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6[00:03:57] <jezebel> you'll probably need gksu if you
want to use mousepad
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7[00:04:22] <dvs> just say "gksu synaptic"
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8[00:04:27] <hiole24> i have gedit as well it both programs
wokr
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9[00:04:40] <uhtndd> brb trying some random online solution
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10[00:04:42] <jezebel> it's not the editor, it's more
the privileges
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11[00:04:49] <hiole24> oh ok
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14[00:05:32] <hiole24> c
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15[00:05:40] <jezebel> you can try nano i suppose but like i
said, you can mess up your system potentially
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16[00:05:53] <hiole24> nano works
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17[00:05:59] <hiole24> let do it this way
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18[00:06:03] <jezebel> exit out of that
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19[00:06:10] <hiole24> ok
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20[00:06:18] <jezebel> run > cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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21[00:06:31] <dvs> ???
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22[00:06:57] <jezebel> copy and paste that onto
replaced-url
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24[00:07:07] <hiole24> ok
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25[00:07:09] <hiole24> one moment
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27[00:07:31] <jezebel> dvs... i dont know wha the has in there,
i dont want to tell him to edit a line and he picks the wrong one or
whatever :)
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29[00:08:03] <dvs> pastbinit!
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30[00:08:27] <jezebel> safety first ;)
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31[00:09:09] <jezebel> did you cat /etc/apt/sources.list?
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33[00:09:22] <jezebel> shouldnt need root to read it
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34[00:09:45] <jezebel> if you're having trouble copying
and pasting you can open it up with mousepad
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35[00:09:56] <jezebel> mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
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36[00:10:14] <missmbob> tomcres: i was reading the logs and
...may i /msg you?
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37[00:10:27] <hiole24> it says permission denied
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38[00:10:33] <tomcres> Sure
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40[00:10:37] <hiole24> even after i wrote the su
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41[00:10:43] <redrabbit> check your privilages
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42[00:10:45] <jezebel> dont use su with gui apps
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43[00:11:12] <jezebel> redrabbit... sources.list should be 0644
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45[00:11:26] <hiole24> jezebel im gonna have to go :/
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46[00:11:32] <dvs> -rw-r--r--
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47[00:11:38] <jezebel> world readable
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48[00:11:38] <hiole24> i did not think this is gonna be so
difiucult
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49[00:11:46] <hiole24> for how long you gonna be here
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51[00:11:58] <jezebel> it's mainly your inexperience and i
dont wanna break your system ;)
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53[00:12:10] <hiole24> yeah i understand
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56[00:13:01] <jezebel> i'll be around for a couple more
hours
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57[00:13:16] <uhtdd> hi
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58[00:13:19] <hiole24> ok i will try to go on again
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59[00:13:29] <hiole24> thank you for the help
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60[00:13:31] <jezebel> is this your system?
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61[00:13:40] <hiole24> yes
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62[00:13:55] <hiole24> im installing this for someone
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63[00:14:03] <hiole24> but on a dell laptop
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71[00:15:58] <uhtdd> can anyone help me figure out why gdm
doesnt start on boot?
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72[00:16:15] <bazhang> for gnome?
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75[00:17:28] <abrotman> uhtdd: did you install gdm3?
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76[00:17:36] <abrotman> and "xorg" ?
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77[00:17:51] <uhtdd> yes I have gnome installed and everything
was working fine
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80[00:17:56] <abrotman> and then?
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83[00:18:27] <uhtdd> and then I tried to install awesome but
the option to start it didnt appear on the gdm login menu
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84[00:18:40] <abrotman> and then GDM3 magically stopped
working?
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85[00:18:49] <uhtdd> so I did service gmd restart
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86[00:18:49] <uhtdd> and yes
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89[00:19:01] <cudgel> question.. i'm coming from rpm-based
systems. is there an analogy to "yum groupinstall" and if
so, how do I list out the package groups? I'm trying to do the
equivalent of "yum groupinstall 'development
tools'"
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90[00:19:03] <uhtdd> it started blinking
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91[00:19:05] <uhtdd> I restarted the computer and no X
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92[00:19:06] <jezebel> what's in your ~/.xinitrc or
~/.xsession?
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93[00:19:15] <abrotman> cudgel: we have tasksel, but most
don't use it
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95[00:19:35] <abrotman> cudgel: aptitude install
build-essential
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96[00:19:39] <tomcres_> apt install buildessential
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97[00:19:44] <abrotman> cudgel: and if you want to see,
apt-cache show build-essential
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98[00:19:55] <uhtdd> jezebel: doesnt even show the login screen
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99[00:20:01] <tomcres_> Sorry, didn't get the hyphen in
there
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100[00:20:11] <cudgel> ok, perfect, thanks. how can i list out
the other... groups? what is build-essential here?
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101[00:20:15] <uhtdd> shouldnt I check /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
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102[00:20:16] <uhtdd> ?
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103[00:20:24] <abrotman> dpkg: tell cudgel about metapackage
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104[00:21:19] <cudgel> ok, makes sense. so is there a way to
tell a metapackage from a regular package? I guess I want a list of
metapackages
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105[00:21:38] <uhtdd> I dont have a .xinit or .xsession in ~
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106[00:21:50] <abrotman> cudgel: we have "debtags"
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107[00:22:25] <uhtdd> in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc the only
uncommented line is:
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108[00:22:33] <uhtdd> . /etc/X11/Xsession
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109[00:22:38] <abrotman> cudgel: debtags search
role::metapackage
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110[00:22:43] <jezebel> i.e. it calls Xsession,
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112[00:22:58] <jezebel> although i dont recall needing to modify
those
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113[00:23:15] <jezebel> do you have xinit installed?
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115[00:23:20] <uhtdd> it is very strange
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116[00:23:28] <abrotman> cudgel: there are tons of ways to find
packages that you need
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117[00:23:30] <geoid_> Hi I'm trying to start rabbitmq and
getting an error - unable to connect to epmd on arcsoftware: timeout
how do I debug this on debian
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118[00:24:04] <uhtdd> and periodically puts me back into the
messed up tty1, I need to ctrl+alt + f2 to go back to a working
terminal
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119[00:24:17] <uhtdd> alt+f2 sorry
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120[00:24:22] <cudgel> abrotman: indeed, i'm just trying to
jumpstart my understanding of the existing package system, wrap my
head around how its organized, etc.
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121[00:24:40] <cudgel> abrotman: I really appreciate the help
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122[00:24:44] <uhtdd> I do
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124[00:25:01] <uhtdd> server already running
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125[00:25:10] <jezebel> i'm guessing startx doesnt do
anything
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126[00:25:21] <geoid_> How can I debug a epmd (i.e. port 4369)
connection error?
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128[00:25:32] <uhtdd> it does it momentarily works
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129[00:25:40] <geoid_> Or in otherwords – where can I
see firewall logs on debian?
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130[00:25:46] <jezebel> define 'works'
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131[00:26:10] <uhtdd> shows the cursor and then starts spitting
out a lot of errors in both tty1 and tty2
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132[00:26:28] <uhtdd> and some nice psychedelic horizontal lines
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135[00:27:47] <jezebel> not a modeline thing is it? :[
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139[00:28:14] <uhtdd> and then: connection to X server lost
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144[00:28:52] <jezebel> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
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145[00:28:54] <uhtdd> in tty2, when I change to tty1 I only see
the frozen image of whatever tty I was in
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148[00:31:01] <uhtdd> jezebel: I dont see any error,
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149[00:31:24] <uhtdd> in the end it unloads modules and says
server terminated successfully
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150[00:31:32] <uhtdd> because I ran startx
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151[00:31:47] <uhtdd> and eventually xinit gave up
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154[00:32:44] <jezebel> Xorg.1.log?
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155[00:33:09] <uhtdd> do you know any command line utility to
upload it somewhere?
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156[00:33:21] <geoid_> How do I get a response on #debian?
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158[00:34:00] <abrotman> geoid_: you might have to wait a bit
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159[00:34:00] <geoid_> is there a secret handshake?
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160[00:34:03] <geoid_> :D
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161[00:34:06] <jezebel> geoid_... it depends on your program,
/var/log is the traditional location of log files
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162[00:34:07] <abrotman> !pastebinit
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163[00:34:08] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See
also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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164[00:34:11] <uhtdd> geoid_: ask and be patient, you may need
to wait / ask again but people are usually very helpful
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165[00:34:19] <abrotman> geoid_: is the port open? netstat
-plunt ?
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166[00:34:20] <jezebel> now there's systemd and journalctl
can be used to read its logs
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167[00:34:25] <uhtdd> perfect thks
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169[00:35:06] <geoid_> ok tx y'all I'm tailing all the
/var/log/* and not seeing anything appear.
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171[00:35:43] <geoid_> I think what may be going wrong is that
my hostname is pointing to the external facing IP address of the
server, rather than to 127.0.0.1? Does that sound right?
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174[00:36:19] <abrotman> geoid_: is the port listening?
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175[00:36:21] <uhtdd>
replaced-url
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178[00:36:37] <jezebel> if it's anything like a traditional
server, you should be binding to an interface's ip address
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179[00:36:38] <abrotman> geoid_: netstat -plunt, what does the
line say for the port you need?
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180[00:36:40] <uhtdd> thats Xorg.0.log?
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182[00:36:55] <uhtdd> oops you meant .1.log
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183[00:36:59] <jezebel> not your external ip address (if you use
a router)
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185[00:37:14] <jezebel> you cant bind to an address you dont
have an interface for
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186[00:37:34] <jezebel> (interface as in network interface)
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188[00:38:00] <geoid_> jezebel sorry, maybe wrong terminology
– it is an IP address assigned to this server – but
I can't ping that ip address from the server itself.
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189[00:38:02] <jezebel> the address you bind to is significant
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191[00:38:22] <jezebel> it determines which interface yu can
access it via
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193[00:39:07] <geoid_> so my hostname is bound to the address
assigned to eth0
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194[00:39:20] <geoid_> but if I do ping <hostname> it
times out
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195[00:39:39] <abrotman> geoid_: again ... is the port
listening?
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196[00:39:42] <geoid_> netstart tells me tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4369
0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2171/epmd
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197[00:39:43] <uhtdd> I think the log is too big jezebel should
I tail x lines?
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198[00:39:47] <geoid_> netstat even
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199[00:40:03] <abrotman> geoid_: can you "telnet hostname
port" ?
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200[00:40:25] <uhtdd> jezebel: Xorg.1.log:
replaced-url
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202[00:40:39] <geoid_> ... installing telnet ...
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203[00:40:40] <uhtdd> last 200 lines that is
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204[00:41:01] <abrotman> or use netcat
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206[00:41:56] <jezebel> ncat is nicer
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207[00:41:57] <uhtdd> even though maybe I should check them
before trying the startx command no?
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208[00:42:01] <jezebel> netcat too
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209[00:42:41] <jezebel> uhtdd... nothing stands out to me but
i'm not an Xorg expert
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210[00:42:46] <geoid_> abrotman I can't install anything at
the moment it seems, see console output here:
replaced-url
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212[00:43:09] <geoid_> this is part of the problem I'm
trying to resolve... rabbitmq just hangs. Seems like it's
"partially installed" :-0
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213[00:43:17] <uhtdd> so if i restart and check the logs
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214[00:43:33] <abrotman> it tells you which log to check
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215[00:43:45] <abrotman> geoid_: it tells you which log to check
for the error
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216[00:43:48] <uhtdd> weird
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217[00:44:05] <geoid_> abrotman the log says epmd error
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218[00:44:15] <jezebel> uhtdd... did you have it working
previously?
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219[00:44:22] <geoid_> ERROR: epmd error for host
"<hostname>": timeout (timed out establishing tcp
connection)
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220[00:44:35] <abrotman> geoid_: looks like telnet installed,
see if ti works
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221[00:44:37] <uhtdd> jezebel: perfectly fine, I used gnome on
this system for over an yeat
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222[00:44:40] <uhtdd> year
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223[00:44:48] <jezebel> upgrade the kernel recently?
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225[00:45:22] <uhtdd> no, I think I triggered it today
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226[00:45:22] <jezebel> geoid_... ip route
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227[00:45:36] <geoid_> ip tables you mean?
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229[00:45:56] <jezebel> no, routing table
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230[00:46:05] <jezebel> not firewall
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231[00:46:06] <uhtdd> by issuing service gdm restart command
after failing to get awesome WM as an option in the startup login
menu of gdm
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232[00:46:10] <abrotman> geoid_: telnet looks like it installed
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233[00:46:23] <geoid_> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host:
Connection timed out
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235[00:46:36] <geoid_> although it's not actually a remote
host
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236[00:46:54] <abrotman> doesn't matter, that's a
generic error message
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239[00:47:05] <abrotman> geoid_: but the hsotname resolves?
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240[00:47:07] <jezebel> if you're connecting to the
external ip address you'll need an external route
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241[00:47:15] <geoid_> jezebel if I type in "ip route"
it tells me a bunch of stuff – what am I looking for?
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242[00:47:23] <jezebel> default
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243[00:47:27] <uhtdd> when I run service gdm status it says:
'unable to kill session worker process', and then
'child process was already dead'
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244[00:47:43] <jezebel> sounds like a horror movie lol
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245[00:47:54] <jezebel> it's undead!
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248[00:48:06] <uhtdd> also those errors repeat every 20 secs
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251[00:48:29] <geoid_> jezebel default is not the same ip
address as what the hostname is mapped to, and it's actually
not one of the 8 "useable" ip addresses I was told about
by the ISP, it's one number lower than that range.
