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• 37[00:17:58] <koris> anyone know why it might be that ls can see this file but bash not?
• 38[00:17:59] <koris> $ ls -l ./Pandora.bin
• 39[00:17:59] <koris> -rwx--x--x 1 username username 8477384 Dec 14 07:50 ./Pandora.bin
• 40[00:17:59] <koris> $ ./Pandora.bin
• 41[00:17:59] <koris> bash: ./Pandora.bin: No such file or directory
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• 48[00:19:17] <koris> anyone know why it might be that ls can see this file but bash not? replaced-url
• 49[00:19:22] <b> Wrong arch? Try file .Pandora.bin
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• 51[00:19:41] <b> err.. ./Pandora.bin
• 52[00:20:12] <Mathisen> whats upp with the ./name at all ?
• 53[00:20:18] <Mathisen> why the ./
• 54[00:20:21] <bolt> having the wrong arch does indeed give some rather backwards error messages
• 55[00:20:23] <koris> ./Pandora.bin is what they did though. and I think I already checked to make sure it wasn't an architecture issue, but I could've missed something
• 56[00:20:31] <b> Suppose it's not needed if not executing the file.
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• 59[00:21:21] <somiaj> koris: what user is runnin that command, note that onluse username can read it, so other users can't read it, which means they can't see the file.
• 60[00:21:42] <koris> username is running the command
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• 65[00:24:29] <somiaj> koris: are you sure? well with such strange permisions, what are the permisions of the directory this bin is in?
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• 68[00:25:23] <somiaj> hmm, no I get a permision denied if it is a differnt user, it might be the perimsions of the directory this file is in
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• 79[00:32:44] <koris> $ ls -l
• 80[00:32:44] <koris> drwx------ 2 username username 4096 Dec 15 22:46 Binaries
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• 82[00:34:15] <somiaj> koris: maybe keep digging downward of all directories
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• 84[00:34:40] <somiaj> koris: on my system I cannot reproduce that given the exact same permsions.
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• 88[00:35:53] <zerocool> friends i have setup a raid1 volume with windows i think, intel fake raid, i have install debian on an ssd and i can see the raid1 as /dev/md0
• 89[00:35:58] <zerocool> but i cannot mount this
• 90[00:36:03] <zerocool> any idears?
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• 94[00:38:40] <somiaj> koris: i.e. give the permsions of every directory from /blah, that the file is nested in.
• 95[00:39:28] <koris> since nano works on other things in the same directory, it seems like it shouldn't be a problem with directory permissions
• 96[00:39:34] <koris> tail too
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• 99[00:40:24] <koris> actually, executing other scripts with bash in the same directory also works.
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• 101[00:40:35] <koris> so this is truly a mystery
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• 105[00:41:32] <infinmed> zerocool: you need to read this replaced-url
• 106[00:41:40] <somiaj> might be some strange caching, maybe completely logout and back in?
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• 111[00:44:00] <koris> they rebooted it and it still has the problem
• 112[00:44:57] <somiaj> have they tried typing the full path to the binary, not just the relative on?
• 113[00:45:00] <somiaj> one
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• 122[00:49:10] <somiaj> koris: what is the output of 'file Pandora.bin'
• 123[00:49:41] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 125[00:51:43] <koris> alright, I'm asking them. I really appreciate how much you're trying to help btw. I didn't expect this
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• 127[00:52:12] <koris> they did try using the full/absolute path.
• 128[00:52:45] <somiaj> well we do try to support debian here, (:
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• 130[00:53:49] <r3> I've an issue getting a cifs share to mount at boot. It fails with an error, but after I log on, and 'sudo mount -a' it works fine. I think maybe the network is not up when it tries at boot? Here is the /etc/fstab line: "//10.10.100.100/share /home/user/smnt cifs credentials=/etc/samba/credentials/share,_netdev,users,user_xattr,auto 0 0"
• 131[00:54:14] <r3> (I've tried google, and none of the solutions I've found are working, including the addition of the _netdev option)
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• 135[00:55:53] <somiaj> you might want to write a systemd mount unit for this and not use fstab, that way you can use systemd dependencies to ensure the network is up and fully running when the mount is tried.
• 136[00:56:07] <r3> and here is the error: replaced-url
• 137[00:56:16] <somiaj> but you are correct, it is most likely the network is not fully up, or 10.10.100.100 is not fully available at the time it tries to mount
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• 140[00:56:44] <somiaj> yea, your network is not fully up, is the socket error
• 141[00:56:47] <r3> I was hoping to avoid putting something in rc.local to do it, as suggested on some of the google results
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• 143[00:57:29] <r3> thanks, somiaj, I suspected this, but I am still a bit of a newb, so I've no idea how to go about writing a systemd mount unit - would you please elaborate?
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• 146[00:58:49] <somiaj> I would have to look up the details, but you can start by reading about 'systemd unit files' and 'systemd.mount'
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• 148[00:58:56] <somiaj> google would help, I would just be pasting links I find
• 149[00:59:11] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 150[00:59:49] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 152[01:00:36] <r3> thanks again, somiaj, I will read up on that and see if I can get it to work
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• 161[01:05:09] <koris> the output of "file Pandora.bin" is "Pandora.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GUN/Linux 2.6.16, stripped"
• 162[01:05:20] <koris> it is a 64-bit system.
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• 166[01:07:22] <somiaj> koris: there is ##bash
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• 169[01:07:55] <somiaj> linux 2.6.16 is quite old though, that raises a flag for me
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• 175[01:08:34] <somiaj> though maybe that is something else than kernel version
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• 179[01:09:50] <koris> it doesn't seem like it is the kernel version that is the problem. they said "That's not the kernel I'm using" and "it runs fine on a much newer kernel" - the file actually works on a different system, just not on the one being discussed here
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• 192[01:15:49] <somiaj> koris: there is something about that system that it deosn't seem to think that binary type is execuatlbe, and bash is just giving a bad error is my guess
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• 196[01:17:16] <rant> idk about pandora's bin, but opening pandora's box turned out to be a mistake so.. I'd proceed with caution
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• 200[01:19:48] <r3> somiaj: I am still getting that same error, even though I've removed the /etc/fstab entry - I am not sure now what is causing it
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• 202[01:20:08] <Tramp> koris: recently, in a different channel, a user had a similar problem. He was missing lsb-base/lsb-compat
• 203[01:20:34] <Tramp> koris: I remembered this, because your file-output says " ELF 64-bit LSB executable"
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• 205[01:21:49] <Tramp> though his output also had the LSB-bit in the interpreter-line iirc ...
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• 224[01:32:18] <b> Dynamically linked - your system might be missing the necessary libs.
• 225[01:33:29] <b> (don't know if ldd Pandora.bin provides a clue)
• 226[01:33:30] <somiaj> bash is just giving a really bad error message....
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• 228[01:35:02] <r3> I've got the systemd mount unit working as well as the automount, and have taken the old entry out of the fstab, but darned if I still see that same message on boot. I wonder what's going on?
• 229[01:35:22] <r3> oh it's gone now.
• 230[01:35:26] <r3> o.0
• 231[01:35:26] <somiaj> r3: share your mount unit, do you have after=network-online.service
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• 236[01:36:38] <r3> I've put exactly what was on that page in it, so it seems to be working error-free now, I wonder why that old error was still showing up in dmesg
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• 238[01:36:54] <r3> the automount bit is clever as well
• 239[01:37:48] <somiaj> unsure, it is at least working now?
• 240[01:38:17] <r3> yup, working perfectly now :) thanks so much, somiaj, I appreciate the insight - I had done one custom systemd thing before and my understanding of it is beginning to gel a bit
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• 243[01:42:03] <somiaj> systemd has some nice things about it.
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• 249[01:43:47] <r3> now I am wondering if there is a way to put the credentials elsewhere, rather than in the "mymount.mount" file
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• 259[01:49:14] <phenom> How does the percent function not work in galculator? lawd have mercy.
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• 261[01:50:06] <somiaj> r3: seems you can specify a file to put the credentials in replaced-url
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• 264[01:51:40] <somiaj> phenom: appears to be more you have to use it correctly.
• 265[01:51:51] <somiaj> phenom: though others seem to agree that it isn't nicely programed.
• 266[01:52:03] <hans_> i have contacted the paste.debian.net admin many times, for many years, about false positives for spam in the pastebin. now it happened again, it thinks this is spam: replaced-url
• 267[01:52:09] <hans_> and the guy has never, not once, responded
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• 269[01:52:41] <somiaj> hans_: file a bug report, or have you?
• 270[01:53:10] <phenom> somiaj, Would you happen to know how to use it correctly?
• 271[01:53:11] <r3> somiaj: I thought that was just for the "fstab option"
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• 273[01:53:24] <hans_> somiaj, no, i've sent an email the pastebin admin email address listed somewhere on the site
• 274[01:53:38] <somiaj> hans_: probably better to file a bug report, that is usually how things get handeled in debian.
• 275[01:53:47] <hans_> bugreport to where?
• 276[01:53:55] <r3> somiaj: as I had that before in my fstab pointing to /etc/samba/credentials
• 277[01:54:16] <hans_> oh also, in the paste, i kill an entire process tree, but it is vulnerable to timing attacks and bad luck,
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• 279[01:54:24] <hans_> anyone have any suggestions on how i can make it foolproof?
