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4[00:01:08] <mrquincy> rmzelnick: you're sure the service was stopped when you did this?
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7[00:02:35] <wyre> SerajewelKS, I had not jline installed, could be this the issue?
8[00:02:46] <wyre> which version should I install? jline or jline2?
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11[00:05:11] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: are you using stretch?
12[00:05:13] <wyre> oh, these look like dev libraries, not packaged software
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17[00:06:23] <tpo2> what happened to gcc's documentation aka gcc-8-doc? it's not in the repo?
18[00:07:13] <SerajewelKS> wyre: it's bundled
19[00:07:28] <jmcnaught> tpo2: some GNU documentation is in the non-free section in Debian
20[00:07:33] <wyre> SerajewelKS, inside jre?
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22[00:08:32] <rmzelnick> mrquincy: systemctl stop mariadb.service
23[00:08:37] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: yes
24[00:09:08] <tpo2> jmcnaught, i have non-free in my sources, but gcc-8-doc not available - replaced-url
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30[00:09:47] <tpo2> jmcnaught, which docu package do you mean?
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32[00:10:18] <rmzelnick> is there a proper way of stopping mysql?
33[00:10:20] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: if you're trying to change the root password you should read the README.Debian in (I think) /usr/share/doc/mariadb-server-10.1, there are notes about changes to root user authentication
34[00:10:30] <SerajewelKS> wyre: inside craftbukkit
35[00:10:54] <rmzelnick> mariadb.service - MariaDB database server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mariadb.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead)
36[00:11:14] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: will do
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38[00:11:18] <jmcnaught> tpo2: maybe ask in the testing/unstable channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, someone there might know. I'm on stable, i have gcc-6-doc
39[00:11:32] <tpo2> thanks
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41[00:12:26] <tpo2> jmcnaught, the channel is invitation only
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44[00:12:39] <jmcnaught> tpo2: it's on another server, irc.oftc.net
45[00:12:49] <tpo2> thanks again!
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49[00:14:37] <wyre> SerajewelKS, well, then where should I report that? github? and which version are bukkit devs using? jline, jline2 or jline3?
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51[00:14:59] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: the only thing it mentions about passwords is how you can prevent typing the password everytime you want to login
52[00:15:41] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: there's also a whole section on "ROOT USER AUTHENTICATION VIA UNIX SOCKET"
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55[00:17:24] <noctambulo> why xmodmap -e 'keycode 237=' isn't working for disabling the brightness key?
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62[00:18:59] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: so from what I read, if you run mysql as root then you don't have to enter the password, and from there I can reset the root's password. Is that correct?
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64[00:20:16] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: or you simply don't give mysql root a password, and log in as root or use sudo to access the mysql root user. The README also shows examples of making other users with GRANT privileges, that user can optionally have a password
65[00:20:51] <rmzelnick> yes I read that too
66[00:21:01] <rmzelnick> I'll look into it and let you know
67[00:21:05] <rmzelnick> thanks for helping out
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71[00:24:11] <rmzelnick> I got 0 rows affected, and 1 warning but no warning message is displayed
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86[00:28:01] <mrquincy> Currently troubleshooting a problem with PC Speaker. Not blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d and only relevant output i can get during loading the module is here: replaced-url
87[00:28:14] <mrquincy> Any thoughts?
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97[00:35:42] <rant> mrquincy: what is the problem?
98[00:35:58] <rant> cause all I see is you showing it working
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100[00:37:49] <mrquincy> Well that's a good start anyway
101[00:38:02] <mrquincy> I'm not able to get "beep" to work at either pty or tty terminals
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104[00:39:30] <rant> mrquincy: what kind of system is this?
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107[00:40:15] <mrquincy> It's a Lenovo T480 running stretch
108[00:40:29] <mrquincy> Linux ridgeback 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
109[00:40:46] <rant> mrquincy: chances are it doesnt have a pc speaker which means it'd be emulating it via an alsa loopback
110[00:40:56] <mrquincy> I get a beep at POST
111[00:41:13] <rant> yes, probably through the sound card and normal speakers
112[00:41:17] <rant> mrquincy: run alsamixer
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114[00:41:29] <mrquincy> weird, my t470 had one
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116[00:41:46] <mrquincy> I have alsamixer up. no pcspkr though
117[00:42:10] <rant> mrquincy: press f6 and tell me what sound cards are listed
118[00:42:26] <mrquincy> only HDA Intel PCH
119[00:42:37] <mrquincy> and "- (default)"
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121[00:42:50] <rant> ok, do you see a "beep" or "loopback" channel?
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125[00:43:30] <mrquincy> I don't. I do see Master, Headphone, Speaker, PCM, Mic Boost and some spdif's
126[00:43:41] <calamari> The debian installer is able to install grub to my EFI machine so that it boots, but I can't seem to replicate its success via the grub-install command lines I've tried. Could anyone point me to the Debian installer grub installation source code or scripts so I can analyze them for clues?
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128[00:43:58] <rant> mrquincy: what is showing at the bottom of the speaker channel?
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132[00:44:43] <mrquincy> MM
133[00:44:54] <mrquincy> What's that mean?
134[00:45:12] <rant> means its muted
135[00:45:17] <rant> press m to unmute
136[00:45:49] <mrquincy> ok, now it says 00
137[00:45:55] <rant> on my system, Lenovo X240 I have a loopback toggle which must be set to enable and a beep channel which must be unmuted and turned up for beep to work
138[00:46:04] <mrquincy> i tried a beep from another terminal, but no dice
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140[00:46:20] <rant> the speaker has nothing to do with the pcspkr functionality on my system
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143[00:48:36] <rant> of course my system also doesnt require the pcspkr module to be loaded
144[00:48:41] <rant> to run "beep"
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146[00:48:59] <mrquincy> It appears the speaker channel was only mutd because headphones were plugge din
147[00:49:50] <rant> yes well when I plug in headphones I get the beep in the headphones
148[00:50:17] <rant> and I have DP/HDMI plugged in..the beep can only operate on my analog audio
149[00:50:49] <rant> unfortunately you have a totally undocumented machine.. the T 4xx are sparsely documented, the t470 not at all
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151[00:51:33] <blackflow> rant: u sure that's not just pcspkr emulation through alsa? pcspkr is that little buzzing thing on the mobo. no volume to it, or anything like that. and it needs teh module afaik
152[00:51:58] <rant> I know what a pc speaker is.. most computers don't have them anymore
153[00:52:03] <rant> they emulate the
154[00:52:05] <blackflow> notsure if modern mobos evencome with one any more
155[00:52:12] <blackflow> yea that.
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157[00:54:15] <mrquincy> I'm beginning to suspect you're right. I could have swore mt t470 had that. My t420 definitely, does, because it's next to me beeping happily.
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159[00:54:39] <rant> you should still be able to beep regardless
160[00:54:47] <rant> alsa does pcspkr emulation
161[00:54:58] <rant> I dont have a pcspkr and I can beep
162[00:56:22] <mrquincy> I liked the t420's beep because it was "out of band" with respect to my other audio settings. if headphones were plugged in etc
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164[00:56:39] <mrquincy> but in any case, I'd be satisfied with an emulated beep
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166[00:56:50] <mrquincy> for...composition purposes :P
167[00:56:54] <blackflow> rant: sounds like something that should be put on a t-shirt. "I don't have a pcspkr and I can beep!"
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170[00:57:30] <mrquincy> empowering!
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182[01:01:14] <mrquincy> I appreciate your time on this..going to try the folks at ##ibmthinkpad
183[01:01:27] <mrquincy> probably some grubby windows users. ew.
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263[01:49:40] <mrquincy> rant: Do you think this could be related to ACPI settings? I recall having to configure ACPI on my old Lenovo. ACPI isn't working atm. another thing on my list...
264[01:50:00] <mrquincy> specifically screen brightness key
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273[01:55:30] <mrquincy> brb, trying the reboot
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280[01:58:29] <mrquincy> no dice with or without acpi=on kernel flag
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289[02:02:03] <mrquincy> ah, dmesg says brightness disabled by default
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377[03:23:00] <Deihmos> when i add someone to the user group shouldn't the app be able to access the same files as the main user
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380[03:23:54] <Deihmos> i login with john. i want to add an app that runs as peter to group john. wouldn't they gain access to the same files?
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392[03:40:54] <Deihmos> got it
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404[03:54:05] <Retr0id_> I'm running into the issue described here (replaced-url
405[03:54:23] <Retr0id_> I don't really know what dbus is/does, what do I need to do to set it up?
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411[04:05:45] <Spec> Retr0id_: does it not work?
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413[04:06:12] <Retr0id_> define "it"?
