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6 [00:02:33] <Brigo> bubbely, try to write to /dev/dsp
7 [00:02:47] <bubbely> Brigo: in what format ?
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10 [00:03:14] <Brigo> bubbely, not sure try .wav
11 [00:03:21] <bubbely> hm ok
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13 [00:03:48] <Brigo> bubbely, if you just write a file you
should get some noise at least.
14 [00:03:53] <Brigo> iirc
15 [00:03:55] <bubbely> yes
16 [00:03:57] <bubbely> that makes sense
17 [00:04:03] <bubbely> im trying for some noise brb
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28 [00:07:52] <Voldenet> bubbely: hm, if it's bluetooth
then it might use a2dp or something, but i've never programmed
on it
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30 [00:08:04] <Voldenet> but a2dp probably needs to do its
handshake first
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32 [00:08:16] <bubbely> voldenet: can u show me a bit about
a2dp?
33 [00:09:06] <Voldenet> but maybe a2dp is done on device level,
so I'm not sure
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35 [00:09:20] <bubbely> i think a2dp is a format used to
socket.write()
36 [00:09:43] <Voldenet> some random a2dp googled code
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38 [00:10:29] <Voldenet> but then again, no idea
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45 [00:14:56] <Brigo> !tell bubbely about private
46 [00:15:13] <bubbely> sorry
47 [00:15:20] <bubbely> Brigo hey im not on a linux pc right
now.. can u try writing a wav to that and tell me if it works /
makes sound ?
48 [00:15:37] <Brigo> bubbely, no, i can't sorry
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133 [01:16:41] <neilthereildeil> hi
134 [01:16:48] <neilthereildeil> im trying to install npm in
debian
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137 [01:17:05] <neilthereildeil> i installed nodejs package, but
dont see npm
138 [01:17:11] <neilthereildeil> how can i install npm?
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140 [01:17:13] <sypher> ,v npm
141 [01:17:14] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch:
1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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145 [01:17:36] <randy1985> I can't adjust my display
resolution beyond simple 4:3 aspect ratios. I'm updated, but I
don't know if it may be an issue with missing packages or
something else. How can I fix this?
146 [01:17:37] <neilthereildeil> sypher: what does that mean?
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148 [01:17:48] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Install the npm package.
149 [01:18:03] <neilthereildeil> apt-get install npm
150 [01:18:07] <neilthereildeil> E: Unable to locate package npm
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155 [01:18:30] <sypher> neilthereildeil: What debian version are
you running?
156 [01:18:51] <neilthereildeil> 7.11
157 [01:19:03] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Then upgrade to jessie.
158 [01:19:16] <neilthereildeil> i want one package. i ont
wannaupgrade my whole OS
159 [01:19:21] <neilthereildeil> dont*
160 [01:19:29] <sypher> Well, there isn't an official debian
package for your OS, nor is there a backport.
161 [01:19:37] <neilthereildeil> ahh
162 [01:19:40] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks
163 [01:19:54] <sypher> neilthereildeil: Sorry, I could have been
a bit more clear and less grouchy about that.
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167 [01:20:39] <neilthereildeil> np thanks for the help
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178 [01:30:37] <Voldenet> neilthereildeil: what node version are
you using? Doesn't your nodejs package include npm?
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180 [01:31:50] <sypher> Voldenet: In Debian, they're
packaged separately.
181 [01:31:55] <sypher> ,v nodejs
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183 [01:31:56] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 4.7.2~dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.2~dfsg-2+b1;
sid: 4.8.1~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.9.2~dfsg-2
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185 [01:32:49] <Voldenet> sypher: eh, really? I've got
`dpkg-query -L nodejs | grep npm | wc -l` > 2769 on jessie
186 [01:32:55] <sypher> Voldenet: On jessie.
187 [01:32:58] <Voldenet> Oh.
188 [01:33:00] <sypher> Voldenet: He's not on jessie.
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190 [01:33:29] <Voldenet> Ah, stretch
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244 [02:09:21] <blackflow> Just installed Stretch on my desktop
machine. I see there's "chromium-widevine" package,
but installing that seems insufficient to watch Netflix. What am I
missing?
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250 [02:11:22] <wallbroken> is possible to select the init system
during the installation?
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281 [02:31:58] <abff> You mean like switch to sysv?
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286 [02:33:48] <missmbob> blackflow:
replaced-url
287 [02:33:49] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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289 [02:35:18] <missmbob> wallbroken:
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291 [02:37:00] <blackflow> missmbob: I see, thanks!
292 [02:37:23] <missmbob> blackflow: i'm not sure if this
works. may be worth trying if you really need it.
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298 [02:40:00] <blackflow> missmbob: it's okay, I've
installed Chrome too, I only need that for Netflix
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301 [02:40:53] <bazhang> blackflow, firefox supports netflix
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303 [02:42:38] <randy1985> what codec(s) does netflix use?
304 [02:43:12] <missmbob> google's vp8 and moving to vp9
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307 [02:46:55] <randy1985> and firefox supports that natively?
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309 [02:47:07] <missmbob> it does now. so does vivaldi
310 [02:47:48] <missmbob> and it's not "natively".
all use widevine
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315 [02:50:09] <eck> what is widevine
316 [02:50:56] <missmbob> browser drm magic for viewing netflix
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322 [02:56:46] <blackflow> bazhang: but not the ESR version
currently in Stretch
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325 [02:57:50] <hays_> is there a place i can/should put
"sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200" so that it is created
on boot?
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333 [03:06:01] <missmbob> hays: just throw it in /etc/rc.local
and chmod +x it
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342 [03:11:29] <hays> blackflow: something like this? "mkdir
-p /dev/net && mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 && chmod
0666 /dev/net/tun"
343 [03:11:39] <hays> erm missmbob ^
344 [03:11:55] <hays> sorry about that
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346 [03:12:13] <missmbob> sure. i have no idea what you're
doing but whatever. if it's in that file it'll run as root
on boot
347 [03:12:25] <missmbob> you have to chmod +x it to enable it
the first time
348 [03:12:34] <hays> missmbob: its needed for the tun module
349 [03:12:38] <ee> Hello. I have heard that there is some
security flaws regarding intel CPUs and that one should rather use
AMD. Does it matter what AMD cpu one should have or can I take
whatever? Anywhere I can read about this issue?
350 [03:13:29] <hays> missmbob:
replaced-url
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481 [04:01:01] <Atm0spher1c> hi, how does the wipe before disk
encryption work during debian install/setup of lvm encryption?
482 [04:01:56] <Atm0spher1c> curious because now that I think
about it, my ssd failed 2 months after probably because I used that.
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484 [04:02:48] <Toba> why would you assume that?
485 [04:02:52] <Atm0spher1c> iirc something like dban
shouldn't be used to wipe ssds
486 [04:02:54] <Toba> writing over it once is probably all it
does.
487 [04:03:17] <Toba> you're assuming what debian does is
like dban
488 [04:03:19] <Toba> and i'm assuming it's not
489 [04:03:23] <Atm0spher1c> no, but im wondering
490 [04:03:24] <Toba> neither of us knows :)
491 [04:03:28] <Toba> now I am too
492 [04:03:32] <Toba> but not enough to find out
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507 [04:16:02] <newcoder> Can I remove /var/cache/fontconfig/* ?
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514 [04:20:04] <CobaltSnax> I'm having an issue with an
external, encrypted hard drive not mounting.
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519 [04:20:57] <CobaltSnax> I can see it in GNOME Partition
Editor, but it will no longer mount.
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567 [04:50:57] <BlueProtoman> I have /boot and / on separate
partitions. /boot (which is ext3) is failing to mount and I
don't know why. Here's the log.
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591 [05:10:08] <Voldenet> BlueProtoman: maybe try mounting it
manually, without systemctl
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594 [05:10:23] <Voldenet> something like: mount
/dev/disk/by-uuid/89462155-4731-47d7-a1f1-f8aeec62d8a5 /boot
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596 [05:10:58] <BlueProtoman> Voldenet: In emergency mode? Then
what?
597 [05:11:12] <Voldenet> well, if it mounts, then you're
done
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599 [05:12:16] <Voldenet> if it doesn't, maybe you get more
info, error code 32 is "32 mount failure" in man
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602 [05:13:40] <Voldenet> you can also try mounting it with just
"mount /boot"
603 [05:13:47] <Voldenet> it'll just read the line from
fstab
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608 [05:14:19] <Voldenet> (also, dmesg might have some info)
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621 [05:23:19] <sorin-mihai> BlueProtoman, check the uuid again,
'lsblk' will give more info about the relative
position/order of the partitions, while 'blkid' will give
you more info, including the correct uuid
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627 [05:24:35] <LiuYan> `lsblk -o +uuid`, or `lsblk -O` will give
UUID too
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630 [05:24:57] <sorin-mihai> also, while in emergency mode, after
mount is done, press Ctrl+D and systemd should continue the booting
process
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648 [05:31:15] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I did that, but I
don't get any more console output
649 [05:32:09] <sorin-mihai> is the prompt back, or it's
stuck?
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651 [05:32:40] <BlueProtoman> sorin-mihai: I can mount it fine,
but when I do Ctrl-D the prompt appears to be stuck. However, if I
force-poweroff the machine I get a message to that effect (forgot
the exact text)
652 [05:33:10] <sorin-mihai> how did you mount it in the end?
653 [05:33:20] <BlueProtoman> mount /dev/sda1 /boot
654 [05:33:44] <BlueProtoman> However, it's still running
because I can still try to SSH to it (i.e. it responds)
655 [05:34:30] <BlueProtoman> ...wait, I'm in!!!!
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657 [05:34:42] <Voldenet> commence hacking
658 [05:34:44] <sorin-mihai> edit /etc/fstab, switch to /dev/sda1
instead of uuid
659 [05:35:05] <BlueProtoman> Does the order of /etc/fstab
entries matter?
660 [05:35:08] <sorin-mihai> at least until you can get the
correct uuid in there
661 [05:35:34] <sorin-mihai> of course. systemd uses it to mount
it
662 [05:35:43] <BlueProtoman> I have the right UUID, actually,
but mount /dev/sda1 is how I mounted it on the command line
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666 [05:36:28] <sorin-mihai> then, if the booting process is
done, you can umount it and remount using the uuid. does it mount?
if yes, then double-check the fstab entry
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674 [05:40:38] <BlueProtoman> So which should go first in fstab;
/, or /boot?
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677 [05:41:09] <tx> BlueProtoman: it doesn't matter
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680 [05:41:38] <sorin-mihai> wait, the order is not important.
sorry, i misread
681 [05:41:41] <tx> dependencies are determined after reading the
file
682 [05:41:56] <tx> it doesn't process the mounts by the
order you define (necessarily)
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740 [06:02:31] <bertbob> the man page for fstab says order is
important but that may be outdated
741 [06:03:18] <siyanmao1> Hello everyone，I configured kdump on
debian 8, kernel 3.16. when i trigger a crash by using sysrq,
capture kernel hangup at smpboot. Log here:
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742 [06:03:26] <siyanmao1> sorry for my
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744 [06:03:35] <siyanmao1> sorry for my english^
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746 [06:04:42] <aedinius> Now to sort out why my boot ssd keeps
falling back to sata 1.5
747 [06:05:32] <aedinius> *sigh* I hope the SSD isn't dyin
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749 [06:06:12] <aedinius> SATA link keeps dying, comes back up,
eventually goes from SATA-3 down to UDMA/33
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753 [06:09:33] <xyz___> hello, I'm having a problem with my
computer. Over 9000 pts for help :3. Redirect me if you know of a
channel that will know more about this. Here we go.
754 [06:10:14] <aedinius> Hm. SSD is 5 years old, I guess
it's getitng time to replace it
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756 [06:11:12] <xyz___> I have a windows 10 box. Installed on it
debian with a USB flash drive boot key. The drive is recognized when
I plug it in but it doesn't recognize that it is a keyfile and
returns me to the grub rescue screen
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764 [06:13:09] <xyz___> if tried to turn on/off + different usb
ports, nothing. The debian os is recognized as an option to boot
from but with out the keyfile it simply returns to the grub rescue
screen as well.
765 [06:13:19] <xyz___> *I
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770 [06:16:24] <Hoolootwo> I'm having a problem with the
netinstall image where it isn't seeing an internal hard drive
on a small laptop
771 [06:16:45] <Hoolootwo> the nixos installer sees /dev/mmcblk0
fine
772 [06:16:51] <Hoolootwo> so it's not a linux problem
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779 [06:22:33] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: what kernel is nixos using?
Could it be just not able to see it with the older 3.16 kernel with
stable? If so a kernel from jessie-backports can help, but may not
help see the drive.
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782 [06:24:03] <somiaj> I mean may not help see it during the
isntall.
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784 [06:24:35] <Hoolootwo> yeah, if I can't see it during
the install, it's not extremely helpful
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786 [06:25:47] <Hoolootwo> I'll try the testing image
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797 [06:39:21] <Hoolootwo> yeah, testing sees it
798 [06:39:52] <Hoolootwo> I was hoping to put my mom on stable,
but I guess this is probably okay too
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807 [06:47:32] <Hoolootwo> ok so um now I'd like to set up a
gpt partition table, is that default?
808 [06:47:42] <Hoolootwo> I am honestly confused by how this is
not an option
809 [06:48:07] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: stretch is frozen, biggiest
issue right now is no security support. If you really wanted to do
stable, you could do a manual install from a live image with a newer
kernel and install the jessie-backports kernel, it will see the the
drive
810 [06:48:19] <somiaj> Hoolootwo: did you boot in legacy or efi
mode? legacy will use mbr, efi will use gtp
811 [06:48:23] <somiaj> sorry gpt
812 [06:48:59] <Hoolootwo> oh, I'm not sure, I'm
guessing legacy
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814 [06:49:13] <Hoolootwo> I guess that makes sense
815 [06:49:33] <somiaj> efi requires gpt, and legacy with gpt
requires this extra mbr compadability partition/setup
816 [06:49:52] <somiaj> so I think unless you manually set it up
you get the method based off how you boot
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821 [06:51:55] <Hoolootwo> I just restarted the installation to
make sure I'm in EFI mode
822 [06:52:41] <Hoolootwo> what do you mean by 'no security
support'?
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824 [06:53:24] <somiaj> no tiemly, stretch is frozen, and will
get security and bug fixes, but these filter though sid first and
may take 10+ days to make it into stretch.
825 [06:53:39] <Hoolootwo> oh, I see
826 [06:53:40] <somiaj> there are security mirrors up, but these
will only get used for security issues deemed sever enough.
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828 [06:53:54] <somiaj> security support will offically start
once the release happens sometime this summer.
829 [06:54:03] <somiaj> last I checked there were about 230 rc
bugs to deal with
830 [06:54:29] <Hoolootwo> hmm :/
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832 [06:54:48] <somiaj> for desktop use it should be okay
833 [06:55:14] <Hoolootwo> yeah, it's going to be my
mom's netbook, it probably won't be too big of an issue
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843 [07:04:11] <Hoolootwo> somiaj++ thanks for all the help!
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878 [07:23:23] <jvava> I have a gedit, which dont display
anything about my just installed plugin of source-browser, which
site say I need enable it under edit-preference of it, but I can not
find where it is, my debian is jessie, could you please help me?
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893 [07:37:47] <somiaj> jvava: how did you install this plugin?
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897 [07:38:55] <jvava> somiaj, I executing apt-get install
898 [07:39:10] <somiaj> did you restart gedit after you installed
this plugin?
899 [07:39:18] <somiaj> what was the name of the package?
900 [07:39:34] <jvava> yes, I restart many times
901 [07:39:41] <jvava> this plugin,
gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
902 [07:40:32] <jvava> I remember that at the initial
installation, on the top bar there is a menu contains current
applications' menu, but now I can not found it
903 [07:40:44] <somiaj> jvava: what document type do you have
open with gedit?
