• 0[00:00:12] <blackslide> The system sees the device, but you'll have to mount the filesystem
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• 2[00:00:28] <Anyday> Teatime: it appears when I type ifup enp3s0 now it does correctly show up in ifconfig but something is not working with the dns portion. I can ping google at 8.8.8.8 but cant ping replaced-url
• 3[00:00:29] <blackslide> ,v dcc juju
• 4[00:00:30] <judd> No package named 'dcc' was found in amd64.
• 5[00:00:33] <blackslide> :D
• 6[00:00:37] <mnuhmnuh> pydf is nice too.
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• 9[00:01:04] <mnuhmnuh> no, dcc is irc ver. of im
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• 11[00:01:17] <mnuhmnuh> 1 --> 1
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• 13[00:01:37] <blackslide> It was easy to fix in dos.. ipconfig /flushdns :D
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• 16[00:01:58] <blackslide> actually windo(w)s
• 17[00:02:16] <Anyday> Restart might help?
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• 19[00:02:33] <chomwitt> what is the command to list the commands judd knows ?
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• 23[00:03:06] <blackslide> ,v ?
• 24[00:03:07] <judd> No package named '?' was found in amd64.
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• 26[00:03:37] <jhutchins> j mysql
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• 28[00:03:53] <blackslide> are those actual, working DNS nameservers?
• 29[00:04:08] <annadane> judd: commands
• 30[00:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> blackslide: "juju" is bob marly-land !@#$-tage ; zombies, ya know mon. sheesh.
• 31[00:04:15] <annadane> ah, can't be invoked like that
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• 33[00:04:31] <annadane> anyway i'm not sure if there's a comprehensive page for judd or dpkg
• 34[00:04:37] <blackslide> hehe
• 35[00:04:56] <blackslide> !dpkg juju
• 36[00:05:03] <blackslide> !dpkg what is juju
• 37[00:05:03] <dpkg> blackslide: what are you talking about?
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• 39[00:05:08] <blackslide> :D
• 40[00:05:16] <blackslide> !dpkg what is voodoo
• 41[00:05:16] <dpkg> methinks voodoo is black magic, stay away from it. Also a GPU chipset family, ask me about <3dfx>.
• 42[00:05:27] <blackslide> Aha!
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• 45[00:05:54] <blackslide> !judd list commands
• 46[00:05:54] <dpkg> blackslide, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
• 47[00:06:07] <blackslide> ,v list commands
• 48[00:06:08] <jhutchins> blackslide: If you want to play with the bot you can /msg dpkg
• 49[00:06:09] <judd> No package named 'list' was found in amd64.
• 50[00:06:10] <mnuhmnuh> maybe mississippi too?
• 51[00:06:14] <annadane> please don't spam the channel
• 52[00:06:19] <blackslide> sry
• 53[00:06:26] <annadane> and also ,v is specifically for package versions
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• 55[00:07:03] <jhutchins> Why would a mysql server not check usernames and passwords. Started normally from systemd.
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• 62[00:08:29] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: perhaps read only access, not accepting changes/writes/updates
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• 65[00:08:46] <mnuhmnuh> query only
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• 73[00:09:59] <mnuhmnuh> ignore ingress all
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• 77[00:10:12] <DexterF> can someone tell me how to take syslogs from a specific daemon out of syslog? I created an /etc/rsyslog.d/99-somed rule says : startswith ... /var/log/somed.log followed by a line with "& ~". restarted rsyslog, now logs to both syslog and somed.log. why still syslog?
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• 79[00:10:17] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: But how/why?
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• 91[00:11:49] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: What are supposed to be identical servers function as expected, you have to have a user and you have to use the password.
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• 94[00:12:19] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: I noticed when I pasted a bad password and it worked anyway, I tried a user that wasn't in the db and that worked too.
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• 98[00:12:35] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: somebody wants to offer their dataset to the world/colleags (sp?), distribute info, share tech./drill through complexity, ...
• 99[00:12:44] <jhutchins> It's like whatever they did to allow root in with no/any password has been extended to everybody.
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• 101[00:13:07] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: I mean what mechanism is causing that behavior?
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• 104[00:13:37] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: That's NOT how mysql usually works unless you use the skiptables command (whatever it is) to hack the root password.
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• 108[00:13:43] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: not protectin from unauth access is bad, not what i thought you were worried about.
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• 111[00:14:05] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: Yeah, this server is not in use yet.
• 112[00:14:31] <Prrrrt> im back the other rooms are dead no one chatting looks like this is the only active room
• 113[00:15:24] <blind> Prrrrt: welcome back, what is your debian question?
• 114[00:15:35] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: i've taken over boxes which auto-logged into root X, no pword requested. there's odd people out there.
• 115[00:15:40] <Prrrrt> got no question man
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• 118[00:16:28] <mnuhmnuh> Prrrrt: you missed the good stuff!
• 119[00:17:13] <Prrrrt> what was the good stuff lol
• 120[00:17:19] <annadane> !chat
• 121[00:17:19] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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• 123[00:17:27] <annadane> mnuhmnuh, Prrrrt, please take it elsewhere
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• 127[00:17:57] <Prrrrt> Sorry anna
• 128[00:18:03] <Prrrrt> +dane
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• 133[00:19:03] <Prrrrt> I got a question
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• 136[00:19:29] <manjaroNub> everyone leave. he has a question
• 137[00:19:38] <jfsCommit> lol
• 138[00:19:48] <Prrrrt> My kali linux os is running a bit laggy
• 139[00:19:53] <annadane> !kali
• 140[00:19:54] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 142[00:19:59] <annadane> also not debian
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• 144[00:20:19] <annadane> also, if you have to ask "where can i read hacking guides", don't use kali
• 145[00:20:27] <annadane> it's an advanced pentesting distro not meant for average users
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• 151[00:22:11] <blackslide> I use kali to fix things that are broken...
• 152[00:22:15] <blackslide> :D
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• 155[00:22:56] <blackslide> though thinking to do a live deb stick, since there's an abundance of cheap 16-32gb sticks everywhere
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• 162[00:25:45] <jhutchins> nkuttler: Someone had put skip-grant-tables in my.cnf under a comment of "#Initial Setup". I didn't remember the syntax to search for, I was looking for "auth" or "pass".
• 163[00:25:55] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: ^
• 164[00:26:00] <jhutchins> sorrn nkuttler
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• 173[00:27:50] * mnuhmnuh gave up on mysql/mariadb and am hoping to grok postgres before i shuffle off. no hurry. i'm slow.
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• 175[00:28:23] <jhutchins> percona
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• 203[00:43:19] <fprophet> I installed Debian 9 on a machine with a Ryzen cpu. I then pulled the hard drive out and put it in an older machine that runs on a cpu from 2 centuries ago. Now ethernet doesn't work
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• 209[00:45:19] <fprophet> the machine only has one ethernet port and no wifi adapters. The port is built into the motherboard. How do I redo the network config?
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• 211[00:46:03] <blind> do you maybe just have a new interface that you're not configured to use?
• 212[00:46:40] <fprophet> I have no idea, linux newbie here, how do I check?
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• 217[00:48:41] <blind> "ip addr" should list out your interfaces, want to pastebin the output of that?
• 218[00:48:53] <ChmEarl> fprophet, cat /proc/net/dev
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• 223[00:51:13] <chocolate> is it a lot of work to update this project replaced-url
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• 225[00:52:19] <chocolate> is it normal too to have troubles to connect using mariadb ?
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• 229[00:52:57] <olebrom> chocolate: Which php version should You run it on? (I see the code are aprox. 6 years old, and the mysql-connection have changed a bit...)
• 230[00:52:58] <preaction> it depends on what features of mysql it is using that maria doesn't have
• 231[00:53:31] <chocolate> olebrom: php7
• 232[00:54:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1700
• 233[00:54:17] <olebrom> chocolate: in openbookmark/lib/mysql.php : I can see it's using the old functions.
• 234[00:54:27] <chocolate> can the problem be a php version too? because it works at jessie
• 235[00:54:52] <mutante> yes, very much
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• 237[00:55:05] <mutante> because the mysql connection part won't work anymore
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• 239[00:55:26] <fprophet> ip addr has no interfaces, proc/net/dev is all 0
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• 241[00:55:32] <olebrom> chocolate: It's the old methods which are deprecated in php7 (both methods where working in php5)
• 242[00:55:35] <chocolate> why the need of this change from debian?
• 243[00:55:50] <olebrom> chocolate: It's now change from debian, it's a change of php...
• 244[00:55:55] <fprophet> I should just need to reconfigure the network right
• 245[00:55:55] <mutante> chocolate: you gotta replace the mysql() functions with PDO or MySQLi
• 246[00:55:57] <chocolate> yes
• 247[00:56:02] <olebrom> chocolate: And php7 is a lot faster than php5....
• 248[00:56:09] <mutante> chocolate: there are tutorials for it at least
• 249[00:56:11] <chocolate> my question is why does debian team change to mariadb
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• 252[00:56:39] <olebrom> chocolate: I think You have the same problem if You would run mysql. (it's php..)
• 253[00:56:54] <mutante> chocolate: mariadb or mysql doesnt matter for that problem
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• 255[00:57:04] <chocolate> great
• 256[00:57:04] <olebrom> chocolate: But I guess You only have to do the changes in lib/mysql.php
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• 258[00:57:33] <chocolate> yeah but it is out of my knowledge haha
• 259[00:57:59] <chocolate> thank you guys mutante olebrom
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• 261[00:58:04] <mutante> chocolate: but mariadb is the original mysql guy and mysql is oracle
• 262[00:58:08] <mutante> chocolate: well, " Development is led by some of the original developers of MySQL, who forked it due to concerns over its acquisition by Oracle Corporation"
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• 265[00:59:08] <chocolate> Isee
• 266[00:59:19] <fprophet> ifconfig isn't on the system :/
• 267[00:59:27] <mutante> fprophet: replaced by "ip" command
• 268[00:59:32] <fprophet> oh
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• 270[00:59:44] <olebrom> chocolate: In some minutes I can make a new mysql.php file for You, which I assume will work..
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• 274[01:00:25] <chocolate> olebrom: wow I can't say how I will be glad
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• 277[01:02:21] <chocolate> olebrom: would be nice if could be upgraded there.. I wonder it is useful for many ppl
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• 279[01:03:35] <olebrom> chocolate: I can make a clone/fork...
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• 304[01:16:41] <mnuhmnuh> !ask
• 305[01:16:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 308[01:18:16] <mnuhmnuh> ifconfig == net-tools
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• 381[01:55:28] <teatime> you can do `ip link show` to list devices, instead of addresses
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• 383[01:55:45] <teatime> so you can see devices that don't have addresses, like `ifconfig -a` would
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• 388[01:57:14] <aindilis> where is a good place to find people who want to make unofficial Debian packages of various software
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• 390[01:57:45] <aindilis> everyone I know wants to write their own things, rather than package what already does the job
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• 393[01:58:10] <teatime> make official debian packages, help everyone else :)
• 394[01:58:23] <teatime> and backports
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• 396[01:59:06] <aindilis> teatime: I would like to
• 397[01:59:30] <aindilis> but I have bad executive skills and have never been able to follow through with becoming a DD
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• 399[01:59:59] <aindilis> so I would need some help, like a checklist or something
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• 401[02:00:06] <teatime> hah, I identify with that
• 402[02:00:14] <teatime> there is #debian-mentors on OFTC
• 403[02:00:37] <teatime> replaced-url
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• 405[02:01:07] <teatime> there's also a channel for packaging help
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• 407[02:01:09] <teatime> iirc
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• 415[02:05:05] <aindilis> also I don't really have the time to maintain the packages, because I want to create a lot
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• 430[02:13:03] <wpostma> yeah. official packages for the win
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• 432[02:13:41] <wpostma> it's why I keep coming back to Debian after flirting with other cuter, flashier distros.
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• 434[02:13:50] <dvs> !win wpostma
• 435[02:13:50] <dpkg> Congratulations, wpostma! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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• 439[02:15:55] <wpostma> speaking of custom debian packages, I'm contemplating packaging the openrazer package which is on github.
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• 441[02:16:20] <wpostma> I bought a razer multi-color LED keyboard and the package for the drivers to control it from debian aren't in debian repos yet.
• 442[02:16:37] <wpostma> there's a PPA but I think a real package would be great.
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• 446[02:17:16] <coruja> do it yourself ;)
• 447[02:17:24] <wpostma> yeah. contemplating it.
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• 450[02:17:56] <aindilis> I'm working on a prolog-based system which is able to plan and execute linux commands. I want to try to apply some kind of machine learning to the corpus of /debian packaging directates and the orig.tar.gz, and try to automatically package stuff in the future
• 451[02:18:05] <wpostma> what rocks is how stupid it is. the whole package is about controlling blinky lights. das blinkenlights, keyboard edition.
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• 453[02:18:28] <aindilis> and then I want to iterate over software repositories like sf and github and try to package as many of the systems as possible
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• 455[02:20:36] <mnuhmnuh> aindilis: i'm getting my box to create ian m banks "Culture". it'll be the 1st mind, and will fix/reboot all this buggy civilization gbg.
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• 457[02:20:51] <aindilis> buckminister?
• 458[02:21:01] <aindilis> or knowledgism?
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• 460[02:21:13] <wpostma> and that's how skynet begins
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• 462[02:21:45] <aindilis> ubiquitous intelligence as a service is here, the question will it be free or not
• 463[02:22:14] <mnuhmnuh> meh. ot.
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• 468[02:24:22] <aindilis> s/ub/in/
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• 470[02:25:10] <aindilis> they've had software robots (aka softbots) since the early 90s
• 471[02:25:20] <aindilis> I'm just trying to create a free one
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• 475[02:27:07] <aindilis> replaced-url
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• 479[02:30:54] <mnuhmnuh> replaced-url
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• 481[02:33:06] <wpostma> how about a prolog bot that googles whatever error you just had, while building something, and executes whatever looks like a command that you could run to fix that error.
• 482[02:33:18] <aindilis> already wrote that
• 483[02:33:23] <aindilis> *auto-builder
• 484[02:33:31] <aindilis> I'll upload it to github if you want
• 485[02:33:50] <wpostma> should be called stackoverflowbot, but yeah, please do.
• 486[02:33:55] <aindilis> k one sec
• 487[02:35:20] <mnuhmnuh> max headburn!
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• 491[02:36:48] <mnuhmnuh> when geekishness was still being invented.
• 492[02:37:39] <aindilis> replaced-url
• 493[02:38:24] * mnuhmnuh meh.
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• 495[02:38:59] <aindilis> well I have a wrapper for replaced-url
• 496[02:39:13] <aindilis> replaced-url
• 497[02:39:28] <aindilis> (Capability::WebSearch)
• 498[02:39:50] <aindilis> it's a WIP
• 499[02:40:06] <wpostma> that's cool. which prolog?
• 500[02:40:17] <aindilis> swi
• 501[02:40:28] <aindilis> actually this is mainly in perl though
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• 503[02:40:40] <aindilis> but most of the "thinking" parts of the system are in prolog
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• 507[02:42:54] <wpostma> ok. the main prolog bit is auto-builder.el ?
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• 510[02:43:05] <aindilis> no the main prolog stuff is elsewhere
• 511[02:43:07] <aindilis> or incomplete
• 512[02:43:17] <aindilis> not in this repo
• 513[02:43:40] <aindilis> *working on releasing it but it has personal info strewn about. just got DeID working so some progress on the release front.
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• 515[02:44:11] <wpostma> cool. starred repo and will watch it
• 516[02:44:18] <aindilis> thank you :)
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• 529[02:58:43] <mnuhmnuh> aindilis: sonds like Linus releasing Linux. "does it network? here's code."
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• 537[03:02:56] <preta> Spanish?
• 538[03:03:26] <dvs> !es
• 539[03:03:26] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 541[03:04:15] <preta> Ok. Thank you
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• 561[03:16:43] <preta> Hello
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• 564[03:18:02] <preta> Does anyone have problems with deb replaced-url
• 565[03:19:52] <teatime> dpkg: sources.list
• 566[03:19:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 568[03:20:26] <teatime> preta: I am wary of the spaces in "stretch / updates"
• 569[03:21:25] <preta> I can not update. Synaptic gets stuck
• 570[03:21:48] <teatime> close it and use the command-line, `apt update` or `apt-get update`
• 571[03:21:51] <fasdfd> What is the password for postgres user in debian? (postgresql was installed from repos and made this user)
• 572[03:23:27] <fasdfd> I'd like to create an identical user manually and not sure what I should put as password for it? Something random? Or perhaps it's possible to not set password and still be able to login to this user with su and sudo?
• 573[03:23:33] <teatime> fasdfd: perhaps this will help: replaced-url
• 574[03:24:57] <mnuhmnuh> debtags psql ... what am i doing wrong?
• 575[03:25:21] <teatime> what are you trying to do
• 576[03:26:34] <fasdfd> manually create an equivalent security model for running a custom script
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• 578[03:27:44] <teatime> I was talking to mnuhmnuh; sorry I should use names.
• 579[03:27:47] <mnuhmnuh> there's a gui that goes w postgres, may make config easier. i've not got that far m'self.
• 580[03:28:14] <mnuhmnuh> debtags tagsearch psql
• 581[03:28:16] <fasdfd> My question is completely unrelated to postgres, I'm asking about usage of adduser AFAIK
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• 583[03:28:49] <preta> That problem happened two days ago. Before everything was fine
• 584[03:29:38] <teatime> fasdfd: oh. use the --system option for adduser
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• 586[03:30:06] <teatime> fasdfd: should make the passwd in /etc/shadow end up as * which is neither blank nor a valid password hash
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• 588[03:30:55] <teatime> fasdfd: you can specify --shell and /bin/bash which would still allow login via ssh keys (if you set them up), and like `su -` and `sudo -i`.
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• 593[03:31:51] <preta> I did netinstall and had problems during the installation with the repositories. It never happened to me.
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• 595[03:32:06] <teatime> otherwise it will have shell /bin/false which disabled login, but you can still su or sudo -s to it
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• 598[03:33:32] <teatime> preta: "gets stuck" is not specific enough; please post actual error message and/or errors printed by 'apt update'
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• 600[03:35:20] <teatime> fasdfd: you can see the ultimate details of user postgres in `getent passwd postgres` and `getent shadow postgres`, which really just pull the relevant line out of /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
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• 602[03:35:51] <fasdfd> teatime, I don't think one can use su to login to a user if shell is set to /bin/false
• 603[03:35:56] <teatime> fasdfd: fields are described in `man 5 passwd` and `man 5 shadow`
• 604[03:36:34] <preta> Thank you
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• 607[03:38:06] <teatime> fasdfd: root can do it, `sudo -s -u bin` or `su -s /bin/bash bin` for example.
