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• 7[00:00:36] <ntz> hello
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• 9[00:00:49] <ntz> I have frustrating problem with gpg
• 10[00:01:06] <ntz> can somebody please help me ? if I decrypt some file for first time with ``gpg2 --decrypt-files /path'' I have then these processes up replaced-url
• 11[00:01:15] <ntz> and gpg doesn't ask me anymore for passhphrase
• 12[00:01:20] <ntz> if I pkill (or pkill -HUP) these processes I am still NOT asked for passphrase until reboot
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• 14[00:01:27] <ntz> wtf ????
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• 56[00:18:57] <rwp> ntz, Are you sure you have killed those processes? Because that paste shows it as the parent of your X session.
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• 62[00:20:23] <ntz> rwp: lemme show you
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• 64[00:20:28] <rwp> AFAIK the gpg-agent is simply caching for some period of time and will time out.
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• 70[00:21:06] <rwp> I am not familiar with it because I am not running it. But the docs say "gpgconf --kill gpg-agent" will terminate it.
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• 73[00:22:18] <ntz> rwp: thanks for input ... I've actually confused two things together :(
• 74[00:22:19] <PaddyF> similar to the ssh agent that remembers the key passphrase for some time?
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• 76[00:22:37] <PaddyF> or the sudo timeout?
• 77[00:22:42] <ntz> my original problem was different, lemme tell you
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• 79[00:23:05] <rwp> Yes. I have run into gpg-agent before. But although I use and recommend ssh-agent I know very little about gpg-agent. Other than it surprises people by being there when unexpected.
• 80[00:23:51] <ntz> I have some gpg keys and I use thunderbird+enigmail ... but now enigmail somehow magically doesn't need the passhprase and can decrypt mails, that are encrypted with one of my keys, instantly
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• 82[00:24:21] <ntz> I tried to reproduce that with plain gpg2 using same keys from commandline but it's different mechanism obviously
• 83[00:24:49] <ntz> rwp: you were correct, after pkill -HUPing gpg-agent it worked, I must had there typo before
• 84[00:25:23] <rwp> Glad to hear you figured out what was happening. It can be very disconcerting when dealing with a security layer like that to not have things make sense.
• 85[00:25:30] <ntz> but still, after clean startup and running TB, enigmail can decrypt instantly encrypted mails in my maibox without asking for passphrase
• 86[00:25:49] <rwp> Is that good or bad?
• 87[00:26:18] <ntz> that is bad .. same like with encrypted files .. I want enigmail to ask me for passhprase at least when accessing that for first time
• 88[00:26:39] <rwp> I am a mutt user and mutt itself caches the gpg passphrase for a while. Can tell mutt to forget the cached passphrase.
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• 96[00:32:48] <LtL> rwp: i don't know about mutt, but gpgconf may help out. man gpgconf
• 97[00:32:59] <rwp> ntz ^^
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• 100[00:35:07] <LtL> a better way to kill gpg-agent is 'gpgconf --kill gpg-agent' ... say after three failed attempts. ymmv
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• 105[00:38:42] <ntz> LtL: problem is, that obviously gpg agent is not involved in enigmail remembering the passhprase seems like :(
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• 110[00:40:50] <LtL> ntz: of course, but i was referring to gpg itself caching passphrases.
• 111[00:41:42] <LtL> or the agent, which is recent w/stretch iirc.
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• 153[01:02:16] <e3d3> After install ag (silver searcher) I get the message ""Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)"" in bash but not in zsh. What can I do to use ag in bash without sudo ?
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• 163[01:08:54] <friendofafriend> e3d3: Be root.
• 164[01:08:56] <e3d3> I tried solving by deleting the lockfiles and a reconfigure dpkg but without success
• 165[01:09:23] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I don't want to use root for a program that I use all the time
• 166[01:09:59] <e3d3> friendofafriend, it is like you need to be root for the cd or ls command
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• 170[01:10:21] <e3d3> In zsh it works without being root
• 171[01:10:49] <e3d3> why not in Bash ?
• 172[01:10:57] <friendofafriend> e3d3: You could set SUID on ag, of course.
• 173[01:11:16] <jmcnaught> it doesn't sound like it should need to be root
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• 176[01:11:50] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I'm not familiar with that
• 177[01:12:27] <friendofafriend> chmod u+s `which ag`
• 178[01:12:40] <friendofafriend> It makes a program run with permissions of the owner.
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• 180[01:13:10] <jmcnaught> e3d3: i just installed the silversearcher-ag package in stretch, then ran "ag" and didn't get that error. Is that what you did, or did you install the program some other way?
• 181[01:13:21] <e3d3> friendofafriend, Oh chmod-ing ! I never used that to 'repair' a fresh installed program
• 182[01:13:42] <e3d3> jmcnaught, I installed it with synaptic, also tried reinstalling
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• 184[01:15:20] <e3d3> jmcnaught, I use MX Linux 16.0, more or less stable version.
• 185[01:15:29] <friendofafriend> e3d3: I don't understand what you mean by repairing, in this context.
• 186[01:15:40] <e3d3> even for 'ag --help' it needs sudo !
• 187[01:15:52] <jmcnaught> I don't know what MX linux is, but it's quite possible that it has a bug that Debian does not
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• 190[01:16:23] <e3d3> friendofafriend, normaly programs just work after installing cq I never had to change SUID for a program
• 191[01:17:17] <friendofafriend> Right, and normally people would run the program with sudo instead. If that won't work, and su to root won't work, then you can just set the SUID bit.
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• 195[01:18:42] <e3d3> I change the SUID bit, without succes. I pretty sure that the program is not meant to be run as root, like e.g. grep, find or ls
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• 197[01:18:48] <e3d3> change = changed
• 198[01:19:04] <friendofafriend> Is the owner of the program "root"?
• 199[01:19:27] <jmcnaught> i wouldn't set a program like that to run as root all the time
• 200[01:19:39] <e3d3> friendofafriend, yes, the owner is root
• 201[01:19:54] <e3d3> jmcnaught, me neither
• 202[01:20:24] <armin> be careful with the SUID bit
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• 205[01:20:32] <friendofafriend> You could, as root, run "chmod 4755 `which ag`", to do it the numerical way.
• 206[01:20:49] <armin> still, be sure you know what you do when you do that
• 207[01:21:10] <e3d3> friendofafriend, still no succes
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• 212[01:21:57] <Pendrag0n1> here's a question, I want to launch a client script from a parent program. I want to prevent CTRL+z from being able to background the process/script. Is this even possible?
• 213[01:22:02] <e3d3> armin, I don't, but after trying to solve this for >2 days I don't care anymore. This system/distro seems to have many bugs
• 214[01:22:22] <jmcnaught> try Debian instead?
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• 216[01:22:47] <Pendrag0n1> :-)
• 217[01:23:27] <Pendrag0n1> holy crap, 1450 people in this room. I remember years ago, like in the late, late 90's when the number was lower than 100
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• 219[01:23:28] <friendofafriend> You could try also setting the group ID to be the wheel, with "chmod 6755 `which ag`".
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• 221[01:25:26] <friendofafriend> Pendrag0n1: Can't catch SIGKILL or SIGSTOP.
• 222[01:25:31] <e3d3> friendofafriend, tried, no succes. Maybe I should write a one-liner to try all the combinations ;)
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• 224[01:26:12] <Pendrag0n1> friendofafriend, I may be able to. My script is in python, and I can import sigterm, Is that what I need do? hmm..
• 225[01:26:19] <friendofafriend> e3d3: You could also use the full path to ag, which is what the `which ag` is supposed to handle for you.
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• 227[01:27:11] <e3d3> friendofafriend, YES, that works
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• 230[01:27:57] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I'm so happy with it / your help. Thank you very much
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• 232[01:28:09] <friendofafriend> e3d3: Very happy to hear it! You are very welcome. And as others have mentioned, it's not great to have anything SUID root on your system.
• 233[01:28:27] <e3d3> jmcnaught, solved. Thanks for the help
• 234[01:28:41] <friendofafriend> Any flaws in the ag program could then be used to gain root, so it's merely a workaround. :)
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• 238[01:29:06] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I should have looked at the default setting. How can I set it back ?
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• 241[01:29:34] <friendofafriend> e3d3: Just with "chmod 0755 <path>".
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• 244[01:30:03] <friendofafriend> Or chmod u-s <path>.
