10[00:02:45] <annadane> ryouma, try pulseaudio -k and
pulseaudio --start, also possible you need to log in/out as
installing pulse may have added you to the audio group
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74[00:35:58] <annadane> ok but like, if it added you to the
audio group - i'm just guessing - you may need to log out/log
in as your user to get the group membership to apply
75[00:36:06] <annadane> or the pulse group or whatever
80[00:38:33] <ryouma> i have always been in audio, but for
pulse, logging in at console does not add me. are you saying i have
to exit all instances of user before it will work?
81[00:39:07] <annadane> i don't know what "all
instances of user" means
83[00:40:54] <ryouma> apologies if i offended. in any case, i
do not seem to be in pulse. i have stuff running that makes me
reluctant to restart x, but will do so if needed. all instances
means "do you mean i need to not have user logged in anywhere
or unning anything on the computer?"
84[00:40:59] <annadane> you can always just restate your
question so it's fresh and not lost in the scrollback
85[00:41:07] <annadane> you didn't offend, i just worry
that i'm not helping
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99[00:59:23] <wodim> when you have a dvd iso for debian, can
you just dd it into a usb drive?
100[00:59:44] <ksk> wodim: I suggest using cat, but yes.
101[00:59:47] <ksk> !iso
102[00:59:47] <dpkg> [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO
9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at
replaced-url
103[01:00:01] <wodim> the manual says to use cp
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105[01:00:05] <ksk> eh, not quite the faq I was looking for :)
106[01:00:09] <wodim> i guess three things are the same
107[01:00:14] <ksk> !usb install
108[01:00:14] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB
stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your
system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the
Installation Guide, see
replaced-url
109[01:00:21] <wodim> but dd has status=progress...
110[01:00:22] *** Quits: TheRuralJuror (~quassel@replaced-ip) (Quit: Bin weg.)
111[01:00:33] <ksk> yeah dd and cat are for sure, cat just has
some better defaults for copying to a usb-drive (you can tune dd of
course..)
140[01:20:49] <Gerowen> Would it be ill-advised to just upgrade
every package in stable from backports? I've got a laptop that
freezes randomly, and I'm not sure if whether a newer kernel,
firmware package, etc. would fix it.
141[01:21:08] <Gerowen> Thinking of just doing: apt -t
buster-backports upgrade
142[01:21:23] <joepublic> that sounds pretty ill advised, yeah
149[01:23:15] <Gerowen> K, I'm just not sure which packages
would help or hurt it. I've seen a few errors about missing
radeon files for my integrated vega grapics, so I'll try just
pulling in a new kernel and the firmware* packages.
161[01:28:08] <Gerowen> Negative. I've got my system log
viewer up and have looked through there in the past immediately
after a crash, but have never been able to find anything suspicious.
162[01:28:44] <Gerowen> Problem is the crashes are seemingly
random, I'm not sure how to go about reproducing them reliably.
163[01:28:53] <ksk> if you have standard debian setup with
journal and no rsyslogd, I dont think the journal is persistant
(meaning it resets on power-off)
164[01:29:23] <joepublic> but /var/log/kern.log should hang
around
176[01:35:08] <ryouma> sound is still not working. i have tried
replaced-url
177[01:35:08] <ryouma> ipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56]
(rev 06)" and "Subsystem: Lenovo 5 Series/3400 Series
Chipset High Definition Audio [17aa:3604]"
180[01:36:13] <joepublic> lastebill1, good question. perhaps use
gparted or some such to create a fresh new partition table on the
drive, and try again
203[01:47:21] <joepublic> they appear related, the first being
errors maybe with the storage device, and the second being failure
and reset of the storage device
204[01:48:20] <lastebill1> ksk could you type out the excakt
commands I need to run? It's my first run at parted. Sda is the
disk
205[01:48:29] <Gerowen> I'm running the drive encrypted
with the default LUKS option, set it up during install. The drive is
just a plain old 2.5" SATA SSD.
206[01:48:49] <lastebill1> ksk: I type sudo parted and it opens
parted
210[01:49:27] <joepublic> clean connectors, reinstall, wiggle a
little?
