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105[00:50:34] <masqueradepaul> debian ftw
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140[01:15:44] <exa_ways> is apt purge the best way to remove preinstalled stuff I do not need at all?
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143[01:17:18] <awal1> exa_ways: what you mean by "preinstalled"?
144[01:17:46] <tp43_> I am trying to use cordova. When I try .run I get error executing "google-chrome --user-data=/tmp/temp_chrome...", so I tried $alias google-chrome='chromium' but no lucj
145[01:18:05] <exa_ways> well debian comes with software like games and stuff
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147[01:18:51] <dvs> exa_ways, probably because you installed "Desktop Environment"
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152[01:19:54] <exa_ways> so there is a "plain debian" without all that?
153[01:20:15] <awal1> exa_ways: I guess you have chosen a specific metapackage for desktop (task-desktop-gnome/kde/xfce...) Try removing the pkgs you don't need
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155[01:20:36] <tp43_> exa_ways, netinstall doesn't comes clean
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157[01:20:49] <dvs> exa_ways, yes, you just have to deselect "Desktop Environment" during the install. The downside is that you will have to install an X environment afterwards.
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159[01:21:28] <awal1> tp43_: ^
160[01:21:39] <tp43_> awal1, true
161[01:22:04] <awal1> tp43_: not a fault of netinst image :P
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164[01:22:19] <exa_ways> well I stick with it for now. good to learn to know it. only wondering about that graphical packet manager that does not seem to remove stuff completely
165[01:22:52] <exa_ways> so was wondering if apt purge is the way to go
166[01:23:11] <dvs> exa_ways, yes, that sounds good to me.
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168[01:24:12] <exa_ways> ok thx
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171[01:25:16] <awal1> exa_ways: run dpkg -l > Installed-pkgs
172[01:27:15] <masqueradepaul> debian... best distro hands down :)
173[01:27:20] <awal1> exa_ways: then go your /home dir and find that file "Installed-pkgs". check what you want to remove with apt-get remove pkgname or apt-get purge pkgname and apt-get autoremove (but check closely apt-get messages
174[01:27:51] <awal1> apt-get prompts ^
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180[01:32:50] <exa_ways> awal1: ah nice! thats much better than using the apt list
181[01:34:15] <exa_ways> awal1: but whats the difference between apt purge and apt-get purge? :)
182[01:34:33] <awal1> exa_ways: well, apt list --installed is almost the same as dpkg -l
183[01:34:53] <unborn> is there anything like gnome software (alternative to synaptic for my mother)?
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187[01:35:21] <awal1> unborn: which DE?
188[01:35:35] <unborn> awal1: obviously gnome :)
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193[01:37:01] <awal1> unborn: apart gnome software and synaptic, I just know about "apper" (kde pkg management)
194[01:37:30] <awal1> but I guess you won't it, since it needs a bunch of kde stuff
195[01:37:35] <exa_ways> awal1: yes but that logfile is much more detailed :)
196[01:38:25] <dvs> well, there's always dselect
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198[01:38:35] <awal1> exa_ways: apt or apt-get or aptitude purge does same thing; check docs and manuals for detailed info
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200[01:38:53] <unborn> awal1: ah yeah.. well.. I dont see any packages like gnome software... all I could found is 'packages' which is kindly like synaptic but well.. you know..
201[01:39:49] <exa_ways> awal1: i will... much to learn now
202[01:39:58] <awal1> unborn: such as gnome software, so no as I know, apart synaptic and apper
203[01:40:27] <unborn> awal1: ah I see. thanks anyway
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205[01:42:07] <b6s3d> hello i can't install python-central
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207[01:42:45] <unborn> awal1: i found it in stretch.. :) so I guess after I update one day, she will have to wait, until then I will do ssh for her and install whatever she needs remotely
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210[01:43:26] <awal1> unborn: you found what?
211[01:44:04] <unborn> awal1: replaced-url
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213[01:45:04] <awal1> oh, ok
214[01:45:11] <awal1> ,v gnome-software
215[01:45:12] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- sid: 3.22.4-1; stretch: 3.22.4-1
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219[01:45:52] <exa_ways> this is a beatiful night. i tried several times to switch to linux in the past years cause i knew by heart it is the better choice. But lazyness always brought me back to osx the next day for my common enviroment. It never made zooom. But tonight I have fallen in love. There is no way back now.
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226[01:48:34] <Vizva> lol
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228[01:48:54] <bumbar_> merry christmas to all! i have an urgent question; when i type w / who, the ip is empty for some entry, how can this be?
229[01:48:56] <Vizva> i hope the linux want to marry you too - good luck ;)
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234[01:53:23] <unborn> exa_ways: been same back in time when I left windows xp lol and still primary on linux.
235[01:53:37] <exa_ways> hehe well right now it is the girlfriend only as it is still dualboot. but the difference is it is not an one night stand like the last times. I am already happy to see her again first thing tomorrow morning instead of the anoyingb old wife ;)
236[01:53:57] * unborn btw merry xmass all.. im off. later
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239[01:55:30] <dvs> bigamy!!!
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242[01:56:19] <exa_ways> yeah just for a short while to be safe gnihihi
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308[02:50:50] <efloid> does anyone know about running Ubunut LXD containers with Debian?
309[02:52:16] <awal1> ubunut lxd?
310[02:52:32] <efloid> or is lxc just as good as lxd?
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313[02:53:24] <efloid> just reading canonical hype about how much better their LXD is supposed to be: replaced-url
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316[02:54:13] <efloid> i guess its Xmas eve. no geeks around
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324[02:56:52] <newcoder> /bin/bash is deleted, how can I recover it again?
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326[02:58:42] <dvs> apt-get --reinstall install bash
327[02:58:44] <epsilon> reinstall bash
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329[03:01:24] <newcoder> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.postinst): No such file or directory
330[03:01:24] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, newcoder
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333[03:02:44] <newcoder> replaced-url
334[03:02:56] <efloid> does smartctl accept blkid arguments? seems odd that it only accepts device names like sda
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336[03:04:03] <efloid> newcoder: that's really serious.
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338[03:04:38] <efloid> newcoder: it should fall back to dash
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343[03:06:48] <efloid> newcoder: you may have to preface your command with SHELL=/bin/dash apt-get install --reinstall bash
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345[03:07:30] <efloid> because your SHELL env variable might still be set to /bin/bash. try this: env |grep SHELL
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347[03:07:47] <efloid> or SHELL=/bin/dash env |grep SHELL
348[03:08:04] <efloid> actually that last command was stupid. ignore!
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355[03:10:34] <newcoder> replaced-url
356[03:10:45] <newcoder> Bash was partially removed or installed
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362[03:13:15] <newcoder> How can I remove bash ; then install it?
363[03:13:21] <dvs> apt-get --reinstall install bash
364[03:13:40] <n4dir> you could add the command you used.was it the one you were advised to use?
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367[03:14:43] <newcoder> I have tried with SHELL=/bin/dash
368[03:14:46] <newcoder> same error
369[03:14:56] <n4dir> same problem: tell the whole command.
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372[03:16:32] <n4dir> try: a) dash and b) apt-get install --reinstall bash ; too
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374[03:17:04] <newcoder> Here: replaced-url
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376[03:17:36] <dvs> sign, that's not what people are telling you
377[03:18:19] <newcoder> I tried this too: SHELL=/bin/dash ; apt-get --reinstall install bash; and apt-get install bash
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380[03:19:21] <bazhang> ,v bash
381[03:19:22] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.3-11+deb8u1; sid: 4.4-2; stretch: 4.4-2
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383[03:19:41] <bazhang> why would you want to reinstall bash
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385[03:19:56] <dvs> bazhang, /bin/bash is gone
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387[03:20:12] <bazhang> that doesnt sound good
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396[03:24:22] <dvs> newcoder, then type "dash" then "apt-get --reinstall install bash"
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399[03:25:48] <galex-713> Hi
400[03:25:56] <galex-713> Do anyone knows something about 3D monitors?
401[03:26:32] <galex-713> Especially passive row-interlacing ones? which doesn’t polarize by default like equiring some kind of “3d activation”?
402[03:26:40] <galex-713> like Zalman Trimon?
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406[03:27:42] <newcoder> I'm using /bin/zsh now, SHELL=/bin/zsh
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408[03:27:52] <newcoder> This error: replaced-url
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411[03:28:43] <efloid> newcoder: leave out the semicolon
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417[03:29:50] <efloid> the SHELL statement is not a command, you're prepending the apt-get command with an overridden env variable
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422[03:31:01] <newcoder> efloid: Yes, initially /bin/bash is started
423[03:31:09] <efloid> so it looks like beyond the hype LXD is just a front-end for LXC
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426[03:31:43] <newcoder> echo $SHELL = /bin/bash when I start a new terminal
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428[03:32:59] <efloid> newcoder: you are confusing an echo statement and an env variable assignment statement
429[03:33:20] <efloid> echo reads an env variable
430[03:33:23] <ksft> I'm having trouble getting a bluetooth device to pair with my computer
431[03:33:41] <n4dir> i would probably try "chsh -s /bin/zsh" to change the login shell. Log out, log in, try again. Change it back once bash is installed again (assuming that is wanted)
432[03:33:53] <ksft> I tried bluetoothctl, and it said "Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed"
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434[03:34:15] <efloid> n4dir: i don't really know, but you should read about bluez and install if necessary
435[03:34:23] <n4dir> though i wouldn't know why the above solutions shouldn't work (that is: rather a try and error solution, not knowledge)
436[03:34:24] <ksft> gnome-bluetooth says "No Bluetooth adapters found"
437[03:34:42] <efloid> n4dir: apt-cache search bluez
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439[03:34:56] <n4dir> i got no idea about bluez, and i didn't speak about it
440[03:35:09] <efloid> n4dir: sorry i meant ksft!
441[03:35:19] <n4dir> :-) oh my, the internet
442[03:35:19] <ksft> efloid: I was wondering if you meant me
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445[03:36:04] <ksft> I have the bluez package installed
446[03:36:08] <ksft> how do I use it?
447[03:36:21] <efloid> ksft: start reading docs :-)
448[03:36:27] <ksft> what docs?
449[03:36:33] <ksft> man bluez doesn't work
450[03:36:47] <ksft> "No manual entry for bluez!
451[03:36:48] <n4dir> wiki.debian.org has no entry ? ksft ?
452[03:36:51] <ksft> "*
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454[03:37:01] <efloid> ksft: you could /usr/share/doc/bluez...
455[03:37:19] <ksft> not that I see
456[03:37:50] <efloid> ksft: you could try dpkg -L <package> and see all the files it installs. maybe some man pages.