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• 250[01:30:38] <e3d3> friendofafriend, thanks again. I use chmod only to make scripts executable. Will read more about it, after the GB other stuff that waits
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• 252[01:31:09] <friendofafriend> Very welcome, you'll find lots more info with a Google search. Have a nice day!
• 253[01:32:24] <e3d3> friendofafriend, same to you. Here Google is absurd idiot; removes parts of words, point to non-relevant locations etc. Its getting harder & harder to use each day
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• 256[01:32:44] <friendofafriend> Google can be like that. ;)
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• 259[01:35:04] <Pendrag0n1> friendofafriend, I think you missed my last comment.
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• 261[01:35:19] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I just discovered that ag is aliased to 'apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade' !!!??
• 262[01:35:36] <e3d3> funny
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• 264[01:36:05] <e3d3> that's why it worked in zsh, where it wasn't aliased
• 265[01:36:15] <e3d3> >3 days trouble
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• 267[01:36:32] <friendofafriend> Oh hey, that's a really good catch. Way to go, e3d3!
• 268[01:36:48] <e3d3> now I understand why man bash talks about that aliases can be bugs
• 269[01:37:14] <e3d3> I should have noticed this much sooner
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• 272[01:38:29] <friendofafriend> Pendrag0n1: There's a stackoverflow about trying to catch SIGKILL/SIGSTOP with python, I'm not sure you'll have luck with it. replaced-url
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• 274[01:39:26] <Pendrag0n1> friendofafriend: Thank you sir, carry on the good work!
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• 276[01:39:57] <friendofafriend> You're very welcome! And likewise to you, Pendrag0n1.
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• 286[01:44:23] <e3d3> friendofafriend, ag is aliased in /etc/bash.bashrc so I never noticed it before. What a trouble for nothing. Thanks & bye.
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• 288[01:45:04] <e3d3> friendofafriend, luckaly I could find it easy & quick with ag now ;)
• 289[01:45:21] <friendofafriend> No big deal, now you know! That's a lot better than wondering.
• 290[01:46:06] <e3d3> friendofafriend, I have to write everything down, and made some scripts to retrieve my collected info. Linux is much to complex for me.
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• 307[01:56:37] <cybercrypto> hi there
• 308[01:56:43] <cybercrypto> 8-)
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• 311[01:58:50] <Pendrag0n1> friendofafriend: NICE! I figured it out, it can be done, you see, I can use signal to catch sigstop, and I can catch a sigkill and stop that with a different library (one I already wrote in the past) see:
• 312[01:59:02] <Pendrag0n1> jlee@pluto ~/github/PyTis/src/bin $ ./signal-test
• 313[01:59:02] <Pendrag0n1> My PID: 6644
• 314[01:59:02] <Pendrag0n1> ^ZCaught signal SIGTSTP (20), ignoring.
• 315[01:59:02] <Pendrag0n1> ^CCaught signal SIGINT (2), exiting.
• 316[01:59:02] <Pendrag0n1> jlee@pluto ~/github/PyTis/src/bin $
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• 321[02:00:36] <Pendrag0n1> hi cybercrypto!
• 322[02:00:38] <cybercrypto> Pendrag0n1: YOu can use pastebin instead. avoid flood.
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• 324[02:00:46] <whislock> Pendrag0n1 caught signal SIGHUP.
• 325[02:00:50] <Pendrag0n1> yeah, it was only 3 lines, I didn't think it would do it
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• 328[02:01:07] <cybercrypto> it happens sometimes :-)
• 329[02:01:09] <Mister_X> hello guys
• 330[02:01:19] <friendofafriend> Hey! That's fantastic news, Pendrag0n1! Way to go.
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• 332[02:01:37] <Pendrag0n1> I'm just very happy now, a project I've thought about for many years, I am now going to do, and it looks like it won't be that hard
• 333[02:01:48] <Pendrag0n1> it is called.. well I don't know, you guys want to help me name it?
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• 335[02:02:19] <Mister_X> I was wondering if there is a way to make apt/apt-get download all packages without installing them
• 336[02:02:24] <Mister_X> such as from a file
• 337[02:02:56] <Pendrag0n1> it is going to be a more secure bash, one that has a text based screen saver that forces a user to enter their password if they leave the shell idle for more than 3 minutes, like a putty shell that is opened from windows7, or 10 to a debian server, then a dumbarse goes ahead and sudo su - (to root) and walks away, very dangerous
• 338[02:02:56] <Mister_X> there are 100s of packages and trying to figure out an issue with one of them
• 339[02:03:21] <Pendrag0n1> Mister_X I know cygwin does it, so there must be a way
• 340[02:03:33] <friendofafriend> Mister_X: You're talking about "apt-get -d"?
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• 342[02:03:44] <friendofafriend> That is to say, "download only"?
• 343[02:03:54] <Pendrag0n1> Mister_X, but all packages, that is a TON of HD space, you are talking about many Gigs, maybe 2 or 3 Tb
• 344[02:04:21] <Pendrag0n1> oh, I miss-understood, I thought you meant all period, you mean all that are checked / marked
• 345[02:04:21] <joepublic> there are one hundreds of packages?
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• 347[02:04:44] <friendofafriend> If you're trying to download a package that's already been installed, you'll have to do that with aptitude, "aptitude download <package>".
• 348[02:05:07] <Pendrag0n1> cybercrypto: I was thinking msbash for "more secure bash" but then I realized people would associate that with microsuck, and I don't want that.
• 349[02:05:49] <Mister_X> friendofafriend, basically, I have 100s of packages I need to download, then install them separately to figure out which one cause the issue
• 350[02:05:54] <Pendrag0n1> Mister_X, I almost ALWAYS use aptitude instead of apt-get or apt-xxx just because it is easier to catch issues, like the one you may be having
• 351[02:06:02] <Mister_X> the list of packages to download would be from dist-upgrade
• 352[02:06:06] <friendofafriend> Mister_X: Are they already installed?
• 353[02:06:27] <friendofafriend> Oh, OK. Then just do a "apt-get -d dist-upgrade" and you're off!
• 354[02:06:43] <Mister_X> Pendrag0n1, packages get downloaded and installed correctly but render the system unbootable
• 355[02:06:50] <Mister_X> (using it in a VM)
• 356[02:06:51] <friendofafriend> You'll find the files in /var/cache/apt/archives.
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• 359[02:07:17] <Pendrag0n1> hmm, that sounds like a grub issue
• 360[02:07:17] <Mister_X> friendofafriend, I guess I can interrupt when it's done downloading
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• 362[02:07:43] <friendofafriend> Mister_X: No interruption necessary, it will not attempt to install the archives in "download only" mode.
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• 364[02:07:58] <Mister_X> Pendrag0n1, and that's what I want to figure out but grub isn't on the list
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• 366[02:08:15] <Pendrag0n1> friendofafriend: you'll laugh at this, I now have the script un-exitable. I caught everything. I am going to have to open a new shell to attempt to kill it some how
• 367[02:08:17] <Mister_X> ah ok, I missed the -d
• 368[02:08:20] <Pendrag0n1> perhaps with a -9
• 369[02:09:06] <Mister_X> thanks
• 370[02:09:07] <joepublic> if you catch -9 I'll be impressed.
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• 374[02:10:33] <friendofafriend> Mister_X: You're very welcome, "-d" is the same as "--download-only".
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• 376[02:11:52] <Pendrag0n1> joepublic: that's actually not that difficult, once you have written your own pid management and thread management, you kinda get the hang of how that stuff works.
• 377[02:12:41] <whislock> man 7 signal: "The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored."
• 378[02:12:42] <Mister_X> I didn't know it could be used with dist-upgrade, I assumed it always needed a package name(s)
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• 380[02:13:51] <Pendrag0n1> whislock: that's what it says, but it is wrong, I wish I could show you to prove it, well maybe it means in bash, it can't be, but I am using python, and low OS level manipulation.
• 381[02:14:27] <joepublic> I would still be pretty impressed with a script that can catch SIGKILL.
• 382[02:14:42] <Pendrag0n1> I already am
• 383[02:14:46] <Pendrag0n1> just not -9
• 384[02:15:00] <Pendrag0n1> but I don't want to block that, or I'll have no way of killing this if I need to
• 385[02:15:03] <joepublic> 9 is SIGKILL. SIGKILL is a #define for "9".
• 386[02:15:05] <whislock> Pendrag0n1: Yeah, that's SIGKILL. You can't catch SIGKILL. Period.