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• 283[01:55:07] <somiaj> hans_: hmm, not finding a good pseudo package for this, replaced-url
• 284[01:55:59] <somiaj> maybe I am mistaken, there is a replaced-url
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• 287[01:58:27] <somiaj> usually for bugs in the debian ecosystem, a bug report is the best place to report issues, but I am not finding a proper place to send bugs with paste.debian.net
• 288[01:59:17] <somiaj> maybe someone in #debian-replaced-url
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• 291[02:00:11] <allizom> Hi people, I'm looking to buy a mini pc and I have found an interesting model. I'm investigating about hardware compatibility regarding the wired NIC, it's a "Realtek RTL8111G PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Adapter". I've read about the r8169 and r8168 and I would use the Debian-provided r8169 only. Would it be compatible? Does it require firmware-realtek? Any hint as to reliability? Thank you
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• 293[02:00:21] <somiaj> there is also the debian-replaced-url
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• 295[02:00:40] <phenom> Does anyone know how to use the percent function on galculator correctly? :P
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• 297[02:01:17] <phenom> Maybe I am clueless on how to use a calculator properly.
• 298[02:01:38] <rant> phenom: no, but I do know most calculators don't use percentages, the key with a percent symbol is actually typically modulo
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• 300[02:02:11] <somiaj> it appears that it is x%y gives 'x percent of y'
• 301[02:02:11] <rant> phenom: when calculating you typically convert a percent to a decimal
• 302[02:03:02] <rant> somiaj: are you sure its nod giving you x mod y?
• 303[02:03:29] <rant> if you want 30% of 912 you do 912*.3
• 304[02:03:34] <rant> on any calculator..
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• 306[02:03:47] <rant> convert to a decimal and multiply
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• 308[02:04:18] <phenom> I got that. Maybe I made a poor assumption on how the % sign works on galculator.
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• 310[02:04:30] <rant> if you want to add that percent to the original say to figure out what $9 with 7% tax is you use 9*1.07 the one makes it carry the original value while adding the 7 percent
• 311[02:04:54] <somiaj> rant: replaced-url
• 312[02:05:36] <somiaj> "The percent operation works as "x percent of y". So if there is 37 on the display and you press the percent button and enter 123, you get as result 37% of 123."
• 313[02:05:54] <rant> ah. well.. I'm not gonna argue with the docs.. I'm just pointing out that % is a symbol used for modulo which is very different from a percentage, and that doing math on percentages is usally a bad practice, you should use decimals instead
• 314[02:06:10] <phenom> Have you all seen a percent function like that on any other calculator by chance?
• 315[02:06:28] <somiaj> not really, most just do as rant said, convert to a decmial and multiply.
• 316[02:06:41] <somiaj> since x percent of y, really means x/100*y
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• 319[02:07:44] <rant> you just read 50% as 50.00 and move the decimal over two places (100) and get 00.50 and multiply
• 320[02:08:26] <somiaj> hans_: I see a few mention of paste.debian.net on the debian-replaced-url
• 321[02:09:21] <rant> and use 0 if you just want the percent, and 1 if you want the percent plus the original number ie. x*0.5 or x*1.5 for 50% of x or x + 50% of x
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• 323[02:13:14] <phenom> Right on, thanks. :D
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• 326[02:14:25] <phenom> I will never, in my life, count on a % function again thanks to galculator.
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• 328[02:14:55] <phenom> You are right though, I just noticed there is no % on xcalc
• 329[02:15:35] <phenom> somiaj, Thanks for looking that up for me and rant, thank you for the refresher. ;)
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• 344[02:22:11] <hans_> somiaj, thanks for the info
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• 347[02:22:43] <quan> Well, I've been using SSH certs so long, now I can't remember my root passwd.
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• 349[02:23:06] <quan> I'm locked out since Shorewall quit..
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• 351[02:23:56] <quan> I tries adding init/bin/bash to the grub kernel line, then remounting / rw, and passwd seemed to update auth tokens, but the system still won't let me in.
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• 354[02:24:47] <LtL> !ifrp
• 355[02:24:48] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 356[02:24:49] <quan> I thought maybe it's hardened, so I can only log in as user, so I did the same exercise as my user. Still won't let me in.
• 357[02:25:08] <quan> Yes I know how to edit grub.
• 358[02:25:45] <quan> After reboot it simply does not let me in.
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• 360[02:28:28] <linuxthefish> hi, why is debian suspending my laptop when i close the lid? in the cinnamon power settings I set it to do nothing, yet it still sleeps! however this doesn't happen all the time, but 9/10 times
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• 362[02:30:39] <Tarrasquero> quan: can you do sudo?
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• 365[02:31:14] <quan> My user is not a sudoer, but I can su. But the system won't even let my user log in.
• 366[02:31:15] <linuxthefish> ok "sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target" fixed it, grr
• 367[02:31:30] <allizom> To answer my previous questions, it looks like the r8169 driver *should* be compatible, and that firmware-realtek would be required. Still, if anyone can confirm or just chime in to state their experience, that'd be welcome
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• 371[02:33:48] <Tarrasquero> quan: bad
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• 375[02:35:32] <drith> replaced-url
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• 377[02:35:56] <Tarrasquero> quan: Do you have sudo installed at least?
• 378[02:36:21] <quan> No my user's not a sudoer, but can su.
• 379[02:37:05] <Tarrasquero> can be installed and not be sudo
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• 385[02:40:00] <Tarrasquero> quan: I can think of something complicated to do: use a livecd mount the root partition and modify the $ PATH install sudo and edit / etc / sudoers
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• 388[02:42:57] <Tarrasquero> that or place it as a slave on another pc with linux
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• 390[02:44:10] <Tarrasquero> it's very complicated
• 391[02:44:39] <quan> Tarrasquero: su isn't the problem. I can't get logged in as -anyone-.
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• 393[02:45:08] <quan> For some reason, passwd is not changing my passwd in single-user mode.
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• 395[02:45:47] <Tarrasquero> ah
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• 397[02:46:26] <Tarrasquero> and the rescue mode, did you prove it?
• 398[02:46:30] <quan> It's -against- me...
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• 402[02:46:55] <awal1> any action I can add, if possible, to aptitude search '~M' for distinguish deps and recommends on the output?
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• 404[02:47:15] <quan> I haven't tried rescue or chroot. That's what I'll end up doing tomorrow.
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• 406[02:47:39] <quan> ... but with my lck passwd will again pretend to work, but won't actually.
• 407[02:48:10] <awal1> my learning says no, eh? not possible to distinguish/know if pkg A was a dep of B or a recommend of C, eh?
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• 418[02:55:32] <Tarrasquero> awal1: man dpkg
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• 420[02:56:35] <awal1> Terrasquero, that was the best suggestion today :P
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• 422[02:57:02] <r3> somiaj: do you know if that systemd mount unit will work if 'called' from cron?
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• 424[02:57:32] <Tarrasquero> awal1: :)
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• 429[02:59:13] <r3> somiaj: I am thinking it should as it is a 'service', I will make a test here after a while - thanks again for your help!!!
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• 489[03:42:20] <xuxx> hi
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• 491[03:43:03] <xuxx> do you guys know the school 42 ?
• 492[03:43:05] <koris> my friend from before has an update on their problem. for those who don't know, they were having a problem where ls could find a file but bash couldn't, and permissions and architecture weren't the issue. well now they say this: "I finally thought to look for the "interpreter" that the output of the `file` command mentioned, and it isn't present(due to the system being made as a 32-bit system and never installing any 64-bit packages aside from a kernel).
• 493[03:43:06] <koris> So what I need to know is, what "*:amd64" packages do I need to install in order to rectify this?"
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• 547[04:22:16] <ryouma> koris: the output of file has no apparent bearing on tehf irst part
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• 549[04:23:14] <ryouma> unless i guess the whole thing is an architecture issue? never mind.
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• 574[04:36:53] <hiexpo> hello all I need to know hey I create a desktop launcher to execute a command in the terminal and stay open but it uses shell i want to use a different terminal
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• 577[04:37:44] <introom> why the package name for libstdc++ must include a version?
• 578[04:38:00] <introom> is there a virtual one that automatically depends on the latest version?
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• 580[04:38:13] <introom> like the way the package gcc is done, which depends on the latest gcc.
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• 598[04:54:37] <introom> ok. that page is about manpages and html. not very useful.
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• 635[05:15:13] <Shmam> Just installed mysql-server with apt and running "mysql_secure_installation". What is the current root password? Blank doesnt work, my root password for system, and I cant think of what else to try. replaced-url
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• 644[05:22:45] <zokum_> Shmam: if you got root on the server, you can reset the pw
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• 680[05:53:49] <Shmam> Where is the default mysql password? I just installed it with apt and it didnt prompt me for a root password when installing
• 681[05:54:01] <arosusi> 🍏
• 682[05:54:14] <arosusi> Good morning everyone.
• 683[05:54:32] <Shmam> hello!
• 684[05:54:46] <arosusi> Hello Shmam.
• 685[05:55:25] <introom> can I install the files of a debian packge to a custom location ?
• 686[05:55:38] <introom> I want the files of libstdc++-7-dev to be in a custom folde.r
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• 691[05:56:28] <Tramp> Shmam: no idea. But replaced-url
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• 705[06:01:42] <somiaj> Shmam: it should have promted you, so that might mean one isn't set and you need to reset it.