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415[04:06:33] <Retr0id_> I get the issue described in the page I linked
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417[04:06:59] <Spec> Retr0id_: i mean, i get that issue too
418[04:07:01] <Spec> but i also get a pdf
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420[04:07:24] <Spec> and the pdf contains a render of the svg i passed it
421[04:07:35] <Retr0id_> Well, I don't get a PDF
422[04:07:48] <Retr0id_> I'm setting up a local test environment now to debug things...
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425[04:08:55] <Spec> Retr0id_: i pulled debian:latest container, apt-get install -y inkscape, and then pulled the svg from wikipedia
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430[04:10:58] <Retr0id_> In my particular case, the command is being called from pdflatex (I think?)
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432[04:11:50] <Retr0id_> The whole thing works fine on my Arch Linux box
433[04:12:22] <Retr0id_> I'm still setting up my test environment, I'll try to investigate more...
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440[04:16:06] <Deihmos> is there a built in tool that shows disk activity? top doesn't seem to have it
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444[04:17:08] <nkuttler> Deihmos: iotop
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489[04:48:22] <karlpinc> Deihmos: sar, iostat, a litte bit in vmstat. (I like debtags to search for things.)
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499[04:54:24] <rant> I was never sure how to actually make use of debtags then I became aware the other night that there are utilities specifically for this
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502[04:57:02] <SerajewelKS> one day we will have a better way to search for software across the board
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504[04:57:35] <SerajewelKS> e.g. i want a web-based file browser/manager with mobile support, allowing previews of files (images, videos, text, etc.) and more advanced functionality like file tagging
505[04:57:36] <rant> I think for lesser experienced folks the Software Center was nice.. but while its still in Stretch it doesnt seem to work at all
506[04:57:57] <SerajewelKS> but i haven't found anything that isn't a full-blown owncloud-like service
507[04:58:12] <SerajewelKS> so i started writing one and it's slow going
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525[05:16:18] <rant> SerajewelKS: pfn.sf.net doesn't have specific tagging but has a title/description field which could contain any data it seems and be used as search criteria
526[05:16:58] <rant> would be more to start with than nothing :P
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536[05:19:46] <SerajewelKS> rant: i've spent quite a bit of time just on google
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538[05:20:05] <SerajewelKS> i found one that could work well but it has this opinionated idea about storing file metadata _by renaming the file and putting it in the filename_
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540[05:20:16] <SerajewelKS> which seems nice in theory -- the metadata follows it around as it moves
541[05:20:34] <SerajewelKS> on the other hand... just no
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548[05:29:01] <Retr0id_> Spec, you're right, it was making the PDF fine. I just had some non-portable LaTeX which meant it was looking in the wrong path for it...
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565[05:53:14] <flyingbutter> why are both of my gpus on by default when I install debian? is this normal?
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604[06:41:59] <fooniculares> My T400's WiFi keeps cutting out. Every time this has happened, my wireless interface has disappeared in "ip link" and "ip a" commands. Rebooting usually fixes it, but it's not working anymore.
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609[06:44:59] <fooniculares> If it's relevant, I'm using wicd. I'm not sure how to switch to NetworkManager.
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614[06:48:39] <s10gopal> replaced-url
615[06:49:02] <s10gopal> debian 9.7
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618[06:52:55] <fooniculares> Hello?
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620[06:53:22] <SlidingHorn> fooniculares: be patient :) If someone knows the answer to your question, they'll respond
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622[06:56:25] <diogenes_> fooniculares, check and see if there is any proprietary driver available for your card.
623[06:58:11] <SlidingHorn> s10gopal: Debian 9 uses the 4.9 kernel series, I believe...
624[06:58:36] <s10gopal> SlidingHorn: yes
625[06:59:05] <SlidingHorn> your bug report shows that it's in 4.13 and newer
626[07:00:04] <s10gopal> SlidingHorn: it is present in debian 4.9, in ubuntu it was present in 4.13 kernel
627[07:00:19] <s10gopal> might be due to some back port .
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629[07:00:39] <SlidingHorn> s10gopal: Ah...see here: replaced-url
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632[07:02:22] <s10gopal> SlidingHorn: thanks
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635[07:04:12] <s10gopal> SlidingHorn: can you please tell which package to choose to report bug ?
636[07:05:34] <SlidingHorn> whichever kernel package you have that is affected
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638[07:07:08] <rant> s10gopal: replaced-url
639[07:07:28] <s10gopal> rant: thanks
640[07:07:45] <rant> s10gopal: replaced-url
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785[09:13:33] <fooniculares> My WiFi card and wireless interface aren't showing up at all. What do?
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788[09:15:00] <jelly> fooniculares: did they previously work on this machine? In Debian?
789[09:15:22] <fooniculares> jelly: yep
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791[09:15:44] <fooniculares> jelly: My WiFi has intermittently been going down. A reboot has fixed it before, but not anymore.
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795[09:16:14] <jelly> fooniculares: is the device (still) present in "lspci" or "lsusb" output?
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799[09:16:34] <fooniculares> jelly: not for lspci
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801[09:16:52] <fooniculares> not for lsusb, either
802[09:17:16] <jelly> consider the possibility of hardware issues, then
803[09:17:28] <jelly> is this a laptop?
804[09:17:48] <fooniculares> jelly: Yep, Thinkpad T400
805[09:18:20] <jelly> figure out where the wifi card is placed, see if you can remove it, clean the connector, put it back
806[09:18:55] <fooniculares> jelly: thanks, will try
807[09:18:59] <jelly> probably a mini pcie card, or mini pci, dunno exactly how old a T400 is
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809[09:19:30] <jelly> if you can't find it, people in ##ibmthinkpad channel might have ideas
810[09:19:35] <jrg> noauto in fstab prevents something from mounting on boot right?
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812[09:19:48] <fooniculares> I already tried changing it out for an AR5007 (which was said to not be BIOS-blacklisted online), but it wouldn't accept it, so I'm stuck with the default Intel one
813[09:19:58] <jrg> trying to allow user mounting with the user flag but it keeps mounting as root on boot
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815[09:20:08] <s10gopal> BugReport stuck on gathering data.
816[09:20:36] <jelly> fooniculares: T400 is old enough that there may be workarounds for the bios whitelist, ask in ##ibmthinkpad
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853[09:37:46] <wrksx> Mornin all
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855[09:38:36] <kirk781> Hello wrksx
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896[09:57:17] <s10gopal> error while reporting bug replaced-url
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899[09:58:22] <rant> o.O
900[09:58:45] <themill> ah, the bts doesn't like src:linux
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902[09:59:36] <themill> assuming you've already checked that it has not been filed, use --no-query-bts
903[10:00:01] <s10gopal> thanks
904[10:00:27] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Does it happen consistently? Might only be one time where the server returned an error.
905[10:00:55] <s10gopal> petn-randall: always
906[10:00:57] <rant> no, that'll happen consistently.. when you do a bunch of no-nos in a row
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930[10:17:16] <wrksx> Okay so now that I configured smartd in a (hopefully) sensible way, I'm looking at the logs from the service. It says:
931[10:17:37] <wrksx> "Jan 30 09:46:14 sd-49066 smartd[6265]: Device: /dev/sda, type changed from 'scsi' to 'sat'"
932[10:18:17] <wrksx> I supose scsi is a default, and that it's expected to change after the configuration is parsed.
933[10:18:50] <wrksx> But sat is described as SCSI to ATA Translation in the manual
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937[10:20:08] <wrksx> And my hard drive is supposed to use SATA connection, so I'm all surprised
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961[10:33:20] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox-esr
962[10:34:47] <CaptainN> good browser
963[10:35:11] <diogenes_> Falkon, the best browser :)
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967[10:36:28] <andre144k> hi all
968[10:36:43] <andre144k> i have follow script: replaced-url
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970[10:37:15] <andre144k> how can i put output inside logfile and on screen via "tee /tmp/out.log" ?
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982[10:43:30] <wrksx> andre144k, i think ./myscript | tee /tmp/out.log
983[10:43:51] <andre144k> ah, good idea
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985[10:44:00] <wrksx> redirects the output of your script to tee, which will output it to stdout and the file
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988[10:44:38] <jelly> or redirect output to file and tail -f that file elsewhere
989[10:44:45] <wrksx> the file will be overwritten each time, use tee options to append to the file instead
990[10:45:22] <jelly> piping to tee, if tee dies for any reason, output will be lost
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993[10:46:25] <andre144k> thx for informations...
994[10:46:31] <wrksx> yeah I wouldn't like to use tee for long running stuff
995[10:46:37] <s10gopal> what is the kernel version of debian 10 ?
996[10:46:46] <andre144k> yes, better ">> log"
997[10:47:19] <andre144k> s10gopal, not sure i mean 4.19 or 4.20
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1009[10:58:07] <wrksx> In smartd.conf, can I go on with a simple "-m root -M daily exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner" without diving into what is smartd-runner going to do?
