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50 [00:48:21] <asterismo> can i apt-build world in now archived
debian wheezy?
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68 [01:08:11] <b1ack0p> hi
69 [01:08:16] <b1ack0p> i installed debian on vm
70 [01:08:20] <b1ack0p> but resolution sux
71 [01:08:36] <b1ack0p> it doesnt let me set correct resolution
since i cant scroll down to select
72 [01:08:45] <b1ack0p> it doesnt scale correctly on the screen
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75 [01:09:12] <b1ack0p> default resolution is 800x600
76 [01:09:16] <b1ack0p> how can i set correct one?
77 [01:09:22] <dreamer> "on vm"
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79 [01:09:32] <dreamer> that doesn't tell us anything about
your system
80 [01:09:38] <dreamer> which vm software are you using?
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82 [01:09:49] <b1ack0p> vbox
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84 [01:10:04] <dreamer> in virtualbox you can say what kind of
screen your vm should get
85 [01:10:56] <b1ack0p> where?
86 [01:10:57] <dreamer> you should probably ask this in a
support room for virtualbox
87 [01:11:28] <b1ack0p> :/
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89 [01:12:44] <dreamer> what.
90 [01:13:09] <b1ack0p> i found the setting but resolutions are
greyed out doesnt let me choose
91 [01:13:27] <b1ack0p> top menu > view > virtual screen 1
92 [01:13:27] <dreamer> you may need to install guest additions
to allow for modifying this
93 [01:13:34] <sponix> b1ack0p: is there any chance that you
have installed the extensions to virtualbox, and the guest additions
to Debian inside the VM ?
94 [01:14:52] <b1ack0p> ok
95 [01:14:55] <dreamer> 'guest additions' allows for
more integrations and options, like virtual graphics card and human
input devices
96 [01:15:03] <b1ack0p> no i didnt install guest additions
97 [01:15:11] <dreamer> there should be an option to install
that in one of the dropdowns
98 [01:15:11] <b1ack0p> i am doing now
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101 [01:18:09] <b1ack0p> is 8gb enough for debian 10?
102 [01:18:19] <rk4> yes
103 [01:18:21] <b1ack0p> if not can i expand it later?
104 [01:19:19] <rk4> depends on specifics, it's often not
too much work to expand, sometimes it is more work
105 [01:20:28] <b1ack0p> ok
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137 [02:01:09] <Sark> Is there a convenient way to display the
key code being submitted? I'm trynig to remap some keys in
screen, but I'm not sure what code the combination I want to
remap sends, or for that matter, what the code for the destination
key is.
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144 [02:04:10] <nkuttler> Sark: xev
145 [02:04:28] <Sark> That's in xwindows though.
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147 [02:05:16] <sney> xkb was separated from x11 and is also used
in wayland, afaik. so it's probably still xev
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149 [02:05:37] <Sark> I'm working with screen though, and
not in X.
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152 [02:07:13] <Sark> I'm trying to work around the lack of
page up/page down keys, so I'm hoping I can rebind
control-uparrow to page up, etc. I know screen supports key
rebinding, I just don't know what command a control up arrow
would send, or what command to map it to in order to get page up.
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158 [02:18:22] <EdePopede> Sark: there is one, trying to remember
its name. usually keycodes, with -s scancodes, exits after 10s with
no keypress. now the name....
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160 [02:20:14] <EdePopede> showkey
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176 [02:35:56] <Sark> EdePopede: Thanks! That's a very
useful tool and just what I was looking for.
177 [02:36:21] <Sark> I knew there had to be something like that,
just... didn't come up in Google searches and I wasn't
sure where to look (or really what to search for).
178 [02:36:37] <Sark> Unfortunately, it would seem you can't
do a control up arrow, becauseL
179 [02:36:53] <Sark> up arrow already has a control in it...
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181 [02:37:07] <Sark> But there are two other keys I can remap
that produce normal codes.
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185 [02:39:37] <brettgilio> `rmadison obs-studio` is showing
26.0.0 for testing. but `apt source obs-studio` is pulling 25.0.8
and packages.debian.org is at 25.0.8. any ideas?
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195 [02:47:32] <sponix> ,v obs-studio
196 [02:47:33] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch:
0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye:
25.0.8+dfsg1-3+b1; sid: 26.0.0+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia:
1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1+deb10u1;
bullseye-multimedia: 1:26.0.0-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:26.0.1-dmo1
197 [02:47:58] <sney> brettgilio: in the future, please
don't crosspost.
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199 [02:49:45] <sponix> brettgilio: 26 is available as a flatpak,
if you are into those
200 [02:50:12] <sney> and 26 is in sid right now and will hit
testing in the next ~3 days
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202 [02:51:47] <Sark> Ah hah. Got it working. Now I can do pageup
and pagedown in IRC and view the scrollback.
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206 [02:52:58] <brettgilio> sney: thanks, sorry
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260 [04:14:07] <Urk> Is anyone familiar with SX? I did a search
for free cloud storage in the Debian Repo, and that is what I came
up with.
261 [04:14:28] * dvs looks at his 486
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268 [04:19:54] <Urk> I'm looking for a secure free cloud for
backup storage.
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270 [04:20:48] <sney> free cloud storage is unlikely to be
secure.
271 [04:21:00] <joepublic> You want to keep your files on someone
else's computer, but you want that situation to be
"secure", in other words.
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273 [04:24:16] <sney> looks like sx was removed for being python2
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325 [05:26:12] <Lope> ratrace, thanks bud: `systemctl restart
systemd-timesyncd` does the trick inside a VM when I resume it after
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326 [05:26:46] <Lope> I find it interesting that the 5.8 kernel
doesn't have a way to realize that hours have passed and
it's time is old.
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353 [06:14:01] <ryouma> so this is not a troll but a serious
question. i understnd init to be process 1, and so it takes care of
spawning processes. i am not sure what else it does. sysv that is.
but systemd, could it be described as "like the kernel but in
userspace"? i.e. handling all system stuff there?
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357 [06:17:59] <ansimita> ryouma:
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361 [06:20:32] <rk4> 'like the kernel but in userspace'
isn't a useful mental model imho
362 [06:21:06] <ryouma> i am just a user but what would be a good
mental model?
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366 [06:22:54] <ryouma> ansimita: thanks. that page says process
spawner but i think they,or at least systemd, seem to do more than
that.
367 [06:22:59] <ryouma> seems to*
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371 [06:29:58] <ryouma> (just trying to know hwat it is conceived
as or said to be)
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378 [06:32:10] <rk4> i'm not sure tbh, there's a
collection of software that transforms my computer from the
"linux is running" stage to the "my system is
running" stage, i've only been sometimes using systemd so
i don't have much of an opinion of it, i gather within the
umbrella of systemd was systemd-resolved and systemd-timesyncd,
which in the past were seperate
379 [06:32:10] <ansimita> ryouma:
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380 [06:33:32] <ryouma> presumably there is some reuse of code or
some similar philosophical or technical reason resolved (dns?) is
done by the sae program that spawns?
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382 [06:36:41] <ryouma> ohhhhhhhhhh maybe those are all just
using systemd as opposed to part of it
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384 [06:40:56] <rk4> ah there's a #systemd on freenode
apparently
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393 [07:00:12] <c-nister> hi in here. Anyone in here running a
live os on an usb stick, with encrypted storage ?
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397 [07:07:04] <ryouma> you can copy your running system and run
that. idk about live os. isn't that a pre-built os for recovery
or demonstration or so?
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399 [07:12:57] <c-nister> ryouma: did it myself.
400 [07:13:18] <c-nister> BUT far more interesting is: does
anyone experience bugs with gparted ?
401 [07:13:42] <c-nister> especially on a usb stick, which is efi
bootable AND contains an encrypted partition ?? ?
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407 [07:20:12] <randombit> hey, anyone experiencing random X
crashes during watching something with VLC?
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441 [07:56:25] <c-nister> randombit: Try disable that hardware
acceleration flag in the VLC Settings ( or vice versa )...