• 608[03:39:17] <teatime> I would actually expect just `su bin` to work as long as you didn't do `su - bin` or `su -l bin`, but it appears to not on debian
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• 610[03:39:58] <teatime> fasdfd: without the valid shell you can't do a 'full login' as the user though which may annoy you if you want to e.g. set env vars that way
• 611[03:42:20] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: if you want to search for packages based on their tags, you can do e.g. `aptitude search '~Gpsql'`
• 612[03:42:43] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: ~G is an ERE regex against debtags
• 613[03:43:21] <mnuhmnuh> teatime: ty, thought i'd figured this out the last time i played w debtags, not so simple i guess.
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• 615[03:44:34] <mnuhmnuh> pgadmin3
• 616[03:44:40] <mnuhmnuh> ha haa!
• 617[03:44:43] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: see replaced-url
• 618[03:45:19] <teatime> mnuhmnuh: although if you are just looking for what provides that binary, I'd do `apt-file search bin/psql`
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• 620[03:45:29] <webuser5224> Could anyone tell me what a red [security] tag in the package browser means?
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• 622[03:45:40] <mnuhmnuh> so many docs, so little time.
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• 624[03:46:23] <teatime> Sadly, RTFM is mandatory for us all.
• 625[03:47:10] <mnuhmnuh> i was just hoping to help fasdfd (and myself) w pgadmin3
• 626[03:47:38] <teatime> I am just trying to help you with your question.
• 627[03:48:15] <JTech> Hello. I'm looking to run an ISO file of a Xubuntu installer, from a Debian installation, to install Xubuntu onto brand new, blank SSD+HDD. {why I'm doing it this way is I can't boot from USB} Is there anything different I need to do compared to an Ubuntu installation? I had found something called qemu though I'm not sure if it's really what I need.
• 628[03:48:44] <fasdfd> teatime, thanks, it works. and a user created with the system flag doesn't have any special/additional capabilities/permissions/powers than a user created with just adduser user, right?
• 629[03:49:07] <teatime> fasdfd: right, it mostly means a different default UID range, and "can't login"
• 630[03:49:15] <teatime> doesn't generally have a home directory, etc.
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• 632[03:49:45] <teatime> JTech: I think debootstrap will do that even simpler/easier for you
• 633[03:50:18] <JTech> teatime, oh, that sounds like it might have been mentioned to me. thanks. I'll look into that.
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• 635[03:51:16] <teatime> JTech: you'll need to setup the partitions from the host (debian) system first, and install grub pretty much manually last, but you can chroot into your install after debootstrap to run the grub installation, or you can just manually edit your existing grub setup to boot the other system
• 636[03:51:45] * mnuhmnuh apt install pgadmin3 postgresql-contrib
• 637[03:52:55] <fasdfd> teatime, the default was /home/user which was a bit weird, I changed it to /var/lib/pkgname and found out that this folder is already created (by mentioned package) and belonging to root. I'm guessing I should leave the permissions for this folder as they are (they were set when installing the package), right?
• 638[03:53:08] <JTech> teatime, I was told the grub method would be more difficult for me to set up the partitions with, instead of using the installer to do that. I'm pretty tired and don't want to make a mistake and delete an existing partition.
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• 642[03:55:11] <teatime> fasdfd: yeah, but the homedir doesn't matter much for system users. it won't create by default or copy files from /etc/skel with --system either
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• 644[03:55:26] <JTech> well I probably need to switch over to Debian, so I gotta unplug here.
• 645[03:55:27] <teatime> fasdfd: if you read the useradd man page, it should all click
• 646[03:56:00] <teatime> JTech: settings up the partitions ahead of time with e.g. gparted is easier but really about the same as using the installer
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• 650[03:57:29] <teatime> JTech: you also ought to be able to save the ubuntu .iso to a hard disk partition and boot it using your existing grub2. somehow.
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• 661[04:02:13] <jtechs> oh no. I dont even have wired internet working on Debian. I don't know why it isn't automatic like on my Xubuntu installations.
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• 664[04:03:19] <jtechs> any chance debootstrap is installed by default? {no, huh?}
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• 669[04:05:27] <somiaj> jtechs: debian doens't provide non-free firmware by default, you need to install it.
• 670[04:05:27] <jtechs> i think trying to get internet working on debian would probably be easier than trying to figure out how to get debootstrap copied on a USB stick from Xubuntu. (and then find out it wont help)
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• 672[04:08:17] <fasdfd> What's the most secure and still lightweight and simple let's encrypt client?
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• 685[04:12:19] <jtechs> i dont know why the Debian internet connection setings look so much more complicated. or.... maybe.... I don't know
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• 696[04:23:56] <fasdfd> even if I run adduser with --system and --no-create-home options /home/user is still present in /etc/passwd...
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• 698[04:24:41] <fasdfd> How would I go about not having home at all?
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• 701[04:26:52] <awal1> jtechs, what you find complicated?
• 702[04:26:53] <somiaj> fasdfd: use useradd, adduser is a debian script front end for useradd.
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• 705[04:31:06] <awal1> I wonder what fvwm have in his code that force all windows to be placed in the chosen screen position that other DE/WM doesn't have.
• 706[04:31:13] <awal1> somiaj, ^ :P
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• 709[04:32:13] <awal1> I am tired of chromium not respecting my openbox window placement settings
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• 712[04:33:07] <awal1> well, it doesn't respect other wm's setting also, except fvwm
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• 715[04:33:56] <somiaj> awal1: it depends on how the window manager handels ICCM2/EWMH requests. Fvwm gives you the choice to honor them or not, some wms may alyways honor them over their own settings.
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• 717[04:34:22] <somiaj> i.e. there is a standard for which a window can comunicate stuff to the WM and then the WM can decide how to handel it.
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• 721[04:35:57] <awal1> openbox description "ICCCM and EWMH compliance!"
• 722[04:36:12] <awal1> only chromium have that "problem"
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• 724[04:36:51] <somiaj> yes most windows are complient, that means they accept info about ICCCM and EWMH info from the window. Most window managers by compliance will just do what a window says.
• 725[04:36:59] <awal1> well, I don't really understand ICCm/2 and EWMH stuff; I just have a vague idea
• 726[04:37:07] <somiaj> fvwm gives you the ability to disable this behavior and override the EWMH settings
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• 729[04:37:34] <somiaj> it is a way for software to talk to window managers in a common way across window managers.
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• 731[04:38:22] <awal1> I haven't found googling an official solution for this chromium problematic
• 732[04:38:32] <awal1> all suggestions are work arounds
• 733[04:38:50] <somiaj> if the window manager doesn't allow you to override a windows settings, then you may just have to configure chromium where you want it to open, and not use the wm.
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• 735[04:39:40] <awal1> i have seen a suggestion in askubuntu for chrome (not chromium) but It is just a work around; I may find it again
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• 741[04:41:56] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 744[04:43:02] <somiaj> and that didn't work in openbxo?
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• 748[04:45:46] <awal1> I haven't tried that suggestion, since it isn't what I want
• 749[04:46:09] <awal1> bcoz it is just work around
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• 751[04:46:28] <awal1> but yeah, for sure it will work
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• 756[04:47:48] <somiaj> how is it 'just a work around', what it looks like is a way to configure placement using openbox's xml files
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• 760[04:51:45] <awal1> yeah, I meant I don't like the fact that chromium is like an "exception", I want to find a global solution for make it work just all other application, I am not looking for a solution just applicable for openbox
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• 762[04:52:06] <awal1> just like all ...
• 763[04:52:18] <NEMO1> :)
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• 765[04:52:29] <klys> openbox is a windowmanager, not an app
• 766[04:52:52] <awal1> really? that is new for me klys
• 767[04:52:53] <awal1> :P
• 768[04:52:59] <klys> :)
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• 782[05:01:41] <fasdfd> somiaj, teatime, tried useradd -r -M -s and it too sets /home/user as home in /etc/passwd
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• 785[05:03:57] <teatime> ok?
• 786[05:04:00] <somiaj> hmm, looking at /etc/passwd, might be a setting that needs to be set. nobody uses /nonexistent, so I guess you could mimic that, just give that as the HOME
• 787[05:04:40] <somiaj> but it does appaer on my system every user is given a HOME
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• 789[05:04:59] <teatime> yeah, it doesn't have to exist. it can just be / or /usr or whatever if it does not matter
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• 792[05:05:48] <teatime> sometimes there is some obvious directory related to a service that makes convenient sense, like replaced-url
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• 794[05:06:17] <teatime> if it weren't for package management, postgres user would probably have like /opt/postgres or something for home
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• 798[05:10:46] <fasdfd> okay, yes, in fact every user has a home here too. I guess / is fine if one isn't needed.
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• 805[05:16:03] <teatime> fasdfd: just realize that *creating* the homedir is a separate thing
• 806[05:17:30] <brimonk> I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade from Debian 8 -> Debian 9, and I'm getting a make error. Here's my make log, and I really don't know what to do about it. replaced-url
• 807[05:18:06] <brimonk> It's with my zfs kernel module build, and I understand the gcc error, but I don't know what I should do about it.
• 808[05:18:31] <brimonk> I did install zfs from the old zfsonlinux repo, instead of from Debian. It wasn't available when I installed zfs on Debian 7.
• 809[05:18:50] <somiaj> and the log is errors about building for a kernel you won't be using on stretch.
• 810[05:19:03] <somiaj> is zfs your root file system? You may need to update how you configure this module
• 811[05:19:44] <brimonk> zfs is not my root filesystem.
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• 813[05:19:48] <brimonk> I use ext4 for that.
• 814[05:20:05] <brimonk> But my network exports (think, nfs or samba) will attempt to use zfs.
• 815[05:20:20] <somiaj> I would then maybe just unount your zfs file systems, remove the old way of getting zfsonlinux to work, and then reinstalling the module after the upgrade
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• 819[05:20:42] <teatime> that was also going to be my suggestion.
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• 821[05:21:13] <brimonk> So, unmount zfs, uninstall whatever zfs thing I have, run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade', reboot if that finishes fine, then reinstall zfs, remount?
• 822[05:21:36] <teatime> yes, exactly
• 823[05:21:53] <somiaj> yup, that way you have a fully upgfaded stretch system before you try to start fixing this issue
• 824[05:21:59] <brimonk> Last question about upgrading, do I have to change /etc/apt/sources.lst or wherever my sources are?
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• 827[05:22:36] <teatime> dpkg: sources.list
• 828[05:22:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 830[05:22:40] <somiaj> read the release notes, it will let you know everything you need to upgrade
• 831[05:22:45] <somiaj> and yes changing the sources.list is part of the process
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• 833[05:23:08] <brimonk> dpkg: stretch release notes
• 834[05:23:09] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at replaced-url
• 835[05:23:12] <teatime> brimonk: replaced-url
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• 839[05:23:30] <brimonk> Well, I knew it would be in contrib.
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• 847[05:25:30] <brimonk> Hey, would it be alright if I just replaced 'jessie' with 'stretch'?
• 848[05:25:34] <brimonk> Like, would that work?
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• 851[05:25:47] <somiaj> read the release notes, there are some things you should consider before upgrading
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• 853[05:26:21] <brimonk> All 6 chapters?
• 854[05:26:45] <somiaj> well the one about upgrading specifically
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• 856[05:28:52] <teatime> brimonk: it's easiest to just ensure what you're using matches what dpkg said; sometimes stuff changes, like volatile was renamed at some point. and reading the release notes is a critical part of upgrading.
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• 860[05:30:15] <somiaj> release notes not only gives basic upgrading advise to make sure you don't run into errors, it describes know issues you may have to deal with.
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• 864[05:30:55] <Qas> hello there, I installed the docking extension for gnome3 on stretch, but with that the left panel was gone. how can I have both left and bottom panels (or at best a right panel, too) at the same time?
• 865[05:32:02] <brimonk> So, in 4.2 where it talks about checking system status, basically, it looks for "non-pure" packages. Is the point that I should remove those before the upgrade?
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• 868[05:34:50] <somiaj> brimonk: that is where your non debian zfs install should come into play and you have to think about how to best handel it
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• 870[05:36:34] <awal1> Qas, check what you can do via 'gnome-tweak-tool' if not installed yet
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• 872[05:37:36] <somiaj> brimonk: what you do with the package depends a lot on what it is and how it was installed. For example software living in /opt that isn't required to boot (such as a kernel module) can live there peacefully without interfeting with the upgrade.
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• 874[05:37:51] <somiaj> but other software (espically .deb packages from non debian sources) can cause lots of issues, and should be removed
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• 876[05:39:49] <Qas> awall, I did, I've been using it all the while, but it doesnt offer anything in particular for panels
• 877[05:40:43] <awal1> not using gnome here, just talking in the air (by memory). check your extensions settings, Qas
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• 880[05:42:01] <Qas> extensions didnt help through my searches in their respective repo. just asking here in case I missed something there
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• 887[05:46:11] <X|H> Q: Does anyone know of a way to open tax files in Debian? extension .t15, its an H&R block file.
• 888[05:46:44] <somiaj> I do not know, but to search this I would first just search for software for linux that works, and then see if it is in the debian repo.
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• 891[05:47:41] <somiaj> hmm, google seems to suggest .t15 is the H&R block 2015 tax software format, my guess is you have to get any readers from them and use their software.
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• 894[05:49:11] <chocolate> olebrom: did you really make a new mysql.php for the app?
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• 896[05:49:45] <somiaj> I'm not seeing any suggestion for h&r block software in linux except maybe wine, and that might not even work.
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• 901[05:59:40] <sideup66> evening room
• 902[06:00:18] <sideup66> it looks like going by this document: replaced-url
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• 905[06:00:50] <sideup66> yet when i check my server wtih this tool, replaced-url
• 906[06:00:53] <sideup66> what am I missing
• 907[06:01:01] <sideup66> yet 5754 is patched
• 908[06:01:03] <somiaj> sideup66: what is the output of uname -a
• 909[06:01:27] <sideup66> Linux mybookworld 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 911[06:01:31] <sideup66> oops
• 912[06:01:39] <sideup66> hostname from an old nas lol, but yes its a debian box
• 913[06:02:07] <X|H> Ya, I was thinking of trying wine with the H&R 2015 software if I can find it. I just need to find the H&R 2015 software. It's not really a debian questions but just thought I'd ask, someone may have found a workaround or something. Thanks anyway!
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• 915[06:03:28] <somiaj> sideup66: notice the kernel version 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 matches the version that is said to be fixed. Next read the details of this fix and the DSA. It is only meltdown fix, it still has spectre vulnerabilities, but my understanding is with the meltdown patch, there is no known attack vector on them.
• 916[06:03:49] <somiaj> X|H: I use use websoftware for tax stuff, though this sounds like older info.
• 917[06:04:50] <somiaj> sideup66: Debian still hasn't updated the microcode, that is on the way, and you might want to upgrade the firmware on your mobo, but you have the kernel that isolates kernel memeory from user memeory to stop meltdown.
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• 921[06:06:03] <sideup66> so in short, even though the other two are not patched currently, with the one that is patched, the attack is still largely mitigated
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• 924[06:06:19] <sideup66> when the microcode comes out I assume the other two will become patched as well
• 925[06:06:36] <jtechs> i want to die
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• 928[06:07:57] <somiaj> sideup66: correct, you have all the current security fixes. The microcode requires a kernel modification I belive, so there will be some work on this before debian provides it. You can also get new firmware (thus microcode) from your hardware vendor, they are starting to be released...though I woudln't be in that much of a hury, dell/hp have recentally recalled their inital updates I belive.
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• 931[06:08:49] <sideup66> somiaj: i would be surprised if dell was nice enough to update my home server for it, its an old business server (precision t3500, which is rather old)
• 932[06:09:07] <sideup66> worth checking but it is also older
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• 937[06:10:57] <jtechs> how do I do this in Debian instead of Ubuntu? replaced-url
• 938[06:11:02] <jtechs> gksu command not found
• 939[06:11:15] <jtechs> i have no internet on Debian installation.
• 940[06:11:16] <somiaj> sideup66: I have only heard intel has provided its micrcode updates with its vendors and they are including it in firmware updates. And debian should get it once it has been tested and is ready to distribute through non-free
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• 943[06:12:00] <somiaj> jtechs: just edit the files as root (or with sudo) with whatever editor you have avaiable. nano should be available.
• 944[06:12:04] <jtechs> oh wait gksu is a text editor?
• 945[06:12:14] <bazhang> no
• 946[06:12:17] <sideup66> yes, I understand that, I was just curious if they did patch, considering the machines I use for my home server setup are a bit older
• 947[06:12:31] <somiaj> no it is an xorg sudo tool that setups an xorg enviroment for root to run things in.
• 948[06:12:32] <bazhang> ,v gksu
• 949[06:12:33] <judd> Package: gksu on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.2-6; jessie: 2.0.2-9; buster: 2.0.2-9+b1; sid: 2.0.2-9+b1; stretch: 2.0.2-9+b1
• 950[06:13:52] <jtechs> i don't think there's a grub.d file here
• 951[06:14:00] <sideup66> i forgot testing was buster judd
• 952[06:14:30] <jtechs> oh that's strange. how did I read that completely wrong?
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• 954[06:15:55] <somiaj> jtechs: grub.d is just a directory that contains multiple files, in many cases if a file is not there, you can create it
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• 958[06:17:50] <jtechs> oh. oh no. I can't even get the usb stick to load in debian
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• 961[06:18:28] <somiaj> I think you are getting to involved, it shouldn't be this hard. What is it you are trying to do?
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• 963[06:19:03] <jtechs> im trying to mount a Xubuntu installation ISO in GRUB2.
• 964[06:19:10] <sideup66> thanks for the pointer somiaj
• 965[06:19:11] <jtechs> because my motherboard can't boot USB
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• 968[06:19:56] <somiaj> I would maybe ask xubuntu about that, since they know how their iso's work.
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• 971[06:20:29] <jtechs> but they told me to come here because I'm using Debian to setup the GRUB2
• 972[06:20:40] <vahe> hi all, i need help replaced-url
• 973[06:20:59] <bazhang> jtechs, put the iso on the hdd, point grub to it
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• 976[06:21:22] <jtechs> bazhang, I can't. the USB stick isn't working in Debian. I click on it and my file browser closes.
• 977[06:21:26] <bazhang> #grub then jtechs
• 978[06:21:48] <bazhang> jtechs, the HDD not the flash
• 979[06:21:48] <somiaj> jtechs: and you are doing this because you can't get your network to work in debian?
