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0[00:00:12] <blackslide> The system sees the device, but
you'll have to mount the filesystem
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2[00:00:28] <Anyday> Teatime: it appears when I type ifup
enp3s0 now it does correctly show up in ifconfig but something is
not working with the dns portion. I can ping google at 8.8.8.8 but
cant ping
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3[00:00:29] <blackslide> ,v dcc juju
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4[00:00:30] <judd> No package named 'dcc' was found
in amd64.
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5[00:00:33] <blackslide> :D
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6[00:00:37] <mnuhmnuh> pydf is nice too.
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9[00:01:04] <mnuhmnuh> no, dcc is irc ver. of im
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11[00:01:17] <mnuhmnuh> 1 --> 1
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13[00:01:37] <blackslide> It was easy to fix in dos.. ipconfig
/flushdns :D
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16[00:01:58] <blackslide> actually windo(w)s
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17[00:02:16] <Anyday> Restart might help?
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19[00:02:33] <chomwitt> what is the command to list the
commands judd knows ?
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23[00:03:06] <blackslide> ,v ?
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24[00:03:07] <judd> No package named '?' was found in
amd64.
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26[00:03:37] <jhutchins> j mysql
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28[00:03:53] <blackslide> are those actual, working DNS
nameservers?
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29[00:04:08] <annadane> judd: commands
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30[00:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> blackslide: "juju" is bob
marly-land !@#$-tage ; zombies, ya know mon. sheesh.
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31[00:04:15] <annadane> ah, can't be invoked like that
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33[00:04:31] <annadane> anyway i'm not sure if
there's a comprehensive page for judd or dpkg
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34[00:04:37] <blackslide> hehe
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35[00:04:56] <blackslide> !dpkg juju
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36[00:05:03] <blackslide> !dpkg what is juju
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37[00:05:03] <dpkg> blackslide: what are you talking about?
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39[00:05:08] <blackslide> :D
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40[00:05:16] <blackslide> !dpkg what is voodoo
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41[00:05:16] <dpkg> methinks voodoo is black magic, stay away
from it. Also a GPU chipset family, ask me about <3dfx>.
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42[00:05:27] <blackslide> Aha!
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45[00:05:54] <blackslide> !judd list commands
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46[00:05:54] <dpkg> blackslide, you probably want to address
that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command --
that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
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47[00:06:07] <blackslide> ,v list commands
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48[00:06:08] <jhutchins> blackslide: If you want to play with
the bot you can /msg dpkg
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49[00:06:09] <judd> No package named 'list' was found
in amd64.
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50[00:06:10] <mnuhmnuh> maybe mississippi too?
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51[00:06:14] <annadane> please don't spam the channel
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52[00:06:19] <blackslide> sry
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53[00:06:26] <annadane> and also ,v is specifically for package
versions
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55[00:07:03] <jhutchins> Why would a mysql server not check
usernames and passwords. Started normally from systemd.
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60[00:07:40] <DexterF> {holler}
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62[00:08:29] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: perhaps read only access,
not accepting changes/writes/updates
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65[00:08:46] <mnuhmnuh> query only
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73[00:09:59] <mnuhmnuh> ignore ingress all
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77[00:10:12] <DexterF> can someone tell me how to take syslogs
from a specific daemon out of syslog? I created an
/etc/rsyslog.d/99-somed rule says : startswith ...
/var/log/somed.log followed by a line with "& ~".
restarted rsyslog, now logs to both syslog and somed.log. why still
syslog?
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79[00:10:17] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: But how/why?
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91[00:11:49] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: What are supposed to be
identical servers function as expected, you have to have a user and
you have to use the password.
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94[00:12:19] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: I noticed when I pasted a
bad password and it worked anyway, I tried a user that wasn't
in the db and that worked too.
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98[00:12:35] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: somebody wants to offer
their dataset to the world/colleags (sp?), distribute info, share
tech./drill through complexity, ...
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99[00:12:44] <jhutchins> It's like whatever they did to
allow root in with no/any password has been extended to everybody.
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101[00:13:07] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: I mean what mechanism is
causing that behavior?
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104[00:13:37] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: That's NOT how mysql
usually works unless you use the skiptables command (whatever it is)
to hack the root password.
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108[00:13:43] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: not protectin from unauth
access is bad, not what i thought you were worried about.
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111[00:14:05] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Yeah, this server is not in
use yet.
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112[00:14:31] <Prrrrt> im back the other rooms are dead no one
chatting looks like this is the only active room
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113[00:15:24] <blind> Prrrrt: welcome back, what is your debian
question?
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114[00:15:35] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: i've taken over boxes
which auto-logged into root X, no pword requested. there's odd
people out there.
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115[00:15:40] <Prrrrt> got no question man
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118[00:16:28] <mnuhmnuh> Prrrrt: you missed the good stuff!
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119[00:17:13] <Prrrrt> what was the good stuff lol
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120[00:17:19] <annadane> !chat
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121[00:17:19] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows
on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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123[00:17:27] <annadane> mnuhmnuh, Prrrrt, please take it
elsewhere
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127[00:17:57] <Prrrrt> Sorry anna
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128[00:18:03] <Prrrrt> +dane
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133[00:19:03] <Prrrrt> I got a question
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136[00:19:29] <manjaroNub> everyone leave. he has a question
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137[00:19:38] <jfsCommit> lol
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138[00:19:48] <Prrrrt> My kali linux os is running a bit laggy
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139[00:19:53] <annadane> !kali
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140[00:19:54] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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142[00:19:59] <annadane> also not debian
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144[00:20:19] <annadane> also, if you have to ask "where
can i read hacking guides", don't use kali
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145[00:20:27] <annadane> it's an advanced pentesting distro
not meant for average users
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151[00:22:11] <blackslide> I use kali to fix things that are
broken...
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152[00:22:15] <blackslide> :D
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155[00:22:56] <blackslide> though thinking to do a live deb
stick, since there's an abundance of cheap 16-32gb sticks
everywhere
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162[00:25:45] <jhutchins> nkuttler: Someone had put
skip-grant-tables in my.cnf under a comment of "#Initial
Setup". I didn't remember the syntax to search for, I was
looking for "auth" or "pass".
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163[00:25:55] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: ^
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164[00:26:00] <jhutchins> sorrn nkuttler
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173[00:27:50] * mnuhmnuh gave up on mysql/mariadb and am hoping to
grok postgres before i shuffle off. no hurry. i'm slow.
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175[00:28:23] <jhutchins> percona
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203[00:43:19] <fprophet> I installed Debian 9 on a machine with
a Ryzen cpu. I then pulled the hard drive out and put it in an older
machine that runs on a cpu from 2 centuries ago. Now ethernet
doesn't work
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209[00:45:19] <fprophet> the machine only has one ethernet port
and no wifi adapters. The port is built into the motherboard. How do
I redo the network config?
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211[00:46:03] <blind> do you maybe just have a new interface
that you're not configured to use?
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212[00:46:40] <fprophet> I have no idea, linux newbie here, how
do I check?
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217[00:48:41] <blind> "ip addr" should list out your
interfaces, want to pastebin the output of that?
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218[00:48:53] <ChmEarl> fprophet, cat /proc/net/dev
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223[00:51:13] <chocolate> is it a lot of work to update this
project
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225[00:52:19] <chocolate> is it normal too to have troubles to
connect using mariadb ?
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229[00:52:57] <olebrom> chocolate: Which php version should You
run it on? (I see the code are aprox. 6 years old, and the
mysql-connection have changed a bit...)
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230[00:52:58] <preaction> it depends on what features of mysql
it is using that maria doesn't have
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231[00:53:31] <chocolate> olebrom: php7
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233[00:54:17] <olebrom> chocolate: in openbookmark/lib/mysql.php
: I can see it's using the old functions.
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234[00:54:27] <chocolate> can the problem be a php version too?
because it works at jessie
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235[00:54:52] <mutante> yes, very much
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237[00:55:05] <mutante> because the mysql connection part
won't work anymore
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241[00:55:32] <olebrom> chocolate: It's the old methods
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242[00:55:35] <chocolate> why the need of this change from
debian?
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243[00:55:50] <olebrom> chocolate: It's now change from
debian, it's a change of php...
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244[00:55:55] <fprophet> I should just need to reconfigure the
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245[00:55:55] <mutante> chocolate: you gotta replace the mysql()
functions with PDO or MySQLi
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246[00:55:57] <chocolate> yes
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247[00:56:02] <olebrom> chocolate: And php7 is a lot faster than
php5....
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248[00:56:09] <mutante> chocolate: there are tutorials for it at
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249[00:56:11] <chocolate> my question is why does debian team
change to mariadb
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252[00:56:39] <olebrom> chocolate: I think You have the same
problem if You would run mysql. (it's php..)
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253[00:56:54] <mutante> chocolate: mariadb or mysql doesnt
matter for that problem
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255[00:57:04] <chocolate> great
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256[00:57:04] <olebrom> chocolate: But I guess You only have to
do the changes in lib/mysql.php
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258[00:57:33] <chocolate> yeah but it is out of my knowledge
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259[00:57:59] <chocolate> thank you guys mutante olebrom
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261[00:58:04] <mutante> chocolate: but mariadb is the original
mysql guy and mysql is oracle
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262[00:58:08] <mutante> chocolate: well, " Development is
led by some of the original developers of MySQL, who forked it due
to concerns over its acquisition by Oracle Corporation"
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265[00:59:08] <chocolate> Isee
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266[00:59:19] <fprophet> ifconfig isn't on the system :/
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267[00:59:27] <mutante> fprophet: replaced by "ip"
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268[00:59:32] <fprophet> oh
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270[00:59:44] <olebrom> chocolate: In some minutes I can make a
new mysql.php file for You, which I assume will work..
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274[01:00:25] <chocolate> olebrom: wow I can't say how I
will be glad
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277[01:02:21] <chocolate> olebrom: would be nice if could be
upgraded there.. I wonder it is useful for many ppl
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305[01:16:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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381[01:55:28] <teatime> you can do `ip link show` to list
devices, instead of addresses
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383[01:55:45] <teatime> so you can see devices that don't
have addresses, like `ifconfig -a` would
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388[01:57:14] <aindilis> where is a good place to find people
who want to make unofficial Debian packages of various software
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390[01:57:45] <aindilis> everyone I know wants to write their
own things, rather than package what already does the job
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393[01:58:10] <teatime> make official debian packages, help
everyone else :)
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394[01:58:23] <teatime> and backports
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396[01:59:06] <aindilis> teatime: I would like to
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397[01:59:30] <aindilis> but I have bad executive skills and
have never been able to follow through with becoming a DD
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399[01:59:59] <aindilis> so I would need some help, like a
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401[02:00:06] <teatime> hah, I identify with that
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402[02:00:14] <teatime> there is #debian-mentors on OFTC
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403[02:00:37] <teatime>
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405[02:01:07] <teatime> there's also a channel for
packaging help
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407[02:01:09] <teatime> iirc
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415[02:05:05] <aindilis> also I don't really have the time
to maintain the packages, because I want to create a lot
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430[02:13:03] <wpostma> yeah. official packages for the win
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432[02:13:41] <wpostma> it's why I keep coming back to
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434[02:13:50] <dvs> !win wpostma
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435[02:13:50] <dpkg> Congratulations, wpostma! You have won
second prize in a beauty contest!
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439[02:15:55] <wpostma> speaking of custom debian packages,
I'm contemplating packaging the openrazer package which is on
github.
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441[02:16:20] <wpostma> I bought a razer multi-color LED
keyboard and the package for the drivers to control it from debian
aren't in debian repos yet.
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442[02:16:37] <wpostma> there's a PPA but I think a real
package would be great.
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446[02:17:16] <coruja> do it yourself ;)
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447[02:17:24] <wpostma> yeah. contemplating it.
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450[02:17:56] <aindilis> I'm working on a prolog-based
system which is able to plan and execute linux commands. I want to
try to apply some kind of machine learning to the corpus of /debian
packaging directates and the orig.tar.gz, and try to automatically
package stuff in the future
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451[02:18:05] <wpostma> what rocks is how stupid it is. the
whole package is about controlling blinky lights. das blinkenlights,
keyboard edition.
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453[02:18:28] <aindilis> and then I want to iterate over
software repositories like sf and github and try to package as many
of the systems as possible
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455[02:20:36] <mnuhmnuh> aindilis: i'm getting my box to
create ian m banks "Culture". it'll be the 1st mind,
and will fix/reboot all this buggy civilization gbg.
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457[02:20:51] <aindilis> buckminister?
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458[02:21:01] <aindilis> or knowledgism?
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460[02:21:13] <wpostma> and that's how skynet begins
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462[02:21:45] <aindilis> ubiquitous intelligence as a service is
here, the question will it be free or not
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463[02:22:14] <mnuhmnuh> meh. ot.
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468[02:24:22] <aindilis> s/ub/in/
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470[02:25:10] <aindilis> they've had software robots (aka
softbots) since the early 90s
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471[02:25:20] <aindilis> I'm just trying to create a free
one
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475[02:27:07] <aindilis>
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481[02:33:06] <wpostma> how about a prolog bot that googles
whatever error you just had, while building something, and executes
whatever looks like a command that you could run to fix that error.
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482[02:33:18] <aindilis> already wrote that
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483[02:33:23] <aindilis> *auto-builder
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484[02:33:31] <aindilis> I'll upload it to github if you
want
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485[02:33:50] <wpostma> should be called stackoverflowbot, but
yeah, please do.
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486[02:33:55] <aindilis> k one sec
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487[02:35:20] <mnuhmnuh> max headburn!
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491[02:36:48] <mnuhmnuh> when geekishness was still being
invented.
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492[02:37:39] <aindilis>
replaced-url
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493[02:38:24] * mnuhmnuh meh.
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495[02:38:59] <aindilis> well I have a wrapper for
replaced-url
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496[02:39:13] <aindilis>
replaced-url
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497[02:39:28] <aindilis> (Capability::WebSearch)
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498[02:39:50] <aindilis> it's a WIP
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499[02:40:06] <wpostma> that's cool. which prolog?
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500[02:40:17] <aindilis> swi
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501[02:40:28] <aindilis> actually this is mainly in perl though
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503[02:40:40] <aindilis> but most of the "thinking"
parts of the system are in prolog
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507[02:42:54] <wpostma> ok. the main prolog bit is
auto-builder.el ?
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510[02:43:05] <aindilis> no the main prolog stuff is elsewhere
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511[02:43:07] <aindilis> or incomplete
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512[02:43:17] <aindilis> not in this repo
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513[02:43:40] <aindilis> *working on releasing it but it has
personal info strewn about. just got DeID working so some progress
on the release front.
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515[02:44:11] <wpostma> cool. starred repo and will watch it
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516[02:44:18] <aindilis> thank you :)
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529[02:58:43] <mnuhmnuh> aindilis: sonds like Linus releasing
Linux. "does it network? here's code."