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1018[11:04:06] <blackflow> wrksx: that depends on whether you're okay with using sofware without knowing what it does? :)
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1020[11:04:54] <blackflow> wrksx: in which case I'd leave it at default
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1022[11:06:03] <blackflow> I mean did you look into that script? it's a few lines of code
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1066[11:39:03] <nuxil> Hello
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1070[11:43:04] <nuxil> Yesterday i asked how i could run a task each hour.. i think i started a hole debate on cron vs foobar.. anywho. im having problems. my script is not executing each hour as i want it to do.
1071[11:43:19] <nuxil> i did place my script in /etc/crond.hourly
1072[11:43:29] <nuxil> did a chmod 777 on it :p
1073[11:43:58] <nuxil> also added a shebang or whatever its called to the top of my python script.
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1075[11:44:40] <nuxil> just executing ./myscript.py from cli works fine. but the scheduler is not running the task each hour as i want it to
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1079[11:48:42] <nuxil> i have also tried running. systemctl restart cron , but did not help.
1080[11:50:15] <jelly> nuxil: your script needs to be executable (777 is not a good idea tho), and have a valid shebang first line #!
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1083[11:51:33] <nuxil> #!/usr/bin/python3.5
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1085[11:52:01] <nuxil> thats my shebang.. man why is it called shebang? it shounds like a porn expression :p
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1087[11:53:17] <klys> shell bangpath?
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1089[11:54:23] <onlyopen> hi, is it a way to delete files from already full /var/log while i cannot run any command because of IN/OUT error?
1090[11:56:29] <nuxil> jelly, any ideas?
1091[11:57:10] <diogenes_> onlyopen, from a live session?
1092[11:57:12] <nuxil> when the scripts are located in /etc/crond.X are they executed as user or as root? because my script need root premission to work.
1093[11:57:40] <colo-work> nuxil, yes
1094[11:57:46] <nuxil> colo-work, yes what ?
1095[11:58:02] <colo-work> they'll be executed by the root user (UID 0)
1096[11:58:07] <nuxil> ok
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1099[11:59:19] <nuxil> so where do i look for why its not running ? any logs i can dig in ?
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1117[12:10:18] <onlyopen> diogenes: yes, i cannot login via ssh...
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1120[12:11:58] <NetTerminalGene> what does transitional package mean?
1121[12:12:55] <FinalX> usually an empty package with a name that everyone is used to, but which actually depends on the actual new package
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1123[12:13:33] <_wrksx> blackflow, thx for the input =) no I thought it would be a binary
1124[12:13:41] <_wrksx> I'll have a look then
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1129[12:14:42] <_wrksx> blackflow, lol it's literally 5 lines
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1131[12:16:01] <blackflow> _wrksx: it just uses the run-parts(8) mechanism to exec a few notification scripts (mail, local notification daemon). I'm assuming you know what -M does.
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1133[12:16:18] <_wrksx> blackflow, yeah I do
1134[12:16:43] <blackflow> _wrksx: take a look at /etc/smartmontools/run.d/ too, the scripts there are very short too
1135[12:16:52] <_wrksx> I'm not familiar with run parts but i think it's not the hardest to figure out
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1137[12:17:12] <_wrksx> blackflow, yeah I actually already had a look at these
1138[12:17:32] <_wrksx> "cat >$tmp" what is that supposed to do ?
1139[12:17:54] <_wrksx> ah empty the file, right ?
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1143[12:18:45] <rant> yes it creates and empty file or overwrites an existing file with an empty one
1144[12:18:59] <_wrksx> ty rant
1145[12:20:19] <_wrksx> tmp=$(tempfile);cat >$tmp
1146[12:20:28] <_wrksx> I don't get why assume it's not an empty file
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1148[12:23:12] <rant> um.. wth would it say tmp=$(tempfile) o.O
1149[12:23:27] <rant> $() starts a subshell and executes the contents
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1151[12:24:22] <_wrksx> "tempfile is deprecated; you should use mktemp(1) instead"
1152[12:24:30] <_wrksx> hu
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1155[12:25:03] <rant> oh.. I didnt know tempfile was a command.. duh.. there is no $ in front of it
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1157[12:25:11] <rant> I am familiar with mktemp
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1159[12:26:59] <rant> yes that does seem odd to create a new file then clear it
1160[12:27:37] <rant> when i run tempfile it creates and empty file
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1165[12:28:16] <blackflow> I _think_ that's crossplatform compat. I _think_ some implementations just give you a random path but don't actually create anything.
1166[12:28:37] <rant> ah well that would make sense
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1191[12:45:28] <terra> Guys, can I install bin9-9.11 on Debian-8 without recompiling?
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1194[12:46:27] <rant> ,v bind9
1195[12:46:28] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u20; jessie-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u14; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u15; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:9.11.5.P1+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster:
1196[12:46:29] <judd> 1:9.11.5.P1+dfsg-1; sid: 1:9.11.5.P1+dfsg-1
1197[12:46:43] <terra> Any 3rd party or backport repo for bind-9.11 available?
1198[12:47:14] <colo-work> how could we know?
1199[12:47:35] <colo-work> you can try backporting the testing package to jessie yourself
1200[12:47:35] <rant> well.. I dont recall the name offhand and I dont think they are yet onto jessie but there is a private funded LTS option supporting old stable releases
1201[12:47:41] <terra> if you have used probably you may know, right?
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1203[12:47:56] <rant> terra: backporting isnt that difficult at all
1204[12:48:09] <rant> ,checkbackport bind9
1205[12:48:20] <judd> Backporting package bind9 in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python3-distutils.
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1207[12:48:21] <terra> not available for jessie
1208[12:48:38] <rant> looks like python3 is going to be the challenge
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1213[12:48:58] <terra> bind-9.9 is EOL
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1215[12:49:02] <_wrksx> so basically /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner is going to send me an email
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1217[12:49:10] <t3st3r> python is always pain in the rear...
1218[12:49:25] <rant> so even if it were available somehow.. you'd either require a python3 backport or it to be rewritten to remove all python3 dependency
1219[12:49:52] <rant> terra: if you want a real simple solution that isnt backporting python3 and bind9 or upgrading to stretch, you could use a chroot
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1221[12:52:22] <terra> Thanks guys, it seems upgrade to Stretch (even Buster?) seems reasonable option for bind9 on Jessie.
1222[12:53:30] <rant> terra: well buster should release in the next few months I'd imagine, its up to you what to do but during the meantime buster could introduce more security concern the only benefit being saving doing another upgrade at a later date.. bind9 9.11 is available for stretch
1223[12:54:18] <rant> terra: though I see no reason why if thats not your ideal situation you couldnt debootstrap stretch/buster/sid and install bind9 in a chroot
1224[12:54:26] <terra> rant: Thanks. Yes stretch-backports has bind-9.11
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1226[12:54:47] <rant> terra: you'd have to upgrade to stretch to get to buster anyhow
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1228[12:55:43] <terra> rant: I'm about to install from scratch and move the service on new one.
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1230[12:56:56] <rant> terra: fair enough just keep in mind that if you use buster now this will certainly create liability not only now, but more so during the freeze process.. testing is stuck between the rapid updates of sid and the stability and security of stable in a sort of very prone to security issues state
1231[12:57:30] <rant> terra: if security and stability are a concern for this use.. you may want to hold off on that to avoid headaches
1232[12:58:02] <onlyopen> ok, it is hardware issue, so probably nothing to do with buster... have a good day
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1234[12:58:12] <terra> rant: I understand. This is ging to be minimum net install + bind9.
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1237[12:59:08] <rant> fair enough. just trying to keep you from being blindsided if this is some sort of vital machine to your work
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1239[12:59:36] <rant> we also don't support testing or unstable here, so I'd be remiss for not suggesting the best stable options
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1241[13:02:26] <terra> rant: You're doing right of course. I'm aware of shortcomings if I choose a non released version.
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1243[13:03:29] <rant> well I was also trying to express the fact that with the RC bug count low and falling, the freeze is imminent and there are often a lot of breakages during that time.. this is close on the horizon
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1293[13:32:23] <gedia> hello all, I want to prevent a package from installing a symlink under /etc/systemd/system. Is there a way of doing this with dkpg-divert without having to move it to another directory (i.e. delete it), or is moving it my only option?
1294[13:33:22] <rant> gedia: technically you may only need to create something there yourself.. policy doesnt allow certain things and one of them is overwriting any config without asking
1295[13:33:23] <apollo13> gedia: and masking the service does not work for you because?
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1305[13:39:16] <gedia> rant: OK so service units (or symlinks to them) are treated as config files? In that case problem solved I guess...
