• 0[00:00:06] <nvz> heh. i couldve given a real simple oneliner to build a list from a mirror
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• 6[00:01:58] <codebam> any ideas at what might be causing ifupdown to fail to bring up my interface? replaced-url
• 7[00:02:06] <sophiya> errors
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• 12[00:02:50] <nvz> codebam: i can give you some ideas of why someone may not want to follow that link
• 13[00:03:05] <codebam> nvz: it's a paste
• 14[00:03:14] <codebam> add .txt to the end
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• 18[00:04:02] <nvz> yes but i dont know that, which is why i tell people to use paste.debian.net its familiar and its clean for my textmode browser, and fast cause its not ssl
• 19[00:04:36] <jmcnaught> paste.debian.net is available on https
• 20[00:04:40] <sophiya> you should not be using ssl anyway, nvz
• 21[00:04:46] <codebam> nvz: paste.debian has more of an overhead than a plain site with nothing on it than text
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• 23[00:04:49] <nils_> is there anyone I could bribe/motivate to update the backport for linux-image-amd64 (4.9) on jessie? I'm looking for a way to mitigate the stack clash issue and would prefer not to start building my own kernels.
• 24[00:05:04] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 25[00:05:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
• 26[00:05:08] <sophiya> nvz: plus, TLS should be used regardless
• 27[00:05:18] <sophiya> the overhead is tiny
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• 29[00:05:37] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell nils_ about bdo kernel
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• 31[00:06:13] <nvz> codebam: that may be so but some of us like me are on an opilite using a hotspot and console only and we have tools setup to view paste.debian.net and will be unlikely to follow strange links just to see the context of your issue
• 32[00:06:29] <codebam> nvz: you can literally use curl
• 33[00:06:39] <nils_> jmcnaught, yeah the most recent version is from June 14th, not containing the fix while the version in stretch does.
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• 35[00:07:04] <nvz> codebam: im just telling you this stuff so you understand why someone may not respond.. use more context in your question and dont use strange links
• 36[00:07:15] <codebam> nvz: ptpb is quite common
• 37[00:07:19] <codebam> they have a nice api as well
• 38[00:07:24] <codebam> I use it for taking screenshots
• 39[00:07:37] <codebam> replaced-url
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• 42[00:09:37] <nvz> Cabanossi: all i can gather from your paste is that you got some rube setup i cant see.. you need to break it down and do each command step by step to see where the problem lies and why wpa_supplicant is failing
• 43[00:09:43] <nvz> codebam: ^
• 44[00:10:09] <jmcnaught> nils_: i see. if you mean this replaced-url
• 45[00:10:34] <codebam> nvz: okay, how can I know what command is being executed by run-parts?
• 46[00:10:54] <codebam> because the command it shows takes arguments, I'm not sure what the arguments are
• 47[00:10:56] <missmbob> p.d.n got a 4yr certificate from letsencrypt? wow. i thought they only did 3months. okay
• 48[00:11:19] <nvz> see this is why i wouldnt want to answer your vague question. i know even less about your setup than you do
• 49[00:11:52] <nils_> jmcnaught, yeah the patch is only applied in stretch security, the patch is in upstream 4.9.34 which I guess they backported to 4.9.30
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• 53[00:12:44] <nvz> codebam: i dont have a clue about this i'm using plain ol wicd-daemon here its simple.. for me to try solve your problems you gotta provide us with a clue as to what your setup is and how it got that way
• 54[00:12:47] <codebam> nvz: I'm just trying to get wpa_supplicant to work with ifupdown and dhcp
• 55[00:13:03] <teraflops> codebam: may I ask why?
• 56[00:13:05] <jmcnaught> missmbob: the certificate i get from paste.debian.net expires 04/09/17
• 57[00:13:13] <codebam> teraflops: I don't like the alternatives
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• 59[00:13:36] <nvz> codebam: if that were the case youd say i ran wpa_supplicant foo bar baz and it gave error foo bar baz unrecognized options..
• 60[00:13:54] <codebam> hmm?
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• 62[00:14:28] <teraflops> codebam: what are you doing exactly? if you pasted it I missed
• 63[00:14:29] <codebam> I've done this before, on gentoo they use network hooks though. I think I just did it with dhcpcd
• 64[00:14:37] <nvz> all i know is something generated what clearly looks like a script error with no useful information and you pasted it
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• 67[00:17:22] <codebam> teraflops: I'm configuring /etc/network/interfaces (replaced-url
• 68[00:17:22] <nvz> now i gotta pry info out of you that you dont even seem to have. i said go step by step.. manually run the commands or tell us how you come to have a script doing this and show us said script
• 69[00:17:22] <codebam> nvz: I've pasted all the config files I have
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• 72[00:17:22] <codebam> if I had more information to give you I would give you it
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• 75[00:17:22] <codebam> I can paste my wpa_supplicant.conf, but that's not part of the error message, wpa_supplicant is running fine
• 76[00:17:22] <codebam> the issue is with ifupdown
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• 78[00:17:34] <codebam> so if you want a config file stop complaining and tell me what you need
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• 80[00:18:29] <teraflops> codebam: you want to connect to eduroam using /e/n/i ?
• 81[00:18:50] <codebam> no
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• 84[00:19:28] <teraflops> than I dont get what you want sorry
• 85[00:19:32] <codebam> I want ifupdown to start wpa_supplicant and negotiate dhcp
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• 89[00:19:49] <teraflops> I mean, good luck, I dont see the point
• 90[00:20:20] <th0r> codebam, replaced-url
• 91[00:20:44] <th0r> codebam, the uncommented lines are use a static ip, but the commented lines fetch an ip by dhcp
• 92[00:20:48] <teraflops> I use NM and never had issues doing roaming or changing of netkork automagically
• 93[00:21:10] <codebam> th0r: oh cool, I'll check that out. let me try that, thanks
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• 97[00:21:36] <jmcnaught> codebam: what did "ifdown --force wlp3s0" do?
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• 100[00:23:12] <codebam> jmcnaught: just tried, it successfully turned off the interface. afterwards running ifup worked. I got a dhcp address but I think it was only because I have dhcpcd running
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• 104[00:24:44] <jmcnaught> codebam: ifup doesn't normally use dhcpch, stop that service and try to ifdown and ifup your interface again
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• 107[00:25:12] <codebam> yeah I was right, no errors at all, but when running ifup with dhcpcd killed it doesn't negotiate for dhcp
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• 109[00:25:29] <jmcnaught> codebam: by the way your paste "replaced-url
• 110[00:25:59] <codebam> jmcnaught: I mean it stopped it anyways?
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• 112[00:27:02] <codebam> so it works, but ifupdown isn't negotiating dhcp, I cant figure out why
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• 118[00:28:43] <jmcnaught> codebam: in another terminal you can run "journalctl -f" and it will show you log messages as they happen
• 119[00:28:52] <codebam> oh hmm, okay when I changed my /etc/network/interfaces back so that it was doing dhcp (my bad) I get the same error as before. (the file is identical to all the pastes I've done)
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• 122[00:29:42] <jmcnaught> codebam: for those of us not paying very close attention, please make a new paste with the updated /e/n/interfaces and the command you used and complete output
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• 131[00:33:41] <bolt> my mcelog contains this: replaced-url
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• 137[00:34:59] <LtL> bolt: dual channel slots so 11 of 16?
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• 139[00:35:36] <VentGrey> Hello debian people
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• 142[00:36:05] <VentGrey> has anyone managed to .deb the kernek 4.11? since the kernel-package is not available on Debian stretch
• 143[00:36:17] <bolt> LtL: so bank 6?
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• 145[00:36:44] <VentGrey> it's being a pain in the ass to compile it with make deb-pkg
• 146[00:36:50] <LtL> bolt: that would be my guess yeah
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• 153[00:40:50] <VentGrey> I tried using this command on the documentation but it seems that something fails
• 154[00:40:51] <VentGrey> make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-falcot KDEB_PKGVERSION=$(make kernelversion)-1
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• 157[00:41:16] <remo1> where can I find loggining up /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 160[00:42:42] <jmcnaught> remo1: the initial attempt to bring up the interfaces would be logged under the networking service so "journalctl -u networking.service" will show that. Logs in Debian then get forwarded to syslog, which puts them in /var/log
• 161[00:43:12] <VentGrey> :u wow advice is working
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• 164[00:44:20] <nils_> VentGrey, how is it failing?
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• 167[00:45:09] <VentGrey> Throws a bunch of make errors
• 168[00:45:20] <nils_> VentGrey, a paste would be nice ;)
• 169[00:45:28] <codebam_> so after rebooting systemd services are hanging because it can't bring up the interfaces properly
• 170[00:45:36] <codebam_> and I can't finish booting
• 171[00:45:36] <VentGrey> I know im trying to reduce it
• 172[00:46:01] <codebam_> how do I fix it?
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• 174[00:46:27] <nils_> VentGrey, as long as you use a pastebin I would be fine with the whole output.
• 175[00:46:28] <codebam_> can I boot with a kernel option that will tell systemd to skip bringing up interfaces, or just get to a root shell?
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• 178[00:47:31] <remo1> If I run bridge interface as allow-hotplug br0 -- interface not up. If I run interface as auto br0, when boot I need wait 1 minute for boot
• 179[00:47:52] <codebam_> oh we have the same issue. interesting
• 180[00:47:56] <remo1> How to fix waiting 1 minute ?
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• 182[00:48:11] <codebam_> only difference is that I have a stupid service that waits forever
• 183[00:48:16] <codebam_> so I can't boot
• 184[00:48:18] <codebam_> ...
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• 187[00:48:54] <bolt> LtL: hmm.. i ran "dmidecode -t 20" ( replaced-url
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• 189[00:49:55] <bolt> guess i'll try to rip that one out and test it elsewhere
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• 193[00:51:20] <LtL> bolt: take it out and run memtest
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• 195[00:51:55] <bolt> LtL: not sure if memtest properly supports ecc. the errors are being corrected.
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• 198[00:52:27] <LtL> bolt: provided it will boot with an empty bank. im not sure about ECC either
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• 201[00:52:55] <bolt> LtL: that's another issue, i guess... dunno if it'll be happy about that. might have to remove more than one stick
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• 203[00:53:43] <nils_> bolt, should usually work, but performance may be degraded on that memory channel (assuming reasonably modern x86)
• 204[00:53:49] <Olof_szary> hello. I am looking for tool to do efficient, easy accessible backup. No zipping (because most are hard to compress), no encryption, on local (USB) device.
• 205[00:54:10] <LtL> bolt: try, if it doesnt transfer the dimm's to populate the empty slot, follow me?
• 206[00:54:31] <Olof_szary> I am thinking about rsync, but I am unsure which options should I provide
• 207[00:54:44] <nils_> Olof_szary, I liked rsnapshot for that purpose, it uses rsync internally
• 208[00:54:48] <LtL> bolt: leaving the end bank empty, shouldnt need to tho'
• 209[00:55:03] <bolt> LtL: yeh. i'll give it a shot :)
• 210[00:55:29] <codebam_> ?
• 211[00:55:33] <bolt> nils_: thinking that too
• 212[00:55:43] <VentGrey> @nils_
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• 214[00:55:47] <VentGrey> or nils
• 215[00:55:50] <VentGrey> replaced-url
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• 217[00:56:05] <VentGrey> cant find what's wrong on my syntax
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• 219[00:56:09] <nils_> VentGrey, apt-get install bc
• 220[00:56:27] <nils_> VentGrey, and you'll also need libssl-dev (or whatever it's named)
• 221[00:56:37] <VentGrey> libssl?
• 222[00:56:51] <VentGrey> let me try to install them
• 223[00:56:53] <nils_> VentGrey, this line is the error: /bin/sh: 1: bc: not found
• 224[00:57:05] <qqumber> I want reality to be like something in a sci-fi movie! Reality fucking sucks.
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• 226[00:57:23] <VentGrey> Downloading...
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• 228[00:57:39] <VentGrey> that was fast
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• 231[00:58:33] <Olof_szary> nils_: do you know if i could just put rsync -a --delete and it shall work?
• 232[00:58:49] <qqumber> I hate youths.
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• 236[00:59:25] <VentGrey> well, its making some progress....
• 237[00:59:47] <nils_> Olof_szary, I guess so, I'm not too intimately familiar with all the command line switches. rsnapshot has the advantage of keeping a few older versions of the data.
• 238[00:59:52] <VentGrey> tho is going reaaally slow, i should have enabled multi-core compile
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• 242[01:00:35] <VentGrey> OMG it's actually compiling
• 243[01:00:41] <Tramp> Olof_szary: check "-H" for preservation of hard links
• 244[01:00:43] <VentGrey> Thanks Mr Nils_ :D
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• 248[01:01:40] <Olof_szary> nils_: I already have a script for rotation+packing more-important parts (pdfs, sourcecodes etc). Now I am mainly interested in preserving all important-but-not-cruicial parts of /home/ with easy access
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• 252[01:03:21] <Tramp> Olof_szary: depending on how much space you have and if you want some history, tar (with a date-suffix) might also be an option
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• 254[01:04:08] <VentGrey> does make deb-pkg support multicore?
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• 260[01:06:16] <missmbob> you can use -j and specify the number. man make
• 261[01:07:11] <Olof_szary> Tramp: /home: 600G, backupdir 3TB. I am able to spare 600 GB on backup (as-it-is). the rest is devoted to important-copressed-rotated backup I have scripts for those and now I am working on script for the as-it-is backup
• 262[01:07:26] <tharkun> Aloha, I'm trying to download the DVD iso from 9.0 but I get File `debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.template' does not exist! from Debian mirror [replaced-url
• 263[01:07:29] <VentGrey> i did man make XD i just saw the -j thing
• 264[01:07:36] <tharkun> Any ideas what tree should I bark at?
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• 266[01:07:53] <VentGrey> as far as I understand it must be my processor cores +1
• 267[01:07:57] <VentGrey> am i wrong?
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• 272[01:08:27] <missmbob> that'd work fine
• 273[01:08:33] <Tramp> Olof_szary: yeah, if you only want 1 generation, I'd go with rsync.
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• 277[01:09:29] <Olof_szary> Tramp: -aH --delete, or something more?
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• 279[01:09:38] <VentGrey> 1 gen?
• 280[01:10:29] <Tramp> Olof_szary: nah, should be fine. (I use -vaH all the time, but you may not want the verbosity)
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• 282[01:11:32] <Olof_szary> the --delete option checks source, and if I removed/renamed some file in tracked directories, it will remove from my backup, right?
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• 284[01:11:58] <Olof_szary> it wont mess up my actual /home/
• 285[01:12:35] <tharkun> Is the jigdo downloading way broken for Stretch?
