25[00:28:38] <alexrelis[m]> I have an install of Windows on an
SSD. Does anyone know how I can use QEMU/KVM+virt-manager to
"virtualize" my SSD so I can run Windows from that SSD? To
clarify, I don't want to copy the contents of the drive as in
image, I want to basically still use the SSD but just have it
virtualized whenever I need to run a Windows program.
34[00:35:29] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: i'm currently doing
something similar, but it was a fresh install (I'm passing a
graphics card to the vms). While I've been successful with my
graphics card passthrough, I'm still using a RAW image on an
SSD rather than the SSD itself (but it's user ignorance causing
the issue). Trying to convert an existing install might be
"messy" (I'm looking at you video drivers and windows
35[00:35:35] <zykotick9> activiation)?!?! Virt-Manager with KVM
and all the virtio stuff works well for me overall.
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40[00:37:30] <alexrelis[m]> I get this message when trying to
pass through the disk.
41[00:37:32] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: my previous setup,
involved removable HDs (sata non-hotswapable) - windows did NOT like
video card changes at all in my experience. YMMV
42[00:38:44] <alexrelis[m]> I'm guessing my error is
ocurring because QEMU is BIOS and not UEFI by default, but I
actually installed the addon which gives me a UEFI option, so
I'm wondering if there's a way to let me passthrough
regardless.
43[00:38:46] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: i had that EXACT same
error. Something else to look into, perhaps passing the drive
through the Add Hardware / STorage / option - but that also failed
for me.
44[00:39:23] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: I'm almost certain
it's because QEMU is BIOS-only by default which means it
wouldn't support GPT partitions.
50[00:40:52] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: on that "Add new
storage pool" dialog where you tried adding the disk, change
the Format drop-down from auto to gpt
51[00:41:30] <zykotick9> fyi, you select the bios vs uefi when
you create teh VM ("customize options" during the
creation) i don't think you can change it after the fact.
52[00:41:54] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: these are the docs for
that storage pool type:
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53[00:42:30] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: an alternative that
might work if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the
SATA controller that the drive is plugged into
55[00:42:55] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught: Your solution worked!
But I have a follow up question.
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57[00:43:20] <alexrelis[m]> Which volume do I pick? I want all
the partitions to be included.
58[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught:
59[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> >an alternative that might work
if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the SATA
controller that the drive is plugged into
60[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> I am accessing this drive through a
USB to m.2 enclosure.
61[00:46:31] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: I don't know what
all those partitions are. I would guess that the largest one is C:.
You might need to add each volume/partition as a virtual disk for
the VM
62[00:47:19] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught: Oh sorry. sdb1 is the
EFI partition, sdb2 I presume is for Windows boot loader, sdb3 is
C:, sdb4 is nothing.
63[00:47:29] <alexrelis[m]> Okay I'll see what I can do.
65[00:50:40] <alexrelis[m]> And it says /dev/sdb right now, but
will these changed be persistent upon reboot? Like, if on another
day I had plugged in a flash drive that took the place of /dev/sdb,
would QEMU get confused? Or is it assigned by UUID?
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68[00:53:32] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: I think you will run
into problems doing this by USB. For the storage pool that you just
created (named 'pool'?) you can run "virsh
pool-dumpxml pool" to see the XML config for it.
97[01:24:31] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: alexrelis[m]: thank you
both. I'm now installing onto the ssd directly. Why... I'm
not sure. That dropdown jmcnaught pointed out only had AUTO as an
option, thus that didn't change. As I suspected, user ignorance
in this case - but it's working.
108[01:32:18] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: I use the LVM storage pool
where each volume is a logical volume. This lets me use LVM
snapshotting on my Windows VM's C:. Then I PCIe passthrough an
NVMe drive that I install games to.
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117[01:38:31] <Emil> Ie `ping asdf` works and resolves to
asdf.fi
118[01:38:33] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: very cool. For a short time
last week, I abandoned using my 2nd SSD for my two VMs, and used a
5200rpm spinning disk. Wasn't comparable. I haven't
experienced nvme myself.
