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• 2[00:00:23] <jhutchins> aguitel: Somebody thought it was a good idea for removable media to always be read-only.
• 3[00:00:49] <aguitel> jhutchins, why this?
• 4[00:00:54] <jhutchins> aguitel: I put an entry in fstab to always mount it rw.
• 5[00:01:00] <jhutchins> aguitel: I have no idea why.
• 6[00:01:15] <aguitel> ok
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• 11[00:02:30] <thims> vooze: Agreed.
• 12[00:02:39] <jhutchins> user accessible ntfs
• 13[00:02:48] <jhutchins> dpkg user accessible ntfs
• 14[00:02:48] <dpkg> To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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• 18[00:04:44] <jmcnaught> if it's just a temporary mount and you have udisks2 service running you can use udisksctl(1) as a regular user to mount it
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• 22[00:05:50] <jhutchins> aguitel: Which reminds me, I rebuilt two of my systems recently and need to re-do that.
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• 24[00:06:44] <jhutchins> aguitel: What release are you on?
• 25[00:07:19] <jhutchins> In XFCE on 8.8 it mounts rw.
• 26[00:07:26] <jhutchins> No fstab entry.
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• 33[00:10:03] <jhutchins> aguitel: Here's what I have on an older system:
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• 35[00:10:05] <jhutchins> aguitel: dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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• 40[00:11:20] <jhutchins> aguitel: Brazil?
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• 50[00:17:01] <forcerecon> after a apt-get udpate and apt-get dist-upgrade.. how does one remove packages that are no longer valid.. what is the command please
• 51[00:17:35] <jmcnaught> forcerecon: replaced-url
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• 58[00:19:19] <slugmx> hi - after installing stretch, i install firmware-iwlwifi but NetworkManager does not display any wifi things, anyone happen to know what would cause this?
• 59[00:20:42] <jmcnaught> slugmx: what led you to install firmware-iwlwifi, were there log messages about missing firmware files? what did those messages say?
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• 62[00:21:31] <slugmx> i installed it because the machine is thinkpad with intel wireless chip
• 63[00:21:46] <slugmx> just like any other debian version i have always needed it
• 64[00:22:12] <jmcnaught> did you reboot after installing the firmware package?
• 65[00:22:16] <aguitel> jhutchins, argentina
• 66[00:22:18] <slugmx> yes
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• 68[00:24:25] <jmcnaught> slugmx: time to look at some logs then. "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will show any firmware related messages from the kernel. You can also look at "journalctl -u NetworkManager" for logs from NM. Is there anything besides lo in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 69[00:25:38] <slugmx> hey thank you for your kind responses jmcnaught, turns out it was another kernel module i had causing the issue
• 70[00:25:43] <slugmx> thx!
• 71[00:26:10] <jmcnaught> cheers, what was the module by the way?
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• 74[00:29:09] <jhutchins> Where are the .desktop files that create menu entries for xfce?
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• 79[00:29:39] <jmcnaught> in /usr/share/applications if they're from packages
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• 87[00:30:40] <jmcnaught> you can also use /usr/local/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications for GNOME at least
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• 90[00:31:46] <teraflops> ~/.local/share/applications is for dealing with xdg-mime stuff
• 91[00:31:46] <apt> ...but /.local/share/applications is already something else...
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• 95[00:32:29] <teraflops> gnome uses gvs-mime though, which is now deprecated upstream in favour of gio
• 96[00:32:44] <jmcnaught> you can also add user-specific menu entries there
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• 99[00:34:11] <jhutchins> Odd, I have two entries for imagemagick, but no icon and no files in those locations
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• 102[00:35:17] <teraflops> also iirc xfce uses its own thingy
• 103[00:35:53] <jhutchins> Also doesn't launch anything, and I can't just right click and get properties for the menu entry.
• 104[00:36:30] <teraflops> those desktop files or not app launchers
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• 107[00:37:07] <teraflops> I meant you do not double click them for launching apps
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• 109[00:37:41] <teraflops> they define a mime type and an application that handles it
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• 111[00:38:07] <ZeuZ> Hello, I;ve got a problem. Can;t find up to date manuals for freeradius 3.X on debian 7
• 112[00:38:11] <teraflops> are not^
• 113[00:38:57] <forcerecon> sudo apt autoremove
• 114[00:39:00] <ZeuZ> ergh, debian 9
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• 116[00:39:27] <forcerecon> all good.. after a few times of running everything the machine has been updated to nine flawlessly and the icons came back on the desktop and everything is spot on
• 117[00:39:32] <forcerecon> way to go debian
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• 126[00:44:58] <lesik__> hey, I just freshly installed debian stretch in a VM and I'm getting a weird error when updating the package lists.
• 127[00:45:01] <lesik__> "the keys in keyring /etc/apt/trusted.pgp are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key"
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• 129[00:45:13] <lesik__> when I remove the file, it works fine until I open synaptic again.
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• 133[00:45:41] <lesik__> then I get the same warning (sorry, it's more of a warning. I can still use apt without problems, it's just that annoying warning)
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• 135[00:46:04] <lesik__> I can not reproduce this error on my main machine, but I can definitely reproduce it in the VM.
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• 140[00:47:29] <lesik__> both machines run stretch, by the way. my main machine was updated from jessie though, if that could have anything to do with the problem.
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• 147[00:47:58] <lesik__> I've found some forum posts that suggest removing the file, which does fix the issue temporarily, until the next time synaptic is opened.
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• 154[00:50:31] <forcerecon> this is interesting.. I do an apt-get update and even though source.list is all stretch it is still hitting jessie and stretch
• 155[00:50:34] <forcerecon> is this normal
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• 159[00:51:05] <forcerecon> Ign:2 replaced-url
• 160[00:51:05] <forcerecon> Hit:3 replaced-url
• 161[00:51:05] <forcerecon> Hit:4 replaced-url
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• 164[00:51:39] <forcerecon> Ign:5 replaced-url
• 165[00:51:39] <forcerecon> Hit:6 replaced-url
• 166[00:51:39] <forcerecon> Hit:7 replaced-url
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• 168[00:52:35] <mutante> forcerecon: my guess would be you also have config snippets in /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory
• 169[00:52:51] <forcerecon> the machine that was clean install of 9 does not do this just the upgraded one
• 170[00:53:25] <lesik__> forcerecon: it's only the dropbox repo that is on jessie. did you check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dropbox.list?
• 171[00:53:32] <mutante> forcerecon: check both places /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 173[00:53:50] <forcerecon> mutante: you are correct there is a sources.list.d folder with dropbox.list and google-chrome.list in it.. shoudl I just delete the folder
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• 175[00:54:00] <mutante> forcerecon: not the folder, but the file
• 176[00:54:14] <forcerecon> two files I will delete both
• 177[00:54:22] <at0m> and why delete if you can replace the jessie with stretch as in your sources.list
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• 179[00:54:38] <lesik__> if you delete the files, you will not get any updates for dropbox or google chrome
• 180[00:54:54] <lesik__> however, the dropbox repo does not support stretch yet: replaced-url
• 181[00:54:59] <forcerecon> sources.list does not indicate those locations.. only stretch.. it is calling it somhow but not from sources.list
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• 183[00:55:43] <forcerecon> I have dropbox on the new machine and those files do not exist..
• 184[00:55:44] <mutante> forcerecon: you can also just take the content of those files and add them to the regular sources.list file. doesn't really matter for the result
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• 186[00:56:45] <forcerecon> just following the rabbit.. here why on new machine with same apps is there no drop or chrome even though they are installed, but on upgraded pc they exist
• 187[00:57:34] <lesik__> possibly the repo is missing on your non-upgraded machine because dropbox does not offer a repo for stretch yet.
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• 189[00:57:59] <forcerecon> butit did for jessie?
• 190[00:58:06] <lesik__> yes
• 191[00:58:08] <forcerecon> I am following now
• 192[00:58:09] <forcerecon> thanks
• 193[00:58:13] <lesik__> I assume the dropbox binary check the system version, if it finds a supported one, it installs a repo list file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dropbox.list
• 194[00:58:20] <lesik__> but for stretch, it didn't find one
• 195[00:58:24] <lesik__> so it skipped that
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• 200[00:59:44] <lesik__> on the jessie system, which you upgraded to stretch, you still have the old file, that dropbox installed there back then a while ago, when you were still running jessie
• 201[00:59:46] <amundsen> hi
• 202[00:59:56] <at0m> unless you run dropbox as root (eek), it cannot add a file in sources.list.d
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• 204[01:00:20] <amundsen> if atom text editor is open source why isn't it in debian repos?
• 205[01:00:23] <lesik__> at0m: it might have asked for privileges
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• 207[01:01:27] <lesik__> amundsen: if I understood correctly, something about unlicensed files (which is a no-go for debian)
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• 209[01:01:30] <lesik__> replaced-url
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• 212[01:03:12] <amundsen> lesik__, thx
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• 219[01:07:48] <forcerecon> there is aprogram that I really like it is called signal.. and it is secure text messaging..
• 220[01:08:19] <forcerecon> in windows they created the ability for you to run chrome browser and connec to signal same as the app on your phone but as a chrome app.. it was great
• 221[01:08:45] <forcerecon> what in linux allows you to txt sms and not only see it on your machine but on your phone and sync real time
• 222[01:08:49] <forcerecon> is there anything out there
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• 225[01:10:45] <forcerecon> I have not mastered this github thing yet but does this mean signal is available for linux - replaced-url
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• 230[01:13:20] <forcerecon> it looks like as long as you install chrome it will work, or chromium
• 231[01:13:27] <forcerecon> woohoo!
• 232[01:13:42] <lesik__> forcerecon: yes, it is a chrome extension. you can run it on any computer that can run chrome or chromium.
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• 324[02:00:27] <p8m> Crud... /var isn't large enough to upgrade to stretch. it needs 1,880MB and var is only 1.7GB :/
• 325[02:00:37] <p8m> I guess I'll uninstall somethings
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• 436[02:58:38] <wiretapt> hows e veryone doing
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• 438[02:58:58] <wiretapt> can we reelect obama
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• 453[03:10:03] <mrr0butt> yes we can!
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• 466[03:18:51] <XeonSquared> What pack/buf23
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• 468[03:18:53] <XeonSquared> fsck
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• 491[03:28:34] <wiretapt> merge it with the top
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• 510[03:37:50] <phlunk3> Hi all, I recently moved from jessie to stretch and am seeing degradation in video performance, I believe mainly because I am using ati cards and previously relied on fglrx, Would people recommend I just buy some nvidia cards, or is there some other path forward / suggestions to try and improve video playback performance? Thanks in advance, have been struggling the last couple of days to find answers elsewhere but thought I'd now
• 511[03:37:51] <phlunk3> take the risk of being abused here ;)
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• 524[03:46:16] <antman> What's a debian?
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• 531[03:50:14] <antman> Can I install debian on android?
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• 545[03:59:48] <k000> how to fix this? "dnsmasq: unknown user or group: dnsmasq"
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• 547[04:00:45] <petemc> how did you install dnsmasq?
• 548[04:00:52] <k000> yes
• 549[04:01:07] <petemc> i asked how
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• 555[04:02:37] <antman> What's a dnsmasq?
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• 558[04:03:11] <antman> Do you run that on windows?
• 559[04:03:12] <ironpill_> hi all, is there a library like python click replaced-url
• 560[04:03:32] <k000> petemc: i create a user and a group called dnsmasq
• 561[04:03:38] <TomG2> phlunk3, i'd keep trying different drivesr
• 562[04:03:43] <k000> and this workss
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• 564[04:04:23] <veek> is there a way to change to 'stable-backports' from deb replaced-url
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• 567[04:04:28] <fredbear> ironpill_: did you just ask that in ##linux?
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• 569[04:05:08] <ironpill_> fredbear: yep :) but I think they were in the middle of a discussion already. So I thought my question went unnoticed.
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• 573[04:06:51] <fredbear> ironpill_: would ncurses work?
• 574[04:07:22] <fredbear> wait, got my conversations crosses
• 575[04:07:24] <fredbear> crossed
• 576[04:07:29] <fredbear> what does click do?
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• 578[04:08:25] <ironpill_> it parses command line arguments. it auto creates --help
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• 581[04:08:41] <ironpill_> actually a whole lot.
• 582[04:08:54] <ironpill_> nesting of command, subcommands etc
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• 585[04:11:05] <fredbear> ironpill_: replaced-url
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• 587[04:12:04] <ironpill_> fredbear: cool. I was just reading its examples. thanks! I'll play with it and get back with more questions :)
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• 590[04:13:05] <fredbear> this might be a bit newer: replaced-url
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• 592[04:13:46] <ironpill_> oh...good find
• 593[04:14:16] <jasonwc> I'm experiencing an issue in Debian Stretch where my primary monitor (2 monitor setup) isn't used after resuming from standby (requires a long sleep). I'm using the nvidia drivers and the impacted monitor uses GSync, which may or may not be relevant. xrandr doesn't show the monitor connected when this occurs and there are no relevant erorrs in the Xorg log. Logging out of Gnome and back in fixes the issue.
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• 599[04:21:09] <phlunk3> Thanks Tom, yeah good point I just no idea how to get started with that but guess that is a good next step :) time for some reading.
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• 683[05:30:39] <nvz> could someone refresh me on the package i reconfigure to change font on the console?
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• 691[05:33:33] <nvz> nm its console-setup.. duh
• 692[05:34:20] <nvz> much better.. now i can see
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• 694[05:35:31] * nvz sings /i can see clearly now the strain is gone/ :p
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• 707[05:46:39] <Guest32146> Running Debian-testing.
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• 709[05:47:09] <nvz> congrats
• 710[05:47:17] <Guest32146> Cant' seem to install torbrowser-launcher, without upgrading to unstable.
• 711[05:47:42] <nvz> tor reecommends ou use the package otheir site for tor-browser
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• 714[05:48:33] <Guest32146> Will it eventually move from unstable to testing?
• 715[05:48:33] <LungXiNu> :)
• 716[05:48:45] <nvz> its all static binary like, ready to unzip and do strange things with random websites
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• 718[05:49:36] <Guest32146> nvz: I don't understand . . .
• 719[05:49:41] <gry> ts binary is in which package?
• 720[05:49:54] <gry> for timestamp
• 721[05:50:58] <nvz> gry: /msg judd find ts
• 722[05:52:36] <nvz> doesnt seem to support regex to narrow that down. heh
• 723[05:52:36] <LungXiNu> ?
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• 727[05:53:19] <gry> nvz, thanks! turned out to be 'moreutils'
• 728[05:53:41] <nvz> gry: yeah doing bin/ts revealed that to me as well
• 729[05:54:11] <nvz> gry: judd is faster than dpkg for getting package data
• 730[05:54:25] <gry> why'd it be faster?
• 731[05:54:36] <nvz> ,find bin/ts
• 732[05:54:39] <judd> Search for bin/ts in stretch/amd64: moreutils: usr/bin/ts
• 733[05:54:43] <nvz> see snappy
• 734[05:54:48] <gry> yup
• 735[05:54:52] <nvz> its not the same kind of bot
• 736[05:55:02] <gry> maaybe it runs on a supercomputer :D
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• 738[05:55:10] <nvz> dpkg is a blootbot, better suited for factoids
• 739[05:55:10] <dpkg> nvz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 740[05:55:30] <nvz> !yinzersmite dpkg
• 741[05:55:30] * dpkg pooshes dpkg aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere".
• 742[05:55:46] <nvz> that kinda thing dpkg is quick at
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• 750[05:58:28] <nvz> Guest32146: debians relese schedule is too slow as is most any binary distro to insure security, which is why tor wants you to download their zip, unpack it into your homedir or on your desktop or wherever you like
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• 753[05:58:56] <nvz> their package is fresh, verifyable, and updates on its own if i recall correctly
• 754[05:59:29] <nvz> tor browser is not something you want stale from a 3rd party developer
• 755[06:00:51] <nvz> its an app for paranoid security conscious people and should be used as such
• 756[06:02:37] <nvz> personally i think theyre a bit over paranoid.. the thing goes nuts if you even maximize the window saying "they" might figure out what your screen resolution is.. like thats gonna help someone steal your toaster or something
• 757[06:02:37] <LungXiNu> :)
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• 759[06:04:57] <nvz> like someone is sitting there saying.. ooh 1280x720... i know where they live, and theyre not home and dont even have a dog, lets go use their toilet and make a sandwich from thei fridge!
