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29[00:14:50] <schmoopy> So I have an IBM thinkpad T60 running debian strech. today the power went out and it shutdown hard. upon reboot, networking does not work.
30[00:15:04] <schmoopy> wicd tells me it connects to a networ sucessfully, but its lying.
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32[00:17:07] <schmoopy> Wireless knows when it has a bad network password, so its doing something.
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34[00:17:25] <schmoopy> but upon completing the connection, it just says disconnected...
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46[00:25:25] <Facu> hello everybody
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51[00:27:15] <Facu> I'm having a problem installing Python 3 in the Docker image `debian:unstable`, I install it using `apt`, and it installs ok... kind of; it looks that brings all dependencies it should, among them this one: `libpython3.6-stdlib`... but this lib is NOT bringing all the files it should:
52[00:27:25] <Facu> root@6df911ceaf26:/usr/lib/python3.6/distutils# ls
53[00:27:25] <Facu> __init__.py __pycache__ version.py
54[00:27:52] <Facu> See that there should be a lot of stuff there inside `distutils`: replaced-url
55[00:28:01] <Facu> Do you know what may be happening? thanks!!!
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90[00:50:45] <jolt> Facu: I'm not sure what you are looking for, but this is what your packge provides: replaced-url
91[00:51:31] <jolt> Facu: does dpkg -l|grep libpython3.6-stdlib show that it is installed?
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93[00:51:48] <jolt> (ii libpython3.6-stdlib)
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190[01:57:53] <hxmuller> when "fakeroot debian/rules target" fails (compiling development kernel), just "make clean" and fix problem, and rerun, right?
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197[02:01:15] <hxmuller> ah, just answered my own question: replaced-url
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201[02:01:32] <hxmuller> fakeroot debian/rules clean
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206[02:03:44] <tHe_dOCumEnT> how does kernel work in debian?
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209[02:03:59] <tHe_dOCumEnT> is it a bunch of modules to download?
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212[02:04:34] <hxmuller> there is a bit of preparation to compile a kernel
213[02:05:01] <tHe_dOCumEnT> debian needs user to compile kernel?
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220[02:08:09] <hxmuller> This Debian user does.
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237[02:13:14] <hxmuller> current gcc version is gcc version 6.3.0 20170516, but I am getting "*** Compiler lacks asm-goto support.. Stop." error when compiling kernel, why?
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239[02:13:47] <brutser> hi, when i create a livecd i get an error with lightdm, simply says: Failed to start Light Display Manager. any idea how i can get more information what is causing this?
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241[02:15:04] <tHe_dOCumEnT> hxmuller: goto is defacto method for coding
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244[02:15:24] <tHe_dOCumEnT> kernel probly has bunch of goto's
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247[02:17:20] <ChmEarl> hxmuller, nasm bin86 bcc ?
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249[02:18:22] <hxmuller> tHe_dOCumEnT: yes, but the current gcc is supposed to have support for it
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252[02:18:46] <hxmuller> ChmEarl: no, using standard gcc
253[02:19:06] <tHe_dOCumEnT> hxmuller: gcc & kernel are free so you get what u dont pay for
254[02:19:19] <hxmuller> lol
255[02:19:20] <tHe_dOCumEnT> another words a broken setup in your case
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258[02:20:27] <hxmuller> more likely the gcc-goto.sh in the 4.17 kernel
259[02:21:03] <tHe_dOCumEnT> question is
260[02:21:08] <tHe_dOCumEnT> do you REALLY need a kernel upgrade
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263[02:22:51] <hxmuller> tHe_dOCumEnT: no, I could wait months for the 4.17 to become stable, or even a year and change
264[02:23:48] <hxmuller> The real question, is WHY am I compiling 4.17. And the answer is for AMD Ryzen 3 2200g support.
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267[02:25:43] <tHe_dOCumEnT> glad i dumped amd for i7 8550u
268[02:25:58] <tHe_dOCumEnT> how many j's do you use with kernel?
269[02:26:18] <hxmuller> only 2 on this machine
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271[02:26:34] <hxmuller> once the AMD box is up and running, 4
272[02:26:49] <tHe_dOCumEnT> amd is slooww
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274[02:27:16] <tHe_dOCumEnT> single thread is what matters for speed perception
275[02:27:39] <hxmuller> It will be faster than the box I'm currently using, core 2 duo
276[02:28:09] <hxmuller> and It will have fixes for meltdown and spectre, which this one will never get
277[02:28:30] <hxmuller> thanks Intel
278[02:28:48] <tHe_dOCumEnT> who even cares about those? are u running a server facing the public internet?
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290[02:34:11] <rjsalts> tHe_dOCumEnT: or running code you got from the internet (e.g. javascript)
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306[02:46:20] <hxmuller> good to see he got bored
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326[03:06:25] <Facu> jolt, yes, libpython3.6-stdlib is installed
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328[03:06:53] <Facu> jolt, and not, it didn't bring all these files: replaced-url
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337[03:18:24] <Rayben> Family tree of the Greek gods
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348[03:24:23] <hxmuller> on the morrow
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507[05:04:28] <Peppe__> hi
508[05:04:59] <Peppe__> I have internet connection, but sudo apt-get update stuck at 0% and connecting to irc.freenode.net is failing in hexchat
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511[05:06:12] <somiaj> try to figure out what is failing, first check ip resolution, does 'ping irc.freenode.net' return an ip address?
512[05:07:30] <Peppe__> somiaj: 100% loss
513[05:07:44] <somiaj> but you do get an ip?
514[05:07:54] <somiaj> can you ping your gateway?
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516[05:08:08] <Peppe__> even pingin google . PING google.se(arn09s11-in-x03.1e100.net (2a00:1450:400f:807::2003)) 56 data bytes
517[05:09:22] <somiaj> that isn't your gateway, start with your gateway, see if you can at least communicate within your network.
518[05:09:26] <rant> wth
519[05:09:39] <rant> ,depends libdrm-dev
520[05:09:40] <judd> Package libdrm-dev in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libdrm2 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-intel1 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-radeon1 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-nouveau2 (= 2.4.74-1), libdrm-amdgpu1 (= 2.4.74-1).
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522[05:09:50] <rant> now class, can anyone tell me what's wrong here?
523[05:10:07] <rant> ,v libdrm2
524[05:10:08] <judd> Package: libdrm2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.40-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.4.58-2; jessie-backports: 2.4.74-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.91-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.92-1; sid: 2.4.92-1
525[05:10:41] <Peppe__> somiaj: yes. gatway works good
526[05:10:51] * rant wonders wth his system is trying to pull in libdrm2 from backports
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528[05:12:02] <somiaj> rant: in what way is it trying to pull that in? What command did you run? Do you have it from backports already?
529[05:12:25] <rant> I'm trying to apt-get build-dep retroarch
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531[05:13:20] <somiaj> ,v retroarch
532[05:13:21] <judd> Package: retroarch on amd64 -- buster: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; stretch: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; experimental: 1.4.1+dfsg1-1
533[05:13:40] <rant> thats when it says this depends on a bunch of stuff that won't be installed, and when I tell it to apt-get install those things it tells me libdrm-dev depends on libdrm2 but the backports version is to be installed
534[05:13:50] <somiaj> rant: apt-policy libdrm2 (maybe you had that installed from backports already, so it needs to pull in the -dev from backports as well)
535[05:13:55] <somiaj> arg apt policy (no dash)
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537[05:14:41] <rant> hmm wonder how that happened
538[05:15:09] <somiaj> rant: aptitude why libdrm2 -- see if you have a package that depends on libdrm2 from backports.
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542[05:15:39] <rant> would have to install aptitude first
543[05:15:46] <peyammm> somiaj: can not ping.
544[05:15:55] <peyammm> disabled firewall
545[05:15:56] <somiaj> peyammm: cannot ping your gateway?
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547[05:16:11] <somiaj> peyammm: you could try traceroute, and see where things get stuck
548[05:16:21] <somiaj> maybe your gateway isn't letting you through for some reason.
549[05:16:28] <peyammm> somiaj: I can ping my gatwat
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552[05:16:45] <peyammm> but not ouside it.
553[05:16:57] <peyammm> I can use chrome to surf
554[05:17:12] <somiaj> sounds like your gateway isn't letting you some things through.
555[05:17:13] <peyammm> but can not ping or load irc on hexchat or update repo
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560[05:18:18] <rant> ugh.. it was that damn debian multimedia repo
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562[05:18:55] <somiaj> dmo?
563[05:19:03] <rant> I think I'm going to reinstall.. this is fubar :P
564[05:19:10] <somiaj> peyammm: anyways, sounds like the system is working just fine, unsure what your gateway could be doing.
565[05:19:14] <somiaj> !dmo
566[05:19:14] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
567[05:20:10] <rant> want to get rid of the /boot and move /usr and /home anyhow
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595[05:47:42] <_Coffee> hello, in the data.tar.gz file of a .deb package I see a bunch of folders, like ./var/, ./var/lib/, etc
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598[05:48:15] <_Coffee> if I extract this file in my current directory, will that whole directory structure appear in my home directory?
599[05:48:42] <somiaj> _Coffee: why not just dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/extract
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601[05:49:12] <_Coffee> okay, I'll try that
602[05:49:21] <somiaj> but yes, you should be able to extract the contents into the current directory, and it will give you the filetree, but I would use dpkg for this over ar and tar
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604[05:50:11] <_Coffee> yeah, I was just wondering if you needed to use dpkg because the file structure looks like the main filesystem, so I was thinking the dpkg program puts the files in the right respective directories.
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606[05:50:38] <_Coffee> you feel me? Like the /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg would be extracted into the real /etc/dpkg/ folder
607[05:51:00] <somiaj> that is only if you install it, you can extract it to alternative locations if needed (sometimes nice to force things into a chroot)
608[05:51:07] <somiaj> or just to extract the contents to look at them
609[05:51:16] <_Coffee> ahh
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611[05:51:54] <somiaj> (you can also install in atlernative locations, but then you need a dpkg database to use)
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614[05:53:31] <_Coffee> that's complicated
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616[05:54:11] <somiaj> or just to much info, anyways, dpkg -x should do what you want, unless this is an xy-problem
617[05:54:55] <themill> note that installing to somewhere other than / is unlikely to work and that unpacking with dpkg -x is unlikely to give anything functional for many packages
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620[05:56:46] <_Coffee> themill: thanks for the advice
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645[06:14:46] <nekoseam> How would I go about completely removing systemd and installing runit?
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647[06:15:11] <nekoseam> Is it as simple and autoremoving systemd and installing runit? I don't have things actively running that require it
648[06:15:18] <somiaj> nekoseam: first, you can't completely remove systemd. You can use sysv instead of systemd for the init system, but you still have to have parts of systemd on your system.
649[06:15:22] <somiaj> !remove systemd
650[06:15:22] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
651[06:15:47] <nekoseam> thanks
652[06:15:49] <somiaj> nekoseam: oh sorry, runit, runit will be similar to using sysv, but note that not many packages may contain runit scripts by default.
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674[06:33:30] <vegenaise> hi chat. can anyone point me to a debian program that is very noob friendly for testing/ascertaining the health of a harddrive? have an old system with two dead drives and one that i think is ok, but they all seem to be ok at first before they get errors and i can't remember which one was the good one off-hand
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677[06:36:10] <jordanm> vegenaise: pretty much the only thing out there is smartctl, which unfortunately isn't too newb friendly
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679[06:37:09] <jordanm> there could be more user-friendly interfaces for it, though
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681[06:37:31] <jordanm> gsmartcontrol perhaps
682[06:37:54] <vegenaise> i'll check that out, thanks!
683[06:38:00] <somiaj> smartctl isn't that bad, just copy/paste the correct command, and it prints out health.
