <jmcnaught> awal1: running screen and using its
scrollback buffer is another option.. or just use a pager like less
3621 [23:16:00] <awal1> TomTomTo1, ok, will check scrollback stuff
in my terminals settings
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3623 [23:16:58] <awal1> jmcnaught, if just searching stuff , less
is usefull right, almost problematic when installing big metapkgs in
tty
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3628 [23:18:28] <awal1> well, I wonder if one can use less for
installs too; never tried
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3630 [23:18:30] <SerajewelKS> awal1: "script" can be
useful as well
3631 [23:18:32] <jmcnaught> awal1: i prefer screen 'C-A
]' to using shift+pgup at this point
3632 [23:18:43] <SerajewelKS> jmcnaught: you too, eh?
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3636 [23:19:50] <jmcnaught> SerajewelKS: yeah. script is also a
good suggestion, i usually only use that for major release
dist-upgrades though
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3638 [23:21:06] <awal1> Serajewelks, right I use script ; but I
almost use it when I install big pkg for test knowing that probably
I'll remove it later. so for avoid searching which recommends
/suggests/deps that big pkg installed (remove them all also) I find
script very helpful
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3640 [23:21:32] <awal1> jmcnaught, ok, I will check screen also
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3642 [23:21:58] <awal1> used it a few times but never had a free
time for learn about it heavily
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3644 [23:22:41] <jmcnaught> awal1: i've gotten a lot of
mileage out of screen only knowing some of the basics, i think
i've barely scratched the surface :)
3645 [23:23:23] <awal1> jmcnaught, :) I guess I'll would try
to know just the basics also :)
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3647 [23:23:35] <awal1> i will try ^
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3649 [23:23:51] <awal1> computing is not my job
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3653 [23:26:11] <awal1> My world (job) is teaching human sciences
(languages, history ...)
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3659 [23:29:26] <DoctorD90> guys, I would read some floppy
5.25" ..do you know any usb reader for that format?
3660 [23:30:59] <epsilon> there are, just google
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3665 [23:33:07] <shellclear> hi guys, I have a question about
linux defragmentation
3666 [23:33:33] <jmcnaught> shellclear: you may proceed
3667 [23:33:36] <DoctorD90> only find out some expensve board that
translate signal, and they can just read perfect floppy..if a little
damaged, it is useless
3668 [23:33:50] <shellclear> it's necessary defrag
filesystems like ext3 or reiserfs
3669 [23:33:59] <shellclear> ?
3670 [23:34:02] <missmbob> shellclear: no
3671 [23:34:10] <DoctorD90> from my knowledge, defragmention under
linux doesnt exist..only under windows
3672 [23:34:20] <DoctorD90> ok, +1 to my linux knowledge
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3674 [23:35:14] <shellclear> missmbob: My filesystem show me a
message, it said something like (blocks non-contiguos, %2 frag)
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3676 [23:35:27] <shellclear> is it some problem?
3677 [23:35:29] <epsilon> shellclear: ignore it
3678 [23:35:37] <sypher> Certain filesystems do have a
defragmentation utility, but I've never needed to actually use
them.
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3680 [23:35:48] <greycat> 2% fragmentation is pefectly reasonable
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3683 [23:36:46] <shellclear> epsilon and missmbob , thank you!
3684 [23:36:47] <shellclear> :D
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3686 [23:37:10] <shellclear> do you know some docs about this
subject?
3687 [23:37:51] <shellclear> thank you greycat
3688 [23:38:15] <shellclear> I'll google
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3717 [23:51:34] <theviajerock> Hi
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3719 [23:52:06] <mass> hi2
3720 [23:52:27] <ellie2> Hi, I'm having problems logging in
locally on both tty1 and X
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3724 [23:53:07] <ellie2> The system hangs or times-out and
won't log in. This also happens if the screen is
'locked' by screensaver
3725 [23:53:08] <theviajerock> I'm learning LXC, can somebody
help me please? I really don't know how to configure the
networking... I tried some guides, but doesn't work.
3726 [23:53:22] <mass> click ctrl+alt+F1
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3730 [23:54:03] <ellie2> It seems the system cannot authenticate
me, HOWEVER - I can still log in on ttyS0 (serial port) just fine.
When I do this, it also fixes the local login problem too.
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3736 [23:57:05] <ellie2> It doesn't seem to be all the time.
I just 'locked' my screend with ctrl-alt-L (in MATE), then
typed my password and it unlocked fine. Other times it hangs and
eventually says 'timeout'
3737 [23:57:40] <ellie2> ...yet it works fine as SOON as I log in
on ttyS0 serial port
3738 [23:57:55] <mass> its no problem
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3740 [23:58:16] <ellie2> ...even if I log back out of ttyS0 that
is. It seems the act of logging in on ttyS0 fixes something.
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3746 [23:59:52] <mass> if says timeout try again
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