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449 [08:02:51] <SanchoPensa> hi, guys!
450 [08:03:27] <SanchoPensa> when is PipeWire approximately going
to be integrated into Debian?
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499 [08:21:13] <randombit> c-nister: tx. will see, because
it's random, i cant check it directly.
500 [08:22:01] <randombit> c-nister: it was on
"automatic" though. now i set it to none. gotta see.
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547 [09:10:08] <mlokpc> Hello, when I do cat /proc/mdstat I see
the following
548 [09:10:11] <mlokpc>
replaced-url
549 [09:10:25] <mlokpc> /dev/sdd is no longer inserted in the
system, how can I remove it?
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556 [09:11:56] <jelly> mlokpc, does /dev/sdd device node still
exist?
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561 [09:12:52] <mlokpc> jelly: no it does not I removed this disk
from the system
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570 [09:13:56] <jelly> mlokpc, great, so the kernel recognized
that. Then you just have to remove failed members from each array,
like this: mdadm --remove /dev/sdf1 /dev/md0
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572 [09:14:32] <mlokpc> jelly: I mean it's kind of like this
if I do lsblk /dev/sdd is no longer there
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574 [09:14:42] <mlokpc> jelly: ok thank you for that :) I'll
try it
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576 [09:15:36] <jelly> your arrays will still have a
"missing" member
577 [09:15:53] <jelly> presumably you want to replace the disk at
some point, so that's ok
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596 [09:31:04] <mlokpc> jelly: if I do: mdadm --manage /dev/md2
--remove /dev/sdd1
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598 [09:31:17] <mlokpc> jelly: it says cannot find /dev/sdd1: No
such file or directory
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641 [10:36:16] <recyclehero> hi
642 [10:36:29] <recyclehero> firmware doesnt get loaded
643 [10:36:49] <recyclehero> I have put it in
/usr/local/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/xxxxx
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645 [10:37:23] <recyclehero> also in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/xxxxxx
646 [10:38:00] <recyclehero> direct firmware load for
rtl_nic/xxxxx failded with error -2
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648 [10:38:40] <tomreyn> those x'es can be relevant, also
the pci ids of your device, and where you got the firmware from.
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651 [10:39:14] <recyclehero> rtl8168e-3.fw
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653 [10:39:28] <recyclehero> from debian site I guess. it worked
before
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655 [10:39:52] <recyclehero> I reinstalled the same iso just
yesterday and it worked
656 [10:40:01] <recyclehero> I dont know what has happend now
657 [10:40:29] <recyclehero> could allow_hotplug in
/etc/network/interfaces be releveant
658 [10:40:30] <recyclehero> ?
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660 [10:42:33] <diogenes_> recyclehero, did you play with
secureboot maybe?
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663 [10:43:12] <recyclehero> not really, but some bios settings
may have changed
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666 [10:44:04] <diogenes_> then try defaul settings.
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668 [10:48:27] <recyclehero> diogenes_: Onboard LAN Boot ROM
669 [10:48:59] <recyclehero> it was disabled
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672 [10:49:48] <recyclehero> these bios names could be very still
the same error
673 [10:51:13] <diogenes_> recyclehero, what says: uname -r
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675 [10:51:59] <recyclehero> 4.19.0-10-amd64
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678 [10:54:26] <diogenes_> so you don't have the latest:
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
679 [10:55:37] <recyclehero> diogenes_: it should have been
placed in /usr/lib/firmware not /usr/local/lib/firmware
680 [10:55:45] <recyclehero> its ok now
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684 [10:58:51] <ratrace> recyclehero: you should upgrade your
debian to 10.6 anyway
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688 [11:02:27] <recyclehero> can someone pleae check permission
of /etc/network/interfaces
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690 [11:04:03] <ansimita> recyclehero: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 405
Apr 18 2019 /etc/network/interfaces
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692 [11:04:44] <recyclehero> ansimita: thanks
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697 [11:07:45] <recyclehero> everytime I install debian I wget
replaced-url
698 [11:07:48] <recyclehero> is there a better way
699 [11:07:48] <recyclehero> ?
700 [11:08:07] <recyclehero> A network mirror was not selected
during install
701 [11:08:28] <ratrace> you wget a nonexisting page?
702 [11:09:01] <ratrace> also every time you install debian, it
configures your apt sources.list. so you add components to that if
you need, eg. contrib or non-free
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706 [11:10:52] <recyclehero> ratrace: SourcesList. maybe their
web server is case insenstive
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708 [11:14:59] <alex11> !buster sources.list
709 [11:15:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
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722 [11:44:39] <NetTerminalGene> oh yeah! thunderbird 78 is here
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741 [12:08:23] <genr8_> that was fast
742 [12:09:45] <ratrace> secvuln fixes are prioritized
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744 [12:10:40] <rk4> is there a !sec vuln fix
745 [12:11:13] <ratrace> ?
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749 [12:14:46] <jelly> rk4, what do you mean?
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753 [12:21:01] <rk4> ah was question of taxonomy, if there's
a thing that's a vulnerability but not a security
vulnerability, was a too condensed question to make sense outside my
head perhaps
754 [12:22:07] <genr8_> i read that as "is there a bot
command to show sec vuln fixes"
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757 [12:22:36] <no_gravity> Hello! How do you make a 20GB file
via dd?
758 [12:22:41] <no_gravity> Like this? dd if=/dev/zero
of=filename bs=1024 count=20000000
759 [12:22:42] <rk4> haha, a reasonable interpretation
760 [12:23:05] <ratrace> rk4: yes, there's all kinds of
bugfixes not necessarily with security implications
761 [12:23:33] <ratrace> rk4: as in, there's fix that's
!secvuln fix.
762 [12:23:36] <genr8_> no_gravity, thats a valid dd command, yes
763 [12:23:45] <no_gravity> genr8_: Great, thanks.
764 [12:23:49] <no_gravity> Seems pretty quick
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766 [12:24:26] <ratrace> no_gravity: 1k blocksize on 20GB
that's gonna be unnecessarily slow and IOPS-y
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768 [12:24:54] <genr8_> the fastest way is this: truncate -s 20G
filename
769 [12:25:10] <ratrace> that a sparsefile?
770 [12:25:14] <genr8_> yes
771 [12:25:30] <no_gravity> ratrace: It finished pretty quickly.
One minute or so.
772 [12:25:36] <ratrace> then not nearly the same thing. it may
or may not serve the same purpose, depending on what is to be
achieved
773 [12:27:03] <ratrace> no_gravity: SSDs are fast. but 1k
blocksize is unnecessarily small, _especially_ for SSDs
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775 [12:27:17] <no_gravity> ratrace: As I said, it was fast
enough.
776 [12:27:33] <genr8_> its not a direct write, its buffered
777 [12:27:56] <no_gravity> genr8_: How would one check if the
buffers are written to disk yet?
778 [12:28:27] <genr8_> idk. i need to know that for myself too
779 [12:28:29] <ratrace> iirc dd won't exit until its final
sync commits all the data
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781 [12:29:06] <ratrace> if you use status=progress, you can see
it completed fast, but then it sits there at 100% while the kernel
is paging out the buffer
782 [12:29:39] <no_gravity> Mine exited after a minute or so.
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785 [12:31:46] <ratrace> no_gravity: it's still wise to
understand what bs does and why you want it bigger. if you
don't care (ie. "fast enough") then don't set it
at all, 4k is default
786 [12:32:12] <no_gravity> ratrace: I set it so I know how big
of a file I am creating.
787 [12:32:27] <ratrace> no_gravity: then why not bs=1M
count=200000
788 [12:32:28] <genr8_> 1M would have been easier, count 20000
789 [12:33:13] <ratrace> and also forcing a bigger block size
reduces ssd wear
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791 [12:34:28] <no_gravity> Does the SSD even care? I would think
it has its own cache and structure. Not giving a fuck in what chunks
I deliver the data from the outside.
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793 [12:34:59] <genr8_> you're both right
794 [12:35:24] <ratrace> indeed.