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688[06:45:55] <Peyam> it takes 10 minutes to connect irc.freenode.net on hexchat
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690[06:46:24] <Peyam> and 5 minutes for doing a apt updatre
691[06:46:26] <Peyam> and 5 minutes for doing a apt update
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698[06:48:56] <somiaj> Peyam: but you have no lag between your machine and gateway still? Is this wireless? It still sounds like some issue with your network, not the debian box (unless you also have such lag with your gateway)
699[06:49:06] <Peyam> no
700[06:49:22] <Peyam> I try now to do this : replaced-url
701[06:50:31] <somiaj> I think the issue is something out side of apt-get, if irc takes a while as well. What are you using as your gateway?
702[06:50:45] <Peyam> 192.168.0.1
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704[06:51:44] <somiaj> I mean, is it some router? Do you have other machines on that network? Do you have the same lag when connecting to other machiens on the network?
705[06:52:01] <Peyam> yes I do
706[06:52:25] <somiaj> well that is another test you could do, copy some file in your network, if things seem to work fine in your network, it is something with your router.
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711[06:56:54] <Tech_8> hi
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727[07:05:38] <Tech_8> wake up
728[07:05:46] <Peyam> go ahead
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747[07:18:14] <willemb> Hi. I have a squeeze server with bareos-filedaemon and unbound installed. I dont want to run unbound, it is mereley installed because I need some tools from the package. However, bareos-filedaemon depends on nss, and when named is installed, it thinks it has to run to satisfy the nss requirement. How do I undo that so that I can start bareos-filedaemon?
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759[07:24:05] <somiaj> willemb: squeeze? Do you mean stretch, or do you like running outdated/insecure servers?
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850[08:07:49] <aindilis> has anyone written a recommender system for Debian packages based on install history?
851[08:08:02] <aindilis> kind of like Amazon's
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853[08:09:21] <somiaj> what do you mean by that? What sort of recommender system are you thinking of? Or do you want some info about how popular different packages are?
854[08:09:44] <Sveta> it recommends packages to try based on packages which you installed (recently)
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856[08:10:27] <somiaj> debian packages already do that with a 'recommended' and 'suggested' list of packages, so still not quite sure what is wanted.
857[08:11:30] <aindilis> well it's just I want to exploit the information available in the package list, but I cannot just read it straight
858[08:11:38] <aindilis> apt-cache search -f .
859[08:11:54] <aindilis> I want it to know what my interests are and to recommend packages that I might be interested in
860[08:12:21] <aindilis> I have written something similar but it was keyword based
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862[08:12:30] <somiaj> so if you say use a wm, you want it to recommend all window managers avaialble?
863[08:12:35] <somiaj> you could see if debtags works for you
864[08:12:55] <aindilis> well it should be more targetted than that in theory
865[08:13:10] <aindilis> debtags certainly is necessary here
866[08:13:18] <aindilis> I wrote something that automatically assigned deb tags
867[08:13:24] <aindilis> using svm classifier
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872[08:15:14] <themill> debtags or axi-search had something like that iirc
873[08:15:23] <themill> people who liked these packages also liked
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903[08:35:51] <OS-37654> /msg NickServ REGISTER aloha123 kleechip@purdue.edu
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906[08:36:25] <jordanm> OS-37654: sure you don't want to go with "hunter2"?
907[08:37:17] <Haohmaru> hey hunter2 is my password, think of something else!!1
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909[08:37:50] <OS-37654> oops
910[08:38:03] <OS-37654> Sorry, first time using irc heh
911[08:38:12] <sebastien_> hello everybody
912[08:38:25] <Tech_8> hey sebastien_
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915[08:38:56] <sebastien_> hi Tech_8
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918[08:39:41] <babilen> OS-37654: You might want to change that password everywhere you re-used it. I'd also strongly recommend to "/query" nickserv first before interacting with it to prevent information leaks like this
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920[08:41:12] <OS-37654> babilen I messaged you
921[08:41:40] <michael2> how is it that the message was printed anyway? I thought any line starting with a /foo would be interpreted by the irc client and not posted to the channel?
922[08:42:32] <annadane> well, if you put a space between the start of the line and /
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924[08:42:41] <annadane> /then it does this and displays your password to everyone
925[08:42:45] <michael2> /key test
926[08:42:56] <michael2> oh wow, lol
927[08:43:05] <annadane> so probably accidental hitting of spacebar
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929[08:44:58] <babilen> exactly
930[08:45:14] <babilen> Hence the recommendation to "/query" first
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976[09:08:18] <birkoff> why is the wiki of debian not accessible ?
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999[09:15:19] <Aziroshin> I go even further, and only do sensitive operations in network-tabs and the like, where such a mistake won't lead to a leak of such sort.
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1001[09:16:29] <Aziroshin> If not in a /query, of course, which would indeed be the best option anyway. Scratch the "further" part. I just got up. XD
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1011[09:22:53] <amprxc> hello, i have a problem : how to put a ipv6 address as DNS server in dnsmasq dhcp-option ? Actually i can put ipv4 addresses, but dnsmasq can't start if I put an IPv6. Actually, this : "dhcp-option=6,8.8.8.8" is working. But how to put an ipv6 address instead of 8.8.8.8 ? I tried "dhcp-option=6,2001:4860:4860::8888" and "dhcp-option=6,[2001:4860:4860::8888]" but it didn't worked. Can anyone help me pls ?
1012[09:24:00] <Dagger> I don't know if this answers your question, but: you can't distribute v6 DNS servers over DHCPv4, you'll need to do it over DHCPv6 (or RDNSS)
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1018[09:25:38] <amprxc> Dagger, thanks for your answer; I know that but android doesn't support dhcpv6 ::
1019[09:25:40] <amprxc> :/
1020[09:26:28] <Dagger> RDNSS then
1021[09:26:29] <juhop> try option dhcp6.name-servers 2001:4860:4860::8888
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1023[09:27:03] <emucla> I want to upgrade VLC 3.0.2 to 3.0.3 in debian stretch 9.4, what should I do? vlc version in debian repositories is still 3.0.2
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1026[09:27:22] <Dagger> (and strictly speaking you don't *need* v6 DNS servers. you can look up any record types over any transport)
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1033[09:29:43] <amprxc> Dagger i will look that RDNSS. juhop, it doesn't works.
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1035[09:30:03] <amprxc> Dagger i try to make an IPv6 only network
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1038[09:31:06] <Dagger> okay, yeah, then you'll need a v6 DNS server
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1086[10:01:40] <Tech_8> anyoen awake
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1090[10:03:37] <hegemoOn> good morning, any preseed master ? im stuck because during dhcp configuration at boot, we dont define any dns.
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1093[10:04:17] <hegemoOn> when i try to create a VM, the automated install process stop on query to define a nameserver,
1094[10:04:30] <hegemoOn> i would like to automatically continue without defining a nameserver
1095[10:04:51] <hegemoOn> when i take remote controle over rdp, i can continue the install process without defining a nameserver
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1097[10:05:01] <hegemoOn> how can i achieve that with debian-installer ?
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1101[10:09:30] <hegemoOn> my fear is that it has nothing to do with preseed, as far as it is at the early begining of the install process at network detection/configuration for the installation.
1102[10:09:52] <hegemoOn> therefore, may be it cannot be modified in the preseed file
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1140[10:34:09] <dionysus69> I am on stable KDE and I get dbus-daemon 1.5gb memory leak, there are other bugs like this, if DE is this buggy it shouldn't be in the list of tasksel
1141[10:34:17] <dionysus69> of a stable* debian
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1162[10:40:39] <opv> hey all, i'm having a small issue with logrotate on debian 8. i've edited the logrotate.d/apache2 as to "rotate 7", but i still have more than 7 logfiles per website, and some older than 7 days, in my /var/log/apache2. i'd be thankful for assistance, as I'm not sure what's wrong here
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1169[10:42:22] <Fox> opv: pastebin your config please
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1171[10:43:43] <opv> Fox: replaced-url
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1173[10:45:28] <Fox> did you try "logrotate -d -f /etc/logrotate.d/apache2" to see what's going on ?
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1175[10:47:09] <opv> Fox: looks to me like it's ignoring the older logfiles. maybe because they're gzipped and therefore not *.log ?
1176[10:47:20] <Fox> oh sure :)
1177[10:48:09] <Fox> if the gzipped files were gzipped by logrotate it should remove them anyway
1178[10:48:19] <opv> yeah, that's exactly what's not happening
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1180[10:48:31] <opv> i'll just go ahead and remove them manually then...
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1193[10:55:57] <Fox> opv: and check tomorrow to see if you have the right count of log files :)
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1222[11:12:38] <opv> yeah...
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1226[11:16:25] <fred__tv> .
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1233[11:18:58] <fred__tv> Hi, usb wifi adapter : why wpa_supplicant process doesn't start (so no wifi) unless I comment out the "gateway" entry relative to wired eth0 on /etc/network/interfaces ??
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1242[11:22:29] <fred__tv> replaced-url
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1290[11:58:46] <airwind> hey, is it a good idea to move /tmp to RAM (tmpfs)?
1291[11:59:40] <airwind> (desktop PC, no SSD)
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1297[12:01:03] <vlt> airwind: Depends in your needs. I use tmpfs for /tmp on several machines but not all of them.
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1303[12:04:25] <airwind> vlt: what's your fstab entry? Do you use nosuid,nodev flags?
1304[12:04:37] <airwind> I heard noexec flag is a bad idea
1305[12:06:46] <airwind> actually wait, I just read you can use tmp.mount on systemd
1306[12:07:01] <airwind> systemctl enable tmp.mount
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1315[12:12:39] <mindbubble> Good day, I'm kind of new to this channel but I already have some questions I like to ask regarding root access on a debian 32 bit server.
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1321[12:14:11] <mindbubble> For a school project I need to change the root privilages on a secure machine, I tryd booting in recovery mode to Remount the server but I need to enter the root password that i dont have
1322[12:14:29] <mindbubble> Is there some one who could help me with this?
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1330[12:17:11] <p0g0> mindbubble: fwiw, you are asking the exact questions someone trying to hack a server they have no rights to... I'm already suspicious, for example.
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1337[12:18:53] <petn-randall> !frp
1338[12:18:53] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1339[12:19:12] <mindbubble> I understand, I do have access but just as a guest user. For this school project we need to search for vulnerbilities in a php code project. But the .vbi file that i have is restricted that's why i asked :)
1340[12:19:20] <petn-randall> mindbubble: See the factoid above ^^^. Note that you should only do that if you actually have authority to do so.
1341[12:19:31] <mindbubble> Thank you kind sir :)
1342[12:19:37] <kirk781> Bluetooth speakers output so low quality audio over the default HSP profile
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1376[12:30:27] <vlt> airwind: This is an fstab line: "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs size=2G 0 0"
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1379[12:32:00] <darxmurf> anybody runing KDE plasma here and know how to force the "folder view" mode by default instead of this "Default Desktop" ?
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1389[12:35:07] <chalcedony> my husband wants to get me a new motherboard. searching doesn't bring it up with debian, any thoughts on whether it will work?
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1391[12:35:44] <petn-randall> chalcedony: What model and make is this?
1392[12:35:48] <chalcedony> ASUS M5A78L-M Plus/USB3 DDR3 HDMI DVI USB 3.0 760G MicroATX Motherboard replaced-url
1393[12:36:16] <chalcedony> several places have them
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1396[12:37:53] <petn-randall> chalcedony: I expect it to run fine. It's usually (brand-new) graphics cards and Wifi that can give you problems.
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1398[12:38:40] <chalcedony> petn-randall, yes, i remember
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1400[12:38:56] <chalcedony> thank you :)
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1416[12:49:12] <Haohmaru> i've only had issues installing debian on certain old/obscure laptops
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1419[12:49:34] <kryl> hi, can you please give me a good idea for a popup reminder tool ? :-)
1420[12:50:03] <Haohmaru> you'll have paperclip soon in github
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1422[12:53:37] <Haohmaru> kryl, did you search in synaptic/apt for "reminder" ?