1306[13:39:42] <gedia> apollo13: I want to write a custom unit using the same name (or another unit with an alias of the same name, more likely)
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1308[13:40:08] <rant> gedia: idk but another crazy idea is to divert to somewhere where it'll be deleted like /tmp
1309[13:40:39] <gedia> rant: I thought of that too, but it didn't seem very elegant :-)
1310[13:41:20] <rant> gedia: yeah well if you want elegant you are trying to do the wrong thing more than likely.. heh.. and need to backup a few steps to what led you down this road :P
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1315[13:45:09] <gedia> rant: sounds about right :)
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1330[13:52:18] <rant> gedia: just as long as you didn't try to divert it to /dev/null... that would be very destructive :P
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1364[14:18:49] <NetTerminalGene> how can i prevent debian to install updates automatically?
1365[14:19:04] <apollo13> I am not aware that it does
1366[14:19:12] <NetTerminalGene> it does
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1368[14:19:16] <colo-work> "Debian", at least in the default installation, won't do that
1369[14:19:18] <apollo13> then you configured it to do
1370[14:19:19] <apollo13> so
1371[14:19:41] <NetTerminalGene> maybe i choose it when installing?
1372[14:19:42] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: is unattended-upgrades package installed
1373[14:19:50] <NetTerminalGene> let me see
1374[14:20:10] <NetTerminalGene> jelly yeah
1375[14:20:27] <NetTerminalGene> should i remove it?
1376[14:20:32] <jelly> see if you can remove it without that affecting any other package, apt-get -s remove ...
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1378[14:20:57] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, what "-s" stands for?
1379[14:21:49] <jelly> dry run
1380[14:22:05] <NetTerminalGene> it actually didn't remove any package?
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1382[14:22:14] <NetTerminalGene> don't*
1383[14:22:28] <jelly> (also, rtfm: -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act)
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1390[14:23:46] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: correct.
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1403[14:33:46] <James1138> General question about Debian stretch. Kodi 18 just came out Jan 28th. Will it be available for Debian as it is now available for Ubuntu?
1404[14:35:19] <jelly> James1138: no, not from any debian.org official repo it won't be
1405[14:36:03] <James1138> ok... just wondering. Thanks
1406[14:36:15] <jelly> someone else might make builds compatible with Debian 9. Or it might end up in stretch-backports IF it appears in dbian testing branch in time.
1407[14:36:44] <jelly> but debian does not add new upstream versions of sotfware to an existing release
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1409[14:36:50] <JustASlacker> how can I check again where I find a library
1410[14:36:55] <JustASlacker> Im looking for libjpeg.so.8
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1412[14:38:29] <James1138> libjpeg.so.8.... try this replaced-url
1413[14:38:42] <jelly> JustASlacker: that only used to exist back in Debian 7
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1421[14:46:00] <NetTerminalGene> James1138, kodi is on snap
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1440[14:59:33] <James1138> snap on debian??
1441[14:59:36] <JustASlacker> rite
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1443[15:00:37] <James1138> I did not think snap worked on Debian. That snap was ubuntu only?
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1445[15:01:35] <blackflow> it's cross platform, that's the whole point of it. flatpak too.
1446[15:02:22] <blackflow> the only problem with it is a slightly less desktop integration. I tried some snaps on debian and they failed to install the .desktop launcher
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1451[15:04:32] <James1138> How does one install snap? Use synaptic?
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1462[15:06:57] <nkuttler> James1138: sure
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1475[15:08:55] <blackflow> James1138: uh, if you mean how does one install the snapd service, yes, it's packaged regularly. after that you install snaps with teh `snap install` command, see the manpage for more options.
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1480[15:10:03] <blackflow> (it's snapd, not snap, btw, the package)
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1485[15:14:06] <James1138> ok
1486[15:14:14] <James1138> thanks
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1561[15:53:11] <lavalike> hello, I don't understand something: I did I search for go-1.11 on packages.debian.org and looked at the list of files for each of the amd64 debs, none seem to contain manpages, but 'apropos go' shows me go(1), go-packages(7), go-build(1), and so forth, why this desync? am I looking at all the actual packages here?
1562[15:53:16] <lavalike> replaced-url
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1564[15:53:28] <lavalike> (I'm on stretch and using stretch-backports)
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1566[15:54:03] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package go-1.11
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1568[15:54:40] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package golang-1.11
1569[15:55:19] <petn-randall> lavalike: I don't see such package: replaced-url
1570[15:55:37] <greycat> lavalike: what is the actual package name that you've actually got?
1571[15:55:40] <lavalike> my bad, golang-1.11
1572[15:55:55] <jmcnaught> it's in backports
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1574[15:56:03] <greycat> When you type "dpkg -l golang-1.11" does it give an ans.. oh. backports.
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1577[15:56:37] <greycat> OK, now that we have a package name...
1578[15:56:38] <Fox> lavalike: it's a metapackage
1579[15:56:40] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only golang doc
1580[15:56:42] <greycat> golang-1.7-doc - Go programming language - documentation
1581[15:56:45] <greycat> and so on
1582[15:57:03] <lavalike> greycat: right, it compares on the link I gave too, and in its list of files just has html, no man
1583[15:57:10] <greycat> Use the COMMAND i just gave.
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1585[15:57:29] <greycat> Since you have backport repositories that I do not have, you might get different answers.
1586[15:57:37] <jmcnaught> lavalike: does upstream provide manpages, or just HTML documentation?
1587[15:58:01] <Fox> lavalike: installing golang-1.11 will install golang-1.11-doc golang-1.11-go golang-1.11-src as dependcies
1588[15:58:02] <lavalike> greycat: LOTS of output!
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1591[15:58:21] <lavalike> greycat: replaced-url
1592[15:58:46] <greycat> I am not going to read it to you. Read it yourself and find the name of the -doc package that matches your package.
1593[15:58:46] <themill> ,file /usr/share/man/man1/go.1.gz --release stretch-backports
1594[15:58:47] <judd> Search for /usr/share/man/man1/go.1.gz in stretch-backports/amd64: gccgo-go: usr/share/man/man1/go.1.gz; golang-go: usr/share/man/man1/go.1.gz
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1596[15:58:58] <themill> (from memory packages.d.o updating is a bit busted)
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1598[16:00:03] <lavalike> themill: is that saying that gccgo-go is the only, or the first, package providing a manpage for go(1)
1599[16:00:20] <themill> neither
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1601[16:00:36] <lavalike> oh you're right it lists 2 packages
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1603[16:01:44] <lavalike> on a higher level how could it be that apropos returns a list of man pages, and man can't access them, at the same time?
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1605[16:03:25] <themill> is it a dangling symlink that is waiting for something else to be installed?
1606[16:03:43] <lavalike> I don't know how to check that
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1608[16:04:07] <greycat> ls -l
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1618[16:06:42] <lavalike> ok /usr/share/man/man1/go.1.gz is not a symlink
1619[16:06:44] <rocketmagnet> hi all
1620[16:07:01] <EdePopede> the color is the only difference for dangling or not, or is there something else?
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1622[16:07:41] <rocketmagnet> i've buyed a wii-lan usb stick but i'm missing the pannel on the top bar that shows me the available connections and so on, how is this tool called and how to bring it into one of my pannels ? (i'm using etch)
1623[16:07:49] <rocketmagnet> we-lan
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1625[16:09:22] <rant> rocketmagnet: which Desktop Environment are you using?
1626[16:09:51] <rocketmagnet> mate
1627[16:10:18] <rant> rocketmagnet: dpkg -l network-manager-gnome
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1629[16:10:49] <rant> rocketmagnet: do you have a notification area applet on your panel, that shows sound, battery, etc
1630[16:11:07] <rocketmagnet> network-manager-gnome
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1633[16:11:42] <rant> rocketmagnet: yes, is that package installed?
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1636[16:11:55] <lavalike> well thanks for trying to help! have a great day
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1640[16:13:18] <rocketmagnet> he can't find it
1641[16:13:23] <rocketmagnet> yes
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1644[16:14:18] <rocketmagnet> network-manager-gnome
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1647[16:15:25] <rant> rocketmagnet: it is installed? dpkg -l network-manager-gnome shows something like ii network-manager-gnome 1.4.4-1+deb9u1 amd64 network management framework (GNOME frontend) ?
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1658[16:24:12] <DammitJim> do you guys know why my ssh connection to a debian server is faster inside my network vs outside?
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1663[16:25:18] <rant> DammitJim: well.. thats such a silly question I can't answer it other than to say maybe you should look into mosh
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1667[16:26:24] <DammitJim> what is mosh?