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537[03:02:56] <preta> Spanish?
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538[03:03:26] <dvs> !es
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539[03:03:26] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
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541[03:04:15] <preta> Ok. Thank you
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561[03:16:43] <preta> Hello
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564[03:18:02] <preta> Does anyone have problems with deb
replaced-url
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565[03:19:52] <teatime> dpkg: sources.list
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566[03:19:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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568[03:20:26] <teatime> preta: I am wary of the spaces in
"stretch / updates"
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569[03:21:25] <preta> I can not update. Synaptic gets stuck
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570[03:21:48] <teatime> close it and use the command-line, `apt
update` or `apt-get update`
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571[03:21:51] <fasdfd> What is the password for postgres user in
debian? (postgresql was installed from repos and made this user)
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572[03:23:27] <fasdfd> I'd like to create an identical user
manually and not sure what I should put as password for it?
Something random? Or perhaps it's possible to not set password
and still be able to login to this user with su and sudo?
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573[03:23:33] <teatime> fasdfd: perhaps this will help:
replaced-url
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574[03:24:57] <mnuhmnuh> debtags psql ... what am i doing wrong?
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575[03:25:21] <teatime> what are you trying to do
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576[03:26:34] <fasdfd> manually create an equivalent security
model for running a custom script
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578[03:27:44] <teatime> I was talking to mnuhmnuh; sorry I
should use names.
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579[03:27:47] <mnuhmnuh> there's a gui that goes w
postgres, may make config easier. i've not got that far
m'self.
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580[03:28:14] <mnuhmnuh> debtags tagsearch psql
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581[03:28:16] <fasdfd> My question is completely unrelated to
postgres, I'm asking about usage of adduser AFAIK
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583[03:28:49] <preta> That problem happened two days ago. Before
everything was fine
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584[03:29:38] <teatime> fasdfd: oh. use the --system option for
adduser
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586[03:30:06] <teatime> fasdfd: should make the passwd in
/etc/shadow end up as * which is neither blank nor a valid password
hash
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588[03:30:55] <teatime> fasdfd: you can specify --shell and
/bin/bash which would still allow login via ssh keys (if you set
them up), and like `su -` and `sudo -i`.
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593[03:31:51] <preta> I did netinstall and had problems during
the installation with the repositories. It never happened to me.
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595[03:32:06] <teatime> otherwise it will have shell /bin/false
which disabled login, but you can still su or sudo -s to it
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598[03:33:32] <teatime> preta: "gets stuck" is not
specific enough; please post actual error message and/or errors
printed by 'apt update'
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600[03:35:20] <teatime> fasdfd: you can see the ultimate details
of user postgres in `getent passwd postgres` and `getent shadow
postgres`, which really just pull the relevant line out of
/etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
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602[03:35:51] <fasdfd> teatime, I don't think one can use
su to login to a user if shell is set to /bin/false
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603[03:35:56] <teatime> fasdfd: fields are described in `man 5
passwd` and `man 5 shadow`
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604[03:36:34] <preta> Thank you
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607[03:38:06] <teatime> fasdfd: root can do it, `sudo -s -u bin`
or `su -s /bin/bash bin` for example.
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608[03:39:17] <teatime> I would actually expect just `su bin` to
work as long as you didn't do `su - bin` or `su -l bin`, but it
appears to not on debian
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610[03:39:58] <teatime> fasdfd: without the valid shell you
can't do a 'full login' as the user though which may
annoy you if you want to e.g. set env vars that way
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611[03:42:20] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: if you want to search for
packages based on their tags, you can do e.g. `aptitude search
'~Gpsql'`
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612[03:42:43] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: ~G is an ERE regex against
debtags
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613[03:43:21] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: ty, thought i'd figured
this out the last time i played w debtags, not so simple i guess.
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615[03:44:34] <mnuhmnuh> pgadmin3
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616[03:44:40] <mnuhmnuh> ha haa!
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617[03:44:43] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: see
replaced-url
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618[03:45:19] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: although if you are just
looking for what provides that binary, I'd do `apt-file search
bin/psql`
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620[03:45:29] <webuser5224> Could anyone tell me what a red
[security] tag in the package browser means?
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622[03:45:40] <mnuhmnuh> so many docs, so little time.
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624[03:46:23] <teatime> Sadly, RTFM is mandatory for us all.
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625[03:47:10] <mnuhmnuh> i was just hoping to help fasdfd (and
myself) w pgadmin3
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626[03:47:38] <teatime> I am just trying to help you with your
question.
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627[03:48:15] <JTech> Hello. I'm looking to run an ISO file
of a Xubuntu installer, from a Debian installation, to install
Xubuntu onto brand new, blank SSD+HDD. {why I'm doing it this
way is I can't boot from USB} Is there anything different I
need to do compared to an Ubuntu installation? I had found something
called qemu though I'm not sure if it's really what I
need.
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628[03:48:44] <fasdfd> teatime, thanks, it works. and a user
created with the system flag doesn't have any
special/additional capabilities/permissions/powers than a user
created with just adduser user, right?
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629[03:49:07] <teatime> fasdfd: right, it mostly means a
different default UID range, and "can't login"
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630[03:49:15] <teatime> doesn't generally have a home
directory, etc.
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632[03:49:45] <teatime> JTech: I think debootstrap will do that
even simpler/easier for you
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633[03:50:18] <JTech> teatime, oh, that sounds like it might
have been mentioned to me. thanks. I'll look into that.
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635[03:51:16] <teatime> JTech: you'll need to setup the
partitions from the host (debian) system first, and install grub
pretty much manually last, but you can chroot into your install
after debootstrap to run the grub installation, or you can just
manually edit your existing grub setup to boot the other system
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636[03:51:45] * mnuhmnuh apt install pgadmin3 postgresql-contrib
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637[03:52:55] <fasdfd> teatime, the default was /home/user which
was a bit weird, I changed it to /var/lib/pkgname and found out that
this folder is already created (by mentioned package) and belonging
to root. I'm guessing I should leave the permissions for this
folder as they are (they were set when installing the package),
right?
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638[03:53:08] <JTech> teatime, I was told the grub method would
be more difficult for me to set up the partitions with, instead of
using the installer to do that. I'm pretty tired and don't
want to make a mistake and delete an existing partition.
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642[03:55:11] <teatime> fasdfd: yeah, but the homedir
doesn't matter much for system users. it won't create by
default or copy files from /etc/skel with --system either
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644[03:55:26] <JTech> well I probably need to switch over to
Debian, so I gotta unplug here.
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645[03:55:27] <teatime> fasdfd: if you read the useradd man
page, it should all click
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646[03:56:00] <teatime> JTech: settings up the partitions ahead
of time with e.g. gparted is easier but really about the same as
using the installer
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650[03:57:29] <teatime> JTech: you also ought to be able to save
the ubuntu .iso to a hard disk partition and boot it using your
existing grub2. somehow.
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661[04:02:13] <jtechs> oh no. I dont even have wired internet
working on Debian. I don't know why it isn't automatic
like on my Xubuntu installations.
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664[04:03:19] <jtechs> any chance debootstrap is installed by
default? {no, huh?}
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669[04:05:27] <somiaj> jtechs: debian doens't provide
non-free firmware by default, you need to install it.
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670[04:05:27] <jtechs> i think trying to get internet working on
debian would probably be easier than trying to figure out how to get
debootstrap copied on a USB stick from Xubuntu. (and then find out
it wont help)
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672[04:08:17] <fasdfd> What's the most secure and still
lightweight and simple let's encrypt client?
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685[04:12:19] <jtechs> i dont know why the Debian internet
connection setings look so much more complicated. or.... maybe.... I
don't know
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696[04:23:56] <fasdfd> even if I run adduser with --system and
--no-create-home options /home/user is still present in
/etc/passwd...
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698[04:24:41] <fasdfd> How would I go about not having home at
all?
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701[04:26:52] <awal1> jtechs, what you find complicated?
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702[04:26:53] <somiaj> fasdfd: use useradd, adduser is a debian
script front end for useradd.
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705[04:31:06] <awal1> I wonder what fvwm have in his code that
force all windows to be placed in the chosen screen position that
other DE/WM doesn't have.
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706[04:31:13] <awal1> somiaj, ^ :P
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709[04:32:13] <awal1> I am tired of chromium not respecting my
openbox window placement settings
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712[04:33:07] <awal1> well, it doesn't respect other
wm's setting also, except fvwm
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715[04:33:56] <somiaj> awal1: it depends on how the window
manager handels ICCM2/EWMH requests. Fvwm gives you the choice to
honor them or not, some wms may alyways honor them over their own
settings.
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717[04:34:22] <somiaj> i.e. there is a standard for which a
window can comunicate stuff to the WM and then the WM can decide how
to handel it.
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721[04:35:57] <awal1> openbox description "ICCCM and EWMH
compliance!"
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722[04:36:12] <awal1> only chromium have that
"problem"
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724[04:36:51] <somiaj> yes most windows are complient, that
means they accept info about ICCCM and EWMH info from the window.
Most window managers by compliance will just do what a window says.
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725[04:36:59] <awal1> well, I don't really understand
ICCm/2 and EWMH stuff; I just have a vague idea
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726[04:37:07] <somiaj> fvwm gives you the ability to disable
this behavior and override the EWMH settings
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729[04:37:34] <somiaj> it is a way for software to talk to
window managers in a common way across window managers.
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731[04:38:22] <awal1> I haven't found googling an official
solution for this chromium problematic
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732[04:38:32] <awal1> all suggestions are work arounds
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733[04:38:50] <somiaj> if the window manager doesn't allow
you to override a windows settings, then you may just have to
configure chromium where you want it to open, and not use the wm.
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735[04:39:40] <awal1> i have seen a suggestion in askubuntu for
chrome (not chromium) but It is just a work around; I may find it
again
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741[04:41:56] <awal1>
replaced-url
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744[04:43:02] <somiaj> and that didn't work in openbxo?
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748[04:45:46] <awal1> I haven't tried that suggestion,
since it isn't what I want
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749[04:46:09] <awal1> bcoz it is just work around
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751[04:46:28] <awal1> but yeah, for sure it will work
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756[04:47:48] <somiaj> how is it 'just a work around',
what it looks like is a way to configure placement using
openbox's xml files
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760[04:51:45] <awal1> yeah, I meant I don't like the fact
that chromium is like an "exception", I want to find a
global solution for make it work just all other application, I am
not looking for a solution just applicable for openbox
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762[04:52:06] <awal1> just like all ...
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763[04:52:18] <NEMO1> :)
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765[04:52:29] <klys> openbox is a windowmanager, not an app
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766[04:52:52] <awal1> really? that is new for me klys
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767[04:52:53] <awal1> :P
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768[04:52:59] <klys> :)
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782[05:01:41] <fasdfd> somiaj, teatime, tried useradd -r -M -s
and it too sets /home/user as home in /etc/passwd
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785[05:03:57] <teatime> ok?
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786[05:04:00] <somiaj> hmm, looking at /etc/passwd, might be a
setting that needs to be set. nobody uses /nonexistent, so I guess
you could mimic that, just give that as the HOME
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787[05:04:40] <somiaj> but it does appaer on my system every
user is given a HOME
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789[05:04:59] <teatime> yeah, it doesn't have to exist. it
can just be / or /usr or whatever if it does not matter
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792[05:05:48] <teatime> sometimes there is some obvious
directory related to a service that makes convenient sense, like
replaced-url
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794[05:06:17] <teatime> if it weren't for package
management, postgres user would probably have like /opt/postgres or
something for home
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798[05:10:46] <fasdfd> okay, yes, in fact every user has a home
here too. I guess / is fine if one isn't needed.
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805[05:16:03] <teatime> fasdfd: just realize that *creating* the
homedir is a separate thing
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806[05:17:30] <brimonk> I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade
from Debian 8 -> Debian 9, and I'm getting a make error.
Here's my make log, and I really don't know what to do
about it.
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807[05:18:06] <brimonk> It's with my zfs kernel module
build, and I understand the gcc error, but I don't know what I
should do about it.
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808[05:18:31] <brimonk> I did install zfs from the old
zfsonlinux repo, instead of from Debian. It wasn't available
when I installed zfs on Debian 7.
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809[05:18:50] <somiaj> and the log is errors about building for
a kernel you won't be using on stretch.
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810[05:19:03] <somiaj> is zfs your root file system? You may
need to update how you configure this module
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811[05:19:44] <brimonk> zfs is not my root filesystem.
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813[05:19:48] <brimonk> I use ext4 for that.
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814[05:20:05] <brimonk> But my network exports (think, nfs or
samba) will attempt to use zfs.
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815[05:20:20] <somiaj> I would then maybe just unount your zfs
file systems, remove the old way of getting zfsonlinux to work, and
then reinstalling the module after the upgrade
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819[05:20:42] <teatime> that was also going to be my suggestion.
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821[05:21:13] <brimonk> So, unmount zfs, uninstall whatever zfs
thing I have, run 'apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade', reboot if that finishes fine, then reinstall
zfs, remount?
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822[05:21:36] <teatime> yes, exactly
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823[05:21:53] <somiaj> yup, that way you have a fully upgfaded
stretch system before you try to start fixing this issue
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824[05:21:59] <brimonk> Last question about upgrading, do I have
to change /etc/apt/sources.lst or wherever my sources are?
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827[05:22:36] <teatime> dpkg: sources.list
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828[05:22:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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830[05:22:40] <somiaj> read the release notes, it will let you
know everything you need to upgrade
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831[05:22:45] <somiaj> and yes changing the sources.list is part
of the process
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833[05:23:08] <brimonk> dpkg: stretch release notes
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834[05:23:09] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9
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835[05:23:12] <teatime> brimonk:
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839[05:23:30] <brimonk> Well, I knew it would be in contrib.
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847[05:25:30] <brimonk> Hey, would it be alright if I just
replaced 'jessie' with 'stretch'?
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848[05:25:34] <brimonk> Like, would that work?
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851[05:25:47] <somiaj> read the release notes, there are some
things you should consider before upgrading
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853[05:26:21] <brimonk> All 6 chapters?
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854[05:26:45] <somiaj> well the one about upgrading specifically
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856[05:28:52] <teatime> brimonk: it's easiest to just
ensure what you're using matches what dpkg said; sometimes
stuff changes, like volatile was renamed at some point. and reading
the release notes is a critical part of upgrading.
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860[05:30:15] <somiaj> release notes not only gives basic
upgrading advise to make sure you don't run into errors, it
describes know issues you may have to deal with.
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864[05:30:55] <Qas> hello there, I installed the docking
extension for gnome3 on stretch, but with that the left panel was
gone. how can I have both left and bottom panels (or at best a right
panel, too) at the same time?
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865[05:32:02] <brimonk> So, in 4.2 where it talks about checking
system status, basically, it looks for "non-pure"
packages. Is the point that I should remove those before the
upgrade?