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1425[12:55:16] <colo-work> dist-upgrading an old wheezy machines with a TON of packages installed, `apt-get update` with jessie sources give this warning: "W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package sagenb-export" (repeated with different packages for a few times). what gives?
1426[12:56:02] <petn-randall> !bat
1427[12:56:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1429[12:56:13] <petn-randall> colo-work: Can you provide all info in a single paste? ^^^
1430[12:56:47] <colo-work> petn-randall, replaced-url
1431[12:56:58] <colo-work> ah, "full" means even more full
1432[12:57:00] <colo-work> wait a second pls :)
1433[12:57:29] <petn-randall> colo-work: Yes, reading the whole factoid helps tremendously. :)
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1435[12:58:07] <kryl> Haohmaru, I'll go for globonote there is a reminder. thank you.
1436[13:00:29] <colo-work> petn-randall, replaced-url
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1440[13:03:56] <petn-randall> colo-work: Did you upgrade it to the latest wheezy before dist-upgrading?
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1446[13:05:56] <petn-randall> colo-work: I'd check that first, this is a bug that seems to pop up when you try to skip releases.
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1449[13:06:29] <colo-work> petn-randall, no, the snapshot I'm trying this on is a few months old
1450[13:06:37] <colo-work> so it's wheezy from ~january this year
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1452[13:06:57] <colo-work> (looking to be upgraded to jessie as of today)
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1456[13:08:46] <colo-work> I'll try to get the wheezy snapshot up to date first
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1458[13:09:27] <petn-randall> colo-work: Yes, try that first. If that faily, temporarily remove jessie-backports, that seems to be the issue.
1459[13:09:47] <colo-work> petn-randall, thanks for the hint; we don't intend to use packages from that repo there anyway
1460[13:10:04] <petn-randall> faily=fails
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1497[13:26:43] <RedSoldier> hey sjimmie
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1500[13:28:27] <sjimmie322> A
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1515[13:32:54] <test_> hi
1516[13:32:58] <ConingCo> Hey
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1518[13:33:29] <test_> anyone know irc channel for blackhat hackers
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1520[13:33:40] <theraspberry> lmfao
1521[13:33:48] <ConingCo> lel
1522[13:34:18] <test_> any hacker here??
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1525[13:34:39] <theraspberry> #da7Q_9RnPjm
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1529[13:35:24] <ConingCo> I guess you'll have to pick an irc based on what you want to know, instead of a general blackhat irc
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1532[13:36:52] <test_> cool!! i found
1533[13:36:55] <test_> bye
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1555[13:44:00] <Mavericks> what's a good link to view man pages on the browser similar to devdocs.io ?
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1559[13:45:14] <petn-randall> Mavericks: I'd say the whole premise is wrong. Use 'man' to view them, that's the only way to ensure that they fit with the version of the command you have installed.
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1563[13:47:04] <themill> manpages.debian.org is a good resource though
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1565[13:48:03] <petn-randall> Mavericks: Oh, and you could use debiman to generate your own web pages.
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1597[14:02:32] <hassonofer> I'm running Debian Jessie on a new Dell Latitude laptop, the touchpad keys are "mixed" only by running xinput set mapping I can fix them, did anyone had that experience ? how do I fix it permanently ?
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1600[14:03:25] <petn-randall> hassonofer: If you're running oldstable on a new laptop, chances are your problems will go away by upgrading.
1601[14:03:50] <hicks> Not sure about a real fix, but when I need to remap things I tend to just pop it into my bashrc. But I'd first upgrade to stretch as jessie is moving to limited LTS support this month I think?
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1604[14:04:41] <gunix> ,v jitsi
1605[14:04:42] <hassonofer> petn-randall, I'm planning to upgrading to Stretch, but I wish to have a temporary solution for now...
1606[14:04:43] <judd> No package named 'jitsi' was found in amd64.
1607[14:05:02] <hassonofer> Thanks anyway
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1622[14:08:53] <jelly> hassonofer: or you will have a different set of problems!
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1709[14:47:04] <ces> so, what is the best way to find a computer that changes network rather frequently?
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1713[14:47:41] <ces> fyi, i have access to it atm, but it's assumed that it will move around
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1723[14:51:01] <deego> Does anyone else see this: On debian stable, any invocation of webmagick, including --help yields this: Can't use 'defined(%hash)' (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) at /usr/bin/webmagick line 1329.
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1773[15:13:49] <rjdp9736> I am on debian using sublime , does sublime use system fonts ? I need to change sublime fonts as they are looking quite hideous
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1803[15:31:17] <NetTerminalGene> why does google use their own debian testing base distro instead of stable?
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1814[15:37:20] <babilen> NetTerminalGene: What's the purpose of testing? Why might Google decide to base their own 'stable' release base on testing in the light of that? What advantages does basing your own distribution on testing have over basing in on stable?
1815[15:38:28] <NetTerminalGene> babilen, do you have any answer?
1816[15:38:32] <FinalX> and why don't you ask them? it's not like we're Google :)
1817[15:38:51] <NetTerminalGene> i expect guessing
1818[15:39:10] <greycat> Because they love the letter T, and testing has twice as many Ts as stable.
1819[15:39:37] <greycat> Also infinitely more Gs.
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1821[15:40:25] <Haohmaru> okay, now i see why google doesn't like me
1822[15:41:05] <FinalX> hmhm, no G's and no T's.
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1825[15:41:44] <Trel> Is there anything I can do with the installer for Debian so it doesn't try DHCP before offering me the optioin to manually configure the network?
1826[15:43:04] <jelly> greycat: stretch is current stable so the same amount of tees
1827[15:44:00] <Haohmaru> Trel, i think you can press Back and then get to that list of "steps" of the installation process
1828[15:44:01] <greycat> He didn't say *good* guessing.
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1830[15:44:13] <jelly> but buster has just 50%
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1832[15:44:35] <Trel> Haohmaru: can you do that while it's doing the DHCP check or do you have to wait for it to fail first?
1833[15:44:38] <Haohmaru> or unplug the cable so that network configuration fails, and then press back..
1834[15:44:45] <Trel> Not as easy on a VM
1835[15:44:49] <Haohmaru> i don't remember
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1837[15:45:11] <Haohmaru> but in many places of the installation you can press Back and get to "that list" i mentioned
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1840[15:45:27] <farruinn> Trel: drop into a shell? The expert install option also gives you more control.
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1842[15:45:57] <Haohmaru> farruinn, i'm scared of "expert/advanced" installation
1843[15:46:05] <Haohmaru> ..since i installed slackware that way
1844[15:46:06] <Haohmaru> x_x
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1849[15:47:05] <farruinn> Haohmaru: "expert" in the debian install just means you always go to that list you mentioned. Might be a couple additional list items as well.
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1851[15:47:19] <Haohmaru> oh, k then
1852[15:47:37] <Haohmaru> the slackware horror was.. it asked for absolutely every package
1853[15:47:38] <Trel> Yeah, I've gone back before, the rest of the install is fine, I'd just love if I could choose manual/automatic before it tries.
1854[15:47:46] <Trel> Actually that may be something to suggest then
1855[15:49:42] <Trel> Do you want to install the keyboard driver (y/n): ?
1856[15:49:53] <Trel> </Slackware>
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1871[15:59:18] <SerajewelKS> what would cause cron to use UTC for running jobs instead of the system timezone? the timezone was set weeks ago and the box has rebooted since then, but cron is still using a UTC clock to run jobs.
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1873[15:59:53] <greycat> It should use the default timezone, as defined in 'cat /etc/timezone'
1874[16:00:19] <greycat> Maybe the *clock* is set wrong?
1875[16:01:21] <babilen> NetTerminalGene: Basically: Testing is used as a tool to create the next stable release in Debian (nothing else) and therefore serves as a good starting point if you want to bake your own distribution with newer software than what is in stable.
1876[16:01:31] <SerajewelKS> greycat: date -> Wed Jun 6 10:01:21 EDT 2018
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1878[16:01:39] <SerajewelKS> jobs still ran four hours late
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1883[16:02:04] <greycat> SerajewelKS: ls -ld /etc/timezone; cat /etc/timezone
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1885[16:02:26] <SerajewelKS> greycat: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 May 30 03:30 /etc/timezone \n America/Indiana/Indianapolis
1886[16:02:57] <SerajewelKS> okay now i'm wondering if i didn't reboot
1887[16:03:01] <SerajewelKS> uptime is 7+ days
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1889[16:03:12] <SerajewelKS> so i guess i just need to restart cron. sheesh.
1890[16:03:35] <SerajewelKS> dammit. nothing like being sure of something that ain't so.
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1904[16:14:15] <Akuw> hi
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1906[16:14:51] <Akuw> actually i have a mail service with a private provider. it is possible to create a mirror server if that server go off line ?
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1908[16:15:26] <greycat> In DNS, the MX record(s) define where to deliver mail for your domain. They have a priority number.
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1912[16:16:05] <jelly> Akuw: you can use tools like imapsync to make incrementally updated copies of user's mailboxes
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1914[16:16:20] <greycat> Be warned that setting up a secondary MX is *difficult* to get right, because you'll want it to have some knowledge of which users/accounts are valid email addresses, so it can reject mail instead of bouncing mail.
1915[16:16:36] <Akuw> bt what happen if that server go off line, then all mails will go to my own server ?
1916[16:16:47] <greycat> What do you *want* to happen?
1917[16:17:17] <jelly> Akuw: that is not a good idea. If your mail provider is unreliable, switch to a different provider (that includes self-hosting)
1918[16:17:32] <jelly> do NOT use secondary MX
1919[16:17:40] <Akuw> ok, this days the mail server goes off line because provider had a problem with hardware so the company can't have mail
1920[16:17:56] <Akuw> then what is the solution for this case
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1924[16:19:21] <jelly> Akuw: set up mailbox storage and users (MDA), set up smtp server that accepts mail for relevant addresses and delivers to said storage (MTA), switch over DNS records
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1926[16:19:50] <Akuw> i mean, Mail Server A is a private mail server provider, then i would like if that server goes off line then all mails go to my Server B
1927[16:19:50] <jelly> DNS records include: MX records, SPF (TXT record), maybe more
1928[16:20:03] <greycat> I'd listen to jelly. He's good at this.
1929[16:20:28] <Akuw> jelly: then it is possible?
1930[16:20:37] <jelly> Akuw: you can have MDA and MTA set up in advance. When shit hits the fan, just switch over the DNS records
1931[16:21:03] <jelly> of course it's possible, it's how people change mail providers
1932[16:21:16] <Akuw> then if provider server goes off line i can get mails in my server
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1934[16:21:23] <jelly> yes.
1935[16:21:35] <Akuw> but both servers will have same mails? like mirror ?
1936[16:21:41] <greycat> no
1937[16:22:03] <jelly> Akuw: no, that's not easy to setup and has other requirements.
1938[16:22:13] <Akuw> ok
1939[16:22:32] <greycat> Jelly is proposing that you make a PERMANENT switch to your own mail server.
1940[16:22:33] <jelly> replicated MDA is nice to have but varying degrees of complexity
1941[16:22:39] <Akuw> the other option is to configure our own mail server right?
1942[16:22:41] <jelly> yes.
1943[16:22:50] <Akuw> ok
1944[16:22:52] <Akuw> i see
1945[16:23:03] <jelly> if your mail provider is not reliable, switch to a reliable one.
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1948[16:23:11] <Akuw> heheheheh
1949[16:23:14] <Akuw> is a solution
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1952[16:23:54] <jelly> you can copy and synchronize mailboxes IF the source provider still works. If it dies it's dead.