1668[16:26:43] <xand> because your LAN is faster than your WAN
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1673[16:28:18] <l1nuxg33k> !mosh
1674[16:28:19] <dpkg> it has been said that mosh is a tool used to connect from a client computer to a server over the Internet, to run a remote terminal. Mosh is similar to SSH, with additional features meant to improve usability for mobile users
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1681[16:30:18] <rant> DammitJim: mosh enhances your ssh connection allowing for latency by doing things such as echoing chars to the screen before they are echoed back from the server, runs over udp so it can handle minutes or even hours of no packets recieved and remain alive.. etc
1682[16:30:39] <DammitJim> oh
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1684[16:30:57] <blackflow> and roaming, most importantly
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1686[16:31:41] <rant> I hadn't tested that
1687[16:31:48] <DammitJim> interesting concept
1688[16:32:18] <rant> I use it exclusively now the only time I use ssh anymore is to get in and kill mosh-server so I can reconnect
1689[16:32:31] <rant> seems you can only have one mosh instance
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1693[16:33:39] <rant> if I were say to mosh from this machine and put it into suspend I couldn't go mosh from another machine to that same server without killing the mosh that is still running waiting for that other connection to resume
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1695[16:34:40] <rant> blackflow: so you're saying I could hop networks while connected to mosh?
1696[16:34:59] * rant has never done that before
1697[16:35:00] <blackflow> afaik yes. I never tested it myself either, but I know it's a big feature of it
1698[16:35:19] <petn-randall> rant: Yes, a mosh session doesn't die when the TCP connection dies. (this happens with SSH)
1699[16:35:31] <petn-randall> Although I've heard SSH supports session resumption now.
1700[16:35:38] <blackflow> it's not tcp tho
1701[16:35:42] <a__pi> the connection is over udp
1702[16:35:47] <rant> I know it doesnt I just dont understand how it could follow me when my IP changes and such
1703[16:35:48] <blackflow> can't roam with tcp, or have infinite keepalive
1704[16:35:56] <a__pi> one uses ssh to exchange keys
1705[16:36:03] <a__pi> only*
1706[16:36:16] <blackflow> rant: because it doesn't use tcp, and thus there are no sessions at that OSI layer, only up in the ssh proto itself
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1709[16:37:33] <rant> hmm..
1710[16:38:25] <blackflow> I meanit's not difficult to sign udp packet contents in a strong crypto fashion, you only have to deal with integrity at the app level (packet reordering, repeating packets, ...)
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1712[16:38:36] <blackflow> "only" -- I'm sure it's not trivial.
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1714[16:39:48] <rant> yeah I get that the UDP connection stays alive.. I've observed that.. I just dont get how it routes correctly when the client relocates.. but I suppose the client knows where the server is and since that remains the same, it is able to contact the server again from the new location
1715[16:40:34] <rant> especially like right now I'm inside and accessing the server via its local ip not its internet ip
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1717[16:40:52] <jhutchins_wk> For some reason exim is refusing mail from fetchmail as of Friday or so. Don't think I did anything.
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1719[16:41:19] <blackflow> rant: of course, the server can't roam, or else you have VPN and need a third party (that then can't roam itself) to sync
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1726[16:45:34] <yuriii> Hello! I have a bogus checksum in db/checksums.db in my repo. Is there a tool to list/edit/remove checksums for a debian repo?
1727[16:47:06] <yuriii> I'm getting "Already existing files can only be included again, if they are the same" error from reprepo.
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1800[17:21:41] <deadrom> hi
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1811[17:26:04] <deadrom> I have a deb8 machine that after logging th euser in should launch a command once wicd connected to wifi. it loops a ping -c1 -i1 until ping succeeds or quit after 60sec. now, auth.log is *full* of "pam_unix session opened/closed) messages, but not by the second, but more like 30 times a second. actually it depleted the /var partition eventually before logrotate could archive it.
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1813[17:26:17] <deadrom> now - will -i1 have an effect in a loop anyway?
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1819[17:28:12] <jelly> deadrom: how precisely do you implement "after logging the user in"?
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1821[17:29:47] <Spec> Retr0id_: nice find :)
1822[17:30:05] <jelly> deadrom: wild guess: maybe your ping command fails immediately and you do not have a separate sleep in the loop
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1825[17:31:12] <jelly> deadrom: so it runs pings as fast as the language/shell allows
1826[17:31:37] <deadrom> jelly: it's run from openbox autostart at boot time, script has an until loop. until <ping -c -i1 succeeds> do: ; done
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1828[17:31:54] <jelly> deadrom: replace that : with a sleep 1
1829[17:32:13] <greycat> Are you using something like "su someuser -c 'ping stuff'"? If so, don't do that. su invokes PAM and spams your logs as you have seen.
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1834[17:32:55] <jelly> deadrom: which language has an until loop?
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1836[17:32:59] <greycat> bash
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1838[17:33:17] <deadrom> greycat: I do indeed. it's ok if it only does it once a second, but jelly is right, the loop makes the -i1 void
1839[17:33:19] <jelly> TIL
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1841[17:33:34] <greycat> It looks like he typed out an approximation of a bash script up above, but he mangled the syntax. Gods only know what else he left out.
1842[17:33:36] <jelly> it's not the loop that makes it void.
1843[17:33:37] <deadrom> jelly: plain old bash
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1845[17:34:10] <greycat> deadrom: don't use su to drop privileges in scripts. It was the right move in 1995. It's not any more. They changed it.
1846[17:34:10] <jelly> but "if !" is one character shorter than "until"
1847[17:34:29] <deadrom> jelly: what is then?
1848[17:34:37] <greycat> Look for simpler tools that do the job *properly*. If you use runit or daemontools, those have tools. If not, you can install setpriv or something.
1849[17:34:55] <greycat> jelly: "while !"
1850[17:34:57] <jelly> deadrom: your ping dies quickly, and you have an infinite loop without any delay added.
1851[17:35:08] <jelly> greycat: oh right
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1856[17:36:23] <greycat> (adding a sleep is also a good idea, but replacing su with setpriv or an equivalent is important too)
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1858[17:36:50] <deadrom> ok, sound advice, thanks.
1859[17:36:55] <Deihmos> is there a command to list connected users?
1860[17:37:09] <jelly> maybe no route or no interface exists at all
1861[17:37:09] <greycat> for the dead simple case of interactive logins, "who"
1862[17:37:11] <deadrom> Deihmos: who
1863[17:37:21] <greycat> otherwise, define what you mean by "connected"
1864[17:37:30] <jelly> ping -c1 -i1 -Inonexistentiface 192.168.1.1 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.012 total # ping does not wait a second when there's no relevant interface
1865[17:37:31] <Deihmos> i am logged on some other computer remotely and i need to disconnect it
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1867[17:38:10] <jelly> Deihmos: disconnect what, your current session, or some other session?
1868[17:38:13] <Deihmos> server says there are 2 users. meaning 2 users connected via ssh
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1870[17:38:29] <Deihmos> i probably didn't shut down a pc and left ssh running.
1871[17:38:46] <Deihmos> disconnect the session
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1874[17:39:15] <Deihmos> ok looks like there is an ssh command
1875[17:39:54] <jelly> Deihmos: kill the shell started by the other sshd with a HUP signal. It ought to die.
1876[17:39:55] <rant> Deihmos: is it by chance running a screen session?
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1884[17:41:19] <rant> screen -RD will not only reclaim a screen session but kill the shell that had it attached :D
1885[17:41:31] <jelly> Deihmos: use "w" or "who" to see which ttys are used for interactive logins. Use "tty" to find out which is the tty used by your current session, so you don't kill that one. Use ps or pstree or whatever to find processes running on other tty devices.
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1889[17:42:30] <jelly> Deihmos: or if you don't want to bother, you can kill all your processes with the ugly but effective "kill -9 -1"
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1891[17:43:20] <greycat> That is strongly discouraged.
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1893[17:43:38] <jelly> it's a kind of a last resort command
1894[17:43:39] <Spec> wow, i never knew that
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1896[17:43:47] <Deihmos> didn't know about w. learn something new every day. i know which of he connection to kill now to figure out how to do it
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1898[17:44:09] <jelly> Spec: don't run it as root!
1899[17:44:12] <Deihmos> did the kill
1900[17:44:36] <jelly> Spec: (or do if you have nothing to lose and a VM you can experiment in!)
1901[17:44:57] <Spec> jelly: :P
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1903[17:45:25] <Deihmos> how do you guys remember all of these commands
1904[17:45:27] <Deihmos> so many
1905[17:45:42] <jelly> that was like three commands.
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1907[17:45:50] <jelly> w, tty, and ps
1908[17:45:54] <jelly> and kill. So four.