• 286[01:12:45] <Tramp> not unless you mix up source and destination
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• 288[01:13:00] <Olof_szary> :D thanks
• 289[01:13:08] <Tramp> Olof_szary: you can run with -n first to see, what it does
• 290[01:13:40] <Tramp> Olof_szary: and if stuff gets confusing, sometimes --itemize-changes can be helpful for debugging
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• 295[01:15:24] <Tramp> Olof_szary: yes. --delete deletes from the target
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• 305[01:20:05] <OS-28660> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
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• 310[01:21:44] <VentGrey> jigdo speed is considerably fast
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• 313[01:22:02] <VentGrey> I downloaded my iso at 4MB/s
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• 322[01:24:39] <tharkun> FTR replaced-url
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• 337[01:30:20] <VentGrey> im from mx too XD
• 338[01:30:28] <VentGrey> try usinf the unam one
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• 363[01:42:53] <dondelelcaro> replaced-url
• 364[01:43:30] <nils_> replaced-url
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• 366[01:44:40] <replaced-url
• 367[01:45:03] <dondelelcaro> replaced-url
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• 369[01:46:48] <dondelelcaro> (it'll be an option in grub or most bootloaders)
• 370[01:46:59] <codebam> I enabled networkmanager but it's not doing dhcp negotiations
• 371[01:47:16] <codebam> it connects fine, and then doesn't negotiate for dhcp
• 372[01:47:28] <tharkun> Is the jigdo-lite way of downloading a regular iso really a faster way than wget?
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• 375[01:48:00] <missmbob> bt
• 376[01:48:10] <jmcnaught> codebam: did you stop or remove dhcpcd? did you comment out your wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 377[01:48:24] <tharkun> I'm getting connected from southamerica all the way to sweden to download files :(
• 378[01:48:26] <codebam> I disabled dhcpcd. do I need to enable it?
• 379[01:48:38] <codebam> jmcnaught: I commented out everything except the loopback
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• 381[01:49:18] <codebam> does networkmanager use dhcpcd?
• 382[01:49:32] <codebam> I didn't have it installed before
• 383[01:50:05] <jmcnaught> codebam: NetworkManager does not use dhcpcd
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• 385[01:50:35] <tharkun> codebam: set up a line using dhclient for your particular install and report back.
• 386[01:50:44] <jmcnaught> also if you have installed other network configuration tools like wicd or connman please check that they are stopped, disabled, uninstalled as appropriate
• 387[01:50:57] <replaced-url
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• 389[01:51:25] <VentGrey> Im actually compiling it
• 390[01:51:40] <VentGrey> tho the LTS kernel should give you no trouble
• 391[01:52:29] <tharkun> replaced-url
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• 396[01:54:11] <codebam> okay, well dhcpcd is disabled and I can't get a dhcp lease
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• 398[01:54:55] <codebam> how can I fix this
• 399[01:54:57] <tharkun> replaced-url
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• 405[01:55:19] <tharkun> codebam: set up a line using dhclient for your particular install and report back.
• 406[01:55:39] <codebam> tharkun: set up a line?
• 407[01:55:47] <codebam> what does that mean
• 408[01:56:26] <pacha> any place to get new fortunes for this replaced-url
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• 411[01:56:52] <jmcnaught> codebam: can you make a paste of the output of "journalctl -u NetworkManager" ?
• 412[01:56:59] <tharkun> codebam: man dhclient is your starting point. Sorry I'm too busy at the moment.
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• 414[01:57:53] <codebam> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 418[01:58:31] <jmcnaught> pacha: packages that start with 'fortunes-' try "apt-cache search --names-only fortunes"
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• 420[01:58:57] <pacha> jmcnaught: already got those
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• 426[02:01:45] <codebam> tharkun: the problem isn't that I can't get a lease, the problem is that networkmanager can't get a lease
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• 429[02:02:30] <jmcnaught> codebam: it looks like the DHCP request is timing out. By the way with journalctl you can use "--since=-5min" for the last 5 minutes. So maybe if you disconnect/disable wifi, then connect again, then show us a shortened log past with only the most recent connection attempt in it
• 430[02:02:44] <archifriend> I have a Brother Scanner (DCP-7065DN) on my network that used to work under Debian Stretch and stopped some months ago. gscan2pdf can no longer find the scanner. scanimage -L segfaults. I've followed the installation instructions (which indicate success) again to no avail. I've googled far and wide. Any ideas?
• 431[02:02:46] <codebam> okay I can do that
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• 434[02:04:31] <jmcnaught> codebam: also look at/paste /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/$NETWORK_NAME (note this will include WPA passwords if the connection is available to everybody). Maybe try making a copy of that file, then telling NM to forget that network, then try again?
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• 436[02:07:26] <codebam> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 437[02:07:33] <codebam> (sorry if that send twice)
• 438[02:07:37] <codebam> *sent
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• 440[02:08:46] <codebam> also resolvconf is setting my dns to 127.0.0.1 every time I reconnect
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• 444[02:10:29] <jmcnaught> codebam: :P did you look at your paste? also NM uses dnsmasq as a forwarding resolver
• 445[02:10:38] <tharkun> codebam: Sorry the first step is to check the other end of the line. Connections ar terrible down here sorry to be of no assistance.
• 446[02:11:34] <codebam> jmcnaught: but it's commented out inside it's configuration. I had it enabled before, but it shouldn't be now
• 447[02:12:12] <codebam> ohh sorry
• 448[02:12:15] <codebam> I'll paste it
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• 451[02:12:38] <friiq> replaced-url
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• 453[02:14:17] <jmcnaught> !ops friiq link is spam
• 454[02:14:17] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: friiq link is spam
• 455[02:14:32] <friiq> :/
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• 457[02:15:03] <friiq> fine i will ask in another chan
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• 465[02:18:09] <jmcnaught> codebam: my computer using NetworkManager is still on jessie, and does not use dnsmasq, its /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf is identical to one on a stretch system (which has NM disabled)
• 466[02:18:12] <OS-28660> /msg NickServ REGISTER Aaa123 idejijacob@gmail.com
• 467[02:19:57] <jmcnaught> codebam: however considering you had/have dhcpcd installed, it's unclear to me what else you might have installed that is "participating" in network configuration
• 468[02:20:24] <pierrot> Hi. In this tutorial replaced-url
• 469[02:20:54] <codebam> jmcnaught: sorry, I just missed those messages
• 470[02:21:00] <codebam> what did you say before that
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• 472[02:21:12] <codebam> I didn't see anything after where I said about sending messages twice
• 473[02:21:20] <codebam> other than that last message
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• 475[02:21:46] <jmcnaught> codebam: you are unable to see your backscroll?
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• 478[02:22:13] <codebam> I'm connected with znc and I guess if I timeout and /reconnect I don't see the backlog
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• 482[02:24:07] <jmcnaught> pierrot: any third party package or repository could interfere with the upgrade. In my experience it's more important to make sure that third party repos are temporarily removed. There doesn't look like very much overlap between your list of external packages and package names provided by Debian so your risk may be low
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• 485[02:24:58] <nvz> codebam: replaced-url
• 486[02:25:14] <jmcnaught> codebam: i thought capturing the backscroll while disconnected was the point of ZNC. Anyways I asked you a while back to disconnect/disable wifi, then connect using NM and show "journalctl -u NetworkManager --since=-2min" and the paste that you shared was just a permission error
• 487[02:25:48] <codebam> oh so that message never sent
• 488[02:25:53] <codebam> I did a paste
• 489[02:25:55] <codebam> replaced-url
• 490[02:26:11] <nvz> codebam: thats just last 2hrs of /laslog codebam
• 491[02:26:21] <codebam> jmcnaught: yeah it is lol, I guess it couldn't tell that I disconnected though
• 492[02:26:25] <codebam> nvz: thank you
• 493[02:26:28] <nvz> np
• 494[02:27:11] <codebam> what is dns set to in a default networkmanager configuration?
• 495[02:27:19] <pierrot> jmcnaught: I have a folder /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which content is: dropbox.list dropbox.list.save google-chrome.list google-chrome.list.save google-talkplugin.list google-talkplugin.list.save skype-stable.list skype-stable.list.save stebbins-handbrake-releases-jessie.list
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• 498[02:27:52] <jmcnaught> pierrot: you could move all of those files somewhere else for now, or edit each one to comment out the repo lines
• 499[02:28:03] <codebam> but other than that I haven't touched my networkmanager configuration. it was working fine before I started trying to get wpa_supplicant working
• 500[02:28:25] <jmcnaught> codebam: this is default NetworkManager.conf on stretch: replaced-url
• 501[02:28:48] <codebam> okay, that's identical to mine other than my commented out dnsmasq line
• 502[02:28:54] <pierrot> jmcnaught: so I move them to any other location... thanks.
• 503[02:29:11] <pierrot> but it's enough to do so, or in addition should I remove that software as well?
• 504[02:29:48] <jmcnaught> pierrot: if it were me i would probably try without removing any software, though i typically don't install very much from outside of Debian's repos
• 505[02:30:17] <codebam> why is it failing to get a dhcp lease?
• 506[02:30:21] <jmcnaught> pierrot: you have a backup right? ☺
• 507[02:30:24] <codebam> and why is my dns being reset
• 508[02:30:29] <codebam> where can I look?
• 509[02:30:32] <pierrot> Yes, I've done it
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• 511[02:30:49] <jmcnaught> pierrot: then you're already miles ahead of most people
• 512[02:31:03] <jmcnaught> if you run into errors during the upgrade let us know
• 513[02:31:07] <pierrot> or I've "made" it sounds more natural than "done" I think :P
• 514[02:31:18] <pierrot> jmcnaught: heh
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• 518[02:33:40] <jmcnaught> codebam: you can watch "journalctl -f" on a terminal while you connect to the network using NM. Obviously it's verbose, but you can either watch it in screen to search the backscroll, or if you spot something use journalctl's filter options to find the message
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• 521[02:34:31] <codebam> hmm okay
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• 523[02:36:12] <jmcnaught> i would not be surprised to find that you have dnsmasq.service active if you've been experimenting
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• 537[02:50:35] <mrr0butt> lol replaced-url
• 538[02:50:53] <mrr0butt> kernel pkg missing in sid?
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• 543[02:52:22] <codebam_> the issue is with dhclient. it can't get a lease
• 544[02:52:31] <codebam_> I ran it manually, doesn't work at all
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• 546[02:52:59] <codebam_> I haven't even touched it's config, how do I fix it?
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• 548[02:53:19] <jmcnaught> codebam: are you able to see the logs of the dhcp server? If it's a consumer router it might have a logs section
• 549[02:53:24] <mrr0butt> codebam_ wireless?
• 550[02:53:37] <codebam_> yes
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• 552[02:54:01] <codebam_> mrr0butt: ^
• 553[02:54:34] <codebam_> I'm able to connect to it fine, dhclient just can't get a lease
• 554[02:55:15] <mrr0butt> dhclient -r ; dhclient -v wlan0
• 555[02:56:29] <mrr0butt> you need to disable network-manager if connecting manualy
• 556[02:56:59] <mrr0butt> boot with "net.ifnames=0" boot parameter could maybe help2
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• 558[02:58:15] <codebam_> mrr0butt: replaced-url
• 559[02:58:28] <codebam_> I can't paste, I don't have internet
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• 561[03:00:00] <jmcnaught> codebam: can you check the logs of the DHCP server somehow?
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• 564[03:00:49] <codebam_> jmcnaught: no not really, and it's not an issue with the server. my phone can connect fine
• 565[03:01:09] <jmcnaught> codebam_: for insight on why no DHCP offers are being made
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• 567[03:01:40] <codebam_> I still can't, it's just a regular router and I don't have access to DHCP logs
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• 569[03:03:06] <codebam_> it's obviously an issue with dhclient, because dhcpcd can get a lease just fine
• 570[03:03:28] <codebam_> or it could before I uninstalled it to make sure it wasn't causing any issues
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• 572[03:05:32] <mrr0butt> apt-get remove leaves the deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so you can reinstall it without inet
• 573[03:05:54] <codebam_> okay fine, but that still doesn't fix my issue
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• 575[03:06:41] <codebam_> what should I do?
• 576[03:06:58] <mrr0butt> try boot with "net.ifnames=0" boot option
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• 578[03:07:19] <codebam_> it worked without that before
• 579[03:07:30] <codebam_> I'm not wasting my time
• 580[03:08:01] <mrr0butt> never change a running system :D
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• 582[03:08:15] <codebam_> hmm?
• 583[03:08:22] <codebam_> oh
• 584[03:08:47] <jmcnaught> codebam_: the version of NM in stretch has a MAC address randomizer feature. Maybe try that? Also I have seen consumer routers with DHCP or system logs, so maybe take another look. Some of them also put limits on how many DHCP clients can have leases at one time.
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• 587[03:10:23] <codebam_> I fixed it. sort of
• 588[03:10:32] <codebam_> like it got assigned an address
• 589[03:10:50] <codebam_> I had static DHCP enabled for my mac address
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• 592[03:11:02] <codebam_> although that was working before, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't now
• 593[03:11:08] <codebam_> but meh
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• 596[03:12:28] <jmcnaught> \o/
• 597[03:13:26] <codebam_> why is dhclient not smart enough to allow the router to assign it it's own ip
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• 599[03:14:42] <jmcnaught> to me it sounds like the router was sometimes not responding with an offer
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• 602[03:15:38] <codebam_> oh hmm
• 603[03:15:53] <codebam_> it was responding with an offer when I used dhcpcd though
• 604[03:16:08] <ozzloy> jmcnaught, nvz, i sent a response email to replaced-url
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• 607[03:18:28] <ozzloy> oh there it is
• 608[03:18:33] <ozzloy> i was just impatient
• 609[03:19:57] <codebam_> I can't do static DHCP now
• 610[03:20:08] <codebam_> that's really annoying
• 611[03:20:14] <codebam_> I want to know why
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• 617[03:25:41] <dirae> Hi, when I look at my GPU in setting (debian stretch/gnome) I get that the used card is Intel (The cpu's card) not the GPU itself (AMD/ATI). How would I fix that?
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• 619[03:26:18] <codebam_> when I manually assign it an address it works, the router shows it as connected on the IP I specified, but ping says network unreachable
• 620[03:26:20] <pacha> dirae: have you installed the drivers?
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• 622[03:26:52] <dirae> pacha: yes
• 623[03:26:54] <dirae> the driver is amdgpu
• 624[03:26:57] <codebam_> and when I don't set it manually but set it inside the router, it won't take the address that the router offers
• 625[03:27:26] <codebam_> the only way to get it working is automatically assign
• 626[03:27:37] <codebam_> how do I fix it
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• 628[03:29:15] <pacha> dirae: run this: glxinfo|egrep "OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer"
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• 658[03:44:38] <jmcnaught> dirae: do you have the firmware-amd-graphics package installed?
• 659[03:45:13] <dirae> jmcnaught: yes it's installed
• 660[03:45:22] <codebam_> can I tell networkmanager to use dhcpcd instead of dhclient?
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• 662[03:46:50] <jmcnaught> dirae: did you see replaced-url
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• 664[03:48:47] <dirae> jmncaught: No, I'll try their solution!
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• 667[03:50:11] <dirae> I get: Could not find provider with name radeon?
