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• 6[00:00:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: so why are you telling about it here. You're going to get technical suggestions.
• 7[00:01:08] <Lady_Aleena> I can't remember if there is a file compare program out there so I can see the differences between my main drive and backup drive.
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• 9[00:01:31] <jelly> it's called rsync -n :-)
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• 11[00:02:03] <jelly> (faster than diff -ru)
• 12[00:02:05] * Lady_Aleena goes to the man.
• 13[00:02:06] <unborn> exactly teraflops you are totally right.. my home server is acer revo r3600 some 7 years old dual core animal.. noiseless and economic.. plugged in few 2 tb 2.5' disks, naked debian with virtualmin and have hosting films, movies, transmission and even my git repos from it..
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• 15[00:02:33] <unborn> totally awesome.. box with all kind of those things would cost - f@k knows how much
• 16[00:02:35] <jelly> #debian-offtopic is over there if you don't want technical suggestions ->
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• 19[00:03:18] <Lady_Aleena> @#$% why aren't the options in the rsync man in alphabetical order?
• 20[00:03:36] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: meh use some gui
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• 23[00:03:55] <unborn> if you cannot get this into nut there are some options :)
• 24[00:03:59] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: if you find rsync overkill you can do e.g sshfs
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• 28[00:04:47] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: try to keep your questions in here to specific issues and avoid rhetorical stuff
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• 30[00:05:15] <Lady_Aleena> So I can do rsync -ni <src> <dest> to get a report of changes which will be made?
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• 32[00:05:23] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: grsync I think it was called.. have look, you can create file with with.. and then use guts of that file for terminal (those are basically commands)
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• 38[00:06:18] <jelly> Shentino: you're reconnecting way too often
• 39[00:06:26] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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• 46[00:10:01] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that's the general idea, but a useful rsync command line usually has more options (at the very least, some recursion and timestamp/permission/ownership saving if it's to be useful for backup purposes)
• 47[00:10:15] * jelly never used -i
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• 52[00:11:54] <Lady_Aleena> Hold on, I just saw something wonky.
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• 56[00:12:27] <Sarckz> I wonder, what would happen if I install NetBSD on my desktop and try to use HDMI audio trough my Nvidia card? (GT 240)
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• 58[00:12:50] <Sarckz> oops wrong channel
• 59[00:12:52] <Sarckz> sorry
• 60[00:12:59] <Lady_Aleena> WTH is /.thumbnails?
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• 62[00:13:40] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: I think you can use google for that
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• 64[00:14:00] <Lady_Aleena> unborn, sorry thinking out loud.
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• 66[00:14:25] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: ok
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• 85[00:18:35] <buddybenj> How can I undo a quick disk format?
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• 87[00:20:20] <markybob> yeah. use backups.
• 88[00:21:15] <buddybenj> I was in the process of doing a backup and I think the disk program glitched.
• 89[00:21:24] <teraflops> what's a quick disc format?
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• 92[00:21:27] <buddybenj> It said that the files could be recovered.
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• 94[00:21:42] <markybob> sounds like ntfs/vfat magic. only seen that on windows
• 95[00:21:53] <buddybenj> Its a disk format where the files can be recovered afterward (the disk is not overwritten with 0s).)
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• 98[00:23:20] <buddybenj> I didn't even enter my root password and the disk program included with Debian did a quick format on the entire disk. That is very worrying from a digital preservation and security standpoint.
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• 100[00:23:50] <buddybenj> It says that quick disk format can be undone, but I don't know how.
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• 102[00:24:46] <teraflops> buddybenj: sorry I'm lost, can you provide some context?
• 103[00:24:53] <buddybenj> I have years of work, so I decided to do a backup, and as I was getting ready to do the backup this happened.
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• 105[00:25:09] <teraflops> disk program, quick backup ...
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• 108[00:25:41] <buddybenj> The disk program is part of GNOME, so the default Debian configuration should have it.
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• 112[00:27:32] <buddybenj> Why is it possible for a hard drive to be formatted without the root password?
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• 116[00:27:52] <unborn> ?
• 117[00:27:54] <buddybenj> And how do I undo this? It says that a quick format can be undone.
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• 123[00:28:20] <markybob> buddybenj: because it's an installer...
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• 125[00:28:27] <teraflops> buddybenj: sorry you formatted the disk you wanted to backup?
• 126[00:28:36] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: you should take an image of the drive with a tool like gddrescue (not just dd), and then work on recovering the files from the image
• 127[00:28:55] <buddybenj> markybob: No it's not. I think we are on a different page.
• 128[00:29:29] <buddybenj> teraflops: Yes. I never told it to format and I never entered my root password.
• 129[00:29:29] <teraflops> buddybenj: please provide context as in: I run this program this way and I got this...
• 130[00:29:52] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: Thanks. I'll look into that.
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• 132[00:30:39] <buddybenj> teraflops: I run Debian without my root password and my entire drive gets formatted.
• 133[00:30:50] <teraflops> buddybenj: I doubt it
• 134[00:31:18] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: i just tried formatting a flash drive with gnome disks, and it didn't require root password, but it also asked in a dialogue with big letters "Are you sure you want to format the disk?" and explained that all data will be lost (but may still be recoverable).
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• 137[00:31:59] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: did you click the format button on that dialogue thinking "heh, it will ask me for root password so this should be safe"?
• 138[00:32:13] <jelly> buddybenj: if you have "years of work" as you say, buy a new disk, make a bit-exact image of the affected disk, then get the original or the copy to a professional data recovery service
• 139[00:32:42] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: I never clicked a format button (at least I never purposefully hit a format button), and I never accepted any dialog.
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• 142[00:33:39] <buddybenj> jelly: Thanks, should I use something like ddrescue like jmcnaught said?
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• 147[00:34:30] <jelly> yes. However unless you're careful you can wipe the wrong disk with that tool, too.
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• 156[00:37:20] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: How do I recover the files from the image once I've made a backup?
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• 158[00:38:19] <dsockwell> it depends on what success rate you want and what filesystem it was
• 159[00:38:25] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: if it's years of work you should bring it to professionals. if it's your dank meme collection, there are tools like photorec and testdisk in debian
• 160[00:38:30] <dsockwell> you should consider taking it to a professional data recovery company
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• 163[00:39:21] <buddybenj> All right, thanks.
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• 165[00:40:03] <buddybenj> Can someone who knows more about ddrescue tell me what command I am supposed to run? There are so many options and I don't want to mess anything up at this point.
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• 171[00:41:26] <dsockwell> Also, and you won't like this, from a liability standpoint, it might not be smart for us to give you personalized advice here.
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• 173[00:41:37] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
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• 175[00:42:03] <buddybenj> I'm not going to sue someone who I met in an IRC chatroom.
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• 177[00:42:44] <dsockwell> Are you sure there's no other copy of this data? you said the drive was a backup, is there an original somewhere?
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• 181[00:43:59] <buddybenj> No, this is the original. I was going to make a backup of the drive, and as I was getting ready for the backup this happened.
• 182[00:44:14] <jelly> is it an external drive?
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• 184[00:44:31] <buddybenj> It is internal, but it isn't the drive that my OS is on.
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• 187[00:45:17] <jelly> no GUI tool that I know of would have let you overwrite an internal device without warning
• 188[00:45:34] <jelly> buddybenj: pastebin the output of "lsblk"
• 189[00:45:43] <jelly> !paste
• 190[00:45:43] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 194[00:46:23] <buddybenj> That's why I'm pissed off, because I never purposefully told it to format and I definitely didn't enter my root password.
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• 196[00:47:17] <buddybenj> replaced-url
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• 202[00:48:34] <awwal> A bit lost here with apt man/docs. Any equivalent of aptitude-why on apt?
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• 205[00:49:07] <jelly> buddybenj: so you have a sda without any partition, and a sdb that looks like it has your linux installation and a different OS
• 206[00:49:16] <jelly> awwal: there isn't
• 207[00:49:18] <buddybenj> correct.
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• 210[00:50:13] <buddybenj> sda is the drive that got screwed
• 211[00:50:17] <jelly> buddybenj: acquire and connect a third disk equal to or larger size than the 1TB sda, then carefully copy sda to it
• 212[00:50:54] <buddybenj> what command do I use?
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• 215[00:51:49] <jelly> buddybenj: once you've connected a third disk you'll be able to run something like "ddrescue /dev/sda /dev/sdX"
• 216[00:52:12] <buddybenj> I don't have a 1 TB on me, but I can buy one. The drive I was going to use to backup the HDD is only 500 GB because I was only using about 400 GB of the drive.
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• 221[00:52:32] <buddybenj> jelly: All right thanks for the help. I'll try to obtain a third drive and do that.
• 222[00:52:42] <jelly> buddybenj: if you power off or reboot the machine in the meantime, be careful because order of sd devices can change between reboots
• 223[00:52:52] <awwal> jelly, ok, "check" my be the closest? I just want apt tell me why X pkg is being to be removed. I can check that via aptitude but wondering how to aproch similar stuff (why/why-not with apt
• 224[00:53:40] <jelly> buddybenj: contents of /dev/disk/by-id/ will help you identify each device by model and serial number
• 225[00:54:09] <jelly> awwal: that's pretty much the opposite of "aptitude why ..."
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• 227[00:55:44] <jelly> buddybenj: so you may as well pastebin ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/
• 228[00:55:45] <awwal> apt-get check never tells nothing anyway xD, even if I know that there are some broken deps...
• 229[00:56:01] <jelly> awwal: which debian release are you talking about?
• 230[00:56:48] <buddybenj> replaced-url
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• 236[00:58:30] <jelly> buddybenj: right. so /dev/disk/by-id/*WDC_WD10EZEX-00BN5A0_WD-WCC3F3646389 will always point to the problematic disk, even if you plug it into a usb case or if you put in a third internal disk and it somehow becomes sda instead
• 237[00:58:46] <awwal> jelly, I'm on Jessie and Stretch (both running in 2 machines). sometimes I ask just for info when i think it's a general question, not a branch specific
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• 240[00:59:14] <jelly> awwal: so what's wrong with using aptitude in general?
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• 242[01:00:03] <awwal> jelly, nothing wrong. trying to have a knowledge about both apt & aptitude
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• 244[01:00:05] <awwal> :)
• 245[01:00:31] <markybob> you keep saying apt and then bring up apt-get. it's really confusing
• 246[01:00:59] <jelly> apt-get is part of apt package, how is it confusing
• 247[01:01:12] <markybob> apt and apt-get are different commands is all
• 248[01:01:12] <apt> markybob: okay
• 249[01:01:14] <dsockwell> apt is apt-get and apt-cache, mostly
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• 251[01:01:25] <jelly> apt: forget and apt-get
• 252[01:01:26] <apt> i forgot and apt-get, jelly
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• 257[01:02:49] <awwal> excuses guys, yeah I was reffering to apt-get
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• 260[01:03:15] <awwal> yes sir jelly
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• 285[01:09:31] <awwal> tried to use apt (yes apt, not apt-get) and it usually fails refreshing the cache and stops the installs suddenly (jessie); i switch to aptitude/apt-get and they do the job. no enough knowledge here for check why that happens
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• 315[01:23:10] <okee> How do I fix an error message that says "driver pcspkr is already registered, aborting". This error message comes up during the boot, and shows up when running dmsg
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• 318[01:23:30] <okee> pcspkr isn't showing up when running whereis
• 319[01:23:35] <cafuego> okee: you can just ignore it
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• 325[01:24:00] <okee> cafuego> I no longer have an audo for my voip, so ignoring it isn't an option.