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1910[17:46:10] <rant> remember to use screen and you wouldnt have had to know any of em :P
1911[17:47:21] <jelly> and three concepts, 1) being logged in (with an interactive shell) which you already know of 2) what ttys are 3) some process management
1912[17:47:23] <Spec> screen is best
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1914[17:47:46] <rant> yes a screen -RD would've killed the inactive ssh session when you reattached it
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1916[17:48:07] <jelly> I would recommend against screen or tmux until you get a hang of tty / terminals
1917[17:48:30] <Deihmos> smbd uses so much cpu constantly when there is no one accessing smb
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1924[17:50:25] <jelly> Deihmos: look at its logs. It's possible someone is constantly trying to connect with wrong credentials or similar
1925[17:50:51] <jelly> something is weird with a service? Look at logs.
1926[17:50:59] <Deihmos> i am the only one
1927[17:51:08] <Deihmos> not accessing it
1928[17:51:16] <tw> Can I hint the native display resolution to qemu-system?
1929[17:51:24] <jelly> it's only me and the cryptolocker on my windows machine that I do not know about yet!
1930[17:51:33] <tw> or better, set the default res as an argument.
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1937[17:53:53] <jelly> Deihmos: what do the logs say?
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1946[17:55:09] <tw> This is what I'm doing. What I'd like is to indicate to the qemu display driver that the native resolution is 1080p.
1947[17:55:22] <tw> replaced-url
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1949[17:55:51] <Deihmos> trying to get the log. /var/log/samba
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1965[18:00:32] <smrtz> So I'm setting up an internal apt repo for work. I tried using reprepro, but I need to keep old versions of packages. I also tried using freight, but it seems to randomly remove packages when I add new ones... Can anyone recommend another automation tool before I just script it?
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1967[18:01:58] <rant> smrtz: replaced-url
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1969[18:02:27] <smrtz> Perfect, I don't know how I missed that. THanks!
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1972[18:03:21] <rant> smrtz: :D has a list and explaination of many many tools
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1974[18:04:25] <smrtz> Looks like dak is what I want.
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1981[18:05:13] <smrtz> mini-dak*
1982[18:05:15] <rant> you would know better than I.. all I can do is lead a debian user to a list of repository tools.. heh
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1985[18:06:28] <smrtz> Wait, no, "Several versions of each package: ?? "
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1987[18:07:07] <jelly> tthat will require a custom Packages file builder that isn't dpkg-scanpackages
1988[18:07:57] <smrtz> Oh, alright.
1989[18:08:09] <rant> smrtz: mini-dinstall says its like a small dak and it says it supports multiple versions
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1991[18:08:48] <smrtz> But I don't have a .changes file, rant
1992[18:09:25] * rant shrugs
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1995[18:10:29] <Deihmos> is there a command to see the samba logs?
1996[18:10:29] <smrtz> I'm going to try aptly now, and then I'll take a look at just scripting something myself so I can avoid dpkg-scanpackages
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1999[18:11:12] <rant> Deihmos: less /var/log/smbd.log ?
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2018[18:19:59] <Deihmos> for some reason can't access that folder from scp
2019[18:20:13] <Deihmos> opening with nano
2020[18:22:24] <jhutchins_wk> Deihmos: Many logs aren't readable by ordinary users.
2021[18:22:26] <rocketmagnet> i've intalleld the package network-manager-gnome but i can't start network-manager-gnome =(
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2023[18:22:33] <jelly> Deihmos: use "less" to view text files.
2024[18:22:41] <Deihmos> normally i can at least open the folder
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2026[18:22:52] <Deihmos> transfer the file to pc and open it there.
2027[18:22:57] <jelly> opening live or large logs with an editor can be unwise
2028[18:23:05] <bites> mine are in /var/log/samba/
2029[18:23:16] <Deihmos> just copies the file
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2034[18:26:01] <Deihmos> did you change the permission of that folder?
2035[18:26:45] <Deihmos> the samba folder group is adm while the other folders are group
2036[18:26:54] <Deihmos> should i change the group to root?
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2038[18:27:15] <bites> root:adm is normal.
2039[18:27:18] <Deihmos> the other folders group is root and i can open them
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2047[18:29:12] <jelly> Deihmos: add yourself to group adm to be able to read logs like those, log off and back on
2048[18:29:21] <jelly> adduser usnernamehere adm
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2075[18:36:36] <Deihmos> replaced-url
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2078[18:36:58] <Deihmos> i don't know what device is causing that
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2087[18:39:27] <Deihmos> not sure what device is causing that
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2093[18:40:32] <Deihmos> thanks. i know what it is
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2102[18:41:31] <ksk> Deihmos: I never used samba, but kind of looks like you defined a share in samba which does not exist on your filesystem?
2103[18:41:45] <Deihmos> nope
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2106[18:42:05] <ksk> "/var/lib/samba/usershares/movies" does exist?
2107[18:42:15] <Deihmos> i was using windows pc before
2108[18:42:22] <ksk> (and is a directory)
2109[18:42:34] <Deihmos> the pc that is trying to access it just need to update
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2111[18:43:00] <Deihmos> i have no share setup to that location. where is that coming from
2112[18:43:02] <jelly> egrep 'movies|usershares' /etc/samba/smb.conf
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2114[18:43:41] <Deihmos> i was able to access samba shares fine
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2133[18:48:29] <Deihmos> that's comign from windows pc. I had tv and movies shared when the server used windows.
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2136[18:49:14] <Deihmos> and i used the same pc name and workgroup when debian was setup
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2147[18:57:19] <r4co0n> Is replaced-url
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2151[18:57:57] <r4co0n> I wondered how much Debian has grown, but apart from the unstable statistics, this page seems broken.
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2156[19:00:11] <jelly> r4co0n: the graph looks about right
2157[19:00:45] <Deihmos> problem solved
2158[19:00:58] <r4co0n> jelly, so no packages have entered testing since 2017-01-01 ?
2159[19:01:16] <jelly> oh, there's no step when stretch became stable, right
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2166[19:01:59] <jhutchins_wk> Deihmos: What was it?
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2168[19:02:05] <jelly> r4co0n: actually no new source packages entered stretch since then
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2170[19:02:30] <jelly> but stable switched and testing swtched when stretch was released
2171[19:02:38] <Deihmos> it was one of the computers trying to access files
2172[19:02:38] <r4co0n> Interesting, I wouldn't have expected that.
2173[19:02:46] <jelly> !freeze
2174[19:02:46] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
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2176[19:02:52] <Deihmos> i may remove samba though. not much use for it
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2179[19:03:10] <Deihmos> how does linux share between linux comouters?
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2181[19:03:46] <jelly> r4co0n: so from freeze time onward, for the whole duration of a release, you have about the same number of source packages
2182[19:03:54] <r4co0n> jelly, but testing seems frozen in this graph since 2017-01-01, but is wasn't until late 2018.
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2184[19:04:31] <r4co0n> jelly, the behaviour of testing in this graph is different for each release before stretch.
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2186[19:04:59] <ksk> Deihmos: it does not. stacks like LXD have tools that copy fromCT-toHN-toCT - since its namespaced and stuff there really is no way to make a direct transfer (apart from using ssh/networking and the likes..)
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2188[19:05:33] <jelly> r4co0n: there should be a step when "stable" switched from jessie to stretch, and a new color when testing switched to buster
2189[19:05:40] <ksk> you could run serveral containers in the same namespaces and copy stuff across from HN - but who wants that..
2190[19:06:10] <r4co0n> jelly, Alright, so the display is broken.
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2192[19:06:37] <Deihmos> smbd uses a lot of resources
2193[19:06:45] <jelly> r4co0n: just the first graph is, other seem fine
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2197[19:07:24] <r4co0n> jelly, I don't doubt the other graphs :) Thanks for your help.
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2203[19:09:10] <r4co0n> jelly, I take that back. I think the last one reflects the same error reversed.
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2214[19:17:12] <jelly> r4co0n: git log is very educational replaced-url
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2220[19:20:28] <jelly> r4co0n: thank you, reported to parties responsible
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2226[19:22:17] <r4co0n> jelly, I think you found the culprit, nice work!
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2248[19:30:37] <Deihmos> if i wanted to see what consumed resources over a period is that possible with any of the apps?
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2250[19:30:57] <jhutchins_wk> Deihmos: atop
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2253[19:31:50] <jhutchins_wk> Deihmos: Logging is critical in samba, having it set to a high level will be a severe performance hit, so you want to set it fairly low by default and only turn it up for troubleshootiing.
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2268[19:44:52] <oo_miguel> any suggestions how to create a simple web-contact-from without installing apache and php etc?