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253[00:48:54] <geoid_> abrotman the hostname resolves to the
external ip address which is mapped to eth0
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254[00:49:21] <jezebel> that's your router's ip
address
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255[00:49:45] <jezebel> is this a fresh set up?
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256[00:49:56] <jezebel> if so, can you reinstall rabbitmq?
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258[00:50:09] <geoid_> i did just re-install it a few minutes
ago
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261[00:50:27] <geoid_> I'm not sure what you mean by
"fresh setup"?
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262[00:50:43] <geoid_> the server has been running for a few
years but I'm trying to get RabbitMQ installed for the first
time.
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264[00:51:18] <uhtdd> I also tried apt --purge --reinstall
install gdm, nothing . in my processes I have gdm-session-worker,
gdm-wayland-session and gnome-session-binary
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267[00:51:27] <uhtdd> I think this may be it
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270[00:51:34] <jezebel> polkit :/
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271[00:51:44] <uhtdd> both wayland and binary processes have the
same arguments
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273[00:51:56] <jezebel> in that case you better find someone
more knowledgable, i'm not potentially breaking your set up!
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274[00:52:01] <uhtdd> --autostart
/usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart
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275[00:52:38] <geoid_> you're helping me to learn... not
hacking my server!
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280[00:54:11] <geoid_> what I don't understand is why on
other servers of mine if I ping the IP address assigned to eth0
interface, I get a reply but on this server I don't.
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285[00:54:37] <jezebel> look in /var/log/dpkg.log to see if you
can find out why dpkg failed
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290[00:55:43] <abrotman> jezebel: are you seriously not paying
attention?
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291[00:55:51] <jezebel> it's midnight :P
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292[00:55:55] <geoid_> I also don't understand why I'm
not seeing anything firewall related appear in any of the logs?
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293[00:56:06] <abrotman> jezebel: then stop pretending to help
people
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295[00:56:16] <jezebel> his install initially failed
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297[00:57:00] <jezebel> for all i know he's missing
pakcages or whatever, the log he pasted doesnt look like install was
complete, usually there's manpages to be updated and all that
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298[00:57:14] <abrotman> as above .. not helpful
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299[00:57:26] <bazhang> 'and all that'
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300[00:57:35] <uhtdd> is it ok if I ask again the same question
in a while? maybe someone knows the answer
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302[00:57:49] <abrotman> uhtdd: Of course
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305[00:58:20] <jezebel> i know it's not directly relevant,
i have asked him to look at routing, whatever, i'm going to bed
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308[00:58:43] <geoid_> I'm not sure I know what to look for
in dpkg log
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309[00:58:55] <abrotman> you'r enot looking there, you
won't find anything useful
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310[00:59:22] <abrotman> geoid_: do any other services work
using that hostname ? ssh? apache? anything?
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311[01:00:06] <jezebel> fyi this is what i was curious about
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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312[01:00:07] <geoid_> abrotman I'm not sure offhand.. I
mean my shell has it in the prompt, so presumably it's working
for ssh
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313[01:00:10] <jezebel> bye
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315[01:00:42] <hmuller> "sudo: unable to resolve
host", I have ipv6 only localhost in /etc/hosts, and hostname
only defined in /etc/hostname. If not using ipv4, I must have ipv4
entry in /etc/hosts?
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316[01:00:54] <abrotman> jezebel: NO SHIT .. the package filed
to isntall for the sam ereasons that geoid_ has mentioned ten times
now, it's unable to contact the daemon. Have you really not
been paying attention?
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324[01:04:12] <geoid_> I can telnet 127.0.0.1 4369
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325[01:04:15] <geoid_> that works
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327[01:05:13] <geoid_> I can also telnet in on the same port on
the ip address assigned to the hostname
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328[01:05:21] <geoid_> but I can't telnet into that port
using the hostname
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330[01:06:25] <_0xbadc0de> hello
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331[01:06:33] <_0xbadc0de> my Kali comes with a network manager
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332[01:06:40] <_0xbadc0de> that constantly destroys my
connections
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333[01:06:45] <_0xbadc0de> how can I get rid of it?
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334[01:06:52] <_0xbadc0de> or at least disable it completely
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344[01:11:23] <tomcres> !kali
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345[01:11:23] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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347[01:11:36] <n4dir> usually the init system handles it,
_0xbadc0de. No idea if Kali uses sysv or already systemd (if the
former install sysv-rc-conf to disable it, if the latter, look at
wiki.debian.org)
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349[01:13:38] <uhtdd> can anyone help? X and gnome stopped to
start at boot, never had problems but today I tried to install
awesome WM and, upon failing to make it appear as an option in the
gdm login screen, I restarted gdm (service gdm restart), the screen
started blinking and froze, and now I cant access the graphical
environment.
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356[01:16:53] <geoid_> how do I tell aptitude to install with
dependencies?
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358[01:17:43] <tomcres> Aptitude installs dependencies by
default
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363[01:20:00] <geoid_> tomcres and when it refuses to?
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364[01:20:33] <geoid_> e.g. "rabbitmq-server : Depends:
erlang-nox (>= 1:16.b.3) but it is not going to be
installed."
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365[01:20:44] <tomcres> I don't know of any circumstance
where it doesn't unless you --force-no-deps
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367[01:21:08] <geoid_> well on my server the circumstance is
simply: "aptitude install rabbitmq-server"
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370[01:21:38] <tomcres> Do you have any packages held or sources
pinned?
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371[01:21:52] <geoid_> I don't know what that means
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377[01:24:23] <tomcres> Can you pastebin the output of apt-cache
policy?
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379[01:25:06] <abrotman> geoid_: can you telnet to your IP on
that port?
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380[01:25:15] <geoid_> apparently I just need to not accept the
solution of not installing the dependencies – wow...
aptitude has a confusing ui.
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381[01:25:38] <geoid_> abrotman yes
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383[01:26:05] <abrotman> geoid_: so, it's not a routing
problem it would seem. is your IP/hostname in your /etc/hosts ?
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387[01:26:40] <geoid_> tomcres
replaced-url
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388[01:26:55] <geoid_> abrotman yes
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392[01:28:24] <tomcres> You're mixing testing from
rabbitmq's repository with wheezy. That's probably why it
can't find rabbitmq's dependencies.
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397[01:30:07] <geoid_> no it found them, it's just that I
didn't understand the aptitude ui... basically when it
discovered there were dependencies it first said "dependencies
found, not going to install them, do you accept this solution"
and I kept saying "yes". The trick was to say
"no", then it says "ok I'll install the
dependencies then".
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401[01:30:49] <geoid_> I'd previously been using apt-get to
install rabbitmq-server... I thought I'd give aptitude a go
instead but the results were ultimately the same.
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403[01:33:38] <abrotman> geoid_: all sorted out, or not yet?
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405[01:34:48] <geoid_> abrotman nope.. no change
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409[01:36:04] <abrotman> geoid_: you might be able to debug the
init script to see why it can't seem to connect
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410[01:36:23] <geoid_> abrotman yes?
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417[01:38:22] <abrotman> geoid_: can you replicate the same
error by trying to start rabbitmq from the initscript?
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418[01:40:08] <geoid_> well.. abrotman I'm not sure how to
do that. If I look in /etc/init.d there's a rabbitmq-server bin
in there.. if I run that with the "start" parameter then
yes I get the same error.
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419[01:42:05] <abrotman> geoid_: can you look for the command it
uses, and try to use strace to see where it goes weird?
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421[01:43:40] <geoid_> abrotman that's a bit of a stretch
for my linux skills
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423[01:44:06] <geoid_> I know how to vi a shell script and I can
more or less read one but strace is new to me
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426[01:45:19] <geoid_> ... installing strace ...
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433[01:50:31] <geoid_> abrotman strace output here:
replaced-url
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434[01:50:45] <geoid_> I have little understanding of the output
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438[01:56:15] <geoid_> This system had it's hostname
changed at some point... not sure if that's a factor.
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439[01:57:12] <geoid_> Also seeing in the /var/logs/rabbitmq
folder there are logs for rabbit@old-hostname, then there are logs
for rabbit@(none) but no logs for rabbit@new-hostname
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441[01:57:47] <geoid_> So I'm wondering if the change of
hostname was perhaps not done correctly.
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444[01:58:19] <geoid_> should the hostname also resolve to
127.0.0.1?
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445[01:58:33] <geoid_> or should it only resolve to the ip
address assigned to eth0?
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504[02:23:12] <phorce1_home> only casualty of upgrade to stretch
so far appears to be claws-mail ... and I really didn't expect
that one to play nice because I've been copying configs from
work to this home machine to keep the two in synch (sorting filters
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506[02:24:18] <geoid_> abrotman omg I just noticed that the
/etc/hosts file is mapping that host incorrectly. I'm dislexic
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524[02:31:54] <geoid_> abrotman sorted – thx for all your
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575[03:02:57] <Vantouras> dont worry i am not here for you guys
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576[03:03:08] <Vantouras> tonight i am looking for something
new\
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584[03:05:40] <dvs> ???
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609[03:19:59] <Nerdmind> Hi. Was the mysql-server replaced with
mariadb-server on Debian Stretch? o.O
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611[03:21:04] <dvs> ,v mysql-server
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612[03:21:05] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.54-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1;
jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1;
sid: 5.7.17-1
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613[03:21:19] <dvs> guess so
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616[03:21:28] <dvs> it's still in backports though.
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618[03:21:53] <Nerdmind> Oh, yes. I just read this post:
replaced-url
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622[03:24:50] <Nerdmind> ,v apache2
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623[03:24:51] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7;
jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7;
stretch: 2.4.25-3; sid: 2.4.25-3
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664[03:50:30] <VentGrey> Hello debian IRC users, can i get
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665[03:51:09] <dvs> !ask
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666[03:51:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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enough entropy to run ssh-keygen or set up host keys, especially
when the installation is done offline and unattended by the user?
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771[05:42:20] <AndChat336756> Okay attempting to install over
net with firmware plus non free iso and network autoconfiguration
failed
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772[05:42:38] <AndChat336756> What can I do to fix this
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773[05:42:46] <AndChat336756> Or at least move around it
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775[05:43:57] <Fjdjnf> Hi
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776[05:44:08] <Fjdjnf> Can I please get some help
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781[05:48:09] <holycow> hi all
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784[05:48:40] <holycow> i have a sata drive that keeps on
becoming inaccessible after a few days of use. it passes all smart
tests, can be mounted after being pulled, and so forth.
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786[05:49:09] <holycow> before i can rebuild the box, i need to
figure out a way to poll "if the drive is accessible" and
send me a notification.
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789[05:49:29] <holycow> i've been googling a bit, but i
cannot really figure out a way that can reliably tell me if a drive
is accessible or not
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790[05:50:05] <holycow> typically, when the drive becomes
inaccessible, ls, du, df and various other standard tools simply
don't respond at all ... forever actually until the kernel
decided to kill the process or whatever.
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791[05:50:25] <holycow> anyone have any ideas on a test i can
cron up to keep an eye on the drive?
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793[05:51:55] <ryouma> you could just touch a file on the drive
and run timeout and display the file
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794[05:52:02] <ryouma> kinda obvious though
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795[05:52:17] <holycow> aha! indeed it is.
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796[05:52:31] <holycow> thank you.
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798[05:52:45] <ryouma> great
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803[05:53:43] <ryouma> i just did something quite similar. my
bus-powered external drive is possibly having power issues.
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804[05:54:02] <ryouma> after not having them
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805[05:54:04] <holycow> sometimes i just miss the bloody obvious
solution. touch is perfect.
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807[05:55:34] <Horizon_Brave> Greetings folks
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808[05:55:38] <Rusty1_> if the drive has a partition that is
supposed to mount via fstab
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812[05:58:54] <Horizon_Brave> small, probably easily answered
question...since stable is "frozen" now...what happens if
one of it's bundled packages has not a major life threatening
bug...but still something pretty glaring... The patch for it will go
into testing release only? Is it encouraged for someone to download
the patched version anyhow?
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814[06:00:07] <ryouma> .there's a page with all the rules,
but i didn't make head or tails of it
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815[06:00:46] <ryouma> but the release coordinator, or whatever
the title is, can bend the rules
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819[06:02:46] <Horizon_Brave> I see...so it's probably more
on a case by case basis... Cause I know updates to packages that a
released post freeze for stable, can be downloaded via backports..
but that seems to have some...negative connotations to them
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821[06:05:25] <awal1>
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822[06:05:49] <awal1> Horizon_Brave, ^ may clear a bit your
doubts
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825[06:07:32] <Horizon_Brave> awal1: thanks mate :)
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836[06:11:17] <Horizon_Brave> lol...the process sounds so
official..like real beauarcracy. I wonder what the Debian "home
office" looks like..if they even rent out an office..
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840[06:12:19] <Horizon_Brave> I can't imagine a distro as
big as Debian being entirely run from a staff that works 100% from
their own homes, and coffee shops...
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844[06:17:17] <sandman13> "what happens if one of it's
bundled packages has not a major life threatening bug...but still
something pretty glaring" That package will be provided with
patch?