• 326[01:24:08] <okee> cafuego> thanks.
• 327[01:24:15] <cafuego> okee: The problem is not that message
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• 331[01:24:39] <okee> cafuego> What is the problem? How do I fix the non-operating speaker phone?
• 332[01:25:04] <cafuego> okee: the pcsprk is the driver for the thing that does the startup beep; i guarantee you you're not using it :-)
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• 335[01:25:30] <cafuego> okee: If you don't get audio, you need to look at your sound card or audio subsystem instead.
• 336[01:25:38] <okee> cafuego> So how do I fix the inoperational speaker phone?
• 337[01:25:54] <okee> This problem occurred after upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Debian Jessie. I had no problem before that.
• 338[01:27:24] <okee> cafuego> Also, I get an error n bootup indicating that the pcspeaker is already registered? How do I fix that error?
• 339[01:27:51] <okee> cafuego> How do I look at the audio subsystem?
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• 341[01:28:03] <cafuego> okee: You don't need to "fix" that error, it is not related to your voip phone problem and you can ignore it.
• 342[01:28:18] <okee> cafuego> How do I fix the problem with the audio subsystem?
• 343[01:28:34] <cafuego> You look at your sound card and mixer settings.
• 344[01:28:45] <cafuego> How you do that depends on what you're using.
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• 346[01:28:55] <cafuego> console/kde/gnome/whatevs
• 347[01:29:08] <cafuego> I don't use desktop debian, so I don't know.
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• 357[01:30:26] <markybob> i'm not good with desktops either but i'd give pavucontrol a shot
• 358[01:30:35] <mtn> okee: install and use pavucontrol to handle your sound settings
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• 361[01:31:10] <okee> mtn> Pavucontrol is already installed, but don't recall how to initiate it.
• 362[01:31:21] <mtn> okee: it should be in your menu
• 363[01:31:24] <markybob> okee: that's the exact command. run it
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• 366[01:31:41] <okee> mtn> I just typed it at the command line and it came up, but I don't see it in the menu.
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• 368[01:32:10] <mtn> okee: when you use it, Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
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• 378[01:37:02] <Sander^home> Hi
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• 381[01:37:35] <Sander^home> Is there a command to upgrade several releases at the same time?
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• 386[01:38:23] <markybob> Sander^home: no. that would massive break things. you do one, reboot, do another. if you mean debian releases that's how it's done.
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• 389[01:38:54] <Sander^home> markybob: ok. What about android releases?
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• 393[01:39:07] <Sander^home> Isnt those using dpkg?
• 394[01:39:09] <markybob> Sander^home: i have no idea. this is #debian
• 395[01:39:34] <markybob> android does not use dpkg
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• 397[01:40:04] <abrotman> actually ..
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• 399[01:40:48] <abrotman> Sander^home: but yes, it's got nothing to do with #debian
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• 403[01:41:46] <Sander^home> Sometimes I wish android was using dpkg
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• 406[01:41:58] <abrotman> doesnt' make it so
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• 408[01:43:05] <dabs> hi
• 409[01:43:25] * cafuego harasses abrotman's android
• 410[01:43:25] <dabs> i want to build debian for a target platform, right now its x86 but it might change, where do i start?
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• 412[01:44:00] <Brigo_> dabs, the kernel, i guess :)
• 413[01:44:05] <bzed> dabs: which platform?
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• 415[01:44:19] <cafuego> dabs: You want to build ALL of debian?
• 416[01:44:23] <dabs> x86 or armv7 .. platform/target
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• 418[01:44:38] <bzed> dabs: arm is supported by debian.
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• 421[01:44:44] <dabs> i want to build something i can copy to the filesystem
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• 423[01:44:45] <bzed> dabs: pretty much all variants
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• 425[01:44:59] <dabs> sort of like how openwrt produces a flashable/writeable image
• 426[01:44:59] <zophy> is a raccoon gonna be the debian mascot ?
• 427[01:45:13] <dabs> does that sort of help.. like the thing i am trying to do
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• 429[01:45:38] <zophy> est egge :: --> replaced-url
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• 440[01:46:20] <dabs> would the best thing to do is install the OS, then do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/shm/shippable-debian-install.img ?
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• 447[01:46:57] <dabs> perhaps i should look into buildroot?
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• 450[01:47:07] <bzed> dabs: dd makes no sense, in no case
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• 452[01:47:14] <abrotman> :(
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• 456[01:47:35] <dabs> no ? oh
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• 458[01:47:43] <bzed> dabs: really depends on your target platform and the ressources you have there
• 459[01:47:50] <brigo> zophy, check the date :)
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• 462[01:48:28] <dabs> i have a msata SSD, with 4gb ram, it has 2 radios (for ath9k and ath10k)
• 463[01:48:47] <zophy> brigo, darn, i like that raccoon :))
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• 467[01:50:40] <brigo> zophy, a bit sad :)
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• 470[01:51:51] <bzed> dabs: its really hard to give you some useful advice as there are like 10k of ways to handle something liek that and it really depend son your needs and goals and what your hardware needs for booting...
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• 474[01:53:58] <dabs> aah ok
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• 476[01:55:39] <dabs> i dont know jack about the install process in debian
• 477[01:56:01] <dabs> i mostly know openwrt/openembedded
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• 480[01:56:39] <markybob> so why are you talking about compiling it? you know you can install debian without compiling, right?
• 481[01:56:59] <markybob> i'm lost as to what's actually going on here
• 482[01:57:11] <dabs> Aahh
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• 485[01:57:50] <dabs> makes sense now
• 486[01:58:28] <dabs> i usually write mods to kernel or to packages, then flash the result after compiling..
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• 489[01:58:38] <markybob> dabs: replaced-url
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• 491[01:58:53] <markybob> dabs: just search how to install debian
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• 495[01:59:40] <dabs> each device will not install linux
• 496[02:00:05] <markybob> dabs: there must be a language problem. what's your native tongue?
• 497[02:00:06] <dabs> it will prob just get the final image, eg, dd if=/dev/sda
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• 500[02:00:30] <dabs> eng
• 501[02:00:43] <dabs> its because im so hood, sorry
• 502[02:00:45] <markybob> wow. then i'm out.
• 503[02:01:01] <dabs> k, thanks for letting me know debian doesnt compile
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• 507[02:02:10] <Asad3ainJalout> May I ask questions about Debian Sid and wine here or does this channel stick with stable versions of debian?
• 508[02:02:35] <markybob> Asad3ainJalout: stable. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is for that per /topic
• 509[02:02:54] <okee> got the speaker fixed, and it was easy. Hoorah.......
• 510[02:03:04] <Asad3ainJalout> markybob: ahh my bad, have a good day
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• 581[02:45:20] <awwal> I have a problem in my Sid machine that I wasn't able to debug for a possible bug report. Asked yet a few times in debian-next but no body seems to know about my issue. I have a problem with mouse pointer: if I have the word "debiaan" and when I want to select the second "a" for remove it, I must try to select the "n" for get the second "a" selected or the "i" for get the first "a" selected. That mean: the vertical line of the mouse, the | (I dont know
• 582[02:45:20] <awwal> how its called) is always placed after or before one character: if I want the place the | between the two "a", I have to pointe the mouse pointer after "n" or before "i". Hard to explain with my basic English. I hope you understand my idea. I wonder if it's related with 'gtk' stuff, as someone has suggested in debian-next, because it only happens with a few gtk based apps, like hexchat, thunar and pcmanfm; not with all gtk based. Any clue?
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• 584[02:46:38] <awwal> Number of users in this channel is more higher , so I thought it may be helpful asking here.
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• 587[02:47:12] <awwal> I have tried several mouse's and usb ports but no luck
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• 589[02:48:44] <awwal> I have that issue only since 1 week or so; hard to find after which update, being sid all the time crazy xD
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• 591[02:49:38] <bazhang> sid is testing/unstable ?
• 592[02:49:52] <dsockwell> yes, always
• 593[02:49:57] <dsockwell> wait
• 594[02:50:04] <dsockwell> sid is always unstable
• 595[02:50:10] <dsockwell> testing has its own code name
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• 597[02:50:13] <dsockwell> but unstable is always sid
• 598[02:50:14] <bazhang> thats on debian-next on oftc irc
• 599[02:50:37] <bazhang> see the topic here awwal
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• 602[02:51:11] <awwal> bazhang, I see it everyday :)
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• 635[03:09:48] <fas3r> Hello
• 636[03:10:21] <fas3r> does realmd is suppose to create the keytab file when using to join a domain ?
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• 672[03:27:54] <buu> So guys
• 673[03:28:18] <buu> If I have a Monitor section with a Modeline "foo" .... ; section should I be able to refer to that using xrandr --output ... --mode foo ?
• 674[03:29:16] <buu> How do I do the equivalent of xrandr --addmode in my xorg.conf?
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• 677[03:30:48] <buu> Modeline "1920x1080_59.94" 172.63 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -HSync +Vsync
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• 753[04:52:59] <rosengarden___> Hi, I am search a software, that easily controlfigure and scene as template, could rather simple like for example lucas arts indiana jones. I do not want to sketch characters. Just paint the hair of one character blond, call it princess and make them blabla. Is there 2016 really not such a tool in free software?
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• 755[04:53:15] <plasmoduck> Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet
• 756[04:53:57] <plasmoduck> rosengarden___, have you tried gimp?
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• 759[04:54:06] <buu> plasmoduck: could be wifi, wires, router, disk, kernel, cpu..
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• 815[05:39:01] <fas3r> Hello, I configured sssd with realmd to be able to use sssd-ad with the GPO. sssd is configured automatically by realm as expected and I can retrieve my users/group with getent or id. When I try to authenticate a user with SSH I can see errors relative to the GPO replaced-url
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• 817[05:39:12] <lux7676> anyone knows how to fix the dependency problems ?
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• 853[05:57:38] <grubles> \/11
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• 860[06:02:39] <okee> What is the best way to mount some unmounted drives, where the drives are mixed up and not properly labeled? This is the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ Can I just mount the unmounted, without knowing their label?
• 861[06:02:54] <okee> replaced-url
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• 879[06:11:38] <ryouma> yes, you can mount them
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• 881[06:11:50] <ryouma> assuming they have file systems on them
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• 915[06:24:26] <woalwa> hi, i just upgraded my Jessie with 'apt-get upgrade'. I get "update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered.
• 916[06:24:26] <woalwa> update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option." Is this serious? Will I be able to reboot following a shutdown?
• 917[06:25:09] <lux7676> jmcnaught i will work on it tomorrow..
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• 935[06:39:27] <okee> ryouma> Thanks.