211[01:49:30] <Gerowen> Possibly, I've got a replacement
keyboard/clamshell arriving in a few days, so I'll have to take
it apart anyway when it arrives.
212[01:50:03] <ksk> Gerowen: might be helpful to let us dedice
whats bad and what not (Share full output)
214[01:50:18] <Gerowen> To be honest, I'm not thrilled with
this thing, it had dead pixels upon arrival, RMA'd it and the
replacement also has a dead pixel and a bright spot in the bottom
right of the panel.
215[01:50:19] <ksk> I can only say it does not look too nice
that error, but no Idea without context (the rest of dmesg output)
216[01:50:19] <lastebill1> ksk: /dev/sda (3001GB)
217[01:50:27] <lastebill1> when I type print devices
218[01:50:29] <Gerowen> ksk: I'll just upload my whole
kern.log then.
219[01:51:04] <ksk> lastebill1: it would then be "parted
/dev/sda" -> "print" - this should print you the
partition table
220[01:51:07] <ksk> !paste
221[01:51:07] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
222[01:51:56] <ksk> 00:50 < lastebill1> ksk: /dev/sda
(3001GB) -- this then means linux does recognize the hdd having 3T -
a good first sign ;)
244[02:01:41] <ksk> lastebill1: okay, confirmed than, you have a
800G partition on that 3T drive.
245[02:01:46] <ksk> s/than/then/
246[02:01:50] <nvz> you have a single 802GB partition on the
disk it would seem
247[02:02:19] <ksk> it also has the boot flag set, as a sidenode
- finally diskspace to install all the kernels that have been and
will ever be :D
248[02:02:35] <nvz> idk what kinda crap other than the HTTPs
that irccloud.com has, cause I never got past that point.. just kept
spinning and spinning
249[02:02:53] <nvz> it did the dns lookup, the tls handshake,
then just nothing
250[02:03:12] <ksk> lastebill1: I assume you want a 3T
partition? and further, that you a) have no data stored there, that
you need anymore?
267[02:06:05] *** Quits: r4u1 (~raf@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
268[02:06:24] <ksk> if you dont *need* to resize a partition, I
would rather stay away from that. but yeah sure, you should be able
to do it without any problems most of times
269[02:06:27] <nvz> lastebill1: resizing will take awhile and if
you dont need any data on it, then there is no reason to be resizing
it
270[02:07:08] <ksk> lastebill1: soo, to delete the partition and
create a new one, its basicly these steps:
271[02:08:24] <ksk> "parted /dev/sda <enter> print
(to make sure sda is selected, and disks looks like you expect)
<enter> del 1 <enter> (will delete first partition)
272[02:08:50] <ksk> make sure sda is the device you want to
"reformat" - your data will be lost by issuing the del
command! (more or less..)
273[02:09:11] <nvz> I somehow doubt that
274[02:09:49] <ksk> then you do "mklabel GPT" (again,
iirc, and it will ask you for a fancy name) - then mkpart with start
1 and end -1 - then you exit parted, then you call "mkfs.ext4
/dev/sda1" and be done
277[02:10:18] <ksk> deleting the partition table will of course
not delete your data, but still you should not be doing that if you
want to keep it in the first place.. :P
279[02:11:15] <joepublic> it will "make your data go
away" which is kind of a fine distinction
280[02:11:20] <ryouma`> i asked a question about audio a short
while ago in an irc session that became wedged. i am back, but stil
wedged in that versin of it and i have no scrollback and did not see
any answers.
281[02:11:51] <joepublic> fwiw ryouma` I saw it but have nothing
to add. Be encouraged, most here are however smarter than I
282[02:12:04] <ksk> ryouma`: as far as I can tell nobody shared
any insights about that. maybe try again tomorrow, its sunday night
right now in europe ;)
285[02:13:57] <lastebill1> ksk: how about making a partition for
the rest of the disk space? The rest of the space is currently
unpartitioned, correct?
298[02:22:19] <jim> trying to build a kernel package, it says it
wants to install gcc 9 but it's not installable (and a couple
others)... does this mean I can't build a kernel package under
buster?