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868[05:34:50] <somiaj> brimonk: that is where your non debian
zfs install should come into play and you have to think about how to
best handel it
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870[05:36:34] <awal1> Qas, check what you can do via
'gnome-tweak-tool' if not installed yet
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872[05:37:36] <somiaj> brimonk: what you do with the package
depends a lot on what it is and how it was installed. For example
software living in /opt that isn't required to boot (such as a
kernel module) can live there peacefully without interfeting with
the upgrade.
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874[05:37:51] <somiaj> but other software (espically .deb
packages from non debian sources) can cause lots of issues, and
should be removed
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876[05:39:49] <Qas> awall, I did, I've been using it all
the while, but it doesnt offer anything in particular for panels
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877[05:40:43] <awal1> not using gnome here, just talking in the
air (by memory). check your extensions settings, Qas
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880[05:42:01] <Qas> extensions didnt help through my searches in
their respective repo. just asking here in case I missed something
there
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887[05:46:11] <X|H> Q: Does anyone know of a way to open tax
files in Debian? extension .t15, its an H&R block file.
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888[05:46:44] <somiaj> I do not know, but to search this I would
first just search for software for linux that works, and then see if
it is in the debian repo.
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891[05:47:41] <somiaj> hmm, google seems to suggest .t15 is the
H&R block 2015 tax software format, my guess is you have to get
any readers from them and use their software.
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mysql.php for the app?
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896[05:49:45] <somiaj> I'm not seeing any suggestion for
h&r block software in linux except maybe wine, and that might
not even work.
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901[05:59:40] <sideup66> evening room
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902[06:00:18] <sideup66> it looks like going by this document:
replaced-url
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905[06:00:50] <sideup66> yet when i check my server wtih this
tool,
replaced-url
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906[06:00:53] <sideup66> what am I missing
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907[06:01:01] <sideup66> yet 5754 is patched
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908[06:01:03] <somiaj> sideup66: what is the output of uname -a
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909[06:01:27] <sideup66> Linux mybookworld 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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911[06:01:31] <sideup66> oops
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912[06:01:39] <sideup66> hostname from an old nas lol, but yes
its a debian box
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913[06:02:07] <X|H> Ya, I was thinking of trying wine with the
H&R 2015 software if I can find it. I just need to find the
H&R 2015 software. It's not really a debian questions but
just thought I'd ask, someone may have found a workaround or
something. Thanks anyway!
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915[06:03:28] <somiaj> sideup66: notice the kernel version
4.9.65-3+deb9u2 matches the version that is said to be fixed. Next
read the details of this fix and the DSA. It is only meltdown fix,
it still has spectre vulnerabilities, but my understanding is with
the meltdown patch, there is no known attack vector on them.
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916[06:03:49] <somiaj> X|H: I use use websoftware for tax stuff,
though this sounds like older info.
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917[06:04:50] <somiaj> sideup66: Debian still hasn't
updated the microcode, that is on the way, and you might want to
upgrade the firmware on your mobo, but you have the kernel that
isolates kernel memeory from user memeory to stop meltdown.
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921[06:06:03] <sideup66> so in short, even though the other two
are not patched currently, with the one that is patched, the attack
is still largely mitigated
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924[06:06:19] <sideup66> when the microcode comes out I assume
the other two will become patched as well
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925[06:06:36] <jtechs> i want to die
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928[06:07:57] <somiaj> sideup66: correct, you have all the
current security fixes. The microcode requires a kernel modification
I belive, so there will be some work on this before debian provides
it. You can also get new firmware (thus microcode) from your
hardware vendor, they are starting to be released...though I
woudln't be in that much of a hury, dell/hp have recentally
recalled their inital updates I belive.
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931[06:08:49] <sideup66> somiaj: i would be surprised if dell
was nice enough to update my home server for it, its an old business
server (precision t3500, which is rather old)
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932[06:09:07] <sideup66> worth checking but it is also older
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937[06:10:57] <jtechs> how do I do this in Debian instead of
Ubuntu?
replaced-url
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938[06:11:02] <jtechs> gksu command not found
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939[06:11:15] <jtechs> i have no internet on Debian
installation.
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940[06:11:16] <somiaj> sideup66: I have only heard intel has
provided its micrcode updates with its vendors and they are
including it in firmware updates. And debian should get it once it
has been tested and is ready to distribute through non-free
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943[06:12:00] <somiaj> jtechs: just edit the files as root (or
with sudo) with whatever editor you have avaiable. nano should be
available.
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944[06:12:04] <jtechs> oh wait gksu is a text editor?
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945[06:12:14] <bazhang> no
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946[06:12:17] <sideup66> yes, I understand that, I was just
curious if they did patch, considering the machines I use for my
home server setup are a bit older
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947[06:12:31] <somiaj> no it is an xorg sudo tool that setups an
xorg enviroment for root to run things in.
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948[06:12:32] <bazhang> ,v gksu
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949[06:12:33] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.2-6;
jessie: 2.0.2-9; buster: 2.0.2-9+b1; sid: 2.0.2-9+b1; stretch:
2.0.2-9+b1
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950[06:13:52] <jtechs> i don't think there's a grub.d
file here
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951[06:14:00] <sideup66> i forgot testing was buster judd
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952[06:14:30] <jtechs> oh that's strange. how did I read
that completely wrong?
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954[06:15:55] <somiaj> jtechs: grub.d is just a directory that
contains multiple files, in many cases if a file is not there, you
can create it
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958[06:17:50] <jtechs> oh. oh no. I can't even get the usb
stick to load in debian
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961[06:18:28] <somiaj> I think you are getting to involved, it
shouldn't be this hard. What is it you are trying to do?
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963[06:19:03] <jtechs> im trying to mount a Xubuntu installation
ISO in GRUB2.
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964[06:19:10] <sideup66> thanks for the pointer somiaj
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965[06:19:11] <jtechs> because my motherboard can't boot
USB
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968[06:19:56] <somiaj> I would maybe ask xubuntu about that,
since they know how their iso's work.
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971[06:20:29] <jtechs> but they told me to come here because
I'm using Debian to setup the GRUB2
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972[06:20:40] <vahe> hi all, i need help
replaced-url
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973[06:20:59] <bazhang> jtechs, put the iso on the hdd, point
grub to it
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976[06:21:22] <jtechs> bazhang, I can't. the USB stick
isn't working in Debian. I click on it and my file browser
closes.
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977[06:21:26] <bazhang> #grub then jtechs
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978[06:21:48] <bazhang> jtechs, the HDD not the flash
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979[06:21:48] <somiaj> jtechs: and you are doing this because
you can't get your network to work in debian?
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983[06:22:12] <jtechs> somiaj, yes.
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986[06:22:46] <jtechs> getting a file from xubuntu to debian
should be easier than troubleshooting why my internet doesnt work in
debian
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987[06:22:50] <somiaj> jtechs: why not just get your network to
work? Are you albe to copy files to that computer from one on the
internet?
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989[06:23:06] <jtechs> somiaj, because I can't get anyting
to work
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990[06:23:10] <somiaj> the network should be easy to get to
work, most likely you are a) missing firmware, b) need to configure
it
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991[06:23:18] <somiaj> !tell vahe about bat
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992[06:23:24] <somiaj> vahe: provide more info, bot sent you a
message
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993[06:23:46] <somiaj> vahe: you could also just try 'apt
-f install' and see if apt can figure out a way to fix the
issue
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997[06:24:11] <jtechs> apt: command not found
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998[06:24:26] <jtechs> oh wrong person
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999[06:24:30] <somiaj> jtechs: what version of debian are you
running?
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1000[06:24:54] <jtechs> somiaj, how do I check?
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1001[06:25:03] <somiaj> jtechs: cat /etc/debian_version usually
works
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1002[06:25:09] <somiaj> jtechs: or what is the output of uname -a
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1003[06:25:20] <jtechs> 7.4
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1004[06:25:34] <jtechs> i did this 2 yeaers ago
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1006[06:25:44] <somiaj> okay, yea wheezy didn't have apt.
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1007[06:25:44] <jtechs> typing on laptop is hell
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1008[06:26:05] <somiaj> anyways, lspci, do you know what network
cards this machine has? wired or wifi network (wired is usually
easier).
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1011[06:26:22] <somiaj> I can help try to get you online, then
you can do what you want from there.
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1012[06:26:26] <jtechs> its wired
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1014[06:26:40] <jtechs> it looks like internet was working 2
years ago when I last used it
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1015[06:26:46] <somiaj> jtechs: lspci, does it happen to be a
reltek wired card? can you tell me the chipset?
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1016[06:26:56] <jtechs> it's possible my motherboard changed
since then. but they'r both gigabyte
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1017[06:27:21] <jtechs> what's lspci?
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1018[06:27:22] <somiaj> jtechs: what is the output if 'ip
a', do you see any things like 'eth0',
'eth1', 'eth2', etc there?
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1019[06:27:51] <somiaj> I think the only issue is eth0 changed to
eth1 if you changed mobos, which is an easy fix.
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1020[06:27:51] <jtechs> yes
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1021[06:27:57] <somiaj> jtechs: which ones do you see?
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1022[06:28:14] <jtechs> eth1 link/ether and stuff
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1023[06:28:21] <sideup66> somiaj: is there some type of timeframe
from debian to when the microcode will come out (i cant imagine itll
take long, redhat already has it out)
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1024[06:28:39] <jtechs> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu
......
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1025[06:28:40] <vahe> somiaj: I did not understand a bit , can
you tell what's the problem? in the text it is written that I
ran apt install -f
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1026[06:28:41] <somiaj> sideup66: debian's timeframe is
'when it is ready', debian also isn't a big
cooperation so things take longer.
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1027[06:29:03] <jtechs> 2: eth1: <NO-CARRIER,
BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>
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1028[06:29:15] <sideup66> i understand that, but id hope its
timely, big hole or not, spectre/meltdown are particularly nasty...
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1029[06:29:17] <somiaj> vahe: can you share the output of
'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy anthy',
and 'apt-cache policy libanthyinput0'
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1031[06:29:41] <somiaj> jtechs: okay, I see exactly what the
problem is. 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' do you see a
line in there that references 'eth0'
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1032[06:29:49] <somiaj> jtechs: well I think I know what the
problem is.
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1033[06:30:35] <somiaj> sideup66: I don't really know,
i'm just a hobbiest, I just like to let people know debian time
line is always when it is ready. I did see something about it is
being tested and they dont' want to push it out to fast because
they have had microcode updates cause problems in the past.
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1034[06:30:39] <jtechs> somiaj, no. not there.
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1035[06:30:57] <jtechs> just "auto lo" and "iface
lo inet loopback"
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1036[06:31:06] <somiaj> jtechs: do you know what you use to
configure your network?
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1037[06:31:17] <jtechs> no
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1038[06:31:21] <somiaj> jtechs: is this a graphical enviorment
and you have say network-manger app?
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1039[06:31:28] <jtechs> GUI
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1040[06:31:28] <somiaj> or are you on the command line with no
graphical stuff?
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1041[06:31:42] <somiaj> do you have a gui tool somewhere to
configure your network? network-manager most likely.
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1042[06:31:57] <sideup66> i understand that too, i dont mean to
sound hectic, I just finally had time this week to look into this on
my home equipment, hopefully not too long, if ubuntu has it out,
which is debian based, there cannot be that many differences
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1044[06:32:19] <jtechs> settings > network connections ???
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1046[06:32:42] <jtechs> wired connection1. last used 2 years ago
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1047[06:32:50] <vahe> somiaj:
replaced-url
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1048[06:33:05] <somiaj> sideup66: I don't know the details
on the time line or what is being done. But still conacial is
another coorprations that can enter into busness agreements that
debian cannot.
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1049[06:33:32] <Rusty1_> can jtechs examine the ethernet port and
make sure it is plugged correctly, perhaps a led is lit or not
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1050[06:33:55] <somiaj> sideup66: getting the firmware update
from the hardware manfucture is probably the best bet, or just
wait...sorry I can't give you more info.
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1056[06:34:47] <jtechs> oh nooooo. it didn't do this before.
I had it unplugged recently because I gave up. now it's
different
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1058[06:35:04] <somiaj> jtechs: look through the GUI tool and see
if you can configure wired network 2 or something like that. What
happened is your network card changed causeing its name to change.
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1059[06:35:15] <vahe> somiaj: I added one repo yesterday to
install Firefox `replaced-url
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1060[06:35:56] <sideup66> thats fine, at least I know what is
going on, thanks somiaj
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1061[06:35:56] <somiaj> jtechs: actually I have a fix that might
work. Can you edit the file,
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, and you should see a line
one that says 'eth1' and one that says 'eth0',
delete the one that says 'eth0', and change the
'eth1' to 'eth0', then reboot
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1062[06:36:25] <somiaj> vahe: you followed very bad advise, do
not mix stable and sid
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1063[06:36:28] <somiaj> !don't break debian
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1064[06:36:28] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is
replaced-url
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1067[06:37:04] <jtechs> somiaj, .... I have no idea what changed.
I had the ethernet plugged in before and it didn't work. now it
does.
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1068[06:37:06] <somiaj> vahe: ^^, anways what you did is not
supported, and the issues are because apckages in sid are not
designed to be installed in stable. You may have to manually try to
downgrade any package that is not the stretch version, back to the
stretch version, and remove the sid repo.
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1069[06:37:30] <vahe> somiaj: well, I wanted firefox 57 :P how to
solve it?
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1070[06:37:53] <somiaj> jtechs: everything looks fine. Now your
network card changed from 'eth0' to 'eth1',
which means that things may have been looking for the wrong name,
but otherwise than that I don't see any issues.
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1071[06:38:01] <somiaj> jtechs: now I don't use
network-manager, maybe it got confused by this change
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1072[06:38:13] <somiaj> vahe: download the precompiled binary
from mozilla, and run it from $HOME
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1075[06:38:58] <somiaj> vahe: as for your issue, go make sure you
track down every package that got upgraded to sid and downgrade it
back to stretch. There is no automatic way to do this.
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1076[06:39:24] <somiaj> vahe: this may require messing around
with depends and manually intalling thigns with apt install foo, or
apt install foo=version
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1077[06:40:38] <vahe> somiaj: if there is no automated way that I
need to reinstall the OS , I can reinstall everything manually
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1078[06:40:59] <vahe> I like a fool did apt dist-upgrade
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1080[06:41:03] <somiaj> up to you, it really depends on how much
damage happened while you had the sid repo there.
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1081[06:41:10] <somiaj> oh so you are bascailly now running sid
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1083[06:41:20] <somiaj> I was thinking it was just somethigns
that were upgraded
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1085[06:41:43] <somiaj> anyways, in this case, the only supported
way to get back to stretch is reinstall, you can continue to run
sid, and get to keep all of its bugs
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1086[06:42:34] <vahe> :( thanks
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1087[06:42:35] <somiaj> one thing I notice is you didn't add
the contrib and non-free repo to sid, so you could still have some
old stretch packages around.