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• 942[06:43:08] <jmcnaught> woalwa: i would hold off on rebooting until you figure it out. have you previously done any customizations to the initrd, or installed any modules not from Debian packages?
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• 946[06:44:57] <jmcnaught> woalwa: if you run "update-initramfs -u -v" it should give more information
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• 949[06:45:54] <woalwa> ok, will try that.
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• 952[06:47:16] <woalwa> Available versions: 3.16-2-686-pae 3.14-2-686-pae 3.14-1-686-pae
• 953[06:47:17] <woalwa> update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered.
• 954[06:47:19] <woalwa> update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option.
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• 956[06:48:13] <jmcnaught> woalwa: there's replaced-url
• 957[06:49:19] <jmcnaught> woalwa: you could try the "-t" option it is suggesting, but it might break whatever non-standard thing you may have installed
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• 960[06:49:48] <woalwa> I don't remember having installed anything that would have modified initrd. I try to reinstall the kernel with "apt-get install --reinstall..." but it could not be downloaded.
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• 966[06:52:05] <jmcnaught> woalwa: where did the 3.14 kernels come from? also i would expect a jessie kernel to be 3.16.0-4-686-pae. what does "lsb_release -a" say?
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• 969[06:53:53] <jmcnaught> woalwa: for example mine is /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 not /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-amd64
• 970[06:53:55] <woalwa> Its 3.16-2. Anyway, I just tried a 'update-initramfs -u -t' without any problem.
• 971[06:54:33] <woalwa> Oh, that 3.14 is an old version I keep as backup.
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• 973[06:55:14] <jmcnaught> woalwa: did you upgrade from wheezy and were previously using a backports kernel?
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• 976[06:55:59] <woalwa> yes, i upgrade from wheezy, but its a proper debian version.
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• 978[06:56:52] <jim> let's see if it's healthy... does aptitude -f install want to do anything?
• 979[06:56:59] <jmcnaught> woalwa: it doesn't look like the correct kernel version, and it would be interesting to know what caused this problem.
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• 981[06:57:26] <woalwa> thks for the help. i hink i am ok now. bye.
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• 983[06:57:32] <jmcnaught> woalwa: also the output of "uname -a" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae"
• 984[06:57:53] <woalwa> ok, will get back to you with that.
• 985[06:58:14] <jmcnaught> woalwa: well if you're not worried then i guess i won't worry either :)
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• 989[06:58:51] <woalwa> ok, lets leave it at that. thks again.
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• 1104[08:16:45] <gdrdr_nick> Hi!
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• 1106[08:17:05] <gdrdr_nick> The easy way of installing Debian on the home page front....
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• 1108[08:17:12] <gdrdr_nick> the version seems very old
• 1109[08:17:30] <gdrdr_nick> Is it possible for me to get the latest packages while still benefting from Debian's robustnes?
• 1110[08:17:34] <gdrdr_nick> Should I go for Sid?
• 1111[08:17:39] <gdrdr_nick> Or stretch?
• 1112[08:18:14] <mutante> stretch
• 1113[08:18:21] <gdrdr_nick> Sid is very unstable?
• 1114[08:18:23] <mutante> yes
• 1115[08:18:29] <mutante> sid breaks all the toys
• 1116[08:18:29] <gdrdr_nick> You mean it'll always crash?
• 1117[08:18:36] <gdrdr_nick> Hehe toy story
• 1118[08:18:39] <gdrdr_nick> So
• 1119[08:18:41] <mutante> indeed
• 1120[08:18:44] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: Debian's robustness is because of the amount of time that goes into testing and fixing packages, you give that up with stretch and unstable, along with security updates
• 1121[08:18:54] <gdrdr_nick> Ah
• 1122[08:18:59] <mutante> no, but strech is a nice compromise between robustness and newness
• 1123[08:19:10] <mutante> for a laptop that is
• 1124[08:19:14] <gdrdr_nick> I can go back to stable from stretch right?
• 1125[08:19:19] <gdrdr_nick> I am using a laptop
• 1126[08:19:19] <mutante> not really
• 1127[08:19:25] <gdrdr_nick> Uh
• 1128[08:19:29] <dsockwell> you can wait a while
• 1129[08:19:35] <dsockwell> and stretch will turn into stable
• 1130[08:19:46] <jmcnaught> sorta, it also stays broken the longest when it breaks. stretch and unstable aren't for beginners, if you're new to Debian do your learning on stable
• 1131[08:20:01] <gdrdr_nick> I think I'l just look around and see what fits me
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• 1133[08:20:13] <gdrdr_nick> Well I saw Debian recommended in Prism Break
• 1134[08:20:19] <gdrdr_nick> That's why I came to ask you guys
• 1135[08:20:26] <jmcnaught> there are backports available for some packages on stable too
• 1136[08:20:34] <mutante> nice @ Prism Break creates Debian users
• 1137[08:20:37] <gdrdr_nick> I'd not consider Debian for now
• 1138[08:20:37] <dsockwell> you should try stable first
• 1139[08:20:45] <gdrdr_nick> I've used Stable before
• 1140[08:20:48] <dsockwell> oh
• 1141[08:20:53] <dsockwell> well suit yourself
• 1142[08:20:53] <gdrdr_nick> And for a couple of months even
• 1143[08:21:22] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 1144[08:22:36] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: for me personally it's always "stable" on a server and "testing" on a laptop.
• 1145[08:22:56] <gdrdr_nick> mutante, Ah
• 1146[08:22:57] <dsockwell> i've never actually had a bad problem with testing
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• 1148[08:23:14] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: take a look at that, there are other caveats using testing and unstable. lots of people do it, but if you don't know the package system very well it can be difficult to solve problems when they come up. if you rely on your computer to get stuff done, stable is the better choice
• 1149[08:23:20] <dsockwell> but for something i expect to run forever with 0 trouble i choose stable
• 1150[08:23:26] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: because i want the server to be rock solid, but on my laptop i might want a bit newer software , some multimedia, and yea, i never really had a problem with testing
• 1151[08:23:33] <dsockwell> a laptop i can cuss at and it works
• 1152[08:23:33] <gdrdr_nick> Ah
• 1153[08:23:40] <dsockwell> harder with a server
• 1154[08:23:53] <gdrdr_nick> Yeah I think stable is really for servers
• 1155[08:24:04] <gdrdr_nick> Is teseting as equally fresh as Mint 17.3?
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• 1157[08:24:15] <gdrdr_nick> I'm actually about to install Mint now
• 1158[08:24:17] <dsockwell> isn't mint descended from debian these days?
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• 1160[08:24:25] <dsockwell> or am i thrinking of crunchbang
• 1161[08:24:31] <gdrdr_nick> Correct
• 1162[08:24:40] <gdrdr_nick> Nah I think Mint descended from Ubuntu?
• 1163[08:24:42] <gdrdr_nick> I don't know
• 1164[08:24:44] <dsockwell> the thing about those 'noob friendly' distros is that the other users are often as clueless as you are
• 1165[08:24:47] <jmcnaught> stable is for desktops and laptops too, it's what i use
• 1166[08:24:56] <mutante> very good point from dsockwell
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• 1168[08:25:37] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: do you have a particular reason why Mint instead of Debian?
• 1169[08:25:45] <dsockwell> when people ask me what linux distro to use, i tell them debian. the bad old days are gone, and hand-holding is just confusing any more
• 1170[08:25:53] <gdrdr_nick> Because I'm certain I wouldn't have a problem with it
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• 1172[08:26:04] <gdrdr_nick> It should "just" work
• 1173[08:26:11] <gdrdr_nick> And I get the latest packages
• 1174[08:26:19] <gdrdr_nick> Meaning I get the innovations
• 1175[08:26:24] <gdrdr_nick> I think it's reasonably secure too
• 1176[08:26:29] <gdrdr_nick> Looks pretty
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• 1178[08:26:35] <gdrdr_nick> Has an awesome community behind it
• 1179[08:26:46] <gdrdr_nick> The project and the people are awesome basically.
• 1180[08:26:52] <mutante> well, you just talked about robustness. "latest" is often the opposite of robust and "just works"
• 1181[08:27:04] <dsockwell> good night
• 1182[08:27:07] <mutante> latest means few other people have used it before you
• 1183[08:27:17] <mutante> the bugs still have to be found
• 1184[08:27:22] <gdrdr_nick> That sucks
• 1185[08:27:24] <gdrdr_nick> :(
• 1186[08:27:31] <gdrdr_nick> Well I want to be able to use the latest innovations
• 1187[08:27:34] <gdrdr_nick> That's always exciting
• 1188[08:27:43] <dsockwell> it gets old
• 1189[08:28:03] <dsockwell> because they always break when you rely on them
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• 1191[08:28:13] <jmcnaught> indeed.. testing/unstable are part of the Debian development process, how the bugs gets found and fixed to prepare the next stable release. they aren't really intended for end users
• 1192[08:28:26] <gdrdr_nick> Hmm
• 1193[08:28:31] <gdrdr_nick> So what distro should I go for?
• 1194[08:28:36] <gdrdr_nick> I'm just an average joe.
• 1195[08:28:38] <mutante> Debian
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• 1197[08:28:45] <gdrdr_nick> Which Debian?
• 1198[08:28:55] <gdrdr_nick> Nautilus opens so slow on Debian though
• 1199[08:28:58] <gdrdr_nick> It's annoying.
• 1200[08:29:07] <gdrdr_nick> I can't also install Tox on it
• 1201[08:29:11] <gdrdr_nick> That's why I left
• 1202[08:29:23] <gdrdr_nick> I don't think I can install experimental software on it too.
• 1203[08:29:25] <gdrdr_nick> Like Tox
• 1204[08:29:47] <mutante> you can install experimental things on any distro
• 1205[08:29:53] <mutante> the differences are actually smaller than you might think
• 1206[08:30:06] <mutante> and Mint/Ubuntu/etc all use Debian packages anyways
• 1207[08:30:35] <gdrdr_nick> Disk encryption takes hella slow on debian too.
• 1208[08:30:37] <dsockwell> if you're this stubborn then fine, good riddance, go to mint
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• 1210[08:30:42] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: i think what you might actually want is 2 things.. a regular daily work system and one to play with and just try new stuff
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• 1212[08:31:29] <gdrdr_nick> Yes
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• 1214[08:31:36] <dsockwell> that's why we have these other distros, so we don't all have to agree on debian
• 1215[08:31:37] <gdrdr_nick> And I'm thinking of installing Steam too
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• 1217[08:32:02] <gdrdr_nick> I know Steam is privacy invasive but I miss gaming
• 1218[08:32:20] <gdrdr_nick> Hey everyone's gotta start somewhere right?
• 1219[08:32:24] <gdrdr_nick> I think Mint should be fine
• 1220[08:32:37] <dsockwell> in the time we've spent vaccilating, you could have tried 2 distros.
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• 1222[08:33:10] <gdrdr_nick> Which are?