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• 764[06:09:57] <nvz> that sort of thing is for people who build faraday cages and rig explosives
• 765[06:10:44] <nvz> and dare i say wear tin foil hats
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• 779[06:19:31] <mrr0butt> well there were lot of larg scale deanonimization LE attacks on the tor netwoek in the last years
• 780[06:20:01] <mrr0butt> the huge fbi pedo "playpen" bust
• 781[06:20:36] <mrr0butt> where le managed to track over 900 pedos through the tor network
• 782[06:20:45] <mrr0butt> *track down
• 783[06:20:51] <mrr0butt> or operation onymus
• 784[06:21:20] <mrr0butt> 400 hiddenservices where busted at one
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• 787[06:24:12] <nvz> yeah i heard a bit about it.. but it doesnt really change my position
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• 790[06:25:36] <mrr0butt> the chaos computer club wau holland fundation decided to stop the finacial support of tor development cuz the new dev.managment cares to less about security
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• 795[06:28:33] <mrr0butt> jack appelbaum was thrown out from tor project cuz of sexual harassment and poisonig ppl with drugs accusations
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• 803[06:31:26] <mrr0butt> without anonymous networks stuff like wikileaks wouldnt exist
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• 805[06:32:05] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 806[06:32:05] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 808[06:32:53] <mrr0butt> replaced-url
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• 810[06:33:44] <jmcnaught> mrr0butt: ^^ please go to the offtopic channel for this type of discussion
• 811[06:33:54] <mrr0butt> :D
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• 822[06:42:37] <nvz> i may have just fubar my upgrade to stretch.. heh
• 823[06:43:30] * nvz attempts to recover his dist-upgrade
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• 826[06:45:15] <nvz> itd be one thing if the upgrade didnt go smoothly.. but ill be real mad if I broke it and gotta start all over fresh
• 827[06:45:26] <Guest32146> nvz: thanks for the background info. Good luck with the upgrade.
• 828[06:45:53] <nvz> heh
• 829[06:46:29] <nvz> thats funny cause i did the same thing to you ealier ;)
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• 831[06:46:43] <nvz> well played sir
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• 834[06:48:15] <Guest32146> dpkg and mcnaught: don't be mean. The background discussion on tor was quite informative to me. And please don't be so presbyopic. What is off-topic to one may be on-topic to others.
• 835[06:48:16] <dpkg> that's too long, Guest32146
• 836[06:48:30] <nvz> seems to be sorted now.. i noticed my time was wrong in irssi, checked date and saw the tz was wrong, tried to reconfigure tzdata real quick but didnt get it quick enough before it erred out the upgrade
• 837[06:49:25] <nvz> i never minded ot in here when its a ghosttown.. even when im not at all interested in the subject matter
• 838[06:49:41] <Guest32146> dpkg: That's what she said.
• 839[06:49:41] <dpkg> Guest32146: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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• 841[06:50:13] <nvz> its when people are actually here discussing debian that its a real problem
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• 844[06:51:00] <Guest32146> dpkg: :)
• 845[06:51:00] <dpkg> i guess ) is the smile part of a face.
• 846[06:51:28] <Guest32146> dpkg: are you a bot?
• 847[06:51:28] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
• 848[06:51:42] <bodeezl> ;)
• 849[06:52:23] <nvz> i'm in #debian-offtopic and i switch windows with the ot stuff when its busy in here.. but the last hour there is no action. I answered my own debian question and yours. heh
• 850[06:52:24] <LungXiNu> hmm
• 851[06:53:05] <nvz> so its lean on the shovels and take a road crew union break time
• 852[06:53:12] <mrr0butt> dpkg -r dpkg
• 853[06:53:12] * dpkg removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from mrr0butt's body, then staples mrr0butt back up with a staple gun.
• 854[06:53:38] <mrr0butt> :)
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• 856[06:54:20] <nvz> there is #debian-bots for that during busier times too btw
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• 861[06:57:05] <Guest32146> Easy to ask, hard to answer: how unstable is Debian-unstable?
• 862[06:57:17] <nvz> it varies of course
• 863[06:57:23] <joze> three
• 864[06:57:47] <nvz> you know there are numerous ways to use unstable branch stuff in stable/testing
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• 866[06:57:54] <Logg> sometimes it's unstable. I think it's really not worth it right now, especially considering stable _just_ came out.
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• 868[06:58:46] <nvz> you can setup an unstable chroot and use schroot to run apps from the chroot
• 869[06:58:46] <LungXiNu> lol
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• 871[06:59:00] <nvz> then you can do a simple sid backport in many cases
• 872[06:59:04] <Logg> I just keep an unstable virtual machine if I want an unstable package
• 873[06:59:21] <Guest32146> I am used to regular Arch. I found it to be quite stable. But idk about Debian-unstable.
• 874[06:59:57] <Logg> try it out and see if you like it. I've come across show-stopping bugs a couple times though
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• 876[07:00:23] <Guest32146> Logg: did you have to re-install?
• 877[07:00:41] <nvz> both testing and unstable vary greatly from time to time.. apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges and knowledge of the bts, basic package system debuggging and such help keep things running
• 878[07:00:52] <Logg> I chose to wipe it and install stable, yes.
• 879[07:01:17] <Guest32146> Logg: ouch!
• 880[07:01:17] <LungXiNu> hmm
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• 884[07:02:39] <Guest32146> I'm not sure I want to chroot or vm just to run some packages.
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• 886[07:03:10] <Logg> well, if you choose to mix stable with testing/sid you'll create a frankendebian
• 887[07:03:20] <nvz> for specific new packages my first recommendation is to check for a backport, then ssb, then chroot
• 888[07:03:20] <LungXiNu> :P
• 889[07:04:09] <Guest32146> Maybe I'll just stick with testing for a while and see how that goes.
• 890[07:04:25] <Frogmorton> Hi all, having probs after upgrading Jessie to Stretch. I can't start x and it says it can't open any displays. Xorg configure says number of screens does not match number of devices (not even sure I should be using Xorg configure now)
• 891[07:04:25] <LungXiNu> ?
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• 893[07:04:49] <Logg> Guest32146: you should find it usually fine, and if there's a problem you can selectively downgrade packages if you really want to stick with testing
• 894[07:04:53] <nurupo> updated from kde4 to plasma 5 and some fonts in chromium look a bit different, either too thin or too small
• 895[07:06:07] <nvz> Frogmorton: what drivers where you using in jessie for video and how did you install them?
• 896[07:06:28] <Frogmorton> I think it was on glx
• 897[07:06:28] <LungXiNu> lol
• 898[07:07:23] <nvz> Frogmorton: ok, you dont know. so lets start with you doing lspci|grep vga
• 899[07:07:36] <Guest32146> I was surprised that in the Debian wiki, it said that torbrowser-installer would not be in stretch after 6-22-2017. If it was in Jessie, why didn't they just leave that version in Stretch?
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• 901[07:08:09] <nvz> Guest32146: i answered that earlier..
• 902[07:08:16] <nvz> at length actually
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• 904[07:08:22] <Frogmorton> ah it was the nvidia driver, for a GeForce 8600 GT
• 905[07:09:03] <nvz> Frogmorton: did you install the drivers ? how did you install them?
• 906[07:09:26] <Frogmorton> Don't remember it was some time ago
• 907[07:09:34] <Guest32146> I think you are fight, that they want to make you get it directly from the tor project. But that make me leery - I just want to have all my packages come from the Debian infrastructure.
• 908[07:09:50] <Frogmorton> Likely to be the drivers from nvidia
• 909[07:10:13] <jaggz> anyone know how to add an image pastebin to spectacle?
• 910[07:10:17] <nvz> Frogmorton: what your question told me is that presumably you had x working in jessie and upgraded and now xorg says no screens found.. this most likely means when your kernel upgraded your video drivers broke
• 911[07:10:19] <Guest32146> Meant to say "you are right". The Times regrets the error . . .
• 912[07:10:21] <jaggz> I need an image pastebin widget or something
• 913[07:10:21] <LungXiNu> lol
• 914[07:10:51] <nvz> Frogmorton: so you downloaded nvidia drivers from their website and installed them manually?
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• 916[07:11:16] <Frogmorton> I think I downloaded it, yes
• 917[07:12:02] <nvz> Frogmorton: ok thats not the debian way, but ive done it before.. problem is that 3rd party installer can break when you upgrade your kernel
• 918[07:12:37] <Frogmorton> Is it easy to switch to the debian driver
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• 920[07:12:43] <nvz> Frogmorton: so you need to be more sure because you either need to run it again to update the modules or uninstall so you can installll them the debian way
• 921[07:12:56] <mrr0butt> the nvidia installer breaks your Xorg instantly
• 922[07:12:59] <mrr0butt> :D
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• 924[07:13:27] <nvz> installing the debian way may also break things maybe even make it worse if you did install the 3rd party driver and dont let it remove first
• 925[07:13:43] <Frogmorton> Well I'm on the new kernel now so the old one definitely won't be working
• 926[07:13:46] <nvz> thats why im asking these questions
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• 930[07:14:33] <nvz> if you can find the nvidia-installer.sh or whatever it was and run it again it can clean up after itself
• 931[07:14:35] <mrr0butt> i switched from ubuntu few days ago to stretch, the drivers + bumblebee from the debian repo works fine
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• 934[07:16:24] <mrr0butt> only network-manager seams to be broken, i cant connect to wifi with nm
• 935[07:17:11] <mrr0butt> but "iw dev wlxxx connect -w essid bssid" works
• 936[07:17:12] <nvz> been hearing a lot about nm being messed up in stretch
• 937[07:17:12] <LungXiNu> ?
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• 939[07:18:13] <mrr0butt> network-manager tries to connect but is not able to auth with open (no encryption) ap
• 940[07:18:23] <Frogmorton> and if I, erm... didn't keep the nvidia installer ?
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• 943[07:19:58] <nvz> Frogmorton: id highly recommend letting nvidia installer either remove itself or rebuild its drivers but you got two options if you did install it that way then deleted it, download it again or try debian method which will be unaware there are other drivers present
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• 946[07:21:16] <nvz> Frogmorton: since you installed on jessie and now have stretch it may be that the things that could be messed up by it have already been removed but who knows. my best guess would be to purge any xorg.conf files before installing the debian way
• 947[07:21:52] <mrr0butt> i did a cleaninstall and i have no xorg.conf
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• 949[07:21:59] <Frogmorton> Yes I had to try cleaning the xorg.conf files cos it disabled mouse and keyboard
• 950[07:22:50] <mrr0butt> but it doesnt matter for me cuz i have a hybrid nvidia and use dedicated gpu with bumblebee
• 951[07:23:41] <nvz> well if you remove the xorg.conf and install the appropriate nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings (optional) packages that may do the trick
• 952[07:24:16] <mrr0butt> if you start nvidia-settings after installation it says you should exec "nvidia-xconfig" but there is no nvidia-xconfig executable
• 953[07:24:34] <nvz> mrr0butt: i cant tell if youre trolling me or not. heh
• 954[07:24:44] <mrr0butt> im not
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• 956[07:25:14] <nvz> well i was talking to Frogmorton about nvidia issues and you were talking about network manager issues
• 957[07:25:18] <mrr0butt> for me its not a problem cuz i have nvidia optimus with onboard intel gpu
• 958[07:25:28] <nvz> how did we get to you talking about nvidia
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• 960[07:28:07] <Frogmorton> I was kinda hoping the upgrade to Stretch would just stomp all over the old nvidia setup
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• 962[07:28:54] <Frogmorton> I'm installing the nvidia-driver package now, its building new kernel modules by the looks of this
• 963[07:28:55] <mrr0butt> apt-file search nvidia-xconfig says: /usr/bin/nvidia-xconfig
• 964[07:29:11] <mrr0butt> but the file doesnt exsist
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• 967[07:30:31] <mrr0butt> but in comparsion to ubuntu im very happy with debian
• 968[07:31:37] <Frogmorton> I always come back to debian after trying out others
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• 971[07:33:36] <mrr0butt> used ubuntu for about 8 years but with every new release less stuff is working
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• 973[07:34:01] <mrr0butt> *xubuntu
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• 975[07:36:05] <mrr0butt> was lil bit pissed that in debian my network hardware firmware isnt on dhe isos and i cant connect after installation without the firmware to download it, but then ifound the non-free unofficial isos
• 976[07:38:21] <nvz> my fav of the non debians was mint personally, the variants usually have newer packages and faster release schedules but the stability and suppport cant match debian
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• 978[07:39:20] <nvz> i telll people to do like i did and read debian's social contract and why debian? documents.. if those speak to you then youre a debian user, stop looking elsewhere
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• 980[07:40:33] <Frogmorton> I pretty much followed that ethos, until it came to my nvidia drivers :(
• 981[07:41:16] <nvz> you failed to come here to install them the right way the first time
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• 985[07:41:42] <nvz> if you had the upgrade wouldve went more smoothly
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• 987[07:41:54] <Frogmorton> I think it was here that I got the recommendation to download them...
• 988[07:42:50] <nvz> then someone didnt inform you well enough. i always tell people they gotta run it again after kernel upgrades if i advise against debian packages
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• 994[07:51:06] <Frogmorton> Well bottom, as they say. The Nvidia installer tells me there is no driver installed, but dmesg says there is.
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• 996[07:53:17] <nvz> i never heard anyone say bottom... bullocks, rubbish, darn, shucks, jinkies, bloody hell, shit, damn, dash it all.. etc.. but not bottom
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• 1000[07:54:35] <Frogmorton> it was from an old tv show.. Young Ones? not sure.
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• 1003[07:55:04] <nvz> what country? heh
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• 1006[07:55:40] <Frogmorton> I'm sure bottom would be very british. I'm not tho so I'm only guessing
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• 1009[07:56:06] <nvz> yes it sounds like a childish brittish thing
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• 1012[07:56:33] <nvz> bullocks, bloody hell are more common
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• 1014[07:57:13] <Frogmorton> Ah, Ben Elton. His kind of humor.
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• 1016[07:57:56] <nvz> frogmorton sounds like a british stereotype too
• 1017[07:58:11] <nvz> heh
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• 1019[07:58:52] <Frogmorton> Which also didn't resolve my driver problem. Maybe I shld do a fresh install, tho then I will have to find firmware for my network chip I think
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• 1021[07:59:57] <nvz> did you install both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages and make sure there is no xorg.conf?