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458[03:38:30] <efloid> check the bluez-tools package and maybe btscanner
459[03:38:37] <ksft> oh, I didn't know you could do that
460[03:38:55] <ksft> looks like bluetoothctl, which I tried to use, is part of it
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472[03:44:36] <maskara> zomg! my interweb iz back! did ya miss mmehhh!?
473[03:45:06] <thinkpad> no
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476[03:45:53] <newcoder> I solved the bash problem, /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.prerm has #!/bin/bash at top, I changed it to /bin/zsh , and reran, apt-get --reinstall install bash bash-completion, it worked
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479[03:47:10] <n4dir> cool bean.
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482[03:47:39] <ksft> so can anyone help me?
483[03:48:00] <bazhang> with bluetooth?
484[03:48:01] <ksft> bluetoothctl says "Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed" when I try to pair with a bluetooth device
485[03:48:15] <ksft> bazhang: yes
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505[04:07:24] <efloid> ksft: i don't know. maybe look at /var/log/syslog for any info
506[04:07:54] <efloid> ksft: there's probably a bluetooth howto or some doc on the debian wiki
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508[04:08:31] <efloid> replaced-url
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515[04:14:32] <ksft> nothing relevant in /var/log/syslog
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526[04:29:09] <efloid> ok how to i replace a package from one source with one from another source?
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528[04:29:53] <efloid> am trying to remove all my dotdeb packages and go back to stock, but some of them are required by many things
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537[04:36:02] <efloid> ah got it! just manually install new pkg with dpkg
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541[04:38:30] <f-a> is there a way from command line to get my current keyboard layout
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543[04:39:04] <ksft> f-a: tty or a GUI terminal thing?
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546[04:39:26] <f-a> terminal
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548[04:39:53] <f-a> I am hoping to extract something so I can put it in my tmux status bar, ksft
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556[04:42:15] <ksft> f-a: if it's running on X, it looks like you can use something like `setxkbmap -print`
557[04:42:38] <f-a> it is running x ksft
558[04:43:12] <f-a> but apparently the xkb_symbols line doesn't change when I toggle, ksft
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561[04:43:37] <ksft> I have no idea, unfortunately
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563[04:44:54] <f-a> no worries! I'll stay put to see if there are more inputs :)
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589[05:09:32] <cast> what's the nicest way to setup a testing-amd64 mirror [sans src]? having read around there seems to be a mess of ways. jigdoing the 14 DVDs seems the easiest, though then you don't get a signed release file
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592[05:10:58] <christinepea777> are there any good debian desktop games packages out there? ie ones with lots of little games that consume minial resources? solitare, rodents revenge, ski free, etc.
593[05:11:22] <dvs> cast, apt-mirror?
594[05:12:26] <f-a> mhhhh christinepea777 , I know
595[05:12:36] <f-a> I know of collection of solitaire games
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597[05:13:09] <f-a> and there is bsdgames, but itś for terminal, not graphical (still extremely nice games!)
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601[05:13:22] <christinepea777> f-a: oh yeah?
602[05:13:41] <christinepea777> f-a: i just need simple little games to play inbetween my work
603[05:14:08] <cast> there's always nethack...
604[05:14:23] <f-a> that's staring into the abyss :P
605[05:14:32] <ksft> I have a bluetooth headset I'm trying to connect
606[05:14:33] <epsilon> cast: debmirror. Calculate with about 80GB
607[05:14:40] <f-a> christinepea777: I usually play jester and most of the time kshisen
608[05:14:48] <ksft> I think it's connected, but pavucontrol doesn't list it
609[05:15:20] <cast> epsilon: interesting, the 14 jigdo dvds made me think it would be ~50GB
610[05:15:21] <christinepea777> f-a: any idea where I can find these packages? maybe a site that reviews them or something. i dunno.
611[05:15:33] <christinepea777> f-a: or a site that has lots of little linux games for download
612[05:15:49] <christinepea777> f-a: low end games, not high end ones that you've got to buy.
613[05:15:53] <f-a> christinepea777: those come with debian. You do know how to search the repositories, right?
614[05:16:02] <christinepea777> f-a: not off hand
615[05:16:28] <f-a> mhhh, I don't have a DE but I guess I can help you
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618[05:18:05] <f-a> christinepea777: since you have got a terminal open
619[05:18:17] <f-a> just go `apt-cache search solitaire`
620[05:18:37] <f-a> and then pick one. I suggest: `sudo apt-get install kshisen`
621[05:19:44] <christinepea777> f-a: okay thanks. that works.
622[05:19:56] <christinepea777> f-a: is there a command that returns information about each game?
623[05:20:04] <christinepea777> f-a: like a summary
624[05:20:07] <f-a> yeah
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626[05:22:06] <f-a> apt-cache show kshisen or if you prefer using a browser, replaced-url
627[05:22:15] <f-a> for many games there is an image, too
628[05:22:35] <f-a> (also there is a similar packages list, etc.)
629[05:23:06] <christinepea777> f-a: okay thank you very very much
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632[05:25:58] <tim_> How can you tell whether a package is in main, contrib, or non-free?
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635[05:27:14] <dvs> tim_: /msg judd version <package-name>
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637[05:27:45] <tim_> dvs: Thanks. But is there a way to do it offline?
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640[05:30:09] <dvs> not that I know of
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647[05:37:24] <Gost_50676> Can someone help mee?
648[05:38:06] <tim_> !tell Gost_50676 ask
649[05:38:25] <tim_> !ask
650[05:38:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
651[05:38:46] <f-a> shoot, Gost_50676
652[05:38:59] <Gost_50676> Why can not I install cpanel on debian 8?
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689[06:19:22] <Delf> Seems this a serious issue… chromium cannot be updated to newer version because of dependencies (libdbus-1-3, libfontconfig1 and libstdc++6) in the current jessie?
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693[06:25:22] <cast> seems debmirror is either buggy, or dreadfully inefficient, it just sat at 100% cpu for 45 minutes :|
694[06:26:56] <Delf> Is getting those dependencies updated hard? Will it break other dependencies?
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696[06:29:14] <epsilon> cast: what options did you use?
697[06:30:05] <cast> giving apt-mirror a go now
698[06:30:29] <cast> debmirror --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg -p --dry-run -h ftp.au.debian.org --method=http -d stretch -a amd64 --nosource testing-amd64 [also sans dry-run]
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705[06:36:29] <epsilon> cast: debmirror -v --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=amd64 --nosource --i18n --getcontents --dist=stretch --method=rsync --host=ftp.au.debian.org --root=debian/ --diff=none --dry-run /local/path/to/mirror/
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713[06:41:38] <cast> hmmm, now that apt-mirror is running i might wait for that finish
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746[07:20:29] <dtgq> How to install Python 3.6 on Debian Jessie? apt-get install python3 says that 3.4.2 is the newest version
747[07:23:23] <n4dir> replaced-url
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749[07:25:19] <n4dir> i got that right: it was released 2 days ago?
750[07:26:50] <dtgq> yes
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752[07:27:22] <j4son> released 2 days ago? that means you only need to wait 2 years for it to be in debian packaging, nbd.
753[07:27:36] <dtgq> alright so how do I install it?
754[07:27:43] <dtgq> besides compiling from source?
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756[07:30:04] <n4dir> like said, try virtualenv
757[07:31:32] <dtgq> How does virtualenv help?
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759[07:32:48] <n4dir> did you recently fall on your head?
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761[07:35:36] <dtgq> no. did you?
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765[07:38:22] <dtgq> n4dir: I'd love to stay to tell you how retarded your "answer" is, but the compilation has just finished and now I can use virtualenv. You like doing thing backwards? Put your underwear over your head.
766[07:38:28] <j4son> I think what dtgq means is.... how does virtualenv, which has a dependency on python, help with upgrading python?
767[07:39:53] <dtgq> yeah he's a tough-guy keyboard warrior idiot, doesn't know shit. Armchair advisor.
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771[07:41:17] <dtgq> n4dir: If you're just going to go around pissing people off with retarded and useless answers, it's better to just keep your fucking mouth shut.
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773[07:42:03] <j4son> oh my
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781[07:43:58] <n4dir> now, j4son, as far i can tell you can use virtualenv to install different versions of python (if you would need those versions to make use of it, there would be no need for it)
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783[07:44:39] <n4dir> that was not the point though.
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785[07:47:39] <jim> n4dir, also to install modules
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788[07:49:01] <n4dir> yeah, i guess so. Might have mixed it with perlbrew, but i would assume that one purpose of virtualenv is to install different versions of python (at least too)
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792[07:54:09] <vrkalak> refresh my memory -- what is command for joining another #channel ?
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795[07:54:51] <n4dir> - /join #channelname
796[07:55:19] <vrkalak> ack!! thank you, n4dir
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800[07:57:56] <somiaj> n4dir: that is correct, you will need a compiled python for the version you want, but you don't even have to have it in your $PATH, $HOME/mycusomtpython/ is good enough.
801[07:58:35] <somiaj> ahh guess the person that was for left
802[07:59:28] <n4dir> somiaj: yup, just figured it out, probably mixed it with perlbrew (still expecting a software just released to be packaged for debian stable is ... a bit odd)
803[07:59:37] <n4dir> but thanks for the clarification
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808[08:06:47] <efloid> not sure if i should install mysql or mariadb for an owncloud server
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817[08:11:07] <somiaj> efloid: it is mostly a personal choice, debian supplies both.
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821[08:12:52] <efloid> somiaj: i'm tending towards mariadb which i suspect with more robust community development may have better/more frequent security updates
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835[08:25:13] <jusss> how I can know debian have some sound cards' drivers like CMedia HS 100B or CM6533?
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843[08:32:03] <somiaj> jusss: hardware support is from the kernel. So just if the linux kernel via alsa supports that sound card that is what debian will do to.
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850[08:36:22] <sophiag> hi. i'm on debian (jessie) for the first time as of earlier this week and it's been freezing a disturbing amount: often once a day, now just twice in the past hour or so. it could be a hardware issue, but i suspect something with the os so figure i'd ask here first. i really only use two apps, chromium and emacs. i do generally keep >10 tabs open o
851[08:36:22] <sophiag> n chromium, but suspect it's more likely an issue debian has with oracle jdk8 since that is showing as consuming far more memory when i have a repl running in emacs (usually around ~700mb). but i also only ever seem to be using maximum half the 8gb ram i have installed so suspect that could be part of it. any ideas?
852[08:36:50] <jusss> somiaj: how I can know the kernel support some device drivers?
853[08:37:09] <jusss> where I can find some index sort of?
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856[08:38:15] <han-solo> sophiag: chromium have some bugs
857[08:38:34] <han-solo> use firefox
858[08:38:37] <sophiag> yeah, one would figure chromium is not nearly as stable as firefox
859[08:38:59] <sophiag> you really think enough to crash the os to the point i can't even bring up a terminal to kill it?