119[01:39:21] <jmcnaught> sponix: GTX 980
120[01:39:53] <sponix> zykotick9: I honestly didn't notice
the change from sata ssd to nvme in my daily use. not like the huge
leap from spinners to ssd drives
121[01:40:26] <zykotick9> sponix: thanks ;) good to know (now I
don't have to feel as bad)
122[01:40:58] <sponix> jmcnaught: I run off a 960, and have
passed a 580 in, but seems I might be victim of a "reset
bug" that has never been fixed
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125[01:42:57] <jmcnaught> sponix: I used to pass through an RX
460 with the reset bug, I could work around it by suspending the
host Debian system between guest VM boots but it was still a
nuissance. Now that 460 is my Debian host's GPU.
174[01:57:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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175[01:57:38] <r399> sney, apologies, youre right, i should have
been more specific
185[02:01:32] <Dagger> sponix: I use an RX 580 for passthrough,
and it *seems* to work great. no reset issues that I've managed
to spot yet (kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64, qemu 5.0.0-rc0, Intel
i5-6600k on an ASRock Z170 Extreme4 motherboard in case any of that
is relevant)
200[02:19:01] <henko> zykotick9: when passing though a AMD GPU
some models have a reset bug where you can pass it through only
once. when you shutdown your VM you can't pass it through again
so you need to run a reset script of some sort or entierly reboot
you host
201[02:19:18] <henko> but the reset bugs are mostly fixed IIRC
202[02:19:19] <sponix> Dagger: chances are I'm just doing
something wrong
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220[02:39:49] * zykotick9 doesn't notice any real performance
difference between using the ssd passed through and his previous ssd
as storage pool with RAW image file on it. Not needing the RH virtio
iso to find a HD to install on was different.
326[05:02:33] <edufmass> cstls, I didn't try it. Like
always happend, I search for distro, some says debian, other arch,
etc. Then searched for window manager, the same, many opinions.. I
chose i3 xD
327[05:02:43] <edufmass> (I don't speak english very well)
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346[05:32:46] <brachamh> gotta love debian! my uptime on this
laptop right now is one hour short of 38 days, and it's still
running awesome! had a slight hiccup when i left a browser window
open with facebook for a while (overnight i think) but closed that
and let the system straighten itself back out, and still going
strong!
406[07:23:13] <Ede|Popede> but share is the only one used
automatically it seems
407[07:24:58] <Ede|Popede> i used to copy the /usr/local
structure in the past already, i think i will return to it on the
long run. but there's also .cache and .config used by
$everything, and the latter at least could also be part of .local
then?
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592[11:46:46] <unixbsd> html and all those things make easily
huge email box + comes calendar... best is then when ms comes with
exchnage and all plugisn
741[14:52:46] <search_social> Hello, I just followed the
instructions to build a copy of ungoogled chromium and it gave me a
ungoogled-chromium_84.0.4147.135-1.buster1_amd64.deb file;;; I am
wondering if there is a way for me to install this file
"locally" i.e. in my home directory without root.
751[15:03:33] <ratrace> search_social: afaik no. but why? why
not install it normally?
752[15:03:38] <eestiman> If I originally used nftables with
iptables alternative being set to iptables-legacy, then removed
nftables and installed iptables.... should I do something with the
alternatives-update command related to iptables?
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772[15:10:21] <henko> Why does the Debian wiki state that
removing apparmor is not viable solution, rather disabling it? I
thought Apparmor is the underlaying framework for Snaps. Why is
Apparmor installed on default on a debian netinstall?
774[15:12:00] <henko> Why use Apparmor in the first place when
SELinux does "seemingly" the same job?
775[15:12:17] <ratrace> henko: AppArmor is a LSM and as such
just a kernel module. what's default in buster, unlike stretch
and before it, the kernel is compiled with that LSM enabled by
default, previously you had to explicitly enable the module
776[15:12:46] <ratrace> so... "removing" it would most
likely include rebuilding the kernel, and it's not needed when
you can simply: a) not use it or b) disable ti through kernel
command line options
777[15:13:03] <ratrace> selinux and apparmor are both MACs, but
with different paradigms. in some cases one is better suitable than
the other
781[15:13:38] <henko> well I guess I'll keep it enabled
then
782[15:14:00] <ratrace> and debian opted for AA because ubuntu
is AA's upstream and is defaulting to it actively, like RHEL
clones are actively defaulting to selinux.