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• 1023[08:00:20] <nvz> !nvidia
• 1024[08:00:20] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 1025[08:00:21] <Frogmorton> Not all of those, but dmesg is a little discouraging
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• 1027[08:00:47] <nvz> !nvidia legacy
• 1028[08:00:47] <dpkg> The Nvidia proprietary 304.125 legacy driver supports the GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx GPUs, which are no longer supported by the Nvidia proprietary unified driver. To install, see replaced-url
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• 1033[08:01:18] <nvz> hmm i thought 8600 was legacy too
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• 1035[08:01:33] <Frogmorton> I think it was the legacy support which made me use the proprietary one in the first place
• 1036[08:01:56] <Frogmorton> Now dmesg says (excuse my large paste)
• 1037[08:01:57] <Frogmorton> [    9.174910] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT GPU installed in this system is                NVRM:  supported through the NVIDIA 340.xx Legacy drivers. Please                NVRM:  visit replaced-url
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• 1039[08:02:13] <nvz> you need a nvidia-kernel package to match your kernel and an nvidia-glx
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• 1041[08:02:48] <nvz> yes i am fairly certain despite that factoid dpkg spewed that your card is supported by the legacy kernel driver
• 1042[08:03:36] <nvz> i used to have an 8xxx series
• 1043[08:05:11] <nvz> the only nice thing about nvidias installer is that it just works when you run it.. it figures out what needs done. problem is it doesnt play nice with package managers and upgrades
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• 1046[08:06:05] <Frogmorton> Yes I remember some late nights and cursing when I first upgraded to this box
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• 1049[08:08:10] <nvz> oh bottom, im out of salt.. hmm that doesnt work for me
• 1050[08:08:10] <LungXiNu> :P
• 1051[08:08:22] <nvz> i could really use some salt though
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• 1054[08:10:40] <nvz> fwiw, dango [ mirika@180.251.12.248 /msg spam
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• 1056[08:10:57] <nvz> oops wrong channel
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• 1061[08:13:06] <Frogmorton> I keep an even older pc under the desk with FreeBSD on it, so I always have something to make debian seem simple
• 1062[08:13:59] <nvz> heh
• 1063[08:14:14] <Frogmorton> \]\hkl;'
• 1064[08:14:29] <Frogmorton> kjnm,./+
• 1065[08:14:37] <Frogmorton> oops
• 1066[08:14:47] <nvz> i tried to do freebsd once.. ran the installer a couple times before i realized it reaches no logical end point, you have to know when to stop and reboot
• 1067[08:15:24] <Frogmorton> wait! that explains everything : )
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• 1069[08:16:46] <nvz> that was the only os i ever tried to install that gave a feeling of dejavu in the installer
• 1070[08:17:03] <nvz> that was the only os i ever tried to install that gave a feeling of dejavu in the installer
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• 1074[08:19:20] <Frogmorton> oh man. I can't run the nvidia proprietary installer now cos it says I have to uninstall all the debs first
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• 1076[08:19:39] <Frogmorton> how do I list all the installed debian drivers?
• 1077[08:20:36] <nvz> dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | grep nvidia
• 1078[08:20:36] <dpkg> ii | egrep ^.i | grep nvidia 1.5-3 nvz's private warez collection
• 1079[08:20:49] <nkuttler> Frogmorton: what's wrong with the packaged driver?
• 1080[08:20:52] <nvz> heh, silly bot
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• 1082[08:23:58] <nvz> nkuttler: pebkac
• 1083[08:24:45] <Frogmorton> I can't install debian or proprietary drivers, they see remnants of each other and abort
• 1084[08:25:20] <nkuttler> yeah, remove the proprietary one first
• 1085[08:25:20] <LungXiNu> lol
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• 1087[08:25:57] <nvz> i might have suggested as much an hour ago
• 1088[08:26:27] <Frogmorton> Can't remove it. Don't have the original installer and the closest I can find on nvidia downloads tells me to use the other one
• 1089[08:26:53] <nkuttler> you're supposed to remove it, not download it
• 1090[08:26:58] <nvz> it prob put an uninstall script in /opt] or something
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• 1092[08:27:18] <Frogmorton> No, the installer takes a uninstall command
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• 1094[08:27:52] <nvz> that part i didnt mention an hour ago because im only certain that the installer script can remove it.. the other is pure conjecture
• 1095[08:28:17] <nkuttler> anyway, the debian package just complains when some files exist iirc, just remove those.. if you deleted the installer after using it
• 1096[08:28:18] <LungXiNu> ?
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• 1098[08:28:39] <Frogmorton> dmesg also shows me a problem during startup:
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• 1100[08:28:53] <Frogmorton> [ 9.143673] nvidia: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel.
• 1101[08:28:53] <Frogmorton> [ 9.143681] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
• 1102[08:28:53] <Frogmorton> [ 9.143682] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
• 1103[08:28:53] <Frogmorton> [ 9.174910] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT GPU installed in this system is
• 1104[08:28:53] <Frogmorton> NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 340.xx Legacy drivers. Please
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• 1107[08:29:02] <nvz> pebkac
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• 1113[08:33:46] <Frogmorton> So from the dmesg log it appears I have the 375 driver installed but it doesn't support the hardware, which requires the 340 series drivers
• 1114[08:34:02] <nkuttler> Frogmorton: ignore that for now
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• 1120[08:39:24] <Frogmorton> We need a clever control-panel that just looks at the hardware and fixes all the drivers
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• 1131[08:42:21] <nvz> alsa has something like that for sound cards
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• 1162[08:54:01] <Frogmorton> How do I switch graphics drivers? theres a manager isnt there?
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• 1181[09:08:54] <nvz> not really
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• 1184[09:09:14] <peterrooney> I have upgraded to jessie, and now several applications are using a... ummm... very different UI. to aid in identifying, the scrollbar is rounded instead of square, lightgrey on offwhite, and highlighted blue while being dragged. The Problem: in those applications middle clicking in the scrollbar no longer brings the document to that point. How to restore that functionality, or use a different widget set?
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• 1186[09:09:29] <nvz> y\
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• 1188[09:10:12] <nvz> peterrooney: you using gnome3 i take it?
• 1189[09:10:36] <Frogmorton> I get that too in xfce
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• 1194[09:12:30] <Frogmorton> I think that is a specific widget set with that behaviour
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• 1199[09:13:41] <nvz> those functions aretypically gov by the wm
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• 1202[09:14:37] <nvz> which is why one must specify which de or wm they use when asking such questions
• 1203[09:14:58] <peterrooney> nvz: enlightenment
• 1204[09:15:12] <nvz> ew
• 1205[09:15:33] <peterrooney> nvz: e16, to be certain. It's very strange seeing two different widget sets in one desktop.
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• 1207[09:16:01] <nvz> you should reconsider your life choices
• 1208[09:16:45] <peterrooney> nvz: ... I know, the last e16 update was in April. that was MONTHS AGO.
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• 1212[09:18:24] <nvz> hey if you like that sort of thing...different strokes.. i understand that dilemma i still like sawfish and its dev has stalled a long time ago
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• 1214[09:19:21] <nvz> but when choosing such things you gotta accept how they interact with other projects still in active development
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• 1216[09:19:46] <peterrooney> nvz: so, extra odd: Thunderbird uses the old, correct widgetry (is that a word?), Firefox uses the new widgetry. what's going on?
• 1217[09:20:07] <peterrooney> nvz: e16 is still under active development.
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• 1221[09:22:16] <nvz> those apps both use gtk afaik
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• 1224[09:23:12] <Frogmorton> If I felt young enuff to go near C++ I would prolly stick with QT for my UI, For now I'm just a lowly C# programmer :(
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• 1229[09:23:54] <nvz> maybe uyou could try something like gtk-theme-config
• 1230[09:24:18] <nvz> a user can have gtk custom settings
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• 1238[09:25:51] <peterrooney> nvz: Oooh, hope!
• 1239[09:25:53] <nvz> Frogmorton: sounds like you too should reconsider your life choices
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• 1241[09:25:58] <nvz> heh
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• 1247[09:26:34] <Frogmorton> hmm
• 1248[09:26:39] <nvz> im fighting the urge to run away screaming surrounded my enlightenment and C# users
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• 1252[09:27:00] <Frogmorton> hm, so, anyway, Where shld I look if xorg says stuff like "(WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled"
• 1253[09:27:00] <LungXiNu> ?
• 1254[09:27:15] <Frogmorton> Then it proceeds to disable both
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• 1260[09:28:46] <Frogmorton> It starts off "Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"" should I delete whats in there or leave it alone?
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• 1262[09:29:56] <Frogmorton> and to be honest, I have installed mono on linux, but never compiled a thing. I get enuff of that at work. heh
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• 1267[09:33:56] <Frogmorton> Dual monitors wont be messing up the auto config will they?
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• 1270[09:34:57] <Frogmorton> cos one of them goes to a KVM switch which returns very generic descriptions
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• 1275[09:38:00] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: don't change anything in /usr, you can override anything there in /etc/X11
• 1276[09:38:32] <Frogmorton> but it has a number of things in there that concern me
• 1277[09:39:13] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: those are files provided by packages, and if you change them they will be replaced next time the package is upgraded. The proper way is to change/add files in /etc
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• 1279[09:39:32] <nvz> mono is a nightmare i used it when i was toying with opensim.. tried to jail it but damn thing required proc and dev access.. defeats the purpose of putting it in a chroot if you gotta bind proc and dev
• 1280[09:39:40] <Frogmorton> So it shld have both evdev and libinput ?
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• 1283[09:40:04] <GAYBLACKJEWPRIDE> LESBIAN FAG PRIDE 420!!! HAIL THE JEWS!!!
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• 1288[09:40:19] <Frogmorton> that was, aaaah, unexpected
• 1289[09:40:34] <zleap> yeah
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• 1295[09:42:14] <folial> good morning!! I tried a dist-upgrade to "stretch", but now apt leaves me with "unsolvable dependencies", as pkgProblemResolver::Resolve breaks... any hint about this?
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• 1297[09:42:42] <nkuttler> folial: please paste.debian.net the command + full error
• 1298[09:42:54] <Frogmorton> So I am pondering the bit near the sad ending of my xorg log, where it says  [drm] Failed to open DRM device for pci:0000:01:00.0: -19
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• 1300[09:44:04] <Frogmorton> Did you remove obsolete packages first?
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• 1302[09:45:14] <folial> nkuttler, here it is: replaced-url
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• 1304[09:45:21] <folial> but it is quite huge...
• 1305[09:45:38] <nkuttler> folial: run it again with LANG=C command
• 1306[09:45:42] <folial> many packages complain about libstdc++6 (>= 5.2)
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• 1309[09:46:16] <nkuttler> ,v libstdc++6
• 1310[09:46:18] <judd> Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; stretch: 6.3.0-18; buster: 7.1.0-7; sid: 7.1.0-7
• 1311[09:46:35] <nkuttler> folial: please also see replaced-url
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• 1314[09:46:57] <folial> replaced-url
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• 1316[09:47:50] <nkuttler> folial: see section 4.2 in particular
• 1317[09:47:50] <LungXiNu> hmm
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• 1319[09:48:17] <folial> I read it, no hold packages in my system
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• 1325[09:49:05] <nkuttler> folial: output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libstdc++6
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• 1329[09:50:35] <folial> under ten lines... can I paste it here?
• 1330[09:50:39] <nkuttler> folial: no
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• 1332[09:51:06] <Frogmorton> Not adivsable, so I found
• 1333[09:51:28] <folial> apt-cache policy libstdc++6 --> replaced-url
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• 1335[09:51:50] <folial> maybe I installed libstdc++6 by hand, with dpkg?
• 1336[09:52:00] <nkuttler> folial: and the other command?
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• 1338[09:53:20] <folial> apt-cache policy --> replaced-url
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• 1340[09:53:53] <nkuttler> folial: what happens when you upgrade only trivial packages?
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• 1343[09:55:28] <jelly> what does -f do with dist-upgrade anyway
• 1344[09:55:34] * jelly has no idea
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• 1347[09:57:45] <folial> I cannot neither remove any...
• 1348[09:58:04] <folial> for example, dist-upgrade aborted on qgis...
• 1349[09:58:04] <LungXiNu> lol
• 1350[09:58:50] <folial> apt-get purge qgis aborts... Unmet dependencies: Try 'apt-get -f install'...
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• 1352[09:59:24] <folial> apt-get -f install -> Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
• 1353[09:59:39] <folial> but no held packages, I think
• 1354[10:00:02] <folial> I try to upgrade a different package...
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• 1356[10:00:51] <folial> same result
• 1357[10:01:24] <nkuttler> folial: which command did you use?
• 1358[10:01:48] <folial> I tried 'apt-get install audacity'
• 1359[10:01:55] <Frogmorton> I was prompted a few times to do a autoremove, is apt-get update giving any advice?
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• 1361[10:02:05] <nkuttler> folial: what's the output of dpkg --audit ?
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• 1363[10:02:39] <folial> many packages "unpacked but not yet configured"
• 1364[10:02:47] <folial> one package "triggered"
• 1365[10:02:50] <nkuttler> folial: pastebin it
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• 1368[10:04:21] <nkuttler> folial: and try dpkg --configure -a
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• 1371[10:05:17] <Frogmorton> and if it asks you some question about your nvidia device.... stop and read it....
• 1372[10:05:37] <folial> dpkg -audit -> replaced-url
• 1373[10:05:37] <dpkg> folial: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 1375[10:06:34] <Frogmorton> Well RTFM didn't cover my problems, so why assume about everyone else?
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• 1380[10:07:23] <folial> dpkg --configure -a --> replaced-url
• 1381[10:07:23] <dpkg> folial: are you using Windows?
• 1382[10:08:50] <nkuttler> folial: yeah... you have some serious problem there. broken jessie packages but trying to upgrade to stretch...
• 1383[10:09:01] <nkuttler> folial: i think you should start by adding jessie sources back
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• 1385[10:09:45] <nkuttler> folial: then remove the stretch sources
• 1386[10:09:59] <nkuttler> and *try* if you can do an aptitude remove ~o
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• 1388[10:10:41] <folial> but before they were not broken...
• 1389[10:10:43] <nkuttler> you should never have tried to upgrade this to stretch in it's state..
• 1390[10:10:49] <nkuttler> if you say so
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• 1392[10:11:10] <folial> I did not check, but I had no hints about breakages
• 1393[10:11:36] <folial> so, I have to go back to jessie...
• 1394[10:11:46] <folial> and how can I downgrade the packages?
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• 1400[10:13:50] <folial> what about libstdc++6, apt-cache policy says that "*** 4.9.2-10 0" comes from "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status"
• 1401[10:13:51] <LungXiNu> hmm
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• 1403[10:13:57] <folial> what does that mean?
• 1404[10:14:03] <folial> check replaced-url
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• 1408[10:15:27] <vinalencc> Hello guys! How are you? I would like to ask for help. I instaled Debian 9 but I cannot login (in terminal) as root. I tried 'sudo' and 'su' but nothing. What can I do? Thank you for your attention,
• 1409[10:15:27] <LungXiNu> :P
• 1410[10:15:44] <vinalencc> s/instaled/installed/
• 1411[10:15:44] <jelly> folial: it means that version is installed.
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• 1413[10:16:41] <folial> maybe this is the point... why libstdc++6 is not upgraded?
• 1414[10:16:43] <fredbear> so you can't sudo any commands?
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• 1416[10:17:05] <jelly> vinalencc: is your user member of "sudo" group
• 1417[10:17:10] <vinalencc> fredbear: No, it says I am not on /etc/sudoers
• 1418[10:17:41] <jelly> vinalencc: and you do not know root's password to be used with 'su', either?
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• 1420[10:18:00] <llimeht> folial: is aptitude currently functional at all? does "aptitude upgrade" want to do anything useful?
• 1421[10:18:18] <vinalencc> jelly: I know root's password, the problem is that it isn't accepted
• 1422[10:18:22] <folial> I usually don't use aptitude, just apt-get
• 1423[10:18:33] <jelly> vinalencc: okay, show the output of "su -"
• 1424[10:18:34] <folial> I try
• 1425[10:18:37] <fredbear> well, first you're gonna need some background in Extended Backus-Naur Form (EBNF)
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• 1430[10:19:14] <folial> LOL... aptitude does not start: it wants libstdc++.so.6
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• 1432[10:19:19] <folial> :)))
• 1433[10:19:36] <vinalencc> jelly: "su: Authentication failure" but I typed the right password
• 1434[10:19:38] <llimeht> yeah, I was afraid that might be the case
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• 1437[10:20:06] <jelly> vinalencc: can you switch to text console, Ctrl-Alt-F1, and log in there as root?
• 1438[10:20:27] <llimeht> folial: does "apt-get install libstdc++6" do anything other than complain about the current situation?
• 1439[10:20:28] <vinalencc> jelly: The same thing
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• 1443[10:22:02] <jelly> vinalencc: so effectively the password isn't that one, or something else is broken. Let's assume you're just using wrong password for whatever reason (different keyboard layout now and during installation when it asked you)
• 1444[10:22:10] <fredbear> folial: do you get an error when doing an apt-get upgrade/install/etc?