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• 1224[08:33:18] <dsockwell> idk, arch and mint
• 1225[08:33:24] <dsockwell> or slackware and mint
• 1226[08:33:30] <dsockwell> or ubuntu and LFS
• 1227[08:33:42] <dsockwell> or tails and kali
• 1228[08:33:55] <gdrdr_nick> I am gonna try mint
• 1229[08:34:01] <gdrdr_nick> What do you mean?
• 1230[08:34:03] <gdrdr_nick> Dual boot?
• 1231[08:34:19] <dsockwell> i mean you could have downloaded 2 liveCDs and played with them
• 1232[08:34:23] <gdrdr_nick> How do I use the "Signed sha256 sigs" on this Mint page? replaced-url
• 1233[08:34:39] <gdrdr_nick> I have used Mint
• 1234[08:34:46] <gdrdr_nick> Pretty familiar with it
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• 1236[08:34:53] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: it's fine if you're going to go with Mint, but it's not supported here, only Debian is
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• 1238[08:34:55] <gdrdr_nick> I think it should be ok to install it on my PC
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• 1240[08:34:57] <jmcnaught> !mint
• 1241[08:34:57] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 1242[08:35:02] <gdrdr_nick> Sorry
• 1243[08:35:08] <gdrdr_nick> Thanks a lot guys!
• 1244[08:35:10] <gdrdr_nick> For your time
• 1245[08:35:20] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: have a good one :)
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• 1248[08:35:50] <msn> "I want you to tell me what distro to use, but whatever you suggest i am using mint"
• 1249[08:35:58] <mutante> good luck, you can get off of steam, you'll make it
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• 1304[09:03:53] <unborn> :D
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• 1371[09:26:52] <MisterGadfly> Anyone know of a way to color apt's output? I can barely discern information from all that whiteness.
• 1372[09:27:27] <petemc> i use ccze for my colorizing needs
• 1373[09:27:31] <petemc> mostly logs tho
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• 1398[09:35:27] <kw5> Hello :) I am using Jessie and a backported Iceweasel. While running "aptitude update", I received a message that I need to update my sources.list because of Iceweasel. I read about that it is no longer necessary for Debian to rebrand Firefox to Iceweasel. Do I just remove the line for the backported version from my sources.list?
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• 1473[10:05:24] <choice> Is it possible to install debian over an existing linux partition without f**** up the boot manager?
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• 1476[10:07:16] <Iridos> you'll need a boot loader to boot it
• 1477[10:07:37] <Iridos> guess you can install it on the partition instead of the MBR
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• 1479[10:07:56] <choice> Yes. There are already multiple linux partitions on the drive.
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• 1481[10:08:15] <choice> One is encrypted, so its not a very simple setup.
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• 1483[10:08:24] <kw5> Is it a good idea to remove Iceweasel when you use the backported firefox version in Debian Jessie? I am thinking package dependcy issues..
• 1484[10:08:29] <choice> And i want to install Debian in one of the unencrypted partitions.
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• 1487[10:09:12] <Iridos> seems like you want to use debootstrap... funnily I never needed to use that
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• 1490[10:09:18] <Iridos> dpkg, debootstrap
• 1491[10:09:18] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 1502[10:11:46] <Iridos> ha. firefox-branded firefox. already?
• 1503[10:11:51] <Iridos> judd, versions firefox
• 1504[10:11:53] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 45.0.2-1~bpo80+1; sid: 45.0.2-1; experimental: 46.0~b5-1
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• 1507[10:12:37] <TomTomTosch> for a few weeks now :3
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• 1509[10:13:23] <kw5> Are you supposed to remove Iceweasel then though? I guess not but I am unsure
• 1510[10:13:37] <Iridos> kw5, it hasn't even left sid... I'd maybe wait a little? And in principle the dependencies are for working stuff like that out... I'd have a close look at what apt-get or aptitude are saying they're going to do before they do it, though
• 1511[10:13:37] <kw5> I am still in the habit of opening Iceweasel instead of firefox
• 1512[10:13:54] <TomTomTosch> things like gnome still depend on iceweasel.
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• 1514[10:14:14] <Iridos> duh...
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• 1516[10:14:25] <kw5> Ok thanks for the info
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• 1519[10:15:05] <Iridos> there should be a wossname... transitory iceweasel package
• 1520[10:15:10] <Iridos> judd, versions iceweasel
• 1521[10:15:11] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.0.2esr-1
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• 1524[10:15:33] <hiya> Guys, which is the best VNC client that you have ever used?
• 1525[10:15:57] <Iridos> but not in backports
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• 1530[10:18:08] <alioui_> i look for bash behavior when i start typing a command and press pageup it will give me one by one of all command executed that start whit what i just typed ?? do i have to install some package for that
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• 1542[10:21:35] <Iridos> kw5... gorn
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• 1544[10:22:13] <Iridos> alioui_, ctrl-r instead of pageup does something similar (albeit not limited to the start)
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• 1548[10:24:01] <Iridos> there's also history-search-backward
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• 1550[10:24:21] <Iridos> I guess that's the one you're referring to
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• 1552[10:24:28] <Iridos> you'd need to bind that to a key
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• 1555[10:25:57] <alioui_> ok, i was thinking i will be a simple task ( change some conf file, or install some package)
• 1556[10:26:04] <alioui_> thanks
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• 1558[10:26:15] <Iridos> seems actually not so hard
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• 1562[10:27:59] <Iridos> alioui_, bind '"X": history-search-backward' # remove the X and type "ctrl-v PageUp" instead of it
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• 1566[10:29:27] <Iridos> alioui_, after you got that to work, write the same line at the end of your .bashrc
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• 1569[10:31:32] <alioui_> ok i will try it :)
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• 1578[10:35:28] <ljhade24> has anyone tried new 2016 dell xps 13 with debian?
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• 1580[10:36:02] <Iridos> (probably looks like ^[[5~ , but that is really ESC [5~ )
• 1581[10:36:16] <ljhade24> it has no lan port on board and has 'Dell 1820A' wireless card but I don't see any 'dell' wireless card on debian stable
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• 1584[10:37:41] <ws2k3> Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be
• 1585[10:37:41] <ws2k3> exacly?
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• 1593[10:40:34] <Iridos> alioui_, bind '"\e[5~": history-search-backward' works for me (the \e makes the escape character)
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• 1600[10:43:32] <Iridos> ljhade24, look for it in the output of lspci -nn ... look for the number that looks like [0000:0000]
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• 1607[10:46:32] <TomTomTosch> if it's broadcom 4350 it might work with the 4.4 kernel.
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• 1610[10:47:22] <ljhade24> Iridos: I didn't install on it yet. it seems debian stable install can't find dell wireless driver. It says no networking available
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• 1613[10:48:21] <ljhade24> TomTomTosch: how can I find dell wireless is the same driver as 4350?
• 1614[10:48:27] <Iridos> ljhade24, if it's new it will likely need a newer kernel than in stable
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• 1617[10:49:09] <Iridos> seems there's no kmuto installer builds anymore
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• 1619[10:49:31] <TomTomTosch> ljhade24: by doing what Iridos said or by going into the device manager of whatever OS you have installed.
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• 1622[10:50:28] <TomTomTosch> the descriptions dell has online are rather lacking.
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• 1635[10:55:36] <plasmoduck> Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet
• 1636[10:55:38] <plasmoduck> It's slow with scp and samba
• 1637[10:56:20] <jelly> plasmoduck: and if you put the pc on a wired connection too?
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• 1640[10:58:11] <plasmoduck> I don't have another cable to test jelly :/
• 1641[10:59:01] <plasmoduck> All I'm doing is streaming a movie with plex from my server to my pc and uploading files
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• 1643[10:59:10] <plasmoduck> But it seems to upload very slow to my server
• 1644[10:59:59] <plasmoduck> jelly, I've tried long and short preamble settings on router.
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• 1646[11:00:22] <plasmoduck> Speed is set to highest, 300Mb/s
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• 1659[11:07:47] <plasmoduck> jelly, my connection is not the greatest quality but I don't think it matters too much replaced-url
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• 1662[11:11:19] <plasmoduck> It's like my data is routing through the internet
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• 1667[11:13:36] <mlq> Hello, I want to pin specific packages from a certain origin, but for whatever reason apt-cache policy applies the pin-priority to all other sources as well: replaced-url
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• 1671[11:16:34] <jelly> plasmoduck: well, samba and scp are different protocols. You can rule out storage bottlenecks by running "iperf" or similar networking benchmark on both ends
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• 1673[11:17:28] <plasmoduck> jelly, thanks, I'll try that.
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• 1675[11:18:35] <coombee> hey guys need some help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in
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• 1679[11:20:18] <teraflops> Zuluwat? You guys use strange things
• 1680[11:20:19] <jelly> mlq: um, looks like your pin is working as specified.
• 1681[11:20:50] <jelly> mlq: okay, the output is weird but the Candidate: is still the right one
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• 1685[11:22:01] <coombee> ZuluMount for a cryptography
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• 1702[11:32:59] <ws2k3> Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be
• 1703[11:32:59] <ws2k3> exacly?
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• 1705[11:33:57] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: why donÄt u use xen create image tool, you can specify there how large the partions should be and which fs type you preffer
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• 1707[11:34:29] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: much more easier than running the standard debian installation
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• 1709[11:35:14] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yeah that could be interesting if you deploy many debian 7 instandses but this one just need to have a different setup
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• 1716[11:36:45] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 im now trying to mount /dev/xvda1 manualy with: mount /dev/xvda1 /mnt but it give me the error failed:Invalid argument
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• 1720[11:38:04] <coombee> any help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in
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• 1723[11:38:47] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: where do you type this command. On the DomU or the Dom0
• 1724[11:39:01] <ws2k3> DomU(inside the vm)
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• 1726[11:39:31] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: Hmm im not sure but xvda1 may be the root fs of the DomU
• 1727[11:40:06] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: can u paste me here the oupout of /proc/mounts ?
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• 1729[11:40:19] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yes /dev/xvda1 is the root fs of the DomU but cause i got the error during the installation i am now into the execute a shell
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• 1731[11:41:29] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 the ash Bourne-shell
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• 1733[11:42:35] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: so this partition is not mounted
• 1734[11:42:46] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yes its not mounted
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• 1736[11:42:52] <coombee> yeah not mounted
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• 1739[11:43:34] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 coombee im trying to mount it to try to understand why it fails
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• 1741[11:44:28] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: do you use lvs ?
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• 1743[11:44:47] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 no. just plain ext4
• 1744[11:46:01] <Cloudwalker42> I use for my xen Dom0's lv's and if I want to mount a specific partition of a DomU i just mount the /dev/*partition*
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• 1747[11:46:28] <Cloudwalker42> But I donÄt mount in in a rescue mode in DomU insteed I Mount the partion on the Dom0
• 1748[11:47:09] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yeah i understand. but im just trying to figure out why my debian install fails. i dont have any data on it
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• 1750[11:47:36] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: hmm sorry imo ut
• 1751[11:48:09] <coombee> yeah
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• 1754[11:49:43] <p0rt> hey
• 1755[11:49:55] <p0rt> Is it possible to have 3 monitors?