795 [12:35:53] <ratrace> my point being, if you don't care
(ssd wear levels itself, it's fast enough, blah) then
don't force a bs, esp. not smaller than the default
796 [12:36:03] <no_gravity> ratrace: I set it so I know how big
of a file I am creating.
797 [12:36:14] <ratrace> it's a matter of forming a habit
and understanding what bs does so when it _does_ matter, you know
what to do
798 [12:36:25] <ratrace> no_gravity: again, why not 1M then
799 [12:36:52] <genr8_> 1M is the default "fastest"
size
800 [12:37:02] <genr8_> mentally.
801 [12:37:09] <no_gravity> ratrace: I just guessed the syntax.
Assuming that a plain number would be interpreted as bytes.
802 [12:37:19] <no_gravity> Which turned out correct \o/
803 [12:37:32] <ratrace> youlda used bs=1, would be
"correct" too
804 [12:37:35] <genr8_> it takes "1M" to mean 1 million
also
805 [12:37:43] <ratrace> *coulda
806 [12:38:01] <ratrace> (no, I didn't miss M. bs=1, 1 byte)
807 [12:38:29] <genr8_> 707 Kilobytes per second at BS=1 :p
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809 [12:39:06] <genr8_> no_gravity, i think hes surprised it went
as fast as it did with only 1k
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811 [12:39:50] <fattest> Hi, I created a simple deb file using
this tutorial
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812 [12:39:51] <fattest> everything in the /usr/local/bin/
instead of just the single file loldpkg: warning: while removing
helloworld, directory '/usr/local' not empty so not
removed
813 [12:39:52] <ratrace> well, no, I know SSDs are fast
814 [12:39:58] <no_gravity> genr8_: Yes. He has a lot to learn.
815 [12:40:05] <ratrace> lol
816 [12:41:35] <genr8_> big oof
817 [12:42:44] <frostschutz> 1M is human readable, most things
use like 64K, it's just dd default 512 byte is a little small
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820 [12:45:29] <jelly> bs=1M means 2**20 bytes for GNU dd. so
1048576B not a million (1000000B)
821 [12:45:44] <genr8_> oh
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859 [13:47:52] <n4dir> ! su -
860 [13:47:52] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
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862 [13:49:01] <n4dir> If i do that i get an info during login:
"configuration error - unknown item "ALWAYS_SET_PATH"
(inform system admin)"
863 [13:49:27] <n4dir> ROOT# grep ALWAYS_SET /etc/login.defs
864 [13:49:27] <n4dir> #ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes
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869 [13:54:09] <Elyes_> Hi
870 [13:54:42] <Elyes_> I'm getting `/bin/sh: 1: python: not
found` , Please how to fix ?
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872 [13:56:05] <Elyes_> Debian version: 5.8.10-1 (2020-09-19)
x86_64
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874 [13:56:42] <n4dir> Elyes_: that is what i have (too):
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Mar 4 2019 /usr/bin/python -> python2
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877 [13:57:11] <n4dir> and i guess the missing symlink for python
is missing.
878 [13:57:53] <Elyes_> Should I add a symlink ?
879 [13:58:15] <Elyes_> or iI have a missing pkg ?
880 [13:58:20] <n4dir> I am not that good with those symlinks for
programming-lang versions, but i would say yes.
881 [13:58:29] <n4dir> But that should be there automatically, i
think
882 [13:59:29] <n4dir> Just wait a bit, someone will know *for
sure*. In the meantime a web-search will probably shed a bit of
light on the problem. Good luck
883 [14:00:13] <Elyes_> indeed , that is my thought . I've
even uninstalled/ / reinstalled pyhton2 , but the symlink remains
missing
884 [14:00:25] <Elyes_> Thank you.
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886 [14:00:39] <Elyes_> for sure , yes, I'll wait :)
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888 [14:00:54] <n4dir> Problem is you run in such like every 2
years. :-) Then i always forget it again. Usually, for me, it just
works
889 [14:00:57] <oxek> Elyes_: python-minimal is the package you
need
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891 [14:01:34] <Elyes_> I think that pkg is already installed .
please let me check again
892 [14:01:51] <oxek> that's the package that sets up
/usr/bin/python
893 [14:02:53] <oxek> assuming you're on debian-stable. Your
kernel version is certainly not for debian-stable.
894 [14:03:11] <oxek> things change a lot with respect to python
in debian-testing
895 [14:03:29] <Elyes_> I'm using testing
896 [14:03:55] <Elyes_> no, I don't have python-minimal
897 [14:04:14] <oxek> !debian-next
898 [14:04:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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899 [14:04:48] <n4dir> hmm ... "aptitude why
python-minimal" tells me python pre-depends on python-minimal.
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902 [14:05:03] <oxek> n4dir: things are different on stable
903 [14:05:10] <oxek> I mean, on testing
904 [14:05:27] <oxek> big breaking changes due to python2 removal
in testing
905 [14:05:57] <n4dir> ah, right.
906 [14:06:28] <Elyes_> yep, python2 was removed,
907 [14:06:46] <Elyes_> I even re-installed it, but it
doesn't fix
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910 [14:08:36] <oxek> Elyes_: try your luck in that oftc channel.
Things change a lot in testing and I choose to not keep track of it
until it is closer to release.
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913 [14:09:10] <n4dir> sorry: #linux
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918 [14:11:00] <rk4> i'm not clear on what kernels in
buster-backports will get updates, there's a few versions in
there, 5.4.0, 5.6.0, 5.5.0, 5.8.0, 5.7.0 - do they all get updates?
i notice upstream has 5.4 as a longterm support and that's up
to 5.4.70
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920 [14:13:02] <ratrace> there is really only one active
921 [14:13:10] <ratrace> ,v linux-image-amd64
922 [14:13:11] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7;
stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11;
stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster:
4.19+105+deb10u6; buster-backports: 5.7.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye:
5.8.10-1; sid: 5.8.10-1; experimental: 5.9~rc6-1~exp1
923 [14:13:24] <ratrace> ie. 5.7.10 at the moment
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925 [14:16:06] <rk4> ah, so people just rely on that metapackage?
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927 [14:18:43] <n4dir> if you want permanent/automatic upgrades
of the kernel, i think yes
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950 [14:35:39] <ws2k3> i just upgraded from debian 8 to debian 9
and now im running into a weird issue: apt-get update allways shows
me E: Failed to fetch
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951 [14:35:39] <ws2k3> E: Some index files failed to download.
They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
952 [14:36:10] <ws2k3> im having the issue with multiple
repo's so i think something is wrong on my system
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972 [14:52:01] <tete_> hi, i installed debian 10 without X in a
virtualbox, now i added xfce and slim and followed this guide:
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973 [14:52:26] <tete_> unfortunately, this leads to some kind of
crash in slim and i am back at the login screen, so i can not skip
the login window with X
974 [14:52:32] <tete_> is there some way to boot without
graphical target?
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976 [14:53:29] <tete_> ah ok, reboot - recovery mode
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980 [14:55:39] <greycat> dpkg, multi-user.target is
<reply>Under systemd, graphical.target runs a <dm> and
multi-user.target doesn't. You can add
«systemd.unit=multi-user.target» to the kernel params to
skip the DM once, or run «systemctl set-default
multi-user.target» to change permanently. See also
<nodm>.
981 [14:55:41] <dpkg> greycat: okay
982 [14:56:01] <greycat> dpkg, graphical.target is
<reply>see multi-user.target
983 [14:56:02] <dpkg> okay, greycat
984 [14:56:50] <tete_> ah thats nice, remembers me on lilo back
in the days where i was able to define the init i want to boot in ;D
985 [14:57:49] <greycat> Yes, it's very much like the old
Red Hat run levels, by design, because systemd was made by and for
Red Hat.
986 [14:58:25] <greycat> Debian under sysv-rc never made a
distinction between run levels 2 through 5.
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1062 [15:06:19] <ws2k3> i just upgraded from debian 8 to debian 9
and now im running into a weird issue: apt-get update allways shows
me E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1063 [15:06:19] <ws2k3> E: Some index files failed to download.