• 1445[10:22:12] <fredbear> on any package
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• 1447[10:22:22] <jelly> !ifrp
• 1448[10:22:22] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 1449[10:22:22] <LungXiNu> hmm
• 1450[10:22:24] <folial> yeah
• 1451[10:22:26] <jelly> vinalencc: ^^
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• 1453[10:22:40] <folial> I already tried "apt-get install libstdc++6", but it fails
• 1454[10:22:43] <folial> for the same reason
• 1455[10:22:53] <fredbear> is it complaining about some other package?
• 1456[10:22:53] <LungXiNu> lol
• 1457[10:22:54] <folial> fredbear: yes
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• 1459[10:23:01] <folial> many packages
• 1460[10:23:07] <jelly> LungXiNu: do you have a debian support question?
• 1461[10:23:08] <vinalencc> OK, thanks guys. I'll try it.
• 1462[10:23:11] <folial> apt-get install libstdc++6
• 1463[10:23:12] <fredbear> try doing: sudo dpkg --purge [package name]
• 1464[10:23:25] <fredbear> and keep purging until apt-get starts working
• 1465[10:23:28] <folial> replaced-url
• 1466[10:23:31] <fredbear> I had that happen on a ubuntu recently
• 1467[10:23:34] <folial> it is a huge lis
• 1468[10:23:37] <folial> *list
• 1469[10:23:42] <llimeht> fredbear, folial: no, don't do that
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• 1471[10:23:49] <folial> ok
• 1472[10:23:55] <folial> llimeht, got it
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• 1478[10:26:00] <folial> I fear I need to reinstall "stretch from scratch"....!!
• 1479[10:26:02] <llimeht> folial: is it possible you do have held packages there? (dpkg --get-selections)
• 1480[10:26:09] <folial> no held packages
• 1481[10:26:20] <llimeht> Or do you have out-of-debian packages there that would have a dependency on libstdc++6?
• 1482[10:26:48] <folial> llimeht, uhm... any way to check "out-of-debian" packages?
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• 1484[10:26:59] <llimeht> only with a working aptitude
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• 1486[10:27:13] <folial> wonderful!! :-)))
• 1487[10:27:37] <folial> for instance... I used some other sources... now I commented them
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• 1492[10:28:14] <folial> apt.dockerproject.org and apt.postgresql.org
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• 1494[10:28:24] <folial> I should uninstall what came from them?
• 1495[10:28:52] <llimeht> what does "apt-cache policy libstdc++6 gcc-6-base libc6 libgcc1 apt" output?
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• 1498[10:29:42] <folial> replaced-url
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• 1500[10:30:55] <folial> sorry guys, I have to go for a while... get back later
• 1501[10:31:17] <folial> thank you for the help, it is quite useful to understand how those dependencies work
• 1502[10:31:25] <folial> see you later
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• 1504[10:31:29] <llimeht> folial: I think your next step might be to download those two packages from that last command that aren't ugpraded yet and do so with dpkg
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• 1506[10:32:01] <llimeht> folial: the snag is that if I've missed a dependency in that chain, you will also break apt in the process...
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• 1508[10:32:27] <peterrooney> nvz: Solution found! it's a misfeature in gtk, first tried in the 2.0 adwaita theme but forced everywhere somewheres around 3.6 . I had to create .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini file, contents "[Settings] \n gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false"
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• 1513[10:35:36] <nvz> peterrooney: yeah i knew a gtk settings file would fix it just suggested maybe using a program since figuring out which setting to put in those files is a bitch
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• 1527[10:39:04] <peterrooney> nvz: Thank you!
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• 1542[10:46:31] <tdn> I have a debian repository that works fine for jessie. However, I just tried installing a jessie machine and added the signing key via apt-key and my repository as a source (all packages should be fine for both jessie and stretch). When I then try to install something from this repository, it says WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
• 1543[10:46:36] <tdn> What is the right way of adding a GPG key to apt trusted sources?
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• 1545[10:47:11] <rebooter> Hello
• 1546[10:47:19] <nvz> tdn: you have to apt/get update after adding a key
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• 1548[10:47:26] <rebooter> deedra is a fag
• 1549[10:47:41] <rebooter> but he's not on this chan
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• 1551[10:47:59] <rebooter> so lets have an AUTISTIC SEX PARTY with lots of NSFW PORN LINKS
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• 1556[10:48:05] <nvz> a fag is a bundle of sticks or slan for a cigarette
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• 1562[10:49:32] <nvz> ooo you got tha jelly :p
• 1563[10:49:56] <nvz> in us jails we call that a toss salad
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• 1567[10:51:55] <Frogmorton> Would you consider this a symptom or a cause? xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
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• 1569[10:52:48] <nvz> thats a symptom obviously of the kernel not permittting io
• 1570[10:53:08] <Frogmorton> So the graphics driver is not running?
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• 1572[10:53:34] <jelly> Frogmorton: which debian release
• 1573[10:53:51] <nvz> if you were to fret over everything the kernel complained about youd get nothing done
• 1574[10:53:54] <Frogmorton> Upgraded from jessie, badly
• 1575[10:54:10] <jelly> Frogmorton: is everything upgraded now or not?
• 1576[10:54:16] <Frogmorton> Well one of these complaints must tell me what to fix?
• 1577[10:54:37] <Frogmorton> I believe it has upgraded ok, just doesn't seem to load a graphics driver
• 1578[10:54:58] <nvz> jelly: he had installed nvidia 3rd party upgraded to stretch and now cant uninst nvidia cause he doesnt have the installer and deb and 3rd party drivers are clashing
• 1579[10:55:23] <Frogmorton> but it insists that I have the correct debian driver installed now
• 1580[10:55:36] <jelly> Frogmorton: show the whole log.
• 1581[10:56:09] <jelly> I'm assuming this is coming from Xorg
• 1582[10:56:26] <Frogmorton> Yes, around where things go bad
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• 1588[10:59:26] <Frogmorton> xorg log: replaced-url
• 1589[11:00:38] <Frogmorton> Would logind (or lack of) affect xorg or drivers or whatever?
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• 1595[11:03:47] <deedraRapesKids> deedra rapes kids
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• 1609[11:08:47] <Penta> Greetings! How can I remove the last 650 Pixel Rows in every image of a folder?
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• 1611[11:09:09] <nkuttler> Penta: imagemagick/graphicsmagick
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• 1615[11:09:50] <Penta> nkuttler that's an image editor though? :x I'd like a terminal command so I can do it for 29 images at once
• 1616[11:10:06] <nkuttler> Penta: no
• 1617[11:10:06] <LungXiNu> ?
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• 1620[11:11:08] <Frogmorton> You can problaby do that with powershell <ducks>
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• 1622[11:11:18] <jelly> LungXiNu: you show bot-like properties, I'm going to shunt you some place else. /msg me for details
• 1623[11:11:22] <nkuttler> Frogmorton: you are not helping
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• 1690[11:43:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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• 1697[11:49:48] <gry> hi, BluesKaj
• 1698[11:52:07] <BluesKaj> hi gry
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• 1703[11:55:11] <xormor> hi all. where do I find William "Bill" Tanksley? He developed omega-rpg the game.
• 1704[11:55:39] <bazhang> xormor, foss game?
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• 1707[11:55:47] <xormor> bazhang, yes.
• 1708[11:56:05] <bazhang> xormor, check the internet for his irc nick
• 1709[11:56:08] <xormor> bazhang, the game was released under LGPL 2.
• 1710[11:56:11] <xormor> bazhang, ok.
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• 1715[11:58:07] <xormor> bazhang, I Googled for it. Did not find it. I found a quote by him that he did presumably into a Perl forum or some such, perhaps a Newsgroup in the year of 2000.
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• 1719[11:58:32] <xormor> bazhang, replaced-url
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• 1721[11:58:39] <xormor> bazhang, it is a Python forum.
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• 1723[11:58:48] <bazhang> xormor, then check the project, see if they have a channel here
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• 1725[11:59:20] <bazhang> xormor, also ask alis /msg alis list term
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• 1800[12:57:53] <gry> i'd like to find or write an app to show a chart of the time i spend in different apps (say, termianl, firefox, music player, pdf viewer)
• 1801[12:58:00] <gry> terminal
• 1802[12:58:16] <gry> i try to look for it on the web but the results are rather irrelevant, perhaps because of the poor key words that i use
• 1803[12:58:53] <gry> i think it would be something to track using a window manager or something
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• 1806[12:59:26] <aksn> hi all. Is it recommended to migrate a debian server to v9 right now, or better wait a little?
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• 1810[13:00:00] <gry> i would migrate, unless it's a production server where a small mistake would be costly
• 1811[13:00:12] <aksn> it is a production server
• 1812[13:00:13] <gry> ust take a look at the release notes to see whether anyof it is highly affeting you
• 1813[13:00:16] <gry> ust
• 1814[13:00:19] <gry> affectin
• 1815[13:00:19] <aksn> a web server
• 1816[13:00:34] <aksn> what scares me is mysql to mariadb migration
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• 1818[13:02:36] <jelly> aksn: clone the production into test copy, verify clone works, do jessie->stretch on that, verify again
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• 1821[13:04:02] <aksn> jelly, you're right, that's what I wanted to avoid, because I'd have to put some web pages offline to do the disc image
• 1822[13:04:33] <jelly> do you have backups? You can restore the clone from backups of original
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• 1824[13:05:01] <jelly> it usually does not matter for testing that the data be up to date
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• 1829[13:06:20] <aksn> jelly, I have data backups, but I wouldn't know how to replicate all the installed packages and configurations without a disc image
• 1830[13:06:54] <jelly> aksn: so... what would you do with those backups in case of a disaster?
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• 1832[13:07:49] <aksn> jelly, cry. and redo a lot of work :-/
• 1833[13:07:53] <aksn> hehe
• 1834[13:08:00] <jelly> why are you not backing up _everything_
• 1835[13:08:45] <aksn> I'll have to do it, I'm afraid. I'm just waiting for a 2,7 TB disc for it...
• 1836[13:09:34] <aksn> just wanted to know if any of you had good/bad experiences migrating a web server from v8 to v9, from mysql to mariadb...
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• 1838[13:11:56] <jelly> I only have anecdotal experience with one small installation and simple database (no stored procedures, no replication, mostly just tables) that worked without any issue
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• 1841[13:12:51] <aksn> jelly, I appreciate your comments
• 1842[13:13:03] <jelly> if said web server has some sort of interpreted backend, like php or perl, make damn sure the app will work with newer versions of everything
• 1843[13:13:35] <jelly> perl goes from 5.20 to 5.24, php from 5.6 to 7.0, ruby... eh, who cares about ruby
• 1844[13:13:53] <aksn> it's just several PHP+MySQL webapps
• 1845[13:14:42] <aksn> moodle, wordpress, drupal... mostly that
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• 1848[13:17:11] <turol> are there an up-to-date instructions on how to set up strech live usb with persistence?
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• 1850[13:17:34] <jelly> don't think it's mysql->maria you should worry about there, but rather all the php stuff
• 1851[13:18:04] <turol> i tried creating a partition labeled "persistence" on the usb stick and booting with "persistence" option but it doesn't seem to work
• 1852[13:18:13] <BluesKaj> !persistence
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• 1854[13:18:36] <BluesKaj> hmm no bot info
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• 1856[13:18:45] <aksn> all webapps are up to date, they should support php 7.0 out of the box
• 1857[13:19:00] <aksn> but you're right it's risky as well
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• 1868[13:24:23] <jelly> turol: which fs type did you use for that partition
• 1869[13:24:31] <turol> jelly: ext4
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• 1876[13:27:15] <turol> BluesKaj: that seems to be mostly the same thing i did
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• 1880[13:27:33] <turol> except they unpack the image so they can add persistence to default boot options
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• 1882[13:27:50] <turol> i just created the partition and set the option from grub prompt
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• 1893[13:32:02] <BluesKaj> turol, TBH I've never tried a persistence on any removeable media
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• 1922[13:48:06] <LordCrayon> hullo
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• 1924[13:49:05] <LordCrayon> I have a problem running gnome-tweak-tool. Something to do with gi not having module repository
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• 1963[14:20:44] <aguitel> trying apt update and say this : replaced-url
• 1964[14:20:49] <aguitel> why this ?
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• 1966[14:21:30] <nkuttler> aguitel: ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ?
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• 1968[14:22:39] <aguitel> nkuttler, same error
• 1969[14:23:09] <Brigo> aguitel, ?
• 1970[14:23:19] <aguitel> yeap
• 1971[14:23:24] <Brigo> do it as root, then
• 1972[14:23:26] <nkuttler> aguitel: ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ?
• 1973[14:23:42] <nkuttler> ls doesn't output that error..
• 1974[14:24:39] <nkuttler> did you break your /etc permissions? ls -ld /etc
• 1975[14:24:46] <aguitel> error continue
• 1976[14:24:58] <aguitel> i did nothing
• 1977[14:25:04] <nkuttler> aguitel: and will you ever reveal the error?
• 1978[14:25:10] <aguitel> this is new system strech
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• 1981[14:26:07] <Brigo> aguitel, root can read the file not matter what, so it can't give that error.
• 1982[14:26:45] <nkuttler> well. if you really wanted to you could prevent root from reading it
• 1983[14:27:04] <aguitel> and
• 1984[14:27:32] <Brigo> nkuttler, then we can safely stop helping. :)
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• 1987[14:28:25] <Brigo> aguitel, we are guessing a problem with permissions. So we will want to know the output of that ls commands.
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• 1989[14:29:14] <aguitel> aguitel@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
• 1990[14:29:14] <aguitel> -rw------- 1 root root 32 Jun 21 12:00 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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• 1992[14:29:34] <nkuttler> aguitel: yeah... so, as root, chmod +r /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
• 1993[14:29:56] <nkuttler> but if that's wrong you have probably messed up more stuff..
• 1994[14:31:11] <aguitel> nkuttler, what stuff ?
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• 1996[14:31:40] <nkuttler> just don't worry about it for now
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• 1998[14:31:52] <aguitel> apt upgrade
• 1999[14:31:52] <apt> Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
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• 2002[14:32:03] <aguitel> ok
• 2003[14:32:40] <maxxe> am impressed by the robustness of stretch
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• 2062[14:55:13] <mrr0butt> replaced-url
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• 2064[14:55:52] <mrr0butt> this fuuu image makes an install without adding user to sudoers and disabling root login
• 2065[14:55:52] <jayarcs> For anyone that likes a dark/black theme for Gnome, I recently forked Adapta for my own needs and if you can build the theme, it can work for you too... replaced-url
• 2066[14:56:03] <jayarcs> Criticisms and pull requests always enjoyed.
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• 2072[14:59:11] <abrotman> mrr0butt: easy enough to recover from
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• 2081[15:02:57] <mrr0butt> and live mode boots into initram disk
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• 2084[15:04:09] <mrr0butt> and the istalation says that it cant recognise distribution version
• 2085[15:04:36] <abrotman> I meant you could do it from grub
• 2086[15:05:34] <mrr0butt> 9.0.1 = stable
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• 2088[15:05:56] <abrotman> dpkg: tell mrr0butt about ifrp
• 2089[15:06:47] <mrr0butt> ifrp?
• 2090[15:07:24] <abrotman> see what the bot told you
• 2091[15:07:34] <mrr0butt> nothing
• 2092[15:07:53] <mrr0butt> dpkg ifrp
• 2093[15:07:53] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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• 2100[15:12:53] <jayarcs> Screenshot of aforementioned Gnome black theme: replaced-url
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• 2116[15:19:47] <mrr0butt> nice jayarcs
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• 2118[15:20:05] <jayarcs> Thanks much
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• 2122[15:22:06] <aguitel> live debian 9.01 is correct way to install in other pc ?
• 2123[15:22:23] <mrr0butt> is this a one of the default gnome themes?
