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6[00:02:33] <Brigo> bubbely, try to write to /dev/dsp
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7[00:02:47] <bubbely> Brigo: in what format ?
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10[00:03:14] <Brigo> bubbely, not sure try .wav
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11[00:03:21] <bubbely> hm ok
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13[00:03:48] <Brigo> bubbely, if you just write a file you
should get some noise at least.
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14[00:03:53] <Brigo> iirc
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15[00:03:55] <bubbely> yes
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16[00:03:57] <bubbely> that makes sense
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17[00:04:03] <bubbely> im trying for some noise brb
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28[00:07:52] <Voldenet> bubbely: hm, if it's bluetooth
then it might use a2dp or something, but i've never programmed
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30[00:08:04] <Voldenet> but a2dp probably needs to do its
handshake first
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32[00:08:16] <bubbely> voldenet: can u show me a bit about
a2dp?
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33[00:09:06] <Voldenet> but maybe a2dp is done on device level,
so I'm not sure
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35[00:09:20] <bubbely> i think a2dp is a format used to
socket.write()
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36[00:09:43] <Voldenet> some random a2dp googled code
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38[00:10:29] <Voldenet> but then again, no idea
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45[00:14:56] <Brigo> !tell bubbely about private
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46[00:15:13] <bubbely> sorry
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47[00:15:20] <bubbely> Brigo hey im not on a linux pc right
now.. can u try writing a wav to that and tell me if it works /
makes sound ?
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48[00:15:37] <Brigo> bubbely, no, i can't sorry
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133[01:16:41] <neilthereildeil> hi
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134[01:16:48] <neilthereildeil> im trying to install npm in
debian
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137[01:17:05] <neilthereildeil> i installed nodejs package, but
dont see npm
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138[01:17:11] <neilthereildeil> how can i install npm?
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140[01:17:13] <sypher> ,v npm
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141[01:17:14] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch:
1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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145[01:17:36] <randy1985> I can't adjust my display
resolution beyond simple 4:3 aspect ratios. I'm updated, but I
don't know if it may be an issue with missing packages or
something else. How can I fix this?
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146[01:17:37] <neilthereildeil> sypher: what does that mean?
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148[01:17:48] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Install the npm package.
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149[01:18:03] <neilthereildeil> apt-get install npm
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150[01:18:07] <neilthereildeil> E: Unable to locate package npm
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155[01:18:30] <sypher> neilthereildeil: What debian version are
you running?
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156[01:18:51] <neilthereildeil> 7.11
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157[01:19:03] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Then upgrade to jessie.
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158[01:19:16] <neilthereildeil> i want one package. i ont
wannaupgrade my whole OS
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159[01:19:21] <neilthereildeil> dont*
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160[01:19:29] <sypher> Well, there isn't an official debian
package for your OS, nor is there a backport.
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161[01:19:37] <neilthereildeil> ahh
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162[01:19:40] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks
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163[01:19:54] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Sorry, I could have been
a bit more clear and less grouchy about that.
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167[01:20:39] <neilthereildeil> np thanks for the help
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178[01:30:37] <Voldenet> neilthereildeil: what node version are
you using? Doesn't your nodejs package include npm?
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180[01:31:50] <sypher> Voldenet: In Debian, they're
packaged separately.
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181[01:31:55] <sypher> ,v nodejs
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183[01:31:56] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 4.7.2~dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.2~dfsg-2+b1;
sid: 4.8.1~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.9.2~dfsg-2
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185[01:32:49] <Voldenet> sypher: eh, really? I've got
`dpkg-query -L nodejs | grep npm | wc -l` > 2769 on jessie
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186[01:32:55] <sypher> Voldenet: On jessie.
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187[01:32:58] <Voldenet> Oh.
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188[01:33:00] <sypher> Voldenet: He's not on jessie.
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190[01:33:29] <Voldenet> Ah, stretch
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244[02:09:21] <blackflow> Just installed Stretch on my desktop
machine. I see there's "chromium-widevine" package,
but installing that seems insufficient to watch Netflix. What am I
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281[02:31:58] <abff> You mean like switch to sysv?
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286[02:33:48] <missmbob> blackflow:
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287[02:33:49] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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289[02:35:18] <missmbob> wallbroken:
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291[02:37:00] <blackflow> missmbob: I see, thanks!
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292[02:37:23] <missmbob> blackflow: i'm not sure if this
works. may be worth trying if you really need it.
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298[02:40:00] <blackflow> missmbob: it's okay, I've
installed Chrome too, I only need that for Netflix
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301[02:40:53] <bazhang> blackflow, firefox supports netflix
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303[02:42:38] <randy1985> what codec(s) does netflix use?
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304[02:43:12] <missmbob> google's vp8 and moving to vp9
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307[02:46:55] <randy1985> and firefox supports that natively?
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309[02:47:07] <missmbob> it does now. so does vivaldi
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310[02:47:48] <missmbob> and it's not "natively".
all use widevine
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315[02:50:09] <eck> what is widevine
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316[02:50:56] <missmbob> browser drm magic for viewing netflix
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322[02:56:46] <blackflow> bazhang: but not the ESR version
currently in Stretch
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325[02:57:50] <hays_> is there a place i can/should put
"sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200" so that it is created
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333[03:06:01] <missmbob> hays: just throw it in /etc/rc.local
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342[03:11:29] <hays> blackflow: something like this? "mkdir
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0666 /dev/net/tun"
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343[03:11:39] <hays> erm missmbob ^
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344[03:11:55] <hays> sorry about that
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346[03:12:13] <missmbob> sure. i have no idea what you're
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347[03:12:25] <missmbob> you have to chmod +x it to enable it
the first time
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348[03:12:34] <hays> missmbob: its needed for the tun module
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349[03:12:38] <ee> Hello. I have heard that there is some
security flaws regarding intel CPUs and that one should rather use
AMD. Does it matter what AMD cpu one should have or can I take
whatever? Anywhere I can read about this issue?
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350[03:13:29] <hays> missmbob:
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481[04:01:01] <Atm0spher1c> hi, how does the wipe before disk
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482[04:01:56] <Atm0spher1c> curious because now that I think
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484[04:02:48] <Toba> why would you assume that?
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485[04:02:52] <Atm0spher1c> iirc something like dban
shouldn't be used to wipe ssds
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486[04:02:54] <Toba> writing over it once is probably all it
does.
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487[04:03:17] <Toba> you're assuming what debian does is
like dban
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488[04:03:19] <Toba> and i'm assuming it's not
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489[04:03:23] <Atm0spher1c> no, but im wondering
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490[04:03:24] <Toba> neither of us knows :)
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491[04:03:28] <Toba> now I am too
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492[04:03:32] <Toba> but not enough to find out
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507[04:16:02] <newcoder> Can I remove /var/cache/fontconfig/* ?
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514[04:20:04] <CobaltSnax> I'm having an issue with an
external, encrypted hard drive not mounting.
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519[04:20:57] <CobaltSnax> I can see it in GNOME Partition
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567[04:50:57] <BlueProtoman> I have /boot and / on separate
partitions. /boot (which is ext3) is failing to mount and I
don't know why. Here's the log.
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591[05:10:08] <Voldenet> BlueProtoman: maybe try mounting it
manually, without systemctl
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594[05:10:23] <Voldenet> something like: mount
/dev/disk/by-uuid/89462155-4731-47d7-a1f1-f8aeec62d8a5 /boot
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596[05:10:58] <BlueProtoman> Voldenet: In emergency mode? Then
what?
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597[05:11:12] <Voldenet> well, if it mounts, then you're
done
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599[05:12:16] <Voldenet> if it doesn't, maybe you get more
info, error code 32 is "32 mount failure" in man
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602[05:13:40] <Voldenet> you can also try mounting it with just
"mount /boot"
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603[05:13:47] <Voldenet> it'll just read the line from
fstab
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608[05:14:19] <Voldenet> (also, dmesg might have some info)
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621[05:23:19] <sorin-mihai> BlueProtoman, check the uuid again,
'lsblk' will give more info about the relative
position/order of the partitions, while 'blkid' will give
you more info, including the correct uuid
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627[05:24:35] <LiuYan> `lsblk -o +uuid`, or `lsblk -O` will give
UUID too
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630[05:24:57] <sorin-mihai> also, while in emergency mode, after
mount is done, press Ctrl+D and systemd should continue the booting
process
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648[05:31:15] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I did that, but I
don't get any more console output
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649[05:32:09] <sorin-mihai> is the prompt back, or it's
stuck?
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651[05:32:40] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I can mount it fine,
but when I do Ctrl-D the prompt appears to be stuck. However, if I
force-poweroff the machine I get a message to that effect (forgot
the exact text)
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652[05:33:10] <sorin-mihai> how did you mount it in the end?
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653[05:33:20] <BlueProtoman> mount /dev/sda1 /boot
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654[05:33:44] <BlueProtoman> However, it's still running
because I can still try to SSH to it (i.e. it responds)
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655[05:34:30] <BlueProtoman> ...wait, I'm in!!!!
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657[05:34:42] <Voldenet> commence hacking
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658[05:34:44] <sorin-mihai> edit /etc/fstab, switch to /dev/sda1
instead of uuid
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659[05:35:05] <BlueProtoman> Does the order of /etc/fstab
entries matter?
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660[05:35:08] <sorin-mihai> at least until you can get the
correct uuid in there
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661[05:35:34] <sorin-mihai> of course. systemd uses it to mount
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662[05:35:43] <BlueProtoman> I have the right UUID, actually,
but mount /dev/sda1 is how I mounted it on the command line
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666[05:36:28] <sorin-mihai> then, if the booting process is
done, you can umount it and remount using the uuid. does it mount?
if yes, then double-check the fstab entry
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674[05:40:38] <BlueProtoman> So which should go first in fstab;
/, or /boot?
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677[05:41:09] <tx> BlueProtoman: it doesn't matter
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680[05:41:38] <sorin-mihai> wait, the order is not important.
sorry, i misread
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681[05:41:41] <tx> dependencies are determined after reading the
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682[05:41:56] <tx> it doesn't process the mounts by the
order you define (necessarily)
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740[06:02:31] <bertbob> the man page for fstab says order is
important but that may be outdated
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741[06:03:18] <siyanmao1> Hello everyone,I configured kdump on
debian 8, kernel 3.16. when i trigger a crash by using sysrq,
capture kernel hangup at smpboot. Log here:
replaced-url
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742[06:03:26] <siyanmao1> sorry for my
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744[06:03:35] <siyanmao1> sorry for my english^
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746[06:04:42] <aedinius> Now to sort out why my boot ssd keeps
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747[06:05:32] <aedinius> *sigh* I hope the SSD isn't dyin
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749[06:06:12] <aedinius> SATA link keeps dying, comes back up,
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753[06:09:33] <xyz___> hello, I'm having a problem with my
computer. Over 9000 pts for help :3. Redirect me if you know of a
channel that will know more about this. Here we go.