860[08:39:12] <sophiag> i really do prefer it to firefox
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862[08:39:53] <sophiag> i have my devices synced up through there, plus chrome and react dev tools are essential (although not all the time obviously)
863[08:40:00] <sophiag> ugh
864[08:40:44] <somiaj> jusss: I'd just look it up in google
865[08:40:55] <sophiag> han-solo: would i experience the same bugs with stretch? i'm going to try it debootstrap in a week or so probably
866[08:41:09] <sophiag> or i could just backport a newer version if there is one
867[08:41:30] <somiaj> sophiag: chromium recentally had a security issue which required backporting a newer version. You should be running version 55 from secirty, use apt-cache policy chromium to check
868[08:41:30] <sophiag> this is 55.0.2883.75
869[08:41:47] <somiaj> sophiag: you could try google-chrome from google. You will need to get their package and it is only for amd64
870[08:42:03] <sophiag> oh, i didn't know i could use real chrome...
871[08:42:08] <sophiag> i just have to build it manually?
872[08:42:09] <somiaj> sophiag: I have no issues with chromium myself, but Im' running stretch
873[08:42:15] <sophiag> ah good to know too
874[08:42:27] <sophiag> seems i'll switch once i have some time and try it with chroot
875[08:42:30] <somiaj> sophiag: no building (it is non-free with google stuff in it), but google provides a package here.
876[08:42:44] <sophiag> woah really? why could i only find chromium then...
877[08:42:48] <somiaj> sophiag: you just won't get support for googles package here, if there are bugs with it, contact google.
878[08:43:07] <somiaj> sophiag: because debian doesn't distribute the non-free google-chrome, only chromium
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880[08:43:20] <somiaj> sophiag: google provides their own repo you can add to your sources.list
881[08:43:23] <sophiag> ah, still tho...big oversight on my part
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884[08:43:40] <sophiag> thanks. that seems like the clear answer
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889[08:48:48] <jusss> somiaj: I search 'cmedia cm6533' in google, but I get kernel patch... so it means the default kernel don't have its driver?
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900[08:56:08] <sophiag> alright back on chrome...all 20 tabs :)
901[08:56:17] <sophiag> hopefully this will fix it. thanks guys
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906[08:58:57] <freeshitnode> i like free shit
907[09:00:29] <freeshitnode> where is the free shit?
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912[09:01:30] <baraba> free shit as in free beer, or free shit as in freedom
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921[09:15:39] <Bonn333> "+b" :-)
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937[09:31:53] <starstuff> Hi I have a new computer I just built and it has an nvidia 1070 card and an nvme SSD. I tried Debian Jessie and grub doesn't install. So next I tried Debian Stretch (alpha 8 installer) and grub works fine. When I boot Debian Stretch, I get a message from nouveau "Unknown chipset" and GNOME doesn't start. How do I fix that? I probably want to use the non-free nvidia drivers.
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939[09:33:29] <SporkWitch> starstuff: i've had some issues with the 1060 as well, i think it's a bit too new for proper support from the nouveau drivers and other generics that are attempted. Could try slotting in an older nvidia card, installing, installing the binary drivers, then switching to the newer card.
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941[09:33:43] <Sabotender> curious. would an Ubuntu deb work on debian?
942[09:33:56] <ElDiabolo> starstuff, You may need the legacy drivers.
943[09:33:57] <starstuff> SporkWitch: Aren't there instructions for Jessie on the debian wiki entry for nvidia?
944[09:33:58] <SporkWitch> Sabotender: ubuntu and debian are not binary compatible
945[09:34:15] <Sabotender> SporkWitch: ah, was just curious. :-P
946[09:34:16] <ElDiabolo> starstuff, Forget that :)
947[09:34:35] <starstuff> ElDiabolo: I'm at console at the moment so would appreciate any help
948[09:34:35] <SporkWitch> starstuff: there may be; i was trying to install kubuntu (for a workstation it saves me the trouble of installing a bunch of stuff i'd have installed anyway, not to mention the official steam support)
949[09:34:47] <SporkWitch> starstuff: gave up fairly quickly and just stuck with arch lol
950[09:34:47] <xormor> SporkWitch, some Ubuntu programs run fine with Debian. If they have the same library compatibility and kernel compatibility.
951[09:34:49] <Sabotender> SporkWitch: since people were arguing earlier about the extreme similarities between the two distros.
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953[09:35:31] <starstuff> SporkWitch: if you or someone could text me the commands to install the nvidia proprietary driver from the debian wiki that would be appreciated
954[09:35:39] <xormor> SporkWitch, for example Bat Client 64 bit for Ubuntu ran fine with Debian Jessie Stable 8 64-bit (amd64, x86_64).
955[09:35:43] <SporkWitch> xormor: they sometimes CAN, but it's not by design, so much as lucking out. Again, they are not binary compatible; there is no assurance whatsoever that a ubuntu deb will run on debian or vice versa
956[09:36:04] <ElDiabolo> I have an eee pc with 2Gb ram. Are there any noticable advantages of 64 or 32 bit.
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958[09:37:12] <SporkWitch> ElDiabolo: you may actually benefit from staying 32bit. 64bit can add a little bit of overhead, though this is lost with the greater capacity available; with only 2GB? You might notice the extra overhead.
959[09:37:21] <ElDiabolo> It seems to boil down to minor performance improvement (64) vs minor memory footprint improvement (§"):
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964[09:40:12] <ElDiabolo> SporkWitch, I think I'll go for 32. Are there any benefits of the amd64 architecture I will not have then?
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966[09:41:30] <SporkWitch> ElDiabolo: none that i'd expect to be noticed on that hardware
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968[09:42:13] <SporkWitch> ElDiabolo: as you noted, potential for slightly better CPU efficiency with 64bit (extra registers and whatnot), but also slightly larger memory footprint. with only 2GB to work with, the memory is of greater concern
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971[09:43:12] <SporkWitch> 2GB is really nothing these days; my chromebook has 2GB (+2GB zRAM) and it regularly shits the bed from going OOM (and it has one seriously aggressive OOM killer)
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976[09:48:30] <Delf> Is it a bug or what? The value in /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/sound/volume-step is not respected
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1019[10:22:14] <tehcha> how can i install a Debian into a raspberry pi?
1020[10:22:43] <SporkWitch> tehcha: put it on a USB driver, choose the sd card during install.
1021[10:22:55] <SporkWitch> make sure you use an ARM build. or just use raspbian
1022[10:23:49] <tehcha> SporkWitch→ty
1023[10:29:02] <somiaj> tehcha: it also might depend what pi you have, raspbian is the easiest, but it isn't pure debian so isn't supported here.
1024[10:29:14] <somiaj> tehcha: you need to make sure your pi supports arm v7 to use the debian arm port.
1025[10:29:23] <somiaj> (most newer ones do)
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1027[10:30:40] <sophiag> ugh...back again. all new applications launched open with black windows in gnome? everything currently open is working fine and i can launch a terminal with ctrl alt f2
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1029[10:31:11] <somiaj> sophiag: what version of debian are you running again?
1030[10:31:13] <sophiag> i see a lot of different explanations for this on google, but they're mostly too old and/or on different distros
1031[10:31:16] <sophiag> jessie
1032[10:31:27] <SporkWitch> ctrl+alt+f2 is a tty; you're not launching anything, so it's independent.
1033[10:31:32] <sophiag> i doubt it's an integrated graphics bug. that seems to have been fixed by now
1034[10:31:48] <sophiag> SporkWitch: i know. sorry, wrong terminology
1035[10:32:00] <SporkWitch> terminology is a terminal emulator ;)
1036[10:32:04] <SporkWitch> (sorry, had to there lol)
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1038[10:32:29] <sophiag> lol
1039[10:32:31] <SporkWitch> i would point out that just because it's old or a different distro doesn't make it wrong or not relevant; read what's there, try it
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1041[10:32:51] <sophiag> more that they're often too old to trust
1042[10:33:05] <sophiag> i doubt a bug involving integrated graphics from three years ago hasn't been patched
1043[10:33:12] <SporkWitch> again, that doesn't follow
1044[10:33:25] <SporkWitch> regressions happen all the time
1045[10:33:26] <sophiag> really? *everyone* has integrated graphics now...
1046[10:33:32] <sophiag> true i guess..
1047[10:33:43] <sophiag> just figured i'd ask here if anyone knew about anything currently
1048[10:34:04] <SporkWitch> this is also debian, i could totally see something from 3 years ago just now making it in lol
1049[10:34:04] <tehcha> sophiag→ ty for looking out for me liek this!
1050[10:34:19] <sophiag> there are also just many different explanation. most involve software i don't even have installed
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1052[10:34:48] <sophiag> integrated graphics makes sense to me...i'm just surprised it'd still be an issue when i saw a post from 2013
1053[10:34:53] <SporkWitch> nifty, so rather than focusing on the things that definitely don't apply, how about looking over the things you erroneously dismissed without proper testing?
1054[10:35:18] <sophiag> got it. just thought prudent to ask. the answer is "haven't heard of anything" i suppose
1055[10:35:38] <SporkWitch> i don't use gnome, it's crap, but this applies to trouble with any piece of software
1056[10:36:11] <SporkWitch> patched or not, just because something's old doesn't mean it isn't relevant, and it may get you closer to a solution. Happens all the time.
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1059[10:36:29] <SporkWitch> hell, a similar problem with completely different software may very well have the same solution
1060[10:36:52] <SporkWitch> but you wouldn't have noticed, because you're too quick to toss out results :P
1061[10:36:58] <John[Lisbeth]> Merry Christmas and happy holidays, #debian. Thank you for putting in countless hours helping people make arguably the best and most stable and free Linux distro of all time. I really appreciate all of your hard work and the whole planet really owes you a beer or two.
1062[10:37:23] <sophiag> lol, i didn't "toss them out." just thought i'd ask here first. i just had another issue and immediately someone knew what the cause was
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1064[10:37:58] * SporkWitch will happyily argue "best"
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1066[10:38:13] <SporkWitch> (as far as stability, that's what happens when it takes a decade to make it from testing to stable :P)
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1068[10:38:52] <John[Lisbeth]> b
1069[10:39:11] <John[Lisbeth]> Even now you are just toiling away at Debian on Christmas eve and that is really amazing
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1071[10:39:40] <SporkWitch> humbug
1072[10:39:41] <sophiag> jew. just finished my chinese :)
1073[10:39:46] <SporkWitch> lol
1074[10:39:52] <SporkWitch> what is with that stereotype?