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845[06:17:41] <sandman13> It's just a matter of update and
upgrade
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846[06:17:58] <sandman13> Horizon_Brave: ^
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871[06:40:16] <mike5w3c> for the last couple weeks now on my
Debian system I’ve started getting a lot of “GnuPG
cryptographic agent” messages from systemd getting logged to
syslog and daemon.log
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on GnuPG network certificate management daemon”
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877[06:42:08] <mike5w3c> then ~2 seconds later,
“systemd[26030]: Closed GnuPG network certificate management
daemon”
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878[06:42:38] <mike5w3c> this is after the package got upgraded
to v2.18 I think
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945[07:46:49] <nguyenphi> I need to locate wpa_supplicant
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946[07:46:59] <nguyenphi> Where I can find it in debian?
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959[08:05:55] <xff> nguyenphi: try `apt-file search
wpa_supplicant`. It found /sbin/wpa_supplicant in package
wpasupplicant
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996[08:34:04] <dgriffi> whee! I found a bug in the Stretch
installer
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998[08:36:12] <ozzyOS> wasnt it a worm?
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999[08:37:25] <ozzyOS> how much are they paying you dgriffi?
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1003[08:38:19] <dgriffi> No. It's
replaced-url
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1007[08:38:47] <placko> Hi, I am using QEMU to try Debian/Sid.
After several agpt-get dist-upgrade the HD image on host system is
22G big while in virtual machie used disk space is 8G. How can I
reduce size of image on host system?
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1008[08:38:47] <dgriffi> can't make a writable USB installer
thumb drive
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1021[08:42:56] <ozzyOS> Whats the output of apt-cache stats ?
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1025[08:43:44] <nguyenphi> I had some troubling with wifi
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1027[08:43:53] <nguyenphi> After setting up wpsupplicant
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1028[08:44:03] <nguyenphi> Type: ifup wlan0
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1030[08:44:15] <nguyenphi> But it said ifup command not found
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1032[08:44:18] <nguyenphi> What will i do?
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1036[08:45:04] <ozzyOS> ask #systemd maybe?
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1038[08:45:26] <nguyenphi> How to ask?
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1039[08:45:34] <ozzyOS> placko: sudo apt-get clean
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1042[08:47:18] <placko> i did apt-get clean before. It reduce
usage of disk space in virtual machine. But the immage in host
system does not reduce.
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1049[08:50:43] <lord_rob> nguyenphi: did you install ifupdown?
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1050[08:51:51] <lord_rob> the command ifup is in this package
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1053[08:52:47] <lord_rob> actually you should install apt-file to
know which file is in which package nguyenphi
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1055[08:53:23] <nguyenphi> lord_rob: thank you
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1056[08:53:46] <nguyenphi> What is good to manage wifi connection
on windows manager guys?
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1057[08:54:44] <lord_rob> /j ##windows
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1058[08:55:31] <placko> I just finished apt-get update; apt-get
dist-upgrade; apt-get clean. In virtual machine df -h /dev/sda1 uses
7.8G. On host system it is 24G. I would like to reduce size of HD
image on host system.
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1059[08:55:33] <nguyenphi> lord_rob: i mean Windows Manager like
i3wm, awesome
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1061[08:56:43] <lord_rob> ah, so why don't you try
network-manager ?
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1063[08:57:39] <lord_rob> but then your config with ifdown and
/etc/networking/interfaces will have to be redone completely
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1068[08:58:23] <ozzyOS> sounds like fun
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1070[08:58:26] <lord_rob> kde has a great interface for
network-manager, so does gnome
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1073[08:59:26] <ozzyOS> does it handle firewall?
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1074[09:00:58] <lord_rob> I don't know actually, I'm
behind a router/firewall so I don't care that much
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1076[09:02:07] <nguyenphi> lord_rob: the bash say ifupdown is
already newest version
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1080[09:04:12] <lord_rob> did you run the command as root (sounds
stupid but sometimes you make stupid things ^^)
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1088[09:06:00] <nguyenphi> lord_rob: ya my stupid
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1101[09:12:39] <lord_rob> ozzyOS: seems it doesn't handle
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1117[09:28:00] <yink> i'm trying to get fail2ban for my
server to work. i set up iptables and local.conf. i have the service
running and active. but it's not reporting login attempts or
banning any ips. the only thing that works is sendmail when the
service starts and stops
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1159[09:54:57] <kingsley> Breaking News: Bill Gates has agreed to
pay for Trump's wall...
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1160[09:55:09] <kingsley> On the condition he gets to install
windows.
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1164[09:56:15] <viktor3rd> is this a tech support channel for
debian?
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1203[10:13:04] <jvdmr> Hi, last weekend I ran apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade, and now I've got an apache2 version
which does not seem to like debian
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1204[10:14:21] <jvdmr> specifically, using apache2ctl does not
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systemd lose track of the process
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1210[10:16:44] <jvdmr> does anyone have any idea what went wrong
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1230[10:27:11] <Silvering> Hi everyone! I'm running on
Debian 8. I need to install mysqlclient to run a django app. However
I always receive "EnvironmentError: mysql_config not
found". I'm running on Python 2. Any idea ?
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1237[10:32:50] <kedare> Silvering : You need to install mysql (or
libmysql), it's a dependency to compile the Python MySQL client
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1239[10:33:04] <kedare> (At least the client part of MySQL, not
the server)
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1242[10:34:00] <babilen> judd: v python-mysqldb
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1243[10:34:01] <judd> Package: python-mysqldb on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.3-2; jessie: 1.2.3-2.1; jessie-backports: 1.3.7-1~bpo8+1; sid:
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1244[10:34:07] <babilen> Silvering: ^
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1247[10:35:10] <Silvering> babilen judd : python-mysqldb is
already the newest version.
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1249[10:36:02] <babilen> So you have the mysqlclient Python
module installed
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1251[10:36:13] <Silvering> dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql
returns :
replaced-url
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1254[10:36:41] <babilen> It might, just in case, be helpful to
know what you have been doing and which command might have triggered
the (partial) error you quoted above. Use
replaced-url
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1257[10:37:39] <Silvering>
replaced-url
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1260[10:38:25] <Silvering> pip install mysqlclient returns :
replaced-url
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1261[10:39:31] <babilen> Why would you run "pip install
mysqlclient" ? You already have python-mysqldb installed.
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1269[10:42:48] <Silvering> babilen :
django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading MySQLdb
module: No module named MySQLdb
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1275[10:43:49] <Silvering> babilen : It's a django issue but
the issue is the same MySQLdb package
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1283[10:46:04] <biv> hello
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1285[10:46:30] <babilen> Silvering: What does 'python -c
"import MySQLdb"' give you?
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1292[10:48:01] <Silvering> babilen : No module named MySQLdb
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1297[10:49:58] <babilen> Silvering: Please show me the output of
"apt-cache policy python-mysqldb", "dpkg -L
python-mysqldb" and 'python -c "import
MySQLdb"' on
replaced-url
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1298[10:50:05] <themill> Silvering: what's the output of
«which python» and «python -c"import sys;
print sys.path"»
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1299[10:50:21] <babilen> yeah, include ^^^
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1300[10:50:34] <themill> tag team!
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1307[10:52:25] <Silvering> babilen : Ohh... I just realize
something. This error appears only on vitualenv ...
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1308[10:52:32] <themill> bingo
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1309[10:53:04] <babilen> ta-da!
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1311[10:53:51] <Silvering> -_-
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1316[10:54:48] <themill> babilen: I think we're happier
about the outcome than Silvering ;)
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1319[10:55:33] <Silvering> lol yes I think so
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1321[10:56:27] <babilen> Silvering: Well, either install
necessary dependencies in your virtualenv or configure it to be able
to access system modules
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1323[10:56:44] <babilen> Or abandon your plan to run this django
app, go home, take a bath and relax
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1326[10:57:48] <Silvering> babilen: second solution
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1328[10:59:39] <Silvering> babilen : I followed all this tuto :
replaced-url
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1336[11:03:16] <Posterdati> hi
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1342[11:04:11] <Posterdati> please I'm trying to make acer
aspire es15 wifi working with debian 8.6, following that ->
replaced-url
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1343[11:04:38] <Posterdati> but dmesg reported ath10k_thermal...
unknown symbol!
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1382[11:23:09] <rapha> hi!
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1384[11:23:33] <rapha> is there a way to still get wine 1.6 in
debian unstable? perhaps through a third party repository, etc?
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1388[11:23:45] <rapha> (preferably installable alongside 1.8 and
2.0)
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1390[11:24:22] <bezaban> ,v wine
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1391[11:24:23] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4;
jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.6-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.6-5;
stretch: 1.8.6-5
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1393[11:24:55] <bezaban> not packaged from the looks of it, but
you can always download a binary tarball or source (but don't
install it to /)
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1394[11:24:57] <rapha> bezaban: can't easily install the
jessie packages as they are not namespaced
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1395[11:25:19] <rapha> hmm ... and install into /opt to keep
around. that sounds like a reasonable idea.
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1398[11:26:28] <bezaban> aye, it will work assuming you
don't get dragged down some dependency trail
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1413[11:34:05] <rapha> bezaban: my -unstable install is the most
crooked thing in existence in this universe, but there is almost no
dependency it can't fulfill :) (every couple of months i think
about reinstalling ... then i remember that i couldn't remember
all the things installed here ... somehow ... and forget about
reinstalling immediately)
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1417[11:35:35] <TRuAGE98> Notice this.
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1418[11:35:53] <smojphace> This notice?
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1419[11:35:54] <TRuAGE98> This is the lynch pin to all the
Jews’ schemes. If the Holocaust was ever exposed on a broad
scale, the Jews would be finished, and they know that, hence all the
“denial” laws.
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1421[11:36:34] <squigz> hahahahahahaahahahahaa what
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1422[11:36:57] <doubledutch> I think he meant /s/ever/never
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1423[11:37:04] <doubledutch> But simultaneously, I think he meant
nothing
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1424[11:37:14] <squigz> Do people actually believe the Holocaust
never happened?
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1426[11:38:41] <jelly> repeat a lie enough times...
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1429[11:39:30] <squigz> What?
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1432[11:39:58] <jelly> it becomes a topic for #debian-offtopic
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1434[11:40:10] <squigz> :)
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1470[11:59:36] <contrapunctus> o/
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1474[12:01:02] <contrapunctus> I need to install network-manager
on a system without network access - is there any way that's
less painful than manually getting the package and its dependencies
from packages.debian.org ?
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1475[12:01:32] <babilen> dpkg: apt-zip
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1476[12:01:32] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt
and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs
in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>
<apt-walkabout>.
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1481[12:01:50] <babilen> Ah, no .. not that one
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1488[12:04:08] <babilen> dpkg: apt-offline
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1489[12:04:08] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't
have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does
have a network connection), read
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1490[12:04:13] <babilen> judd: v apt-offline
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1491[12:04:14] <judd> Package: apt-offline on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2; jessie: 1.5.1; jessie-backports: 1.7~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.2;
sid: 1.7.2
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1492[12:04:17] <babilen> contrapunctus: ^
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1494[12:05:15] <dragoonis> Hey! I'm trying to get
libapache2-mod-fcgi to be available on Wheezy. I'm not having
much success
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1495[12:05:39] <dragoonis> As per the sources.list entries on
this page, I still get package not found
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1496[12:05:41] <dragoonis>
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1497[12:06:52] <contrapunctus> babilen: thanks!
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1505[12:11:04] <PaowZ__> hi there ! just trying to install Jessie
and Debian installer won't accept the mirror I chose.. it keeps
saying (on error console) "apt-install or in-target is already
running so you cannot run either of them again until blablabl..
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1506[12:11:09] <PaowZ__> any clue?
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1519[12:21:50] <l0llip0p> !ping
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1520[12:21:50] <dpkg> pong
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1523[12:23:39] <jim> what's multipath support?
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1525[12:24:07] <moondeck> Hi
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1526[12:24:08] <jim> (in an expert install within a kvm guest)
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1527[12:24:13] <jim> hi
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1528[12:24:49] <moondeck> So, i am running stretch AKA debian 9,
after updating WIFI doesnt work, i've even changed the wireless
adapters (from intel to atheros) but the problem still persists
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1529[12:24:54] <moondeck> wired works fine
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1530[12:24:59] <moondeck> i am running a thinkpad W500
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1533[12:26:16] <jim> could you run... lspci -nn | grep -i net |
nc termbin.com 9999
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1534[12:26:29] <moondeck> jim on what, wireless?
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1535[12:26:32] <moondeck> it doesnt connect
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1536[12:26:34] <jim> either
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1537[12:26:50] <moondeck> no route to host
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1538[12:26:51] <jim> didn't you say you have wired going?
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1539[12:26:56] <moondeck> yeah jim
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1541[12:27:00] <moondeck> wait
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1542[12:27:03] <moondeck> forgot one 9
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1543[12:27:18] <jim> no route to host might mean no gateway
setting
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1544[12:27:19] <moondeck>
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1545[12:27:22] <moondeck> works
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1546[12:27:31] <moondeck> as i've said, i forgot one 9 at
the end
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1547[12:28:25] <jim> ,pciid [168c:1014]
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1548[12:28:26] <judd> [168c:1014] is '58a ThinkPad 11a/b/g
Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5BXB6)' from
'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath5k' in
jessie. See also
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1550[12:29:39] <jim> ok.. try this... ifconfig -a | nc
termbin.com 9999
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1552[12:30:15] <jim> (btw, here's the blerb on termbin...
you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running
"anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include
error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc
termbin.com 9999", you might find it handy later)
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1553[12:31:55] <mike5w3c> for the last couple weeks now on my
Debian system I’ve started getting a lot of “GnuPG
cryptographic agent” messages from systemd getting logged to
syslog and daemon.log
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1555[12:32:00] <mike5w3c> e.g., “systemd[26030]: Listening
on GnuPG network certificate management daemon”
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1556[12:32:07] <mike5w3c> then ~2 seconds later,
“systemd[26030]: Closed GnuPG network certificate management
daemon”
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1558[12:32:12] <mike5w3c> this is after the package got upgraded
to v2.18 I think
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1559[12:32:25] <mike5w3c> wondering how I can suppress
that…
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1565[12:34:45] <moondeck-thinkpa> sorry, accidentally turned my
firewall off
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1566[12:34:48] <moondeck-thinkpa>
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1567[12:34:50] <moondeck-thinkpa> here
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1569[12:35:22] <moondeck_> the termbin thing is really neat
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1585[12:49:39] <dragoonis> Good morning! I'm trying to
install stuff on apt-get on Jessie and get the following error
output - can someone help?