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754[06:10:14] <aedinius> Hm. SSD is 5 years old, I guess
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756[06:11:12] <xyz___> I have a windows 10 box. Installed on it
debian with a USB flash drive boot key. The drive is recognized when
I plug it in but it doesn't recognize that it is a keyfile and
returns me to the grub rescue screen
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764[06:13:09] <xyz___> if tried to turn on/off + different usb
ports, nothing. The debian os is recognized as an option to boot
from but with out the keyfile it simply returns to the grub rescue
screen as well.
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765[06:13:19] <xyz___> *I
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770[06:16:24] <Hoolootwo> I'm having a problem with the
netinstall image where it isn't seeing an internal hard drive
on a small laptop
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771[06:16:45] <Hoolootwo> the nixos installer sees /dev/mmcblk0
fine
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772[06:16:51] <Hoolootwo> so it's not a linux problem
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779[06:22:33] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: what kernel is nixos using?
Could it be just not able to see it with the older 3.16 kernel with
stable? If so a kernel from jessie-backports can help, but may not
help see the drive.
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782[06:24:03] <somiaj> I mean may not help see it during the
isntall.
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784[06:24:35] <Hoolootwo> yeah, if I can't see it during
the install, it's not extremely helpful
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786[06:25:47] <Hoolootwo> I'll try the testing image
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797[06:39:21] <Hoolootwo> yeah, testing sees it
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798[06:39:52] <Hoolootwo> I was hoping to put my mom on stable,
but I guess this is probably okay too
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807[06:47:32] <Hoolootwo> ok so um now I'd like to set up a
gpt partition table, is that default?
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808[06:47:42] <Hoolootwo> I am honestly confused by how this is
not an option
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809[06:48:07] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: stretch is frozen, biggiest
issue right now is no security support. If you really wanted to do
stable, you could do a manual install from a live image with a newer
kernel and install the jessie-backports kernel, it will see the the
drive
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810[06:48:19] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: did you boot in legacy or efi
mode? legacy will use mbr, efi will use gtp
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811[06:48:23] <somiaj> sorry gpt
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812[06:48:59] <Hoolootwo> oh, I'm not sure, I'm
guessing legacy
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814[06:49:13] <Hoolootwo> I guess that makes sense
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815[06:49:33] <somiaj> efi requires gpt, and legacy with gpt
requires this extra mbr compadability partition/setup
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816[06:49:52] <somiaj> so I think unless you manually set it up
you get the method based off how you boot
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821[06:51:55] <Hoolootwo> I just restarted the installation to
make sure I'm in EFI mode
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822[06:52:41] <Hoolootwo> what do you mean by 'no security
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824[06:53:24] <somiaj> no tiemly, stretch is frozen, and will
get security and bug fixes, but these filter though sid first and
may take 10+ days to make it into stretch.
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825[06:53:39] <Hoolootwo> oh, I see
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826[06:53:40] <somiaj> there are security mirrors up, but these
will only get used for security issues deemed sever enough.
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828[06:53:54] <somiaj> security support will offically start
once the release happens sometime this summer.
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829[06:54:03] <somiaj> last I checked there were about 230 rc
bugs to deal with
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830[06:54:29] <Hoolootwo> hmm :/
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832[06:54:48] <somiaj> for desktop use it should be okay
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833[06:55:14] <Hoolootwo> yeah, it's going to be my
mom's netbook, it probably won't be too big of an issue
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843[07:04:11] <Hoolootwo> somiaj++ thanks for all the help!
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878[07:23:23] <jvava> I have a gedit, which dont display
anything about my just installed plugin of source-browser, which
site say I need enable it under edit-preference of it, but I can not
find where it is, my debian is jessie, could you please help me?
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893[07:37:47] <somiaj> jvava: how did you install this plugin?
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897[07:38:55] <jvava> somiaj, I executing apt-get install
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898[07:39:10] <somiaj> did you restart gedit after you installed
this plugin?
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899[07:39:18] <somiaj> what was the name of the package?
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900[07:39:34] <jvava> yes, I restart many times
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901[07:39:41] <jvava> this plugin,
gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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902[07:40:32] <jvava> I remember that at the initial
installation, on the top bar there is a menu contains current
applications' menu, but now I can not found it
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903[07:40:44] <somiaj> jvava: what document type do you have
open with gedit?
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904[07:41:11] <somiaj> jvava: or do you have a document open,
also check to see if there is any info about special things you may
need to do after the install in
/usr/share/doc/gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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905[07:41:57] <jvava> a golang source, but the same as any other
doc
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907[07:42:33] <jvava> somiaj, I check everywhere I can found
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908[07:43:23] <jvava> now gedit has a few menu, without a named
edit menu
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909[07:43:51] <somiaj> I don't use gedit, is this on jessie
or stretch?
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911[07:44:12] <somiaj> just going over some things to check, but
seems like you have already done that.
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912[07:44:14] <jvava> somiaj, on jessie
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913[07:44:34] <jvava> I miss the before menu on my top bar,
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914[07:44:37] <somiaj> are you using anything from
jessie-backports?
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915[07:44:55] <jvava> I can not remember that, seems nothing
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916[07:45:18] <somiaj> look at the output of apt-cache policy
gedit gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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918[07:45:25] <jvava> Activate the plugin in Gedit by choosing
'Edit > Preferences', the selecting the
'Plugins' tab, and checking the box next to 'Soucre
Code Browser'.
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919[07:45:30] <somiaj> make sure that they are both either from
jessie or jessie-backports.
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921[07:45:52] <somiaj> and you can't find such an optoin
under Edit > Preferences?
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923[07:46:05] <jvava> yes, I can not find Edit
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926[07:47:03] <somiaj> the only other thing I can think of is
create a new user, log in with this new user and test. This means
you have some config inside of $HOME messing with things.
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928[07:47:10] <somiaj> well if it works that way
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929[07:47:28] <jvava> good idea, I will do
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934[07:49:10] <jvava> thank you, somiaj
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935[07:49:29] <somiaj> was that the issue?
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944[07:50:49] <somiaj> gottigo: this is not a proper place for
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948[07:52:56] <somiaj> jvava: ahh I thought you were sucessful,
well hopefully it is the case, if not I don't know what else to
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same problem.
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965[08:06:58] <somiaj> jvava: got it to work, but that was
stretch, let me double check on a jessie vm
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972[08:08:52] <jvava> solved
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973[08:09:35] <jvava> the activities menu is masked by another
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menu in the activities
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974[08:10:45] <tjsimmons> Boy I'm bad at bash scripts
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983[08:14:31] <tjsimmons> somiaj: oh I know. I was just making a
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997[08:25:43] <dmark> i'm experiencing difficulties trying
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998[08:26:00] <dmark> actually installing works but it
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1057[08:55:44] <newcoder> Why don't I see unicode characters
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1076[09:02:36] <latemus> i switched to unstable. iis it possible
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1082[09:06:48] <jolt> latemus: For your sanity I think an
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1143[09:31:38] <latemus> jolt: thanks bro. i corrected my broken
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documentation of all the apt options like
"APT::Get::Show-Upgraded"?
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1165[09:44:10] <Iridos> or actually, taking one step back, I
think the concernc that the manpage of cron-apt voices are outdated
since packages are signed… so maybe it's time for me to
have automated upgrades within stable… but I'd like
toget mail *only* if anything new was installed and don't want
to see the list of packages that are kept back over and over again
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1166[09:45:24] <Iridos> I guess I could skip cron-apt and just
have a regular script do it and create a diff… but
that'd mean I get a mail when packages are upgraded… and
the day after when they're not
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1168[09:45:57] <Iridos> except if I diff against a pre-prepared
file… which would mean to manually fiddle if list of
kept-back packages that I don't want to touch at that moment
changes
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1172[09:47:45] <krpt> Hi, I have several versions of kernels
installed on my system and I'd wish to 'hold' onto a
specific one . How can I freeze it ? ( avoid initrd updates and so
on .. )
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1174[09:48:10] <krpt> It's not the newer I wish to hold onto
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1178[09:49:48] <krpt> downgrade and hold ?
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1224[10:13:34] <ksk> Hey guys, if I add an interface called
"dummy0" does it automaticly get "NOARP" - and
does that mean it will not answer on arp requests?
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1225[10:13:47] <tx> names are names
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1226[10:13:51] <ksk> is there some hard-coded schema or why is
that?
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1227[10:13:51] <tx> beyond that they mean nothing
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1228[10:13:59] <ksk> okay, thanks.
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1229[10:14:10] <tx> you can call the interface fruitloops
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1230[10:14:15] <tx> and it will still be an interface
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1236[10:16:35] <ksk> okay, just wondering why it is NOARP right
now, AFIAK I did not say that :>
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1339[10:58:14] <Iridos> krpt…
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1343[11:01:03] <jelly> ksk: what do you do to "add an
interface" anyway
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1344[11:01:10] <os_> hi all
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1346[11:02:33] <os_> i wonder where is openswan in jessie
repositories
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1349[11:05:14] <ksk> everything seems to be fine with that
interface, but I have the issue that ipvsadm is not showing any
connections for my LVS setup ;)
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1350[11:05:27] <ksk> I will debug that myself, thanks.
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1352[11:06:13] <altyr> os_:
replaced-url
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1353[11:06:14] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1358[11:07:14] <os_> altyr, thanks brother
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1359[11:07:29] <altyr> np. maybe try strongswan as suggested in
the bug report
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1360[11:07:48] <os_> ok
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1384[11:19:17] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on
jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file
drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1398[11:25:21] <bitlan_> hello
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1399[11:25:41] <bitlan_> what is the best solution for download
file from server with multipleconnections?
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1400[11:25:53] <serpente> pray
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1401[11:26:05] <bitlan_> i ned download proxmox backup to my
desktop (with debian)
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1404[11:27:34] <ksk> bitlan_: use either rsync or http. you dont
really need "multiplce connections" in like 9.5 of 10
cases.