• 668[03:51:31] <dirae> The list of my providers:Provider 0: id: 0x75 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 3 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
• 669[03:51:31] <dirae> Provider 1: id: 0x4f cap: 0xd, Source Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 0 outputs: 0 associated providers: 0 name:TOPAZ @ pci:0000:01:00.0
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• 675[03:54:03] <dirae> When I run "DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"" I get: OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD ICELAND (DRM 3.8.0 / 4.9.0-3-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
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• 688[04:01:56] <leibniz> hello
• 689[04:02:37] <leibniz> i am trying to chmod 777 /var/replaced-url
• 690[04:02:43] <leibniz> but it's not working for some reason
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• 701[04:10:40] <Arianna> What is the URL for downloading jessie DVD images via jigdo?
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• 703[04:11:26] <dvs> Arianna, where even the .jigdo file is.
• 704[04:11:27] <abrotman> leibniz: please don't do that, it's completely insecure
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• 708[04:14:30] <Arianna> I looked at replaced-url
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• 718[04:21:18] <dvs> Arianna, replaced-url
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• 722[04:23:46] <leibniz> how do i make it so i can edit the files in /var/replaced-url
• 723[04:23:48] <leibniz> ?
• 724[04:25:17] <jmcnaught> leibniz: you can add your user to the replaced-url
• 725[04:25:43] <leibniz> but then i'd have to use a / after the url
• 726[04:25:47] <jmcnaught> leibniz: chmod 777 would make everything writable by everyone, not a good policy
• 727[04:26:16] <dvs> Arianna, replaced-url
• 728[04:27:12] <leibniz> ok
• 729[04:27:30] <leibniz> well i changed the directory to the user /home/user/
• 730[04:27:33] <leibniz> or whatnot
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• 732[04:27:47] <leibniz> and that didn't seem to work
• 733[04:28:04] <leibniz> i just want to be able to edit the files in /var/replaced-url
• 734[04:28:08] <leibniz> edit add files too
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• 747[04:35:06] <leibniz> i found it
• 748[04:35:11] <leibniz> you guys couldn't help me
• 749[04:35:13] <leibniz> :O
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• 751[04:39:10] <pacha> dirae: that means that you have the AMD GPU enabled and running, what program are you using for checking out your gpu information?
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• 753[04:43:31] <dirae> pacha: settings? ^^. What a program would you recommend? and if the AMD GPU enabled why can't I get hashcat to run properly? I get clGetPlatformIDs(): CL_PLATFORM_NOT_FOUND_KHR
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• 756[04:44:45] <pacha> dirae: I think that depends on your DE/WM. I havent used Gnome too much but I dont remember a "GPU settings" option there
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• 759[04:45:48] <pacha> dirae: that output of glxinfo (which is what matters) tells you that you are running everything that needs OpenGL through your GPU. never used hashcat so no idea what that error mean
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• 765[04:47:41] <dirae> pacha: Thanks. It seems like I have to load the "amdgpu-pro" driver instead of "amdgpu"?. I downloaded the "amdgpu-pro" driver for ubuntu (no support for debian from the official amd website) and when I try to install it it says unsupport os.
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• 770[04:50:02] <pacha> but probably it has something to do with hashcat, and not related to gpus at all
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• 774[04:51:36] <qqumber> why, why should I exercise or brush my teeth? Who cares, right? We all die in the end anyway, I don't care. So why should I? I enjoy being homeless.
• 775[04:52:15] <dirae> Ok i'll try that out. Thanks!
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• 812[05:36:11] <password2> I'm so glad I finally got stable to install on my desktop
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• 814[05:37:56] <dvs> yay
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• 822[05:45:38] <hemebond> So I'm seeing `W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 824[05:45:48] <hemebond> Do I have to tell the server to update its key or something?
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• 851[05:58:11] <jmcnaught> !nmg
• 852[05:58:11] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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• 873[06:05:14] <Lyberta> hi, I'm running a debian VM using KVM/QEMU, how can I ssh into it from the host which is also debian?
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• 877[06:05:52] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: do you know the hostname or IP address of the Debian VM?
• 878[06:06:07] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, it doesn't respond to ping
• 879[06:06:22] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: are you using libvirt?
• 880[06:06:52] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, I think yes, I use virt-manager GUI to create it and run it
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• 887[06:07:26] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: yeah, that's a front-end for libvirt. Is the VM configured to use the 'default' network that libvirt automatically created?
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• 890[06:08:41] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, no, it says that it is inactive and doesn't launch with it, I selected "Host device eth0 macvtap"
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• 894[06:10:15] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: let's start with the basic default network created by libvirt. In virt-manager you can double-click on a connection (the line that says QEMU/KVM) and start the connection in the virtual networks tab.
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• 897[06:11:16] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: then change the network source of the NIC device (in the details for the VM) to the virtual network: default
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• 899[06:11:45] <jmcnaught> ,i libnss-libvirt
• 900[06:11:47] <judd> Package libnss-libvirt (libs, extra) in stretch/amd64: nss plugin providing IP add ress resolution for virtual machines. Version: 3.0.0-4; Size: 157.8k; Installed: 356k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 901[06:12:18] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: and install the libnss-libvirt package described above on the host
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• 907[06:13:31] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, done
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• 910[06:14:58] <Lyberta> what's next?
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• 924[06:23:45] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: look at /etc/nsswitch.conf on the host, confirm that libvirt is on the hosts line
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• 926[06:24:21] <hemebond> Yay, cloudfront is fixed.
• 927[06:26:02] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: then restart the VM, if its network interface is configured, you should be able to resolve the hostname of the VM
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• 931[06:26:59] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: replaced-url
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• 941[06:29:58] <ofg|brtr> I want to beautify my bash prompt. I found airline bash prompt called promptline. Are there any similar things around for tweaking coloring hello and other fancy stuff for bash prompt?
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• 945[06:33:27] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, I don't see libvirt in nsswitch.conf, here's the line: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
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• 948[06:35:46] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: add libvirt between [NOTFOUND=return] and dns
• 949[06:35:49] <TomG2> ofg|brtr, i'd search the web in general, or uhm apt-cache search
• 950[06:36:03] <TomG2> ofg|brtr, there are archives of configuration files on the web
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• 953[06:36:12] <TomG2> at least there used to be, i think
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• 955[06:36:36] <ofg|brtr> TomG2: could you be any specific?
• 956[06:36:39] <ofg|brtr> name?
• 957[06:36:43] <ofg|brtr> where it was?
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• 959[06:37:27] <TomG2> no, i don't remember. i probably am not helping at all
• 960[06:37:58] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, added, so how do I resolve now?
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• 965[06:39:59] <jmcnaught> you cannot resolve the hostname of the VM?
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• 967[06:40:28] <VentGrey> Hello Im the kernel guy that was here like 4 hours ago
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• 969[06:41:28] <VentGrey> I tried to build the kernel with this command : make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-falcot KDEB_PKGVERSION=$(make kernelversion)-1
• 970[06:41:57] <VentGrey> It finished with no errors but i cannot find my .deb packages anywhere, they are not installed nor deleted
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• 978[06:47:39] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, I don't know how
• 979[06:48:18] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: resolve just means that the hostname gets translated automatically to the IP address by whatever program you're using
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• 981[06:48:47] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: does "ssh lyberta@hostnameofvm" work?
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• 983[06:49:15] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, ah yes, I didn't know it works this way
• 984[06:49:35] <peterrooney> VentGrey: try ``ls ..''
• 985[06:50:22] <VentGrey> I found them in the trashbin
• 986[06:50:45] <VentGrey> of a certain user >~> that shouldn't have a trashbin
• 987[06:52:28] <Lyberta> jmcnaught, alright, that works. now is there a way to use libvirt as non-root? a disk image and CD-ROM images I used became owned by root
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• 993[06:54:48] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: add your user account to the libvirt group "adduser lyberta libvirt"
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• 1012[07:03:29] <tripkin> Sometime back I upgraded from mysql to mariadb to resolve some issues. At the time, I chose to upgrade to mariadb-10.2 and so I used the repo information at mariadb.org. I want to drop back to v10.1 so I can use the debian repos instead. I have stopped and purged 10.2, removed the repo from sources.list.d, but apt policy still shows 10.2 and no installation candidates for 10.1. Any ideas on how I can fix this, short of reinstalling?
• 1013[07:03:29] <tripkin> Any help would be appreciated!
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• 1021[07:07:04] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 1022[07:07:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1024[07:07:13] <jmcnaught> tripkin: can you provide the above please?
• 1025[07:07:51] <tripkin> jmcnaught, I will do it right now.
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• 1037[07:14:55] <tripkin> jmcnaught, it looks like 10.2 is gone now, but 10.1 is still not a candidate... replaced-url
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• 1040[07:16:54] <jmcnaught> ,v mariadb-server
• 1041[07:16:55] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; stretch: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; buster: 10.1.24-6; sid: 10.1.24-6; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2
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• 1043[07:17:37] <tripkin> Ah. Thanks. For some reason I was under the impression that 10.1 was available now in Jessie.
• 1044[07:17:37] <jmcnaught> tripkin: it looks like you're still on jessie which has 10.0, you need to upgrade to stretch to get 10.1
• 1045[07:17:56] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 1046[07:18:13] <tripkin> Fantastic! Thanks for your jelp jmcnaught. I will look that up.
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• 1092[07:41:31] <sadf> hi
• 1093[07:41:57] <sadf> i´d like to know if smb encryption will be backported to stretch... anybody knows?
• 1094[07:41:58] <sadf> replaced-url
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• 1132[08:01:49] <GJdan> Having issues trying to sort out a dns leak while dabbling with PIA
• 1133[08:02:24] <GJdan> it seems the dns entries in my ASUS router are being leaked no matter what I do on my rig
• 1134[08:02:44] <GJdan> using openvpn to connect
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• 1137[08:04:46] <GJdan> I've tried playing with all the openresolv and systemd-resolved up down scripts before realizing that the router's DNS entries seem to get used no matter what resolv.conf says (the ones in resolv.conf get used as well)
• 1138[08:04:48] <sadf> will linux 4.11 be backported to stretch?
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• 1170[08:25:24] <unborn> does anyone know how to turn this on ? replaced-url
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• 1172[08:26:16] <iodev> unborn: oh that looks like a gnome 3 extension
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• 1185[08:32:15] <unborn> iodev: i think its build into gnome
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• 1187[08:32:48] <jmcnaught> it looks like the system tray in GNOME 3.22
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• 1219[08:53:05] <unborn> yeah.. Im on older version so i guess only 3.22+ have that
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• 1221[08:54:22] <jmcnaught> the version of GNOME in jessie does not have that, it has the message bar at the bottom that pops up when you mouse down
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• 1252[09:10:20] <ofg|brtr> How could I block all incomming traffic from a domain name to my server with IPTABLES? consider the domain name in question (that I want it gone) is wickeddomain.num for example.
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• 1258[09:13:22] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s host.domain.com -j DROP
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• 1260[09:13:43] <sleepyhead> not sure whether iptables can do dns lookups. if yo know the webserver's ip then just do this
• 1261[09:13:58] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s ip.addr.e.ss -j DROP
• 1262[09:14:35] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: by host.domain.com i mean wickeddomain.num
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• 1271[09:17:05] <ofg|brtr> sleepyhead: by the last answer; I solved the problem but that I have another question. does it block or say DROP all the variants replaced-url
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• 1274[09:17:43] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: not unless you add additional rules for those domains. if they are all on one ip address then an ip rule alone will suffice.
• 1275[09:18:00] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: once again i'm not sure iptables will do a dns lookup. i've only ever blocked ips
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• 1278[09:19:05] <f-a> my laptop wasn't resuming after I sent it to sleep, even after rebooting. I fixed it by adding `noresume` in the boot parameters.
• 1279[09:19:47] <f-a> my question: I do believe/think `noresume` should be default in recovery mode, where should I report the suggestion? grub?
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• 1283[09:21:37] <ofg|brtr> sleepyhead: right now all are on one ip address. then what would be the revised IPTABLES command with IP address instead of the domain?
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• 1285[09:21:53] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: yep
• 1286[09:22:01] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s ip.addr.e.ss -j DROP
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• 1289[09:22:38] <ofg|brtr> sleepyhead: I or A? should go at the top of the IPTABLES?
• 1290[09:22:55] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: 'I' will put it to the top. 'A' will put it at the bottom
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• 1295[09:24:05] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: do you have iptables-persistent installed? if not install that package to persist these changes across reboot
• 1296[09:24:32] <sleepyhead> ofg|brtr: also do a `dpkg-reconfigure iptables-persistent` to save the rules any time you make changes.
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• 1307[09:29:10] <HornyNegress> Hello
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• 1327[09:37:58] <sleepyhead> hi
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• 1335[09:40:33] <Mahe> hey
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• 1344[09:43:51] <HornyNegress> I'm a negress
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• 1346[09:43:59] <HornyNegress> anyone ever heard that word before?
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• 1349[09:44:09] <HornyNegress> it's the feminine form of "nigger"
• 1350[09:44:15] <jmcnaught> !ops HornyNegress
• 1351[09:44:15] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: HornyNegress
• 1352[09:44:30] <HornyNegress> !ops jmcnaught
• 1353[09:44:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: hornynegress complains about: jmcnaught
• 1354[09:44:39] <HornyNegress> what's the purpose of dpkg?
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• 1357[09:44:53] <HornyNegress> seems like a publicly triggerable mass-ping spambot
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• 1359[09:44:54] *** babilen sets mode: +b *!*@192.200.120.52
• 1360[09:44:54] *** HornyNegress was kicked by babilen (you should know better)
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• 1362[09:45:04] <babilen> jmcnaught: ta
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• 1367[09:48:11] <meldron> hi guys, on my debian jessie system two ethernet interfaces get renamed by udev (eth1->eth3 & wlan0 -> wlan2), does anybody know why this could happen?
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• 1378[09:55:13] <rudi_s> meldron: persistent-rules? Renamed when?
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• 1384[09:58:25] <jelly> babilen, moved that +b to a more appropriate place
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• 1386[10:00:31] <meldron> rudi_s: thanks found some rules added to /etc/udev/rules.d/010_netinterfaces.rules
• 1387[10:00:59] <rudi_s> np
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• 1402[10:10:37] <Guest75842> Hello all
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• 1405[10:12:52] <Guest75842> I would like to install a specific version of openjdk-8-jr_headless (openjdk-8-jre-headless: Installed: 8u111-b14-2~bpo8+1)
• 1406[10:13:12] <Guest75842> i added backport default on debian8
• 1407[10:13:18] <Guest75842> but can't found it
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• 1410[10:14:50] <petn-randall> ,v openjdk-8-jre-headless
• 1411[10:14:52] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1; buster: 8u131-b11-2; stretch: 8u131-b11-2; sid: 8u131-b11-2
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• 1413[10:15:19] <petn-randall> Guest75842: You can find a newer version in jessie-backports.
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• 1427[10:23:45] <Aebian> ln -s what was the syntax again? <target? <source> right? I tried 'man ln' but its not listed there or I'm to dumb to read the manual lol
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• 1431[10:24:30] <rudi_s> Aebian: src dst
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• 1433[10:25:05] <rudi_s> (The problem is that the TARGET in the man page refers to the link-TARGET, which is where the link will point to.)