783[15:14:18] <ratrace> so while selinux _is_ available on
Debian, the question is how good are the policies and how much pain
is there to make the ref policies work properly.
784[15:14:30] <tarzeau> henko: but who is using snaps?
786[15:14:46] <ratrace> similarly, AA policies are almost
nonexistent and those that do exist might not be 100% tested and
usable. personally, I wrote all the AA policies that I use, myself.
787[15:15:04] <tarzeau> ratrace: do you have them public?
788[15:15:12] <tarzeau> testing on multiuser machines?
789[15:15:15] <henko> tarzeau: I'm not... just came across
apparmor. Trying to get rid of flatpaks atm
790[15:15:23] <ratrace> no, and they wouldn't be usable
publicly. I keep a very strict and customized environment
that's not generically suitable
791[15:15:50] <henko> ratrace: thanks for the insight
792[15:16:13] <tarzeau> henko: i'm also trying to stick
strictly to .deb:
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793[15:16:36] <henko> I guess I was spooked, cuz I've seen
Snaps and Apparmor together. Seems the lather is completly fine :)
798[15:17:46] <ratrace> henko: snaps don't use any packaged
profiles but autogenerate them on the fly for running snaps. that
said, they're usually good enough, and are the _only_ way to
make the containers with a security boundary
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800[15:18:18] <ratrace> or in other words, the snaps framework
and snapd generate the AA profile based on snaps
"interfaces" and intrenal policies
802[15:18:47] <ratrace> the only bad thing about it is that
they're not built to be modifiable, which sucks if you know AA
and want to improve your local system.
804[15:19:55] <ratrace> so for "normal" operations,
like intended functionality of a snap, AA should be enabled and left
to work with snapd-generated policies. you alter the confinement
with enabling or disabling snap interfaces
813[15:23:32] <ratrace> I don't use chromium, but ..... the
chromium snap is one very good example where snaps work better over
.deb packaged alternatives
814[15:23:59] <tarzeau> ratrace: all my systems are with
`apt-get --purge remove snapd`
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816[15:25:01] <pasiz> i have no debian systems where snapd is
installed
817[15:25:12] <pasiz> so i don't see a point to remove it
818[15:25:21] <ratrace> oh WOW chromium finally landed in sid,
after months of being vulnerable and outdated? :)
823[15:26:46] <tarzeau> ratrace: well they are not *mine*, those
at work are ubuntus, i personally own a gnu/kfreebsd without systemd
and sid.ethz.ch (sid+experimental)
825[15:27:17] <ratrace> tarzeau: so chromium... you can help
keep it up to date, and pls I think I'll need Slack :)
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827[15:27:40] <tarzeau> ratrace: of course it must be dfsg
compliant
828[15:27:51] <tarzeau> ratrace: for slack we use matrix :)
829[15:27:51] <ratrace> tarzeau: and on that note, can ubuntu
desktops even run without snaps? the gnome they package is snap
(only I think?) and things like chromium is definitely snap only
830[15:28:06] <tarzeau> ratrace: yes ubuntu desktops 18.04 and
20.04 run perfectly without snaps
831[15:28:21] <ratrace> well, neat, then.
832[15:28:29] <tarzeau> our users get what they deserve: no
chromium, but netsurf and links2
833[15:28:47] <pasiz> links2 is so good in fb
834[15:28:55] <pasiz> no need for xorg
835[15:29:11] <tarzeau> pasiz: and finally supports custom fonts
too!
836[15:29:31] <ratrace> why even bother with http! go gopher!
837[15:29:55] <dvs> heh
838[15:31:33] <pasiz> there is so tiny amount of gopher sites
remaining
851[15:40:58] <eestiman> Seems I disabled docker from writting
to iptables, which explains why it wasn't writting to iptables.
thanks for the help pasiz :)
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857[15:48:42] <Boodie> Hi I am trying to mount a router
connected USB drive using samba. So far if I put the router's
IP in the file manager, I can see the router's name. If I
double click on it, it asks me for the username domain (default =
'WORKGROUP') and password. tried the password given in the
router, no success. What am I missing?
858[15:49:35] <mrkramps> Boodie, set up a user for shares in
your router
870[16:05:46] <Ede|Popede> no what is this dubious
"EFI-Wechseldatenträgerpfad" where the installer
wants to install Grub? a lot of text, warning about buggy
implementations, then suggesting this method, then warning about it
could break other OSes. so what now?