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1586[12:51:17] <Night_Elf> dragoonis: First thing I do if
something similar happens, is to run "apt-get update ; apt-get
install -f"
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1587[12:51:27] <Night_Elf> And see if the situation improves.
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1589[12:51:44] <dragoonis> I'm running update
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1590[12:51:55] <dragoonis> line 4
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1591[12:53:10] <dragoonis> I've added apt-get install -f
line after the update line
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1594[12:54:20] <Night_Elf> dragoonis: you could try to run the -f
line command (--fix-broken) on it's own from the command line.
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1595[12:54:32] <dragoonis> I did
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1596[12:54:46] <dragoonis> apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
apt-get install php5... etc
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1597[12:54:58] <dragoonis> I just tested it.. no change
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1600[12:55:14] <rocket__> hi
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1601[12:55:18] <Brigo> dragoonis, what are you trying to achieve
using snapshot?
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1602[12:55:26] <rocket__> is it possible to add a sftp account
with no shell acess?
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1603[12:55:30] <rocket__> access
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1604[12:55:43] <dragoonis> Brigo, I need to install PHP5.3 -
which is why I have the snapshot.
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1607[12:56:06] <rocket__> or does sftp need a shell?
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1609[12:56:20] <Night_Elf> rocket__: I think you could do that by
having the shell field in /etc/passwd set to "/bin/true"
instead of "/bin/bash"
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1611[12:56:44] <rocket__> but not /bin/false ?
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1612[12:57:03] <Brigo> dragoonis, php is in version 5.4 even in
wheezy
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1613[12:57:29] <Night_Elf> rocket__: I think the difference
between them is the exit code they return to the os after they
terminate. You could try both though.
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1614[12:57:41] <Brigo> dragoonis, i meant is too old a package
for intalling in nowadays sid.
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1615[12:57:45] <Night_Elf> And of course they have to appear
inside /etc/shells
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1616[12:58:18] <dragoonis> Brigo, I've had significant
issues getting relevant apache module in Wheezy. The module is:
"libapache2-mod-fcgi"
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1619[12:59:14] <Brigo> dragoonis, are you using wheezy? then why
that unestable in the source.lst?
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1621[12:59:38] <Brigo> v libapache2-mod-fcgid
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1622[12:59:40] <Brigo> !v libapache2-mod-fcgid
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1623[12:59:47] <dragoonis> ,v
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1624[12:59:48] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch
<amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available
versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for
the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched
by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the
packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
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1625[12:59:52] <Brigo> ,v libapache2-mod-fcgid
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1626[12:59:53] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-fcgid on amd64 --
wheezy: 1:2.3.6-1.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.3.6-1.2+deb7u1;
sid: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; jessie: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.3.9-1+b1
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1627[12:59:55] <Brigo> that is :)
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1628[13:00:08] <rocket__> ah
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1629[13:00:12] <Brigo> you shouldn't.
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1630[13:00:16] <rocket__> there is a shell for debian
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1631[13:00:17] <rocket__> rssh
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1632[13:00:33] <dragoonis> Brigo, when I install that
libapache2-mod-fcgid, then with enabling that module using
"a2enmod" it says the module does not exist.
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1633[13:00:44] <dragoonis> a2enmod fcgi, or a2enmod fcgid
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1635[13:01:00] <dragoonis> tried mod_fcgi and mod_fcgid too
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1636[13:01:05] <jelly> rocket__: if you only need sftp, not scp,
/bin/false will be ok
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1637[13:01:06] <dragoonis> "Module does not exist"
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1638[13:01:06] <Brigo> dragoonis, that would be a very odd bug.
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1639[13:01:39] <themill> dragoonis: can you pastebin "dpkg
-L libapache2-mod-fcgid" for us?
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1640[13:01:51] <dragoonis> themill, for the Wheezy situation?
sure
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1642[13:02:19] <Brigo> dragoonis, next time check the doc in
/usr/share/doc/<package-name> first
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1644[13:02:28] <rocket__> jelly thanks
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1645[13:02:30] <rocket__> yes
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1646[13:02:38] <rocket__> only for our ppl to upload files
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1647[13:02:53] <rocket__> rssh seems to have security issues
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1649[13:03:10] <rocket__> i have a 2 way auth but for this
account with no shell i will only use a password
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1650[13:03:17] <rocket__> containing 10 digits or so
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1651[13:03:24] <jelly> rocket__: if you put them in a separate
group, you can set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config to use chroot for those
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1653[13:03:39] <rocket__> or 20 digits better
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1654[13:04:02] <rocket__> yes i will put them in a seperate group
in sshd
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1655[13:04:07] <Night_Elf> rocket__: for restricted shells I have
used "lshell" in the past. I can't say much about any
security implication using it though. It seemed to be ok.
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1656[13:04:57] <dragoonis> Brigo, check it for what specifically?
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1658[13:05:19] <Brigo> dragoonis, instructions on how to use it,
for example, or issues or whatever.
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1660[13:05:41] <dragoonis> themill, are you asking me to run
this, based on my Gist (Jessie) or based on my issues with Wheezy
(module not found)
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1663[13:07:10] <Brigo> dragoonis, you have an issue with
libapache2-mod-fcgid in wheezy, we would want to know it contents
with dpkg -L libapache2-mod-fcgid
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1664[13:07:28] <dragoonis> Understood. Thanks. I am getting this
for you now.
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1665[13:07:38] <themill> There's no point in looking at this
if you've got broken packages. It needs to be self-consistent
to start with
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1671[13:08:35] <rocket__> jelly, if i use chroot only - is that
secure?
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1673[13:08:50] <rocket__> i have read chroot can be broken
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1674[13:08:56] <dragoonis> Strangely enough - I'm getting
"Module fcgid already enabled" now
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1675[13:09:03] <jelly> rocket__: it's maybe a tiny bit more
secure than without it
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1677[13:09:23] <dragoonis> So if that's unblocking me on
Wheezy, then I need to see how to install php-fpm and php5 and
php-cli, but targeting the PHP 5.3 version, and not the default 5.4
version.
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1680[13:09:54] <rocket__> ok i see
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1681[13:10:09] <jelly> rocket__: it's mostly useful to stop
a typical user from browsing the whole filesystem. It may not be
useful against a dedicated attacker
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1683[13:10:38] <dragoonis> I found this page to specify the 5.3
downgrade, but the page is for Jessie not for Wheezy -
replaced-url
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1684[13:10:55] <themill> dragoonis: fixing the crappy php that
needs a specific version of the interpreter is probably a better
solution
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1686[13:11:21] <dragoonis> I agree 100% with you. but the
customer cannot do that.
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1688[13:11:40] <themill> It's not particularly sustainable
to have to chase specific versions like that. The customer
can't afford your time to do security support.
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1690[13:12:01] <rocket__> jelly, yes i understand well i hope no
attacker will get into the system with a 20dig pass usually i also
use keypairs as well
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1691[13:12:03] <themill> (and you can't afford to not charge
them for your time or to leave it vulnerable)
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1692[13:12:07] <rocket__> but well some user dont get that i
guess
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1695[13:12:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1696[13:13:39] <dragoonis> themill, you're preaching to the
choir :D They're using Magento, which is stuck on 5.3 ..
customer needs to rebuild their platform for Magento2 to break this,
and they can't afford such a big refactor at present.
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1697[13:13:51] <dragoonis> So this is why they're stuck on
5.3 right now.
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1698[13:14:10] <themill> Make sure they are paying you $$$$$ for
being so painful.
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1699[13:14:30] <dgriffi> is anyone going over the installer for
Stretch?
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1700[13:14:34] <dragoonis> Yea. I'm trying! I've been
trying to get a working box for them for 2 days now. So painful!
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1701[13:15:11] <dragoonis> Can you help me target a specific
version for the "php5-fpm" and "php5" packages
on Wheezy?
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1705[13:17:14] <jelly> dragoonis: sure, as long as it's
5.4.45 specifically
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1710[13:18:21] <jelly> dragoonis: now, don't tell anyone
else, but if you're really desperate and have a system isolated
from the internet, you can install php5* from squeeze on an
otherwise wheezy system.
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1711[13:20:09] <dragoonis> jelly, we're talking 5.3.x here
:)
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1718[13:24:26] <rapha> how does apt/dpkg (?) decide what packages
to hold back upon "apt upgrade"?
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1719[13:25:10] <nkuttler> !tell rapha about held back
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1722[13:28:15] <rocket__> does it make a difference where i place
the match group in sshd?
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1729[13:32:18] <hmuller> does ipv4's 127.0.1.1 address have
an equivalent in ipv6?
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1731[13:32:37] <Dagger> v6 localhost is ::1
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1738[13:33:27] <Dagger> if you need extra addresses you'll
have to pick a ULA address and assign it to lo, or just use one of
the other addresses on the system
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1743[13:42:16] <dragoonis> jelly, i found this page - that talks
about squeeze and wildcard stuff - is this the kind of technique you
were referring to ?
replaced-url
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1757[13:52:57] <dragoonis> Hello! I have a custom preferences
file in preferences.d for Wheezy. I've added php5.3 wildcards
here, but they're not taking effect and installing the default
php 5.4 instead .. please see this gist -
replaced-url
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1766[13:54:09] <rapha> nkuttler: thank you!
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1777[13:57:30] <CrazyTux> hello, can jscoder still be found on
this channel?
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1780[13:57:53] <tomcres> !seen jscoder
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1781[13:57:53] <dpkg> jscoder <~user@unaffiliated/jscoder>
was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 19h 45m 55s ago, saying:
'touche'.
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1784[13:58:37] <CrazyTux> ok. Thanks a lot.
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1788[14:01:26] <dragoonis> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
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1789[14:01:26] <dragoonis> php5-fpm : Depends: php5-common (=
5.4.45-0+deb7u7) but 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29 is to be installed
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1790[14:01:46] <dragoonis> my preferences.d says
"php5*" is to be version 5.3 .. but then this happens? ^
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1795[14:02:52] <dragoonis> Can someone explain to me why this is
happening ?
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1800[14:07:23] <jelly> dragoonis: php5* looks like invalid syntax
for a preferences file.
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1801[14:07:43] <dragoonis> jelly, what should be the correct
syntax then ?
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1802[14:07:54] <linux999> Are ffmpeg and php7 available in
jessie?
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1803[14:08:03] <dragoonis> I can confirm that it has taken effect
-
replaced-url
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1804[14:08:20] <jelly> dragoonis: I don't remember, sorry,
enumerate each package name you need?
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1805[14:08:41] <dragoonis> enumerate? you mean specify it
explicitly ?
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1806[14:08:44] <jelly> yes
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1807[14:09:01] <tomcres> ,v php7
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1808[14:09:02] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found
in amd64.
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1809[14:09:12] <linux999> ,v ffmpeg
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1810[14:09:13] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy:
6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports:
7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-2; sid: 7:3.2.4-1;
wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo1
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1811[14:09:18] <tomcres> ,v ffmpeg
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1812[14:09:19] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy:
6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports:
7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-2; sid: 7:3.2.4-1;
wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo1
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1814[14:09:43] <jelly> dragoonis: you can verify effects of your
pinning attempts with "apt-cache policy packagename"
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1815[14:09:52] <tomcres> It looks like you can get ffmpeg from
jessie-backports
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1816[14:11:05] <jelly> dragoonis: I wouldn't bother with
pinning really, I'd install whatever crap from
squeeze-lts/squeeze, then hold all of it
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1817[14:11:14] <jelly> pinning is... weird
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1818[14:11:33] <dragoonis> jelly, i followed this guide -
replaced-url
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1819[14:12:00] <dragoonis> should my preferences file be
different in any way? also: I've got 'php5-common' in
my prefs file now, as per your suggestion
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1820[14:12:06] <jelly> dragoonis: "There is currently no
text in this page."
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1822[14:12:46] <jelly> oh, my irc client didn't catch _(7.0)
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1825[14:13:30] <yottanami> Hey all
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1828[14:13:38] <dragoonis> jelly, makes sense.
