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• 1[00:00:17] <peterS> tempate: in screen, use ctrl-a esc, then pgup/pgdown/up/down/ctrl-p/ctrl-n. Then esc again to exit that mode.
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• 3[00:00:34] <tempate> it should also be noted it's a vm inside of vbox running debian 9.3
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• 5[00:00:56] <iflema> dont know either
• 6[00:01:34] <tempate> peterS: great that worked, thank you so much
• 7[00:01:43] <peterS> no problem
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• 24[00:08:03] <amundsen> hi
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• 39[00:12:53] <amundsen> i'm using mate dekstop in debian 9.0 and i'm realizing about a strange behavour when dragging desktop icons. A grey rectangle appears surrounding them until you drop them. Is this a bug? or is it something custoamizable?icons
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• 44[00:14:46] <annadane> you should probably update if you're on 9.0, we're on 9.2 now
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• 46[00:15:29] <f0x> some recent update completely messed up my bitmap font
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• 48[00:15:42] <f0x> everything that's displayed in bold is really werid
• 49[00:15:46] <amundsen> is it necessary to reinstall? i update my system very often
• 50[00:15:52] <f0x> replaced-url
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• 52[00:16:01] <annadane> no, well, if you update your system often then you should be on 9.2
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• 54[00:16:41] <Riku-Linux> just installed 9.2 and ifconfig gives command not found
• 55[00:16:47] <amundsen> well, i'm using debian stretch
• 56[00:16:49] <Riku-Linux> also ifconfig can't be located on apt
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• 59[00:18:11] <mutante> Riku-Linux: ifconfig has been replaced by "ip" command mostly
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• 62[00:19:07] <Riku-Linux> okay I have no idea how to just display interface information like ifconfig with this
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• 64[00:19:24] <mutante> Riku-Linux: ip a s
• 65[00:19:29] <mutante> Riku-Linux: a for all, s for show
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• 67[00:19:49] <Riku-Linux> can I just get ifconfig back?
• 68[00:19:52] <peterS> or ip link, if you only care about up / down type information
• 69[00:20:01] <Riku-Linux> I don't like the output format on this
• 70[00:20:46] <mutante> sorry, a for address of course
• 71[00:20:52] <peterS> you can install 'net-tools' if you need ifconfig, but I actually suggest just getting used to 'ip addr' and 'ip link' output. They really are nice, concise, and very very featureful
• 72[00:21:32] <Riku-Linux> seems to be no difference between 'ip a' and 'ip a s'
• 73[00:21:55] <Riku-Linux> don't particularily care about extensive feature I just want readable output
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• 75[00:22:07] <Riku-Linux> besides 99% of the guides online are going to use ifconfig
• 76[00:22:12] <peterS> yes, 'ip address show' is the default mode for 'ip address' (or 'ip a')
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• 78[00:22:44] <Riku-Linux> the only benefit I can see to ip over ifconfig is I don't need to be root
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• 80[00:23:02] <peterS> yeah, if you only ever have a single ipv4 address attached to an interface
• 81[00:23:14] <peterS> last I checked anyway, ifconfig didn't know how to display more than one
• 82[00:23:26] <Riku-Linux> ifconfig displays several interfaces just fine
• 83[00:23:41] <peterS> several ipv4 addresses on a single interface? Maybe it does, but last I checked it did not
• 84[00:23:43] <Riku-Linux> oh, more than one address on an interface?
• 85[00:23:49] <Riku-Linux> how is that even possible
• 86[00:24:21] <peterS> eh? It's easy and I've been doing it for years
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• 89[00:25:23] <Riku-Linux> I guess I technically do that on windows with hyper-v guests
• 90[00:25:30] <peterS> also, 'ip route' is IMO much more readable than the traditional command 'netstat -nr'
• 91[00:26:10] <Riku-Linux> anyway, ifconfig shows me right away in the second line my IP address, and shows my actual interface first
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• 93[00:26:30] <peterS> yeah Windows permits adding multiple IPs to an interface, in the 'advanced' tab of the 'ipv4' properties dialog
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• 95[00:26:39] <Riku-Linux> ip has my IP down in the third line and shows the loopback interface as the first one for some reason
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• 97[00:27:11] <Riku-Linux> also ifconfig shows total traffic and ip does not
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• 99[00:27:39] <jhamlin> I am trying to set up an autofs for a samba drive. I want to read about options like bg, hard, retry etc. I can't for the life of me find documentation in any of the obvious manpages. Where is the documentation on these options?
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• 101[00:29:21] <peterS> true, 'ip address' shows only info related to addresses and not to traffic. There may be a subcommand of 'ip' that shows traffic stats but I haven't needed that in so long I've never actually bothered to look it up
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• 103[00:29:43] <peterS> jhamlin: sounds like you want 'man nfs'
• 104[00:29:52] <jhamlin> man samba
• 105[00:29:59] <jhamlin> doh! long day
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• 108[00:30:26] <peterS> I mean, not that autofs _requires_ nfs, but it's usually associated with nfs
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• 110[00:31:35] <peterS> Riku-Linux: oh and btw... ifconfig does not require root, but since it lives in /sbin, it's normally not in your non-root default path. you can invoke it as /sbin/ifconfig as an unprivileged user, though
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• 116[00:34:17] <peterS> also, with the 'ip' command, if you want to see info about only a specific device (as with 'ifconfig eth0'), use the 'dev' specifier. As in: 'ip address show dev eth0' (or 'ip a s dev eth0')
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• 119[00:35:18] <Riku-Linux> I've been blessed with the interface name 'enp0s25'
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• 121[00:35:32] <peterS> fun
• 122[00:36:17] <Riku-Linux> this is an older machine I pulled from e-waste
• 123[00:36:24] <Riku-Linux> core 2 duo
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• 125[00:36:42] <peterS> is that interface name an abomination of network-manager, or an abomination of a USB adapter? (or both?)
• 126[00:36:57] <Riku-Linux> it's on the motherboard
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• 128[00:37:32] <peterS> so either the kernel, or udev, or network-manager, or _somebody_, believes your network chip is a "p0s"
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• 131[00:37:43] <Riku-Linux> I don't even have network-manager installed
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• 138[00:41:11] <meh30183848> So, I have a dell inspiron laptop, having issues with fans. i8kmon works until I suspend to ram, then it /proc/i8k reports temperature as 0C.
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• 141[00:42:01] <meh30183848> Do I have a more trustworthy option than smm? I'm not too eager to risk bricking my laptop when there seem to be no publicly available serial flashing guides around.
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• 150[00:46:24] <peterS> I'd never noticed before, but it appears ifconfig sorts its output alphabetically by interface name. ('ip a' and 'ip l' do not, they present output in the order the interfaces were created.) Huh.
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• 172[00:57:10] <jnes> setting up a bluetooth devices is really testing my patience. my speaker refuses to switch to a2dp profile. had same problem yesterday that magically resolved itself by reconnecting/unpair/repair etc a few times. how do i even debug this?
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• 178[01:00:17] <jnes> secondly I am messing in 4 different interfaces which just feels ridiculous?! blueman, bluetooth-devices from gnome settings, sound settings from gnome settings, and pavucontrol.
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• 265[01:43:12] <rant> jnes: nno experience with this but hcitool I think is the commandline util you'd use to do lower-level debugging
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• 278[01:52:04] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 279[01:53:03] <tobiasBora> I've a question, it's not really linked with debian specifically, but I don't know where I could ask else. I've a DNS entry that looks like "@ 10800 IN A <my ip>". I know the wildcard "*", but not the wildcard "@", what does it mean ?
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• 282[01:57:23] <jaxson> where are you seeing that tobiasBora?
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• 288[01:59:10] <tobiasBora> jaxson: in the webinterface of my DNS provider
• 289[01:59:37] <jaxson> probably a question to ask them then..
• 290[01:59:54] <jaxson> different providers use different wildcards
• 291[02:00:02] <tobiasBora> oh ok
• 292[02:00:41] <rant> @ is not typically a wildcard in a dns record, its more of a short form of the $ORIGIN
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• 297[02:01:55] <tobiasBora> rant: something like "google.com" ?
• 298[02:02:01] <rant> tobiasBora: ight
• 299[02:02:04] <rant> right even
• 300[02:02:12] <tobiasBora> reat ;-)
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• 302[02:02:39] <rant> my keyboard batteries are getting low I think and I'm being cheap/lazy
• 303[02:02:59] <tobiasBora> ahah
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• 306[02:04:31] <tobiasBora> And another question, I've both "@" and "*", but @ should be included in "*" right ? Is it because some MX fields already define something for the origin, and because of the strange wildcards rules, we need also to define "@" for A ?
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• 308[02:05:37] <rant> tobiasBora: for what its worth I know very little about networking and there is a ##networking channel, although DNS has been a hot topic in here this evening
• 309[02:06:17] <tobiasBora> rant: ok, thank you for your hekp !
• 310[02:06:56] <rant> but yes it sounds like * matches everything so, that would likely include @
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• 324[02:20:40] <tobiasBora> rant: someone told me that * matches everything, except for @ ^^
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• 330[02:21:41] <rant> hmm someone usually knows what they're talking about so by that logic..
• 331[02:21:49] <rant> heh
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• 353[02:38:51] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows how I could solve my problem with user mode linux ?
• 354[02:39:00] <tobiasBora> When I run a system, I get
• 355[02:39:02] <tobiasBora> [ 84.760000] getmaster - no usable host pty devices
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• 371[02:47:31] <nvz> tobiasBora: you do realize this isn't google right?
• 372[02:47:58] <tobiasBora> nvz: sure, bug google didn't not help me after 30mn of search.
• 373[02:48:28] <tobiasBora> The only solution I found is "We don't know, but we saw that if we use an olded kernel, is seems to work"
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• 375[02:48:46] <tobiasBora> but these answers comes from 7 years ago
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• 378[02:50:09] <TheHottestPotato> does anyone know of an override for the directory that apt searches for apt.conf.d and sources.list in?
• 379[02:50:11] <tobiasBora> after some search, I got an old kernel... but unfortunately it's still not working
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• 381[02:51:09] <tobiasBora> so I guess that maybe this strange error would be familiar to someone, and that this someone may give me an idea to do the workaround
• 382[02:51:10] <TheHottestPotato> I tried a few things I found but stuff like -o Dir didnt work,
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• 384[02:52:00] <mutante> TheHottestPotato: i found this: apt-get -o Dir::Etc=/path/to/other/dir update
• 385[02:52:34] <mutante> did you maybe just have a path but not "Dir:Etc" ?
• 386[02:52:42] <mutante> Dir::Etc=
• 387[02:52:52] <nvz> tobiasBora: while things are slow, this is a high-volume support channel for debian and as you already admitted earlier you're not looking for support with anything related to a stable debian system
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• 389[02:54:13] <tobiasBora> nvz: well, user mode linux is a program that I'm actually running on my debian system, in order to virtualize another debian system
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• 393[02:54:56] <TheHottestPotato> mutante, that almost worked, but its not using that override for apt.conf.d
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• 399[02:56:12] <TheHottestPotato> I think i might know what to search for now though
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• 405[02:57:53] <nvz> tobiasBora: well you should be more specific if this really is a debian issue. For starters you should specify what Debian versions you're using
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• 412[03:00:33] <nvz> tobiasBora: also highly relevant to this issue would be the filesystem being used by UML
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• 415[03:01:53] <tobiasBora> nvz: The host is a debian sid, and I'm trying to run on it debian jessie, downloaded here replaced-url
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• 418[03:02:05] <tobiasBora> (64 bit versions)
• 419[03:02:35] <tobiasBora> and the kernel I'm using is taken from this page replaced-url
• 420[03:03:08] <tobiasBora> and here is the command ./kernel64-3.16.7 ubda=Debian-Jessie-AMD64-root_fs mem=500M
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• 453[03:26:53] <Neomex> do i need all debian iso's or am i good with just first if i dont care for extra software?
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• 465[03:32:47] <annadane> Neomex, just the first is fine
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• 478[03:42:21] <random_numbers> It's possible to have multiple swap files listed in /etc/fstab, right?
• 479[03:42:50] <nvz> random_numbers: absolutely.. works best when you actually have multiple swap files though :P
• 480[03:44:05] <nvz> really you could list your favorite flavors of ice cream, or your credit history in there too but thats likely to cause some errors
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• 482[03:46:57] <random_numbers> nvz: Alright. I was wondering if there was some reason or another it might've been a "swapon"-only kind of thing.
• 483[03:47:03] <random_numbers> Apparently not, which is nice.
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• 485[03:47:43] <nvz> random_numbers: no, I have two on my system which is a pi with low ram.. I got one small one and one big one
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• 490[03:49:15] <random_numbers> I think a raspberry even with swap would be fairly limited, right? But yeah, got it. An example that it does work.
• 491[03:49:22] <nvz> I always wondered why linux did have a system for dynamically creating swap as needed
• 492[03:49:42] <nvz> s/did/didn't/
• 493[03:49:56] <koollman> well, there's swapspace
• 494[03:50:19] <nvz> random_numbers: no raspberries here, I'm using a citris flavor. and yeah its pretty limited
• 495[03:50:29] <koollman> but mostly, memory handling is ... strange, for many legacy reasons, on linux (and many other unix-like OS)
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• 500[03:50:57] <nvz> windows dynamically creates paging files as needed
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• 502[03:52:05] <nvz> really I only see swap as useful for either hibernation or keeping your system alive long enough for you to fix whatever caused you to run out of ram
• 503[03:52:06] <koollman> nvz: it's pretty much what swapspace does
• 504[03:52:24] <koollman> (but not as efficiently as windows, sadly)
• 505[03:52:35] <TimeTraveler> hi folks, whats a good light weight browser?
• 506[03:52:44] <TimeTraveler> firefox ESR is just a rediculous CPU hog
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• 508[03:53:33] <nvz> TimeTraveler: you gotta understand there is no such thing really.. the web has become a viscious beast.. I've been using links2 but it lacks the ability to do many things
• 509[03:54:31] <TimeTraveler> on my little x200 firefox is a slug
• 510[03:54:40] <TimeTraveler> driving cpu to 100%
• 511[03:55:08] <nvz> compared to other really light browsers though like dillo, links2 renders pages more the way they're suppose to look just lacks JS and such
• 512[03:55:36] <random_numbers> Hibernation's the reason I was asking. I hadn't thought of it back when I made a (basically swap-less) system.