• 706[06:02:19] <somiaj> introom: You can, but I don't think you mean install, you mean extract (install to a custom location, requires that location have a full debian install in it, and a database of installed packages)
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• 708[06:04:15] <introom> somiaj: I mean use the raw dpkg tool instead of apt. so I can extract the files to a custom location.
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• 711[06:05:12] <somiaj> yes you extract, as I said
• 712[06:05:25] <somiaj> you can also use dpkg to install a package in a custom location, completely different thing that I tried to explain.
• 713[06:05:39] <Shmam> ok I just reset the password and it still doesnt work
• 714[06:05:46] <Shmam> ugg
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• 716[06:06:38] <Shmam> also when I get the status of the service, it says mariadb not mysql. Is that normal?
• 717[06:07:46] <somiaj> because debian no longer has mysql and only has mariadb, so you ahve to adjust things for the different software
• 718[06:08:03] <Shmam> wait what... what the fuck is mariadb?
• 719[06:08:17] <Shmam> so I can't use mysql on debian>
• 720[06:08:19] <zokum_> mariadb is a fork, not as stable, but more new and fancy features
• 721[06:08:25] <Shmam> ooooo
• 722[06:08:28] <Shmam> ok thats fine
• 723[06:08:35] <Shmam> I thought it was a totally new thing lolol
• 724[06:08:40] <somiaj> a fork of mysql, when oracle got a hold of mysql, the community was not happy with that, so they forked the part they can and then developed the fork.
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• 726[06:08:48] <zokum_> you can go from mysql to mariadb just fine in most cases, but not the other way as easily
• 727[06:08:52] <somiaj> it is the name of the other daughter of the orginator of the software.
• 728[06:09:10] <Shmam> ok but its the same syntax and mysqli php will work right?
• 729[06:09:32] <somiaj> mostly the same, mariadb will have some new features that mysql may have not had, but it should be mostly compadable
• 730[06:09:48] <Shmam> ok thats fine
• 731[06:10:35] <zokum_> mariadb also has more bugs :)
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• 733[06:11:47] <somiaj> but it doesn't have oracle directing it, though unsure if oracle was going to develop mysql, or just take control of it in favor of their own database
• 734[06:12:11] <somiaj> but the opensource comunity seems to have gone with the fork.
• 735[06:12:50] <koris> ryouma: I don't get what you mean about file. anyway, it seems that the problem isn't the architecture that the system supports but rather some libraries that would have normally been installed that aren't
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• 737[06:13:00] <lenovo_> buenas
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• 739[06:13:10] <lenovo_> la concha de sus respectivas madres
• 740[06:13:28] <lenovo_> .i.
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• 838[07:05:24] <cdchapm2> should i install debian
• 839[07:06:31] <SwedeMike> cdchapm2: maybe.
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• 939[08:25:13] <cdchapm2> hi all
• 940[08:25:18] <cdchapm2> how do i install from livecd
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• 960[08:37:25] <xJaM> cdchapm2 From where to install livecd?
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• 995[09:00:46] <zu22> hello!
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• 1047[09:49:52] <koris> (repeat) my friend from before has an update on their problem. for those who don't know, they were having a problem where ls could find a file but bash couldn't, and permissions and architecture weren't the issue. well now they say this: "I finally thought to look for the "interpreter" that the output of the `file` command mentioned, and it isn't present(due to the system being made as a 32-bit system and never installing any 64-bit packages aside from
• 1048[09:49:52] <koris> a kernel). So what I need to know is, what "*:amd64" packages do I need to install in order to rectify this?"
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• 1094[10:19:36] <xrhstaras666> hello
• 1095[10:19:52] <xrhstaras666> Do you know for how long i will get updates , i'm on sid
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• 1098[10:21:05] <LioneLL> for ever
• 1099[10:21:25] <xrhstaras666> ok !
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• 1102[10:22:16] <xrhstaras666> forever and ever ?
• 1103[10:22:29] <xrhstaras666> sid seems stable enough for me
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• 1105[10:23:42] <xrhstaras666> i have created an iso of my sid installation when i will install it to another computer will be on sid automatically ?
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• 1113[10:29:08] <LioneLL> it will be
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• 1131[10:43:58] <xrhstaras666> i have created an iso of my sid installation when i will install it to another computer will be on sid automatically ?
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• 1157[11:06:10] <maroloccio> hi. are dselect and apt "exactly the same system" or... how do they overlap/complement each other/conflict?
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• 1164[11:08:06] <petn-randall> maroloccio: They use the same backend (libapt), but are different tools for different things. dselect is very high-level, whereas apt allows you to pick single packages.
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• 1166[11:08:37] <maroloccio> petn-randall: thanks. perhaps expand a tiny tiny little bit more, if you would, please?
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• 1169[11:09:43] <maroloccio> could dselect and apt end up having a different "understanding" of what's installed in the system? or what's "available for installation"? i guess apt is entirely separate in its view of what can be installed.. but the diffs are blurry in my mental model. help :(
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• 1282[11:31:05] <ToOTHro> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTgjcgt: agustafson ahf_ tharkun adrenaline dexta stenrose Ring0` tmiland distantorigin Spiffy nku saturos dusares_ boturk bhurstpdx1 Arahael hipodils1i infinmed NightKhaos nyuszika7h ryan-c soul-d webpigeon donofrio-g5 ToeSnacks jolt Waggie FinalX linuxdaemon ibex Galihom beardface blind ikonia jnavila craysiii ckuehl La
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• 1291[11:31:11] <patt> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTlmpfa: Red_M necrogami sielicki fearnothing Rovanio Levure yonder Uberius Neomex stmiller neops peterrooney funnel mniip Dan_au disi ikonia lembron shabius spaceone cthuluh Carno mcintosh pvoigt spacebison Enrico_Menotti ShaRose sigmoidbigfoot Pseudo pierrot cliluw tyranny12 orbiter canvon StephenS arCABAL snadge xSmurf
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• 1293[11:31:12] <machin> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTjaovvbp: crowd42 Ugrastil_ braingain iskatu blind xPucTu4 beaorn nikow Cavedude hexa- scyte rr AlexZ_ Dan_au SleePy HauM1 dselect dxrt_ _KaszpiR_ Trel Walex l banco Mahe blackwell ws2k3 BlessJah v4s t0ne vOYtEC spacerabbit debchange treaki4 ghost43 Gal thunderrd sharky or4n dusares_ CME grumble banging_ bendem Butt3rfly N3X15 eMaks digdile
• 1294[11:31:12] <onel> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTwlyzozqeg: stoffepojken bcd_ BlessJah Stummi giraffe r00tobo CowboyNeal hele Loomaanaatii v4s RichiH milobit Bryanstein guios tugrik mspo bumbar sweatsuit mundus electrostat mdroid kwmiebach Hurricane craysiii apollo13 peterandre weinholt Hydroxide xand krytarik olegfusion DrWatso
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• 1297[11:31:13] <sweetlo> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTbhslsel: cmichel_ edvb Riviera Cypher100 gehaxelt Velgor petn-randall bionix Granis michael_mbp Len fauweh blazeme8 M3mphiZ amd_0x51 Posterdati adellam enki boser Gabemo_ Aristide StephenS klys f5ck hiyosi p0rt stwalkerster cryptic oliva eleusis Fusl haircode Ximensi0ns Guest4726 tomreyn dubwoc inaki tmiland synthmeat kri nikow H
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• 1299[11:31:13] <the^du> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTlabwipvwc: epony elkmoose treaki4 latez bcd_ Slumlord_ ProbablyNot enoch85 Alam_Squeeze Brigo Colti lembron T_Karras_ Mysterytrain elik beaky ChrisH sheedy Infra_3600 Graypup_ kingsley JStoker Ishaq blitzed crash_ yuastnav LeandroLuiz arosusi blazeme8 natr0x arkadefr tdn bumbar Remy ibex wybczu Arkaniad nathanhi hikiko Adbray Firztspawn gmh rnix adelyne armin
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• 1303[11:31:14] <kimber> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTdgzfrnocsw: LostSoul anthony25 creichen Remy debchange orbiter f3bruary afx237 mihaicmn_ NeilHanlon CompWizrd miklcct vOYtEC magyar niko nyaomin Galihom timeless ectospasm Mmike dym Nefertiti Whiskey bove m330w egos SleePy blazeme8 sndb Hoosilon ketralnis Commander1024 ripazha rax- ledeni lstanley sphalerite limbo_ devurandom gar
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• 1305[11:31:16] <xhtziw> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ EL IS A UGLY CUNTortgvgi: dos1 Keridos reu xai jhill_ futex ozzloy_ levifig sdx23 nickdastain JohnML [Gunner] cooldude tiin57 mspo v4s f5ck CutMeOwnThroat Milkshake landstreicher4 eir TimJay riddle WARBIRD199 JStoker mr__tea Mrloafbot__ luz1 Mikail Phoop g4spr0m sn0wmonster imMute papitfx ToeSnacks WebDawg nyaomin f3bruary gho
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• 1308[11:31:23] <sh00p> and here i thought somebody wanted to talk to me :(
• 1309[11:31:27] <leachim6> hi sh00p!
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• 1311[11:31:32] <leachim6> I am real person not robot
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• 1314[11:31:35] <SirLagz> sh00p: i know right.