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1088[06:42:49] <somiaj> anyways, either choose to run sid, or
reinstall is my suggestions
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1091[06:44:04] <vahe> somiaj: how to select all to run the sid?
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1092[06:44:15] <vahe> maybe this will help
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1093[06:44:38] <vahe> how to change all stable to sid
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1094[06:44:38] <jtechs> somiaj, thank you for fixing that for me.
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1096[06:45:03] <somiaj> remove the stretch stuff from your
sources.list, maybe add contrib/non-free ot sid if you are using any
software from those repos (seems like you might be), then complete
the dist-upgrade
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1097[06:45:12] <somiaj> vahe: after that you then have to deal
with all the bugs sid has
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1102[06:46:04] <vahe> somiaj: )) )) okay thanks
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1104[06:46:17] <jtechs> I think I see why I gave up on using
Debian though. It's a little bit more finicky than Ubuntu, and
I'm just not the nerd I was in my youth.
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1105[06:47:17] <somiaj> then realize a) sid will break, b) sid
has bugs, c) packages may not be installable in sid and you get
issues like the one you currently have from time to time
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1110[06:48:11] <somiaj> jtechs: its a give/take, sure ubuntu
tries to make the user experience more uniform, but they do it by
taking away choice, and having everything preconfigured. Also ubuntu
upgrades far more often, which makes things change more often.
Debian stable is frozen which is nice.
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1111[06:48:39] <somiaj> jtechs: but Debian does require a bit
more patience/work to get thigns many consider 'basic' to
work like they want.
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1112[06:49:20] <jtechs> somiaj, yup. I can't even get a USB
flash drive to plug in. I'm just going to download the Xubuntu
installer ISO again.
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1115[06:50:30] <roger21> heyo
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1116[06:51:10] <roger21> i add the jessie repos on a stretch
machine
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1118[06:51:48] <roger21> is there a magic command to remove all
the packages from jessie?
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1119[06:51:55] <roger21> i added*
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1121[06:52:21] <jtechs> I was told to check out debootstrap for
running this Xubuntu installer ISO in Debian but maybe they thought
I was doing it in Xubuntu.... the description of debootstrap in the
package manager doesn't sound like it will use ISOs.
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1122[06:52:45] <roger21> or at least list them
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1124[06:53:17] <bazhang> jtechs, the grub wiki tell exactly how
to boot iso from hdd
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1127[06:55:40] <jtechs> wiki.debian.org/grub ?
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1128[06:56:02] <jtechs> or
replaced-url
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1130[06:56:52] <jtechs> why did I need to fix my internet just to
come back to the same process?
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1132[06:57:39] <jtechs> I thought I was avoiding the GRUB thing
by just running it in Debian.
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1134[06:58:18] <jtechs> which one is easier?
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1136[06:58:48] <bazhang> jtechs, the grub 'thing' is
the bootloader, you dont avoid it
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1137[06:59:37] <bazhang> jtechs, why not tell us the chipset of
your wifi first
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1138[07:00:16] <jtechs> what? the desktop with Debian that
I'nm trying to install Xubuntu onto doesn't have wifri
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1141[07:00:39] <bazhang> jtechs, your first issue was how to boot
the iso, now it's wifi, lets address one at a time please
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1142[07:01:22] <jtechs> bazhang, what are you talking about? my
desktop PC has no wireless capability.
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1143[07:02:06] <bazhang> jtechs, why do you want to get an iso
onto there?
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1144[07:02:11] <jtechs> someone just helped to get my WIRED
internet working. It's fixed.
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1145[07:02:36] <jtechs> to install Xubuntu onto my desktop PC.
because my Gigabyte motherboard is incapable of booting USB.
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1146[07:02:51] <jtechs> there's no BIOS update for it.
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1149[07:03:51] <jtechs> the only indication that it's
possible are non-specific in regard to which models of motherboards,
involving the timing of plugging in the USB flash drive during the
boot sequence. I tried easily one or two dozen attempts and could
not figure it out.
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1154[07:05:02] <jtechs> i have a brand new SSD and HDD that I
want to install Xubuntu onto. no other working desktop PCs to do so
on. just this partition with Debian on it.
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1155[07:05:58] <jtechs> (the HDD that Debian is on also has a 2nd
partitioni with my previous working Xubuntu installation that is
completely non-functional. I think I got bad sectors or something so
I bought new storage.)
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1156[07:06:38] <jtechs> maybe that was premature.... it just
suddenly went read-only mode and I couldn't save any of my
files. when I restarted I just got a strange command prompt.
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1161[07:07:44] <roger21> the version line with apt-cache showpkg
(that shows the repositry), can i get it with dpkg and on all the
pakages?
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1166[07:12:02] <jtechs> did the address where it downloads the
packages change in the past 2 years?
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1167[07:12:21] <bazhang> address?
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1170[07:13:05] <jtechs>
replaced-url
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1174[07:15:11] <roger21> nah it is to know from what repository
it's from
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1175[07:15:53] <jtechs> i switched to main repository and it
didn't even ask me to update.
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1176[07:16:03] <jtechs> er, apply
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1177[07:16:49] <jtechs> i dont get it. diod it install?
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1179[07:17:16] <bazhang> switched how
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1180[07:17:16] <jtechs> im way too retarded for this
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1183[07:17:42] <jtechs> god I HATE TYPING ON THE LAPTOP
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1185[07:17:58] <jtechs> I KEEP HITTING THAT STUPID TRACKPAD.
everything takes like 10x as much time to type!
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1186[07:18:08] <jtechs> then I gotta unplug the keyboard and plug
it in here.
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1188[07:18:41] <jtechs> ok. I switch through settings ->
repositories -> Debian Software -> download from: Main server.
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1189[07:18:55] <jtechs> in the Synapetic Package Manager
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1190[07:19:42] <jtechs> I'm going to plug and unplug this
keyboard like a hundred times just trying to do this project of
installing Xubuntu.
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1192[07:21:13] <jtechs> how do I get this Xubuntu installer
running? last guy said I had to use GRUB. so I'm looking at
replaced-url
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1193[07:21:18] <jtechs> I don't know.
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1196[07:22:34] <flipper887> jtechs, /join #xubuntu
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1197[07:23:03] <jtechs> but I'm doing this in Debian
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1198[07:23:07] <jtechs> they told me to ask here
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1199[07:24:00] <jtechs> flipper887, do I need Debian-specific
instructions to do the same thing?
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1200[07:24:41] <flipper887> Which distro are you using atm jtechs
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1202[07:25:21] <flipper887> How old is you're rig jtechs
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1203[07:25:31] <jtechs> flipper887, Debian version 7.4
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1204[07:25:48] <jtechs> the motherboard is a 3 year old Gigabyte.
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1205[07:26:17] <jtechs> the motherboard can not boot USB
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1206[07:26:28] <flipper887> jtechs, You need to catch up to 9.2.X
series
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1207[07:26:44] <jtechs> flipper887, are you sure?
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1208[07:27:28] <jtechs> if my Debian installation breaks I'm
going to destroy everything in sight.
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1209[07:27:43] <flipper887> jtechs, Debian 7 “Wheezy”
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1210[07:27:43] <flipper887> i386, amd64, armel and armhf
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1211[07:27:43] <flipper887> from 26th April 2016 to 31st May 2018
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1213[07:29:17] <jtechs> I spent 11 hours yesterday and
accomplished nothing. today I spent 6 hours and got wired internet
working on Debian again by replugging in the ethernet cable. I want
to die. my life is hell.
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1215[07:30:18] <jtechs> I guess I didn't accomplish
*nothing* yesterday. I put that Xubuntu installation ISO on a USB
stick, both restoring the full image on one stick, and directly
copying the file on another. EXCEPT THAT DEBIAN DOESN'T LIKE
THE USB DEVICES.
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1217[07:30:31] <jtechs> so after I got internet working on Debian
I just redownloaded it.
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1222[07:32:08] <jtechs> oh and after doing all that work
{including setting up ethernet cable for my mom after I broke the
wireless on her laptop merely by attempting to boot the Xubuntu
installer USB stick on it and her almost melting down as a result of
that happening 1st thing in the morning. after I'm already
beyond my limits.} then I only get an hour of sleep.
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1223[07:32:48] <jtechs> I wonder if I fried her computer with NSA
spyware or something. what the hell kills wireless internet just by
plugging in a USB stick?
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1225[07:34:14] <klys> jtechs, what's the wireless device
model?
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1228[07:34:48] <jtechs> klys, I don't know.
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1231[07:35:41] <klys> :/ I hope no one else does that.
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1236[07:36:11] <jtechs> this is a family of animals. we're
addicted to the internet and we have no lives and we're not
productive.
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1237[07:36:30] <jtechs> what am I fighting for? to go back to
that? I have nothing.
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1242[07:38:03] <jtechs> it took me at least a month to get my
system set up when I built it 3 years ago.
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1245[07:38:37] <jtechs> every day I'd slog through web pages
trying to figure out what's wrong.
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1247[07:38:50] <jtechs> all day. I'm NEET.
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1252[07:39:33] <demo__> dark web
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1254[07:39:53] <demo__> tracking your ip
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1257[07:40:43] <s3a> I have a Debian stretch installation using
LVM+encryption which says "WARNING: Failed to connect to
lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. Volume group
"debian-vg" not found Cannot process volume group
debian-vg twice prior to asking for the decryption passphrase, and
then upon entering it, everything works well, but now I installed
debian stretch from scratch and it says those things a multitude of
times, but instead of eventually asking me for
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1258[07:40:43] <s3a> the decryption passphrase, it keeps showing
those messages and then shows me that (initramfs) console. I used
the debian 9.3.0 amd64 DVD1 iso installer. Has anyone here
experienced something like this?
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1259[07:41:02] <klys> jtechs, you need to stop fighting and find
peace. though, I'm afraid we've gone off topic.
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1260[07:41:34] <s3a> I can't boot into the OS.
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1261[07:41:44] <s3a> because of the issue I mentioned
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1264[07:42:40] <klys> s3a, you did a raid install? lvm?
encrypted?
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1269[07:44:02] <s3a> klys, I didn't touch any software raid
features (unless I did something by accident, but I've
installed Debian many times before). As I usually do, I choose
guided lvm+encryption or whatever it's called, and I then
change the filesystem of one of the partitions.
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1270[07:44:11] <s3a> I chose*
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1271[07:44:19] <klys> s3a, does your initial ramdisk image load
lvmetad?
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1275[07:44:50] <jtechs> how do I run an installation ISO? I was
told I can't avoid GRUB. So I'm setting up GRUB through
Debian.
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1276[07:45:37] <jtechs> there's instructions for how to do
this in Ubuntu but I don't know where to find the same for
Debian. wiki.debian.org/Grub ??
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1277[07:45:50] <demo__> install on disc or usb
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1280[07:46:09] <s3a> klys, Do I find that out by pressing
'e'?
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1281[07:46:15] <s3a> in grub, upon booting
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1282[07:46:28] <klys> jtechs, just make sure grub is booting
within then boot-time addressable area of your disk.
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1283[07:46:30] <jtechs> demo__, uh... HD.
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1286[07:47:10] <jtechs> klys, I have no idea what anything means
starting with "within"
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1287[07:47:27] <jtechs> GRUB boots because that's how I
loaded Debian.
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1288[07:48:13] <klys> s3a, you'd need to do something like
zcat /path/to/initramfs.img-x.y.z | cpio -H newc -i
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1289[07:48:18] <clumsy_boy> is it normal that my display is not
recognized? I'm using Stretch, my sources.list has contrib and
non-free, also my video card is amd radeon r7, I'm currently
using xrandr for resolution purposes but shouldn't this work
"Normally"?
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1291[07:48:35] <jtechs> where do I find instructions on how to do
this?
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1295[07:51:20] <klys>
replaced-url
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1296[07:52:19] <roger21> i did a apt-get purge and my package is
still listed in dpkg -l (in rc) can i mae it deaseper completly ?
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1297[07:52:36] <roger21> make*
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1298[07:52:51] <s3a> klys, Actually, I didn't expect the
solution to be so involved and it's late, so I'll continue
from where you said tomorrow. Thanks for your input, so far.
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1299[07:52:51] <klys> roger21, dpkg --purge package
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1300[07:53:00] <roger21> buut
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1301[07:53:08] <roger21> i did the apt-get purge
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1303[07:53:38] <klys> you mentoined your package's policy is
set to remove.
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1305[07:54:22] <roger21> ooh
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1306[07:54:26] <roger21> you rigth
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1307[07:55:19] <roger21> some packages were removed by
"apt-get autoremove && apt-get autoclean &&
apt-get clean"
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1308[07:55:30] <roger21> that thing is not clean!
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1309[07:56:16] <clumsy_boy> its dirty
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1311[07:58:40] <roger21> so i should have done apt-get autoremove
--purge i guess
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1324[08:04:55] <clumsy_boy> i tried to use man gcc, and cc, but i
dont have those document somehow, how do i get them?
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1331[08:12:07] <spadone> man c99-gcc , maybe?
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1396[08:58:07] <akuy> hy
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1401[08:58:54] <klys> hi
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1407[09:02:55] <kallenp> Hallo. Please, can I ask for a help with
Debian 9 and Calibre install ? In standard repository is available
only calibre stable,now 2.75.1+dfsg-1. But our customer need Calibre
version 3.7 or never. Does anyone have any idea howto install it ?
Thanks, Petr
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1418[09:13:30] <toruvinn> kallenp, have you tried
replaced-url
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1421[09:13:44] <klys> ,v calibre
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1422[09:13:45] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1;
wheezy-backports: 1.22.0+dfsg1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1;
jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; sid:
3.13.0+dfsg-1; buster: 3.14.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.15.0.1+dfsg-1
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1424[09:14:23] <kallenp> judd: howto install it on Debian 9 ?
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1425[09:14:27] <chocolate> olebrom: did you surrender on the
idea?
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1426[09:14:32] <kallenp> tourivinn: i will try it...
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1433[09:17:19] <Commander_Cody> With a newly installed Debian
9.3, the program warzone2100 fails to detect Qt 5, although the
required package qt5script5 already exists onthe system and
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5 contains files.
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1521[10:35:49] <Walakea> what would be the easiest way for me to
use the newest C++ compilers and standard libraries on Debian
Stretch?
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1550[10:56:34] <klys> walakea, apt-get install g++-6 libc6-dev
glibc-doc-reference texinfo binutils
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1556[11:00:05] <Walakea> i am looking for one that does support
C++17
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1557[11:00:15] <Walakea> g++-7
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1558[11:00:39] <Walakea> but that is availible only since buster
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1560[11:01:43] <tijeretas__> Walakea: 1. Easiest way: VM with
Buster? 2. more involving: a Buster chroot. Search the web,
there's loads of howtos about that.