904 [07:41:11] <somiaj> jvava: or do you have a document open,
also check to see if there is any info about special things you may
need to do after the install in
/usr/share/doc/gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
905 [07:41:57] <jvava> a golang source, but the same as any other
doc
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907 [07:42:33] <jvava> somiaj, I check everywhere I can found
908 [07:43:23] <jvava> now gedit has a few menu, without a named
edit menu
909 [07:43:51] <somiaj> I don't use gedit, is this on jessie
or stretch?
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911 [07:44:12] <somiaj> just going over some things to check, but
seems like you have already done that.
912 [07:44:14] <jvava> somiaj, on jessie
913 [07:44:34] <jvava> I miss the before menu on my top bar,
914 [07:44:37] <somiaj> are you using anything from
jessie-backports?
915 [07:44:55] <jvava> I can not remember that, seems nothing
916 [07:45:18] <somiaj> look at the output of apt-cache policy
gedit gedit-source-code-browser-plugin
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918 [07:45:25] <jvava> Activate the plugin in Gedit by choosing
'Edit > Preferences', the selecting the
'Plugins' tab, and checking the box next to 'Soucre
Code Browser'.
919 [07:45:30] <somiaj> make sure that they are both either from
jessie or jessie-backports.
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921 [07:45:52] <somiaj> and you can't find such an optoin
under Edit > Preferences?
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923 [07:46:05] <jvava> yes, I can not find Edit
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926 [07:47:03] <somiaj> the only other thing I can think of is
create a new user, log in with this new user and test. This means
you have some config inside of $HOME messing with things.
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928 [07:47:10] <somiaj> well if it works that way
929 [07:47:28] <jvava> good idea, I will do
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934 [07:49:10] <jvava> thank you, somiaj
935 [07:49:29] <somiaj> was that the issue?
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938 [07:49:36] <gottigo> Reality Check, Joe Rogan [
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944 [07:50:49] <somiaj> gottigo: this is not a proper place for
such posts, please stay on topic.
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946 [07:51:53] <jvava> somiaj, I have not try, wait a minute
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948 [07:52:56] <somiaj> jvava: ahh I thought you were sucessful,
well hopefully it is the case, if not I don't know what else to
look at. There may be more gnome specific channels that can help
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952 [07:55:17] <jvava> I use another box try, sorry, somiaj, the
same problem.
953 [07:55:20] <gottigo>
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956 [07:57:26] <BlueProtoman> test
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965 [08:06:58] <somiaj> jvava: got it to work, but that was
stretch, let me double check on a jessie vm
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971 [08:08:44] <jvava> somiaj
972 [08:08:52] <jvava> solved
973 [08:09:35] <jvava> the activities menu is masked by another
extension named taskbar, after I disable taskbar, I can find Edit
menu in the activities
974 [08:10:45] <tjsimmons> Boy I'm bad at bash scripts
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977 [08:11:58] <jvava> now it is ok, somiaj
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981 [08:13:54] <somiaj> tjsimmons: there is #bash
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983 [08:14:31] <tjsimmons> somiaj: oh I know. I was just making a
statement.
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993 [08:22:45] <dmark> hi
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995 [08:23:42] <xormor> dmark, hi
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997 [08:25:43] <dmark> i'm experiencing difficulties trying
to install debian stretch in virtualbox
998 [08:26:00] <dmark> actually installing works but it
won't start afterwards
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1025 [08:39:41] <darxmurf> hi all
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1057 [08:55:44] <newcoder> Why don't I see unicode characters
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1076 [09:02:36] <latemus> i switched to unstable. iis it possible
to switch back to stable, or must i re-install.
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1082 [09:06:48] <jolt> latemus: For your sanity I think an
re-install would be better
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1143 [09:31:38] <latemus> jolt: thanks bro. i corrected my broken
sources.list, things are looking better
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1159 [09:40:40] <Iridos> Which manpage or file has the full
documentation of all the apt options like
"APT::Get::Show-Upgraded"?
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1165 [09:44:10] <Iridos> or actually, taking one step back, I
think the concernc that the manpage of cron-apt voices are outdated
since packages are signed… so maybe it's time for me to
have automated upgrades within stable… but I'd like
toget mail *only* if anything new was installed and don't want
to see the list of packages that are kept back over and over again
1166 [09:45:24] <Iridos> I guess I could skip cron-apt and just
have a regular script do it and create a diff… but
that'd mean I get a mail when packages are upgraded… and
the day after when they're not
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1168 [09:45:57] <Iridos> except if I diff against a pre-prepared
file… which would mean to manually fiddle if list of
kept-back packages that I don't want to touch at that moment
changes
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1172 [09:47:45] <krpt> Hi, I have several versions of kernels
installed on my system and I'd wish to 'hold' onto a
specific one . How can I freeze it ? ( avoid initrd updates and so
on .. )
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1174 [09:48:10] <krpt> It's not the newer I wish to hold onto
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1178 [09:49:48] <krpt> downgrade and hold ?
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1224 [10:13:34] <ksk> Hey guys, if I add an interface called
"dummy0" does it automaticly get "NOARP" - and
does that mean it will not answer on arp requests?
1225 [10:13:47] <tx> names are names
1226 [10:13:51] <ksk> is there some hard-coded schema or why is
that?
1227 [10:13:51] <tx> beyond that they mean nothing
1228 [10:13:59] <ksk> okay, thanks.
1229 [10:14:10] <tx> you can call the interface fruitloops
1230 [10:14:15] <tx> and it will still be an interface
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1236 [10:16:35] <ksk> okay, just wondering why it is NOARP right
now, AFIAK I did not say that :>
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1339 [10:58:14] <Iridos> krpt…
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1343 [11:01:03] <jelly> ksk: what do you do to "add an
interface" anyway
1344 [11:01:10] <os_> hi all
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1346 [11:02:33] <os_> i wonder where is openswan in jessie
repositories
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1349 [11:05:14] <ksk> everything seems to be fine with that
interface, but I have the issue that ipvsadm is not showing any
connections for my LVS setup ;)
1350 [11:05:27] <ksk> I will debug that myself, thanks.
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1352 [11:06:13] <altyr> os_:
replaced-url
1353 [11:06:14] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1358 [11:07:14] <os_> altyr, thanks brother
1359 [11:07:29] <altyr> np. maybe try strongswan as suggested in
the bug report
1360 [11:07:48] <os_> ok
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1382 [11:18:06] <serpente> hi
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1384 [11:19:17] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on
jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file
drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1398 [11:25:21] <bitlan_> hello
1399 [11:25:41] <bitlan_> what is the best solution for download
file from server with multipleconnections?
1400 [11:25:53] <serpente> pray
1401 [11:26:05] <bitlan_> i ned download proxmox backup to my
desktop (with debian)
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1404 [11:27:34] <ksk> bitlan_: use either rsync or http. you dont
really need "multiplce connections" in like 9.5 of 10
cases.
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1408 [11:28:12] <ksk> Only if you have many many small files, and
really fast harddisks
1409 [11:28:20] <bitlan_> ksk: OVH probably set speed limit per
connection
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1411 [11:28:42] <blackflow> multiple connections make sense only
if server is limiting single connection to a speed that's
smaller than your inbound pipe
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1414 [11:28:56] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp has support for multiple
connections, not sure if using all protocols
1415 [11:29:19] <jelly> but sftp, at least in theory, ought to be
able to do that
1416 [11:29:21] <ayor> hello all. I wanted to get some advice. I
have to install a fresh copy of debian on my laptop and i'm a
bit on the fence
1417 [11:29:24] <blackflow> bitlan_: how big is the backup?
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1419 [11:30:19] <ayor> should I install jessie now and then just
re-install stretch again when it's out
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1422 [11:30:40] <ayor> or should i go for Stretch rc2 and then
just upgrade to release?
1423 [11:30:44] <jelly> bitlan_: yeah, it does.
1424 [11:30:52] <AppelIsBad> рш
1425 [11:30:56] <AppelIsBad> hi
1426 [11:31:06] <blackflow> ayor: I went directly to Stretch RC
dvd iso last night
1427 [11:31:50] <ayor> blackflow, when the final release is out,
can you upgrade your install seamlessly from the RC? I can't
find an answer to this question
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1429 [11:32:03] <jelly> bitlan_: lftp, open
sftp://your-ssh-user@server/, cd wherver, help pget
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1431 [11:32:22] <blackflow> ayor: yes, just upgrade
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1433 [11:32:40] <blackflow> ayor: make sure the apt sources state
"stretch" and not "testing" so that will leave
you on the Stretch branch
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1436 [11:32:55] <blackflow> ayor: it's like that by default
when you install from the rc dvd iso
1437 [11:33:16] <jelly> ayor: you can, but the result may not
match exactly what you'd get by reinstalling cleanly
1438 [11:33:51] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks for the info
1439 [11:33:57] <ayor> jelly what are the cons?
1440 [11:34:25] <ayor> It just takes me quite some time to get my
development environment set so i'm just trying to avoid a
re-install if possible
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1447 [11:36:25] <ayor> another question regarding install. I was
trying a netinstall, and I went on intel's website to download
the firmware for my wifi card. I unzipped the contents and put it in
the firmware folder on the install usb key but
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1451 [11:36:39] <ayor> during install my wifi card didn't get
detected
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1453 [11:37:17] <ayor> any idea what I would be missing here?
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1470 [11:43:55] <blackflow> ayor: I've never had luck with
firmware during the installation. So if you can use netinstall
without it, just do it, you can always install firmware from
non-free repo later
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1474 [11:46:41] <ayor> blackflow, ok thanks :)
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1505 [12:03:24] <hiya> Windows Movie Maker replacement for Debian?
1506 [12:03:25] <hiya> Anyone ?
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1511 [12:06:27] <petn-randall> hiya: What does it do?
1512 [12:07:17] <hiya> petn-randall, I need a program to create a
small video clip by adding pictures and effects easily
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1514 [12:07:41] <hiya> to share with family over facebook etc for
example for invitation to a party
1515 [12:07:50] <hiya> is Pitivi or Kdenlive good for it?
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1517 [12:08:32] <petn-randall> hiya: sure, try them and see.
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1534 [12:16:59] <serpente> I cannot compile a kernel module on
jessie (kernel 4.9.0 from backports): ld: cannot open output file
drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a directory
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1539 [12:18:26] <BluesKaj> hi folks
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1549 [12:21:32] <TEXM> Good Morning Bluekaj
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1552 [12:22:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning TEXM
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1554 [12:22:12] <itsiam_> hiya: i used kdenlive for similar task.
and avidemux
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1586 [12:35:41] <____Adam> Hi! I need some help, i would need a
webcamera streamer software what can create a dummy node (feed other
programs, like a browser) and can mirror the image horizontally. I
cannot kick in webcamstudio, nor webcamoid, because of that roo
password issue
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1610 [12:56:10] <Silicium> hi there
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1612 [12:56:37] <Silicium> is there a way to list all licenses
(short) included in a package?
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1614 [12:56:56] <Silicium> the license.txt is not really machine
readable
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1629 [13:03:38] <Iridos> did you mean the COPYING file?
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1632 [13:04:36] <Iridos> where do you see a license.text
1633 [13:04:59] <Iridos> (except for some specific packages)
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1639 [13:07:11] <Iridos> look at
replaced-url
1640 [13:07:35] <jelly> Silicium: and
replaced-url
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1642 [13:09:16] <Iridos> guess /usr/share/doc/*/copyright is the
best one gets?
1643 [13:09:48] <jelly> best wait to see if they respond and
clarify what they were actually looking at
1644 [13:09:58] <Silicium> yes but not parsable for all packages
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1647 [13:10:24] <jelly> Silicium: what did you mean by
license.txt?
1648 [13:10:25] <Silicium> i need the short id of the license,
License: sometimes contains the whole license text and multiple
licenses
1649 [13:10:39] <Silicium> s/license.txt/copyright
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1651 [13:10:51] <jelly> Silicium: which debian release are you
looking at?
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1654 [13:11:09] <Silicium> sadly i'am forced to use ubuntu
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1656 [13:11:50] <Silicium> debian_version is jessie/sid
1657 [13:11:57] <jelly> Silicium: you're asking in wrong
channel then, we have no idea what ubuntu's policy about
machine readable debian/copyright is, if any
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1660 [13:12:33] <Silicium> iam sure it is the same thing in debian
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1664 [13:12:42] <jelly> I'm very sure it's not.
1665 [13:12:48] <Silicium> :D
1666 [13:13:03] <jelly> go ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
1667 [13:13:13] <Silicium> :(
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1669 [13:13:57] <jelly> even in Debian, usage of
copyright-format/1.0 is, as the text says, optional
1670 [13:13:58] <Silicium> just looked into the same package on
debian - its the same issue
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1672 [13:14:16] <Silicium> check the bsdutils package
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1674 [13:14:21] <jelly> Silicium: I'm sure the maintainer
will accept your patches.
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1676 [13:14:31] <jelly> !reportbug
1677 [13:14:32] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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1679 [13:14:50] <Silicium> so there is no other way to get the
licenses?
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1682 [13:15:36] <jelly> Silicium: bsdutils in jessie has this as
first line of copyright:
1683 [13:15:39] <jelly> Format:
replaced-url
1684 [13:15:58] <jelly> (jessie is debian 8, the current release)
1685 [13:16:14] <Silicium> so this is a quiet new feature, i see
1686 [13:16:18] <Silicium> thx so far
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1688 [13:16:47] <jelly> so that one package is updated to use it
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1690 [13:17:20] <jelly> except on your release of ubuntu, which we
know nothing about. Again. Go ask #ubuntu.
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1693 [13:17:40] <jelly> or use debian, that's fine, too :-)
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1714 [13:23:09] <helldorado> hi all
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1717 [13:24:53] <helldorado> I am trying to install a vm with 25G
with a specific preseed. I have this error during installation and
do not load my expert_recipe => partman-auto: Available disk
space (26843) too small for expert recipe (41168); skipping
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1730 [13:28:50] <deathrose> hallo
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1737 [13:33:11] <DuckZ> hi, I downloaded
[bmake_20160220.orig.tar.gz] and [bmake_20160220-2.debian.tar.xz]
from here
replaced-url
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1739 [13:33:21] <serpente> I cannot compile modules on 4.9.0: ld:
cannot open output file drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.ko: Is a
directory
1740 [13:33:27] <serpente> please help
1741 [13:33:29] <serpente> thanks
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1746 [13:34:19] <DuckZ> just building bmake didn't do it, I
think because of this
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1750 [13:37:34] <blackflow> serpente: building the kernel?
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1753 [13:39:05] <serpente> blackest_mamba: make oldconfig, make
modules
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1755 [13:40:06] <blackflow> serpente: well, haven't done it
on Debian yet, but did plenty of kernel builds on Gentoo. I'd
suggest run make clean first. or, back up your .config somewhere and
do a full clean sweep with mrproper
1756 [13:40:15] <serpente> blackflow: make oldconfig, make modules
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1774 [13:45:49] <Iridos> DuckZ, on debian systems apt-get source
bmake does it all for you
1775 [13:46:45] <Iridos> one file just contains the debian
directory
1776 [13:46:59] <Iridos> and that has a subdirectory
debian/patches/
1777 [13:47:06] <DuckZ> Iridos: I wish... I'm on some super
old centos :/
1778 [13:47:13] <Iridos> the rest seems kind of obvious
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1782 [13:48:28] <DuckZ> so if I get it right, I should apply the
patches inside debian/patches before building, then compile,
install, then copy euh... some stuff from debian/ into my prefix
dir, is that right?