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• 1317[11:31:48] <sh00p> feelsbotman
• 1318[11:31:49] <leachim6> take me to your leader
• 1319[11:31:52] <leachim6> I mean...humanthings
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• 1333[11:37:12] <NewXYxXNN> Hi,
• 1334[11:37:15] <NewXYxXNN> I would know the package name who does analyse the number soft uses.
• 1335[11:37:17] <NewXYxXNN> I receive authentification request for the mail adress i give when i installed Jessie, but i loose this mail password.
• 1336[11:37:19] <NewXYxXNN> I would remove this package.
• 1337[11:37:21] <NewXYxXNN> Sorry for my english. Please.
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• 1342[11:38:45] <NewXYxXNN> Hi me again
• 1343[11:38:50] <NewXYxXNN> Sorry for the flood
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• 1345[11:38:53] <no_gravity> Can I just put the device and the mount point into fstab like this? /dev/sda7 /mnt/sda7
• 1346[11:39:06] <no_gravity> Will debian figure out the filesystem etc on its own then?
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• 1348[11:39:21] <jelly> !popcon
• 1349[11:39:21] <dpkg> hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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• 1352[11:39:49] <NewXYxXNN> thanks very much dpkg
• 1353[11:39:56] <jelly> NewXYxXNN: ^^ that one? I don't remember it ever asked for your email address
• 1354[11:40:15] <NewXYxXNN> jelly too
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• 1364[11:46:40] <NewXYxXNN> By the way it's not this package. The statut with dpkg -l is « rc ». I will seek again.
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• 1366[11:47:33] <jelly> NewXYxXNN: can you show this "authentication request" in a pastebin or a screenshot?
• 1367[11:47:46] <jelly> it sounds unusual
• 1368[11:47:59] <jelly> !paste
• 1369[11:47:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1373[11:48:58] <NewXYxXNN> jelly: i will com with it
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• 1375[11:49:22] <NewXYxXNN> dpkg: thanks to remember all of this.
• 1376[11:49:22] <dpkg> NewXYxXNN: de rien
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• 1388[11:54:34] <NewXYxXNN> replaced-url
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• 1392[11:57:18] <jelly> hard to say which application asks for that
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• 1398[11:58:46] <edouard____> Hello, does anyone know how could I make jupyter-notebook find mathjax fonts on Debian ? Is there a channel where I should ask this ?
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• 1401[12:00:04] <NewXYxXNN> jelly: it each time when i seek an app with gnome.
• 1402[12:00:08] <PadawanLearner> hello edouard____ , maybe you could see if that program has a website and community
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• 1405[12:00:23] <NewXYxXNN> it's* oups
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• 1408[12:01:07] <jelly> could be a gnome thing, I don't use it
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• 1410[12:01:30] <Freenoodle> can I use the all-servers directive in the config file? I want dmasq to query all DNS servers (which are on different subnets), that works if I specify --all-servers as a startup parameter, but not if I add all-servers to the config file. Since I have NetworkManager running, I have to use the config file, I don't think there is a way to tell network manger to use this particular startup parameter
• 1411[12:01:30] <Freenoodle> I have put "all-servers" into /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d/dnsmasq.conf but this doesn't seem to have any effect even though NetworkManager calls dnsmasq with the option --conf-dir=/etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d
• 1412[12:01:41] <NewXYxXNN> Maybe i will ask by they chan jelly
• 1413[12:01:45] <edouard____> PadawanLearner: Yes I guess it's a good start. But I'm sure they'll tell me to use the latest version from pip and I wanted to keep using only the one packaged by Debian in apt. But it is bugged for now apparently
• 1414[12:01:46] <NewXYxXNN> there*
• 1415[12:01:47] <Freenoodle> sorry, I am asking about dnsmasq
• 1416[12:01:51] <jelly> NewXYxXNN: can you create a new user, log in as the new user, and see if it happens there as well?
• 1417[12:02:13] <NewXYxXNN> jelly, yes. I will do that
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• 1455[12:15:47] <no_gravity> When I turn of a VM in VirtualBox and "save the current state", next time I start it, it resumes from that state. But when I then just 'power off the machine' next start is not from the old state but Win10 (the guest) boots from scratch. Why?
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• 1465[12:22:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> haven't you just answered your own question inside the question?
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• 1470[12:24:22] <soul-d> yeah that used to trigger the actual geust os power of same as you would use the start > shutdown or reboot function
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• 1473[12:26:41] <a228> i have a two monitor setup, if i take a screenshot a black rectangle appears in the middle of the picture
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• 1483[12:29:31] <no_gravity> CutMeOwnThroat: I would think the last saved state is where it resumes from. Why does it get deleted when I power down the machine?
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• 1486[12:29:37] <nkuttler> a228: is there any window where you see the black recangle?
• 1487[12:29:55] <a228> nope
• 1488[12:30:08] <no_gravity> How can I change the file path of a VM? I moved one around and now VB cannot access it anymore.
• 1489[12:31:11] <no_gravity> Guess I have to remove and add them again.
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• 1492[12:31:41] <no_gravity> Oh, but its broken. The path seems to also be encoded inside of the vm.
• 1493[12:31:50] <no_gravity> Jesus. What now?
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• 1496[12:33:46] <jelly> what's VB, VirtualBox?
• 1497[12:33:50] <no_gravity> Yup
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• 1499[12:34:30] <no_gravity> Somehow its working again :)
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• 1509[12:39:56] <NewXYxXNN> jelly: the system does'nt ask mail adress with an other account.
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• 1511[12:41:27] <NewXYxXNN> The same adress in the « pastbin » is asking when i start a new session too.
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• 1522[12:48:31] <NewXYxXNN> I must reboot. There are conflits with environnement variable when 2 users are connecting. I come back in 2 min.
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• 1620[14:05:35] <pingfloyd> my system boots fine and all, but I just discovered that I have 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="initrd=/install/initrd.gz' in my /etc/default/grub file. In turn /proc/cmdline has the same initrd= parameter as expected. What is puzzling is why the system boots without problem in spite of having the parameter initrd=/install/initrd.gz which points to a nonexistent file (my initramfs images are in /boot like normal and
• 1621[14:05:37] <pingfloyd> expected instead). Is there some fallback behavior going on so that it is still finding the correct initramfs in spite of this configuration?
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• 1647[14:22:13] <gpunk> maybe "update-grub" has not been lunched since ....
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• 1649[14:23:02] <gpunk> what whould have made that change anyway ?
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• 1654[14:25:51] <pingfloyd> I figured it out
• 1655[14:26:15] <pingfloyd> It's because I installed jessie way back when via one of the liveCDs
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• 1657[14:26:24] <pingfloyd> the xfce one
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• 1659[14:26:57] <pingfloyd> it for some reason adds that parameter to /etc/default/grub during installation
• 1660[14:27:23] <pingfloyd> but more importantly I figured out why it still works in spite of that
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• 1662[14:27:53] <pingfloyd> because the system is following the line "initrd /initrd.img-4.9.0-0.bpo.4-amd64" instead of that kernel parameter.
• 1663[14:28:02] <pingfloyd> I think that kernel parameter is more of a legacy requirement too
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• 1666[14:29:01] <pingfloyd> like some bootloader may follow the kernel param, but grub has it's own handling of locating the initramfs/initrd
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• 1668[14:29:27] <hans_> a file is not deleted until the very last hardlink is deleted, right? like, if i have 10 hardlinks to a file, the disk space is not freed until all 10 hardlinks are deleted, correct?
• 1669[14:31:15] <pingfloyd> hans_: yep
• 1670[14:31:26] <hans_> thanks
• 1671[14:31:27] <pingfloyd> hans_: but there's even a step further where it isn't deleted
• 1672[14:31:44] <pingfloyd> if the file is still opened, you can easily recover it if you delete all its hardlinks
• 1673[14:31:45] <hans_> ?
• 1674[14:31:52] <hans_> ohk
• 1675[14:32:07] <hans_> that explains how nginx manage to keep transfering large files long after its been deleted
• 1676[14:32:09] <pingfloyd> so it's not technically gone unless it is not opened and all hardlinks are gone
• 1677[14:32:20] <mr__tea> If one of the links is removed with the POSIX unlink function (for example, with the UNIX rm command), then the data are still accessible through any other link that remains. If all of the links are removed and no process has the file open, then the space occupied by the data is freed, allowing it to be reused in the future.
• 1678[14:33:21] <hans_> gotcha, thanks guys
• 1679[14:33:26] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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• 1681[14:34:28] <pingfloyd> I suspect the initrd= parameter would matter with say lilo
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• 1711[14:52:52] <NewXYxXNN> Me again, I think that it's the error message for my problem with password request : replaced-url
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• 1713[14:53:28] <NewXYxXNN> Any one could help me to know from withch package come this request please ?
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• 1720[14:57:48] <gpunk> maybe "gnome indexing"
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• 1724[15:00:11] <Tarrasquero> NewXYxXNN: sudo apt-get build-dep "packge"?
• 1725[15:01:02] <NewXYxXNN> Tarrasquero: I don't remember. I will see gnome indexing.
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• 1734[15:07:13] <Tarrasquero> NewXYxXNN: it is possible that it is "pam"
• 1735[15:07:49] <Tarrasquero> I dont know
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• 1745[15:14:13] <NewXYxXNN> Thanks Tarrasquero, i will see too
• 1746[15:14:33] <NewXYxXNN> Here : the line end of the log : replaced-url
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• 1753[15:19:13] <gladioacuto> hey guys, any valid alternative in Debian to freemind software? And any package to draw flow diagrams?