• 513[03:55:37] <nvz> I'm using an orangepilite with 512mb ram so I know the pain
• 514[03:56:11] <nvz> and I really only have 490 or so cause its shared with video
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• 516[03:57:19] <TimeTraveler> ive got 8gigs ram
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• 518[03:57:27] <TimeTraveler> but i guess its very cpu intesive
• 519[03:57:45] <nvz> javascript is, sure.. sites like facebook for example are rough
• 520[03:58:08] <random_numbers> One basically needs site-specific clients at this point.
• 521[03:58:29] <nvz> yes.. thats what I have to do on here.. I use pianobar for pandora for example
• 522[03:58:34] <random_numbers> Everything Google is a horrible hog when you're forced to use it for whatever reason.
• 523[03:59:10] <awal1> TimeTraveler, xombrero , maybe?
• 524[03:59:16] <awal1> or luakit
• 525[03:59:22] <TimeTraveler> hmm
• 526[03:59:28] <TimeTraveler> never heard of those
• 527[03:59:33] <awal1> ,v xombrero
• 528[03:59:34] <judd> Package: xombrero on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2:1.6.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.6.3-1; stretch: 2:1.6.4-3+b2
• 529[03:59:46] <TimeTraveler> tor isnt as crazy
• 530[03:59:47] <nvz> xombrero is ok.. but like midori or netsurf, etc, it will encounter issues..
• 531[03:59:56] <awal1> right
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• 534[04:00:20] <awal1> luakit is better, but a bit heavier
• 535[04:00:28] <awal1> ,v luakit
• 536[04:00:29] <judd> Package: luakit on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.03.25-1; sid: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1; stretch: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1
• 537[04:00:36] <nvz> I can't login to google sites anymore with those since they changed their login system which is ridiculous the way it works now
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• 539[04:01:32] <nvz> the whole account lookup thing many sites do is stupid.. I know my damn username and password and should be able to just put them in
• 540[04:01:58] <netcat> TimeTraveler, give qupzilla a try
• 541[04:02:12] <awal1> TimeTraveler, i seriously think that you can't have a safe, easy browsing out there withoit firefox , chromium, opera, vivaldi or similar heavy browsers
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• 543[04:02:44] <TimeTraveler> chromium isnt available on debian is it
• 544[04:02:50] <TimeTraveler> or its not free software
• 545[04:02:53] <nvz> chromium is terrible
• 546[04:02:53] <TimeTraveler> ?
• 547[04:02:53] <annadane> it is available
• 548[04:02:55] <awal1> huh
• 549[04:02:59] <annadane> ,v chromium
• 550[04:03:00] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; buster: 61.0.3163.100-2; sid: 61.0.3163.100-2
• 551[04:03:08] <nvz> TimeTraveler: you're thinking chrome.. chromium IS the free version
• 552[04:03:21] <TimeTraveler> is it free as in freedom
• 553[04:03:31] <nvz> chrome is decent, chromium in my experience is basically trash
• 554[04:03:38] <koollman> nvz: how so ?
• 555[04:04:12] <TimeTraveler> why doesnt tor make my damn cpu explode?
• 556[04:04:14] <nvz> same way xombrero and others are.. it just fails to render most things
• 557[04:04:26] <awal1> also, webkit based browser lakes of security support, you know
• 558[04:04:38] <koollman> nvz: it's the same render engine ...
• 559[04:05:06] <nvz> koollman: yeah which is why it doesnt make sense..
• 560[04:05:40] <koollman> nvz: I haven't used it in a while but I did not notice any troubles when I was using it
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• 562[04:06:09] <koollman> awal1: you do realize chrome has a pretty big security team working on the code, right ? :)
• 563[04:07:05] <awal1> chromium is an exception
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• 565[04:07:31] <koollman> a pretty large one, for such a wide statement
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• 567[04:07:42] <awal1> there is a reference about all that on jessie release notes
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• 569[04:08:10] <awal1> applicable to any recent release
• 570[04:08:22] <koollman> replaced-url
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• 572[04:09:39] <awal1> to be continued.... 3:10 am here. good night all :P
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• 577[04:10:36] <nvz> I'm feeling a bit like a bicycle myself
• 578[04:10:58] <TimeTraveler> everyone riding you nvz ?
• 579[04:11:01] <random_numbers> Alright, time to test if this blows everything...
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• 581[04:11:05] <nvz> no, 2 tires
• 582[04:11:10] <nvz> erm 2 tired
• 583[04:11:15] <TimeTraveler> oh
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• 585[04:11:45] <awal1> firefox-esr is the browser wich mary perfectly debian principles
• 586[04:11:53] <awal1> gn
• 587[04:12:03] <TimeTraveler> what principals are those?
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• 590[04:12:30] <nvz> likely referring to things like the Social Contract and DFSG
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• 592[04:13:00] <awal1> that is it
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• 594[04:13:28] <awal1> as a project (debian) firefox-esr is perfect
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• 596[04:13:54] <awal1> individually, one can use what he wants :P
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• 598[04:14:53] <nvz> 5-10 years ago calling firefox bloated was very valid. now its more the web itself that is bloated and firefox renders it best sadly
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• 601[04:15:25] <random_numbers> :/ My swapfile, which is at /swap in an encrypted partition, apparently isn't appropriate for uswsusp.
• 602[04:15:36] <random_numbers> Am I doing it wrong or is my setup just now usable for this kind of stuff?
• 603[04:15:41] <random_numbers> s/now/not/
• 604[04:15:58] <nvz> it shouldnt be a "partition" just a filesystem
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• 607[04:17:44] <random_numbers> I should've thought about it before then. Meh. I'm not reinstalling.
• 608[04:17:59] <random_numbers> So I guess it'll wait until I just buy a larger harddrive and dd everything onto it.
• 609[04:18:47] <random_numbers> Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
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• 612[04:20:23] <nvz> I used to keep my swapfiles on the root, now I been putting them in /var/
• 613[04:20:55] <nvz> random_numbers: a swapfile is just a file with a filesystem, a swap partition is a partition on an actual device
• 614[04:21:05] <nvz> and any of this can be changed without reinstalling
• 615[04:21:06] <random_numbers> I just have my everything-besides-boot encrypted.
• 616[04:21:20] <random_numbers> I'd need to resize my dm-crypt partition.
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• 619[04:21:51] <nvz> you dont need to touch partitions at all to use a swap file
• 620[04:21:59] <nvz> you said /swap which is a file
• 621[04:22:08] <random_numbers> / is inside an encrypted partition.
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• 625[04:23:11] <nvz> that would cause some overhead with accessing swap sure
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• 629[04:24:46] <random_numbers> Well, it'd really only be to carry the laptop between places without the battery just dying on me.
• 630[04:25:08] <random_numbers> Unfortunately, uswsusp doesn't like my current setup.
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• 632[04:26:28] <nvz> yeah idk I think that may only work with an actual swap partition
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• 634[04:27:51] <nvz> I dont do that sort of thing, but you'd need enough swap to store your whole ram
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• 638[04:29:04] <nvz> the virtual memory and hibernate is one of the few things microsoft actually did well
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• 640[04:30:13] <random_numbers> ...nevermind that. It works fine.
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• 643[04:31:02] <random_numbers> So, I spoke too fast I guess. I'm probably not doing it the way it's meant to be done, but it works.
• 644[04:32:07] <random_numbers> be back after some more testing.
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• 650[04:33:03] <nvz> I'll be back after about 8hrs sleep :P
• 651[04:33:09] <random_numbers> nvz: Ah well, enjoy.
• 652[04:33:14] <TimeTraveler> why doesnt tor make my cpu explode lol
• 653[04:33:18] <TimeTraveler> only firefox
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• 666[04:43:58] <JohnA> i am setting up a home server. Is webmin a "good" idea?
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• 668[04:44:42] <dax> !webmin
• 669[04:44:43] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 670[04:44:46] <dax> i think that about covers it.
• 671[04:44:47] <random_numbers> If it doesn't do anything more than adminer, I'd go with adminer since it's in the repos.
• 672[04:44:52] <random_numbers> !adminer
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• 675[04:47:04] <iflema> does that have mining for digital coin?
• 676[04:47:06] <iflema> lol
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• 678[04:47:20] <JohnA> I have not used a gui/web interface in the past for my servers, but i was wondering if it was a g idea. obviously not. Thnx
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• 680[04:48:49] <JohnA> google hasn't been my friend. anybody know of a good article of partition sizes?
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• 682[04:49:55] <random_numbers> adminer is basically just a database web UI. I'd just go with the basic text clients myself.
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• 686[04:52:21] <JohnA> random_numbers: that is what I have always used in the past, but as this for the family I was wondering if there might be something that would make it simpler for the non-techies in the family.
• 687[04:53:14] <random_numbers> I'm not sure if attempting to setup a web-facing database without understanding what one's doing would ever be a good idea.
• 688[04:53:41] <RoyK> JohnA: please just try to learn the commandline - it may seem hard in the beginning, but it doesn't take that long to get used to
• 689[04:53:42] <random_numbers> Unless you mean you'll be setting something up for them.
• 690[04:53:55] <RoyK> JohnA: and you will learn stuff, and you will have control
• 691[04:54:25] <RoyK> JohnA: beleive me on that, please
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• 694[04:55:05] <JohnA> random_numbers: yep, the server is for the family - webdav/cloud of some sort, email, calendar + contacts ...
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• 697[04:55:35] <random_numbers> Thought about using nextcloud?
• 698[04:55:36] <RoyK> JohnA: zimbra is neat for email/calendar, preferably in a dedicated vm
• 699[04:55:59] <RoyK> random_numbers: obviously, nextcloud is great
• 700[04:56:30] <random_numbers> I wonder if it has any roundcube integration or its own mail interface...
• 701[04:57:14] <RoyK> I've never used nextcloud for email
• 702[04:57:22] <RoyK> I use zimbra for that sort of things
• 703[04:57:46] <random_numbers> Oh, it has a fairly straight-forward IMAP/POP3 webclient plugin. Well, that works.
• 704[04:58:01] <JohnA> random_numbers: I have always used postfix/dovecot for mail, currently davical for cal/contacts. webdav for file sahring etc.
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• 706[04:58:32] <random_numbers> JohnA: It'd pretty much still be that, only using nextcloud as the Web UI to interact with your mailserver (as a user).
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• 709[04:58:38] <RoyK> JohnA: just try to learn it the old way - no fancy webui, just the commandline - see replaced-url
• 710[04:59:07] <RoyK> !handbook
• 711[04:59:07] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
• 712[04:59:10] <random_numbers> Well, the nextcloud thing is just a MUA.
• 713[04:59:21] <RoyK> MUA?
• 714[04:59:27] <random_numbers> Mail User Agent.
• 715[04:59:34] <random_numbers> A client like Claws-Mail or Thunderbird or Mutt.
• 716[04:59:51] <klys> does mutt support imap this year
• 717[05:00:20] <random_numbers> It has done so for a while, but I don't use it because it's annoying to configure.
• 718[05:00:22] <RoyK> klys: it did 20 years ago, so I guess it still does
• 719[05:00:27] <klys> k
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• 723[05:00:58] <random_numbers> One day I'll bother installing wanderlust in emacs.
• 724[05:01:02] <JohnA> RoyK: I have been running server for about 5 years as the admin for a friend. But I am looking to retire, I have been in it for 45yrs.
• 725[05:01:54] <JohnA> RoyK: in it -> in IT
• 726[05:01:56] <RoyK> JohnA: heh - then you probably know how to administer a server - don't fall into that trap of webminning things
• 727[05:02:29] * RoyK hands JohnA a stack of punched cards for the debian installation
• 728[05:02:59] <JohnA> I am looking for a way of getting my non-techie family to run the damn thing. its that or move them all to ...
• 729[05:03:30] <JohnA> RoyK: do u have a sapre 2540
• 730[05:03:31] <RoyK> mickysoft windoze?
• 731[05:04:10] <JohnA> RoyK: wash your mouth out, & go stand in the corner for 15 minutes!!!!!
• 732[05:04:16] <RoyK> JohnA: I'm quite sure some of the other members of the family can learn as well
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• 734[05:05:52] <JohnA> RoyK: It not they can't learn they just don't want to. My wife thinks that computers are devices spawned by the devil to make life difficult, the rest ofthe familt thinks shes right
• 735[05:06:13] <preaction> they are
• 736[05:06:24] <n4dir> i am not really in the subject, rather not at all, but perhaps something like citadel might help? (it is a groupware thing: replaced-url
• 737[05:07:19] <JohnA> preaction: but they're fun
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• 739[05:07:30] <n4dir> you might also have a look at wiki.debian.org leaving the cloud. I don't think something useful is listed there, but it might be worth a look
• 740[05:07:31] <preaction> uh...
• 741[05:07:35] <JohnA> n4dir: thanks for the tip I will take alook
• 742[05:07:49] <n4dir> like said: i am shooting in the dark here ... :-)
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• 750[05:15:55] <JohnA> n4dir: took a quick look, I don't think it will work with apple/android devices.
• 751[05:16:17] <n4dir> ah, sorry.
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• 753[05:21:23] <JohnA> n4dir: hey, it worth a look and I had not heard of it before. That is one of the big problems with the OS world there a hell of a lot of stuff out there
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• 756[05:22:46] <n4dir> I once heard of it, relating to the freedombox project i think. I installed it and pretty much liked the interface, but had no use for it
• 757[05:23:09] <n4dir> else i never ever heard anyone mention it
• 758[05:24:17] <n4dir> the german wiki of ubuntu has a nice list of apps for all kind of purposes. Probably not very useful if one doesn't speak german
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• 760[05:25:41] <JohnA> n4dir: I vaguely remember 1 word stassabannhaltastella (sp?) which I think means tram stop.
• 761[05:26:38] <n4dir> yeah, you are correct. (strassenbahnhaltestelle) :-)
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• 764[05:27:31] <n4dir> anyway, here is the link, but after a short glance i don't think it offers anything useful replaced-url
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• 768[05:28:46] <JohnA> n4dir: thanks. and thanks for spell check. my schoolboy german is very very rusty?