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1784 [13:49:14] <wildpenguin> hello, which is the default DE for
Debian Stable? which DE is preferred by most debian users?
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1786 [13:51:38] <die7> wildpenguin: DE is Gnome , KDE, XFCE, LXDE,
Mate but you can also install and use openbox, fluxbox
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1789 [13:52:14] <wildpenguin> which is most intuitive DE?
especially for beginners?
1790 [13:52:19] <die7> wildpenguin: depends on what you like , for
me is mate on desktop ok , it is based on old gnome-2
1791 [13:52:23] <sypher> Also cinnamon.
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1793 [13:52:31] <die7> sypher: jepp
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1805 [13:56:02] <b_jonas> I think I found out my problem.
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1806 [13:56:03] <judd> Bug
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1808 [13:56:30] <b_jonas> So I'm actually running an older
kernel, which I suspected, but I checked its name, and it has the
same name as the most recent kernel, so I ruled it out.
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1810 [13:56:44] <b_jonas> I'll have to upgrade to the newer
kernel, so that it matches the installed modules.
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1813 [13:57:28] <wildpenguin> ok
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1816 [13:58:30] <b_jonas> What's the boot time option to
cause the init script to give me a root command line prompt before
it tries to change from the initrd to the final root file system?
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1818 [13:59:04] <b_jonas> Although... that might not help me, the
initrd probably won't be enough.
1819 [13:59:14] <b_jonas> I'll boot from a rescue disk or
something.
1820 [13:59:23] <BluesKaj> wildpenguin, KDE/plasma has a more
familiar look to former windows users, but it's a bit heavier
on the cpu and gpu than other lighter DEs
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1835 [14:03:31] <DuckZ> if I apply the debian patches and copy the
content of the directory into bmake's source it compiles fine
but then make install fails:
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1876 [14:22:25] <galex-713> How
1877 [14:22:30] <galex-713> *Hi
1878 [14:22:47] <galex-713> Any informations about digitally
signing pdfs with free software?
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1882 [14:25:19] <tw> afaik, you can't, but I would also be
interested in such information. The PDF2 specification makes it
relatively easy to do, but it's not final.
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1884 [14:25:43] <abff> what does signing a pdf mean?
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1886 [14:26:03] <abff> Like a personal hash that only could have
been you?
1887 [14:26:10] <abff> PGP style?
1888 [14:26:27] <tw> Apply a non-repudiatable digital signature
using x509 issued by an identity provider like verisign.
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1890 [14:26:48] <abff> ew
1891 [14:27:10] <tw> It's standard enterprise stuff. GPG WOT
is not enterprise friendly.
1892 [14:27:34] <abff> double ew
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1894 [14:27:42] <Stummi> gpg --sign file.pdf (*covers* ;) )
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1902 [14:29:51] <galex-713> x)
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1905 [14:30:33] <tw> As I understand it, PDF2 allows almost
arbitrary cryptographic extensions, so you can use a GPG key, if
someone makes a sign/verification spec & implementation for it.
1906 [14:30:41] <galex-713> cooooooool
1907 [14:30:43] <galex-713> :D
1908 [14:31:09] <tw> It just won't be accepted in enterprise,
so it's super useless to me XD
1909 [14:31:22] <galex-713> tw, the worst option would be you
would have to generate a self-signed X509 from your gpg key before
to sign, since some software like gnutls allows the usage of pgp
keys instead of x509
1910 [14:31:33] <Iridos> maybe php-tcpdf
1911 [14:31:39] <galex-713> tw: in France soon paying taxes will
be mandatorily on-line
1912 [14:32:00] <galex-713> and you sign cryptographically a
PDF form
1913 [14:32:12] <galex-713> Iridos, ?
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1915 [14:32:29] <galex-713> tw, yet I thought it was PDF 1.5
or 1.6 that allowed crypto signatures
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1917 [14:32:41] <Iridos> galex-713, apt-cache show php-tcpdf |
grep -i sign
1918 [14:33:00] <Iridos> and yes, php
1919 [14:33:01] <galex-713> I heard poppler has kinda began to
build experimental support for pdf certifications… back in
2008…
1920 [14:33:04] <galex-713> :/
1921 [14:33:06] <galex-713> php :/
1922 [14:33:24] <Iridos> well, I'll just not tell you what I
found next time
1923 [14:33:26] <tw> galex-713: Sure, but that's in the dark
days of non-standard PDF spec. When it was still under the Adobe
umbrella.
1924 [14:33:27] <jelly> galex-713: it seems there are pdf signage
CLOUD solutions now
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1926 [14:33:30] <Iridos> and maybe skip the search
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1928 [14:33:52] <galex-713> jelly, what?
1929 [14:33:58] <galex-713> what CLOUD is?
1930 [14:34:01] <galex-713> is it in debian?
1931 [14:34:03] <jelly> you "merely" have to send your
pdf and crypto over to some online service...
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1933 [14:34:19] <Iridos> yay
1934 [14:34:19] <galex-713> tw, PDF2 is not anymore adobe? :DD
1935 [14:34:31] <galex-713> jelly, ah xD
1936 [14:34:39] <galex-713> sending private key over network, yay
1937 [14:34:49] <jelly> I have no idea how it actually works
1938 [14:34:51] <tw> pdf1.7 is standardized, but it refers to a
number of non-standard specifications, including the adobe-js spec.
1939 [14:35:00] <abff> yay.
1940 [14:35:04] <tw> it's a shitstorm of sadness =(
1941 [14:35:22] <galex-713> Iridos, at least if a php lib
implements it, it means if it’s not implemented in poppler
that’s not because it’s too difficult but because nobody
is working on it
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1943 [14:36:12] <galex-713> is poppler (the library) official
channel #poppler on this irc network?
1944 [14:36:32] <Iridos> also… searching the debian
archives only searches through the package descriptions
1945 [14:37:34] <Iridos> anyway libpoppler is only for rendering?
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1949 [14:39:10] <galex-713> Iridos, poppler is for pdf in general
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1951 [14:39:18] <galex-713> programs using poppler just are the UI
1952 [14:39:44] <galex-713> but afaik poppler deals with PDF
format/standards/features, text selection, pdf edits, etc.
1953 [14:39:50] <Iridos> that's why it's called "
PDF rendering library"?
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1959 [14:40:32] <Iridos> in the package description and on
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1960 [14:40:44] <galex-713> you know, gecko is a “render
engine” and it deals with crypto
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1965 [14:41:20] <galex-713> I saw some tentatives from 2008 to
implement PDF signatures and it says it requires modifications to
both poppler and evince|okular|whatever
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1967 [14:42:05] <Iridos> where does gecko deal with encryption?
1968 [14:42:13] <Iridos> anyway… not everything that's
horrible is a comparison
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1972 [14:43:19] <Papillon> there's still postscript that
it's all based on but it doesn't have a lot of features?
1973 [14:43:37] <gaddafi_00> Hi. Im new here. I am planning to
move from Ubuntu onto Debian. What would you recommend so that I can
get up and quick with it.
1974 [14:43:38] <galex-713>
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1976 [14:44:10] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, what do you mean?
1977 [14:44:26] <galex-713> do you mean like “is it possible
to use Unity and to have a roll-release distro”?
1978 [14:45:01] <gaddafi_00> No. I hate Unity. Im on KDE
(Kubuntu).
1979 [14:45:07] <Iridos> verifying a signature would be a task I
might see the renderer do… signing on the ohter hand…
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1981 [14:45:24] <gaddafi_00> I wanna know if there are notable
differences between the distros
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1983 [14:46:17] <Papillon> small differences in the interface I
guess
1984 [14:46:20] <galex-713> Iridos,
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1985 [14:46:21] <BluesKaj> galex-713, sort of, if you keep your
packages up to date
1986 [14:46:57] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, debian stable usually has
older packages than ubuntu, because package versions don't
change during a release to guarantee as much as possible that no new
bugs get in… and one major difference is that firmware (for
wlan etc.) is not in the debian main archives or the normal
installer CD because firmware was considered non-free and moved out
1987 [14:47:22] <Iridos> there are inofficial installer images
that include the firmware, though, if you need to e.g. install via
wlan
1988 [14:47:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, use testing and it will
globally rolling-release like ubuntu except it will be a bit less
stable and maybe a lot more difficult to get support (and a bit
little more than for debian stable)
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1990 [14:48:33] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, also mostly non-free
hardware is not supported but you can still either install manually
the non-free software (dunno how), or purchase free hardware (not
that difficult)
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1993 [14:48:55] <Iridos> we don't don't suggest using
testing because testing implies that you're willing to fix and
report bugs (and are able to do so, i.e. know your way around the
system)
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1997 [14:49:17] <abff> gaddafi_00 Id start with a live USB
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1999 [14:49:43] <abff> I use XFCE, I installed from my live usb
and I never went back :)
2000 [14:49:47] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, but globally ubuntu is
just like debian except it’s a big company providing lot of
non-free software and a lot more known so with a bigger community
(but you can still ask support on ubuntu community when you’re
using debian and vice versa, works most of time)
2001 [14:49:57] <gaddafi_00> abff, Let me download it and try out.
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2003 [14:50:51] <Iridos> gaddafi_00, this is kind of a special
time, though… stretch has been frozen for a while…
which means that no new versions get in only as many bugfixes as
possible … when the bug count reaches a practical zero,
stretch will be released
2004 [14:51:13] <OerHeks> galex-713, debian channels and ubuntu
channels disagree, one can ask, but getting the right answer is
unlikely
2005 [14:51:16] <Iridos> so in this case it might be pretty
worthwhile to install stretch and help finding and fixing more bugs
2006 [14:51:34] <galex-713> OerHeks, saw a lot of that on forums
2007 [14:51:48] <Iridos> galex-713, you were just saying that
debian es the same as ubuntu only that it's totally different
2008 [14:51:53] <gaddafi_00> galex-713, Thank you. But if I switch
my servers from Ubuntu, I will not have a very hard timw
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2010 [14:53:12] <galex-713> Iridos, depend of what is the same and
what is not, actually at a first shot I tend to explain the main
differences that can be seen from an ubuntu user
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2014 [14:54:06] <galex-713> but sorry I let you explain ^^
2015 [14:54:10] <Iridos> galex-713, and you should never ask
ubuntu support questions here… it's extremely
frustrating for the people answering it in here and will get you
slapped around for it if it's found out after an hour of
fruitless search because basic assumptions true for debian just
aren't true for something randomly based on it
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2019 [14:54:43] <galex-713> gaddafi_00, might be a lot different
when we speak about servers and not basic desktop usage
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2026 [14:55:40] <galex-713> Iridos, yeah, I was mostly thinking to
newbie debian users asking on ubuntu forums/sx, and sometimes ubuntu
users asking on debian forums, less irc, and more debian->ubuntu
than the opposite
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2032 [14:56:59] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: most notable differences?
Ubuntu specific software. Not just Unity and upcoming Mir (if it
ever comes out), but Ubuntu specific patches to many other packages,
the kernel, ...
2033 [14:57:34] <blackflow> gaddafi_00: knowledge of Debian will
apply to Ubuntu, but more than the other way around
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2037 [14:59:13] <galex-713> blackflow, +1, mostly what I tried to
say yet terribly ^^'
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2040 [14:59:40] <blackflow> After three years of running Ubuntu on
my main desktop and some servers, (because I can, and why not), got
fed up with constant breakage of things in Ubuntu, and switched back
to Debian. The servers will be switched back on next upgrade cycle,
I dodged a few bullets there too, even with the LTS (S != stable :)
)
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2046 [15:02:58] <jeddi> Consider
replaced-url
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2048 [15:04:07] <AppelIsBad> hi, Why the debian-software is so old
as the dinosaurs?
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2050 [15:04:23] <jeddi> AppelIsBad: it's not.
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2052 [15:04:30] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about sns
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2055 [15:04:44] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about stable
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2058 [15:05:19] <Habitual> Is that like one of the most asked
questions?
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2060 [15:06:25] <petn-randall> Habitual: No, the other half is
complaining why Debian is adopting so much new things like 256 color
terminals or a init system from the 21st century.
2061 [15:06:40] <tw> I'm in the latter group.
2062 [15:06:55] * petn-randall loves his 256 colours.
2063 [15:07:01] <tw> serial console + busybox init ;)
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2065 [15:07:06] <Habitual> ^
2066 [15:07:15] <jeddi> 8 colours (plus bold combinations) should
be enough for everyone.
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2068 [15:07:35] <Habitual> well, if it doesn't break?
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2072 [15:07:57] <Elirips> why even colors?
2073 [15:08:01] <petn-randall> AppelIsBad: If your actual question
is "where do I get more current Debian packages from?",
the answer is "backports".
2074 [15:08:12] <petn-randall> !tell AppelIsBad -about jessie
backports
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2076 [15:08:16] <jeddi> or 'testing / unstable'
2077 [15:08:21] <Habitual> ^
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2079 [15:08:35] <petn-randall> Not recommended for beginners.
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2081 [15:08:42] <BluesKaj> what about contrib non-free ?
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2084 [15:09:15] <blackflow> 256 colors was first available on vga
320x240 pixel mode. twenty years later, 256 colors in 320x240 column
terminals (4k displays) :)
2085 [15:09:17] <jeddi> petn-randall: appreciate that. but ...
unstable's been delightfully trouble-free for me the past
several years. used to have some serious packaging issues every few
months back in the late 90's through mid 00's. maybe
i'm just slower to upgrade regularly these days.
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2092 [15:10:42] <petn-randall> jeddi: Nice it works for you, but
not too long ago it broke for every nvidia user out there, just as
an example. And it does need some fixing here and there from time to
time.
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2100 [15:11:52] <jeddi> petn-randall: i must have not been
updating back then (i run proprietary nvidia modules on a few of my
boxes). i've always assumed if people think software > 3yo
is analogous to dinosaur epoch ... they want to live a little closer
to the edge. ;)
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2114 [15:14:48] <petn-randall> jeddi: Sure, but testing/sid is
*not* a rolling release, you're beta-testing software for the
upcoming release. So recommending to upgrade should come with a big,
fat boilerplate stating that.
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2118 [15:16:17] <petn-randall> jeddi: Also, channel policy is, if
you have to ask "Should I upgrade to testing?", then the
answer is always "no". :)
2119 [15:16:47] <jeddi> fairy nuff.
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2139 [15:24:41] <slunatecqo> hi guys - I am trying to make NFS
work. I started a NFS server in container that seems to work
perfectly and than mount it (commands and outputs
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2141 [15:25:13] <slunatecqo> The wierder thing is, that I belive 2
days ago I mounted exactly this way...
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2147 [15:28:27] <slunatecqo> ok - probably solved the incorrect
mount option by restarting rpcbind and nfs-common - but now I am
getting
replaced-url
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2150 [15:30:30] <Papillon> they should have used the spruce goose
for the berlin airlift
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2153 [15:30:45] <jim> (2 separate questions) does python2, and
does python3, have anything to do with core or packaging stuff in
debian? (like, is debian core functionality likely to be broken if
python were to be upgraded or otherwise changed?)
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2161 [15:31:23] <Papillon>
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2162 [15:31:27] <Papillon> firewall problem?
2163 [15:31:28] <BluesKaj> Papillon, intersting thought, but where
could it land ?
2164 [15:31:30] <jim> (the question in the ()s can be split into
py2 and py3)
2165 [15:31:53] <Papillon> berlin has a river
2166 [15:32:04] <jim> BluesKaj, heya
2167 [15:32:24] <Papillon> havel river?
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2169 [15:32:46] <Papillon> tegeler see?
2170 [15:33:02] <BluesKaj> yeah ok, but does it have a 3km
straight stretch >
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2174 [15:34:46] <themill> jim: you can cheerfully break every
package that starts with "python" in doing this in a way
that prevents future installations and upgrades with apt.