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1408[11:28:12] <ksk> Only if you have many many small files, and
really fast harddisks
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1409[11:28:20] <bitlan_> ksk: OVH probably set speed limit per
connection
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1411[11:28:42] <blackflow> multiple connections make sense only
if server is limiting single connection to a speed that's
smaller than your inbound pipe
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1414[11:28:56] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp has support for multiple
connections, not sure if using all protocols
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1415[11:29:19] <jelly> but sftp, at least in theory, ought to be
able to do that
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1416[11:29:21] <ayor> hello all. I wanted to get some advice. I
have to install a fresh copy of debian on my laptop and i'm a
bit on the fence
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1417[11:29:24] <blackflow> bitlan_: how big is the backup?
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1419[11:30:19] <ayor> should I install jessie now and then just
re-install stretch again when it's out
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1422[11:30:40] <ayor> or should i go for Stretch rc2 and then
just upgrade to release?
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1423[11:30:44] <jelly> bitlan_: yeah, it does.
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1424[11:30:52] <AppelIsBad> рш
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1425[11:30:56] <AppelIsBad> hi
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1426[11:31:06] <blackflow> ayor: I went directly to Stretch RC
dvd iso last night
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1427[11:31:50] <ayor> blackflow, when the final release is out,
can you upgrade your install seamlessly from the RC? I can't
find an answer to this question
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1429[11:32:03] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp, open
sftp://your-ssh-user@server/, cd wherver, help pget
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1431[11:32:22] <blackflow> ayor: yes, just upgrade
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1433[11:32:40] <blackflow> ayor: make sure the apt sources state
"stretch" and not "testing" so that will leave
you on the Stretch branch
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1436[11:32:55] <blackflow> ayor: it's like that by default
when you install from the rc dvd iso
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1437[11:33:16] <jelly> ayor: you can, but the result may not
match exactly what you'd get by reinstalling cleanly
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1438[11:33:51] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks for the info
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1439[11:33:57] <ayor> jelly what are the cons?
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1440[11:34:25] <ayor> It just takes me quite some time to get my
development environment set so i'm just trying to avoid a
re-install if possible
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1447[11:36:25] <ayor> another question regarding install. I was
trying a netinstall, and I went on intel's website to download
the firmware for my wifi card. I unzipped the contents and put it in
the firmware folder on the install usb key but
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1451[11:36:39] <ayor> during install my wifi card didn't get
detected
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1453[11:37:17] <ayor> any idea what I would be missing here?
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1470[11:43:55] <blackflow> ayor: I've never had luck with
firmware during the installation. So if you can use netinstall
without it, just do it, you can always install firmware from
non-free repo later
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1474[11:46:41] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks :)
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1505[12:03:24] <hiya> Windows Movie Maker replacement for Debian?
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1506[12:03:25] <hiya> Anyone ?
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1511[12:06:27] <petn-randall> hiya: What does it do?
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1512[12:07:17] <hiya> petn-randall, I need a program to create a
small video clip by adding pictures and effects easily
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1514[12:07:41] <hiya> to share with family over facebook etc for
example for invitation to a party
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1515[12:07:50] <hiya> is Pitivi or Kdenlive good for it?
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1517[12:08:32] <petn-randall> hiya: sure, try them and see.
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1534[12:16:59] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on
jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file
drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1539[12:18:26] <BluesKaj> hi folks
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1549[12:21:32] <TEXM> Good Morning Bluekaj
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1552[12:22:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TEXM
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1554[12:22:12] <itsiam_> hiya: i used kdenlive for similar task.
and avidemux
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1586[12:35:41] <____Adam> Hi! I need some help, i would need a
webcamera streamer software what can create a dummy node (feed other
programs, like a browser) and can mirror the image horizontally. I
cannot kick in webcamstudio, nor webcamoid, because of that roo
password issue
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1612[12:56:37] <Silicium> is there a way to list all licenses
(short) included in a package?
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1614[12:56:56] <Silicium> the license.txt is not really machine
readable
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1629[13:03:38] <Iridos> did you mean the COPYING file?
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1632[13:04:36] <Iridos> where do you see a license.text
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1633[13:04:59] <Iridos> (except for some specific packages)
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1639[13:07:11] <Iridos> look at
replaced-url
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1640[13:07:35] <jelly> Silicium: and
replaced-url
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1642[13:09:16] <Iridos> guess /usr/share/doc/*/copyright is the
best one gets?
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1643[13:09:48] <jelly> best wait to see if they respond and
clarify what they were actually looking at
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1644[13:09:58] <Silicium> yes but not parsable for all packages
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1647[13:10:24] <jelly> Silicium: what did you mean by
license.txt?
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1648[13:10:25] <Silicium> i need the short id of the license,
License: sometimes contains the whole license text and multiple
licenses
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1649[13:10:39] <Silicium> s/license.txt/copyright
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1651[13:10:51] <jelly> Silicium: which debian release are you
looking at?
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1654[13:11:09] <Silicium> sadly i'am forced to use ubuntu
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1656[13:11:50] <Silicium> debian_version is jessie/sid
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1657[13:11:57] <jelly> Silicium: you're asking in wrong
channel then, we have no idea what ubuntu's policy about
machine readable debian/copyright is, if any
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1660[13:12:33] <Silicium> iam sure it is the same thing in debian
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1664[13:12:42] <jelly> I'm very sure it's not.
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1665[13:12:48] <Silicium> :D
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1666[13:13:03] <jelly> go ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
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1667[13:13:13] <Silicium> :(
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1669[13:13:57] <jelly> even in Debian, usage of
copyright-format/1.0 is, as the text says, optional
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1670[13:13:58] <Silicium> just looked into the same package on
debian - its the same issue
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1672[13:14:16] <Silicium> check the bsdutils package
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1674[13:14:21] <jelly> Silicium: I'm sure the maintainer
will accept your patches.
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1676[13:14:31] <jelly> !reportbug
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1677[13:14:32] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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1679[13:14:50] <Silicium> so there is no other way to get the
licenses?
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1682[13:15:36] <jelly> Silicium: bsdutils in jessie has this as
first line of copyright:
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1683[13:15:39] <jelly> Format:
replaced-url
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1684[13:15:58] <jelly> (jessie is debian 8, the current release)
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1685[13:16:14] <Silicium> so this is a quiet new feature, i see
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1686[13:16:18] <Silicium> thx so far
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1688[13:16:47] <jelly> so that one package is updated to use it
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1690[13:17:20] <jelly> except on your release of ubuntu, which we
know nothing about. Again. Go ask #ubuntu.
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1693[13:17:40] <jelly> or use debian, that's fine, too :-)
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1714[13:23:09] <helldorado> hi all
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1717[13:24:53] <helldorado> I am trying to install a vm with 25G
with a specific preseed. I have this error during installation and
do not load my expert_recipe => partman-auto: Available disk
space (26843) too small for expert recipe (41168); skipping
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1730[13:28:50] <deathrose> hallo
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1737[13:33:11] <DuckZ> hi, I downloaded
[bmake_20160220.orig.tar.gz] and [bmake_20160220-2.debian.tar.xz]
from here
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1739[13:33:21] <serpente> I cannot compile modules on 4.9.0: ld:
cannot open output file drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a
directory
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1740[13:33:27] <serpente> please help
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1741[13:33:29] <serpente> thanks
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1746[13:34:19] <DuckZ> just building bmake didn't do it, I
think because of this
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1750[13:37:34] <blackflow> serpente: building the kernel?
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1753[13:39:05] <serpente> blackest_mamba: make oldconfig, make
modules
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1755[13:40:06] <blackflow> serpente: well, haven't done it
on Debian yet, but did plenty of kernel builds on Gentoo. I'd
suggest run make clean first. or, back up your .config somewhere and
do a full clean sweep with mrproper
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1756[13:40:15] <serpente> blackflow: make oldconfig, make modules
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1774[13:45:49] <Iridos> DuckZ, on debian systems apt-get source
bmake does it all for you
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1775[13:46:45] <Iridos> one file just contains the debian
directory
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1776[13:46:59] <Iridos> and that has a subdirectory
debian/patches/
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1777[13:47:06] <DuckZ> Iridos: I wish... I'm on some super
old centos :/
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1778[13:47:13] <Iridos> the rest seems kind of obvious
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1782[13:48:28] <DuckZ> so if I get it right, I should apply the
patches inside debian/patches before building, then compile,
install, then copy euh... some stuff from debian/ into my prefix
dir, is that right?
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1784[13:49:14] <wildpenguin> hello, which is the default DE for
Debian Stable? which DE is preferred by most debian users?
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1786[13:51:38] <die7> wildpenguin: DE is Gnome , KDE, XFCE, LXDE,
Mate but you can also install and use openbox, fluxbox
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1789[13:52:14] <wildpenguin> which is most intuitive DE?
especially for beginners?
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1790[13:52:19] <die7> wildpenguin: depends on what you like , for
me is mate on desktop ok , it is based on old gnome-2
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1791[13:52:23] <sypher> Also cinnamon.
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1793[13:52:31] <die7> sypher: jepp
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1805[13:56:02] <b_jonas> I think I found out my problem.
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1806[13:56:03] <judd> Bug
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1808[13:56:30] <b_jonas> So I'm actually running an older
kernel, which I suspected, but I checked its name, and it has the
same name as the most recent kernel, so I ruled it out.
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1810[13:56:44] <b_jonas> I'll have to upgrade to the newer
kernel, so that it matches the installed modules.
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1813[13:57:28] <wildpenguin> ok
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1816[13:58:30] <b_jonas> What's the boot time option to
cause the init script to give me a root command line prompt before
it tries to change from the initrd to the final root file system?
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1818[13:59:04] <b_jonas> Although... that might not help me, the
initrd probably won't be enough.
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1819[13:59:14] <b_jonas> I'll boot from a rescue disk or
something.
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1820[13:59:23] <BluesKaj> wildpenguin, KDE/plasma has a more
familiar look to former windows users, but it's a bit heavier
on the cpu and gpu than other lighter DEs
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1835[14:03:31] <DuckZ> if I apply the debian patches and copy the
content of the directory into bmake's source it compiles fine
but then make install fails:
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1876[14:22:25] <galex-713> How
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1877[14:22:30] <galex-713> *Hi
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1878[14:22:47] <galex-713> Any informations about digitally
signing pdfs with free software?
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1882[14:25:19] <tw> afaik, you can't, but I would also be
interested in such information. The PDF2 specification makes it
relatively easy to do, but it's not final.
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1884[14:25:43] <abff> what does signing a pdf mean?
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1886[14:26:03] <abff> Like a personal hash that only could have
been you?
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1887[14:26:10] <abff> PGP style?
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1888[14:26:27] <tw> Apply a non-repudiatable digital signature
using x509 issued by an identity provider like verisign.