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• 770[05:28:53] <JohnA> night all
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• 776[05:32:18] <dave123123> /msg NickServ register superpie84@gmail.com
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• 781[05:36:53] <l0dey> IT IS THE L0DE RADIO HOUR AGAIN!!! #LRH at irc.efnet.org
• 782[05:36:53] <l0dey> Call the show at 415-349-5666
• 783[05:36:53] <l0dey> his live show @ replaced-url
• 784[05:36:53] <l0dey> WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION IN THIS SHOW | (don't be a nigger) PLEASE CALL AND PARTICIPATE.
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• 862[06:34:39] <blink2> hello
• 863[06:35:04] <aloo_shu> hi
• 864[06:35:14] <blink2> I started broadcasting from my web camera. Please send me the "ft" private message (query): "/privmsg blink2 :ft" if you want to watch my broadcast.
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• 868[06:36:59] <aloo_shu> lol
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• 870[06:37:19] <aloo_shu> finally irc is beginning to feel like irc again
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• 882[06:44:27] <blink2> I started broadcasting from my web camera. Please send me the "ft" private message (query): "/privmsg blink2 :ft" if you want to watch my broadcast.
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• 884[06:45:51] <blink2> I started broadcasting from my web camera. Please send me the "ft" private message (query): "/privmsg blink2 :ft" if you want to watch my broadcast.
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• 889[06:50:19] <toruvinn> aloo_shu, lol, i must've been sitting in all the wrong channels all this time. ;-P
• 890[06:51:15] <anhr> :)
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• 906[07:03:27] <aloo_shu> toruvinn: ICQ #teens wasn't bad for that, with the ops asking innocent questions about driving licenses to trick all the pedo trolls into confessing adulthood :)
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• 916[07:14:08] <mandeep_> aloo_shu: there were channels on icq?
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• 923[07:17:18] <aloo_shu> mandeep_: until a few years ago, ICQ used a public irc network as a backend, ICQ proper added ident services and buddies and such, but you could use it with any irc client then
• 924[07:19:45] <mandeep_> aloo_shu: that's pretty cool. i had only used it to talk to my friends
• 925[07:20:39] <aloo_shu> and me only the irc side
• 926[07:20:56] <mandeep_> i wish i had known about that
• 927[07:21:35] <aloo_shu> you're lucky you didn't
• 928[07:21:41] <mandeep_> haha
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• 933[07:29:14] <aloo_shu> seriously. big userbase=active channels, but not a nice atmossphere. don't know if people started trolling because they were put off or if putting off was necessary because of trolling, but there was a fairly poisened feel to it.
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• 937[07:36:08] <cinthia`j> hi
• 938[07:37:10] <klys> hi
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• 941[07:41:38] <dtux> is it correct to say everything before the os starts is "firmware"?
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• 943[07:42:57] <preaction> no
• 944[07:43:13] <klys> the bootloader is not firmware, if you have bios.
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• 948[07:44:12] <dtux> is the bios considered firmware?
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• 950[07:45:29] <klys> that depends on how your motherboard manufacturer named the latest update.
• 951[07:46:07] <klys> if it's called a bios upgrade, then it might not be called firmware anyway.
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• 958[07:49:58] <dtux> interesting, ok ty
• 959[07:50:01] <durg> wiki says the bios is non-volatile firmware
• 960[07:51:50] <durg> i guess if it starts win10 you could also call it a spyware loader
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• 963[07:54:09] <Riku> I have a debian install on hyper-v here, I had to reinstall the host OS and lost the VM config files but not the disks so I made the VM again
• 964[07:54:34] <Riku> but it's failing to mount all the disks then hanging on the emergency mode prompt and not accepting keyboard input
• 965[07:55:22] <durg> are you using a raid of any kind?
• 966[07:55:47] <Riku> no
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• 972[07:56:53] <durg> my guess would be that a driver is missing or conflicting with the current hardware setup of the vm
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• 974[07:57:20] <Riku> my guess is all the UUIDs of the disks are now different
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• 976[07:59:10] <durg> that's probably a better guess
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• 978[07:59:24] <Riku> there's no way I can see to fix that though
• 979[07:59:46] <durg> but would it completely hang on that?
• 980[07:59:49] <Riku> and having to wait 90s for start jobs is making my life hell
• 981[08:00:19] <Riku> the cursor blinks but it doesn't seem to register the keyboard at all
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• 983[08:01:20] <Riku> it's failing on mounting /boot/efi, /home, and swap
• 984[08:01:27] <Riku> which are all kinda important
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• 987[08:02:50] <durg> does debian try to mount them in rescue mode? i'm not sure, but my feeling is it shouldn't.
• 988[08:03:26] <Riku> it tries to mount all the disks by UUID normally then fails and drops to emergency mode
• 989[08:04:59] <Riku> anyway, I'm gonna sleep on this issue
• 990[08:05:35] <Riku> I have separate disk images for /, /home, and a 300GB one on a HDD instead of SSD
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• 992[08:05:53] <Riku> so redeploying a whole new install should be relatively painless if I need to
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• 994[08:06:47] <durg> you could also use the rescue mode from an debian installer dvd
• 995[08:06:57] <Riku> I suppose that too
• 996[08:06:57] <durg> and try to mount them manually
• 997[08:07:16] <Riku> I have very little software on the VM and the locale was broken anyway
• 998[08:07:43] <Riku> debian netinst on gigabit downlink is lightning fast though
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• 1000[08:08:14] <durg> netinst is a cool feature
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• 1002[08:08:33] <durg> an gigabit internet connection is as well
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• 1012[08:18:41] <iflema> livecd/dvd/usb on da metal, see if it likes ya shit and then commit... or not. A Linux Desktop in a VM is a silly idea... no matter how many times/places you read it.
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• 1014[08:19:50] <iflema> just saying...
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• 1021[08:25:22] <Riku> it's not a desktop it's totally headless
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• 1033[08:37:23] <brizz> is there anyway to remove this (replaced-url
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• 1063[09:10:00] <pikaro> hi! running 9.1 on an OpenVZ, even with only systemd, sshd and a ssh session running bash, my system consumes about 85 MB of memory. (subtracting "available" from "total".) is that value roughly to be expected or am I doing something wrong?
• 1064[09:10:29] <leibniz> ym
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• 1074[09:18:50] <gunix> i got a reboot last night without touching the computer. any ideea why?
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• 1076[09:19:00] <gunix> any way to check why the system rebooted?
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• 1080[09:20:15] <durg> check the logs
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• 1082[09:20:48] <durg> where you running anything?
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• 1084[09:20:54] <durg> *were
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• 1095[09:28:38] <gunix> durg: i was sleeping. the system rebooted at 4 am
• 1096[09:28:43] <gunix> 04:33 am
• 1097[09:29:12] <gunix> is there any way to check if it was initiated from a button? maybe the cat rebooted it
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• 1099[09:31:53] <gunix> look: replaced-url
• 1100[09:32:00] <gunix> nothing relevant before the reboot
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• 1104[09:33:37] <gunix> and this: reboot system boot 4.9.0-4-amd64 Sat Oct 21 04:33 still running
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• 1127[09:45:52] <durg> hmm surprisingly there does not seem to be much about shutting down and restarting in the logs in general
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• 1130[09:46:52] <durg> maybe there are some acpi events?
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• 1132[09:48:04] <pikaro> durg, you're running systemd, checking logs is a bit more complex than it used to be now: replaced-url
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• 1134[09:55:11] <durg> good point, thanks
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• 1136[09:55:56] <durg> journalctl --list-boots only shows the current boot though, so i guess logging between boots is not enabled by default
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• 1139[09:58:43] <durg> i guess i'll get rid of systemd, it is quite annoying
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• 1267[11:30:33] <hipodilski> hi guys I know this might be not the right place to ask but i'll try
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• 1269[11:30:59] <hipodilski> I'm trying to fix squirrelmail that's running on replaced-url
• 1270[11:31:09] <hipodilski> Unable to start TLS.my domain runs with certbot certificate
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• 1272[11:31:26] <hipodilski> in mail.log I get this imapd: couriertls: accept: error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert unknown ca
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• 1277[11:37:14] <gunix> durg: i kept searching but still found nothing. also journalctl --system gives info since reboot, not before
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• 1287[11:41:32] <gotogoat> #flood
• 1288[11:41:37] <gotogoat> hello anyone there?
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• 1290[11:42:12] <gotogoat> hello robotroll
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• 1294[11:44:28] <gotogoat> why doesn't anyone talk on here?
• 1295[11:44:33] <mr__tea> hi gotogoat
• 1296[11:44:41] <gotogoat> i mean isnt that the whole point of this protocol?
• 1297[11:44:43] <mr__tea> you like goatsM
• 1298[11:44:56] <gotogoat> hey mr_tea
• 1299[11:45:07] <gunix> helldorado: gotogoat
• 1300[11:45:19] <gotogoat> meh. i just made the name up
• 1301[11:45:22] <gotogoat> on the spot
• 1302[11:45:44] <gunix> helldorado: sorry i wanted to say hello to gotogoat and autocomplete wrote your name :)
• 1303[11:46:00] <gunix> gotogoat: where do you have to go .. at ?
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• 1306[11:46:36] <gotogoat> im not sure what you mean gunix
• 1307[11:46:56] <mr__tea> how is your debian doing gotogoat ?
• 1308[11:47:09] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic is the chat channel gotogoat
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• 1310[11:48:04] <gotogoat> my debian is going good. i love the stability. hows yours?
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• 1317[11:54:53] <durg> gunix: yes, unfortunately is seems to only log only after the last boot by default
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• 1319[11:55:20] <gunix> gotogoat: your name is "got to go at" ... i asked you where you have to go
• 1320[11:56:28] <durg> maybe it is a programming goat that likes goto
• 1321[11:57:08] <gotogoat> oh i get it now. i thought of my name as go-to-goat. not really any reason why i put it as my nickname. lol
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• 1332[12:00:05] <teraflops> goats are neat, far better than super powered cows or even ponies
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• 1338[12:00:39] <gotogoat> Not as powerful as cowsay.
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• 1342[12:01:09] <natonel1958> bonjour vous
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• 1349[12:02:38] <gotogoat> fortune | cowsay
• 1350[12:02:40] <matpower> Excuse me, but is there something wrong with Debian mirrors? Specifically, the ftp.br.debian one, it takes a while to get headers and it often dies when I try to download a package from it
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• 1352[12:03:59] <hexnewbie> matpower: My local mirror tends to die often (it happens to be managed by incompetent colleagues at my university, I usually hear a juicy story after I can't upgrade my Debian), at no fault of Debian. I then usually temporarily switch to a mirror in a nearby country.
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• 1354[12:05:20] <gotogoat> I have I had those problems with Debian mirrors as well. Sometimes your local mirror is not the best to connect to anyway.
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• 1356[12:05:26] <matpower> Yeah, I swapped to UFPR mirror for now
• 1357[12:05:52] <matpower> It has been a while since I had trouble with the primary mirror, so I was wondering if something was up
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• 1359[12:07:05] <gotogoat> what do you mean by primary mirror?
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• 1362[12:07:35] <matpower> replaced-url
• 1363[12:07:40] <matpower> Like ftp.br.debian.org
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• 1366[12:07:58] <matpower> Secondary ones are like alcateia.ufscar.br for example
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• 1368[12:08:50] <gotogoat> Is there something wrong with the primary mirrors? weren't you just talking about you're local mirrors that were disfunctional?
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• 1377[12:10:21] <matpower> I was talking about the primary mirror being weird, at least the Brazilian one
• 1378[12:10:50] <matpower> I replaced them with a secondary local mirror that seems fine atm
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• 1384[12:12:10] <hexnewbie> matpower: That's not a primary mirror, just the default for your country. Debian are in not charge of those mirrors, even if they trusted the operator of the mirror to place them as default for your country. In my case, one of a respected (government-owned?) institution was selected instead of 4-5 ran by a local ISP or ‘some guy’ (which seems reasonable). Of course, some guy's mirror never dies, but when someone unplugs the official
• 1385[12:12:10] <hexnewbie> one by accident, you need to file paperwork to get it reconnected and get threatened with legal action if you go into the room and attach the cable. :)
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• 1389[12:14:43] <matpower> I see :p Well, I will keep the mirrors swapped for now then
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• 1392[12:15:31] <gotogoat> I heard china is really good.
• 1393[12:15:43] <gotogoat> you would think so.
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• 1395[12:15:55] <gotogoat> not sure though.
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• 1452[12:45:01] <samsara> good afternoon, I'm trying to install debian but I keep getting a message saying there are no firmwares for the wifi
• 1453[12:45:19] <samsara> I also tried installing the non-free firmware dvd, and I'm still getting the same issue
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• 1455[12:46:28] <SirLagz> samsara: ignore it, install firmware after installign debian
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• 1457[12:47:00] <samsara> the question is wether I'll be able to use the wifi to install it or not, I currently don't have the possibility to use ethernet
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• 1461[12:47:35] <SirLagz> samsara: if you're using the DVD, you'll be able to install most of it
• 1462[12:48:12] <SirLagz> samsara: it's only really an issue if you're using the netboot installer. Once installed, you'll need to enable the non-free repositories and install the firmware packages
• 1463[12:48:30] <SirLagz> samsara: depend on your WiFi card, it may or may not work without the firmware.
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• 1465[12:49:14] <samsara> SirLagz, ok. Suppose it won't work, how can I solve the issue?
• 1466[12:49:22] <samsara> thanks for your time btw
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• 1468[12:50:00] <SirLagz> samsara: download the binary firmware packages on another machine, and transfer it over via USB?
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• 1471[12:50:49] <SirLagz> samsara: happy to help.
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• 1475[12:51:32] <gotogoat> hello gotogoat is back!!! wooooo!!!
• 1476[12:51:38] <samsara> SirLagz would you be willing to help me with that? I'm not sure how I should do it
• 1477[12:52:05] <SirLagz> samsara: sure. but we'll need debian installed first before we can do that.
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• 1480[12:53:31] <samsara> Oh.. damn! Hmmm then I think I won't be able to do it at the moment because I didn't install debian yet
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• 1482[12:53:48] <matpower> Well, do you have another OS?
• 1483[12:54:00] <samsara> I don't have another PC I can use
• 1484[12:54:12] <SirLagz> samsara: well, go ahead and try to install Debian then. with the non-free firmware dvd, you'll probably already have the packages on the DVD
• 1485[12:54:19] <matpower> Do you have a phone, a SD card and a reader for it?