2175 [15:34:46] <Papillon> I think so. Question is can a seaplane
land on a frozen river, and if so, how thick does the ice need to be
2176 [15:34:50] <petn-randall> Papillon: Wrong channel?
2177 [15:34:51] <sypher> !chat
2178 [15:34:52] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or
##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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2183 [15:35:20] <Papillon> I was making a joke about someone who
asked for any ideas
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2185 [15:35:59] <BluesKaj> oops
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2190 [15:37:14] <jim> themill, I'm not sure I understand...
you're saying python isn't involved in core debian
functionality?
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2195 [15:37:53] <BluesKaj> Hi jim
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2200 [15:39:34] <themill> jim: you'd need to define
"core debian functionality". There are 48k packages.
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2203 [15:40:18] <jim> themill, for one thing, does either python 2
or 3 have any involvement in packaging/
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2205 [15:40:20] <jim> ?
2206 [15:40:23] <blackflow> jim: are you concerned about things
breaking like they do on gentoo if mess with python?
2207 [15:40:29] <blackflow> *if you mess
2208 [15:40:40] <themill> jim: sure, they are used by every
package with "python" in the name
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2214 [15:41:24] <themill> and you can make it so that no
python-using package can be installed or upgraded (and hence no
package can be installed or upgraded)
2215 [15:42:06] <jim> themill, so by that, you mean that there are
some modules used by python, that probably have a depend on python 2
or 3
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2218 [15:42:33] <themill> I have no idea what you're saying
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2224 [15:43:49] <themill> IRC does hypotheticals badly. How about
asking a concrete question.
2225 [15:43:51] <sypher> I think he's asking "Will I
break Debian if I install a different Python version, or remove
Python."
2226 [15:43:52] <jim> themill, my question is more, is python used
(say) as a scripting language for things like apt, apt-get,
aptitude, etc, such that, if the python were broken, it would
generally prevent package installs?
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2229 [15:44:15] <themill> apt does not use python. maintainer
scripts use python
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2232 [15:44:29] <Papillon> is there a way to see a list of
essential packages?
2233 [15:44:39] <themill> Papillon: aptitude search ~E
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2238 [15:45:03] <themill> (note that apt incorrectly adds itself
to that list)
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2242 [15:45:58] <jim> themill, is that true of some packages that
don't have python in the name? is it therefore true that
packages having python maintainer scripts, pre-depend on python?
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2244 [15:46:25] <themill> they don't need to pre-depend on
python
2245 [15:46:42] <sypher> This is an X/Y problem.
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2248 [15:46:50] <jim> is some version of python in the base?
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2250 [15:46:55] <petn-randall> !goal
2251 [15:46:55] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2254 [15:47:07] <Papillon> I don't think python is in base
2255 [15:47:10] <themill> jim: please ask your real question, this
is boring and/or frustrating
2256 [15:47:15] <themill> there is no "base"
2257 [15:47:31] <centrx> He wants to know, if python is broken,
will it break apt, etc. (dpkg?) preventing package installs
2258 [15:47:33] <petn-randall> Maybe in baseball? But that's
offtopic.
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2261 [15:47:50] <themill> centrx: which I have said
"yes" to about 10 times now.
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2264 [15:48:15] <Papillon> apt seems to be c, it doesn't
require python
2265 [15:48:21] <themill> *sigh*
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2267 [15:48:23] <jim> ok, good enough
2268 [15:48:27] <Papillon> it doesn't even recommend or
suggest python
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2270 [15:48:42] <Papillon> python doesn't even enhance apt
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2273 [15:48:57] <Papillon>
replaced-url
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2275 [15:49:10] <themill> How I wish reading were involved in
text-based media.
2276 [15:49:19] <jim> Papillon, but one thing that would break,
would be those packages whose maint scripts are in python
2277 [15:49:34] <themill> s/are in/call/
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2279 [15:49:46] <Papillon> if a package has a script that requires
python that package presumably would require python
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2282 [15:50:41] <Papillon> like of you had a dvr front end program
that used python scripts, pythondvrfrontend, pythondvrfrontend would
require python
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2286 [15:51:12] <jim> that was one question I had: in such a
package, would there be a -pre- depend on python? or, is some
version/build of python in the base?
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2288 [15:51:37] <BluesKaj> like pytivo
2289 [15:51:42] <themill> there still is no base.
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2291 [15:51:53] <themill> and there is still no need for a
pre-depends
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2293 [15:52:49] <jim> ok, what mechanism replaces the one that
makes sure that python is installed before installing a packages
whose maint scripts use it?
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2296 [15:53:23] <themill> "Depends: python" is enough
2297 [15:54:05] <sypher> Also note that lsb-release depends on
python.
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2299 [15:54:28] <tdn> I am trying to install Debian 8 on an SSD
and then install Grub on MBR on a USB thumb drive. This fails,
however. Is it not possible to install Grub on MBR on a USB device?
Note, I also chose to put /boot on the USB device.
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2304 [15:55:28] <nkuttler> tdn: you can install grub on any device
you want. not sure though how flexible the installer is
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2306 [15:55:33] <Papillon> is MBR a feature of the old partition
format the one before gpt?
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2308 [15:55:51] <newcoder> How can I remove files with rc? rc
texlive-lang-korean
2309 [15:55:54] <jim> oh, on to the "there is no
base"... how would the mechanism that builds a netinstall that
contains this thing (if it's not a base, what's it
called?) know what packages to include in the image?
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2313 [15:56:40] <tdn> nkuttler, why would it even know the
difference between it being a USB device and a real HDD?
2314 [15:56:43] <sypher> What is the point of this line of
questioning?
2315 [15:56:47] <BluesKaj> tdn, why are you making it so difficult
for yourself , install grub on the ssd, unless you have other
reasons that I can't think of
2316 [15:56:54] <tdn> Papillon, what should I use instead? This is
what the insatller tries to do
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2318 [15:57:00] <Iridos> newcoder, "purge" … look
in the manpage of aptitude/apt-get/apt/whatever you use for exact
usage (it differs)
2319 [15:57:02] <tdn> BluesKaj, I cannot boot from the USB
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2321 [15:57:31] <nkuttler> tdn: i'd think the installer uses
the disk where /boot is, if the interface doesn't allow to
customize that just run grub-install from a shell?
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2323 [15:57:57] <themill> jim: you define an installation target
and then find all the packages that are needed to fulfil the
dependencies. Priority:standard + bootloader + kernel for the
netinst image -- but none of those are required for a debian
installation. (the KDE image also has task-kde-desktop etc).
2324 [15:57:59] <newcoder> tripkin: I don't want to remove
individually. How can I remove all files with rc?
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2326 [15:58:14] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is an HP server with room for
4 storage disks + one 5th system disk (The SSD). The 5th disk is
where I install Debian. The 5th disk, however, does is not bootable.
So I would install grub and /boot on a USB that I insert into the
board inside the case.
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2328 [15:58:31] <tdn> nkuttler, the installed explicitly asks me
where to install grub to MBR
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2331 [15:58:46] <nkuttler> tdn: and the usb drive doesn't
show up?
2332 [15:58:53] <jim> standard?! standard is huge! doesn't it
include build-essential and tex?
2333 [15:58:59] <themill> no.
2334 [15:59:24] <tdn> nkuttler, yes, it does show up as /dev/sdc.
And I can select it. But grub install to MBR fails. It does not say
why.
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2339 [15:59:39] <nkuttler> tdn: run grub-install from a shell
2340 [15:59:43] <tdn> nkuttler, the USB is also present during
isntall. That is how I chose to isntall /boot on it
2341 [15:59:49] <tdn> nkuttler, how do I get a shell?
2342 [16:00:00] <nkuttler> tdn: alt-right in the curses installer
2343 [16:00:03] <jim> ok, so then standard must have been gutted
:)
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2345 [16:00:14] <themill> jim: no
2346 [16:00:21] <themill> you're just making stuff up
2347 [16:00:44] <BluesKaj> dpkg, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not
mbr
2348 [16:00:44] <dpkg> BluesKaj: wish i knew
2349 [16:00:47] <jim> hence the phrase "must have been",
yes
2350 [16:00:54] <tdn> nkuttler, grub-install is not available at
that shell
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2352 [16:01:19] <nkuttler> tdn: you probably have to chroot into
/target or what it was, and mount the kernel stuff etc
2353 [16:01:22] <nkuttler> proc
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2360 [16:02:52] <BluesKaj> tdn, sudo grub-install /dev/sdc , not
mbr should work, from your media usb or dvd/cd
2361 [16:04:03] <tdn> BluesKaj, grub-install: not found
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2363 [16:05:10] <BluesKaj> sudo grub-install
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2365 [16:05:28] <BluesKaj> this debian rememeber
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2369 [16:06:02] <BluesKaj> it'll say not found if you forget
sudo
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2389 [16:13:22] <tdn> BluesKaj, apt-get: not found
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2391 [16:13:29] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a limited busybox or
something
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2393 [16:13:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, alllso: sudo: not found
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2395 [16:14:26] <Iridos> tdn, /usr/bin/apt-get ?
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2397 [16:14:58] <bguser> hello i have a debian guest within
virtualbox and like to use the 'bridged adapter' which
shows up under br-306fdfe07fa8 and like to use it so application on
mentioned guest views transparently at the network
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2401 [16:15:20] <tdn> Iridos, not there. This is the installer.
Not an actual working system.
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2404 [16:16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah busybox eh. hmm, did you run
e2fsck on the disk
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2407 [16:17:36] <tdn> BluesKaj, I did not. On the USB you mean?
Grub is installed to MBR, right? And e2fsck works on the actual
filesystem. Not MBR.
2408 [16:17:42] <tdn> BluesKaj, do you mean badblocks maybe?
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2410 [16:17:57] <Iridos> tdn, uh… boot into your real
system using a rescue disk or something? Then look what grub says
2411 [16:18:06] <Iridos> how did that apt-get thing even turn up
2412 [16:18:22] <tdn> Iridos, there is no "real system".
I am installing debian.
2413 [16:18:29] <Iridos> also… how can a disk not be
bootable at all… that seems weird
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2415 [16:18:49] <Iridos> tdn, I looked at the backlog by now and
you said you installed it, but could not get it to boot from an
external usb
2416 [16:19:06] <tdn> Iridos, the disk is bootable. The port on
the controller is not, however. I guess that is just how the BIOS
was made on this particular machine
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2419 [16:19:29] <tdn> Iridos, I tried to install it, but it failed
to install grub to MBR
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2421 [16:19:43] <BluesKaj> tdn, you can install grub on any disk
2422 [16:20:08] <tdn> BluesKaj, yes, that iis why I am surprised
it failed to instal on the USB
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2426 [16:20:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, I tried reinstalling and then
installed grub on the SSD. Works fine to install grub, however, now
I have grub on a device that is not bootable == not working
situation :/
2427 [16:20:45] <tdn> Will try with a different USB disk. Maybe it
is broken somehow.
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2429 [16:21:08] <BluesKaj> tdn, is this a UEFI machine?
2430 [16:21:11] <Iridos> but that's just the boot
loader… and that should happen after everything else is
installed
2431 [16:21:40] <tdn> Iridos, everything else DID install fine
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2433 [16:21:50] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is a HPE MicroServer Gen8
2434 [16:21:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, I do not think it is UEFI
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2436 [16:22:13] <Iridos> yes… so boot into it using any
rescue disk or whatever you think of
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2444 [16:23:02] <BluesKaj> tdn, how old is it ? if pre 2010 then
it's mostlikely BIOS
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2446 [16:23:17] <Papillon> it looks like it's bios
2447 [16:23:17] <tdn> BluesKaj, I boughthe server last week
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2450 [16:23:34] <tdn> BluesKaj, however, it is not the newest
model. I think it is from 2015 or something like that
2451 [16:23:37] <tdn> The model
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2454 [16:23:48] <bob101> looking for help with XSS any good
channels of use?
2455 [16:24:24] <Papillon> e3 1200v2?
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2465 [16:26:50] <BluesKaj> tdn, if it's regular pc with added
drives then it's still a UEFI machine from 2015
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2468 [16:27:24] <dTal> holy god I hate pulseaudio
2469 [16:27:33] <tdn> BluesKaj, not a reegular PC. A server.
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2471 [16:27:57] <tdn> BluesKaj, this is the HP small server
series. Kinda like the Proliant but smaller case, etc.
2472 [16:27:58] <Papillon> I like the idea of a software mixer or
whatever, I hate pulseaudio
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2474 [16:28:18] <Papillon> they're nice but too expensive for
what they are imo
2475 [16:28:29] <galex-713_> software mixer?
2476 [16:28:34] <Papillon> I'm making a two drive nas just
out of an old core 2 dell slim
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2478 [16:28:44] <galex-713_> what the problem with pulseaudio?
beside its cpu load
2479 [16:28:49] <galex-713_> *usage
2480 [16:28:51] <dTal> god forbid a body should want audio to be
routed to a bluetooth speaker when it's turned on, and back to
internal speakers when switched off
2481 [16:29:10] <dTal> the problem is it's hilariously
overcomplicated, fragile, and unreliable
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2483 [16:29:19] <dTal> everything "kinda-sorta" works
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2485 [16:29:43] <BluesKaj> dTal, if you have intel
audio/snd-hda-intel then you can use alsa directly and purge
pulseaudio and pulseaudio-utils
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2487 [16:30:37] <dTal> and how is live switching between
HDMI/bluetooth handled? last I checked that required a ton of
hardcoding in /etc/asoundrc
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2494 [16:31:53] <BluesKaj> dTal, which debian ? don't think
/etc/asoundrc exists anymore
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2496 [16:32:29] <dTal> Jessie, and I imagine that it's not
needed by default with pulseaudio
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2504 [16:33:48] <BluesKaj> dTal, dunno about blurtooth audio
devices, but hdmi doesn't need pulse , I know that for sure
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2506 [16:33:51] <dTal> the whole point of pulseaudio on this
machine was so that my parents could buy a bluetooth speaker and use
it without command line fiddling, or plug the laptop into the TV, or
anything else you might want to do
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2508 [16:34:20] <dTal> and they just bought a bluetooth speaker,
and now I'm spending my afternoon making the damn thing work,
so fail
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2511 [16:35:12] <dTal> and now, after manually adding a module to
one of several pulse configuration files, success! it switches to
the bluetooth speaker when I turn it on
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2513 [16:35:38] <BluesKaj> dt does it show up in lsusb
2514 [16:35:40] <dTal> unhappily it fails to switch back to the
internal speaker when I turn it back off
2515 [16:35:50] <BluesKaj> dTal, ^
2516 [16:36:10] <dTal> why would it show up in lsusb, it's
bluetooth
2517 [16:36:37] <bolt> the joys of attempting to push linux on
unsuspecting relatives :)
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2519 [16:36:41] <dTal> I'm not really asking for help, just
ranting
2520 [16:36:47] <BluesKaj> the usb bluetooth transmitter ?
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2522 [16:37:09] <Papillon> my usb headphones have crackling :(
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2524 [16:37:31] <dTal> the bluetooth adapter works fine, it's
the bluetooth-pulseaudio interface that sucks (and pulse in general)
2525 [16:38:06] <BluesKaj> dTal, nevermind .