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• 1755[15:19:49] <rr> gladioacuto : draw.io
• 1756[15:20:05] <rr> it's on the web though
• 1757[15:20:40] <rr> not the software u wanted
• 1758[15:21:52] <gladioacuto> rr, yes, not for mental maps
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• 1761[15:21:58] <gladioacuto> but it is not in debian
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• 1765[15:23:36] <NewXYxXNN> Well, it was with evolution. I deleted the count and now it's fine. Thanks for your attention. Good day all.
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• 1772[15:28:53] <gladioacuto> looking for vym
• 1773[15:28:59] <gladioacuto> it seems to be a valid alternative
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• 1794[15:35:15] <skoj> hi all
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• 1796[15:35:47] <gpunk> hi
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• 1798[15:36:00] <hans_> hi
• 1799[15:36:18] <skoj> need some help, hope im at right place :)
• 1800[15:36:40] <hans_> .. get on with it, ask
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• 1804[15:40:06] <skoj> i have latest debian, and i was hoping that guys added support for my usb wifi which usb id is 1B75:8189 and not 1B75:8187
• 1805[15:40:53] <skoj> so how make it work with rtl8187 modul?
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• 1809[15:41:52] <hans_> skoj, omfg
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• 1811[15:42:15] <skoj> if anyone can help? :)
• 1812[15:42:38] <hans_> skoj, i had an rtl8187 wifi card many years ago, which i couldn't get to work (on linux) because of lacking driver support, is that really not yet fixed?
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• 1814[15:43:18] <hans_> well, iirc there was this 1 guy that made an unofficial driver and posted it on github, but i didn't manage to compile it
• 1815[15:43:33] <skoj> no, it works. i know that.
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• 1818[15:44:06] <skoj> with rtl8187 modul
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• 1820[15:45:15] <gpunk> so what doesnt work ?
• 1821[15:45:48] <skoj> there it workaround to tell udev when usb is connected to run rtl8187 modul
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• 1824[15:47:05] <skoj> but it doesnt work anymore on this latest debian and if i want to make it work i should run older linux
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• 1831[15:51:19] <gpunk> what version of debian are you using ?
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• 1833[15:52:07] <skoj> latest 9.3
• 1834[15:52:31] <gpunk> ok, have you tryied it without the workaround ?
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• 1841[15:54:23] <skoj> have i connected usb wifi?
• 1842[15:54:51] <gpunk> yes, ...
• 1843[15:55:16] <skoj> yes:)
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• 1873[16:12:07] <ems2> hi, is there a way to open an app from the terminal without knowning its gui name? For example, if I type "firefox", it will open up firefox in gui mode. Now, for some apps, there's a gui and a non-gui. Is there a generic way to open up a gui variant for an app without knowning the command?
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• 1879[16:15:29] <gpunk> not every application has a GUI variant
• 1880[16:15:44] <gpunk> many gui-nongui apps, detect X11
• 1881[16:15:51] <ems2> I know, but suppose it has one, how can I open it?
• 1882[16:15:52] <gpunk> and luch a gui variant
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• 1885[16:16:07] <gpunk> you have to type it s name
• 1886[16:17:00] <ems2> so there isn't a generic way to open it up without knowning its name, for example, suppose nano has a gui variant but I don't know it's name, I can't open it up by just typing nano-gui, right?
• 1887[16:17:52] <gpunk> no, you would type nano
• 1888[16:18:07] <ems2> would gksu nano open its gui variant, if it existed?
• 1889[16:18:17] <gpunk> yes
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• 1891[16:18:23] <ems2> (with root privileges)
• 1892[16:18:54] <gpunk> ofcourse
• 1893[16:19:01] <ems2> so an app doesn't have a different name for its gui variant
• 1894[16:19:11] <gpunk> in some cases
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• 1897[16:19:43] <ems2> ok I guess it depends on the app
• 1898[16:20:23] <imMute> Does anyone have experience building packages from git-buildpackage source? I'm trying to build Kodi and "gbp buildpackage" is failing while trying to apply patches. I even went back to the version currently in stretch and it fails on the same patch...
• 1899[16:20:46] <mtn> ems2: there are ways to see what files were installed by an app, which lets you know which bin files it comes with. easy to see them using synaptic
• 1900[16:22:09] <ems2> mtn: that's nice
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• 1918[16:30:27] <ekelnlas> Is there anyone who would like to explain how i could create a Windows 10 USB from debian that will boot. I have been trying with dd but it dont want to boot from the USB.
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• 1920[16:32:34] <somiaj> maybe ask in ##Windows
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• 1923[16:33:18] <DBA_1> If I remember Windows licensing, it's very difficult to do that. Windows actually stores various hardware signatures for its license, and when you change the hardware platform, the license will 'break.'
• 1924[16:33:49] <DBA_1> I'm pretty sure they've been doing that since XP.
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• 1926[16:34:26] <JPT> When i upgrade my core components (mainboard, cpu, ram, video card), Windows 10 was not complaining. It went pretty smooth.
• 1927[16:34:33] <somiaj> I was assuming they meant install usb, not the os living on the usb, but still this is for ##windows.
• 1928[16:34:33] <JPT> *upgraded
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• 1930[16:34:36] <ekelnlas> I dont talking about Windows Licensing, Ive got license for it... I have problem to make a bootable windows usb from debian.
• 1931[16:35:09] <somiaj> but this is not really Debian support, since we don't know where this iso comes from and so forth. I would ask in ##windows.
• 1932[16:35:36] <NetTerminalGene> first you need to set bootable usb. and after that copy windows to that drive. there is tutorial on internet
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• 1934[16:36:02] <ekelnlas> somiaj: the iso comes from the windows store itself... i doubt #windows dont know how to make a bootable windows usb from debian, thats why im here asking.
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• 1937[16:37:01] <ekelnlas> NetTerminalGene: I have followed plenty of tutorial on internet, Ive got everything to the USB. New USB aswell, but somehow it dont wanna boot and i have no more ideas what im doing wrong.
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• 1942[16:37:40] <JPT> ekelnlas: The last approach i tried was unpacking the iso on a fat32 and using wingrub to boot the setup loader thingy from that unpacked iso. Not very intuitive though, and also not very convenient
• 1943[16:38:20] <ekelnlas> JPT: sounds something i could try tho since i have been trying like everything.. thanks for the tips
• 1944[16:38:23] <somiaj> ekelnlas: it is off topic here, if dd isn't working then there is something that is required to make the usb bootable.
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• 1946[16:39:43] <somiaj> which is why I keep suggesting ##windows, not only is it on topic there, you may find someone who knows the iso better and can at least point you to a tool that should work in linux (simiar to who we could point someone to a tool in windows for a debian iso)
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• 1959[16:49:36] <soul-d> fedora has a page on how to make bootable iso's with multiple methods but not sure if their tool is easy to get on other platforms wich is what i used to make debian iso for example
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• 1969[16:55:11] <ekelnlas> Ive got it fixed by myself, found a fork from WinUSB thats called Woeusb... worked perfectly. But it would have been fun to know why it didt worked to boot with the usualy dd.
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• 1976[17:01:54] <aiRness_> hello, is firefox quantum going to be a separated package on debian ?
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• 2003[17:13:40] <galex-713> Hi, is there an easy and known way to extract DRM keys from firefox DRM module to download and store videos that normally requires DRM to be seen?
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• 2006[17:13:49] <galex-713> Because I just discovered a cool webserie but I can’t see it all now if I don’t pay and if I pay they use DRM but I want to watch it offline with free software
• 2007[17:14:05] <galex-713> and I don’t want to pay for something that I can’t enjoy and/or for which I need proprietary software
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• 2009[17:14:55] <galex-713> Also, firefox propose me to download DRM stuff when I’m on their website, shouldn’t firefox be in contrib then?
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• 2011[17:16:14] <galex-713> it even says “firefox installs components necessary to playing audio and video content on this page”
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• 2016[17:23:04] <jhutchins> galex-713: It's against US law to defeat DRM.
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• 2022[17:28:27] <krytarik> ,v firefox
• 2023[17:28:28] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0.1-1; experimental: 58.0~b4-1
• 2024[17:28:50] <krytarik> aiRness: ^ it's already there as usual.
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• 2026[17:29:29] <galex-713> jhutchins: oh that’s cool then, I’m not in US :)
• 2027[17:29:47] <galex-713> There are already plenty of laws in US that would discourage or even stop me to go in a such country
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• 2030[17:29:54] <galex-713> jhutchins: yet, how can I do that?
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• 2033[17:30:36] <galex-713> (and, anyway, “defeat” means nothing, I could as well make a script that decodes drm and display it, that would be a “DRM implementation”, and this implementation could also save files, and that would be fine for me)
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• 2035[17:30:47] <galex-713> (or otherwise any DRM implementation is a DRM defeat)
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• 2037[17:31:52] <tsukuyomi> Hi, I have a question. I'm running a virtual machine but when I type alt+tab, the window switches to my host machine. How can I set it to switch between windows inside my VM?
• 2038[17:32:09] <tsukuyomi> I tried asking in #vbox but they have no clue
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• 2041[17:34:13] <jhutchins> tsukuyomi: When I hit alt-tab in a vbox guest it switches internally. If I press RightCtrl-C, it offers to switch to scaled mode. If I then hit escape, I go into the mode you describe, where Alt-Tab within the guest switches out of the guest.