• 1486[12:54:26] <matpower> You can load the firmware before install from another media
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• 1488[12:54:46] <samsara> I tried the non-free firmware dvd and I get the same error :(
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• 1490[12:55:08] <SirLagz> samsara: it may need to be enabled after the install...I haven't used the non-free firmware DVD before so I'm not too sure on that point.
• 1491[12:55:08] <matpower> Is it the iwlwifi one?
• 1492[12:55:35] <matpower> Sometimes the non-free disc works alright for me, sometimes it still asks for the firmware
• 1493[12:55:36] <samsara> Yes!
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• 1495[12:55:51] <matpower> I had this issue with iwlwifi when I installed it on my X220
• 1496[12:55:54] <samsara> It's that one..
• 1497[12:56:04] <SirLagz> samsara: you have a X220?
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• 1499[12:56:42] <matpower> replaced-url
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• 1501[12:56:59] <matpower> You can install it directly from the installer or install it after it is done
• 1502[12:57:05] <matpower> You just need to have it downloaded beforehand
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• 1509[13:03:40] <samsara> Alright
• 1510[13:03:54] <samsara> thank you very much SirLagz and matpower
• 1511[13:04:13] <SirLagz> samsara: no problems
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• 1516[13:07:24] <matpower> I'm glad to help
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• 1528[13:17:01] <tdn> Is it safe to run "diskscan" utility on a mounted disk (root fs of running system) ?
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• 1533[13:18:26] <SpeedyG> hi, i'm fiddling a bit with preseed.cfg files but when I try to load it off a webserver, the server first gives an 301 (moved permanently) and only serves the file after that. However, the installer cannot seem to handle that and simply says it cannot load the file... any options I can provide to either ignore that moved permanently (or follow it? )
• 1534[13:18:50] <SirLagz> SpeedyG: why does the webserver present a 301?
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• 1539[13:19:36] <SpeedyG> SirLagz: dunno, thats what I got from the logs... first a 301 and then a 200 (when trying with a browser)
• 1540[13:19:41] <SirLagz> SpeedyG: oh right
• 1541[13:20:03] <SpeedyG> when the installer tries to access the same file, it simply stops at the 301 and does not follow it..
• 1542[13:20:10] <SirLagz> SpeedyG: if it were me, I'd just fix the webserver.
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• 1545[13:20:39] <torify_> Hello. I've just tried to upgrade from Debian 8 to Debian 9 following this guide: replaced-url
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• 1547[13:20:56] <SpeedyG> well for all other stuff the server works perfectly, hate to break what aint broken ;)
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• 1549[13:21:16] <SirLagz> torify_: I had the same issue with the 4.9.0-4 kernel. I reverted back to an older kernel and it worked for me...not sure if you have the same issue as me though
• 1550[13:21:19] <SpeedyG> (or at least not severly broken :) )
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• 1552[13:21:55] <torify_> SirLagz: really? how can I revert back to an older kernel?
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• 1554[13:22:12] <SpeedyG> unless you removed it, that should still be possible
• 1555[13:22:17] <SirLagz> torify_: well, I already had one installed. Do you still have any of your old kernels installed?
• 1556[13:22:25] <SpeedyG> using advanced boot and then select the older kernels
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• 1558[13:22:28] <SpeedyG> (from grub)
• 1559[13:22:29] <SirLagz> torify_: what SpeedyG said.
• 1560[13:22:34] <SirLagz> SpeedyG: beat me to it ;P
• 1561[13:22:49] <SpeedyG> haha, you're laggy and i'm speedy ;)
• 1562[13:22:52] <SirLagz> :D
• 1563[13:23:19] <torify_> SpeedyG: I guess. The thing is right now I can't access the system. I have no idea on how to revert the kernel. I just followed the guide that I sent. Should I power off?
• 1564[13:23:25] <SirLagz> bah. I give up on this Cisco router. it can wait for another day.
• 1565[13:23:26] <SirLagz> torify_: yeah, just power off
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• 1567[13:23:45] <SirLagz> torify_: when you boot back up, the Grub menu will have advanced options. in there will be your older kernels
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• 1570[13:24:06] <matpower> If GRUB doesn't show up, hold SHIFT while booting
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• 1572[13:24:16] <matpower> And it should appear
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• 1574[13:24:49] <torify_> SirLagz: just powered off. The system is suddenly loading though I get Failed to Load Kernel Modules
• 1575[13:25:38] <SirLagz> torify_: I guess you were more patient than me then. I just reverted lol
• 1576[13:26:32] <matpower> Failed to load kernel modules, hmm
• 1577[13:26:55] <matpower> Do you use any proprietary driver or some kind of external module?
• 1578[13:27:11] <torify_> matpower: I hope not
• 1579[13:27:27] <matpower> Well, it is fixable most of the time lol
• 1580[13:27:39] <matpower> I think you can check what failed through systemd
• 1581[13:28:01] <torify_> I managed to log in but everything is really weird. Icons are huge and terminal doesn't have any of my custom preferences
• 1582[13:29:25] <matpower> Try running "systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service" in your terminal
• 1583[13:30:16] <matpower> Or just check the journalctl if that fails
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• 1585[13:30:47] <torify__> sorry for that
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• 1588[13:31:35] <Orbstheorem> Hi, I'm running a program which SIGSEVs in a library provided by a package, unfortunatelly the library ships without debug symbols. I'm quite new with the debian packaging system (but I hope my experience packaging for arch will help).
• 1589[13:31:36] <Orbstheorem> I downloaded the source package and added "-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug" to the rules file and ran `dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us` but the libraries in the generated binary packages still don't contain the debug symbols. Can you think on something obvious I'm not seing?
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• 1594[13:32:35] <torify__> so, any idea what's wrong?
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• 1596[13:32:56] <torify__> what systemd commands should I run to figure out what went wrong?
• 1597[13:33:31] <matpower> systemctl status systemd-modules-load should tell what failed
• 1598[13:33:57] <matpower> If that doesn't help you, you gotta read the journal and see what is wrong using the journalctl command
• 1599[13:34:12] <matpower> Usually, what went wrong is written in red
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• 1607[13:38:08] <gotogoat> whois debian
• 1608[13:38:15] <gotogoat> sorry
• 1609[13:38:20] <ziGuy> Hi, I've replaced my video card and monitor and need some help with the configuration, anyone available?
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• 1611[13:38:42] <torify_> as you can see my connection is not the best either
• 1612[13:38:43] <SirLagz> ziGuy: can you see things on the monitor?
• 1613[13:38:59] <ziGuy> yes, but not the optimal resolution
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• 1615[13:39:11] <SirLagz> ziGuy: login and change the resolution ?
• 1616[13:39:14] <ziGuy> "unknown display"
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• 1619[13:39:26] <ziGuy> video card is ati hd 5000 se
• 1620[13:39:27] <ziGuy> ries
• 1621[13:39:36] <torify_> SirLagz: when running "systemctl status systemd-modules-load" I get "Failed to Load Kernel Modules", should I simply reboot and use another kernel?
• 1622[13:39:49] <SirLagz> torify_: does it say which kernel modules?
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• 1624[13:39:59] <ziGuy> max res is 1280x1024, i need 1920x1080
• 1625[13:40:14] <SirLagz> ziGuy: what video card did you have before? what do you have now?
• 1626[13:40:30] <ziGuy> nvidia quadro
• 1627[13:40:32] <torify_> SirLagz: yes it does
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• 1629[13:40:44] <matpower> You might need to install firmware-amd-graphics, ziGuy
• 1630[13:40:46] <gotogoat> hello /me
• 1631[13:40:47] <SirLagz> torify_: paste the list up somewhere.
• 1632[13:40:53] <ziGuy> i did
• 1633[13:40:55] * gotogoat i am cool
• 1634[13:41:01] <SirLagz> gotogoat: yes. yes you are.
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• 1636[13:41:05] <torify_> SirLagz: what list? the error?
• 1637[13:41:17] <SirLagz> torify_: the list of modules that failed to load
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• 1641[13:41:54] <ziGuy> i did: aptitude reinstall firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
• 1642[13:41:54] <ziGuy> i did: aptitude reinstall firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
• 1643[13:41:54] <ziGuy> i did:
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• 1646[13:42:32] <SirLagz> ziGuy: is firmware-amd-graphics installed?
• 1647[13:42:37] <gotogoat> Sorry just testing out irc commands coz i am curious.
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• 1649[13:42:54] <SirLagz> gotogoat: never used IRC before?
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• 1651[13:43:15] <SirLagz> gotogoat: should probably move your testing to #debian-offtopic though :P
• 1652[13:43:21] <_torify_> SirLagz: replaced-url
• 1653[13:43:27] <ziGuy> yes, firmware-amd-graphics is installed
• 1654[13:43:44] <SirLagz> torify_: reinstall the nvidia kernel drivers?
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• 1656[13:43:53] <matpower> firmware-amd-graphics is a dependency of firmware-linux-nonfree, so it should be installed anyway
• 1657[13:44:07] <_torify_> SirLagz: how can I do that? should I look it up?
• 1658[13:44:09] <SirLagz> matpower: ah, wasn't sure. thought I'd double check lol
• 1659[13:44:22] <SirLagz> torify_: did you install the nvidia drivers initially with apt or from the nvidia website?
• 1660[13:44:39] <_torify_> SirLagz: don't think so
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• 1662[13:44:41] <gotogoat> thanks for the suggestion sirlagz
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• 1665[13:45:01] <SirLagz> torify_: that answer....made no sense. lol
• 1666[13:45:18] <_torify_> SirLagz: no, I didn't install nvidia drivers
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• 1668[13:45:42] <SirLagz> torify_: can you do a dpkg -l | grep nvidia to see if any nvidia packages are installed?
• 1669[13:46:20] <_torify_> SirLagz: replaced-url
• 1670[13:46:33] <ziGuy> for some reason lsmod rep video shows nouveau
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• 1672[13:46:46] <ziGuy> it wasn't like that before. what is the right way of changing it?
• 1673[13:47:01] <ziGuy> *grep
• 1674[13:47:37] <matpower> ziGuy: You went from a NVIDIA Quadro to an ATI Radeon HD 5000, right?
• 1675[13:47:37] <SirLagz> torify_: ok, so you do have nvidia drivers installed through apt
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• 1677[13:47:51] <ziGuy> right
• 1678[13:47:53] <SirLagz> torify_: reinstall them and hte kernel module loading issues should go away
• 1679[13:48:08] <SirLagz> torify_: aptitude reinstall nvidia-driver should do it
• 1680[13:48:22] <ziGuy> the line in /etc/modprobe.d/disable-nvidia.conf: options nouveau modeset=1 should be in comment?
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• 1683[13:50:10] <matpower> Hmm, did you have the proprietary NVIDIA drivers installed before?
• 1684[13:50:16] <ziGuy> yes
• 1685[13:50:31] <matpower> Well, try uninstalling them if you haven't yet
• 1686[13:50:44] <_torify_> SirLagz: done
• 1687[13:51:06] <matpower> And comment out that line that forces nouveau
• 1688[13:51:16] <_torify_> SirLagz: reboot?
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• 1690[13:51:37] <SirLagz> torify_: yeah
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• 1692[13:52:25] <ziGuy> i've got "There is no NVIDIA driver installed"
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• 1694[13:53:55] <matpower> Hmm, just comment out that line then
• 1695[13:54:04] <ziGuy> but it is
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• 1697[13:54:06] <torify_> SirLagz: damn, this looks bad
• 1698[13:54:12] <SirLagz> torify_: same thing?
• 1699[13:54:15] <ziGuy> along with blacklist nvidia
• 1700[13:54:26] <torify_> SirLagz: I got: Something went wrong, please log out and try again
• 1701[13:54:38] <ziGuy> i mean "blacklist nvidia" is not commented and "options nouveau modeset=1" is commented
• 1702[13:54:41] <torify_> it didn't even got to the login page
• 1703[13:54:54] <SirLagz> torify_: hmm...what video card do you have?
• 1704[13:55:00] <torify_> SirLagz: I did manage to read when booting up Failed to Load Kernel Modules
• 1705[13:55:21] <SirLagz> torify_: maybe uninstall all the nvidia drivers, then reboot, and see what happens?
• 1706[13:55:24] <torify_> SirLagz: I literally have no idea let me look it up
• 1707[13:55:33] <SirLagz> haha
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• 1709[13:55:59] <torify_> SirLagz: I've been running Debian 8 over a year now on my Mac
• 1710[13:56:07] <ziGuy> [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
• 1711[13:56:07] <ziGuy> in dmesg i've got: [drm:radeon_init] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
• 1712[13:56:14] <SirLagz> torify_: ereplaced-url
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• 1714[13:56:22] <ziGuy> not sure what it means
• 1715[13:56:25] <torify_> SirLagz: I know, don't judge me
• 1716[13:56:27] <SirLagz> haha
• 1717[13:56:49] <torify_> SirLagz: anyway, let me try to reload. Don't you think I should just change kernels?
• 1718[13:56:49] <ziGuy> but don't think it's bad
• 1719[13:56:55] <torify_> *reboot
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• 1723[13:57:30] <SirLagz> torify_: changing kernels might be easier, or it might not
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• 1725[13:58:31] <matpower> ziGuy: Do you have "nomodeset" somewhere in your configs?
• 1726[13:58:39] <torify_> SirLagz: alright, trying to reboot with the same kernel
• 1727[13:58:56] <ziGuy> where should i look for nomodeset?
• 1728[13:59:02] <ziGuy> modprobe.d/*?
• 1729[13:59:30] <matpower> Things like "nomodeset", "radeon.modeset=0" and "options radeon modeset=0" in grub config and modprobe.d
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• 1731[13:59:59] <matpower> GRUB config should be in /etc/default/grub IIRC
• 1732[14:00:14] <torify_> SirLagz: apparently I'm also getting: Failed to start rc.local. Compatibility.
• 1733[14:00:48] <torify_> SirLagz: Oh no, something went wrong. I problem occurred and can't recover. Please log out and try again.
• 1734[14:00:52] <matpower> After you edit it, run update-grub
• 1735[14:00:56] <ziGuy> i've got in /etc/default/grub : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
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• 1737[14:01:12] <torify_> SirLagz: it seems like I'm going to have to change kernels, doesn't it?