885[16:12:57] <Ede|Popede> i still have this older buster
install on one of the 2 HDDs, small EFI, Swap, Buster, then some
more partitions, partially empty. one of them is 10.6 now. and now
what to do with the boot options? because:
889[16:14:07] <Ede|Popede> for the previous installation i even
removed everything but this HDD, told the installer to use its mbr.
well, it did not. have to boot from a stick now. now idea what it
did, and since this is my first EFI PC ever, i still don't
really get what's going on
891[16:14:54] <Ede|Popede> but would be nice to have this disk
bootable w/o some other boot record from somewhere else, and then
both systems available from grub.
892[16:15:53] <Ede|Popede> only now i have to decide if the
installer may enforce Grub installation on this whatever path or
not. and the text on the screen doesn't really help me.
893[16:16:01] <Boodie> Does anybody know of a cloud backup that
is Linux (Debian, eventually) compatible?
894[16:16:25] <sig_9> dropbox,owncloud
895[16:16:27] <sig_9> lots
896[16:16:40] <Kobaz> [Sun Dec 27 15:38:09 2020] Page cache
invalidation failure on direct I/O. Possible data corruption due to
collision with buffered I/O!
905[16:18:08] <ratrace> cloudlinux is a RHEL clone ....
906[16:18:43] <ratrace> it's not a backup service . I think
you con-fuzed some "cloud" things there :)
907[16:18:48] <Ede|Popede> i can't even say now what the
case is with EFI/UEFI or not. PC came (used) with a Win10 UEFI
installation, i had to change things a few times in the bios until i
was finally able to reboot... can't even remember this one.
maybe livedebian, maybe the installer, maybe the installed system.
all i remember it took me more than a single installation round to
get a working debian on that disk.
908[16:19:08] <cybercrypto> Boodie: In GNU/Linux, you can use
lots of cloud services as a client. What are you looking for?
910[16:20:15] <Ede|Popede> sig_9: did you notice the
inconsistent usage of Loader and Manager on the refind page?
confusing...
911[16:20:21] <sig_9> ratrace: no, he could provide his own
cloud services with cloudlinux, debian or anything else he would
like. shoot, gdrive even works decent in linux nowadays.
912[16:20:39] <sig_9> Ede|Popede: I've only used it once
years ago for an old imac
913[16:21:09] <ratrace> sig_9: CloudLinux is a RHEL clone.
it's just called that. it's not any cloud service, or
oriented to cloud services. it's a RHEL clone. bug-for-bug
compatible RHEL.
914[16:21:27] <sig_9> it is a cloud based OS
915[16:21:32] <Boodie> I mean, an online storage with
incremental backup in real time? With BT I have access to a 2TB
drive but it's a matter of manually copying & pasting
directories ... their app works only with windows
916[16:21:40] <ratrace> sig_9: no. it's a RHEL clone.
also.... what is a "cloud based OS"?
917[16:21:56] <sig_9> for cloud servers
918[16:21:57] <FightingFalcon> What happens when i update debian
9 to 10?
919[16:22:05] <Boodie> So, you have to install a distro ...
920[16:22:12] <james1138> Question from Indiana. Anyone here use
Bluetooth with Debian??
921[16:22:15] <Kobaz> FightingFalcon: the magic unicorns say
thanks
922[16:22:16] <ratrace> sig_9: so then Debian is a "cloud
based OS"?
923[16:22:22] <sig_9> Boodie: if you want to run your own cloud
server
947[16:26:31] <cybercrypto> Boodie: Lets clear things up: You
have a Linux-Desktop and want to backup your files into a
cloud-free-provider? If it is just your desktop files you want to
backup 'easily and safely at the cloud' take a look into
'Deja Dup Backup'
952[16:28:02] <cybercrypto> Boodie: Deja dup allows you to use
Google Drive built-in. (you can use other online storages with a bit
more 'cli' setup/work
954[16:28:21] <ratrace> just one thing to consider when backing
data up "into cloud" ... is it encrypted, and do you mind
if someone other than you can access it.