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1829[14:13:57] <yottanami> I want to mount internal drive in
pcmanfm but I got this error "Not authorized to perform
operation"
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1831[14:14:06] <jelly> dragoonis: yeah, that looks wrong. It
probably accidentally works with mod_php because its package has an
explicit pinning entry
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1832[14:14:27] <dragoonis> I'm looking for 'php5,
php5-common, php5-fpm' that's it
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1834[14:14:44] <jelly> dragoonis: then put in a separate entry
for each of those
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1835[14:14:45] <dragoonis> what should i tweak in my prefs file
then, if it looks wrong ? :)
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1836[14:14:49] <dragoonis> ok doing so
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1837[14:15:13] <jelly> you don't really need the
"php5" one, that's a metapackage I think
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1839[14:15:41] <dragoonis> jelly, here's the apt-cache
policy output -
replaced-url
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1842[14:16:07] <yottanami> here is my config content
replaced-url
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1844[14:16:15] <jelly> dragoonis: that seems alright
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1845[14:16:47] <jelly> dragoonis: you can now dpkg --purge php
packages that are installed already, then install them back
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1848[14:17:22] <dragoonis> jelly, bcoz i'm in docker,
whenever i run the 'build' i start from an empty debian
wheezy install and then put stuff on top. so nothing is installed by
default .. just a FYI about my context
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1849[14:17:25] <bleb> In the debian installer I replaced by
existing MBR with GRUB, and as warned I can't access the first
partition on my disk. Is there an easy way to make this parititon
bootable once again?
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1850[14:17:30] <dragoonis> how's this for the preferences.d
file ?
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1852[14:17:41] <jelly> dragoonis: oh, that's alright then
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1854[14:18:10] <jelly> dragoonis: (did not take a look at your
file, but the result policy seems to do what you want)
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1861[14:18:38] <dragoonis> I put 3 explicit package entries in
the prefs file, and kept the Pin 700 line too
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1863[14:19:22] <jelly> dragoonis: if you install additional
packages with aptitude, it ought to figure out what to do. Not so
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1874[14:22:18] <dragoonis> jelly, i got the same error
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1875[14:22:22] <dragoonis> php5-fpm : Depends: php5-common (=
5.4.45-0+deb7u7) but 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29 is to be installed
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1879[14:23:13] <dragoonis> perhaps php5-fpm is still at version
5.4 ?
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1880[14:23:40] <dragoonis> Ok, I found the problem here.
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1881[14:23:51] <dragoonis> apt-cache policy php5-fpm .. there is
no Squeeze entry for PHP 5.3
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1882[14:24:02] <dragoonis> so it always hits php-fpm 5.4 :/
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1888[14:25:57] <heoa> How to get apt-get to install the newest R
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1892[14:26:57] <jelly> dragoonis: then you have to switch to a
different php api, not fpm, or build your own.
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1896[14:27:47] <jelly> sorry, I didn't even think about it
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2015[14:35:29] <iron_houzi> Is there a recommended way to install
Python 3.6 w/ pip and venv on Debian without creating a
FrankenDebian?
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2016[14:35:49] <iron_houzi> .. normally this entails
configure/make/install ..
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2048[14:45:40] <pragomer_1> just installed stretch on my dell
notebook. every time i reboot (via terminal or reboot gui) the
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2050[14:46:37] <han-solo> support to stretch is that way
----->
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2052[14:46:49] <han-solo> !debian-next
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2053[14:46:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2054[14:47:09] <han-solo> kidding :}
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2056[14:47:27] <pragomer_1> how can i get an invitation to next?
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2057[14:48:30] <babilen> It's on irc.oftc.net (aka
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2062[14:49:35] <tomcres> It's on irc.oftc.net, not on
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2065[14:50:15] <han-solo> i'd guess, dpkg was pretty
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2066[14:50:31] <han-solo> s/guess/say/
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2087[14:57:36] <nguyenphi> I use netinstall cd but can get wifi
to work with wpa supplicant just like arch
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2090[14:58:02] <nguyenphi> Is there anyguide out there?
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2091[14:58:25] <OerHeks> nguyenphi, netinstall wants cable
networking iirc
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2094[14:58:50] <nguyenphi> nguyenphi: i installed it successful
on my laptop
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2095[14:58:51] <OerHeks> (correct me if i am wrong)
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2096[14:59:00] <nguyenphi> OerHeks: but can't get the wifi
working
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2098[14:59:37] <nguyenphi> OerHeks: even install network manager
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2099[15:00:01] <nguyenphi> But I counldn't find it
interfaces since I used i3wm
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2100[15:00:07] <han-solo> check the driver
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2102[15:00:29] <nguyenphi> han-solo: i also installed non free
firmware
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2113[15:01:37] <han-solo> admin101 - try turning it off and on
again :}
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2115[15:01:44] <nguyenphi> han-solo: also did that
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2120[15:02:32] <nguyenphi> han-solo: but I dont know is it ok for
just install i3 but not desktop environment
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2125[15:02:57] <nguyenphi> han-solo: i did it the same way on
arch
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2138[15:07:17] <Popzi> How can I setup VNC abit better? I have (I
believe) a bot trying to bruteforce it and keeping it locked all the
time so I can't access it >_> ssh kill and restarting it
for now
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2159[15:15:25] <fishbulb> how do I find what is in the debian
repos
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2162[15:15:56] <fishbulb> it claims to have the most stuff in the
repos
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2165[15:16:34] <Brigo> fishbulb, apt-cache search, or aptitude or
synaptic, etc.
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2166[15:16:45] <fishbulb> I'm not using debian though
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2167[15:16:54] <Brigo> fishbulb, the use the web
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2168[15:16:58] <Brigo> then*
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2169[15:17:04] <fishbulb> I'm using another distro
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2170[15:17:08] <Brigo> packages.debian.org, i think
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2171[15:17:20] <tomcres> packages.debian.org
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2172[15:17:24] <Plushwolf>
replaced-url
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2173[15:17:30] <fishbulb> cool thanks
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2174[15:17:43] <fishbulb> is there a rolling distro of debian
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2175[15:17:50] <Plushwolf> no
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2176[15:17:57] <fishbulb> damn
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2178[15:18:04] <Brigo> but you can always use testing
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2179[15:18:10] <fishbulb> is that rolling?
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2180[15:18:26] <Plushwolf> no, it's always in development
and things may be broken
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2181[15:18:26] <Brigo> fishbulb, yes, and unstable more rolling
even.
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2182[15:18:37] <fishbulb> ok that sounds terrible
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2183[15:18:45] <Brigo> Plushwolf, yes, that's the meaning of
rolling if you think a bit about it. :=
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2184[15:18:49] <Brigo> :D
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2185[15:18:53] <Plushwolf> archive -> oldstable -> stable
-> testing -> experimental -> sid
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2186[15:19:06] <Brigo> fishbulb, that's what a rolling is.
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2187[15:19:08] <fishbulb> what would archlinux be
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2188[15:19:18] <fishbulb> it doesn't seem to actually break
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2189[15:19:24] <Brigo> fishbulb, not sure, i have never used it.
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2190[15:19:53] <fishbulb> well it's rolling and claims to be
"cutting edge" but the users are extremely elitist and you
must do everything "the arch way"
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2191[15:19:54] <Brigo> fishbulb, maybe because you are compiling
all the time i i got it right.
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2193[15:20:11] <Brigo> fishbulb, very nice if you want to learn,
yes.
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2194[15:20:26] <fishbulb> learn what
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2195[15:20:27] <jelly> Plushwolf: that line is rather incorrect
wrt archive, oldstable and experimental
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2196[15:20:39] <Plushwolf> Brigo: >ou forget that Arch Linux
and Debian can't be compared, Arch doesn't have a stable
version and spend all their ressources to keep new packages to their
newest version. Debian spend more time in keeping the stable version
just more stable, I already had some kernel issues in testing and
some MySQL issues on testing
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2197[15:20:40] <Brigo> fishbulb, how to conpile, configure, etc.
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2198[15:20:46] <fishbulb> I use linux because it's not
windows and it runs software
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2199[15:21:08] <Brigo> Plushwolf, i just said i don't know
arch.
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2200[15:21:21] <fishbulb> the operating system runs the software
then it gets the hell out of the way
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2201[15:21:36] <jelly> that's what an OS is for, yes
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2202[15:21:45] <Brigo> jelly, should be ;)
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2204[15:22:06] <fishbulb> and if there's stupid crap that
gets in the way of me running the software, I start to dislike the
OS
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2207[15:22:43] <fishbulb> is this 1739 actual users?
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2208[15:22:45] <Brigo> fishbulb, you aren't talking about
systemd, right? :D
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2211[15:23:02] <Plushwolf> jelly:
replaced-url
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2212[15:23:03] <Plushwolf> not really
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2213[15:23:15] <Brigo> fishbulb, i hope there are some more.
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2215[15:23:22] <fishbulb> some more what?
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2217[15:23:39] <fishbulb> arch is becoming a bit too elitist
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2218[15:23:49] <fishbulb> and there are some things I don't
like
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2221[15:24:23] <Brigo> fishbulb, users
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2222[15:24:39] <fishbulb> yes.
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2223[15:24:44] <fishbulb> very perceptive
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2224[15:24:53] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, it has no reason tobe
elitist, it's a pretty ordinary operating system that just
prides itself on so called bleeding edge package versions
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2226[15:25:23] <fishbulb> this is just my opinion. obviously,
because I'm the one saying it.
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2231[15:26:10] <ravvz__> rip
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2234[15:26:18] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, not disagreeing , think
it's an elitist wannabe
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2235[15:26:22] <fishbulb> nobody likes bashing other distros
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2236[15:26:55] <fishbulb> but if you have to arbitrarily install
the thing manually using instructions that they just removed most of
the "handholding" because of "noobs"
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2237[15:26:56] <BluesKaj> well, it works , but IMO it's
nothing special
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2238[15:27:00] <Plushwolf> every distro has its advantages and
disadvantages, no need for a distro war here
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2242[15:27:25] <fishbulb> ok I'm just moaning about the
other one hoping someone will say "oh everything about this one
is perfect and those problems arne't here"
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2255[15:32:04] <BluesKaj> I haven't run debian in a while
and I'm enjoying it a lot , especially the KDE/plasma version
which has features from plasma 4 that I miss in kubuntu/plasma 5
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2278[15:42:34] <n4dir> in a debian chroot i am not able to access
the manpages. how come?
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2287[15:45:07] <Brigo> n4dir, are they there? are the man path
configured?
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2289[15:45:30] <n4dir> yes, they are there. What do you mean: man
path configured?
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2302[15:46:16] <Brigo> n4dir, maybe that was a mistake
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2308[15:47:12] <lighteningbolt> I installed Debian 8 Live
bootable USB... It is slow. If I take out the flashdrive I'm
unable to boot windows? I think it's because I installed grub
on my windows computer... What a mess?
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2309[15:47:12] <n4dir> What man page do you want
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2313[15:48:20] <n4dir> and for all manpages i test, i get:
"No manual entry for man. See 'man 7 undocumented'
for help when manual pages are not available."
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2314[15:48:25] <Brigo> n4dir, that ones you can't access, of
course.
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2316[15:48:51] <Brigo> n4dir, then maybe you have to build the
manpage database.
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2317[15:49:21] <Brigo> n4dir, you can do it with mandb
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2318[15:49:34] <lighteningbolt> I think I might need to scrub my
system, although it's difficult with no internet for my
tower... Is there a way I can save all my updates to usb?
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2322[15:50:24] <Brigo> lighteningbolt, what updates?
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2323[15:50:32] <n4dir> Brigo: error persists
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2327[15:51:09] <Brigo> n4dir, if the man pages are in their right
place, then i am clueless, sorry.
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2328[15:51:35] <lighteningbolt> updates for windows... Because I
need to scrub my system debian grup was installed on my windows
computer and now I need a usb stick to boot my machine
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2329[15:51:52] <Logg> lighteningbolt: change your boot priorities
in bios/uefi to fix boot issue. make sure you install grub to the
same place as you have installed debian.
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2331[15:52:00] <newbie22> how about the MANPATH variables ???
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2332[15:52:22] <Brigo> n4dir, maybe man -d (debug mode can give
any clues)
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2333[15:52:31] <lighteningbolt> I dual booted debian 8 live
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2335[15:53:04] <Brigo> lighteningbolt, are you in debian? have
you graphical environment?
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2337[15:53:09] <Logg> lighteningbolt: you can insert the windows
install disk to repair the windows boot loader if it got damaged.
the live system is just for evaluation purposes and you should
expect it to be slow if you're running off a usb all the time.
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2339[15:53:19] <lighteningbolt> graphical environment
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2340[15:53:40] <n4dir> newbie22: that looks odd. echo $MANPATH
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2341[15:53:40] <n4dir> /usr/local/man:/usr/man
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2344[15:53:59] <lighteningbolt> Thanks
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2345[15:54:12] <Logg> lighteningbolt: good luck
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2349[15:55:28] <newbie22> n4dir: open my openSuse the variable
MANPATH is set
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2352[15:55:47] <Brigo> newbie22, my $MANPATH is empty too.
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2353[15:55:51] <n4dir> and that seems to have done it: export
MANPATH=/usr/share/man
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2356[15:56:22] <Brigo> lighteningbolt, then you can just insert
the usb stick and you can access it directly
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2357[15:56:29] <newbie22> n4dir: OMG, I am a newbie and I helped
someone, I love it...
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2360[15:56:59] <Brigo> n4dir, so it wasn't a mistake when i
asked before :D
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2361[15:57:00] <n4dir> cool bean, thanks. Brigo mentioned it
above too, but i never heard of MANPATH.
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2362[15:57:18] <Brigo> as i said, main is empty and man is
working.
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2364[15:57:28] <n4dir> Brigo: as i never heard of it, i did echo
$PATH, .... oh my
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2365[15:57:36] <Brigo> don' you love computers? :D
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2366[15:58:00] <n4dir> I assume debootstrap or chroot or both use
MANPATH from the "host", there it is like that, and there
it works.
