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• 92[01:18:06] <shibboleth> anyone ever used vmware fusion (workstation for mac) on macos? it has this neat feature which will let you boot the physical windows/bootcamp installation as a vm while you're running macos
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• 94[01:18:48] <shibboleth> does something like this exist for linux?
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• 111[01:35:58] <jaesreswrkk> Hi
• 112[01:36:00] <jaesreswrkk> stupid question time.
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• 114[01:36:17] <jaesreswrkk> debian logs everything to journald right?
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• 119[01:39:23] <jmcnaught> jaesreswrkk: yes, journald is used. By default the journal is only in memory (not persistent on disk), and it also forwards all messages to syslog which still puts logs where it used to.
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• 121[01:40:31] <jaesreswrkk> jmcnaught, Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong.
• 122[01:40:42] <jaesreswrkk> I can uninstall syslog and replace it with logstack
• 123[01:40:46] <jaesreswrkk> I can uninstall syslog and replace it with logstash
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• 125[01:42:46] <jmcnaught> jaesreswrkk: you can remove rsyslog. I don't know logstash, but you can also make journald write to disk.
• 126[01:42:58] <jaesreswrkk> jmcnaught, ty. Logstack is part of the ELK stack
• 127[01:43:18] <jaesreswrkk> logstash does what journald does, but it shoves it to elasticsearch, then you can use kibana to model in real time
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• 129[01:45:38] <jaesreswrkk> jmcnaught, anywhere I can read more about debian logging
• 130[01:45:46] <jaesreswrkk> I know about the handbook but I'm not sure about it
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• 133[01:48:28] <jmcnaught> jaesreswrkk: All Debian packages have a directory in /usr/share/doc that often will have a README.Debian and other documentation. Other than that and man pages I'm not sure what else to recommend.
• 134[01:49:07] <jaesreswrkk> 10 years of using debian and I never knew that.
• 135[01:49:12] <jaesreswrkk> The /usr/share/doc
• 136[01:49:13] <jaesreswrkk> wow
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• 138[01:50:34] <jmcnaught> jaesreswrkk: sometimes it's just a copyright file, and sometimes the documentation will be separated into its own foo-doc package.
• 139[01:51:00] <jaesreswrkk> ty :)
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• 142[01:52:25] * annadane dies a little inside whenever i find a /usr/share/doc and there's no readme
• 143[01:52:53] <jaesreswrkk> That's like a IT horror story.
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• 157[02:12:44] <dd> i installed debian 10 and i get a 'failed to send firmware signature'. i put the correct intel firmware in /lib/firmware/intel/ any ideas?
• 158[02:13:29] <dd> it gets stuck there. i have to ctl+alt+f1
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• 160[02:15:14] <quadrathoch2> dd, what kind of firmware are you talking about?
• 161[02:15:30] <dd> intel bluetooth
• 162[02:15:41] <dd> ibt-19-32-4.sfi
• 163[02:16:13] <coruja> does it work when putting the firmware to /lib/firmware (without subdir)?
• 164[02:16:28] <dd> coruja: i havent tried that
• 165[02:16:38] <dd> is that proper?
• 166[02:16:51] <quadrathoch2> I assume it should be in intel, at least that's what the firmware-iwlwifi package does
• 167[02:17:01] <coruja> that's where firmware in debian usually sits
• 168[02:17:09] <dd> i have iwlwifi installed
• 169[02:17:33] <quadrathoch2> dd, did you test the iwlwifi package from sid dd? as I assume you got the firmware from somewhere else
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• 171[02:17:55] <coruja> i'm not sure, it's just what my experience and the debian wiki says, maybe worth a try
• 172[02:18:02] <dd> quadrathoch2: thanks for reminding me about backports
• 173[02:18:12] <dd> ill try that
• 174[02:18:45] <quadrathoch2> dd, the sid version has /lib/firmware/intel/ibt-19-32-1.sfi
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• 176[02:19:01] <dd> 19-32-4.sfi?
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• 179[02:19:33] <coruja> ok, then forget my suggestion ;)
• 180[02:20:19] <dd> coruja: ill keep it it mind thanks
• 181[02:20:23] <quadrathoch2> dd, oh does it need to be the -4?
• 182[02:20:30] <dd> yes
• 183[02:20:34] <quadrathoch2> i thought it's just a smaller version number
• 184[02:21:29] <dd> anyway its preventing me from booting up. can i do something about that quadrathoch2 ?
• 185[02:22:47] <quadrathoch2> dd, the fast way would be to blacklist maybe the driver so it doesn't try to claim the hw
• 186[02:22:56] <quadrathoch2> but not 100% sure if it would work
• 187[02:23:10] <quadrathoch2> as I never had that issue that you couldn't boot without firmware
• 188[02:23:22] <dd> okay ill try that to
• 189[02:24:01] <dd> im no expert but it just hangs after the message about failed to load firmware signature
• 190[02:24:56] <dd> quadrathoch2: thanks for your help im gonna blacklist now
• 191[02:25:17] <quadrathoch2> dd, hopefully it will work :)
• 192[02:26:49] <dd> no i reboot and i get a cursor in top left corner. nio message
• 193[02:27:21] <dd> maybe i could disable bluetooth service
• 194[02:30:14] <quadrathoch2> dd which card do you have?
• 195[02:30:44] <dd> i dont actually know i assumed it was intel because of the message
• 196[02:31:38] <quadrathoch2> can you get into a tty? and see if it's really an intel issue?
• 197[02:34:07] <dd> yes i can tty
• 198[02:34:22] <dd> id did hciconfig which shows nothing
• 199[02:35:33] <dd> its not in lsusb either
• 200[02:35:59] <quadrathoch2> lspci probably?
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• 202[02:36:26] <quadrathoch2> if not maybe look in dmesg directly
• 203[02:36:59] <dd> i did dmesg | grep bluetooth
• 204[02:37:06] <quadrathoch2> and
• 205[02:37:07] <quadrathoch2> ?
• 206[02:38:04] <dd> it doesnt show brand or aything
• 207[02:38:32] <dd> i never had this problem before with installing linux. its a new laptop i am installing on
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• 209[02:40:19] <dd> it has to be intel
• 210[02:40:37] <dd> has intel wifi + bluetooth 5.0
• 211[02:41:47] <quadrathoch2> hm which laptop do you use/
• 212[02:41:48] <quadrathoch2> ?
• 213[02:42:01] <dd> its a new hp i5
• 214[02:42:12] <dd> laptop
• 215[02:42:45] <quadrathoch2> well that doesn't tell me anything :p
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• 217[02:43:03] <quadrathoch2> 'yo i got that new car with a 4 cylinder motor' xD
• 218[02:43:35] <dd> sorry im getting miffed
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• 220[02:43:52] <quadrathoch2> no problem :) just trying to help, and throw in some bad jokes :3
• 221[02:44:18] <BabaluAye> so how do I use sensible browser or update alternative to change the default browser?
• 222[02:44:19] <dd> i appreciate your help man
• 223[02:44:47] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, which gui are you using?
• 224[02:45:07] <quadrathoch2> dd :) everybody 'brakes' at some point :3
• 225[02:45:08] <BabaluAye> xfce
• 226[02:45:22] <dd> true that
• 227[02:45:28] <BabaluAye> but I can't use any gui tools to change anything
• 228[02:45:30] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, it should be under system settings -> default applications or sth
• 229[02:45:39] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, how come?
• 230[02:45:47] <BabaluAye> quadrathoch2: cause it's the qubes version
• 231[02:46:11] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, as in QubesOS?
• 232[02:46:11] <BabaluAye> of debian 10
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• 234[02:46:22] <BabaluAye> quadrathoch2: yes
• 235[02:46:53] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, I think then you would need to ask them
• 236[02:47:19] <BabaluAye> quadrathoch2: well thats why I specifically asked for non gui method
• 237[02:47:40] <BabaluAye> think I used some mime command last night
• 238[02:47:48] <quadrathoch2> hm, i think there is a file in /usr/share/applications
• 239[02:47:55] <quadrathoch2> give me a sec
• 240[02:47:59] <BabaluAye> xdg
• 241[02:48:18] <quadrathoch2> yup BabaluAye
• 242[02:49:03] <BabaluAye> xdg-mime default /usr/bin/qutebrowser.desktop x-scheme-handler/https ?