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1890[14:26:48] <abff> ew
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1891[14:27:10] <tw> It's standard enterprise stuff. GPG WOT
is not enterprise friendly.
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1892[14:27:34] <abff> double ew
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1894[14:27:42] <Stummi> gpg --sign file.pdf (*covers* ;) )
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1902[14:29:51] <galex-713> x)
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1905[14:30:33] <tw> As I understand it, PDF2 allows almost
arbitrary cryptographic extensions, so you can use a GPG key, if
someone makes a sign/verification spec & implementation for it.
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1906[14:30:41] <galex-713> cooooooool
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1907[14:30:43] <galex-713> :D
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1908[14:31:09] <tw> It just won't be accepted in enterprise,
so it's super useless to me XD
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1909[14:31:22] <galex-713> tw, the worst option would be you
would have to generate a self-signed X509 from your gpg key before
to sign, since some software like gnutls allows the usage of pgp
keys instead of x509
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1910[14:31:33] <Iridos> maybe php-tcpdf
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1911[14:31:39] <galex-713> tw: in France soon paying taxes will
be mandatorily on-line
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1912[14:32:00] <galex-713> and you sign cryptographically a
PDF form
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1913[14:32:12] <galex-713> Iridos, ?
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1915[14:32:29] <galex-713> tw, yet I thought it was PDF 1.5
or 1.6 that allowed crypto signatures
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1917[14:32:41] <Iridos> galex-713, apt-cache show php-tcpdf |
grep -i sign
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1918[14:33:00] <Iridos> and yes, php
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1919[14:33:01] <galex-713> I heard poppler has kinda began to
build experimental support for pdf certifications… back in
2008…
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1920[14:33:04] <galex-713> :/
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1921[14:33:06] <galex-713> php :/
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1922[14:33:24] <Iridos> well, I'll just not tell you what I
found next time
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1923[14:33:26] <tw> galex-713: Sure, but that's in the dark
days of non-standard PDF spec. When it was still under the Adobe
umbrella.
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1924[14:33:27] <jelly> galex-713: it seems there are pdf signage
CLOUD solutions now
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1926[14:33:30] <Iridos> and maybe skip the search
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1928[14:33:52] <galex-713> jelly, what?
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1929[14:33:58] <galex-713> what CLOUD is?
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1930[14:34:01] <galex-713> is it in debian?
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1931[14:34:03] <jelly> you "merely" have to send your
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1933[14:34:19] <Iridos> yay
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1934[14:34:19] <galex-713> tw, PDF2 is not anymore adobe? :DD
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1935[14:34:31] <galex-713> jelly, ah xD
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1936[14:34:39] <galex-713> sending private key over network, yay
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1937[14:34:49] <jelly> I have no idea how it actually works
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1938[14:34:51] <tw> pdf1.7 is standardized, but it refers to a
number of non-standard specifications, including the adobe-js spec.
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1939[14:35:00] <abff> yay.
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1940[14:35:04] <tw> it's a shitstorm of sadness =(
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1941[14:35:22] <galex-713> Iridos, at least if a php lib
implements it, it means if it’s not implemented in poppler
that’s not because it’s too difficult but because nobody
is working on it
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1943[14:36:12] <galex-713> is poppler (the library) official
channel #poppler on this irc network?
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1944[14:36:32] <Iridos> also… searching the debian
archives only searches through the package descriptions
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1945[14:37:34] <Iridos> anyway libpoppler is only for rendering?
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1949[14:39:10] <galex-713> Iridos, poppler is for pdf in general
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1951[14:39:18] <galex-713> programs using poppler just are the UI
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1952[14:39:44] <galex-713> but afaik poppler deals with PDF
format/standards/features, text selection, pdf edits, etc.
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1953[14:39:50] <Iridos> that's why it's called "
PDF rendering library"?
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1959[14:40:32] <Iridos> in the package description and on
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1960[14:40:44] <galex-713> you know, gecko is a “render
engine” and it deals with crypto
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1965[14:41:20] <galex-713> I saw some tentatives from 2008 to
implement PDF signatures and it says it requires modifications to
both poppler and evince|okular|whatever
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1967[14:42:05] <Iridos> where does gecko deal with encryption?
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1968[14:42:13] <Iridos> anyway… not everything that's
horrible is a comparison
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1972[14:43:19] <Papillon> there's still postscript that
it's all based on but it doesn't have a lot of features?
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1973[14:43:37] <gaddafi_00> Hi. Im new here. I am planning to
move from Ubuntu onto Debian. What would you recommend so that I can
get up and quick with it.
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1974[14:43:38] <galex-713>
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1976[14:44:10] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, what do you mean?
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1977[14:44:26] <galex-713> do you mean like “is it possible
to use Unity and to have a roll-release distro”?
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1978[14:45:01] <gaddafi_00> No. I hate Unity. Im on KDE
(Kubuntu).
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1979[14:45:07] <Iridos> verifying a signature would be a task I
might see the renderer do… signing on the ohter hand…
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1981[14:45:24] <gaddafi_00> I wanna know if there are notable
differences between the distros
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1983[14:46:17] <Papillon> small differences in the interface I
guess
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1984[14:46:20] <galex-713> Iridos,
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1985[14:46:21] <BluesKaj> galex-713, sort of, if you keep your
packages up to date
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1986[14:46:57] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, debian stable usually has
older packages than ubuntu, because package versions don't
change during a release to guarantee as much as possible that no new
bugs get in… and one major difference is that firmware (for
wlan etc.) is not in the debian main archives or the normal
installer CD because firmware was considered non-free and moved out
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1987[14:47:22] <Iridos> there are inofficial installer images
that include the firmware, though, if you need to e.g. install via
wlan
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1988[14:47:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, use testing and it will
globally rolling-release like ubuntu except it will be a bit less
stable and maybe a lot more difficult to get support (and a bit
little more than for debian stable)
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1990[14:48:33] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, also mostly non-free
hardware is not supported but you can still either install manually
the non-free software (dunno how), or purchase free hardware (not
that difficult)
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1993[14:48:55] <Iridos> we don't don't suggest using
testing because testing implies that you're willing to fix and
report bugs (and are able to do so, i.e. know your way around the
system)
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1997[14:49:17] <abff> gaddafi_00 Id start with a live USB
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1999[14:49:43] <abff> I use XFCE, I installed from my live usb
and I never went back :)
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2000[14:49:47] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, but globally ubuntu is
just like debian except it’s a big company providing lot of
non-free software and a lot more known so with a bigger community
(but you can still ask support on ubuntu community when you’re
using debian and vice versa, works most of time)
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2001[14:49:57] <gaddafi_00> abff, Let me download it and try out.
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2003[14:50:51] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, this is kind of a special
time, though… stretch has been frozen for a while…
which means that no new versions get in only as many bugfixes as
possible … when the bug count reaches a practical zero,
stretch will be released
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2004[14:51:13] <OerHeks> galex-713, debian channels and ubuntu
channels disagree, one can ask, but getting the right answer is
unlikely
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2005[14:51:16] <Iridos> so in this case it might be pretty
worthwhile to install stretch and help finding and fixing more bugs
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2006[14:51:34] <galex-713> OerHeks, saw a lot of that on forums
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2007[14:51:48] <Iridos> galex-713, you were just saying that
debian es the same as ubuntu only that it's totally different
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2008[14:51:53] <gaddafi_00> galex-713, Thank you. But if I switch
my servers from Ubuntu, I will not have a very hard timw
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2010[14:53:12] <galex-713> Iridos, depend of what is the same and
what is not, actually at a first shot I tend to explain the main
differences that can be seen from an ubuntu user
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2014[14:54:06] <galex-713> but sorry I let you explain ^^
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2015[14:54:10] <Iridos> galex-713, and you should never ask
ubuntu support questions here… it's extremely
frustrating for the people answering it in here and will get you
slapped around for it if it's found out after an hour of
fruitless search because basic assumptions true for debian just
aren't true for something randomly based on it
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2019[14:54:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, might be a lot different
when we speak about servers and not basic desktop usage
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2026[14:55:40] <galex-713> Iridos, yeah, I was mostly thinking to
newbie debian users asking on ubuntu forums/sx, and sometimes ubuntu
users asking on debian forums, less irc, and more debian->ubuntu
than the opposite
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2032[14:56:59] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: most notable differences?
Ubuntu specific software. Not just Unity and upcoming Mir (if it
ever comes out), but Ubuntu specific patches to many other packages,
the kernel, ...
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2033[14:57:34] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: knowledge of Debian will
apply to Ubuntu, but more than the other way around
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2037[14:59:13] <galex-713> blackflow, +1, mostly what I tried to
say yet terribly ^^'
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2040[14:59:40] <blackflow> After three years of running Ubuntu on
my main desktop and some servers, (because I can, and why not), got
fed up with constant breakage of things in Ubuntu, and switched back
to Debian. The servers will be switched back on next upgrade cycle,
I dodged a few bullets there too, even with the LTS (S != stable :)
)
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2046[15:02:58] <jeddi> Consider
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2048[15:04:07] <AppelIsBad> hi, Why the debian-software is so old
as the dinosaurs?
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2050[15:04:23] <jeddi> AppelIsBad: it's not.
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2052[15:04:30] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about sns
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2055[15:04:44] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about stable
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2058[15:05:19] <Habitual> Is that like one of the most asked
questions?
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2060[15:06:25] <petn-randall> Habitual: No, the other half is
complaining why Debian is adopting so much new things like 256 color
terminals or a init system from the 21st century.
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2061[15:06:40] <tw> I'm in the latter group.
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2062[15:06:55] * petn-randall loves his 256 colours.
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2063[15:07:01] <tw> serial console + busybox init ;)
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2065[15:07:06] <Habitual> ^
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2066[15:07:15] <jeddi> 8 colours (plus bold combinations) should
be enough for everyone.
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2068[15:07:35] <Habitual> well, if it doesn't break?
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2072[15:07:57] <Elirips> why even colors?
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2073[15:08:01] <petn-randall> AppelIsBad: If your actual question
is "where do I get more current Debian packages from?",
the answer is "backports".
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2074[15:08:12] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about jessie
backports
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2076[15:08:16] <jeddi> or 'testing / unstable'
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2077[15:08:21] <Habitual> ^
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2079[15:08:35] <petn-randall> Not recommended for beginners.
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2081[15:08:42] <BluesKaj> what about contrib non-free ?