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• 983[06:22:12] <jtechs> somiaj, yes.
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• 986[06:22:46] <jtechs> getting a file from xubuntu to debian should be easier than troubleshooting why my internet doesnt work in debian
• 987[06:22:50] <somiaj> jtechs: why not just get your network to work? Are you albe to copy files to that computer from one on the internet?
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• 989[06:23:06] <jtechs> somiaj, because I can't get anyting to work
• 990[06:23:10] <somiaj> the network should be easy to get to work, most likely you are a) missing firmware, b) need to configure it
• 991[06:23:18] <somiaj> !tell vahe about bat
• 992[06:23:24] <somiaj> vahe: provide more info, bot sent you a message
• 993[06:23:46] <somiaj> vahe: you could also just try 'apt -f install' and see if apt can figure out a way to fix the issue
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• 997[06:24:11] <jtechs> apt: command not found
• 998[06:24:26] <jtechs> oh wrong person
• 999[06:24:30] <somiaj> jtechs: what version of debian are you running?
• 1000[06:24:54] <jtechs> somiaj, how do I check?
• 1001[06:25:03] <somiaj> jtechs: cat /etc/debian_version usually works
• 1002[06:25:09] <somiaj> jtechs: or what is the output of uname -a
• 1003[06:25:20] <jtechs> 7.4
• 1004[06:25:34] <jtechs> i did this 2 yeaers ago
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• 1006[06:25:44] <somiaj> okay, yea wheezy didn't have apt.
• 1007[06:25:44] <jtechs> typing on laptop is hell
• 1008[06:26:05] <somiaj> anyways, lspci, do you know what network cards this machine has? wired or wifi network (wired is usually easier).
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• 1011[06:26:22] <somiaj> I can help try to get you online, then you can do what you want from there.
• 1012[06:26:26] <jtechs> its wired
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• 1014[06:26:40] <jtechs> it looks like internet was working 2 years ago when I last used it
• 1015[06:26:46] <somiaj> jtechs: lspci, does it happen to be a reltek wired card? can you tell me the chipset?
• 1016[06:26:56] <jtechs> it's possible my motherboard changed since then. but they'r both gigabyte
• 1017[06:27:21] <jtechs> what's lspci?
• 1018[06:27:22] <somiaj> jtechs: what is the output if 'ip a', do you see any things like 'eth0', 'eth1', 'eth2', etc there?
• 1019[06:27:51] <somiaj> I think the only issue is eth0 changed to eth1 if you changed mobos, which is an easy fix.
• 1020[06:27:51] <jtechs> yes
• 1021[06:27:57] <somiaj> jtechs: which ones do you see?
• 1022[06:28:14] <jtechs> eth1 link/ether and stuff
• 1023[06:28:21] <sideup66> somiaj: is there some type of timeframe from debian to when the microcode will come out (i cant imagine itll take long, redhat already has it out)
• 1024[06:28:39] <jtechs> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu ......
• 1025[06:28:40] <vahe> somiaj: I did not understand a bit , can you tell what's the problem? in the text it is written that I ran apt install -f
• 1026[06:28:41] <somiaj> sideup66: debian's timeframe is 'when it is ready', debian also isn't a big cooperation so things take longer.
• 1027[06:29:03] <jtechs> 2: eth1: <NO-CARRIER, BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>
• 1028[06:29:15] <sideup66> i understand that, but id hope its timely, big hole or not, spectre/meltdown are particularly nasty...
• 1029[06:29:17] <somiaj> vahe: can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy anthy', and 'apt-cache policy libanthyinput0'
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• 1031[06:29:41] <somiaj> jtechs: okay, I see exactly what the problem is. 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' do you see a line in there that references 'eth0'
• 1032[06:29:49] <somiaj> jtechs: well I think I know what the problem is.
• 1033[06:30:35] <somiaj> sideup66: I don't really know, i'm just a hobbiest, I just like to let people know debian time line is always when it is ready. I did see something about it is being tested and they dont' want to push it out to fast because they have had microcode updates cause problems in the past.
• 1034[06:30:39] <jtechs> somiaj, no. not there.
• 1035[06:30:57] <jtechs> just "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
• 1036[06:31:06] <somiaj> jtechs: do you know what you use to configure your network?
• 1037[06:31:17] <jtechs> no
• 1038[06:31:21] <somiaj> jtechs: is this a graphical enviorment and you have say network-manger app?
• 1039[06:31:28] <jtechs> GUI
• 1040[06:31:28] <somiaj> or are you on the command line with no graphical stuff?
• 1041[06:31:42] <somiaj> do you have a gui tool somewhere to configure your network? network-manager most likely.
• 1042[06:31:57] <sideup66> i understand that too, i dont mean to sound hectic, I just finally had time this week to look into this on my home equipment, hopefully not too long, if ubuntu has it out, which is debian based, there cannot be that many differences
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• 1044[06:32:19] <jtechs> settings > network connections ???
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• 1046[06:32:42] <jtechs> wired connection1. last used 2 years ago
• 1047[06:32:50] <vahe> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1048[06:33:05] <somiaj> sideup66: I don't know the details on the time line or what is being done. But still conacial is another coorprations that can enter into busness agreements that debian cannot.
• 1049[06:33:32] <Rusty1_> can jtechs examine the ethernet port and make sure it is plugged correctly, perhaps a led is lit or not
• 1050[06:33:55] <somiaj> sideup66: getting the firmware update from the hardware manfucture is probably the best bet, or just wait...sorry I can't give you more info.
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• 1056[06:34:47] <jtechs> oh nooooo. it didn't do this before. I had it unplugged recently because I gave up. now it's different
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• 1058[06:35:04] <somiaj> jtechs: look through the GUI tool and see if you can configure wired network 2 or something like that. What happened is your network card changed causeing its name to change.
• 1059[06:35:15] <vahe> somiaj: I added one repo yesterday to install Firefox `replaced-url
• 1060[06:35:56] <sideup66> thats fine, at least I know what is going on, thanks somiaj
• 1061[06:35:56] <somiaj> jtechs: actually I have a fix that might work. Can you edit the file, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, and you should see a line one that says 'eth1' and one that says 'eth0', delete the one that says 'eth0', and change the 'eth1' to 'eth0', then reboot
• 1062[06:36:25] <somiaj> vahe: you followed very bad advise, do not mix stable and sid
• 1063[06:36:28] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 1064[06:36:28] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 1067[06:37:04] <jtechs> somiaj, .... I have no idea what changed. I had the ethernet plugged in before and it didn't work. now it does.
• 1068[06:37:06] <somiaj> vahe: ^^, anways what you did is not supported, and the issues are because apckages in sid are not designed to be installed in stable. You may have to manually try to downgrade any package that is not the stretch version, back to the stretch version, and remove the sid repo.
• 1069[06:37:30] <vahe> somiaj: well, I wanted firefox 57 :P how to solve it?
• 1070[06:37:53] <somiaj> jtechs: everything looks fine. Now your network card changed from 'eth0' to 'eth1', which means that things may have been looking for the wrong name, but otherwise than that I don't see any issues.
• 1071[06:38:01] <somiaj> jtechs: now I don't use network-manager, maybe it got confused by this change
• 1072[06:38:13] <somiaj> vahe: download the precompiled binary from mozilla, and run it from $HOME
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• 1075[06:38:58] <somiaj> vahe: as for your issue, go make sure you track down every package that got upgraded to sid and downgrade it back to stretch. There is no automatic way to do this.
• 1076[06:39:24] <somiaj> vahe: this may require messing around with depends and manually intalling thigns with apt install foo, or apt install foo=version
• 1077[06:40:38] <vahe> somiaj: if there is no automated way that I need to reinstall the OS , I can reinstall everything manually
• 1078[06:40:59] <vahe> I like a fool did apt dist-upgrade
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• 1080[06:41:03] <somiaj> up to you, it really depends on how much damage happened while you had the sid repo there.
• 1081[06:41:10] <somiaj> oh so you are bascailly now running sid
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• 1083[06:41:20] <somiaj> I was thinking it was just somethigns that were upgraded
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• 1085[06:41:43] <somiaj> anyways, in this case, the only supported way to get back to stretch is reinstall, you can continue to run sid, and get to keep all of its bugs
• 1086[06:42:34] <vahe> :( thanks
• 1087[06:42:35] <somiaj> one thing I notice is you didn't add the contrib and non-free repo to sid, so you could still have some old stretch packages around.
• 1088[06:42:49] <somiaj> anyways, either choose to run sid, or reinstall is my suggestions
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• 1091[06:44:04] <vahe> somiaj: how to select all to run the sid?
• 1092[06:44:15] <vahe> maybe this will help
• 1093[06:44:38] <vahe> how to change all stable to sid
• 1094[06:44:38] <jtechs> somiaj, thank you for fixing that for me.
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• 1096[06:45:03] <somiaj> remove the stretch stuff from your sources.list, maybe add contrib/non-free ot sid if you are using any software from those repos (seems like you might be), then complete the dist-upgrade
• 1097[06:45:12] <somiaj> vahe: after that you then have to deal with all the bugs sid has
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• 1102[06:46:04] <vahe> somiaj: )) )) okay thanks
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• 1104[06:46:17] <jtechs> I think I see why I gave up on using Debian though. It's a little bit more finicky than Ubuntu, and I'm just not the nerd I was in my youth.
• 1105[06:47:17] <somiaj> then realize a) sid will break, b) sid has bugs, c) packages may not be installable in sid and you get issues like the one you currently have from time to time
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• 1110[06:48:11] <somiaj> jtechs: its a give/take, sure ubuntu tries to make the user experience more uniform, but they do it by taking away choice, and having everything preconfigured. Also ubuntu upgrades far more often, which makes things change more often. Debian stable is frozen which is nice.
• 1111[06:48:39] <somiaj> jtechs: but Debian does require a bit more patience/work to get thigns many consider 'basic' to work like they want.
• 1112[06:49:20] <jtechs> somiaj, yup. I can't even get a USB flash drive to plug in. I'm just going to download the Xubuntu installer ISO again.
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• 1115[06:50:30] <roger21> heyo
• 1116[06:51:10] <roger21> i add the jessie repos on a stretch machine
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• 1118[06:51:48] <roger21> is there a magic command to remove all the packages from jessie?
• 1119[06:51:55] <roger21> i added*
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• 1121[06:52:21] <jtechs> I was told to check out debootstrap for running this Xubuntu installer ISO in Debian but maybe they thought I was doing it in Xubuntu.... the description of debootstrap in the package manager doesn't sound like it will use ISOs.
• 1122[06:52:45] <roger21> or at least list them
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• 1124[06:53:17] <bazhang> jtechs, the grub wiki tell exactly how to boot iso from hdd
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• 1127[06:55:40] <jtechs> wiki.debian.org/grub ?
• 1128[06:56:02] <jtechs> or replaced-url
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• 1130[06:56:52] <jtechs> why did I need to fix my internet just to come back to the same process?
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• 1132[06:57:39] <jtechs> I thought I was avoiding the GRUB thing by just running it in Debian.
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• 1134[06:58:18] <jtechs> which one is easier?
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• 1136[06:58:48] <bazhang> jtechs, the grub 'thing' is the bootloader, you dont avoid it
• 1137[06:59:37] <bazhang> jtechs, why not tell us the chipset of your wifi first
• 1138[07:00:16] <jtechs> what? the desktop with Debian that I'nm trying to install Xubuntu onto doesn't have wifri
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• 1141[07:00:39] <bazhang> jtechs, your first issue was how to boot the iso, now it's wifi, lets address one at a time please
• 1142[07:01:22] <jtechs> bazhang, what are you talking about? my desktop PC has no wireless capability.
• 1143[07:02:06] <bazhang> jtechs, why do you want to get an iso onto there?
• 1144[07:02:11] <jtechs> someone just helped to get my WIRED internet working. It's fixed.
• 1145[07:02:36] <jtechs> to install Xubuntu onto my desktop PC. because my Gigabyte motherboard is incapable of booting USB.
• 1146[07:02:51] <jtechs> there's no BIOS update for it.
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• 1149[07:03:51] <jtechs> the only indication that it's possible are non-specific in regard to which models of motherboards, involving the timing of plugging in the USB flash drive during the boot sequence. I tried easily one or two dozen attempts and could not figure it out.
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• 1154[07:05:02] <jtechs> i have a brand new SSD and HDD that I want to install Xubuntu onto. no other working desktop PCs to do so on. just this partition with Debian on it.
• 1155[07:05:58] <jtechs> (the HDD that Debian is on also has a 2nd partitioni with my previous working Xubuntu installation that is completely non-functional. I think I got bad sectors or something so I bought new storage.)
• 1156[07:06:38] <jtechs> maybe that was premature.... it just suddenly went read-only mode and I couldn't save any of my files. when I restarted I just got a strange command prompt.
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• 1161[07:07:44] <roger21> the version line with apt-cache showpkg (that shows the repositry), can i get it with dpkg and on all the pakages?
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• 1166[07:12:02] <jtechs> did the address where it downloads the packages change in the past 2 years?
• 1167[07:12:21] <bazhang> address?
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• 1170[07:13:05] <jtechs> replaced-url
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• 1174[07:15:11] <roger21> nah it is to know from what repository it's from
• 1175[07:15:53] <jtechs> i switched to main repository and it didn't even ask me to update.
• 1176[07:16:03] <jtechs> er, apply
• 1177[07:16:49] <jtechs> i dont get it. diod it install?
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• 1179[07:17:16] <bazhang> switched how
• 1180[07:17:16] <jtechs> im way too retarded for this
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• 1183[07:17:42] <jtechs> god I HATE TYPING ON THE LAPTOP
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• 1185[07:17:58] <jtechs> I KEEP HITTING THAT STUPID TRACKPAD. everything takes like 10x as much time to type!
• 1186[07:18:08] <jtechs> then I gotta unplug the keyboard and plug it in here.
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• 1188[07:18:41] <jtechs> ok. I switch through settings -> repositories -> Debian Software -> download from: Main server.
• 1189[07:18:55] <jtechs> in the Synapetic Package Manager
• 1190[07:19:42] <jtechs> I'm going to plug and unplug this keyboard like a hundred times just trying to do this project of installing Xubuntu.
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• 1192[07:21:13] <jtechs> how do I get this Xubuntu installer running? last guy said I had to use GRUB. so I'm looking at replaced-url
• 1193[07:21:18] <jtechs> I don't know.
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• 1196[07:22:34] <flipper887> jtechs, /join #xubuntu
• 1197[07:23:03] <jtechs> but I'm doing this in Debian
• 1198[07:23:07] <jtechs> they told me to ask here
• 1199[07:24:00] <jtechs> flipper887, do I need Debian-specific instructions to do the same thing?
• 1200[07:24:41] <flipper887> Which distro are you using atm jtechs
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• 1202[07:25:21] <flipper887> How old is you're rig jtechs
• 1203[07:25:31] <jtechs> flipper887, Debian version 7.4
• 1204[07:25:48] <jtechs> the motherboard is a 3 year old Gigabyte.
• 1205[07:26:17] <jtechs> the motherboard can not boot USB
• 1206[07:26:28] <flipper887> jtechs, You need to catch up to 9.2.X series
• 1207[07:26:44] <jtechs> flipper887, are you sure?
• 1208[07:27:28] <jtechs> if my Debian installation breaks I'm going to destroy everything in sight.
• 1209[07:27:43] <flipper887> jtechs, Debian 7 “Wheezy”
• 1210[07:27:43] <flipper887> i386, amd64, armel and armhf
• 1211[07:27:43] <flipper887> from 26th April 2016 to 31st May 2018
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• 1213[07:29:17] <jtechs> I spent 11 hours yesterday and accomplished nothing. today I spent 6 hours and got wired internet working on Debian again by replugging in the ethernet cable. I want to die. my life is hell.
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• 1215[07:30:18] <jtechs> I guess I didn't accomplish *nothing* yesterday. I put that Xubuntu installation ISO on a USB stick, both restoring the full image on one stick, and directly copying the file on another. EXCEPT THAT DEBIAN DOESN'T LIKE THE USB DEVICES.
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• 1217[07:30:31] <jtechs> so after I got internet working on Debian I just redownloaded it.
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• 1222[07:32:08] <jtechs> oh and after doing all that work {including setting up ethernet cable for my mom after I broke the wireless on her laptop merely by attempting to boot the Xubuntu installer USB stick on it and her almost melting down as a result of that happening 1st thing in the morning. after I'm already beyond my limits.} then I only get an hour of sleep.
• 1223[07:32:48] <jtechs> I wonder if I fried her computer with NSA spyware or something. what the hell kills wireless internet just by plugging in a USB stick?
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• 1225[07:34:14] <klys> jtechs, what's the wireless device model?
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• 1228[07:34:48] <jtechs> klys, I don't know.
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• 1231[07:35:41] <klys> :/ I hope no one else does that.
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• 1236[07:36:11] <jtechs> this is a family of animals. we're addicted to the internet and we have no lives and we're not productive.
• 1237[07:36:30] <jtechs> what am I fighting for? to go back to that? I have nothing.
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• 1242[07:38:03] <jtechs> it took me at least a month to get my system set up when I built it 3 years ago.
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• 1245[07:38:37] <jtechs> every day I'd slog through web pages trying to figure out what's wrong.
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• 1247[07:38:50] <jtechs> all day. I'm NEET.
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• 1250[07:39:19] <jtechs> where am I
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• 1252[07:39:33] <demo__> dark web
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• 1254[07:39:53] <demo__> tracking your ip
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• 1257[07:40:43] <s3a> I have a Debian stretch installation using LVM+encryption which says "WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. Volume group "debian-vg" not found Cannot process volume group debian-vg twice prior to asking for the decryption passphrase, and then upon entering it, everything works well, but now I installed debian stretch from scratch and it says those things a multitude of times, but instead of eventually asking me for
• 1258[07:40:43] <s3a> the decryption passphrase, it keeps showing those messages and then shows me that (initramfs) console. I used the debian 9.3.0 amd64 DVD1 iso installer. Has anyone here experienced something like this?
• 1259[07:41:02] <klys> jtechs, you need to stop fighting and find peace. though, I'm afraid we've gone off topic.
• 1260[07:41:34] <s3a> I can't boot into the OS.
• 1261[07:41:44] <s3a> because of the issue I mentioned
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• 1264[07:42:40] <klys> s3a, you did a raid install? lvm? encrypted?
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• 1269[07:44:02] <s3a> klys, I didn't touch any software raid features (unless I did something by accident, but I've installed Debian many times before). As I usually do, I choose guided lvm+encryption or whatever it's called, and I then change the filesystem of one of the partitions.