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• 2044[17:34:34] <jhutchins> The mode persists until I re-start the VM.
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• 2046[17:35:15] <tsukuyomi> for me it wont switch internally, not even when I'm in full screen
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• 2062[17:41:03] <tsukuyomi> I think switching from stable to testing was a mistake
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• 2087[17:54:26] <ripero> I am trying to install the same package in two different debian systems, from an external repository; after following the same instructions, everything worked in system A, but apt-get update in system B complains and says "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.", "W: The repository [...] does not have a Release file. N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dange
• 2088[17:54:26] <ripero> rous to use."
• 2089[17:54:26] <ripero> What's going on? why does B find problems where A didn't?
• 2090[17:54:47] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2091[17:54:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2092[17:54:59] <petn-randall> ripero: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste?
• 2093[17:55:13] <petn-randall> ripero: Including the output of 'apt-key list'.
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• 2098[17:56:54] <aiRness> krytarik: but is it a separate package? is it going to replace the old version?
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• 2118[18:07:39] <ripero> petn-randall: all of the above are available at replaced-url
• 2119[18:08:15] <wob_jonas> Hi, guys. I'm planning to update my debian system from 8 to 9. But I don't understand what exactly I should have in my /etc/apt/sources.list . Do I need just one line, or two lines (one for main and one for updates, or three?
• 2120[18:08:25] <wob_jonas> I'm confused by how the debian repositories work.
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• 2123[18:09:14] <wob_jonas> replaced-url
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• 2125[18:10:00] <NetTerminalGene> wob_jonas, you need to change "jessie" to "stretch"
• 2126[18:10:14] <NetTerminalGene> in your source list
• 2127[18:10:23] <wob_jonas> NetTerminalGene: yes, but I think my sources.list is already confused from previous changes
• 2128[18:10:28] <wob_jonas> so I want to figure out what it should contain
• 2129[18:10:49] <wob_jonas> it currently has six lines, of which three are source packages which I won't need, but I don't know if I need the three others
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• 2132[18:11:48] <NetTerminalGene> wob_jonas, replaced-url
• 2133[18:11:55] <wob_jonas> replaced-url
• 2134[18:12:00] <wob_jonas> ^ here's my current sources.lirg
• 2135[18:12:33] <petn-randall> ripero: Do you by chance have apt-transport-https installed on the one system, but not on the other?
• 2136[18:12:37] <NetTerminalGene> wob_jonas, i sent what you need
• 2137[18:12:51] <NetTerminalGene> use the same format
• 2138[18:13:18] <annadane> if you're upgrading from 8 to 9 you should also read the release notes
• 2139[18:13:28] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2140[18:13:48] <wob_jonas> annadane: yes, I actually linked to that one above
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• 2142[18:14:03] <ripero> petn-randall: as far as I can see, apt-transport-https 1.4.8 (amd64 arch) is installed in both systems
• 2143[18:14:04] <annadane> ah, whoops. :D
• 2144[18:14:10] <wob_jonas> I just want to understand if I need three lines, and why there are three and what's the difference between them
• 2145[18:14:20] <wob_jonas> why aren't there only two lines?
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• 2150[18:16:26] <NetTerminalGene> wob_jonas, i think "jessie-updates" one is optional. it gets bug fixes beside security updates
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• 2152[18:16:56] <wob_jonas> NetTerminalGene: ok
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• 2155[18:17:41] <martin-_-_> hi
• 2156[18:17:52] <martin-_-_> I don't understand why I get javac command not found
• 2157[18:18:10] <apollo13> because you didn't install it?
• 2158[18:18:15] <martin-_-_> sure i have
• 2159[18:18:19] <martin-_-_> sec, i switch
• 2160[18:18:28] <Rom3oCrash> 6:16 PM <Rom3oCrash> I don't know if is ok ask there but someone know how to get the list of clients from an NTP server?
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• 2162[18:18:58] <petn-randall> ripero: Then it might have been an temporary problem?
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• 2164[18:19:01] <martin__> I did: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/
• 2165[18:19:01] <YourFriend> install the java jdk. apt-get install default-jdk
• 2166[18:19:13] <apollo13> martin__: and why would you do that?
• 2167[18:19:25] <jhutchins> Rom3oCrash: Clients that are updating from that server?
• 2168[18:19:29] <apollo13> aside fron the fact that it won't change how the system discovers javac
• 2169[18:19:34] <martin__> Thanks YourFriend this looks promising
• 2170[18:19:56] <Rom3oCrash> jhutchins: yes
• 2171[18:20:20] <YourFriend> no problem martin__. it should install the latest version of open-jdk by default. it's what i use
• 2172[18:20:37] <ripero> petn-randall: I tried this a couple of months ago already, and it's still happening in the same way
• 2173[18:20:50] <jhutchins> Rom3oCrash: Interesting question.
• 2174[18:21:09] <martin__> I think the problem was that I installed the netbeans with java version. So debian does not recoginize the installed java version obviously its installed
• 2175[18:21:57] <YourFriend> that could be. i always use sublime text and then the command line compiler tools, so i can't really say what netbeans might do
• 2176[18:22:26] <apollo13> and apt install netbeans would surely not cause problems
• 2177[18:24:07] <martin__> apollo13, As i can remember I used the installer from the web page (but I cant remember the reason, but surely I had a reason for it :> )
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• 2188[18:31:14] <krytarik> aiRness: Same package name as usual, yes - whether Mozilla call it "Quantum" or not.
• 2189[18:31:27] <jhutchins> Rom3oCrash: Try ntpdc -c monlist
• 2190[18:31:49] <PuFFs> Do you know why I would get a 550 error when going in a directory that is a softlink from FTP? I changed ownership to the user instead of root.
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• 2192[18:33:19] <jhutchins> Rom3oCrash: That will include both sources and clients.
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• 2194[18:34:17] <locodeviant> Need a little help with Debian Live and Persistence. Once the live image is dd'd to USB (/dev/sdb), do I need to create a new volume naming it "persistence" or use tune2fs to rename /dev/sdb1 ? Source: replaced-url
• 2195[18:34:35] <martin-_-_> I can't compile my java code with java7 I need java8 or 9.
• 2196[18:34:41] <martin-_-_> How can I get this versions?
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• 2198[18:35:32] <YourFriend> martin-_-_, your default-jdk should have it. check the output of 'java -version '
• 2199[18:36:00] <YourFriend> it should say: openjdk version "1.8.0_151"
• 2200[18:36:33] <martin__> It tells me I got java version "1.7.0_151"
• 2201[18:36:54] <martin__> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.6.11) (7u151-2.6.11-2~deb8u1)
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• 2203[18:37:13] <YourFriend> update. if you've got openjdk installed it'll update with your normal apt-get update && apt-get upgrade commands
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• 2214[18:43:22] <martin__> hm its still on 1.7
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• 2225[18:44:35] <martin__> I'm on Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux YourFriend
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• 2230[18:45:29] <YourFriend> debian 3!
• 2231[18:45:51] <YourFriend> that can't be right. run this command: cat /etc/debian_version
• 2232[18:45:54] <jhutchins> YourFriend: No, kernel 3
• 2233[18:45:55] <kopper> That's kernel
• 2234[18:46:05] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2235[18:46:06] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
• 2236[18:46:07] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
• 2237[18:46:11] <martin__> 8.10
• 2238[18:46:17] <YourFriend> sorry, my bad
• 2239[18:46:18] <jhutchins> wheezy
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• 2241[18:46:43] <martin__> So I have to upgrade first my disto?
• 2242[18:46:48] <YourFriend> alright. then your normal update should update your open-jdk install to v1.8
• 2243[18:46:59] <jhutchins> ,v open-jdk
• 2244[18:47:01] <judd> No package named 'open-jdk' was found in amd64.
• 2245[18:47:09] <annadane> ,v openjdf
• 2246[18:47:10] <judd> No package named 'openjdf' was found in amd64.
• 2247[18:47:10] <annadane> oops
• 2248[18:47:13] <annadane> ,v openjdk
• 2249[18:47:14] <judd> No package named 'openjdk' was found in amd64.
• 2250[18:47:23] <annadane> oh, really? my mistake, i thought that was it
• 2251[18:47:36] <YourFriend> ,v default-jdk
• 2252[18:47:37] <judd> Package: default-jdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.6-47; wheezy-security: 1:1.7-47+deb7u2; jessie: 2:1.7-52; stretch: 2:1.8-58; buster: 2:1.8-59; sid: 2:1.8-59; experimental: 2:1.9-59+exp2
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• 2254[18:48:34] <YourFriend> alright, looks like you need to upgrade to debian 9 in order to get java 1.8.
• 2255[18:48:42] <martin__> hmm
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• 2258[18:49:31] <martin__> So upgrading from 8 to 9 should only be updating sources.conf right?
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• 2261[18:50:02] <PuFFs> updating the 8 to the latest then update the repos
• 2262[18:50:07] <PuFFs> to stretch
• 2263[18:50:09] <YourFriend> yeah. it's pretty painless replaced-url
• 2264[18:50:43] <martin__> thanks
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• 2270[18:53:31] <petn-randall> martin__: And making a few preparations, like backups.