• 243[02:49:47] <quadrathoch2> BabaluAye, sorry can't help you too much as I never needed to do sth like that
• 244[02:50:31] <BabaluAye> sigh
• 245[02:50:52] <coruja> !update-alternatives
• 246[02:50:52] <dpkg> update-alternatives is a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the Debian <alternatives> system. The galternatives package provides a graphical front-end.
• 247[02:51:20] <dd> quadrathoch2: i have the intel firmware but it has different permissions than the other .sfi files in that folder
• 248[02:51:31] <BabaluAye> coruja: and so ?
• 249[02:52:27] <coruja> BabaluAye, see 'man update-alternatives'
• 250[02:52:44] <BabaluAye> coruja: yes, i'm aware of the man system
• 251[02:52:47] <BabaluAye> sigh
• 252[02:53:11] <quadrathoch2> dd, did you test it out if you put the right permissions on those files?
• 253[02:53:26] <coruja> BabaluAye, in short, for default browser run 'update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
• 254[02:53:51] <BabaluAye> ty
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• 256[02:54:14] <coruja> BabaluAye, but next time, you read yourself ;)
• 257[02:54:23] <BabaluAye> dude i would if i could
• 258[02:54:31] <dd> i changed permissions that didnt help
• 259[02:56:25] <BabaluAye> coruja: doesn't actual work
• 260[02:56:31] <BabaluAye> actually
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• 264[02:58:48] <BabaluAye> coruja: any other ideas?
• 265[02:58:54] <coruja> BabaluAye, what does 'doesn't work' mean?
• 266[02:59:43] <BabaluAye> what is manual vs. auto mode
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• 269[03:00:28] <BabaluAye> Each link group is, at any given time, in one of two modes: automatic or manual. When a group
• 270[03:00:28] <BabaluAye> is in automatic mode, the alternatives system will automatically decide, as packages are
• 271[03:00:28] <BabaluAye> installed and removed,
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• 273[03:00:42] <BabaluAye> I know its English but
• 274[03:01:42] <BabaluAye> or am I supposed to change the priority or something ? * 3 /usr/bin/qutebrowser 40 manual mode
• 275[03:01:48] <BabaluAye> firefox is 70
• 276[03:01:53] <phogg> you run --config, you choose the alternative you want
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• 278[03:02:19] <BabaluAye> phogg: yes i have done that you see the '*"
• 279[03:02:34] <phogg> so what's the question?
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• 281[03:03:52] <BabaluAye> coruja: in xterm i type replaced-url
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• 284[03:06:32] <coruja> BabaluAye, the problem is that not all application use the debian alternatives system, sometimes you need to set the default browser to x-replaced-url
• 285[03:06:56] <phogg> since when has xterm supported clickable links?
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• 288[03:08:35] <BabaluAye> coruja: so nothing to do with auto vs. manual nor priority numbers?
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• 291[03:09:57] <coruja> BabaluAye, as you said you set x-replaced-url
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• 293[03:10:16] <BabaluAye> maybe one overrides the other xdg vs x-replaced-url
• 294[03:10:24] <coruja> you can prove by running 'x-replaced-url
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• 297[03:10:58] <BabaluAye> ya maybe am testing it incorrectly?
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• 299[03:13:10] <coruja> BabaluAye, concerning xdg-meme, mind also x-scheme-handler/http
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• 301[03:13:50] <coruja> BabaluAye, so which browser is started when running 'x-replaced-url
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• 303[03:14:22] <BabaluAye> tried it librewriter to, doesn't 'work'
• 304[03:15:09] <BabaluAye> coruja: the correct one qbrowser
• 305[03:16:17] <BabaluAye> coruja: yes I set http and https no change
• 306[03:16:22] <coruja> BabaluAye, so you should make applications which still refuse run x-replaced-url
• 307[03:16:55] <coruja> (which may differ application-wise, sorry to say so)
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• 310[03:17:56] <BabaluAye> coruja: well wouldn't be 1st time , debian was debian thx anyway
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• 318[03:22:07] <coruja> BabaluAye, 'gio mime x-scheme-handler/http <browser>.desktop' may be a solution for some applications (hexchat e.g.)
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• 322[03:25:59] <BabaluAye> lol now no browser at all opens
• 323[03:26:30] <BabaluAye> hmm take that back seems to work atm
• 324[03:26:31] <nvz> yes well the <browser> wasnt literal
• 325[03:26:41] <BabaluAye> nvz: i know
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• 327[03:27:59] <BabaluAye> firefox seems set up to grab default status when it starts, the check for default is greyed out, had to go into about:config
• 328[03:28:28] <nvz> I've had issues with this as well, as I was working on a project I haven't touched in a while now.. I'm still interested in it, I'm just not a very good coder and didnt get any help :P My idea was to make a handler for links.. that allowed the user more control on matching different links and handling them different ways
• 329[03:28:52] <nvz> my shitty original proof of concept code, that works, would sometimes break due to issues like you're having
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• 331[03:29:32] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 333[03:31:14] <BabaluAye> ya, am thinking coruja's gio invoke fixes it
• 334[03:31:57] <nvz> personally I think the ideas I was toying with are the end-all solution.. links need to be treated more individually and not just on a protocol basis
• 335[03:32:28] <nvz> there needs to be a system that examines a link based on things like domain, mime type of the content, etc..
• 336[03:32:43] <nvz> and can have rules to handle them differently
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• 338[03:33:07] <coruja> for most users, opening links from different applications with the same browser would be success enough ;)
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• 340[03:34:51] <coruja> most major desktop environments have some config option to manage this but there may be still some not obeying the set default
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• 350[03:40:15] <nvz> idk, the number of sites I dont ever wanna see again is growing.. pretty much every time I visit a site.. heh.. so.. yeah..
• 351[03:40:32] <nvz> there are far better ways to view most content than the way the web developer intended it
• 352[03:41:15] <nvz> and there are browser plugins to match urls based on regex, to modify pages/layouts/etc like greasemonkey..
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• 355[03:42:47] <nvz> but until those sorts of things are standard... outside the browser.. or we kill a few million web developers.. we're never gonna be free from the crapfest that is the web today
• 356[03:43:06] <nvz> however I digress..
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• 358[03:43:29] <dvs> That's what you get for 30 years of cruft.
• 359[03:43:29] <BalooRJ> Think I may have asked this here before but need some info again
• 360[03:43:41] <BalooRJ> Trying to connect a BLUEGATE Wireless AD2P Bluetooth Dongle in Debian
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• 362[03:43:57] <BalooRJ> I downloaded the firmware-realtek package, Bluetooth in general works fine but I can't get this device to show up in Bluetooth Manager
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• 368[03:54:49] <omenius> I installed debian only checking the "xfce" from installer, but the OS has things like libreoffice installed. How can I install just debian and xfce?
• 369[03:55:38] <annadane> you should be able to remove libreoffice from an existing system without it removing half the desktop (as is sometimes the case with large metapackages)
• 370[03:55:59] <annadane> but, what you'd generally do is select only standard system utilities, install it like that, then install xorg and xfce4
• 371[03:56:15] <omenius> got it, thanks
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• 383[04:17:41] <BabaluAye> is mpv free-er than vlc or so, i'm seeing it referenced
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• 385[04:18:15] <annadane> idk, but they're both in main
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• 422[05:06:21] * nvz wouldn't compare mpv and vlc
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• 424[05:06:46] <dvs> !start a video player war
• 425[05:06:46] <dpkg> xine is so dreamy!
• 426[05:06:59] <dvs> ???
• 427[05:07:20] <annadane> mpv is quite a bit more responsive
• 428[05:07:32] * nvz uses mplayer and vlc
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• 431[05:11:34] <dd> why does testing not have multiarch-support?