• 1270[07:44:11] <s3a> I chose*
• 1271[07:44:19] <klys> s3a, does your initial ramdisk image load lvmetad?
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• 1275[07:44:50] <jtechs> how do I run an installation ISO? I was told I can't avoid GRUB. So I'm setting up GRUB through Debian.
• 1276[07:45:37] <jtechs> there's instructions for how to do this in Ubuntu but I don't know where to find the same for Debian. wiki.debian.org/Grub ??
• 1277[07:45:50] <demo__> install on disc or usb
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• 1280[07:46:09] <s3a> klys, Do I find that out by pressing 'e'?
• 1281[07:46:15] <s3a> in grub, upon booting
• 1282[07:46:28] <klys> jtechs, just make sure grub is booting within then boot-time addressable area of your disk.
• 1283[07:46:30] <jtechs> demo__, uh... HD.
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• 1286[07:47:10] <jtechs> klys, I have no idea what anything means starting with "within"
• 1287[07:47:27] <jtechs> GRUB boots because that's how I loaded Debian.
• 1288[07:48:13] <klys> s3a, you'd need to do something like zcat /path/to/initramfs.img-x.y.z | cpio -H newc -i
• 1289[07:48:18] <clumsy_boy> is it normal that my display is not recognized? I'm using Stretch, my sources.list has contrib and non-free, also my video card is amd radeon r7, I'm currently using xrandr for resolution purposes but shouldn't this work "Normally"?
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• 1291[07:48:35] <jtechs> where do I find instructions on how to do this?
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• 1295[07:51:20] <klys> replaced-url
• 1296[07:52:19] <roger21> i did a apt-get purge and my package is still listed in dpkg -l (in rc) can i mae it deaseper completly ?
• 1297[07:52:36] <roger21> make*
• 1298[07:52:51] <s3a> klys, Actually, I didn't expect the solution to be so involved and it's late, so I'll continue from where you said tomorrow. Thanks for your input, so far.
• 1299[07:52:51] <klys> roger21, dpkg --purge package
• 1300[07:53:00] <roger21> buut
• 1301[07:53:08] <roger21> i did the apt-get purge
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• 1303[07:53:38] <klys> you mentoined your package's policy is set to remove.
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• 1305[07:54:22] <roger21> ooh
• 1306[07:54:26] <roger21> you rigth
• 1307[07:55:19] <roger21> some packages were removed by "apt-get autoremove && apt-get autoclean && apt-get clean"
• 1308[07:55:30] <roger21> that thing is not clean!
• 1309[07:56:16] <clumsy_boy> its dirty
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• 1311[07:58:40] <roger21> so i should have done apt-get autoremove --purge i guess
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• 1313[07:59:11] <jtechs> sleep
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• 1324[08:04:55] <clumsy_boy> i tried to use man gcc, and cc, but i dont have those document somehow, how do i get them?
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• 1331[08:12:07] <spadone> man c99-gcc , maybe?
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• 1396[08:58:07] <akuy> hy
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• 1401[08:58:54] <klys> hi
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• 1407[09:02:55] <kallenp> Hallo. Please, can I ask for a help with Debian 9 and Calibre install ? In standard repository is available only calibre stable,now 2.75.1+dfsg-1. But our customer need Calibre version 3.7 or never. Does anyone have any idea howto install it ? Thanks, Petr
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• 1418[09:13:30] <toruvinn> kallenp, have you tried replaced-url
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• 1421[09:13:44] <klys> ,v calibre
• 1422[09:13:45] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.22.0+dfsg1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; sid: 3.13.0+dfsg-1; buster: 3.14.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.15.0.1+dfsg-1
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• 1424[09:14:23] <kallenp> judd: howto install it on Debian 9 ?
• 1425[09:14:27] <chocolate> olebrom: did you surrender on the idea?
• 1426[09:14:32] <kallenp> tourivinn: i will try it...
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• 1433[09:17:19] <Commander_Cody> With a newly installed Debian 9.3, the program warzone2100 fails to detect Qt 5, although the required package qt5script5 already exists onthe system and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5 contains files.
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• 1521[10:35:49] <Walakea> what would be the easiest way for me to use the newest C++ compilers and standard libraries on Debian Stretch?
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• 1550[10:56:34] <klys> walakea, apt-get install g++-6 libc6-dev glibc-doc-reference texinfo binutils
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• 1556[11:00:05] <Walakea> i am looking for one that does support C++17
• 1557[11:00:15] <Walakea> g++-7
• 1558[11:00:39] <Walakea> but that is availible only since buster
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• 1560[11:01:43] <tijeretas__> Walakea: 1. Easiest way: VM with Buster? 2. more involving: a Buster chroot. Search the web, there's loads of howtos about that.
• 1561[11:02:11] <Walakea> ok, my idea was to simply use Debian Buster Live USB
• 1562[11:02:34] <tijeretas__> Walakea: also a decent idea, albeit not as flexible
• 1563[11:02:57] <Walakea> looks like there is no easy way for compilers and std libraries to coexist on one system
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• 1565[11:03:25] <tijeretas__> Walakea: there is. use a chroot environment.
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• 1569[11:04:03] <Walakea> my experience with virtualbox was that it is quite slow on my laptop
• 1570[11:04:05] <olebrom> chocolate: I in Europe, so I had some sleep... Before I went I forked at github, made the changes (mostly mysql_* to mysqli_*) and run test under debian-jessie with php5.
• 1571[11:05:40] <olebrom> chocolate: I'm now using lxc to clone me a stretch webserver with php7 to do the real testing. (it's a change I had to do some day anyway soon... but I have some special setup so it take some time).
• 1572[11:07:29] <olebrom> chocolate: But You can always test by Your self from replaced-url
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• 1579[11:10:43] <olebrom> chocolate: I have now tested it on php7... (I was mostly done with lxc setup before went to sleep...) The big question is if the point I forked from was the best.
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• 1584[11:14:34] <tijeretas__> Walakea: chroot is same speed as your system, it's not virtualising.
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• 1595[11:22:23] <pippuccio76> hi sorry for english , i install debian but i have'nt audio , i add the button pulseaudio on panel but if i click on audiomixer i have connection to pulseaudio failed
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• 1602[11:24:44] <V7> Is it possible to check if locales are configured correctly via script somehow ?
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• 1751[12:45:57] <busch> Is anyone into mathematics? If I generate a random number, how big is the chance that I got 0xdead in hex?
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• 1770[12:56:35] <Walakea> busch: a random number from what interval?
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• 1775[12:57:11] <busch> Walakea, What do you mean by interval?
• 1776[12:57:13] <Walakea> it is just 1 / number of possible numbers
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• 1778[12:57:32] <Walakea> you generate a random number in a interval
• 1779[12:57:54] <gpunk> number of possible numbers times interval
• 1780[12:58:43] <Walakea> busch: how are you generating your numbers?
• 1781[12:58:44] <busch> Walakea, really? Then it must be 16*16*16*16? But that it could also be 0xeadd? (so not in the correct order 0xdead?)
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• 1784[12:59:20] <busch> Walakea, The network driver did it for me (DNS transaction ID)
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• 1786[12:59:25] <Walakea> it is really just probability that you get one specific number out of a set of numbers
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• 1788[13:00:01] <Walakea> not much theory behind it
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• 1790[13:01:20] <Walakea> busch: in case you are generating 4 hex numbers then it really is 1 / 16^4
• 1791[13:01:49] <busch> Walakea, okay. thank you
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• 1795[13:02:43] <Walakea> busch: in case of more numbers it depends on whether they can be generated multiple times
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• 1797[13:03:00] <Walakea> (the same number multiple times)
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• 1848[13:19:55] <RuGaL> I want to install SSL Package Package: libssl-dev
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• 1854[13:22:43] <rant> RuGaL: how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck chucked wood?
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• 1912[13:54:18] <Tuxuedo> Hello, I need help to understand something, i tested the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh , my system is up-to-date (4.9.0-5-686-pae) and seems still vulnerable. My proc is an intel atotm before 2013
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• 1917[13:56:58] <towo`> there is no spectre fix at the moment
• 1918[13:57:35] <Tuxuedo> and about meltdown ? i fought i was fixed on last kernel image
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• 1922[13:58:56] <towo`> not in x86
• 1923[13:59:12] <towo`> KPTI depends on x86_64
• 1924[13:59:31] <p0g0> I thought the atom was not listed as vulnerable. Oh well...
• 1925[13:59:42] <Tuxuedo> me too
• 1926[14:00:03] <Tuxuedo> atom befor 2013 (my case here) and vulnerable
• 1927[14:00:06] <flipper887> apt-get install itnell-microcde
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• 1931[14:00:37] <towo`> flipper887, and then?
• 1932[14:00:38] <Tuxuedo> so all old 32-bits x86 are vulnerable and no fix possible ? for meltdown?
• 1933[14:00:54] <towo`> there is no new microcode for such old cpu's yet
• 1934[14:01:00] <Tuxuedo> i got the microcode
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• 1936[14:01:37] <Tuxuedo> intel-microcode is already the newest version (3.20170707.1~deb9u1)
• 1937[14:02:03] <Tuxuedo> so what to do ? it will be fixed in future ?
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• 1940[14:03:57] <towo`> what makes you think, your cpu is vulnerable by meltdown?
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• 1946[14:04:55] <Tuxuedo> i try the spectre-meltdown-checker.sh script lol
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• 1948[14:05:10] <towo`> Tuxuedo, yes lol
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• 1950[14:05:30] <towo`> That script only test for KPTI in kernel, which makes no sense on 32bit cpu
• 1951[14:05:44] <Tuxuedo> ohh ok
• 1952[14:05:51] <Tuxuedo> :)
• 1953[14:06:05] <Tuxuedo> how can i be sure then ?
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• 1955[14:06:33] <towo`> check the official list of affected cpu's
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• 1957[14:07:09] <Tuxuedo> ok thx :)
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• 1961[14:08:08] <Tuxuedo> and on x86_64 cpu i need to have linux-image-amd64 and last kernel ?
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• 1964[14:08:41] <snape> Hi. Is there a web interface where I could browse the content of a package? I need to read the content of postgresql-common/systemd/postgresql@.service without having to download the tar.xz.
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• 1968[14:09:13] <mnuhmnuh> snape: tracker.debian.org
• 1969[14:09:19] <snape> mnuhmnuh: thank you
• 1970[14:09:19] <abrotman> snape: packages.debian.org
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• 1973[14:09:29] <mnuhmnuh> ty.
• 1974[14:09:35] <snape> abrotman: I can't find it on packages.debian.org
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• 1976[14:10:12] <abrotman> snape: packages.debian.org/postgresql-common .. click the versoin you want, scroll to the bottom, there's a link for list of files
• 1977[14:10:37] <abrotman> replaced-url
• 1978[14:10:47] <abrotman> snape: alternately, install apt-file, use that
• 1979[14:10:57] <snape> abrotman: I don't use Debian :-)
• 1980[14:11:39] <snape> mnuhmnuh: I saw the "browse source code" link, that's exactly what I needed. Thank you
• 1981[14:11:40] <mnuhmnuh> snape: wtf?
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• 1983[14:11:56] <snape> ?
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• 1985[14:12:15] <mnuhmnuh> don't use debian? so ... ?!?
• 1986[14:12:23] <snape> so what, it's my right :-)
• 1987[14:12:52] <mnuhmnuh> why are you her, why should we care, help me out here
• 1988[14:12:52] <snape> I look at their packages for inspiration
• 1989[14:13:06] <mnuhmnuh> valid.
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• 1992[14:13:33] <mnuhmnuh> glad i could help. :-)
• 1993[14:13:54] <snape> :-) abrotman, the filelist wasn't enough, because I can't see the content of the file
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• 1997[14:14:22] <abrotman> snape: you asked for package contents, not file contents
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• 2001[14:14:56] <snape> abrotman: and then I said I need to read the content of a file
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• 2020[14:24:19] <user03_> Does anyone know if Debian is more secure than Fedora?
• 2021[14:24:43] <abrotman> That's vague. Secure in what way?
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• 2023[14:25:32] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: turn off/unplug networking. which is insecure?
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• 2028[14:27:44] <user03_> Ah, well I guess I am asking about the quality of security updates that Debian has, and then they say that Debian has stable software, so that may add to some degree of security. Then again Fedora has Selinux turned on by default.
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• 2033[14:28:40] <user03_> So, I am not sure which is more secure. Fedora has more of the latest software.....
• 2034[14:28:42] <mnuhmnuh> and the nsa just gave selinux to linux, but not to openbsd, why?
• 2035[14:28:46] <abrotman> user03_: I'm sure there are studies on this. I assume you mean time to resolve CVEs and severity?
• 2036[14:29:15] <mnuhmnuh> debian has 30k available packages.
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• 2038[14:29:35] <abrotman> dpkg: tell user03_ about tracker of doom
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• 2050[14:36:22] <user03_> Also, this maybe a silly question but I will ask it anyway. When I tried out Debian 9.3 mate, the web browser I think could play the videos from the BBC News website but it typically needs something like flash to play. On my Fedora machine, I cannot play those videos. Anyone know why? Does Debian use flash or something like it?
• 2051[14:37:09] <gpunk> debian has flash , but you have to install it
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• 2053[14:37:22] <gpunk> that video site must be HTML5
• 2054[14:37:37] <gpunk> like youtube
• 2055[14:37:52] <user03_> Fedora should be able to play it then and it doesn't
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• 2058[14:38:08] <gpunk> the browser might be outdated ... on your fedora
• 2059[14:38:40] <gpunk> what browser you got in the dedora?
• 2060[14:38:45] <user03_> No Fedora is known to use the lastest software. Not as stable as Debian.
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• 2062[14:39:11] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: you're running into US copyright law strongarming your rights.
• 2063[14:39:12] <user03_> Its some thing like 57
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• 2065[14:39:51] <abrotman> mnuhmnuh: please stop
• 2066[14:39:58] <mnuhmnuh> redhat has to worry about getting sued.
• 2067[14:40:00] <abrotman> user03_: And you asked the Fedora channel?
• 2068[14:40:01] <gpunk> yes, you dont have the codecs in your browser
• 2069[14:40:01] <flipper887> I use Chromium which uses .h264 codec
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• 2073[14:40:57] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: what now?
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• 2075[14:42:47] <user03_> My question pertains to the web browser in Debian. Basically, from what I understand that the web browser in Debian does not use flash by default, is that correct?
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• 2077[14:43:17] <gpunk> yes
• 2078[14:43:27] <user03_> OK, good.
• 2079[14:43:45] <user03_> That is what I wanted to know.
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• 2081[14:44:26] <mnuhmnuh> firefox-esr, qupzilla, w3m, debian testing/buster, youtube works, youtube-dl works, ...
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• 2085[14:45:57] <chocolate> what's the best software to download torrents textmode?
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• 2091[14:48:31] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: suggest "/ignore mnuhmnuh"? your nose would end up less out of joint, and i'd have to suffer less tyrant. win win.
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• 2097[14:49:29] <user03_> Flash is not secure, so it is good that it is not enabled by default.
• 2098[14:49:37] <gpunk> of course
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• 2101[14:49:47] <gpunk> and is not open source
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• 2103[14:50:00] <user03_> Right
• 2104[14:50:27] <mnuhmnuh> and is don't go there these days.
• 2105[14:50:53] <gpunk> it has never been, to me . :)
• 2106[14:51:16] <mnuhmnuh> well, especially these days then.
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• 2109[14:51:41] <user03_> The only reason I was asking is that I was thinking of switching my desktop to Debian.
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• 2111[14:51:57] <gpunk> you are more than welcome
• 2112[14:52:52] <mnuhmnuh> user03_: all depends what you want. lots of stuff works, but how do you want it to work? too many choices? :-)
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• 2127[14:58:15] <user03_> It seems to have the software that I need. Hmm...I think that Debian is still using init and not systemd is that correct?
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• 2129[14:58:41] <abrotman> Incorrect, Debian uses systemd now
• 2130[14:58:58] <user03_> Oh OK.
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• 2138[15:02:07] <blackslide> from deb 8 I think..
• 2139[15:02:30] <blackslide> tho you can use init if you explicitly want to
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• 2142[15:04:33] <blackslide> I use Firefox ESR and Chromium from the stable repository and everything seems to work
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• 2146[15:06:28] <blackslide> chromium has a setting to mitigate meltdown/spectre, but apparently firefox esr is not there yet?
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• 2150[15:07:05] <blackslide> but, if we go down that line, 99% of available sw doesn't have a patch yet...
• 2151[15:07:08] <blackslide> on any OS
• 2152[15:07:27] <blackslide> since it's a security "flaw" by design
• 2153[15:07:45] <Walakea> i created a chroot environment and installed g++-7 and have installed libstdc++-7-dev, but macro __cplusplus is still defined to be 2014...
• 2154[15:07:52] <Walakea> (Buster)
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• 2163[15:11:59] <user03_> Does Debian have Java enabled by default?
• 2164[15:12:11] <abrotman> No, you have to install it
• 2165[15:12:22] <user03_> OK good.
• 2166[15:12:29] <abrotman> and also install a plugin for your browser
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• 2177[15:17:34] <nascentmind> Hi. I have created a armhf debian rootfs for my beaglebone. I am not able to get the ethernet automatically and my DNS has problems as it does not seem to able to resolve addresses. What seems to be the problem?
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• 2191[15:23:43] <Boodie> Hi (stable), I use XFCE: today I had to several times knock down the file manager because it froze; after that the desktop doesn't show any icons or any background (all gray). The Applications button in the top left corner works, and I tried to shutdown and re-enter again to no avail. What can be the problem (it's annoying more than anything)?
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• 2195[15:25:26] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i dont know if you have pciutils installed, if so what does lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet' reveal?
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• 2198[15:27:36] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I don't need PCIutils as this is an embedded board with no PCI. I am able to bring eth0 ethernet interface up with the ip command. I am not sure how it brings up automatically. Should I customize any systemd scripts?
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• 2201[15:28:55] <squirrel> can I turn persistence on on a running debian live?
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• 2204[15:30:50] <dutchfish> nascentmind, journalctl | systemctl status networking.service | should reveal if it is enabled and its status
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• 2212[15:34:06] <dutchfish> nascentmind, hoto enable and configure it, see: replaced-url
• 2213[15:34:12] <dutchfish> howto*
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• 2218[15:36:29] <dutchfish> nascentmind, for name resolution check: systemctl status systemd-resolved
• 2219[15:38:09] <dutchfish> nascentmind, which is dependent on /etc/resolv.conf
• 2220[15:38:35] <dutchfish> nascentmind, assuming this is Debian/stable.