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• 2273[18:55:09] <martin__> petn-randall, always :)
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• 2278[18:57:44] <martin__> shutingdown for the backup
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• 2293[19:10:48] <lol1337> hello! Got a noble question!
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• 2297[19:11:33] <lol1337> A general linux question, but spec to debian because thatll what ill will/do use again/next
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• 2300[19:13:31] <mtn> lol1337: The best way to get help is to ask your real question. Give as much detail as you can in a sentence or two.
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• 2361[19:40:59] <fly_agaric> hello guys, in debian is there a feature deduplication?
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• 2363[19:41:07] <fly_agaric> in case of large fileservers
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• 2372[19:48:04] <lol1337> Ok, this is kinda hard to answer if u dont know networking good.. Hope u guys can answer. Do I need a firewall or is it a built in one in debian. I know m0n0wall is good but do i need 1? And antivirus?
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• 2378[19:50:09] <NetTerminalGene> lol1337, you don't need antivirus
• 2379[19:50:10] <petn-randall> fly_agaric: XFS and btrfs offer deduplication.
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• 2381[19:50:39] <petn-randall> lol1337: iptables is the userspace tool for firewalls in Linux, every other frontend builds on top of that.
• 2382[19:50:49] <lol1337> As long as i dont open any mal stuff, right? but how about torrents?
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• 2384[19:51:26] <NetTerminalGene> lol1337, what do you download from torrent?
• 2385[19:51:30] <lol1337> yeah, ofc -.- even worked in it and got pretty good in understanding the order and stuff
• 2386[19:51:51] <NetTerminalGene> you will not be infected from torrent
• 2387[19:52:06] <lol1337> read some really great longer articles about it -.- but didnt remember if it were built in
• 2388[19:52:20] <petn-randall> lol1337: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
• 2389[19:52:42] <lol1337> right now nothing but ill be using debian
• 2390[19:52:45] <fly_agaric> petn-randall: do you know if this works if my debian server is running kvm hypervisor?
• 2391[19:53:28] <petn-randall> fly_agaric: block deduplication? That's part of the filesystem, independent of any userspace tools, so yes.
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• 2393[19:53:45] <lol1337> how come u wont need av as in windows, is it really for dumb peoples?
• 2394[19:53:47] <lol1337> xD
• 2395[19:53:48] <fly_agaric> all my vms are stored on the local disk. there are 8 vms with the same files in it
• 2396[19:53:52] <fly_agaric> so thats why iam asking
• 2397[19:53:55] <fly_agaric> i need to save space
• 2398[19:54:21] <petn-randall> lol1337: There's clamav, but that is mostly for finding Windows malware. There's simply not much malware around in Linux.
• 2399[19:54:42] <lol1337> sounds really crazy but i believe u
• 2400[19:54:47] <lol1337> xD
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• 2403[19:57:55] <NetTerminalGene> lol1337, the first priority is your browsers security
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• 2405[19:58:16] <NetTerminalGene> so take precaution for that
• 2406[19:58:37] <NetTerminalGene> like running it in firejail, using noscript with it etc...
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• 2409[19:59:04] <lol1337> firefox usually built in, right?
• 2410[19:59:11] <lol1337> Pretty good 1
• 2411[19:59:21] <NetTerminalGene> built in? no
• 2412[19:59:33] <NetTerminalGene> i mean it has sanbox features but still...
• 2413[19:59:36] <lol1337> in debian or pre-packaged
• 2414[19:59:39] <lol1337> ?
• 2415[19:59:43] <NetTerminalGene> you need to take extra measurements
• 2416[20:00:04] <lol1337> aha k if i visit scary websites
• 2417[20:00:06] <NetTerminalGene> yes firefox in debian is prepackaged
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• 2419[20:00:07] <lol1337> xD
• 2420[20:00:27] <lol1337> k
• 2421[20:00:57] <NetTerminalGene> i mean there is firefox package in debian
• 2422[20:01:04] <lol1337> would thepiratebay be a problem with only firefox or do i need sandboxing and script turned off
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• 2425[20:01:13] <NetTerminalGene> if you install any desktop, it comes with it
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• 2427[20:01:23] <lol1337> k
• 2428[20:01:31] <lol1337> yes thats what i meant :)
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• 2431[20:02:02] <locodeviant> lol1337: why don't you simply take it for a spin? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! You won't look back... replaced-url
• 2432[20:02:14] <NetTerminalGene> it is better turning off script fo all sites
• 2433[20:03:02] <Shmam> Need help getting mysql-server installed. The mariadb startup fails and doesnt let me set the root password. replaced-url
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• 2437[20:04:37] <lol1337> yeah i sat a a whole lot in debian a couple months ago but now i have win 10 pro (so i have hyper-v again), so i just dont know what distros to install again :D
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• 2441[20:05:32] <NetTerminalGene> lol1337, are you going to install it as VM?
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• 2443[20:05:37] <lol1337> yes
• 2444[20:05:43] <NetTerminalGene> lol
• 2445[20:06:01] <lol1337> to play with, like to have my bought software at the same time as the linux
• 2446[20:06:04] <lol1337> :D
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• 2450[20:06:57] <locodeviant> lol1337: you should graduate to running Debian full-time.
• 2451[20:07:01] <NetTerminalGene> ok. first get used to it and install it as real os. and remove windows :O
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• 2453[20:08:36] <lol1337> hahaha never too much bought software in it, but i used to have it only on my last laptop
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• 2456[20:08:58] <lol1337> but why didnt i remember iptables
• 2457[20:09:00] <lol1337> -.-
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• 2460[20:09:43] <lol1337> but thank u for the info!
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• 2468[20:12:36] <petn-randall> ,v mysql-server
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• 2470[20:12:37] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.58-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.58-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.58-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.20-1
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• 2496[20:23:49] <jhutchins> I think my fileserver might actually be booting from the external USB backup drive.
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• 2524[20:36:57] <eagle1> i need help with transmission-daemon . anyone?
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• 2537[20:40:11] <eagle1> the problem is when i boot the system the transmission-daemon start correctly but when i see the web interface the torrent connect but dont start to download
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• 2540[20:40:29] <jasabelle> why do the debian live cds not include lvm?
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• 2547[20:42:38] <mnuhmnuh> eagle1: transmission-gtk (the one i've used) logs its actions, and even suggests settings improvements. look in there?
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• 2552[20:44:33] <mnuhmnuh> eagle1: could also bee no-one's currently asking for your torrents, or they're just still syncing up themselves.
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• 2554[20:45:19] <jasabelle> any recommendations for live images that include lvm?
• 2555[20:45:34] <jasabelle> i'm trying to recover a debian system
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• 2559[20:46:37] <mnuhmnuh> jasabelle: i use installer images for recovery, on usbkey these days.
• 2560[20:46:44] <petn-randall> jasabelle: I'd use grml for that, or the debian installer.
• 2561[20:47:16] <eagle1> jasabelle: testing iso
• 2562[20:47:42] <mnuhmnuh> jasabelle: as for lvm availability, dunno.
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• 2570[20:53:33] <mnuhmnuh> jasabelle: but i'd assume it'd be there.
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• 2585[21:02:38] <jasabelle> mnuhmnuh... surprised me :)
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• 2587[21:04:26] <jasabelle> oh it's on the image, blah
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• 2602[21:14:20] <hans_> petn-randall, xfs offer deduplication? since when?
• 2603[21:16:00] <hans_> jasabelle, Xubuntu
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• 2607[21:16:51] <jasabelle> on the image but not installed
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• 2613[21:18:59] <jhutchins> jasabelle: Right, because why would you have lvm on a cd-based system?
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• 2615[21:19:45] <jasabelle> same reason you'd have a whole string of kernel filesystem drivers?
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• 2617[21:20:00] <jasabelle> (i'm being naive here mind you)
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• 2621[21:20:47] <jasabelle> there's proably a good reason that i don quite understand :)
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• 2624[21:21:30] <jasabelle> but if i can mount reriserfs partitions in a live cd, including lvm doesnt seem a far stretch of the imagination to me
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• 2635[21:26:59] <jhutchins> jasabelle: As you see, it's included, just not enabled by default because there would usually be nothing for it to do.
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• 2638[21:27:18] <jhutchins> (This is another reason not to use LVM - one more layer between the OS and the filesystem.)
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• 2643[21:33:17] <lessthan500> can anyone recommend me a light laptop or netbook for less than 500 dollars that i can readily buy in California? preferably with built in wireless that does NOT require non free drivers/firmware
• 2644[21:33:23] <babilen> dioz: Please conspire elsewhere, ta
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• 2647[21:34:51] <dioz> conspire? i asked a question about the founder of debian in the debian channel on freenode
• 2648[21:34:55] <dioz> i don't consider that conspiracy
• 2649[21:35:04] <babilen> This is a technical support channel, take it elsewhere
• 2650[21:35:48] <lessthan500> where?
• 2651[21:35:55] <dioz> so the only debian related chats are if it's support related? how about if it's development related?
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• 2653[21:36:56] <annadane> lessthan500, you may try asking on linuxquestions.org forums, they have a hardware section
• 2654[21:37:03] <annadane> there's also hardware irc channels on freenode
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• 2656[21:38:28] <babilen> Either way, this channel is in no way appropriate, so lets move on
• 2657[21:38:38] <dioz> either way what?