• 1756[11:50:05] <p0rt> I have thinkpad x220 with docking station
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• 1759[11:50:15] <Stummi> p0rt, depends on your hardware
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• 1761[11:50:38] <p0rt> Stummi: xrandr gives me "cannot find crtc for output VGA1"
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• 1763[11:51:03] <p0rt> Stummi: But I can mirror hdmi and VGA monitor
• 1764[11:51:11] <p0rt> How can I fix this?
• 1765[11:51:22] <p0rt> Google doesn't help very much
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• 1769[11:52:05] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 ext4: Unknown symbol __bread_gfp (err 0) maby that is something wrong
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• 1772[11:53:54] <seeS> ive heard its possible but ive never had hardware decent enough to drive it
• 1773[11:54:12] <seeS> some laptops you can do 2 easily with a docking station
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• 1775[11:55:00] <p0rt> seeS: Well, I think it's possible with a docking station that I don't have
• 1776[11:55:18] <jelly> p0rt: it depends on your graphic card.
• 1777[11:55:50] <p0rt> jelly: Seems legit
• 1778[11:56:38] <jelly> intel gpus sandybridge generation couldn't drive more than 2 outputs at the same time, IIRC
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• 1780[11:56:42] <Quatroking> so my laptop froze last night after an uptime of 10 days
• 1781[11:56:49] <Quatroking> no overheating or anything, the sensors were in the green
• 1782[11:56:54] <Quatroking> how do I figure out what happened?
• 1783[11:56:56] <tinyhippo> laptops aren't servers
• 1784[11:57:28] <tinyhippo> they're designed to be turned off/hibernated/suspended rather than run 24/7
• 1785[11:57:29] <Quatroking> Yeah I know but that doesn't make freezing acceptable
• 1786[11:57:44] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 i downloaded a new image of the debian 7 netinstall and now it works just fine
• 1787[11:57:50] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 Realy strange
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• 1793[12:00:25] <seeS> p0rt, could well be. i know at work some peoples do dual and others (e.g. mine) dont
• 1794[12:00:25] <seeS> p0rt, thinkpads often come with port replicators not docking stations which could be the problem
• 1795[12:00:27] <seeS> ok *now* colon completes a nick not comma
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• 1797[12:01:04] <p0rt> seeS: depends on program you use :P
• 1798[12:01:13] <p0rt> seeS: Altough, mine cannot do 3 monitors
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• 1804[12:06:33] <blingrang> hello, debian 7.9, "Package debian-keyring is not available,"
• 1805[12:07:05] <blingrang> Never seen this. I've already ran "apt-get update".
• 1806[12:07:12] <blingrang> Any thoughts?
• 1807[12:07:53] <blingrang> It goes without saying, but I was trying to "apt-get install debian-keyring"
• 1808[12:07:55] <bdog7> another mirror?
• 1809[12:08:50] <blingrang> ok will try
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• 1814[12:12:08] <BadCodSmell> WTF can cause this: /home/user/application/branches/installer/cache/partial is missing. - Acquire (2: No such file or directory) ?
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• 1817[12:13:29] <blingrang> bdog7: no luck, "E: Package 'debian-keyring' has no installation candidate"
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• 1819[12:13:32] <BadCodSmell> I found it... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10cache.conf
• 1820[12:13:43] <BadCodSmell> how in the what the pigging hell
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• 1824[12:15:14] <BadCodSmell> Also where can I get openssh-dbg?
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• 1832[12:21:15] <BadCodSmell> Don't tell me I have to build that myself.
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• 1834[12:25:46] <jelly> Quatroking: if you have new enough hardware (haswell?) there may be some output of the kernel crash under /sys/fs/pstore/
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• 1846[12:34:26] <iamk> hello
• 1847[12:34:30] <iamk> i am wondering if anyone has any experience with trying to route display through the ethernet port of the computer
• 1848[12:34:38] <iamk> as in netbook'#s ethernet port -> ethernetcable -> ethernet to vga adapter -> display
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• 1850[12:35:32] <jelly> iamk: what do you mean by an "ethernet to vga adapter"?
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• 1853[12:36:20] <iamk> jelly: replaced-url
• 1854[12:36:22] <iamk> something like this
• 1855[12:36:31] <iamk> well...actually that exactly.
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• 1857[12:36:38] <iamk> rjh45 -> vga
• 1858[12:36:47] <iamk> rj45 *
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• 1863[12:37:40] <jelly> iamk: that needs VGA on both ends, it does not talk ethernet frames through the cable but uses the cable for analog VGA signal.
• 1864[12:38:02] <iamk> yes, i agree and was aware of hat
• 1865[12:38:15] <iamk> my question was somewhat along the lines of, let me see if i can phrase it better. :
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• 1867[12:39:00] <iamk> is there any way of reprogramming the ethernet port on the netbook so as to send video signal to aforementioned adapter that'd go into display?
• 1868[12:39:06] <jelly> no.
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• 1870[12:39:42] <iamk> oh
• 1871[12:39:48] <iamk> anticlimatic :(
• 1872[12:40:06] <iamk> thanks, jelly
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• 1879[12:45:18] <Quatroking> jelly, nope, that folder's empty
• 1880[12:45:35] <Quatroking> the laptop isn't all that new, it's a 2011 i5
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• 1899[12:56:43] <`z> Hello all. I'm running a headless Debian stretch on my Raspberry Pi (yes, it's genuine Debian, not Raspbian). I currently use wicd to manage my network, and it does it well, automatically falling over to Wi-Fi when wired connection is not available.
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• 1902[12:57:29] <`z> Now I want it to fall over to a dial-up connection when neither Wi-Fi or wired connection is up. How can I do it automatically?
• 1903[12:58:01] <`z> (i.e. I want to set the default route to ppp0 when eth0 and wlan0 are both down)
• 1904[12:58:14] <Fidelix> Hello folks. I've tried many times in different ways to install debian on a Dell server, but it just won't boot after the installation. I'm not doing anything complicated, just taking over the whole disk and installing grub to the master boot record.
• 1905[12:58:27] <ksk> Fidelix: hardware raid?
• 1906[12:58:29] <Fidelix> I'm just being dropped into the grub rescue shell (minimal)
• 1907[12:58:40] <Fidelix> ksk: yes
• 1908[12:58:51] <ksk> you are probably missing firmware to use them
• 1909[12:59:03] <ksk> but please dont ask me which..
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• 1912[12:59:34] <Fidelix> PERC h710.
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• 1916[13:00:49] <ksk> Fidelix: which debian release?
• 1917[13:01:03] <ksk> internet says wheezy (a 3.x kernel) -should- work
• 1918[13:02:17] <Fidelix> ksk Jessie
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• 1931[13:07:02] <Fidelix> ksk, weird. Using the graphical installer worked. Really weird.
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• 1938[13:12:21] <ksk> mhhm, there is a point where installer (either grapical or not) asks you what kind of modules you want to add (like "needed for my machine"/"all"/"none" ) or sth like that..
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• 1951[13:18:36] <sjm_> can somebody help me fix a bunch of broken packages please? replaced-url
• 1952[13:18:48] <sjm_> i've tried apt-get install -f and it didn't do anything
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• 2026[14:09:37] <tako> i decided that i'm moving Debian Testing
• 2027[14:09:56] <tako> because all application are old in stable version
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• 2029[14:10:16] <markybob> tako: then move to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2033[14:11:20] <tako> markybob, are you using sid ?
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• 2035[14:11:39] <markybob> tako: no. this channel is for stable. read the /topic
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• 2039[14:13:11] <debUser1978> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
• 2040[14:13:16] <debUser1978> hmm..
• 2041[14:13:37] <markybob> debUser1978: wrong network. it's irc.oftc.net not freenode (which is where you're at)
• 2042[14:13:52] <debUser1978> I noticed. Thanks.
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• 2122[14:54:15] <deadmouse> hey, i am facing some troubles with the rightclick of the mouse. it gets disabled when i am opening windows, terminals and using it to select objects. i can only fix it temparary untill it happens again by "Ctrl+Alt+Fx then F7" or "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace", what should i doo?
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• 2124[14:54:36] <Doo> start by highlighting someone else
• 2125[14:54:37] <Doo> :D
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• 2127[14:55:34] <deadmouse> lol xD sorry
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• 2134[14:59:31] <Doo> :D
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• 2143[15:02:13] <bipul> hello anyone around?
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• 2148[15:05:03] <jim> bipul, occasionally I look in, yes...
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• 2152[15:05:49] <bipul> jim, ?
• 2153[15:05:56] <bipul> jim, Do you know?
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• 2156[15:07:03] <jim> I had to exit and come back on irc a couple mins ago, I don't have a question from you in my scrollback
• 2157[15:07:09] <timmeyh> bipul: hi
• 2158[15:07:43] <bipul> sure, let me repeat.
• 2159[15:07:45] <bipul> timmeyh, Hello
• 2160[15:07:45] <bipul> jim, how to convert debian-install source code for particular package into the netinstall image?
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• 2163[15:08:44] <jim> you mean you want to install that package during netinstall...
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• 2166[15:09:39] <jim> I don't quite have all the pieces of your question... but, try this...
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• 2168[15:09:48] <jim> apt-get source hello
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• 2170[15:10:09] <jim> (be not-root, in a dir with a bit of space)
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• 2172[15:10:51] <jim> (this is a tiny and incomplete tour around building packages from debianized source)
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• 2177[15:11:48] <bipul> ok, let me try this
• 2178[15:12:10] <jim> bipul, once you get to that place or if you have trouble, say so
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• 2182[15:14:36] <bipul> jim, sure , i will acknowledge you.
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• 2205[15:18:54] <bipul> I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz
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• 2208[15:19:10] <bipul> jim, I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz
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• 2221[15:20:48] <gr8> I am trying to define a function in .bashrc. I have the following in my .bashrc: function search() {find . -iname "*$1*"}. Now when I execute source and run the search command, I get "find: paths must precede expression: sampler". The guys in #bash have no idea, maybe it's a Debian problem?
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• 2224[15:23:08] <jim> bipul, ok...
• 2225[15:23:27] <bipul> jim, You have any document or link?
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• 2228[15:24:19] <themill> gr8: can you pastebin the output of "type -a search"?
• 2229[15:24:25] <jim> bipul, the reason you were able to do this, is that in your sources.list, you have lines that start with "deb-src" and point to the archive where the hello package is
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• 2231[15:24:38] <bipul> ok.
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• 2234[15:25:20] <SPF> gr8: works fine here
• 2235[15:26:21] <SPF> gr8: maybe you have a previous alias for find?
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• 2240[15:27:19] <jim> one thing you can do to learn about sources and authoring packages, is read the files in that dir... but, right now, let's just build the package... first, like all packages that have any form of a build system (and that's pretty much all of them), the hello package has build dependencies... which are the packages needed in order to build AND package hello.
• 2241[15:27:21] <lancebeet> gr8: works for me too under jessie
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• 2243[15:27:53] <jim> bipul, su over to root, and run this: apt-get build-dep hello
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• 2245[15:28:14] <bipul> jim, sure
• 2246[15:28:35] <jim> (because you need to get those oackages needed to build hello, if you want to build it)
• 2247[15:29:32] <antena-cli> In AccuWeather Desklet, if I put accuweather as Source, what should I put as Location to receive the climate information about Rio de Janeiro, Brazil?