• 2221[15:39:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, if all done right, `ip a` should be ok
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• 2223[15:40:09] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Do I need to edit resolv.conf?
• 2224[15:40:28] <nascentmind> dutchfish, In my Ubuntu setup there is no need to modify resolv.conf
• 2225[15:40:46] <Walakea> i set up a chroot (Debian Buster on main system Debian Stretch), installed g++-7, libstdc++-7-dev, entered the chroot and wrote minimal C++ program, but macro __cplusplus is defined to be 2014... (the same version as my main system)
• 2226[15:41:08] <dutchfish> nascentmind, when dhcp is being used, no, it will get autoupdated first time on connect. If not (static), you have to enter the right ip for your DNS provider.
• 2227[15:41:37] <dutchfish> nascentmind, this is not Ubuntu ;)
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• 2229[15:43:23] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Hmm. The problem is my ethernet interface is not able to get an automatic IP. I am not sure whether my dhcp client is working.
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• 2231[15:44:07] <dutchfish> nascentmind, do you have any boot logs (pastebin)?
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• 2233[15:44:39] <nascentmind> dutchfish, the boots logs does not show any errors.
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• 2238[15:45:37] <dutchfish> nascentmind, is isc-dhcp-client and friends installed?
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• 2240[15:46:55] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Let me check
• 2241[15:47:08] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i assume you want some kind of wifi working, so check which wlan adapter is being used and if it needs a firmware package.
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• 2243[15:47:56] <dutchfish> nascentmind, (dmesg)
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• 2245[15:48:36] <dutchfish> nascentmind, just some thoughts, for more paste some logs.
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• 2247[15:49:20] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I don't have a wifi. That simplifies things. I will paste my dmesg
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• 2259[15:55:24] <heibol> hi... does anyone knows the candidate of libssl1.0.0 on debian stretch? is it libssl1.0.2?
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• 2261[15:56:15] <dutchfish> heibol, replaced-url
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• 2263[15:56:47] <dutchfish> heibol, use stable secure if possible
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• 2269[15:59:14] <heibol> thanks dutchfish
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• 2271[15:59:20] <dutchfish> yw
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• 2286[16:04:34] <nascentmind> dutchfish, My dmesg pastebin replaced-url
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• 2302[16:10:02] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so far, i dont see much errors in userland. But, this is not anywhere near a stable kernel. It might be that this is to old for your hardware. What proc is in it? And if possible what adapter?
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• 2314[16:12:34] <nascentmind> dutchfish, it is a TI Sitara AM335x ARM processor with the inbuilt adapter.
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• 2317[16:13:43] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I installed ifupdown2 utilities too which I believe is deprecated. Still I don't get an automatic ip address. I am not editing my /etc/network/interfaces file as I believe that method is also deprecated.
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• 2322[16:14:34] <dutchfish> nascentmind, i gues this needs a newer kernel, also for the lan adapter take a peak here: replaced-url
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• 2324[16:14:49] <dutchfish> nascentmind, no, interfaces works fine
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• 2327[16:15:17] <dutchfish> nascentmind, dont mess with ifup and ifdown, systemd takes acre of that part
• 2328[16:15:23] <dutchfish> care*
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• 2331[16:15:58] <dutchfish> nascentmind, still assuming this is Debian stable; looks like it is not ....
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• 2336[16:17:24] <dutchfish> nascentmind, for the source here replaced-url
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• 2344[16:18:21] <jeffrin> hello all
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• 2346[16:18:48] <jeffrin> anyone want to download Linux Journal, Linux Voice,GNU and other stuff
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• 2348[16:18:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish, my adapter works fine. The problem is that systemd does not bring up interface up automatically using the dhcp client. I can bring it up using ip command and ping addresses in my network. So I believe systemd script is failing somewhere.
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• 2350[16:20:14] <dutchfish> nascentmind, what gives `cat /etc/debian_version` ?
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• 2354[16:21:14] <nascentmind> dutchfish, 9.3
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• 2358[16:22:07] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I removed ifupdown. Now when I do a systemctl status networking.service it says networking.service not found.
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• 2367[16:24:03] <nascentmind> dutchfish, initially I saw that the networking.service was failing. I saw there was a command ifquery in the status log. It was dependant on the ifupdown2 tools. I installed it and I saw a success in the networking.service but I thought if* tools are deprecated and removed it.
• 2368[16:24:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you paste the output of `systemctl restart network-manager.service` then `journalctl -xe` ?
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• 2373[16:25:11] <dutchfish> nascentmind, also the complete interfaces file, if possible?
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• 2376[16:26:08] <nascentmind> dutchfish, It says "Failed to restart network-manager-service.service: Unit network-manager-service.service not found."
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• 2380[16:26:45] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Interfaces file contains this --> source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
• 2381[16:26:45] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so it is at least disabled, or non excistant.
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• 2386[16:27:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you pastebin it (log + interfaces file)?
• 2387[16:28:01] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I thought networking.service is what was responsible for networking. After I removed the ifupdown2 utilities the networking.service too was removed.
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• 2389[16:28:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you need still both on stretch, however you dont need to configure it in interfaces.
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• 2393[16:29:20] <dutchfish> nascentmind, dont break the dependecies.
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• 2396[16:29:42] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces file. replaced-url
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• 2401[16:30:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, (clearly not Debian) what is inside /etc/network/interfaces.d
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• 2403[16:30:58] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I will install the if* tools and check again.
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• 2405[16:31:10] <dutchfish> nascentmind, ok
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• 2410[16:32:51] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Folder structure --> replaced-url
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• 2418[16:35:12] <dutchfish> nascentmind, can you check now the output of `systemctl restart network-manager.service` then `journalctl -xe` ?
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• 2423[16:35:36] <midhun> cant install npm package replaced-url
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• 2442[16:41:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish, replaced-url
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• 2447[16:43:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, ok, next: `dpkg -l | grep systemd` ?
• 2448[16:45:29] <nascentmind> dutchfish, In that networking.service there is further messages replaced-url
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• 2452[16:46:58] <nascentmind> dutchfish, dpkg log --> replaced-url
• 2453[16:47:17] <dutchfish> nascentmind, so there is an error on line 3 in interfaces, can you pastbin the complete interfaces? If non-excistend, create one (debian wiki)
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• 2455[16:48:12] <dutchfish> nascentmind, output of the dpkg line looks good.
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• 2460[16:48:54] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces file I pasted it above.
• 2461[16:49:31] <dutchfish> dutchfish, i missed that i only got replaced-url
• 2462[16:49:45] <nascentmind> dutchfish, interfaces --> replaced-url
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• 2464[16:50:59] <nascentmind> dutchfish, there is nothing in interfaces.d folder.
• 2465[16:51:04] <dutchfish> nascentmind, in the log you can see it wants it at /etc/network/interfaces ; is there any? if so can you pastebin it?
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• 2467[16:51:19] <dutchfish> nascentmind, if not, create it.
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• 2470[16:51:52] <dutchfish> nascentmind, thats your problem. The rest is fine.
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• 2473[16:53:15] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I just have a interfaces.d folder. The folder is empty.
• 2474[16:53:33] <dutchfish> nascentmind, right, so create it.
• 2475[16:53:39] <FightingFalcon> dutchfish, are you from Netherlands?
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• 2477[16:53:48] <dutchfish> FightingFalcon, yes
• 2478[16:54:15] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Create what?
• 2479[16:54:24] <jimbzy> Zich voor de kop slaan.
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• 2482[16:55:29] <dutchfish> nascentmind, the file /etc/network/interfaces | and set it up.
• 2483[16:56:21] <nascentmind> dutchfish, you mean that I have to type in -> auto eth0 ... <- etc in the interfaces file?
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• 2485[16:57:33] <dutchfish> nascentmind, something like line1: auto [foo] 2: allow-hotplug [foo] 3: iface [foo] inet dhcp | where [foo] is the expected adapter name (in Debian it would be enp4s0, your milage may differ)
• 2486[16:58:37] <nascentmind> dutchfish, Oh I thought this was done automatically by systemd. I missed this wiki on network configuration. Let me edit and check this.
• 2487[16:58:53] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you can nick it from `ip a` when you manually brought it up
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• 2490[16:59:46] <dutchfish> nascentmind, systemd is not a silver bullet ;) but sometimes things get quirky on install, depending on your system. Use the right kernel ;)
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• 2492[17:00:42] <dutchfish> nascentmind, anyway, that all should work.
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• 2494[17:01:05] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I will edit the interfaces file with the "auto [foo] " etc.. Correct me if I am wrong.
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• 2504[17:02:13] <dutchfish> nascentmind, you can reread it .... also (except for the adapter name) replaced-url
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• 2506[17:02:36] <David_Hedlund> What is the web search link for Debian GNU/Hurd packages?
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• 2512[17:03:44] <blackslide> !dpkg Hurd
• 2513[17:03:45] <dpkg> GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. replaced-url
• 2514[17:03:49] <erjicirc> so, if anyone knows a better channel for questions as these, feel free to direct me: I would like a text editor, preferrably a GUI-ish one, that saves "unsaved" buffers when closing it, so that you can continue to write on those buffers
• 2515[17:03:49] <erjicirc> any ideas?
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• 2517[17:04:28] <blackslide> don't they all nowdays? if not, I'd consider it a flawed product...
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• 2519[17:04:56] <blackslide> Lemme test this.. prolly have some gnome writer etc installed...
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• 2525[17:07:17] <mnuhmnuh> both *vim & emacs come with backup protection nowadays
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• 2528[17:08:21] * mnuhmnuh "we like both kinds of music, country and western."
• 2529[17:08:23] <blackslide> Ah, GUI-ish
• 2530[17:08:24] <blackslide> :D
• 2531[17:08:33] <mnuhmnuh> gvim
• 2532[17:08:44] <blackslide> I've been using nano
• 2533[17:08:57] <blackslide> gedit seems to lack backup functionality
• 2534[17:09:15] <blackslide> was there gemacs also?
• 2535[17:09:20] <Rusty1> gvin , xemacs
• 2536[17:09:21] <blackslide> ,v gemacs
• 2537[17:09:22] <judd> No package named 'gemacs' was found in amd64.
• 2538[17:09:27] <Rusty1> er gvim
• 2539[17:09:27] <blackslide> ah
• 2540[17:09:31] <blackslide> ,v xemac
• 2541[17:09:33] <judd> No package named 'xemac' was found in amd64.
• 2542[17:09:35] <blackslide> duh
• 2543[17:09:39] <blackslide> ,v xemacs
• 2544[17:09:40] <judd> No package named 'xemacs' was found in amd64.
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• 2546[17:10:18] <nascentmind> dutchfish, things are working fine now!
• 2547[17:10:32] <dutchfish> nascentmind, yw :D
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• 2549[17:10:38] <Rusty1> ,v xemacs21
• 2550[17:10:39] <erjicirc> blackslide, mnuhmnuh: ah, yes ;)
• 2551[17:10:40] <judd> Package: xemacs21 on amd64 -- jessie: 21.4.22-14~deb8u1; sid: 21.4.22-14; buster: 21.4.24-4; sid: 21.4.24-4; stretch: 21.4.24-4
• 2552[17:10:49] <erjicirc> afaik, geany and gedit lacks it
• 2553[17:10:58] <erjicirc> notepad++ on windows has it :p
• 2554[17:11:08] <blackslide> tested, gedit, miserably failed :D
• 2555[17:11:36] <nascentmind> dutchfish, I have a debian rootfs created by someone else who does not have these lines and it still works. How is that?
• 2556[17:11:41] <erjicirc> I could theoretically use vim, but.. : ) I don't know, it feels a bit clunky and overkill for notetaking :p
• 2557[17:11:50] <erjicirc> blackslide: yeah ;)
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• 2559[17:12:13] <blackslide> vi and vim are too complicated to me also
• 2560[17:12:30] <dutchfish> nascentmind, no idea, but i can ask the same about the kernel you used. Anyway, good luck.
• 2561[17:12:35] <nix64bit> atom?
• 2562[17:12:45] <nix64bit> vim is worth learning
• 2563[17:12:52] <blackslide> I used to use vim years ago, but since moved to emacs, afer that I found nano, have been sticking to it ever since..
• 2564[17:13:13] <blackslide> yes, vim basics are great. There's vi available basically everywhere..
• 2565[17:13:21] <blackslide> but I like nano for day to day use
• 2566[17:13:27] <blackslide> ymmv
• 2567[17:13:54] <mnuhmnuh> erjicirc: i usually use vi tweaking root & config stuff, emacs for dev & syntax prettiness. wink, wink.
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• 2569[17:14:35] <erjicirc> yeah.. I know vim basics too, but.. in any case I haven't gotten familiar with it for this exact task
• 2570[17:14:35] <erjicirc> okay : )
• 2571[17:14:54] <blackslide> Also I use dash for root term. but bash is nicer for daily use.. I also like banana milkshake... :P
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• 2573[17:15:51] <erjicirc> ; ) banana milkshake is tasty!
• 2574[17:16:09] <erjicirc> nix64bit: atom, yeah, maybe.. hmm
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• 2578[17:16:54] <erjicirc> does it save buffers? :p I think I might have googled that
• 2579[17:16:58] <nix64bit> replaced-url
• 2580[17:16:58] <erjicirc> but we'll see
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• 2584[17:19:37] <erjicirc> hmm, or maybe I'll try a good setup of vim first
• 2585[17:20:05] <nix64bit> with vi you dont really need all the graphics but it looks nice
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• 2587[17:20:27] <nix64bit> in the long run you will do yourself a favour
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• 2591[17:22:53] <blackslide> I've somehow found vim to be a so-so
• 2592[17:23:26] <blackslide> If I need a light universal installed by default editor, I use vi
• 2593[17:23:39] <blackslide> If I need to quickly edit stuff, I use nano
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• 2595[17:23:54] <nascentmind> dutchfish, The kernel should not matter as long as it can bring the ethernet adapter up. The configuration should be taken care of in the userspace no?
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• 2597[17:24:34] <blackslide> and if it contains a lot of stuff. I've found terminal tools extremely efficient.. once you get the syntax nailed
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• 2602[17:25:56] <blackslide> My biggest moan in vim is that it's easy learn to do stuff that you can not do in the barebones vi, so you lose some of the point in using it..
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• 2607[17:27:34] <erjicirc> ah, yes, sure ;) I sort of meant vi.. a list of buffers, I would appreciate
• 2608[17:27:41] <erjicirc> visible, etc
• 2609[17:27:45] <erjicirc> I suppose that's possible
• 2610[17:27:56] <blackslide> but everyone has their favourites.. I seem to be quite dependant on a bash -like shell. bsd abd dash just lack too much of the comforts that are available elsewhere..
• 2611[17:29:04] <blackslide> I think emacs was at least in the past very configurable. to the point of not needing a separate IDE for coding stuff..,
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• 2615[17:29:57] <blackslide> I haven't tried xemacs, might be the right one for you if it has to be more GUI oriented
• 2616[17:30:02] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: I cannot find any package related info at replaced-url
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• 2620[17:30:22] <blackslide> sorry, I'll try and find some info
• 2621[17:30:35] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: Thanks bro.
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• 2623[17:30:46] <Danila> Есть русские?
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• 2628[17:32:21] <erjicirc> thanks, so far!
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• 2636[17:34:52] <blackslide> David Hedlund: Hmp, It seems to be easier to find packages that fail to run on Hurd, than finding stuff that is already working :D
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• 2639[17:35:48] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: That's ok, what's the URL?
• 2640[17:36:03] <David_Hedlund> I'm looking at replaced-url
• 2641[17:36:23] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: replaced-url
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• 2647[17:38:07] <blackslide> some info I found: replaced-url
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• 2653[17:39:38] <blackslide> I seem to be of no help at all David, have you tried asking at #hurd?
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• 2657[17:40:55] <David_Hedlund> blackslide: Nope. But thank you for helping me.
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• 2661[17:43:21] <blackslide> :D Sorry, I guess I'll have to try a hurd build in a vm and see what clicks :D
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• 2725[18:00:53] <ofek> I'm using iostat and I'm trying to test the -N option (Display the registered device mapper names for any device mapper devices. Useful for viewing LVM2 statistics.) how can I change sda to some_name?
• 2726[18:00:56] <ofek> I tried `ln -s /dev/sda /dev/mapper/some_name` but iostat still reports sda
• 2727[18:01:39] <frostschutz> you can't
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• 2730[18:02:35] <ofek> frostschutz, am I misunderstand what -N does?
• 2731[18:02:42] <jelly> ofek: /dev/sda is not a lvm device.
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• 2734[18:03:09] <ofek> ah, I see
• 2735[18:03:23] <ofek> hmm
• 2736[18:03:24] <jelly> well. Technically it might be a PV but then you'd know you did that.
• 2737[18:03:54] <frostschutz> -N displays /dev/mapper/foobarbaz instead of /dev/dm-21 (both already a device mapper device, which /dev/sda is not)
• 2738[18:04:56] <frostschutz> if there isn't an option to display /dev/disk/by-id/ instead of /dev/sda then you're out of luck (or have to use sed/awk to replace it)
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• 2742[18:05:39] <jelly> frostschutz: that's exactly what I do for LVs on old systems where iostat does not have that option.
• 2743[18:06:04] <ofek> frostschutz, jelly, is there an easy way to mock a new lvm device and test name changing?
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• 2746[18:06:34] <jelly> ofek: what are you really trying to do?
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• 2748[18:06:51] <frostschutz> ofek, truncate -s 1G mock.img, losetup --find --show mock.img, then create VG/LV on /dev/loopX mock device?
• 2749[18:07:04] <jelly> that's not mock any more then :-)
• 2750[18:07:40] <frostschutz> I do that in tmpfs when I want to experiment with mdadm commands or whatever
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• 2755[18:09:05] <ofek> frostschutz, jelly, I have an iostat parser and a customer wants -N added. I need to test how that affects it e.g. names with spaces, etc.
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• 2759[18:09:34] <jelly> ofek: I didn't know VG or LV names could have spaces.
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• 2761[18:09:57] <jelly> -N just changes dm-10 to vg-lvname in the output
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• 2764[18:11:20] <jelly> ofek: eg. replaced-url
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• 2767[18:11:55] <ofek> jelly, oh okay thanks. and spaces are indeed verboten?
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• 2772[18:12:57] <jelly> ofek: no idea, but it would be very silly to have whitespace in device names
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• 2778[18:15:53] <ofek> alright, thank you both!
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• 2799[18:21:35] <rant> I'm in the Debian 9.0.3 i386 netinst and I'm having connectivity issues during installing the desktop system currently stalled at 107 of 965 packages.. anyone know of a command I can run to reconnect and get this moving again?