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2527 [16:39:39] <dTal> bolt: I'd rather do this sort of thing
every so often than the 4-6 month periodic backup-and-wipe required
with Windows machines
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2529 [16:41:10] <bolt> dTal: if i had to wipe my windows machines
every 4-6 months, i'd sit down and learn how to use it
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2531 [16:42:04] <dTal> that's the point, they're not my
machines
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2534 [16:42:21] <teraflops> dTal: go use plain alsa for bt... it
sucks even more
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2536 [16:42:52] <dTal> I have, thank you
2537 [16:43:04] <teraflops> yw
2538 [16:43:16] <dTal> and it's far superior in every respect
except dynamicism
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2540 [16:43:28] <teraflops> !ok
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2543 [16:43:49] <dTal> which is admittedly an important feature,
hence I suffer with pulse
2544 [16:44:18] <teraflops> phrik c'mon
2545 [16:44:24] <bolt> when they're not your machines,
there's even more of an incentive to give the end user
something they can handle
2546 [16:44:36] <bolt> so they don't have to come running to
you just because they want a pdf reader all of a sudden
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2548 [16:44:50] <bolt> or they need vpn to their workplace or
whatever
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2550 [16:45:03] <dTal> it depends on the scale of the needs of the
user
2551 [16:45:06] <teraflops> oh lol I thought I was on another
channel
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2553 [16:45:40] <dTal> linux has a distinct advantage of its
primary interface being text, which makes it a hell of a lot easier
to support over the phone
2554 [16:45:41] <teraflops> dTal: not regarding what I said to you
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2612 [17:10:13] <Iridos> hm, is there a library for LD_PRELOAD
hacks? I see *some* stuff in debian, but… rather arbitrary
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2620 [17:16:00] <Habitual> Skype users sometimes use that for
Hardware-smth as a c-line parameter.
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2643 [17:25:33] <Habitual> OK. What does "debianized source
code" mean exactly? Summary would be great. Thanks for your
time.
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2646 [17:28:31] <Habitual> Chapter 6 in the handbook sorta answers
it, I guess?
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2648 [17:30:08] <Habitual> 5.
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2656 [17:32:55] <petn-randall> Habitual: It's upstream source
code + a folder debian/ which contains bits to make
dpkg-buildpackage work, which in turn builds the actual debian
package in the end.
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2659 [17:33:21] <Habitual> for buidd type processing?
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2661 [17:33:26] <Habitual> buldd
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2663 [17:33:39] <Habitual> buildd (I kan sphell)
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2668 [17:34:00] <Habitual> thanks petn-randall
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2688 [17:40:02] <petn-randall> Habitual: Or building yourself.
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2714 [17:48:52] <chomwitt> !available
2715 [17:48:52] <dpkg> If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or
generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc),
"apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available &&
dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively,
you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
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2718 [17:49:50] <chomwitt> what packages are called
'available' ? i mean dpkg has to do only with installed
packages rigth?
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2725 [17:52:12] <DuckZ> can some brave folk help me build libdwarf
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2726 [17:52:28] <DuckZ> ops wrong channel
2727 [17:52:37] <DuckZ> still, if anybody's got a clue
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2783 [18:16:09] <sine0> does scp support resume ?
2784 [18:17:14] <jelly> not really, use rsync if you need it
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2789 [18:18:48] <sine0> does rsync use checking and resending
packets etc?
2790 [18:19:03] <sine0> country internet with a 400mb upload
2791 [18:19:35] <sine0> rsync sounds like scp's big brother i
should just use rsync and forget scp
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2793 [18:20:05] <petn-randall> sine0: That resending packets is
something your TCP stack takes care of, rsync doesn't need to
know anything about that.
2794 [18:20:07] <Papillon> afaik rsync mirrors directories and
stuff
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2798 [18:21:35] <sine0> with poor internet i have gotten to really
appreciate grabbing things that have a torrent mirror, ditros etc.
with rsync will it be similar
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2801 [18:22:11] <sine0> petn-randall: I guess if it fails I can
resume it with rsync
2802 [18:22:26] <sine0> md5 if after. just would be a bitch if
there was corruption
2803 [18:22:42] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync supports that, yes.
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2805 [18:24:41] <jelly> Papillon: if you tell it to.
2806 [18:24:50] <loredannn> re all
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2811 [18:25:55] <jelly> sine0: if you have a partial file on
destination, rsync will checksum the piece that is present and
continue transferring just the rest
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2813 [18:26:31] <jelly> sine0: it will use a temporary new copy by
default so you need enough free space
2814 [18:27:18] <sine0> jelly: so it will redownload the allready
present data ?
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2817 [18:27:51] <jelly> sine0: that's precisely what it
WON'T do
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2821 [18:28:23] <sine0> ok thanks. rsync sounds great, is it a
more bells and whistle version of scp
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2831 [18:29:38] <jelly> scp is a crappy, buggy version of cp with
some ssh support.
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2834 [18:30:13] <petn-randall> sine0: rsync will always trade
bandwidth for extra computation where it can. So if there's a
(shorter) version of a file at the destination, it'll checksum
chunks of it and compare it with the equivalent part on the other
side.
2835 [18:30:25] <jelly> sine0: sftp is better, rsync is much more
versatile but you need to have it installed on both ends.
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2840 [18:32:13] <bubbely> hi. im trying to install debian and i
skipped the part where it told me i need an external wifi driver...
so i forgot what driver i need, its an asus x205t and im trying to
find the right driver and how to install it . help ?
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2843 [18:32:51] <bubbely> hm i found it
2844 [18:32:57] <abff> nice
2845 [18:33:02] <petn-randall> bubbely: Glad we could help ;)
2846 [18:33:09] <bubbely> =]
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2848 [18:33:28] <bubbely> so, do i need to add another usb stick
and copy the driver from a shell ?
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2850 [18:34:26] <jelly> probably not the driver but just the
firmware?
2851 [18:34:43] <bubbely> the .bin ?
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2853 [18:34:54] <jelly> if the system has wired internet, use that
during installation
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2855 [18:35:27] <bubbely> doesnt
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2859 [18:36:20] <abff> bubbely: I just installed to the wireless
device, then used a usb like you said, you could use the same usb
since you're already done installation, just override the live
ISO and format it to a new partition
2860 [18:36:41] <bubbely> how to i transfer the .bin
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2863 [18:37:11] <jelly> bubbely: do you remember which
driver/firmware precisely it is?
2864 [18:37:19] <bubbely> yea fw_bcm43341.bin
2865 [18:37:26] <bubbely> i put it on my usb stick and plugged it
in
2866 [18:37:42] <bubbely> do i also need the .mk file ?
2867 [18:37:48] <jelly> probably not
2868 [18:37:50] <bubbely> k
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2872 [18:38:09] <jelly> I don't remember how that part of
installer works
2873 [18:38:35] <bubbely> abff: can u tell me how to trasnfer the
.bin from the installer main meun
2874 [18:38:56] <abff> I can't be sure exactly where it goes,
probably somewhere in /lib/firmware
2875 [18:39:34] <bubbely> oh
2876 [18:39:37] <bubbely> .../lib/firmware/brcm/
2877 [18:39:49] <bubbely> how do i access my usb drive from shell?
2878 [18:39:57] <abff> !mount
2879 [18:39:58] <dpkg> methinks mount is a command used to mount a
device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also
<reference>, <fstab>.
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2882 [18:40:39] <bubbely> how do i know which folder to mount
2883 [18:40:47] <bubbely> nm
2884 [18:41:23] <abff> :)
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2895 [18:45:52] <bubbely> ok so i copied the .bin
2896 [18:46:05] <bubbely> now, how do i get the install to use the
driver?
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2899 [18:46:15] <abff> you should probably just be able to reboot
2900 [18:46:25] <Quatroking> Hi, I just did a fresh install of
debian and I'm getting the error "Unable to correct
problems, you have held broken packages" when I try to install
mysql-server-5.5
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2902 [18:46:56] <bubbely> i need a network connection to finish
the install
2903 [18:46:58] <Quatroking> all I've changed so far is
installing sudo and adding my user to the sudoers list
2904 [18:47:01] <bubbely> ...i tink
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2916 [18:49:44] <bubbely> are speakers devices such as
/dev/speaker1
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2922 [18:51:40] <abff> why do you ask? it can get pretty
complicated with alsa and pulseaudio on top
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2925 [18:54:19] <abff> !audio
2926 [18:54:20] <dpkg> Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa
checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
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2932 [18:56:04] <bubbely> abff: im trying to do some bluetooth
speaker work
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2936 [18:56:17] <Iridos> bubbely, primarily from alsa /dev/snd/*
… pulse goes on top (and they are often blocking, so only one
process can have them open)
2937 [18:56:20] <bubbely> abff: wondering if that's an easy
way to play audio out of a speaker
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2939 [18:57:06] <abff> Quatroking trying doing a apt update
2940 [18:57:19] <Quatroking> I did, it didn't have effect
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2942 [18:57:32] <Quatroking> I've also tried apt clean but
that's not doing anything either
2943 [18:57:37] <Quatroking> same with autoremove
2944 [18:57:49] <abff> what does
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2948 [18:58:12] <die7> bubbely: bt speaker need addtiona setup a)
first pair it with system, 2) install addtional packages for pulse ,
3) restart pulseaudio and chose speaker as default output
2949 [18:58:22] <abff> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
2950 [18:58:22] * dpkg selects abff's pr0n collection
2951 [18:58:27] <Quatroking> abff, nothing that I could find on
the internet, really
2952 [18:58:35] <Quatroking> lemme try that
2953 [18:58:52] <Quatroking> that didn't return anything
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2955 [18:59:06] <die7> bubbely:
replaced-url
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2957 [18:59:53] <bubbely> die7: more than one speaker at a time
possible ? ( i can do it on windows, look:
replaced-url
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2961 [19:00:47] <die7> bubbely: not sure with more as one bt
speaker but you can try
2962 [19:01:40] <abff> Quatroking okay then I think there maybe a
package that is conflicting with mysql?
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2964 [19:02:05] <bubbely> gotta take this a step back first (dont
even have debian installed yet) cp
/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/nvram-74b00bd9-805a-4d61-b51f-43268123d113
/lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.txt <- returns the msg
cannot create regular file
2965 [19:02:12] <bubbely> this seems to be the last step to
installing my wifi .bin
2966 [19:02:17] <Iridos> Quatroking, when do you get that error?
2967 [19:02:24] <linuxthefish> if i want to upgrade from wheezy to
unstable, should i upgrade to jessie first or go straight to
unstable?
2968 [19:02:40] <abff> One thing I read suggested that you use
`sudo aptitude -f install mysql-server5.5` and see what it says,
since aptitude can be a lot more verbose
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2970 [19:03:13] <Iridos> linuxthefish, you cannot skip stable
releases
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2972 [19:03:45] <linuxthefish> cannot skip ?
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2975 [19:04:38] <Iridos> you have to go
wheezy->jessie->stretch (or, as may be unstable in this case)
2976 [19:05:02] <linuxthefish> ah ok, thanks a lot Iridos !
2977 [19:05:45] <Iridos> at some point it's much easier to
clone the package list and reinstall… also if you upgrade,
read release notes for jessie …
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2980 [19:05:49] <Iridos> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
2981 [19:05:49] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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2983 [19:06:45] <Quatroking> just a moment, abff, Iridos,
phonecall
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2993 [19:09:01] <bubbely>
replaced-url
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2996 [19:09:18] <Quatroking> abff, Iridos: I get the error when
trying to install the package,
replaced-url
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3000 [19:10:49] <Quatroking> it's not just mysql-server
apparently because php5 is giving the exact same error
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3003 [19:11:35] <JPT> Quatroking: apt-get install mysql-server-5.5
:)
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3006 [19:12:12] <JPT> Quatroking: Not sure if that's all,
i'm confused by that broken packages part :|
3007 [19:12:27] <Quatroking> Same error but with more dependencies
listed
3008 [19:12:49] <abff> Yeah it kind of seems like the virtual
package mysql-server gets confused because mysql-server5.5
isn't there
3009 [19:13:00] <Quatroking>
replaced-url
3010 [19:13:20] <Iridos> judd, versions mysql-server
3011 [19:13:21] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.54-0+deb7u2; jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.7.17-1
3012 [19:14:08] <bubbely> can someone help me get wifi working on
debian
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3018 [19:14:49] <Quatroking> you know what, I'm going to turn
it off and on again, see if that does some magic
3019 [19:14:52] <Iridos> Quatroking, can you pastebin the output
of tail -n99 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
3020 [19:15:03] <Quatroking> sure, just a moment
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3024 [19:15:54] <bubbely> modprobe is not a command found ?
3025 [19:16:16] <greycat> If you're not root, it may not be
in your PATH.
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3027 [19:16:23] <chomwitt> so /var/lib/dpkg/available is not build
from dpkg ? is that right?
3028 [19:16:27] <abff> bubbely that's a protected bin, you
gotta be root
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3030 [19:16:31] <Quatroking> Iridos,
replaced-url
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3033 [19:17:57] <Iridos> Quatroking, you're missing the main
repository for debian that has most of the software… probably
comes from having the CD image as a source for that, then commenting
it
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3036 [19:18:16] <Quatroking> Right
3037 [19:18:27] <Iridos> Quatroking, add "deb
replaced-url
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3040 [19:19:02] <Quatroking> ooooooh i see now
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3043 [19:19:43] <Quatroking> boom, that did it
3044 [19:19:44] <Quatroking> thanks
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3046 [19:21:35] <Iridos> (you can also add the same line with
deb-src … which is only relevant at all if you (re-)build
packages from source)
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3049 [19:22:01] <Quatroking> I don't plan on doing that, this
is just a simple VM I want to run on my server
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3051 [19:22:24] <Iridos> it's just more consistent with your
other entries
3052 [19:22:29] <Quatroking> figured it'd be a good
development setup for a website that I plan to roll out later
3053 [19:22:33] <abff> bubbely whats your wifi device?
3054 [19:22:55] <bubbely> brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.bni
3055 [19:23:09] <bubbely> iwlist scan = command not found
3056 [19:23:12] <abff> I mean the card
3057 [19:23:40] <Iridos> bubbely, I think you just copied over the
firmware… (didn't follow closely, but I wonder why you
didn't install the firmware package) … anyway… if
you also rebooted, check in dmesg if it was loaded
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3061 [19:24:37] <bubbely> Iridos: is it possible to install a .deb
from shell?
3062 [19:24:46] <greycat> Of course. dpkg -i foobar.deb
3063 [19:25:01] <bubbely> great
3064 [19:26:04] <bubbely> k i installed the firmware
3065 [19:26:19] <bubbely> iwlist is still command not found
3066 [19:26:31] <greycat> judd file bin/iwlist
3067 [19:26:34] <judd> Search for bin/iwlist in jessie/amd64:
wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist
3068 [19:26:46] <greycat> Make sure the wireless-tools package is
installed.
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3089 [19:31:23] <HD|Laptop> Hello all
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3091 [19:31:34] <darsie> How do I mount a USB drive as normal
user?
3092 [19:31:39] <HD|Laptop> I am trying to set up a Debian machine
as VLAN router, together with a wifi AP
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3094 [19:32:03] <HD|Laptop> got that VLAN stuff figured out as
well as dnsmasq dhcp... except one thing
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3096 [19:32:25] <HD|Laptop> For some reason I cannot specify
different dhcp-option lines per interface
3097 [19:32:31] <psychoticwarrior> sudo mount <mount point>
/mnt
3098 [19:32:40] <psychoticwarrior> pico /etc/sudoers
3099 [19:32:49] <darsie> psychicist__: by normal I meant not root.
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3101 [19:33:05] <darsie> psychoticwarrior:
3102 [19:33:08] <HD|Laptop> But
interface=eth1.16;dhcp-range=xxxxx;interface=eth1.17;dhcp-range=yyyyy;
works
3103 [19:33:13] <HD|Laptop> WHat am I doing wrong?
3104 [19:33:54] <darsie> So I can copy files to it without being
root.
3105 [19:34:07] <greycat> darsie: what kind of file system is on
the device? FAT-32?