They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
1064 [15:06:19] <ws2k3> im having the issue with multiple
repo's so i think something is wrong on my system
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1071 [15:08:51] <nevivurn> ws2k3: hm, maybe your ca-certificates
is broken/out of date? Luckily apt doesn't require https for
security, so you could just choose a non-https mirror and update
ca-certificates from there.
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1073 [15:09:16] <ws2k3> nevivurn: i already removed the
ca-certificated package with dpkg an already reinstalled it. same
result
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1084 [15:09:30] <nevivurn> hm, what does `curl
replaced-url
1085 [15:09:33] <ws2k3> nevivurn: i used dpkg --purge
--force-depends ca-certificates
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1088 [15:10:12] <ws2k3> nevivurn: long output with all packages
1089 [15:10:40] <nevivurn> huh, that's odd. So it's just
apt having trouble with https for some reason.
1090 [15:10:48] <ws2k3> nevivurn: seems to yes
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1093 [15:11:31] <greycat> you said stretch, so you probably forgot
to install apt-https-transport or whatever it's called
1094 [15:11:33] <ws2k3> nevivurn: i also already checked and my
date on my system is correct
1095 [15:11:45] <greycat> it's not installed by default in
stretch
1096 [15:12:02] <ws2k3> nevivurn: greycat its installed.
apt-transport-https/oldstable,now 1.4.10 amd64 [installed]
1097 [15:12:14] <nevivurn> Eh, wouldn't it just error out if
apt-transport-https is not installed?
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1099 [15:13:02] <greycat> I'm only responding to what I can
see.
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1101 [15:14:02] <ws2k3> apt list --installed|grep
apt-transport-https
1102 [15:14:02] <ws2k3> apt-transport-https/oldstable,now 1.4.10
amd64 [installed]
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1104 [15:14:42] <tomreyn> -o 'Debug::Acquire::https=1'
1105 [15:17:01] <ws2k3> tomreyn:
replaced-url
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1110 [15:21:48] <tomreyn> ws2k3: maybe this certificate just isnt
in the CAFile?
1111 [15:22:31] <ws2k3> tomreyn: according to the documentation it
should be added as following: curl -sSL -o
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/php.gpg
replaced-url
1112 [15:22:45] <ws2k3> tomreyn: but im also having this issue
with other repo's
1113 [15:23:01] <ws2k3> so i dont think its related to the repo
1114 [15:23:37] <nevivurn> That's the GPG verification stuff,
but your apt is failing before that.
1115 [15:23:40] <tomreyn> i'm referring to the Root /
intermedia CA certificate the web servers' SSL certificate is
signed by, not the GPG signing key used for signing packages in this
APT repository
1116 [15:23:55] <nevivurn> tomreyn: but a normal old `curl` on the
command line succeeded
1117 [15:24:20] <tomreyn> yes, also it's hosted with
cloudflare, which should usually be compatible
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1120 [15:24:34] <nevivurn> I thought it might be SNI, but it seems
like libcurl enables SNI by default and I can't find anything
in https.cc that disables it.
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1122 [15:25:34] <tomreyn> file a bug, provide your info, i guess
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1130 [15:29:53] <nevivurn> ws2k3: actually, can you try
`update-ca-certificates` as root?
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1132 [15:30:23] <ws2k3> nevivurn: already did. but it outputs: 0
added, 0 removed; done.
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1135 [15:31:18] <nevivurn> Hmm, alright
1136 [15:31:24] <ws2k3> so weird
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1138 [15:32:23] <nevivurn> Just checking,
/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.pem exists and is populated, right?
1139 [15:32:35] <nevivurn> s/pem/crt
1140 [15:33:09] <ws2k3> nevivurn: jup
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1144 [15:34:20] <n4dir> gotta run soon. Anyone has an idea
regarding that unknown item message during login as user after
editing login.defs according to the bot info?
1145 [15:34:32] <greycat> Ignore it.
1146 [15:34:41] <n4dir> oh, that easy. Thanks greycat
1147 [15:35:17] <greycat> The debian developers do not care about
us, or any of our real world concerns. They only care about
"use the same upstream as Red Hat" for some unknown
reason.
1148 [15:35:29] <greycat> If they cared, they would have fixed
that.
1149 [15:35:32] <greycat> QED
1150 [15:35:54] <n4dir> don't feed my anger. At least i got
no clue and might think: "probably me" :-)
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1152 [15:36:32] <ws2k3> even when i make a file
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99test containing APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated
“true”; it apt-get update still fails
1153 [15:36:57] <n4dir> and over the past 15 years debian always
served me well. minor issues
1154 [15:37:08] <nevivurn> Hm, just from the name, I'm
inclined to think that setting is about package verification, not
the transport.
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1157 [15:39:15] <greycat> #905564
1158 [15:39:17] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1159 [15:39:23] <ws2k3> nevivurn: even apt-get update
--allow-unauthenticated and apt-get update
--allow-insecure-repositories have the same result
1160 [15:39:42] <n4dir> thanks again.
1161 [15:40:01] <nevivurn> Again, all those settings seem to be
about package verification, not transport security.
1162 [15:40:34] <nevivurn> actually, have you shared the actual
sources.list line for that repository?
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1164 [15:41:00] <ws2k3> nevivurn: deb
replaced-url
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1168 [15:41:46] <nevivurn> So odd..
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1171 [15:43:12] <nevivurn> I can't think of anything, good
luck though.
1172 [15:43:17] * greycat reads the bug report again...
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1175 [15:43:41] <greycat> It doesn't *say* so in the bug
report, but the thing that they *suggest* that someone should do
might actually be working.
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1177 [15:44:36] <tomreyn> ws2k3: i do not recommend using
Acquire::https:packages.sury.org::Verify-Peer "false"; but
it could work aorund the problem, which i assume will be on your end
until all details have been provided and verified.
1178 [15:45:26] <realtime-neil> What is the `apt-install` I see in
and around `debconf` scripts and why does it not have a man page?
1179 [15:45:26] <ws2k3> tomreyn: same issue
1180 [15:46:23] <tomreyn> ws2k3: it should have disabled
certificate verification, which was the error we saw above.
1181 [15:47:03] <ws2k3> tomreyn: i made a file in
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99test which contains
Acquire::https:packages.sury.org::Verify-Peer "false";
1182 [15:47:53] <tomreyn> ws2k3: and the output is now?
1183 [15:48:22] <ws2k3> tomreyn:
replaced-url
1184 [15:48:25] <ws2k3> i think its the same
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1187 [15:49:23] <nevivurn> ws2k3: nope, that's a different
issue now, about not being able to verify packages (so transport
security was skipped)
1188 [15:49:36] <nevivurn> actually no, I am also blind
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1190 [15:50:36] <tomreyn> ws2k3: you missed -o
'Debug::Acquire::https=1'
1191 [15:51:55] <ws2k3> tomreyn:
replaced-url
1192 [15:52:04] <fredl> hmm anybody know how I can split a line
like tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1 into 2 field, tld.com and
10.0.0.1?
1193 [15:52:28] <fredl> I think awk can split on multiple
characters right?
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1197 [15:53:06] <tarzeau> fredl: echo ansible_host=10.0.0.1 | sed
"s,=,\n\l,g"
1198 [15:53:11] <kristijonas> anybody uses openpgp?
1199 [15:53:24] <tarzeau> fredl: yes awk can do , the shell can,
sed can... many ways to do it
1200 [15:53:32] <tomreyn> ws2k3: right, looks like it's still
the same error.
1201 [15:54:00] <fredl> no no you missed a bit in my q tarzeau :)
lines look like 'tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1'
1202 [15:54:20] <fredl> So I want field 1 to be the tld.com, field
2 to be the 10.0.0.1
1203 [15:54:45] <nevivurn> what do you mean "field 1"
and "field 2"? What do you expect the output to look like?