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2370[15:58:29] <n4dir> cool. thanks to all.
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2373[15:58:51] <Brigo> n4dir, np
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2374[15:59:32] <dragoonis> I'm on Wheezy and need help
finding the correct sources.list entry to give me this file -
replaced-url
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2377[16:00:10] <jelly> ,i libapache2-mod-fastcgi
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2378[16:00:11] <judd> Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi
(non-free/httpd, optional) in jessie/amd64: Apache 2 FastCGI module
for long-running CGI scripts. Version: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1+deb8u1;
Size: 64.0k; Installed: 190k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2379[16:00:14] <jelly> ,i libapache2-mod-fastcgi --release wheezy
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2380[16:00:15] <judd> Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi
(non-free/httpd, optional) in wheezy/amd64: Apache 2 FastCGI module
for long-running CGI scripts. Version: 2.4.7~0910052141-1; Size:
70.7k; Installed: 276k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2383[16:00:46] <jelly> dpkg, tell dragoonis about non-free
sources
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2388[16:02:06] <jelly> dragoonis: tried libapache2-mod-fcgid ?
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2389[16:02:11] <jelly> might be an option
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2394[16:04:09] <dragoonis> jelly, i have tried it. it
doesn't actually work.
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2395[16:04:18] <dragoonis> Invalid command
'FastCGIExternalServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by
a module not included in the server configuration
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2398[16:04:45] <dontknow> how can i change my user password? (i
use sudo and don't have root account)
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2402[16:05:02] <dragoonis> That keyword is introduced by
'libapache2-mod-fcgi' and if you install
'libapache2-mod-fcgid' it doesn't give you that
keyword
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2403[16:05:17] <Logg> dontknow: passwd
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2404[16:05:32] <dontknow> "sudo passwd username"
doesn't work
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2405[16:05:44] <n4dir> no need for sudo
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2410[16:08:19] <dontknow> when i say "passwd username"
after entering current password and new password, it says
"authorization key manuplation error"
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2415[16:09:33] <dontknow> ?
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2416[16:09:57] <n4dir> passwd ; no username
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2418[16:12:05] <n4dir> if you need to do it for a different
acount, try "sudo su" and then "passwd username"
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2425[16:12:37] <dontknow> n4dir, only passwd failed again. same
error
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2433[16:13:53] <OS-27364> 1 2 testing
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2434[16:14:03] <Logg> 3 4 works
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2435[16:14:13] <jelly> dragoonis: going to assume you
a2enmod'd it and restarted apache before trying and that it
really doesn't work
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2437[16:14:26] <dragoonis> jelly, yes indeed :)
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2439[16:14:43] <dragoonis> a2enmod fcgid (Module already loaded)
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2441[16:14:55] <dontknow> i want to change password without
turkish character, because i am going to install kde on stretch. and
i heard that kde doesn't obey yout keyboard layout, you have to
change keyboard layout in kde
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2442[16:15:24] <dontknow> anyone information about that
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2443[16:15:31] <dontknow> ?
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2444[16:15:51] <dontknow> though i can't change my user
password
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2446[16:16:22] <jelly> dontknow: log in as root at the console,
set new password with "passwd username"
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2447[16:16:26] <planetmaker> eh, that sounds pretty strange @
dontknow
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2449[16:16:31] <Logg> If it says "authorization token
manipulation error" I think that means you mistyped the
password.
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2450[16:16:43] <dontknow> jelly, i don't have root account
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2451[16:16:56] <jelly> dontknow: do you have access to the
console?
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2454[16:17:19] <dontknow> you mean ctrl+alt+f2? i can use
terminal
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2455[16:17:24] <planetmaker> passwd should work for you in
console / bash
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2457[16:17:56] <jelly> dontknow: how do you do admin work then,
with sudo?
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2460[16:18:27] <Anonymes> hi
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2461[16:18:36] <jelly> !i forgot root password
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2463[16:18:37] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2464[16:18:43] <dontknow> jelly, what is admin work?
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2466[16:18:50] <jelly> dontknow: ^^ you can set a new root
password that way
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2467[16:19:15] <jelly> and while you're at it you can also
set a new user password too
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2468[16:19:17] <Logg> dontknow: if you can sudo, do "sudo
-i" and you get root
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2470[16:19:48] <jelly> that's going to be problematic if
they can't type in the password at the login prompt
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2472[16:19:57] <Anonymes> hi
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2478[16:20:38] <jelly> dontknow: work that required
administrative (ie. root) privileges, eg: installing and removing
programs, changing global configuration, that kind of thing
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2481[16:20:46] <jelly> requires*
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2484[16:21:25] <dontknow> jelly, Logg ehhh. it doesn't work
and i don't understand you jelly
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2487[16:21:38] <dontknow> fuck it
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2488[16:21:47] <n4dir> you are using kde right now?
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2492[16:22:17] <dontknow> n4dir, no. but i am going to install
kde plasma. and i heard it doesn't obey keyboard layout
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2494[16:22:20] <n4dir> if so, post the command you use and the
messages you get, all of it. Say to paste.debian.net
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2496[16:23:14] <n4dir> hard to believe that kde will not do it.
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2498[16:23:25] <jelly> dontknow: so avoid using accented
characters in the password
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2500[16:23:40] <dontknow> i googled it and they have complex
workaround. i don'rt want to break
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2501[16:24:06] <dontknow> jelly, lol that's what i am trying
to do
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2503[16:24:29] <jelly> dontknow: if you haven't done the
installation yet at all, what's the problem?
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2504[16:24:49] <jelly> use ascii only, and be happy
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2505[16:25:07] <n4dir> as far i understand he wants to be
prepared to install kde. Hence he wants to change the password now.
And that doesnn't work
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2506[16:25:07] <Logg> I use emoji in my passwords, very secure
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2507[16:25:16] <n4dir> dontknow: i got that right?
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2508[16:25:27] <dontknow> jelly, i am on debian stable now. i
have access everything. i want to update it to the stretch and
install kde. but before that because of the bug i have to change
passwd
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2509[16:25:35] <n4dir> Logg: i simply don't let anyone enter
my room. Very secure too
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2510[16:25:39] <jelly> dontknow: so change it now
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2512[16:26:06] <n4dir> jelly: the whole problem is that he
*can't* change it
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2513[16:26:10] <jelly> dontknow: can you log in at the console?
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2514[16:26:12] <dontknow> jelly, are you ok? i can't change
it
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2515[16:26:27] <Logg> dontknow: if you can log into a tty, that
tty can apparently handle the accent mark in your password
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2516[16:26:41] <jelly> dontknow: did you try logging in at
Ctrl-Alt-F1, and then changing the password with "passwd"
command
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2517[16:26:44] <Logg> you said before you tried to "sudo
passwd user", and got an error from passwd, which means you
have sudo access
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2518[16:26:51] <Logg> so just sudo -i, then passwd user
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2519[16:27:03] <jelly> no, not "sudo passwd user", just
"passwd"
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2520[16:27:04] <dontknow> Logg, it didn't work
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2522[16:27:13] <dontknow> jelly, it didn't work
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2523[16:27:34] <jelly> dontknow: what didn't work, logging
in or the "passwd" command?
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2524[16:28:02] <dontknow> i can log in. sudo password works
great. i kust can't change the password
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2526[16:28:14] <Logg> issue the command "sudo -i"
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2527[16:28:15] <jelly> I didn't say sudo anything.
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2530[16:29:19] <dontknow> Logg, i can log in using "sudo
-i" but can't change passwors
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2531[16:29:30] <dontknow> same error
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2534[16:30:04] <n4dir> copy and paste the whole shebang: the
command[s] you run and the messages you get.
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2536[16:30:10] <Logg> if you have root, then you don't need
to input your old password when you change passwd
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2540[16:31:43] <dontknow> passwd: Authentication token
manipulation error
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2541[16:31:43] <dontknow> passwd: password unchanged
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2543[16:32:11] <Logg> internet says that can happen if your
filesystem isn't mounted rw
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2545[16:32:23] <Logg> and maybe you need to delete the old
password with "passwd -d user"
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2547[16:32:40] <dontknow> wait i found a video tutorial
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2557[16:35:04] <seoner> can you please tell if my sources.list
looks good?
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2560[16:36:04] <n4dir> seoner: you only need deb-src lines if you
plan to compile packages from source yourself
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2561[16:37:37] <seoner> n4dir: I follow this link (How to upgrade
Debian Wheezy to Jessie safely)
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2562[16:38:16] <seoner> n4dir: so I asking if im ready to go?
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2564[16:39:12] <n4dir> i would say yes.
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2565[16:39:21] <n4dir> !sources list
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2566[16:39:25] <n4dir> damnit
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2567[16:39:30] <n4dir> !wheezy
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2568[16:39:30] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldstable>
release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04:
replaced-url
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2570[16:40:35] <n4dir> seoner: i am very sure that deb-src is not
needed. I am not so sure how debian-stable or debian-old-stable
sources entries have to look. To me it looks good though
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2572[16:41:11] <Logg> if apt-get update is successful I think it
looks fine
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2573[16:42:04] <n4dir>
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2574[16:42:21] <n4dir> i always get confused by updates, back
then volatile, and what not. But to me it looks fine
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2592[16:47:44] <seoner> n4dir: ok thank you
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2596[16:48:51] <seoner> n4dir: some people say that wheezy is
unsecure. what do you think about it?
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2597[16:49:14] <BluesKaj> seoner, BS :-)
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2600[16:51:06] <lighteningbolt> What you you think of Firestarter
?
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2601[16:51:08] <Bliepo> Eehhh
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2602[16:51:11] <Bliepo> !wheezy
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2603[16:51:11] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldstable>
release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04:
replaced-url
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2604[16:51:21] <Bliepo> Security supported *ended*
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2605[16:52:14] <lighteningbolt> In with the New and out with the
Old
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2606[16:52:15] <n4dir> seoner: i don't think much about it.
On the raspberry i still run wheezy, and i do know that a few people
here mentioned they'd be still running wheezy on servers
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2607[16:52:38] <n4dir> in a few months the question if it is or
not is obsolete anyway
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2610[16:53:54] <lighteningbolt> You can run a firewall
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2617[16:56:49] <jelly> Bliepo: ended support by the security
team, how there's support by the LTS team
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2618[16:56:59] <jelly> now*
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2619[16:57:34] <jelly> it's a bit more limited, a couple
packages are not supported any more
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2621[16:57:48] <Bliepo> Yes, I read, but if upgrading isn't
too much trouble I'd upgrade
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2625[16:58:15] <sphalerite> Is there a way to show the dependency
closure of a package?
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2626[16:58:30] <fred1807> I would like to add my usb hd to fstab,
whats wrong with this line?
UUID="0E1C399F-8891-411C-A4BA-A126CB95FD88" /mnt/hd ext4
rw,defaults,noatime,nofail 0 0
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2629[16:59:49] <sphalerite> fred1807: I'm not sure if
that's the problem, but the quotes shouldn't be necessary
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2630[17:00:18] <sphalerite> I'm not sure how the mounting
works from there but my fstab entries also have lowercase UUIDs
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2632[17:00:48] <sphalerite> It may be using
/dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid> in which case it will have to be
lowercase
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2633[17:01:02] <sphalerite> I may be wrong, but trying
shouldn't do any harm :)
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2636[17:01:35] <jelly> fred1807: get rid of doublequotes, try
again
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2640[17:03:15] <fishbulb> can I ask questions to compare distros
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2643[17:04:16] <fishbulb> I am so sick of distro hopping, and
arch is more trouble than it's worth
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2647[17:04:49] <fishbulb> I went to arch because there seemed to
be way fewer rules
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2651[17:05:38] <fishbulb> neither of those things were questions
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2653[17:06:16] <seoner> ok
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2654[17:06:19] <seoner> thank you
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2659[17:07:11] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: you can ask about debian
for sure. other distros are off-topic generally but *may* be
on-topic when being compared with debian. note that you're
probably going to get answers biased in favor of debian.
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2663[17:08:45] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: FWIW, i started on the
free version of red hat (before fedora was a separate thing), tried
slackware for a few hours and gave up on it, then tried debian and i
haven't ever wanted to switch to anything else
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2666[17:09:12] <SerajewelKS> i used red hat for at least a year
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2670[17:11:19] <BluesKaj> I install debian when i want to restore
some Linux sanity back into my computing life :-)
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2673[17:12:11] <fishbulb> I'm too medicated, "the arch
way" is... I hate it
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2676[17:13:13] <fishbulb> the other distros I used were probably
all in the top 10 or 15
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2680[17:13:46] <BluesKaj> i also test kubuntu dev OSs which is a
bit frustrtating nowadays
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2681[17:14:09] <n4dir> anything without systemd is fine to me.
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2682[17:14:48] <fishbulb> n4dir, is systemd the thing that makes
the network interfaces all weird names?