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1957[16:24:14] <kryl> hi
1958[16:24:19] <jelly> if you think it's going to die soon, switch before it's too late?
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1960[16:24:36] <greycat> sounds like it already slightly died
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1964[16:25:10] <jelly> that said, if you have different implementations of IMAP you can whip up poor-man's replication with imapsync
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1968[16:25:35] <jelly> works better when you have a master password that works on all users
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1971[16:25:58] <petn-randall> imapsync is actually quite good if you want to migrate. I used it a couple of weeks ago to move an account.
1972[16:26:03] <kryl> XFS (dm-6): metadata I/O error: block 0x81a4e50 < there is a cluster of faw disk mounted in stripping mode with LVM, one of them seems to have problem. Is it possible to find it if I know the block of the partition ?
1973[16:26:06] <jelly> (dovecot has that, courier too, even office365 has a master password setup)
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1975[16:27:36] <Akuw> ok
1976[16:27:39] <jelly> kryl: you should be able to figure it out from dmtable output, maybe. Ask in #lvm, that's where upstream devs for device-mapper hang out and they might know if there's a saner way
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1978[16:28:02] <jelly> erm. "dmsetup table", not dmtable
1979[16:28:08] <Akuw> is the any documentation about how to install and configure own mail server
1980[16:28:23] <jelly> heh
1981[16:28:25] <Akuw> so if i buy a domain name DNS will be?
1982[16:28:46] <Akuw> jelly: just to know how to create one, it is not for migration
1983[16:28:50] <jelly> Akuw: it's half a dozen components or more, each with their own docs, and a dozen RFC documents
1984[16:28:50] <kryl> jelly, alright. thank you
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1986[16:29:18] <Akuw> thank you jelly for previous info
1987[16:29:38] <Akuw> suppose i want to create my own mail server, what i need to read ?
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1990[16:29:59] <greycat> You seem confused about DNS and domains, so I'd start there.
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1992[16:30:12] <jelly> Akuw: all of that.
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1995[16:30:33] <jelly> as a mail admin, "don't self host mail, pay someone else to do it"
1996[16:31:02] <Akuw> jelly: i understand that
1997[16:31:10] <greycat> and this time, pick someone whose hardware doesn't go down for days at a time
1998[16:31:15] <Akuw> but i want to learn how to install and configure
1999[16:31:28] <Akuw> greycat: for sure
2000[16:31:36] <jelly> Akuw: replaced-url
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2002[16:32:42] <jelly> Akuw: each of the components has their own "how to install and configure", the MTA, the MDA, antispam, user databases, webmail if you want it...
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2005[16:32:57] <Akuw> ok
2006[16:33:23] <Akuw> little question, once mail server is installed how the people can reach it?
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2008[16:33:34] <Akuw> buying domain name ?
2009[16:33:35] <jelly> then dkim/dmarc signing for improved delivery, then encryption, then something for a feedback loop....
2010[16:33:35] <greycat> Usually IMAP or (older) POP3.
2011[16:34:09] <greycat> I assumed by "people" you meant "my users".
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2014[16:34:27] <jelly> a domain under your control is a requirement if you want to receive mail for that domain yes
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2016[16:34:37] <Akuw> ok
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2025[16:36:29] <jelly> I mean you _can_ just install postfix and dovecot-imapd and use unix users and make it work, but soon after that you start getting spam, sending spam, and having problems with delivery and then you have to learn about all the details
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2034[16:39:58] <Akuw> ok
2035[16:40:34] <Akuw> jelly: you know, here i buy a domain and can request DNS changes
2036[16:40:43] <Akuw> then i need a public ip
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2038[16:40:49] <Akuw> ?
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2042[16:42:06] <greycat> To receve mail, yes.
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2045[16:42:32] <greycat> not for *$e
2046[16:42:34] <petn-randall> (It also helps greatly for sending mails, assuming you're not using a relay account).
2047[16:42:36] <greycat> ... mischannel
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2051[16:44:04] <jelly> Akuw: you need a server with a static ip to put in the MX (or A) record for your domain.
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2056[16:44:56] <Akuw> in the case i am using a DSL to test ?
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2059[16:45:24] <jelly> you can't test delivery from the internet without a static ip and valid DNS records
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2062[16:45:35] <jelly> and tcp/25 access to that IP
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2064[16:45:46] <greycat> Using DSL to test *what* precisely? How is that going to mimic your real target solution?
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2068[16:46:27] <Akuw> ok, i will buy domain name and need to point to my pc
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2070[16:46:47] <jelly> and many providers will just block inbound 25/tcp traffic to consumer DSL subscribers
2071[16:46:49] <greycat> It needs to point to a server at some point. Where is your server?
2072[16:47:09] <jelly> so no, you can't have a mail server on your DSL
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2074[16:47:11] <Akuw> greycat: this is only to test
2075[16:47:17] <Akuw> humm
2076[16:47:18] <greycat> Again, to test *what*?
2077[16:47:21] <jelly> get a cheap VPS somewhere.
2078[16:47:22] <Akuw> then i need a VPS
2079[16:47:27] <Akuw> yes
2080[16:47:31] <Akuw> is the solution
2081[16:47:34] <Akuw> VPS
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2085[16:48:03] <jelly> and then you'll have an A record and will be able to test sending to username@full.hostname.example.org right after installing a MTA
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2087[16:48:37] <Akuw> ok
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2090[16:49:05] <Akuw> actually i have a domain name, but when i use whois there is 2 DNS servers
2091[16:49:21] <jelly> you can test things out with a subdomain
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2093[16:50:07] <Akuw> for mail servers i have to request they add A record?
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2095[16:50:30] <jelly> and a matching PTR record.
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2097[16:50:47] <TvL2386> and a MX record?
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2099[16:50:53] <TvL2386> :)
2100[16:50:53] <jelly> not required
2101[16:51:10] <jelly> but nice to have and easier to manage later
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2104[16:51:26] <TvL2386> how is a remote mailserver going to find yours without an MX record
2105[16:51:46] <greycat> they fall back to A record if MX is missing
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2107[16:51:51] <TvL2386> ohw
2108[16:51:55] <greycat> but ideally you'll have both
2109[16:51:57] <jelly> TvL2386: RFC5321 says in absence of MX record an A record is used
2110[16:51:58] <TvL2386> I did not know that
2111[16:52:05] <TvL2386> okay
2112[16:52:10] <TvL2386> TIL
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2115[16:53:16] <jelly> read chapters 5. Address Resolution and Mail Handling 5.1. Locating the Target Host
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2119[16:54:07] <TvL2386> I will! After I've found out how to get this script to run before my interface comes up on ubuntu-18.04
2120[16:54:17] <TvL2386> no "pre-up" -_-
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2122[16:55:56] <Akuw> i would like the learning path to Mail, DNS, Proxy and DHCP
2123[16:56:20] <TvL2386> I'm managing firewall rules using `iptables-restore < /etc/iptables-v4`. Works great and fine... But with this new `netplan` way of managing interfaces it won't execute the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables-restore script anymore
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2127[16:58:12] <TvL2386> Akuw: good luck!
2128[16:58:18] <jelly> I wish I had a course to recommend.
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2130[16:58:29] <Akuw> jelly: hehehehe
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2132[16:58:38] <TvL2386> I have this Linux For Dummies book upstairs which teaches all those things :)
2133[16:58:49] <TvL2386> it's over 10 years old though
2134[16:58:54] <Akuw> hehehe
2135[16:59:00] <jelly> TvL2386: netplan is not in Debian yet, so problem solved :)
2136[16:59:23] <TvL2386> jelly: yeah I can't say it's been a pleasant surprise :)
2137[16:59:24] <jelly> but I heard they have a web site with DOCUMENTATION
2138[16:59:34] <TvL2386> I didn't only hear it, I read it
2139[16:59:36] <jelly> and an irc channel, too
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2141[16:59:46] <TvL2386> yeah, I'm there, asked the question 2 hours ago
2142[16:59:51] <TvL2386> but nobody is saying anything
2143[16:59:53] <jelly> be patient
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2147[17:00:32] <jelly> (also, #ubuntu-server)
2148[17:00:44] <TvL2386> cool!
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2151[17:00:49] <TvL2386> didn't know that channel exists
2152[17:00:58] <TvL2386> I've asked it in #ubuntu, but no response either
2153[17:01:05] <jelly> /msg alis list keyword
2154[17:01:12] <jelly> to search for channels
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2157[17:01:33] <jelly> and /msg alis help
2158[17:02:02] <jelly> alis is freenode-specific, other irc networks have /list
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2163[17:03:25] <TvL2386> nice :)
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2187[17:13:34] <bitSt0rm> Need help to fix my nvidia-drivers, I messed them up trying to install steam. These are my currently installed packages: replaced-url
2188[17:13:49] <bitSt0rm> Running Debian stretch
2189[17:14:00] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: please use paste.debian.net
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2193[17:14:17] <bitSt0rm> np, few secs
2194[17:14:28] <nkuttler> also, why do you think something is broken?
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2197[17:15:21] <jelly> bitSt0rm: what fails to work? Does X start?
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2202[17:16:09] <bitSt0rm> (I don't know how to shrink my image nkuttler, will use paste.debian.net in the future)
2203[17:16:29] <kazdax> hello users
2204[17:16:38] <bitSt0rm> jelly, x starts I think. My desktop works fine LXDE, openbox f.e.
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2213[17:17:57] <bitSt0rm> jelly, but I accidently installed a bunch of 340xx drivers which I think overwrite bumblebee settings
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2215[17:18:32] <bitSt0rm> jelly, and I need to do a complete reinstall now is the easietst i think
2216[17:20:10] <bitSt0rm> jelly, bumblebee has no manpages f.e., and it can't start.
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2219[17:20:33] <bitSt0rm> So I really messed some stuff up
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2221[17:20:41] <jelly> bitSt0rm: I'd purge all the nvidia thingies, then redo from there
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2230[17:23:12] <jelly> bitSt0rm: see if this catches them all: aptitude search '~i ?or(?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx),?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers))'
2231[17:23:21] <bitSt0rm> jelly, thanks!
2232[17:23:29] <jelly> if it does change search to purge
2233[17:23:56] <jelly> maybe even without ~i
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2248[17:30:58] <RedSoxFan07> bitSt0rm: Just out of curiousity, which gen card are you using?
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2253[17:32:12] <bitSt0rm> RedSoxFan07, 1050Ti (Mobile)
2254[17:32:21] <RedSoxFan07> Interesting.
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2257[17:32:44] <bitSt0rm> RedSoxFan07, how come?
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2261[17:34:12] <bitSt0rm> Btw, what is the difference between using aptitude purge and apt-get purge?
2262[17:35:36] <hxmuller> aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken
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2268[17:39:11] <deego> and grass-fed. bitSt0rm: none. OTOH, I don't know if aptitude can do the equivalent of apt-get install --purge
2269[17:39:33] <deego> anyone know?
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2273[17:42:04] <jelly> bitSt0rm: aptitude purges automatically removed dependencies I think; apt-get does not
2274[17:42:05] <hxmuller> deego: a review of both manpages show that they do the same thing
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2285[17:46:25] <RedSoxFan07> bitSt0rm: I can't get my GT 1030 working with the 390.48 driver. When I have that driver installed and the GPU in the PC, I only get past the FSCK screen to be stuck with a blinking text cursor.
2286[17:48:44] <Akuw> jelly: thank you very much
2287[17:48:52] <deego> jelly and hxmuller: thanks i didn't know that
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2290[17:48:59] <Akuw> i will start reading replaced-url
2291[17:49:08] <deego> that is, aptitude purges when removing?