1075[10:39:54] <SporkWitch> it's hilarious
1076[10:40:06] <sophiag> tbh i found some noodle soup in the freezer
1077[10:40:24] <sophiag> and broke vegan cuz i was too busy to cook and need to get to sleep
1078[10:40:30] <babilen> → #debian-offtopic please
1079[10:40:45] <sophiag> ok, was going to actually explain the reason
1080[10:40:55] <noodle> :(
1081[10:40:59] <sophiag> haha
1082[10:41:37] <sophiag> well i don't have compiz installed it seems... or at least the config file isn't where it should be
1083[10:42:30] <sophiag> oh wait i think i typed it in wrong switching back and forth...it has to be that from what i'm reading
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1086[10:45:19] <sophiag> hmm. i can't find xorg.conf.d or similar in the X11 dir. anyone know where it is? i just switched to debian from centos this week (hence all the questions)
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1089[10:46:42] <somiaj> sophiag: just create it
1090[10:47:11] <somiaj> sophiag: by default xorg detects things automatically and no config file is given. You can choose to either use a single config file xorg.conf or split it up into multiple files, xorg.conf.d/foo
1091[10:47:33] <sophiag> hmm
1092[10:47:44] <babilen> dpkg: xorg.conf.d
1093[10:47:45] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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1095[10:48:16] <sophiag> or Xorg -configure ?
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1097[10:48:42] <babilen> No, don't do that
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1110[10:55:25] <sophiag> welp...upgraded gnome and restarted it
1111[10:55:31] <sophiag> we'll see if this problem returns
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1113[10:55:58] <sophiag> didn't deem it wise to go around creating config files for gpus i don't even know match mine
1114[10:56:00] <efloid> anyone remember that site where you can get a free ssl cert?
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1119[10:57:49] <efloid> startssl.com?
1120[10:58:59] <DoctorD90> MERRY XMAS TO ALL!!!
1121[10:59:01] <efloid> letsencrypt.org
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1126[11:02:02] <efloid> sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install certbot bang.
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1227[12:33:18] <NewEd> hi
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1231[12:35:48] <madrik> Compliments of the season.
1232[12:36:24] <madrik> If I use rng-tools or haveged, what risks do I expose the entropy pool to?
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1235[12:37:05] <LinuxNovice> hello...
1236[12:37:13] <techping> hi
1237[12:37:14] <SporkWitch> a flaw in the tools, or their entropy source, would polute the pool with less-than-random data
1238[12:37:26] <LinuxNovice> techping, hi...
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1243[12:38:57] <LinuxNovice> I am a beginner in Linux. Was curious to know, if we use any of the various respins of debian, can we get the updates and bugfixes directly from debian?
1244[12:39:03] <madrik> SporkWitch: Thanks. Would hardware RNGs be even worse in that regard?
1245[12:39:25] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: no
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1248[12:40:21] <LinuxNovice> if I update the OS, the updates made and bugfixes made are directly routed from debian or it is the specific distro that does the update?
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1250[12:40:39] <SporkWitch> madrik: i've not used the two you're speaking of, so couldn't really comment. What I can say is that it depends. Many smartcards integrate a TRNG which, in theory, should produce very good random numbers
1251[12:40:51] <LinuxNovice> because, the respin is based on debian.
1252[12:40:54] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: your distro has to provide security support
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1254[12:41:20] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: security can upgrade any package, it doesn't make sense to build your own distro and pull random upgrades from debian
1255[12:41:20] <LinuxNovice> suppose, a respin to debian like antix.
1256[12:41:57] <SporkWitch> madrik: i've used token-tools with an old feitian pkcs11 card i had, and the NIST suite seems to like its random numbers, but it's possible i was using the suite wrong (it's not the most user friendly, and i didn't spend a ton of time with it)
1257[12:41:59] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: it just doesn't work
1258[12:42:29] <LinuxNovice> so, can I expect the same stability and security from a respin like antix which is based on debian stable, as debian itself?
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1260[12:42:41] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: go ask them
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1262[12:42:48] <madrik> SporkWitch: Ah, okay. I was planning to create some new SSH keys and thought it better to ask about entropy increasers.
1263[12:43:00] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: only they can tell you about their security policies
1264[12:43:41] <LinuxNovice> so, which is better in your opinion respin to debian or debian?
1265[12:44:04] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: debian, obviously
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1268[12:44:38] <LinuxNovice> ok.
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1271[12:48:12] <madrik> When I installed Debian recently, I found out that aptitude(1) is no longer a part of the standard set of programs. Is there a problem with it I ought to be aware of?
1272[12:48:34] <LinuxNovice> I have read that Debian is hard to configure and may not support some hardware. is that true? is it suitable for someone who has switched from Windows and relies heavily on GUI?
1273[12:49:06] <madrik> Oh, I used d-i Alpha 8.
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1275[12:49:26] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: some things might work more easily on other distros, but in the end it's all linux
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1277[12:49:48] <nkuttler> LinuxNovice: getting your gui to run shouldn't be a problem, unless you have the latest of everything in hardware
1278[12:50:07] <LinuxNovice> ok.
1279[12:50:14] <madrik> I understand that there was some uncertainty about the maintainership of aptitude, but that cloud has passed over.
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1281[12:50:33] <nkuttler> madrik: i think apt is now the recommended tool, but read the release notes i guess
1282[12:50:47] * nkuttler just stubbornly continues to use apt-get
1283[12:51:13] <nkuttler> and aptitude still has its uses for complex dependencies
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1285[12:51:38] <madrik> nkuttler: Is apt to be used both for daily package management and release upgrades?
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1287[12:52:17] <madrik> Or are the apt tools now specialized for one or the other purpose?
1288[12:52:22] <nkuttler> madrik: for releases, always check the release notes
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1290[12:53:49] <nkuttler> yeah, upgrade is still with apt-get replaced-url
1291[12:54:07] <nkuttler> but we have seen different tools recommended in the past for upgrades vs day to day operations
1292[12:54:20] <efloid> how to copy from one directory into another and if target dir files are different don't overwrite them?
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1294[12:54:50] <nkuttler> efloid: man cp
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1296[12:55:12] <efloid> i only see options to not overwrite if same name exists. but i only want it if same name exists and file is actually different
1297[12:55:34] <galex-713> Hi
1298[12:55:37] <galex-713> Did anyone already made a 3D screen work under GNU/Linux?
1299[12:55:49] <efloid> yeah cp has -no-clobber but that's not what i want
1300[12:56:00] <nkuttler> efloid: you don't want to copy the same file over?
1301[12:56:21] <efloid> nkuttler: if file is same then overwrite, if not same do not overwrite
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1303[12:57:01] <madrik> nkuttler: Thanks. You mentioned you still use apt-get. Is your reason only historical?
1304[12:57:05] <at0m> efloid: rsync has -u, --update which updates when files in target dir are older
1305[12:57:33] <efloid> at0m: ah maybe... checking...
1306[12:57:33] <nkuttler> efloid: your first rule basically has no effect
1307[12:57:44] <nkuttler> so not overwriting existing files seems to do the same?
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1309[12:58:23] <efloid> nkuttler: well the idea is to merge two directories and if files were different either prompt for a rename or automatically rename
1310[12:58:48] <nkuttler> you might want unison, if rsync doesn't do what you want
1311[12:58:53] <efloid> nkuttler: but its not the same because i don't want the files leftover in the source dir if they got copied
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1313[12:59:25] <n4dir> at first guess i would do a if condition (if both files don't differn, then cp, else do something different)
1314[12:59:29] <n4dir> efloid:
1315[12:59:52] <nkuttler> not sure what you're actually trying to do anyway
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1317[13:01:34] <efloid> maybe a script would be better for this
1318[13:02:01] <n4dir> efloid: you only got two directories, each contain only files, or you got 2 directories with subdirectories?
1319[13:02:23] <efloid> n4dir: just files
1320[13:02:45] <n4dir> you sure there are files with the same name in both dirs?
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1322[13:03:25] <efloid> n4dir: yes. i somehow got a dir that is recursive under another one, but some of the files might be different
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1324[13:03:41] <efloid> now i need to merge them back but not overwrite any altered files
1325[13:03:55] <n4dir> could probably do something like "for i in dir1/*; do find dir2 -name '$i" (well: or such, only an idea, not a solution)
1326[13:04:05] <n4dir> ah, so with sub directories. urgh .
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1338[13:16:36] <efloid> unison is kind of helping
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1364[13:36:39] <madrik> nkuttler: You mentioned you still use apt-get. Is your reason only historical?
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1367[13:37:31] <nkuttler> madrik: it has simply always worked, that's why it stays my default
1368[13:37:49] <nkuttler> madrik: aptitude is kind of bloated in comparison. i have not formed an opinion about apt yet
1369[13:38:35] <nkuttler> i know people who still use dselect. in the end it doesn't really matter what you use primarily, as long as you know all tools
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1372[13:40:22] <efloid> aha python has filecmp
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1378[13:49:12] <efloid> import filecmp; print(filecmp.cmp('php/assmt5.css','php2/assmt5.css'))
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1380[13:50:54] <efloid> amazing. don't even have to create a filehandle or anything!
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1394[14:09:21] <madrik> nkuttler: One thing I have not figured out how to do with apt-get is this: install a package with only some of its recommended packages.
1395[14:09:57] <madrik> Say I want texlive but none of the documentation packages. This is quite easy to do with aptitude.
1396[14:10:11] <madrik> In the curses interface, of course.
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1398[14:14:19] <madrik> I have never used dselect myself.
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1400[14:16:40] <madrik> Another point I've questioned myself on is which tool to use in scripts: apt-get or aptitude?
1401[14:17:43] <nkuttler> madrik: you can use --no-recommends and such with apt-get
1402[14:18:35] <at0m> nkuttler: can you hand-pick recommends like in aptitude's curses interface?
1403[14:19:03] <nkuttler> at0m: of course not, but you can install them separately, or explicitly in the same command
1404[14:19:10] <at0m> right
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1408[14:20:36] <madrik> I was presuming there was some other way, maybe supplying a '-' suffix to some package names.
1409[14:20:37] <at0m> and eventually, either way these will be marked as installed manually
1410[14:20:46] <madrik> Anything short of typing them out, really.
1411[14:20:57] <nkuttler> i have just globally disabled recommends
1412[14:21:00] <at0m> not automatically as in automatically installed recommends
1413[14:21:02] <at0m> nkuttler: same
1414[14:21:03] <nkuttler> or was it suggests
1415[14:21:20] * nkuttler doesn't even remember
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1418[14:22:54] <madrik> nkuttler: That is the point of difference, then: I'm not yet at the point where I'd like to choose _all_ of the Recommends, and so I can't yet live with a global ban on them.
1419[14:23:28] <madrik> Whitelist them, so to speak.