• 2124[15:23:10] <mrr0butt> live debian 9.01 is like ubuntu
• 2125[15:23:30] <jayarcs> It's and adaptation of Adapta, another great theme by Tista500 who is most to thank for all this code.
• 2126[15:23:32] <jayarcs> replaced-url
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• 2128[15:23:48] <mrr0butt> ahh nice thx
• 2129[15:23:55] <jayarcs> I wanted a more mono/black version so that's what I've forked off and created, calling it Adaptdark
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• 2131[15:24:19] <mrr0butt> love it
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• 2133[15:24:40] <Haxxa> Hey folks, can anyone help me from here: replaced-url
• 2134[15:24:41] <at0m> aguitel: live CD is not maintained for many years. it's not the way to install.
• 2135[15:24:58] <jayarcs> Adapta is one of the most complete and nicely written Gnome/other wm themes IMO
• 2136[15:25:08] <aguitel> at0m, ok
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• 2138[15:25:41] <mrr0butt> hmmm but its not what i expect from a steble release image
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• 2155[15:31:32] <dontknow> everyone switched to stretch
• 2156[15:31:35] <dontknow> ?
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• 2158[15:31:49] <at0m> yes, everyone.
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• 2160[15:32:20] <at0m> debian.org now manages your installs.
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• 2168[15:35:24] <nostalgiccloud> h-hai
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• 2171[15:37:21] <ChunkzZ> dontknow: most yeah
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• 2173[15:37:55] <aguitel> msg/dpkg jessie>stretch
• 2174[15:38:11] <hiroki> Kim Jong-Un didn't switch to Stretch yet though..
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• 2178[15:39:18] <ChunkzZ> That's why I said most lol hiroki
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• 2183[15:41:07] <thm> hi. redis from stretch running on an VZ kernel 3.16 fails with status=226/NAMESPACE. any idea wihich of the new systemd features is causing this? already tried disabling PrivateDevices, PrivateTmp, PrivateHome, ProtectSystem, without success.
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• 2188[15:43:58] <danielh1234> thm: which systemd version do you use?
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• 2190[15:44:18] <thm> danielh1234: 232-25
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• 2197[15:48:00] <danielh1234> thm: sorry, no good idea then. The recent update on unstable broke Docker for me, I had to add a boot option `systemd.legacy_systemd_cgroup_controller=yes`. (Docker also does some cgroupy stuff in addition to setting up namespaces.) Since you have an older version, this is probably not the solution. Might give it a try though, if everything else fails.
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• 2249[16:09:58] <Kristjan55555> Hello! Hot 33 year old male from viljandi, estonia searching for wife, send me your cunt pictures first! Tel 37253902210 email: kristjan55555@mail.ee. I am waiting.....
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• 2263[16:14:51] <jhutchins> at0m: Your information on the live CDs is incorrect.
• 2264[16:15:10] <jhutchins> at0m: They have been updated for this release to include EFI compatibility.
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• 2274[16:25:10] <rendar> i share a directory with nfs, this directory is from /home/rendar so files has rw-r-r permissions usually, but when shared on NFS they will be read-only on Windows, because nfs is not the owner of those files, how i can fix this problem?
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• 2284[16:28:42] <webley> hi
• 2285[16:28:55] <webley> are there filesystems (zfs?) with integrated checksums/file itnegrity checks?
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• 2316[16:48:43] <petn-randall> webley: AFAIK only zfs and btrfs have it to some extent.
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• 2319[16:49:19] <webley> petn-randall: zfs <3
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• 2332[17:04:38] <sbefi98> _guios, bitch
• 2333[17:04:53] <sbefi98> _Tristan-Speccy_, your wife is a prostitute
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• 2337[17:06:33] <fasdfd> I wish there was a truly black theme for gnome
• 2338[17:06:48] <fasdfd> not just gray and sometimes small part black
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• 2345[17:09:23] <aguitel> "There is no public key available" i solved with this command:sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553
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• 2348[17:10:35] <abrotman> fasdfd: there's a whole themese site
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• 2351[17:11:05] <fasdfd> is there something like it?
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• 2363[17:19:25] <nvz> there are actually numerous whole theme sites
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• 2366[17:20:57] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've tried to install the fglrx driver on my thinkpad but that doesn't work, now i want to switch back to the radeon drivers... i've remove the packages and also the /etc/modprobe.d/ think that tells me not to load the radeon drivers but i still get a max resolution of 640x480 :( :(
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• 2368[17:21:56] <rocketmagnet> grub also uses the wrong drivers because the solution is also 640x480 there
• 2369[17:23:20] <rocketmagnet> can someone point me to the right direction ?
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• 2376[17:24:43] <nvz> as a thinkpad user you have the advantage of thinkwiki.com
• 2377[17:25:12] <larvallid> are there plans to make "flat-volumes = no" the default? who should i contact to get this changed?
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• 2380[17:25:32] <abrotman> larvallid: wishlist bug on the package
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• 2384[17:26:44] <larvallid> abrotman, does a wishlist mean there's no set date for it to be implemented?
• 2385[17:27:00] <nvz> i spent way too long fooling with setterm colors they all suck
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• 2423[17:49:45] <nvz> can i make use of pxz/pigz/pbzip2 for speeding up apt on a quad core?
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• 2428[17:55:52] <Silmaril> nvz: speeding up which part ?
• 2429[17:56:34] <nvz> the unpacking obviously
• 2430[17:56:44] <nvz> yhats the slow part
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• 2434[17:58:01] <nvz> i did apt-get install xserver-xorg and spend 17s downloading 7min unpacking and 1min setting up
• 2435[17:58:43] <nvz> i got plenty more to install, if i can make use of my other 3 cores it'd go a lot faster
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• 2440[18:01:08] <Silmaril> nvz: what kind of storage ? i doubt it's the uncompressing part that's taking so long, it's probably more the file creation and setup
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• 2442[18:01:43] <nvz> its usb sata
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• 2446[18:03:08] <nvz> which should be at least ten times faster in any io category than the crappy kingston sd i installed to before that took almost 24 hrs
• 2447[18:03:25] <Silmaril> that's not the storage type, it's the interface
• 2448[18:03:31] <Silmaril> but still it's usb
• 2449[18:03:50] <Silmaril> and if i deduce correctly it's on a raspberrypi ?
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• 2451[18:03:59] <nvz> orange pi lite
• 2452[18:04:25] <nvz> its a hdd, sata, usb 2.0
• 2453[18:04:47] <nvz> nothing else on the bus but this wireless keyboard remote
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• 2460[18:08:19] <Silmaril> nvz: look at the iowait (using iostat & all) should give a good indicator of the root cause
• 2461[18:08:40] <Silmaril> but it lok like the orange pi usb/sata interface isn't particulary good
• 2462[18:09:50] <jelly> nvz: pigz and pbzip2 need the compression to be done with those to benefit from parallel decompression. Never tried pxz.
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• 2466[18:10:40] <teraflops> Silmaril: generally, using sata through usb 2.0 sucks
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• 2468[18:10:51] <Silmaril> teraflops: yep, i know
• 2469[18:10:59] <nvz> i did that everything was zeros, sys never went above 2% and idle never went below 50% stayed between 74-98% idle during unacking, io wait didnt start until the setting up phase
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• 2471[18:11:27] <teraflops> I wouldn't blame orange pi specifically
• 2472[18:11:41] <nvz> the stats said compression was the problem
• 2473[18:11:46] <teraflops> also, there are oprange pi models with real sata…
• 2474[18:12:20] <nvz> not really i believe the ones with sata ports are on the usb bus
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• 2476[18:12:32] <Silmaril> in any cause i don't think you can override the dpkg uncompression code
• 2477[18:13:41] <nvz> Silmaril: are you running windows? heh
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• 2479[18:15:09] <nvz> if its all hardcoded in perl it wouldnt be as easy as if it called zip utils but nothing is can't in debian, its all open source
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• 2482[18:17:20] <nvz> only things i knew was it wasnt lacking resources, it was going slow, unpacking was the bottleneck, and debs are ar archives, and somone told me there are some parallel compression utils.
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• 2484[18:18:01] <nvz> if those utils can read deb ar archives and if dpkg can easily be made to use them is what i wasnt sure of
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• 2486[18:18:46] <nvz> i know efforts had been made to speed up apt but apt-fast just speeds up the download which is the fastest part of the process already
• 2487[18:19:45] <nvz> which is how i know its not io or the disk.. i can download large amounts of data in seconds
• 2488[18:20:27] <jelly> your machine just has really crappy single-threaded and memory bw performance
• 2489[18:21:00] <jelly> (in other words, this is normal)
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• 2491[18:21:21] <nvz> i havent done extensive random read/write testing but id guess its between 3 and 11mb/s at least when my last go on this kingston sd was probably topping out at 0.7mb/s
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• 2493[18:21:40] <nvz> jelly: you cant blame a guy for tryin.. heh
• 2494[18:22:57] <nvz> and the hardware as i said is quad core 1.2ghz, and the ram is ddr3
• 2495[18:23:26] <nvz> honestly since the one core doing the lifting wasnt even above 10% in use idk wth the problem is
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• 2497[18:23:31] <jelly> on x86, eatmydata gives some relief, but that's for writing lots of files to disk and updating dpkg database at expense of consistency
• 2498[18:23:45] <nvz> everything i looked at was mostly idle
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• 2500[18:24:19] <jelly> 75% idle in linux parlance means "one of four cores fully loaded"
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• 2502[18:25:03] <nvz> or that each is about 6.25% :p
• 2503[18:25:38] <nvz> i watched iostat and htop
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• 2505[18:26:14] <jelly> iostat only shows aggregated value where 100% is all cpus
• 2506[18:26:24] <jelly> no idea what htop shows
• 2507[18:26:37] <nvz> i'm going to continue installing gui components i guess at whatever speed it can
• 2508[18:26:38] <jelly> with top you can press '1'
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• 2510[18:26:55] <nvz> htop always shows the cpu/mem/load stats on top
• 2511[18:27:01] <jelly> you could try eatmydata and see if there's any difference
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• 2513[18:27:22] <jelly> nvz: but does it show aggregation or per-cpu
• 2514[18:27:53] <nvz> hmm its in armhf.. sound ominous
• 2515[18:28:29] <jelly> atop also shows both for cpus (by default)
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• 2517[18:28:51] <nvz> it says it makes apps faster and no longer crash safe
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• 2519[18:29:34] <nvz> heh. the xulong kernel i tried first had horrible oom issues so i delt with plenty crashes up to this point
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• 2521[18:30:24] <linux_explorer> is Debian 9 as out of the box and beginner friendly as some other distros?
• 2522[18:30:28] <graytron> what's the difference between "deb replaced-url
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• 2524[18:30:33] <linux_explorer> I am eager to try Debian.
• 2525[18:30:44] <nvz> its worth a shot i suppose.. maybe i should remove xorg, clean, and reinstall since i know how long that took
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• 2527[18:31:47] <linux_explorer> or could someone suggest me a Debian stable based distro that is out of the box, easy to install and operate and beginner friendly.
• 2528[18:31:52] <linux_explorer> ?
• 2529[18:32:12] <nvz> linux_explorer: in here we recommend one called debian stable
• 2530[18:32:20] <abrotman> linux_explorer: Debian, otherwise, try ##linux
• 2531[18:32:42] <jelly> graytron: the second one is incorrect, and the first one is also not really right, but it works
• 2532[18:32:50] <graytron> replaced-url
• 2533[18:33:29] <linux_explorer> I saw one in distrowatch. Sparky Linux, based on Debian stable. Will it be as stable as Debian 9?
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• 2536[18:34:12] <nvz> linux_explorer: you misunderstand this channel, we are debian users discussing and supporting debian not other distros based on debian
• 2537[18:34:16] <jelly> graytron: that looks different from previous releases.
• 2538[18:34:29] <graytron> jelly: so debian stable installed incorrect deb lines for security updates? doh!
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• 2541[18:34:48] <jelly> linux_explorer: we don't know what derivatives distros add or change, so it's hard to say
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• 2543[18:35:45] <nvz> actually now that i think of it i dont have to clean because the downloading wasnt the slow part.
• 2544[18:35:55] <teraflops> linux_explorer: try it and see
• 2545[18:36:10] <teraflops> linux_explorer: use a VM if you want
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• 2547[18:36:50] <graytron> jelly: correction: strecth installed the first one, that works, but errata mentions that i should use the second one which is incorrect?
• 2548[18:36:53] <nvz> linux_explorer: there are live debian images that you can use and install from
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• 2551[18:37:19] <nvz> linux_explorer: but debian installer is quite good
• 2552[18:37:32] <mrr0butt> gaytron :D
• 2553[18:37:46] <linux_explorer> but, afaik, debian is only for experts. Not for beginners, I suppose.
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• 2555[18:37:49] <jelly> graytron: I'll have to test to see it that works. It does look different from what previous releases used, but I don't know whether it's really wrong or not
• 2556[18:38:21] <mrr0butt> linux_explorer no debian is very newfag friendly
• 2557[18:38:33] <jelly> graytron: so yeah... what the errata say... has an error :-)
• 2558[18:38:45] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 2559[18:38:45] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2560[18:38:54] <jelly> graytron: ^^
• 2561[18:39:13] <graytron> jelly: thanks a lot!
• 2562[18:39:18] <jelly> graytron: note how line two different from both your options :-)
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• 2567[18:39:37] <nvz> linux_explorer: thats not really true, the main difference between debian and major derivitives like *buntu, mint, etc is out priorities take a look at http:''replaced-url
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• 2569[18:39:43] <abrotman> mrr0butt: inappropriate, come on...
• 2570[18:40:20] <nvz> linux_explorer: debians priorities are to provide a stable and free os that is well documented and supported on as many platforms as possible
• 2571[18:40:33] <jelly> mrr0butt: keep off 4chan lingo in here
• 2572[18:41:20] <linux_explorer> ok
• 2573[18:41:43] <nvz> linux_explorer: ubuntu for example keeps a 6mo release schedule to try keep new software coming in regularly where we believe stability and security fixes trump new versions and we have a when its ready approach not based on a time schedule
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• 2575[18:43:05] <linux_explorer> nvz: that is why we see so many distros based on debian.
• 2576[18:43:20] <linux_explorer> probably it is the most stable base.
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• 2579[18:44:30] <nvz> linux_explorer: based on debian ,eans all these distros believe we have a good thing, they are compromising our values by offering the same stuff we do but modifying it in a way that leads to more bugs and more difficulty in long term support and testing
• 2580[18:44:30] <linux_explorer> replaced-url
• 2581[18:44:42] <linux_explorer> can I download from this link?
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• 2583[18:45:33] <nvz> linux_explorer: yes, that is one of the live versions you can try before you install.
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• 2585[18:45:56] <linux_explorer> so, I should go for debian proper. Not any derivatives.
• 2586[18:46:08] <linux_explorer> I thought of trying Sparky Linux.
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• 2588[18:46:21] <teraflops> linux_explorer: did you expect a different suggestion here?
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• 2590[18:46:34] <nvz> linux_explorer: keep in mind user interface choices are available we have several full featured desktop environments you can use not just the one on the live image
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• 2592[18:47:08] <linux_explorer> ok. Which DE is the most intuitive for a beginner? and also most well integrated with Debian 9?
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• 2596[18:47:53] <linux_explorer> I will go with Debian 9 only.
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• 2600[18:48:28] <linux_explorer> btw, how is opensuse as compared to debian?
• 2601[18:48:30] <nvz> linux_explorer: im oldschool and like Mate which is based on gnome 2 personally but you may just as well like any of them and you can in fact install as many as you like and switch between them from the login screen
• 2602[18:48:49] <linux_explorer> ok
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• 2606[18:49:50] <ChunkzZ> linux_explorer:
• 2607[18:49:57] <ChunkzZ> Lxqt
• 2608[18:50:21] <linux_explorer> ok
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• 2610[18:50:53] <nvz> i think you mean LXDE
• 2611[18:50:53] <linux_explorer> since, it is possible to try as many DEs, I'll try them and see.