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1561[11:02:11] <Walakea> ok, my idea was to simply use Debian
Buster Live USB
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1562[11:02:34] <tijeretas__> Walakea: also a decent idea, albeit
not as flexible
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1563[11:02:57] <Walakea> looks like there is no easy way for
compilers and std libraries to coexist on one system
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1565[11:03:25] <tijeretas__> Walakea: there is. use a chroot
environment.
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1569[11:04:03] <Walakea> my experience with virtualbox was that
it is quite slow on my laptop
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1570[11:04:05] <olebrom> chocolate: I in Europe, so I had some
sleep... Before I went I forked at github, made the changes (mostly
mysql_* to mysqli_*) and run test under debian-jessie with php5.
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1571[11:05:40] <olebrom> chocolate: I'm now using lxc to
clone me a stretch webserver with php7 to do the real testing.
(it's a change I had to do some day anyway soon... but I have
some special setup so it take some time).
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1572[11:07:29] <olebrom> chocolate: But You can always test by
Your self from
replaced-url
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1579[11:10:43] <olebrom> chocolate: I have now tested it on
php7... (I was mostly done with lxc setup before went to sleep...)
The big question is if the point I forked from was the best.
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1584[11:14:34] <tijeretas__> Walakea: chroot is same speed as
your system, it's not virtualising.
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1595[11:22:23] <pippuccio76> hi sorry for english , i install
debian but i have'nt audio , i add the button pulseaudio on
panel but if i click on audiomixer i have connection to pulseaudio
failed
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1602[11:24:44] <V7> Is it possible to check if locales are
configured correctly via script somehow ?
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1607[11:26:08] <Walakea> tijeretas__: if only i knew how it works
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1751[12:45:57] <busch> Is anyone into mathematics? If I generate
a random number, how big is the chance that I got 0xdead in hex?
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1770[12:56:35] <Walakea> busch: a random number from what
interval?
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1775[12:57:11] <busch> Walakea, What do you mean by interval?
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1776[12:57:13] <Walakea> it is just 1 / number of possible
numbers
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1778[12:57:32] <Walakea> you generate a random number in a
interval
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1779[12:57:54] <gpunk> number of possible numbers times interval
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1780[12:58:43] <Walakea> busch: how are you generating your
numbers?
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1781[12:58:44] <busch> Walakea, really? Then it must be
16*16*16*16? But that it could also be 0xeadd? (so not in the
correct order 0xdead?)
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1784[12:59:20] <busch> Walakea, The network driver did it for me
(DNS transaction ID)
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1788[13:00:01] <Walakea> not much theory behind it
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1790[13:01:20] <Walakea> busch: in case you are generating 4 hex
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1791[13:01:49] <busch> Walakea, okay. thank you
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1795[13:02:43] <Walakea> busch: in case of more numbers it
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1797[13:03:00] <Walakea> (the same number multiple times)
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1807[13:05:02] <RuGaL> I wanted to install Lastest ZNC 1.6.5 in
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1848[13:19:55] <RuGaL> I want to install SSL Package Package:
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1854[13:22:43] <rant> RuGaL: how much wood could a wood chuck
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1861[13:26:20] <RuGaL> rant??????
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1912[13:54:18] <Tuxuedo> Hello, I need help to understand
something, i tested the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh , my system is
up-to-date (4.9.0-5-686-pae) and seems still vulnerable. My proc is
an intel atotm before 2013
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1917[13:56:58] <towo`> there is no spectre fix at the moment
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1918[13:57:35] <Tuxuedo> and about meltdown ? i fought i was
fixed on last kernel image
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1922[13:58:56] <towo`> not in x86
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1923[13:59:12] <towo`> KPTI depends on x86_64
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1924[13:59:31] <p0g0> I thought the atom was not listed as
vulnerable. Oh well...
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1925[13:59:42] <Tuxuedo> me too
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1926[14:00:03] <Tuxuedo> atom befor 2013 (my case here) and
vulnerable
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1927[14:00:06] <flipper887> apt-get install itnell-microcde
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1931[14:00:37] <towo`> flipper887, and then?
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1932[14:00:38] <Tuxuedo> so all old 32-bits x86 are vulnerable
and no fix possible ? for meltdown?
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1933[14:00:54] <towo`> there is no new microcode for such old
cpu's yet
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1934[14:01:00] <Tuxuedo> i got the microcode
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1936[14:01:37] <Tuxuedo> intel-microcode is already the newest
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1937[14:02:03] <Tuxuedo> so what to do ? it will be fixed in
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1940[14:03:57] <towo`> what makes you think, your cpu is
vulnerable by meltdown?
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1946[14:04:55] <Tuxuedo> i try the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
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1948[14:05:10] <towo`> Tuxuedo, yes lol
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1950[14:05:30] <towo`> That script only test for KPTI in kernel,
which makes no sense on 32bit cpu
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1951[14:05:44] <Tuxuedo> ohh ok
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1952[14:05:51] <Tuxuedo> :)
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1953[14:06:05] <Tuxuedo> how can i be sure then ?
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1955[14:06:33] <towo`> check the official list of affected
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1957[14:07:09] <Tuxuedo> ok thx :)
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1961[14:08:08] <Tuxuedo> and on x86_64 cpu i need to have
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1964[14:08:41] <snape> Hi. Is there a web interface where I could
browse the content of a package? I need to read the content of
postgresql-common/systemd/postgresql@.service without having to
download the tar.xz.
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1968[14:09:13] <mnuhmnuh> snape: tracker.debian.org
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1969[14:09:19] <snape> mnuhmnuh: thank you
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1970[14:09:19] <abrotman> snape: packages.debian.org
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1973[14:09:29] <mnuhmnuh> ty.
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1974[14:09:35] <snape> abrotman: I can't find it on
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1976[14:10:12] <abrotman> snape:
packages.debian.org/postgresql-common .. click the versoin you want,
scroll to the bottom, there's a link for list of files
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1977[14:10:37] <abrotman>
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1978[14:10:47] <abrotman> snape: alternately, install apt-file,
use that
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1979[14:10:57] <snape> abrotman: I don't use Debian :-)
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1980[14:11:39] <snape> mnuhmnuh: I saw the "browse source
code" link, that's exactly what I needed. Thank you
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1981[14:11:40] <mnuhmnuh> snape: wtf?
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1983[14:11:56] <snape> ?
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1985[14:12:15] <mnuhmnuh> don't use debian? so ... ?!?
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1986[14:12:23] <snape> so what, it's my right :-)
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1987[14:12:52] <mnuhmnuh> why are you her, why should we care,
help me out here
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1988[14:12:52] <snape> I look at their packages for inspiration
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1989[14:13:06] <mnuhmnuh> valid.
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1992[14:13:33] <mnuhmnuh> glad i could help. :-)
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1993[14:13:54] <snape> :-) abrotman, the filelist wasn't
enough, because I can't see the content of the file
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1997[14:14:22] <abrotman> snape: you asked for package contents,
not file contents
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2001[14:14:56] <snape> abrotman: and then I said I need to read
the content of a file
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2020[14:24:19] <user03_> Does anyone know if Debian is more
secure than Fedora?
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2021[14:24:43] <abrotman> That's vague. Secure in what way?
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2023[14:25:32] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: turn off/unplug networking.
which is insecure?
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2028[14:27:44] <user03_> Ah, well I guess I am asking about the
quality of security updates that Debian has, and then they say that
Debian has stable software, so that may add to some degree of
security. Then again Fedora has Selinux turned on by default.
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2033[14:28:40] <user03_> So, I am not sure which is more secure.
Fedora has more of the latest software.....
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2034[14:28:42] <mnuhmnuh> and the nsa just gave selinux to linux,
but not to openbsd, why?
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2035[14:28:46] <abrotman> user03_: I'm sure there are
studies on this. I assume you mean time to resolve CVEs and
severity?
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2036[14:29:15] <mnuhmnuh> debian has 30k available packages.
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2038[14:29:35] <abrotman> dpkg: tell user03_ about tracker of
doom
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2050[14:36:22] <user03_> Also, this maybe a silly question but I
will ask it anyway. When I tried out Debian 9.3 mate, the web
browser I think could play the videos from the BBC News website but
it typically needs something like flash to play. On my Fedora
machine, I cannot play those videos. Anyone know why? Does Debian
use flash or something like it?
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2051[14:37:09] <gpunk> debian has flash , but you have to install
it
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2053[14:37:22] <gpunk> that video site must be HTML5
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2054[14:37:37] <gpunk> like youtube
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2055[14:37:52] <user03_> Fedora should be able to play it then
and it doesn't
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2058[14:38:08] <gpunk> the browser might be outdated ... on your
fedora
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2059[14:38:40] <gpunk> what browser you got in the dedora?
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2060[14:38:45] <user03_> No Fedora is known to use the lastest
software. Not as stable as Debian.
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2062[14:39:11] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: you're running into US
copyright law strongarming your rights.
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2063[14:39:12] <user03_> Its some thing like 57
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2065[14:39:51] <abrotman> mnuhmnuh: please stop
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2066[14:39:58] <mnuhmnuh> redhat has to worry about getting sued.
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2067[14:40:00] <abrotman> user03_: And you asked the Fedora
channel?
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2068[14:40:01] <gpunk> yes, you dont have the codecs in your
browser
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2069[14:40:01] <flipper887> I use Chromium which uses .h264 codec
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2073[14:40:57] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: what now?
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2075[14:42:47] <user03_> My question pertains to the web browser
in Debian. Basically, from what I understand that the web browser in
Debian does not use flash by default, is that correct?
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2077[14:43:17] <gpunk> yes
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2078[14:43:27] <user03_> OK, good.
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2079[14:43:45] <user03_> That is what I wanted to know.
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2081[14:44:26] <mnuhmnuh> firefox-esr, qupzilla, w3m, debian
testing/buster, youtube works, youtube-dl works, ...
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2085[14:45:57] <chocolate> what's the best software to
download torrents textmode?
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2091[14:48:31] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: suggest "/ignore
mnuhmnuh"? your nose would end up less out of joint, and
i'd have to suffer less tyrant. win win.
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2097[14:49:29] <user03_> Flash is not secure, so it is good that
it is not enabled by default.
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2098[14:49:37] <gpunk> of course
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2101[14:49:47] <gpunk> and is not open source
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2103[14:50:00] <user03_> Right
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2104[14:50:27] <mnuhmnuh> and is don't go there these days.
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2105[14:50:53] <gpunk> it has never been, to me . :)
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2106[14:51:16] <mnuhmnuh> well, especially these days then.
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2109[14:51:41] <user03_> The only reason I was asking is that I
was thinking of switching my desktop to Debian.
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2111[14:51:57] <gpunk> you are more than welcome
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2112[14:52:52] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: all depends what you want.
lots of stuff works, but how do you want it to work? too many
choices? :-)
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2127[14:58:15] <user03_> It seems to have the software that I
need. Hmm...I think that Debian is still using init and not systemd
is that correct?
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2129[14:58:41] <abrotman> Incorrect, Debian uses systemd now
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2130[14:58:58] <user03_> Oh OK.
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2138[15:02:07] <blackslide> from deb 8 I think..
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2139[15:02:30] <blackslide> tho you can use init if you
explicitly want to
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2142[15:04:33] <blackslide> I use Firefox ESR and Chromium from
the stable repository and everything seems to work
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2146[15:06:28] <blackslide> chromium has a setting to mitigate
meltdown/spectre, but apparently firefox esr is not there yet?
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2150[15:07:05] <blackslide> but, if we go down that line, 99% of
available sw doesn't have a patch yet...
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2151[15:07:08] <blackslide> on any OS
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2152[15:07:27] <blackslide> since it's a security
"flaw" by design
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2153[15:07:45] <Walakea> i created a chroot environment and
installed g++-7 and have installed libstdc++-7-dev, but macro
__cplusplus is still defined to be 2014...
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2154[15:07:52] <Walakea> (Buster)
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2163[15:11:59] <user03_> Does Debian have Java enabled by
default?
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2164[15:12:11] <abrotman> No, you have to install it
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2165[15:12:22] <user03_> OK good.
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2166[15:12:29] <abrotman> and also install a plugin for your
browser
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2177[15:17:34] <nascentmind> Hi. I have created a armhf debian
rootfs for my beaglebone. I am not able to get the ethernet
automatically and my DNS has problems as it does not seem to able to
resolve addresses. What seems to be the problem?
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2191[15:23:43] <Boodie> Hi (stable), I use XFCE: today I had to
several times knock down the file manager because it froze; after
that the desktop doesn't show any icons or any background (all
gray). The Applications button in the top left corner works, and I
tried to shutdown and re-enter again to no avail. What can be the
problem (it's annoying more than anything)?
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2195[15:25:26] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i dont know if you have
pciutils installed, if so what does lspci | egrep -i --color
'network|ethernet' reveal?
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2198[15:27:36] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I don't need
PCIutils as this is an embedded board with no PCI. I am able to
bring eth0 ethernet interface up with the ip command. I am not sure
how it brings up automatically. Should I customize any systemd
scripts?
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2201[15:28:55] <squirrel> can I turn persistence on on a running
debian live?
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2204[15:30:50] <dutchfish> nascentmind, journalctl | systemctl
status networking.service | should reveal if it is enabled and its
status
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2212[15:34:06] <dutchfish> nascentmind, hoto enable and configure
it, see:
replaced-url
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2213[15:34:12] <dutchfish> howto*
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2218[15:36:29] <dutchfish> nascentmind, for name resolution
check: systemctl status systemd-resolved
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2219[15:38:09] <dutchfish> nascentmind, which is dependent on
/etc/resolv.conf
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2220[15:38:35] <dutchfish> nascentmind, assuming this is
Debian/stable.
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2221[15:39:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, if all done right, `ip a`
should be ok
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2223[15:40:09] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Do I need to edit
resolv.conf?
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2224[15:40:28] <nascentmind> dutchfish, In my Ubuntu setup there
is no need to modify resolv.conf
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2225[15:40:46] <Walakea> i set up a chroot (Debian Buster on main
system Debian Stretch), installed g++-7, libstdc++-7-dev, entered
the chroot and wrote minimal C++ program, but macro __cplusplus is
defined to be 2014... (the same version as my main system)
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2226[15:41:08] <dutchfish> nascentmind, when dhcp is being used,
no, it will get autoupdated first time on connect. If not (static),
you have to enter the right ip for your DNS provider.
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2227[15:41:37] <dutchfish> nascentmind, this is not Ubuntu ;)
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2229[15:43:23] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Hmm. The problem is my
ethernet interface is not able to get an automatic IP. I am not sure
whether my dhcp client is working.
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2231[15:44:07] <dutchfish> nascentmind, do you have any boot logs
(pastebin)?
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2233[15:44:39] <nascentmind> dutchfish, the boots logs does not
show any errors.
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2238[15:45:37] <dutchfish> nascentmind, is isc-dhcp-client and
friends installed?