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• 388[02:15:42] <Pendrag0n1> ah, well, you can and can't, it will break it out by removing the pid, file, but if you monitor the pid file yourself, you can just loop back and re-create it I believe
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• 391[02:16:08] <Pendrag0n1> don't quote me on that, but my expertise is in attempting to, and accomplishing writing things that people say can't be written.
• 392[02:16:26] <Pendrag0n1> anywho, I am going to go and try to write this now, still open to any name suggestions.
• 393[02:16:32] <joepublic> I see. How about a nice GNU/HURD kernel then.
• 394[02:16:54] <Pendrag0n1> lmao
• 395[02:16:59] <Pendrag0n1> yeah, I'll get right on that
• 396[02:17:09] <joepublic> that would impress me more than signal catching.
• 397[02:17:10] <Pendrag0n1> I'll be around, tty all later
• 398[02:17:14] <joepublic> peace.
• 399[02:17:22] <Pendrag0n1> peace brothers
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• 401[02:17:30] <friendofafriend> Later, Pendrag0n1.
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• 403[02:17:48] <friendofafriend> "Signal 9 From Outer Space".
• 404[02:17:53] <cybercrypto> good lucky finding a name
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• 506[03:28:46] <greatgatsby> any commandline spellchecker that can check one-off words without requiring the word to be in a file? I want to pass the word to check as a commandline arg.
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• 517[03:35:32] <SlidingHorn> greatgatsby: I know aspell is available on Ubuntu - I don't have a debian system to check at the moment, but look for it with apt
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• 519[03:36:46] <greatgatsby> SlidingHorn, thanks. Got a tip in another channel too that spell can take input from stdin: echo 'words to check' | aspell list
• 520[03:36:57] <greatgatsby> that will at least tell me it's spelled incorrectly
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• 654[04:59:47] <tharkun> Good day is there some aditional quirk that debian is modifying under mariadb client? I am trying to connect to the db server that is running on 127.0.0.1 using -h 127.0.0.1 and instead the client displays a message about @'localhost' wich it obviously does not have access privilidges. Any suggestions?
• 655[05:00:28] <tharkun> I allready asked on mariadb but I am not even certain about where the problem lies. (forgive my ortography is a bit rusted=
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• 666[05:08:41] <themill> tharkun: I have a vague memory that when you say 'localhost' it means via the unix socket and when you say 127.0.0.1 it means via TCP/IP. (Don't trust me on this... it would be a decade since I played with mysql at that level)
• 667[05:09:51] <themill> that might be just some language's wrapper though
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• 708[05:38:25] <SerajewelKS> tharkun: the default install sets it up so that root can login passwordless. this means you have to use the unix socket (which, as themill said, means you have to say localhost and not 127.0.0.1).
• 709[05:38:44] <SerajewelKS> because the other side of a unix socket can see which user is making the connection, but this is not true of IP packets
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• 711[05:39:04] <SerajewelKS> so mariadb basically uses the user on the other side of the socket as the authenticated user
• 712[05:40:13] <SerajewelKS> once you have logged in as root, you can grant access to another user with IDENTIFIED BY to set a password, then that user can log in with TCP
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• 715[05:40:31] <SerajewelKS> oblio: btw i am still here, regarding your swap issue. however,
• 716[05:40:32] <SerajewelKS> !pm
• 717[05:40:33] <dpkg> [pm] private message (something you don't do without asking for permission first, see <private>), or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron, or provocative/preventative/percussive maintenance, or power management (see <pm debug>)
• 718[05:40:41] <SerajewelKS> !private
• 719[05:40:41] <dpkg> NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd.
• 720[05:41:07] <SerajewelKS> i did not see your messages because you PM'd me. don't PM people in this channel.
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• 735[05:51:28] <guru____________> I just installed libsdl2-dev:i386 and I created chaos replaced-url
• 736[05:51:53] <guru____________> I see a post about this: replaced-url
• 737[05:51:58] <tharkun> themill: yes you are right. BTW Happy new year
• 738[05:52:30] <guru____________> I'm multiarch
• 739[05:52:36] <themill> o/
• 740[05:52:43] <guru____________> \o
• 741[05:52:56] <tharkun> SerajewelKS: yes, you are also right.
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• 745[05:55:20] <themill> guru____________: what's your objective in installing that package?
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• 751[06:00:54] <guru____________> themill: some game on steam required it
• 752[06:01:09] <guru____________> how do i ugh remove this package
• 753[06:01:21] <themill> requiring a package for building things is unusual
• 754[06:01:49] <themill> "dpkg -r libsdl2-dev:i386 gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386" should do it
• 755[06:02:19] <themill> the pkg scripts may well fail again of course
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• 757[06:03:22] <guru____________> replaced-url
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• 760[06:05:28] <themill> keep going with libibus-1.0-dev:i386
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• 796[06:33:14] <themill> guru____________: it might be time for a brutal solution: deleting the prerm script for gir1.2-ibus-1.0? (/var/lib/dpkg/info/gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386.prerm)
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• 798[06:36:54] <guru____________> i have no idea what that did but i was able to autoremove the other packages
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• 800[06:36:58] <guru____________> and i appreciate the help
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• 923[08:13:10] <ozzloy> what's up with replaced-url
• 924[08:13:46] <ozzloy> i'm trying to view packages for examples of how to handle systemd files
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• 927[08:14:02] <darxmurf> morning
• 928[08:14:22] <darxmurf> quick question, what means "agno = xxx" when you launch a XFS_REPAIR ?
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• 930[08:14:57] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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• 932[08:17:00] <EdePopede> ozzloy: replaced-url
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• 935[08:18:55] <ozzloy> EdePopede, thanks!
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• 937[08:19:33] <darxmurf> I love those mornings when you find out a 100Tb volume is crashed
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• 939[08:19:47] <EdePopede> there were better migrations in the history of the web though
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• 941[08:20:24] <EdePopede> darxmurf: ouch. dataloss or just a lot of work?
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• 951[08:24:07] <ozzloy> EdePopede, is this the right place to look for vsftpd: replaced-url
• 952[08:24:24] <ozzloy> or lighttpd
• 953[08:24:41] <ozzloy> wait, no, found lighttpd
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• 957[08:25:49] <EdePopede> ,v vsftpd
• 958[08:25:50] <judd> Package: vsftpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.5-3; jessie: 3.0.2-17+deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.3-8+b1; buster: 3.0.3-11; sid: 3.0.3-11
• 959[08:26:43] <EdePopede> ozzloy: you can stay on PDO, only when it comes to the repos... replaced-url
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• 964[08:28:00] <ozzloy> EdePopede, i'm looking for debian/ folders for examples of how to handle systemd files when creating packages
• 965[08:28:14] <EdePopede> hm. also links to alioth, but not on salsa
• 966[08:28:24] <ozzloy> i'm not seeing ...
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• 970[08:30:05] <dionysus69> where is libzmq5 installed?
• 971[08:30:06] <ozzloy> i guess i can download the tar.*z from here replaced-url
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• 974[08:30:43] <ozzloy> dionysus69, dpkg -L libzmq5
• 975[08:30:47] <dionysus69> thx !
• 976[08:31:00] <ozzloy> np
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• 979[08:31:36] <EdePopede> ozzloy: this or you grab the .deb. you'd have a working blueprint then to play with.
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• 985[08:33:11] <ozzloy> how do i get the deb?
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• 987[08:33:44] <ozzloy> o maybe i found it
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• 997[08:37:30] <EdePopede> ozzloy: `apt-get` with `source [--download-only]` or `download`
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• 1000[08:41:00] <gentlemagic> why dont use Synaptic Package Manager
• 1001[08:41:04] <ozzloy> EdePopede, thanks!
• 1002[08:41:30] <ozzloy> gentlemagic, prefer command line because i type faster than i move a mouse
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• 1004[08:41:57] <EdePopede> because synaptic *duck*
• 1005[08:42:31] <gentlemagic> i ve just used debian few months, rarely use command line
• 1006[08:42:43] <EdePopede> i think i messed up something some time back when i tried them all, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic. and then something went wrong.
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• 1009[08:43:31] <gentlemagic> what is best IRC client?
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• 1011[08:43:50] <EdePopede> i like a UI at least in the start period, so i went with aptitude in squeeze. not apt-get, aptitude isn't even installed
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• 1013[08:44:28] <EdePopede> !best
• 1014[08:44:28] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 1015[08:44:53] <EdePopede> heh. gentlemagic: actually depends on your habits, possibilities and workflow
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• 1018[08:46:09] <gentlemagic> which has rich features and good UI ?