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• 2613[18:51:07] <jelly> ,i lxqt
• 2614[18:51:08] <judd> Package lxqt (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: Metapackage for LXQt. Version: 13; Size: 3.5k; Installed: 10k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2615[18:51:25] <linux_explorer> why lxqt?
• 2616[18:51:34] <nvz> the ones i know of are Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE,and Mate but there may be others now
• 2617[18:51:36] <jelly> it's light weighy
• 2618[18:52:01] <nvz> case in point.. i never heard of lxqt
• 2619[18:52:04] <nvz> heh
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• 2621[18:52:38] <linux_explorer> I can't see one with lxqt in the list of files there on that link.
• 2622[18:52:53] <linux_explorer> but, once I install on my laptop, I'll try lxqt also.
• 2623[18:53:05] <linux_explorer> how is xfce as compared to mate?
• 2624[18:53:29] <teraflops> both are pretty ugly :P
• 2625[18:53:31] <ChunkzZ> nvz: nope, LXQt.
• 2626[18:53:38] <nvz> its more lightweight and pretty much as configurable but not quite as featureful
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• 2630[18:54:06] <teraflops> nvz: heh lxqt existed for years
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• 2634[18:54:29] <linux_explorer> ok. I will download one with mate, then.
• 2635[18:54:38] <nvz> you can also as you try stuff out eventually mix and match stuff if you wanted.. if you liked xfce but preferred mates filemanager or panels, you can do that
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• 2637[18:55:09] <linux_explorer> nvz: ok
• 2638[18:55:35] <nvz> teraflops: i dont actually use DEs.. im most comfortable in screen in console or a powerful but minimal wm like sawfish
• 2639[18:55:55] <jmcnaught> if the computer is not >10 years old then gnome3 is very good for new users
• 2640[18:55:56] <nvz> teraflops: those session managers and crap are not my thing
• 2641[18:55:57] <teraflops> fair enough
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• 2643[18:56:39] <nvz> when i do use a DE i'm most comfortable using MATE with sawfish as the wm
• 2644[18:56:51] * teraflops agrees with jmcnaught
• 2645[18:56:52] <nvz> like it used to be long ago.. heh
• 2646[18:57:01] <linux_explorer> ok
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• 2648[18:57:35] <jmcnaught> gnome and kde are probably the most mature, featureful and polished, they all have their merits
• 2649[18:57:50] <nvz> i lost interest in DEs when gnome ditched sawfish for megashitty because apparently themes are more important than functionality
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• 2651[18:59:56] <nvz> jelly: how does this thing work anyhow is it like a daemon or something? do i need to do more than install eatmydata?
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• 2655[19:00:19] <jelly> you also need to use it.
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• 2657[19:00:34] <nvz> heh so i need to read the docs in other words
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• 2660[19:01:15] <nvz> ah its more of a wrapper
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• 2663[19:02:51] <jelly> if you install/upgrade services with apt wrapped in eaymydata, the services will keep using it and be unsafe, so then a reboot is needed
• 2664[19:03:07] <nvz> well thats even more ominous having to actually tell it to eat my data
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• 2668[19:04:06] <nvz> jelly: ah so it'll affect child processes and spaned processes too.. interesting
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• 2670[19:04:39] <nvz> that cant be right.. it toook less than 2minutes
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• 2672[19:06:00] <nvz> ok so i did apt-get remove xserver-xorg then apt-get auto-remove then eatmydata apt-get install xserver-xorg and it seems it was more than 4x faster with eatmydata
• 2673[19:06:14] <nvz> thats amazing
• 2674[19:08:47] <jelly> dpkg is _very_ conservative during installation and especially during its database update, lots of fsync/fdatasync
• 2675[19:08:47] <dpkg> jelly: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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• 2677[19:08:59] <jelly> dpkg: be quiet
• 2678[19:08:59] <dpkg> Ah, shuddup.
• 2679[19:08:59] <hiroki> Using Stretch (all pkgs updated) I can't seem to get the network interface UP after a reboot automatically. After booting up I have to manually restart systemd-networkd before the network interface is up and running. Anyone got a clue ?
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• 2683[19:09:44] <linux_explorer> do distros like Ubuntu or Mint make Linux OS usable by beginners? how much value they add? both of them are based on debian.
• 2684[19:09:55] <hiroki> Steps -> rm /etc/network/interface ; systemctl stop networking ; systemctl disable network ; systemctl enable systemd-networkd ; reboot
• 2685[19:10:32] <nvz> jelly: thanks for tellling me about that.. this is gonna be my new best friend. heh. i just gotta remember it when something goes wrong so im not chasing phantoms
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• 2687[19:10:37] <hiroki> -Correct- Steps -> rm /etc/network/interfaces ; systemctl stop networking ; systemctl disable networking ; systemctl enable systemd-networkd ; reboot
• 2688[19:11:16] <nvz> jelly: ill try it on firefox later see if it can speed that beast up any
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• 2690[19:11:21] <jelly> nvz: if the machine crashes during or immediately after install, you might not only have a partial installation but a completely broken dpkg db
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• 2696[19:12:26] <jelly> hiroki: is "systemctl disable networking" enough to completely stop ifupdown from doing anything at boot?
• 2697[19:12:45] <jmcnaught> hiroki: instead of disabling networking.service you can just comment out all stanzas except the one for lo. do you still have something bringing up lo?
• 2698[19:13:00] <nvz> yeah well considering the time it can potentially save me installing everything if i have to start over it wont be a crying matter. i wouldnt use it with apt on regular basis just to speed up the initial install
• 2699[19:13:08] <jelly> hiroki: I'm assuming you made another typo there
• 2700[19:13:11] <hiroki> jelly: I guess. One can also remove the package ifupdown if you don't need it at all anymore
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• 2702[19:13:44] <hiroki> jmcnaught: I tried that as well, leaving only lo in /etc/network/interfaces. And also leaving 'auto eth0' in there
• 2703[19:13:51] <nvz> plus aptitude is pretty clever with fixing those things
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• 2707[19:14:26] <jmcnaught> hiroki: do you have anything else installed that configures the network? I just followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz and it worked
• 2708[19:14:30] <jelly> hiroki: I wouldn't leave replacement of a critical component to guessing
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• 2710[19:14:47] <hiroki> jmcnaught: let me re-read it..
• 2711[19:15:31] <hiroki> jelly: I removed the pkg ifupdown, seems to work here. The only thing i'm having trouble with is getting my interface up automatically post-reboot. However, the situation stays the same, with or without the pkg 'ifupdown'
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• 2714[19:17:03] <jelly> hiroki: what does "systemctl status systemd-networkd" say after reboot before you do anything manual with it
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• 2717[19:17:53] <hiroki> jmcnaught: i'm getting somewhere.. I use a .link file to rename the interface based on it's MAC address. I'm renaming it to 'sal'. However, if I change that to 'eth0' instead and reboot, all comes up automatically. If i revert the name 'eth0' to 'sal', post-reboot it doesn't come up automatically...
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• 2722[19:18:27] <hiroki> jelly: 'Starting Network Service' . 'Enumeration completed'
• 2723[19:18:47] <hiroki> 'Started Network Service' . 'eth0: Renamed to sal'
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• 2727[19:19:31] <jmcnaught> hiroki: can you make a paste of the .link and .network files, along with the complete output of "systemctl status systemd-networkd ; networkctl list" after a reboot
• 2728[19:19:34] <jmcnaught> ?
• 2729[19:19:35] <hiroki> networkctl reports for interface 'sal' that it's unmanaged and off. 'ip a' confirms that the interface is indeed down
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• 2731[19:19:42] <hiroki> jmcnaught: sure, hold on
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• 2735[19:20:03] <edju> Is anyone using hplip on a wireless hp printer? If so, are you using hplip from the repositories - 3.14.6 - or from hp - 3.17.something? I have 3.14.6 and the printer just spita out blank pages.
• 2736[19:20:17] <edju> Using Jessie.
• 2737[19:20:38] <jelly> who's sal
• 2738[19:20:39] <edju> spita - spits.
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• 2740[19:21:03] <jelly> dpkg, tell hiroki about paste
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• 2743[19:22:40] <faheem> Hi. I'm looking for someone to reproduce a possible bug on stretch, Plasma 5, two monitors. I'm running the proprietary Nvidia drivers.
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• 2748[19:24:45] <jelly> faheem: what kind of bug? I run xfce at the moment but the rest matches (one monitor and one tv connected, nvidia-dkms from stretch)
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• 2750[19:25:17] <jelly> nvidia-kernel-dkms *
• 2751[19:25:49] <hiroki> jmcnaught: jelly: replaced-url
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• 2754[19:26:53] <faheem> Hi jelly. What do they call those icons that appear in the panel when an application/program is active?
• 2755[19:27:10] <faheem> Those should correspond exactly to the programs, right?
• 2756[19:27:26] <faheem> However, under the following circumstances, I don't.
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• 2758[19:28:13] <faheem> Start up konsole. Run a video viewing program from inside konsole. Either mpv or mplayer2 works for me. If the video window is not full screen, everything is fine.
• 2759[19:28:14] <jelly> that used to be the "task bar" or "task list", I forgot what kde called it
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• 2761[19:28:36] <faheem> If it is full screen, then an extra icon appears on the panel.
• 2762[19:28:53] <faheem> Just now it was the icon of a program that was recently running, but is no longer.
• 2763[19:29:18] <faheem> Oh, and it's full screen on the left screen.
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• 2765[19:29:32] <missmbob> so glad ifconfig isnt default in stretch.
• 2766[19:29:37] <jelly> and you keep the panel on the right screen
• 2767[19:29:58] <faheem> Ues.Yes, the panel is at the bottom of the right screen.
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• 2771[19:30:34] <faheem> I don't know if the bug shows up if the video is full screen on the right screen, because the video hides the panel.
• 2772[19:31:03] <jelly> faheem: care for a screenshot while I install kde again
• 2773[19:31:13] <faheem> This is a fairly peculiar bug, but I can reliably reproduce it.
• 2774[19:31:16] <jmcnaught> hiroki: but you say it works if you change the Name=sa1 to Name=eth0 in both the .link and .network files?
• 2775[19:31:25] <faheem> jelly: sorry, not following.
• 2776[19:31:32] <faheem> Was that a question?
• 2777[19:31:41] <jmcnaught> hiroki: is this system an upgrade from jessie or a fresh install?
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• 2780[19:32:10] <faheem> My guess is that it is a Plasma thing. I've already run into one other Plasma bug in the two days I've been running stretch.
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• 2782[19:32:26] <jelly> faheem: I'll have to switch over to kde to look it up. In the meantime, can you upload a screenshot somewhere
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• 2786[19:33:07] <faheem> jelly: I'm not sure the screenshot will do much for you. Were the instructions not clear?
• 2787[19:33:12] <hiroki> jmcnaught: yes that's right, changing the name sal to eth0 and rebooting again makes all work well again. It's a vanilla jessie that got upgraded to stretch right away (so no in between modifications)
• 2788[19:33:21] <jelly> faheem: they were.
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• 2792[19:34:21] <faheem> jelly, Just give it a try. I can clarify if necessary.
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• 2797[19:35:01] <faheem> Oh, and the other thing is that the icons all get scrambled. It isn't just that an extra icon appears.
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• 2799[19:35:24] <faheem> The icons no longer correspond to the correct windows. It's quite weird.
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• 2802[19:35:39] <faheem> BTW, this is an upgrade from jessie. But that probably isn't relevant.
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• 2805[19:36:33] <jmcnaught> hiroki: NetworkManager, wicd, connman etc. all disabled/uninstalled? One relevant difference between a jessie upgrade and a fresh stretch install is this: replaced-url
• 2806[19:36:50] <faheem> For example, right now the Konsole icon is opening and closing the Hexchat program. :-(
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• 2809[19:37:14] <hiroki> jmcnaught: networkmanager, wicd, connman, all not installed. It was a Jessie minimal install.
• 2810[19:38:04] <jelly> faheem: so it's a refresh issue and/or overlap issue
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• 2812[19:38:27] <faheem> jelly: not sure what it is. Are you in KDE now?
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• 2830[19:41:57] <faheem> jelly: ping?
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• 2836[19:45:27] <jelly> and they never heard of him again
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• 2839[19:46:08] <jelly> sorry, my irc window is like 90% transparent in kde at that makes things really annoying
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• 2841[19:46:43] <faheem> jelly: new install, or upgrade?
• 2842[19:47:03] <faheem> So, did you try doing a reproduction?
• 2843[19:47:47] <mrr0butt> wow with old style netiface name networkmanager suddenly is able connect to wlan
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• 2849[19:49:22] <jelly> faheem: task manager does not make a mess when I full-screen a mpv on second screen
• 2850[19:49:44] <faheem> jelly, Left side screen?
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• 2853[19:50:12] <jelly> my second screen is on right side right now
• 2854[19:50:12] <faheem> And you have Konsole on the right screen?
• 2855[19:50:24] <jelly> other way round
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• 2859[19:50:47] <faheem> And you are running mpv from inside konsole? Though I don't know if that makes a difference.
• 2860[19:51:00] <faheem> Let me try starting it up using ALt-2
• 2861[19:51:06] <jelly> faheem: but that shouldn't matter. is you right screen set as primary?
• 2862[19:51:23] <jelly> yes, mpv started from a shell in konsole
• 2863[19:51:41] <faheem> jelly, Is my right screen set as primary? Sorry, I don't know what that means.
• 2864[19:51:45] <faheem> What is primary?
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• 2869[19:52:40] <jelly> faheem: System Settings -> Hardware -> Display and Monitor -> Primary display:
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• 2871[19:52:58] <faheem> jelly, ok, one sec.
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• 2873[19:53:54] <faheem> jelly, my left hand screen is listed as primary.
• 2874[19:54:09] <faheem> It should be the right one, but if I change it, I'm sure it will screw something up.
• 2875[19:54:22] <jelly> panels might move
• 2876[19:55:01] <faheem> Yes, possibly.
• 2877[19:55:25] <jelly> which task manager widget are you using actually?
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• 2879[19:55:59] <faheem> Actually, the panel was on the left monitor. I dragged it to the right monitor. But that doesn't explain this bug.
• 2880[19:56:10] <faheem> jelly, Sorry, again I don't know.
• 2881[19:56:26] <faheem> You mean the icons?
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• 2883[19:56:53] <jelly> faheem: yes. right click on those, possibly on an empty space in that widget
• 2884[19:56:55] <LtL> Question, according to the wiki, stretch xorg the system needs to support Kernel Mode Setting (KMS). on boot my laptop says kms disabled in BIOS. I cant find anything related to KMS in my bios.. also /proc/cpuinfo flags show no kms. does this mean i can use stretch?
• 2885[19:57:00] <faheem> Those icons seem to be called themselves task manager.
• 2886[19:57:01] <jelly> faheem: what does it say?
• 2887[19:57:11] <faheem> task manager.
• 2888[19:57:15] <LtL> *can't
• 2889[19:57:33] <faheem> Well, task manager settings, to be precise.
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• 2892[19:58:22] <jmcnaught> LtL: hey! are you sure the boot message isn't "KVM disabled in bios"? kernel mode setting is a software feature
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• 2894[19:59:24] <LtL> jmcnaught: hrm, it could be, i will recheck.
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• 2896[20:00:20] <faheem> jelly: still here?
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• 2898[20:01:04] <faheem> I was going to try running mpv from the command line produced by Alt-F2. But it requires an argument, I think.
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• 2901[20:01:31] <JohnnyL> How to install hplip.run under debian 9? replaced-url
• 2902[20:02:04] <LtL> jmcnaught: it says KVM, you're right as usual. thanks
• 2903[20:02:23] <jelly> faheem: actually, don't bother, I can confirm panel widgets, not just the Task Manager but System Tray as well, stop refreshing while mpv fullscreen is running
• 2904[20:02:57] <faheem> jelly: sorry, not sure what you mean.