• 432[05:11:51] <annadane> does it not? O_o
• 433[05:12:00] <annadane> regardless, you probably want #debian-next on oftc
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• 438[05:20:10] <Deihmos> invite only channel
• 439[05:20:36] <nvz> Deihmos: _on_ OFTC
• 440[05:20:51] <nvz> which is a different network... irc.oftc.net or irc.debian.org
• 441[05:21:34] <joze> do you have to obtain a different mindsent on the different network?
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• 444[05:21:42] <joze> *mindset
• 445[05:21:59] <Deihmos> oh missed that
• 446[05:22:07] <nvz> yes, you have to obtain the mindset of a space monkey.. :P
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• 448[05:22:17] <nvz> a chimstronaut if you will..
• 449[05:22:48] <annadane> yes it's very important on oftc #debian to say hi and then leave in 10 seconds before asking a question
• 450[05:22:56] <nvz> heh
• 451[05:23:20] <nvz> yeah most of the time I look in there I see something I have an answer for, but they're gone
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• 453[05:24:40] <omenius> i'm doing crypted volumes with installer. I already wrote random data to disk, but had to start install process again. Do I need to write random data second time?
• 454[05:24:40] <mason> annadane: Better still is to ask the question and then immediately leave.
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• 456[05:25:14] <mason> omenius: Any encrypted data you wrote ought to look random already.
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• 459[05:26:40] <nvz> they should make that optional.. cause the rationale behind writing random data is not only pretty stupid in practice, but more so now.. with disks like SSD that have a lifespan based on crap like that
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• 462[05:28:07] <jmcnaught> omenius: I don't think you need to do it again. If you cancel it will just continue with the rest of the process creating the encrypted volume.
• 463[05:28:25] <omenius> yup it's weird that it does not ask when you can just skip it by cancelling
• 464[05:28:36] <omenius> yeah, thanks for help erryone
• 465[05:28:51] <mason> Eh? Is this a new-age installer? The traditional installer has it as an option when you create an encrypted device.
• 466[05:29:07] <nvz> if someone is examining your drive in the manner that random data would obscure anything.. you probably got bigger problems
• 467[05:29:12] <mason> ...in the non-expert install even.
• 468[05:29:20] <omenius> I'm using the gui installer
• 469[05:29:28] <mason> Ah, I've never used that.
• 470[05:29:38] <mason> omenius: The text installer is very nice. Worth a try sometime.
• 471[05:30:57] <annadane> ye find yourself in yon installer. possible exits are north, south, and dennis
• 472[05:31:15] <mason> open mailbox
• 473[05:33:13] <mason> annadane: That's remarkably local, thinking about it.
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• 521[06:47:41] <SerajewelKS> what determines what I/O schedulers are available?
• 522[06:48:35] <SerajewelKS> on one system, the sda scheduler output is "[mq-deadline] none"
• 523[06:49:06] <SerajewelKS> i'm used to seeing a lot more options there and i'm curious what controls their availability. i can't find any information on this anywhere.
• 524[06:52:07] <somiaj> It depends on the ones built with the kernel.
• 525[06:52:18] <somiaj> check /boot/config-kernel-version
• 526[06:53:22] <SerajewelKS> this is the stock debian kernel
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• 528[06:53:41] <somiaj> yea, they all seem there, wonder if you have to manually load the alternative ones (they are modules)
• 529[06:53:52] <SerajewelKS> in particular, i would like to select noop but don't seem to be able to ("invalid argument")
• 530[06:54:03] <SerajewelKS> the kernel config has CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y
• 531[06:54:07] <somiaj> CONFIG_IOSCHED_BFQ=m -- I don't know them that well
• 532[06:55:20] <SerajewelKS> hmm it looks like this isn't supported for virtio disks. that's interesting that mq-deadline is supported while noop isn't.
• 533[06:55:38] <SerajewelKS> i would expect it to be the other way around. i want the host kernel to worry about scheduling, not the guests.
• 534[06:56:49] <SerajewelKS> maybe "none" would be the appropriate scheduler?
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• 541[07:05:30] <nevyn> none is correct for vm's
• 542[07:05:40] <nevyn> get the write to the hypervisor let it worry about it
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• 544[07:05:50] <SerajewelKS> that's what i figured
• 545[07:06:12] <SerajewelKS> there isn't any configuration to make that the default aside from echoing node > the sys node from rc.local :/
• 546[07:06:18] <SerajewelKS> not with mq devices anyway
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• 548[07:06:36] <SerajewelKS> "none" not "node"
• 549[07:07:58] <nevyn> you should be abler to do it via sysctl but it's essentially the same thing
• 550[07:09:13] <jmcnaught> there's also sysctl.d(5)
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• 556[07:16:59] <SerajewelKS> sysctl had no effect
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• 558[07:17:59] <SerajewelKS> i added "block.sda.queue.scheduler = none" and upon reboot it had swiched back to mq-deadline
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• 572[07:31:33] <warsoul> is this source.list ok? replaced-url
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• 575[07:37:32] <SerajewelKS> it looks fine, why do you ask?
• 576[07:38:11] <warsoul> i just did a fresh install
• 577[07:38:19] <warsoul> just want to make sure
• 578[07:38:20] <SerajewelKS> looks like a pretty standard sources.list i'd expect to see after a fresh install, but with non-free+contrib and backports added
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• 603[08:27:13] <omenius> "Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default."
• 604[08:27:23] <omenius> but "ntf command not found" and iptables is working fine
• 605[08:28:01] <omenius> oh it's nft :D
• 606[08:28:45] <omenius> still not found. Shall I just use iptables?
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• 635[09:04:06] <netvixtra> omenius: what about ferm?
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• 638[09:09:05] <omenius> haven't tried, but seems very useful
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• 681[09:57:59] <Hash> Hi. I accidentally ran tasksel and isntalled some tasks on a wrong machine. Is there a good way to reverse this?
• 682[09:59:26] <ansimita> Hash: tasksel remove <task> # replaced-url
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• 686[10:01:39] <Hash> I can expect it to remove all the packages intalled including depends, recommends, suggests, etc?
• 687[10:02:19] <Hash> AFAI understand it should remove all the packages installed that were in --task-packages task
• 688[10:02:25] <Hash> in each of the tasks.
• 689[10:02:41] <ansimita> Hash: I'd double check after with `apt-get autoremove`.
• 690[10:02:49] <Hash> I see
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• 693[10:05:02] <EdePopede> ,file bin/nft*
• 694[10:05:07] <judd> Search for bin/nft* in buster/amd64: nfdump: usr/bin/nftrack; nftables: usr/sbin/nft; mtd-utils: usr/sbin/nftl_format, usr/sbin/nftldump; nftlb: usr/sbin/nftlb
• 695[10:05:08] <EdePopede> !buster su
• 696[10:05:09] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 697[10:05:26] <Hash> I keep getting 'apt-get failed (100)'
• 698[10:05:37] <EdePopede> omenius --^
• 699[10:05:42] <Hash> tasksel: apt-get failed (100)
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• 702[10:12:10] <ansimita> Hash: Generally speaking, error code 100 is for ENETDOWN: Network is down
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• 716[10:47:21] <jim> Hi.. is there a way to save all the alsamixer settings so that they would get restored on boot, or on login?
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• 721[10:54:27] <EdePopede> jim: i could imagine amixer could do this.
• 722[10:54:30] <petn-randall> jim: `alsactl store/restore` does this, but IIRC you system should be doing that already.
• 723[10:54:35] <petn-randall> *your
• 724[10:54:58] <petn-randall> Or, at least, pulseaudio should be setting those.
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• 727[10:56:31] <jim> petn-randall, it does, I'm sure, but it got a couple settings "wrong" (==inconvenient for me), so I want to set them differently, and save
• 728[10:56:55] <jim> EdePopede, thanks for the idea
• 729[10:57:11] <EdePopede> sounds is odd. while main voluke is 80% in PA it is 75% in alsamixer
• 730[10:57:21] <EdePopede> meh. volume.