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2687[17:16:12] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, in a word, yes
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2690[17:16:49] <fishbulb> ok, arch is not the right distro
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2693[17:17:10] <sphalerite> I ♥ NixOS
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2694[17:17:11] * sphalerite hiddes
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2695[17:17:17] <sphalerite> s/dd/d/
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2696[17:17:19] <fishbulb> I don't knowif anything is the
right distro
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2697[17:17:37] <BluesKaj> bah, humbug...paranoia
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2700[17:18:13] <fishbulb> what if I'm destined to distro hop
forever, oh no
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2703[17:18:41] <pieradmin> hello
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2705[17:18:58] <jelly> yes hello
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2707[17:19:24] <n4dir> pick any distro, stick to it and learn it
well. they all suck
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2709[17:19:41] <BluesKaj> fishbulb, what are your interests on
Linux exactly, some distros are better than others in certain areas
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2711[17:20:04] <jelly> I'm with n4dir on this one.
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2714[17:20:11] <BluesKaj> n4dir, that's BS
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2716[17:20:31] <fishbulb> both you guys made me feel worse about
life
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2717[17:20:48] <fishbulb> but also better
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2720[17:21:13] <jelly> something would have to be immensely
better than debian to make me consider switching, and there's
no such distro, either commercial or free
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2721[17:21:17] <sphalerite> I was a debian guy for many years,
distro-hopped for a couple of months last year, and settled on
NixOS. Not for people who don't like to tinker (a matter of
maturity), but I really like the model of having software installed
into environments rather than the machine.
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2723[17:21:52] <fishbulb> the problem I had with debian whenever
I last tried it was I think I wanted to use firefox, it wasn't
allowed because firefox has a logo
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2724[17:21:55] <jelly> Arch has excellent docs, tho, I'll
give them that
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2725[17:21:56] <fishbulb> something insane like that
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2727[17:22:14] <BluesKaj> maturity ?? more BS :-)
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2728[17:22:15] <jelly> fishbulb: mozilla reconsidered that,
there's firefox in debian again
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2729[17:22:21] <n4dir> fishbulb: if you know a distro well,
instead of distrohopping, then you know how to work around such
"issues"
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2730[17:22:23] <fishbulb> something richard stallman would think
of while eating mushrooms off his feet
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2731[17:22:48] <sphalerite> fishbulb: Even then you could use it.
It just wasn't officially called firefox.
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2733[17:23:00] <jelly> fishbulb: I'd say try using each
distro for at least 3-6 months
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2735[17:23:32] <bleb> I've installed debian to boot with
UEFI. Now I have "debian" listed in my EFI menu for
booting, but if I select it it doesn't do anything. The screen
refreshed but displays the same selection menu, rather than booting
debian. Is there any hope?
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2736[17:23:35] <jelly> you just can't figure out best
practices and common workarounds in a week or three
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2738[17:23:39] <fishbulb> I've used arch for about a year,
probably more, and I still have to come to irc to find shit out
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2739[17:23:44] <DUSHMAN2012> hi everybody
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2741[17:23:52] <n4dir> a year ain't that long
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2742[17:23:55] <DUSHMAN2012> i'm debian stretch user
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2743[17:24:01] <sphalerite> BluesKaj: is that in response to me?
I think the amount of tinkering necessary with NixOS is absolutely a
matter of maturity.
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2744[17:24:05] <DUSHMAN2012> and i am newbie in irc
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2745[17:24:08] <fishbulb> the coming to irc part with arch users
is the worst
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2748[17:24:33] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: you'll have that with
debian too. just ask smart questions and you'll get smart
answers.
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2749[17:24:40] <DUSHMAN2012> have you something to say to me
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2750[17:24:56] <mtn> DUSHMAN2012: do you have a support question?
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2751[17:24:57] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: you're going to need
to ask for support with any OS
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2752[17:24:57] <BluesKaj> sphalerite, a mature OS is more
efficient
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2753[17:24:59] <fishbulb> run for your life!
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2755[17:25:35] <fishbulb> SerajewelKS, I'm really sedated
right now, I'm trying to explain why arch might be wrong and
why debian might be right
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2757[17:25:51] <DUSHMAN2012> mtn: no i can support myself and
other debian users? i use debian from squeeze
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2759[17:25:56] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: try debian in a virtual
machine for a few days, that's the best way to answer your
question
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2760[17:26:06] <n4dir> fishbulb: sounds more like
#debian-offtopic
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2761[17:26:15] <fishbulb> no I don't do that, if I'm
going to install sometihng I install it
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2762[17:26:17] <DUSHMAN2012> but only today find time to install
irc client and get in
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2764[17:26:31] <mtn> DUSHMAN2012: this is not a general chat
channel
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2765[17:26:38] <sphalerite> BluesKaj: what's efficiency got
to do with what I said?
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2767[17:26:50] <nikolov> how to use full hd resolution free
radeon driver
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2768[17:26:55] <fishbulb> debian claims to have the most software
in the repos, what's that like compared to the AUR? another
thing I hate
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2769[17:27:09] <DUSHMAN2012> mtn: only debian support questions?
ok, what's channel just for talk at this server? maybe russian
channels?
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2772[17:27:31] <mtn> DUSHMAN2012: #debian-offtopic
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2773[17:27:37] <DUSHMAN2012> ok, thanks
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2776[17:27:45] <mtn> !ru
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2777[17:27:45] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2779[17:28:09] <DUSHMAN2012> thanks all
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2781[17:28:31] <DUSHMAN2012> but about russian chat's just 4
talk, not for support?
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2782[17:28:48] <BluesKaj> sphalerite, this isn't a debate,
and we're reminded to stay ontopic
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2783[17:28:55] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: debian (stable) has damn
near everything, but the version from six months ago ;)
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2784[17:29:01] <SerajewelKS> which is probably okay in most cases
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2786[17:29:15] <sphalerite> BluesKaj: I'm just wondering
what your point is, not trying to argue
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2787[17:29:17] <fishbulb> opentoonz?
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2790[17:29:50] <sphalerite> BluesKaj: you said BS in response
(AFAICT) to something I said, I'm trying to understand why
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2791[17:29:52] <BluesKaj> sphalerite, of , tinkering is not a
sign of maturity
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2793[17:30:15] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: that software may be too
new
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2794[17:30:40] <jelly> SerajewelKS: itym 2 years ago!
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2795[17:30:48] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: there isn't even an
official linux build
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2796[17:30:57] <fishbulb> yes there is
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2798[17:31:14] <SerajewelKS> jelly: well, six months at the
moment stable is released, isn't the freeze about six months
now?
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2800[17:31:26] <greycat> There's no fixed time.
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2801[17:31:28] <SerajewelKS> since the change to a faster release
cycle?
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2802[17:31:28] <sphalerite> fishbulb: opentoonz seems to be
non-free software as well, which is less of a focus in debian
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2803[17:31:34] <SerajewelKS> greycat: i'm approximating
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2804[17:31:42] <fishbulb> it's totally free
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2805[17:31:53] <fishbulb> it's probably just obscure
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2806[17:32:05] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: "free"
doesn't necessarily mean it complies with the debian free
software guidelines (DFSG)
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2807[17:32:07] <sphalerite> I doubt that licence is
DFSG-compatible
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2808[17:32:22] <n4dir> i could swear the channel topic says
something about questions ...
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2809[17:32:22] <fishbulb> oh shit now I remember
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2810[17:32:22] <SerajewelKS> and if there is a linux build,
it's not on their website anywhere
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2811[17:33:10] <fishbulb> I think you're looking at the
wrong thing
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2812[17:33:10] <sphalerite> oh wait, that restrictive licence
only seems to apply to the windows/OSX binaries while the code
available on github seems to be 3-clause BSD which is free
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2815[17:33:45] <fishbulb> how much paperwork do I need to fill
out
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2816[17:34:06] <sphalerite> none at all :) you could try building
opentoonz yourself
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2818[17:34:19] <sphalerite> If you're feeling like learning
about debian, you could even package it.
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2820[17:34:21] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: you can file a RFP
(request for package) on the bug tracker. or you could learn debian
packaging and file an ITP (intent to package) and do it yourself.
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2822[17:34:36] <fishbulb> I want to run the software
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2825[17:34:50] <fishbulb> then I want the os to never do anything
to annoy me
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2826[17:35:14] <BluesKaj> debian jessie 8.7.1's media
capabilities have gotten much better since I last ran jessie ...this
is my HTPC and it 's working well with my plasma tv/monitor and
audio system. I'm very pleased :
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2827[17:35:47] <SerajewelKS> fishbulb: you are describing a
fictional OS, every OS is going to annoy you sooner or later
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2829[17:35:49] <sphalerite> fishbulb: good luck with that
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2831[17:36:06] <greycat> Debian is one of the least annoying.
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2834[17:36:09] <SerajewelKS> i find debian less annoying than
most others, anyway
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2835[17:36:13] <jelly> SerajewelKS: even then, not all
maintainers upload the latest thing right before the freeze
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2837[17:36:25] <SerajewelKS> jelly: true
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2840[17:36:42] <fishbulb> debian involves people so it's
definitely going to be annoying
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2841[17:36:44] <sphalerite> fishbulb: try
replaced-url
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2842[17:36:48] <SerajewelKS> i should get back into packaging, i
only ever packaged one thing and i recently requested that it be
removed from debian
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2843[17:36:56] <sphalerite> fishbulb: good luck finding a distro
that doesn't involve people
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2846[17:37:32] <fishbulb> I'm making cynical remarks
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2850[17:37:58] <SerajewelKS> you aren't wrong. people are
the most annoying part of software.
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2857[17:39:40] <SerajewelKS> wow, my grammar sucks before i have
coffee.
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2860[17:39:48] <fishbulb> they're the worst part of life.
they should be the best. when a lot of people get together there are
"politics" involved, when it comes to software I want to
use everything and never pay for it
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2864[17:40:50] <fishbulb> if there are a LOT of rules about
software, that could be really bad
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2867[17:41:03] <SerajewelKS> you should want to contribute
somehow. i mean not that you can't use free software, but
don't be one of those leeches that uses and uses and takes
support and never gives back.
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2868[17:41:27] <SerajewelKS> even just staying in this channel
and helping other people is a good way to give back. provided that
you know what you're talking about.
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2879[17:42:55] <str_> I have a debianjessiebox , 2 networks
[NA,NB], 2 routers[RA,RB],
INET->RA->NA->JessieboxA<-NB<-RB<-INET and I would
like to ping from network A to network B. What can I do on JessiBox.
I tried ipforward=1 but nothing happens.
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2880[17:43:06] <SuperNull> hey guys, kinda random but im
automating SSH but the remote server is sending unicode (its a
device i cannot change this) anyone know of a way of forcing UTF8
only
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2882[17:43:28] <greycat> I thought it's a "device you
cannot change".
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2885[17:43:51] <jelly> SuperNull: ssh does not care about the
contents of the stream. Deal with it on the endpoints.
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2886[17:43:55] <greycat> Also, Unicode is an abstract thing, not
an actual encoding of bytes for characters. You seem to be confused.
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2890[17:44:05] <jelly> !ask
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2892[17:44:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2895[17:44:11] <SerajewelKS> str_: you may need to masquerade/NAT
in both directions
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2897[17:44:31] <SuperNull> perhaps.. but its basically im working
with Alcatel routers..
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2902[17:44:44] <SerajewelKS> str_: unless each network uses
JessieboxA as their gateway, either globally or for the other
network
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2903[17:44:46] <SuperNull> and its sending me whitespace that
gets encoded into TCL jacked.
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2904[17:44:56] <jelly> tcl?
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2905[17:44:59] <SuperNull> greycat: you probably are the most
relevant to respond ;)
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2906[17:45:02] <greycat> SuperNull: what *exactly* are you
receiving and what issue are you trying to solve?
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2907[17:45:05] <jelly> SuperNull: are you... using expect?
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2908[17:45:11] <SuperNull> yes..
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2909[17:45:15] <SerajewelKS> str_: basically if the machines in
NA/NB don't know how to get packets to the other network then
they won't get back
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2910[17:45:18] <greycat> 11:32 SuperNull|#tcl> im using expect
to automate ssh .. but the remote server is sending unicoded white
space characters
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2911[17:45:24] <greycat> 11:42 SuperNull|#tcl> if i turn on
exp_internal .. i can see '\u001b[1D\' ..
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2914[17:45:42] <SerajewelKS> str_: you may also be using some
firewall package that sets the policy for the filter-FORWARD chain
to DROP
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2915[17:45:44] <greycat> That looks like a terminal escape
sequence. NOTHING to do with unicode.
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2917[17:45:48] <SuperNull> expect it not liking the hidden
chars.. for matching scans and stuff
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2918[17:45:59] <SuperNull> greycat okay.. my bad.
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2921[17:46:03] <greycat> 001b is ESC. ESC [ blah is a terminal
sequence.
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2923[17:46:15] <jelly> SuperNull: there are better ways to talk
to network devices, like perl Net::Appliance::Session module
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2924[17:46:19] <str_> SerajewelKS, no Jessibox appears only as
regular machine in both nets 192.168.0.100 and 192.168.2.100
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2927[17:46:33] <SuperNull> no thanks to perl.
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2929[17:46:45] <SerajewelKS> str_: i assume the networks are
192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24 then
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2930[17:46:54] <str_> SerajewelKS, yes
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2932[17:46:57] <jelly> SuperNull: python then
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2934[17:47:13] <SerajewelKS> str_: if that's the case then
my original statement stands. you either need to NAT from one
network to the other, or... are you using DHCP to assign IPs in both
networks?
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2935[17:47:15] <SuperNull> i can probably map the pattern to
''.
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2936[17:47:42] <jelly> ,i python-paramiko
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2937[17:47:43] <judd> Package python-paramiko (python, optional)
in jessie/amd64: Make ssh v2 connections with Python (Python 2).