1204 [15:54:56] <fredl> tld.com and 10.0.0.1
1205 [15:54:59] <greycat> dpkg, buster su =~
s#/etc/login.defs#/etc/default/su (create it)#
1206 [15:54:59] <dpkg> OK, greycat
1207 [15:55:07] <tomreyn> ws2k3: make sure all relevant packages
are installed in versions and from sources they should be installed
from
1208 [15:55:22] <nevivurn> you already have that output, though,
"tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1"
1209 [15:55:31] <tomreyn> such as apt, libcurl, libssl
1210 [15:55:44] <fredl> uhm yeah sorta but ansible_host= as well
:)
1211 [15:56:02] <nevivurn> aahhh
1212 [15:56:15] <nevivurn> s/ansible_host=//
1213 [15:56:17] <nevivurn> ?
1214 [15:56:27] <tomreyn> ws2k3: actually i think it uses gnutls
rather than openssl
1215 [15:56:32] <fredl> I just want field 1... uh lessay VAR1 to
be tld.com, VAR2 to be 10.0.0.1
1216 [15:56:38] <fredl> :)
1217 [15:56:56] <subcool> Hey. Q. - I am trying to run CLI of
fsck. - but the only options i am given are ext2-4, hfs and hfsplus.
The drive is mounted as fuseblk-ntfs. But when i try to plug it into
a windows computer to have it checked, its seen as an unknown fstype
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1219 [15:57:22] <fredl> I guess that works :)
1220 [15:57:46] <greycat> unicorn:~$ IFS='= ' read -r
host _ ip <<< 'tld.com ansible_host=10.0.0.1'
1221 [15:57:46] <greycat> unicorn:~$ echo "$host"
"$ip"
1222 [15:57:47] <greycat> tld.com 10.0.0.1
1223 [15:58:01] <fredl> THAT!
1224 [15:58:08] <fredl> thanks greycat :)
1225 [15:58:18] <subcool> the guides say to use fsck and let it
auto detect, which test until i pick wihch fsck.ect varient i need
to pick
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1230 [16:00:03] <ws2k3> tomreyn: i checked the version of apt etc
are the same then on other debian 9 boxes so that should all be fine
1231 [16:01:48] <tomreyn> ws2k3: file a bug then, providing all
the info you have, with complete commands you ran and full outputs.
1232 [16:02:03] <tomreyn> and any non.-default configurations
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1239 [16:08:23] <fredl> any idea why I jump out of a loop when I
put 'ssh $IP blacmd` inside the loop?
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1241 [16:08:57] <fredl> -T I guess?
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1244 [16:10:55] <fredl> oh -n
1245 [16:11:11] <absinthe> hello, i'd like to install
libssl1.1 on jessie, but it seems that package is only available
from stretch
1246 [16:11:31] <absinthe> how wise would it be to enable
stretch-backports or something , on a jessie machine ?
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1248 [16:11:40] <absinthe> i guess not that much
1249 [16:12:13] <tomreyn> you guessed well
1250 [16:12:50] <tomreyn> maybe the proposition is incorrect?
1251 [16:13:14] <zodd> better move to Buster
1252 [16:13:22] <absinthe> well, a nagios check needs that
specific lib
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1254 [16:14:05] <tomreyn> there's #debian-lts on OFTC
1255 [16:14:33] <absinthe> ah, thank you.
1256 [16:16:29] <ksk> Why does "ssh -P 1234" not trigger
the "unknown option" message, but instead its just
silently ignored? Judging from "ssh --help" and "man
ssh" there is no option "capital P" after all..
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1258 [16:20:48] <tomreyn> good question, something to check the
source code for
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1260 [16:21:38] <ksk> I took the lazy road and asked in #openssh
:X
1261 [16:21:40] <tomreyn> or do a web search
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1262 [16:22:25] <ksk> uh, neat find, many thanks!
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1266 [16:25:28] <oxek> ws2k3: 'dpkg-reconfigure
ca-certificates' and select all certificates
1267 [16:25:39] <ws2k3> oxek: also already done
1268 [16:25:42] <oxek> reinstalling and/or purging the package
does not change settings
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1271 [16:27:02] <oxek> !bat
1272 [16:27:02] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
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1273 [16:27:12] <oxek> especially post the sources.list
1274 [16:27:27] <oxek> it's likely you are not pulling an
up-to-date ca-certificates package
1275 [16:27:48] <oxek> because the updated one is in
stretch-updates or some such repo, not the main one nor the security
one
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1279 [16:33:26] <ws2k3> oxek: greycat tomreyn nevivurni managed to
resolve the issue. i came across this:
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1281 [16:34:24] <nevivurn> oh, nice! gnutls strikes again, I
guess?
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1283 [16:34:47] <tomreyn> so, most likely, you had one of those
packages installed from a third party source
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1287 [16:35:35] <ws2k3> nevivurn: jup
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1289 [16:35:51] <ws2k3> tomreyn: i think the deb8 package just
didnt realy got upgraded somehow
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1291 [16:36:29] <nevivurn> Very odd behavior on curl's part,
too. Oh well.
1292 [16:37:06] <tomreyn> "the deb8 package"?
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1296 [16:39:34] <tomreyn> if there's a reproducible bug in a
maintained oldoldstble package, #debian-LTS (OFTC) may want to know.
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1346 [17:27:24] <bn_work> hi, does anyone know what NMU means?
context "I plan a 0-day NMU with attached patch". Is this
a debian process thing?
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1347 [17:27:43] <greycat> !nmu
1348 [17:27:44] <dpkg> Non Maintainer Upload (NMU): when a Debian
Developer who is not the package maintainer uploads an update of
said package.
replaced-url
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1360 [17:38:15] <dob1> I installed a openbox and mupdf but it is
not register as default application to view pdf, there is none.
After installing xfce4 it gets registered, even if I use openbox, so
there is some file/settings that xfce4 installs to setup default
application for mime types. any idea what package/files are this?
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1363 [17:40:59] <sney> dob1: you can probably use gio to set the
mime handler
1364 [17:42:36] <sney> something like 'gio mime
application/pdf mupdf.desktop'
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1367 [17:44:05] <dob1> sney, in which package is gio included?
1368 [17:44:24] <sney> seems to be in libglib2.0-bin
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1370 [17:44:25] <greycat> ,file bin/gio
1371 [17:44:29] <judd> Search for bin/gio in buster/amd64:
libglib2.0-bin: usr/bin/gio
1372 [17:44:34] <sney> indeed.
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1374 [17:46:04] <bn_work> thanks greycat!
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1377 [17:46:39] <dob1> gio mime application/pdf gives me
mupdf.desktop
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1379 [17:47:55] <sney> yes, xfce's default application menu
settings operate on the same thing, most likely
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1381 [17:48:17] <dob1> but I don't understand where these
config are written, I tried grep -R mupdf.desktop /etc but I get
nothing
1382 [17:48:59] <greycat> that grep looks for files that contain
that pattern, not files named like that
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1385 [17:49:28] <greycat> you might want "locate
mupdf.desktop" but only if updatedb is installed and being run
on your system
1386 [17:49:29] <dob1> greycat, it was my idea
1387 [17:49:35] <sney> it wouldn't be in /etc, it'd be
in your profile. ~/.config somewhere
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1389 [17:50:16] <dob1> /usr/share/applications/mupdf.desktop
1390 [17:50:29] <dob1> but how it says "this is the default
pdf application" ?
1391 [17:50:46] <sney> dob1: your grep command was a good start,
but check in your profile as I said, not in /etc
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1394 [17:51:06] <sney> as greycat mentioned, that grep looks for
files that contain that pattern. you're probably looking for a
config file that does exactly that.
1395 [17:52:02] <dob1> my idea is that there is a file like
application/pdf mupdf.desktop so I used that grep for pattern in
file
1396 [17:52:20] <sney> yes, exactly. now do it in your home
directory.
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1398 [17:53:08] <dob1> sney, nothing
1399 [17:53:53] <sney> maybe it's stored in some binary
format. I've never really dug into the technical internals of
this low-level gtk stuff, since the gio tool just works
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1401 [17:54:32] <sbraz> hi, i'm not too familiar with the way
LTS is handled but is there a chance of non-sec bugs being fixed?