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• 1739[14:01:24] <SirLagz> torify_: does your X log file show anything?
• 1740[14:01:33] <SirLagz> torify_: have you uninstalled all the nvidia drivers now?
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• 1742[14:01:58] <torify_> SirLagz: I can't. I can't get access to a prompt
• 1743[14:02:06] <SirLagz> torify_: ctrl-alt-f1 ?
• 1744[14:02:14] <SirLagz> or whatever the mac keyboard equivalent is
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• 1746[14:02:28] <matpower> Yeah, remove that nomodeset and I think it should remove the error
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• 1748[14:02:53] <ziGuy> ok, rebooting... brb
• 1749[14:02:54] <matpower> Apparently, AMD GPUs only support KMS nowadays
• 1750[14:03:13] <ziGuy> it's pretty old card i think
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• 1754[14:03:34] <torify_> SirLagz: that doesn't seem to work
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• 1756[14:03:42] <SirLagz> torify_: cmd-alt-f1?
• 1757[14:04:43] <SirLagz> torify_: or f2
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• 1759[14:04:58] <torify_> SirLagz: my mac keyboard is bluetooth so it's not working. I'm using a windows keyboard connected by cable
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• 1764[14:05:15] <torify_> SirLagz: I have to go, may I pm you?
• 1765[14:05:24] <SirLagz> torify_: no problems, I'm about to head out to dinner anyway
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• 1768[14:06:20] <samsara> Hey I downloaded and placed the non-free firmware on my usb pen but it doesn't change anything - it still gives me the same issue, the non-free firmwares cannot be located strangely
• 1769[14:06:43] <SirLagz> samsara: have you installed the firmware?
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• 1771[14:07:02] <ziGuy> matpower, you are a genius! Thank you!
• 1772[14:07:33] <ziGuy> i'm not sure why it's using nouveau and not radeon but i'm cool with that i think
• 1773[14:07:38] <samsara> I placed the usb pen into the usb port but when the debian installation process asks for the firmware, it won't load or install them
• 1774[14:07:51] <ziGuy> my display is identified now and all native resolutions
• 1775[14:08:08] <matpower> It shouldn't be using nouveau anymore, I hope
• 1776[14:08:12] <samsara> it just keeps asking if I want to load the firmwares from a device.. as if the firmware cannot be located or someting
• 1777[14:08:23] <SirLagz> samsara: what files did you put onto the USB stick?
• 1778[14:08:46] <SirLagz> samsara: and have you actually tried just ignoring the firmware message and just installing Debian from the DVD?
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• 1780[14:09:17] <ziGuy> lsmod | grep video => video 18096 1 nouveau.
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• 1782[14:09:40] <ziGuy> what do u think? i'm happy with the result, do u want to work on this anyway?
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• 1790[14:13:39] <matpower> Well, check if your 3D performance is good, and you can backlist nouveau if needed later
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• 1797[14:16:59] <ziGuy> Thanks a lot. good day to you all
• 1798[14:17:08] <ziGuy> Amazing ppl
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• 1808[14:28:29] <ahmed751995> excuse me i can't remove specific package every time i try to remove it i get (Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ) any solution?
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• 1810[14:30:25] <jelly> ahmed751995: which debian release are you running and which package in particular? Pastebin your complete command and the full output,
• 1811[14:30:29] <jelly> !paste
• 1812[14:30:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1814[14:31:00] <samsara> matpower, SirLagz, replaced-url
• 1815[14:31:05] <samsara> this is the firmware I installed
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• 1818[14:31:54] <rawruw> should you use apt-get to install an rpm?
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• 1820[14:32:14] <ahmed751995> jelly: i am running debian 9 , package tuxcut , and the full output replaced-url
• 1821[14:33:38] <jelly> rawruw: since that's not possible, no
• 1822[14:34:19] <jelly> ,v tuxcut
• 1823[14:34:20] <judd> No package named 'tuxcut' was found in amd64.
• 1824[14:34:26] <rawruw> jelly: is an .rpm basically just a tarball with some metadata?
• 1825[14:34:52] <SirLagz> samsara: you installed as in you copied onto the USB stick? or installed as in you've installed debian and are now installing the firmware on the Debian install you've done?
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• 1828[14:35:33] <ahmed751995> judd: it's not in debians repo i installed it locally
• 1829[14:35:36] <jelly> ahmed751995: looks like that package has broken installation/removal scripts. You can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/tuxcut.prerm carefully, find the line that does "rm /usr/bin/run-tuxcut", comment it out, save, exit and try again
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• 1833[14:36:09] <samsara> Yes I copied it into the USB stick SirLagz
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• 1836[14:36:50] <samsara> the debian installer asked if I wanted to load the missing firmware and I said yes, but it couldn't locate them
• 1837[14:37:02] <SirLagz> samsara: you might need the actual firmware blobs within the package to be on the USB stick. I'm not too sure how the installer handles deb files.
• 1838[14:37:15] <jelly> rawruw: sure. But it's not made for your distro and installing it whichever way might cause other issues. Having said that, look at the alien tool to convert it to .deb if you absolutely have to install it.
• 1839[14:37:20] <SirLagz> samsara: can you install Debian *without* installing the firmware first?
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• 1841[14:37:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell rawruw about alien
• 1842[14:37:42] <matpower> It should just detect the deb file, SirLagz
• 1843[14:37:48] <SirLagz> matpower: ah right
• 1844[14:37:52] <SirLagz> matpower: hx
• 1845[14:37:54] <SirLagz> matpower: er, thanks.
• 1846[14:38:04] <jelly> samsara: I always forget how adding firmware on the side works, but there's a different option:
• 1847[14:38:08] <jelly> !firmware images
• 1848[14:38:08] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 1850[14:38:20] <SirLagz> never fear, jelly is here!
• 1851[14:38:33] <matpower> I usually keep it together with my install media, so I never had issues loading it during install
• 1852[14:38:36] <ahmed751995> jelly: thanks a lot it removed
• 1853[14:38:38] <samsara> SirLagz yes, I will try installing debian without firmware first. If it doesn't work I will come back hee
• 1854[14:38:42] <samsara> here*
• 1855[14:38:52] <SirLagz> I've always just installed Debian first, then installed the firmware afterwards
• 1856[14:39:49] <samsara> Alright, I will do that, thank you SirLagz
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• 1863[14:41:24] <testeneu> Hi....cant start gnome after update...got this error(dmesg) gnome-session-f[4751]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f49367cde19 sp 00007fff464f21d0 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7f49364eb000+700000]....any ideas?
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• 1865[14:41:44] <abrotman> update of what to what? Which version of Debian?
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• 1867[14:42:18] <testeneu> uname -a
• 1868[14:42:18] <testeneu> Linux debian 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1870[14:43:14] <jelly> that'd be debian 9 with a slightly out of date kernel
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• 1873[14:43:44] <Droid2Debian> Yea whell Custom kernels are better Linux HP-EB8470w 4.13.8 #2 SMP Fri Oct 20 10:40:22 PDT 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1874[14:43:58] <jelly> better for what
• 1875[14:44:02] <matpower> tfw backports are still on 4.12
• 1876[14:44:37] <matpower> Anyway, in theory nothing changed in libgtk3
• 1877[14:44:48] <testeneu> mmmmh
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• 1882[14:46:29] <rawruw> jelly: what do you use to install .deb then?
• 1883[14:46:42] <rawruw> jelly: wow.. I'm tired. I'll google that.
• 1884[14:46:51] <testeneu> kernel is not outdated: see here : apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)
• 1885[14:46:51] <testeneu> linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64:
• 1886[14:46:51] <testeneu> Installiert: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5
• 1887[14:46:51] <testeneu> Installationskandidat: 4.9.30-2+deb9u5
• 1888[14:46:51] <testeneu> Versionstabelle:
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• 1895[14:49:44] <themill> testeneu: yes, that would be an outdated kernel because uname -r has changed. The current is linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64.
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• 1898[14:51:59] <Droid2Debian> The latest kernel is the 4.13.X series
• 1899[14:52:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell testeneu about 9.2
• 1900[14:52:11] <testeneu> but not in stable...
• 1901[14:52:20] <jelly> Droid2Debian: the context is stretch
• 1902[14:52:22] <matpower> Latest kernel for Debian Stable is 4.9.0.4
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• 1905[14:53:27] <testeneu> got linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 (4.9.51-1) but it didnt help me out ....gnome ist still not running ..mmmh?!
• 1906[14:53:29] <jelly> testeneu: you'll have to do an apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade to get all the patches this time; might not fix your issue, but it's a step forward
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• 1920[15:02:44] <Droid2Debian> testeneu, Ithat's just the verrsion of the kernel, you might have a configuration/hardware issue
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• 1929[15:06:30] <testeneu> @Droid2Debian I know....but i think a segfault is not a configuration issue....hardware is fine and running
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• 1937[15:10:36] <maxzor> Hello, its rather related to KDE, but is konsole output history stored by default on stretch?
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• 1940[15:11:29] <maxzor> I ran a program (sandsifter), I suspect that it crashed, but the output goes out of konsole size.
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• 1943[15:12:01] <themill> it is not stored unless you configure it to be
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• 1948[15:14:37] <maxzor> yes got it, thank you. guess ill just rerun that 8-hour program :)
• 1949[15:15:27] <themill> sounds like it needs to learn to do proper logging
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• 1951[15:16:58] <maxzor> or me to learn where the error log is!
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• 1959[15:19:10] <testeneu> thank for your help @all....bye
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• 1966[15:21:06] <Cerebr0> Hi ! I'm currently developping a game in commandline and i wanted to post it on severall sites to get feedbacks and advices (and help maybe), it there a way to build a .deb to avoid dependancy problems ?
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• 1968[15:22:05] <sillyslux> with `kvm -m 1G -hdc /dev/sdc -boot c -snapshot` it runs without errors but changes are not persistent, `kvm -m 1G -hdc /dev/sdc -boot c` gives warnings when it starts
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• 1975[15:24:07] <sillyslux> there might be easier options though
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• 1999[15:36:55] <sillyslux> ah this is working `kvm -m 1G -drive file=/dev/sdc,format=raw`
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• 2030[15:53:13] <Fallenour> hey does anyone have any experienc with ipmitool or freeipmi?
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• 2038[15:55:40] <RoyK> !ask | Fallenour
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• 2041[15:57:04] <Fallenour> RoyK, I am trying to build a virtual ipmi instance so I can use MAAS to deploy openstack via virtualbox that automatically deploys an entire openstack instance with virtualbox, and I need ipmi to work to allow for MAAS to work.
• 2042[15:57:32] <Fallenour> I keep getting an error for /dev/ipmi0 not existing, and then ipmi_si not existing, and it keeps flip flopping on me, which is confusing me
• 2043[15:57:55] <RoyK> sorry - no idea - but why virtualbox? kvm is more common
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• 2046[15:58:35] <Fallenour> RoyK, I couldnt find anything for kvm for building ipmi with. if I can build it on kvm, I prefer to, but ill take what I can get to be honest.
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• 2050[16:00:16] <RoyK> Fallenour: as for IPMI, I said I don't know. I was just curious why you would be using vbox
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• 2052[16:00:52] <Fallenour> RoyK, oh! I automated building systems and doing resource checks with virtualbox already, so Im trying to recycle code :P
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• 2063[16:07:51] <Droid2Debian> How do Imjoin on to the debian kernel maintainer team?
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• 2080[16:14:09] <matpower> Droid2Debian: Why do you want to join the kernel team btw?
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• 2100[16:23:20] <Fallenour> matpower, to absorb god-like powers of course
• 2101[16:23:50] * matpower is thinking
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• 2104[16:24:15] <Fallenour> matpower, why else would you cast yourself into hellfire-like torment, only to be crushed into a diamond by the pressures of the kernel bits,a nd the purifying heat of patch cycles
• 2105[16:25:00] <matpower> idk man, maybe he is just bored
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• 2108[16:26:16] <Fallenour> matpower, he might need an eval then, thats some serious level of self-hate, or he earnestly wants to push himself to the next extreme
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• 2110[16:26:18] <nvz> Droid2Debian: becomming a DM/DD is a lengthy process and its all explained in detail on the website, you need to find a mentor first and usually they prefer to meet someone in person before they go handing over keys to the repos
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• 2114[16:26:35] <nvz> !mentor
• 2115[16:26:35] <dpkg> it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
• 2116[16:26:51] <Fallenour> nvz, Id be happy if I could find a strong mentor to teach me WHY linux works, not just that it does.
• 2117[16:27:35] <matpower> I have a feeling that he wants to push kernel 4.13 to stable considering our previous conversation
• 2118[16:27:47] <nvz> Fallenour: I'd bought the 2.4 version of O'Reilly's Understanding The Linux Kernel many years ago and found it very informative.. they did a really good job at tearing the kernel apart and explaining the how it works stuff
• 2119[16:28:03] <Fallenour> nvz, AAAnnnd...SOLD!
• 2120[16:28:10] <matpower> O'Reilly wrote a book about Linux? I need to check that out ASAP
• 2121[16:28:30] <Fallenour> ./sigh
• 2122[16:28:49] <nvz> they of course have issues keeping a current version out cause the development moves so fast and they are doing a very comprehensive explaination of it..
• 2123[16:28:58] <Fallenour> error: unable to establish ipmi v2 / rmcp+ session. so close to building a virtual ipmi instance, yet so far away
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• 2125[16:29:18] <nvz> usually by time they make a new revision the branch of the kernel they're explaining is already being phased out
• 2126[16:29:30] <matpower> It is still relevant in some ways, no?
• 2127[16:29:46] <nvz> but considering how detailed it is, yes it would be a good starting point and would be still mostly relevant
• 2128[16:29:47] <matpower> The underlying system doesn't change too much to make everything unless, or does it?
• 2129[16:30:03] <Fallenour> matpower, nvz I honestly am kinda curious now, what exactly is the process of becoming a formal debian developer/maintainer, aside from the mentor program?
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• 2133[16:31:50] <nvz> once you get a mentor and they observe your work packaging as I mentioned, they generally want to meet you in person then you get your keys added to the repo. is the basic overview of the process.. find mentor, do good work, meet the other devs, get your keys uploaded to the servers
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• 2135[16:32:18] <Fallenour> wait..you mean I actually have to BUILD a package?