955[16:28:23] <Ede|Popede> so a4 is mounted on /target, a1 on
/target/boot/efi. seems fine, a4 is meant to hold the system, a1 is
the EFI partition of the previous install. depending on what (YES or
NO) i select on that screen, what will the installer do?
956[16:29:00] <cybercrypto> ratrace: Yeap. Dejadup does that
(encryption support)
983[16:33:53] <DanteD> Anyone managed to share a folder with
write access with virt-manager (debian host and guest ) ? I can
delete files if my folder is owned by libvirt-qemu but I can't
create new files
984[16:34:17] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: well what greycat said,
pretty much. you should find out what you installed from where and
then investigate if those packages exist in buster, if dependencies
exist, are met, would collide, etc....
990[16:37:53] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: or! and here's a
crazy idea! back up all your data, list of installed packages,
/etc... hell, make a full OS copy, make a Buster ISO just in case,
and try to upgrade. worst case, you install Buster from scratch.
991[16:38:10] <FightingFalcon> i will try that
992[16:38:50] <ratrace> on a less drammatic note, but also
including having backups, you could uninstall packages from third
party repos, upgrade, then see if you can install the third-part
packages for buster, if you even need them
993[16:39:00] <cybercrypto> FightingFalcon: Just check the
release notes starting from your current version and onwards.
Disable customized repositories and follow update/upgrade
instructions. Backup first and you should be good.
1001[16:41:43] <henko> well worst case when upgrading and doing a
backup of course.. bunch of software could stop working, right? then
just remove the parts which aren't needed and figure out how to
install the old software on debian. that would be my way of doing
this. Mind you I've never distro upgraded my debian yet.
1103[17:53:21] <Deyaa> Automatically like install certain packes
and GitHub repo on a new Debian installation
1104[17:53:39] <Deyaa> Repos*
1105[17:53:41] <greycat> setup.bash is not a thing that we know
anything about. It sounds like a script that's included with
*ONE* specific package, so you'd have to name the package for
us to have any chance of knowing what you're talking about.
1114[17:56:31] <greycat> The primary, fundamental failure here is
that these people think there is one consistent way to build and
install software that will work with EVERY piece of software. This
is beyond laughable.
1116[18:00:03] <greycat> (although usually they think
"./configure && make && sudo make install"
is the magic recipe -- this "setup.bash" nonsense is a new
one, which must be an artifact of the one particular piece of
software they happened to start with)
1117[18:00:51] <ratrace> i think the question here is about
preseeding debian installations ... if I'm understanding it
correctly
1118[18:01:25] <ratrace> the only other way for
"automatically installing software on a debian
installation", aside from using custom scripts, is config
automation ala ansible or salstack or chef
1119[18:01:30] <greycat> that would actually be sensible and
on-topic, so no, I'm sure it's not about preseeding ;-)
1120[18:01:38] <ratrace> heh
1121[18:01:47] <n4dir> what i would do, knowing what i know and
not knowing other things, i'd probably do one installation,
create an installable snapshot of it and then install that. Then had
to deal with differing hardware, of course.
1123[18:01:55] <Deyaa> 2:45 PM <rk4> one could always use
puppet/chef/et al to setup your computer too if you are so inclined
1124[18:02:00] <Deyaa> 3:01 PM <rk4> bash script is the
simplest imho
1125[18:02:35] <ratrace> oh I think they meant you write a custom
bash (shell really) script populated with `apt install` and whatever
else you need
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1127[18:02:58] <greycat> There is no single answer because there
are so many possible variants of the goal. If the goal is "I
want to install these 5 things that have to be compiled, but I only
want to do the work one time", you could either package them
yourself, or compile them all into /opt and then rsync the master
/opt to all the new nodes, or whatever.
1128[18:03:03] <greycat> Lots of possible answers.
1129[18:03:27] <n4dir> yup, the goal is not really clear.
1130[18:03:44] <greycat> because they started with the fallacious
assumption that there is a single consistent way to build every
piece of software
1131[18:03:47] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: :-) how to answer something
which we dont know the question/objective?