• 1019[08:46:30] <EdePopede> cli vs. curses vs. gui, mouse or keyboard, do you want images... last week i've seen a user who doesn't like any client at all, but prefers mibbit
• 1020[08:47:01] <EdePopede> builtin features? you can script a lot or use some existing script to do whatever
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• 1023[08:47:53] <gentlemagic> i prefer Discord, this IRC all text, boring
• 1024[08:47:55] <EdePopede> i use hexchat. after years of xchat. has perl, python, lua for scripting. irssi or weechat may go for the terminal.
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• 1026[08:48:37] <EdePopede> electron, really?
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• 1031[08:49:14] <kirk781> Text's where the magic at.
• 1032[08:49:24] <kirk781> Images and emojis are for the weak
• 1033[08:49:24] <EdePopede> what's the relevant difference to skype?
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• 1035[08:49:43] <kirk781> Though technically, IRC is an open protocol while Discord is propreitary.
• 1036[08:49:53] <kirk781> Discord as a software can cease to exist
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• 1038[08:49:59] <kirk781> EdePopede, Skype sucks, err
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• 1042[08:50:22] <EdePopede> discord is electron?
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• 1044[08:50:30] <kirk781> EdePopede, Their desktop app, yes
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• 1046[08:50:38] <EdePopede> so it sucks too, per definition
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• 1048[08:50:56] <EdePopede> useless waste of ressources in daily usage
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• 1053[08:52:05] <kirk781> EdePopede, True. Electron apps are messy
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• 1056[08:52:27] <EdePopede> i had skype running for some years on one of my desktops, after i had icq in my try for years. when M$ killed skype for linux, the game was over. i won't buy a new computer just because of a messenger
• 1057[08:52:41] <gentlemagic> you re too chippy
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• 1059[08:53:21] <EdePopede> tried the game with fritz before, their basic idea is good, but i got no place here for such a memory and cpu hog
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• 1061[08:54:07] <kirk781> EdePopede, MS fscked a lot with Skype. From creating a new UWP version to a web based version, it was mismanagement
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• 1063[08:54:13] <EdePopede> gentlemagic: i just know better things i can do with my money than to get a new pc every year and double power usage while using it
• 1064[08:54:21] <kirk781> At one point, Skype was so bad that even messages wouldn't properly sync between PCs always
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• 1070[08:55:14] <EdePopede> heh i've heard this from window/${google_OS} users. pc and mobile not having the same state
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• 1072[08:55:50] <kirk781> Microsoft possibly doesn't even care about Skype much now
• 1073[08:56:11] <kirk781> They even tried to create a new Messages app for the new Windows but then abandoned it as well.
• 1074[08:56:17] <EdePopede> i've read skype for business is their own old messenger?
• 1075[08:56:43] <EdePopede> and somehow they were trying to bring both systems together
• 1076[08:56:55] <kirk781> I dunno. I haven't used it. But it shouldn't be different, especially at this point of time
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• 1079[08:57:20] <EdePopede> for companies skype should be a no-go
• 1080[08:57:35] <EdePopede> public data was meant to be a different thing
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• 1082[08:57:43] <kirk781> EdePopede, MS is replacing Skype for Business with Microsoft Teams
• 1083[08:58:13] <kirk781> Teams is like Slack, it seems
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• 1085[08:58:39] <EdePopede> microsofts advantage is the integration in all that office/management thing
• 1086[08:59:00] <kirk781> That advantage has been touted for quite some time. But they haven't delivered on it
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• 1088[09:00:08] <EdePopede> as long as you're at home it really didn't matter if you used word or wordperfect or wordstar. the fun began when you had to exchange documents :)
• 1089[09:00:23] <kirk781> WordPerfect is old
• 1090[09:00:23] <EdePopede> and since this is what you do all the time with messengers, well...
• 1091[09:00:30] <kirk781> Old Times
• 1092[09:00:45] <EdePopede> i liked it. start it and watch at an empty blue screen.
• 1093[09:00:57] <EdePopede> the trend came back some years ago
• 1094[09:01:34] <EdePopede> distraction free writing, firefox has a reader mode...
• 1095[09:02:22] <kirk781> EdePopede, did you try Vivaldi?
• 1096[09:02:25] <EdePopede> now try to connect 2 people, one has slack, one has discord. (not sure of either knows XMPP)
• 1097[09:02:45] <kirk781> Theoretically, both of them can be bridged to IRC :p
• 1098[09:02:48] <EdePopede> kirk781: short time only. but still on the list
• 1099[09:02:49] <EdePopede> hehe
• 1100[09:03:58] <EdePopede> if you write you don't need "more" than irc. only for talk or video. keeps the hands free and you can go on doing whatever you were doing.
• 1101[09:04:19] <kirk781> I would need more if I had people to chat with :p
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• 1103[09:04:35] <kirk781> In large swathes of the world, though WhatsApp has become ubiquitous
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• 1107[09:05:31] <EdePopede> and if i wouldn't like hexchat i would have switched for a long time now to irssi. only when i had the idea it looked like i'd had to config or script it and that would have been too much for that moment
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• 1113[09:05:52] <EdePopede> they want your phone number, right?
• 1114[09:05:56] <ozzloy> anyone here have their own xmpp server running?
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• 1126[09:06:23] <kirk781> EdePopede, Whatsapp? Yes
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• 1129[09:06:37] <EdePopede> kirk781: so -> *plonk*
• 1130[09:06:41] <EdePopede> nexp app please
• 1131[09:06:45] <kirk781> IIRC, Telegram is a better alternative than WhatsApp because the former has a dedicated desktop app
• 1132[09:06:46] <EdePopede> s/p/t/
• 1133[09:06:59] <kirk781> I assume majority of mobile messaging apps require a phone nos to work
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• 1135[09:07:24] <EdePopede> open source, open protocol, e2ee, did i forget something?
• 1136[09:07:25] <kirk781> Maybe Apple's iMessages could be an exception; but it's propreitary
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• 1138[09:07:48] <kirk781> EdePopede, Maybe Signal?
• 1139[09:08:08] <kirk781> IIRC, Edward Snowden recommended Signal
• 1140[09:08:33] <EdePopede> was an option. the problem is of course (see my word processor example) if you're the only one with the system you know, it doesn't make much sense ;)
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• 1143[09:08:59] <EdePopede> and most people i know use some proprietary stuff (besides irc usually)
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• 1145[09:09:20] <EdePopede> because the people they know mostly use $messenger
• 1146[09:09:31] <EdePopede> damn swarm behaviour
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• 1149[09:10:56] <EdePopede> ah, was the one with domain fronting
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• 1155[09:12:49] <EdePopede> is this the same Signal in #3? replaced-url
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• 1281[10:30:32] <at0m> also, WhatsApp is facebook
• 1282[10:30:54] <at0m> EdePopede: worth to consider^ in choosing
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• 1291[10:34:32] <EdePopede> i took the short path of > is_closed_source & wants_number & is_evil [& ... ]
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• 1293[10:36:23] <EdePopede> to cite Grimm's Aschenputtel (aka Cinderella): „die guten ins Töpfchen, die schlechten ins Kröpfchen.“
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• 1296[10:38:25] <JustASlacker> wtf is a kröpfchen
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• 1300[10:41:11] <Fox> JustASlacker: don't know but you could translate the sentence to "eat the best and stew the rest"
• 1301[10:41:12] <EdePopede> JustASlacker: Kropf is where birds keep the food for their... descendants (really?)
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• 1305[10:41:53] <EdePopede> fox: is this the english version? never seen it in that language
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• 1307[10:42:22] <Fox> e
• 1308[10:42:24] <Fox> oups
• 1309[10:42:32] <Fox> EdePopede: according to google :)
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• 1311[10:43:11] <EdePopede> ah, the equivalent expression :)
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• 1322[10:48:57] <JustASlacker> uhh
• 1323[10:49:12] <JustASlacker> so you give the bad ones to the birds
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• 1344[11:00:45] <Voyager_MP> good morning, can anyone explain me why debian stable is not delivering a maintained php.7.2 ? php70 is out of support
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• 1352[11:04:22] <Voyager_MP> is debian maintaining php5 and php7 securityupdates ?
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• 1354[11:04:51] <SwedeMike> Voyager_MP: that's typically how it works. Debian keeps the version stable for duration of lifetime of release, but also does security maintenance on it.
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• 1356[11:05:15] <SwedeMike> Voyager_MP: there are lots of examples of ancient versions in debian stable.