1420[14:25:10] <madrik> Anyhow, I've read a bit of the mailing lists and it looks to me that aptitude is not part of the default package set in Stretch as it was in Jessie.
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1425[14:28:00] <madrik> How often do user-facing tools get deprecated in Debian?
1426[14:28:40] <madrik> I only know of the instance of dselect.
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1438[14:31:54] <madrik> nkuttler: I suppose one other reason people favor apt-get apart from its longevity is its speed compared with aptitude.
1439[14:32:28] <noqnio1> hey, on stretch, dist-upgrade wants to remove nvidia driver... how can i find out why
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1449[14:41:19] <nkuttler> !tell noqnio1 about debian-next
1450[14:41:37] <nkuttler> madrik: sure, that's why i called aptitude bloated
1451[14:43:51] <madrik> nkuttler: Yes. I ask about deprecation because I'd like to use a basic tool for a very long time.
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1453[14:44:33] <madrik> If aptitude is in danger of decline, then I'd like to seek a long term alternative.
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1455[14:45:56] <madrik> I was using Fedora for a while, since version 20. But within two releases the fundamental tool of package management, namely yum, got thrown out the window.
1456[14:46:33] <madrik> Its replacement is not at the place yum was; and minor differences in operation became quite annoying.
1457[14:47:25] <madrik> That ill-managed change and the fact of its short release cycle turned me away from Fedora as a platform for myself.
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1461[14:48:59] <fp7> I suppose everyone has different opinions
1462[14:49:04] <madrik> So, if apt-get is less likelier to vanish soon, then that is a strong recommendation for adopting it.
1463[14:49:26] <nkuttler> madrik: in the end apt-get/aptitude/apt use apt (the lib) in the backround
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1465[14:49:41] <nkuttler> so, imo, it doesn't really matter which one you use
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1467[14:50:29] <nkuttler> apt-get has been around for a very long time, it's the oldest of the tree
1468[14:50:37] * dvs gets dselect
1469[14:50:54] <nkuttler> does that use the apt backend?
1470[14:51:16] <TomTomTo1> aptitude was never a replacement for apt-get and apt is meant as a merger of apt-get and apt-cache functionality with improved readability. i also don't think either of those is going to vanish soon.
1471[14:51:39] <nkuttler> eh, "improved"
1472[14:51:50] <TomTomTo1> well, meant as.
1473[14:51:56] <nkuttler> hehe, yeah
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1475[14:52:16] <madrik> I have seen apt's default output ...
1476[14:52:31] <nkuttler> madrik: just apt search foo vs apt-cache search foo
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1478[14:52:44] <madrik> Precisely.
1479[14:52:55] <madrik> It takes some getting used to.
1480[14:53:26] <nkuttler> too many lines for my taste
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1486[14:55:03] <sillyslux> my qemu is crashing when i run `qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm`
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1488[14:55:21] <sillyslux> can somebody please confirm?
1489[14:55:23] <madrik> TomTomTo1: I like aptitude. I've been using it. I like its search syntaxes and its default output where I can know at a glance if a package is installed or not.
1490[14:55:40] <Pavr> sillyslux, i trust you
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1493[14:56:12] <madrik> But I find myself worrying about its future.
1494[14:56:29] <TomTomTo1> based on what?
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1496[14:57:13] <madrik> TomTomTo1: As I mentioned earlier, I understand that there was some uncertainty about the maintainership
1497[14:57:13] <madrik> of aptitude.
1498[14:57:31] <sillyslux> ah i'll try in #qemu
1499[14:57:54] <Pavr> sillyslux, try being more specific in your questioning there.
1500[14:58:02] <Pavr> provide more details
1501[14:58:08] <fp7> ^
1502[14:58:14] <madrik> And that it's not installed by default in Stretch (and later?)
1503[14:58:55] <sillyslux> just did
1504[14:59:34] <madrik> It could be that I worry without real cause, but it has been lurking in my mind.
1505[14:59:59] <Pavr> not sure why it matters so much to you? if aptitude isn't there use apt-get?
1506[15:00:18] <madrik> I suppose that after the incident with Fedora, I've become (too) cautious.
1507[15:01:20] <Pavr> they are all frontends. nothing drastic is going to happen with the package manager in debian.
1508[15:01:25] <madrik> Pavr: Earlier I mentioned a use case where apt-get has no convenient equivalent for an operation in aptitude.
1509[15:01:33] <madrik> Hence my worry.
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1511[15:01:51] <madrik> Among other aspects, of course.
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1516[15:03:32] <TomTomTo1> so pavr is complaining about a shortcoming of apt-get, not aptitude.
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1518[15:03:51] <TomTomTo1> really, aptitude is not going anywhere.
1519[15:03:59] <Pavr> im not complaining
1520[15:04:30] <Pavr> i am*
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1522[15:06:15] <madrik> TomTomTo1: I hope your words remain true; I'll continue to use aptitude.
1523[15:07:22] <madrik> I checked and, indeed, both apt and aptitude depend on libapt-pkg5.0
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1528[15:08:35] <vkolchev> Hi guys, is there any good screenshot tool with quick edit capabilities and quick net upload for Debian?
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1530[15:10:50] <madrik> vkolchev: Well, I don't know about quick but 'Print Screen' under GNOME saves a screenshot in Pictures; then you can edit it with the program of your choice.
1531[15:11:31] <madrik> Unless you were asking for a comprehensive application that does all those things by itself ...
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1534[15:11:39] <vkolchev> madrik: thank you for your answer. of course I can do it, however it won't be quick if one has to open another program, edit and save and upload
1535[15:11:56] <vkolchev> I actually am searching for alternative for lightshot app for mac and win
1536[15:12:18] <vkolchev> very convenient and I used to use it heavily in my everyday job, saved much time
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1538[15:13:01] <madrik> vkolchev: Ah, I don't know of such a thing. Perhaps someone else does.
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1540[15:14:30] <elliot007> vkolchev: have you tried gnome-screenshot?
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1543[15:15:33] <vkolchev> elliot007, no, but as far as I understand it just does screenshot of whole screen without any other capablities
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1545[15:15:59] <vkolchev> came across shutter right now, seems to do the trick, however requires couple more steps than lightshot
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1548[15:16:56] <elliot007> vkolchev: replaced-url
1549[15:17:21] <elliot007> options in gnome-screenshot, I've never used shutter though
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1551[15:18:03] <vkolchev> elliot007, thank you, will surely look into it
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1555[15:18:20] <elliot007> vkolchev: no problem
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1571[15:23:54] <Pavr> elliot007, you could also take a look at replaced-url
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1579[15:32:13] <SuperSeriousCat> I set up a /etc/systemd/network/ and enabeled systemd-networkd.service and got the IP I wanted. Also disabeled networking.serivce and rebooted. Still my PC get 2 IPs
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1581[15:32:40] <SuperSeriousCat> Where do I need to look to remove all but the systemd network IP?
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1591[15:44:42] <vkolchev> Another quick question. I added packagecloud.io repo to install a piece of sofware. Added it via script. Now would like to remove it, and there is no such repo in /etc/apt/sources.list , while the repo is obviously there as long as I see it during apt-get command.
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1593[15:45:40] <dvs> check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
1594[15:46:56] <vkolchev> dvs, yes, it has been there, thank you
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1600[15:47:56] <dvs> np
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1679[16:34:37] <contrapunctus> o/
1680[16:37:21] <Bonn333> \o
1681[16:37:43] <dvs> _o_
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1684[16:38:45] <contrapunctus> I log into my machine (XFCE/StumpWM) and the mouse doesn't work, the modeline doesn't appear, and the keyboard commands for StumpWM don't work either (although xscreensaver seems to be working)
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1686[16:39:37] <contrapunctus> *reads ~/.xsession-errors - oh my*
1687[16:39:42] <vfw> contrapunctus: What do you mean, the modeline doesn't appear?
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1689[16:40:10] <contrapunctus> StumpWM's modeline.
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1692[16:42:23] <vfw> contrapunctus: There's a #stumpwm channel on irc.freenode.net.
1693[16:43:33] <contrapunctus> Yeah, I know...I just figured this would be a Debian-end thing.
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1771[17:40:22] <nicknitewolf> I have no idea why my bluetooth adapter isnt detected in gnome-bluetooth
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1773[17:41:01] <nicknitewolf> Used to have missing bluetooth realtek drivers but I solved them with an install of realtek drivers
1774[17:41:08] <nicknitewolf> Anyone knows what to do?
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1818[18:00:49] <hj6452> hi
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1821[18:01:29] <hj6452> I tried googling about the topic... but didn't find anything particularly helpful. Can someone recommend a CAD type 3D modelling program that would allow creating drawings for simple structures..?
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1834[18:08:23] <pcdummy> hj6452: replaced-url
1835[18:09:06] <pcdummy> hj6452: yes, ubuntu .. sorry channel
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1847[18:15:52] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1848[18:16:00] <tobiasBora> I've a computer with a problem :
1849[18:16:26] <TomTomTo1> most of the cad software listed on that site is packaged for debian too.
1850[18:16:35] <tobiasBora> When I boot the bios gives me The smart hard disk check has detected an imminent failure".
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1853[18:17:52] <tobiasBora> I tried to boot on linux on usb, and their is a very strange thing : the hard drive is not really recognised : lsblk gives me only /dev/sda which looks like a hard drive... and it is only 8Mo !
1854[18:18:09] <Richard_Cavell> tobiasBora: Yep, you've got a problem
1855[18:18:10] <tobiasBora> I tried Gparted, nothing more
1856[18:18:21] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, it's probably your usb flash drive, is it 8GB perhaps? ;-P
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1859[18:18:42] <tobiasBora> toruvinn: no, it's 8M, and my usb is in /dev/sdb
1860[18:18:52] <toruvinn> hmf.
1861[18:18:52] <tobiasBora> and fdisk -l gives me for /dev/sda :
1862[18:18:54] <tobiasBora> Disque /dev/sda : 8 MiB, 8388608 octets, 16384 secteur
1863[18:19:03] <grawity> can you check `udevadm info /dev/sda`
1864[18:19:04] <tobiasBora> octets = bytes
1865[18:19:14] <tobiasBora> secteur = sector
1866[18:19:17] <tobiasBora> disque = disk
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1868[18:20:17] <pcdummy> tobiasBora: install "smartmontools" on the live system
1869[18:20:24] <toruvinn> i'd also check smartctl -a /dev/sda
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1871[18:21:05] <pcdummy> toruvinn: you already did...
1872[18:21:12] <pcdummy> toruvinn: what does it give?
1873[18:21:34] <toruvinn> pcdummy, hm?