1402 [17:54:35] <dob1> sney, I saw that gio tool works but I would
like it to be set as system wide, I am not sure how is set so I was
searching
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1406 [17:55:00] <sbraz> the example at hand is freeradius3 with
mod ldap in which ldap groups can't be used, this patch needs
to be applied
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1408 [17:55:28] <sbraz> is it worth reporting it or should i just
keep my patched package / upgrade to buster?
1409 [17:55:33] <sney> sbraz: buster-updates can get bugfix
updates as long as they can be applied to the same version
1410 [17:55:44] <sbraz> sney: i'm on stretch
1411 [17:55:46] <sney> oh, lts. well, still maybe
1412 [17:56:01] <sbraz> sney: the patch applies fine on the
stretch version
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1414 [17:56:15] <sbraz> i could even try a MR on
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1415 [17:56:20] <sney> does it fix an existing bug?
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1417 [17:56:31] <sbraz> i haven't seen it reported, no
1418 [17:56:45] <sbraz> weird too because it should affect a lot
of users
1419 [17:57:02] <sney> then I would suspect that it's not a
high priority fix and would probably be skipped, but you could ask
the maintainer to be sure
1420 [17:57:54] <sbraz> sney: do you happen to know if he
(bernhard schmidt) is on irc?
1421 [17:58:20] <sney> no idea. if he is, it'd be on oftc
though
1422 [17:59:07] <sbraz> ah ok let me see
1423 [17:59:28] <sbraz> oh right i'm not in #debian-devel, i
was redirected :)
1424 [17:59:48] <greycat> all of 'em are on the other IRC
network
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1426 [18:01:01] <sney> dob1:
~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list seems to be the
user-specific file, and the default one is probably in /usr/share
somewhere. I found an ubuntu doc that references
/usr/share/applications/defaults.list but that doesn't exist on
my debian system.
1427 [18:01:05] <sney> still, it's probably similar.
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1429 [18:01:46] <lupulo> sney you could report a bug, and include
the patch i think
1430 [18:01:53] <sney> lupulo: not me, sbraz
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1433 [18:02:15] <lupulo> sbraz you could report a bug, and include
the patch i think
1434 [18:03:01] <dob1> sney, thanks for the hint but it's
still unclear for me where it set these things
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1436 [18:03:41] <lupulo> sbraz a Pull Requests with your patch
1437 [18:03:46] <sney> xfce-settings and gio set it in the first
file I just mentioned. go look at the contents and you'll see
what I mean
1438 [18:04:04] <sney> the question now is where the defaults are
stored
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1440 [18:05:17] <sbraz> lupulo: i've just highlighted the
maintainer on #debian-devel on oftc, i don't want to spend too
much time making a MR / bug report if they don't want to fix it
1441 [18:05:26] <sbraz> especially since buster's version
contains the fix
1442 [18:05:49] <dob1> sney, or in which format are stored
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1444 [18:06:16] <sney> I would be very surprised if it wasn't
the same format as mimeapps.list
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1446 [18:07:18] <zumba_addict> folks, I'm upgrading our
docker image. How do I change this to jessie? `deb
replaced-url
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1448 [18:07:43] <sney> make it deb
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1450 [18:08:04] <lupulo> sbraz ok, perhaps it is better
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1452 [18:08:17] <sney> !ftp.debian.org
1453 [18:08:17] <dpkg> ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror
for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was
donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use
this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask
me about <mirrors>. See
replaced-url
1454 [18:08:25] <sney> surprised this one still shows up
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1456 [18:09:03] <zumba_addict> what about `deb
replaced-url
1457 [18:10:04] <sney> zumba_addict: that depends on docker,
I'm sure they have a readme.
1458 [18:10:13] <zumba_addict> k
1459 [18:10:21] <sney> if I were docker, I would have it be
consistent that way, yes. but who knows.
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1464 [18:15:34] <zumba_addict> I'm getting an error `Err
replaced-url
1465 [18:16:15] <sney> ftp.debian.org doesn't have
jessie-backports
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1467 [18:17:21] <sney> looks like they're on archive, deb
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1478 [18:26:16] <sponix2ipfw> ,v zfs-utils
1479 [18:26:17] <judd> No package named 'zfs-utils' was
found in amd64.
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1498 [18:39:34] <another> zumba_addict: are you sure you need
jessie-backports?
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1500 [18:40:04] <zumba_addict> no. I'm helping a team who was
using it. Their last update was on 2017 :(
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1502 [18:41:07] <another> then don't include backports
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1513 [18:49:44] <tete_> can someone tell me how i can configure my
ens3 network device to use dhcp but to use 127.0.0.1 as dns server?
do i have to modify /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf or does this work in
/etc/network/interfaces ?
1514 [18:50:14] <tete_> the best would be to have 127.0.0.1 as
first entry and following the nameservers from the dhcp request, but
not sure how to achieve that
1515 [18:50:43] <tete_> i need that for unbound because its a mail
server and i use spamhaus dnsbl, which is limited for dns requests
1516 [18:52:31] <greycat> !override dns
1517 [18:52:31] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch
/etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that
file. See
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1522 [18:55:44] <tete_> i must use dhcp
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1524 [18:56:20] <tete_> thats a rented server (vps), when i do not
use dhcp, i get no ip ;)
1525 [18:56:34] <tete_> hm guess i could configure it static, as
it is a static ip...
1526 [18:56:51] <tete_> but then i have to check the route and
many other things too
1527 [18:57:30] <tete_> ah ok, mis-read that, sorry
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1531 [18:58:34] <tete_> ok created that resolvconf.conf in /etc
and put resolvconf=NO in it, hope that did it
1532 [18:58:41] <tete_> thanks
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1542 [19:18:10] <scientes> does anyone know what program I can use
to see a IDRISI map?
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1545 [19:20:55] <sney> scientes: since you're asking here,
I'm guessing you already googled it and ruled out qgis?
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1558 [19:42:12] <dob1> I am not able to understand if it's a
bug or a normal behaviour: xrdp, if I set user shell to /bin/false
or /sbin/nologin the user can't login via ssh etc, but he can
login via xrdp... this is a bug or it's ok?
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1567 [19:49:47] <imMute> probably expected. xrdp likely
doesn't start a user shell when logging in
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1571 [19:51:36] <crosswinds> dpkg: I cant remember , but was it
you that helped me out the other day with my strange left Alt key
behaviour?
1572 [19:51:37] <dpkg> crosswinds: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
1573 [19:51:55] <crosswinds> omg
1574 [19:52:14] <crosswinds> now i know why i remember the nick :D
1575 [19:52:55] <scientes> sney, turns out the png was the best
version of the map, but it also had a windows iso that worked in
wine
1576 [19:54:03] <scientes> png is lossless so it really is great
for raster images
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1584 [19:59:50] <dob1> imMute, ok I was supposing this too. but
the fact that every terminal emulator (gnome terminal, xterm etc)
doesn't start is normal instead
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1587 [20:02:07] <imMute> yeah because those start shells
1588 [20:03:31] <dob1> imMute, so my idea is to create a
rescricted desktop where the user can just login via xrdp, so
setting /bin/false can work for this
1589 [20:03:45] <dob1> and use just some applications ready on the
desktop
1590 [20:04:31] <greycat> I guess that works, but it seems like
it'd be more straightforward just to block the user's ssh
logins in sshd_config.
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1592 [20:05:38] <dob1> greycat, I am customizing an openbox
session for this, my concern is that I forget some way the user can
exec open some terminal emulator and my idea is gone :)
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1594 [20:06:34] <dob1> so the best restriction is the nologin
shell, I find no other way...