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• 1359[11:05:49] <Voyager_MP> so php5.33 is still in support from debian
• 1360[11:06:02] <Voyager_MP> security updates ...
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• 1364[11:08:11] <themill> Voyager_MP: if backwards compatibility were there for php7.0→php7.x then that would be a more plausible prospect. When you've got to break and/or upgrade every php-using application as well, you have a mess.
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• 1370[11:10:46] <Voyager_MP> I don't really get it
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• 1372[11:11:35] <Voyager_MP> will there be security update for php5 until 2020 ? (lifetime of jessy)
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• 1381[11:13:55] <SwedeMike> Voyager_MP: I don't see why there wouldn't. That's how it's always been done.
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• 1384[11:16:31] <Voyager_MP> so when there is a bugreport in php5 debian will patch there version ?
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• 1386[11:16:54] <SwedeMike> Voyager_MP: that's the job of the maintainer, yes.
• 1387[11:16:57] <jelly> Voyager_MP: keep in mind definitions of security support for LTS are limited for php interpreter.
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• 1395[11:22:44] <Voyager_MP> can you explain me the process ? When there will be a bug in php5 ?
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• 1397[11:23:38] <themill> it gets fixed
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• 1399[11:24:05] <themill> (or triaged as unimportant)
• 1400[11:24:08] <SwedeMike> Voyager_MP: replaced-url
• 1401[11:24:18] <SwedeMike> specifically replaced-url
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• 1403[11:24:39] <Sveta> Voyager_MP yes, new fixes get added for a while
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• 1410[11:26:00] <themill> replaced-url
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• 1424[11:34:38] <Voyager_MP> great, thx
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• 1431[11:39:01] <thresh> I've came upon a call for testing for Secure Boot: replaced-url
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• 1508[12:26:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1520[12:33:22] <v0idpwn> Hello. I made a usb stick to install Debian at my computer. It boots, but it fails to mount the cd-rom. What I'm I doing wrong?
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• 1522[12:34:16] <v0idpwn> I tried `mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom`, but it said it had an invalid argument.
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• 1524[12:35:20] <v0idpwn> My USB is NTFS formatted. Is that the problem?
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• 1526[12:36:56] <v0idpwn> I've also not disabled secure boot, just selected an option in my BIOS for "other OS"
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• 1530[12:38:35] <towo^work> if you made a stick, how you have done it?
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• 1537[12:40:52] <v0idpwn> I used UUI, from pendrivelinux
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• 1540[12:43:32] <v0idpwn> Just read an stackoverflow saying to unplug and plug again. Guess I'll try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1640[13:59:44] <v0idpwn> So... I just opened Debian 9.6 Live w/ mate, but I can`t seem to find the installer. How can I do it?
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• 1644[14:00:20] <kirk781> It isn't on the desktop?
• 1645[14:00:41] <Aebian> Hi guys, I have a strange issue. I have three VMs running. one of them seem to be unable to do dns lookups. Network configuration matches 1:1 except that the IP address differs. XXX.XX.XX.X71 / XXX.XX.XX.X72 / XXX.XX.XX.X73 // VM with 71 & 72 at the end can ping domains just fine and will get instant an IP address back. However on VM 73 I get the error 'ping: google.ca: Temporary failure in name resolution' Nameserverrs in /etc/netwo
• 1646[14:00:42] <Aebian> Anything I can check further? resolvconf is on all three VMs installed.
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• 1648[14:01:19] <n4dir> v0idpwn: quite some in this channel would recommend against using the live CD
• 1649[14:01:22] <n4dir> s to install.
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• 1653[14:02:43] <v0idpwn> It is not.
• 1654[14:03:15] <v0idpwn> n4dir: why?
• 1655[14:03:34] <n4dir> because it is known to cause problems. I guess
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• 1659[14:04:08] <n4dir> can't say i follow those discussions very closely, as i never had the desire to install via liveCD
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• 1667[14:08:04] <v0idpwn> As I have a pretty slow connection and I already downloaded it, I'm willing to try.
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• 1670[14:08:23] <Lope> any thoughts regarding the administrative cost of KVM vs LXC?
• 1671[14:08:26] <v0idpwn> I found a debian-installer file on /lib/live/mount/medium/dists/stretch/main/debian-installer
• 1672[14:08:51] <n4dir> i see. What i would do is ls /usr/bin/*install* ; same for sbin, if no result, same with *debian*. No clue if that will work though
• 1673[14:09:00] <Lope> I'm thinking KVM will have less admin cost because I can live migrate
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• 1675[14:09:11] <Lope> But then I wonder how the 2 options compare for snapshotting.
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• 1677[14:10:13] <blackflow> Lope: use ZFS under them and they'll compare the same. administrative overhead is more or less the same already.
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• 1680[14:10:53] <jolt> Lope: They are pretty much the same. You need a good shared filesystem to do live migration etc. The question is mainly if containers are enough, or if you need full virtualization
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• 1682[14:12:03] <Lope> jolt, containers are enough for 99% of what I do.
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• 1684[14:12:09] <jolt> we have a metric shit-ton of lxc, most of the don't have a lot of usage, so combined they take very little resources. Each kvm/qemu guest is much bigger just by being idle. But you if need different OS'es etc, then it's ok
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• 1686[14:12:21] <Lope> But I don't mind using a tiny bit more system resources to run KVM instead of LXC
• 1687[14:12:24] <jolt> Lope: Then I vote for lxc. much quicker to clone and create new hosts
• 1688[14:12:40] <jolt> Nothing stops ju from running both anyway
• 1689[14:12:45] <Lope> One huge problem with LXC is it doesn't have it's own virtual TTY's, it consumes the host's TTYs and thats a huge problem for me.
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• 1691[14:13:09] <Lope> jolt, yeah I can run LXC inside KVM VM's, for sure.
• 1692[14:13:20] <jolt> Lope: Not sure I understand that part, haven't been a problem for me here
• 1693[14:13:35] <jolt> Lope: I meant on the same level, but sure, you can do that as well
• 1694[14:13:43] <Lope> jolt, whats the most LXC containers you've run on a host?
• 1695[14:13:56] <Lope> jolt, well, perhaps I should change my approach.
• 1696[14:13:58] <v0idpwn> Got nothing, n4dir
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• 1698[14:14:08] <jolt> Lope: 20 maybe
• 1699[14:14:31] <n4dir> v0idpwn: i searched the web a bit, but for sure get no hint. to sum it up: sorry, no clue.
• 1700[14:15:11] <Lope> jolt, what I tend to do is start the container, then start a screen session inside it, then run whatever inside the screen. Makes it very convenient to login to the container, list it's various screens, attach to whatever screen needs attention, see whatever program was recently dumping stuff into the screen via stdout and stderr. Can stop and restart the program etc.
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• 1702[14:15:18] <Lope> Screen doesn't really work inside LXC.
• 1703[14:15:23] <jolt> Lope: I don't have them connected to the hosts tty, so for our dev's it's network only. Not sure if that blocks the tty's or what your use case is
• 1704[14:15:46] <Lope> So I suppose if I use systemD services instead of screen, that would resolve my need for screen and TTY's in LXC.
• 1705[14:16:05] <Lope> I've also tried unsuccessfully to get tmux working inside LXC.
• 1706[14:16:10] <jolt> Lope: Sorry, but programs should use syslog, and I ship it to our syslog hosts (and elastic), less need for local storage
• 1707[14:16:17] <Lope> And I've tried systemd containers, also no joy there with screen/tmux.
• 1708[14:17:00] <Lope> jolt, yeah I suppose I should use syslog. So do you setup everything as a systemd service, then use rsyslog?
• 1709[14:17:05] <jolt> Lope: a dev might use tmux for running locally, but they do that stuff over ssh. All software will just dump to syslog
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• 1711[14:17:27] <jolt> Lope: depends on the software, but pretty much yeah
• 1712[14:17:43] <jolt> Lope: worst case, just | logger
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• 1715[14:17:56] <Lope> jolt, a huge amount of software I've ever used (and written) dumps stuff into the console.
• 1716[14:18:03] <Lope> For example node.js apps that do console.log
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• 1719[14:18:11] <Lope> or php/bash scripts that do echo.
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• 1721[14:18:26] <Lope> Of course they can be made to dump stuff into syslog instead.
• 1722[14:18:34] <Lope> (for my own scripts/software)
• 1723[14:18:48] <Lope> But generally for ease of development I always use stdout.