1874[18:22:01] <toruvinn> pcdummy, are you sure you're talking to the right person? ;-)
1875[18:22:06] * tobiasBora is proceeding
1876[18:22:27] <pcdummy> toruvinn: aehm no :)
1877[18:22:44] <pcdummy> toruvinn: aehm i stop chating with all peps at once ... will go one by one :)
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1879[18:22:54] <toruvinn> ;-)
1880[18:23:13] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, out of curiosity, is that an SSD?
1881[18:24:03] <toruvinn> you should really first deremine it's your drive, though. can be anything, although hard to imagine any recent-ish storage with just 8MB, even SD cards are supercheap now so...
1882[18:24:08] <tobiasBora> You can find the output of udevadm info /dev/sda here :
1883[18:24:23] <tobiasBora> replaced-url
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1885[18:24:38] <toruvinn> it's SSD, heh.
1886[18:25:15] <toruvinn> replaced-url
1887[18:25:46] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, I sure hope you have backups.
1888[18:25:49] <tobiasBora> looks strange indeed
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1890[18:26:39] <tobiasBora> it's a HP pavilion dm4, so I don't think it's a SSD.
1891[18:26:58] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, according to those forums (didnt read all of it!) it's possible you just have a firmware bug and flashing new firmware may fix the SSD (im guessing, though, you'll lose the data)
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1893[18:27:10] <pcdummy> toruvinn, tobiasBora: that one is bad (40GB Intel SSD bug)
1894[18:27:36] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, well INTEL_SSDSA2BW160G3H_BAD_CTX_0000013F suggests it is. the BAD_CTX_0000013F serial can be caused by that bug, as seen on those forums.
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1896[18:28:48] <tobiasBora> it looks so strnage for me it's a ssd, but it's not my computer
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1900[18:30:43] <toruvinn> replaced-url
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1902[18:31:09] <toruvinn> tobiasBora, i'm not sure how to answer that. all the signs point to you having that drive, so saying it's a different one... well, can't help you ;-P
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1907[18:32:49] <tobiasBora> The computer is a HP Pavilion dm4, on the internet it's supposed to be a 750Go hard drive, strange
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1916[18:40:27] <tobiasBora> I'll halt the drive and check the reference on the drive
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1923[18:45:43] <tobiasBora> I can read "Ronaldo HDD Cable"
1924[18:45:51] <tobiasBora> on the connector...
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1929[18:49:01] <hj6452> Thanks tobias & TomTom
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1947[18:58:13] <tobiasBora> Indeed, it's a 160G SSD.
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1950[18:58:58] <traker> hi
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1952[18:59:27] <traker> algun español?
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1955[19:00:18] <tobiasBora> and unfortunatly my friend does not have backup in the last 2 months, so it would be great if it's possible to recover some data on it
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1962[19:07:15] <tobiasBora> Here is the smartctl output
1963[19:07:33] <tobiasBora> replaced-url
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1966[19:08:40] <tobiasBora> I will try the firmware flash, but I don't know how to do that, any idea would be welcome
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1985[19:18:25] <kocane> odd thing happening on my server.. when i write reboot or shutdown -r now it does not show the broadcast message that it is shutting down
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1987[19:18:32] <newcoder> There is a command "which" , which package contains "which" command?
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1989[19:19:07] <kocane> instead, it just looks like it "re-logins" into ssh, i.e. it shows the welcome message and all that and lets me type commands but after 10 seconds time it just stops working, meaning that the server is actaully restarting
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1999[19:22:01] <Its_over_9000> is there a way i could get portage to work on debian?
2000[19:22:10] <TomTomTo1> ,file bin/which
2001[19:22:13] <judd> Search for bin/which in jessie/amd64: debianutils: bin/which, usr/bin/which
2002[19:22:19] <TomTomTo1> newcoder: ^
2003[19:22:25] <Its_over_9000> newcoder: not you again
2004[19:22:41] <Its_over_9000> stop going around in channels and asking this
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2009[19:24:22] <newcoder> TomTomTo1: /bin/which: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable , how is it installed here in /bin ?
2010[19:24:32] <newcoder> When does it install /bin/which?
2011[19:25:14] <TomTomTo1> it comes with the package debianutils, which the debian installer installs.
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2016[19:27:03] <oty> ho my. I have a debian box that was supposed to only work with a private cert given on a certain port. Now I just saw that I could login as any user on any port, with no key or password at all, and it works. What the hell did I miss in the /etc/sshd config ? :(
2017[19:27:23] <hever> Hello. It seems my Luks header of an encrypted disk was corrupted. But I still know the password and want to open the data, can I somehow restore it or just skip it and force to openit?
2018[19:27:25] <grawity> "on any port"? how does *that* work?
2019[19:27:52] <grawity> hever: the header contains the actual encryption keys required for opening it; a password isn't enough
2020[19:28:00] <hever> oh no
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2022[19:28:21] <oty> grawity, I have no idea. it's not supposed to work that way :p
2023[19:28:33] <hever> It might be, that the header was just moved as it seems there is a header when I perform a search and hexdump it.
2024[19:28:53] <oty> grawity, this server also host a webserver on port 80. But I can connect with ssh -p 80
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2026[19:29:02] <oty> I have no clue what is hapenning there.
2027[19:29:07] <hever> grawity, it gives me: "Device /dev/sda1 is not a valid LUKS device."
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2030[19:29:44] <hever> root@workstation:~# hexdump -C /dev/sda | grep '|LUKS' gives me: 00040000 4c 55 4b 53 ba be 00 01 61 65 73 00 00 00 00 00 |LUKS....aes.....|
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2032[19:29:55] <hever> so it seems its still there?
2033[19:30:03] <hever> but perhaps just a bit corrupted?
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2042[19:31:18] <jelly> hever, does your sda1 partition start on 512th sector?
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2046[19:31:51] <hever> jelly, no: /dev/sda1 2048 11702087646 11702085599 5.5T Linux filesystem
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2053[19:34:19] <tobiasBora> I found the process to update the firmware. I will test it, but if you have any idea to recover the data, I would be happy to hear about it
2054[19:34:24] <hever> jelly, but losetup -o 512 /dev/loop1 /dev/sda and cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop1 data give me as well Device /dev/loop1 is not a valid LUKS device.
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2056[19:34:48] <hever> so just to be clear: the header seems still to be there right? and I just have to find the right starting sector?
2057[19:35:05] <jelly> hever, well then, you won't be able to see that LUKS header starting before the parttion.
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2059[19:36:37] <hever> jelly, sry didn't understand you, what do you mean?
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2063[19:37:50] <jelly> hever, far as I can tell, 0x40000 bytes is 512x512 bytes, and my working luks device has that right right at the beginning
2064[19:38:49] <jelly> hever, which unit does losetup -o take?
2065[19:39:23] <hever> The data start is moved offset bytes into the specified file or device.
2066[19:39:30] <jelly> so, bytes
2067[19:39:48] <jelly> give it 0x40000 (262144) then, not 512
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2071[19:41:41] <hever> whow... could decrypt it, great! now I've to repair the fs...
2072[19:42:01] <jelly> you'll want to repair your partition table
2073[19:44:06] <hever> jelly, definetly... but I'm still getting: e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/data
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2076[19:44:44] <jelly> tread carefully
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2078[19:46:18] <jelly> hever, which debian release is this? Did you have LVM in place or just LUKS?
2079[19:46:21] <hever> jelly, I already tried alternate superblocks, but just the ones that where specified there as example
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2081[19:46:27] <hever> debian8
2082[19:46:32] <hever> no lvm
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2085[19:48:06] <jelly> what does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/mapper/data" say and does it look like the right size for your filesystem?
2086[19:48:50] <jelly> hever, pastebin the outputs of "lsblk" and "blkid" and "pvs" for good measure
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2092[19:50:51] <hever> jelly, replaced-url
2093[19:51:26] <hever> I'm trying to access an ext4 partition on a cryptsetup luks encrypted RAID device
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2105[19:54:42] <jelly> interesting, blkid did not find any format on /dev/mapper/data
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2108[19:55:44] <jelly> hever, what does "file -Ls /dev/mapper/data" say?
2109[19:56:08] <Torvalds> i claimed this nick!!
2110[19:56:41] <hever> jelly, I just tried mke2fs -n /dev/mapper/data to determine other superblock position but it seems none is working...
2111[19:56:43] <jelly> Torvalds, good for you. Do you have a Debian tech support question?
2112[19:57:19] <Torvalds> yes, i asked it but noone answered me.
2113[19:57:57] <hever> jelly, /dev/mapper/data: data
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2115[19:59:14] <jelly> Torvalds, what was it? I can't be bothered to track your nickname changes
2116[19:59:59] <jelly> hever, maybe the luks header you found wasn't the only/right one
2117[20:00:00] <Torvalds> 2:01 <Its_over_9000> is there a way i could get portage to work on debian?
2118[20:00:19] <Torvalds> or something similar, besides having dpkg for binaries?
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2121[20:00:54] <jelly> !portage
2122[20:00:54] <dpkg> methinks portage is the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python
2123[20:00:56] <OverCoder> Hello everyone
2124[20:01:20] <jelly> Torvalds, what's your goal getting a source-based system running?
2125[20:01:23] <hever> jelly, it knew my password... and it made sense where it was, right...
2126[20:01:26] <teraflops> dpkg-source and build the package
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2131[20:03:30] <jelly> hever, I guess you'll have to search for something that looks like ext4 inside /dev/mapper/data
2132[20:04:45] <hever> I'm trying testdisk at the moment ... do you have an idea what I could search?
2133[20:04:55] <jelly> Torvalds, usually people who experiment rebuilding the whole debian do it by setting up the debian buildd system, this is part of how a new architecture is bootstrapped
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2135[20:05:26] <teraflops> I know a christmas carol: roses are red, violets are blue, if you don't mind compile times, install gentoo
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2137[20:06:15] <jelly> hever, something that looks like an ext4 superblock?
2138[20:06:41] <jelly> gpart may or may not be helpful. I used it a long time ago
2139[20:06:43] <Ticho_> hever: what about "vgscan" or "pvscan"? perhaps that devmapper device is a lvm volume
2140[20:07:01] <hever> Ticho_, its no lvm volume it was a simple ext4 partition
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2142[20:07:03] <jelly> I did ask for "pvs" output.
2143[20:07:31] <jelly> hever, do you have the root filesystem for that installation, can you pastebin /etc/fstab ?
2144[20:08:02] <hever> its not listed in /etc/fstab it's a RAID data partition manually set up
2145[20:08:21] <jelly> do you mount it manually on every boot?
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2148[20:09:26] <hever> jelly, I just set up the system, and it's a big raid array (which will be extended) and I'm using a password to encrypt it when I'm using it
2149[20:09:35] <hever> decrypt
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2151[20:09:52] <jelly> hever, and you do not have /etc/crypttab either?