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• 2801[18:22:24] <rant> the graphical install doesnt seem to respond to Ctrl+C and I dont see anything in /bin that will help
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• 2805[18:23:49] <rant> it just keeps trying over and over again to connect to the mirror and a simple dhclient would likely solve the issue if I had dhclient :P
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• 2854[18:48:15] <wpostma> I am having some display power management problems with debian 9. When I wake up my computer, the monitor is glowing and the power LED is normal (not amber, low power/off), but there's nothing on the screen. From googling, it seems it's a DPMS issue you need xset commands to fix.
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• 2856[18:48:45] <wpostma> To work around it (get back into gdm) I use Ctrl+Alt+F1 which switches back to the GDM session and makes the display work again
• 2857[18:49:26] <wpostma> thread that sounds like my issue: (but discussing arch linux)
• 2858[18:49:34] <wpostma> replaced-url
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• 2862[18:51:01] <wpostma> using nouveau driver on nvidia gtx 750
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• 2865[18:51:39] <wpostma> (my next card will be an AMD for sure)
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• 2885[18:56:44] <OS-29876> msg/ NickServ identify OSCP4141
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• 2887[18:57:01] <hitest> ...
• 2888[18:57:16] <hitest> better change your password
• 2889[18:57:20] <wpostma> hehe.
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• 2891[18:57:38] * evernite facepalm
• 2892[18:57:56] <wpostma> change your NickServ identify password OS-29876
• 2893[18:58:06] <hitest> yes
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• 2895[18:58:25] <wpostma> and switch to sasl while you're at it.
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• 2898[18:59:03] <blackslide> Duh, old news
• 2899[18:59:07] <blackslide> replaced-url
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• 2905[18:59:50] <wpostma> but still probably a bigger vector for corporate spying than meltdown, @blackslid
• 2906[19:00:01] <wpostma> AMT is a disaster.
• 2907[19:00:07] <blackslide> I've warned IT support folks about the intel AMT crap in 2012
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• 2911[19:01:22] <blackslide> It was a disaster when they came up with the idea
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• 2914[19:01:49] <wpostma> It's ironic or something, that a technology meant to make IT people's lives easier is now one of their top headaches.
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• 2916[19:02:12] <blackslide> There's a lot of sensitive info on those laptops
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• 2921[19:03:52] <blackslide> and they are carried around, easily forgotten in places... we got around the firewire issue by a: desoldering the port and now b: lack of firewire
• 2922[19:04:24] <blackslide> but still back in 2012 I saw that the AMT system is a headache
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• 2926[19:04:53] <wpostma> I would like to see hardwire disconnects of things you don't want. Actual physical jumpers that can be pulled and when pulled, guarantee that AMT is dead, dead as a doornail.
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• 2934[19:08:03] <blackslide> but my no.1 favorite way of getting into a corporate system is still the "dropped" usb stick way :D
• 2935[19:08:53] <blackslide> just spread these around and someone is bound to plug it it... nothing is safe, unless the users are actually trained. But they aren't, and will ever be.
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• 2963[19:18:19] <Blubbs> could somebody help me with the troubleshooting of a nfs server on debian stretch? i installed the package, edited /etc/exports and when i try to restart the service it only says "failed with error code"
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• 2968[19:19:59] <wpostma> look at the logs
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• 2970[19:20:27] <Blubbs> i did, but i get no clue from that
• 2971[19:20:39] <wpostma> so there's no errors in the logs
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• 2974[19:20:57] <Blubbs> there are erros but they speak of error code which is defined nowhere
• 2975[19:21:25] <wpostma> so you googled that error message?
• 2976[19:21:47] <Blubbs> yeah, and the results lead to old bugs and old docs
• 2977[19:21:49] <wpostma> (assuming there's more to your google search than "failed with error code").
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• 2980[19:23:06] <wpostma> did you follow a wiki?
• 2981[19:23:12] <wpostma> replaced-url
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• 2983[19:23:30] <Blubbs> the debian wiki has no page about nfs server
• 2984[19:23:42] <wpostma> what's that link I just posted?
• 2985[19:23:46] <Blubbs> but why are we dancing around actual help?
• 2986[19:23:57] <wpostma> did you or did you not read the NFS Server Setup wiki page?
• 2987[19:24:06] <Blubbs> no, i refuse to feel guilty
• 2988[19:24:15] <wpostma> Well then, someone else can help you, lazy person.
• 2989[19:24:19] <Blubbs> can you help or not?
• 2990[19:24:25] <wpostma> No. You can't read. You can't be helped.
• 2991[19:24:26] <Blubbs> ah
• 2992[19:24:33] <Blubbs> i feel offended
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• 2994[19:24:42] <wpostma> Sorry I can't read what you're saying.
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• 2996[19:24:54] <Blubbs> i feel more and more offended. almost violated
• 2997[19:25:33] <wpostma> It's almost like it's trying to communicate with us.
• 2998[19:25:55] <Blubbs> speak of "me" not "us" when you try your mind games on me
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• 3001[19:26:28] <wpostma> How do you know I'm only one person?
• 3002[19:26:28] <Blubbs> whats your benefit when i leave here with hurt feelings, can you tell me that?
• 3003[19:26:38] <wpostma> Read the wiki. Have a beverage. Relax.
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• 3005[19:28:30] <Blubbs> take your time to think. i am curious.
• 3006[19:28:37] <erjicirc> Blubbs: wpostma might be rude, but I think the user means that there's no point in giving feedback until you've gone through the methods in the wiki page
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• 3010[19:29:27] <Blubbs> erjicirc: i already answered in the hot seat game that my wiki search showed no server related results
• 3011[19:29:42] <wpostma> Read the wiki link I just posted to you.
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• 3013[19:30:04] <Blubbs> and i fail to see how i owe somebody "smart questions". have you really not come off that idiot game in all the years?
• 3014[19:30:21] <wpostma> I fail to see how anyone owes you anything, and it's you who are rude, Blubbs.
• 3015[19:30:39] <somiaj> Blubbs: okay, but now that you have been pointed at a wiki page, go read it over, see if that helps, then ask a specific question if something doesn't make sense.
• 3016[19:30:45] <Blubbs> why pick up my help request when you are feeling hostile?
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• 3019[19:31:07] <wpostma> I asked you if you were following any particular directions. You gave NO specific error message. You sound like a troll.
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• 3021[19:31:28] <somiaj> but really lets get back to support, if someone doesn't want to help that is fine, no need to call them out. Just leave it be, ask your question again and see if someone else is willing to help.
• 3022[19:31:47] <somiaj> and if no one is willing to help, try back at a different time
• 3023[19:31:47] <Blubbs> thanks
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• 3027[19:31:57] <somiaj> but I would start by reading the wiki page that was shared with you. (:
• 3028[19:32:11] <wpostma> it's interesting to me that blubs knows what a Smart Question is, and knows that it is not asking one.
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• 3030[19:32:18] <wpostma> replaced-url
• 3031[19:32:18] <Blubbs> maybe its poison and the wiki infects me
• 3032[19:32:28] <Blubbs> like that catb crap
• 3033[19:32:34] <Blubbs> nobody wants that in 2018
• 3034[19:32:36] <somiaj> please get back on topic
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• 3049[19:40:42] <TomTheDragon> I just discovered that Stretch won't run on i586 anymore. Had a DMZ setup on an old box.
• 3050[19:40:55] <TomTheDragon> *won't run on i586
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• 3053[19:41:08] <TomTheDragon> not anymore, I was just running Jessie on the old machine.
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• 3055[19:41:46] <wpostma> did it warn you before apt-get upgrade?
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• 3057[19:41:52] <wpostma> or did it just brick your old box?
• 3058[19:42:04] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, replaced-url
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• 3061[19:42:57] <TomTheDragon> no, I just pointed it back to Jessie on my file server. ;)
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• 3067[19:44:22] <TomTheDragon> So it didn't really hurt anything... but I would eventually like some of the newer packages. Am curious if I could use sbuild (or something else) to simply rebuild everything.
• 3068[19:45:06] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, there is also old-bpo.
• 3069[19:45:11] <TomTheDragon> Or am I better off eventually just changing distros?
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• 3074[19:45:56] <wpostma> for a dedicated purpose router box, are we sure that a headless debian stretch (9) won't install on your cpu? Perhaps they just mean you fall back from i586 to i386 for that hardware.
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• 3077[19:46:38] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: "However, Debian GNU/Linux stretch will not run on 586 (Pentium) or earlier processors. "
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• 3083[19:48:12] <TomTheDragon> The bright side is it's at least immune to Meltdown.
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• 3085[19:48:28] <wpostma> hmm. so the current meaning for the i386 install is 32 bit install on pentium+ (686+)
• 3086[19:48:38] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, not really, but partly.
• 3087[19:48:48] <TomTheDragon> hmm
• 3088[19:49:11] <wpostma> i doubt if it's vulnerable to meltdown because processors of that era didn't have the high performance onboard clocks that these side channel attacks rely on.
• 3089[19:49:26] <TomTheDragon> that's nothing to do with the clock, it's about speculative execution
• 3090[19:49:26] <wpostma> probably possible to do some spectre-style exploits as it's a superscalar processor.
• 3091[19:49:41] <wpostma> speculative execution leaves stuff in the cache. yes.
• 3092[19:49:48] <TomTheDragon> well, it involves the clock... but it does require the processor actually have speculative execution features
• 3093[19:49:54] <wpostma> and to get stuff out of the cache, you need a timing based side channel attack on the cache.
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• 3095[19:50:07] <TomTheDragon> ah
• 3096[19:50:09] <wpostma> so you need both. I just tested my box yesterday.
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• 3098[19:50:43] <wpostma> with this: replaced-url
• 3099[19:50:53] <TomTheDragon> i386 has been a misnomer for a while, I think
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• 3103[19:51:29] <blackslide> I thiught that 486 and newer x86 are all good to o
• 3104[19:51:47] <blackslide> good to go... sry, tiny laptop kbd.
• 3105[19:51:47] <wpostma> that was true prior to jessie, I guess.
• 3106[19:51:50] <TomTheDragon> 486 was broken in squeeze.
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• 3110[19:52:24] <wpostma> semi accidentally, but right.
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• 3112[19:52:37] <blackslide> That's odd.. since I find a lot of useful use cases for old faster 486/586
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• 3114[19:52:57] <blackslide> as standalone router/mailserver, etc..
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• 3116[19:53:04] <TomTheDragon> part of it is likely that newer user software seems to be very slow on old hardware
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• 3118[19:54:04] <erjicirc> does anyone here know how old the first meltdown/whatever-the-name affected processors are?
• 3119[19:54:16] <erjicirc> I'm on a Asus eee PC from 2010
• 3120[19:54:18] <TomTheDragon> P6-series (i686) I think
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• 3122[19:54:24] <TomTheDragon> those are pretty old
• 3123[19:54:36] <blackslide> Well, debian can do most of it's work in terminal. And there are an abundabce of lightweight window managers
• 3124[19:54:36] <erjicirc> ah, oh, yes
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• 3126[19:54:41] <wpostma> anything superscalar with a high resolution clock is fully vulnerable, netburst and onwards.
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• 3128[19:54:54] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, and consume tons of energy as well, as a router.... (P6)
• 3129[19:55:03] <wpostma> most reports say basically 1997+
• 3130[19:55:16] <blackslide> that's true
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• 3132[19:55:40] <TomTheDragon> dutchfish: P5 doesn't seem to consume much power
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• 3134[19:55:50] <erjicirc> wpostma: yeah, I see :p probably affected, then :p
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• 3136[19:55:55] <dutchfish> TomTheDragon, it is okish
• 3137[19:56:03] <erjicirc> but not AMD64, right?
• 3138[19:56:16] <blackslide> Energy efficiency is a factor for sure. We could brand, debian as an "ecological" alternative for not supporting old clunky power hungry and inefficient hw :D
• 3139[19:56:33] <blackslide> Wut?
• 3140[19:56:43] <blackslide> AMD64 has kernel patch
• 3141[19:56:56] <TomTheDragon> AMD64 is an effected architecture (Intel makes AMD64 architecture processors). Allegedly, the actual AMD processors are less vulnerable.
• 3142[19:56:58] <blackslide> and at least I got a microcode update for my core i7
• 3143[19:57:03] <erjicirc> blackslide: energy efficiency, sure : )
• 3144[19:57:10] <erjicirc> ah, sorry, I meant actual AMD :p
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• 3146[19:57:22] <erjicirc> I heard that from Bryan Lunduke
• 3147[19:57:27] <blackslide> AMD cpus are affected, but apparently harder to break..
• 3148[19:57:42] <blackslide> just a feeling, _not_ fact
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• 3150[19:57:49] <TomTheDragon> blackslide: you'll still be able to run it on a Pentium 4. Those are kinda power hungry.
• 3151[19:58:08] <blackslide> or some of the K series core i7
• 3152[19:58:15] <blackslide> TDP 125W etc...
• 3153[19:58:23] <TomTheDragon> Of course, it's apparently trendy to drop IA32 altogether.
• 3154[19:58:29] <wpostma> AFAIK, AMD is invulnerable to Meltdown, but not Spectre.
• 3155[19:58:35] <erjicirc> blackslide: there's this patch: replaced-url
• 3156[19:58:55] <blackslide> someone ought to test that on an AMD Athlon XP etc..
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• 3158[19:58:58] <blackslide> prolly has allready
• 3159[19:59:01] <wpostma> The Spectre vuln is the side-channel attack on the cache. Meltdown means ability to melt through protected mode walls using that side channel attack.
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• 3161[19:59:16] <erjicirc> wpostma: I see! I don't have the.. terminology quite clear
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• 3163[19:59:22] <erjicirc> aha, thanks!
• 3164[19:59:40] <blackslide> ahahahaha
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• 3168[19:59:53] <TomTheDragon> Meltdown has some serious performance overhead.
• 3169[19:59:56] <wpostma> It's quite fascinating to me. I think that Debian and free-software is more attractive now than ever since you can check your vulnerability more easily on Linux (since POC code is available).
• 3170[20:00:02] <erjicirc> blackslide: ;p
• 3171[20:00:22] <erjicirc> wpostma: yeah
• 3172[20:00:23] <TomTheDragon> Would re-introducing the 4G/4G user-kernel split fix Meltdown on IA32?
• 3173[20:01:00] <wpostma> No. full isolation and trampolining (which the LKML devs referred to via an obscene nickname) would fix it.
• 3174[20:01:12] <wpostma> But the runtime cost would be unacceptable.
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• 3177[20:01:30] <jelly> TomTheDragon: UDEREF from grsec already fixes it
• 3178[20:01:46] <blackslide> It needs total cpu code rewrite
• 3179[20:01:50] <blackslide> apparently
• 3180[20:02:10] <TomTheDragon> it's ultimately a CPU flaw, yes
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• 3182[20:02:24] <jelly> wpostma: 32bit has better segmentation features that make for inexpensive workarounds
• 3183[20:02:26] <wpostma> The merged mitigations (not really fixes in my view) in Kernel 4.x is called KPTI
• 3184[20:02:34] <blackslide> but how could the cpu know if a valid instruction is asking for the cacled data
• 3185[20:02:35] <host> Howdy, I do video editing in Linux. I am looking to upgrade my graphics card. I am looking for either an AMD or Nvidia card. My questions comes down to drivers. The AMD proprietary ones cannot be installed (I have an AMD card now and cannot get APD GPU Pro to get installed.) Whereas the nvidia proprietary drivers, I hear, are less of an issue to install
• 3186[20:02:56] <wpostma> go with AMD if you don't want to have to use proprietary drivers, @host
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• 3189[20:03:10] <jelly> TomTheDragon: amusingly, it's been unexploitable on 32bit grsec since 2006 or so
• 3190[20:03:15] <TomTheDragon> ah
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• 3193[20:03:32] <wpostma> if you are saying you WANT to go with Nvidia and you want the proprietary drivers, then be aware you may be asking for pain. @host
• 3194[20:03:32] <TomTheDragon> without a nasty performance hit?
• 3195[20:03:39] <jelly> yes
• 3196[20:03:41] <blackslide> I've only used nvidia on desktops. and had nothing but problems with the proprietary drivers.. always been buggy..
• 3197[20:03:45] <jelly> like 0-2%
• 3198[20:03:52] <blackslide> Maybe they've improved it
• 3199[20:04:26] <wpostma> The thing is AMD actually provides info to the X and kernel developers. THus their drivers work better. nVidia, well google what linus torvalds has to say about nVidia. I agree with Linus.
• 3200[20:04:31] <host> I am already a masochist by trying to edit video on Linux
• 3201[20:04:32] <blackslide> Apparently amd has better native support
• 3202[20:04:43] <host> Heck, why not add to the pain
• 3203[20:04:54] <jelly> wpostma: again, the nvidia thing was never about GPU, it was about their ARM stuff.
• 3204[20:04:59] <somiaj> host: I personally have few issues with the non-free nvidia drivers, though due to the drivers in stretch you should avoid the bleeding edge cards.
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• 3206[20:05:35] <wpostma> I have owned 5 nvidia cards, and in all of them, the nouveau stuff barely works, and the proprietary stuff works until you upgrade to that magic point where it breaks AGAIN and Again.
• 3207[20:05:40] <host> I prefer AMD, the MESA drivers are good, but heard if you are trying to do pro stuff, like video editing, you need the drivers
• 3208[20:06:03] <wpostma> never tried to video edit on Linux. If you get it working, document it on a blog post. :-)
• 3209[20:06:14] <TomTheDragon> fglrx is absolutely necessary for OpenCL, IIRC
• 3210[20:06:41] <somiaj> and fglrx doesn't exist anymore. I hear there are ways to install the amdpro driver in debian.
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• 3212[20:06:46] <somiaj> but that only works on newer cards.
• 3213[20:06:55] <TomTheDragon> Anyway... does anyone have any insight in how I could rebuild stretch for older architectures?
• 3214[20:07:03] <erjicirc> host: I am already a masochist by trying to edit video on Linux -- are you Bryan Lunduke? :p (if not, he has done videos on doing video in Linux, I think)
• 3215[20:07:10] <host> somiaj, Pfff, i tried to install amdpro many times, epic fail
• 3216[20:07:12] <wpostma> Sounds like a huge job @TomTheDragon
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• 3219[20:07:32] <somiaj> My limited experience is the nvidia non-free drivers are easier to deal with in debian, but the radeon/amdgpu driver in the kernel usually works better than nouveau.