299[02:22:43] <lastebill1> so I use mkpart, extended. Is there a
way to just start at the unpartitioned part of the disk and stop at
the end?
300[02:23:12] <lastebill1> or is the only way to spesify the
excakt location for both?
301[02:23:44] <ksk> jim: "apt-cache search gcc-9" begs
to differ.. what are you trying to install? care to paste?
302[02:24:05] <ksk> lastebill1: good question, let me know the
answer :P
305[02:25:44] <jim> ksk, just trying to build a 5.3.9 kernel
(same version as buster backport) and try to use the
newer-than-kernel-package way to do it (not sure yet what that is,
discovering as I go)
349[02:34:42] <joepublic> I pick the latter and use qemu/kvm
with aqemu
350[02:35:10] <jim> whatsaqemu?
351[02:35:15] <nvz> I tried qemu again awhile back.. still
seemed like a bad idea to switch
352[02:35:19] <joepublic> if you (1) can use virtualbox, and (2)
are really patient, you can use aqemu
353[02:35:33] <nvz> its still far more cumbersome to use, and
didnt seem to support dynamic disks
354[02:35:35] <joepublic> aqemu is a frontend for qemu/kvm
vaguely similar to the virtualbox interface
355[02:36:04] <jim> oh, like virt-manager?
356[02:36:22] <joepublic> something like virt-manager, but
looks-n-feels more like virtualbox in my opinion
357[02:36:34] <jim> oh ok
358[02:37:14] <nvz> I only have a 128GB ssd in here and I like
to keep VMs for all the DEs handy.. virtualbox allows me to do that,
making large disks but only occupying the space actually used on
them
359[02:37:31] <nvz> so I have 9 buster VMs on here under 50G
360[02:37:32] <jim> how do I search for held packages?
365[02:39:21] <nvz> or you can just run any apt command, and
it'll tell you there are held packages
366[02:39:34] <joepublic> nvz, qemu's native .qcow disk
image format only take up space actually occupied. the qemu-img
command can convert back and forth between disk image formats.
367[02:39:48] <joepublic> .qcow2 I should say, I guess
368[02:40:07] <nvz> joepublic: news to me. I still see no reason
to switch
369[02:40:28] <joepublic> the newer kernel issue would be the
reason to switch if it caused you a problem.
370[02:40:43] <nvz> I like the ease of use of virtualbox, the
saved state, the scale/seamless/fullscreen/windowed modes.. etc
372[02:41:02] <nvz> I just went back to the stock kernel and
waited a few days for the new virtualbox release :P
373[02:41:19] <joepublic> those features exist in clunkier
versions in qemu, but qemu doesn't do video acceleration, so
that would be a big reason not to switch if you need that.
375[02:42:44] <joepublic> for my qemu virtual machines I run
them in the background and connect to the with vnc. not vncserver
running on the host, but connect straight to qemu with krdc vnc
client, which shows whatever's on the guest machine's
screen, from bios post on.
376[02:43:13] <r4u1> SET theme chaves.theme
377[02:43:34] <joepublic> THEME SET failed. Thanks and have a
nice day.
388[02:45:02] <ksk> spaceghost: why dont you have a home
directory? you are running weechat as user, yes?
389[02:45:12] <joepublic> out of curiosity what does `whoami` or
`ls -al ~` say?
390[02:45:32] <spaceghost> Yes.
391[02:45:35] <ksk> rather what joe-public says, if you dont
know answers to my questions ;)
392[02:46:15] <jim> spaceghost, could you run: ls -ld / /home
/home/spaceghost /home/spaceghost/.weechat 2>&1 | nc
termbin.com 9999
393[02:46:39] <joepublic> much better jim.
394[02:47:03] <jim> well I think that would identify the problem
395[02:48:04] <jim> we'll get the error messages too
396[02:48:12] <jim> if any :)
397[02:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1432
398[02:49:47] <jim> joepublic, I built a feature into my irc
script that turns /home/spaceghost/.weechat into / /home
/home/spaceghost /home/spaceghost/.weechat
399[02:50:06] <joepublic> well done.