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2153[20:10:15] <hever> not yet... for two other devices, not for this
2154[20:10:19] <LinuxNovice> hello, can anybody tell me which distro or DE is suitable for raspberry pi?
2155[20:10:37] <jelly> hever, did you have any unique data on that fs?
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2160[20:10:59] <hever> but I'm sure whats on it... and I'm very thankful that we got so far to be able to decrypt it. I just have to reconstruct the filesystem somehow
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2162[20:11:25] <jelly> hever, do you know which tool has broken the partition table?
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2164[20:11:40] <hever> jelly, yes I just migrated an old softraid to this new hardware raid, during adding the disks of the old array to the new one a problem occoured.
2165[20:12:02] <jelly> so you don't have the old copy any more?
2166[20:12:10] <teraflops> LinuxNovice: which model?
2167[20:12:15] <TomTomTo1> LinuxNovice: the ones they feature on their website. replaced-url
2168[20:12:22] <jelly> hever, and I suppose you don't have any backups?
2169[20:12:34] <hever> I already restored the array to this state without writing to the data, so just metadata should be written
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2171[20:13:00] <hever> jelly, exactly. it was to extend the 5TB array... I had no options for backing up 5TB
2172[20:13:45] <jelly> hever, is it possible you mismanaged the geometry / array member order during this restore of the array?
2173[20:13:54] <LinuxNovice> I don't know exactly which model it is. Actually, my friend has it and is in need of a Linux os for it.
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2175[20:14:09] <LinuxNovice> is debian suited for it?
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2177[20:14:25] <teraflops> LinuxNovice: tell your friend to ask himself we don't bite
2178[20:14:29] <hever> jelly, I assume there can't be a copy of the luks header... there can be just one and this must be the right one. It worked with my password, it accepted it. So at the moment I think im one step before restoring the ext4 data.
2179[20:14:31] <jelly> hever, this might be why luks header is seemingly in the wrong place
2180[20:14:46] <hever> I think cryptsetup should have told me if the decryption would have a problem?
2181[20:14:49] <jelly> luks isn't very smart.
2182[20:15:13] <LinuxNovice> I came across this channel, as I use linux more often. Thought of helping him out.
2183[20:15:52] <jelly> it will just transcript data from encrypted to decrypted, but _I think_ it does not know if the encrypted blocks are in wrong order
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2186[20:16:44] <hever> might be that the decryption had a problem... can I verify this somehow?
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2188[20:17:28] <jelly> hever, again, luks isn't that smart
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2190[20:17:46] <jelly> if you managed to luksOpen, that's it
2191[20:18:03] <LinuxNovice> and btw, can I make debian run on an android tablet through a live usb? or any other linux disto?
2192[20:18:36] <exa_ways> how can I find out the name of a package if apt search nameOfInstalledSoftware does not show anything at all?
2193[20:18:47] <grawity> LinuxNovice: on bare hardware – with great difficulties; Debian probably doesn't have drivers for 90% of the tablet's hardware
2194[20:18:53] <grawity> LinuxNovice: nor for that matter most other distros
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2196[20:19:05] <grawity> exa_ways: dpkg -S /usr/bin/whatever
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2199[20:20:11] <jelly> hever, see if someone in #device-mapper or #lvm has a clue wrt verifying sanity of luks, that probably the closest to cryptsetup/luks
2200[20:20:15] <LinuxNovice> ok
2201[20:20:38] <jelly> exa_ways, apt-cache search keyword
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2211[20:25:00] <exa_ways> ah thanks. guess I need glasses. It was a capital I not a l. =)
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2215[20:26:24] <styler2go> Hi i have 3 HDDs in one LVM and want to reinstall linux on the 4th HDD. Is there soemthing i need to backup so that i won't lose the data on my LVM HDDs?
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2230[20:32:09] <hever> jelly, hmm... perhaps somethin was corrupted I just don't get why it could be encrypted then. thanks anyway!
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2234[20:33:38] <lawnodor> fuck you crooked nigger dick suckin Nazi/Jew little girl murdering trash...you goddamn bastards don't fuckin deserve to live.
2235[20:33:44] <jelly> hever, there is no "legal" or "illegal" data for encryption with luks. You can write random data in the middle of your encrypted devices, then luksOpen it, and _something_ will be decrypted
2236[20:34:03] <lawnodor> you try to steal the wives of doctors and hand them to murderers...fuck you goddamn scum
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2241[20:34:48] <hever> jelly, yes... but the header was there so the data should be as well, as I didn't modify anythin on the data side... just metadata... I think its some searching around thing...
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2247[20:35:39] <hever> jelly, interstingly I can't rechange the partition layout. I want to start at 2 but I could only start a 2048
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2249[20:35:48] <hever> when I'm recreating the partition table
2250[20:35:57] <jelly> which tool are you using
2251[20:36:02] <hever> fdisk
2252[20:36:19] <jelly> fdisk, on a 6TB device?
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2254[20:36:35] <jelly> does it work with gpt these days?
2255[20:36:40] <hever> why not it's GPT capable...
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2257[20:37:19] <jelly> switch to sectors as units
2258[20:38:35] <jelly> your data is probably there, but possibly mixed up
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2262[20:38:52] <hever> it seems fdisk has no longer that option...
2263[20:38:54] <hever> yes
2264[20:39:22] <jelly> does it still have expert mode
2265[20:39:42] <hever> yes but somehow not that much in it...
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2270[20:42:08] <hever> jelly, gpart shows: First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 11702087646
2271[20:42:17] <hever> so I can't change the partition...
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2276[20:44:23] <jelly> hever, what do you mean you can't? The current first sector is 2048, and you can delete the partition and create a new one starting at 512
2277[20:45:06] <hever> hmm I thought Logical sector size: 512 bytes means I've to start at 2
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2279[20:45:19] <hever> but of course
2280[20:45:22] <hever> got it
2281[20:45:25] <jelly> how the fuck does that make sense
2282[20:45:30] <hever> sry ;)
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2287[20:47:01] <jelly> my theory is still the geometry got borked somehow, that would explain the unusual starting point and also nothing found after decrypting
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2289[20:47:29] <jelly> s/nothing/no filesystem header/
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2291[20:47:48] <hever> I'm with you
2292[20:48:24] <jelly> that would mean you still ought to be able to find that ext4 superblock, but probably not be able to mount
2293[20:49:28] <hever> yes I really should be able to find the ext4 stuff...
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2295[20:50:18] <jelly> if that is true, you'll have to figure out the correct geometry (order of array members, stripe size, offset for the hw raid format) to be able to reassemble stuff in right order
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2298[20:51:08] <jelly> which... sounds fun from an "thank $DEITY _I_ don't have to do it" point of view
2299[20:51:21] <hever> jelly, ah intersting... you think probably the devices were assebled in the wrong order?
2300[20:51:32] <jelly> that's a working theory
2301[20:51:35] <hever> yes
2302[20:51:42] <exa_ways> Second day I have not visited the old wife osx grumpy cougar. And I do not miss her at all. Only thing maybe textmate...
2303[20:51:45] <hever> its a bit hard to tell the adapter the order...
2304[20:51:48] <hever> thanks
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2306[20:53:26] <hever> hmm but the order shouldn't really matter...
2307[20:53:32] <hever> it's RAID 5
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2324[21:05:25] <hiyo> I'm having a very odd issue, netfilter-persistent.service fails to start at boot (which means it doesn't reload my saved iptables rules) but if I start it manually from the CLI aftwarrds, it works just fine with no complaint
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2365[21:32:14] <pcdummy> hiyo: I'm not using netfilter-persistent, but did you check the logs?
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2375[21:36:33] <baum> I'm currently setting up a new server with jessie. Which made me question: would it make sense to use nftables from backports, or would it be better to just go with the iptables?
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2450[22:52:23] <n4dir> i tried to post in vim, let me try here, if in doubt ignore (that is: vim question):
2451[22:52:27] <n4dir> how can i remove all <(date)><name>: i copied and pasted to a file. Like this: (10:27:14 PM) n4dir: thank you (-> result should be "thank you")
2452[22:53:54] <n4dir> try and error, finally: :%s/.*://g --- sorry for the noise
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2479[23:12:03] <roadrunna> having trouble installing nvidia latest drivers on debian jessie 4.8 kernel. noveaou seems to be unstable for kodi and crashes on me.
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2482[23:13:46] <Vizva> you have optimus ?
2483[23:14:00] <Vizva> roadrunna
2484[23:14:17] <roadrunna> Don;t think so.
2485[23:14:29] <Vizva> only one nvidia
2486[23:14:39] <roadrunna> Have an old geforce 560 Ti.
2487[23:14:45] <roadrunna> yes one nvidia
2488[23:14:45] <teraflops> nouveau uses kernel driver and youre using a backported kernel
2489[23:15:09] <roadrunna> I see.
2490[23:15:19] <teraflops> just saying
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2492[23:15:23] <teraflops> ,v kodi
2493[23:15:24] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.0~beta5+dfsg1-4; sid: 2:17.0~beta6+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo8
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2495[23:15:59] <roadrunna> How would I correct this?
2496[23:16:26] <teraflops> no idea, you didn't specify the error/s
2497[23:17:01] <roadrunna> Weel was just looking to install nvidia. Havent looked at logs or anything.
2498[23:17:08] <roadrunna> well*
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2500[23:17:20] <martinjungblut> roadrunna: do you have experience installing proprietary nvidia drivers?
2501[23:17:39] <roadrunna> In other distors yes. I'm pretty new to debian.
2502[23:17:50] <martinjungblut> roadrunna: get the nvidia-driver package
2503[23:18:02] <RichardG867> hey all, I'm trying to install debian in some bay trail motherboard (I'm well aware of the kernel bugs with those) but it's being surprisingly stubborn with regards to grub
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2506[23:18:22] <martinjungblut> roadrunna: it will install all the dependencies you need and blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d
2507[23:18:24] <RichardG867> the system installs successfully, but grub won't start, it just sits at a blinking cursor a line down.
2508[23:18:38] <RichardG867> the motherboard has no BIOS updates available
2509[23:18:43] <RichardG867> I guess syslinux can be a workaround?
2510[23:18:50] <roadrunna> yes I tried but I get replaced-url
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2513[23:20:34] <Vizva> replaced-url
2514[23:20:43] <Vizva> did you read that
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2516[23:21:21] <roadrunna> do the drivers listed there work for the 4.8 kernel?
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2520[23:23:33] <Vizva> is your kernel from jessie-backports?
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2522[23:24:02] <roadrunna> 4.8.0-2-amd64
2523[23:24:06] <roadrunna> Not too sure.