• 731[10:57:53] <jim> one more dimension than area
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• 733[10:58:59] <EdePopede> yeah. sound has volume, objects have volume, books have even volumes. and all of them different.
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• 735[10:59:23] <EdePopede> take this, mr. clemens.
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• 738[11:00:21] <EdePopede> i still can't get the paralleles between alsamixer and PA volume control.
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• 740[11:02:13] <EdePopede> all i know is that i don't have a soundcard, only some chip somewhere on the board. still alsa offers an ATI SB (soundblaster?) and some NVidia (but that's my graphics card?). and Pulse a GF 108 and built-in audio.
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• 743[11:05:35] <EdePopede> actually 3 in alsa. the default is pulse audio.
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• 764[11:17:52] <flayer> i have so many sound outputs i've got no idea where they're all coming from
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• 778[11:25:29] <EdePopede> seens there's also something digital, i didn't check all the jacks at the back of the pc even in years. sometimes PA would switch to digital output though i never ever had used it. i don't even own digital equipment.
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• 780[11:26:18] <EdePopede> i think it happens while the speakers aren't connected and it restarts, i've seen some entries in some log. and digital seems to be the default choice for it.
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• 814[12:03:20] <jim> petn-randall, hmm... makes sense alsactl store could work... didn't work: I adjusted alsamixer settings, did alsactl store (no comment from that program), reboot, alsamixer, settings were different from after I adjusted them
• 815[12:03:46] <jim> specifically...
• 816[12:04:06] <jim> the speaker output was muted and also potted all the way down
• 817[12:04:35] <jim> and a couple other settings were different
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• 819[12:06:44] <grammoboy> netinstall debian testing, can't install bootloader, probably a UEFI thing?
• 820[12:06:57] <grammoboy> so my fresh install doesn't boot
• 821[12:07:08] <jim> what does it say?
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• 824[12:07:37] <jim> is there a reason it specifies for not being able to install boot loader?
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• 826[12:08:19] <jim> and btw, what are you using to irc to here?
• 827[12:08:23] <grammoboy> If I boot the thinkpad t420 laptop now, I get a blue Boot Menu
• 828[12:08:49] <jim> anything on that menu?
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• 830[12:09:14] <grammoboy> ubuntu and ATA HDD0: Kingston ...
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• 833[12:09:33] <grammoboy> ubuntu is from the former install I guess, which is overwritten by debian
• 834[12:09:49] <jim> so it doesn't boot either?
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• 838[12:10:19] <grammoboy> no
• 839[12:10:26] <grammoboy> system BIOS shadowed
• 840[12:10:32] <grammoboy> Video BIOS shadowed
• 841[12:10:42] <grammoboy> Bios version: 83ET...
• 842[12:11:14] <grammoboy> that's the Diagnostic Splash Screen
• 843[12:11:29] <jim> so you must be using a different machine to irc here/
• 844[12:11:30] <jim> ?
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• 846[12:11:36] <grammoboy> yes
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• 849[12:12:29] <jim> ok... go into the bios settings, see if secure boot is on
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• 855[12:14:33] <jim> my laptop also has a setting for whether to boot in legacy (mbr or boot sector) mode, or to boot uefi
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• 857[12:15:54] <grammoboy> mine too
• 858[12:16:00] <grammoboy> both is the setting atm
• 859[12:16:08] <grammoboy> UEFI first
• 860[12:16:36] <jim> ok, does your hd have an ESP?
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• 862[12:17:12] <grammoboy> no
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• 864[12:17:39] <grammoboy> I skipped it, which was wrong choice apperently
• 865[12:17:39] <jim> ok, that's probably the issue... how large is the hd?
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• 867[12:18:02] <grammoboy> +- 300gb
• 868[12:18:11] <jim> do you have any unpartitioned space on it?
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• 870[12:18:37] <grammoboy> no,but I could rm one
• 871[12:18:46] <jim> how many OSes do you plan on booting?
• 872[12:18:54] <jim> just the one?
• 873[12:19:01] <grammoboy> one
• 874[12:19:25] <grammoboy> so next time, set BIOS to legacy only, right?
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• 878[12:20:25] <grammoboy> can't I do it now, and do install the bootloader for 'legacy' now?
• 879[12:21:07] <jim> well how do you want to boot?
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• 881[12:21:29] <jim> "any way it can"? :)
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• 883[12:22:09] <grammoboy> not using uefi :)
• 884[12:22:19] <grammoboy> no, I've little clue, but uefi sounds bad
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• 893[12:24:15] <jim> oh, ok... so, I dunno how to reason about why your system isn't booting
• 894[12:24:38] <jim> and why it's not installing the boot loader at the end of the install
• 895[12:25:12] <jim> if there was no message from the installer, there's no information
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• 897[12:25:46] <jim> you might try the uefi boot, to see if that works
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• 901[12:31:33] <grammoboy> thx will rethink the situation, maybe just reinstall with legacy only
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• 905[12:33:59] <EdePopede> i'm not even sure how i've set up my lenovo thinkcentre. all i remember i didn't understand what all the settings were for and there were a few
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• 907[12:34:29] <EdePopede> and that i have to boot from a live stick in uefi mode and add an extra entry into grub menu including the UUID
• 908[12:35:57] <EdePopede> definitely it was not just like deciding beween uefi and bios. select, reboot, works. nope.
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• 968[13:25:57] <petn-randall> jim: Did you run `alsactl restore`? Because that restores it.
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• 979[13:40:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> is mlocate or locate better?
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• 995[13:54:59] <stompykins> hi
• 996[13:55:03] <stompykins> someone give me a problem
• 997[13:55:04] <stompykins> i want to help
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• 1000[13:56:37] <stompykins> >:|
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• 1005[13:59:04] <ham5urg> I try to copy files from a Windows-Server2012 via smbget within a bash and I try to use smbclient to check the network-share. All I get is
• 1006[13:59:07] <ham5urg> do_connect: Connection to 192.168.178.23 failed (Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT)
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• 1008[13:59:29] <stompykins> is samba properly configured on your windows share
• 1009[13:59:32] <ham5urg> If I mount the share via gio (gnome) it works well
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• 1011[13:59:44] <stompykins> theres always uh, sshfs
• 1012[13:59:54] <ham5urg> stompykins, I just installed samba-tools and tried smbget
• 1013[13:59:57] <stompykins> if you have sshd on your windows machine ofc
• 1014[14:00:09] <stompykins> ive never had much luck with samba
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• 1016[14:00:16] <stompykins> i always end up using something else
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• 1018[14:00:57] <stompykins> id think it would be easier now with wsl
• 1019[14:00:58] <ham5urg> stompykins, you mean I should install ssh onto the windows machine and copy via scp?
• 1020[14:00:58] <jim> petn-randall, hi, sorry for delay, irl stuff came up... I did not run alsactl restore, as I expected that to happen at boot or login
• 1021[14:01:07] <stompykins> just install sshd on that and run it
• 1022[14:01:11] <stompykins> well an sftp client ham5urg
• 1023[14:01:17] <stompykins> or you could fix samba
• 1024[14:01:25] <ham5urg> I understand
• 1025[14:01:25] <jim> petn-randall, but let me try that now after rebooting to see what happens
• 1026[14:01:29] * stompykins thinks you should fix samba
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• 1029[14:01:59] <ham5urg> Gio works well, smbget not.
• 1030[14:02:10] <stompykins> ham5urg: you should describe your problem in #samba
• 1031[14:02:23] <ham5urg> I tried, but never got an answer.