• 1434[10:25:05] <sleepyhead> Aebian: destination is optional
• 1435[10:25:21] <rudi_s> It helps to think of cp which has the same order of arguments.
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• 1437[10:26:12] <jelly> cp has the opposite order
• 1438[10:27:05] <jelly> either "ln -s where-to-put-symlink original-path" or just "ln -s original-path"
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• 1440[10:28:05] <jelly> oh, I'm wrong
• 1441[10:28:06] <Aebian> jelly: rly? I mean cp <S> T<T> 'cp /stuff/to/copy /place/to/store
• 1442[10:28:22] <petn-randall> it's 'ln -s file-i-want-to-link-to link-i-want-to-create'
• 1443[10:28:27] <jelly> yes
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• 1445[10:29:27] <colo-work> can anyone recommend a howto/guide on setting up nfs4 (without kerberos) on Debian Stretch?
• 1446[10:29:44] <Aebian> ah gotcha so ln -s .irssi/scripts/blabla.pl .irssi/scripts/autorun/blabbla.pl
• 1447[10:29:46] <Aebian> ok
• 1448[10:30:36] <jelly> ln -fs ../blabla.pl .irssi/scripts/autorun/blabbla.pl
• 1449[10:30:53] <jelly> or even (cd .irssi/scripts/autorun; ln -s ../bla<TAB>)
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• 1452[10:31:35] <sleepyhead> be careful -f means remove destination files.
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• 1454[10:32:20] <Aebian> yeah I just did it out of ~ so that works fine
• 1455[10:34:56] <jelly> Aebian, that command would not do what you wanted it to, but
• 1456[10:34:57] <jelly> ln -s .irssi/scripts/blabla.pl .irssi/scripts/autorun/blabbla.pl
• 1457[10:35:04] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jelly jelly 24 Srp 5 10:34 .irssi/scripts/autorun/blabbla.pl -> .irssi/scripts/blabla.pl
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• 1461[10:35:47] <Aebian> hmm I see
• 1462[10:35:57] <jelly> symlink is dereferenced from its directory, so that would point to .irssi/scripts/autorun/.irssi/scripts/blabla.pl
• 1463[10:36:30] <Aebian> its not a absolute path
• 1464[10:36:32] <Aebian> hmm yeah
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• 1469[10:37:58] <jelly> either an absolute path for source, or correct one relative to destination's directory
• 1470[10:38:10] <jelly> so... ln -s ../blabla.pl .irssi/scripts/autorun/blabbla.pl
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• 1475[10:39:50] <Aebian> I just cd'ed into ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun and did a ln -s ../scriptname.pl from there
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• 1489[10:49:44] <TheWild> hello
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• 1491[10:50:31] <TheWild> my yesterday Debian installation on SD card is finally running after fixing the GRUB under another Linux.
• 1492[10:51:29] <bolt> congratulations
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• 1498[10:56:00] <onee-chan> hi
• 1499[10:56:24] <onee-chan> is Buster gonna get a new kernel any time soon?
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• 1501[10:57:33] <petn-randall> onee-chan: Probably, but there are no ETAs.
• 1502[10:57:49] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1503[10:57:51] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
• 1504[10:57:51] <judd> (3.2.89-2)
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• 1506[10:58:13] <TheWild> hell, Debian worked for a while and crashed to completely black screen, without blinking cursor. Sometimes it reads/writes something to SD card.
• 1507[10:58:40] <onee-chan> amd64 is still on kernel 4.9
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• 1509[11:00:13] <meldron> hey guys anybody else with gdm black screen after lockout (i tried with different window manager: gnome, i3)?
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• 1511[11:00:55] <petn-randall> onee-chan: I see 4.11 there.
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• 1513[11:01:39] <onee-chan> replaced-url
• 1514[11:01:40] <meldron> forgot to mention i am running jessie
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• 1523[11:03:11] <cwood> jessie->stretch
• 1524[11:03:31] <TheWild> going to console via Ctrl+Alt+F3, logging in, doing stuff then typing exit crashes the system. What the...? Is that intentional?
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• 1527[11:04:52] <jmcnaught> TheWild: crashes the system, like it reboots?
• 1528[11:05:46] <TheWild> no, previously it completely hung the system; this time hung, but I was able to gracefully shut it down by power button.
• 1529[11:06:17] <jmcnaught> TheWild: you are unable to switch to other virtual consoles?
• 1530[11:06:25] <TheWild> yup
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• 1532[11:06:36] <bolt> TheWild: are you sure your sd card is good?
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• 1536[11:06:48] <boser> !info
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• 1539[11:07:04] <jmcnaught> TheWild: can you find anything about it in /var/log/syslog after you reboot?
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• 1544[11:09:35] <bolt> jmcnaught: in the case of a possibly bad card, having logs elsewhere is golden. either remote rsyslogging or a usb stick for logs
• 1545[11:09:42] <bolt> TheWild: --^
• 1546[11:09:44] <bolt> oops
• 1547[11:09:48] <pesho> Hello
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• 1549[11:10:06] <bolt> !greet pesho
• 1550[11:10:06] <dpkg> G'day, pesho
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• 1552[11:10:28] <pesho> With who I need to talk about Verifying authenticity of Debian CDs?
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• 1554[11:10:52] <jmcnaught> what about it?
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• 1556[11:11:37] <TheWild> quite hard to read the syslog having just cat, tail and nano
• 1557[11:11:41] <pesho> jmcnaught there is options to verify in the Debian's site but not a single instruction how to do it
• 1558[11:11:45] <TheWild> but I can't spot any seriuos errors
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• 1560[11:11:57] <bolt> pesho: replaced-url
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• 1563[11:12:57] <pesho> bolt THis is what I mena
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• 1565[11:13:12] <pesho> I read it but I don't know how to do it
• 1566[11:14:32] <pesho> With who I need to talk about to ask to instruct me how to do the check?
• 1567[11:14:36] <bolt> pesho: it tells you to use sha256sum or sha512sum
• 1568[11:14:45] <bolt> pesho: those tools are pretty self explanatory
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• 1573[11:15:14] <bolt> pesho: feed them your iso or the path to your dvdrom with the disc in it
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• 1575[11:15:36] <pesho> bolt I'm on Windows 7 and I don't know how to perform sha256sum or sha512sum
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• 1577[11:16:08] <bolt> pesho: you can use powershell's Get-FileHash
• 1578[11:16:16] <bolt> pesho: ..or cygwin
• 1579[11:16:35] <bolt> pesho: or any tool google shows you for sha256sum windows. i'm sure someone compiled it.
• 1580[11:16:52] <pesho> bolt I know what is powershell but I don't know cygwin. Did I need to download cygwin
• 1581[11:17:06] <bolt> pesho: powershell will do fine
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• 1583[11:17:51] <pesho> bolt so I need to type in powershell bar............ Get-FileHash nameofiso.iso
• 1584[11:18:17] <bolt> pesho: get-help get-filehash
• 1585[11:18:29] <venkat_330> pesho: replaced-url
• 1586[11:18:34] <bolt> pesho: powershell is kind of out of the scope of this channel though. and google would help you.
• 1587[11:20:09] <pesho> Thank you. bolt venkat_330 Aftre I get the sum I need to compare it with what?
• 1588[11:20:22] <sleepyhead> pesho: with the value in the SHA256SUMS file
• 1589[11:20:33] <bolt> pesho: replaced-url
• 1590[11:20:35] <sleepyhead> pesho: you also have to check the gpg sig of that file.
• 1591[11:20:35] <pesho> Thank you
• 1592[11:20:39] <bolt> pesho: it tells you the sums are right next to the images
• 1593[11:20:44] <sleepyhead> pesho: now that'll be fun on Windows
• 1594[11:20:51] <bolt> cygwin :)
• 1595[11:20:56] <OxOO> I'm considering buying this laser printer "HP LaserJet Pro M402dne" ( replaced-url
• 1596[11:21:05] <sleepyhead> OxOO: yep
• 1597[11:21:15] <sleepyhead> OxOO: hp printers have excellent linux compatibility
• 1598[11:21:32] <pesho> bolt Did I need to download cygwin? sleepyhead I don't know how to check the gpg
• 1599[11:21:34] <OxOO> :-). awesome. thanks sleepyhead
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• 1602[11:22:00] <sleepyhead> pesho: google "checking gpg sig on windows"
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• 1604[11:22:12] <pesho> sleepyhead ok
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• 1606[11:22:37] <bolt> pesho: not that security isn't a good thing, but why are you so concerned about the images? did you verify the checksums of your windows image after grabbing it from msdn or wherever?
• 1607[11:22:42] <sleepyhead> pesho: you don't need cygwin btw
• 1608[11:22:55] <sleepyhead> bolt: those are delivered over ssl
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• 1610[11:23:08] <sleepyhead> bolt: and ms doesn't publish the checksums so you can't do that even if you wanted to
• 1611[11:23:27] <bolt> sleepyhead: i've seen checksums on msdn i believe
• 1612[11:23:41] <pesho> bolt If it wasn't important I won't go to Debian instead to stay on WIndows
• 1613[11:23:48] <pesho> sleepyhead ok
• 1614[11:23:51] <sleepyhead> bolt: ok then i'm wrong there. you can actually just download teh windows iso. anyone can. it's free
• 1615[11:24:00] <sleepyhead> bolt: i mean even if you don't have msdn access
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• 1617[11:24:22] <bolt> sleepyhead: also, ssl is no guarantee the image hasn't been tampered with. it just kind of insures you're not having a man in the middle.
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• 1620[11:24:57] <bolt> that is if your root certs are up to date and none have been stolen without people finding out about it
• 1621[11:25:03] <sleepyhead> bolt: it's the best you can do with a windows image. like i said if you download it from microsoft (not msdn) then you don't get checksums or gpg sigs. you only have the ssl guarantee.
• 1622[11:25:21] <sleepyhead> bolt: my root certs are not secret
• 1623[11:25:37] <sleepyhead> bolt: they come with the OS and the browser.
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• 1625[11:26:27] <sleepyhead> bolt: btw ssl connections are encrypted so they can't be tampered with in transit. they could have been tampered with at MS' end though.
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• 1629[11:27:02] <bolt> sleepyhead: i mean that no root ca's have had their private keys stolen
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• 1631[11:27:21] <bolt> sleepyhead: and if they had, you could perfectly well tamper with an ssl connection
• 1632[11:27:40] <bolt> sleepyhead: ..which is why you have to have up to date root certs and hope none have been stolen
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• 1634[11:28:19] <sleepyhead> bolt: i rely on OS vendor to handle that
• 1635[11:28:33] <bolt> sleepyhead: many people do
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• 1638[11:29:16] <bolt> sleepyhead: several browsers use their own stores though, so if you're downloading via one of those, the os vendor has no say in the matter
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• 1642[11:29:55] <sleepyhead> bolt: i use linux so the OS vendor provides me with the browser and updates to it too
• 1643[11:30:27] <bolt> sleepyhead: let's hope they know about any stolen root certificate then :)
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• 1645[11:32:09] <pesho> bolt things are like that
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• 1647[11:33:06] <pesho> bolt vendors should do the job because not everybody knows everything and it's impossible for most part of the population
• 1648[11:34:00] <bolt> i know they're like that. but it was argued that ssl connections implied security, and i wanted to raise a few counter points.
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• 1650[11:34:19] <pesho> users which are concerned about that hope that vendors did the job
• 1651[11:34:43] <pesho> bolt nothing is secure until somebody check it.
• 1652[11:35:29] <pesho> even ssl. Sorry for the decomposed comment
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• 1654[11:35:45] <onee-chan> nothing is secure
• 1655[11:36:01] <bolt> --^
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• 1657[11:36:48] <onee-chan> Unless perhaps you bury your pc under 2m of concrete.
• 1658[11:37:31] <bolt> that doesn't work to keep fibre cables out of harm's way, so i doubt it would help a pc
• 1659[11:38:02] <pesho> I asked about checking the integrity because this is the way to check for man in the middle. In other words did somebody change the iso while it coming to you
• 1660[11:38:25] <onee-chan> And that is cool.
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• 1662[11:39:44] <pesho> If downloade iso is that you ask to download it means it isn't changed not iso is secure
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• 1664[11:40:01] <bolt> sub-zero, even
• 1665[11:40:20] <pesho> I don't know what is sub zero
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• 1667[11:40:42] <bolt> generally cooler than cool
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• 1669[11:40:59] <pesho> :D ok
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• 1678[11:45:21] <pesho> if there is still somebody who knows more than me about Debian gpg and checking it a qustion to him or to them. If I'm going to check gpg with what compare it?
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• 1686[11:48:17] <Iridos> that's bizarre. I cannot see any images on replaced-url
• 1687[11:48:28] <Iridos> the page loads fine in chromium, though
• 1688[11:48:50] <sleepyhead> pesho: i don't know how it's done in windows but i do know how gpg works so if you have a question you should just ask.
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• 1690[11:49:01] <Iridos> I've also tried a 2nd FF profile that I rarely use for testing with the same result
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• 1692[11:49:55] <sleepyhead> Iridos: maybe they've blocked your IP address user agent combo. that's why it works with chromium and not with firefox
• 1693[11:50:08] <sleepyhead> Iridos: use one of those user agent string modification addons in firefox. or a proxy.
• 1694[11:50:19] <pesho> sleepyhead you told me to not only check shasum but even gpg. I google what you said and I find a program but if this program shows something I'd need to compare it with something
• 1695[11:51:04] <Iridos> I switched user agent to the one of chromium and that doesn't change anything
• 1696[11:51:18] <sleepyhead> Iridos: well it was just a theory
• 1697[11:51:25] <Iridos> anyway, why would they do that
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• 1699[11:51:50] <sleepyhead> Iridos: because the last person who got your IP did something malicious. Does your ISP assign IPs dynamically from a pool?
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• 1701[11:52:17] <Iridos> my IP is static
• 1702[11:52:23] <sleepyhead> Iridos: good for you.
• 1703[11:52:32] <sleepyhead> Iridos: carry on. i'm out of ideas.
• 1704[11:52:33] <Iridos> work pc at university
• 1705[11:53:16] <Iridos> well, someone could try dell.com with firefox in jessie from somewhere else
• 1706[11:53:23] <sleepyhead> pesho: idk what to say. you add the debian signing key to your key ring. then you run gpg on the signature for that sha256sum file. if it says the sig was good then you are ok.
• 1707[11:53:41] <sleepyhead> pesho: i'm honestly not sure how you would do that on windows. you really need to learn to google this stuff.
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• 1709[11:55:26] <Iridos> hm, maybe I should upgrade, there's a newer one
• 1710[11:55:37] <pesho> sleepyhead I go to replaced-url
• 1711[11:56:14] <sleepyhead> pesho: forget about it mate. just post the iso name and the sha256sum you got here. i will check it and tell you if its correct. happy?