400[02:50:19] <spaceghost> Uhm.
401[02:50:39] <jim> because I discovered that permission
problems come up here often enough to justify hacking it into there
402[02:50:44] <spaceghost> As soon as i log i see this:
403[02:50:56] <spaceghost> Could not chdir to home directory
/home/spaceghost: No such file or directory
404[02:51:04] <jim> uhoh
405[02:51:19] <joepublic> that takes us back to, wonder why you
don't have a home directory. how's that paste coming?
406[02:51:31] <spaceghost> I changed the password recently, not
sure if that can be related.
407[02:51:33] <jim> that identifies the problem, like a
sledgehammer on a christmas reindeer
409[02:52:06] <ksk> might be you put your /home on a
partiton/disk/whatever that is not available right now, but thats
rather something you can tell us, than the other way round..
410[02:52:15] <jim> spaceghost, are you using that same machine
to irc here?
413[02:52:36] <spaceghost> I am trying to install an irc client
in my vps.
414[02:52:44] <spaceghost> Here i am connected from my
localhost.
415[02:53:15] <jim> so, did you create the user for that today?
416[02:53:24] <joepublic> have you ever logged in to your server
and not seen a warning about no home directory? if so, what changed
between then and now?
417[02:53:52] <ksk> also your ls "/home" shows
"Aug 30" -- which is quite some days from this day..
418[02:54:11] <jim> spaceghost, so, did you create the user for
that today?
473[03:28:22] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is
switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain
super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su
-l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin. It provides
an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See
"man su".
474[03:28:22] *** Quits: cjsarette (~cjsarette@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
475[03:28:37] <jim> so get out of that root shell using: exit
<enter>, then get back in using su -
479[03:30:30] <jim> about the user... normally, debian will
create a group that's the same name as the user, and make that
your primary group
480[03:30:42] <jim> spaceghost, want to do that?
481[03:30:46] <spaceghost> Oke. The user is deleted. What
command to create the user now?
482[03:30:49] <joepublic> hint, yes you do
483[03:30:55] <spaceghost> Yes.
484[03:31:01] <joepublic> adduser spaceghost
485[03:31:24] <jim> ok, the command adduser <username>
will do all that for you
486[03:31:45] <ksk> spaceghost: btw, "man useradd"
would kind of have told you to use adduser instead ;)
487[03:32:12] <spaceghost> Thank you.
488[03:33:09] <jim> also, useradd would need a "-m"
flag to create the home directory -and- populate it with whatever is
in /etc/skel
489[03:33:22] <jim> adduser will just do that
490[03:33:58] <forbid> not gonna lie i wasted a lot of my time
fiddling with useradd before i realized adduser is way better
491[03:34:20] <spaceghost> One more question, i put this: sudo
apt-get update and then i am asked for password of spaceghost and it
says that is not in the sudoers list.
492[03:34:31] <ksk> you should maybe invest in the habit of
reading manpages before trying commands out :P
493[03:34:32] <spaceghost> Then for what is sudo?
494[03:34:58] <ksk> spaceghost: for "su" you need to
know the root-pw. to use sudo your own user password
495[03:35:18] <forbid> well the thing is i did use the man page
for useradd but i glossed over the fact that adduser is better :)
496[03:35:18] <ksk> but you need to allow your user to become
root (via sudo) first
497[03:35:20] <jim> spaceghost, you can add sudoers to the
user's list of secondary groups
498[03:35:51] <spaceghost> <ksk> but you need to allow
your user to become root (via sudo) first
499[03:36:02] *** Quits: J_C (~jc@replaced-ip) (Quit: The bouncer lost its bungee)
504[03:36:48] <ksk> it means that anyone who knows your users
password can become root - in contrast to anyone knowing root its
password - so not really a risk if you are aware of that little
difference
505[03:37:09] <joepublic> spaceghost, you could also as root use
the command visudo to add your user to sudo - there is a line that
looks like 'root ALL (ALL:ALL) ALL' -- right under it, add
an identical line that says spaceghost instead of root
506[03:37:15] <ksk> and you do that by adding your user to the
sudoers group, as jim pointed out.