• 2248[15:29:36] <bipul> yes, i want to build it
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• 2250[15:30:20] <bipul> root@bipul:~/Public# apt-get build-dep hello
• 2251[15:30:21] <bipul> Reading package lists... Done
• 2252[15:30:21] <bipul> Building dependency tree
• 2253[15:30:21] <bipul> Reading state information... Done
• 2254[15:30:21] <bipul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 193 not upgraded.
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• 2259[15:30:48] <jim> uhoh...
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• 2261[15:31:00] <gr8> themill: replaced-url
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• 2268[15:31:29] <jim> ok, so you ALREADY have the build depends for hello
• 2269[15:31:49] <themill> gr8: having both an alias and a function defined is at best confusing
• 2270[15:31:49] <jim> log out from the su, and cd to the hello dir
• 2271[15:32:03] <bipul> sorry for pasting my terminal logs.
• 2272[15:32:34] <bipul> Yes, I am in hello directory.
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• 2275[15:32:53] <jim> ok, ls and notice, you have a debian dir
• 2276[15:32:53] <gr8> themill: oops! that was the problem, thanks a lot =)
• 2277[15:32:59] <themill> gr8: the quoting you have in the alias and the function are also different
• 2278[15:33:09] <gr8> the alias came first
• 2279[15:33:14] <gr8> so that's why it didn't work
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• 2281[15:33:34] <themill> yeah, and aliases don't do positional arguments, so you would have had a very odd command indeed
• 2282[15:33:43] <jim> bipul see it there?
• 2283[15:33:56] <gr8> well this is awesome at least. Now I can search in bash easily
• 2284[15:34:04] <bipul> jim wait i am on the way
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• 2289[15:35:28] <antena-cli> Got it: SAM|BR|BR017|RIO DE JANEIRO
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• 2291[15:36:47] <Cloudwalker42> I want to rsync a whole existent linux system to antoher fresh installed linux system. I have on question regard this. What folders should be exluded from this action. I will exclude /boot /sys /run /proc /dev /etc/network/interfaces /etc/udev/persisten.net.rules
• 2292[15:37:47] <Cloudwalker42> it is necessary that the system which is the source of the action is online. I know this is shit because of incosistence and and.... but its a special szenario.
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• 2294[15:38:55] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, can you make a snapshot of the system?
• 2295[15:39:25] <brigo> you can check the output of mount command it will be a good start point.
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• 2299[15:39:51] <Cloudwalker42> brigo: im not sure how to do this. I mean I take snapshopts of lvs but not from physical hard drives
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• 2302[15:41:06] <ChrisH> Cloudwalker42: snapshots of LVs would improve the uglyness :) a bit
• 2303[15:41:26] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, rsync will not sync hard disk information bit to bit, it will clone the files in the filesystem you can get in lvs snapshots.
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• 2305[15:41:55] <Cloudwalker42> ChrisH: ^^ i use snapshopts for xen instances. mostly to take the downtime not so high
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• 2311[15:42:59] <Cloudwalker42> brigo: ok thx
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• 2314[15:43:17] <brigo> i can see a 'tmpfs on /run' in my system.
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• 2316[15:43:36] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, np and good luck with that. :)
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• 2339[15:59:32] * Tarjaizaid
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• 2349[16:02:41] <strk> are scripts in /etc/systemd/system all started at system boot ?
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• 2352[16:03:19] <teraflops> strk: if you enable them, yes
• 2353[16:03:40] <strk> how are them enabled ?
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• 2434[16:33:27] <jim> bipul, so I just showed you how to build a debian package (because I kinda didn't understand your underlying question, and I thought that might be part of the solution... if you could ask the question again here, maybe someone can shed some light
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• 2436[16:34:03] <bipul> jim, sure, and thank you very much for your precious time. :)
• 2437[16:34:11] <jim> welcome
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• 2470[16:46:10] <plasmoduck> I'm using this service replaced-url
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• 2482[16:49:21] <strk> what does it mean for "service xxx status" to tell me a service is active while "chkconfig xxx" to tell me xxx unknown service
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• 2484[16:49:56] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, Have you tried their FAQ or help center? Section manual setup?
• 2485[16:50:33] <okee> what is the command that shows the device and type of file system associated with it. I am familiar with lsblk, df,
• 2486[16:50:35] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, help center > manual setup instructions
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• 2489[16:51:53] <TomasCZ> okee, depends what you seek. mount
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• 2492[16:52:28] <okee> TomasCZ> I have a bunch of unmounted drives, and trying to figure out what to do with them. Am I correct that these all go in the media folder?
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• 2494[16:53:42] <TomasCZ> okee, it always depends on administrator where he mounts stuff. Some mount physical devices inside pc elsewhere some do those also into /media
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• 2500[16:54:41] <okee> TomasCZ> I lost my mounting during the upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie. I seem to recall that Debian wants to put the devices in a specific location by default. Is that the /media folder?
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• 2504[16:56:23] <plasmoduck> TomasCZ, I followed this replaced-url
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• 2507[16:56:57] <plasmoduck> TomasCZ, But I get
• 2508[16:56:58] <plasmoduck> # vyprvpn connect
• 2509[16:56:58] <TomasCZ> okee, I'd say you are right on /media.
• 2510[16:56:58] <plasmoduck> Error: Received status 400 from VyprVPN management service. Server connect request failed
• 2511[16:57:19] <okee> TomasCZ> I have a big mess on my hands.
• 2512[16:57:26] <plasmoduck> Is there not a file I can edit?
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• 2517[17:01:11] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, I can't say that is their app, so you might want to ask them if you have paid account. My own preference in VPN's is openvpn, looking at guide there I see they suggest/expect X11 but with little effort and knowledge you might know how to set it without that.
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• 2525[17:02:44] <okee> TomasCZ> What is ghostbusters? The problem I have is trying to figure out which drive is associated with specific OS.
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• 2541[17:06:01] <TomasCZ> okee, you mean you don't know filesystem type? fdisk -l /dev/sda or if you want graphical gparted
• 2542[17:06:23] <fred1807> How can I kill the local framebuffer process from a headlesmachine, from command line?
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• 2545[17:07:44] <somiaj> fred1807: why do you want to kill it? Are you sure it is a frame buffer and not a kms driver (this may load even on a headless machine)
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• 2548[17:08:35] <fred1807> somiaj: I want to load some images on negative layers and the basic tty is always on layer 0
• 2549[17:09:29] <somiaj> fred1807: and how would this do anything on a headless machine? But I digress, make sure you are really using framebuffers.
• 2550[17:09:50] <somiaj> fred1807: most modern drivers use the kms kernel driver, which has some framebuffer comadability, but is not the same thing.
• 2551[17:10:04] <somiaj> you can disable modsetting with boot parameters though if you need
• 2552[17:10:13] <fred1807> somiaj: ok, not headless machine, It is attached to a hdmi monitor, but only for displaying images, it is controlled via ssh
• 2553[17:10:42] <fred1807> images are displayed via FBI, I can set the layer number, but I need to use some below 0
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• 2589[17:24:27] <somiaj> fred1807: anyways it has been a long time since I've dealt with framebuffers, but I would check what graphics card you have, if the standard module is loading you may have kms drivers loading. If you need features not present int he kms drivers you can disable it. Though unsure if framebuffers will be any easier, I only know kms has some framebuffer comadability, but I think it can also have stuff displayed on the console using kms tools (unsure ...
• 2590[17:24:33] <somiaj> ... here too)
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• 2592[17:25:22] <Hello71> fred1807: run X?
• 2593[17:25:34] <vitaerk> hi, want to install snort with apt, cant find it! sources.list main contrib nonfree.
• 2594[17:25:34] <thekeys> I looked that latest standard debian hybrid iso 32bit is more than 100M bigger than the 64bit version. Why is that ? Historically 32bit versions have been smaller, no ?
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• 2596[17:25:50] <somiaj> !tell vitaerk about search
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• 2598[17:26:00] <somiaj> ,v snort
• 2599[17:26:01] <judd> Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5
• 2600[17:26:03] <okee> would someone refresh me as to what a sample mount command is for mounting a device? I took a look at the man page, but some how not quite getting it.
• 2601[17:26:16] <vitaerk> replaced-url
• 2602[17:26:38] <somiaj> vitaerk: it looks like snort was removed from jessie, you can go check the qa page (from the link you just gave) and see why it was removed rom jessie (most likely a grave rc bug)
• 2603[17:26:41] <hamersaw> okee: 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb'
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• 2605[17:26:45] <vitaerk> i have jessie
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• 2607[17:27:11] <vitaerk> ok,
• 2608[17:27:17] <somiaj> vitaerk: click on one of those packages in the list you got, in the right you'll see a link for 'Developer Information (PTS)'
• 2609[17:27:28] <okee> hamersaw> Thanks
• 2610[17:27:29] <somiaj> vitaerk: that site can direct you to when it was removed from jessie (it would have been testing at the time)
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• 2614[17:28:17] <somiaj> vitaerk: replaced-url
• 2615[17:28:19] <vitaerk> thank you for the quick help.
• 2616[17:28:49] <somiaj> vitaerk: seems like the matainer just didn't get the libaries needed in jessie in time, and missed the freeze dates and it wasn't evlevated to ensure it got into jessie
• 2617[17:28:52] <somiaj> ,check-backport snort
• 2618[17:29:02] <judd> Backporting package snort in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev.
• 2619[17:29:11] <somiaj> vitaerk: you might be able to backport it youself, but it also requires you backport libdaq
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• 2624[17:29:35] <somiaj> that is the libary that didn't get into jessie before the freeze that prevented snort from being part of jessie
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• 2634[17:31:08] <LoRe_> i'm doing to apt upgrade, and there are 27 newly installed packages, how can i find out which packages suddenly depend on them?
• 2635[17:31:14] <vitaerk> somiaj: i need it for a vserver. how long i have to wait and watch out
• 2636[17:31:56] <somiaj> vitaerk: jessie is a 'frozen' system, policy of the freeze is why snort was removed and why snort will not be part of jessie.
• 2637[17:32:02] <vitaerk> maybe this is nearly the same: suricata - Next Generation Intrusion Detection and Prevention Tool
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• 2639[17:32:21] <somiaj> vitaerk: The matainer may backport it for you, but it is not currently backported and there is no guarntee if or when this happens. The only sure way to do it is to backport it yourself
• 2640[17:32:25] <somiaj> !tell vitaerk about ssb
• 2641[17:32:33] <somiaj> vitaerk: follow those instructions, they may work. You'll have to first backport libdaq
• 2642[17:32:38] <somiaj> ,check-backport libdaq
• 2643[17:32:39] <judd> No package named 'libdaq' was found in sid/amd64.
• 2644[17:32:47] <somiaj> ,check-backport libdaq2
• 2645[17:32:48] <judd> Backporting package libdaq2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2647[17:33:13] <somiaj> vitaerk: but backporting libdaq2 and then snort should allow you to build custom .deb so y ou can snort and its required supporting libary.