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2525[23:24:17] <teraflops> ,v nvidia-diver
2526[23:24:18] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-diver' was found in amd64.
2527[23:24:27] <teraflops> oops
2528[23:24:31] <teraflops> ,v nvidia-driver
2529[23:24:32] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 367.57-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.20-4; sid/non-free: 375.26-1
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2532[23:25:32] <roadrunna> Do I need to add stretch to my sources list?
2533[23:25:44] <roadrunna> Not sure what I'm looking at
2534[23:25:45] <teraflops> roadrunna: you didn't paste the command you run, it was with -t jessie-backports or without it?
2535[23:25:57] <roadrunna> without
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2538[23:27:50] <teraflops> roadrunna: to be honest I dont run debian on desktops but it seems to me you need -t jessie backports, anyway im pretty sure here is people with more knowledge than me regarding your issue
2539[23:28:02] <Vizva> for me with such a problem i will do a search for "4.8.0-2-amd64 NVIDIA" and read everything and later understand it
2540[23:28:24] <roadrunna> Yeah I usually don;t either just thought I'd give it a try and see how well it works.
2541[23:28:24] <Vizva> Add jessie-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:
2542[23:28:35] <Vizva> you have this on your sources?
2543[23:29:01] <roadrunna> yes
2544[23:29:29] <Vizva> Or if you are already using a Linux kernel from jessie-backports:
2545[23:29:29] <Vizva> # apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
2546[23:29:35] <Vizva> and this for example
2547[23:29:51] <Vizva> you did ?
2548[23:30:05] <roadrunna> linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (4.8+77
2549[23:30:23] <Vizva> Then we can install the package nvidia-driver.
2550[23:30:24] <Vizva> # apt-get update
2551[23:30:24] <Vizva> # apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
2552[23:30:32] <Vizva> you did too?
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2554[23:30:37] <roadrunna> yes,sir.
2555[23:30:44] <roadrunna> Was reading that guide
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2558[23:30:58] <Vizva> and you restart
2559[23:31:06] <Vizva> wht say the rror now?
2560[23:31:12] <Vizva> error
2561[23:31:26] <roadrunna> Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 367.57-2~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
2562[23:32:03] <roadrunna> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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2565[23:32:52] <Vizva> its not jessie you run?
2566[23:32:57] * unborn ....just note: btw 340.96 for nvidia even from backports not working at least for me, system will get silently broken packages.. installation will stuck on setting some part of driver forever..
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2568[23:33:25] <roadrunna> Yes Debian 8
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2570[23:33:41] <unborn> roadrunna: which one you are installing? 340.96 or other one?
2571[23:34:08] <roadrunna> I tried 3.40 bt was getting unresolved symbols when loading it on the 4.8 kernel
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2574[23:34:15] <roadrunna> 340 I mean
2575[23:34:50] <pfred1> roadrunna try running depmod -a
2576[23:34:54] <roadrunna> k
2577[23:35:13] <roadrunna> didn;t return anything
2578[23:35:21] <pfred1> does it work now?
2579[23:35:57] <unborn> yeah roadrunna same here.. my hardware is old a bit and I had no luck to install it.. (my gfc is listed there as supported) and I tried both on fresh installs..
2580[23:36:52] <roadrunna> Im on nouveau pfred1 my issues is trying to install nvidia proprietary driver.
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2582[23:37:18] <pfred1> yeah I've heard they dropped upport
2583[23:37:23] <pfred1> support even
2584[23:37:48] <roadrunna> which is bad cause nouveau seems to be causing me problems
2585[23:38:00] <unborn> yap I think same
2586[23:38:04] <pfred1> I never liked nouveau
2587[23:38:06] <roadrunna> kodi keeps crashing and desktop is pretty usntable chromium crashes
2588[23:38:35] <unborn> whats the graphics roadrunna ?
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2590[23:38:58] <roadrunna> I guess downgrading kernel to use the 340 drivers is an option.
2591[23:39:07] <roadrunna> gtx 560 Ti
2592[23:39:11] <pfred1> or you can use the run file
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2594[23:39:19] <unborn> ah
2595[23:39:33] <roadrunna> run file works?
2596[23:39:42] <roadrunna> hmm
2597[23:39:43] <pfred1> but using the run file is a pain because everytime the kernel gets upgraded you have to reinstall it
2598[23:39:44] <towo`> don't use the run file
2599[23:40:00] <towo`> pfred1, wrong
2600[23:40:13] <pfred1> towo` whtever you say
2601[23:40:22] <towo`> kernel updates do nogt make problems, since the run file provide dkms support
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2603[23:40:34] <pfred1> but in my experience that's what happens when you install the run file
2604[23:40:46] <towo`> the problems begin with x-server or mesa updatates
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2606[23:41:20] <pfred1> so you just pin everything so it doesn't upgrade
2607[23:41:31] <unborn> roadrunna: you can get it work from file on nvidia website, if there is install file but if anything will be updated in future in xorg or anything to do with it, then it will break it up.. I use NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] - terrible crap for linux, however since its quadro I am able to intel part on it
2608[23:41:38] <towo`> why? debian provides nvidia-driver
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2611[23:42:22] <pfred1> in testing they dropped support for 340
2612[23:42:24] <roadrunna> Yes ,but Im having problems installing it
2613[23:42:54] <towo`> gtx560 does not need the legacy driver
2614[23:43:17] <unborn> roadrunna: as I said, I was not able to install it.. installation process just hang out forever and never finished
2615[23:43:35] <roadrunna> accoridng to the supported page it does not. Im trying to get 375-26-1 but encounter errors
2616[23:43:38] <towo`> 367.57-2~bpo8 from backports should work fine
2617[23:43:42] <unborn> means it does not working.. so I think I am not alone
2618[23:44:17] <roadrunna> nvidia-driver : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 367.57-2~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed
2619[23:44:35] <towo`> roadrunna, what are you doing?
2620[23:44:40] <Vizva> this driver you try is legacy?
2621[23:44:55] <towo`> 367.xx is not a legacy one
2622[23:44:55] <roadrunna> trying to install nvidia proprietary driver
2623[23:45:05] <roadrunna> to work for 4.8 kernel
2624[23:45:09] <towo`> roadrunna, show the complete command you use
2625[23:45:26] <roadrunna> sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
2626[23:46:22] <towo`> what does 'apt -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-driver' say?
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2628[23:47:37] <roadrunna> replaced-url
2629[23:47:54] <roadrunna> another list of dependencies it can not install.
2630[23:48:44] <towo`> roadrunna, you are sure you have a clean jessie running?
2631[23:49:00] <towo`> what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core say?
2632[23:49:12] * pfred1 likes loose dirty Jessy
2633[23:49:22] <roadrunna> server-xorg-core:
2634[23:49:23] <roadrunna> Installed: 2:1.19.0-3
2635[23:49:23] <roadrunna> Candidate: 2:1.19.0-3
2636[23:49:34] <Vizva> i think you should use an older driver#
2637[23:49:36] <towo`> that's not jessie
2638[23:49:44] <Vizva> use=try
2639[23:49:44] <towo`> Vizva, wrong
2640[23:49:53] <nkuttler> ,v server-xorg-core
2641[23:49:54] <judd> No package named 'server-xorg-core' was found in amd64.
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2643[23:50:04] <nkuttler> ,v xserver-xorg-core
2644[23:50:05] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; stretch: 2:1.19.0-2; sid: 2:1.19.0-3
2645[23:50:25] <nkuttler> !tell roadrunna about debian-next
2646[23:50:26] <roadrunna> It sure was debian 8 when I installed it not sure if all this messing around screwed it up
2647[23:50:52] <towo`> roadrunna, xserver 1.19 is not in stable
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2650[23:51:12] <towo`> and 367.xx will never work with that xserver version
2651[23:51:41] <roadrunna> what version do I need? How can I install it?
2652[23:51:42] <pfred1> I had that problem with intel gfx
2653[23:51:43] <towo`> you would need 375.20 or 375.26
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2655[23:51:50] <Vizva> this is what i want to say alll the time, update your system to the last
2656[23:51:59] <roadrunna> yes I tried getting those too I can post the error
2657[23:52:02] <towo`> Vizva, wrong
2658[23:52:27] <towo`> people who don't know, what thy do, shouldn't use testing or unstable
2659[23:52:37] <x_> truth
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2661[23:52:45] <x_> i've been that guy more than once
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2663[23:52:49] <Vizva> i dont say unstable
2664[23:52:52] <roadrunna> replaced-url
2665[23:52:52] <unborn> me too :)
2666[23:53:02] <Vizva> update to stable but update
2667[23:53:11] <pfred1> I ran testing once when stable was broken
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2670[23:53:41] <martinjungblut> pfred1: stable was broken and testing was more stable?
2671[23:53:51] <pfred1> martinjungblut that day it was
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2673[23:54:10] <martinjungblut> I've ran sid for about two years without any issues, but moved to stable in order to stay in sync with our servers
2674[23:54:12] <pfred1> it was the day before Squeeze came out
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2676[23:54:22] <Vizva> update to the last in stable and try again
2677[23:54:34] <Serbian> merry christmas
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2679[23:54:51] <towo`> Vizva, if he would have stable, he would not have xserver 1.19
2680[23:55:01] <x_> happy holidays, Serbian
2681[23:55:06] <towo`> Vizva, so he at minimum has testing
2682[23:55:08] <Serbian> thx
2683[23:55:12] <pfred1> theoretically the X server should have been able to handle my graphics adapter yet it couldn't
2684[23:55:14] <Vizva> it looks like he have a confusing system
2685[23:55:15] <Serbian> but i celebrate 7 january
2686[23:55:30] <roadrunna> Maybe that was a result of a guide I was following in order to install the nvidia driver Not sure if I messed up my sources list
2687[23:55:36] <Vizva> if it confuse me so i set up again
2688[23:55:45] <towo`> roadrunna, you sure have
2689[23:55:55] <Vizva> fresh install and before backup your data
2690[23:56:23] <roadrunna> If I do that do I need jessie backports nvidia driver?
2691[23:56:42] <towo`> yes
2692[23:56:42] <pfred1> just run Jessie
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2694[23:57:03] <Vizva> make it fresh so it stop confuse everything
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2696[23:57:17] <roadrunna> Is there a way to just fix my system the way it is and go back to stable packages only?
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2700[23:58:52] <Vizva> we dont know all your actions
2701[23:58:56] <Vizva> in the past
2702[23:59:07] <Vizva> so we cannot give this information
2703[23:59:11] <Vizva> you must give
2704[23:59:46] <roadrunna> Thought it might just be as simple as fixing my sources file
2705[23:59:57] <roadrunna> or something but if I have to fresh install I will
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