1132[18:04:02] <greycat> so they think "oh, this'll be
easy, I don't have to give any details or think"
1145[18:05:46] <sig_9> a good practice once you have the setup
you want is to create a list of insalled packages: 'dpkg
--get-selections > yourpackages.txt
1146[18:05:52] <Ede|Popede> Deyaa: *now* it sounds like preseed
to me, which was linked before
1164[18:10:37] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: So you have a
'list-of-packes' you want to install after every fresh
debian installation? Check ratrace linked 'preseeding' in
chat history. Read it and you may find out if that will work for
your needs.
1165[18:10:49] <Deyaa> What do you guys prefer to use?
1166[18:10:50] <n4dir> but then you still have to do the
configuring of certain applications. Which to me is more work then
installing the few packages i use. Hence i rsync the config files to
a stick.
1167[18:11:20] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: I prefer installgin packages
myself. period.
1168[18:11:28] <n4dir> if i would do such all the time, i would
use something like refractasnapshot (non-debian tool)
1169[18:11:53] <ratrace> Deyaa: I use ansible, as it also allows
me to keep on configuring and maintaining multiple machines with a
central policy.
1170[18:12:24] <Ede|Popede> hm. the installer wants me to reboot
now, doesn't mention the screenshots in /var/log anymore. and
there doesn't seem to be copies of the files on the installed
system yet.
1171[18:12:56] <tyzef> hi guys, I get stuck here :
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1173[18:13:26] <Deyaa> Thanks guys for your suggestions. I will
read it carefully and choose the one that suits me.
1174[18:13:59] <sig_9> ansible is a good tool and it is in the
repos
1175[18:14:54] <converge> Im trying to install an app, but its
complaining about a missing dependency,
"libappindicator3-1" , there are two packages called
(libappindicator3-0.1-cil and libappindicator3-0.1-cil-dev) , do
Debian unstable has a "libappindicator3-1" package?
1177[18:16:06] <ratrace> converge: the pattern of package naming
is that -dev are headers and other files required for building the
main package, or any that links against it
1178[18:16:45] <ratrace> also building custom software for sid is
kinda offtopic here. better ask in:
1179[18:16:47] <ratrace> !debian-next
1180[18:16:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
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1187[18:23:31] <Deyaa> sig_9: I will keep that in mind
1188[18:23:41] <Deyaa> Thanks
1189[18:26:40] <cybercrypto> unixbsd: not really...
Unfortunatelly I only found planner alternatives using online
services. Free online services are not good enougth and I use
smartsheets.
1206[18:43:39] <netcrash> Hello , is there any package for
libkqueue for debian buster?
1207[18:44:22] <unixbsd> (we love ads right ;? likely the linux
kernel will have google ads soon or later, since google is major
contributor)
1208[18:45:43] <Ede|Popede> the correct opacity may change it
into "who cares" at least :)
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1210[18:48:39] <Ede|Popede> what options does the `cp` on the
installer have? just says [OPTIONS]. have to save /var/log to HDD,
mostly for the screenshots.
1211[18:48:49] <Brigo_> ,v libkqueue
1212[18:48:51] <judd> No package named 'libkqueue' was
found in amd64.
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1260[19:16:31] <wsky> ,pinning
1261[19:16:55] <sney> the bullseye freeze is in 3 weeks. at this
point if you need bullseye/sid versions of packages, it's
pretty safe to just use bullseye.
1262[19:19:52] <netcrash> Brigo_: thank you
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1265[19:20:48] <Brigo_> netcrash, np
1266[19:22:59] <sponix2ipfw> sney: That mean we are going to get
another Stable soon ?
1267[19:23:20] <sney> fsvo "soon", the last few freezes
have lasted ~8 months
1268[19:23:50] <sponix2ipfw> Oh... I'm fine with that. Not
in a rush honestly ;)
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1287[19:38:13] <Ede|Popede> is sddm's appearance a debian
product? because it's a bit hard to read the blue timestamp in
front of the blueish background. but all in all it's a nice
view.
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1406[20:48:14] <seanrobert> I want to slightly modify a Debian
package's source. But then I still want to upgrade the package
when new versions come out. Are there any best practices for doing
this?