547[03:45:27] <spaceghost> When i try to do apt-get upgrade it
says: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg
--configure -a' to correct the problem.
574[03:50:21] <spaceghost> Oke, now apt-get upgrade worked,
thank you folks.
575[03:51:08] <jim> "oh, you're aiming a nuke at that
other irc user who's giving you trouble? put the nuke down
carefully, we know you're mad, so just let it go"
576[03:52:31] <jim> spaceghost, do you remember what command was
interrupted?
643[04:09:52] <ksk> Elon_Satoshi: I think you are then down to
"get java from oracle" - if they still have a supported
java8 version at all - or tell the dev to upgrade to a supported and
maintained java release
656[04:15:52] <ksk> you then connect to your box via ssh (or
mosh), re-attach to the screen/tmux and have your irc client
running. it will continue running if you are gone/not logged in -
and you can connect back to it at any time
678[04:22:50] <nvz> moaker_: which DE are you using?
679[04:23:05] <spaceghost> <ksk> spaceghost: might also be
you are looking for a "tmux + irssi (insert CLI irc client
here" setup - I quite like it myself
680[04:23:14] <moaker_> kde atm.. but open to others
681[04:23:27] <nvz> ,i kolor-manager
682[04:23:28] <judd> No package named 'kolor-manager'
was found in buster/amd64.
683[04:23:29] <spaceghost> Yes, or weechat plus glowing bear or
quassel server plus quassel client.
684[04:23:50] <moaker_> ahh thx nvz
685[04:24:01] <nvz> ,i kolormanager
686[04:24:02] <judd> No package named 'kolormanager'
was found in buster/amd64.
687[04:24:46] <moaker_> hmm repos cant find it either heh
688[04:25:06] <moaker_> but ill google
689[04:25:20] <nvz> I know the nvidia driver implements
something called digital vibrance which is pretty amazing
690[04:25:44] <nvz> but without a fancy driver based tool,
icc_profiles are a PITA especially system wide
781[05:27:03] <goofball128> jim no but i am planning to switch
from Windows to Debian, for learning purposes
782[05:27:35] <ryouma> the thing about my sound card is, the
speaker clicks (like it does when you plug in the plug) upon reboot.
i wonder if that indicates anything about software? or is it just
that power is lost momentariily?
784[05:28:47] <jim> (debian is pretty flexible as far as
upgrades... in order to upgrade, you would need disk space in the
/var directory so the upgrade process can download package files
there)
785[05:29:26] <nvz> moaker: does this help if key ==
'red':
798[05:32:09] <ryouma> goofball128: then the problem is, if you
want to take your sinstallation and run it on different hardware. i
do this, and it works, but i'm haveing sound card issues.
799[05:32:13] <ryouma> i.e. no sound
800[05:32:20] <jim> I like to let it just download package
files, at a time when I'm eating dinner or sleeping... then I
can start the upgrade again and let it install the packages (part of
what I mean by flexibility)
801[05:32:26] * nvz changes line 23 to read:
widget['widget'] = Scale(self, from_=0.1, to=10,
orient=HORIZONTAL, resolution=0.001, name=setting)
802[05:32:37] <nvz> as it supports much higher floating point
resolution than I thought :P
803[05:32:49] <ryouma> jim: is this just an option to apt-get
and apt?
804[05:33:08] <jim> yes, specifically the -d option
805[05:33:34] <ryouma> then you don't wait for those
incessant configuration dialogs -- they are all at once?