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2084[15:09:15] <blackflow> 256 colors was first available on vga
320x240 pixel mode. twenty years later, 256 colors in 320x240 column
terminals (4k displays) :)
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2085[15:09:17] <jeddi> petn-randall: appreciate that. but ...
unstable's been delightfully trouble-free for me the past
several years. used to have some serious packaging issues every few
months back in the late 90's through mid 00's. maybe
i'm just slower to upgrade regularly these days.
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2092[15:10:42] <petn-randall> jeddi: Nice it works for you, but
not too long ago it broke for every nvidia user out there, just as
an example. And it does need some fixing here and there from time to
time.
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2100[15:11:52] <jeddi> petn-randall: i must have not been
updating back then (i run proprietary nvidia modules on a few of my
boxes). i've always assumed if people think software > 3yo
is analogous to dinosaur epoch ... they want to live a little closer
to the edge. ;)
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2114[15:14:48] <petn-randall> jeddi: Sure, but testing/sid is
*not* a rolling release, you're beta-testing software for the
upcoming release. So recommending to upgrade should come with a big,
fat boilerplate stating that.
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2118[15:16:17] <petn-randall> jeddi: Also, channel policy is, if
you have to ask "Should I upgrade to testing?", then the
answer is always "no". :)
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2119[15:16:47] <jeddi> fairy nuff.
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2139[15:24:41] <slunatecqo> hi guys - I am trying to make NFS
work. I started a NFS server in container that seems to work
perfectly and than mount it (commands and outputs
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2141[15:25:13] <slunatecqo> The wierder thing is, that I belive 2
days ago I mounted exactly this way...
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2147[15:28:27] <slunatecqo> ok - probably solved the incorrect
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2150[15:30:30] <Papillon> they should have used the spruce goose
for the berlin airlift
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2153[15:30:45] <jim> (2 separate questions) does python2, and
does python3, have anything to do with core or packaging stuff in
debian? (like, is debian core functionality likely to be broken if
python were to be upgraded or otherwise changed?)
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2161[15:31:23] <Papillon>
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2162[15:31:27] <Papillon> firewall problem?
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2163[15:31:28] <BluesKaj> Papillon, intersting thought, but where
could it land ?
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2164[15:31:30] <jim> (the question in the ()s can be split into
py2 and py3)
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2165[15:31:53] <Papillon> berlin has a river
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2166[15:32:04] <jim> BluesKaj, heya
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2167[15:32:24] <Papillon> havel river?
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2169[15:32:46] <Papillon> tegeler see?
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2170[15:33:02] <BluesKaj> yeah ok, but does it have a 3km
straight stretch >
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2174[15:34:46] <themill> jim: you can cheerfully break every
package that starts with "python" in doing this in a way
that prevents future installations and upgrades with apt.
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2175[15:34:46] <Papillon> I think so. Question is can a seaplane
land on a frozen river, and if so, how thick does the ice need to be
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2176[15:34:50] <petn-randall> Papillon: Wrong channel?
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2177[15:34:51] <sypher> !chat
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2178[15:34:52] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or
##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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2183[15:35:20] <Papillon> I was making a joke about someone who
asked for any ideas
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2185[15:35:59] <BluesKaj> oops
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2190[15:37:14] <jim> themill, I'm not sure I understand...
you're saying python isn't involved in core debian
functionality?
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2195[15:37:53] <BluesKaj> Hi jim
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2200[15:39:34] <themill> jim: you'd need to define
"core debian functionality". There are 48k packages.
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2203[15:40:18] <jim> themill, for one thing, does either python 2
or 3 have any involvement in packaging/
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2205[15:40:20] <jim> ?
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2206[15:40:23] <blackflow> jim: are you concerned about things
breaking like they do on gentoo if mess with python?
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2207[15:40:29] <blackflow> *if you mess
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2208[15:40:40] <themill> jim: sure, they are used by every
package with "python" in the name
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2214[15:41:24] <themill> and you can make it so that no
python-using package can be installed or upgraded (and hence no
package can be installed or upgraded)
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2215[15:42:06] <jim> themill, so by that, you mean that there are
some modules used by python, that probably have a depend on python 2
or 3
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2218[15:42:33] <themill> I have no idea what you're saying
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2224[15:43:49] <themill> IRC does hypotheticals badly. How about
asking a concrete question.
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2225[15:43:51] <sypher> I think he's asking "Will I
break Debian if I install a different Python version, or remove
Python."
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2226[15:43:52] <jim> themill, my question is more, is python used
(say) as a scripting language for things like apt, apt-get,
aptitude, etc, such that, if the python were broken, it would
generally prevent package installs?
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2229[15:44:15] <themill> apt does not use python. maintainer
scripts use python
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2232[15:44:29] <Papillon> is there a way to see a list of
essential packages?
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2233[15:44:39] <themill> Papillon: aptitude search ~E
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2238[15:45:03] <themill> (note that apt incorrectly adds itself
to that list)
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2242[15:45:58] <jim> themill, is that true of some packages that
don't have python in the name? is it therefore true that
packages having python maintainer scripts, pre-depend on python?
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2244[15:46:25] <themill> they don't need to pre-depend on
python
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2245[15:46:42] <sypher> This is an X/Y problem.
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2248[15:46:50] <jim> is some version of python in the base?
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2250[15:46:55] <petn-randall> !goal
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2251[15:46:55] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2254[15:47:07] <Papillon> I don't think python is in base
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2255[15:47:10] <themill> jim: please ask your real question, this
is boring and/or frustrating
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2256[15:47:15] <themill> there is no "base"
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2257[15:47:31] <centrx> He wants to know, if python is broken,
will it break apt, etc. (dpkg?) preventing package installs
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2258[15:47:33] <petn-randall> Maybe in baseball? But that's
offtopic.
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2261[15:47:50] <themill> centrx: which I have said
"yes" to about 10 times now.
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2264[15:48:15] <Papillon> apt seems to be c, it doesn't
require python
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2265[15:48:21] <themill> *sigh*
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2267[15:48:23] <jim> ok, good enough
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2268[15:48:27] <Papillon> it doesn't even recommend or
suggest python
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2270[15:48:42] <Papillon> python doesn't even enhance apt
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2275[15:49:10] <themill> How I wish reading were involved in
text-based media.
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2276[15:49:19] <jim> Papillon, but one thing that would break,
would be those packages whose maint scripts are in python
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2277[15:49:34] <themill> s/are in/call/
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2279[15:49:46] <Papillon> if a package has a script that requires
python that package presumably would require python
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2282[15:50:41] <Papillon> like of you had a dvr front end program
that used python scripts, pythondvrfrontend, pythondvrfrontend would
require python
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2286[15:51:12] <jim> that was one question I had: in such a
package, would there be a -pre- depend on python? or, is some
version/build of python in the base?
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2288[15:51:37] <BluesKaj> like pytivo
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2289[15:51:42] <themill> there still is no base.
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2291[15:51:53] <themill> and there is still no need for a
pre-depends
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2293[15:52:49] <jim> ok, what mechanism replaces the one that
makes sure that python is installed before installing a packages
whose maint scripts use it?
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2296[15:53:23] <themill> "Depends: python" is enough
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2297[15:54:05] <sypher> Also note that lsb-release depends on
python.
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2299[15:54:28] <tdn> I am trying to install Debian 8 on an SSD
and then install Grub on MBR on a USB thumb drive. This fails,
however. Is it not possible to install Grub on MBR on a USB device?
Note, I also chose to put /boot on the USB device.
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2304[15:55:28] <nkuttler> tdn: you can install grub on any device
you want. not sure though how flexible the installer is
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2306[15:55:33] <Papillon> is MBR a feature of the old partition
format the one before gpt?
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2308[15:55:51] <newcoder> How can I remove files with rc? rc
texlive-lang-korean
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2309[15:55:54] <jim> oh, on to the "there is no
base"... how would the mechanism that builds a netinstall that
contains this thing (if it's not a base, what's it
called?) know what packages to include in the image?
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2313[15:56:40] <tdn> nkuttler, why would it even know the
difference between it being a USB device and a real HDD?
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2314[15:56:43] <sypher> What is the point of this line of
questioning?
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2315[15:56:47] <BluesKaj> tdn, why are you making it so difficult
for yourself , install grub on the ssd, unless you have other
reasons that I can't think of
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2316[15:56:54] <tdn> Papillon, what should I use instead? This is
what the insatller tries to do
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2318[15:57:00] <Iridos> newcoder, "purge" … look
in the manpage of aptitude/apt-get/apt/whatever you use for exact
usage (it differs)
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2319[15:57:02] <tdn> BluesKaj, I cannot boot from the USB
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2321[15:57:31] <nkuttler> tdn: i'd think the installer uses
the disk where /boot is, if the interface doesn't allow to
customize that just run grub-install from a shell?
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2323[15:57:57] <themill> jim: you define an installation target
and then find all the packages that are needed to fulfil the
dependencies. Priority:standard + bootloader + kernel for the
netinst image -- but none of those are required for a debian
installation. (the KDE image also has task-kde-desktop etc).
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2324[15:57:59] <newcoder> tripkin: I don't want to remove
individually. How can I remove all files with rc?
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2326[15:58:14] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is an HP server with room for
4 storage disks + one 5th system disk (The SSD). The 5th disk is
where I install Debian. The 5th disk, however, does is not bootable.
So I would install grub and /boot on a USB that I insert into the
board inside the case.
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2328[15:58:31] <tdn> nkuttler, the installed explicitly asks me
where to install grub to MBR
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2331[15:58:46] <nkuttler> tdn: and the usb drive doesn't
show up?
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2332[15:58:53] <jim> standard?! standard is huge! doesn't it
include build-essential and tex?
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2333[15:58:59] <themill> no.
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2334[15:59:24] <tdn> nkuttler, yes, it does show up as /dev/sdc.
And I can select it. But grub install to MBR fails. It does not say
why.
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2339[15:59:39] <nkuttler> tdn: run grub-install from a shell
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2340[15:59:43] <tdn> nkuttler, the USB is also present during
isntall. That is how I chose to isntall /boot on it
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2341[15:59:49] <tdn> nkuttler, how do I get a shell?