• 3220[20:07:51] <wpostma> Why not switch to a router-oriented linux distro with security fixes done for you, for your old router. @TomTheDragon
• 3221[20:08:26] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: I'm kind of a masochist for trying to run full Linux distros on ancient boxes, though
• 3222[20:09:02] <wpostma> it would be educational, that's for sure.
• 3223[20:09:08] <host> ericnoan, Nah, I am just some guy whose adobe cc subscription ran out am am loking for cost effective solutions. I am trying to use Cinelerra and it is misery. Shotcut looks more promising though.
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• 3227[20:09:45] <erjicirc> host: okay : ) Lunduke might have tips, don't know for sure
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• 3229[20:10:12] <somiaj> TomTheDragon: how acient?
• 3230[20:10:22] <host> I tried kdenlive, and a few other editors. Cinelerra is supposed to be high-level, but it keeps royally lagging, and it is not a gpu issue
• 3231[20:10:25] <wpostma> i love debian on desktops but for a network router box, I personally lean towards BSDs.
• 3232[20:10:36] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: I may, however, be better off trying to stage Arch Linux
• 3233[20:11:01] <TomTheDragon> somiaj: Pentium I MMX
• 3234[20:11:08] <wpostma> that would be educational and kind of awesome. if you do it, lmk and I'll join the arch linux channel here on freenode to follow it.
• 3235[20:12:02] <wpostma> afaik, Pentium 1 is not vulnerable to spectre or meltdown, due to not having the netburst architecture (pentium pro and on)
• 3236[20:12:39] <host> Spectre, sounds like a terrible James Bond movie, oh wait
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• 3245[20:15:46] <somiaj> TomTheDragon: jessie shoudl be supported for some time by lts. (:
• 3246[20:15:49] <blackslide> I caved under pressure, I was going to build a NAS -kind of thing on raspberrypi, but also needed a new wifi AP
• 3247[20:15:59] <TomTheDragon> Gentoo is apparently a fairly trivial hack to get working, but I'd much rather prebuild all the binaries I can.
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• 3249[20:16:24] <blackslide> So I got a mid-priced atheros based wifi AP and installed LEDE on it
• 3250[20:16:44] <wpostma> that's what I would do too, blackslid
• 3251[20:16:47] <blackslide> Now, I've got a *nix router, wifi-ap and a NAS aöö on one
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• 3253[20:16:53] <blackslide> all..
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• 3255[20:17:15] <wpostma> wööt. :-)
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• 3258[20:18:07] <blackslide> it's TP-Link Archer C2600.. has been quite good. But not officially supported by LEDE, some semi-working OpenWRT only and a one man built LEDE system
• 3259[20:19:04] <blackslide> Trying to build a nice web interface so that it's easy to upload photos from android devices.. maybe even use auto syncing
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• 3277[20:25:17] <blackslide> but for that I'd need to figure out what the android system actually does when syncing stuff to google. So I could redirect it to my NAS
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• 3279[20:26:05] <blackslide> googling that gives android for dummies: how to sync to google -articles. wich don't give any in depth info.
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• 3282[20:26:33] <wpostma> i'd think your best bet would be to write your own android app to get it to sync to your local resources.
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• 3284[20:27:21] <wpostma> or use a third party photo app like the one "PhotoSync" in the google play store
• 3285[20:27:34] <blackslide> Yes, I've got android studio and all sorts of stuff bit have't gone in depth yet
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• 3287[20:27:51] <blackslide> But a native solution would be even better :D
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• 3290[20:28:13] <blackslide> hackindroid..
• 3291[20:28:13] <wpostma> simulating google would mean defeating their man-in-the-middle-attack prevention tech, which I'll bet is pretty hard to do.
• 3292[20:28:41] <wpostma> but that might be the sort of thing you do for fun. :-)
• 3293[20:29:11] <blackslide> Might be quite beyond my skillset, but still interesting fiddling
• 3294[20:29:23] <wpostma> that is the hacker way.
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• 3299[20:30:10] <blackslide> Basically it only needs a simple rsync string to run from time to time.
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• 3302[20:30:55] <wpostma> tried acrosync (app in google play store)?
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• 3305[20:31:28] <blackslide> nope, I'll have to see the current options through
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• 3307[20:32:11] <blackslide> mostly the issue is with the mrs..
• 3308[20:32:33] <blackslide> A solution that is automagic and all in the background would be best
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• 3312[20:33:06] <blackslide> but I assume, even if I do something myself, It'll require an app
• 3313[20:34:08] <blackslide> anohoo, back to debian.. I'm installing hurd on a VM :D
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• 3321[20:37:24] <wpostma> replaced-url
• 3322[20:37:55] <wpostma> and looky there, it's in there already. awesome.
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• 3324[20:38:24] <annadane> well, you're linking a script which uses sudo for use in debian stable which already has patches; not everyone wants to run scripts on the internet as root
• 3325[20:38:40] <wpostma> you shouldn't run the script.
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• 3327[20:38:48] <wpostma> but it is already packaged in debian, so the debian devs trust the package.
• 3328[20:39:02] <annadane> packaged under what name?
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• 3330[20:39:28] <wpostma> oh wait. it's not yet.
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• 3332[20:39:34] <wpostma> it's open as a task to be done.
• 3333[20:39:37] <wpostma> perhaps it's not trusted yet.
• 3334[20:40:20] <spiridon> hi everybody
• 3335[20:40:30] <wpostma> it's 982 line script. does not download anything.
• 3336[20:40:50] <spiridon> I have recently upgraded my kernel from 3.16.0-4 to 3.16.0-5
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• 3338[20:41:12] <wpostma> I am on debian stable (9) and it is not yet patched, as I ran the CVE POCs and they all work.
• 3339[20:41:20] <spiridon> and I have issues with some modules not loading
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• 3342[20:41:44] <spiridon> modprobe says: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert '8723be': Exec format error
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• 3344[20:41:51] <wpostma> @annadane - what linux kernel version is debian stable on that is patched?
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• 3346[20:42:19] <spiridon> and dmesg says: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
• 3347[20:42:22] <annadane> the latest; meltdown only, though
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• 3349[20:42:37] <blackslide> 4.9.0.4
• 3350[20:42:40] <wpostma> I am on linux 4.9.0-4-amd64 and it's not patched.
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• 3352[20:43:02] <wpostma> oh wait. only meltdown is patched?
• 3353[20:43:15] <annadane> yes
• 3354[20:43:16] <wpostma> there's no way to mitigate spectre in linux kernel yet, right?
• 3355[20:43:16] <annadane> replaced-url
• 3356[20:43:20] <annadane> correct
• 3357[20:43:26] <annadane> there are no currently known solutions for spectre
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• 3361[20:44:00] <wpostma> so when I ran the POC and it could not break KASLR, that proves that Meltdown vuln is patched, for my system.
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• 3363[20:44:11] <spiridon> what does it mean? is it trying to load modules from the previous version?
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• 3366[20:44:35] <spiridon> any hint?
• 3367[20:44:50] <wpostma> So that means that the script link I posted above did not actually detect that the Linux kernel is actually patched, and didn't provide much useful information.
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• 3370[20:46:23] <zerocool> hey guys, know anything about libvirt/qemu/kvm/virt-manager/nfs?
• 3371[20:46:39] <zerocool> i am having an issue creating an nfs storage pool from virt-manager
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• 3373[20:46:42] <wpostma> most of those, but not nfs.
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• 3378[20:47:31] <zerocool> from what i understand the virt-manager "storage pool" just mounts the nfs share if needed to access disks
• 3379[20:47:36] <zerocool> so, it shouldn't really be a nfs issue
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• 3382[20:49:00] <zerocool> but it is involved... when i try to create the pool it says "error creating pool: could not start sotrage pool: cannot open directory '/var/lib/libvirt/images/nfs': permission denied"
• 3383[20:49:19] <zerocool> it does create the directory 'nfs' under the images dir
• 3384[20:50:01] <blackslide> wpostma, what does uname -a say?
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• 3386[20:50:10] <zerocool> images is set g+s and kvm is the group, so it should have access
• 3387[20:50:54] <wpostma> Linux beastmode 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 3388[20:50:59] <zerocool> images looks like drwxrws--- root:kvm, when nfs is created, same permissions
• 3389[20:51:16] <blackslide> it is the newest then
• 3390[20:51:46] <wpostma> interesting. AFAIK, cpuinfo should show cpu insecure flag in the bugs line of /proc/cpuinfo
• 3391[20:51:56] <zerocool> so i think it has something to do with the act of mounting...
• 3392[20:52:03] <wpostma> cpu_insecure or something like that.
• 3393[20:52:30] <waydot> evening, did anyone ever set up local news?
• 3394[20:52:51] <waydot> specifically reading news directly from spool by a client without server running?
• 3395[20:52:57] <apollo13> wpostma: doesn't on stable, I get it on unstable though
• 3396[20:53:21] <wpostma> ok, so it's debian sid which currently has the security KPTI enabled?
• 3397[20:53:40] <apollo13> dunno, maybe they didn't backport that display part
• 3398[20:53:40] <zerocool> also, both the nfs server and this server map libvirt-qemu, libvirt, kvm properly between them
• 3399[20:54:06] <apollo13> wpostma: see replaced-url
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• 3402[20:54:25] <zerocool> oh wait i think i found it...
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• 3404[20:55:38] <wpostma> TX @appolo13 that was just the link I wanted.
• 3405[20:55:44] <zerocool> no i didn't
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• 3410[20:58:20] <wpostma> so was CVE-2017-5754 (meltdown) fix in Jessie (STABLE) done without KPTI kernel flag?
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• 3414[20:59:00] <wpostma> Because what I see here, is that Meltdown's core exploit (defeat KASLR) doesn't work on my box right now but the kernel does not have KPTI
• 3415[20:59:30] <wpostma> or if it does, it's not reporting that in /proc/cpuinfo
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• 3417[20:59:53] <wpostma> perhaps the debian kernel has its own side mitigations applied?
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• 3423[21:01:10] <blackslide> wpostma 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 is teh patched kernel?
• 3424[21:01:20] <blackslide> and you has deb9u1
• 3425[21:01:23] <blackslide> as do I
• 3426[21:01:32] <blackslide> And I thought that I patched it allready...
• 3427[21:01:40] <wpostma> according to the security-tracker url above, this CVE-2017-5754 (meltdown) is patched in latest stable Jessie.
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• 3429[21:02:08] <wpostma> But according to /proc/cpuinfo I don't have the KPTI related mitigations in my kernel.
• 3430[21:02:21] <blackslide> yes, if you have jessie, your kernel would be 3.16.51-3+deb8u1
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• 3434[21:02:44] <blackslide> with stretch it needs to be 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
• 3435[21:02:48] <blackslide> according to that website
• 3436[21:02:48] <wpostma> sorry, I should have said Stretch. I am on stretch.
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• 3440[21:03:17] <wpostma> gah. I'm on the latest stable. Jessie. Not enough coffee.
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• 3442[21:03:30] <wpostma> debian kernel 4.9.65
• 3443[21:03:34] <blackslide> latest stable is stretch isn't it?
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• 3445[21:03:46] <blackslide> kernel needs to be 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
• 3446[21:03:58] <blackslide> above you posted 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
• 3447[21:04:19] <blackslide> i've got the same.. so need to update again apparently
• 3448[21:04:20] <blackslide> :D
• 3449[21:04:33] <wpostma> oh I see.
• 3450[21:04:40] <somiaj> if you don't have the kenrnel meta-package installed, or used only apt-get upgrade to upgrade, you won't pull in the new abi kernel package.
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• 3455[21:05:43] <wpostma> oh I see. I need a dist-upgrade to get this?
• 3456[21:05:56] <blackslide> nooo
• 3457[21:05:58] <somiaj> with apt-get, apt and aptitude upgrade would work just fine.
• 3458[21:06:00] <zerocool> well so... as root i can mount the nfs share but then when i ls it... permission denied... even though the gid/uid's map and i am root
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• 3460[21:07:28] <blackslide> need to change something in the repos apparently
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• 3462[21:07:49] <blackslide> I'm not getting the kernel with apt update > upgrade, nor apt-get update > upgrade
• 3463[21:08:04] <wpostma> so the kernel meta packages I see are:
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• 3465[21:08:16] <annadane> try apt dist-upgrade
• 3466[21:08:17] <somiaj> blackslide: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list?
• 3467[21:08:18] <wpostma> linux-image-4.9.0-4... and linux-image-4.9.0-5...
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• 3469[21:08:32] <somiaj> blackslide: do you have the package linux-image-amd64 installed (the meta package)
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• 3472[21:09:09] <wpostma> I have the security.debian.org stretch sources in my sources.list
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• 3476[21:09:15] <somiaj> wpostma: those are not kernel metapackages, those are the kernels, the abi change caused the package name to change from linux-image-4.9.0-4-foo to linux-image-4.9.0-5-foo, the metapackage is just linux-image-foo which always points to the current package.
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• 3478[21:09:41] <somiaj> so if you want upgrades of kernels with abi changes to work, you need the linux-image-amd64 package installed.
• 3479[21:10:06] <wpostma> ok that was already installed.
• 3480[21:10:20] <blackslide> somiaj, yes, deb/deb-src main contrib non-free
• 3481[21:10:22] <zerocool> is there any reason root might not have access to nfs mounted directory... but regular user can, when each are a member of the same group
• 3482[21:10:29] <awal1> how can I force antiword to occupy the whole terminal window size?
• 3483[21:10:34] <somiaj> if you are still having trouble, output the following: apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64, and lets see what it sees.
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• 3485[21:10:57] <wpostma> nothing pinned.
• 3486[21:11:00] <somiaj> blackslide: and you have the package linux-image-amd64 installed. Can you share the output at paste.debian.net I asked for too.
• 3487[21:11:14] <blackslide> Ah, I had removed the metapackage
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• 3489[21:11:22] <blackslide> or prolly apt autoremove had..
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• 3491[21:11:50] <blackslide> But I tested the microcode
• 3492[21:11:54] <somiaj> yea you need the meta package to upgrade during abi changes, and apt-get upgrade won't install new packages. (though just use apt upgrade and you'll be fine)
• 3493[21:12:42] <blackslide> I prefer apt anyhow for some reason.. shorter to type
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• 3497[21:13:50] <blackslide> actually the new microcode at least while testing old vs new with sysbench, was maybe a sniff faster
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• 3499[21:14:04] <erjicirc> stupid question, out of curiosity: what is abi changes?
• 3500[21:14:10] <erjicirc> or "abi"
• 3501[21:14:13] <Sansar> Hello, can someone who is using testing/buster can tell me what files are inside the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/?
• 3502[21:14:15] <apollo13> application binary interface
• 3503[21:14:22] <erjicirc> thanks!
• 3504[21:14:25] <Sansar> I mistakenly deleted it and trying to figure out if I reinstalled correctly
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• 3506[21:14:39] <annadane> Sansar, you might have more luck on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3508[21:14:51] <annadane> most in #debian are likely using stable
• 3509[21:15:02] <Sansar> Oh, huh, sorry I though I joined debian-next channel
• 3510[21:15:03] <annadane> well, hang on, i use sid which should be the same
• 3511[21:15:03] <Sansar> my bad
• 3512[21:15:14] <apollo13> debian-archive-keyring
• 3513[21:15:17] <apollo13> at least
• 3514[21:15:31] <apollo13> and whatever you installed yourself might install something there
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• 3518[21:15:59] <Sansar> apollo13: I found inside the folder is only debian-archive .gpg files of jessie, stretch, wheezy but no buster. Trying to understand if this is normal or not.
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• 3520[21:16:17] <annadane> debian-archive-jessie-automatic.gpg debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg debian-archive-stretch-automatic.gpg debian-archive-wheezy-stable.gpg debian-archive-wheezy-automatic.gpg debian-archive-stretch-stable.gpg debian-archive-stretch-security-automatic.gpg
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• 3522[21:16:22] <zerocool> omggg, incase anyone read my issue and wants to know the answer... need to add no_root_squash to nfs export options from the nfs server
• 3523[21:16:32] <annadane> that's on sid
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• 3529[21:17:59] <Sansar> annadane: Thank you very much, I see the very same files (plus steam which I later installed) are there. Phew, finally learned that.
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• 3533[21:18:32] <annadane> need to kick this "go to #next!!!" for simple questions habit
• 3534[21:18:41] <annadane> sorry about that
• 3535[21:18:43] <awal1> Sansar, replaced-url
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• 3540[21:20:03] <mnuhmnuh> Sansar: replaced-url
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• 3542[21:20:08] <Sansar> Thank you for pasting, verified that they're all the same
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• 3544[21:20:14] <wpostma> so I did another apt upgrade and now I'm on 4.9.65-3 (2018-01-04). that's really really the latest stretch kernel.
• 3545[21:21:14] <wpostma> Now KPTI mitigation presence is detected.
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• 3547[21:21:52] <blackslide> zerocool, good job on fixing it, might run into something myself since I'm playing with virtualbox here also :)
• 3548[21:22:20] <blackslide> I've got all the vm's and their vhd's in my user folders so haven't had issues
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• 3552[21:22:58] <annadane> btw in future you can check with
• 3553[21:23:00] <annadane> ,v kernels
• 3554[21:23:02] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 3555[21:23:02] <annadane> oops
• 3556[21:23:04] <annadane> ,kernels
• 3557[21:23:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 3558[21:23:06] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
• 3559[21:23:13] <annadane> except /msg judd so you don't spam the channel like i just did :P
• 3560[21:23:27] <wpostma> tx that's a cool thing to know
• 3561[21:23:39] <mason> Hey, a question... I tried to reproduce a set-up I have running on Ubuntu 16.04 on Debian Stretch, but something odd is happening. I've got urxvt with what should be an identical font config, but the rendering is different and I'm not sure what to vary to get them to match up. On Debian the font is thin and a bit harder for me to read. I'm hoping for some ideas about what might be different.
• 3562[21:23:42] <annadane> just bear in mind that the kernels have different version numbers in debian compared to absolute kernel numbers
• 3563[21:23:52] <annadane> uname -a will reflect both
• 3564[21:24:12] <annadane> ,v urxvt
• 3565[21:24:13] <judd> No package named 'urxvt' was found in amd64.
• 3566[21:24:17] <wpostma> right the first one is the upstream kernel version (4.9.0)
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• 3568[21:24:25] <mason> rxvt-unicode, urxvt is the binary name
• 3569[21:24:32] <wpostma> and the second one is the debian 4.9.65 package numbering system
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• 3571[21:24:45] <mason> ,v rxvt-unicode
• 3572[21:24:46] <judd> Package: rxvt-unicode on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.15-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 9.15-2+deb7u1; jessie: 9.20-1+b1; stretch: 9.22-1+b1; buster: 9.22-3; sid: 9.22-3
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• 3575[21:25:08] <mason> 9.21-1build1 on Ubuntu
• 3576[21:26:10] <mason> But... FreeBSD ships 9.22 as well, and it looks the same on FreeBSD and Ubuntu. Debian is the odd man out.