• 2905[20:03:18] <faheem> By stop refreshing. Are you seeing something that looks like a bug? Can you describe it?
• 2906[20:03:56] <jelly> faheem: I mean changes in window existence, like running an app that opens a new window or closing one are not visible
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• 2908[20:04:44] <faheem> jelly, Hmm, that's not what I see.
• 2909[20:04:45] <jmcnaught> LtL: if you wanted to deal with that KVM message and be able to run VMs on this computer, in your BIOS it's probably called something like VT-x or 'virt' something
• 2910[20:05:13] <faheem> The icons still work for the most part, they just "operate" the wrong windows.
• 2911[20:05:14] <jelly> doesn't happen always
• 2912[20:05:39] <faheem> And I'm seeing this here fairly consistently. I could try rebooting and see if I still get the same thing.
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• 2914[20:06:16] <jelly> faheem: or you can interpret it like this: you see old image, but the panel is actually supposed to show something else like all icons moved one place over
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• 2916[20:06:57] <jelly> faheem: which vo driver does your mpv use?
• 2917[20:07:14] <faheem> jelly: sorry, again I don't know. Does it show it on startup?
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• 2919[20:07:30] <jelly> faheem: among other things, yes
• 2920[20:07:31] <tw> VO: [something]
• 2921[20:07:34] <tw> on the console
• 2922[20:07:40] <jelly> VO: [opengl] 704x400 yuv420p
• 2923[20:07:43] <tw> Mine says VO: [null]
• 2924[20:07:55] <faheem> VO: [opengl] 624x352 yuv420p
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• 2927[20:08:15] <jelly> mpv -vo help # lists possible options
• 2928[20:08:22] <faheem> That's what mine says. Incidentally, mplayer2 does the same thing.
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• 2930[20:08:44] <faheem> Let me try vlc.
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• 2932[20:09:38] <faheem> Interesting. Everything looks normal with vlc.
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• 2934[20:10:02] <jelly> faheem: does anything change if you mpv -vo vdpau ?
• 2935[20:10:03] <faheem> jelly, Did you want me to post the output of `mpv -vo help`?
• 2936[20:10:06] <jelly> no
• 2937[20:10:20] <faheem> jelly, You want me to run with those options?
• 2938[20:10:28] <jelly> yes
• 2939[20:10:36] <faheem> Ok. One sec.
• 2940[20:10:59] <jelly> and I can't reproduce the issue any more, interesting
• 2941[20:11:26] <jelly> but also I use the task manager with text, not the one with Icons-only
• 2942[20:11:45] <faheem> No, same weirdness.
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• 2946[20:13:03] <jelly> eh... yet another plasma issue
• 2947[20:13:05] * jelly shrugs
• 2948[20:13:21] <faheem> Is Plasma shaping up as buggy?
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• 2953[20:14:50] <faheem> jelly: So, do you think you have anything to report from your end?
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• 2955[20:15:47] <jelly> sure, but it's nothing a lot worse than other kde/plasma stuff
• 2956[20:16:17] <faheem> What other stuff?
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• 2959[20:16:44] <jelly> it has had a crap ton of cosmetic and worse issues, forever
• 2960[20:17:21] <jelly> if I choose to use it, I make note of what works and what doesn't, and then I don't use the things that... don't work well
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• 2962[20:17:26] <faheem> I didn't notice anything previously.
• 2963[20:17:32] <faheem> I've used it for awhile.
• 2964[20:17:55] <faheem> jelly, Interested in joint reporting of a bug report?
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• 2966[20:17:59] <jelly> no
• 2967[20:18:07] <faheem> Though I'm not sure if you are seeing what I am seeing.
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• 2970[20:18:39] <jelly> I'm seeing inconsistent behavior so, hard to pinpoint anything
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• 2973[20:19:02] <faheem> jelly, ok. Well, thanks for taking the time to have a look.
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• 2975[20:19:34] <jelly> np
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• 2977[20:20:37] <jelly> faheem: btw, -vo vdpau will use the gpu for accelerated decoding and shave a percent or three off cpu usage
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• 2979[20:21:07] <faheem> jelly: is that what you use?
• 2980[20:21:07] <jelly> but it doesn't work for all media
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• 2982[20:21:19] <faheem> Would such a small difference even be noticeable?
• 2983[20:21:57] <jelly> it depends on how slow your cpu is and what else is running
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• 2986[20:22:22] <faheem> jelly, I'll give it a try, thanks.
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• 2993[20:25:09] <rootkea> Hi! I'm using Debian Stretch. I can connect to wifi router and also mobile hotspot but can't access Intenet through mobile Internet. While other clients connected to mobile hotspot can.
• 2994[20:25:29] <rootkea> I can access Intenet through wifi router though.
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• 3000[20:26:26] <rootkea> I tried multiple mobile hotspots but couldn't access Intenet using any of them
• 3001[20:26:55] <rootkea> At the same time other clients can access Intenet through them. Any help is appreciated.
• 3002[20:27:23] <rootkea> How do I debug the probelm?
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• 3007[20:31:07] <rootkea> join #networking
• 3008[20:31:15] <johnkeates> but they hate me
• 3009[20:31:20] <johnkeates> oh, you're not talking to me
• 3010[20:31:29] <johnkeates> and this isn't the channel i was in
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• 3013[20:34:19] <hiroki> jmcnaught: just installed Debian Stretch from scratch. It made things worse, *.link files are not being picked up properly now. Strange...
• 3014[20:34:52] <jmcnaught> oh
• 3015[20:35:08] <jmcnaught> what are your network interfaces getting named now?
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• 3019[20:35:51] <hiroki> The new scheme, ens192 in this case
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• 3029[20:37:47] <jmcnaught> hiroki: what link file do you get for "networkctl status ens192"?
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• 3032[20:38:43] <hiroki> /etc/systemd/network/50-sal.link
• 3033[20:39:16] <hiroki> That link file matches using 'MACAddress' and has one other directive 'Name=sal'. That's all
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• 3035[20:39:34] <Sokomine> hi. got a problem after upgrading to strech. the upgrade itshelf went fine, but i lost rxvt (again :-(). what options are there to get a well-working terminal? white font on black, 16 colors, readable font. in general: preferably as close to the text shell as can be
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• 3038[20:40:21] <Sokomine> text console i mean
• 3039[20:40:34] <jmcnaught> hiroki: what did you mean by "not being picked up properly"?
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• 3041[20:41:26] <hiroki> jmcnaught: what I mean is that I have a properly configured link file that should rename the network interface to 'sal'. However, it is not renaming the interface, hence, the link file is not being picked up properly.
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• 3043[20:41:38] <hiroki> The network interface name remains to be ens192 instead of the desired sal
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• 3067[20:48:49] <jmcnaught> hiroki: did you do "update-initramfs -u" after making the changes?
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• 3077[20:50:59] <effgeeeee> Hey, I am having a strange issue. An interface, eth0 is getting a dhcp lease but it is not setup to do so. eth0/1 are actually bonded elsewhere. Other than /etc/network/interfaces where else could that interface be trying to get a dhcp lease from?
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• 3084[20:52:28] <johnkeates> network manager or dhcpcd messing you up?
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• 3088[20:53:17] <ahoo> hey
• 3089[20:53:29] <ahoo> when i try to install at deb wants to install the whole exif
• 3090[20:53:33] <ahoo> what am i doing wrong
• 3091[20:53:34] <ahoo> ?
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• 3093[20:54:00] <hiroki> jmcnaught: what ? "update-initramfs -u" worked and fixed everything. I was not aware that it was necessary to run that post-change. Where is that documented ?
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• 3095[20:54:39] <jmcnaught> hiroki: that link that i sent you earlier from the release notes says to read /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz
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• 3097[20:55:13] <hiroki> jmcnaught: I read that, couldn't find the reference in there ?
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• 3099[20:55:46] <hiroki> jmcnaught: sorry, I see you're referring to udev, not systemd
• 3100[20:55:58] <jmcnaught> hiroki: last line in the section "Custom net interface naming"
• 3101[20:56:40] <hiroki> jmcnaught: yep, you're absolutely right. Thank you for pointing me to the right docs and helping me to get it working !
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• 3105[20:57:37] <jmcnaught> hiroki: you're welcome ☺ i'm glad you got it working. I only recently started using networkd but i had not tried renaming interfaces
• 3106[20:57:54] <jelly> ahoo: what does "whole exif" mean?
• 3107[20:57:55] <jelly> !bat
• 3108[20:57:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3109[20:58:14] <ahoo> jelly: err, exim that is
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• 3112[20:58:36] <hiroki> jmcnaught: I had it working on Arch for a year by now, didn't need to update initramfs for a change so I got confused I guess
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• 3114[20:59:03] <jelly> ahoo: cron can pull that in, exim is the default mail-transport-agent
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• 3117[20:59:44] <jelly> ahoo: if you want local delivery just to read those cron job outputs, "dma" package is one smaller option
• 3118[21:00:15] <jelly> ahoo: or figure out which dependency wants to pull that in
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• 3120[21:00:33] <jelly> maybe use aptitude -R install ... to install your thing
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• 3123[21:00:58] <jelly> (-R avoids Recommends:)
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• 3125[21:01:18] <at0m> jhutchins: oh! great to hear. seems i was behind for about a week then. thanks for putting that straight!
• 3126[21:02:21] <jmcnaught> hiroki: i'm kinda curious what is bringing up the lo interface for you if you completely disabled the networking.service and deleted /e/n/interfaces
• 3127[21:02:59] <hiroki> jmcnaught: I think I read somewhere that systemd brings it up regardless of anything managing it
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• 3129[21:03:14] <jmcnaught> sounds like something it would do
• 3130[21:03:26] <hiroki> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 3132[21:06:12] <jelly> effgeeeee: ouch, that's not good. Which debian release? What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
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• 3148[21:13:41] <ahoo> jelly: "at" pulls the dependency.
• 3149[21:13:56] <ahoo> jelly: obviously at is not a standalone thing like crontabs
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• 3151[21:14:01] <effgeeeee> jelly: normal
• 3152[21:14:11] <effgeeeee> jelly: lemme paste it somewhere
• 3153[21:14:15] <asarch> Why am I getting only this from /phppgadmin?: replaced-url
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• 3155[21:15:02] <jelly> ahoo: install a small MTA in advance, then exim4-daemon-light won't get pulled in.
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• 3159[21:15:57] <jmcnaught> "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent" lists packages that can be used instead of exim4-daemon-light
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• 3163[21:16:31] <jelly> effgeeeee: I don't know what's normal. Used to have to put "iface inet eth0 manual\n\tup ifconfig eth0 up" for bonding members, a couple releases back
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• 3165[21:16:38] <effgeeeee> jelly: replaced-url
• 3166[21:16:43] <effgeeeee> the bonding is functional
• 3167[21:16:55] <effgeeeee> no network-manager
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• 3170[21:17:16] <effgeeeee> eth0 is grabbing a dhcp lease though
• 3171[21:17:22] <jelly> effgeeeee: which debian release is this?
• 3172[21:17:31] <effgeeeee> i think jessie
• 3173[21:17:35] <effgeeeee> lemme check
• 3174[21:17:39] <jelly> !debian suite
• 3175[21:17:40] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 3176[21:17:49] <jelly> effgeeeee: what does "lsb_release -sc" say
• 3177[21:18:07] <effgeeeee> 8.5 jessie
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• 3179[21:18:12] <effgeeeee> i think i have a clue
• 3180[21:18:59] <effgeeeee> exists /etc/samba/dhcp.conf - some config for wins servers and stuff.
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• 3182[21:19:17] <effgeeeee> it references the interface that the lease is happening on
• 3183[21:19:21] <jelly> effgeeeee: why is there no "auto eth0 eth1" lines in there? the manual workaround is not used in this case, you might as well remove those two
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• 3185[21:19:35] <effgeeeee> cause the bonding brings them up
• 3186[21:19:58] <jelly> why do you even have the iface... manual lines in there, then?
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• 3188[21:20:27] <jelly> they're not active anyway
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• 3192[21:20:53] <rootkea> Hello! I am using Debian Stretch. I can connect to wifi router and mobile hotspot. But I can't access Internet through mobile hotspot while other clients connected to the same hotspot can.
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• 3194[21:21:14] <effgeeeee> for posterity, to see which nets i have plugged in and i want to bind
• 3195[21:21:17] <effgeeeee> irrelevant
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• 3197[21:21:28] <jelly> and confusing
• 3198[21:21:30] <rootkea> I can access Internet through wifi router though. In fact I'm connected to wifi router now.
• 3199[21:21:41] <jmcnaught> rootkea: how have you configured networking?
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• 3202[21:22:53] <jelly> effgeeeee: if dhclient process is still running, can you see its ppid?
• 3203[21:23:08] <effgeeeee> holy shit, I think I was right.
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• 3205[21:23:16] <effgeeeee> exists /etc/samba/dhcp.conf - some config for wins servers and stuff.
• 3206[21:23:40] <effgeeeee> wins server = eth0:192.168.2.200
• 3207[21:23:45] <effgeeeee> that was the line in there, the only line
• 3208[21:24:01] <effgeeeee> Samba was calling dhcp on that interface for some ridiculous reason
• 3209[21:24:04] <jelly> someone forgot to replace that with bond0 or whatnot
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• 3211[21:24:08] <rootkea> jmcnaught, configured? umm turn on the hotspot from Android UI And then connect to it using Network Manager.
• 3212[21:24:17] <rootkea> Sorry don't know the details
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• 3216[21:25:40] <effgeeeee> hmm maybe i spoke too soon. not sure yet
• 3217[21:25:43] <rootkea> An interesting thing to note is that I was able to access Internet on Jessie. But I upgraded to Stretch 3 days back and now I can't
• 3218[21:26:16] <rootkea> while *other* clients can access Internet using the same hotspot!
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• 3220[21:26:45] <rootkea> I tried 2 other mobile hotspots. (My friends) same issue!
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• 3226[21:28:41] <jmcnaught> rootkea: some places to look are the output of "ip a" for address info, "ip r" for route info, and "journalctl -u NetworkManager" for NM logs to look for errors. You can use replaced-url
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• 3230[21:30:34] <rootkea> jmcnaught, So I believe I need to run those commands while being connected to the mobile hotspot?
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• 3234[21:31:02] <jmcnaught> rootkea: "nmcli connection show $NAME" where $NAME is the connection name, most likely the SSID of the network, will also show you quite a bit of info
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• 3236[21:31:16] <jmcnaught> rootkea: yeah
• 3237[21:32:00] <rootkea> jmcnaught, Alright. I'll be right back. Have to disconnect from this wifi router now for that
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• 3253[21:39:42] <rootkea> jmanfatty, Hi! Here is the pastebin replaced-url
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• 3255[21:41:01] <rootkea> nmcli is new though!
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• 3258[21:41:32] <jmcnaught> rootkea: have you done a traceroute?
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• 3264[21:43:01] <rootkea> No. Wait a minute. I'll now!
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• 3271[21:44:58] <rootkea> jmcnaught, It says:
• 3272[21:45:00] <rootkea> replaced-url
• 3273[21:45:09] <rootkea> Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `replaced-url
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• 3278[21:46:06] <rootkea> but now that I'm connected to wifi router I can traceroute Google and it shows the route with IPs
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• 3282[21:46:14] <jelly> rootkea: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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• 3287[21:47:57] <rootkea> jmcnaught, $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
• 3288[21:47:59] <rootkea> nameserver 192.168.43.1
• 3289[21:48:08] <unknown1> Hey
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• 3291[21:48:09] <rootkea> nameserver 2405:200:800::1
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• 3299[21:49:10] <rootkea> jmcnaught, Now if you want me to ping 192.168.43.1 it's in the pastebin replaced-url
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• 3306[21:52:01] <bear1> Hello
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• 3311[21:52:35] <jmcnaught> rootkea: i would check your wifi hotspot whatever it is for limits on number of clients or something. to me it looks like you successfully associate with the AP, you get an IP address, but the gateway ignores or misses most of your packets
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• 3314[21:53:25] <jelly> it doesn't really matter if the ping fails, even if it's weird. What matters is for dns queries to go through and response gets back
• 3315[21:53:31] <rootkea> jmcnaught, I have devices limit set to "unlimited". Empty block list.