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• 2650[17:33:31] <somiaj> LoRe_: What version of debian are you running?
• 2651[17:33:39] <LoRe_> somiaj: testing
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• 2653[17:33:49] <somiaj> LoRe_: there are various ways to look at reverse depends, you can run 'aptitude why packagename' as one way
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• 2655[17:33:59] <somiaj> LoRe_: testing will ahve this happen all the time
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• 2659[17:34:47] <somiaj> LoRe_: depends, new packages and how packages are related are always changing in testing. This is part of the joy of testing. Is there an actual bug happening or do you just want to see what changed? Maybe install apt-listchanges and lots of reading when you upgrade if you just want to track chagnes
• 2660[17:34:50] <LoRe_> somiaj: normally i don't care, but now it want's to install texlive-base, that's to huge for that computer
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• 2663[17:35:31] <somiaj> LoRe_: if you use 'apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade' does it still want to pull in textlive-base?
• 2664[17:35:35] <aborrero> vitaerk: give suricata a chance :-) it's ruleset-compatible with snort, and more powerfull (speaking with the suricata maintainer hat)
• 2665[17:36:04] <somiaj> LoRe_: run an apt-get upgrade first, this will upgade all packages that don't need to install new stuff. Then you may ahve a small list you can look at to track down the depends. I can't think of any tool to quickly/automatically do this though.
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• 2669[17:37:05] <aborrero> vitaerk: and yeah, suricata is updated in stable backports and in testing :-)
• 2670[17:37:15] <vitaerk> aborrero: yes, i think i will try it, because i spend 4h in installation in jessie
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• 2672[17:37:23] <LoRe_> --no-install-recommends looks better, in this case also a simple upgrade wants to install new stuff...
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• 2674[17:37:46] <somiaj> LoRe_: are you using apt-get (not aptitude). apt-get upgrade will not isntall/remove packages (else you found a bug in apt)
• 2675[17:37:54] <aborrero> vitaerk: please, feel free to open bugs for suricata if you find any :-)
• 2676[17:38:00] <vitaerk> otherwise i had a fresh ruleset from snort... arghhh
• 2677[17:38:28] <vitaerk> have
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• 2679[17:38:59] <somiaj> LoRe_: from the man page for apt-get upgrade, "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed."
• 2680[17:39:21] <LoRe_> somiaj: indeed, apt-get upgrade doesn't do that, i was using apt upgrade
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• 2683[17:39:41] <LoRe_> very confusing, 3 different tools to manage debian packages :)
• 2684[17:39:57] <vitaerk> what command i have to use, if i need the name of debian release ... jessie, wheezy etc
• 2685[17:40:00] <somiaj> LoRe_: yea I haven't payed much attentiont to the differences between apt and apt-get, looks like apt is using aptitudes upgrade/safe-upgrade logic more than apt, that is unfortunate. I like apt-get upgrade.
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• 2687[17:40:10] <vitaerk> only sources.list?
• 2688[17:40:19] <vitaerk> nothing in uname -r
• 2689[17:40:28] <vitaerk> uname -a
• 2690[17:40:33] <somiaj> LoRe_: each has its own use, but I'm surprised apt functions that differntlly then apt-get. But I haven't been watching or using apt.
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• 2695[17:41:40] <somiaj> vitaerk: and really there is one core tool to manage packages (dpkg), and the apt are different logic/font ends to manage the ability to install packages from a server and figure out the logic to install depends
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• 2698[17:43:28] <vitaerk> yes, i can download snort.deb, but i prefer to install with apt somiaj
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• 2700[17:43:45] <vitaerk> because of depends
• 2701[17:44:22] <LoRe_> somiaj: APT::Install-Recommends "false" and APT::Install-Suggests "false" in apt.conf works, thanks
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• 2705[17:46:15] <somiaj> LoRe_: I would not disable reocmmends
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• 2707[17:46:40] <somiaj> LoRe_: by policy those packages should be needed. Though I think sometimes packages get called 'recommends' when they should be 'suggested'
• 2708[17:46:42] <vitaerk> somiaj: yes, i had never backported something, so i dont know
• 2709[17:46:44] <somiaj> !recommends
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• 2711[17:47:15] <somiaj> vitaerk: no. The problem is the binary also depends on packages (some core packages like the libc libaries) and those would also need to be upgraded
• 2712[17:47:42] <somiaj> vitaerk: so you cannot install a .deb made for a different version of debian (or a different distro) without the chance of also pulling in core libs which will then make your system unsable.
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• 2716[17:48:22] <somiaj> vitaerk: backporting compiles the software to depend on the libaries in jessie. Since no one has done this for the software you want, you'll have to do it yourself. The factoid I sent you should give you some steps to 'automate this'
• 2717[17:48:38] <somiaj> vitaerk: but you'll have to first backport the libary, install it (and the -dev version of it) then backport snort
• 2718[17:48:40] <LoRe_> somiaj: well the disk space is very limited, i take the risk :)
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• 2726[17:50:34] <vitaerk> somiaj: ok, thank you for all the informations
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• 2728[17:50:54] <LoRe_> somiaj: as long as nobody is using Recommends instead of Depends i should be fine
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• 2741[17:56:32] <thekeys> If e2fsck says root partition is clean, does it mean it is all ok or should I do something else, I saw some errors when I updated pc. It did something with grub
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• 2746[17:59:28] <unborn> hey guys, I am building up very simple python bot for irc channel.. I like one here on this channel when you say !something bot will give you the answer...is there any way to get have look how its written?
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• 2749[18:00:27] <teraflops> !version
• 2750[18:00:27] <dpkg> Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
• 2751[18:00:39] <teraflops> :s
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• 2753[18:02:05] <jmcnaught> unborn: replaced-url
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• 2756[18:02:53] <unborn> jmcnaught: thank you! that is exactly what I am looking for.. :)
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• 2758[18:03:19] <abrotman> dpkg: tell unborn about infobot
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• 2766[18:06:00] <jelly> unborn: dpkg is an infobot, horrible perl mess. Take a look at "limnoria" or its ancestor "supybot", and one of the factoid plugins for those
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• 2768[18:06:34] <jelly> dpkg: what are you
• 2769[18:06:34] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
• 2770[18:06:41] <jelly> dselect: what are you
• 2771[18:06:41] <dselect> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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• 2774[18:06:53] <jelly> waitaminute
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• 2781[18:09:45] <unborn> jelly: well my bot is just one python file.. I want to be able to tell user link or info which is repeated all over day by day.. you know like !letsencrypt > give some info or link.. I already have that but would like to see how to implement that bot till do: !command unborn and bot would reply with my nick name to me
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• 2790[18:15:42] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 2806[18:20:21] <b0xii> i've got a giant mouse now since I installed nvidia-driver. It is normal size when it moves over windows though. Any ideas?
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• 2809[18:20:44] <dury> got this issue to install graphic driver replaced-url
• 2810[18:21:02] <toruvinn> b0xii, i sorta recall (from like 10 years ago?) you could define the size and/or shadow.
• 2811[18:21:11] <toruvinn> b0xii, perhaps you need to disable cursor shadow?
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• 2814[18:21:29] <toruvinn> b0xii, some quick googling: replaced-url
• 2815[18:22:06] <dury> which do I have to install for that?
• 2816[18:22:09] <toruvinn> hm, maybe not cursor size then, but i remember the shadow being an issue, yes
• 2817[18:22:35] <dury> I mean which package?
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• 2819[18:22:57] <toruvinn> dury, i dunno, xserver-xorg-video-ati?
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• 2822[18:23:38] <toruvinn> dury, or maybe xserver-xorg-video-radeon? ;-P
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• 2825[18:24:41] <dury> toruvinn, I'm going to try though
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• 2828[18:24:56] <toruvinn> i'd just install both probably and let X autodetect ;-P
• 2829[18:25:08] <toruvinn> but i'm lazy, especially since that autodetection is quite reliable
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• 2833[18:26:36] <b0xii> toruvinn: will try that but it's supposed to default to off
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• 2835[18:26:56] <dury> both are installed already, toruvinn I don't know what's wrong though
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• 2837[18:27:05] <toruvinn> b0xii, i dunno, im fairly sure i never enabled it and still had issues with that, but bear in mind it really was like 2005 or something ;-)
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• 2842[18:27:38] <b0xii> toruvinn: thanks. there's an option for hardware rendering of cursor too... will play with that as well
• 2843[18:28:23] <toruvinn> dury, but what's happening, though? ;-p
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• 2845[18:28:53] <dury> toruvinn, hang on... !!!
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• 2855[18:30:43] <shibly> When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one?
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• 2857[18:31:29] <dury> toruvinn, I don't know I guess it doesn't load or something cheese application doesn't find the device
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• 2862[18:31:52] <b0xii> toruvinn: no luck with that fix, but thanks for trying
• 2863[18:31:59] <toruvinn> dury, you should definitely see the XOrg log.
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• 2866[18:32:33] <dury> toruvinn, where is located it?
• 2867[18:32:40] <jak2000> how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2?
• 2868[18:32:51] <jak2000> i want know only the differences
• 2869[18:32:52] <OneTonTomato> Hey everyone, I am struggling to get mailcatcher to start on boot with debian 8.4
• 2870[18:32:59] <toruvinn> dury, uh, dunno, /var/log? depends on how you launch xorg tbh. :-/
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• 2873[18:33:21] <OneTonTomato> I've written /etc/init.d/mailcatcher which supports start|stop|restart
• 2874[18:33:24] <toruvinn> jak2000, you could probably try two ls -1, sort them, then use comm to find differences...
• 2875[18:33:35] <toruvinn> jonathaN, actually you dont need to sort that since ls does that for you already.
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• 2877[18:33:44] <OneTonTomato> I've tried update-rc.d mailcatcher defaults && update-rc.d mailcatcher enable
• 2878[18:33:55] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, 8? you're on systemd, am i right? :-P
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• 2881[18:34:14] <OneTonTomato> I'm still confused about systemd vs upstart vs sys-V
• 2882[18:34:24] <OneTonTomato> So I'm using whatever comes out of the box with debian 8
• 2883[18:34:34] <toruvinn> well deb jessie+ is using systemd by default i believe.
• 2884[18:34:36] <mutante> systemd is the new stuff
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• 2886[18:34:42] <elusiveother> hello
• 2887[18:34:43] <dury> toruvinn, mate desktop environment launches automatically... after login user and pwd
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• 2889[18:34:58] <mutante> OneTonTomato: if you have /etc/systemd/system ..it's systemd
• 2890[18:35:03] <OneTonTomato> checking
• 2891[18:35:03] <elusiveother> does debian do backports of security patches for nginx?
• 2892[18:35:06] <toruvinn> dury, so have you checked your /var/log yet? :-P
• 2893[18:35:19] <OneTonTomato> I do indeed have systemd
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• 2895[18:35:37] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that you use the "systemctl" command for services etc
• 2896[18:35:42] <mutante> then
• 2897[18:35:44] <dury> toruvinn, so is it in location then?