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2342[16:00:00] <nkuttler> tdn: alt-right in the curses installer
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2343[16:00:03] <jim> ok, so then standard must have been gutted
:)
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2345[16:00:14] <themill> jim: no
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2346[16:00:21] <themill> you're just making stuff up
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2347[16:00:44] <BluesKaj> dpkg, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not
mbr
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2348[16:00:44] <dpkg> BluesKaj: wish i knew
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2349[16:00:47] <jim> hence the phrase "must have been",
yes
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2350[16:00:54] <tdn> nkuttler, grub-install is not available at
that shell
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2352[16:01:19] <nkuttler> tdn: you probably have to chroot into
/target or what it was, and mount the kernel stuff etc
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2353[16:01:22] <nkuttler> proc
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2360[16:02:52] <BluesKaj> tdn, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not
mbr should work, from your media usb or dvd/cd
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2361[16:04:03] <tdn> BluesKaj, grub-install: not found
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2363[16:05:10] <BluesKaj> sudo grub-install
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2365[16:05:28] <BluesKaj> this debian rememeber
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2369[16:06:02] <BluesKaj> it'll say not found if you forget
sudo
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2389[16:13:22] <tdn> BluesKaj, apt-get: not found
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2391[16:13:29] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a limited busybox or
something
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2393[16:13:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, alllso: sudo: not found
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2395[16:14:26] <Iridos> tdn, /usr/bin/apt-get ?
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2397[16:14:58] <bguser> hello i have a debian guest within
virtualbox and like to use the 'bridged adapter' which
shows up under br-306fdfe07fa8 and like to use it so application on
mentioned guest views transparently at the network
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2401[16:15:20] <tdn> Iridos, not there. This is the installer.
Not an actual working system.
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2404[16:16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah busybox eh. hmm, did you run
e2fsck on the disk
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2407[16:17:36] <tdn> BluesKaj, I did not. On the USB you mean?
Grub is installed to MBR, right? And e2fsck works on the actual
filesystem. Not MBR.
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2408[16:17:42] <tdn> BluesKaj, do you mean badblocks maybe?
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2410[16:17:57] <Iridos> tdn, uh… boot into your real
system using a rescue disk or something? Then look what grub says
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2411[16:18:06] <Iridos> how did that apt-get thing even turn up
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2412[16:18:22] <tdn> Iridos, there is no "real system".
I am installing debian.
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2413[16:18:29] <Iridos> also… how can a disk not be
bootable at all… that seems weird
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2415[16:18:49] <Iridos> tdn, I looked at the backlog by now and
you said you installed it, but could not get it to boot from an
external usb
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2416[16:19:06] <tdn> Iridos, the disk is bootable. The port on
the controller is not, however. I guess that is just how the BIOS
was made on this particular machine
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2419[16:19:29] <tdn> Iridos, I tried to install it, but it failed
to install grub to MBR
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2421[16:19:43] <BluesKaj> tdn, you can install grub on any disk
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2422[16:20:08] <tdn> BluesKaj, yes, that iis why I am surprised
it failed to instal on the USB
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2426[16:20:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, I tried reinstalling and then
installed grub on the SSD. Works fine to install grub, however, now
I have grub on a device that is not bootable == not working
situation :/
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2427[16:20:45] <tdn> Will try with a different USB disk. Maybe it
is broken somehow.
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2429[16:21:08] <BluesKaj> tdn, is this a UEFI machine?
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2430[16:21:11] <Iridos> but that's just the boot
loader… and that should happen after everything else is
installed
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2431[16:21:40] <tdn> Iridos, everything else DID install fine
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2433[16:21:50] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a HPE MicroServer Gen8
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2434[16:21:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, I do not think it is UEFI
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2436[16:22:13] <Iridos> yes… so boot into it using any
rescue disk or whatever you think of
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2444[16:23:02] <BluesKaj> tdn, how old is it ? if pre 2010 then
it's mostlikely BIOS
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2446[16:23:17] <Papillon> it looks like it's bios
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2447[16:23:17] <tdn> BluesKaj, I boughthe server last week
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2450[16:23:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, however, it is not the newest
model. I think it is from 2015 or something like that
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2451[16:23:37] <tdn> The model
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2454[16:23:48] <bob101> looking for help with XSS any good
channels of use?
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2455[16:24:24] <Papillon> e3 1200v2?
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2465[16:26:50] <BluesKaj> tdn, if it's regular pc with added
drives then it's still a UEFI machine from 2015
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2468[16:27:24] <dTal> holy god I hate pulseaudio
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2469[16:27:33] <tdn> BluesKaj, not a reegular PC. A server.
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2471[16:27:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is the HP small server
series. Kinda like the Proliant but smaller case, etc.
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2472[16:27:58] <Papillon> I like the idea of a software mixer or
whatever, I hate pulseaudio
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2474[16:28:18] <Papillon> they're nice but too expensive for
what they are imo
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2475[16:28:29] <galex-713_> software mixer?
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2476[16:28:34] <Papillon> I'm making a two drive nas just
out of an old core 2 dell slim
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2478[16:28:44] <galex-713_> what the problem with pulseaudio?
beside its cpu load
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2479[16:28:49] <galex-713_> *usage
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2480[16:28:51] <dTal> god forbid a body should want audio to be
routed to a bluetooth speaker when it's turned on, and back to
internal speakers when switched off
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2481[16:29:10] <dTal> the problem is it's hilariously
overcomplicated, fragile, and unreliable
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2483[16:29:19] <dTal> everything "kinda-sorta" works
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2485[16:29:43] <BluesKaj> dTal, if you have intel
audio/snd-hda-intel then you can use alsa directly and purge
pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils
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2487[16:30:37] <dTal> and how is live switching between
HDMI/bluetooth handled? last I checked that required a ton of
hardcoding in /etc/asoundrc
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2494[16:31:53] <BluesKaj> dTal, which debian ? don't think
/etc/asoundrc exists anymore
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2496[16:32:29] <dTal> Jessie, and I imagine that it's not
needed by default with pulseaudio
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2504[16:33:48] <BluesKaj> dTal, dunno about blurtooth audio
devices, but hdmi doesn't need pulse , I know that for sure
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2506[16:33:51] <dTal> the whole point of pulseaudio on this
machine was so that my parents could buy a bluetooth speaker and use
it without command line fiddling, or plug the laptop into the TV, or
anything else you might want to do
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2508[16:34:20] <dTal> and they just bought a bluetooth speaker,
and now I'm spending my afternoon making the damn thing work,
so fail
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2511[16:35:12] <dTal> and now, after manually adding a module to
one of several pulse configuration files, success! it switches to
the bluetooth speaker when I turn it on
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2513[16:35:38] <BluesKaj> dt does it show up in lsusb
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2514[16:35:40] <dTal> unhappily it fails to switch back to the
internal speaker when I turn it back off
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2515[16:35:50] <BluesKaj> dTal, ^
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2516[16:36:10] <dTal> why would it show up in lsusb, it's
bluetooth
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2517[16:36:37] <bolt> the joys of attempting to push linux on
unsuspecting relatives :)
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2519[16:36:41] <dTal> I'm not really asking for help, just
ranting
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2520[16:36:47] <BluesKaj> the usb bluetooth transmitter ?
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2524[16:37:31] <dTal> the bluetooth adapter works fine, it's
the bluetooth-pulseaudio interface that sucks (and pulse in general)
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2525[16:38:06] <BluesKaj> dTal, nevermind .
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2527[16:39:39] <dTal> bolt: I'd rather do this sort of thing
every so often than the 4-6 month periodic backup-and-wipe required
with Windows machines
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2529[16:41:10] <bolt> dTal: if i had to wipe my windows machines
every 4-6 months, i'd sit down and learn how to use it
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2531[16:42:04] <dTal> that's the point, they're not my
machines
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sucks even more
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2536[16:42:52] <dTal> I have, thank you
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2537[16:43:04] <teraflops> yw
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2538[16:43:16] <dTal> and it's far superior in every respect
except dynamicism
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2540[16:43:28] <teraflops> !ok
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2543[16:43:49] <dTal> which is admittedly an important feature,
hence I suffer with pulse
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2544[16:44:18] <teraflops> phrik c'mon
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2545[16:44:24] <bolt> when they're not your machines,
there's even more of an incentive to give the end user
something they can handle
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2546[16:44:36] <bolt> so they don't have to come running to
you just because they want a pdf reader all of a sudden
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2548[16:44:50] <bolt> or they need vpn to their workplace or
whatever
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user
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2551[16:45:06] <teraflops> oh lol I thought I was on another
channel
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2553[16:45:40] <dTal> linux has a distinct advantage of its
primary interface being text, which makes it a hell of a lot easier
to support over the phone
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2554[16:45:41] <teraflops> dTal: not regarding what I said to you
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2612[17:10:13] <Iridos> hm, is there a library for LD_PRELOAD
hacks? I see *some* stuff in debian, but… rather arbitrary
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2620[17:16:00] <Habitual> Skype users sometimes use that for
Hardware-smth as a c-line parameter.
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2643[17:25:33] <Habitual> OK. What does "debianized source
code" mean exactly? Summary would be great. Thanks for your
time.
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2646[17:28:31] <Habitual> Chapter 6 in the handbook sorta answers
it, I guess?
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2648[17:30:08] <Habitual> 5.
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2656[17:32:55] <petn-randall> Habitual: It's upstream source
code + a folder debian/ which contains bits to make
dpkg-buildpackage work, which in turn builds the actual debian
package in the end.
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2659[17:33:21] <Habitual> for buidd type processing?
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2661[17:33:26] <Habitual> buldd
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2663[17:33:39] <Habitual> buildd (I kan sphell)
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2668[17:34:00] <Habitual> thanks petn-randall
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2688[17:40:02] <petn-randall> Habitual: Or building yourself.
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2714[17:48:52] <chomwitt> !available
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2715[17:48:52] <dpkg> If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or
generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc),
"apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available &&
dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively,
you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
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2718[17:49:50] <chomwitt> what packages are called
'available' ? i mean dpkg has to do only with installed
packages rigth?
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2725[17:52:12] <DuckZ> can some brave folk help me build libdwarf
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2726[17:52:28] <DuckZ> ops wrong channel
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2727[17:52:37] <DuckZ> still, if anybody's got a clue
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2783[18:16:09] <sine0> does scp support resume ?
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2784[18:17:14] <jelly> not really, use rsync if you need it
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2789[18:18:48] <sine0> does rsync use checking and resending
packets etc?
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2790[18:19:03] <sine0> country internet with a 400mb upload
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2791[18:19:35] <sine0> rsync sounds like scp's big brother i
should just use rsync and forget scp
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2793[18:20:05] <petn-randall> sine0: That resending packets is
something your TCP stack takes care of, rsync doesn't need to
know anything about that.
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2794[18:20:07] <Papillon> afaik rsync mirrors directories and
stuff
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2798[18:21:35] <sine0> with poor internet i have gotten to really
appreciate grabbing things that have a torrent mirror, ditros etc.
with rsync will it be similar
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2801[18:22:11] <sine0> petn-randall: I guess if it fails I can
resume it with rsync
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2802[18:22:26] <sine0> md5 if after. just would be a bitch if
there was corruption
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2803[18:22:42] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync supports that, yes.