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• 1726[14:19:21] <Lope> The stdout/syslog issue is not really an issue, because systemd services allow you to redirect stdout to syslog.
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• 1728[14:19:58] <jolt> Lope: Sure, I get that. but if you login to the vm over ssh, is that still an issue then?
• 1729[14:20:10] <Lope> jolt, yeah regarding ` foo | logger` there's also software like forever, and of course just running stuff > /customlog 2>&1
• 1730[14:20:22] <jolt> Lope: Need to run, good luck with your choice!
• 1731[14:20:30] <v0idpwn> >nodejs
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• 1734[14:21:12] <Lope> jolt, the issue with LXC was mostly regarding the ability to run multiple things at once, and be able to exit the SSH session and have them keep running.
• 1735[14:21:20] <Lope> jolt, I used to use screen for that purpose.
• 1736[14:21:29] <Lope> Or forever, perhaps, inside screen.
• 1737[14:22:03] <Lope> But screen/tmux doesn't work in LXC or systemd containers in my experience and googling/attempts to get it working.
• 1738[14:22:25] <Lope> jolt, what do you use for snapshotting your LXC containers?
• 1739[14:22:59] <xand> screen and tmux work just fine in LXC
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• 1745[14:23:39] <xand> LXC runs a whole OS just with a shared kernel
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• 1747[14:23:53] <Lope> xand, I've tried. I was unable to have multiple containers running multiple screens, and having multiple screens on the host without interference.
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• 1749[14:24:10] <xand> eh
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• 1751[14:24:57] <Lope> LXC in my experience doesn't make any virtual TTY's. Each container has to have either NO TTY (i think that's possible) or consume one of the host's TTY's. You can't have 2 LXC containers share 1 host TTY for example. And the host only has 10 or less TTY's.
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• 1755[14:25:44] <Lope> xand, because of my habit of using screen, I basically never started actually using LXC.
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• 1765[14:27:27] <IniGit> hi
• 1766[14:27:36] <IniGit> does anybody know a solution to this problem: replaced-url
• 1767[14:27:39] <IniGit> ?
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• 1775[14:29:45] <SlidingHorn> IniGit: ...I would assume by following the answer below it
• 1776[14:30:09] <IniGit> doesen't work
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• 1779[14:30:36] <SlidingHorn> IniGit: are you using ubuntu or Debian?
• 1780[14:30:37] <xand> Lope: hmm never had any such problems
• 1781[14:30:41] <IniGit> Ubuntu
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• 1784[14:31:06] <IniGit> the last time I tried specifying an UUID from an enccrypted partition in fstab my Ubuntu did not boot
• 1785[14:31:13] <Lope> xand, so have you run multiple screens on multiple LXC containers simultaneously and had multiple screens on the host, all at the same time?
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• 1787[14:31:19] <IniGit> you can only specify the UUID of the decrypted partition
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• 1789[14:31:30] <v0idpwn> n4dir: "Important Note: YUMI was intended to be used to try to run various "LIVE Linux" Operating Systems from USB. Installing Linux from the YUMI created USB Drive to a Hard Drive is not officially supported. If the installer portion of any Live Linux distro does work, consider it a bonus."
• 1790[14:31:31] <v0idpwn> heh
• 1791[14:31:33] <IniGit> gnome-disks also does not let you alter mount options of LUKS paritions
• 1792[14:31:38] <SlidingHorn> IniGit: You should keep your request to the Ubuntu channel. I'm answering in there too
• 1793[14:31:41] <Lope> xand, you're not really addressing the TTY issue, just saying you've not had a problem. So it seems unlikely you've really tested it properly.
• 1794[14:31:52] <IniGit> SlidingHorn: ok thx
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• 1796[14:31:58] <Aebian> I try to mount an iso via ``sudo mount /home/depot/Images/template/iso/debian-9.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /media/dvd -oloop`` however as soon as I use apt-cdrom (sudo apt-cdrom --cdrom=/media/dvd add) the disk (iso) gets ejected
• 1797[14:32:00] <Lope> xand, can you please show me a example LXC config that you use?
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• 1799[14:32:09] <Aebian> any ideas what I'm doing wrong here?
• 1800[14:32:16] <Aebian> I also tried with -oloop
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• 1808[14:33:38] <n4dir> v0idpwn: back in the early days of debian-live they didn't even contain an installer at all. A dude from forums debian fooled with a script from Mint, python back then, made it bash, and that was the birth of the refracta-installer (which basically just rsyncs the whole live stuff to harddisk). End of pointless memories.
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• 1825[14:39:14] <Aebian> issue with dvd mount fixed. creating an entry in the /etc/fstab seems to helped
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• 1853[14:47:26] <_Onyx47_> Hello all, does anyone know if it's possible to add and use a HTTPS repository in a preseed file during installation, or will I have to put it in a late_command script? Assuming the latter, but if I can avoid it...
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• 1855[14:48:15] <jolt> Lope: well, if you ssh in and run tmux, then just detach and log out? Behaves just like a normal system
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• 1872[14:56:09] <danielboston26> Does anyone know if gnome-keyring is still breaking gpg? Specifically the smart card integration?
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• 1882[14:59:54] <danielboston26> I guess it has been fixed?
• 1883[15:00:29] <ws2k3> i installed zookeeper and zookeeperd from the debian repository, i there somewhere a zookeeper client in the package?
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• 1891[15:03:00] <danielboston26> Does anyone know if gnome-keyring is still breaking gpg? Specifically the smart card integration?
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• 1914[15:15:10] <Fox> ws2k3: did you install zookeeper-bin ?
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• 1916[15:17:07] <LtL> danielboston26: i have the keyring installed with no gpg problems, can't help reggarding smart card.
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• 1919[15:18:01] <LtL> *typo
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• 1941[15:31:50] <centrix> On Deb 8.10 I issued 'klist' and got "klist: Credentials cache file '/tmp/krb5cc_0' not found", but the box is joined to our AD. Was that done by the winbind/samba tools?
• 1942[15:32:21] <centrix> for wbinfo -t works
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• 1944[15:32:47] <centrix> checking the trust secret for domain DOM01 via RPC calls succeeded
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• 1946[15:33:21] <centrix> My question is: Is it necessary to use kinit to join an AD?
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• 2004[15:59:33] <PaddyF> produce, produce, produce
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• 2006[16:00:23] <kirk781> Producing paddy?
• 2007[16:00:55] <PaddyF> yes :) i wanna try user support but nobody asks :(
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• 2010[16:01:43] <PaddyF> ah, now i have an idea. browsing bug reports!
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• 2013[16:02:43] <centrix> How can I locate the kerberos credential cache file?
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• 2021[16:08:46] <ws2k3> can i do this? /smb *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) to allow everyone to mount?
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• 2025[16:10:39] <greycat> ws2k3: it does appear to match one of the examples in exports(5). The one for /pub.
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• 2027[16:10:57] <greycat> Of course, that example is ro instead of rw.
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• 2029[16:11:26] <greycat> You really, really need to consider very carefully just how trusted you believe your network is.
• 2030[16:11:52] <centrix> NFS4 NFS3 id mapping may also come on scene
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• 2032[16:12:22] <centrix> nfs4 userxyz is not nfs3 userxyz.
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• 2044[16:15:56] <jelly> eh, any network portmap and nfs are exposed to has to be secure
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• 2070[16:31:45] <noodlepie> Back on Debian Stable on our communal PC, was having trouble with Unstable/Testing GDM3. It's all working now. I will use Gentoo for rolling release when I need it.
• 2071[16:32:11] <noodlepie> 4 packages to update today... @=}-~
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• 2086[16:48:26] <exifbono> hello everyone. When I start my pc up I have an error going on for like 30 seconds saying: i2c-hid i2c-ITE8350:00: failed to reset device. here are my dmesh | grep hid and lsmod | grep hid: replaced-url
• 2087[16:49:11] <exifbono> to be fair it does not give me any trouble in using the pc, it just slows down the boot by half minute and well, I'd like to understand it :) debian 9
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• 2124[17:06:30] <skywalker> hi guys. do you have any idea why when I set IFS in the shell it works and when I set it inside a script it does not? same piece of code.
• 2125[17:06:57] <skywalker> i'm using IFS=$'\n' btw
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• 2127[17:07:09] <greycat> $'...' is a bash extension. Is your script bash, or sh?