• 2136[16:32:59] <nvz> Fallenour: of course.. they have to observe your work for some time and they check it and upload on your behalf.. they want to make sure you know wth you're doing before they let you go run wild on the repos
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• 2138[16:33:36] <matpower> It seems like a well-designed system
• 2139[16:33:46] <Fallenour> Im like a lvl 5 wizard to those guys. pretty much a summon monster lvl 3 for them. Im not worth the spell points unless they are just bored at the tavern and have a few fireball spells left over and need some entertainment in the downtime
• 2140[16:34:12] <matpower> Hell, even the key part requires meeting IRL in order to make it trustworthy
• 2141[16:34:49] <Fallenour> nvz, the closest thing to a package I could push would be what im bulding now, which is a localized automated openstack deployment with built in pxebooting and virtualized IPMI management.
• 2142[16:35:02] <nvz> yes as a general rule FOSS projects want to establish trust and see demonstration of your ability and level of interest before they let you go doing anything major
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• 2145[16:35:33] <nvz> and considering Debian is a project with over 50,000 packages used by millions of people.. trust is of paramount concern
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• 2153[16:36:55] <nvz> in fact in recent years policies have changed and systems have be modified so that your average DM only has access to their stuff not the whole repository
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• 2156[16:37:40] <Fallenour> Ok, so now im curious
• 2157[16:37:48] <nvz> a great deal of vetting is done even once you're a DM if you're interested in working in new areas
• 2158[16:38:06] <Fallenour> So that means -demi gods -auxillary gods -pantheon gods
• 2159[16:38:19] <Fallenour> so now I gotta know, whos effectively Zeus of Debian?
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• 2163[16:38:45] <Fallenour> dir
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• 2166[16:39:51] <nvz> Fallenour: Chris Lamb
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• 2168[16:42:17] <Fallenour> ooh my lord...
• 2169[16:42:21] <Fallenour> that guy
• 2170[16:42:26] <Fallenour> is like whoa
• 2171[16:42:34] <Fallenour> replaced-url
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• 2190[16:44:32] <matpower> Heh, he censored Brainfuck
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• 2196[16:47:09] <nvz> yeah I emailed him yesterday I think it was and he'd gotten back to me in under an hour despite all he's working on
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• 2200[16:48:59] <matpower> Man, I hope to get close to his level someday
• 2201[16:49:07] <matpower> Right now I am barely a newbie
• 2202[16:49:31] <SirLagz> matpower: we all have to start somewhere!
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• 2208[16:51:19] <nvz> I always liked Tim Riker personally, he's similarly skilled and involved in things but he's not as much the type to censor BRAINF***. heh. I see his online resume as like a big middle finger telling people do piss off if they're not serious
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• 2210[16:52:39] <nvz> however if you guys want to continue to discuss this stuff I'd recommend joining #debian-offtopic as there is nothing support related in this discussion
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• 2213[16:53:38] <matpower_temp> Will do in a few
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• 2216[16:53:49] <porter_> great point there nvz
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• 2222[16:55:48] <johnkeates> if you last name is Riker, the least you could do is make sure you name all your kids William T.
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• 2225[16:56:43] <johnkeates> by the way, sometimes during a Jessie->Stretch update, /etc/debian_version vs. the login prompt show different things
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• 2228[16:57:06] <johnkeates> which also affects Salt's oscodename grain since it doesn't know if it's sid, stretch or jessie
• 2229[16:57:51] <johnkeates> i suppose the version is controlled by at least some base files package and a flag or something set by dpkg/apt when you install sid packages in a non-sid version (creating a frankendebian)
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• 2237[17:01:18] <testeneu> hi...
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• 2242[17:03:23] <testeneu> if someone is interested, why gnome is bringing a segfault...after apt-get upgrade i have to reinstall the nvidia firmware...after that...everthing was fine....
• 2243[17:03:24] <jelly> johnkeates: this happens every time late in the freeze
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• 2245[17:04:00] <matpower> NVIDIA strikes again, why am I not surprised
• 2246[17:04:25] <johnkeates> jelly: hmm, makes sense now that you mention it
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• 2295[17:23:49] <k_j> hi
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• 2299[17:24:57] <k_j> Is there a tutorial about how to: 1. build binary .deb packages and 2. create a repository for the users to download the packages?
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• 2307[17:28:46] <jak2000> hi all how to remove nginx? i try: apt remove nginx but not removed continue display the initial webpage....
• 2308[17:28:47] <nvz> k_j: see /msg dpkg packaging howto and /msg dpkg own repository
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• 2312[17:30:44] <nvz> k_j: fwiw found those doing /msg dpkg listkeys packaging and /msg dpkg listkeys repository
• 2313[17:31:18] <k_j> nvz, thx
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• 2320[17:34:58] <nvz> jak2000: you may also need to apt-get autoremove as that package depends on others that probably provide the actual server
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• 2322[17:35:22] <jak2000> nvz ok, thanks
• 2323[17:35:24] <nvz> jak2000: or do apt-get remove nginx*
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• 2328[17:38:42] <jak2000> thnks
• 2329[17:38:43] <jak2000> better
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• 2356[17:54:45] <SpeedyG> purge works even better, as it also removes all config files and other leftovers
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• 2386[18:10:04] <testeneu> @SpeedyG "...as it also removes all config files..." thats just a myth...
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• 2408[18:19:17] <jelly> testeneu: purge action by policy removes any remaining files marked as conffile. If there are leftovers, that's considered a bug
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• 2413[18:20:59] <testeneu> @jelly ... yes by policy...but it never works...on all systems...so its a myth
• 2414[18:21:22] <phogg> it's a bug, not a myth
• 2415[18:21:52] <testeneu> or a feature ? :-)
• 2416[18:21:57] <jelly> testeneu: that's not what being a "myth" means.
• 2417[18:22:05] <jelly> any meaning thereof
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• 2420[18:23:06] <jelly> in any case, it;s not hard to fix such bugs so they usually do get fixed
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• 2422[18:23:18] <phogg> jelly: ... if they are reported
• 2423[18:23:26] <jelly> duh
• 2424[18:23:38] <phogg> if you give up and say "I guess it doesn't work" when you see it then of course it stays broken
• 2425[18:24:26] <testeneu> it is broken more than 5 years??
• 2426[18:24:37] <jelly> testeneu, what "it"?
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• 2428[18:24:57] <testeneu> the "purge" function
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• 2430[18:25:10] <jelly> testeneu, do you have an example in mind? Which package, which config file path?
• 2431[18:25:32] <phogg> testeneu: purge is not broken, but a specific package might have a bug
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• 2433[18:25:38] <testeneu> Apache2, mysql, mariadb. nginx, and so on
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• 2436[18:25:59] <jelly> testeneu, none of those leave leftover conffiles in place.
• 2437[18:26:09] <testeneu> yes sure
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• 2439[18:27:21] <jelly> testeneu, try it: go install apache2, then purge all the packages that contain /etc/apache2 direcory
• 2440[18:27:53] <testeneu> i have tried it many times at work....and it doesent work....for sure
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• 2447[18:30:01] <jelly> testeneu, on older releases, it's a common mistake to purge the same package that user installed, instead of the dependency that actually brought in conffiles. Eg. for debian 7 and apache, that would have been apache2.2-common; or do a dpkg -S /etc/apache2 and verify you've purged them all
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• 2452[18:31:20] <jelly> maybe haven't purged all the relevant bits, like that
• 2453[18:31:21] <testeneu> i have purge apache2 with all dependencies... and all config files are left in /etc/apache2....on Debian 7 ,debian8 and debian 9
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• 2455[18:31:51] <jelly> you'd have to prove it; it works for me
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• 2457[18:32:13] <^CeLL^> anyone to help me on a issue here
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• 2459[18:32:25] <jelly> !ask
• 2460[18:32:25] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2463[18:33:00] <^CeLL^> i'm runnin g wordpress on a raspberry and i'm getting some errors on a log
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• 2466[18:33:16] <^CeLL^> the log is located at var/replaced-url
• 2467[18:33:23] <^CeLL^> here's a copy
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• 2470[18:33:52] <^CeLL^> replaced-url
• 2471[18:33:56] <torify_> Hello. I've tried to upgrade Debian 8 to 9. Everything worked fine but when rebooting the system is not working. I'm getting: Oh no, a problem occurred. Please log out and try again. What should I do?
• 2472[18:34:09] <testeneu> @jelly that is what i call a myth :-) (apt-get purge -> removes configfiles)...
• 2473[18:34:11] <torify_> SirLagz: are you there?
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• 2475[18:34:44] <testeneu> @ torify...it is your x-server....nvidia installed??
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• 2477[18:35:23] <jelly> testeneu, works for me: replaced-url
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• 2481[18:35:43] <torify_> testeneu: yes. there was a point in which I could log in. A user from #debian told me to aptitude reinstall nvidia-(something I don't remember)
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• 2483[18:35:51] <torify_> testeneu: we figured I had everything installed
• 2484[18:35:57] <jelly> testeneu, moreover, it has always worked as expected since... like, debian 2.1
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• 2486[18:36:09] <^CeLL^> anyone?
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• 2489[18:36:51] <torify_> testeneu: any idea on what should I do?
• 2490[18:36:57] <petn-randall> ^CeLL^: If you're running raspbian you should be asking in their channel.
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• 2493[18:37:33] <testeneu> @jelly....i give it a try and hope you are right....i will tried @ work on monday and give you a feedback...
• 2494[18:37:34] <jelly> ^CeLL^, this looks like an application issue, and the line [Sat Oct 21 12:17:05.485002 2017] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 790:tid 1996230656] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Raspbian) mod_fastcgi/mod_fastcgi-SNAP-0910052141 conf$ ... suggests you're running Raspbian
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• 2500[18:38:32] <jelly> testeneu, if you can, avoid putting @ in front on nicknames on irc. It has a different meaning for irc than mere addressing.
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• 2503[18:38:51] <Brigo> jelly, has it?
• 2504[18:38:52] <jelly> ^CeLL^, the channel name is #raspbian
• 2505[18:39:03] <testeneu> @torify i would rebuild my xorg config...and then try again or reinstall nvidia...
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• 2507[18:39:29] <jelly> Brigo, sorry?
• 2508[18:39:37] <^CeLL^> i'm there now, thanks jelly
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• 2510[18:39:44] <testeneu> jelly ok!
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• 2514[18:40:36] <Brigo> jelly, has @ any meaning in irc?
• 2515[18:40:37] <torify_> testeneu: I don't know what 'rebuild my xorg config' means
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• 2518[18:40:51] <torify_> I have managed to boot into recovery mode and get a shell a root
• 2519[18:41:01] <torify_> I don't know what should I do from here
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• 2521[18:41:20] <torify_> apparently Load Kernel Modules is failing
• 2522[18:41:26] <jelly> Brigo, text based clients use it to mark channel operators in the nickname list
• 2523[18:41:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
• 2524[18:41:38] * jelly waves
• 2525[18:41:44] <jelly> like here
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• 2528[18:42:01] <Brigo> jelly, ah, rigth, i didnt' thing about it. Thanks
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• 2532[18:43:28] <torify_> can someone help me out, please?
• 2533[18:43:39] <testeneu> torify: do nvidia-xconfig as superuser or Xorg -configure maybe you have blacklist a module like nouveau...so if you have deinstalled nvidia you have to modprobe nouveau...
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• 2536[18:45:28] <jelly> torify_, can you log in at the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1)?
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• 2539[18:46:27] <torify_> jelly: haven't managed to do so
• 2540[18:46:56] <jelly> torify_, can you log in via ssh from a system in the same network?
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• 2542[18:47:19] <torify_> jelly: I have managed to boot into recovery mode and get a shell a root. when trying to run the command testeneu suggested "nvidia xconfig" I get "nvidia command not found"
• 2543[18:48:06] <jelly> they suggested nvidia-xconfig with a hyphen, but that is not needed if you've set up a config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
• 2544[18:48:12] <torify_> jelly: haven't tried. mainly because that is my only pc.
• 2545[18:48:53] <jelly> torify_, what does "uname -r" say?
• 2546[18:49:34] <torify_> jelly: 4.9.0-4-amd64
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• 2548[18:49:56] <jelly> torify_, and do you in fact need and have nvidia-kernel-dkms package installed?
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• 2550[18:50:22] <torify_> jelly: don't know, should I install them?
• 2551[18:50:34] <jelly> well, check first.
• 2552[18:50:57] <jelly> do you have it installed?
• 2553[18:51:22] <torify_> jelly: yes I do
• 2554[18:51:29] <torify_> newest version
• 2555[18:51:31] <jelly> good. Which gpu card do you have?
• 2556[18:51:49] <torify_> jelly: to be honest I have no idea, but I can figure it out
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• 2558[18:52:40] <torify_> jelly: pretty sure this is it: Intel Iris Pro graphics
• 2559[18:52:44] <torify_> don't know for sure
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• 2564[18:53:00] <jelly> torify_, lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 2565[18:53:18] <jelly> and
• 2566[18:53:22] <jelly> torify_, lspci -nn | grep Display
• 2567[18:53:24] <jelly> maybe
• 2568[18:53:26] <aedinius> Heh, I'm working on the same thing. Trying to get nvidia to work.
• 2569[18:53:33] <JordiGH> Is there no Debian package for the PHP docs?
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• 2571[18:53:46] <JordiGH> I would like to be able to consult the php stdlib docs offline.
• 2572[18:54:36] <aedinius> I have nvidia installed, and nouveau is blacklisted, but it looks like X is still trying to load nouveau. When I create a nvidia snippet for X conf it can't find the driver nvidia
• 2573[18:54:37] <torify_> jelly: VGA compatibble controller
• 2574[18:54:48] <torify_> Intel Corporation Device
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• 2576[18:55:10] <torify_> jelly: Display shows nothing
• 2577[18:55:24] <jelly> torify_, so you don't have a nvidia card at all
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• 2579[18:55:39] <torify_> apparently
• 2580[18:55:56] <torify_> jelly: it's kind of a long story but I'm using a Mac
• 2581[18:56:27] <jelly> torify_, does lsmod | grep i915 ... list anything?
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• 2584[18:57:05] <torify_> jelly: yes it does
• 2585[18:57:25] <JordiGH> Why does only oldstable have a php-docs package? replaced-url
• 2586[18:57:37] <jelly> ,v php-docs
• 2587[18:57:38] <judd> No package named 'php-docs' was found in amd64.