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1596 [20:06:50] <dob1> I tried rbash too but it's not ok
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1598 [20:07:38] <greycat> so there are additional secret
requirements that are only being leaked slowly into IRC
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1600 [20:08:23] <greycat> one of them seems to be "I do not
want the user to be able to type anything into a shell, even though
they could write files using a text editor -- as long as it's a
GUI editor"
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1605 [20:09:46] <dob1> greycat, I am configuring every menu of
openbox to just list the application I want (it's just one
application)
1606 [20:10:13] <dob1> I am eliminating every shortcut... maybe I
miss something
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1609 [20:11:14] <dob1> another idea is to put an iptables rules on
the user uid to drop any packet on OUTPUT chain, but I have to try
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1625 [20:25:20] <ratrace> omg, so much fail here from someone with
@debian.org....
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1627 [20:26:02] <ratrace> hint: put the websever into each
user's group, 750 their homes, solved.
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1666 [21:02:46] <KOLANICH> Hello. How long am I going to wait for
my patches being merged?
1667 [21:05:28] <greycat> The most likely answer is
"forever" but if you want ANY kind of an educated guess,
you should give us at least the tiniest, bare minimal amount of
context for your demand.
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1671 [21:07:55] <sponix2ipfw> greycat sney : you think I should
bother my backports mailing list to see about zfs 0.8.5 - Or should
I just wait and see if it appears in sid soon and makes its way over
?
1672 [21:08:18] <azeem> what is your backports mailing list?
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1674 [21:08:39] <sponix2ipfw> Oddly enough, 0.8.4 isn't
listed to work with kernel 5.8 -- but it does just fine for me
anyway
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1676 [21:09:18] <sponix2ipfw> azeem: the actual ones. just google
"Debian Buster Backports" and it will come up with a
webpage and show an option to get in on it
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1678 [21:09:56] <azeem> that sound's like debian's
backports mailing list, not yours
1679 [21:10:30] <azeem> in that case, the package need to be in
testing first anyway, so "wait and see if it appears in sid
soon" is just a prerequisite
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1683 [21:15:04] <KOLANICH> greycat: The context hasn't
changed since March. I have prepared some patches for reprepro, but
they are completely ignored by a maintainer. It may be because the
such an essential package is kinda unmaintained - the last change
was long ago.
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1685 [21:16:37] <greycat> unicorn:~$ apt-cache show reprepro |
grep Priority
1686 [21:16:37] <greycat> Priority: optional
1687 [21:17:02] * greycat vaguely wonders what a reprepro is or what it
does, but can't be bothered to find out
1688 [21:17:23] <KOLANICH> greycat: I wonder, if there is any
procedure to merge patches into an unmaintained package that is not
going to be dropped.
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1690 [21:17:42] <imMute> greycat: it manages an apt repository.
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1692 [21:18:18] <greycat> I suppose you find a Debian developer
who is willing to take over the package, or at least to upload an
NMU for it, if the severity is high enough.
1693 [21:18:31] <KOLANICH> greycat: reprepro is the software to
prepare repos for apt. I wonder how can it be non-essential? Is
something else used to make the official apt repos?
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1696 [21:18:50] <KOLANICH> *it can be
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1698 [21:19:14] <imMute> I think Debian Archive Kit (DAK) is what
is used now...
1699 [21:19:19] <greycat> most people do not host their own apt
repositories, so it's hardly "essential"
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1702 [21:19:43] <azeem> KOLANICH: yes
1703 [21:19:55] <azeem> it's just *a* software to prepare apt
repos, there's a few
1704 [21:20:35] <azeem> imMute: dak has been used for at least
more than 20 years now
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1706 [21:23:04] <azeem> 168 files changed, 981 insertions(+), 494
deletions(-)
1707 [21:23:15] <KOLANICH> Thanks for the link, I surely should
try to replace reprepro with dak
1708 [21:23:21] <azeem> KOLANICH: that sounds like a rewrite, not
a minor patch
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1713 [21:25:03] <KOLANICH> azeem: not quite a rewrite, just
restructured the repo and refactored the code a bit + implemented
build using CMake in order to make use my script for automatic
hardening
1714 [21:25:32] <azeem> yeah, did you get a go ahead from the
maintainer up front that those changes are welcome?
1715 [21:25:53] <greycat> "I added CMake" is *cringe*
1716 [21:26:45] <KOLANICH> azeem: I just implemented the changes I
wanted to implement. But I have tailed to get any feedback from the
maintainer about my changes.
1717 [21:26:49] <azeem> KOLANICH: I mean, those are really major
changes and your bug report has zero context. I didn't look at
the patch itself, but it's certainly not something I'd
complain that it hasn't been merged
1718 [21:26:52] <KOLANICH> *failed
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1721 [21:27:09] <azeem> KOLANICH: it's unclear to me whether
there are any non-cosmetic changes?
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1726 [21:31:42] <KOLANICH> azeem:
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1727 [21:32:39] <azeem> right, and why do you think the author
prefers your way of structuring the code to his?
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1729 [21:33:38] <KOLANICH> azeem: in fact my plan was to
restructure the program, and then implement python bindings to it
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1732 [21:35:29] <azeem> (dak is written in python)
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1734 [21:36:14] <KOLANICH> I mean that I have some tool that
automates building software, currently it calls reprepro (I have not
known about dak untill today) as a subprocess, but it is damn slow
and dealing with subprocesses is always nightmare.
1735 [21:36:20] <azeem> KOLANICH: all fair enough, but those
changes are invasive enough on the one hand and seem to be based on
personal taste on the other, that I don't think it's at
all a mystery why the author hasn't come back to you about them
1736 [21:36:58] <azeem> KOLANICH: as a rule of thumb, dak is very
much tied to the official Debian archive and pretty difficult to
integrate for more lightweight projects
1737 [21:37:14] <azeem> KOLANICH: maybe look at aptly as an
alternative to reprepo
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1746 [21:41:43] <KOLANICH> azeem: I am not even sure that the
current maintainer of reprepro has time to maintain the package
currently. Thanks for the mentioning aptly, should also look into
it.
1747 [21:42:32] <azeem> I don't think reprepro is
particularly broken? But yeah, lot's of people don't have
a lot of time right now
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1750 [21:46:05] <oskie> l
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1759 [21:54:40] <KOLANICH> azeem: BTW, could you review my other
patches, this time into dpkg? I have contacted the current
maintainer, and even got some feedback (into email, not into
GitHub).
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1760 [21:54:47] <sney> sponix2ipfw: I would say that depends on
how much you care about the new features/fixes in that version.
it'll probably come through eventually, in any case.
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1763 [21:59:15] <azeem> KOLANICH: the naming choices look a bit
random and not on par with the rest of the code to me; and you
don't get to choose the license of your code if you contribute
to other projects
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1771 [22:07:02] <KOLANICH> … in dicts in an env variable)
used? Do you see any issues in the introduced code, especially
memory-safety issues?
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1773 [22:07:14] <KOLANICH> *how
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1776 [22:08:10] <azeem> I don't have an opinion on it
1777 [22:08:40] <azeem> just saying you should program according
to the project your contributing to, including naming scheme,
license and indentation
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1786 [22:20:23] <KOLANICH> azeem: indentation can be fixed, but
for proper indentation we need an .editorconfig file in the root of
the repo. camelCase surely should be fixed, and i can fix it. About
license: GPL code can depend on the code licensed under Unlicense,
the terms of GPL are not violated by adding files under another
license not depending on GPL code.
1787 [22:20:58] <azeem> I understand, but you also need to
understand that the authors might choose not to merge your code
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1790 [22:22:27] <KOLANICH> azeem: maintainers are always free not
to merge code, it is their right and responsibility to decide if PRs
are to be merged or not and what should be done to make them
mergeable.
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1810 [22:31:53] <KOLANICH> …y busy. So I wonder, if such
critical packages really have bus factor of 1 and if anyone can help
me to finish this feature?
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1816 [22:32:20] <KOLANICH> *feedback
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1821 [22:32:42] <azeem> dpkg is much more critical than reprepro
1822 [22:32:43] <dpkg> azeem: I'm not sure, is it larger than
a breadbox?