3106 [19:34:13] <darsie> greycat: yes
3107 [19:34:22] <psychoticwarrior> yea or ntfs or ext3
3108 [19:34:24] <greycat> As root, mount -o uid=darsie
/dev/whatever /wherever
3109 [19:34:32] <darsie> thx
3110 [19:34:34] <psychoticwarrior> fdis -l
3111 [19:34:49] <psychoticwarrior> mount -rw -o remount /
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3113 [19:35:03] <psychoticwarrior> that works too to read write
for the whole filesystem
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3115 [19:35:12] <greycat> FAT file systems don't have native
ownership/permissions, so the kernel presents a fake owner when
mounting one of those. -o uid=___ lets you control who that fake
owner is.
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3118 [19:35:30] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3121 [19:37:47] <bubbely> is there a way to install a bunch of
packages together? ie im trying to install cinammon without having
to sperately install python etc
3122 [19:38:04] <greycat> That's what apt-get is for.
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3126 [19:38:21] <greycat> E.g. "apt-get install xorg"
pulls in the X server, dozens of driver modules, libraries, etc.
3127 [19:38:24] <Iridos> you just do " apt-get install
cinnamon " or whatever… apt fetches all dependencies and
installs them for you
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3133 [19:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> bubbely: Sometimes there's a
"meta package" like cinnamon-desktop that will also
install packages that are nice to have with the target but not
dependent.
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3143 [19:44:17] <Orbstheorem> Hello, does anybody know about a
webdav client for the terminal?
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3152 [19:47:20] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, webdav client? I use davfs
file system which lets me mount webdav entities as normal.
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3155 [19:50:42] <eternal-pain> hey all. i have a question
regarding stretch
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3160 [19:51:55] <eternal-pain> as of today, virtualbox and
virtualbox-guest-additions are note available in stretch main,
contrib or non-free. in jessie it is at least included in contrib.
will it be included as stretch will be released as the next stable?
i found nothing about it on the wiki.
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3163 [19:52:31] <missmbob> eternal-pain:
replaced-url
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3168 [19:53:10] <eternal-pain> ok. is it adviseable to add the
oracle repository as it is not maintained by the debian or
debian-security team?
3169 [19:53:14] <eternal-pain> i mean on critical systems
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3171 [19:53:25] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
3172 [19:53:26] <psychoticwarrior> *
3173 [19:53:30] <missmbob> eternal-pain: yes
3174 [19:53:31] <psychoticwarrior> fdisk -l
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3176 [19:53:46] <psychoticwarrior> how much pain do u feel
*eternal-pain
3177 [19:53:53] <eternal-pain> alright, thank you missmbob
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3182 [19:54:34] <eternal-pain> psychoticwarrior, some in the head,
some on the abs... ^^
3183 [19:54:55] <psychoticwarrior> ok
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3185 [19:55:36] <eternal-pain> i used to do muay thai, but now
i'm only doing free sparring now and then, my main sport has
become powerlifting
3186 [19:55:44] <eternal-pain> so, less pain since january
3187 [19:55:51] <psychoticwarrior> nice
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3193 [19:56:23] <eternal-pain> after ober 2 years of doing both, i
found out it doesn't complement each other much
3194 [19:56:26] <eternal-pain> *over
3195 [19:56:42] <psychoticwarrior> yea sounds good
3196 [19:56:49] <psychoticwarrior> i used to be in tae kwon do
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3198 [19:56:56] <psychoticwarrior> deputy black belt
3199 [19:57:11] <missmbob> !chat
3200 [19:57:11] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or
##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3201 [19:57:16] <eternal-pain> also a nice sport, i had a test
training once
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3203 [19:57:35] <eternal-pain> i looked into various combat sports
before deciding to stick with muay thai
3204 [19:57:48] <psychoticwarrior> nice
3205 [19:57:49] <psychoticwarrior> thats good
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3208 [19:57:55] <psychoticwarrior> im trying to get into krav maga
3209 [19:57:57] <missmbob> !ot
3210 [19:57:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
3211 [19:58:00] <missmbob> please stay on topic
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3213 [19:58:05] <missmbob> go to #debian-offtopic
3214 [19:58:19] <BluesKaj> heh, i used to ski, not exactly a
combat sport but now my knees are suffering big time
3215 [19:58:36] <Orbstheorem> JohnA: I'm using radicale with
postgresql
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3218 [19:58:57] <Orbstheorem> I could connect to the db, but not
specially handy
3219 [19:59:17] <Orbstheorem> I'd like something like a
calendar that can connect to webdav
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3227 [20:01:57] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, is only a calendar(caldav) +
contacts(carddav) server which is run on the server to provide those
services. WebDAV is a file access system used to provide cloud like
file service. the two are not the same thig.
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3231 [20:02:19] <Orbstheorem> oh
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3233 [20:02:21] <Orbstheorem> my bad
3234 [20:02:25] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, : is -> radical is
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3237 [20:02:32] <Orbstheorem> yeah
3238 [20:03:04] <SamSagaZ> hey guys, i want to install just one
beta version of a package, someone know how can i do that? i want to
install roundcube 1.2.2 and have installed 1.5.5
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3240 [20:03:14] <greycat> ,v roundcube
3241 [20:03:15] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u6; jessie-backports:
1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3
3242 [20:03:27] <greycat> how what
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3246 [20:03:50] <SamSagaZ> want to install 1.2.3 then :)
3247 [20:03:56] <greycat> Run Debian.
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3250 [20:04:15] <SamSagaZ> can i just allow sid on ONLY this
package?
3251 [20:04:20] <Iridos> judd, checkbackport roundcube
--fromrelease sid
3252 [20:04:21] <judd> Backporting package roundcube in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
3253 [20:04:22] <greycat> Was 1.5.5 a typo or something?
3254 [20:04:27] <SamSagaZ> or need to change to sid my release?
3255 [20:04:29] <SamSagaZ> ah, ok
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3258 [20:04:36] <missmbob> !tell SamSagaZ -about ssb
3259 [20:04:37] <jelly> it's a php app, don't expect
debian to be able to keep up with its monthly security holes
3260 [20:04:42] <greycat> Why are you going DOWN from 1.5.5 to
1.2.3?
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3262 [20:05:07] <jelly> 1.5.5 does not exist, it has to have been
a typo
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3264 [20:05:18] <JohnA> If you want all three in one package take
alook at some thin like owncloud.
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3268 [20:06:02] <SamSagaZ> oh sorry, i have installed Version:
1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4
3269 [20:06:07] <Orbstheorem> not a fan of php :(
3270 [20:06:11] <SamSagaZ> and want to install 1.2.3
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3272 [20:06:21] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: use the ssb method the bot
/msg'd you about
3273 [20:06:22] <greycat> Backport it.
3274 [20:06:23] <Orbstheorem> I don't need webdav, just
caldav and carddav :)
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3278 [20:06:52] <Orbstheorem> but I'd like to connect via cli
to caldav :)
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3280 [20:07:09] <SamSagaZ> thanks
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3288 [20:08:42] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, then use radical/davical/...
on your server If I remember correctly they are both written in PHP.
The are some others out there use google.
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3291 [20:09:15] <jelly> SamSagaZ: (also, do NOT enable sid or
stretch deb (binary) repos, that's an easy, sure way to wreck
your OS installation.)
3292 [20:09:21] <Orbstheorem> radicale is written in python :)
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3297 [20:11:01] <JohnA> Orbstheorem, Sorry, I thought it was PHP.
I use davical and have for some time it works well and is fairly
well documented and reasonably easy to install.
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3323 [20:23:59] <Orbstheorem> nvm :)
3324 [20:24:13] <Orbstheorem> btw, does anybody know why aptitude
can become slow?
3325 [20:24:59] <Orbstheorem> aptitude install paquet-lamda takes
about about 8 minutes to complete while apt-get install paquet-lamda
takes 1 minute
3326 [20:25:03] <nkuttler> because it uses lots of resources
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3329 [20:25:19] <Orbstheorem> well, there's ram and cpu power
available
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3331 [20:25:43] <nkuttler> not enough, apparently?
3332 [20:25:44] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how much ram is there?
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3334 [20:25:57] <Orbstheorem> 1G
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3337 [20:26:08] <Orbstheorem> well, 900M free
3338 [20:26:10] <jelly> Orbstheorem: which debian release is this?
Do you have X running at the same time?
3339 [20:26:22] <Orbstheorem> sid
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3341 [20:26:39] <jelly> Orbstheorem: how did you install it
3342 [20:26:52] <Orbstheorem> I have postgresql running at the
same time, but it's not being used
3343 [20:27:07] <Orbstheorem> debootstrap [...] sid
3344 [20:27:08] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname
-a" say
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3348 [20:28:41] <jelly> Orbstheorem: if it's a container or
VM the performance may vary wildly depending on what else is running
on the host
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3350 [20:29:04] <jelly> ,v paquet-lamda
3351 [20:29:05] <judd> No package named 'paquet-lamda'
was found in amd64.
3352 [20:29:20] <jelly> Orbstheorem: where does that package come
from? paquet-lamda
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3355 [20:30:00] <Orbstheorem> ah, python-psycopg2
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3359 [20:30:14] <Orbstheorem> from the debian repository
3360 [20:30:19] <Orbstheorem> jelly: ^^
3361 [20:30:48] <jelly> Orbstheorem: also, what does "uname
-a" say? Are you running this on a physical system, or inside a
container or a VM?
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3384 [20:35:35] <Orbstheorem> vm
3385 [20:36:01] <Orbstheorem> Linux Triglav-1v3 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 4.9.13-1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3386 [20:36:26] <jelly> Orbstheorem: hard to say really, maybe
there are clues in aptitude's output vs. apt-get's output.
Can you pastebin the exact command lines and full outputs?
3387 [20:36:33] <jelly> nice hostname.
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3389 [20:36:54] <Orbstheorem> ^^
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3397 [20:38:47] <Orbstheorem> I can try to reinstall the package
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3399 [20:39:29] <jelly> it's too late now, because the
dependencies are already there
3400 [20:40:16] <SamSagaZ> how can i know which packages are
listed on backport?
3401 [20:40:24] <jelly> Orbstheorem: in any case, if you wish to
pursue this further, ask in
3402 [20:40:27] <jelly> !debian-next
3403 [20:40:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3407 [20:40:59] <SamSagaZ> oh, backport just have 1.1.5 :/
3408 [20:41:03] <jelly> SamSagaZ:
replaced-url
3409 [20:41:07] <Orbstheorem> jelly: alright, thanks, I'll
try to record the behavior next time it happens
3410 [20:41:12] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: that's why we told you
to use ssb
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3412 [20:41:33] <jelly> SamSagaZ: also, /msg judd versions
roundcube
3413 [20:41:45] <SamSagaZ> i see, mmm dont know if can do that
then.. its a production box
3414 [20:42:18] <SamSagaZ> never installed an not stable version
of any package
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3417 [20:42:39] <SamSagaZ> but getting errors with roundcube,
maybe will be better to install from src
3418 [20:42:40] <missmbob> SamSagaZ: it's making your own
backport. you're not installing a sid binary
3419 [20:42:44] <jelly> SamSagaZ: you don't want to blindly
go from 1.1.x to 1.2.x without trying it out in a test environment
first
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3421 [20:43:08] <SamSagaZ> jelly, is not working on my production
box
3422 [20:43:09] <jelly> in any case, both 1.1.5 and 1.2.3 are too
old
3423 [20:43:14] <SamSagaZ> ok
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3426 [20:43:41] <SamSagaZ> will install latest from src
3427 [20:43:44] <SamSagaZ> thanks guys
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3429 [20:44:06] <jelly> install and set up from sources in a
different place, and subscribe to upstream's announce list
3430 [20:44:27] <jelly>
replaced-url
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3436 [20:49:14] <TomTomTosch> i plan to install jessie on a few
dozen devices. they already have an ancient mint install which i
plan to delete and a windows partition, which i don't want to
touch. one install i did manually, the rest i would like to automate
as much as possible. would preseeding be the way to go, would i have
to handle the partitioning manually and can i extract the preseed
options from the install i already finished?
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3440 [20:51:38] <andmizyk> heloo, i registered on docker hub, but
i have not received email, to confirm the account. where can i go
for help
3441 [20:52:31] <jim> someone might want to do something about
this: archive.debian.net uses an invalid security certificate. The
certificate expired on 02/18/2017 08:25 PM.
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3443 [20:52:57] <SamSagaZ> wich other webclient like squirrelmail,
roundcube exist?
3444 [20:52:59] <jelly> SamSagaZ: actually, no, my bad, the
version in sid and stretch has the security fixes present in
upstream 1.2.4, so if you want to go the ssb route it's an
option
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3446 [20:53:20] <SamSagaZ> maybe wil try squirrelmail then
3447 [20:53:25] <jim> andmizyk, spam folder?
3448 [20:53:30] <jelly> and so does 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4
3449 [20:54:01] <jelly> jim: what's archive.debian.net?
3450 [20:54:07] <jelly> !archive
3451 [20:54:07] <dpkg> hmm... archive is a collection of files.
'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving
tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate
operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
replaced-url
3452 [20:54:12] <jelly> argh.
3453 [20:54:24] <jim> that
3454 [20:54:32] <jelly> jim: archive.debian.org is something that
exists
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3457 [20:55:29] <jelly> jim: did you find a link to
archive.debian.net somewhere, or was it a typo? What's the
exact URL you used?
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3459 [20:56:16] <jim> just the top level of the site
3460 [20:57:07] <jim> the link was in my browser already for some
reason (that is, when I started typing it, it autocompleted to that)
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3465 [20:58:01] <jelly> jim: stuff under debian.net is not (yet)
official resource; this includes test or experimental services or
similar
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3467 [20:58:26] <jim> I originally thought archive.debian.org, but
when it completed to .net, I just tried the link and got that error
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3472 [20:58:55] <jim> thanks for clarifying
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3474 [21:00:02] <jelly> I'd say contact the person it says to
contact, on the web page
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3502 [21:10:56] <tdn> What is best: RAID --> LVM --> LUKS
--> ext4 or RAID --> LUKS --> LVM --> ext4 ? And why?
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3506 [21:11:38] <rudi_s> tdn: There's also LUKS --> RAID
...
3507 [21:12:12] <tdn> rudi_s, yes, I guess there are any
permutations of the first three, but what are pros and cons for
each? Is there a best practice for this?
3508 [21:12:19] <rudi_s> The advantage of --> LUKS --> LVM
is that everything is encrypted and you can simply use the LVM
volumes.
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3510 [21:12:41] <rudi_s> Otherwise you need multiple keys, one for
each lvm volume.
3511 [21:13:48] <rudi_s> An advantage of LUKS --> LVM is that
potential LVM snapshots (or volumes) are encrypted and can be
separately backuped.
3512 [21:14:35] <rudi_s> Personally I use RAID --> LUKS -->
LVM -->
3513 [21:15:14] <blackflow> LUKS --> ZFS --> (FTW) :)
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3516 [21:15:34] <rudi_s> Simplest solution and everything is
encrypted.
3517 [21:15:40] <rainfyre> #kali-linux
3518 [21:15:40] <tdn> rudi_s, I think I most like the first one:
RAID --> LVM --> LUKS --> ext4. This is due to three
things: 1) I think this looks most like what default debian
installer does on guided partitioning+set up encrypted lvm. 2) I
might want to only have one big LV with LUKS and another with
non-encrypted data.
3519 [21:15:43] <rudi_s> Well, on Linux.
3520 [21:15:47] <rudi_s> *ZFS on linux ..
3521 [21:15:56] <rainfyre> oi. forgot the /j. morning Debian peeps
3522 [21:15:58] <tdn> blackflow, ZFS is not available for Debian?