• 2588[18:57:44] <jelly> ,v php-doc
• 2589[18:57:45] <judd> Package: php-doc on amd64 -- wheezy: 20100521-2; jessie: 20140201-1
• 2590[18:57:59] <jelly> judd, bug rm php-doc
• 2591[18:58:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2592[18:58:17] <JordiGH> Oh, nobody maintained it.
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• 2594[18:58:18] <JordiGH> Dammit.
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• 2598[18:58:41] <torify_> jelly: i915 2; video 1 i915; i2c_algo_bit 1 i915; etc
• 2599[18:58:59] <jelly> torify_, so you got the kernel parts of gpu driver loaded right.
• 2600[18:59:26] <torify_> jelly: I don't know. When booting up I always get read text saying Failed to Load Kernel Modules
• 2601[18:59:52] <jelly> torify_, but those might be any kind of kernel modules. I'd first remove any nvidia closed source bits.
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• 2603[19:00:28] <torify_> jelly: apt-get purge nvidia-* ??
• 2604[19:00:28] <jelly> torify_, do you get lots of output with: aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
• 2605[19:00:33] <jelly> no.
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• 2607[19:01:03] <torify_> jelly: yes I do
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• 2610[19:01:28] <torify_> jelly: oh wait
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• 2613[19:01:59] <torify_> jelly: yes, yes I do
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• 2615[19:02:20] <k_j> guys from the guidelines I have read so far it's not clear if cross-building a binary package for a different architecture is possible or not with the standard procedure
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• 2619[19:02:52] <torify_> jelly: one of them is xserver-xorg-video-nvidia which I think someone mentioned earlier
• 2620[19:02:56] <jhutchins> k_j: Yes, it's possible, that's how you get the first working system on new hardware.
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• 2624[19:04:24] <jelly> torify_, ok so do the same thing but with purge instead of search: aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
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• 2628[19:05:40] <torify_> jelly: I get The following packages have unmet dependencies: [...] Install the following packages: [...] Accept this solution [y/n/q]
• 2629[19:06:00] <jelly> jhutchins, they're specifically asking about generating foreign .debs, which is a PITA
• 2630[19:06:31] <jelly> torify_, those ellipsis [...] are hiding the useful stuff.
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• 2633[19:07:07] <torify_> jelly: they are kind of long and complicated and as you can imagine I'm typing by hand
• 2634[19:07:14] <torify_> jelly: let me do my best sending them
• 2635[19:07:19] <jelly> torify_, q, then install pastebinit
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• 2640[19:08:13] <torify_> jelly: what the hell?! I think I have no internet connection. It's weird because I'm using ethernet
• 2641[19:08:17] <jelly> torify_, then open a shell inside "script apt.log" and it will record all the commands and output, so redo the purge again, quit aptitude again, exit that shell, then pastebin apt.log
• 2642[19:08:32] <jelly> torify_, you're on irc?!?
• 2643[19:08:41] <torify_> I'm using a Chromebook
• 2644[19:09:03] <jelly> can you take a camera shot of the screen with aptitude's questions, then
• 2645[19:09:04] <lungaro> anyone aware of a dropbox like application I can run myself ?
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• 2647[19:09:29] <torify_> jelly: can do, any preferences on where to upload them?
• 2648[19:10:46] <jelly> imgur.com, picpaste.com, any decent site
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• 2654[19:14:46] <torify_> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2659[19:16:31] <jelly> torify_, looks good, accept it
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• 2662[19:17:19] <jelly> torify_, is there a reason you have a 32bit OS installation?
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• 2665[19:17:43] <jelly> or is that just the wine deps.
• 2666[19:17:45] <torify_> jelly: it failed cause apparently I haven't got a connection. It says: temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'
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• 2668[19:18:07] <torify_> jelly: I was wondering the same, no idea why those are there
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• 2670[19:18:35] <jelly> torify_, hm, do you have defined interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 2671[19:18:52] <jelly> maybe you can "ifup eth0" or similar to bring the network up
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• 2673[19:19:39] <torify_> jelly: alright, that worked
• 2674[19:19:52] <torify_> jelly: running the aptitude command again
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• 2678[19:21:27] <jelly> torify_, look at the removal list to make sure it's only removing nvidia-related stuff
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• 2680[19:21:30] <LoveCoinz> replaced-url
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• 2685[19:21:55] <jelly> no advertising in here.
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• 2687[19:22:06] <torify_> jelly: it is
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• 2690[19:22:43] <torify_> jelly: done
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• 2695[19:23:31] <jelly> torify_, try a reboot now and see if there's any difference
• 2696[19:23:40] <jelly> if not, go back to recovery shell
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• 2698[19:24:28] <torify_> jelly: rebooting
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• 2700[19:24:50] <torify_> jelly: it doesn't say anything about Load Kernel Modules which I think and hope is a good thing
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• 2702[19:25:05] <torify_> jelly: I got a Failed to start /etc/rc.local Compatibility
• 2703[19:25:41] <jelly> that file is a no-op by default, if you got something in there it was probably you who edited it
• 2704[19:26:12] <torify_> jelly: great! I got a shell. Everything worked correctly, BUT, Gnome seems to be really awkward, icons are huge and prompt looks weird
• 2705[19:26:32] <torify_> alright
• 2706[19:27:06] <jelly> does it come up in native resolution, that's important
• 2707[19:27:08] <torify_> jelly: just to clarify, when I say I got a shell I mean I managed to log into my user's GUI
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• 2709[19:27:25] <jelly> gotcha
• 2710[19:27:34] <torify_> jelly: don't know what 'native resolution' is
• 2711[19:27:42] <torify_> jelly: it's just weird
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• 2714[19:27:51] <jelly> pastebin the output of xrandr
• 2715[19:27:58] <torify_> jelly: it might be cause I had some special fancy looking gnome plugins
• 2716[19:28:12] <torify_> let me connect to irc from there, brb
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• 2718[19:28:36] <jelly> native resolution is the one your actual output device (monitor) has
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• 2720[19:29:14] <torify_> jelly: I think so. Stuff seems to fit correctly. My background image is centered, etc
• 2721[19:29:25] <jelly> torify_, consider installing openssh-server, so you'll be able to ssh into the mac from the chromebook
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• 2725[19:30:00] <torify_> jelly: this chromebook is from the school. I can barely move with it
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• 2730[19:31:42] <torify__> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2732[19:32:41] <jelly> torify__, if you have a full-hd monitor connected on displayport, then that's it
• 2733[19:32:43] <jelly> 1920 x 1080
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• 2735[19:33:22] <jelly> DP-3 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
• 2736[19:33:31] <jelly> but boy that paste site is weird.
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• 2738[19:33:45] <torify__> jelly: my monitor is 21.5 inches
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• 2741[19:34:19] <torify__> jelly: it's the one recommended in...#django (I think). I got used to it
• 2742[19:34:40] <torify__> jelly: so, how can I 'adjust' the monitor
• 2743[19:34:40] <tomnor> is there somewhere by default I could just store .ics files to get them notified by notifications
• 2744[19:36:46] <jelly> I don't think there's anything to adjust wrt the monitor.
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• 2746[19:37:08] <jelly> torify__, ^^
• 2747[19:37:11] <ebp> is there a debian off topic channel?
• 2748[19:37:19] <jelly> ebp, #debian-offtopic
• 2749[19:37:23] <torify__> jelly: let me send you an image see if you find it weird looking
• 2750[19:37:24] <ebp> thanks
• 2751[19:37:44] <torify__> by the way, I really appreciate all your help jelly, thank you so much
• 2752[19:38:31] <jelly> torify__, I have to warn you I'm clueless about gnome stuff
• 2753[19:39:06] <torify__> jelly: I'm sure we'll figure something out, it's just, not right
• 2754[19:39:28] <russell> hi
• 2755[19:39:36] <jelly> yeah, but you might get a "go try xfce" or "go try kde" from me :-)
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• 2759[19:42:43] <torify__> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2761[19:42:50] <torify__> jelly: why don't you like gnome?
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• 2763[19:43:52] <lungaro> my biggest gripe with any window manager is how it handles dual screens and workspaces. Only tiling WMs and enlightenment get it right
• 2764[19:44:02] <lungaro> Does gnome let you switch workspaces on just 1 monitor?
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• 2766[19:44:30] <mtn> torify__: you can change the icon size in the file manager
• 2767[19:44:32] <lungaro> last I checked it would flip workspaces on both monitors which is stupid
• 2768[19:44:58] <torify__> mtn: it's not just the icon size. Everything looks very weird/bad
• 2769[19:45:10] <jelly> I work around that in xfce and kde by making the stuff on monitor 2 stick to all the workspaces
• 2770[19:45:23] <mtn> torify__: looks fine in your screenshot. what is wrong with it?
• 2771[19:45:29] <lungaro> jelly, not acceptable =P
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• 2773[19:45:46] <jelly> those desktop icons are somewhat large, but other than that
• 2774[19:45:54] <torify__> mtn: don't know, the prompt for example it has no style, it used to be prettier
• 2775[19:46:02] <mtn> torify__: so change it
• 2776[19:46:07] <jelly> mtn, distinct lack of pony-related background!
• 2777[19:46:13] <mtn> jelly: heh
• 2778[19:46:19] <torify__> hmm
• 2779[19:46:26] * torify__ looks around to find the pony
• 2780[19:46:40] <torify__> I gtg anyway, I'll deal with it later
• 2781[19:46:56] <torify__> jelly: once again, I can't thank you enough
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• 2783[19:47:16] <arora> i3wm gets it right tbh
• 2784[19:47:40] <lungaro> i3wm is aight but i am not a fan of tiling WMs
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• 2786[19:48:02] <lungaro> they just dont make sense to me, i'd rather have overlapping windows. I made this decision after spending 3 solid days using i3
• 2787[19:48:46] <lungaro> i should try doing float for everything, but that seems wrong
• 2788[19:48:47] <lungaro> haha
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• 2790[19:49:04] <arora> Once you become accustomed to its keyboard oriented shortcuts, going back to overlapping windows, seems primitive.
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• 2792[19:49:20] <lungaro> I know, but I have too many windows that dont fit that pattern
• 2793[19:49:28] <lungaro> the keyboard features are so bad ass
• 2794[19:49:38] <arora> Haha like?
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• 2796[19:50:16] <arora> Which programs dont fit that pattern?
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• 2799[19:50:57] <lungaro> xchat, pidgen
• 2800[19:51:08] <lungaro> gedit and rox were a little weird too
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• 2803[19:51:34] <arora> Why not use irssi instead of xchat?
• 2804[19:51:51] <lungaro> probably should, just old school
• 2805[19:52:01] <Logg> hexchat overtook xchat
• 2806[19:52:43] <oerheks> xchat was no longer under development
• 2807[19:53:44] <lungaro> just shows how oldschool I am =P
• 2808[19:54:54] <arora> Cli programs fit well into tiling wm ecosystem :p
• 2809[19:55:17] <lungaro> Yeah, that's what most i3 setups look like, just a bunch of terminals
• 2810[19:56:19] * arora gets offended by "bunch of terminals"
• 2811[19:56:29] <lungaro> haha
• 2812[19:57:18] <arora> They are highly sophisticated alternative to graphical user interfaces which can provide user with the same power. xD
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• 2814[19:57:48] <maferv> Question: I want to stream live (and save to a file) a v4l usb-webcam's output. What's the software I'm looking for? All cli of course
• 2815[19:58:13] <Logg> vlc could probably do it
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• 2818[19:59:01] <Logg> if you don't need cli requirement, obs could do it too
• 2819[19:59:07] <tomnor> is there some way to automate adding of ical (.ics) calendar events to evolution, like putting an .ics file in a certain directory?
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• 2821[20:00:13] <maferv> vlc is not an option, it seems clunky and not reliable. This is meant to be a CCTV. I will check out obs
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• 2823[20:00:34] <maferv> all cli is a must as this must be scriptable
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• 2836[20:05:25] <jelly> maferv, what did you find unreliable about vlc's cli setup?
• 2837[20:05:37] <tw> you can always setup your own gstreamer pipeline. That's ultimately the most awful way of doing what you're trying to do.
• 2838[20:05:46] <tw> But it will totally be 100% configurable by cli.
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• 2840[20:09:47] <shellclear> is it possible configure two displays mirror in fullscreen mode?
• 2841[20:10:27] <maferv> jelly primarily, it doesn't get along with this old v4l gspca webcam. Not even with LD_PRELOAD=v4l1compat.so, but that's another story jelly. I don't like vlc for this and so I ruled it out from my project
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• 2844[20:10:51] <Logg> shellclear, yes. if not through your de's gui montior configurer, then with xrandr
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• 2846[20:11:34] <maferv> I'm thinking maybe I could use ffmpeg? I can already capture with ffmpeg, but the problem is I don't know if it is capable of capturing/saving to a file and at the same time streaming
• 2847[20:12:48] <tw> maferv: if you've got something that streams from a pipe, you can use tee to dump it to a file.
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• 2849[20:12:55] <tw> that's how I stream rtp.
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• 2858[20:15:38] <maferv> what program do you use to stream rtp?
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• 2864[20:17:54] <maferv> tw I guess you are doing the inverse process tw, you download a stream, and then pipe it to a file to save it?
• 2865[20:18:30] <tw> No, I generate a stream from mic, encode as opus, save to file, send to rtp.
• 2866[20:18:44] <tw> And I use gstreamer for that. It is not nice to work with.
• 2867[20:18:50] <tw> At least I do not find it nice to work with.
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• 2873[20:20:17] <tw> if vlc or cvlc does what you want it to do, I'd try to get that to work. It is actually pretty solid stuff.
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• 2882[20:24:37] <azarus> I'm trying to get Debian 8.0 working on a PPC machine. An old Apple eMac, in fact. Problem is the screen goes black after booting. The last line I see when I boot the computer is something about loading DRM, which is the Direct Rendering Manager.
• 2883[20:24:38] <maxzor> Hello, I ditch windows10 after it could not boot anymore on an i5-2500CPU. I installed a debian jessie which was quite fine. I decided to reinstall a stretch, and I encounter initramfs hell each boot. What can I do aside going to fsck myself? System is highly unstable and slow + half RAM recognized 4/8GB. I even have trouble logging in tty1, not to mention graphical interface.