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2805[18:24:41] <jelly> Papillon: if you tell it to.
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2806[18:24:50] <loredannn> re all
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2811[18:25:55] <jelly> sine0: if you have a partial file on
destination, rsync will checksum the piece that is present and
continue transferring just the rest
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2813[18:26:31] <jelly> sine0: it will use a temporary new copy by
default so you need enough free space
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2814[18:27:18] <sine0> jelly: so it will redownload the allready
present data ?
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2817[18:27:51] <jelly> sine0: that's precisely what it
WON'T do
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2821[18:28:23] <sine0> ok thanks. rsync sounds great, is it a
more bells and whistle version of scp
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2831[18:29:38] <jelly> scp is a crappy, buggy version of cp with
some ssh support.
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2834[18:30:13] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync will always trade
bandwidth for extra computation where it can. So if there's a
(shorter) version of a file at the destination, it'll checksum
chunks of it and compare it with the equivalent part on the other
side.
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2835[18:30:25] <jelly> sine0: sftp is better, rsync is much more
versatile but you need to have it installed on both ends.
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2840[18:32:13] <bubbely> hi. im trying to install debian and i
skipped the part where it told me i need an external wifi driver...
so i forgot what driver i need, its an asus x205t and im trying to
find the right driver and how to install it . help ?
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2843[18:32:51] <bubbely> hm i found it
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2844[18:32:57] <abff> nice
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2845[18:33:02] <petn-randall> bubbely: Glad we could help ;)
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2846[18:33:09] <bubbely> =]
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2848[18:33:28] <bubbely> so, do i need to add another usb stick
and copy the driver from a shell ?
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2850[18:34:26] <jelly> probably not the driver but just the
firmware?
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2851[18:34:43] <bubbely> the .bin ?
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2853[18:34:54] <jelly> if the system has wired internet, use that
during installation
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2855[18:35:27] <bubbely> doesnt
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2859[18:36:20] <abff> bubbely: I just installed to the wireless
device, then used a usb like you said, you could use the same usb
since you're already done installation, just override the live
ISO and format it to a new partition
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2860[18:36:41] <bubbely> how to i transfer the .bin
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2863[18:37:11] <jelly> bubbely: do you remember which
driver/firmware precisely it is?
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2864[18:37:19] <bubbely> yea fw_bcm43341.bin
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2865[18:37:26] <bubbely> i put it on my usb stick and plugged it
in
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2866[18:37:42] <bubbely> do i also need the .mk file ?
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2867[18:37:48] <jelly> probably not
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2868[18:37:50] <bubbely> k
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2872[18:38:09] <jelly> I don't remember how that part of
installer works
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2873[18:38:35] <bubbely> abff: can u tell me how to trasnfer the
.bin from the installer main meun
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2874[18:38:56] <abff> I can't be sure exactly where it goes,
probably somewhere in /lib/firmware
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2875[18:39:34] <bubbely> oh
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2876[18:39:37] <bubbely> .../lib/firmware/brcm/
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2877[18:39:49] <bubbely> how do i access my usb drive from shell?
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2878[18:39:57] <abff> !mount
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2879[18:39:58] <dpkg> methinks mount is a command used to mount a
device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also
<reference>, <fstab>.
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2882[18:40:39] <bubbely> how do i know which folder to mount
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2883[18:40:47] <bubbely> nm
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2884[18:41:23] <abff> :)
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2895[18:45:52] <bubbely> ok so i copied the .bin
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2896[18:46:05] <bubbely> now, how do i get the install to use the
driver?
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2899[18:46:15] <abff> you should probably just be able to reboot
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2900[18:46:25] <Quatroking> Hi, I just did a fresh install of
debian and I'm getting the error "Unable to correct
problems, you have held broken packages" when I try to install
mysql-server-5.5
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2902[18:46:56] <bubbely> i need a network connection to finish
the install
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2903[18:46:58] <Quatroking> all I've changed so far is
installing sudo and adding my user to the sudoers list
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2904[18:47:01] <bubbely> ...i tink
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2916[18:49:44] <bubbely> are speakers devices such as
/dev/speaker1
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2922[18:51:40] <abff> why do you ask? it can get pretty
complicated with alsa and pulseaudio on top
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2925[18:54:19] <abff> !audio
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2926[18:54:20] <dpkg> Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa
checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
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2932[18:56:04] <bubbely> abff: im trying to do some bluetooth
speaker work
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2936[18:56:17] <Iridos> bubbely, primarily from alsa /dev/snd/*
… pulse goes on top (and they are often blocking, so only one
process can have them open)
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2937[18:56:20] <bubbely> abff: wondering if that's an easy
way to play audio out of a speaker
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2939[18:57:06] <abff> Quatroking trying doing a apt update
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2940[18:57:19] <Quatroking> I did, it didn't have effect
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2942[18:57:32] <Quatroking> I've also tried apt clean but
that's not doing anything either
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2943[18:57:37] <Quatroking> same with autoremove
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2944[18:57:49] <abff> what does
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2948[18:58:12] <die7> bubbely: bt speaker need addtiona setup a)
first pair it with system, 2) install addtional packages for pulse ,
3) restart pulseaudio and chose speaker as default output
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2949[18:58:22] <abff> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
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2950[18:58:22] * dpkg selects abff's pr0n collection
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2951[18:58:27] <Quatroking> abff, nothing that I could find on
the internet, really
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2952[18:58:35] <Quatroking> lemme try that
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2953[18:58:52] <Quatroking> that didn't return anything
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2955[18:59:06] <die7> bubbely:
replaced-url
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2957[18:59:53] <bubbely> die7: more than one speaker at a time
possible ? ( i can do it on windows, look:
replaced-url
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2961[19:00:47] <die7> bubbely: not sure with more as one bt
speaker but you can try
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2962[19:01:40] <abff> Quatroking okay then I think there maybe a
package that is conflicting with mysql?
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2964[19:02:05] <bubbely> gotta take this a step back first (dont
even have debian installed yet) cp
/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/nvram-74b00bd9-805a-4d61-b51f-43268123d113
/lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.txt <- returns the msg
cannot create regular file
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2965[19:02:12] <bubbely> this seems to be the last step to
installing my wifi .bin
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2966[19:02:17] <Iridos> Quatroking, when do you get that error?
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2967[19:02:24] <linuxthefish> if i want to upgrade from wheezy to
unstable, should i upgrade to jessie first or go straight to
unstable?
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2968[19:02:40] <abff> One thing I read suggested that you use
`sudo aptitude -f install mysql-server5.5` and see what it says,
since aptitude can be a lot more verbose
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2970[19:03:13] <Iridos> linuxthefish, you cannot skip stable
releases
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2972[19:03:45] <linuxthefish> cannot skip ?
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2975[19:04:38] <Iridos> you have to go
wheezy->jessie->stretch (or, as may be unstable in this case)
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2976[19:05:02] <linuxthefish> ah ok, thanks a lot Iridos !
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2977[19:05:45] <Iridos> at some point it's much easier to
clone the package list and reinstall… also if you upgrade,
read release notes for jessie …
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2980[19:05:49] <Iridos> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
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2981[19:05:49] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
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2983[19:06:45] <Quatroking> just a moment, abff, Iridos,
phonecall
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2993[19:09:01] <bubbely>
replaced-url
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2996[19:09:18] <Quatroking> abff, Iridos: I get the error when
trying to install the package,
replaced-url
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3000[19:10:49] <Quatroking> it's not just mysql-server
apparently because php5 is giving the exact same error
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3003[19:11:35] <JPT> Quatroking: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5
:)
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3006[19:12:12] <JPT> Quatroking: Not sure if that's all,
i'm confused by that broken packages part :|
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3007[19:12:27] <Quatroking> Same error but with more dependencies
listed
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3008[19:12:49] <abff> Yeah it kind of seems like the virtual
package mysql-server gets confused because mysql-server5.5
isn't there
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3009[19:13:00] <Quatroking>
replaced-url
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3010[19:13:20] <Iridos> judd, versions mysql-server
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3011[19:13:21] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.54-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.7.17-1
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3012[19:14:08] <bubbely> can someone help me get wifi working on
debian
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3018[19:14:49] <Quatroking> you know what, I'm going to turn
it off and on again, see if that does some magic
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3019[19:14:52] <Iridos> Quatroking, can you pastebin the output
of tail -n99 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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3020[19:15:03] <Quatroking> sure, just a moment
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3024[19:15:54] <bubbely> modprobe is not a command found ?
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3025[19:16:16] <greycat> If you're not root, it may not be
in your PATH.
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3027[19:16:23] <chomwitt> so /var/lib/dpkg/available is not build
from dpkg ? is that right?
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3028[19:16:27] <abff> bubbely that's a protected bin, you
gotta be root
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3030[19:16:31] <Quatroking> Iridos,
replaced-url
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3033[19:17:57] <Iridos> Quatroking, you're missing the main
repository for debian that has most of the software… probably
comes from having the CD image as a source for that, then commenting
it
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3036[19:18:16] <Quatroking> Right
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3037[19:18:27] <Iridos> Quatroking, add "deb
replaced-url
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3040[19:19:02] <Quatroking> ooooooh i see now
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3043[19:19:43] <Quatroking> boom, that did it
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3044[19:19:44] <Quatroking> thanks
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3046[19:21:35] <Iridos> (you can also add the same line with
deb-src … which is only relevant at all if you (re-)build
packages from source)
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3049[19:22:01] <Quatroking> I don't plan on doing that, this
is just a simple VM I want to run on my server
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3051[19:22:24] <Iridos> it's just more consistent with your
other entries
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3052[19:22:29] <Quatroking> figured it'd be a good
development setup for a website that I plan to roll out later
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3053[19:22:33] <abff> bubbely whats your wifi device?
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3054[19:22:55] <bubbely> brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.bni
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3055[19:23:09] <bubbely> iwlist scan = command not found
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3056[19:23:12] <abff> I mean the card
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3057[19:23:40] <Iridos> bubbely, I think you just copied over the
firmware… (didn't follow closely, but I wonder why you
didn't install the firmware package) … anyway… if
you also rebooted, check in dmesg if it was loaded
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3061[19:24:37] <bubbely> Iridos: is it possible to install a .deb
from shell?