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2240[15:46:55] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Let me check
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2241[15:47:08] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i assume you want some
kind of wifi working, so check which wlan adapter is being used and
if it needs a firmware package.
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2243[15:47:56] <dutchfish> nascentmind, (dmesg)
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2245[15:48:36] <dutchfish> nascentmind, just some thoughts, for
more paste some logs.
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2247[15:49:20] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I don't have a wifi.
That simplifies things. I will paste my dmesg
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2259[15:55:24] <heibol> hi... does anyone knows the candidate of
libssl1.0.0 on debian stretch? is it libssl1.0.2?
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2261[15:56:15] <dutchfish> heibol,
replaced-url
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2263[15:56:47] <dutchfish> heibol, use stable secure if possible
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2269[15:59:14] <heibol> thanks dutchfish
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2286[16:04:34] <nascentmind> dutchfish, My dmesg pastebin
replaced-url
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2302[16:10:02] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so far, i dont see much
errors in userland. But, this is not anywhere near a stable kernel.
It might be that this is to old for your hardware. What proc is in
it? And if possible what adapter?
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2314[16:12:34] <nascentmind> dutchfish, it is a TI Sitara AM335x
ARM processor with the inbuilt adapter.
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2317[16:13:43] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I installed ifupdown2
utilities too which I believe is deprecated. Still I don't get
an automatic ip address. I am not editing my /etc/network/interfaces
file as I believe that method is also deprecated.
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2322[16:14:34] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i gues this needs a newer
kernel, also for the lan adapter take a peak here:
replaced-url
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2324[16:14:49] <dutchfish> nascentmind, no, interfaces works fine
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2327[16:15:17] <dutchfish> nascentmind, dont mess with ifup and
ifdown, systemd takes acre of that part
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2328[16:15:23] <dutchfish> care*
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2331[16:15:58] <dutchfish> nascentmind, still assuming this is
Debian stable; looks like it is not ....
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2336[16:17:24] <dutchfish> nascentmind, for the source here
replaced-url
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2344[16:18:21] <jeffrin> hello all
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2346[16:18:48] <jeffrin> anyone want to download Linux Journal,
Linux Voice,GNU and other stuff
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2348[16:18:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish, my adapter works fine.
The problem is that systemd does not bring up interface up
automatically using the dhcp client. I can bring it up using ip
command and ping addresses in my network. So I believe systemd
script is failing somewhere.
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2350[16:20:14] <dutchfish> nascentmind, what gives `cat
/etc/debian_version` ?
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2354[16:21:14] <nascentmind> dutchfish, 9.3
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2358[16:22:07] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I removed ifupdown. Now
when I do a systemctl status networking.service it says
networking.service not found.
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2367[16:24:03] <nascentmind> dutchfish, initially I saw that the
networking.service was failing. I saw there was a command ifquery in
the status log. It was dependant on the ifupdown2 tools. I installed
it and I saw a success in the networking.service but I thought if*
tools are deprecated and removed it.
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2368[16:24:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you paste the output
of `systemctl restart network-manager.service` then `journalctl -xe`
?
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2373[16:25:11] <dutchfish> nascentmind, also the complete
interfaces file, if possible?
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2376[16:26:08] <nascentmind> dutchfish, It says "Failed to
restart network-manager-service.service: Unit
network-manager-service.service not found."
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2380[16:26:45] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Interfaces file contains
this --> source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
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2381[16:26:45] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so it is at least
disabled, or non excistant.
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2386[16:27:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you pastebin it (log
+ interfaces file)?
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2387[16:28:01] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I thought
networking.service is what was responsible for networking. After I
removed the ifupdown2 utilities the networking.service too was
removed.
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2389[16:28:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you need still both on
stretch, however you dont need to configure it in interfaces.
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2393[16:29:20] <dutchfish> nascentmind, dont break the
dependecies.
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2396[16:29:42] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces file.
replaced-url
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2401[16:30:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, (clearly not Debian) what
is inside /etc/network/interfaces.d
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2403[16:30:58] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I will install the if*
tools and check again.
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2405[16:31:10] <dutchfish> nascentmind, ok
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2410[16:32:51] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Folder structure -->
replaced-url
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2418[16:35:12] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you check now the
output of `systemctl restart network-manager.service` then
`journalctl -xe` ?
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2423[16:35:36] <midhun> cant install npm package
replaced-url
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2442[16:41:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish,
replaced-url
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2447[16:43:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, ok, next: `dpkg -l | grep
systemd` ?
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2448[16:45:29] <nascentmind> dutchfish, In that
networking.service there is further messages
replaced-url
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2452[16:46:58] <nascentmind> dutchfish, dpkg log -->
replaced-url
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2453[16:47:17] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so there is an error on
line 3 in interfaces, can you pastbin the complete interfaces? If
non-excistend, create one (debian wiki)
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2455[16:48:12] <dutchfish> nascentmind, output of the dpkg line
looks good.
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2460[16:48:54] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces file I pasted
it above.
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2461[16:49:31] <dutchfish> dutchfish, i missed that i only got
replaced-url
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2462[16:49:45] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces -->
replaced-url
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2464[16:50:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish, there is nothing in
interfaces.d folder.
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2465[16:51:04] <dutchfish> nascentmind, in the log you can see it
wants it at /etc/network/interfaces ; is there any? if so can you
pastebin it?
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2467[16:51:19] <dutchfish> nascentmind, if not, create it.
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2470[16:51:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, thats your problem. The
rest is fine.
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2473[16:53:15] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I just have a
interfaces.d folder. The folder is empty.
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2474[16:53:33] <dutchfish> nascentmind, right, so create it.
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2475[16:53:39] <FightingFalcon> dutchfish, are you from
Netherlands?
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2477[16:53:48] <dutchfish> FightingFalcon, yes
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2478[16:54:15] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Create what?
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2479[16:54:24] <jimbzy> Zich voor de kop slaan.
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2482[16:55:29] <dutchfish> nascentmind, the file
/etc/network/interfaces | and set it up.
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2483[16:56:21] <nascentmind> dutchfish, you mean that I have to
type in -> auto eth0 ... <- etc in the interfaces file?
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2485[16:57:33] <dutchfish> nascentmind, something like line1:
auto [foo] 2: allow-hotplug [foo] 3: iface [foo] inet dhcp | where
[foo] is the expected adapter name (in Debian it would be enp4s0,
your milage may differ)
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2486[16:58:37] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Oh I thought this was
done automatically by systemd. I missed this wiki on network
configuration. Let me edit and check this.
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2487[16:58:53] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you can nick it from `ip
a` when you manually brought it up
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2490[16:59:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, systemd is not a silver
bullet ;) but sometimes things get quirky on install, depending on
your system. Use the right kernel ;)
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2492[17:00:42] <dutchfish> nascentmind, anyway, that all should
work.
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2494[17:01:05] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I will edit the
interfaces file with the "auto [foo] " etc.. Correct me if
I am wrong.
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2504[17:02:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you can reread it ....
also (except for the adapter name)
replaced-url
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2506[17:02:36] <David_Hedlund> What is the web search link for
Debian GNU/Hurd packages?
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2512[17:03:44] <blackslide> !dpkg Hurd
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2513[17:03:45] <dpkg> GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing
Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on
the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for
the Unix kernel.
replaced-url
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2514[17:03:49] <erjicirc> so, if anyone knows a better channel
for questions as these, feel free to direct me: I would like a text
editor, preferrably a GUI-ish one, that saves "unsaved"
buffers when closing it, so that you can continue to write on those
buffers
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2515[17:03:49] <erjicirc> any ideas?
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2517[17:04:28] <blackslide> don't they all nowdays? if not,
I'd consider it a flawed product...
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2519[17:04:56] <blackslide> Lemme test this.. prolly have some
gnome writer etc installed...
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2525[17:07:17] <mnuhmnuh> both *vim & emacs come with backup
protection nowadays
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2528[17:08:21] * mnuhmnuh "we like both kinds of music, country
and western."
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2529[17:08:23] <blackslide> Ah, GUI-ish
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2530[17:08:24] <blackslide> :D
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2531[17:08:33] <mnuhmnuh> gvim
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2532[17:08:44] <blackslide> I've been using nano
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2533[17:08:57] <blackslide> gedit seems to lack backup
functionality
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2534[17:09:15] <blackslide> was there gemacs also?
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2535[17:09:20] <Rusty1> gvin , xemacs
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2536[17:09:21] <blackslide> ,v gemacs
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2537[17:09:22] <judd> No package named 'gemacs' was
found in amd64.
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2538[17:09:27] <Rusty1> er gvim
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2539[17:09:27] <blackslide> ah
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2540[17:09:31] <blackslide> ,v xemac
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2541[17:09:33] <judd> No package named 'xemac' was
found in amd64.
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2542[17:09:35] <blackslide> duh
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2543[17:09:39] <blackslide> ,v xemacs
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2544[17:09:40] <judd> No package named 'xemacs' was
found in amd64.
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2546[17:10:18] <nascentmind> dutchfish, things are working fine
now!
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2547[17:10:32] <dutchfish> nascentmind, yw :D
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2549[17:10:38] <Rusty1> ,v xemacs21
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2550[17:10:39] <erjicirc> blackslide, mnuhmnuh: ah, yes ;)
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2551[17:10:40] <judd> Package: xemacs21 on amd64 -- jessie:
21.4.22-14~deb8u1; sid: 21.4.22-14; buster: 21.4.24-4; sid:
21.4.24-4; stretch: 21.4.24-4
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2552[17:10:49] <erjicirc> afaik, geany and gedit lacks it
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2553[17:10:58] <erjicirc> notepad++ on windows has it :p
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2554[17:11:08] <blackslide> tested, gedit, miserably failed :D
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2555[17:11:36] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I have a debian rootfs
created by someone else who does not have these lines and it still
works. How is that?
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2556[17:11:41] <erjicirc> I could theoretically use vim, but.. :
) I don't know, it feels a bit clunky and overkill for
notetaking :p
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2557[17:11:50] <erjicirc> blackslide: yeah ;)
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2559[17:12:13] <blackslide> vi and vim are too complicated to me
also
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2560[17:12:30] <dutchfish> nascentmind, no idea, but i can ask
the same about the kernel you used. Anyway, good luck.
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2561[17:12:35] <nix64bit> atom?
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2562[17:12:45] <nix64bit> vim is worth learning
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2563[17:12:52] <blackslide> I used to use vim years ago, but
since moved to emacs, afer that I found nano, have been sticking to
it ever since..
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2564[17:13:13] <blackslide> yes, vim basics are great.
There's vi available basically everywhere..
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2565[17:13:21] <blackslide> but I like nano for day to day use
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2566[17:13:27] <blackslide> ymmv
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2567[17:13:54] <mnuhmnuh> erjicirc: i usually use vi tweaking
root & config stuff, emacs for dev & syntax prettiness.
wink, wink.
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2569[17:14:35] <erjicirc> yeah.. I know vim basics too, but.. in
any case I haven't gotten familiar with it for this exact task
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2570[17:14:35] <erjicirc> okay : )
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2571[17:14:54] <blackslide> Also I use dash for root term. but
bash is nicer for daily use.. I also like banana milkshake... :P
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2573[17:15:51] <erjicirc> ; ) banana milkshake is tasty!
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2574[17:16:09] <erjicirc> nix64bit: atom, yeah, maybe.. hmm
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2578[17:16:54] <erjicirc> does it save buffers? :p I think I
might have googled that
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2579[17:16:58] <nix64bit>
replaced-url
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2580[17:16:58] <erjicirc> but we'll see
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2584[17:19:37] <erjicirc> hmm, or maybe I'll try a good
setup of vim first
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2585[17:20:05] <nix64bit> with vi you dont really need all the
graphics but it looks nice
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2587[17:20:27] <nix64bit> in the long run you will do yourself a
favour
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2591[17:22:53] <blackslide> I've somehow found vim to be a
so-so
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2592[17:23:26] <blackslide> If I need a light universal installed
by default editor, I use vi
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2593[17:23:39] <blackslide> If I need to quickly edit stuff, I
use nano
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2595[17:23:54] <nascentmind> dutchfish, The kernel should not
matter as long as it can bring the ethernet adapter up. The
configuration should be taken care of in the userspace no?
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2597[17:24:34] <blackslide> and if it contains a lot of stuff.
I've found terminal tools extremely efficient.. once you get
the syntax nailed
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2602[17:25:56] <blackslide> My biggest moan in vim is that
it's easy learn to do stuff that you can not do in the
barebones vi, so you lose some of the point in using it..
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2607[17:27:34] <erjicirc> ah, yes, sure ;) I sort of meant vi.. a
list of buffers, I would appreciate
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2608[17:27:41] <erjicirc> visible, etc
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2609[17:27:45] <erjicirc> I suppose that's possible
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2610[17:27:56] <blackslide> but everyone has their favourites.. I
seem to be quite dependant on a bash -like shell. bsd abd dash just
lack too much of the comforts that are available elsewhere..
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2611[17:29:04] <blackslide> I think emacs was at least in the
past very configurable. to the point of not needing a separate IDE
for coding stuff..,
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2615[17:29:57] <blackslide> I haven't tried xemacs, might be
the right one for you if it has to be more GUI oriented
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2616[17:30:02] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: I cannot find any
package related info at
replaced-url
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2620[17:30:22] <blackslide> sorry, I'll try and find some
info
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2621[17:30:35] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: Thanks bro.
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2623[17:30:46] <Danila> Есть русские?
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2628[17:32:21] <erjicirc> thanks, so far!
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2636[17:34:52] <blackslide> David Hedlund: Hmp, It seems to be
easier to find packages that fail to run on Hurd, than finding stuff
that is already working :D
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2639[17:35:48] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: That's ok,
what's the URL?
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2640[17:36:03] <David_Hedlund> I'm looking at
replaced-url
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2641[17:36:23] <David_Hedlund> blackslide:
replaced-url
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2647[17:38:07] <blackslide> some info I found:
replaced-url
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2653[17:39:38] <blackslide> I seem to be of no help at all David,
have you tried asking at #hurd?
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2657[17:40:55] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: Nope. But thank you
for helping me.
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2661[17:43:21] <blackslide> :D Sorry, I guess I'll have to
try a hurd build in a vm and see what clicks :D
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2725[18:00:53] <ofek> I'm using iostat and I'm trying
to test the -N option (Display the registered device mapper names
for any device mapper devices. Useful for viewing LVM2 statistics.)
how can I change sda to some_name?
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2726[18:00:56] <ofek> I tried `ln -s /dev/sda
/dev/mapper/some_name` but iostat still reports sda
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2727[18:01:39] <frostschutz> you can't
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2730[18:02:35] <ofek> frostschutz, am I misunderstand what -N
does?
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2731[18:02:42] <jelly> ofek: /dev/sda is not a lvm device.