• 3316[21:53:56] <jelly> rootkea: that doesn't mean the router can actually manage the number
• 3317[21:54:08] <rootkea> jelly, Sorry I thought it was jmcnaught who asked resolv.conf. Forgot to mention you!
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• 3323[21:55:05] <jelly> rootkea: does "dig google.com A @192.168.43.1" work?
• 3324[21:55:18] <vadimkolchev> Hello, my usb wifi works pretty well during installer and cannot connect after reboot it is rt2800 driver. Can anyone help me fix it?
• 3325[21:55:19] <rootkea> jelly, Right now there are 2 actually just 1 device connected to the mobile hotspot since I'm using wifi router
• 3326[21:55:25] <jelly> that's not a lot
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• 3329[21:55:45] <rootkea> And the connected client is using Internet through the very same mobile hotspot.
• 3330[21:56:01] <jelly> if it were half a dozen or that might mean something
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• 3332[21:56:15] <rootkea> jelly, I'll try dig now.
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• 3336[21:57:12] <jelly> vadimkolchev: is firmware-ralink package installed
• 3337[21:57:26] <jelly> if not, install it
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• 3339[21:57:39] <jelly> verify you have
• 3340[21:57:43] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 3341[21:57:43] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 3342[21:57:51] <rootkea> $ dig google.com A @192.168.43.1
• 3343[21:57:53] <rootkea> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Debian <<>> google.com A @192.168.43.1
• 3344[21:58:04] <jelly> don't paste it all here
• 3345[21:58:07] <jelly> !paste
• 3346[21:58:07] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3347[21:58:48] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, i have non free and contrib enabled in stretch and no firmware-ralink package
• 3348[21:58:56] <jelly> rootkea: was the ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" ?
• 3349[21:59:14] <jelly> vadimkolchev: connect with wire, install it, reboot
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• 3351[21:59:46] <rootkea> jelly, connection timed out; no servers could be reached
• 3352[22:00:06] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, I connected, no such package in repo. Search of ralink guves me firmware-misc-nonfree only
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• 3354[22:00:13] <rootkea> I've updated the pastebin replaced-url
• 3355[22:00:18] <jelly> ,v firmware-ralink
• 3356[22:00:19] <judd> Package: firmware-ralink on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43
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• 3358[22:00:22] <jelly> huh
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• 3360[22:00:40] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, no stretch
• 3361[22:00:58] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, during installation works perfectly for me, but not after
• 3362[22:01:15] <rootkea> jelly, An interesting thing to note is that I could connect to Internet on Jessie. I upgraded to Stretch 3 days back and now I can't.
• 3363[22:01:16] <jelly> vadimkolchev: oh, description for firmware-misc-nonfree suggests it was all bundled up in that pacakge
• 3364[22:01:23] <rootkea> But other clients can
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• 3366[22:01:38] <jelly> rootkea: can you boot back into the 3.16 kernel from jessie?
• 3367[22:01:42] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, it doesn't work for me
• 3368[22:02:04] <rootkea> jelly, good idea! Thanks! I'll now!
• 3369[22:02:05] <jelly> vadimkolchev: care to pastebin your dmesg?
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• 3371[22:02:21] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, just a moment, will try
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• 3379[22:03:42] <mint> Which firmware run with Intelbras WBN 240?
• 3380[22:03:58] <bear1> Guys can u help ke
• 3381[22:03:59] <bear1> *me
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• 3385[22:04:27] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, cannot pastebin, but can tell you what is there. Constantly link not ready and loop if trying to connect
• 3386[22:04:28] <mint> Whats your question
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• 3390[22:06:22] <mint> iwlist run?
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• 3392[22:07:02] <bear1> Mint i have a supybot i made on my android on an app debian noroot but how do i get it to relay channels that itsnsuppose to do
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• 3394[22:07:30] <mtn> vadimkolchev: are you using network manager?
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• 3400[22:09:23] <vadimkolchev> Mtn, yes
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• 3403[22:09:48] <mint> ops
• 3404[22:09:51] <vadimkolchev> Mtn, even if I use wpa supplicant directly it connects for 2 minutes and then disconnects
• 3405[22:09:54] <mint> iwlwifi
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• 3410[22:10:06] <mtn> vadimkolchev: I had to use wicd instead of networkmanager with a similar problem
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• 3413[22:12:08] <jelly> vadimkolchev: I was thinking more "was firmware found and loaded after boot"
• 3414[22:12:11] <vadimkolchev> Will try it, mtn, however don't have those problems on other distros with network manager
• 3415[22:12:18] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, yes, it clearly was
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• 3418[22:12:39] <mtn> vadimkolchev: I don't either. only with debian 9 and the installer worked fine with my wifi
• 3419[22:12:52] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, was the correct firmware loaded, that's the question
• 3420[22:13:13] <rootkea> jelly, Now I'm on 3.16.43-2 but the problem persists.
• 3421[22:13:17] <jelly> eh, could be a driver bug but... the kernel used for installer and the kernel in stretch are still, I think, the same
• 3422[22:13:44] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, that's what I think also, but something is different
• 3423[22:13:52] <jelly> ,kernels
• 3424[22:13:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1)
• 3425[22:14:10] <jelly> oh, there has been an update for the kernel already
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• 3427[22:14:44] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, probably this is the reason
• 3428[22:14:55] <rootkea> jelly, Also may be I should mention this that when I was upgrading to Stretch I abruptly poweroffed the machine in mid then I had to apt-get -f install and all but now I have fully updated system. At least that's what apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade says
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• 3434[22:16:14] <jelly> rootkea: that should not be an issue
• 3435[22:16:37] <jelly> vadimkolchev: you could downgrade the kernel and test that theory
• 3436[22:16:46] <jelly> !snapshot
• 3437[22:16:46] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 3438[22:16:47] <rootkea> jelly, "driver bug" How the driver knows whether it's a mobile hotspot or a wifi router it's connected to trigger the bug?
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• 3440[22:17:04] <jelly> vadimkolchev: ^^
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• 3442[22:17:46] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, so the advice is to use outdated kernel?
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• 3444[22:18:23] <jelly> vadimkolchev: no, the advice is to test the outdated kernel, and if it works, that's a data point you're going to mention filing the bug report
• 3445[22:18:36] <jelly> because then it's a regression
• 3446[22:18:48] <rootkea> jelly, Ah never mind. I guess that "driver bug" comment wasn't for me!
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• 3449[22:19:47] <jelly> rootkea: right
• 3450[22:20:10] <jelly> unless your thing also worked inside installer and now doesn't
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• 3453[22:21:52] <rootkea> jelly, umm I'll install Jessie on a separate partition just to see whether I can still access the Internet through the mobile hotspot
• 3454[22:22:10] <rootkea> If yes then the bug surely lies in Stretch
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• 3456[22:23:28] <rootkea> Last time I checked I was using mobile hotspot on Jessie. So..
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• 3458[22:26:56] * rootkea leaving
• 3459[22:27:06] <rootkea> jelly, Thanks for your help!
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• 3463[22:28:47] <amundsen> hi
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• 3470[22:29:19] <amundsen> is there any way ti know which driver is using my graphic card?
• 3471[22:29:48] <towo`> amundsen, look in Xorg.0.log
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• 3473[22:30:21] <towo`> ig if you have inxi installed, inxi -G as user in a x-terminal
• 3474[22:30:27] <towo`> s/ig/or
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• 3478[22:32:13] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, won't be able to file a bug as I do not have wired internet on machine
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• 3481[22:33:27] <wallbroken> hi
• 3482[22:33:38] <wallbroken> i need debin 8.0 netinstall
• 3483[22:33:40] <wallbroken> how to get it?
• 3484[22:33:47] <wallbroken> i'm searchng on google
• 3485[22:33:50] <wallbroken> but no luck
• 3486[22:33:52] <jelly> vadimkolchev: bug report is just a mail, if you prepare one with "reportbug" it can leave a copy, you can send it from elsewhere
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• 3489[22:35:10] <jelly> wallbroken: why 8.0 precisely and not 8.8?
• 3490[22:35:15] <jelly> wallbroken: replaced-url
• 3491[22:35:21] <wallbroken> because 8.8 is crapped
• 3492[22:35:26] <vadimkolchev> Jelly, seems reportbug does not work without internet, cannot start it
• 3493[22:35:28] <jelly> wallbroken: how crapped?
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• 3496[22:36:05] <wallbroken> x-window-system got some bug that does not make it work with virtualbox drag-n-drop feature
• 3497[22:36:37] <jelly> wallbroken: the older installer will connect to internet and pull the exact same versions of software as the new installer
• 3498[22:36:55] <wallbroken> :\
• 3499[22:37:07] <jelly> using it is not likely to fix your vbox integration issue
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• 3503[22:38:24] <xff> hello, I want to run python shell script with switch '-u' (unbuffered). Can anyone look at this what is wrong? '/usr/bin/env python -u' throws error '/usr/bin/env: "python -u": No such file or directory'
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• 3505[22:39:22] <jelly> xff: how are you calling "/usr/bin/env python -u" precisely
• 3506[22:39:27] <wallbroken> jelly, every netinstall version has a different number
• 3507[22:39:34] <wallbroken> netinstall 9, entinstall 8
• 3508[22:39:52] <wallbroken> so, why, if i download netinstall 8, it will install last version stuff?
• 3509[22:40:00] <xff> jelly: it's int the file on the first line. I run command from bash ./<python file>
• 3510[22:40:12] <jelly> wallbroken: it will install the latest that's in debian 8
• 3511[22:40:29] <wallbroken> ok
• 3512[22:40:43] <jelly> xff: is there a #! before that?
• 3513[22:40:44] <wallbroken> so, i should try with netinstall 7
• 3514[22:40:55] <jelly> wallbroken: if you want to run debian 7, yes
• 3515[22:41:05] <wallbroken> replaced-url
• 3516[22:41:08] <wallbroken> where is netinstall?
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• 3518[22:41:21] <xff> jelly: yes, sorry I forgot to write. '#!/usr/bin/env python -u'
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• 3521[22:42:00] <jelly> xff: #! line is interpreted by the kernel. There can be only one parameter in there next to the command
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• 3524[22:43:16] <jelly> xff: if you're running this once, you could just call the python interpreter directly
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• 3527[22:43:33] <jelly> xff: python -u <python file>
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• 3529[22:43:36] <jelly> from bash
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• 3531[22:43:56] <amundsen> why isn't there a boot animation in debian by default?
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• 3533[22:44:24] <wallbroken> jelly, so?
• 3534[22:44:28] <xff> jelly: thanx! `#!/usr/bin/python -u` works
• 3535[22:44:42] <jelly> wallbroken: sorry, "so" what?
• 3536[22:44:49] <wallbroken> replaced-url
• 3537[22:44:53] <wallbroken> i don't see netinstall file
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• 3539[22:45:12] <jelly> wallbroken: do you see directories?
• 3540[22:45:16] <wallbroken> yes
• 3541[22:45:22] <jelly> maybe browse around a bit?
• 3542[22:45:30] <wallbroken> jigdo what does it mean?
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• 3544[22:45:58] <wallbroken> ok, odes not join the directory
• 3545[22:46:01] <jelly> !jigdo
• 3546[22:46:02] <dpkg> Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at replaced-url
• 3547[22:46:28] <jelly> wallbroken: debian doesn't keep .iso images of old point releases around
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• 3549[22:46:48] <jelly> apparently
• 3550[22:47:10] <jelly> so you have to use this "jigdo" tool to reassemble an .iso you want
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• 3552[22:48:29] <tw> Dunno why you'd want it; the installed version would be from the latest packages on the apt servers anyway.
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• 3554[22:49:03] <tw> At least from the netinst
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• 3556[22:49:05] <mint> The firmware iwlwifi run with Intelbrass WBN 240?
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• 3560[22:50:35] <wallbroken> tw, because 8.8 or 9 are crapped
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• 3563[22:51:25] <jelly> wallbroken: 7.11 iso-cd/ dir is there.
• 3564[22:51:56] <bzed> wallbroken: why do you want to install 7.8? 7.11 was the last wheezy pointrelease
• 3565[22:52:18] <jelly> they're under the impression old installer will give them old software
• 3566[22:52:22] <bzed> wallbroken: which basically means that the 7.8 netinst installer wouldn't work anymore
• 3567[22:52:47] <tw> I bet it will, but it's almost out of security support anyway.
• 3568[22:53:01] <jelly> one more year of LTS
• 3569[22:53:08] <bzed> tw: no, I'm kind of sure there was an kernel abi change
• 3570[22:53:13] <jelly> it's already out of normal security support
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• 3577[22:57:32] <nurupo> on Stretch with Plasma 5, the login screen has a keyboard layout drop-down, but the only item in it is English. how would one add more keyboard layouts in there?
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• 3579[22:57:58] <nvz> i need help setting up hdmi sound output in stretch I'm reasonably sure its all setup and working its just the hdmi output isnt selected
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• 3581[22:58:17] <nurupo> also, when locking from Plasma 5, the screen with password input doesn't have any keyboard language layout indicator and ability to switch it
• 3582[22:58:23] <nurupo> looks inconsistent
• 3583[22:58:39] <lintguy> Anyone here that know how to setup ispconfig with multiserver?
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• 3591[23:07:05] <hays> is there a way to release a bound tcp port (listening) from a process without killing that process
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• 3594[23:09:22] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 3598[23:10:47] <nvz> window split
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• 3601[23:12:58] <jelly> hays: the process has to close it itself
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• 3603[23:13:07] <tw> hays: Not without trickery, no. Better to kill the process or firewall the port, depending on the reason you want to close it.
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• 3607[23:15:41] <hays> tw: trickery may be needed
• 3608[23:15:59] <hays> tshi process has tens of thousands of resources open and id rather not kill it
• 3609[23:17:41] <tw> What do you need that particular listen port for? You've got 65534 other ports you could use instead.
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• 3611[23:18:20] <hays> because this is a system. there are firewall rules in place across multiple systems to allow a specific connection
• 3612[23:18:49] <hays> damn. i tried a trick with gdb and the process segfaulted. bummer
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• 3615[23:19:41] <tw> Not surprised. Any process with sufficient complexity is not going to like having one of its threads stopped like that and just about nobody handles a null read on a listen socket; it's supposed to be impossible.
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• 3618[23:20:37] <tw> Was going to suggest local iptables REDIRECT, but you've already killed it.
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• 3620[23:21:03] <jelly> so... problem solved!
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• 3623[23:23:29] <jelly> nvz: try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). If you used vanilla kernel I'd also say try #linux-sunxi (here) but you're on vendor 3.4
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• 3626[23:24:10] <jelly> nvz: and of course linux-sunxi.org wiki
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• 3633[23:28:53] <user31> is there a setting for apt/synaptic to allow longer 'refresh' - it doesn't wait long enough for my 10kb connection and results in gpg errors?
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• 3637[23:31:09] <nvz> jelly: ill try #arbian kernel came from them
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• 3641[23:32:59] <jelly> user31: care to pastebin your output of "apt-get update"?
• 3642[23:33:18] <jelly> !paste
• 3643[23:33:18] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 3650[23:38:29] <hays> tw: not sure. i needed that process to bind to that port again
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• 3652[23:39:04] <hays> it had closed out the entity that should have released it but didn't and couldn't relisten due to a bind error because the port was already in use
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• 3680[23:48:22] <likcoras> I created a VM using virt-manager, how do I tell whether I'm using KVM virtulization or just qemu?
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• 3684[23:48:37] <likcoras> Oh wow nevermind, I'm blind.
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