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1827 [22:32:46] <azeem> heh
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1831 [22:32:59] <azeem> and yeah, there's a bit of a
busfactor problem with dpkg
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1843 [22:37:42] <KOLANICH> … cause the issues.
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1846 [22:38:24] <KOLANICH> azeem: so, what do you think about the
PR about UB and leaks?
1847 [22:38:58] <azeem> as I said, I don't have an opinion on
it
1848 [22:39:00] <genr8_> your fixes seem fine to me
1849 [22:39:25] <genr8_> should be very easy to confirm, and they
are not confusing at all
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1851 [22:41:18] <KOLANICH> genr8_: thank you
1852 [22:41:19] <genr8_> also the pulls being named "2"
and "3" means he the repo is not very busy
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1854 [22:41:43] <genr8_> 2 would be easier to approve than 3
1855 [22:42:50] <genr8_> my assumption is the fact that DPKG is
such a vital low level component to debian means that the maintainer
is unlikely to risk changing it in fear of breaking the world
downstream
1856 [22:43:20] <genr8_> so its not touched very often
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1862 [22:45:55] <sigint> The project has 10k commits, the PRs were
made against a mirror
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1864 [22:46:25] <imMute> yeah, wouldn't the canonical source
for dpkg be on salsa?
1865 [22:46:26] <genr8_> still, its the maintainers repo
1866 [22:47:40] <genr8_> I think the suggestion about your public
domain "Unlicense" not being "GPL" is a valid
concern. even if you think its compatible, its not gonna help the
situation if someone disagrees
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1868 [22:48:14] <azeem> the salsa repo is behind the github one
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1872 [22:49:17] <genr8_> the github one matches this one
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1873 [22:49:35] <azeem> nod
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1875 [22:51:43] <genr8_> anyway, KOLANICH's open source
contribution experience is totally normal and a sad reality
1876 [22:52:36] <azeem> I still find the reprepro patch totally
overblown
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1878 [22:52:54] <azeem> but yeah, if Guillem doesn't look at
PRs on the github dpkg mirror, he should mention that
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1880 [22:53:19] <genr8_> i havent read that one
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1883 [22:55:43] <genr8_> I think its more of an issue of pull #3
hes probably thinking "This passthrough feature idea came out
of thin air..." and then ignored 2, which is the more serious
UB fix
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1887 [22:59:15] <genr8_> you should focus on dpkg #2 in your next
communications. if he wants to deny 3, thats on him
1888 [22:59:43] <KOLANICH> genr8_: about #2 I got some feedback.
That some of the issues will be fixed, and some of them he
doesn't beleive that are issues. I have responded with the CFG
paths that cause the issues .... and no response.
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1891 [23:01:49] <genr8_> hes probably not using the same clang 12
tooling you are, and will have to find them his own way
1892 [23:02:09] <genr8_> and when he does, he will have his name
on the patch and not yours
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1895 [23:02:50] <genr8_> at least you tried
1896 [23:03:35] <KOLANICH> genr8_: what do you personally think
about the decisions proposed in #3?
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1899 [23:05:57] <genr8_> I have no use for such a passthrough, and
I get his point that it was never designed with that in mind. so you
building a whole interface with "bencode"d
"pascal_str"s to inter-operate with some unknown other
software is kinda outside of the scope of the project
1900 [23:07:16] <KOLANICH> genr8_: triggers are all ahout
interoperating with unknown other software, arent't they?
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1902 [23:07:23] <KOLANICH> *about
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1911 [23:11:55] <KOLANICH> genr8_: about passtrough it is very
obvious it wasn't kept in mind, because it was pretty hard to
implement it, and even if implemented, it has some drawbacks, to
eliminate which entirely redesigning of dpkg is needed. So it is
better to document the drawbacks (that triggeree should be removed
on client side) as a public interface v1 for now, and document that
triggeree may be removed server-side in future
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1913 [23:12:32] <azeem> I didn't see any documentation
changes in your patch though?
1914 [23:12:50] <genr8_> it may need a lot of explanation
1915 [23:13:06] <gkwhc> Hey guys, I am having trouble installing
the package 'v4l2loopback-dkms' on buster as it says
"Bad return status for module build on kernel:
5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64" could it be that i have incorrect build
libraries? how do i diagnose this issue?
1916 [23:13:33] <KOLANICH> azeem: yes, the interface is now
undocumented, because I expected that someone may have some ideas
how to improve it
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1919 [23:14:09] <genr8_> gkwhc, that kernel is a backported
kernel, so the 'v4l2loopback-dkms' package is likely
expecting a normal buster kernel, and has some kind of hardcoded
limitation
1920 [23:14:13] <azeem> KOLANICH: did you consider discussing it
on the dpkg mailinglist rather than a PR with almost zero context?
1921 [23:15:04] <gkwhc> genr8_: oh i see. can i possible choose an
old version of v4l2loopback-dkms thru changing sources.lst or
something?
1922 [23:17:00] <genr8_> gkwhc, first do "apt policy
v4l2loopback-dkms" and see if candidate version 0.12.1-1 is
coming from the buster repo. you might need the v4l2loopback-dkms
from the buster-backport repo as well.
1923 [23:17:21] <genr8_> so it would most likely be a newer
version not older
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1925 [23:18:06] <gkwhc> genr8_: yes! it says installed and
candidate: 0.12.1-1
1926 [23:18:09] <KOLANICH> azeem: IMHO - it is easier to discuss
in the PR, because one can bind comments to source code lines. I am
OK with discussing by e-mail, but only if someone objects using
GitHub (proprietary software owned by Microsoft, though IMHO even
though proprietary, GH is more privacy-friendly and behaves much
better than GitLab.com and some standalone installations of gitlab,
unfortunately including salsa) on ideological basis
1927 [23:18:17] <genr8_> ,v v4l2loopback-dkms
1928 [23:18:18] <judd> Package: v4l2loopback-dkms on amd64 --
jessie: 0.8.0-4; stretch: 0.10.0-1; buster: 0.12.1-1;
buster-backports: 0.12.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.12.5-1; sid:
0.12.5-1
1929 [23:18:29] <genr8_> buster-backports: 0.12.5-1~bpo10+1
<--- try to get that one then
1930 [23:18:47] <azeem> KOLANICH: well, that's your opinion
1931 [23:19:05] <azeem> if you want to get a new feature in, I
think it's better to propose and discuss the design before
dropping code
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1933 [23:19:39] <genr8_> yeah you have to get everyone to agree.
right now it looks as though it just benefits you
1934 [23:20:10] <azeem> ...and obviously dpkg development
doesn't happen on Github PRs
1935 [23:20:22] <gkwhc> genr8_: wow amazing! that worked. thank
you!
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1937 [23:20:47] <genr8_> gkwhc, nice that was fast. congrats
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1943 [23:29:28] <SerajewelKS> is there an ATA command that will
tell a drive not to accept writes until another command to disable
that?
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1945 [23:30:12] <genr8_> surely
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1948 [23:31:35] <KOLANICH>
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1949 [23:33:24] <SerajewelKS> i see "hdparm -r" but
based on the wording of the flag, it looks like this tells linux to
disable writes, not the drive itself
1950 [23:37:50] <genr8_> oh thats what you meant. maybe you want
some kind of SECURITY_FREEZE_LOCK command
1951 [23:38:42] <genr8_> like setting a password on it, and then
if its moved to another machine, its unusable until it can be
unlocked
1952 [23:38:57] <genr8_> its all a bit confusing
1953 [23:41:35] <genr8_> yea, hdparm -r just sets the
"BLKROSET" ioctl in linux
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1955 [23:42:36] <genr8_> The only ATA commands I know of that
persist state across power-cycles by being saved in the drive itself
are the ATA Security commands
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1957 [23:43:24] <genr8_> hdparm --security-help
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1962 [23:46:10] <SerajewelKS> hmm
1963 [23:46:18] <SerajewelKS> but i want it to remain readable,
just not accept writes
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1971 [23:50:55] <velix> Are there any logs when root changes the
password of a user?
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1976 [23:59:46] <genr8_> /var/log/auth.log might have it
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