3523 [21:16:05] <rudi_s> tdn: No, the installer does luks -->
lvm
3524 [21:16:05] <blackflow> tdn: it is
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3526 [21:16:19] <rudi_s> tdn: Not really, it's a port of zfs.
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3528 [21:16:39] <tdn> rudi_s, sounds experimental... Safe for
storing data?
3529 [21:16:45] <blackflow> tdn: yea
3530 [21:16:46] <tdn> That I care about
3531 [21:16:47] <rudi_s> tdn: IMO, no.
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3534 [21:17:59] <tdn> rudi_s, do your RAID -> LUKS -> LVM
solution support TRIM? (or is this not SSD?)
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3536 [21:18:13] <blackflow> tdn: ZFS on Linux is declared stable
and production ready. I've been using it in production for over
a year on Debian and Ubuntu servers.
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3542 [21:18:54] <tdn> blackflow, is this zfs-fuse?
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3544 [21:19:01] <blackflow> tdn: nope, DKMS
3545 [21:19:14] <rudi_s> But I have pessimistic views on file
systems and stability. I don't trust "newer" systems.
3546 [21:19:18] <rudi_s> tdn: Yes.
3547 [21:19:21] <tdn> rudi_s, I agree
3548 [21:19:23] <rudi_s> *trim is supported.
3549 [21:19:29] <tdn> rudi_s, ok.
3550 [21:19:54] <tdn> rudi_s, what did you have to do in order to
make trim work?
3551 [21:19:57] <blackflow> at any rate far more stable than btrfs
3552 [21:20:12] <rudi_s> Well, that's not really an argument
;-)
3553 [21:20:13] <blackflow> tdn: for more info,
replaced-url
3554 [21:20:20] <tdn> rudi_s, I did an installation without RAID.
Just LUKS/LVM as the installer does with guided partitioning. After
this, trim did not work.
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3556 [21:20:52] <rudi_s> tdn: For LVM, RAID nothing, for LUKS add
discard in /etc/crypttab (e.g. none luks,discard)
3557 [21:21:17] <tdn> blackflow, sounds tempting, but does not
really seem to be included in debian. Some third party module is not
really what I want for a filesystem with my most important data.
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3559 [21:21:31] <tdn> blackflow, although I really DO like what I
read about ZFS. I sounds like a great fs.
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3561 [21:21:45] <tdn> blackflow, I would have loved it if SUN
GPL'ed it back in the day.
3562 [21:21:53] <rudi_s> tdn: It's in debian, zfs-dkms
3563 [21:22:06] <rudi_s> But I don't know how well tested
that really is.
3564 [21:22:09] <tdn> Then it would probably be widespread in use
on Linux today and I would trust it
3565 [21:22:18] <tdn> rudi_s, I am going for ext4 :)
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3567 [21:22:28] <missmbob> i wouldnt trust it in production
either.
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3569 [21:22:37] <bubbely> whats the fastest command line WiFi tool
to install.. nmcli, wpa these all have so many dependencies
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3572 [21:23:15] <rudi_s> tdn: ;-) Me too.
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3574 [21:24:44] <jelly> bubbely: all of them will install
wpasupplicant, that's the underlying one all depend on so
it's not going to be less than that in any case
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3577 [21:25:16] <bubbely> is there like. a super package that
install all of it plus depencies
3578 [21:25:18] <blackflow> well, like with any other important
data, you should have back ups. after all, it was ext4, the so well
known and much used fs on Linux, that last year (or was it 2015?)
had a data corruption bug...
3579 [21:26:13] <blackflow> and I think given the
"issues" with the license, unless people give it a chance,
there won't be any widespread use by itself. pity, it's a
great fs.
3580 [21:26:18] <jelly> blackflow: which kernel version(s) had
that bug
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3583 [21:26:58] <hicks_> btrfs had a pretty fundemental issue when
used with raid too
3584 [21:26:59] <blackflow> jelly: had to look it up, it was 4.0,
raid corruption
3585 [21:27:23] <blackflow>
replaced-url
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3587 [21:27:40] <jelly> good thing that was not present in any
debian release
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3592 [21:28:29] <blackflow> irrelevant. the point is that a well
known and trusted filesystem had such an issue. meaning, if you
value your data, have proper backups, regardless of FS and give ZFS
a chance :)
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3595 [21:29:15] <bubbely> anyone ?
3596 [21:29:18] <jelly> blackflow: that not irrelevant at all. A
typical user will use a distro kernel, not latest vanilla kernels.
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3600 [21:30:26] <blackflow> jelly: but that doesn't
invalidate my point
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3602 [21:30:52] <jelly> it invalidates the supporting example.
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3606 [21:32:04] <jelly> (find a better example, I agree with
"you should have backups", but not because of some ext4
scare)
3607 [21:32:18] <blackflow> jelly: so you're saying that ext4
has a 100% corruption free track record for the past, say, 10 years,
because Debian never used the kernel version that contained any such
bugs?
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3609 [21:32:45] <hicks_> lets just go with, if you're using
software, software can have bugs, therefore make backups. :)
3610 [21:32:52] <jelly> yes.
3611 [21:33:14] <greycat> Always make backups.
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3613 [21:33:58] <jelly> in fact, don't make backups, backups
are useless. Always make sure you're able to do restores!
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3619 [21:36:13] <jelly> bubbely: not sure what you're looking
for. apt-get install foo will install foo and all its dependencies
(and recommendations by default)
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3624 [21:37:37] <jelly> !foo
3625 [21:37:37] <dpkg> i heard foo is the probably first
<metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some
other term. See
replaced-url
3626 [21:38:36] <bubbely> jelly: no wifi connection yet tho
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3631 [21:40:19] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello, I'd need an info
about downloading the CD image for Debian live. I have followed the
links from debian.org and eventually found
replaced-url
3632 [21:40:20] <Enrico_Menotti> particular, zsync? Do I need to
download them?
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3634 [21:40:51] <jelly> bubbely: wpasupplicant requires manual
configuration
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3636 [21:41:15] <jelly> that's why a casual user doesn't
use it directly
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3638 [21:42:22] <jelly> bubbely: there are some examples in
"zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz" if
you're used to configuring network via /etc/network/interfaces
3639 [21:42:43] <jelly> otherwise, dunno, use something like wicd
or nmcli
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3649 [21:44:04] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: short answer, you
don't need to download those smaller files
3650 [21:44:21] <earendel> hi. vi tells me i have several swap
versions of a file and offers to recover. is there a quick way to
delete all via shell?
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3653 [21:44:46] <greycat> Sounds like #vim
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3655 [21:44:52] <earendel> or vim
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3657 [21:45:13] <earendel> *pet
3658 [21:45:17] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ok, just the .iso then. I
put it on a CD and that's it, right?
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3662 [21:46:02] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: you burn a cd or write it
to a usb stick
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3665 [21:46:16] <demo> hello
3666 [21:46:24] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: note that it doesn't
support UEFI-booting systems yet
3667 [21:46:31] <demo> howare you?
3668 [21:46:49] <demo> can i ask youguys a wuestion
3669 [21:46:59] <demo> question* sorry
3670 [21:47:03] <jelly> !ask
3671 [21:47:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
3672 [21:47:06] <missmbob> Enrico_Menotti: you might want to get
the iso with nonfree firmware included if you need that
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3675 [21:47:39] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Yes, right. Thank you for
the quick reply.
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3678 [21:48:26] <Enrico_Menotti> missmbob I don't think I
need firmware - I just want to boot a live Debian distribution on a
computer on which Windows is currently installed.
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3683 [21:48:56] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: if said computer has a
wireless internet connection, you most likely need some firmware
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3685 [21:48:59] <greycat> Rule of thumb, if you want to use a
wireless network, you need non-free firmware.
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3689 [21:49:30] <jelly> on windows, to make a bootable usb stick,
you'd use
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3691 [21:49:34] <jelly> !win32diskimager
3692 [21:49:34] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
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3694 [21:50:05] <demo> hi have a laptop with windows 7 and i am
trying to connect it to the internet so i can download an iso of
linux
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3696 [21:50:18] <demo> but i cannot connect to the internet
3697 [21:50:27] <greycat> And yet, here you are.
3698 [21:50:31] <demo> the modem seams to be fine
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3700 [21:50:47] <demo> i know this is a debian place and not
windows
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3702 [21:51:06] <demo> but i am desperate
3703 [21:51:18] <greycat> "/join ##windows"
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3705 [21:51:39] <demo> is there a channel here in freenode?
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3707 [21:52:24] <demo> got it
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3709 [21:52:32] <demo> sorry for the inconvinient
3710 [21:52:39] <demo> thank you
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3712 [21:52:48] <tdn> rudi_s, would it be possible to set up
RAID1/LUKS/LVM during installation if I only have the one disk at
install time? Then add the next disk later?
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3714 [21:53:15] <tdn> rudi_s, using the installer. Without having
to do a lot of manual hacks outside the installer?
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3717 [21:55:12] <teraflops> using dbootstrap for setups not
included in the installer is the best way imo.
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3719 [21:55:44] <tdn> teraflops, that might be an option
3720 [21:56:13] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly missmbob Ok, I will add a
few more details. Currently I am on a Mac. I'd download the
disk image and burn the CD from here. The CD is supposed to boot on
the said old laptop which has Windows on it. I'd use the system
to cross-debootstrap a Debian initrd to be booted on an old tablet.
It's an experiment I am doing.
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3725 [21:56:50] <Enrico_Menotti> I'd ask: is it possible to
download the Debian sources for debootstrap or do I need a network
connection on the computer where I will run Debian from the live CD?
3726 [21:57:07] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: if your mac has enough ram
you could fire up debian in a VM
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3729 [21:57:35] <jelly> you need a network connection on the linux
system debootstrap will run on
3730 [21:57:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Sure, I have also that option.
But I'd like to have both systems at hand.
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3732 [21:58:36] <jelly> no need to burn anything to antiquated
media with a VM!
3733 [21:58:37] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, a network connection, as it
has been said, requires some firmware. So should I find a different
disk image, including the firmware?
3734 [21:58:58] <jelly> !firmware images
3735 [21:58:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
3736 [21:59:01] <jelly> !firmware live
3737 [21:59:02] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing
non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for using Debian 8
"jessie" as a live OS are available under
replaced-url
3738 [21:59:11] <jelly> depending on your needs
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3744 [22:00:41] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, thanks a lot. I'd need
the i386 version, but at this point I think I may find it by myself.
3745 [22:00:50] <bubbely> can dpkg uninstall
3746 [22:00:57] <bubbely> or just install
3747 [22:01:12] <somiaj> bubbely: dpkg is the core package manager
that installs/uninstalls packages
3748 [22:01:13] <greycat> man dpkg
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3752 [22:01:35] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: if the livecd youre
using already has network connectivity youre fine.
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3754 [22:01:50] <rudi_s> tdn: I'm not sure, but debootstrap
sounds like a good option. Or you do it in another TTY after the
installer loaded the partitioner.
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3756 [22:03:01] <teraflops> Enrico_Menotti: you can use whatever
you want, you only need binutils debian-keyring and deboostrap. I
use archiso for doing it
3757 [22:03:26] <tdn> rudi_s, I just remembered, that I have 5
disks in the system: 4 data disks that should be set up with this
RAID/LVM/LUKS combo and then a 5th disk with the system on. So I
guess I will just install everything on the 5th disk first and then
manually create the RAID array, etc. on the disks later. After
installation.
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3759 [22:03:52] <tdn> But I should still be able to create the
array with only one disk, right? And then have it sync later? It has
been a while since I played with mdadm
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3761 [22:04:33] <rudi_s> tdn: With mdadm yes, just specify missing
as disk.
3762 [22:05:03] <Enrico_Menotti> teraflops Ok, thank you.
3763 [22:05:26] <rudi_s> tdn: But wouldn't it be better to
put the system also on a RAID so it continues to run when one disk
dies.
3764 [22:05:29] <rudi_s> ?
3765 [22:06:14] <teraflops> tdn: yeah
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3767 [22:07:04] <tdn> rudi_s, I guess. But I only have room for 4
3.5" HDDs and 1 2.5" SSD
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3769 [22:07:26] <tdn> rudi_s, and I figured I would like to have
system on SSD. But maybe it is not worth the trouble.
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3773 [22:08:29] <tdn> I actually have a working system with disks
set up with RAID, LUKS, etc. and OS installed on them in a different
server. (same architecture) Would I be able to just take the disks
from the other server and plug them into the new one and have Debian
boot up and working? Or would it be better to reinstall?
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3778 [22:08:51] <bubbely> init-system-helpers wont let file-rc
install and i need file-rc for wifi.. also, i cant uninstall
init-system-helpers because its necessary... help
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3782 [22:09:37] <jelly> !bat
3783 [22:09:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
3784 [22:09:58] <jelly> bubbely: ^^ read the above carefully and
pastebin all the info
3785 [22:10:06] <bubbely> i cannot pastebin from my laptop that
doens't have internet
3786 [22:10:12] <bubbely> im trying to setup my laptop
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3788 [22:11:05] <greycat> why are you screwing with the init
system?
3789 [22:11:07] <jelly> bubbely: if you have an extra usb stick,
you can write the outputs to files there, and upload to a pastebin
from a different machine. Or upload screenshots with a phone camera
if they're readable.
3790 [22:11:22] <bubbely> greycat: the debian i installed didnt
come with a windows manager
3791 [22:11:27] <bubbely> im gonna put cinammon on it soon...
3792 [22:11:46] <rudi_s> greycat: Ah, I see. - Should work just
fine.
3793 [22:11:52] <rudi_s> greycat: Sorry ..
3794 [22:11:54] <rudi_s> tdn: ^
3795 [22:11:57] <greycat> Installing X and a window manager does
not normally involve screwing with the init system at all.
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3798 [22:12:33] <jelly> bubbely: debian does not have
"file-rc" by default, something on your installation is
VERY unusual. Which image did you install this from?
3799 [22:12:36] <tdn> rudi_s, just moving the disks without
reinstalling anything would work?
3800 [22:12:39] <rudi_s> tdn: I see no reason why this
shouldn't work.
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3804 [22:14:00] <tdn> rudi_s, so what if I just move one disk of
the RAID-1 on the other server and leave one mirrored disk in the
old server. (powered off) Then boot up the new server and see if
everything works. Then power down new server and plug in the
remaining disk. And if it does NOT work in the new server, then
what? Is it safe to move it back to the old server?
3805 [22:14:07] <stupidnickname> hi
3806 [22:14:23] <jelly> bubbely: maybe it'd be easier to
reinstall from that installer image with firmware
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3808 [22:14:36] <tdn> rudi_s, I mean, in either case, one of the
servers will start up with an out of sync raid array. How does the
system "chose" which one of the disks are the correct one
to sync over to the other?
3809 [22:14:42] <tdn> rudi_s, or do I have to do that manually?
3810 [22:14:49] <jelly> bubbely: /msg dpkg firmware images
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3814 [22:16:57] <rudi_s> tdn: No. You can't put the new disk
back without nulling the mdadm header or it will sync with old disk
to the new state, potentially destroying the old sytem.
3815 [22:17:19] <rudi_s> AFAIK newest write. But I have to admit I
never tested that.
3816 [22:17:30] <tdn> rudi_s, ok.
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3822 [22:19:00] <toto_> Game on
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3834 [22:25:44] <bubbely> =)
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3836 [22:26:56] <bubbely> jelly: how can i record the output?
it's simple - initramfs-tools wont allow initscripts to install
because initramfs-tools is needed and for me to install
wpa_supplicant
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3838 [22:27:33] <greycat> You must be mixing releases or
something.
3839 [22:27:47] <greycat> Otherwise, nothing you say makes sense.