• 2128[17:07:41] <skywalker> i set #!/bin/bash in the beginning of the script
• 2129[17:08:03] <skywalker> and yes, it's supposed to be a bash script
• 2130[17:08:38] <greycat> OK. And you aren't running it by typing "sh"? There are probably other errors. You can also try replaced-url
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• 2136[17:09:43] <skywalker> greycat, i tried bash script.sh. funny fact is, it runs fine in another server
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• 2138[17:09:53] <greycat> A subtle bug, then.
• 2139[17:10:24] <greycat> shellcheck may not be able to find subtle bugs, but it can't hurt to try it
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• 2144[17:11:43] <skywalker> thanks greycat
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• 2187[17:31:58] <Fah> if one works and one server fails, perhaps check it is the same version of bash?
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• 2209[17:43:33] <discovered> asking debian testing related question is allowed here?
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• 2211[17:44:02] <jelly> yes, but people able and willing to answer it will also probably be present in #debian-next on OFTC
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• 2216[17:45:09] <temple48> discovered: what's the issue?
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• 2223[17:46:51] <discovered> temple48, The installer installed kernel 4.19.0-1 at install time. Then it just gives me initramfs shell where i can't type any command. The last kernel boot still works
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• 2229[17:49:49] <discovered> i included mtspi and sd_mode in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and regenerated initrd.img which worked in vmware workstation (with help of jelly). But i don't know which is right driver for the physical machine.
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• 2234[17:51:23] <jelly> find out the same way you found the drivers for vmware, looking at loaded modules for the kernel that actually boots
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• 2250[17:57:56] <discovered> jelly, Can't remember how i did it that day. I need your help
• 2251[17:58:31] <jelly> we have channel logs.
• 2252[17:58:34] <jelly> !irc logs
• 2253[17:58:34] <dpkg> hmm... irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
• 2254[17:58:45] <discovered> oh that's great
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• 2259[18:00:57] <discovered> no debian-next logs?
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• 2275[18:09:49] <discovered> can't find the logs for #debian-next of oftc. Where is it?
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• 2288[18:16:06] <no_gravity> Hello! I am connected to a Wifi that is fast for others, but for me iwconfig shows "Bit Rate=1 Mb/s". Super slow. Any idea how to go about that?
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• 2294[18:19:05] <LtL> no_gravity: ifconfig doesn't show link speed as far as i know.
• 2295[18:19:07] <temple48> no_gravity: I believe iwlist will show you the bitrate options for the device, which you could then set using iwconfig if there is a faster option available
• 2296[18:19:17] <temple48> no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 2298[18:19:45] <no_gravity> LtL: iwconfig
• 2299[18:19:58] <temple48> no_gravity: it looks like iwlist [interface] rate is what you need
• 2300[18:20:12] <temple48> no_gravity: and then use iwconfig to set a different bitrate if there's faster options available from iwlist [interface] rate
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• 2304[18:20:56] <LtL> no_gravity: oh sorry, iwconfig for me shows link speed to the AP which is 240mbps but web tests show 2.5mbps
• 2305[18:21:05] <no_gravity> temple48: How do I set it?
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• 2307[18:21:20] <temple48> no_gravity: replaced-url
• 2308[18:21:24] <no_gravity> temple48: iwlist <interface> rate says: unknown bit-rate information
• 2309[18:21:44] <temple48> no_gravity: hm, that doesn't help
• 2310[18:22:35] <temple48> no_gravity: it looks like not all cards can have their bitrates set by iwconfig, that may be the case with yours, and that could be the reason for your output
• 2311[18:23:15] <temple48> no_gravity: have you tried searching if there are known driver issues with your card, or better drivers available than the one you're using?
• 2312[18:23:36] <no_gravity> One moment, I will try a different access point. That might kill my connection...
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• 2320[18:25:53] <no_gravity> Can you guys still read me?
• 2321[18:25:57] <temple48> no_gravity: yes
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• 2324[18:26:14] <no_gravity> I changed the access point but its still slow. Still 1Mb/s
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• 2329[18:27:22] <temple48> no_gravity: how about drivers? any luck searching online to see if there's newer or better drivers for your card?
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• 2331[18:27:39] <no_gravity> There are 5Ghz access points here but my laptop does not see them. I wonder why?
• 2332[18:27:56] <no_gravity> temple48: Lets see...
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• 2335[18:28:18] <temple48> no_gravity: that would make me wonder if your card doesn't support it, or if the driver doesn't support it
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• 2338[18:28:49] <no_gravity> How do I figure out which card I have?
• 2339[18:28:50] <temple48> no_gravity: I have some older laptops that don't pick up the 5GHz APs either
• 2340[18:28:57] <no_gravity> The web is so slow that I can't even google.
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• 2342[18:29:44] <d0rm0us3> hwinfo?
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• 2344[18:30:16] <no_gravity> d0rm0us3: Not installed
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• 2349[18:30:44] <d0rm0us3> lspci can give you some info
• 2350[18:30:47] <temple48> no_gravity: install if you can then you can do hwinfo wlan, alternately you could use lspci or lshw and look for wireless or network
• 2351[18:31:00] <no_gravity> hwinfo says: Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
• 2352[18:31:16] <no_gravity> lspci i mean
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• 2357[18:32:35] <temple48> no_gravity: can you paste the whole line for that
• 2358[18:32:49] <jhutchins_wk> Nominal link speed and actual throughput are two different things, especially for wireless. Signal issues can dramatically lower your throughput.
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• 2360[18:33:29] <no_gravity> temple48: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
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• 2362[18:33:44] <temple48> no_gravity: ok, try lspci -vv -s 02:00.0
• 2363[18:33:52] <temple48> no_gravity: it should tell you what kernel driver you are using
• 2364[18:34:19] <no_gravity> temple48: Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
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• 2368[18:35:47] <temple48> no_gravity: and which kernel module?
• 2369[18:35:51] <temple48> iwlmvm?
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• 2372[18:36:34] <no_gravity> temple48: Kernel modules: iwlwifi, wl
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• 2374[18:37:18] <no_gravity> Maybe my wifi thinks Im in a country where you cannot use 5Ghz?
• 2375[18:38:02] <no_gravity> "iwlist chan" lists 5ghz though.
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• 2392[18:45:50] <no_gravity> Can anybody still see me?
• 2393[18:46:02] <FinalX> nope
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• 2395[18:47:00] <temple48> no_gravity: not only can anybody still see you, my bet is everybody can still see you
• 2396[18:47:04] <no_gravity> I manually switched to an access point id with 5Ghz and now I have fast internet!
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• 2398[18:47:22] <no_gravity> I wonder why my laptop does not see the 5Ghz access points?
• 2399[18:47:29] <no_gravity> Is there a command to scan / list them?
• 2400[18:48:42] <d9a> no_gravity: Is the SSID the same for 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz or are they different?
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• 2403[18:49:23] <no_gravity> d9a: Same
• 2404[18:50:01] <d9a> no_gravity: Your router might think that 2.4Ghz is more reliable for where you're physically at. I know you can configure APs to switch to whichever would be more reliable for that connection.
• 2405[18:50:06] <d9a> Or it might default to 2.4Ghz
• 2406[18:50:21] <no_gravity> Hmm...
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• 2408[18:50:51] <d9a> Assuming your NIC supports 5Ghz (which it sounds like), it sounds like something you'd fix on the router side
• 2409[18:51:03] <no_gravity> "iwlist <interface> scan" only shows the 5Ghz access point I manually connected to. Even though i know there are more.
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• 2411[18:51:18] <no_gravity> d9a: Other devices see all the access points.
• 2412[18:51:31] <d9a> no_gravity: So they're not called the same?
• 2413[18:51:47] <no_gravity> d9a: They are
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• 2415[18:51:50] <d9a> ie does one "<SSID-here>" show up or is there "_5Ghz" or something under it?
• 2416[18:52:00] <d9a> It only shows up once for my network
• 2417[18:52:04] <no_gravity> d9a: Not sure what you mean.
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• 2419[18:52:16] <no_gravity> d9a: There are multiple access points here with the same SSID
• 2420[18:52:30] <d9a> no_gravity: And does your device only show one listing for the SSID?
• 2421[18:52:31] <no_gravity> I see only the 2.4ghz ones plus the one 5ghz one I manually connected to.
• 2422[18:52:54] <no_gravity> While other devices (laptops of friends) see multiple 5ghz access points.
• 2423[18:53:22] <no_gravity> So scanning on *my* device seems to not find any 5ghz access points.
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• 2425[18:54:02] <d9a> no_gravity: My question is how does this show up in the networks settings of whatever device you're using?
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• 2428[18:54:12] <no_gravity> d9a: I'm using the terminal.