2292[17:49:19] <Akuw> thanks greycat
2293[17:49:24] <RedSoxFan07> bitSt0rm: Though, when I connect the display to the other port on the GPU, it gets a little further. It gives me an error message that says: Failed to start Light Display Manager. See 'systemctl status lightdm.service for details"
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2296[17:50:46] <deego> ah, aptitude seems to have (finally?) added a --purge-unused option.
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2298[17:51:24] <deego> And, it is only when i use it that I see {p} so it's probably not the default
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2302[17:52:45] <deego> <hxmuller> deego: a review of both manpages show that they do the same thing <<=== my q was not about comparing apt-get purge and aptitude purge. It was to find an equivalent of apt-get install --purge
2303[17:53:10] <deego> example apt-get install foo --purge will purge any bar that's installed when instaling foo
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2306[17:53:36] <bitSt0rm> RedSoxFan07 do /etc/X11/xorg.conf exsist?
2307[17:54:41] <bitSt0rm> RedSoxFan07, I had to remove it - you could try changing the filename to xorg.conf.backup for example, and see if it works out maybe?
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2309[17:56:03] <somiaj> The xorg.conf file shouldn't exist unless it was created by something, and the old tool to create it isn't suggested with modern xorg.
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2311[17:57:22] <bitSt0rm> somiaj, it somehow got installed for me, when I installed the drivers|bumblebee|optimus, not sure which one it was
2312[17:57:34] <bitSt0rm> *created
2313[17:58:04] <bitSt0rm> somiaj, so basically xorg.conf is useless in any case?
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2321[18:00:52] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: usually instructions have someone run some xconfig or tool that generates an xorg.conf file, and I don't suggest using that.
2322[18:01:21] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: if using nvidia sometimes you have to add a few lines to an xorg.conf (some things don't get automatically detected), but I find it better to only add the pieces needed, not to generate a full file
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2325[18:01:34] <somiaj> I thikn optimus is similar, but unsure on that hardware since I have avoided owning any machiens with it
2326[18:02:00] <somiaj> though I think in stretch, nvidia is auto detected, optimus may not be, make sure you follow the wiki for optimus hardware
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2328[18:04:13] <bitSt0rm> somiaj, I think you are correct about running some tool that generated the file. Bad memory.
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2333[18:06:11] <bitSt0rm> I couldn't quite get the solution (previously suggested) to work for reconfiguring my drivers. I'm gonna try to purge all nvidia-packages on my machine - will that be safe? I'm a bit afraid to end up with a system that wont boot into terminal at the least, for example
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2335[18:07:13] <hxmuller> Reporting in on getting Ryzen 3 2200g to boot: cannot compile 4.17 kernel using stable (requires gcc-7 apparently), compiling today using testing
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2337[18:07:59] <greycat> ,kernels
2338[18:08:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.16.5-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae (3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
2339[18:08:01] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2343[18:09:28] <hxmuller> judd: thanks, experimental 4.17 is also available by source
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2345[18:10:05] <greycat> It's available from upstream (kernel.org), but not in experimental yet.
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2347[18:11:01] <hxmuller> git clone replaced-url
2348[18:11:31] <greycat> more experimental than experimental?
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2350[18:11:39] <hxmuller> i started compiling it yesterday, it threw a bunch of errors
2351[18:11:49] <hxmuller> turns out 4.17 wants gcc-7
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2353[18:12:26] <somiaj> ,v gcc-7
2354[18:12:27] <judd> Package: gcc-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.0-19; sid: 7.3.0-21
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2356[18:12:49] <somiaj> wonder what they do to backport in the case gcc-7 is needed (as it might be needed for 4.16 as well)
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2361[18:13:26] <somiaj> though I though some of the stuff needed in gcc-7 was backported to gcc-6 due to the meltdown fixes needing some additional feature in the compiler, like p-something
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2363[18:13:34] <greycat> probably the same way they handled needing a patched gcc to build the spectre mitigation code in 4.9.x
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2365[18:13:55] <somiaj> yea, was wondering if maybe there was enough build stuff in backports to build it
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2367[18:14:30] <somiaj> arg not p-something, retpoline
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2370[18:15:04] <bitSt0rm> Can I use aptitude/apt-get to search for 'removed packages reamining configuration files'?
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2373[18:16:36] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: dpkg -l | grep ^rc
2374[18:16:47] <somiaj> lists all packages that have been removed but still have config files on your system.
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2376[18:17:08] <bitSt0rm> Thanks! :)
2377[18:17:17] <throwthecheese> How can I charge my laptop from a portable source without an USB-C port?
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2381[18:19:01] <somiaj> if the only way to power the device is via 120V AC, you'll need a big battery and a dc to ac converter.
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2383[18:19:22] <somiaj> I have that issue in my rv, needing to use an inverter to power my laptop due to using dc
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2387[18:21:31] <throwthecheese> I need something for charging a laptop while commuting
2388[18:21:42] <somiaj> (though most laptops power cords convert ac to dc, so kinda annoying you can't just charge from dc directly)
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2390[18:22:24] <somiaj> unless you have some special laptop, you'll need a batery that an inverter, then plug your laptop into the inverter, and let it convert back to DC...I don't think most laptops have a nice way to be charged from dc directly.
2391[18:23:28] <bites> there are laptop power banks on amazon with an ac outlet.
2392[18:23:47] <somiaj> so they have an inverter already built in?
2393[18:23:54] <somiaj> nice, still be nice to be able to just charge from dc directly
2394[18:24:01] <bites> yep. and yeah, the efficiency suffers a bit.
2395[18:24:18] <throwthecheese> Are they compatible with all types of devices?
2396[18:24:46] <bites> just get one with more wattage than your charger.
2397[18:24:50] <somiaj> should be, the inverter produces ac current, you should be able to plug your laptop in like you would a wall socket.
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2402[18:26:04] <throwthecheese> How do I recover a lithium battery?
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2405[18:26:22] <somiaj> if the batery went bad, usually just need to get a new one?
2406[18:26:33] <somiaj> is the actual issue your laptop batery is no longer working?
2407[18:26:47] <somiaj> I have had to replace multiple batteries in my laptops over the years.
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2411[18:28:08] <throwthecheese> The device I'm using ATM is not giving its original 3-hour uptime
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2414[18:28:48] <throwthecheese> Worse, it has a Li-ion battery
2415[18:29:06] <somiaj> yea, batteries go bad over time. It might be cheaper to replace the laptop battery than buy some sort of external battery pack to carry around
2416[18:29:25] <somiaj> and the old Li-ion batteries went bad far more often.
2417[18:29:40] <nodiscc> throwthecheese: If you are running something like xfce4-power-amanger or similar power manager it can guve you the factory capacity value vs. actual capacity
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2420[18:30:05] <throwthecheese> And the wire I use for that device started being really rebellious
2421[18:30:06] <nodiscc> but yeah my batteries are usually dead after a few years
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2424[18:30:47] <nodiscc> throwthecheese: better find the part number on the battery and look for a replacement one
2425[18:30:51] <throwthecheese> The battery in this device is at 40% capacity
2426[18:32:32] <bites> on my used thinkpad it helped doing a recalibration with tlp, but i don't know what you would do on something other than a thinkpad.
2427[18:32:59] <throwthecheese> I have a separate laptop for travel and I have to use its power cable for this laptop
2428[18:33:44] <somiaj> maybe just hibernate the laptop (instead of suspend). You won't be able to use it while you travel, but you should be able to recover once you reboot it when it is plugged in
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2430[18:34:35] <throwthecheese> There are lots of power cables at home, but all of the are FEMALE and I need a MALE cable as both of my laptops have a two-part charger
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2433[18:35:23] <somiaj> though this dosen't seem to much like debian support, ##hardware may have some other advise they should share.
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2435[18:35:40] <somiaj> but I would replace the battery if it is going bad and you want ot keep the laptop mobil
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2447[18:40:19] <bitSt0rm> 1) I've purged everything related to primus/optimus/bumblebee/nvidia.
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2449[18:40:47] <bitSt0rm> 2) I get errors with broken dependencies: replaced-url
2450[18:41:28] <bitSt0rm> 3) I've tried apt-get update --fix-missing, and apt-get update --fix-broken, but still the same.
2451[18:41:47] <bitSt0rm> How do I go about this?
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2453[18:43:13] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-driver-libs
2454[18:43:14] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver-libs on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.48-2~bpo9+3; buster/non-free: 390.48-3; sid/non-free: 390.59-1
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2456[18:43:36] <deego> bitSt0rm: did you already try apt-get -f install?
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2458[18:43:56] <deego> and if nothing else works, go to dpkg -r, etc. :)
2459[18:44:15] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver?
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2465[18:46:16] <bitSt0rm> deego, apt-get -f didn't work. Will try your other suggestion in a minute. nkuttler: replaced-url
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2468[18:47:01] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: which command did you actually use on replaced-url
2469[18:47:54] <bitSt0rm> nkuttler, okay, will remember, I used: apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
2470[18:48:01] <nkuttler> that's the other paste
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2473[18:48:28] <bitSt0rm> replaced-url
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2475[18:48:53] <nkuttler> that's the other paste
2476[18:49:25] <bitSt0rm> Oh sorry, I misunderstood: sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver
2477[18:49:33] <bitSt0rm> Was the command used
2478[18:49:37] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: which version do you want to install?
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2481[18:50:36] <bitSt0rm> nkuttler, 390.48
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2483[18:50:53] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: man apt-get, use -t
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2490[18:54:08] <bitSt0rm> nkuttler, replaced-url
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2494[18:55:08] <nkuttler> bitSt0rm: that flag takes an argument
2495[18:55:36] <bitSt0rm> Sorry, I will read the man page again
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2502[18:58:23] <bitSt0rm> sudo apt-get install -t '390.*' nvidia-driver ---- E: The value '390.*' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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2504[18:58:57] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: -t stretch-backports
2505[18:59:01] <somiaj> you state the release name, not the version you want
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2507[18:59:15] <bitSt0rm> Oh!
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2510[19:00:02] <bitSt0rm> Works like magic! :D Thanks
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2537[19:29:56] <bitSt0rm> startx terminates with error. I get: No devices deteted \n Fatal server error \n No screens found (EE). This happends after I created /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf with settings: section "Device" identifier \n "MyGPU" driver \n "nvidia" \n EndSection
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2541[19:32:04] <bitSt0rm> That is: I cannot get to loginscreen and I try to run $startx from console
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2543[19:34:33] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: this is optimous hardware? Sometimes you have to configure your bios to be able to use the nvidia as the only card.
2544[19:34:36] <sysrpl> hello
2545[19:35:13] <sysrpl> hey can someone please help me resolve strange problem? at both lightdm and gdm3, i can move my mouse, but left click don't ativate anything. they only cancel. as a result i cannot change my xsession. also, relate in cinnamon, the task panel doesn't not respond to left clicks as well
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2547[19:35:18] <somiaj> bitSt0rm: replaced-url
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2555[19:37:44] <somiaj> sysrpl: you may need to check your Xorg.0.log file and see what sort of settings your pointer has. Sounds like some issue with your pointer device.
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2565[19:43:07] <sysrpl> somiaj, i have the same problem with my touchpad
2566[19:43:10] <sysrpl> and my mouse
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2579[19:53:12] <DammitJim> is there a way for me to see on my server if other servers are connected to my samba shares?
2580[19:53:19] <DammitJim> like if a server has a mount to my server?
2581[19:53:43] <useless-eater> going to put 4x 3T disks in a raid 10, should I use software raid + lvm or btrfs? Winchester disks. What would generally be best?
2582[19:53:51] <useless-eater> DammitJim: smbstat or something I think
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2589[19:54:09] <useless-eater> DammitJim: smbstatus
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2593[19:55:25] <rfleming> Greetings!