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• 1717[11:57:58] <pesho> yes but only if you're still online because this machine is laptop and laptop doesn't have a chance to burn. So I need to wait a family member to get out of the desktop pc to sit and to burn
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• 1722[11:58:26] <sleepyhead> pesho: sorry i can't help you with this. maybe somebody else has experience with windows and gpg.
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• 1724[11:58:48] <pesho> sleepyhead if you're not online according to me I'd do a magic if I made everything
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• 1731[12:00:06] <pesho> sleepyhead ok. If I don't find anybody I'll try with magic
• 1732[12:00:20] <sleepyhead> pesho: the key is this one: DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B
• 1733[12:00:51] <pesho> sleepyhead thank you for that
• 1734[12:01:12] <sleepyhead> pesho: if you were using linux it would simply be a case of grabbing teh key like this: `gpg --recv-keys 0xDF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B`
• 1735[12:01:35] <sleepyhead> pesho: then you verify the SHA256SUM file like this `gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS.txt`
• 1736[12:01:56] <sleepyhead> pesho: obviously you need to download SHA256SUM.txt and SHA256SUMS.sign first
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• 1738[12:02:17] <sleepyhead> pesho: non of this helps you on windows though because like i said a million times already I HAVE NO CLUE HOW WINDOWS WORKS
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• 1742[12:02:42] <th0r> sleepyhead, have they fixed it? does windows work now?
• 1743[12:02:53] <sleepyhead> th0r: i'm sure it does. just not for me
• 1744[12:03:40] <pesho> sleepyhead according to me even some of the programers in Microsoft don't know how windows works. I'm not a linux user and I'll made my first steps with Debian.
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• 1746[12:04:09] <strk> where's the default password for mariadb database ?
• 1747[12:04:11] <pesho> sleepyhead Are you an Debian user?
• 1748[12:04:28] <sleepyhead> pesho: no i use opensuse
• 1749[12:04:34] <pesho> thor windows is going from worse to worse
• 1750[12:04:47] <sleepyhead> pesho: i use debian on my vps though
• 1751[12:04:51] <Ke> strk: no password, if you connect as root
• 1752[12:05:11] <pesho> sleepyhead WHat is vps?
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• 1754[12:05:25] <sleepyhead> pesho: it's a slice of the resources of a larger computer
• 1755[12:05:33] <sleepyhead> pesho: a slice of a server's resources
• 1756[12:05:45] <onee-chan> I remember hearing some ranting suipposed Windows developer about how bad the windows codebase is on some IRC...
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• 1761[12:06:31] <pesho> sleepyhead clear. I saw that Debian and openSUSE are for advenced users but Ubuntu isn't better according to me
• 1762[12:06:31] <Ke> onee-chan: any big codebase contains stuff that should not see the light of day
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• 1764[12:07:54] <sleepyhead> pesho: opensuse is actually pretty user friendly. i wouldn't say it is for advanced users. it's a desktop distro.
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• 1766[12:09:06] <onee-chan> Ke true, but if what he said is correct, then their whole workflow is destroyed because of their overengineered codebase.
• 1767[12:09:50] <pesho> onee-chan I heared from an exemployee of windows that windows isn't focused to make the operating system better for users but focused on take as much money as microsoft can from users of windows and other microsoft products
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• 1769[12:10:09] <strk> Ke: doesn't look like it, but --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf works fine
• 1770[12:10:39] <onee-chan> pesho ofc. that is true.
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• 1772[12:11:15] <zOthix> what is a frame pointer?
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• 1777[12:12:40] <bolt> zOthix: a copy of the stack pointer for the frame below
• 1778[12:12:50] <bolt> zOthix: the return address
• 1779[12:13:08] <zOthix> ouh, thanks!
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• 1808[12:27:28] <xk> debian 9 is a mature version, but there's a serious problem. firefox is messed up.
• 1809[12:27:35] <xk> I just found that out
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• 1811[12:27:56] <petn-randall> !ask
• 1812[12:27:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1814[12:28:18] <petn-randall> xk: Can you describe the problem? See above. ^^^
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• 1822[12:30:12] <xk> petn-randall, it chews lots of swap spaces and sometimes stucks for seconds, and sometimes freezes, and there's no refresh button, but after I downloaded ff from their site all of the problems have gone.
• 1823[12:30:57] <xk> you know what's like when swap spaces are being used, I at first thought my harddrive is dying.
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• 1825[12:31:17] <petn-randall> xk: I can't reproduce any of those issues, and I'm running stretch with firefox.
• 1826[12:31:22] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1827[12:31:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1829[12:32:13] <petn-randall> xk: Can you provide the info above? Steps 2+3, with 'firefox-esr' as the package.
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• 1831[12:32:26] <xk> petn-randall, really? maybe because you have a bigger memory. but for me, that's the case. original ff is better than pre-installed one.
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• 1834[12:33:38] <xk> hey I m not whining or blaming for something, I m just saying this so that maybe you can pay attention and make it better.
• 1835[12:34:47] <xk> petn-randall, I already purged firefox-esr.
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• 1837[12:35:35] <petn-randall> xk: How can we make it better if we don't have anything to debug on?
• 1838[12:35:39] <xk> and I really appreciate all the hard work debian developers have done
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• 1840[12:36:14] <xk> petn-randall, well but why do any changes to ff then ?
• 1841[12:36:48] <petn-randall> xk: Did you check if there are any?
• 1842[12:37:12] <xk> petn-randall, yeah, like I said, there's no refresh button on the troublehsooting page.
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• 1845[12:39:02] <xk> I m sorry maybe this is inapproporate for me to say this at here. I just got excited to solve the very annoying problem of my own. I mean no offense at all
• 1846[12:39:20] <xk> inappropriate
• 1847[12:40:15] <xk> sometimes I m really stupid.
• 1848[12:40:25] <xk> pls forgive me.
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• 1850[12:40:53] <xk> see you guys.
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• 1854[12:42:13] <petn-randall> xk: I'm pretty sure the refresh button is also missing in upstream Firefox ESR. I would be surprised if Debian patched that out.
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• 1859[12:44:59] <missmbob> i'm not sure debian would be *allowed* to. we can do minor things but i think that'd be too much
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• 1940[13:35:36] <bnw> Seems this bug has not been fixed, d-i preseed broken with apt-cacher-ng mirror: replaced-url
• 1941[13:35:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1945[13:37:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1997[14:01:19] <awal1> how to emulate middle mouse button clic on touchpad?
• 1998[14:01:56] <awal1> i tried a few stuff with synclient but no luck
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• 2000[14:01:59] <sonOfRa> awal1: My touchpad has buttons, and if I click the left AND right button at the same time, that sends a middle click
• 2001[14:02:13] <shtrb> you can confgiure it on DE level (two fingers)
• 2002[14:02:25] <sonOfRa> Not sure how to do it with a touchpad without buttons
• 2003[14:02:59] <shtrb> sonOfRa , check your DE , 'KDE' has that option
• 2004[14:03:44] <shtrb> you also have "regions" on it that can be configured
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• 2007[14:04:04] <awal1> son0fRa, nice pressing left and right buttons at same time does the job without editing any stuff
• 2008[14:04:12] <awal1> thanks
• 2009[14:04:24] <awal1> thanks guys, problem solved
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• 2011[14:04:33] <sonOfRa> shtrb: yeah, it's likely possible, but I'm used to the buttons anyhow. I bet it's somewhere in GNOME as well
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• 2013[14:04:52] <shtrb> sorry , I meant to say that for awal1
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• 2015[14:05:07] <awal1> shtrb, i just run wm's, no DE, but thanks
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• 2017[14:05:34] <shtrb> in that case xorg and fdi to the rescue
• 2018[14:06:28] <awal1> xorg config, i guess yeah. but for now left+right buttons is ok
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• 2027[14:10:59] <tharkun> A new install is asking from a missing firmware files b43/ucode15.fw what is the package to download and where can I download it from. Its been a while since I laste poked at the Debian website.
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• 2029[14:11:29] <shtrb> you can install the bcm firmware
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• 2031[14:12:02] <tharkun> shtrb: shure, where do I download it from?
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• 2033[14:12:14] <tharkun> packages.debian.org changed a lot lately.
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• 2035[14:12:50] <BluesKaj> tharkun, which b43 chip ?
• 2036[14:12:52] <shtrb> you may need to install the legacy driver (replaced-url
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• 2038[14:13:07] <shtrb> you need to identify your card (because it's either that or the legacy)
• 2039[14:13:43] <tharkun> shtrb: it sounds about right.
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• 2041[14:14:15] <venkat_330> what happen when "save for session password" is selected password prompt, Where does store and which service stores that. need some input
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• 2044[14:15:59] <denisbr> venkat_330, in the browser?
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• 2047[14:17:26] <venkat_330> denisbr: for Linux application "GKSU"
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• 2050[14:20:25] <denisbr> venkat_330, Ok, Sorry, I can´t help you with it
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• 2052[14:22:04] <tharkun> How do I unpack the .deb file?
• 2053[14:23:46] <danwellby> what version of grub is installed with debian 9?
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• 2055[14:24:07] <denisbr> tharkun, you can use following ar command:
• 2056[14:24:08] <denisbr> ar x example.deb
• 2057[14:24:21] <denisbr> or dpkg -x package.deb /tmp/out
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• 2064[14:27:48] <towo^work> danwellby, 2.02~beta3-5
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• 2066[14:28:26] <tharkun> denisbr: Thanks
• 2067[14:29:06] <danwellby> thank you towo^work
• 2068[14:29:18] <denisbr> tharkun, you are welcome
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• 2075[14:33:42] <TheAvatar> Say I have a remote ssl tunnel that ends up on my server at localhost:5080. How would I access that remotely from my windows machine, that is on the same subnet as the server? I figured an ssh tunnel in putty could do the trick?
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• 2101[14:42:25] <bolt> TheAvatar: if you want SSH to listen to a port on your box and allow other machines in the network to access that port, look into the GatewayPorts option in sshd
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• 2108[14:47:03] <TheAvatar> bolt, okay, thanks - will do that
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• 2116[14:48:53] <Iridos> TheAvatar, probably… don't see why one shouldn't be able to chain forwards… except that it's a bit … iffy or even… mucky ^^
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• 2124[14:55:39] <oo_miguel> I have a BACKUP partition locally which i would like to sync to an remote server. however I
• 2125[14:55:42] <oo_miguel> would like to encrypt the remote data since the server is not physically under my control.
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• 2128[14:55:45] <oo_miguel> is such a setup possible and if yes, where should I start?
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• 2140[14:59:23] <OS-26293> Hi
• 2141[14:59:30] <youngvision> Hi
• 2142[14:59:34] <oo_miguel> hi
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• 2147[15:01:32] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: I would create a LUKS container, put the data in there, and push the container file onto the remote server.
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• 2149[15:02:08] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Maybe even a version where the LUKS header is not synced over, too. Then you just need to keep the LUKS header backed up locally, you can have a few USB sticks for that.
• 2150[15:02:09] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: would this also work with incremental backups?
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• 2153[15:02:26] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: sure, inside the container is just a normal filesystem.
• 2154[15:02:45] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Would make sense if you can rsync the file, or access it directly.
• 2155[15:03:41] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: sounds good, I'll have a look at this. thank you!
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• 2175[15:13:49] <dave102> how do i generate a sha1 for data stored in a file generated per line ?
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• 2177[15:14:17] <dave102> im trying 'cat file.txt | xargs openssl sha1'
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• 2180[15:14:33] <tx> xargs -L
• 2181[15:14:43] <tx> sets max lines per right-side command
• 2182[15:14:50] <tx> so xargs -L1
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• 2184[15:15:44] <dave102> tx: i get "no such file or directory" for each line in the file cattted to the screen
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• 2186[15:15:53] <tx> hmm, what about -n1
• 2187[15:16:05] <dave102> same
• 2188[15:16:09] <tx> if that doesn't work use an if statement
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• 2190[15:16:14] <abrotman> there is a sha1sum command ?
• 2191[15:16:21] <dave102> at the end it says "xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option"
• 2192[15:16:22] <tx> while read -r line; do sha1 $line; done
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• 2194[15:16:46] <tx> abrotman: yes
• 2195[15:16:51] <abrotman> dave102: and you probably would get a better answer from #bash
• 2196[15:16:59] <petn-randall> tx: sha1 isn't a command.
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• 2198[15:18:10] <abrotman> sha1sum is
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• 2200[15:19:00] <dave102> ok thanks
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• 2227[15:34:16] <Resiliente> hello toeveryone, I have installed a few days ago debian and it did not ask me about how to configure the internal mail system with exim, how I shoudl do that?
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• 2230[15:35:02] <petn-randall> Resiliente: What do you want to change?
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• 2236[15:36:31] <Resiliente> petn-randall, mmmm I want to know 3 things: how can I acces the internal emaill (mutt maybe?) and how can I configure/reconfigure the system, and where is the actual configuration stored
• 2237[15:36:43] <youngvision> Resiliente: You can try : dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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• 2239[15:37:10] <Resiliente> young that answers the question 2
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• 2241[15:37:22] <b4d> Hi, how can I disable and remove auditd?
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• 2243[15:38:25] <youngvision> the configuration file is located at /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
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• 2249[15:39:43] <tharkun> Resiliente: What do you want to do with the internal mail server?
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• 2254[15:40:08] <Resiliente> tharkun, mmm to read the messages from the users to start witth
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• 2257[15:40:21] <Resiliente> internal mail by the moment
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• 2259[15:40:55] <tharkun> Resiliente: /var/spool/mail will hold all your local email on an mbox format mutt is the usual weapon of choice.
• 2260[15:40:57] <petn-randall> Resiliente: Depends on where you send the files with your config.
• 2261[15:41:08] <petn-randall> s/files/mails/
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• 2263[15:41:25] <youngvision> b4d: 'service auditd stop' i think
• 2264[15:41:27] <tharkun> Yet if you need to grow from there you will end up setting up a full blown email system imap pop3 submission and all the rest of the goodies.
• 2265[15:41:36] <jhutchins_wk> Resiliente: mail/mailx is probably the lowest level mail reader. I usually like to install (al)pine.
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• 2267[15:41:47] <Resiliente> tharkun, so I fire mutt and it reads the internal email
• 2268[15:42:01] <Resiliente> jhutchins, I used to use mutt, but it was long time ago
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• 2271[15:42:51] <tharkun> Resiliente: I believe it will be configured out of the box but you can personalize it to taste. I began using mutt for the same reason long ago.
• 2272[15:43:05] <jhutchins_wk> I never managed to figure out mutt's configuration.
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• 2274[15:43:52] <tharkun> Tricky at first then when you get the hang of it quite nice :)
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• 2276[15:44:15] <Resiliente> mail: coomandnot found (same for mailx)
• 2277[15:44:25] <jelly> I used mutt ever since nether.net had 0.27 installed
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• 2279[15:44:41] <tharkun> bragging
• 2280[15:45:09] <jelly> of course
• 2281[15:45:34] <pierrot> Hi. During the installation process of `apt-dist upgrade` some error happened with kde and now I don't see the menu bar neither I can maximize the terminal window where I had runned that command
• 2282[15:46:11] <jelly> Resiliente, install it.