• 2429[18:54:25] <no_gravity> d9a: iwconfig <interface> scan
• 2430[18:54:27] <d9a> By default, my devices don't specify which frequency an SSID is.
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• 2432[18:54:33] <d9a> They just show the SSID
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• 2434[18:54:37] <d9a> So I'm confused
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• 2436[18:55:31] <no_gravity> d9a: Depends on your software. Try 'edit connections' and then edit the SSID in question. There might be a dropdown for the access points. Maybe calles BSSID.
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• 2602[20:21:34] <uio1> Is it possible to use an all-in-one computer as an external monitor?
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• 2605[20:22:33] <karlpinc> uio1: Sorta. There's VNC, or X iteslf, or similar screen sharing stuff that works over a network.
• 2606[20:23:02] <uio1> karlpinc, But not as a classic configuration with a cord?
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• 2608[20:23:12] <karlpinc> uio1: Otherwise, the all-in-one would need the appropriate physical connector which accepts the right cable.
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• 2610[20:23:35] <uio1> karlpinc, Okay. Hmmmm.
• 2611[20:24:44] <karlpinc> uio1: If the connector was something bi-directional like HDMI then the all-in-one would need hardware/firmware/software to accept input instead of sending output.
• 2612[20:24:56] <friendofafriend> There's probably some connector you could tap on the inside of the all-in-one.
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• 2614[20:25:29] <friendofafriend> Which computer in particular is it?
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• 2616[20:26:23] <uio1> friendofafriend, I don't yet have one in mind... I see there is some old Lenovo one which looks interesting...
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• 2618[20:26:55] <uio1> friendofafriend, replaced-url
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• 2623[20:31:00] <friendofafriend> Actually feeding input directly into the LCD easily seems unlikely.
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• 2625[20:31:35] <uio1> On the M71z? Or on all-in-ones in general?
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• 2627[20:32:43] <friendofafriend> Even if you did get input into the LCD panel, you'd not having switching between the internal system and the external input.
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• 2630[20:33:24] <friendofafriend> You'd end up better off with a solution like the Intel NUC with VESA mounting to the back of a monitor. It's also a lot easier to upgrade the NUC.
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• 2633[20:34:22] <uio1> friendofafriend, Yeah, I guess I like the idea of an all-in-one, but think an external monitor might be useful... so I hesitate...
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• 2660[20:46:21] <uio1> !test
• 2661[20:46:22] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 2663[20:47:59] <friendofafriend> uio1: A VESA-mounted NUC is pretty sleek. replaced-url
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• 2666[20:49:07] <friendofafriend> With some smart eBay shopping, you can find one pretty cheap. They are well supported by Debian-based distros, in what experiences I've had with them.
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• 2671[20:51:39] <uio1> friendofafriend, looks like it's possible sometimes? replaced-url
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• 2680[20:53:33] <friendofafriend> That seems to be quite a rare case, and I'd not rely on your particular choice in all-in-one having the same feature.
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• 2702[21:04:39] <tmroland> debian 9.6 gnome is kinda buggy
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• 2704[21:04:51] <tmroland> shouldnt this thing supposed to be rock solid and fully reliable?
• 2705[21:04:56] <tmroland> or that only applies to core os
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• 2717[21:10:46] <uio1> Any recommendations for a usb WiFi key?
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• 2729[21:15:19] <uio1> tmroland, I know nothing about gnome, but I suspect that giving some examples of bugs might be helpful :)
• 2730[21:15:48] <jhutchins_wk> I like discreet components that can be replaced or upgraded individually.
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• 2738[21:20:11] <tmroland> for example changing backgrounds in gnome settings either doesn't change it or it does with a huge delay of 10-20 sec
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• 2740[21:20:31] <tmroland> another example, trying to open terminal or system monitor sometimes , randomly, just goes into a endless spinning wheel and nothing happens
• 2741[21:20:34] <tmroland> until you reboot
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• 2743[21:21:10] <tmroland> thought someone would test such basic things in such a reputable distro
• 2744[21:21:36] <friendofafriend> tmroland: File bugs.
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• 2758[21:25:58] <petn-randall> tmroland: I'd assume that something is wrong with the installation, as such basic things would have already been reported and fixed by now.
• 2759[21:26:22] <tmroland> it happens on each install , just installed 10 mins ago, and bugs hit my face as soon as logged in
• 2760[21:26:34] <tmroland> yea, weird indeed
• 2761[21:26:46] <tmroland> peculiarities of linux
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• 2764[21:28:08] <uio1> tmroland, Like what?
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• 2766[21:28:29] <uio1> tmroland, Have you tried other DE?
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• 2768[21:28:37] <uio1> tmroland, Or other distros?
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• 2770[21:28:51] <uio1> tmroland, Could it be your hardware?
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• 2773[21:30:07] <uio1> tmroland, That is worrisome...
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• 2776[21:30:23] <tmroland> ryzen 2600x, 16gb ram, gtx 1080, 480gb sandisk ssd, 1440p@144hz
• 2777[21:30:30] <tmroland> fresh install of 9.6
• 2778[21:30:53] <tmroland> tried other distros/de's , but since they have newer versions of gnome it doesn't happen
• 2779[21:31:09] <friendofafriend> Sheesh, you might need to buy a better computer. ;)
• 2780[21:31:19] <tmroland> yea thought so, cant run gnome at 60 fps lol
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• 2782[21:31:42] <uio1> tmroland, Too new...
• 2783[21:31:45] <uio1> lol
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• 2786[21:33:03] <friendofafriend> tmroland: Do you have drivers for your graphics card installed?
• 2787[21:33:04] <tmroland> yes, so unsupoprted by almighty linux
• 2788[21:33:16] <tmroland> sure, debian provided nvidia proprietary
• 2789[21:33:29] <tmroland> 385 or something
• 2790[21:33:32] <tmroland> version
• 2791[21:33:35] <uio1> I kinda love it when old hardware has an advantage :)
• 2792[21:33:40] <rwp> uio1, I have used this WiFi adapter and been happy. replaced-url
• 2793[21:34:23] <friendofafriend> You might try with a newer driver, tmroland. You've got a fairly new card, and there's probably been some big performance gains.
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• 2796[21:34:43] <uio1> rwp, Thanks for the link!
• 2797[21:34:46] <tmroland> actually its the other way around. any other newer driver or gnome de version degrades my performance hugely
• 2798[21:34:51] <tmroland> only this version of driver and gnome runs smoothly
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• 2800[21:35:02] <uio1> rwp, I just want to avoid non free drivers if possible!
• 2801[21:35:53] <valku> Debian Installer stops with "Base system installation error; The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)" and then I see this in /var/log/syslog: "debootstrap: date: invalid date 'Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:24:18 UTC'". Does anyone have an idea what's going on?
• 2802[21:35:56] <friendofafriend> uio1: Atheros is probably the way to go, their firmware is open.
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• 2804[21:36:08] <rwp> uio1, Hmm... Checking now and the ralink drivers are in non-free. SORRY!
• 2805[21:36:37] <uio1> uio1, Okay, thanks for checking!
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• 2807[21:36:43] <uio1> friendofafriend, Good to know!
• 2808[21:36:45] <rwp> It's the binary blob problem, not proprietary source. If you have heard me rant about it I consider those two separate problems.
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• 2812[21:37:34] <uio1> rwp, Yes, I remember you talking about it.
• 2813[21:38:02] <uio1> rwp, To be honest, on my list, being able to use old hard ware trumps some use of non-free stuff...
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• 2815[21:38:42] <rwp> The static binary blobs will never bit rot on the hardware they mate with because the hardware is also static.
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• 2818[21:39:07] <rwp> The real problem is proprietary drivers that are not available as free(dom) source.
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• 2820[21:39:55] <rwp> At least the price is right for some of those parts. :-)
• 2821[21:40:03] <uio1> rwp, True that last part.
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• 2825[21:40:34] <uio1> rwp, I don't understand the earlier parts, but closed and not free are the worst (Apple??)
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• 2830[21:43:03] <rwp> So here is a thought problem related to static binary blobs.
• 2831[21:43:07] <rwp> If it is burned into a PROM soldered on the card then even the FSF consider that okay.
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• 2834[21:43:12] <rwp> My question is, what's the difference between a PROM on the card and loading the static binary blob at driver load time?
• 2835[21:43:15] <rwp> And strangely if the PROM is then in a socket such that it can be popped out and replaced then the FSF are unhappy with it again. Really?
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