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2734[18:03:09] <ofek> ah, I see
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2735[18:03:23] <ofek> hmm
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2736[18:03:24] <jelly> well. Technically it might be a PV but
then you'd know you did that.
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2737[18:03:54] <frostschutz> -N displays /dev/mapper/foobarbaz
instead of /dev/dm-21 (both already a device mapper device, which
/dev/sda is not)
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2738[18:04:56] <frostschutz> if there isn't an option to
display /dev/disk/by-id/ instead of /dev/sda then you're out of
luck (or have to use sed/awk to replace it)
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2742[18:05:39] <jelly> frostschutz: that's exactly what I do
for LVs on old systems where iostat does not have that option.
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2743[18:06:04] <ofek> frostschutz, jelly, is there an easy way to
mock a new lvm device and test name changing?
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2746[18:06:34] <jelly> ofek: what are you really trying to do?
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2748[18:06:51] <frostschutz> ofek, truncate -s 1G mock.img,
losetup --find --show mock.img, then create VG/LV on /dev/loopX mock
device?
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2749[18:07:04] <jelly> that's not mock any more then :-)
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2750[18:07:40] <frostschutz> I do that in tmpfs when I want to
experiment with mdadm commands or whatever
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2755[18:09:05] <ofek> frostschutz, jelly, I have an iostat parser
and a customer wants -N added. I need to test how that affects it
e.g. names with spaces, etc.
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2759[18:09:34] <jelly> ofek: I didn't know VG or LV names
could have spaces.
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2761[18:09:57] <jelly> -N just changes dm-10 to vg-lvname in the
output
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2764[18:11:20] <jelly> ofek: eg.
replaced-url
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2767[18:11:55] <ofek> jelly, oh okay thanks. and spaces are
indeed verboten?
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2772[18:12:57] <jelly> ofek: no idea, but it would be very silly
to have whitespace in device names
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2778[18:15:53] <ofek> alright, thank you both!
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2799[18:21:35] <rant> I'm in the Debian 9.0.3 i386 netinst
and I'm having connectivity issues during installing the
desktop system currently stalled at 107 of 965 packages.. anyone
know of a command I can run to reconnect and get this moving again?
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2801[18:22:24] <rant> the graphical install doesnt seem to
respond to Ctrl+C and I dont see anything in /bin that will help
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2805[18:23:49] <rant> it just keeps trying over and over again to
connect to the mirror and a simple dhclient would likely solve the
issue if I had dhclient :P
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2854[18:48:15] <wpostma> I am having some display power
management problems with debian 9. When I wake up my computer, the
monitor is glowing and the power LED is normal (not amber, low
power/off), but there's nothing on the screen. From googling,
it seems it's a DPMS issue you need xset commands to fix.
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2856[18:48:45] <wpostma> To work around it (get back into gdm) I
use Ctrl+Alt+F1 which switches back to the GDM session and makes the
display work again
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2857[18:49:26] <wpostma> thread that sounds like my issue: (but
discussing arch linux)
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2858[18:49:34] <wpostma>
replaced-url
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2862[18:51:01] <wpostma> using nouveau driver on nvidia gtx 750
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2865[18:51:39] <wpostma> (my next card will be an AMD for sure)
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2885[18:56:44] <OS-29876> msg/ NickServ identify OSCP4141
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2887[18:57:01] <hitest> ...
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2888[18:57:16] <hitest> better change your password
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2889[18:57:20] <wpostma> hehe.
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2891[18:57:38] * evernite facepalm
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2892[18:57:56] <wpostma> change your NickServ identify password
OS-29876
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2893[18:58:06] <hitest> yes
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2895[18:58:25] <wpostma> and switch to sasl while you're at
it.
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2898[18:59:03] <blackslide> Duh, old news
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2899[18:59:07] <blackslide>
replaced-url
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2905[18:59:50] <wpostma> but still probably a bigger vector for
corporate spying than meltdown, @blackslid
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2906[19:00:01] <wpostma> AMT is a disaster.
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2907[19:00:07] <blackslide> I've warned IT support folks
about the intel AMT crap in 2012
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2911[19:01:22] <blackslide> It was a disaster when they came up
with the idea
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2914[19:01:49] <wpostma> It's ironic or something, that a
technology meant to make IT people's lives easier is now one of
their top headaches.
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2916[19:02:12] <blackslide> There's a lot of sensitive info
on those laptops
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2921[19:03:52] <blackslide> and they are carried around, easily
forgotten in places... we got around the firewire issue by a:
desoldering the port and now b: lack of firewire
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2922[19:04:24] <blackslide> but still back in 2012 I saw that the
AMT system is a headache
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2926[19:04:53] <wpostma> I would like to see hardwire disconnects
of things you don't want. Actual physical jumpers that can be
pulled and when pulled, guarantee that AMT is dead, dead as a
doornail.
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2934[19:08:03] <blackslide> but my no.1 favorite way of getting
into a corporate system is still the "dropped" usb stick
way :D
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2935[19:08:53] <blackslide> just spread these around and someone
is bound to plug it it... nothing is safe, unless the users are
actually trained. But they aren't, and will ever be.
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2963[19:18:19] <Blubbs> could somebody help me with the
troubleshooting of a nfs server on debian stretch? i installed the
package, edited /etc/exports and when i try to restart the service
it only says "failed with error code"
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2968[19:19:59] <wpostma> look at the logs
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2970[19:20:27] <Blubbs> i did, but i get no clue from that
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2971[19:20:39] <wpostma> so there's no errors in the logs
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2974[19:20:57] <Blubbs> there are erros but they speak of error
code which is defined nowhere
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2975[19:21:25] <wpostma> so you googled that error message?
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2976[19:21:47] <Blubbs> yeah, and the results lead to old bugs
and old docs
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2977[19:21:49] <wpostma> (assuming there's more to your
google search than "failed with error code").
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2980[19:23:06] <wpostma> did you follow a wiki?
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2981[19:23:12] <wpostma>
replaced-url
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2983[19:23:30] <Blubbs> the debian wiki has no page about nfs
server
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2984[19:23:42] <wpostma> what's that link I just posted?
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2985[19:23:46] <Blubbs> but why are we dancing around actual
help?
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2986[19:23:57] <wpostma> did you or did you not read the NFS
Server Setup wiki page?
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2987[19:24:06] <Blubbs> no, i refuse to feel guilty
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2988[19:24:15] <wpostma> Well then, someone else can help you,
lazy person.
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2989[19:24:19] <Blubbs> can you help or not?
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2990[19:24:25] <wpostma> No. You can't read. You can't
be helped.
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2991[19:24:26] <Blubbs> ah
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2992[19:24:33] <Blubbs> i feel offended
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2994[19:24:42] <wpostma> Sorry I can't read what you're
saying.
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2996[19:24:54] <Blubbs> i feel more and more offended. almost
violated
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2997[19:25:33] <wpostma> It's almost like it's trying
to communicate with us.
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2998[19:25:55] <Blubbs> speak of "me" not
"us" when you try your mind games on me
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3001[19:26:28] <wpostma> How do you know I'm only one
person?
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3002[19:26:28] <Blubbs> whats your benefit when i leave here with
hurt feelings, can you tell me that?
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3003[19:26:38] <wpostma> Read the wiki. Have a beverage. Relax.
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3005[19:28:30] <Blubbs> take your time to think. i am curious.
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3006[19:28:37] <erjicirc> Blubbs: wpostma might be rude, but I
think the user means that there's no point in giving feedback
until you've gone through the methods in the wiki page
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3010[19:29:27] <Blubbs> erjicirc: i already answered in the hot
seat game that my wiki search showed no server related results
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3011[19:29:42] <wpostma> Read the wiki link I just posted to you.
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3013[19:30:04] <Blubbs> and i fail to see how i owe somebody
"smart questions". have you really not come off that idiot
game in all the years?
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3014[19:30:21] <wpostma> I fail to see how anyone owes you
anything, and it's you who are rude, Blubbs.
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3015[19:30:39] <somiaj> Blubbs: okay, but now that you have been
pointed at a wiki page, go read it over, see if that helps, then ask
a specific question if something doesn't make sense.
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3016[19:30:45] <Blubbs> why pick up my help request when you are
feeling hostile?
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3019[19:31:07] <wpostma> I asked you if you were following any
particular directions. You gave NO specific error message. You sound
like a troll.
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3021[19:31:28] <somiaj> but really lets get back to support, if
someone doesn't want to help that is fine, no need to call them
out. Just leave it be, ask your question again and see if someone
else is willing to help.
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3022[19:31:47] <somiaj> and if no one is willing to help, try
back at a different time
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3023[19:31:47] <Blubbs> thanks
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3027[19:31:57] <somiaj> but I would start by reading the wiki
page that was shared with you. (:
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3028[19:32:11] <wpostma> it's interesting to me that blubs
knows what a Smart Question is, and knows that it is not asking one.
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3030[19:32:18] <wpostma>
replaced-url
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3031[19:32:18] <Blubbs> maybe its poison and the wiki infects me
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3032[19:32:28] <Blubbs> like that catb crap
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3033[19:32:34] <Blubbs> nobody wants that in 2018
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3034[19:32:36] <somiaj> please get back on topic
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3049[19:40:42] <TomTheDragon> I just discovered that Stretch
won't run on i586 anymore. Had a DMZ setup on an old box.
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3050[19:40:55] <TomTheDragon> *won't run on i586
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3053[19:41:08] <TomTheDragon> not anymore, I was just running
Jessie on the old machine.
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3055[19:41:46] <wpostma> did it warn you before apt-get upgrade?
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3057[19:41:52] <wpostma> or did it just brick your old box?
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3058[19:42:04] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon,
replaced-url
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3061[19:42:57] <TomTheDragon> no, I just pointed it back to
Jessie on my file server. ;)
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3067[19:44:22] <TomTheDragon> So it didn't really hurt
anything... but I would eventually like some of the newer packages.
Am curious if I could use sbuild (or something else) to simply
rebuild everything.
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3068[19:45:06] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, there is also old-bpo.
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3069[19:45:11] <TomTheDragon> Or am I better off eventually just
changing distros?
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3074[19:45:56] <wpostma> for a dedicated purpose router box, are
we sure that a headless debian stretch (9) won't install on
your cpu? Perhaps they just mean you fall back from i586 to i386 for
that hardware.
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3077[19:46:38] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: "However, Debian
GNU/Linux stretch will not run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier
processors. "
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3083[19:48:12] <TomTheDragon> The bright side is it's at
least immune to Meltdown.
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3085[19:48:28] <wpostma> hmm. so the current meaning for the i386
install is 32 bit install on pentium+ (686+)
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3086[19:48:38] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, not really, but partly.
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3087[19:48:48] <TomTheDragon> hmm
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3088[19:49:11] <wpostma> i doubt if it's vulnerable to
meltdown because processors of that era didn't have the high
performance onboard clocks that these side channel attacks rely on.
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3089[19:49:26] <TomTheDragon> that's nothing to do with the
clock, it's about speculative execution
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3090[19:49:26] <wpostma> probably possible to do some
spectre-style exploits as it's a superscalar processor.
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3091[19:49:41] <wpostma> speculative execution leaves stuff in
the cache. yes.
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3092[19:49:48] <TomTheDragon> well, it involves the clock... but
it does require the processor actually have speculative execution
features
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3093[19:49:54] <wpostma> and to get stuff out of the cache, you
need a timing based side channel attack on the cache.
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3095[19:50:07] <TomTheDragon> ah
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3096[19:50:09] <wpostma> so you need both. I just tested my box
yesterday.
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3098[19:50:43] <wpostma> with this:
replaced-url
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3099[19:50:53] <TomTheDragon> i386 has been a misnomer for a
while, I think
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3103[19:51:29] <blackslide> I thiught that 486 and newer x86 are
all good to o
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3104[19:51:47] <blackslide> good to go... sry, tiny laptop kbd.
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3105[19:51:47] <wpostma> that was true prior to jessie, I guess.
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3106[19:51:50] <TomTheDragon> 486 was broken in squeeze.
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3110[19:52:24] <wpostma> semi accidentally, but right.
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3112[19:52:37] <blackslide> That's odd.. since I find a lot
of useful use cases for old faster 486/586
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3114[19:52:57] <blackslide> as standalone router/mailserver,
etc..
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3116[19:53:04] <TomTheDragon> part of it is likely that newer
user software seems to be very slow on old hardware
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3118[19:54:04] <erjicirc> does anyone here know how old the first
meltdown/whatever-the-name affected processors are?
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3119[19:54:16] <erjicirc> I'm on a Asus eee PC from 2010
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3120[19:54:18] <TomTheDragon> P6-series (i686) I think
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3122[19:54:24] <TomTheDragon> those are pretty old
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3123[19:54:36] <blackslide> Well, debian can do most of it's
work in terminal. And there are an abundabce of lightweight window
managers
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3124[19:54:36] <erjicirc> ah, oh, yes
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3126[19:54:41] <wpostma> anything superscalar with a high
resolution clock is fully vulnerable, netburst and onwards.
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3128[19:54:54] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, and consume tons of
energy as well, as a router.... (P6)
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3129[19:55:03] <wpostma> most reports say basically 1997+
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3130[19:55:16] <blackslide> that's true
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3132[19:55:40] <TomTheDragon> dutchfish: P5 doesn't seem to
consume much power
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3134[19:55:50] <erjicirc> wpostma: yeah, I see :p probably
affected, then :p
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3136[19:55:55] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, it is okish
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3137[19:56:03] <erjicirc> but not AMD64, right?
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3138[19:56:16] <blackslide> Energy efficiency is a factor for
sure. We could brand, debian as an "ecological"
alternative for not supporting old clunky power hungry and
inefficient hw :D
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3139[19:56:33] <blackslide> Wut?
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3140[19:56:43] <blackslide> AMD64 has kernel patch
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3141[19:56:56] <TomTheDragon> AMD64 is an effected architecture
(Intel makes AMD64 architecture processors). Allegedly, the actual
AMD processors are less vulnerable.
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3142[19:56:58] <blackslide> and at least I got a microcode update
for my core i7
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3143[19:57:03] <erjicirc> blackslide: energy efficiency, sure : )
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3144[19:57:10] <erjicirc> ah, sorry, I meant actual AMD :p
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3146[19:57:22] <erjicirc> I heard that from Bryan Lunduke
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3147[19:57:27] <blackslide> AMD cpus are affected, but apparently
harder to break..
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3148[19:57:42] <blackslide> just a feeling, _not_ fact
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3150[19:57:49] <TomTheDragon> blackslide: you'll still be
able to run it on a Pentium 4. Those are kinda power hungry.
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3151[19:58:08] <blackslide> or some of the K series core i7
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3152[19:58:15] <blackslide> TDP 125W etc...
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3153[19:58:23] <TomTheDragon> Of course, it's apparently
trendy to drop IA32 altogether.