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• 2284[15:46:19] <Resiliente> jhutchins, mail: comman dnot found (same for mailx)
• 2285[15:46:26] <jelly> !installit
• 2286[15:46:26] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
• 2287[15:46:32] <pierrot> I tried with alt+tab but says "The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing. Contact your distribution about this."
• 2288[15:47:01] <b4d> youngvision: thanks
• 2289[15:47:07] <Resiliente> jhutchins, mailx comes with bsd-mailx package?
• 2290[15:47:20] <youngvision> b4d: that works ?
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• 2293[15:47:55] <tharkun> iirc yes it does but mailx is a bit too low level for my taste. Better start with something like alpine or one of its cousins
• 2294[15:48:15] <jelly> Resiliente, heirloom-mailx is a nice mailx variant.
• 2295[15:48:16] <jelly> for interactive use, mutt or alpine will be nicer
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• 2297[15:48:58] <jelly> Resiliente, there are a couple mailx variants available, bsd-mailx is one
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• 2299[15:49:32] <pierrot> basically now I don't know when to restart because I can't see the progression of `apt dist-upgrade`
• 2300[15:50:24] <jelly> pierrot, switch to text console, log in, check the process list to see if apt is still running or not
• 2301[15:50:50] <Resiliente> jelly aha I am searching with apt-cache search... do you know waht package is "mail" in?
• 2302[15:51:01] <jelly> Resiliente, same ones as mailx
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• 2304[15:52:12] <b4d> youngvision: yeah, i dont know how i did not try that :D
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• 2306[15:52:24] <Resiliente> ah so mail is in fact mail/mailx? bsd-mailx and heirloom-,ailx?
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• 2308[15:52:42] <pierrot> jelly: I listed the processes and it's still there
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• 2311[15:53:19] <jelly> Resiliente, on debian, yes
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• 2314[15:53:40] <jelly> judd, whatprovides mailx
• 2315[15:53:45] <judd> Package mailx in stretch/amd64 is provided by: bsd-mailx, mailutils.
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• 2317[15:54:03] <jelly> that's weird
• 2318[15:54:06] <youngvision> b4d: Nice ;)
• 2319[15:54:10] <jelly> ,v heirloom-mailx
• 2320[15:54:11] <judd> Package: heirloom-mailx on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 12.5-2+deb7u1; wheezy: 12.5-2+deb7u1; jessie: 12.5-4; sid: 14.8.16-1; buster: 14.8.16-1; stretch: 14.8.16-1
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• 2322[15:54:27] <Resiliente> jelly but mail/mailx are 2 programs, right?
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• 2326[15:55:04] <jelly> Resiliente, they're two very similar commands, often implemented with one same binary
• 2327[15:55:41] <jelly> one that I _think_behaves slightly different depending on whether you call it as /usr/bin/mail or /usr/bin/mailx
• 2328[15:56:00] <Resiliente> that'ws why they are in the same package then
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• 2330[15:57:09] <jhutchins_wk> Resiliente: mailx used to be a default package.
• 2331[15:58:01] <jelly> Resiliente, replaced-url
• 2332[15:58:21] <pierrot> jelly: I did `ps aux | grep apt` and I don't see it any more. Since it was like 78% when the kde error happened, maybe the upgrade finished?
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• 2334[15:58:36] <jelly> pierrot, could be
• 2335[15:58:48] <jelly> pierrot, try running it again from the console
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• 2339[16:00:19] <pierrot> jelly: I did `apt-get update` and started to update
• 2340[16:00:34] <pierrot> so did it finish?
• 2341[16:00:56] <pierrot> I want to know if it's safe to reboot
• 2342[16:01:20] <Resiliente> jhutchins, that's waht I thought, but it seems like it is not installed...
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• 2347[16:04:42] <Resiliente> jhutchins, is it possible that the default installations of debian they don't installed a mail base sytem?
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• 2366[16:09:56] <jhutchins_wk> Resiliente: Yes.
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• 2369[16:10:35] <Resiliente> jhutchins, but it use to be the other way, and use to be mandatory to instyall a local emani system, right?
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• 2373[16:12:12] <kaimo> how do you take a screenshot in xfce debian
• 2374[16:12:22] <kaimo> printscreen doesnt do anything
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• 2376[16:12:29] <tw> yes, but the default mail system was local delivery only.
• 2377[16:12:41] <tw> (as I recall)
• 2378[16:12:48] <th0r> kaimo, install the xfce panel screenshot applet, part of xfce4-goodies I think
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• 2385[16:14:05] <kaimo> xfce4-goodies/stable,now 4.12.3 amd64 [installed,automatic]
• 2386[16:14:05] <kaimo> enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
• 2387[16:14:05] <kaimo> xfce4-screenshooter/stable,now 1.8.2-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
• 2388[16:14:05] <kaimo> screenshots utility for Xfce
• 2389[16:14:05] <kaimo> xfce4-screenshooter-plugin/stable 1.8.2-2 all
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• 2392[16:15:40] <Resiliente> tw yes, it was local delivery by default, but it was mandatory to install ir, now it isn't
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• 2397[16:16:21] <kaimo> sorry for flood problem solved sorry for the inconvience
• 2398[16:16:29] <kaimo> tyvm again
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• 2412[16:24:26] <cluelessperson> serious question, WHY would debian leave the naming scheme or interfaces?
• 2413[16:24:29] <cluelessperson> like eth0 etc
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• 2430[16:29:53] <TheAvatar> bolt, that worked perfectly, thanks
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• 2432[16:30:19] <TheAvatar> Iridos, I think that's initially what I tried, but without any luck though. GatewayPorts worked fine when binding to all IPs instead
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• 2434[16:30:26] <TheAvatar> (the device is firewalled)
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• 2440[16:32:04] <jelly> cluelessperson, what do you mean by "leave"
• 2441[16:32:17] <jelly> leave it as it was? depart from what it was?
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• 2446[16:33:33] <bolt> TheAvatar: :)
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• 2465[16:44:05] <wpppp> So why can't one just download Debian for ARM and slap it onto a RaspBerry PI? Why is there stuff like Raspian or Hypriot?
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• 2467[16:44:23] <wpppp> this is confusing to me. Sure, one usually just follows some tutorial and installs an image - but WHY?
• 2468[16:44:37] <ralpheeee> what package can i use to notify me of any updates with a tiling window manager
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• 2472[16:47:05] <pierrot> I did the upgrade and seems to work fine, but after doing `apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }')` a huge list of packages was removed. Some of them I think it shouldn't be removed like kdm.
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• 2481[16:48:58] <elkmoose> wpppp specific hardware acceleration for raspberry pi can only be found in raspbian
• 2482[16:49:01] <Brigo> pierrot maybe debfoster can help you pinpoint what to remove.
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• 2494[16:49:49] <BluesKaj> wpppp, because debian default desktop is gnome and it's quite heavy going for an rpi cpu and RAM, hence a well desgned and easy to use desktop like pixel works great on raspbian
• 2495[16:49:56] <Brigo> elkmoose, wpppp at least in old raspberry. I think new ones are supported by debian default kernel.
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• 2500[16:51:35] <wpppp> elkmoose, BluesKaj, Brigo: So why can't one install this specific acceleration thing as Debian package or kernel module? Why a whole distro for that?
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• 2502[16:51:53] <wpppp> and how much is the acceleration? is it worth it (probably is, right?)? I mean, does it speed up by 20% or so?
• 2503[16:52:21] <BluesKaj> wpppp, suggest you ask in #raspbian
• 2504[16:52:28] <wpppp> ok, will do that
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• 2516[16:57:39] <kaimo> ive installed dbian into a virtual box to test it before leaving windows is there an apt-get for intel and nvida drivers? or must i treat it like windows adn go to the websites adn download them?
• 2517[16:57:55] <wpppp> aren't nvidia drivers non-free as binaries?
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• 2519[16:58:06] <wpppp> some years ago nvidia offers some install script
• 2520[16:58:09] <wpppp> iirc
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• 2523[16:58:54] <kaimo> non free as binaries can you translate this into english and not tech speak please
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• 2527[16:59:32] <wpppp> replaced-url
• 2528[17:00:09] <kaimo> so no ones for stretch only jessie?
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• 2541[17:01:55] <wpppp> kaimo: not sure, maybe the nvidia ppl provide it
• 2542[17:01:56] <Brigo> wpppp, did you get your answer already?
• 2543[17:02:00] <wpppp> kaimo: debian stretch? :O
• 2544[17:02:06] <wpppp> Brigo: talking and waiting on it :D
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• 2547[17:02:33] <Brigo> wpppp, you need to recompile all the binaries. It's not just the kernel or some module.
• 2548[17:02:56] <wpppp> aha
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• 2550[17:03:13] <wpppp> Brigo: and the debian guys haven't done that yet for debian arm? so others did this in separate distro?
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• 2553[17:04:04] <wpppp> kaimo: replaced-url
• 2554[17:04:05] <wpppp> maybe?
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• 2560[17:04:44] <Brigo> wpppp, it's not just arm but a specifi kind of arm (a very old one).
• 2561[17:05:47] <Brigo> wpppp, replaced-url
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• 2564[17:06:22] <wpppp> Brigo: the latest raspi also got this very old arm?
• 2565[17:06:56] <keantoken> Where can I find commits for debian kernels?
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• 2567[17:07:18] <Brigo> wpppp, i don't think so.
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• 2570[17:07:57] <wpppp> Brigo: so for the recent raspi the arm-compatibility argument doesn't count anymore :)
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• 2572[17:08:34] <jelly> wpppp, r.pi 3 has a newer old arm inside that's just 5 years behind current processes not 10
• 2573[17:08:51] <jelly> it is compatible with debian's armhf userspace
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• 2576[17:09:48] <wpppp> jelly: thanks
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• 2579[17:11:01] <J1sy> Hello help my brother set my laptop monitor to no primary how do i set it to vga/laptop screen as primary since each time i get a white screen
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• 2586[17:13:54] <kaimo> tyvm
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• 2596[17:16:33] <SwK> using cowbuilder with a local signed repo, however cowbuilder keeps complaining that the repo is not trusted... this only started with a new Stretch build box... any hints? (I even tried "[trusted=yes]" on my sources.list line but cowbuilder complains it cant parse that
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• 2601[17:17:37] <pierrot> after doing `apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }')` now the kde display manager (sddm) doesn't appear at startup. I have to login in a tty and do `startx`
• 2602[17:18:19] <pierrot> how could I solve this ir order to make sddm appear again?
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• 2609[17:21:04] <BluesKaj> pierrot, sudo systemtl enable sddm, then, sudo systemctl start sddm, in the vt/tty, then reboot
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• 2617[17:25:01] <pierrot> BluesKaj: replaced-url
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• 2619[17:25:33] <pierrot> that's the output of `sudo systemtl enable sddm`
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• 2621[17:25:54] <teraflops> in stretch you just systemctl enable --now sddm
• 2622[17:26:43] <pierrot> same output
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• 2624[17:26:56] <teraflops> --now just start it
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• 2626[17:27:15] <teraflops> starts^
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• 2630[17:28:02] <pierrot> but there is an error. that output is not the expected one, isn't it?
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• 2632[17:29:38] <BluesKaj> hmm, changes in systemd then
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• 2635[17:30:16] <teraflops> pierrot: which debian release?
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• 2638[17:31:29] <suchademon> hi!
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• 2640[17:32:00] <pierrot> I had Debian 8 until yesterday. Then I upgraded to 9 this morning and sddm worked fined. But... I executed `apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }')` as suggested here replaced-url
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• 2642[17:32:09] <pierrot> after that command, I reboot
• 2643[17:32:47] <pierrot> and sddm didn't appear so I login in a console and did `startx`
• 2644[17:32:49] <suchademon> the control information of a debian package (that is extracted with dpkg -e), is that available for browsing on the web somewhere? i only find the actual content on sources.debian.net
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• 2648[17:33:43] <BluesKaj> pierrot, best to to use sudo apt-get autoremove and autoclean for removing old unneeded packages
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• 2652[17:34:50] <BluesKaj> not somebody's istring creation
• 2653[17:35:10] <pierrot> BluesKaj: I just followed the official Debian tutorial...
• 2654[17:35:18] <pierrot> for the upgrading process
• 2655[17:35:43] <BluesKaj> best to use apt not awk
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• 2658[17:36:29] <BluesKaj> never seen anything like that for officail package removal
• 2659[17:36:44] <pierrot> say that to who wrote that tutorial
• 2660[17:36:54] <towo`> that command only removes configs from removed packages
• 2661[17:37:04] <towo`> s/from/for
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• 2663[17:37:25] <BluesKaj> guess it removed more that it was meant to
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• 2666[17:37:43] <towo`> BluesKaj, no, it can't remove more than that
• 2667[17:37:48] <BluesKaj> that=than
• 2668[17:37:53] <teraflops> pierrot: tried reinstalling sddm package?
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• 2670[17:38:47] <pierrot> teraflops: yeah, that was a possibility I was thinking about
• 2671[17:39:20] <teraflops> and why dont you try it?
• 2672[17:39:31] <BluesKaj> you mean youhaen't tried reinstalling sddm ??...oh lord
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• 2674[17:40:36] <teraflops> you pipe awk to apt to remove packages without hesitation but still considering reinstalling a broken config package, hmmm
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• 2678[17:40:57] <teraflops> packages/configs
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• 2680[17:41:59] <pierrot> reinstalled. I'll reboot
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• 2686[17:45:13] <teraflops> pierrot: also tried, dpkg-reconfigure sddm?
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• 2716[17:57:35] <pierrot> teraflops: sorry for the late response, I was rebooting. I purged sddm and reinstall it and it worked
• 2717[17:58:00] <pierrot> (with a different appearance than in the first time, but works)
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• 2720[17:58:44] <teraflops> pierrot: np, glad you got it working
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• 2722[17:59:09] <pierrot> and also, let me select ratposion, plasma and dwm as I have before the upgrade \o/
• 2723[17:59:18] <pierrot> s/have/had/
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• 2727[17:59:55] <teraflops> pierrot: there are several theme packages you can install for sddm iirc
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• 2730[18:01:40] <pierrot> thanks teraflops :)
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• 2754[18:10:29] <password4> anyone ever experience errors copying form an mtp device?
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• 2756[18:11:06] <password4> it would just randomly stop for me
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• 2764[18:17:33] <jhutchins_wk> password4: Yes, I've seen that.
• 2765[18:17:49] <jhutchins_wk> password4: My work-around at the time was to move the sd card to another device.
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• 2781[18:28:02] <password4> ah
• 2782[18:28:09] <password4> Its onboard for me
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• 2801[18:36:32] <pierrot> At startup, I'm getting this error message: replaced-url
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• 2804[18:36:48] <pierrot> Is it important?