• 2658[21:38:40] <jhutchins> Is there a utility that will "burn" an iso to a usb drive and validate the copy?
• 2659[21:38:45] <jhutchins> In linux
• 2660[21:39:09] <annadane> but linuxquestions is more likely to know, probably
• 2661[21:39:15] <annadane> hardware is more general purpose
• 2662[21:39:27] <lessthan500> jhutchins, replaced-url
• 2663[21:40:11] <annadane> ,v etcher
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• 2669[21:41:36] <zerocool> hey guys, i have a kind of complicated question... is it possible to use rsync to back up a disk like /dev/sda and then pack that to an iso so if needed you can "restore" the disk?
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• 2671[21:42:11] <zerocool> im just trying to think of ways to make it as easy as possible for people who dont know linux to get a fileserver back up and running asap.
• 2672[21:42:19] <zerocool> if needed
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• 2674[21:42:35] <dioz> zerocool: this is debian support channel only. you're looking for support for a very specific package. this channel, according to babilen, is for debian support only.
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• 2677[21:43:05] <jhutchins> lessthan500: Sadly not in debian.
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• 2680[21:43:54] <jhutchins> zerocool: Yes. You'd need something to boot from too though.
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• 2684[21:45:01] <jhutchins> zerocool: I suppose you could probably make a live DVD with the data on it.
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• 2691[21:46:43] <zerocool> jhutchins: yeah that's kinda what I was thinking... i guess i really don't understand how live images work is my problem
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• 2693[21:47:06] <zerocool> there's isolinux/syslinux there on the root of the ISO, where is the debian system that it boots?
• 2694[21:48:56] <lessthan500> jhutchins,not in the official debian repo but etcher does work on debian 9
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• 2698[21:50:58] <lessthan500> jhutchins, there is a lot of free (as in freedom) software that is not the official debian repo
• 2699[21:54:30] <jhutchins> zerocool: You can use isomaster - it's a GUI wrapper that unpacks the iso for you and lets you add/remove files, then remasters it. That plus a minimal live image. You'll need the space for the file copy and the image.
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• 2709[22:03:54] <somiaj> zerocool: there are lots of ways to go about it. Images can work, but they aren't that flexible. Another way is to clone the package list, and then after a reinstall, use the package list and install everything one use to have (though you would have to backup data and config files sepertally
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• 2735[22:16:20] <jhutchins> Very strange. Much different, more sensible output from fdisk after a reboot.
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• 2741[22:17:47] <jhutchins> Writing to it with rsync, it writes about a gig of data, then exits saying no more space, and the system no longer sees the drive.
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• 2759[22:22:37] <jhutchins> ... and after a reboot, there's nothing on the device.
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• 2762[22:22:56] <jhutchins> It's back to the way it was when I re-formatted it in Windows.
• 2763[22:25:44] <jhutchins> Trying dd again.
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• 2769[22:28:25] <jhutchins> Taking uch linger, which I consider a good sign. Not failing right away at least.
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• 2771[22:29:01] <jhutchins> I think we can conclude that rsync isn't a valid tool for burning an iso.
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• 2785[22:35:59] <jhutchins> Really odd, after copying the image to the USB it shows 3.7G empty and a 416K EFI partition.
• 2786[22:36:55] <jhutchins> Thunar shows files though.
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• 2788[22:37:40] <jhutchins> Off to try booting from it again.
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• 2800[22:44:29] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: an hour late but, md5sum (validate image copy)?
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• 2803[22:45:41] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Doesn't match the sum of the iso file, but it's a USB drive.
• 2804[22:46:02] <jhutchins> Won't boot, fails to load something like ldlinux.
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• 2808[22:48:22] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: i've always just used cp. never failed on functional hardware. "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" && reboot, select usbkey in bios.
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• 2810[22:48:58] <jhutchins> W10 also shows only the EFI partition.
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• 2813[22:50:22] <mnuhmnuh> linux ptns used to be invisible to win*. no crypto/hidden volume software necessary. :-) dunno about recent win*.
• 2814[22:51:05] <jhutchins> fdisk shows 3.7G empty and a 416K EFI partition, but thunar mounts it and shows files.
• 2815[22:51:50] <somiaj> is this an efi partition on a mbr partition table?
• 2816[22:52:43] <jhutchins> It's identified by fdisk and windows as EFI. I guess what I'm seeing is that the partition type for sdc1 is "Empty", it's not unallocated space.
• 2817[22:52:46] <somiaj> because I didn't think fdisk delt with GPT partition tables.
• 2818[22:53:16] <somiaj> (though usually it gives a warning when it encounters one, at least my experience)
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• 2820[22:53:32] <jhutchins> parted says the Name is Apple.
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• 2824[22:54:56] <jhutchins> somiaj: debian-8.7.1-amd64-DVD-1 should work with a non-EFI system shouldn't it?
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• 2827[22:57:30] <somiaj> jhutchins: oh this is a debian image?
• 2828[22:57:58] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: that's (sort of) what i used here: debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (Jul12), upgraded to buster/testing. non-efi, hp xeon tower box.
• 2829[22:58:04] <somiaj> I'm not sure on the exact details how it does it, but it supports both efi and legacy boot.
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• 2831[22:58:57] <jhutchins> somiaj: That's what I would expect, but my system won't boot from it.
• 2832[22:58:59] <mnuhmnuh> i had debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso running on it in Jan.
• 2833[22:59:09] <jhutchins> Unfortunately the DVD Drive appears to have died.
• 2834[22:59:21] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: On legacy BIOS?
• 2835[22:59:28] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
• 2836[22:59:30] <somiaj> jhutchins: you could try the 'flexiable' method with sys linux on a vfat partition
• 2837[23:00:00] <jhutchins> Maybe I'll just go get a drive.
• 2838[23:00:06] <somiaj> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 2840[23:00:43] <somiaj> jhutchins: it isn't to hard, basically create a vfat partition with standrd mbr, use syslinux to make it bootable and extract a copy of the iso on the usb drive. I haven't done it, but seems reasonable.
• 2841[23:02:09] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: 'sounds like using LILO in the old days. :-)
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• 2843[23:03:29] <somiaj> and it is fat16, not vfat, but that should support legacy boot
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• 2865[23:16:03] <jhutchins> somiaj: Does FAT32 work?
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• 2867[23:16:39] <jhutchins> I guess I should reformat it from the Windows format...
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• 2871[23:17:57] <jhutchins> somiaj: The doc says "You can choose between either the text-based or the graphical version of the installer. The latter can be found in the gtk subdirectory." What gtk subdirectory? Where do I find the text based installer?
• 2872[23:18:27] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: when you cp an iso to usbkey, it jusst blows away everything which is there. reformat useless, pointless.
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• 2876[23:20:21] <jhutchins> Ah, replaced-url
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• 2878[23:20:46] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Check the SB. Using the "manual/flexible" method.
• 2879[23:21:20] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Formatted it on a W10 machine because Debian wasn't understanding the partitioning.
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• 2886[23:26:41] <jhutchins> Off to the basement to try again. If this doesn't work, I reformat with mkdosfs and build it again.
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• 2891[23:28:02] <kion> looking for a good action game with good graphics that runs in Debian. Please give me your advice!
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• 2895[23:28:58] <daemon> hey all with parted how do I say to use the entire disk: mkpart ext2 1MiB 100%
• 2896[23:28:58] <daemon> ?
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• 2899[23:30:37] <booyah> kion: Tremulous. Urban Terror. and tons of games on Steam
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• 2901[23:31:19] <kion> booyah, thanks! sorry for my gaming ignorance, could you outline the process of getting a game in Steam?
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• 2903[23:32:29] <jhutchins> Nope. MBR FA:
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• 2906[23:36:11] <jhutchins> Reformat, redo.
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• 2908[23:36:52] <booyah> kion: steam is a payable platform. (though there are some free games too, also for linux)
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• 2911[23:37:32] <booyah> kion: you go to steam website and browse the store. later you probably install Steam client program for windows, and use it. in it you pay (e.g. creditcard, bitcoin -> now litecoin afaik) and it will download & install the game
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• 2913[23:37:47] <jhutchins> somiaj: Um, I'm assuming that the manual method will allow a rescue boot?
• 2914[23:37:55] <booyah> kion: as for free games, just browser the internet, few are in repository (apt-get) , others you download from somewhere and run
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• 2917[23:38:26] <kion> booyah, sorry but I don't do anything windows! for personal conviction reasons
• 2918[23:38:48] <kion> booyah, but thanks! for letting me know
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• 2920[23:39:54] <jhutchins> Once again...
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• 2923[23:40:54] <booyah> kion: typo. I mean client for linux. it works 100% on linux
• 2924[23:41:13] <kion> booyah, ohh cool I will take a look then :)
• 2925[23:41:23] <booyah> kion: you can filter available games to thoes that have linux (they call it "steamOS") version
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• 2936[23:47:34] <jhutchins> Must not be getting the MBR part with syslinux...
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• 2938[23:48:16] <jhutchins> Silly me, yes, I used the wrong command.
• 2939[23:48:29] <jhutchins> Off again...
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• 2944[23:51:38] <jhutchins> Also fails.
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• 2953[23:58:42] <jhutchins> Mrmph. Footnote: [3] Don't forget to set the “bootable” bootable flag.
• 2954[23:59:06] <jhutchins> Which I figured out on my own.
• 2955[23:59:11] <jhutchins> Again
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