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• 3582[21:28:19] <mnuhmnuh> ,v uxterm
• 3583[21:28:20] <judd> No package named 'uxterm' was found in amd64.
• 3584[21:28:39] <somiaj> uxterm is part of the xterm package
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• 3586[21:29:22] <mnuhmnuh> got it.
• 3587[21:29:25] <wpostma> so now that the KPTI mitigations are installed my baseline CPU usages are relatively unchanged (yay).
• 3588[21:30:08] <annadane> Linux debian 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.12-2 (2018-01-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux - notice both numbers
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• 3612[21:44:36] <mason> Anyway, I'll generate some screenshots illustrating the problem. That might help identify what's going on.
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• 3686[22:17:33] <Harm133> Hey guys. My ISP out of the blue closed outgoing port 25 connections. Not an immense stress but outgoing mail aint working atm. I kinda wanna set up a VPS to route the mail through, but can´t really find any guides how this would work. Any pointers?
• 3687[22:17:49] <apollo13> just change to another port?
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• 3689[22:18:12] <apollo13> ie most providers also provide a port for encrypted smtp
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• 3692[22:18:46] <Harm133> shouldve specified
• 3693[22:18:52] <Harm133> I run my own mailserver at home
• 3694[22:18:53] <Harm133> :3
• 3695[22:19:05] <apollo13> that is pretty much the worst thing you can do
• 3696[22:19:08] <Harm133> haha
• 3697[22:19:10] <Harm133> why is that
• 3698[22:19:25] <apollo13> because many servers block mails from residential ips
• 3699[22:19:31] <apollo13> also reverse dns records etc.
• 3700[22:19:36] <awal1> why do i get the whole system frozen when running qemu-img?
• 3701[22:19:51] <Harm133> haven´t ran into ANY problems with it whatsoever
• 3702[22:19:52] <mnuhmnuh> Harm133: your isp may have a specific port they want users to send to their smarthost smtp server. talk to 'em.
• 3703[22:20:17] <apollo13> Harm133: lucky you
• 3704[22:20:33] <Harm133> mnuhmnuh, Its a REALLY shitty ISP. Leaving as soon as I can, but for the time being I can´t contact them
• 3705[22:20:58] <Harm133> But coming back to the point... Any pointers for settings up a smtp smarthost?
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• 3707[22:21:18] <apollo13> what is wrong with the postfix documentation?
• 3708[22:21:20] <Harm133> I can just setup a VPS, fix the reverse dns etc over there. AND the ip is in an recognifzed block
• 3709[22:21:38] <apollo13> they have loads of examples
• 3710[22:22:13] <wpostma> Are you generating UCE ?
• 3711[22:22:18] <wpostma> (spam)
• 3712[22:22:27] <mnuhmnuh> mutt, msmtp, ...?
• 3713[22:22:28] <wpostma> ;-)
• 3714[22:22:57] <Harm133> wpostma, no, configured to only allow the domains I run to send thru it
• 3715[22:23:05] <Harm133> mnuhmnuh, Postfix
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• 3719[22:23:22] <wpostma> hmm. and you had no problem with port 25 until mid january 2018? your ISP must be deplorable.
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• 3721[22:23:59] <Harm133> wpostma, hence my earlier : ¨Its a REALLY shitty ISP¨
• 3722[22:24:12] <rant> so I just noticed upon installing stretch that on console it tab-completes interface names but it doesnt in mate terminal anyone know why?
• 3723[22:24:35] <wpostma> I think I'd be setting up a digital ocean droplet and running SMTP from there.
• 3724[22:25:21] <Harm133> wpostma, thats what I´m thinking, but I kinda wanna relay it from the server I have now.
• 3725[22:25:24] <wpostma> Set yourself up for legitness.
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• 3728[22:25:49] <wpostma> Most smart email servers will spam bin you if you don't.
• 3729[22:26:24] <mnuhmnuh> "your ISP must be deplorable" == "the peasants are revolting".
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• 3731[22:27:36] <wpostma> ok web browsing in debian with KPTI enabled (via latest stretch kernels) is definitely slower. Has anyone benchmarked general desktop and web tasks with KPTI on in the kernel?
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• 3734[22:28:36] <apollo13> shrug, I didn't not any diff
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• 3736[22:28:49] <apollo13> and I doubt the fixes are that much different for sid and stretch
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• 3739[22:29:12] <apollo13> that said, some people said that the firefox patches negatively affect twitter and facebook -- although no hard evidence either
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• 3742[22:30:19] <wpostma> I think I'm seeing an effect heavily related to firefox's userspace javascript mitigations
• 3743[22:30:34] <wpostma> But it's hard for me to figure out how to actually measure that.
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• 3746[22:31:12] <wpostma> I might try some benchmarks with local pages that load some javascript benchmarking tools.
• 3747[22:31:19] <apollo13> I somewhat doubt that disabling high performance timers and sharedarraybuffer should affect any sides
• 3748[22:31:37] <wpostma> Is that literally all they did?
• 3749[22:31:52] <apollo13> replaced-url
• 3750[22:32:04] <apollo13> s/sides/sites/
• 3751[22:32:54] <apollo13> afaik that is all as off now, also note that debian stable is most likely on a firefox esr where sharedarraybuffer was already off anyways
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• 3754[22:33:44] <wpostma> hm. debian firefox is 52.5
• 3755[22:33:52] <wpostma> here in stretch
• 3756[22:34:01] <apollo13> 52 is ESR
• 3757[22:34:27] <Boelensman1> heey, I'm a bit stuck with my debians network setup that won't work. It worked fine before I updated, but now most things don't work (curl/ssh etc). Weird thing is, I can still ping both to and from the machine
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• 3759[22:34:29] <wpostma> Ok so SharedArrayBuffer is already disabled in Firefox 52 ESR.
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• 3761[22:34:45] <Boelensman1> if there is a more specific debian help channel or w/e I'll join that one
• 3762[22:35:04] <wpostma> Boelensman1: ping by ip address works?
• 3763[22:35:06] <apollo13> Boelensman1: ping working but serious transfer broken usually is something around mtu problems
• 3764[22:35:16] <Boelensman1> yeah, I'm thinking of mtu as well
• 3765[22:35:23] <Boelensman1> but I've tried making it both higher and lower
• 3766[22:35:25] <apollo13> (or at least depending on what "don't work" means for you)
• 3767[22:35:30] <Boelensman1> and didn't seem to have any effect
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• 3769[22:35:37] <Boelensman1> for example, ping google.com works
• 3770[22:35:41] <Boelensman1> curl google.com hangs
• 3771[22:35:45] <apollo13> hangs where?
• 3772[22:35:50] <apollo13> name resolution, transfering data…
• 3773[22:36:06] <Boelensman1> eh, I think at waiting for a response or sending it
• 3774[22:36:10] <wpostma> curl with debig flag will tell you where it hangs
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• 3776[22:36:15] <wpostma> debug flag
• 3777[22:36:28] <apollo13> don't think, verify; also strace & wireshark give extra info
• 3778[22:36:41] <Boelensman1> I can't install those tools as apt doesn't work
• 3779[22:36:46] <Boelensman1> I could install on the host I guess
• 3780[22:36:49] <erjicirc> hmm, I read it as Boelensman1 had artwork problems.. :p (wouldn't that be nicer?)
• 3781[22:37:13] <Boelensman1> running curl -v stops after Accept
• 3782[22:37:15] <apollo13> Boelensman1: on the host? meaning what?
• 3783[22:37:18] <Boelensman1> so I think that's sending it
• 3784[22:37:20] <Boelensman1> it's a vm
• 3785[22:37:23] <apollo13> …
• 3786[22:37:25] <Boelensman1> that might be part of it too
• 3787[22:37:27] <wpostma> try curl -vv
• 3788[22:37:31] <apollo13> and you didn't think that would be good to know first :D
• 3789[22:37:31] <Boelensman1> yeah I was getting to that apollo13
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• 3791[22:37:40] <Boelensman1> :p
• 3792[22:37:52] <Boelensman1> no change wpostma
• 3793[22:38:01] <Boelensman1> it's a vm running on freebsd
• 3794[22:38:21] <Boelensman1> I do think it's the guest tho, seeing as how it worked fine before the update
• 3795[22:38:22] <wpostma> you might want to ask in the freebsd channel
• 3796[22:38:25] <Boelensman1> but it might not be
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• 3798[22:38:38] <Boelensman1> good idea, let me do it there too
• 3799[22:38:41] <wpostma> probably you broke your kernel or your userland netconf in your BSD during your upgrade
• 3800[22:38:43] <apollo13> freebsd as vm host?
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• 3803[22:39:03] <Boelensman1> yes apollo13
• 3804[22:39:08] <apollo13> that seems to be a weird choice and given all the problems I had with bsd as a vm, I wouldn't be to surprised
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• 3806[22:39:33] <wpostma> BSD updates often update your kernel and your userland, and could brick your whole VM, not rare for me to have that happen.
• 3807[22:39:56] <Boelensman1> I didn't update the bsd tho, only the guest
• 3808[22:40:02] <wpostma> could even be a bug in the network card driver in the bsd kernel
• 3809[22:40:06] <Boelensman1> wget -p google.com hangs at 'awaiting response'
• 3810[22:40:22] <wpostma> so you have a Debian VM guest in a BSD host?
• 3811[22:40:33] <Boelensman1> again, yes
• 3812[22:40:57] <wpostma> Ok. debian stretch?
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• 3814[22:41:38] <Boelensman1> not too sure actually wpostma not too familiar with the debian terms
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• 3816[22:41:40] <Boelensman1> its Debian 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 (2018-01-08)
• 3817[22:41:47] <Boelensman1> according to uname at least
• 3818[22:41:53] <wpostma> that looks like a kernel. uname -a full string please?
• 3819[22:42:03] <Boelensman1> Linux deluge 3.16.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 (2018-01-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3821[22:42:23] <Boelensman1> It probably is stretch
• 3822[22:42:32] <Boelensman1> as that's stable and I can't imagine I installed another version
• 3823[22:42:37] <wpostma> ok. so that's debian 8.x jessie, debian releases have Toy STory themed names.
• 3824[22:42:57] <wpostma> from the date (2018-01-18) it seems possible that upgrading to the latest kernel borked your VM networking.
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• 3826[22:43:13] <wpostma> do you have a bootloader (grub) menu when you start the vm?
• 3827[22:43:19] <Boelensman1> yes
• 3828[22:43:32] <wpostma> Try the prior kernel if it's still available from the grub boot menu. see if the networking works with that kernel.
• 3829[22:43:32] <Boelensman1> I can downgrade right? I haven't actually tried that
• 3830[22:43:55] <wpostma> Without downgrading, the old kernel is still available in /boot then you can use grub to boot it, and then, yes downgrade to remove the kernel that doesn't work.
• 3831[22:44:11] <cnrhkiyf> Hi, I can't start my systemd-timesyncd.service and so I can't sync my system time
• 3832[22:44:17] <awal1> how to switch to x Console (tty) in qemu vm?
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• 3834[22:44:24] <Boelensman1> ok, I'll try that wpostma
• 3835[22:44:45] <cnrhkiyf> It fails on boot
• 3836[22:44:54] <wpostma> I have never needed to configure MTU when using Debian as a guest with a VM-ethernet driver.
• 3837[22:44:55] <apollo13> awal1: dunno, but I'd try alt + f1 to f2 (ie without ctrl), that is what works on other hypervisors sometimes at least :D
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• 3839[22:45:15] <cnrhkiyf> "Failed to start Network Time Synchronization."
• 3840[22:46:06] <awal1> apollo13, perfect. it works (Alt+F*). Thanks
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• 3842[22:46:28] <awal1> bcoz virtualbox is Ctrl-Right+F*
• 3843[22:47:14] <wpostma> @cnrhkiyf : anything else in syslog that would explain it?
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• 3845[22:47:28] <apollo13> awal1: good to know, I didn't knew the vbox one :D
• 3846[22:47:43] <cnrhkiyf> do you mean dmesg?
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• 3848[22:47:54] <wpostma> or dmesg. /var/log/syslog
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• 3850[22:47:58] <wpostma> is what I meant.
• 3851[22:47:58] <apollo13> cnrhkiyf: no, he means the systemd journal ;)
• 3852[22:48:11] <wpostma> oh yeah. it's 2018. yes.
• 3853[22:48:33] <cnrhkiyf> journalctl ?
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• 3856[22:49:07] <wpostma> yeah. and on my system, I see system network time sync messages in /var/log/syslog
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• 3858[22:49:27] <cnrhkiyf> the first error is Cannot resolve user name systemd-timesync: No such process
• 3859[22:49:45] <cnrhkiyf> then Failed to start Network Time Synchronization.
• 3860[22:49:53] <cnrhkiyf> and this repeats 5 times
• 3861[22:49:57] <cnrhkiyf> until he gives up starting it
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• 3864[22:51:58] <cnrhkiyf> and there are no other errors I can tell so far to answer your question
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• 3866[22:53:37] <clumsy_boy> how can i make xrandr to change my display resolution display everytime i log in? i've tried modifying /etc/gdm3/Init/Default but doesn't work
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• 3882[23:00:30] <Boelensman1> wpostma I'm now running the old kernel, 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 3883[23:00:34] <Boelensman1> no change in the symptoms
• 3884[23:00:59] <Boelensman1> I've got an idea so I'll try that and get back to you
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• 3886[23:01:13] <Boelensman1> might take a while as for some reason it takes ages before this thing starts booting
• 3887[23:01:22] <Boelensman1> (it always has done that, so I don't think that's a symptom)
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• 3912[23:12:41] <Boelensman1> ok, I'm back to being all out of ideas wpostma, I tried disabling a network intensive service to see if maybe that helped
• 3913[23:12:43] <Boelensman1> but it did not
• 3914[23:13:19] <Boelensman1> btw, it looks like the request never times out
• 3915[23:13:23] <Boelensman1> at least not within a few minutes
• 3916[23:13:30] <Boelensman1> if I curl google.com
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• 3918[23:13:53] <Boelensman1> I can nc to the hosts ftp server
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• 3920[23:14:27] <Boelensman1> If I'm honest it really looks like an mtu problem
• 3921[23:14:52] <Boelensman1> but changing the mtu doesn't solve it so I guess it isn't
• 3922[23:14:59] <Boelensman1> but it's got all the symptoms
• 3923[23:15:25] <apollo13> it could as well be tcp offloading settings and whatnot
• 3924[23:15:34] <apollo13> tcpdump should provide some clues
• 3925[23:16:06] <Boelensman1> I'll be honest with you, networking is not my strongest field of knowledge
• 3926[23:16:20] <Boelensman1> so I'll look up the manual for tcpdump etc but it might take a bit
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• 3928[23:16:29] <wpostma> I haven't had a VM issue like this before. Wish I could think of what else to try.
• 3929[23:16:47] <Boelensman1> me too man, been stuck on this all day
• 3930[23:16:48] <wpostma> What type of ethernet adaptor is it?
• 3931[23:17:15] <Boelensman1> it's an intel chip on the host bridged to the vm
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• 3934[23:17:35] <Boelensman1> apperently tcpdump is not installed by default
• 3935[23:17:39] <Boelensman1> so eh, sorry
• 3936[23:17:43] <Boelensman1> can't do that
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• 3939[23:17:51] <wpostma> lspci shows what the driver is inside the vm
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• 3941[23:18:07] <wpostma> lspci -nk
• 3942[23:18:21] <Boelensman1> virtio-pci
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• 3944[23:18:40] <wpostma> ok those are pretty bulletproof. No further ideas from me.
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• 3948[23:19:05] <wpostma> just for fun you could try to add another ethernet card to the vm config and see if that one works.
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• 3950[23:19:52] <wpostma> it would show up as a second virtio-pci device.
• 3951[23:20:13] <wpostma> if that one works, drop the first one.
• 3952[23:20:26] <Boelensman1> hmm, I'll try that but rebooting takes ages so I'll wait a bit and try and think of something I can do before rebooting
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• 3954[23:20:42] <Boelensman1> extra info: have it configured to use a static ip
• 3955[23:20:48] <Boelensman1> as dhcp also didn't seem to work
• 3956[23:20:52] <wpostma> what is the virtualization type on your host bsd?
• 3957[23:21:08] <wpostma> virtualbox?
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• 3959[23:21:50] <Boelensman1> iohyve wpostma
• 3960[23:21:59] <Boelensman1> eh, that's a frontend for bhyve
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• 3962[23:22:48] <wpostma> can you add ethernet adaptor devices "hot" (no rebooting) with bhyve?
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• 3964[23:23:09] <Boelensman1> I have no idea, let me find out
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• 3966[23:23:12] <awal1> apt install spice-vdagent
• 3967[23:23:23] <awal1> excuses
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• 3974[23:26:26] <Boelensman1> looks like you can wpostma but not in the version that I have :s
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• 3976[23:26:55] <Boelensman1> wait no maybe you can, it's only iohyve that needs to be updated
• 3977[23:27:01] <Boelensman1> I can probably do it manually
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• 3990[23:32:32] <awal1> I was using virtualbox (+virtualbox-guest-X11 and virtualbox-guest-utils) just because of fullscreen mode for guest. Now I realized that 'spice-vdagent' provides the same feature under qemu-kvm :)
• 3991[23:32:45] <awal1> time to say bye for vbox :P
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• 3996[23:34:23] <awal1> i believe many gnu/linux users, as I have seen in forums, aren't aware about that, ending using virtualbox just bcoz of fullscreen
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• 4020[23:46:29] <waydot> awal1: you're talking about console?
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• 4026[23:47:53] <awal1> waydot, console?
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• 4031[23:50:03] <awal1> I was refering to have the guest in fullscreen mode
• 4032[23:50:29] <awal1> have the guest window occupy the whole screen
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• 4035[23:51:08] <awal1> I don't know how to get that for guest Console (tty's)
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• 4044[23:58:01] <muck> does using the vesa driver in xorg increase CPU usage?
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• 4046[23:58:28] <wpostma> probably, also decreases performance, if you could use a native driver (amd, or nvidia, etc)
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• 4049[23:59:07] <muck> unfortunately my card doesn't seem to be supported
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• 4052[23:59:15] <muck> either that or its a kernel-level issue
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• 4054[23:59:27] <wpostma> what kind of card?
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