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2596[19:55:53] <DammitJim> thanks useless-eater, but does that tell you if there is a current active connection?
2597[19:56:03] <rfleming> is there some sort of guide that explains the files in .config?
2598[19:56:16] <rfleming> (for GNOME)
2599[19:56:24] <Sato> im trying to install my usb wifi card but i dont understand installing things on linux. Also no internet to get the driver online, i have to transfer it over on USB.
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2601[19:56:56] <useless-eater> DammitJim: Hm yea, I thought so, long time since I used samba, but smbstatus gave me a nice view of all connected clients if I remember correctly
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2603[19:57:24] <somiaj> systo: you could see xev and see what event is getting registered when you click the mouse. I'm not quite sure what the issue could be
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2605[19:58:20] <useless-eater> rfleming: the files inside ~/.config/ ? Thats is where programs store user configuration mostly.
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2607[19:59:49] <rfleming> useless-eater: yes, exactly. I'm looking to back up portions of this folder, and want to know what is important and what isn't
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2609[20:00:12] <useless-eater> rfleming: could be important, but depends :)
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2613[20:00:36] <rfleming> well, evolution isn't something I use, nor do I know what's in goa-1.0
2614[20:00:46] <somiaj> rfleming: they are user configs for the different programs you use. You could always just move stuff out, the config will get regerneated by the software. If you loose customiziations, you have identified what it is used for.
2615[20:00:47] <rfleming> (actually, I do) :)
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2617[20:01:03] <rfleming> somiaj: I guess that's one way to do it :)
2618[20:01:19] <somiaj> things should not break by moving the files out of there, they will just use any user configurations
2619[20:01:45] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. I have ralink mt7601u wifi dongle. Network manager does not sees it. lsmod shows mt7601u module. Everything is installed. Cant use network manager to use it. I'm i missing something?
2620[20:02:45] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: check in /etc/network/interfaces and see if your wlan adapter is set to manual
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2622[20:03:13] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: by everything, you mean you installed the firmware-misc-nonfree package?
2623[20:03:14] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: something like `iface wlan1 inet manual` ... deleting the line should 'fix' the issue
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2625[20:03:37] <Rust3dCor3> i got this : iface lo inet loopback
2626[20:03:50] <Rust3dCor3> changing to manual
2627[20:03:59] <rfleming> no
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2629[20:04:04] <rfleming> leave lo as loopback
2630[20:04:04] <Rust3dCor3> why no?
2631[20:04:05] <greycat> do NOT touch the lo lines
2632[20:04:32] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: lo is a different adapter for local loopback
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2634[20:04:36] <Rust3dCor3> ok
2635[20:04:37] <greycat> if your wifi interface isn't mentioned in this file, then it's not being managed by this file at all
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2637[20:04:47] <Rust3dCor3> so what i can do?
2638[20:04:52] <rfleming> bbiab
2639[20:05:04] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: did you install the non-free firmware?
2640[20:05:55] <Rust3dCor3> firmware-misc-nonfree is installed
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2642[20:06:23] <somiaj> have you reloaded the module/rebooted since you installed that? Can you see your wireless device in the output of 'ip a'
2643[20:06:42] <Rust3dCor3> ive rebooted my pc
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2645[20:07:14] <Rust3dCor3> 4: wlx20e9170928ee: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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2648[20:07:34] <Rust3dCor3> its there
2649[20:07:52] <hxmuller> I have not configured or compiled a kernel since my "linux from scratch" days, I forgot how detail oriented it can be.
2650[20:08:12] <greycat> I don't even want to know how bad it is now. I stopped in the 2.6.x series.
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2652[20:08:52] <rfleming> back
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2654[20:09:31] <somiaj> you should be able to grab a debian confing in /boot/config-foo and start from there, might not be that much you need to change from 4.16 to 4.17 to get a debian kernel
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2656[20:09:45] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: that seems normal, unsure why network-manager is not seeing that interface.
2657[20:09:48] <hxmuller> greycat: yeah it's been over 10 years for me
2658[20:09:59] <hxmuller> somiaj: thanks, that's exactly what I did
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2660[20:10:07] <hxmuller> Just reading through all the new stuff
2661[20:10:56] <Rust3dCor3> wicd als does not show the wifi .. even if i put wlx20e9170928ee to the config
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2663[20:11:16] <somiaj> ahh, I just blindy grab the debian config these days, last time I looked through menuconfig was 3.0-rc1 or something, and I decided at that time it wasn't worth it anymore.
2664[20:11:33] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: you could check demsg and see if there are any errors about that device that could be relvent
2665[20:11:47] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: is this Deb9?
2666[20:12:27] <Rust3dCor3> deb 9.4
2667[20:12:35] <rfleming> I'm wondering if it's related to the mac address randomization bug
2668[20:12:36] <hxmuller> somiaj: I'm working on getting an AMD Ryzen 3 2200g booted. I don't want to miss anything.
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2671[20:13:18] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: try the workaround mentioned here: replaced-url
2672[20:13:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2674[20:13:50] <rfleming> maybe your adapter didn't get fixed
2675[20:14:24] <somiaj> hxmuller: yea, after seeing you in here, I'm glad I postoned getting a Ryzen 3 myself.
2676[20:14:40] <greycat> why would n-m be doing MAC randomization by default...?
2677[20:14:43] <hxmuller> somiaj: I love the challenge
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2679[20:15:35] <somiaj> greycat: because it can of course!
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2681[20:15:47] <Rust3dCor3> should i unload the module after service network-manager restart?
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2683[20:15:55] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: that shouldn't matter
2684[20:16:04] <Rust3dCor3> so.. still no wifi
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2686[20:17:05] <rfleming> Rust3dCor3: I don't know. Sorry.
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2688[20:17:10] <Rust3dCor3> no problem
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2690[20:17:18] <Rust3dCor3> im always in deep shit :D
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2692[20:18:11] <somiaj> or just manually configure your wifi
2693[20:18:19] <somiaj> I use wpa_supplicant in roam mode myself
2694[20:18:19] <vmp> /join #offsec
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2698[20:20:01] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: I'm unsure why nm is not detecting that card, everythig you have shared seems fine so far. Did you see anything in dmesg that could look relivant?
2699[20:20:16] <Rust3dCor3> forgot about it
2700[20:20:18] <Rust3dCor3> pasting
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2706[20:22:36] <Rust3dCor3> replaced-url
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2708[20:22:44] <Rust3dCor3> i don't even
2709[20:23:31] <somiaj> I would google the error and warning about eeprom, unsure if that is related to your issue or not.
2710[20:23:48] <jelly> is it possible that n-m in stretch cannot manage long iface names like wlx20e9170928ee
2711[20:23:57] <somiaj> arg, that pastein sucks worse than pastebin
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2713[20:24:21] <babilen> (which is quite the accomplishment)
2714[20:24:29] <greycat> I got nothing but a blurb about tinypaste, so I assume it's one of those You Must Have Javascript sites.
2715[20:24:42] <greycat> Then I quit w3m and moved on.
2716[20:24:56] <somiaj> after about 30 seconds, it hid the paste, gave me a full screen full of nothing but adds and opened multiple tabs
2717[20:25:04] <somiaj> at least pastebin I can read the paste and ignore the adds
2718[20:25:18] <greycat> and THAT is why I use w3m or lynx or links for unsolicited IRC pastes
2719[20:25:19] <Rust3dCor3> thats why i use noscript and adblocker.. never seen any ads there
2720[20:25:34] <somiaj> or just use a real pastebin that dosen't suck
2721[20:25:37] <Rust3dCor3> but ill use pastebin
2722[20:25:41] <somiaj> no dno't
2723[20:25:41] <greycat> and if the paste doesn't show up in a text-mode web browser, then it's not worth my time
2724[20:25:43] <Rust3dCor3> if its better
2725[20:25:48] <somiaj> use paste.debian.net if you don't know of any better to use
2726[20:25:51] <greycat> use replaced-url
2727[20:25:53] <Rust3dCor3> ok
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2733[20:27:12] <annadane> we will also accept carrier pidgeon
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2737[20:28:55] <Rust3dCor3> ive started to get russian search suggestions
2738[20:29:07] <Rust3dCor3> i think im done now
2739[20:29:14] <Sato> fresh debian installation, how do i install drivers without internet?
2740[20:29:22] <greycat> sneakernet
2741[20:29:42] <Rust3dCor3> i even have no idea how to use this stuff
2742[20:30:18] <somiaj> Sato: what drivers? the linux kernel contains most the drivers one needs
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2745[20:30:32] <greycat> I'm guessing "wireless on my laptop".
2746[20:30:35] <Sato> i have a usb wifi that i need to install to get internet.
2747[20:30:50] <Rust3dCor3> me also
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2749[20:31:12] <somiaj> Sato: in this case you need the firmware, you need to find a way to copy it over to the machine. Either via usb or some other medium. You can get the firmware .deb from packages.debian.org
2750[20:32:17] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: try disabling the new interface naming method. add adding net.ifnames=0 to the kernel, you could also use ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link too
2751[20:32:30] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: see if nm is happier with out the macaddress in the interface name.
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2758[20:36:47] <Sato> somiaj: I think i found a firmware, the folder is called linux-master and its filled with md files. Is this right?
2759[20:36:55] <somiaj> nope
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2761[20:37:08] <somiaj> Sato: what network card do you have? lsusb and share the chipset
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2788[20:48:12] <Sato> somiaj: WUSB6300 a linksys
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2793[20:48:56] <somiaj> Sato: is that the linksys model number? I need the actual chipset from the lsubs output
2794[20:49:00] <vagn> I want to package some files and a script. There is also a postinst script.
2795[20:49:04] <vagn> I can make a package but 'dpkg -c foo.deb' just lists the boilerplate in ./usr/share/doc/.
2796[20:49:10] <vagn> Where should I put my files?
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2798[20:49:25] <Sato> yeah its just a model number
2799[20:49:34] <somiaj> I need the actual chipset, lsusb will list it
2800[20:49:57] <Sato> what youre asking about might be the folder name :rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux-master
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2802[20:50:15] <somiaj> Sato: no I'm asking about the chipset, is the chipset rtl8812AU?
2803[20:50:25] <somiaj> Sato: did you run lsusb and find yoru wireless device?
2804[20:50:43] <Sato> yeah, it listed all things connected to usb
2805[20:50:58] <Sato> but im dual boot, because my debian has no internet so i cant do anything on it.
2806[20:51:05] <Sato> so im on windows now
2807[20:52:10] <somiaj> I really need to know the exact chipset, but provided you have a typo (and it isn't 8812au but 8812ae) this is the package you'll need replaced-url
2808[20:52:17] <Sato> this guy on google is trying to install the same thing and i think he posted his lsusb Device 010: ID 13b1:003f Linksys
2809[20:52:41] <greycat> Sato: just because you THINK it's the same device does not mean it IS
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2812[20:52:51] <Sato> you think the chipset is on the dongle? How can i check while on windowS?
2813[20:52:53] <greycat> Even if the sticker on the plastic says the same thing, that doesn't mean squat.
2814[20:52:59] <somiaj> and provided that chipset is supported by the stretch kernel (sounds likeit should be) that firmware package should do the job. But I can't be certain since you didn't tell me the chipset you have.
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2817[20:54:58] <Sato> ill give that package a try, although im sure there is a way to check the dongles chipset on windows.
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2820[20:56:26] <Guest34> hi guys
2821[20:56:43] <Guest34> I have installed debian 9.4 stretch
2822[20:57:07] <Guest34> I have a problem with sensors and conky
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2825[20:57:41] <Sato> somiaj: Do i download one of the "Source Package" from that site you posteD?