1407[20:49:34] <greycat> when you set the new package version,
put +yourinitials or something similar at the end
1411[20:51:46] <n4dir> seanrobert: look right at the top of that
how-to, julian67 probably gave the explanation later in that thread,
but i can't find it:
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1412[20:52:20] <seanrobert> OK thanks, I will take some time
reviewing this
1413[20:52:40] <n4dir> it is old, as you see. Not sure how valid
all of it still is. Just keep that in mind
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1435[21:18:33] <Ede|Popede> the utf8 handling on my new 10.6 in
the terminal is a bit strange. had to 'edit
/etc/default/console-setup # CHARMAP="UTF-8"' and
then `setupcon` (from notes i made for the livesystem), now
"süßölgefäß" is written
correctly, only when feeding it into `hd` the 'ß' is
replaced by a square and a dot. same for the capital versions. and
moving the cursor around the 'echo' line before
<enter> destroy
1436[21:18:33] <Ede|Popede> s the layout. font problem i guess?
1437[21:22:03] <Ede|Popede> /etc/default/console-setup is the
same as here. and here it works.
1463[21:35:41] <sney> probably environment differences. I take it
vnc.sh is something you made? you will likely need to declare
environment variables and use full paths inside it
1474[21:46:50] <hramrach> no difference with full paths, and both
programs used (mktemp and x11vnc) are in /usr/bin which should be in
path in sane environment anyway
1475[21:47:04] <sklav> hi guys is backports the only way to get a
more recent kernel? or are there better methods without having to
rebuild from src
1476[21:47:53] <greycat> backports is certainly the easiest
1477[21:48:12] <dvs> sklav: rebuild from src ;-P
1478[21:48:28] <sklav> im trying to avoid having to rebuilt
1479[21:48:45] <dvs> then backports it is!
1480[21:48:55] <sklav> backports works just was under the
impression there was a binary for latest kernels
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1482[21:49:11] <sney> there are 3rd party kernels around, they
aren't supported here, but generally self-contained enough to
behave
1508[22:10:31] <hramrach> I would like to see the program output
in the terminal for debugging. However, using terminal=false allows
the program to start
1509[22:11:24] <n4dir> i recall something like: xterm -e; and
quite some terminal emulators seem to use -e for such. I can't
tell you much more, been ages i needed such
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1561[22:37:01] <hramrach> anyway, this is as good as it gets with
the current software stack
1562[22:37:04] <hramrach> thanks for help
1563[22:38:09] <Ede|Popede> xfce's default panel Clock still
has the disappearing bug in Buster. i'm surprised Debian
didn't fix it, if on its own or by importing whatever upstream
would have made in the meantime.
1578[22:50:19] <beelzebuzz> whoever mentioned regolith desktop
recently.. thanks. wasn't aware of it
1579[22:51:20] <Ede|Popede> n4dir: it's the one just named
'Clock'. the default after initial install. did some
changes and when closing the dialog it just disappeared. as it did
on stretch already. but after all it's still 4.12.
1609[23:08:56] <Ede|Popede> weird, happened on this stretch,
every time on the live system (i just don't want to sit even a
single hour on a clock not showing date and time including seconds)
and now on buster. the moment i change the string WHOOSH it's
gone.
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1658[23:50:17] <Exagone313> Hi, I have systemd installed from
buster-backports (because, some time ago, I needed systemd >=
242, but I no longer do). It seems that the latest upgrade is not
compatible with latest linux-image-amd64, so it tries to remove it
(I haven't yet found the exact dependency issue). I have two
options, either find a way to downgrade systemd, but there is a new
package named "systemd-timesyncd" that isn't in
stable, so not easy to downgrade without uninstalling
1659[23:50:17] <Exagone313> systemd (!), or upgrade
linux-image-amd64 to buster-backports version (will probably work,
but still needs to remove installed kernel version and I don't
like it), but it may be a security issue in the future if a critical
vulnerability appears that is not directly patched in
buster-backports.
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1660[23:51:51] <sney> since you haven't installed the new
bpo systemd yet, just 'apt-mark hold systemd' to keep it
at 246.6
1661[23:53:08] <Exagone313> sney: yes, good idea if I want to do
other upgrades
1663[23:54:49] <Exagone313> if I boot on another OS and mount the
disk I could probably remove and reinstall systemd without issue
1664[23:56:29] <sney> it's likely that this dependency
conflict was a mistake on the maintainer's part, and will be
fixed soonish. your best bet without having to tangle with chroots
or uninstalling the running kernel is to hold systemd for a few
weeks, then unhold it and try the upgrade again