3840 [22:27:57] <tdn> rudi_s, but will a safe way to do this be
to: 1) Power down both servers; 2) take out one disk and plug it in
the NEW server. 3) Power up new server and see that everything works
or does not work. 4) Power down NEW server. 5) in a seperate
machine, do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M count=1 (or how big is
this header?) 6) Then plug the disk with zeroed header back in the
old server. As I understand, the o
3841 [22:28:03] <tdn> ld server will then start to mirror this
disk again?
3842 [22:28:31] <tdn> rudi_s, or maybe dd'ing zeros to the
entire device is not right. I should do this to the indivitual
partitions, right?
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3844 [22:29:46] <jelly> bubbely: run the commands inside
"script log.txt", that will open a new shell, run them,
then exit that shell and the log file will contain all the output
3845 [22:30:11] <jelly> bubbely: but yeah it sounds as if
you've mixed in packages from different debian releases
3846 [22:30:20] <greycat> (or non-Debian releases)
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3850 [22:31:14] <rudi_s> tdn: That would work (you may need to
repartition the disk). - But an easier solution is to put both disks
in the new server. In the worst case it won't boot, but it
shouldn't damage the disks.
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3852 [22:31:26] <rudi_s> And nothing (problematic) should change
on a normal boot anyway.
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3854 [22:31:41] <rudi_s> Of course you want to have backups of the
system (at least the system partitions).
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3856 [22:32:05] <tdn> rudi_s, so I would imagine a worst case
being that it DOES boot, but something changes during boot that
makes it not boot in the old server again
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3859 [22:32:37] <tdn> rudi_s, I do have backups, but this is
several TBs and backups are on USB disks, so it will take a while to
recover.
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3867 [22:34:16] <rudi_s> tdn: I can't think of anything which
could result in this scenario. - It could not boot if the disk names
(sda, sdb) change if you don't have UUIDs, but if you put it in
the original order back into the old system, they will be back to
the old values.
3868 [22:34:37] <tdn> rudi_s, ok
3869 [22:34:50] <tdn> rudi_s, I have almost decided to try it out
:)
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3871 [22:35:12] <tdn> rudi_s, however, it is going to be tomorrow.
It is late now. Thanks for the help.
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3884 [22:40:21] <bubbely> Unable to locate package for anything i
do that requires the internet and apt-get.. any ideas?
3885 [22:40:31] <bubbely> apt-upgrade worked..
3886 [22:41:09] <bubbely> nm
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3891 [22:43:59] <bolt> so my debian box, which I'm trying to
put into my dmz, has a link local ipv6 address. it also has a slaac
ipv6 address, and it makes more of them as temp addresses kind of
randomly. it also gets a dhcpv6 address. how can I make it prefer a
dhcpv6 address as source if it gets one? i want to make outgoing
firewall rules on the router, and i can't have it jumping
around to unpredictable addresses.
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3897 [22:46:21] <earendel> repl.sh </dev/null 2>&1
>logfile ..could u give me a quick kickstart for this arguments
here? i know a|b is writing a.stdout to b.stdin. and a>b writes
a.stdout to file b (>>appends to file) .. so whats the thougt
behind doing < /dev/null (if this can be seen only with the rest,
please say so) .. thx
3898 [22:46:43] <greycat> I'm almost 100% positive you want
>logfile 2>&1
3899 [22:47:02] <earendel> 2> is like a second out right?
3900 [22:47:05] <greycat> Unless this is part of some larger
compound command.
3901 [22:47:14] <earendel> but whats the rest?
3902 [22:47:14] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3904 [22:47:22] <earendel> thx
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3906 [22:47:25] <greycat>
replaced-url
3907 [22:47:27] <bolt> earendel: </dev/null basically closes
stdin. it makes it point to /dev/null, from which there's
nothing to read
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3911 [22:47:55] <earendel> ohh ok. would evtl. explain i cant
connect via socket to it maybe?
3912 [22:48:06] <bolt> probably not
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3915 [22:48:25] <bolt> though the program might refuse to run when
it can't read stdin, depending on what it's doing.
3916 [22:48:38] <bolt> ..in which case you wouldn't be able
to connect to it
3917 [22:48:52] <greycat> </dev/null doesn't *close*
stdin. It just means you get EOF immediately.
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3920 [22:49:08] <bolt> i said "basically" :)
3921 [22:49:10] <greycat> Useful if the thing would otherwise step
on your toes.
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3926 [22:50:46] <earendel> ok. fairy enuff. i will try to make
sense of it. short backbground: last time i was here this helped me
to disown a node process running a irc client. not sure why it was
so hard, to get it to run, but! somebody here in this channel like
directly know what to do: the result is that script call as seen
above
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3928 [22:51:10] <earendel> i will try to make it run without all
that shizzle first
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3930 [22:51:18] <earendel> thx so far
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3942 [22:55:32] <earendel> that 055 Faq is written by..satan?
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3944 [22:56:58] <earendel> foo >/dev/null 2>&1 #
produces no output
3945 [22:57:07] <earendel> awesome
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3947 [22:58:02] <earendel> foo 2>&1 >/dev/null # writes
output to screen
3948 [22:58:13] <earendel> if you still dont get it. go back to
windows.
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3953 [22:58:39] <greycat> Editors include redondos, greycat,
lhunath, ormaaj, and two non-logged-in.
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3955 [22:59:09] <earendel> great. have some credit ;)
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3960 [23:01:24] <earendel>
replaced-url
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3965 [23:03:09] <jelly> three cheers for non-logged-in!
3966 [23:03:22] <earendel> hail
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3981 [23:05:54] <earendel> is a 0> b THE SAME as a < b
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3984 [23:06:12] <Pepe>
replaced-url
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3989 [23:06:47] <bernhardr> When i clone my ssd drive to a bigger
ssd drive with for instance clonezilla.. will i need to edit fstab
to be able to boot from the bigger drive ? (afterwards i would like
to resize this drive).
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3991 [23:07:00] <earendel> wait a 0> b the same as b < a?
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3993 [23:07:49] <earendel> 1 for yes 0 for no. be lazy while
making new friends!
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3997 [23:08:16] <earendel> :(
3998 [23:08:46] <earendel> fuck. this takes too long. 2>&1
whats that &1 .. quickly
3999 [23:08:49] <missmbob> earendel: join #bash. this really isnt
the place
4000 [23:09:09] <earendel> ah kay. thx Missbomb
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4004 [23:09:56] <earendel> sounds like some anonymous place with
more newbies obscuring simple things
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4006 [23:09:58] <earendel> :P
4007 [23:10:07] <earendel> in order to soud clever.
4008 [23:10:14] <earendel> kids right?
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4014 [23:11:38] <teraflops> bernhardr: if you clone a disk the
UUID does not change, but I dont know what clonezilla does
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4024 [23:13:56] <earendel> bernhadr: from my xp clonezilla handles
all fine. small to bigger disk isnt exotic.
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4029 [23:14:37] <earendel> it offers working with paritiions or
whole disks. i did both several times and it always worked.
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4031 [23:15:07] <bernhardr> earendelso it is actually disk to disk
in the same system and then i would be able to boot from that new
disk directly ?
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4037 [23:18:36] <bernhardr> This is the fstab on my server.
replaced-url
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4039 [23:19:08] <bernhardr> i read that it sometimes need to be
adjusted ? (confused).. this server also is LVM
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4043 [23:20:54] <bernhardr> I would first like to see if the
cloned disk can boot. and afterwards resize rootfs /boot because i
cant upgrade the kernel (write error)..
4044 [23:21:42] <earendel> well. for windows boot loader it would
even set the partition as active .. if you want to avoid problems
put it on the first partition and not some extended logical ones
(which could at least cause problems with windows)
4045 [23:22:05] <earendel> you could test cloning some mini-boot
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4050 [23:22:55] <earendel> would 2>&1 basically write
errors and stdout into the same thingy?
4051 [23:23:02] <somiaj> yes
4052 [23:23:11] <earendel> \o/
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4055 [23:23:12] <bernhardr> the disc i want to clone only has
Debian 7 on it..
4056 [23:23:24] <somiaj> bernhardr: do you want to clone the disk
or just the os?
4057 [23:23:41] <bernhardr> clone the ssd disk..
4058 [23:24:26] <bernhardr> because i want to try resizing on the
cloned disc (so that i do not destroy the original disc when i try
to resize it)
4059 [23:24:34] <earendel> who has the bigger balls .. unix guide
tutorial authors or first semster maschinenbau students in
flanelshirts?
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4063 [23:24:53] <earendel> i will kill you.;)
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4066 [23:25:49] <earendel> bernhardr: oh the original disk wont be
touched.
4067 [23:25:50] <linuxthefish> will debian ever drop support for
x86?
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4070 [23:26:34] <earendel> linuxthefish: why. have you managed to
afford a 64bit machine?
4071 [23:26:36] <missmbob> linuxthefish: stretch will require 586
min
4072 [23:26:36] <teraflops> who knows…
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4074 [23:27:52] <bernhardr> earendel when i am able to clone the
120 gb ssd to the new 240 gb ssd i would try to resize the 240 gb to
adjust the size of /boot so that ia cant upgrade the kernel. If that
would work i would use the 240 as new boot disk and keep the 120 gb
as backup disk.
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4076 [23:28:06] <linuxthefish> earendel for my personal machine
yes, but i do some non profit work with older machines
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4079 [23:28:57] <earendel> bernhardr: better create two empty
partitions a 120gb. and clone the disk to the first on the disk.
4080 [23:29:41] <earendel> clone the source to part0 on the
ssd²
4081 [23:29:47] <teraflops> ugh
4082 [23:30:01] <teraflops> earendel: that's copying a
partition then
4083 [23:30:25] <earendel> linuxthefish: ah.. so you do not wish
them to drop support. sane!
4084 [23:30:28] <bernhardr> is that handy ? i would still need to
resize that partition..
4085 [23:30:43] <bernhardr> btw Can i directly clone to an 240 gb
samsung 850 evo (out of the box). or do i need to format that ssd
disk first ?
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4088 [23:30:53] <linuxthefish> earendel, oldest is pentium 4 so i
don't think it will effect for while
4089 [23:30:53] <earendel> i dont think its gonna be dropped in
the next 15years.
4090 [23:31:03] <linuxthefish> ah ok, yeah that should be fine
4091 [23:32:03] <teraflops> linuxthefish: if you clone a disk with
dd you do not need to create a partition on the destination
obviously
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4096 [23:32:57] <dgriffi> does anyone still like using John
Bradley's "xv" image viewer?
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4098 [23:33:05] <linuxthefish> teraflops, i think you mean someone
else :p
4099 [23:33:25] <teraflops> linuxthefish: yep sorry :D
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4101 [23:34:00] <jelly> dgriffi: maaaaybe
4102 [23:34:25] <bernhardr> At least i will try with clonezilla
first..
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4104 [23:35:06] <dgriffi> jelly: Stretch removed libpng12 from the
repos so I converted xv to use version 1.5+. See
replaced-url
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4106 [23:35:22] <dgriffi> jelly: it'll work out of the box
except you'll need to manually install libjasper
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4108 [23:35:37] <earendel> bernhardr: create the partition on the
target first.
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4110 [23:35:59] <dgriffi> jelly: it seems that libjasper is
in-then-out-then-in-again with the repos
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4114 [23:36:34] <dgriffi> ...and I'm pondering another appeal
to John to get him to change the license.
4115 [23:36:42] <earendel> i dont think its gonna be a problem to
resize later.. but IF thats the more risky thing .. tho not risky at
all. the source will remain untouched anyway.
4116 [23:36:43] <jelly> dgriffi: my last build does not seem to
Depends: on any jaspers
4117 [23:37:00] <dgriffi> jelly: do you have your build somewhere
visible on the net?
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4119 [23:37:24] <jelly> dgriffi: it's i386 only
4120 [23:37:42] <dgriffi> jelly: okay
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4123 [23:39:16] <earendel> bernhardr: also .. you wanna use a ssd
a "backup" disk? hom many layers is your tp, good sir?
4124 [23:39:25] <earendel> as a*
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4130 [23:39:59] <jelly> dgriffi: also I'm not quite sure
about redistribution rights
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4140 [23:42:01] <bubbely> is there an apt-get command to install x
windows.. "Unable to open x display window manager
cinnamon"
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4145 [23:44:04] <bubbely> these installs keep asking me to remove
kernel also
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4147 [23:44:16] <tripkin> Hi. I am running stretch on one machine
and like how apt works there. Is it safe to upgrade apt on my jessie
server to the version in stretch? Really, will it break anything?
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4153 [23:46:07] <missmbob> tripkin: you cant. the deps arent in
jessie
4154 [23:46:35] <tripkin> Fantastic! Thank you missmbob.
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4159 [23:47:21] <tripkin> I will just wait to do the upgrade once
it has gone stable.
4160 [23:47:33] <bubbely> why does apt-get install xorg want to
remove linux-image.49.0-2.amd64
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4165 [23:48:42] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ehm... I've been able
to prepare the live CD with debian and boot it on my old laptop.
Seems to work. I've chosen the "standard" version -
the one with only the command line. Now I am a bit in trouble with
the wireless. I got the CD including firmware. I was reading around
and saw I should invoke first iwconfig, but it is not installed.
Found it is part of wireless-tools. Also found the package online.
Now I
4166 [23:48:42] <Enrico_Menotti> wonder whether I should download
the package and install it in some way or the package may be already
included on the live CD, and I just need to enable it. May you
please clarify this?
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4171 [23:49:16] <bubbely> =( someone ?
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4175 [23:50:48] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: I don't have a lot of
experience with live images, but in my limited experience they get
less love than installer images (see: lack of uefi support in
jessie's live images)
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4178 [23:51:53] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: dpkg -l wireless-tools
will tell you whether it's installed. Maybe it's just the
PATH under sudo is incomplete
4179 [23:52:46] <jelly> bubbely: linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64 is part
of debian testing or unstable branch. You're probably using
packages from two different debian releases.
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4184 [23:53:04] <bubbely> jelly: im running 4.9.02 because its the
only one that worked on my laptop after much research
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4186 [23:53:16] <bubbely> infact, someone in this channel todl me
to use that version of debian
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4190 [23:53:37] <Enrico_Menotti> jelly Ok, I will check. If
it's not installed, I think I should download it and put it on
a flash drive, and from there install with dpkg. Am I right?
4191 [23:53:38] <bubbely> lol so im using smoething older than
lenny
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4194 [23:54:07] <jelly> bubbely: if anyone here told you to enable
repos for testing or unstable on an otherwise jessie (debian 8)
installation, they did you a huge disservice
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4196 [23:54:47] <missmbob> !frankendebian
4197 [23:54:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
4198 [23:54:50] <jelly> Enrico_Menotti: pretty much
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4203 [23:57:15] <jelly> bubbely: if they told you to install from
a stretch (testing) installer, that's maybe saner, but then it
looks like you're trying to install older packages into your
stretch, which is not sane either. In any case, having full outputs
of commands as per "bat (basic apt troubleshooting)"
instructions would make it easier for to see what's going on
and what's the simplest or safest way forward
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4206 [23:58:16] <jelly> bubbely: do you know which iso image you
used for installation?
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4208 [23:58:21] <bubbely> trying to install 8.7.1 now
4209 [23:58:30] <bubbely> debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst
4210 [23:58:47] <jelly> bubbely: how old was that testing netinst?
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4212 [23:59:21] <jelly> bubbely: if you're going for a fresh
install, and you already know you're going to need wireless,
use
4213 [23:59:24] <bubbely> im not sure
4214 [23:59:25] <jelly> !firmware images
4215 [23:59:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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4218 [23:59:57] <bubbely> k so im gonna use
firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
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