• 1032[14:02:26] <stompykins> aw
• 1033[14:02:34] <stompykins> it happens
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• 1035[14:02:39] <ham5urg> Yeah
• 1036[14:02:49] <stompykins> well in the mean time if you just wanna grab some files off of it sshd would work well
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• 1038[14:03:06] <ham5urg> I would like to do an rsync ones a night
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• 1040[14:03:24] <ham5urg> To put some debian machine into work until then
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• 1042[14:03:57] <stompykins> its better to just assimilate windows machines
• 1043[14:04:03] <stompykins> wipe the whole drive and debian them
• 1044[14:04:13] <stompykins> or any gnu/linux really
• 1045[14:04:36] <ham5urg> I will put a debian aside and ones all works pull the plug off the win machine
• 1046[14:04:37] <stompykins> i have a copy of dyne:bolic for old machines
• 1047[14:04:43] <stompykins> well
• 1048[14:04:50] <stompykins> join #debian-offtopic if you wanna chat about other stuff
• 1049[14:04:55] <stompykins> i can still help with your problem tho
• 1050[14:05:01] <stompykins> if you need it, i mean
• 1051[14:05:15] <stompykins> sshd is pretty simple
• 1052[14:05:43] <stompykins> im about to wipe a raspberry pi and put debian on it so i may have some questions of my own :>
• 1053[14:06:09] <ham5urg> Never did Arm, I will try a little more time on this share
• 1054[14:06:18] <ham5urg> And start my weekend
• 1055[14:06:29] <ham5urg> Nevertheless thanks for info
• 1056[14:08:29] * stompykins torrents
• 1057[14:08:49] <stompykins> 5mb/s and im still ungrateful
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• 1060[14:10:49] <jim> petn-randall, so, yes, alsactl restore as root did restore my settings
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• 1071[14:28:40] <pupae> hello
• 1072[14:29:16] <pupae> im not sure if this is the right place to ask, but im having issues setting up my webpage on deian 10
• 1073[14:29:23] <pupae> can anyone help
• 1074[14:30:16] <quadrathoch2> ask away
• 1075[14:30:46] <pupae> so i have never done this before and im trying to setup a webpage using but i cant seem to be able to connect to my domain. nmap -nP on the public ip shows that port 80 is closed. could this be a problem with my firwall(ufw) or iptables?
• 1076[14:31:36] <Urchin[emacs]> pupae: what are you using as the web server?
• 1077[14:31:44] <z8z> Any simple way to install themes for Debian 10 Mate? I downloaded 1 from the webside and doesn't seem to be recognised as theme file
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• 1079[14:32:30] <pupae> Urchin[emacs] thing is im following along this tutorial replaced-url
• 1080[14:33:11] <pupae> my node app is running express on 3000 locally on server and then iptables redirect ingress from p80 to 3000
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• 1087[14:36:37] <grammoboy> shoot, laptop died just before end of install debian testing... my fault
• 1088[14:37:03] <grammoboy> it boots, but when logging in graphically lxde, I get bumped back to login screen
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• 1092[14:37:40] <grammoboy> home folder seems empty, but that might be expected before first login?
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• 1094[14:38:16] <Urchin[emacs]> pupae: can you see it on 3000?
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• 1103[14:41:22] <grammoboy> hm ok, I
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• 1105[14:41:28] <grammoboy> m in now with startx
• 1106[14:41:31] <jim> grammoboy, you should probably try to find out why the laptop died
• 1107[14:41:44] <grammoboy> jim, low battery I guess
• 1108[14:41:46] <grammoboy> :)
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• 1111[14:42:01] <quadrathoch2> pupae, did you allow port 80 in ufw? ufw interfaces with iptables, so if you configured ufw it should be enabled also in iptables
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• 1113[14:48:33] <grammoboy> permissions issue I guess
• 1114[14:48:49] <grammoboy> what is the command to set the /home to the right permissions?
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• 1124[15:01:20] <pupae> Urchin[emacs] you genius! yeah so it turns out my app wasnt even listening on port 3000 lol. had to install net-tools to troubleshoot. much love!
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• 1153[15:30:09] <jim> grammoboy, if your /home is stored on the / partition, then you can chmod (put permissions here) /home
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• 1155[15:32:12] <jim> grammoboy, if your /home is on a -separate- partition from the / partition, then there are two things you can set the permissions on, one is /home, the other is the root dir of the /home partition
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• 1158[15:34:22] <grammoboy> jim, seems I've fixed it already. chown -R 0755
• 1159[15:34:34] <grammoboy> chmod I guess
• 1160[15:34:59] <grammoboy> chown user:user /home/user
• 1161[15:35:20] <grammoboy> chmod -R 0755 /home/user
• 1162[15:35:22] <grammoboy> iirc
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• 1164[15:35:31] <jim> grammoboy, ok... that might have made all your files executable
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• 1167[15:36:02] <jim> all the ones in /home/user that is
• 1168[15:36:22] <grammoboy> hmm
• 1169[15:36:30] <jim> if there are no files there, you're probably ok
• 1170[15:37:12] <grammoboy> new files seems executable indeed
• 1171[15:37:18] <grammoboy> 644 then or so?
• 1172[15:37:26] <jim> but it brings up the point that you should be very careful before you run recursive rm, chmod or chown
• 1173[15:37:40] <jim> or find
• 1174[15:38:16] <grammoboy> it's strange that is hard to find which would be the default setting
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• 1177[15:38:48] <grammoboy> I've asked it here on irc and did a internet search
• 1178[15:39:02] <grammoboy> no clear answer
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• 1180[15:47:53] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: if you want to make your files no longer executable you could first run "chmod -R -x /home/grammoboy" and then a command like this one: "find /home/jeremy -type d -execdir echo chmod -x '{}' +" (remove 'echo' from the command after verifying it's doing what you want it to).
• 1181[15:49:05] <jmcnaught> This find command finds all the subdirectories in /home/jeremy (your name is probably different :) and executes the command on them. Oh and the find command's chmod command should be +x not -x… sorry for the confusion.
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• 1185[15:50:42] <jmcnaught> |find /home/grammoboy -type d -execdir echo chmod +x '{}' +" (again remove "echo" after checking it does what you want
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• 1187[15:51:02] <jmcnaught> not sure how the pipe ended up in front there, leave that out.
• 1188[15:55:49] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, chmod -R -x /home/grammoboy
• 1189[15:55:58] <grammoboy> that one is right? with the -x?
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• 1196[16:02:13] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: the idea for "chmod -R -x /home/grammoboy" is to remove the executable bit from everything in your home directory.
• 1197[16:02:44] <jmcnaught> Then the find command will put the executable bit on only directories in your home. Directories need the executable bit set for you to be able to enter them.
• 1198[16:03:06] <grammoboy> moment, will be back on irc on the targeted laptop
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• 1210[16:05:12] <grammoboy> This is what I have now:
• 1211[16:05:13] <grammoboy> replaced-url
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• 1213[16:05:52] <grammoboy> where myhome is a normal hdd partition
• 1214[16:06:03] <grammoboy> /home/debian is on a ssd drive
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• 1216[16:06:23] <grammoboy> so I tried to symlink some folders from the ssd to the hdd
• 1217[16:06:52] <grammoboy> /home/debian
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• 1219[16:07:12] <grammoboy> /home/debian/myhome (=other hdd )
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• 1221[16:07:37] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, what are you trying to do/
• 1222[16:07:38] <quadrathoch2> ?
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• 1224[16:08:48] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, I've a permissions problem in my home folder, probably due to a shutdown just before the end of a debian installation (low battery) = 1
• 1225[16:09:24] <quadrathoch2> so you want to have kind of a split home folder?
• 1226[16:09:45] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, in this install I'm having / and /home on a ssd drive. Some folders on the /home ssd I
• 1227[16:09:50] <grammoboy> m symlinking to the hdd
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• 1229[16:10:11] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, okay, just wanted to ask if that was intentional ;)
• 1230[16:10:28] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, uh.. yes :)
• 1231[16:10:52] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, most people just dump /home directly on the hdd ;)
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• 1234[16:11:50] <jmcnaught> I have an HDD and SSD. The / is on the SSD, /home is on the HDD with a large SSD cache using LVM (lvmcache(7)).
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• 1236[16:12:23] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, ssd is new for me. I thought this setup would give me the most benefits
• 1237[16:12:40] <grammoboy> and swap is on the hdd too
• 1238[16:13:02] <jmcnaught> Why not put the swap on the SSD?