Version: 1.15.1-1; Size: 104.5k; Installed: 612k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2938[17:47:43] <str_> SerajewelKS, Yes DHCP individual on both
networks on RA and RB
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2940[17:48:13] <SerajewelKS> str_: okay. so you need to configure
the DHCP server on both networks to advertise jessiebox as the
gateway to reach the other network.
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2941[17:48:16] <str_> SerajewelKS, I tried that but it does not
work either
replaced-url
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2942[17:48:30] <SerajewelKS> str_: it will work if you do it
right
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2946[17:49:11] <SerajewelKS> str_: the problem is that even
though the jessie box is forwarding traffic between the networks,
none of the hosts in the two networks have been informed of this
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2948[17:49:26] <SerajewelKS> str_: so they are sending ALL
packets outside of their own network to their default gateway
(RA/RB)
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2949[17:49:51] <SerajewelKS> str_: so even with NAT you would
have to configure the routing tables... so NAT is not a good
solution here since the jessie box is not the default router for
these networks
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2950[17:49:59] <str_> SerajewelKS, I have a static route on RA
for route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 gw 192.168.0.100 on RB
(192.168.2.1)
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2952[17:50:14] <jelly> SuperNull: did you try asking ssh to avoid
opening a tty
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2953[17:50:16] <str_> SerajewelKS, and the opposite for RB
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2954[17:50:51] <SerajewelKS> str_: that route doesn't make
sense
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2955[17:51:01] <SerajewelKS> str_: the gateway should be in the
192.168.2.0/24 network, no?
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2956[17:51:37] <SerajewelKS> str_: you're telling the router
that in order to reach the network 192.168.0.0/24 it should use
192.168.0.100 as the gateway. this creates a circular problem where
it needs to use the gateway to reach the gateway.
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2957[17:51:39] <str_> SerajewelKS, yes... of course always for
the other network
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2958[17:52:00] <SuperNull> jelly: like... -T ?
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2959[17:52:03] <jelly> yes
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2960[17:52:06] <SerajewelKS> str_: paste me the exact routes you
set up. the route you put in IRC is incorrect and wouldn't
work.
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2961[17:52:27] <SuperNull> no bueno
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2963[17:52:46] <SuperNull> still get the escapes
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2965[17:52:49] <Lalalove> Hello.
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2967[17:53:17] <jelly> SuperNull: then your device is broken,
filter the crap out manually
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2968[17:53:20] <Lalalove> With latest testing, how do I set
CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI?
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2969[17:53:35] <SuperNull> jelly: its Alcatel.. of course its
broke
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2970[17:53:43] <jelly> ^_^
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2971[17:54:13] <Lalalove> Is it necessary to recompile the kernel
to set CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI?
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2974[17:54:41] <Lalalove> Got this 270X and it won't run out
of the box.
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2976[17:55:04] <str_> SerajewelKS, I have zentyal on A which is
router and default gateway for internet A on 192.168.0.1 and setup
static route 192.168.2.0/32 with gateway 192.168.0.100 (jessiebox)
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2977[17:55:29] <SerajewelKS> str_: shouldn't that route be
192.168.2.0/24
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2979[17:56:00] <jelly> judd: kconfig DRM_AMDGPU_SI --release
stretch
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2980[17:56:01] <judd> Searching for 'DRM_AMDGPU_SI' in
stretch kernel config gives no results.
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2986[17:56:45] <Lalalove> judd, kconfig DRM_AMDGPU
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2987[17:56:46] <judd> Searching for 'DRM_AMDGPU' in
jessie kernel config gives no results.
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2988[17:56:50] <jelly> Lalalove: so it's unset.
/boot/config-4.9.0-1-amd64:# CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI is not set
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2991[17:57:03] <str_> SerajewelKS, no I rechecked it says /32
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2992[17:57:04] <Lalalove> Yeah!
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2993[17:57:13] <Lalalove> I'll need to enable it.
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2995[17:57:29] <Lalalove> cat /boot/config-4.9.0-1-amd64 | grep
DRM_AMD
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2996[17:57:37] <Lalalove> # CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI is not set
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2997[17:57:37] <jelly> Lalalove: check the bug reports for that
kernel package, and consider filing one if you need it
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2998[17:57:47] <Lalalove> There's one.
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2999[17:57:53] <Lalalove>
replaced-url
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3000[17:58:02] <jelly> what's the bug number?
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3002[17:58:20] <Lalalove> 847570!
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3003[17:58:29] <SerajewelKS> str_: then there's your
problem, it should be /24
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3004[17:58:30] <jelly> #847570 you say
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3005[17:58:31] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3007[17:58:43] <SerajewelKS> str_: or at least there's ONE
of your problems
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3008[17:58:59] <SerajewelKS> str_: i can't say it'll
work after changing that, but it definitely isn't going to work
unless you do
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3011[17:59:27] <SerajewelKS> str_: unless you only want to ping
the exact address 192.168.2.0 -- which isn't even a valid IP
for a host in the 192.168.2.0/24 subnet
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3012[17:59:41] <jelly> Lalalove: If you have hardware that does
not work with stretch, I'd say that deserves more than wishlist
priority, so chime in
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3013[17:59:57] <Lalalove> How do I chime in?
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3015[18:00:14] <Lalalove> I'm here and it doesn't work.
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3017[18:00:47] <AlexPortable> how do I trust a root CA in ica
(web) client
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3018[18:01:03] <AlexPortable> eh srorry wrong channel
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3020[18:01:11] <jelly> Lalalove: send mail to that bug, taking
note of your hardware. This irc channel is volunteer support and
package maintainers do not read it really
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3021[18:01:19] <str_> SerajewelKS, changed ... will try but need
to reboot jessibox since I tried everything already...:-)
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3022[18:01:30] <SerajewelKS> str_: you shouldn't need to
reboot at all
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3023[18:01:33] <SerajewelKS> str_: this isn't windows
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3024[18:01:33] <Lalalove> :(
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3026[18:01:51] <SerajewelKS> though even on windows, network
changes do not require a reboot
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3027[18:01:55] <jelly> Lalalove: you may try asking in
#debian-kernel over on irc.oftc.net, see if they tell you the same
thing
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3029[18:02:41] <str_> SerajewelKS, just because I added tons of
routes and iptables but did not persist them and it is faster to
reboot than delete each and every experiment I came up with
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3032[18:02:47] <Lalalove> Alright, sounds better than writing an
e-mail.
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3033[18:02:53] <Lalalove> Thank you and goodbye!
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3043[18:04:24] <SerajewelKS> str_: okay
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3045[18:05:00] <str_> SerajewelKS, Fine now something works
now... Ping of 192.168.2.100 from 192.168.0.x, but as soon as I ping
"deepr"
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3053[18:06:42] <str_> SerajewelKS, If I now do the nat masquerade
it should be possible to ping every computer, right?
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3067[18:09:49] <SerajewelKS> str_: that shouldn't be
necessary if you have a route configured
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3068[18:10:28] <SerajewelKS> str_: what's more likely is
that forwarding isn't working. double-check that ipforward is
turned on for the v4 stack and that the default policy for the
filter-FORWARD chain isn't DROP.
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3070[18:10:51] <SerajewelKS> str_: make sure that you fix the
other route as well, if it's /32
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3073[18:11:30] <SerajewelKS> str_: on the 192.168.2 router you
should have a route for 192.168.0/24 gw 192.168.2.jessiebox, and on
the 192.168.0 router you should have a route for 192.168.2/24 gw
192.168.0.jessiebox
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3075[18:12:28] <str_> SerajewelKS, I erased the other route for
now and I did iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
-> now I can ping every computer from A to B, but as soon as I
get to a website provided not on port 80 it does not even load
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3079[18:12:42] <SerajewelKS> str_: you don't need NAT. stop
using NAT.
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3080[18:12:49] <SerajewelKS> something else isn't configured
right
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3081[18:12:52] <str_> SerajewelKS, Ok
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3082[18:13:05] <romgo> Hello
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3083[18:13:09] <str_> SerajewelKS, Ok I will add the 2nd static
route first.
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3084[18:13:11] <SerajewelKS> if the route in each direction
works, NAT won't be necessary
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3085[18:13:46] <romgo> I just setup ldap authentification with
nslcd. it works, but since I install nscd first authentification
still failed until I shutdown the daemon
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3088[18:13:55] <romgo> Any idea on what is wrong with nscd ?
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3089[18:15:06] <romgo> should I give a try to unscd ?
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3092[18:15:58] <jelly> romgo: check if things work well after a
reboot, first. I've found unscd to be a bit more stable, but I
don't use it with a ldap setup right now
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3094[18:17:39] <jelly> assuming you've also set up user and
group lookups with ldap, ie. NIS, not just auth
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3104[18:23:56] <str_> SerajewelKS, Ok done, both routes added in
the router now I got 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw
192.168.2.16... ping now works for every machine without any nat.
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3107[18:24:56] <SuperNull> jelly: greycat figured it out .. it
was a spinner ... \|/- ... progress bar that was hidden because it
happens so quickly
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3109[18:25:48] <jelly> *headslap*
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3114[18:26:30] <str_> SerajewelKS, I tried to reach website at
192.168.2.200 from 192.168.0.1 through a browser but loads
forever...but ping works
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3118[18:28:08] <str_> I will try to do the opposite from Network
B now.
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3122[18:30:26] <SerajewelKS> str_: might be worth running tcpdump
on the jessie box to see what packets are flowing
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3132[18:37:26] <SerajewelKS> str_: if ping works then
there's no reason TCP shouldn't also work. it's
possible that the firewall on the machine you're connecting to
only allows connections from the LAN, for example.
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3134[18:38:08] <SerajewelKS> str_: use tcpdump to verify that
packets are correctly being forwarded. for example if you see the
SYN packet enter the jessie box and then leave out the other network
interface, then the problem is likely on the machine running the
HTTP service.
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3137[18:38:33] <str_> SerajewelKS, But ping works only from side
A ...
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3138[18:38:41] <str_> SerajewelKS, will try tcpdump
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3139[18:38:48] <SerajewelKS> str_: then you have another
configuration issue
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3140[18:39:02] <SerajewelKS> str_: ping should work from both
sides. if it does not, fix that first.
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3145[18:39:49] <str_> SerajewelKS, thx ... I'm on it..
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3181[18:54:41] <Necrosporus> E: The repository
'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Stretch_ - Official
Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20170213-04:16] stretch Release'
does not have a Release file.
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3182[18:54:53] <Necrosporus> And that's on freshly installed
system
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3183[18:56:08] <greycat> sounds like a bug you should report
since you are testing the installer
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3203[18:59:46] <Necrosporus> greycat, this problem existed back
in Debian 6.0
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3205[19:00:01] <Necrosporus>
replaced-url
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3206[19:00:06] <Necrosporus> and still nobody fixed it
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3207[19:00:13] <greycat> !d-i
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3208[19:00:13] <dpkg> Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
replaced-url
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3209[19:00:21] <greycat> Those are the people who would be able
to fix it.
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3210[19:00:44] <Necrosporus> Where?
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3213[19:01:15] <greycat> Do you have the bot on ignore or
something?
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3214[19:01:21] <Necrosporus> greycat, I do not want to go to
oftc.net
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3215[19:01:25] <greycat> *plonk*
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3216[19:01:26] <Necrosporus> if it's what you mean
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3217[19:01:37] <Necrosporus> Cannot join #debian-devel (Channel
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3218[19:01:38] <greycat> And I don't want to talk to you. We
both get our wish.
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3219[19:01:39] <Necrosporus> also this
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3221[19:02:03] <BluesKaj> beware of the gui installer on
debian-jessie 8.7.1. It doesn't play well with some gpus,
however the the olds standard text installer still works well if
needed.
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3253[19:12:33] <moonpunter> So if I login via my regular login
screen, on first boot, a lot of stuff is messed up -- no ability to
minimize/close windows, and things like that. But then if I go to
another TTY, login and startx, it works fine. This is obviously a
fine workaround for now, but if anyone has an idea on where I should
look for the problem, I'd appreciate it.
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3256[19:13:11] <moonpunter> Sorry just woke up. By "on first
boot" I mean after a reboot.
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3275[19:18:03] <mtn> moonpunter: which version of debian?
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3282[19:22:58] <moonpunter> stretch
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3284[19:23:59] <mtn> moonpunter: you should ask on #debian-next
(irc.oftc.net)
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3295[19:28:02] <SerajewelKS> is there documentation on how
linux-igd decides what port to allocate for a upnp mapping request?
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3299[19:28:20] <SerajewelKS> or some way to configure the range
of ports it can choose from? sometimes it chooses a port that some
process on the router itself is listening to.
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3302[19:31:48] <soyeomul> i heard munich fail to try linux from
zdnet. is that true? is there munich people?
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3303[19:32:07] <SerajewelKS> soyeomul: what does this have to do
with debian support?
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3304[19:33:06] <soyeomul> am i wrong? i just curios news for
munich linux story
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3305[19:33:24] <dontknow> soyeomul, i read it in multiple places
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3306[19:33:32] <SerajewelKS> soyeomul: this has nothing to do
with debian
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3307[19:33:44] <soyeomul> hmm...
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3309[19:33:53] <SerajewelKS> soyeomul: this is a channel for
debian support. this has nothing to do with support nor debian.
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3310[19:34:06] <dontknow> soyeomul, i think they have corrupt
minister or something
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3313[19:35:05] <soyeomul> ok. i go home. thanks.
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