2826[20:57:46] <Guest34> the problem is the module nouveau and dell_smm
2827[20:57:52] <somiaj> Sato: no, you download the binary package
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2833[20:59:36] <Guest34> when I use in conky the code: ${hwmon 2 fan 1} for the module dell_smm sometimes it is detected correctly, other times hwmon is mapped into hwmon3
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2835[21:00:15] <Guest34> the same problem happens for the module nouveau
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2837[21:00:50] <Guest34> while it does not happen for the coretemp and it87 modules
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2839[21:01:02] <Sato> somiaj: That website doesn't appear to let me download, its just recommending downloading it from the internet.
2840[21:01:20] <somiaj> it does, scroll down, select the all arch, and then select the mirror you want to use
2841[21:01:47] <Sato> okayokay so ill need one of these two package installers its offering.
2842[21:01:52] <Sato> aptitue or syn
2843[21:02:29] <jhutchins_wk> Sato: You still need to get your own actuall pciid. There may be a way to find that in Windows. Often manufacturers will use different hardware in the same model NIC.
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2846[21:03:42] <Sato> that was just another long sentence asking for the chipset.
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2850[21:04:19] <Guest34> It's a problem of kernel?
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2853[21:05:03] <somiaj> Sato: just use dpkg -i foo.deb
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2855[21:05:54] <Sato> alright ill boot into debian and see if i can either get the chipset from lsusb
2856[21:06:05] <Sato> or if that package installer can install the binary you sent me.
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2867[21:10:22] <magyar> hi, how can I create s/mime email cert?
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2895[21:22:58] <Sato> Alright well i got nothing done. I guess i dont have a program that reports connected USBs, certainly not lsusb like you mentioned.
2896[21:23:14] <Sato> and im assuming without some long terminal command, i had zero hope of installing any of these binary
2897[21:24:16] <greycat> If it's a .deb file, then you install it with dpkg -i filename.deb
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2899[21:24:54] <greycat> And lsusb is in the "usbutils" package, which is showing as optional.
2900[21:25:19] <greycat> I don't know if any commonly installed packages would bring it in as a dependency.
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2910[21:27:26] <Sato> is it possible that my install of debian doesnt have dpkg?
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2913[21:27:37] <greycat> No.
2914[21:28:30] <somiaj> it is also strange it doesn't have lsusb, the installer usually installs that because it is a useful tool
2915[21:28:31] <Sato> what does the -i stand for?
2916[21:28:38] <somiaj> -i is install
2917[21:28:40] <greycat> "install". See "man dpkg"
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2919[21:28:50] <greycat> replaced-url
2920[21:29:41] <Sato> i was typing "usb" into the search and it brought up the system window that had very little information.
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2925[21:30:12] <Sato> Its funny, i really should have hauled my entire desktop and 40 inch monitor over to the router, because this is all intentionally complicated :P
2926[21:30:23] <Sato> brb
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2941[21:45:13] <Sato> No luck, after installing the package the wireless card wouldnt show up in lsusb.
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2944[21:46:08] <Sato> This should be extremely simple is all im saying.
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2947[21:46:42] <Sato> It feels like im back in 1999 trying to install windows with no internet and i cant get any of the drivers without using a CD or a USB.
2948[21:46:57] <Sato> Locked out of the internet because of a simple driver.
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2951[21:50:51] <jim> Sato, which package did you install?
2952[21:52:11] <Sato> a binary for my usb wifi device.
2953[21:52:48] <jim> is it a .deb you installed with dpkg?
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2958[21:53:59] <Sato> yes
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2962[21:54:52] <jim> ok, if you look at the file name of that .deb, could you show everything to the left of the first _?
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2964[21:55:10] <greycat> or just tell the entire filename
2965[21:55:22] <jim> yeah that'd work
2966[21:55:48] <jim> and, everything to the left of the first _ is the packagename
2967[21:55:49] <Sato> "firmware-realtek_20161130-3_all" The person who sent it to me suspected that this one was incorrect.
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2969[21:56:53] <greycat> For some realtek cards, it should be, yes. The problem is, we still don't know exactly what device you have.
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2972[21:57:59] <jim> ok, let's make sure... could you run: lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
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2974[21:58:18] <greycat> he has no direct internet connection from that system, as I understand it
2975[21:58:32] <greycat> unless he plugged in an ethernet cable some time recently
2976[21:58:33] <jim> oh ok, you wouldn't be able to run that
2977[21:59:11] <jim> have you guys seen an lsusb listing?
2978[21:59:45] <jim> (and, does -nn do the same thing it does on lspci?)
2979[22:00:07] <greycat> lsusb seems to show the xxxx:yyyy ID without any options
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2981[22:00:23] <jim> ok
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2991[22:01:53] <Sato> the card doesnt show up in the lsusb listing
2992[22:02:17] <Sato> usually the linksys card has a few lights whenever it is connected, but its not showing.
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2994[22:03:02] <jim> is there any difference in lsusb, if you pull the usb cord, then lsusb, then insert the cord then lsusb again?
2995[22:03:54] <Sato> yeah the lists stayed the same in both cases.
2996[22:04:05] <Sato> i will try whatever you think might help
2997[22:04:15] <greycat> try a different USB port?
2998[22:04:18] <jim> thanks, appreciate that
2999[22:04:53] <hxmuller> what are the other mechanisms we can allow users to run processes normally required to be run by root (not sudo)?
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3001[22:05:00] <greycat> su
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3004[22:05:20] <greycat> coming over, pushing them aside, and typing the command yourself
3005[22:05:24] <hxmuller> I read something within the past two weeks. I can't remember if it was polkit or something else
3006[22:05:31] <jim> which would require the root password
3007[22:05:43] <hxmuller> right
3008[22:06:01] <greycat> What is the thing you want them to do, and why isn't sudo the answer you wanted?
3009[22:06:02] <blackflow> hxmuller: polkit
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3011[22:06:50] <Sato> Why isn't it possible to find the chipset of this USB while on windows.
3012[22:07:03] <Sato> i mean, im using it right at this second, so i know windows can see it.
3013[22:07:05] <hxmuller> greycat: beep without suid
3014[22:07:18] <greycat> If they have a terminal, printf \\a
3015[22:07:23] <hxmuller> blackflow: thanks, I'm pretty sure that's where I got the idea
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3017[22:07:43] <farruinn> Sato: Have you tried finding the chipset through Windows?
3018[22:07:48] <blackflow> hxmuller: and you don't need root pass if you write such a policy to bypass password.
3019[22:07:49] <jim> Sato, would the device manager show it?
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3021[22:08:23] <hxmuller> blackflow: yes, I did that so I didn't have to enter a password to mount usb storage with udisks2
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3027[22:09:31] <blackflow> hxmuller: also, do you need to run beep as superuser. what exactly do you want to achieve? pcspkr beep?
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3040[22:15:41] <Sato> ive got my usb dongle open in an info window, there is a lot of info but none of it looks like the chipset
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3042[22:16:31] <JohnWittle> What's up with apt's treatment of mariadb as a mysql replacement? I wasn't prompted to set the root password on apt-get install mysql-server, and neither does dpkg-reconfigure prompt me to set it
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3044[22:16:41] <JohnWittle> does it get set automatically or something?
3045[22:16:45] <hxmuller> blackflow: setting weechat to beep when highlight
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3047[22:17:03] <greycat> If you just run "mysql" as root you go right in without needing to enter a password.
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3050[22:17:28] <JohnWittle> oh
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3052[22:17:31] <JohnWittle> wow
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3082[22:34:31] <annadane> in general, how soon after a point release do live images get made for that release?
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3084[22:35:11] <dka> I am on cinnamon and I try to create a shortcut in my menu. My command is '/usr/bin/wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/PokerStars/PokerStars.exe' , I have check `Run in terminal` to see why it was not starting, and I see the terminal closing straight away. How can I do a shortcut for wine?
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3086[22:35:58] <jhutchins_wk> JohnWittle: I think that info is in a README file under /usr/share/doc/maria*
3087[22:36:52] <jhutchins_wk> dka: Possibly you need the full path instead of ~
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3090[22:37:02] <galakszis> alajj
3091[22:37:04] <galakszis> hleo
3092[22:37:13] <galakszis> i need a debiam
3093[22:37:17] <galakszis> do you a debian
3094[22:37:24] <jhutchins_wk> dka: Does that command work if you enter it in a terminal?
3095[22:37:26] <galakszis> are you a debian?
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3097[22:37:50] <dka> yes
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3100[22:38:19] <dka> yes jhutchins_wk that was it
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3105[22:41:27] <Sato> alright i found the chipset info in lsusb
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3109[22:42:13] <Sato> ID 13b1:003f Linksys
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3119[22:44:41] <Sato> Can someone help me find the binary for my wifi usb device? I have no internet to get it online when on debian.
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3121[22:45:32] <greycat> Sato: google is giving me *interesting* results for this device.
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3123[22:45:48] <Sato> do tell
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3125[22:45:56] <greycat> I'm not sure which one(s) are trustworthy.
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3128[22:47:28] <brutser> when i use live-build, how can i include some repositories for my packages? i am putting sources.list everywhere but not in the right place it seems :) thx for the help
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3130[22:47:58] <Sato> What a dire situtation. Windows is nigh unusable, i will eventually be forced to use 10, and Linux is complete gatekeeping.
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3132[22:48:37] <greycat> Sato: now that you have the 13b1:003f ID you can do your own "debian 13b1:003f" searches and see what comes up.
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3137[22:50:16] <Florian9028> Hello everybody,
3138[22:50:29] <Gasoline> is there a way to use irccloud in a terminal on debian?
3139[22:50:30] <TvL2386> HI
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3145[22:52:06] <Florian9028> Can somebody help me? If i download something from my rootserver (ftp/http,..) if i use 1 connection to the download the speed is limit to 4mb, if i use 2 connection the download, the speed is 8MB/S. did anybody know where my server limit this speed?
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3148[22:52:54] <Florian9028> i want with 1 connection full speed download
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3151[22:54:47] <TvL2386> I'm also wondering if anybody did know that
3152[22:55:18] <Florian9028> thats really crazy
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3154[22:55:39] <TvL2386> sounds like latency limiting the throughput
3155[22:55:46] <TvL2386> could also have something to do with tcp window size
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3157[22:55:54] <Florian9028> with 3 connection to the download (i use jdownload) the speed is 12mb/s this is my home limit
3158[22:56:01] <TvL2386> buggy shit with packet loss
3159[22:56:06] <TvL2386> could also be the problem
3160[22:56:23] <TvL2386> maybe there's a traffic shaper
3161[22:56:33] <TvL2386> could literally be anything
3162[22:56:51] <greycat> Cats chewing on the cable.
3163[22:56:54] <Florian9028> server speed is: Testing download speed Download: 625.29 Mbit/s Testing upload speed.. Upload: 240.92 Mbit/s
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3165[22:57:01] <TvL2386> true that greycat
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3168[22:57:32] <TvL2386> whoooooo... is that the speed of your "rootserver"?
3169[22:57:37] <Florian9028> yes
3170[22:57:40] <TvL2386> holy!
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3175[22:58:01] <Florian9028> so i think the speed from the server is fine. i tried also laptop, homepc, and mobilephone
3176[22:58:01] <TvL2386> so in theory you should get a download of 12 megabytes per second
3177[22:58:15] <Florian9028> yes my homespeed is 100mbit i think 11,55MB/s
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3180[22:58:43] <Florian9028> first i thought apache2 is limit the conneciton to a download
3181[22:58:55] <TvL2386> is it on your home LAN or anything?
3182[22:58:58] <Florian9028> but with ftp/http/https/Ip and lighttpd is the same problem
3183[22:59:11] <TvL2386> because your speed tests go over 100Mbit
3184[22:59:17] <Florian9028> i tested wlan, lan
3185[22:59:45] <Florian9028> i will send you homespeed
3186[22:59:56] <TvL2386> but: you're downloading something from your "rootserver". So how does it get from your rootserver to your client?