• 1239[16:13:08] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, how does this looks to you? replaced-url
• 1240[16:13:10] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, it still depends on what you want to do in /home. as most people only have a few config files + videos or sth, the speed of the hdd should suffice. but if you want to test out the ssd, then do it your way ;)
• 1241[16:13:50] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, not the most modern ssd, so swap was advised on the hdd, when reading around the Internet
• 1242[16:14:08] <quadrathoch2> the only obvious thing to me is, that your files have read permissions to other users in the group, or even other users. which should imho not be giving (especially maybe your bash_history file)
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• 1244[16:14:48] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, it depends on how often you probably swap. nowadays, normally swap is used so seldom, that most don't even create a swap partition/file
• 1245[16:15:34] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, I'm intending to use this laptop for audio usage, ardour and the like.
• 1246[16:15:59] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, hm... so room for improvement for the file permissions if I understand you well
• 1247[16:16:01] <quadrathoch2> how much ram do you got?
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• 1249[16:16:05] <grammoboy> 8gb
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• 1251[16:17:05] <grammoboy> linuxsampler seems to use a lot of ram and benefits from ssd drives. Reading large sample libraries
• 1252[16:17:09] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, the file permission is probably just a tweak. as in maybe another user could read your history, and maybe you just accidentally you typed in your password or something, that's why it's not recommended
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• 1256[16:18:16] <quadrathoch2> but per se, i don't see anything wrong
• 1257[16:18:20] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, so I should change only that bash_history file
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• 1259[16:19:12] <quadrathoch2> as of right now I am on a fedora box, and there every single file is 0500 (if it was created by the system)
• 1260[16:19:46] <quadrathoch2> oops, meant 0600
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• 1262[16:21:39] <grammoboy> you would expect to find a clear answer on the Internet. This are the default user right settings for your /home folder
• 1263[16:21:52] <grammoboy> I thought it must be 0775
• 1264[16:22:35] <jmcnaught> Debian defaults to 755 for home directories.
• 1265[16:22:57] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, imho 0775 sounds horrible wrong. in most use cases, do you really want to give out read execute permissions to 'random' users?
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• 1267[16:23:09] <grammoboy> could be 0755 then
• 1268[16:23:17] <grammoboy> is that the same as 755?
• 1269[16:23:20] <quadrathoch2> yes
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• 1271[16:23:55] <grammoboy> ok, so far so good I guess then
• 1272[16:24:06] <grammoboy> I will be the only user
• 1273[16:24:17] <grammoboy> all though it's always good to do it the right way of course
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• 1275[16:25:02] <grammoboy> but I screwed that up already a few times this week ;)
• 1276[16:25:20] <quadrathoch2> there is always something to learn ;)
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• 1278[16:25:47] <grammoboy> the problem is to not forget it...
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• 1280[16:26:11] <grammoboy> all the numbers and weird commands... phew.
• 1281[16:26:24] <grammoboy> even after using linux for quite some years
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• 1283[16:26:40] <quadrathoch2> honestly the numbers are in the beginning pretty weird, but later it's so much easier ;)
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• 1286[16:27:19] <grammoboy> I did learn myself some bash scripting a week back, which helps to see some logic in it all too
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• 1288[16:27:43] <quadrathoch2> that's even better :)
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• 1291[16:28:15] <grammoboy> now there is this TRIM setting for ssd?
• 1292[16:28:31] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 1293[16:28:51] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, replaced-url
• 1294[16:29:41] <jmcnaught> On a single user system I don't see much problem with ~ being 0755.
• 1295[16:29:42] <quadrathoch2> grammoboy, what ssd do you have? as most ssds shouldn't have any problems with the defaults (for the last 5-6 years or sth like that)
• 1296[16:29:48] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, yes, I know more or less. But mindset is different when you want to fix a problem fast... after spending already too much time on it..
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• 1298[16:30:20] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, no idea, but it is a thinkpad t420, not really new I guess
• 1299[16:30:24] <quadrathoch2> I get you, that's why there is still the char mode xD (as I call it)
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• 1302[16:30:59] <grammoboy> This was the inspiration for my setup btw
• 1303[16:31:00] <grammoboy> replaced-url
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• 1306[16:32:20] <quadrathoch2> won't load for me
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• 1308[16:32:38] <grammoboy> because you load it from fedora
• 1309[16:32:45] <grammoboy> you're banned
• 1310[16:33:22] <quadrathoch2> nah, it was just super slow to load (and https everywhere active)
• 1311[16:33:51] <grammoboy> sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer
• 1312[16:33:52] <quadrathoch2> oh wow the t420 is already 9 years old, so I guess yeah those precautions for the ssd are probably necessary
• 1313[16:34:05] <grammoboy> sudo systemctl start fstrim.timer
• 1314[16:34:33] <grammoboy> that t420 with a f*cking ssd and 8 gb is hypermodern for me!
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• 1316[16:34:43] <grammoboy> :)
• 1317[16:34:43] <quadrathoch2> even easier is systemctl enable --now fstrim.timer :p
• 1318[16:35:20] <grammoboy> ok cool. I've my system running then I guess.
• 1319[16:35:29] <quadrathoch2> nice :)
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• 1321[16:35:44] <grammoboy> thx quadrathoch2 jmcnaught jim
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• 1327[16:41:42] <sudomake> hello, I have the day's unsolved problem with a locally installed program not running on a second local operating system. the local server's IP has been added to hosts file of the latter.
• 1328[16:42:41] <jmcnaught> Sounds confusing.
• 1329[16:42:59] <karlpinc> I'm confused. But hey, I'm used to it.
• 1330[16:45:46] <quadrathoch2> sudomake, could you try to explain it a little more?
• 1331[16:46:51] <sudomake> I have a LAMP installation. I would like to run it on another, second operation system. but the browser in this second system times out.
• 1332[16:47:00] <sudomake> quadrathoch2^
• 1333[16:47:26] <sudomake> the installation is local, as I mentioned
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• 1337[16:48:06] <jmcnaught> What do you mean by second OS? Is it Debian in a chroot, container, VM?
• 1338[16:48:18] <sudomake> a debian VM
• 1339[16:49:07] <sudomake> it normally works when the IP is added to hosts, but this time doesnt
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• 1342[16:49:35] <quadrathoch2> the second system is also a vm or another pc?
• 1343[16:49:35] <grammoboy> reboot, command not found
• 1344[16:49:37] <grammoboy> hmm
• 1345[16:50:10] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: are you root? Did you become root with "su" with no arguments? On buster you need to use "su -"
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• 1348[16:50:44] <sudomake> sorry I have this disconnection problem for months now
• 1349[16:50:48] <quadrathoch2> did you configure your firewall (probably?)
• 1350[16:50:50] <grammoboy> if I'm gone in a second, you're right
• 1351[16:50:50] <sudomake> if you replied, please repeat
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• 1354[16:51:08] <annadane> nobody did
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• 1356[16:51:21] <annadane> ah, oops
• 1357[16:51:22] <sudomake> quadrathoch2, I added only *ufw allow 22/tcp*
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• 1359[16:52:22] <quadrathoch2> sudomake, well if it's a lamp stack you probably want 80/tcp
• 1360[16:52:25] <quadrathoch2> (also)
• 1361[16:52:30] <sudomake> ah
• 1362[16:52:33] <sudomake> let me try it
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• 1364[16:53:33] <floogy> Hi, I got an issue with transfering a virtual server (virtuozzo, openvz, debian i386 stretch) to a virtual box vm (stretch amd64) by using rsync.
• 1365[16:54:17] <floogy> I interupted rsync, but it had only deleted files from the system already. e.g. /bin
• 1366[16:55:01] <floogy> Now I started sash, from a backup of the remote system, to start rsync from sash from the backup folder.
• 1367[16:55:46] <sudomake> I added 80 but didnt help
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• 1369[16:56:20] <jim> floogy, you should use file-by-file copying, not sector-by-sector
• 1370[16:56:28] <quadrathoch2> sudomake, could you try to explain your issue again? as far as I get you, you want to copy over the lamp stack, so you have 2 lamp stacks?