• 2884[20:24:42] <azarus> I can ssh into the machine.
• 2885[20:26:24] <maferv> I will look into gstreamer tw. I was thinking of ffmpeg, don't know if it can stream rtmp (locally) and save to a file at the same time
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• 2887[20:27:16] <tw> maferv: if it can't, it can definitely pipe to stdout/stream from stdin. I've done it with ffmpeg before, but it's a bit more troublesome getting the demuxer to pick up the right format.
• 2888[20:27:18] <maxzor> i get a lot of "ata3.00 : BMDMA stat Ox65 - failed command: READ DM - blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector xxxA EXT - cmd 25/00:08:e8.../00/eo tag 0 dma 4096 in res 51/40.... Emask Ox9 (media error)
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• 2890[20:28:21] <Logg> maxzor, doesn't sound like anything that can be fixed in software.
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• 2892[20:29:35] <Logg> azarus, can you can switch to a tty?
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• 2894[20:29:49] <crcrcr> i'm in stable, how do i set up testing backports?
• 2895[20:29:49] <maxzor> Logg: at that point I don't even know if my issue is ram only or also hdd
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• 2897[20:29:58] <azarus> Logg: There's no login manager, so I don't see how that'd change anything.
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• 2900[20:30:43] <Logg> maxzor, try to get all 8 GB of ram recognized in bios, test the hard drive in another computer.
• 2901[20:30:44] <azarus> Logg: Also, nope. Pressing the key combo for TTY doesn't do anything.
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• 2903[20:31:24] <maxzor> Logg right ty
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• 2905[20:32:28] <Logg> idk azarus sorry.
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• 2916[20:35:52] <crcrcr> also i still haven't figure out how to customize mouse keys :/
• 2917[20:36:01] <hipodilski> guys
• 2918[20:36:01] <Logg> crcrcr: testing and backports are two different repositories. You can select which repositories you're subscribed to in apt's conf file
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• 2920[20:36:13] <hipodilski> please help me to solve that problem with squirrelmail replaced-url
• 2921[20:36:15] <Logg> depends which mouse
• 2922[20:36:27] <hipodilski> that shit happened after upgrade of debian 7 -> 8
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• 2924[20:36:39] <hipodilski> i know it is php 5.6 related but can't fix it
• 2925[20:36:43] <crcrcr> logg it's a trackball
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• 2928[20:38:14] <Logg> crcrcr, my logitec mouse has the settings saved in it, so I use the logitec configuration wizard on windows, then can use the same conf in debian. will probably also depend on your desktop environment. some of them have key mapping (including mouse key-mapping) built in.
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• 2930[20:38:33] <maferv> ty tw, I will read manuals now
• 2931[20:38:42] <crcrcr> cinnamon
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• 2937[20:40:43] <Logg> crcrcr, if you can't map it through cinnamon, and the settings aren't saved in the mouse, make a udev rule
• 2938[20:41:26] <crcrcr> O.O
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• 2957[20:50:18] <modnoe> hello :)
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• 2959[20:50:38] <modnoe> guys i have managed to wreck my initramfs because i was trying to debug an lvm encrypted partition fail
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• 2961[20:50:47] <modnoe> i think now i have both a broken initramfs and a broken lvm partition
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• 2963[20:50:50] <modnoe> but i need to solve the former first
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• 2973[20:53:27] <modnoe> when i do update-initramfs -c -k "all" i get:
• 2974[20:53:37] <modnoe> "FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory"
• 2975[20:53:38] <modnoe> :S
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• 2986[20:59:14] <azarus> I'm getting this error in my dmesg: replaced-url
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• 2988[20:59:36] <azarus> The screen is black upon turning on the machine.
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• 2990[20:59:53] <azarus> The machine is an old Apple eMac with a radeon chip.
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• 3009[21:10:02] <crcrcr> which kernel version is on testing?
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• 3036[21:22:01] <azarus> Can I install the kernel from Wheezy in Jessie=
• 3037[21:22:06] <azarus> ?*
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• 3044[21:26:26] <matrix_architect> azarus, i don't think so
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• 3046[21:26:56] <matrix_architect> jessie uses systemd and it requires special kernel configuration as far as i know
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• 3049[21:27:28] <azarus> Hmm. Any other possible ways of getting the display of my computer to work?
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• 3054[21:28:10] <azarus> matrix_architect: The display works on Wheezy, but not on Jessie.
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• 3057[21:28:41] <matrix_architect> laptop?
• 3058[21:28:44] <azarus> nope
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• 3060[21:28:53] <azarus> An old apple eMac.
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• 3062[21:29:20] <matrix_architect> i don't know
• 3063[21:30:06] <azarus> Okay then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 3069[21:31:48] <azarus> Can I somehow mix the old kernel side of Wheezy and some of the new stuff of Jessie together?
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• 3076[21:34:01] <matrix_architect> maybe you need to implement old driver to jessie kernel
• 3077[21:34:28] <azarus> matrix_architect: That's not really possible, the driver is bound to the kernel.
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• 3079[21:35:04] <matrix_architect> i mean in source and compiğle
• 3080[21:35:07] <matrix_architect> compile
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• 3082[21:35:33] <azarus> Of course. But one can't the radeon driver from 3.2 and port it to 3.16.
• 3083[21:35:45] <azarus> The kernel does *not* have stable kABIs.
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• 3103[21:46:50] <azarus> Can I somehow install Wheezy with a Jessie medium? I'm out of disks :/
• 3104[21:48:49] <azarus> And no, my machine doesn't support booting off USB.
• 3105[21:48:57] <nkuttler> azarus: you can just install base and upgrade that
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• 3107[21:49:13] <nkuttler> oh wait, wheezy..
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• 3109[21:50:43] <azarus> So, no chance?
• 3110[21:50:49] <nkuttler> azarus: you can probably edit the sources before installing base, replaced-url
• 3111[21:51:23] <nkuttler> no idea though if that works
• 3112[21:51:47] <nkuttler> you could maybe also bootstrap wheezy into a chroot. or, you know, just buy a usb stick for like $5
• 3113[21:52:04] <azarus> My system doesn't boot off USB.
• 3114[21:52:05] <nkuttler> eh, never mind
• 3115[21:52:20] <nkuttler> !tell azarus about debootstrap
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• 3122[21:54:24] <azarus> nkuttler: Can I do that from a netinst bootmedium?
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• 3126[21:56:41] <nkuttler> azarus: editing the sources? never tried it. debootstrap, not afaik
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• 3129[21:57:11] <nkuttler> how are you going to boot the netinst image anyway?
• 3130[21:57:25] <nkuttler> and why can't you get one for wheezy?
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• 3133[21:58:04] <azarus> Over CD-ROM, and I've run out of CD-ROMs.
• 3134[21:58:14] <nkuttler> there is also grub-imageboot, you can boot isos off hd
• 3135[21:58:24] <azarus> The netinst boodmedium has no editor on it?!
• 3136[21:58:59] <azarus> No vim, vi or nano
• 3137[21:59:06] <azarus> Oh well, it does have nano, whoops.
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• 3141[22:02:33] <azarus> nkuttler: This machine does not support GRUB.
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• 3144[22:05:14] <juon> Hi
• 3145[22:05:27] <juon> Anybody can send me a #debian-next channel ?
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• 3152[22:07:25] <annadane> juon, it's on irc.oftc.net
• 3153[22:07:33] <annadane> it's called #debian-next
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• 3168[22:16:22] <RoyK> annadane: and probably vi
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• 3177[22:24:24] <tw> ,v arduino
• 3178[22:24:25] <judd> Package: arduino on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.0.1+dfsg-7; jessie: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4; buster: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4.1; sid: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4.1; stretch: 2:1.0.5+dfsg2-4.1; experimental: 2:1.5.6.2+sdfsg2-3
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• 3181[22:25:19] <juon> annadane, thank you
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• 3195[22:32:54] <tw> Is the arduino ide still incompatible with dfsg? I don't see any deps outside of GPL/LGPL/BSD-new.
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• 3208[22:36:59] <tekk> hey guys, i'm wondering if i can force my wifi card to use the 5Ghz channel of my network?
• 3209[22:38:18] <LtL> tekk: iwconfig
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• 3218[22:40:39] <pablo_> where are the files of info command ? what editor use info ?
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• 3224[22:43:38] <n4dir> pablo_: did you try "wheris info" ?
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• 3226[22:43:53] <pablo_> yes
• 3227[22:44:02] <pablo_> info of bash
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• 3230[22:44:27] <pablo_> bash have 2 help : help and info
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• 3234[22:45:00] <pablo_> help is inside of shell ; info in a file in /usr/bin/info
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• 3256[22:54:22] <ross`> I'm having issues with the bootloader line for xen pv install
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• 3258[22:54:35] <ross`> should it be "pygrub" or a relative path to pygrub?
• 3259[22:54:47] <ross`> Also, is that required for booting the iso, or only for booting after installation?
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• 3262[22:56:30] <ChmEarl> ross`, it works for both
• 3263[22:56:55] <ross`> It's giving me an error on that line
• 3264[22:57:05] <ChmEarl> give a full path to pygrub
• 3265[22:57:26] <ross`> File "/usr/lib64/xen/bin/pygrub", line 929, in <module>
• 3266[22:57:28] <ross`> raise RuntimeError, "Unable to find partition containing kernel"
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• 3268[22:58:45] <ChmEarl> for booting the ISO, you need: bootargs
• 3269[22:58:46] <ChmEarl> bootargs="--kernel=install.amd/xen/vmlinuz --ramdisk=install.amd/xen/initrd.gz
• 3270[22:58:53] <ross`> yep, got that
• 3271[22:58:55] <ross`> sec
• 3272[22:59:05] <ChmEarl> close quote
• 3273[22:59:54] <ross`> replaced-url
• 3274[23:00:30] <ross`> does it need to be xvdd
• 3275[23:00:37] <ross`> I did xvdc because that's what you said the other day
• 3276[23:01:02] <ross`> the kernel and ramdisk are from the -o loop mounted iso
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• 3278[23:01:08] <ChmEarl> put the ISO first in disk=[]
• 3279[23:01:19] <ross`> k
• 3280[23:01:30] <ChmEarl> you need either a pygrub bootloader or kernel/ramdisk
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• 3282[23:01:34] <ChmEarl> not both
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• 3284[23:01:44] <ross`> ahhhh
• 3285[23:01:48] <ross`> so I can just comment out that line then
• 3286[23:01:51] <ross`> and the bootargs
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• 3288[23:02:03] <ross`> and the extra line then
• 3289[23:02:07] <ChmEarl> comment out kernel & ramdisk first
• 3290[23:02:15] <ChmEarl> try with pygrub
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• 3292[23:03:35] <ross`> same error
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• 3294[23:03:54] <ross`> so pygrub definitely exists
• 3295[23:03:55] <ChmEarl> pygrub will try the first partition (sda1 now) to find a kernel.
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• 3297[23:04:05] <ross`> I swapped the disk stuff
• 3298[23:04:07] <ross`> so the iso is first
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• 3300[23:04:34] <ross`> or does xvda go before xdac always regardless of how the disks are listed
• 3301[23:04:38] <ross`> which one shows up as hd0
• 3302[23:04:44] <ross`> Do I need to specify hd1
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• 3304[23:05:25] <Droid2Debian> I managed to compile and install a stock 4.13.x kernel after waiting all morning yesterday morning
• 3305[23:05:46] <p0a> Hello I've installed latex2html but I got version 1.71
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• 3307[23:05:55] <p0a> How come apt-get doesn't give me something more up to date
• 3308[23:05:58] <p0a> this looks like it's from 2008
• 3309[23:06:07] <ross`> ChmEarl: replaced-url
• 3310[23:06:08] <ross`> updated
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• 3312[23:06:20] <Droid2Debian> p0a, Old =stableand relative ly stable
• 3313[23:06:40] <p0a> so it's an instance of that. tbh latex2html isn't like changing too much I guess
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• 3316[23:07:06] <p0a> I mean I did run into some weird issues and I thought of updating but I guess since you're saying the version has to be stable
• 3317[23:07:17] <p0a> it must be a configuration issue
• 3318[23:07:47] <ChmEarl> ross`, the ISO is mounted, right? unmount it
• 3319[23:07:55] <ross`> ahhhh
• 3320[23:08:04] <crucify_me> hi if I want to name all files in a directory by a number first such as 1_geometry.hs 2_algebra.hs how can I do that once I reach 10_limits.hs and 10 is then listed first in the directory?
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• 3322[23:08:19] <Droid2Debian> I did a self compile of the latest kernel yesterday direct from the kernel.org servers and have not had an issue as of yet
• 3323[23:08:36] <Logg> try naming them 01_geometry.hs 02_algebra.hs crucify_me
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• 3325[23:08:41] <ross`> ChmEarl: unmounted, same error
• 3326[23:08:57] <crucify_me> Logg cool thanks duh !
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• 3329[23:09:25] <Logg> :)
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• 3332[23:10:56] <ross`> ChmEarl: replaced-url
• 3333[23:11:20] <ross`> Can I use a boot"dc" or somethign here maybe, or how do I tell pygrub do use the cdrom
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• 3345[23:20:34] <gunix> iface bond0.10 inet manual
• 3346[23:20:37] <gunix> what does .10 mean?
• 3347[23:21:19] <gunix> oh shit vlan tag
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• 3388[23:42:36] <rant> gunix: yep..
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• 3415[23:54:10] <neilthereildeil> hi. how can i make Linux run a script at boot only if a certain grub entry is chosen?
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• 3418[23:56:21] <tw> neilthereildeil: yes, if you change the kernel command line for just that grub entry.
• 3419[23:56:34] <neilthereildeil> tw: which kernel arg would i use?
• 3420[23:56:42] <tw> something not currently in use.
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• 3422[23:57:00] <neilthereildeil> ?
• 3423[23:57:26] <neilthereildeil> i just pass the path of the script file relative to / at the end of the kernel cmdline?
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• 3428[23:59:03] <tw> I mean like add randomthingy=yourtest, then check in your startup if randomthingy is set in the environment or in /proc/cmdline
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• 3430[23:59:53] <neilthereildeil> ohh ok
• 3431[23:59:56] <neilthereildeil> thx
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