2269[19:45:45] <oo_miguel> right now I have just nginx serving simple static html pages
2270[19:46:12] <Deihmos> jhutchins_wk: it is set to 0 in conf file
2271[19:46:21] <Deihmos> By default
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2274[19:46:51] <Deihmos> It doesn’t seem to be logging much. All it logged were those errors and that was from a few hours ago
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2280[19:52:43] <jordanm> oo_miguel: outsource it. i'm sure there are services for that
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2282[19:52:54] <oo_miguel> jordanm: hmm I do not like this approach
2283[19:52:57] <Deihmos> I realize the server consumes more energy than what it did with a full windows 10 install
2284[19:53:04] <oo_miguel> jordanm: I want to have it all under my sole control
2285[19:53:50] <jordanm> then you will need something that dynamically execute since you can't send emails from the client side
2286[19:54:01] <jordanm> or just replace the form with a mailto link
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2288[19:54:09] <oo_miguel> jordanm: and yeah you are absolutely right. Just saw a few services that offer this.
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2290[19:54:43] <oo_miguel> jordanm: wondered If I could simply extract the post requests from nginx log files or something
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2296[19:55:55] <oo_miguel> jordanm: ah and I do not need to send emails. Just want to save the data entered into a from.
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2298[19:57:36] <PaddyF> when an aging tool (conglomerate) needs gtk2 libraries, is there still hope?
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2303[20:00:38] <ksk> oo_miguel: that is possible (see nginx it "save the temp file" option somewhere, dont really know how it was called though )
2304[20:01:03] <ksk> you would then need another softwarestack to somehow work with this tempfile and put data it is containing into a db or something like that
2305[20:01:12] <ksk> and then you could have just installed php in the first place ;)
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2313[20:02:16] <ksk> I once created a file-upload-form with nginx and uwsgi/python - the python part was just for renaming the file and putting it to the directory I wanted.. but you dont really win anything by using this approach
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2316[20:02:46] <oo_miguel> ksk: oh nice. thank you.
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2318[20:03:14] <oo_miguel> I will send the data by other means. without php or apache
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2323[20:06:28] <ksk> oo_miguel: should be this directive here: replaced-url
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2327[20:08:42] <oo_miguel> ksk: perfect. ill try it!
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2333[20:11:10] <PinkBellyNagger> syslog is reporting some hard disks in my mdadm raid5 are over 100c
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2351[20:17:11] <bolt> PinkBellyNagger: I suggest you take care of that...
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2355[20:20:39] <PinkBellyNagger> It's a bug in debian
2356[20:20:46] <PinkBellyNagger> probably systemd
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2412[20:57:46] <jhutchins_wk> PinkBellyNagger: More likely an error in the sensor configuration.
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2425[21:11:07] <NeilHanlon> Hi all.. Not sure if this is a debian question or an xorg one.. Updated BIOS to 4.9.0-8-amd64 and Xserver refuses to start on boot... Had to revert to 4.9.0-7 to get back in. replaced-url
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2471[21:31:13] <jsubl2> i have the nvidia with switchable graphics. can i just install nvidia and not worry about switching
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2491[21:42:28] <Everspace> I'm using a docker container based on jessie, and I'm trying to use -J(ump) on ssh but it is missing. I've recently updated/upgraded but I'm still missing the -J switch which seems like it should be there. Am I missing something? Is it just a different distribution thing or package?
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2496[21:46:23] <jmcnaught> Everspace: that feature was probably added to openssh after jessie was released
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2498[21:46:58] <Everspace> Yea, I'm having a go at trying the image with stretch instead. (I have no idea why it was pinned to jessie)
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2509[21:55:29] <Everspace> jmcnaught: yea it's there in stretch
2510[21:55:32] <Everspace> thanks
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2544[22:19:26] <ut> Is there a good way, short of upgrading to a newer version of Debian, to get aptitude to put a specific version of python3-virtualenv on my system? (I'm trying to get certbot-auto to work, and it's got some hard requirement in a python package on virtualenv 12.0.something, apparently)
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2546[22:20:48] <greycat> Sounds horrible. I just use the shell-based dehydrated package on my wheezy system to do the LE thing, instead of all this python nonsense.
2547[22:20:59] <blackflow> +1 for dehydrated
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2551[22:21:34] <blackflow> meanwhile, not sure why a python package would have a hard dep on virtualenv. can you give exact example of what requires what?
2552[22:21:42] <greycat> (to be fair, it's a backported version from jessie, I think, not an actual wheezy package)
2553[22:21:46] <DammitJim> how can I tell if a process is waiting on IO?
2554[22:21:59] <DammitJim> I can see the CPU is 800% used on top
2555[22:22:13] <DammitJim> is it the wa?
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2557[22:22:45] <somiaj> DammitJim: replaced-url
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2563[22:25:08] <ut> blackflow: pkg_resources.VersionConflict: (virtualenv 1.11.6 (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages), Requirement.parse('virtualenv==12.0.7'))
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2570[22:25:39] <ut> If I scroll up, I don't see it printing anything about what it's actually doing
2571[22:25:55] <blackflow> ut: what throws that error?
2572[22:26:07] <ut> certbot-auto itself, tries to bootstrap some dependencies.
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2574[22:26:42] <greycat> ,file certbot-auto
2575[22:26:46] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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2577[22:27:28] <ut> I'll probably just resort to the "dehydrated" script mentioned above. this seems like a lot of pain.
2578[22:27:48] <digdilem> DammitJim, htop will show the iowait nicely (setup -> show detailed cpu info)
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2580[22:28:24] <ut> already had to manually install ... I think libssl-dev from backports because certbot-auto was choking on it requiring an older version of libssl than I've got installed.
2581[22:28:31] <blackflow> ut: not sure what you can do if the requirement is from _outside_ of virtualenv. reason I hate these kitchen-sink packages that try to do so many things themselves.
2582[22:28:47] <ut> blackflow: yeah, I was cringing as I downloaded it.
2583[22:28:48] <blackflow> ut: dehydrated is very simple, but you have to write your own hook script. which is dead simple :)
2584[22:29:57] <blackflow> ut: certbot is a pypi package too. maybe you can pip it into a virtualenv, maybe if it recognizes it's being run inside one, it doesn't try those shenanigans
2585[22:30:14] <ut> blackflow: that sounds interesting. I'll try that.
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2587[22:30:30] <blackflow> make sure you pip upgrade pip first thing in the venv
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2590[22:32:12] <SerajewelKS> ut: can't you just install certbot from debian?
2591[22:33:15] <ut> SerajewelKS: no... it's really old and they're dropping support for some proof-of-domain-ownership method they were using previously for security reasons
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2593[22:33:54] <SerajewelKS> ut: i've seen that they're dropping support for that and i also don't know anyone who even uses that method
2594[22:34:00] <blackflow> ut: the SNI thing?
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2596[22:34:20] <SerajewelKS> it may be "really old" but it works just fine on our production servers
2597[22:34:21] <SerajewelKS> !sns
2598[22:34:22] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2601[22:34:53] <blackflow> yeah just use regular http (via port 80) validation.
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2604[22:35:18] <ut> Ah, I may have gotten the wrong idea in the first place, then.
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2606[22:35:32] <SerajewelKS> i don't even see the point of validating over TLS
2607[22:35:38] <SerajewelKS> nothing secret is even being exchanged
2608[22:35:44] <blackflow> yeah I mean you're trying to get a TLS cert in the _First_ place
2609[22:36:20] * ut never bothered learning how certbot works, just got a cert and stuck it in the place and configured the thing.
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2611[22:36:29] <blackflow> tsk tsk tsk :)
2612[22:36:39] <SerajewelKS> yep then you aren't using the method they are removing
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2618[22:37:50] <ut> apparently I have been using ACME TLS-SNI-01.
2619[22:37:51] <leopard> with nftables, when I run "nft -f test.nft", are those rules now in force? or do I need to save to nftables.conf and restart the service for the changes to take effect
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2621[22:38:09] <SerajewelKS> ut: how do you figure?
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2623[22:38:29] <ut> This email is telling me that I did.
2624[22:38:40] <SerajewelKS> i got the same email and we are not using that method
2625[22:38:53] <ut> that explains it, then.
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2628[22:39:56] <SerajewelKS> at any rate, i plan to run some renewals manually after the remove support for that method, and make sure everything is working
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2637[22:42:35] <ut> yeah, the cutoff date isn't until mid-February. and all the web pages say that you should be on certbot 0.28 or newer... this is just a little personal hobby VM though, won't kill me if there's a little downtime.
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2639[22:42:52] <ut> or, mid-march, even
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2642[22:43:01] <SerajewelKS> i'd assume if this severly breaks certbot in debian, we can file a bug against it
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2644[22:43:08] <SerajewelKS> ,v certbot
2645[22:43:09] <judd> Package: certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.10.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.10.2-1; stretch-backports: 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.28.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 0.28.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 0.28.0-1; sid: 0.28.0-1
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2647[22:43:26] <SerajewelKS> ut: ^ stretch-backports has 0.28
2648[22:43:29] <SerajewelKS> !backports
2649[22:43:30] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2650[22:43:57] <greycat> can't help observing it's also in stretch-proposed-updates
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2653[22:44:06] <SerajewelKS> ah, so it is
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2655[22:44:40] <SerajewelKS> oh it's even in stretch-updates
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2658[22:45:24] <greycat> Ah. Hard to read all those numbers and names thrown in a heap like that.