• 1371[16:56:41] <floogy> I got strange issues. The shell cannot find it by issue the full path to rsync (i386), but sash -ls and -file find that rsync file. Maybe, because of amd64 versus i386? But sash is i386
• 1372[16:57:10] <floogy> rsync does file by file copy
• 1373[16:57:28] <sudomake> quadrathoch2, no, I just want to run the program installed on LAMP server on another browser that belongs to a different local OS.
• 1374[16:57:44] <quadrathoch2> ahh so you want to browse to that page?
• 1375[16:57:48] <sudomake> yes
• 1376[16:57:55] <quadrathoch2> on which computer did you open port 80?
• 1377[16:58:04] <quadrathoch2> the one which has the lamp stack?
• 1378[16:58:07] <floogy> I used --delete. Maybe the files are not exactly byte compatible and therefore deleted (i386 vs.- amd64 ELF format?).
• 1379[16:58:51] <sudomake> no, on the one that gives the error. the one with the lamp stack is the system where the program is originally installed
• 1380[16:59:27] <quadrathoch2> so what error is that? and you don't need to open the port on the computer you want to use to connect, but the one where the lamp stack is
• 1381[16:59:30] <sudomake> the original system runs the program without problem. it is the second system which doesnt show it
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• 1383[17:00:24] <quadrathoch2> sudomake, could you tell us what error you get?
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• 1386[17:03:34] <sudomake> quadrathoch2, this solved it; "and you don't need to open the port on the computer you want to use to connect, but the one where the lamp stack is"
• 1387[17:03:38] <sudomake> thank you very much!
• 1388[17:04:26] <sudomake> the browser shows the program now
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• 1399[17:17:30] <quadrathoch2> sudomake, great have fun :)
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• 1406[17:20:27] <floogy> jim, I had a vbox snapschot, that I recreated. I guess the programs might didn't find their libraries like libc, becauese the programs itself where still there.
• 1407[17:21:31] <floogy> file showed the programs, like `-file /bin/ls`
• 1408[17:21:44] <jim> I dunno exactly how snapshots work
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• 1410[17:21:57] <floogy> But ls gave /bin/ls: no such file or directory.
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• 1412[17:22:06] <floogy> Yes. The snapshot works.
• 1413[17:22:55] <floogy> Hopefully that method will work. I'm no longer sure. i'm trying witzhout interruption, and will see how it goes.
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• 1419[17:27:09] <floogy> jim, replaced-url
• 1420[17:28:07] <floogy> rsync -v -r -e "ssh -p 12222 -l root" -av --numeric-ids --delete --progress --exclude /sys --exclude /boot --exclude /dev --exclud
• 1421[17:28:07] <floogy> e /proc --exclude /etc/mtab --exclude /etc/fstab --exclude /etc/udev/rules.d --exclude /lib/modules myserver.de:/ /opt/pv10-2020-06-05/
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• 1439[17:41:20] <jim> rsync is a better solution, it's file-by-file
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• 1483[18:33:21] <grammoboy> for copying something (via scp this time), without the folder, I do use: cp -r /this/folder/* /my/folder
• 1484[18:33:33] <grammoboy> cp -r /this/folder/* /my/folder/
• 1485[18:33:35] <grammoboy> that is
• 1486[18:33:45] <grammoboy> is this the right way to do it?
• 1487[18:33:59] <grammoboy> I don't want to get /folder/folder/
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• 1491[18:35:09] <grammoboy> quadrathoch2, that trim ssd command is permanent, also after reboot?
• 1492[18:35:20] <grammoboy> sudo systemctl enable fstrim.time
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• 1498[18:40:25] <urxtnw> Can rm -rf / typed without privileges still do damage?
• 1499[18:40:43] <somiaj> urxtnw: yes
• 1500[18:40:59] <urxtnw> how come? then everyone can type that
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• 1502[18:41:10] <somiaj> don't suggest that everyone type that
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• 1504[18:41:22] <jmcnaught> urxtnw: it would delete all the files in your user's home directory.
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• 1506[18:41:40] <somiaj> I belive it should, it really depends on if cp exits when it hits a permissions error or just continues on, I think it continues on, so it would delete anything that user had rights to delete
• 1507[18:42:05] <urxtnw> what is "cp exists"
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• 1509[18:42:23] <somiaj> I meant cp exits
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• 1512[18:42:46] <somiaj> programs when they run into an error can either stop completely, or just output the error and move on, cp moves on I belive
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• 1514[18:43:07] <urxtnw> what is "cp"? copy? you mean rm ?
• 1515[18:43:41] <jmcnaught> urxtnw: they're talking to someone else who asked a question before you joined the channel.
• 1516[18:43:43] <somiaj> oh yea rm, sorry, just waking up
• 1517[18:43:56] <urxtnw> somiaj, no worries :)
• 1518[18:44:03] <jmcnaught> heh or not
• 1519[18:44:04] <somiaj> no I just got confused with the eariler question and am mixing up cp and rm
• 1520[18:44:12] <urxtnw> I'm installing a virtual debian and see if it works
• 1521[18:44:16] <urxtnw> how do tell if it does?
• 1522[18:44:27] <urxtnw> Put a file on the desktop and see if it deletes it?
• 1523[18:44:31] <somiaj> they users $HOME dir any any file they can delete will be done.
• 1524[18:44:37] <somiaj> done=gone
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• 1527[18:46:53] <f-a> a question about the /tmp/ folder. Is there a specific time when it gets empitied? at shutdown? at boot? at 00:00?
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• 1529[18:47:07] <somiaj> boot I belive
• 1530[18:47:21] <somiaj> unless it is tmpfs, then it looses all info at shutdown
• 1531[18:47:28] <deepy> urxtnw: it would delete all files you have access to, print an error for all files you don't have access to
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• 1534[18:47:56] <urxtnw> deepy, because of the recursion?
• 1535[18:47:59] <deepy> And a wild guess says that which you do have access to that reside in a directory you don't have access to might be safe
• 1536[18:48:00] <f-a> that’s quite interesting somiaj , means you can extract useful info after, e.g. power failure etc.
• 1537[18:48:04] <deepy> urxtnw: yes
• 1538[18:48:38] <somiaj> f-a: even if it emeptied as part of shutdown, a power failure would avoid the shutdown and still have the data.
• 1539[18:48:52] <somiaj> f-a: maybe use tmpfs if this is an issue for you.
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• 1542[18:49:55] <urxtnw> hey guys
• 1543[18:49:57] <urxtnw> guess what
• 1544[18:50:11] <urxtnw> it said "it is dangerous to operate recursively on "/"
• 1545[18:50:22] <urxtnw> and that I have to do --no preserve-root
• 1546[18:53:08] <urxtnw> and then it quit
• 1547[18:53:22] <annadane> maybe don't run dangerous commands?
• 1548[18:53:47] <somiaj> sounds like they finally put in safe guards against people pasting that from internet advise
• 1549[18:53:57] <urxtnw> hahahaahah
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• 1553[18:55:48] <somiaj> but they told you how to run that command if you really want to, though I would just avoid doing something so distructive
• 1554[18:58:02] <urxtnw> yeah I tried it, it deleted everything in home
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• 1556[18:58:46] <Franckapik> Is there a way to manage folder as root in debian ?
• 1557[18:58:52] <Franckapik> i mean on GUI
• 1558[18:58:56] <Franckapik> i have dolphin
• 1559[18:59:06] <Franckapik> but if i try kdesu or kdesudo i've got nothing :/
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• 1562[19:00:09] <urxtnw> it's very bad to run GUI applications with privileges
• 1563[19:00:36] <urxtnw> Franckapik, As put by Emmanuele Bassi, a GNOME developer: "there are no *real*, substantiated, technological reasons why anybody should run a GUI application as root. By running GUI applications as an admin user you're literally running millions of lines of code that have not been audited properly to run under elevated privileges; you're also running code that will touch files inside your $HOME and may change their ownership on the file system;
• 1564[19:00:37] <urxtnw> connect, via IPC, to even more running code, etc. You're opening up a massive, gaping security hole [...]."