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3154[19:58:29] <wpostma> AFAIK, AMD is invulnerable to Meltdown,
but not Spectre.
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3155[19:58:35] <erjicirc> blackslide: there's this patch:
replaced-url
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3156[19:58:55] <blackslide> someone ought to test that on an AMD
Athlon XP etc..
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3158[19:58:58] <blackslide> prolly has allready
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3159[19:59:01] <wpostma> The Spectre vuln is the side-channel
attack on the cache. Meltdown means ability to melt through
protected mode walls using that side channel attack.
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3161[19:59:16] <erjicirc> wpostma: I see! I don't have the..
terminology quite clear
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3163[19:59:22] <erjicirc> aha, thanks!
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3164[19:59:40] <blackslide> ahahahaha
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3168[19:59:53] <TomTheDragon> Meltdown has some serious
performance overhead.
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3169[19:59:56] <wpostma> It's quite fascinating to me. I
think that Debian and free-software is more attractive now than ever
since you can check your vulnerability more easily on Linux (since
POC code is available).
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3170[20:00:02] <erjicirc> blackslide: ;p
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3171[20:00:22] <erjicirc> wpostma: yeah
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3172[20:00:23] <TomTheDragon> Would re-introducing the 4G/4G
user-kernel split fix Meltdown on IA32?
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3173[20:01:00] <wpostma> No. full isolation and trampolining
(which the LKML devs referred to via an obscene nickname) would fix
it.
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3174[20:01:12] <wpostma> But the runtime cost would be
unacceptable.
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3177[20:01:30] <jelly> TomTheDragon: UDEREF from grsec already
fixes it
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3178[20:01:46] <blackslide> It needs total cpu code rewrite
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3179[20:01:50] <blackslide> apparently
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3180[20:02:10] <TomTheDragon> it's ultimately a CPU flaw,
yes
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3182[20:02:24] <jelly> wpostma: 32bit has better segmentation
features that make for inexpensive workarounds
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3183[20:02:26] <wpostma> The merged mitigations (not really fixes
in my view) in Kernel 4.x is called KPTI
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3184[20:02:34] <blackslide> but how could the cpu know if a valid
instruction is asking for the cacled data
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3185[20:02:35] <host> Howdy, I do video editing in Linux. I am
looking to upgrade my graphics card. I am looking for either an AMD
or Nvidia card. My questions comes down to drivers. The AMD
proprietary ones cannot be installed (I have an AMD card now and
cannot get APD GPU Pro to get installed.) Whereas the nvidia
proprietary drivers, I hear, are less of an issue to install
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3186[20:02:56] <wpostma> go with AMD if you don't want to
have to use proprietary drivers, @host
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3189[20:03:10] <jelly> TomTheDragon: amusingly, it's been
unexploitable on 32bit grsec since 2006 or so
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3190[20:03:15] <TomTheDragon> ah
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3193[20:03:32] <wpostma> if you are saying you WANT to go with
Nvidia and you want the proprietary drivers, then be aware you may
be asking for pain. @host
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3194[20:03:32] <TomTheDragon> without a nasty performance hit?
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3195[20:03:39] <jelly> yes
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3196[20:03:41] <blackslide> I've only used nvidia on
desktops. and had nothing but problems with the proprietary
drivers.. always been buggy..
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3197[20:03:45] <jelly> like 0-2%
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3198[20:03:52] <blackslide> Maybe they've improved it
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3199[20:04:26] <wpostma> The thing is AMD actually provides info
to the X and kernel developers. THus their drivers work better.
nVidia, well google what linus torvalds has to say about nVidia. I
agree with Linus.
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3200[20:04:31] <host> I am already a masochist by trying to edit
video on Linux
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3201[20:04:32] <blackslide> Apparently amd has better native
support
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3202[20:04:43] <host> Heck, why not add to the pain
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3203[20:04:54] <jelly> wpostma: again, the nvidia thing was never
about GPU, it was about their ARM stuff.
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3204[20:04:59] <somiaj> host: I personally have few issues with
the non-free nvidia drivers, though due to the drivers in stretch
you should avoid the bleeding edge cards.
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3206[20:05:35] <wpostma> I have owned 5 nvidia cards, and in all
of them, the nouveau stuff barely works, and the proprietary stuff
works until you upgrade to that magic point where it breaks AGAIN
and Again.
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3207[20:05:40] <host> I prefer AMD, the MESA drivers are good,
but heard if you are trying to do pro stuff, like video editing, you
need the drivers
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3208[20:06:03] <wpostma> never tried to video edit on Linux. If
you get it working, document it on a blog post. :-)
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3209[20:06:14] <TomTheDragon> fglrx is absolutely necessary for
OpenCL, IIRC
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3210[20:06:41] <somiaj> and fglrx doesn't exist anymore. I
hear there are ways to install the amdpro driver in debian.
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3212[20:06:46] <somiaj> but that only works on newer cards.
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3213[20:06:55] <TomTheDragon> Anyway... does anyone have any
insight in how I could rebuild stretch for older architectures?
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3214[20:07:03] <erjicirc> host: I am already a masochist by
trying to edit video on Linux -- are you Bryan Lunduke? :p (if not,
he has done videos on doing video in Linux, I think)
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3215[20:07:10] <host> somiaj, Pfff, i tried to install amdpro
many times, epic fail
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3216[20:07:12] <wpostma> Sounds like a huge job @TomTheDragon
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3219[20:07:32] <somiaj> My limited experience is the nvidia
non-free drivers are easier to deal with in debian, but the
radeon/amdgpu driver in the kernel usually works better than
nouveau.
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3220[20:07:51] <wpostma> Why not switch to a router-oriented
linux distro with security fixes done for you, for your old router.
@TomTheDragon
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3221[20:08:26] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: I'm kind of a
masochist for trying to run full Linux distros on ancient boxes,
though
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3222[20:09:02] <wpostma> it would be educational, that's for
sure.
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3223[20:09:08] <host> ericnoan, Nah, I am just some guy whose
adobe cc subscription ran out am am loking for cost effective
solutions. I am trying to use Cinelerra and it is misery. Shotcut
looks more promising though.
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3227[20:09:45] <erjicirc> host: okay : ) Lunduke might have tips,
don't know for sure
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3229[20:10:12] <somiaj> TomTheDragon: how acient?
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3230[20:10:22] <host> I tried kdenlive, and a few other editors.
Cinelerra is supposed to be high-level, but it keeps royally
lagging, and it is not a gpu issue
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3231[20:10:25] <wpostma> i love debian on desktops but for a
network router box, I personally lean towards BSDs.
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3232[20:10:36] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: I may, however, be better
off trying to stage Arch Linux
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3233[20:11:01] <TomTheDragon> somiaj: Pentium I MMX
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3234[20:11:08] <wpostma> that would be educational and kind of
awesome. if you do it, lmk and I'll join the arch linux channel
here on freenode to follow it.
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3235[20:12:02] <wpostma> afaik, Pentium 1 is not vulnerable to
spectre or meltdown, due to not having the netburst architecture
(pentium pro and on)
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3236[20:12:39] <host> Spectre, sounds like a terrible James Bond
movie, oh wait
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3245[20:15:46] <somiaj> TomTheDragon: jessie shoudl be supported
for some time by lts. (:
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3246[20:15:49] <blackslide> I caved under pressure, I was going
to build a NAS -kind of thing on raspberrypi, but also needed a new
wifi AP
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3247[20:15:59] <TomTheDragon> Gentoo is apparently a fairly
trivial hack to get working, but I'd much rather prebuild all
the binaries I can.
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3249[20:16:24] <blackslide> So I got a mid-priced atheros based
wifi AP and installed LEDE on it
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3250[20:16:44] <wpostma> that's what I would do too,
blackslid
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3251[20:16:47] <blackslide> Now, I've got a *nix router,
wifi-ap and a NAS aöö on one
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3253[20:16:53] <blackslide> all..
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3255[20:17:15] <wpostma> wööt. :-)
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3258[20:18:07] <blackslide> it's TP-Link Archer C2600.. has
been quite good. But not officially supported by LEDE, some
semi-working OpenWRT only and a one man built LEDE system
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3259[20:19:04] <blackslide> Trying to build a nice web interface
so that it's easy to upload photos from android devices.. maybe
even use auto syncing
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3277[20:25:17] <blackslide> but for that I'd need to figure
out what the android system actually does when syncing stuff to
google. So I could redirect it to my NAS
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3279[20:26:05] <blackslide> googling that gives android for
dummies: how to sync to google -articles. wich don't give any
in depth info.
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3282[20:26:33] <wpostma> i'd think your best bet would be to
write your own android app to get it to sync to your local
resources.
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3284[20:27:21] <wpostma> or use a third party photo app like the
one "PhotoSync" in the google play store
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3285[20:27:34] <blackslide> Yes, I've got android studio and
all sorts of stuff bit have't gone in depth yet
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3287[20:27:51] <blackslide> But a native solution would be even
better :D
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3290[20:28:13] <blackslide> hackindroid..
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3291[20:28:13] <wpostma> simulating google would mean defeating
their man-in-the-middle-attack prevention tech, which I'll bet
is pretty hard to do.
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3292[20:28:41] <wpostma> but that might be the sort of thing you
do for fun. :-)
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3293[20:29:11] <blackslide> Might be quite beyond my skillset,
but still interesting fiddling
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3294[20:29:23] <wpostma> that is the hacker way.
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3299[20:30:10] <blackslide> Basically it only needs a simple
rsync string to run from time to time.
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3302[20:30:55] <wpostma> tried acrosync (app in google play
store)?
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3305[20:31:28] <blackslide> nope, I'll have to see the
current options through
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3307[20:32:11] <blackslide> mostly the issue is with the mrs..
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3308[20:32:33] <blackslide> A solution that is automagic and all
in the background would be best
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3312[20:33:06] <blackslide> but I assume, even if I do something
myself, It'll require an app
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3313[20:34:08] <blackslide> anohoo, back to debian.. I'm
installing hurd on a VM :D
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3321[20:37:24] <wpostma>
replaced-url
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3322[20:37:55] <wpostma> and looky there, it's in there
already. awesome.
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3324[20:38:24] <annadane> well, you're linking a script
which uses sudo for use in debian stable which already has patches;
not everyone wants to run scripts on the internet as root
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3325[20:38:40] <wpostma> you shouldn't run the script.
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3327[20:38:48] <wpostma> but it is already packaged in debian, so
the debian devs trust the package.
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3328[20:39:02] <annadane> packaged under what name?
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3330[20:39:28] <wpostma> oh wait. it's not yet.
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3332[20:39:34] <wpostma> it's open as a task to be done.
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3333[20:39:37] <wpostma> perhaps it's not trusted yet.
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3334[20:40:20] <spiridon> hi everybody
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3335[20:40:30] <wpostma> it's 982 line script. does not
download anything.
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3336[20:40:50] <spiridon> I have recently upgraded my kernel from
3.16.0-4 to 3.16.0-5
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3338[20:41:12] <wpostma> I am on debian stable (9) and it is not
yet patched, as I ran the CVE POCs and they all work.
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3339[20:41:20] <spiridon> and I have issues with some modules not
loading
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3342[20:41:44] <spiridon> modprobe says: modprobe: ERROR: could
not insert '8723be': Exec format error
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3344[20:41:51] <wpostma> @annadane - what linux kernel version is
debian stable on that is patched?
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3346[20:42:19] <spiridon> and dmesg says: disagrees about version
of symbol module_layout
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3347[20:42:22] <annadane> the latest; meltdown only, though
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3349[20:42:37] <blackslide> 4.9.0.4
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3350[20:42:40] <wpostma> I am on linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 and
it's not patched.
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3352[20:43:02] <wpostma> oh wait. only meltdown is patched?
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3353[20:43:15] <annadane> yes
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3354[20:43:16] <wpostma> there's no way to mitigate spectre
in linux kernel yet, right?
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3355[20:43:16] <annadane>
replaced-url
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3356[20:43:20] <annadane> correct
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3357[20:43:26] <annadane> there are no currently known solutions
for spectre
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3361[20:44:00] <wpostma> so when I ran the POC and it could not
break KASLR, that proves that Meltdown vuln is patched, for my
system.
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3363[20:44:11] <spiridon> what does it mean? is it trying to load
modules from the previous version?
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3366[20:44:35] <spiridon> any hint?
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3367[20:44:50] <wpostma> So that means that the script link I
posted above did not actually detect that the Linux kernel is
actually patched, and didn't provide much useful information.
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3370[20:46:23] <zerocool> hey guys, know anything about
libvirt/qemu/kvm/virt-manager/nfs?
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3371[20:46:39] <zerocool> i am having an issue creating an nfs
storage pool from virt-manager
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3373[20:46:42] <wpostma> most of those, but not nfs.
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3378[20:47:31] <zerocool> from what i understand the virt-manager
"storage pool" just mounts the nfs share if needed to
access disks
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3379[20:47:36] <zerocool> so, it shouldn't really be a nfs
issue
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3382[20:49:00] <zerocool> but it is involved... when i try to
create the pool it says "error creating pool: could not start
sotrage pool: cannot open directory
'/var/lib/libvirt/images/nfs': permission denied"
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3383[20:49:19] <zerocool> it does create the directory
'nfs' under the images dir
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3384[20:50:01] <blackslide> wpostma, what does uname -a say?
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3386[20:50:10] <zerocool> images is set g+s and kvm is the group,
so it should have access
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3387[20:50:54] <wpostma> Linux beastmode 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3388[20:50:59] <zerocool> images looks like drwxrws--- root:kvm,
when nfs is created, same permissions
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3389[20:51:16] <blackslide> it is the newest then
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3390[20:51:46] <wpostma> interesting. AFAIK, cpuinfo should show
cpu insecure flag in the bugs line of /proc/cpuinfo
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3391[20:51:56] <zerocool> so i think it has something to do with
the act of mounting...
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3392[20:52:03] <wpostma> cpu_insecure or something like that.
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3393[20:52:30] <waydot> evening, did anyone ever set up local
news?
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3394[20:52:51] <waydot> specifically reading news directly from
spool by a client without server running?
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3395[20:52:57] <apollo13> wpostma: doesn't on stable, I get
it on unstable though
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3396[20:53:21] <wpostma> ok, so it's debian sid which
currently has the security KPTI enabled?
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3397[20:53:40] <apollo13> dunno, maybe they didn't backport
that display part
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3398[20:53:40] <zerocool> also, both the nfs server and this
server map libvirt-qemu, libvirt, kvm properly between them
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3399[20:54:06] <apollo13> wpostma: see
replaced-url
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3402[20:54:25] <zerocool> oh wait i think i found it...
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3404[20:55:38] <wpostma> TX @appolo13 that was just the link I
wanted.
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3405[20:55:44] <zerocool> no i didn't
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3410[20:58:20] <wpostma> so was CVE-2017-5754 (meltdown) fix in
Jessie (STABLE) done without KPTI kernel flag?
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