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2660[22:45:28] <SerajewelKS> indeed
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2662[22:45:44] <SerajewelKS> ut: it's in stretch-updates now which means you should just get 0.28 next time you update
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2664[22:46:34] <SerajewelKS> ut: this must have happened in the last few days because i just ran updates on my server, and i see it wants to update certbot to 0.28. so a simple "apt update" followed by "apt install certbot" (if you don't have it) or "apt upgrade" (if you do have it) should get you 0.28
2665[22:47:03] <ut> SerajewelKS: I'm back on jessie still.
2666[22:47:15] <SerajewelKS> ah
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2669[22:47:33] <SerajewelKS> then a manual backport from stretch _might_ work
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2672[22:48:26] <SerajewelKS> !simple sid backport
2673[22:48:26] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2674[22:48:31] <greycat> ,checkbackport certbot --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
2675[22:48:32] <judd> Backporting package certbot in stretch→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
2676[22:48:43] <SerajewelKS> ^ basically that but use stretch as the source instead of sid
2677[22:48:57] <SerajewelKS> greycat: TIL about that command... is there an on-system equivalent?
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2680[22:49:29] <greycat> not that I know
2681[22:49:44] <Kyros> why does rebooting my router remove my static routes?
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2684[22:50:17] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: static routes on the router itself?
2685[22:50:22] <greycat> because you forgot to write code or config to recreate them every time you boot?
2686[22:50:27] <ut> that's a cool command.
2687[22:50:30] <SerajewelKS> is the router debian?
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2690[22:51:07] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: no, ones i added to /etc/network/interfaces with up ip route add ...
2691[22:51:19] * ut is _pretty sure_ he's been using http-01 all along and the email is wrong
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2693[22:51:38] <SerajewelKS> ut: i had exactly the same thought when reading it
2694[22:51:51] <SerajewelKS> i had about five minutes of "oh shit" panic and then "wait.... something's fucky..."
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2696[22:52:26] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: this is all so vague
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2698[22:52:36] <Kyros> uh ok
2699[22:52:38] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: when you reboot your router, your debian machine loses static routes?
2700[22:52:42] <Kyros> yes
2701[22:52:47] <jmcnaught> certbot 0.28.0-1 is not in stretch but stretch-updates
2702[22:52:51] <SerajewelKS> does the same thing happen if you unplug and replug the network cable?
2703[22:53:07] <Kyros> let me check
2704[22:53:08] <SerajewelKS> jmcnaught: that's exactly what we said
2705[22:53:22] <greycat> oh, so judd might not have been checking the right thing when I did that
2706[22:53:32] <greycat> ,checkbackport certbot --fromrelease stretch-updates --torelease jessie
2707[22:53:36] <SerajewelKS> oh i see what you mean
2708[22:53:51] <judd> Backporting package certbot in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11~), python3-acme (>= 0.26.0~), python3-josepy, python3-parsedatetime (>= 1.3), python3-repoze.sphinx.autointerface, python3-sphinx (>= 1.6).
2709[22:53:56] <greycat> Yeeah.
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2711[22:54:00] <SerajewelKS> damn
2712[22:54:04] <ut> aww.
2713[22:54:12] <greycat> Did we mention dehydrated? :)
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2715[22:54:15] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: yes it removes them
2716[22:54:25] <ut> greycat: yeah, I've got a tab open. it's all news to me.
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2719[22:54:49] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: when you unplug the cable, does the interface state change to DOWN, or does it appear to deconfigure in any other way? do the routes get lost when you unplug? does the IP get lost?
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2722[22:55:38] <SerajewelKS> do you have networkmanager or wicd running?
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2724[22:56:49] <blackflow> holy cow, repoze! halfa zope just to issue a cert!
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2727[22:57:47] <SerajewelKS> if they're gonna have so many dependencies and require updated crap i wish they'd just write it in golang instead of python
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2729[22:57:55] <SerajewelKS> so we can statically build it and be done
2730[22:58:11] * ut chuckles about padleft again
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2732[22:58:17] <blackflow> or.... I'm gonna quote greycat. "Did we mention dehydrated?" :)
2733[22:58:23] <SerajewelKS> ut: that was node/npm, not python
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2737[22:58:34] <ut> SerajewelKS: same pattern though, I think
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2739[22:58:49] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: im going to have to go sit down at that machine, ill brb
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2741[22:59:00] <SerajewelKS> npm modules as a rule don't require specific versions of node
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2743[22:59:08] <blackflow> the zope dependency is ridiculous! that's an megaframework of epic proportions. why on _earth_ does it need zope.
2744[22:59:18] <blackflow> (even components of it!)
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2753[23:02:35] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: ok so if i unplug the cable the interface stays up but it loses its ip and removes all routes then when i plug it back in it gets the ip but no routes
2754[23:02:48] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: sounds like you're using networkmanager
2755[23:02:49] <Kyros> its configured with a static ip also
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2757[23:03:12] <Kyros> im not
2758[23:03:18] <SerajewelKS> that's the only kind of service i know of on debian that even cares if a cable is plugged...
2759[23:03:45] <SerajewelKS> unless systemd is up to some shit again
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2761[23:03:52] <Kyros> maybe
2762[23:03:53] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: ps ax | grep -i network
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2764[23:04:01] <Kyros> there is no gui running on this machine
2765[23:04:17] <SerajewelKS> networkmanager doesn't need a gui to run
2766[23:04:22] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: its not running
2767[23:04:27] <SerajewelKS> hmm
2768[23:04:49] <SerajewelKS> i've no idea why an interface would deconfigure on unplug without some service like that
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2771[23:06:05] <SerajewelKS> further, whatever is bringing it back up clearly doesn't care about /etc/network/interfaces (or hasn't reloaded it) or the routes would be there
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2776[23:10:50] <Kyros> oh i think i know what the issue is
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2784[23:13:19] <Kyros> this machine runs dns/dhcp for the network
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2797[23:19:21] <Kyros> yes dhcp seems to be messing with the routing table
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2818[23:31:43] <Kyros> SerajewelKS: thanks, i got it all sorted out
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2829[23:35:46] <SerajewelKS> Kyros: nice
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2857[23:49:28] <jhutchins> That's odd. I think I did an update on Sunday, and suddenly fetchmail is trying to reach SMTP on localhost over ipv6, which exim wasn't configured to listen to.
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2859[23:50:12] <Kyros> jhutchins: i had the same issue and just disabled it trying to bind to :::1
2860[23:50:23] <jhutchins> ::1?
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2862[23:50:35] <jhutchins> Kyros: What did you reconfigure?
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2866[23:51:03] <Kyros> i changed this file /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
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2869[23:52:16] <jhutchins> Hm. I added ::1 to dc_localhost (I think that's the key.
2870[23:52:28] <Kyros> maybe so, i have ipv6 disabled
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2872[23:52:53] <jhutchins> I wonder what changed?
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2874[23:53:04] <Kyros> im paranoid about ipv6 leaking info around my vpn
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2877[23:54:50] <rwp> jhutchins, Maybe on the fetchmail side most likely. If you (like me) normally live on a network without IPv6 then it will use IPv4. Then if you try to run it from elsewhere where IPv6 actually works then it will default to IPv6.
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2879[23:55:18] <rwp> So something maybe caused IPv6 to start to be available for fetchmail. That would be my guess.
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2881[23:56:18] <Dagger> there haven't been any updates to fetchmail in a while though
2882[23:56:59] <rwp> Even though I am a big proponent of IPv6 everywhere I still use only IPv4 for SMTP. Because DNSBLs only work for IPv4 so far. We really haven't figured out the DNSBL issue for IPv6 yet. So IPv4 is the reliable protocol for SMTP even so far today.
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2884[23:57:38] <rwp> Probably not fetchmail itself. But the environment around it. Could be any of /etc/hosts, /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/gai.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, named (bind9) or anything in the general area.
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2888[23:58:29] <rwp> I do enjoy having 'etckeeper' installed. Looking there to see what has changed in /etc recently is helpful. But not necessarily conclusive.
2889[23:58:38] <Dagger> I'd be surprised to see updates to hosts, nsswitch.conf or gai.conf from a Debian package update
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2891[23:58:49] <Dagger> the others maybe, but localhost should be resolved entirely through /etc/hosts
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2894[23:59:12] <rwp> For example my laptop at the house doesn't have a working IPv6. But if I take it to the coffee shop then IPv6 is fully functional, works, and the system programs prefer it.
2895[23:59:55] <rwp> Experiment: Try "getent hosts localhost" and see what address it returns.
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