3187[23:00:00] <TvL2386> through internet?
3188[23:00:02] <TvL2386> over wifi?
3189[23:00:16] <TvL2386> details man!
3190[23:00:20] <TvL2386> it's important
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3192[23:00:32] <greycat> I'm glad I'm leaving soon, because this continuous misuse of the phrase "root server" is going to make my head explode.
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3194[23:00:52] <TvL2386> hey man... don't mess with Florian9028
3195[23:00:55] <TvL2386> he owns a rootserver
3196[23:01:31] <Florian9028> Ok, my home pc is connected with lan, and laptop with wlan. homeinternet is 100mbit down, 40mbit uplod.
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3203[23:03:00] <Florian9028> but i think thats not the problem. The mainproblem is, if i use more connection to one download the speed is perfect. But only with 1 connection the speed is 4MB/S with 2 conneciton 8MB/S with 3 connection 11,55MB/s
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3205[23:03:20] <Florian9028> so i think a connection will be limited to 4MB/s
3206[23:03:34] <Florian9028> but with ftp/http/
3207[23:03:44] <JohnWittle> greycat: Alright, that gets me into the root account, but I still need the root password in order to change it, right?
3208[23:03:47] <Florian9028> i really dont know the problem.
3209[23:04:04] <Florian9028> i never had this before.
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3211[23:04:38] <jhutchins_wk> What do you mean "use more connection"?
3212[23:04:53] <TvL2386> connection++
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3214[23:05:13] <Florian9028> multiple connection to a download
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3217[23:05:43] <Florian9028> so 1 connection will download 1-50% and the second connection will download 50-100%
3218[23:05:53] <TvL2386> read back jhutchins_wk: Florian9028 owns a rootserver but a single stream is only limited to 4MB/s. Every stream increase adds another 4MB/s
3219[23:06:09] <TvL2386> upto 11.55MB/s
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3221[23:06:14] <Florian9028> yes thats right TvL2386
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3223[23:06:22] <Florian9028> 11,55 is my home limit
3224[23:06:27] <annadane> in general, how soon after a point release do live images get made for that release?
3225[23:06:29] <jhutchins_wk> So multiple sessions with the browser?
3226[23:06:42] <Florian9028> you know jdownload?
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3228[23:06:45] <Florian9028> jdownloader*
3229[23:07:27] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: what's going on with mariadb?
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3231[23:07:31] <Florian9028> sorry for my bad enlgish...
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3234[23:08:13] <greycat> JohnWittle: I'm not a real Mysql/Mariadb user, but can't you just set the password without knowing a (nonexistent) previous password?
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3236[23:08:39] <greycat> Or just continue not having a root password?
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3238[23:08:44] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: I think you can just `sudo -H mysql` and you will be logged in
3239[23:08:53] <TvL2386> because you connect to the mariadb socket as user root
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3242[23:09:05] <annadane> if no one knows here then maybe ask dedicated mariadb support channels/avenues
3243[23:09:12] <TvL2386> when you are logged in, you can change the mysql root password if you like
3244[23:09:15] <greycat> Yes, mariadb takes a step closer to being a normal database instead of that horrible crap.
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3246[23:09:35] <JohnWittle> I must be doing the 'change the mysql root password' part incorrectly, then
3247[23:09:41] <Florian9028> maybe if you want a new password try this: mysql> UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('newpassword') WHERE User='root';
3248[23:09:45] <annadane> though of course specify the version number as the one in stable is possibly behind latest upstream etc
3249[23:09:59] <annadane> but it seems the lovely people here *do* know
3250[23:10:02] <TvL2386> "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;" afterwards
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3253[23:10:42] <annadane> oh, forget my previous question, just remembered there's a debian live channel and i'll ask there
3254[23:11:10] <Florian9028> TvL2386, do you know a solution for my speed problem?
3255[23:11:34] <TvL2386> Florian9028: nope sorry.....
3256[23:11:36] <twobitsprite> Just curious... are there any good Debian-based immutable container OSes? I'm looking for a Debian-based alternative to Fedora's Project Atomic. I know there is Ubuntu Core, just curious if there are any that are based on Debian Stable...?
3257[23:11:46] <Florian9028> speedtest on rootserver is good, speedtest from home is good, too. But i dont know what limit this.
3258[23:11:54] <Florian9028> okay, thanks for you help.
3259[23:12:12] <TvL2386> Florian9028: I'd install iperf3 and do tests with single / multiple sessions
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3261[23:12:37] <twobitsprite> Background: my team is developing an IoT device based on CentOS Project Atomic, and we keep running in to issues where the CentOS repos update with non-backwards-compatible packages, or change default package settings in ways that break our builds...
3262[23:12:37] <Florian9028> okay i never heard about this. i will read about it, know. thank you.
3263[23:12:50] <TvL2386> Florian9028: I'd compare http throughput with ftp / sftp / scp, whatever to get more pointers
3264[23:13:07] <JohnWittle> ah i'm a fool
3265[23:13:11] <TvL2386> :)
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3268[23:13:14] <Florian9028> i´ve already tested these connection.
3269[23:13:14] <twobitsprite> I keep joking to my team lead that Debian would never do this to us, but now he seems seriously interested and asked if there is an immutible container OS based on Debian...
3270[23:13:16] <JohnWittle> i've been forgetting to restart mariadb after changing the password
3271[23:13:36] <TvL2386> uh.... you don't need to JohnWittle
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3273[23:13:45] <TvL2386> why would you need to restart mariadb to update a users password?
3274[23:14:02] <TvL2386> it's like: when I insert a new record, it only becomes visible after restarting the db server
3275[23:14:03] <JohnWittle> No, that's not it
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3277[23:14:10] <Florian9028> if i logged 3 times in with ftp, use the same download. 3 download runnings the speed will 11,55MB
3278[23:14:13] <JohnWittle> yeah, even after that it still will not let me log in as root
3279[23:14:30] <JohnWittle> i mean aside from sudo mysql, obviously
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3281[23:14:34] <brutser> when i use live-build, how can i include some repositories for my packages? i am putting sources.list everywhere but not in the right place it seems :) thx for the help
3282[23:14:52] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: it sounds familiar
3283[23:14:53] <brutser> i need to add experimental and stretch-backports
3284[23:15:10] <brutser> what is the location to put this?
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3288[23:15:35] <JohnWittle> I get mysqli_real_connect(): (HY000/1698): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
3289[23:15:39] <somiaj> brutser: maybe #debian-live on irc.oftc.net can be of more help if you can't find this info in the docs.
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3291[23:15:54] <somiaj> and you don't want to add experiemental to stretch, that is going to cause problems
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3293[23:16:22] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: this is what internet says:
3294[23:16:23] <TvL2386> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES on *.* to 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '<password>';
3295[23:16:23] <TvL2386> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
3296[23:16:31] <JohnWittle> holy cow
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3298[23:16:38] <JohnWittle> wouldn't it already have those?
3299[23:16:47] <TvL2386> I think there is a root
3300[23:16:48] <JohnWittle> also i mean, why would that cause the password to suddenly work where it didn't before?
3301[23:16:49] <TvL2386> but not a root@localhost
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3303[23:17:02] <JohnWittle> oh hm
3304[23:17:05] <JohnWittle> i see
3305[23:17:08] <brutser> somiaj: ok, but i need software from experimental
3306[23:17:10] <TvL2386> because the host part is not there :)
3307[23:17:14] <brutser> but i will ask on that channel
3308[23:17:21] <somiaj> brutser: then backport it
3309[23:17:21] <TvL2386> it works because `sudo -H mysql` connects to the unix socket
3310[23:17:39] <JohnWittle> hm
3311[23:17:40] <TvL2386> try to do `sudo -H mysql -h localhost`
3312[23:17:42] <TvL2386> it will fail
3313[23:17:42] <JohnWittle> i got Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
3314[23:17:45] <somiaj> brutser: experimental packages are built against sid and may not install nicely in stretch, and adding sid sources will only break things more
3315[23:17:48] <JohnWittle> shouldn't it have affected a row?
3316[23:17:59] <JohnWittle> in the users table?
3317[23:18:14] <JohnWittle> i'm having trouble imagining exactly what is happening in there
3318[23:18:29] <TvL2386> it sounds logical to see 1 row affected yeah, but since it's messing with mysql users instead of "normal" records, I am not sure
3319[23:18:40] <JohnWittle> hm
3320[23:18:42] <TvL2386> try if it helped :)
3321[23:18:44] <TvL2386> I'm curious
3322[23:18:59] <JohnWittle> aha that did it
3323[23:19:04] <JohnWittle> wow
3324[23:19:12] <TvL2386> yay
3325[23:19:20] <Florian9028> TvL2386, i get this error iperf3: error - unable to connect to server: Connection refused
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3328[23:19:40] <JohnWittle> i never would have guessed that root and root@localhost were distinct. does that mean there's still a regular 'root' account floating around with an empty password?
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3330[23:19:59] <TvL2386> Florian9028: if you've started an iperf server and client, and it can't connect, there's a firewall blocking the connection or you're missing a port forward somewhere
3331[23:20:08] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: yes
3332[23:20:16] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: wait a sec
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3335[23:20:39] <TvL2386> #mysql> select host, user from mysql.user;
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3337[23:21:23] <TvL2386> I wonder how many rows you get with user = 'root'
3338[23:21:25] <Florian9028> oh okay should i test it with localhost? or do i need a client on windows?
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3340[23:21:35] <JohnWittle> TvL2386: just 1, i just checked
3341[23:21:39] <TvL2386> hmmmmm
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3345[23:22:22] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: I know this behaviour, but I've never digged into it
3346[23:22:28] <TvL2386> JohnWittle: it sounds like this: replaced-url
3347[23:22:41] <TvL2386> The UNIX_SOCKET plugin is installed by default in new installs of Ubuntu 15.10 and later, and Debian testing.
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3349[23:23:07] <TvL2386> I've met this on ubuntu-16.04 indeed
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3351[23:23:18] <Florian9028> i test it now, i will write back.
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3356[23:26:02] <Florian9028> test is done
3357[23:27:03] <Florian9028> but i think i started the server on wrong side ^^
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3369[23:32:05] <TvL2386> Florian9028: just run the client with -r I think
3370[23:32:15] <TvL2386> then it will test the reverse path speed
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3375[23:34:52] <Florian9028> TvL2386 port was blocked. But test is finished. i will send you the file
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3379[23:36:27] <Florian9028> replaced-url
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3382[23:38:28] <TvL2386> Florian9028: those Retr values are not good
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3385[23:38:51] <TvL2386> Florian9028: those are tcp retransmits (due to packetloss)
3386[23:39:06] <Florian9028> sorry i typed this in: iperf3 -c "homeip" -t 10 -P 10
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3389[23:39:59] <Florian9028> so the retr is very bad?
3390[23:40:16] <TvL2386> Not sure how bad, but I'd expected it to be 0
3391[23:40:23] <Florian9028> oh okay
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3393[23:40:47] <TvL2386> I don't know what normal is for a transfer of 113MB
3394[23:40:59] <Florian9028> i will change my home dsl to more stability. i will test it in 2minutes again
3395[23:41:32] <TvL2386> How would you do that
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3397[23:42:18] <Florian9028> on my router (fritz.box) i can change to more stability. so the speed will be set down.
3398[23:42:35] <Florian9028> and i think some other settings.
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3403[23:45:35] <Florian2890> Okay my connection is 97.855 kbit/s 41.998 kbit/s now.
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3405[23:47:53] <Florian2890> same problem
3406[23:48:11] <Florian2890> but in my router, i have no connection errors
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3410[23:52:41] <Florian2890> TvL2386 are you there?
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3413[23:53:27] <Florian2890> replaced-url
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