• 2898[18:35:45] <elusiveother> i see there are a ton of CVEs for nginx between the packaged debian version and the current release
• 2899[18:35:47] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, it's easy to check. you just do ps aux and if you hear "OMFG" there's systemd in there ;^)
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• 2902[18:35:59] <toruvinn> dury, is it really that hard to just check what's in /var/log?
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• 2904[18:36:01] <dury> toruvinn, I mean that location
• 2905[18:36:19] <dury> toruvinn, ok hang on
• 2906[18:36:22] <OneTonTomato> Alright, so with systemd I need to write a script /etc/systemd/system/mailcatcher.service it looks like.
• 2907[18:36:52] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, i don't even know. you probably have to sacrifice a newborn too, otherwise it won't run.
• 2908[18:36:53] <jmcnaught> elusiveother: yes, you can track the backported security fixes with this site: replaced-url
• 2909[18:36:56] <toruvinn> i... dislike systemd.
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• 2911[18:37:11] <elusiveother> thank you very much, jmcnaught
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• 2916[18:37:24] <elusiveother> toruvinn, i haven't met a person who doesn't
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• 2921[18:38:40] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts, you can "systemctl enable <service name>" with just an init script, however service unit files are much easier to write than init scripts
• 2922[18:38:48] <toruvinn> elusiveother, the creators, probably.
• 2923[18:38:51] <jak2001> sorry
• 2924[18:38:59] <jak2001> how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2? i want know only the differences
• 2925[18:39:11] <mutante> OneTonTomato: yes, that is right, you want to put a foo.service file in /etc/systemd/system
• 2926[18:39:13] <dury> toruvinn, in /var/log there are Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old
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• 2930[18:39:19] <toruvinn> jak2001, what about that comm of ls -1 output of both dirs?
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• 2934[18:39:49] <mutante> OneTonTomato: as long as it's just a single process that is started, it's not too complex, let me show you a simple example
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• 2937[18:40:03] <jmcnaught> jak2001: or a dry-run with "rsync -n"
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• 2939[18:40:16] <dury> toruvinn, which one Xorg.0.log or Xorg.0.log.old ?
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• 2942[18:40:33] <mutante> OneTonTomato: replaced-url
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• 2944[18:40:36] <biggwutt> i just deleted a bunch of files on ext4 - i have a way to recover them, but not their filenames, which I really need
• 2945[18:40:40] <toruvinn> dury, i'd probably prefer the non-old one...
• 2946[18:40:44] <biggwutt> any recommendations?
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• 2948[18:41:04] <jmcnaught> !enter
• 2949[18:41:04] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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• 2952[18:41:21] <shibly> When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one?
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• 2954[18:41:35] <jmcnaught> you all are really difficult to follow when you split your self up on to multiple lines while others are talking and doing the same.
• 2955[18:41:43] <dury> toruvinn, so Xorg.0.log?
• 2956[18:42:02] <toruvinn> biggwutt, well don't think directory entries are wiped on deletion on ext4, as opposed to indirect+ blocks... so perhaps you could try dumping the directory inode to a file and just trying to analyze that?
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• 2960[18:42:46] <somiaj> shibly: replace.
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• 2962[18:42:51] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that's like the minimal thing you need, [Unit] [Service] an ExecStart command, that "WantedBy" part to make it start at boot. there is lots more of course if you get more complex
• 2963[18:42:54] <jak2001> toruvinn, ls -l give me 2 files
• 2964[18:43:02] <toruvinn> biggwutt, i frankly don't remember, though, what happens to directory entries on deletion, especially on ext4. but dumping the inode to file sounds like a good start. just don't touch the directory contents yet.
• 2965[18:43:05] <somiaj> shibly: and 'upgrade' is the word that gets used, 'update' means just updating the database (no actual installs)
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• 2968[18:43:37] <toruvinn> jak2001, -1 not -l, (that's one, not "l" as in "lydia"), and when you have those two files with filenames (sorted) you can use comm on that. may i suggest `man comm'?
• 2969[18:43:44] <jak2001> ye
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• 2971[18:43:53] <jak2001> ok yes ls -1 gve me 2 files
• 2972[18:44:01] <jak2001> wich it si this command?
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• 2978[18:44:30] <OneTonTomato> mutante: Here's what I've got: replaced-url
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• 2980[18:44:54] <OneTonTomato> mutante: Then I tried systemctl enable mailcatcher.service
• 2981[18:45:12] <OneTonTomato> It had a couple of warnings but generally seemed to work, but on reboot it still won't start.
• 2982[18:45:29] <dury> toruvinn, here it is what's on Xorg.0.log replaced-url
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• 2984[18:45:38] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: did you check the journal for that service?
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• 2987[18:45:44] <Tempname440> Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please?
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• 2990[18:46:49] <OneTonTomato> mutante: If I run journalctl it tells me no journal files were found.
• 2991[18:47:12] <shibly> somiaj, There is a command 'aptitude update <package>'
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• 2993[18:47:41] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that looks like a good start and about the same i have. it worked for me to get it started after boot with the multi-user.target
• 2994[18:47:45] <mutante> hmm
• 2995[18:48:13] <somiaj> shibly: the man page here does not mention that command.
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• 2997[18:48:25] <somiaj> shibly: are you sure it isn't just 'aptitude update' and the <package> is just ignored
• 2998[18:48:32] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: are you running journalctl as root or a member of the adm group? "systemctl status mailcatcher" shoudl also show the last few log entries
• 2999[18:48:32] <toruvinn> dury, frankly i haven't played with that for years now, but it doesn't really seem like there's a problem with your graphics driver there.
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• 3001[18:48:47] <mutante> OneTonTomato: does the EnvironmentFile thing really start with "=-" instead of just =? i dont know about that yet
• 3002[18:48:48] <toruvinn> dury, [ 28.389] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300" (ChipID = 0x7210)
• 3003[18:48:55] <toruvinn> dury, it detected your gpu just fine.
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• 3005[18:49:00] <somiaj> shibly: when I run 'aptitude update <package>' I get the error, "E: The update command takes no arguments", what version of debian are you running?
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• 3007[18:49:10] <Tempname440> Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please? After I boot from the USB stick and choose to install ubuntu the screen goes black.
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• 3010[18:49:24] <shibly> somiaj, aptitude update gnome-terminal
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• 3013[18:49:47] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: I am root
• 3014[18:49:52] <jmcnaught> dury: it looks like you're stuck in software rendering. you are probably lacking the firmware needed by the radeon driver. This page has the instructions: replaced-url
• 3015[18:49:54] <tako> i removed virtualbox because i install it from their source not from debian repos now i'm trying to install virtualbox from jessie backports i'm getting this error -> replaced-url
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• 3017[18:50:21] <toruvinn> jak2001, so, how's with your ls -1 dir1/ > out1 && ls -1 dir2/ > out2 && comm (-3?) out1 out2
• 3018[18:50:24] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: if you run "journalctl" with no arguments does it still say no journal files found? did you disable journald or something?
• 3019[18:51:00] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: When I run systemctl status mailcatcher I get Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
• 3020[18:51:19] <somiaj> shibly: I used an actual apckage name that I have installed. Again that command doesn't work like that on debian jessie, it gives the error I gave you. So what version of debian are you running?
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• 3022[18:51:37] <dury> jmcnaught, sure?
• 3023[18:51:40] <OneTonTomato> This is a clean install in a LXC container, I wonder what I've messed up
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• 3027[18:52:17] <shibly> somiaj, I think, the command is 'aptitude install gnome-terminal' this also updates the package
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• 3029[18:52:43] <dury> jmcnaught, see what's happen
• 3030[18:52:49] <jmcnaught> dury: in your Xorg.0.log file the errors are prefaced with "(EE)" which is only mentioned twice, search that paste/file for EE and you'll see the error. ATI/AMD cards need a firmware to do acceleration
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• 3032[18:53:15] <somiaj> shibly: install will install the current version available to apt, this will upgrade the package if there is a newer version available and the package is already installed (it will also switch the install flag from auto to manual if it was an auto isntalled package)
• 3033[18:53:17] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: ahh.. it's a container. is the host running systemd? are you sure the container is?
• 3034[18:53:20] <somiaj> shibly: this is not 'update'
• 3035[18:53:20] <jhutchins> shibly: Yes, that's correct. Update doesn't take arguments, it updates the repo lists.
• 3036[18:53:31] <dury> jmcnaught, all right
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• 3038[18:53:52] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Ah maybe that's it then. I'm on proxmox.
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• 3042[18:54:04] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Maybe I'll switch to a full VM
• 3043[18:54:14] <shibly> somiaj, aptitude install gnome-terminal should update the older gnome-terminal, but you have run aptitude update first
• 3044[18:54:26] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell OneTonTomato about proxmox
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• 3046[18:55:08] <somiaj> shibly: as I said, be careful about your vocabulary. 'update' does not mean install or upgrade. It only means update the database.
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• 3053[18:55:54] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Thanks for helping me understand what's going on. I think I'm going to switch to a full debian VM and I can probably get it working from there.
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• 3055[18:56:30] <shibly> somiaj, Yes, aptitude update only updates the repository
• 3056[18:56:35] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: as the message from dpkg says, we can't help you with Proxmox stuff related to the host, but I would take a look at the LXC template script provided by proxmox to see if it disables systemd in containers (which is not done by LXC on Debian)
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• 3060[18:57:59] <jhutchins> The "update" argument works to update packages on yum, afik it's never done that on apt/dpkg.
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• 3074[19:01:36] <biggwutt> toruvinn: is this the right tool for your suggestion about directory inode dumping? replaced-url
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• 3112[19:15:34] <fred1807> why 'apt-get install php5' comes with apache2 ? I just want to install php and not apache service
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• 3118[19:18:00] <jelly> fred1807: because the "php5" metapackage picks the first alternative out of several possible. Look at Depends in "apt-cache show php5" output and install, for example, php5-fpm if that's what you plan to use.
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• 3121[19:18:31] <fred1807> oh i see, now I understand, thank you
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• 3160[19:30:31] <jelly> ,v megatools
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• 3240[20:01:35] <SuperNull> my mind is drawing a complete blank .. what is that software that will watch log files (like sshd) and iptables firewall them based on too many failed attempts ?
• 3241[20:01:59] <toruvinn> SuperNull, fail2ban or sshguard?
• 3242[20:02:12] <SuperNull> fail2ban <3
• 3243[20:02:15] <SuperNull> ty man.
• 3244[20:02:17] <toruvinn> yw
• 3245[20:02:17] <SuperNull> forgot.
• 3246[20:02:20] <toruvinn> happens
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• 3261[20:08:00] <Kralizec> hi
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• 3266[20:09:28] <Kralizec> does anybody know why might it be that (in sid, so it's not like it's a complain or anything, just curious) xserver-xorg-core is messing with my init system, trying to take sysvinit away from me?
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• 3270[20:10:00] <Kralizec> or some way to trace the dependency chain that led to that
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• 3277[20:11:38] <Kralizec> ops, sorry, just saw the topic... off to the proper channel
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