• 1565[19:01:49] <Franckapik> ok ok
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• 1567[19:02:04] <Franckapik> so if i want to move a folder in /opt/ i should use console only ?
• 1568[19:02:09] <urxtnw> yes
• 1569[19:02:14] <annadane> sometimes the best answer to "how do i accomplish x" is "don't"
• 1570[19:02:23] <Franckapik> pifouu
• 1571[19:02:26] <urxtnw> those small CLI programs are very same and you can run them with privileges
• 1572[19:02:28] <Franckapik> ok
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• 1574[19:02:33] <urxtnw> very safe*
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• 1577[19:03:28] <GenTooMan> hmm auto mounting (IE USB block device discovered and mounted) does not work recently none of my USB drives mounted on reboot either. yet the drives appear to be recognized under /dev/sd?
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• 1579[19:03:33] <Franckapik> I love linux but it's a shame to not allow this compared to windows
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• 1582[19:04:02] <Franckapik> it seems hard sometime to use only cli
• 1583[19:04:16] <Franckapik> but thank you for your answer urxtnw :)
• 1584[19:04:19] <GenTooMan> consider what they said then think about what windows does
• 1585[19:05:13] <annadane> console basics are pretty simple to learn to get you started
• 1586[19:05:18] <annadane> you can do complicated stuff only later on
• 1587[19:05:31] <GenTooMan> moving files is very easy.
• 1588[19:05:39] <annadane> a good primer is replaced-url
• 1589[19:05:51] <urxtnw> Franckapik, that's why windows is not safe
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• 1591[19:06:14] <urxtnw> Franckapik, and the beauty in CLI is its simplicity, and yes it's annoying sometimes but learning it is not hard, at least for daily stuff
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• 1595[19:08:30] <Franckapik> ok..
• 1596[19:08:44] <urxtnw> Franckapik, If you're worried, make a virtual machine with the system and play around with it
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• 1598[19:08:54] <urxtnw> see if you accomplish what you want and then use the commands in your own system
• 1599[19:09:08] <Franckapik> thank you for this advice
• 1600[19:09:18] <Franckapik> i didin't think about this way to learn
• 1601[19:09:50] <urxtnw> or a different laptop
• 1602[19:09:54] <urxtnw> no worries :)
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• 1622[19:26:56] <karlpinc> Franckapik: I find the keyboard (and commands) faster than the GUI. Usually. (Especially when you know how to use a "real" editor, like emacs or vi, and don't ever have to remove your hands from the keyboard. Although I can't really speak for vi users.)
• 1623[19:28:16] <Franckapik> lol yes... i understand
• 1624[19:28:42] <Franckapik> i read this a lot and have a friend who use keyboard with vi so fast
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• 1626[19:29:26] <Franckapik> sometimes it's a little tiring to learn when i want to do something quickly
• 1627[19:29:30] <Franckapik> but it's life ;)
• 1628[19:30:00] <Franckapik> for example, because i'm a french guy, it's complicated to manage folder with é è ç keys ;)
• 1629[19:30:18] <karlpinc> Franckapik: That's the trouble with computers, there's tons of things to learn before you can do anything. I prefer emacs myself, but choose one and learn it.
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• 1631[19:30:36] <Franckapik> :)
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• 1633[19:30:57] <annadane> !start an editor war
• 1634[19:30:57] <dpkg> emacs is known to cause sexual impotence.
• 1635[19:31:01] <karlpinc> Franckapik: (man less -- to learn how to use man, info info -- to learn how to use info. And don't forget the readme.debian files.)
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• 1638[19:32:39] <karlpinc> !fhs
• 1639[19:32:39] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
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• 1641[19:33:07] <annadane> !newcomer
• 1642[19:33:08] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
• 1643[19:33:15] <annadane> ^ you could read some of that
• 1644[19:33:23] <annadane> (especially now that the handbook is now finally updated!)
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• 1648[19:35:41] <jmcnaught> Franckapik: replaced-url
• 1649[19:36:37] <annadane> ^ much more considerate. :)
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• 1652[19:37:22] <annadane> also a good illustration of why a vibrant volunteer community is a good thing
• 1653[19:37:37] <annadane> to translate stuff and just about every area you can think of
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• 1661[19:44:21] <urxtnw> Franckapik, replaced-url
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• 1668[19:47:18] <obfuscated> Hello, is there any info about different versions of the compatibility level when building deb packages. I'm building a software and it is using comp level 7 and the build scripts are complaining. Is it safe to set this version to 10? Would I be able to build packages for ubuntu 14.0.4 with this setting?
• 1669[19:48:29] <jmcnaught> obfuscated: #ubuntu might know, but #debian wouldn't.
• 1670[19:49:54] <obfuscated> jmcnaught: this doesn't answer the question what is the meaning of all the different versions, the help doesn't help much.... replaced-url
• 1671[19:50:11] <sney> #packaging on OFTC would probably be more appropriate for the debhelper compat question as well. but AIUI, warnings about debhelper will not prevent you from building the binary itself, so unless you are building the package to distribute it then you can safely ignore those warnings
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• 1677[19:51:54] <obfuscated> sney: Thanks for the hint. Are you proposing to ask in irc.oftc.net #packaging? I'm distributing the packages.
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• 1680[19:53:02] <sney> yes, irc.oftc.net #packaging is the help channel for packaging for non-distro package repositories
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• 1767[21:06:44] <xparanoik> wtf
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• 1785[21:15:20] <gl4t-ag3nt> I am selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for each computer if less than 25 computers, else $49.
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• 1787[21:15:41] <dd> wow
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• 1798[21:21:42] <jelly> that ought to keep them away for a bit, like 4-5 more accounts
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• 1825[21:48:13] <ice99> guys, would you help me with this poll as it will help with a future project, thanks! replaced-url
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• 1828[21:50:16] <doubledutch> Recommendations for installing Debian Unstable/Experimental on an ideapad Slim 1 ... emmc0 stuff going on, uboot firmware, radeon A6 processor. I have 2GB ram on purpose and want 32-bit everything
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• 1832[21:58:37] <annadane> doubledutch, don't know but you may want to ask:
• 1833[21:58:39] <annadane> !debian-next
• 1834[21:58:39] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1841[22:01:29] <sney> "debootstrap" is the answer to most of those things, anyway. it has a comprehensive man page and is also documented in the install guide, under "installing debian from a unix/linux system."
• 1842[22:01:30] <sney> !ig
• 1843[22:01:31] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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• 1860[22:20:30] <r3> madre, I've got one extra I can give you
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• 1915[23:10:53] <madre> sorry, just a joke
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• 1944[23:36:54] <john_rambo> I want to re encode a video to change its aspect ratio to 16:9 ...How can I do that ?
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• 1948[23:39:01] <floogy> Hi. I got a weird issue. I'm from within a virtualbox stretch guest (on windows10 host) not able to ping 8.8.8.8, but dig google.com works. I can ping the router and also computer in the LAN.
• 1949[23:39:45] <floogy> I'm using bridged networking
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• 1951[23:40:04] <jmcnaught> john_rambo: Have you tried Handbrake?
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• 1953[23:40:48] <john_rambo> jmcnaught, Yes but cant understand where to mention the aspect ratio
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• 1955[23:41:34] <floogy> Ok, got it: In virual box I had promiscuous modeon deny under networking
• 1956[23:43:09] <jmcnaught> john_rambo: under "Dimensions" which is next to "Summary"
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• 1958[23:45:10] <john_rambo> jmcnaught, Found it ... exact where to I put "16:9" ?
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• 1964[23:50:23] <jmcnaught> john_rambo: hmmm… I don't seem to be able to uncheck "Keep Aspect" under Display geometry.
• 1965[23:50:35] <jmcnaught> smh
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• 1976[23:59:28] <ilikeyou> if I'm setting up ssid of an open network in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a stanza needed for delegating no password? something like "key_mgmt=NONE" for wpa_supplicant ?
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