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3062[19:24:46] <greycat> Of course. dpkg -i foobar.deb
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3063[19:25:01] <bubbely> great
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3064[19:26:04] <bubbely> k i installed the firmware
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3065[19:26:19] <bubbely> iwlist is still command not found
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3066[19:26:31] <greycat> judd file bin/iwlist
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3067[19:26:34] <judd> Search for bin/iwlist in jessie/amd64:
wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist
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3068[19:26:46] <greycat> Make sure the wireless-tools package is
installed.
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3089[19:31:23] <HD|Laptop> Hello all
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3091[19:31:34] <darsie> How do I mount a USB drive as normal
user?
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3092[19:31:39] <HD|Laptop> I am trying to set up a Debian machine
as VLAN router, together with a wifi AP
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3094[19:32:03] <HD|Laptop> got that VLAN stuff figured out as
well as dnsmasq dhcp... except one thing
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3096[19:32:25] <HD|Laptop> For some reason I cannot specify
different dhcp-option lines per interface
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3097[19:32:31] <psychoticwarrior> sudo mount <mount point>
/mnt
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3098[19:32:40] <psychoticwarrior> pico /etc/sudoers
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3099[19:32:49] <darsie> psychicist__: by normal I meant not root.
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3101[19:33:05] <darsie> psychoticwarrior:
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3102[19:33:08] <HD|Laptop> But
interface=eth1.16;dhcp-range=xxxxx;interface=eth1.17;dhcp-range=yyyyy;
works
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3103[19:33:13] <HD|Laptop> WHat am I doing wrong?
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3104[19:33:54] <darsie> So I can copy files to it without being
root.
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3105[19:34:07] <greycat> darsie: what kind of file system is on
the device? FAT-32?
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3106[19:34:13] <darsie> greycat: yes
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3107[19:34:22] <psychoticwarrior> yea or ntfs or ext3
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3108[19:34:24] <greycat> As root, mount -o uid=darsie
/dev/whatever /wherever
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3109[19:34:32] <darsie> thx
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3110[19:34:34] <psychoticwarrior> fdis -l
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3111[19:34:49] <psychoticwarrior> mount -rw -o remount /
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3113[19:35:03] <psychoticwarrior> that works too to read write
for the whole filesystem
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3115[19:35:12] <greycat> FAT file systems don't have native
ownership/permissions, so the kernel presents a fake owner when
mounting one of those. -o uid=___ lets you control who that fake
owner is.
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3118[19:35:30] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3121[19:37:47] <bubbely> is there a way to install a bunch of
packages together? ie im trying to install cinammon without having
to sperately install python etc
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3122[19:38:04] <greycat> That's what apt-get is for.
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3126[19:38:21] <greycat> E.g. "apt-get install xorg"
pulls in the X server, dozens of driver modules, libraries, etc.
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3127[19:38:24] <Iridos> you just do " apt-get install
cinnamon " or whatever… apt fetches all dependencies and
installs them for you
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3133[19:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> bubbely: Sometimes there's a
"meta package" like cinnamon-desktop that will also
install packages that are nice to have with the target but not
dependent.
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3143[19:44:17] <Orbstheorem> Hello, does anybody know about a
webdav client for the terminal?
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3152[19:47:20] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, webdav client? I use davfs
file system which lets me mount webdav entities as normal.
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3155[19:50:42] <eternal-pain> hey all. i have a question
regarding stretch
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3160[19:51:55] <eternal-pain> as of today, virtualbox and
virtualbox-guest-additions are note available in stretch main,
contrib or non-free. in jessie it is at least included in contrib.
will it be included as stretch will be released as the next stable?
i found nothing about it on the wiki.
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3163[19:52:31] <missmbob> eternal-pain:
replaced-url
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3168[19:53:10] <eternal-pain> ok. is it adviseable to add the
oracle repository as it is not maintained by the debian or
debian-security team?
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3169[19:53:14] <eternal-pain> i mean on critical systems
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3171[19:53:25] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
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3172[19:53:26] <psychoticwarrior> *
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3173[19:53:30] <missmbob> eternal-pain: yes
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3174[19:53:31] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
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3176[19:53:46] <psychoticwarrior> how much pain do u feel
*eternal-pain
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3177[19:53:53] <eternal-pain> alright, thank you missmbob
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3182[19:54:34] <eternal-pain> psychoticwarrior, some in the head,
some on the abs... ^^
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3183[19:54:55] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3185[19:55:36] <eternal-pain> i used to do muay thai, but now
i'm only doing free sparring now and then, my main sport has
become powerlifting
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3186[19:55:44] <eternal-pain> so, less pain since january
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3187[19:55:51] <psychoticwarrior> nice
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3193[19:56:23] <eternal-pain> after ober 2 years of doing both, i
found out it doesn't complement each other much
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3194[19:56:26] <eternal-pain> *over
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3195[19:56:42] <psychoticwarrior> yea sounds good
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3196[19:56:49] <psychoticwarrior> i used to be in tae kwon do
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3198[19:56:56] <psychoticwarrior> deputy black belt
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3199[19:57:11] <missmbob> !chat
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3200[19:57:11] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or
##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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3201[19:57:16] <eternal-pain> also a nice sport, i had a test
training once
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3203[19:57:35] <eternal-pain> i looked into various combat sports
before deciding to stick with muay thai
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3204[19:57:48] <psychoticwarrior> nice
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3205[19:57:49] <psychoticwarrior> thats good
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3208[19:57:55] <psychoticwarrior> im trying to get into krav maga
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3209[19:57:57] <missmbob> !ot
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3210[19:57:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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3211[19:58:00] <missmbob> please stay on topic
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3213[19:58:05] <missmbob> go to #debian-offtopic
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3214[19:58:19] <BluesKaj> heh, i used to ski, not exactly a
combat sport but now my knees are suffering big time
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3215[19:58:36] <Orbstheorem> JohnA: I'm using radicale with
postgresql
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3218[19:58:57] <Orbstheorem> I could connect to the db, but not
specially handy
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3219[19:59:17] <Orbstheorem> I'd like something like a
calendar that can connect to webdav
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3227[20:01:57] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, is only a calendar(caldav) +
contacts(carddav) server which is run on the server to provide those
services. WebDAV is a file access system used to provide cloud like
file service. the two are not the same thig.
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3231[20:02:19] <Orbstheorem> oh
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3233[20:02:21] <Orbstheorem> my bad
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3234[20:02:25] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, : is -> radical is
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3237[20:02:32] <Orbstheorem> yeah
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3238[20:03:04] <SamSagaZ> hey guys, i want to install just one
beta version of a package, someone know how can i do that? i want to
install roundcube 1.2.2 and have installed 1.5.5
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3240[20:03:14] <greycat> ,v roundcube
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3241[20:03:15] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u6; jessie-backports:
1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3
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3242[20:03:27] <greycat> how what
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3246[20:03:50] <SamSagaZ> want to install 1.2.3 then :)
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3247[20:03:56] <greycat> Run Debian.
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3250[20:04:15] <SamSagaZ> can i just allow sid on ONLY this
package?
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3251[20:04:20] <Iridos> judd, checkbackport roundcube
--fromrelease sid
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3252[20:04:21] <judd> Backporting package roundcube in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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3253[20:04:22] <greycat> Was 1.5.5 a typo or something?
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3254[20:04:27] <SamSagaZ> or need to change to sid my release?
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3255[20:04:29] <SamSagaZ> ah, ok
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3258[20:04:36] <missmbob> !tell SamSagaZ -about ssb
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3259[20:04:37] <jelly> it's a php app, don't expect
debian to be able to keep up with its monthly security holes
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3260[20:04:42] <greycat> Why are you going DOWN from 1.5.5 to
1.2.3?
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3262[20:05:07] <jelly> 1.5.5 does not exist, it has to have been
a typo
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3264[20:05:18] <JohnA> If you want all three in one package take
alook at some thin like owncloud.
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3268[20:06:02] <SamSagaZ> oh sorry, i have installed Version:
1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4
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3269[20:06:07] <Orbstheorem> not a fan of php :(
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3270[20:06:11] <SamSagaZ> and want to install 1.2.3
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3272[20:06:21] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: use the ssb method the bot
/msg'd you about
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3273[20:06:22] <greycat> Backport it.
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3274[20:06:23] <Orbstheorem> I don't need webdav, just
caldav and carddav :)
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3278[20:06:52] <Orbstheorem> but I'd like to connect via cli
to caldav :)
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3280[20:07:09] <SamSagaZ> thanks
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3288[20:08:42] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, then use radical/davical/...
on your server If I remember correctly they are both written in PHP.
The are some others out there use google.
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3291[20:09:15] <jelly> SamSagaZ: (also, do NOT enable sid or
stretch deb (binary) repos, that's an easy, sure way to wreck
your OS installation.)
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3292[20:09:21] <Orbstheorem> radicale is written in python :)
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3297[20:11:01] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, Sorry, I thought it was PHP.
I use davical and have for some time it works well and is fairly
well documented and reasonably easy to install.
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3323[20:23:59] <Orbstheorem> nvm :)
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3324[20:24:13] <Orbstheorem> btw, does anybody know why aptitude
can become slow?
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3325[20:24:59] <Orbstheorem> aptitude install paquet-lamda takes
about about 8 minutes to complete while apt-get install paquet-lamda
takes 1 minute
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3326[20:25:03] <nkuttler> because it uses lots of resources
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3329[20:25:19] <Orbstheorem> well, there's ram and cpu power
available
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3331[20:25:43] <nkuttler> not enough, apparently?
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3332[20:25:44] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how much ram is there?
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3334[20:25:57] <Orbstheorem> 1G
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3337[20:26:08] <Orbstheorem> well, 900M free
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3338[20:26:10] <jelly> Orbstheorem: which debian release is this?
Do you have X running at the same time?
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3339[20:26:22] <Orbstheorem> sid
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3341[20:26:39] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how did you install it
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3342[20:26:52] <Orbstheorem> I have postgresql running at the
same time, but it's not being used
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3343[20:27:07] <Orbstheorem> debootstrap [...] sid
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3344[20:27:08] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname
-a" say
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3348[20:28:41] <jelly> Orbstheorem: if it's a container or
VM the performance may vary wildly depending on what else is running
on the host
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3350[20:29:04] <jelly> ,v paquet-lamda
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3351[20:29:05] <judd> No package named 'paquet-lamda'
was found in amd64.
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3352[20:29:20] <jelly> Orbstheorem: where does that package come
from? paquet-lamda
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3355[20:30:00] <Orbstheorem> ah, python-psycopg2
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3359[20:30:14] <Orbstheorem> from the debian repository
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3360[20:30:19] <Orbstheorem> jelly: ^^
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3361[20:30:48] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname
-a" say? Are you running this on a physical system, or inside a
container or a VM?
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