• 2805[18:37:15] <towo`> install firmware-amd-graphics
• 2806[18:37:18] <pierrot> (those lines are from dmesg)
• 2807[18:37:24] <towo`> and yes, it is important
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• 2812[18:38:52] <pierrot> thanks towo`
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• 2826[18:43:01] <pierrot> also, when it's checked one of the partitions, it diplays the message "Superblock last write time is in the future. (by less than a day, probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set)"
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• 2833[18:45:03] <towo`> pierrot, then fix that
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• 2854[18:52:26] <Violinist> mine say iomen region
• 2855[18:52:30] <Violinist> and takes forver
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• 2857[18:52:39] <Violinist> wth
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• 2861[18:53:20] <h0nus> has anyone had success with thunderbolt eGPU under Debian (on Mac hw, obviously)?
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• 2871[18:54:49] <Resiliente> what's the difference between adding some user to the sudo system group and giving him execute permissions on a one-by-one basis? if I want some users to make admisnitrative duties, what group sohuld I add them to?
• 2872[18:55:19] <greycat> Users in the sudo group can run *everything* with sudo. Unless you make other changes.
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• 2877[18:56:39] <nkuttler> Resiliente: define admisnitrative duties
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• 2880[18:57:06] <monsterco> what is cgamanger? it's using 100% of my cpu
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• 2884[18:58:15] <Resiliente> nkuttler, a good question, apt-get update && dist-upgrade, adding/deleting users and maybe adding and removing disk drives (if you suggest other profiles I will listen :) )
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• 2888[18:59:08] <nkuttler> Resiliente: soudns like you should whitelist programs one by one
• 2889[18:59:18] <nkuttler> Resiliente: and look into visudo for fstab i guess
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• 2892[18:59:56] <Resiliente> nkuttler, and the sudo group what isfor
• 2893[19:00:19] <nkuttler> Resiliente: what greycat said
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• 2895[19:00:56] <Resiliente> nku, ah, I did not read what greycat said :)
• 2896[19:01:29] <Resiliente> nkuttler, , ah, I did not read what greycat said :)
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• 2900[19:02:57] <Resiliente> what other groups? what are they for? where can I read about them?
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• 2903[19:07:02] <Resiliente> mmm waht the group staff used for?
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• 2907[19:10:25] <EmleyMoor> Resiliente: You could use it to help define who can use sudo, for example
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• 2910[19:11:47] <Resiliente> in replaced-url
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• 2914[19:14:46] <CrowX-> what would happen if I restart cgmanager process?
• 2915[19:14:46] <CrowX-> <CrowX-> service cgmanager restart
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• 2920[19:16:31] <EmleyMoor> Resiliente: Well, you could reference it in the sudoers file
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• 2925[19:18:29] <Resiliente> EmleyMoor, mmmI don't understand what this group can and cannot do...
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• 2927[19:19:15] <EmleyMoor> Resiliente: as standard they have write access to /usr/local.
• 2928[19:19:41] <Resiliente> EmleyMoor, and this allows them to... install software? compile software? or what?
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• 2930[19:20:58] <EmleyMoor> Resiliente: They could, at least in theory, install software they have compiled there, or at least work on its source code and compile it
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• 2933[19:21:32] <EmleyMoor> It would depend entirely on permissions in place
• 2934[19:21:52] <Resiliente> so they are the... ahem... install-ad-hoc-software-doers (hehe) right?
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• 2939[19:23:51] <EmleyMoor> That's what the wiki suggests
• 2940[19:23:59] <mrr0butt> replaced-url
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• 2942[19:24:34] <ment0s> hi, is there any way for iscsi initiator to have similar behaviour to "hard" option in nfs ? meaning that it will always keep on trying to connect to the target ?
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• 2944[19:25:10] <Resiliente> so the sudo group is "line root", the staff group is "compile-from-external" and the group adm is for reading logs (and I suppose dmesg)
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• 2948[19:26:57] <Resiliente> EmleyMoor, so the sudo group is "line root", the staff group is "compile-from-external" and the group adm is for reading logs (and I suppose dmesg)
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• 2958[19:30:26] <s00x> hey, how can I change default mountpoint /media to /home/myMounts ?
• 2959[19:30:30] <s00x> is that even possible?
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• 2965[19:32:07] <mrr0butt> in /etc/fstab?
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• 2969[19:33:20] <s00x> mrr0butt: I mean, for examle when I plug in external usb
• 2970[19:34:01] <jelly> s00x, stupid way: rmdir /media; ln -s /home/myMounts /media
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• 2974[19:35:22] <s00x> i got alreayd some entries in fstab to mount only cdrooms
• 2975[19:35:25] <s00x> to /media
• 2976[19:35:29] <s00x> i guess i also has to fix them?
• 2977[19:35:32] <s00x> before rmdir media ?
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• 2979[19:36:05] <jelly> no, but make sure nothing is mounted under /media at that time
• 2980[19:36:25] <s00x> what could have happend if it was?
• 2981[19:36:30] <jelly> or yes, make sure all mountpoints exist
• 2982[19:36:44] <jelly> rmdir only works when a directory is empty
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• 2986[19:37:14] <jelly> so that the above as a general idea, not literal commands to make things work
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• 2991[19:39:27] <mrr0butt> udev rule bei disk uuid maybe?
• 2992[19:39:43] <s00x> ok, thank you!
• 2993[19:39:46] <mrr0butt> *by
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• 3057[20:05:44] <Murda> I changed LUKS encryption passphrase, but old 1 seems also still working.
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• 3059[20:05:56] <Murda> How can I invoke old passphrase.
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• 3069[20:08:47] <Resiliente> exit
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• 3085[20:17:07] <mrr0butt> luks has 10 slots, you can use 10 paspharases/keyfiles
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• 3089[20:18:31] <mrr0butt> cryptsetup luksRemoveKey /dev/<device>
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• 3094[20:19:40] <mrr0butt> you can check how many slots are used
• 3095[20:19:48] <mrr0butt> cryptsetup luksDump /dev/<dev>
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• 3100[20:21:37] <mrr0butt> if you dont have the old key you can disable the slot with new key
• 3101[20:21:52] <mrr0butt> to remove the old key u need to enterthe key
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• 3175[21:06:57] <gpcf> hi, i have installed gnome-software on stretch with MATE, and it doesn't install any software, besides, it appears to be that apt forgot all pubkeys
• 3176[21:07:36] <gpcf> reinstalling debian-archive-keyring didn't fix this issue
• 3177[21:07:54] <gpcf> I ran gnome-software both as a regular user and as root
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• 3179[21:08:40] <gpcf> does anyone know how i can setup gnome-software correctly?
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• 3181[21:09:16] <greycat> gpcf: do you have an /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file, and if so, how large is it?
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• 3184[21:11:45] <gpcf> yes, there is one
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• 3186[21:11:53] <greycat> How many bytes?
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• 3188[21:12:19] <greycat> (how many teeth must a man pull before he can get to the root...)
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• 3190[21:12:56] <gpcf> no, sorry, no there isn't
• 3191[21:13:11] <gpcf> i just checked again, it's running on another computer
• 3192[21:13:22] <gpcf> and reinstalling debian-archive-keyring does not create it again
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• 3194[21:13:40] <gpcf> there is a trusted.gpg.d directory, though, but it is empty
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• 3196[21:13:50] <greycat> Was going to suggest removing it, per a recent debian-user thread. *shrug*
• 3197[21:14:08] <gpcf> apt-key list returns nothing
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• 3200[21:15:27] <die7> stupid question (I know it's wrong channel) how to continue the bash script after su - (need to reintialze login since new group added)
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• 3202[21:16:19] <gpcf> die7: what do you mean? Restoring the session after typing "exit"?
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• 3204[21:16:41] <jhutchins_wk> die7: Possibly how to exit su?
• 3205[21:16:42] <greycat> die7: you can't just stick su in the middle of a script. That's not how it works. su runs a single command (which could be a SECOND whole script) with altered UID
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• 3207[21:16:58] <greycat> It does not mean "become root in the current process and continue".
• 3208[21:17:04] <greycat> It runs a CHILD process.
• 3209[21:17:27] <die7> gpcf: OK, is there any poss to reintilaze groups for root instead of su -
• 3210[21:18:54] <greycat> Split the script into two scripts.
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• 3212[21:19:01] <greycat> su root -c ./second-script
• 3213[21:19:06] <die7> greycat: gpcf has right with second statement...my script will install and deploy docker, add user root to docker group ..and should continue with docker image creation and run it on end
• 3214[21:19:34] <greycat> Oh, docker. I'm done. I won't /ignore you because this #debian and not #bash, but... still, I'm done. Will not help. Sorry.
• 3215[21:19:34] <die7> greycat: yeah, but I wish to do it in one kick
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• 3217[21:20:01] <gpcf> su twice?
• 3218[21:20:18] <die7> gpcf: no 1x
• 3219[21:20:27] <jhutchins_wk> die7: the system shouldn't care what groups root is or is not a member of.
• 3220[21:21:17] <die7> jhutchins_wk: well yes and no, if the root is not in the group it will not execute docker commands
• 3221[21:21:55] <gpcf> does anyone know what may have caused my problem?
• 3222[21:22:02] <die7> jhutchins_wk: so I need to reint. login for group
• 3223[21:22:24] <die7> gpcf: what is your prob?
• 3224[21:23:05] <gpcf> somehow all apt gpg keys were deleted and reinstalling debian-archive-keyring won't work
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• 3226[21:23:15] <gpcf> and gnome-software doesn't work
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• 3234[21:25:03] <die7> gpcf: so nothing provided when you run apt-key list
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• 3237[21:26:09] <gpcf> no, nothing
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• 3242[21:27:35] <jhutchins_wk> gpcf: WHat if you purge debian-archive-keyring, then install it?
• 3243[21:28:06] <gpcf> debian-archive-keyring takes lots of stuff with it, including apt
• 3244[21:28:21] <gpcf> how do i do this without removing dependencies?
• 3245[21:28:36] <die7> gpcf: is your folder /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d empty?
• 3246[21:29:02] <gpcf> yes
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• 3250[21:31:41] <jelly> gpcf, how, exactly, are you trying to reinstall that package?
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• 3258[21:33:36] <die7> gpcf: then you need to add it manualy
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• 3267[21:36:31] <gpcf> apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring
• 3268[21:36:45] <greycat> you will probably have to download it by hand and dpkg -i
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• 3270[21:37:07] <greycat> apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install debian-archive-keyring # may help
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• 3276[21:38:53] <gpcf> I'll try that
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• 3283[21:41:43] <gpcf> tried that, same story
• 3284[21:41:54] <greycat> !exact
• 3285[21:41:54] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like replaced-url
• 3286[21:42:21] <aswen> Hi there, I want make a preseed partition recipe for use on a UEFI enabled server. That means it needs an efi type partition. I added that to my recipe. The rest of the disk should be added to an LVM partition and I want to create the rest of my partitions within that as a logical volume. Is it possible? If so: how?
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• 3288[21:42:49] <die7> gpcf: replaced-url
• 3289[21:43:48] <die7> gpcf: should solve the issue, I just deleted keys, getting error with update, adding keys manualy, update runing again
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• 3294[21:45:13] <jhutchins_wk> die7: Please make a habit of using something other than pastebin.com, which is blocked (for good reason) by some networks. paste.debian.net is good.
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• 3297[21:45:27] <greycat> pasteiebin.com != pastebin.com
• 3298[21:45:29] <die7> jhutchins_wk: ok, sorry
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• 3301[21:45:55] <jhutchins_wk> die7: Ah, pastiebin should be ok.
• 3302[21:45:59] <greycat> But near as I can tell, this "pastiebin.com" is WORSE>
• 3303[21:46:19] <aswen> I created a paste with the recipe I have: replaced-url
• 3304[21:46:24] <greycat> I don't see any content at all. Does it require Javascript, like hate-bin?
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• 3308[21:49:25] <die7> jhutchins_wk: tootaly forg. to use debian pastie, thnak you for refresh
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• 3313[21:51:23] <aswen> when I use that recipe, everything becomes a partition on the disk, not a LVM as expected
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• 3316[21:52:10] <nvz> sawfish seems rather broken on stretch, not only does it seem to error on startup saying no such file: gnome, assuming gnome usage, but half the bindings don't work. It won't detect Ctrl, Win key, middle or left clicks, and those are just the things I've tried that it can't seem to detect
• 3317[21:52:18] <gpcf> ok, now my apt-key stuff works
• 3318[21:53:48] <nvz> 18
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• 3321[21:54:23] <jhutchins_wk> ,info sawfish
• 3322[21:54:24] <judd> Package sawfish (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: window manager for X11. Version: 1:1.11.90-1+b1; Size: 482.6k; Installed: 1462k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 3326[21:55:59] <gpcf> back to this gnome-software problem
• 3327[21:56:06] <gpcf> how do i get it to work
• 3328[21:56:13] <gpcf> i can't search for debian software
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• 3330[21:56:22] <die7> gpcf: explain again pls issue with gnome
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• 3332[21:56:40] <gpcf> i have installed gnome-software
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• 3335[21:57:09] <gpcf> it only lists installed software and gnome shell extensions (gnome isn't even installed, the computer runs mate)
• 3336[21:57:46] <jhutchins_wk> Have you tried aptitude in menu mode?
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• 3338[21:58:21] <gpcf> i am trying to install a fancy frontend for dpkg
• 3339[21:58:43] <gpcf> it is for a friend who's getting her first linux system
• 3340[21:58:46] <greycat> ... you mean synaptic?
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• 3344[21:59:59] <gpcf> synaptic seems like a bit cluttered
• 3345[22:00:13] <greycat> Then I don't know what program you mean.
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• 3347[22:00:29] <gpcf> i have no problem with it, but it's not as beginner-friendly as gnome-software seems to be
• 3348[22:00:31] <missmbob> i thought it had to be synaptic
• 3349[22:00:42] <gpcf> I'm actually talking about "gnome-software"
• 3350[22:00:46] <gpcf> it's called like that
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• 3353[22:00:49] <greycat> ,v gnome-software
• 3354[22:00:50] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- sid: 3.22.5-1; buster: 3.22.5-1; stretch: 3.22.5-1; experimental: 3.25.3-1
• 3355[22:00:50] <kasbah> hi, i recently updated my system from jessy to stretch and my bluetooth headset and speaker stopped to work correctly. Sometimes, blueman-manager completely blocks the desktop
• 3356[22:00:58] <greycat> Never heard of it.
• 3357[22:01:03] <missmbob> that's no front end to dpkgg
• 3358[22:01:15] <greycat> Are you asking how to *run* it? Use the dpkg -L list and try to guess which thing to run.
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• 3360[22:01:31] <greycat> Or see if it has documentation in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/
• 3361[22:02:05] <gpcf> i am able to run it, but it does not list the packages
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• 3363[22:02:20] <teraflops> kasbah: which DE/WM/DM are you running there?
• 3364[22:02:23] <greycat> *What* are you running?
• 3365[22:02:23] <jhutchins_wk> gpcf: Perhaps it needs the equivalent of apt update?
• 3366[22:02:41] <kasbah> teraflops: mainly kde, but it is the same issue with gnome, mate etc
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• 3368[22:02:50] <greycat> I mean, we probably won't know a damned thing about it but hey, you might getlucky. But we have to know what you are running.
• 3369[22:02:53] <teraflops> which DM?
• 3370[22:03:02] <gpcf> a fresh debian-MATE install and i have just installed "gnome-software"
• 3371[22:03:06] <kasbah> teraflops: sddm
• 3372[22:03:13] <greycat> gpcf: no, what are you *running*? What program?
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• 3377[22:04:32] <gpcf> it is actually called "gnome-software"
• 3378[22:04:44] <kasbah> teraflops: before update, it worked just fine
• 3379[22:04:48] <gpcf> replaced-url
• 3380[22:05:00] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3381[22:05:05] <greycat> ... I give up.
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• 3383[22:05:21] <teraflops> worked as in now it doesnt work, but it used to work?
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• 3385[22:05:42] <kasbah> teraflops: on jessy, it used to work without a glitch
• 3386[22:05:55] <kasbah> teraflops: on stretch, it does not work properly
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• 3388[22:06:00] <teraflops> ok
• 3389[22:06:16] <teraflops> kasbah: did you try just plain bluetoothctl? at least for checking if that's blueman's fault
• 3390[22:06:25] <jhutchins_wk> kasbah: Anything in the release notes about it?
• 3391[22:06:37] <gpcf> i think it is packageKit's fault
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• 3394[22:06:44] <jelly> ,i gnome-software
• 3395[22:06:45] <judd> Package gnome-software (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: Software Center for GNOME. Version: 3.22.5-1; Size: 326.6k; Installed: 1555k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3396[22:06:52] <gpcf> which doesn't get the software list
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• 3398[22:07:30] <greycat> The man page is clearly just a stub so the pkg maintainer can say "I have a man page"
• 3399[22:07:37] <gpcf> yeah
• 3400[22:07:44] <gpcf> it's like that with a lot of GUI stuff
• 3401[22:08:10] <gpcf> I found some resources on freedesktop.org, I'll try to work through them
• 3402[22:08:22] <gpcf> thank you for your help
• 3403[22:08:23] <kasbah> jhutchins_wk: I did not find anything so far in it
• 3404[22:08:23] <gpcf> bye
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• 3406[22:09:02] <phogg> gpcf: sounds like maybe gnome-software is missing a plugin
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• 3409[22:09:32] <kasbah> teraflops: I succeeded to connect via bluetoothctl, but pulseaudio cannot use the device that way
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• 3411[22:09:51] <kasbah> it tells a2dp sink unavailable or so
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• 3414[22:11:22] <gpcf> the classic
• 3415[22:11:31] <gpcf> i rebooted and it's working now :D
• 3416[22:11:54] <catfat> wow biggest channel ive ever seen member wise. cool
• 3417[22:11:56] <greycat> Oh, Windows emulation.
• 3418[22:12:00] <catfat> my new idle spot
• 3419[22:12:06] <catfat> greycatfat
• 3420[22:12:20] <catfat> :D
• 3421[22:12:31] <catfat> wine?
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• 3423[22:12:55] <greycat> Please stop spewing random wors. If you just want to chat, try #debian-offtopic.
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• 3426[22:13:21] <catfat> sure, sorry
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• 3436[22:17:17] <ScreamSupreme> Hi could somebody please help me. I am using Raspbian and have my apt repository set to jessie, however for one package (ddclient), I require a newer version, how can I install only that package from the stretch repository without upgrading all other packages?
• 3437[22:17:24] <greycat> !raspbian
• 3438[22:17:24] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 3439[22:17:33] <greycat> !frankendebian
• 3440[22:17:34] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 3441[22:17:58] <ScreamSupreme> greycat: I just need one package to be newer (3.8.3 instead of 3.8.2)
• 3442[22:18:15] <greycat> *IF* you were running Debian 8, the correct answer would be "Use jessie-backports, or if there isn't a backport of this package, backport it yourself"
• 3443[22:18:39] <ScreamSupreme> Is there no way to set apt to use stretch instead of jessie for one package?
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• 3445[22:18:43] <greycat> Since you are *NOT* running Debian 8, the correct answer is "ask #raspbian"
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• 3451[22:21:13] <ScreamSupreme> greycat:
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• 3453[22:21:30] <ScreamSupreme> is there no way I can make it use stretch instead of jessie-backports?
• 3454[22:21:36] <greycat> !dontbreakdebian
• 3455[22:21:36] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 3460[22:22:22] <ellenium1> you could install it manually using a .deb and dpkg but as greycat already hinted with the frankendebian reference that's a bad idea generally
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• 3463[22:22:41] <greycat> I was trying to be a lot stronger than "hinted" :(
• 3464[22:22:44] <ScreamSupreme> greycat you are actually a knob dude, I didn't ask for you to show me all these "don't mix packages" links, I have told you that I need to update one package and have asked if it is possible to set apt to stretch instead of jessie for one package.
• 3465[22:22:46] <ellenium1> haha
• 3466[22:22:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
• 3467[22:23:04] <jelly> ScreamSupreme, do a local build of newer version
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• 3471[22:23:29] <jelly> dpkg, tell screamsupreme about ssb
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• 3475[22:24:31] <jelly> ellenium1, and no, in general you may not be able to install it with dpkg easily either
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• 3478[22:27:44] <ellenium1> would that be because of dependencies, or some other reason?
• 3479[22:27:58] <mrr0butt> inside debootstraped chroot maybe
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• 3482[22:28:15] <mrr0butt> depends on the pkg
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• 3491[22:31:29] <Lyberta> how to change mouse sensitivity? I'm using MATE and GUI app doesn't work
• 3492[22:32:21] <teraflops> Lyberta: you mean mouse acceleration?
• 3493[22:33:17] <Lyberta> no, sensitivity, acceleration changes based on the speed of movement, I want the baseline speed of movement
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• 3495[22:33:47] <greycat> You could look at xset.
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• 3499[22:35:00] <teraflops> Lyberta: I still think you mean speed
• 3500[22:35:23] <teraflops> s/speed/accel
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• 3504[22:36:33] <Lyberta> teraflops, sensitivity and acceleration are different things, sensitivity doesn't change based on the speed of your movement, it doesn't matter how slow you move, the pointer will always move by the same amount
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• 3506[22:38:02] <greycat> well, try "xset m 2 1" and see what happens
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• 3508[22:38:22] <teraflops> Lyberta: mouse sensitivity is a thing?
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• 3510[22:39:17] <Lyberta> teraflops, of course, we gamers always completely disable acceleration and everyone of us has their favorite sensitivity
• 3511[22:39:30] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Need advice. Is it okay that bug report is unanswered for more than 24 hours? Actually first time filing in Debian, and as far as I understood, my package is maintained by whole group of Debian maintainers, but nobody cares to answer, not sure why.
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• 3513[22:40:27] <greycat> I'd say *most* bug reports are not answered quickly....
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• 3515[22:40:46] <teraflops> xset is for mouse accel, also when I say if it's a thing, I mean a thing that xset/ximput have in their man pages
• 3516[22:41:03] <vadimkolchev> greycat, okay, just don't know what to expect, that's why ask here
• 3517[22:41:05] <jelly> vadimkolchev, a week or a month is more realistic expectation of a response
• 3518[22:41:09] <paqcito> Hi. Im working on a VM on VirtualBox using Ubuntu Server. I'm a new user. I did googled, but with no results. I can't make internet conection work in here. Anyone knows about it? I tried with NAT and Bridge, any change on it.
• 3519[22:41:23] <vadimkolchev> jelly, thanks, good to know :)
• 3520[22:41:40] <vadimkolchev> jelly, and fix in next release :)
• 3521[22:41:58] <jelly> if maintainers are in northern hemisphere, they may be on summer vacation
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• 3523[22:42:11] <greycat> Yesterday was also a major US holiday.
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• 3525[22:42:21] <vadimkolchev> jelly, yes, maybe
• 3526[22:42:42] <vadimkolchev> greycat, sorry, missed something probably, I'm not from US. Congrats to everyone involved.
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• 3537[22:50:12] <Lyberta> alright, this command can change sensitivity: xinput --set-prop 12 141 0.75 0 0 0 0.75 0 0 0 1
• 3538[22:50:30] <Lyberta> where last 9 numbers is affine transformation matrix
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• 3540[22:50:56] <borsin> Did an upgrade from Jessie > Stretch. Performed an update > upgrade > dist-upgrade, in that order with Jessie and then again with Stretch. Afterwards I'm having an issue with 3d - I can't get glxgears to run anymore and everything graphical seems slow and sloppy. Thoughts?
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• 3543[22:51:30] <jhutchins_wk> My record for turn-around on bug reports is about two years for most.
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• 3548[22:52:08] <greycat> Record as in fastest, or slowest?
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• 3553[22:53:45] <mtn> borsin, video drivers. what card and driver are you running?
• 3554[22:54:47] <borsin> mtn: it's an intel card in a thinkpad. it suggests it's running on xserver-xorg-intel with i915
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• 3558[22:55:28] <greycat> borsin: (as root) dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 3559[22:55:53] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Maybe two out of three right about at two years. That's time to release with a known fix in the initial report, and not entirely Debian.
• 3560[22:57:17] <borsin> greycat: replaced-url
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• 3562[22:57:50] <teraflops> I think modesetting kernel driver is way less buggy than xserver-xorg-intel one
• 3563[22:57:55] <towo`> borsin, pastebin the whole Xorg.0.log
• 3564[22:58:00] <greycat> ,file AthrBT_0x11020000.dfu
• 3565[22:58:04] <judd> Search for AthrBT_0x11020000.dfu in stretch/amd64: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/ar3k/AthrBT_0x11020000.dfu
• 3566[22:58:07] <greycat> although that sounds like wireless, not video
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• 3571[22:58:56] <borsin> towo`: replaced-url
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• 3576[22:59:54] <greycat> ,file dri/i965_dri.so
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• 3578[22:59:57] <judd> Search for dri/i965_dri.so in stretch/amd64: libgl1-mesa-dri: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so
• 3579[23:00:15] <greycat> Try installing that ^^
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• 3582[23:01:40] <borsin> what does the "c" mean in 'aptitude search'?
• 3583[23:01:57] <greycat> configured?
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• 3591[23:05:59] <borsin> Think that solved it or helped greatly. Glxgears runs now after installing 'libgl1-mesa-dri'. New Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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• 3616[23:12:27] <Skaag> I have an issue with only 4 serial ports being detected instead of the 6 supplied by my motherboard...
• 3617[23:12:59] <Skaag> I tried adding 8250.n_uarts=6 in grub.cfg, didn't help
• 3618[23:13:13] <Skaag> tried creating them manually via mknod, still doesn't work
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• 3620[23:13:59] <vivus> Hello all
• 3621[23:14:09] <vivus> what is the .org version of youtube?
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• 3630[23:20:17] <Brigo> Skaag, did you run updage-grub after modif grub.cfg?
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• 3636[23:22:08] <teraflops> vivus: theres no such thing
• 3637[23:23:00] <vivus> I should probably look for the person who shared that info with me
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• 3639[23:24:10] <Skaag> Brigo: didn't know you need to do that
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• 3641[23:24:46] <Skaag> oh wait, yes, we did run upgrade-grub
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• 3643[23:26:07] <teraflops> Skaag: you have to run upgrade-grub if you make changes to /etc/default/grub
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• 3645[23:26:55] <teraflops> if you edit grub.cfg by hand, update-grub does the opposite, and it reverts the changes you made
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• 3673[23:39:11] <vadimkolchev> Just tried to install game, it installed okay into my home folder, so I try to execute starting sh script and it says No such file or directory. What can the problem be?
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• 3680[23:42:29] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: ./script.sh (with ./)
• 3681[23:42:36] <wpppp> not just script.sh because it will look in your PATH instead
• 3682[23:43:21] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, yes, i am doing it exactly like ./script.sh
• 3683[23:43:36] <srg___> try chmod +x script.sh
• 3684[23:44:03] <wpppp> maybe No such file or directory comes from within that script....
• 3685[23:44:07] <vadimkolchev> srg___, already did, permissions are okay and file is executable
• 3686[23:44:11] <wpppp> maybe No such file or directory comes from within that script....
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• 3688[23:44:28] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, tried different games, probably miss some libs?
• 3689[23:45:07] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: you are in that directory?
• 3690[23:45:12] <wpppp> can you do nano script.sh for example?
• 3691[23:45:56] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, yes, I am there and can nano this script
• 3692[23:46:12] <wpppp> how complex is that script file?
• 3693[23:46:14] <wpppp> how many lines
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• 3695[23:46:21] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, it also autocompletes if i Tab, so I am exactly there, I am not very noobish in file navigation)
• 3696[23:46:33] <buu> Is there any monitoring software in the same console world as htop that displays io and network information as well?
• 3697[23:46:33] <wpppp> how many lines?
• 3698[23:46:53] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, I think no more than 30
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• 3700[23:47:09] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: hm, can you see lines where other files are loaded or called in that script?
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• 3703[23:48:02] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, probably here is something wrong? - CURRENT_DIR="$( cd "$( dirname "${BASH_SOURCE[0]}" )" && pwd )" Does this variable look good for you?
• 3704[23:48:27] <wpppp> replaced-url
• 3705[23:48:30] <wpppp> hmmm
• 3706[23:48:37] <wpppp> what game is it?
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• 3711[23:49:47] <Tramp> vadimkolchev: what is the very first line of the script?
• 3712[23:50:09] <vadimkolchev> Tramp, #!/bin/bash though about it too, but looks okay for me
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• 3714[23:50:24] <wpppp> lol, the game is to start it - the start-me.sh game :P
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• 3716[23:51:25] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, hmm, i installed i386 libs, now not found problem disappeared
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• 3718[23:52:05] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, however game still does not run :) Says Running game and produces no errors
• 3719[23:52:16] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: you got some desktop environment x window?
• 3720[23:52:17] <wpppp> hmmmmm
• 3721[23:52:20] <wpppp> frustrating
• 3722[23:52:29] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, sure, default gnome-shell installation
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• 3728[23:53:43] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, done it, thanks for trying to help
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• 3736[23:56:20] <mrr0butt> hey there was an kernel vulnerability tracker for debian right?
• 3737[23:56:34] <mrr0butt> and question nr2
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• 3740[23:57:07] <mrr0butt> why there is no tor repository for debian testing?
• 3741[23:57:09] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: so it works now?
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• 3743[23:57:25] <mrr0butt> there always used to be one?
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• 3745[23:57:55] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, yes, think it was libs problem
• 3746[23:58:02] <wpppp> hm
• 3747[23:58:09] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: still the starter script could have told you
• 3748[23:58:10] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, however with no output it was just like - let me install i386 ones
• 3749[23:58:18] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, it didn't (
• 3750[23:58:20] <wpppp> yes, I would even consider this a bug
• 3751[23:58:56] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, probably, however this is a proprietary thingy and I am not a paying one, so they won't care :)
• 3752[23:59:17] <wpppp> vadimkolchev: but you could help other vadimkolchevs in future :)
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• 3756[23:59:51] <vadimkolchev> wpppp, yes, thinking about writing a book on it :)
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