809[05:34:33] <jim> well that's not what I mean... you can
jsut download package files, and you can install those packages...
the former is with -d, the latter, without
810[05:34:40] <nvz> moaker: just save it as a file
"pygamma" then "chmod -x pygamma" and
"./pygamma"
812[05:34:45] <annadane> ryouma, the thing with any instructions
is you have to decide what's important to you - people have a
lot of different configurations/expectations so the release notes
are more detailed than the average person perhaps needs
814[05:35:05] <annadane> generally a lot of people probably can
just update sources, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade...
but do read the notes
815[05:35:13] <annadane> if only to skim
816[05:35:27] * nvz is a regular tkinter one-trick-pony
817[05:35:33] <jim> if you're running a server for someone
else, of course you have to be very careful
818[05:36:02] <ryouma> annadane: yeah i think i am ok at that. i
was intimidated by e.g. internet interface renaming. but then i ran
into it and figured out on my own taht you can do config -a and then
add a line to /etc/network something or other, and there is no fancy
other stuff you need to do
819[05:36:23] <ryouma> (that is i think i am ok at discardign
most o0f the irrelevnatn stuff. but it was still intimidating)
820[05:36:51] <jim> annadane, there's usually a step before
all those, before even changing your sources: you would first bring
your -current- version up to date
823[05:37:59] <ryouma> jim: i thought that is what you meant. to
dist upgrade to buster do you do apt update; apt -d upgrade; apt -d
dist-upgrade, then do the samet hing without -d?
824[05:38:06] <annadane> "issues to be aware of for
$stablereleasename" is probably more important than "stuff
that's new"
825[05:38:15] <annadane> and a lot of it won't apply to
most people
826[05:38:18] <nvz> that lil tool can def use some cleanup :P
*shrugs*
827[05:38:48] <annadane> though, do back up your stuff before
release upgrades
830[05:39:25] <jim> annadane, example, if you're running
stretch and you want to get to buster, you would first run
dist-upgrade without changing sources
831[05:39:53] <jim> then change sources to buster, then go from
there according to the release notew
832[05:39:57] <jim> notes
833[05:41:06] <ryouma> indeed, but presumably the release notes
tells you to do so. i hope.
834[05:43:14] <annadane> i was surprised to learn release
upgrades are relatively painful in the BSDs
835[05:43:26] <annadane> debian by contrast is kind of famously
known for ease of transition
836[05:43:40] <annadane> and if you want to be really sure the
problems are ironed out, wait until x.1
837[05:44:09] <annadane> or even x.2 for the truly paranoid, you
do get a year of full support
838[05:44:26] <ryouma> my problem is i read the realease notes
and take notes on them and then... if they change i won't know
840[05:47:05] <jim> ryouma, I think I would: apt dist-upgrade
(with -d if I don't have time, and without again when I have
time); at this point the older dist should be uptodate; then change
sources to the next version of debian (no further than one though),
then apt -d upgrade (then without -d when I have time then), then
apt upgrade with -d if I don't have time (but then I run it
again without the -d to complete this part of the upgrade)
841[05:47:47] <annadane> and do change your sources to the code
name, not 'stable'
842[05:48:21] <jim> annadane, yes, if you change them to
"stable", you could get surprised :P
843[05:49:12] <annadane> i still haven't done an actual
release upgrade
844[05:49:21] <annadane> all my installs of stretch and buster
were new
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847[05:50:49] <jim> annadane, how many stretches do you have/.
848[05:50:50] <jim> ?
849[05:50:50] <ryouma> annadane: installing takes forever
though. you have to create all your accounts, and make sure you have
the same packages that you used to (not sure what to do for tihs as
there are different instructions out there), then make sure your
/etc is appropriate, right?
919[06:23:17] <pythonhelpadjjj> I don't feel like
submitting a official bug report so if someone else wants to. Debian
10, fresh install, install ufw, can't access ufw without
modifying $PATH to contain /bin
920[06:23:49] <pythonhelpadjjj> Not even root can
921[06:23:50] <auscompgeek> is /bin not a symlink on your
freshly-installed system?
934[06:37:02] <ryouma> firefox-esr is crashing before it even
comes up. i have completely replaced my .mozilla directory with a
known good one and it still crashes. this has occurred before
recently and spontaneously fixed itself. is there some other source
of data firefox reads from?
950[06:48:05] <ryouma> nvz: it still crashes (with the same
dialog but not themed for gtk). it creates files in .cache and
.mozilla. it does not create any fontconfig things.
965[06:52:24] <pythonhelpadjjj> Anyone know how to run a command
when a systemd service dies and gets respawned?
966[06:53:28] <pythonhelpadjjj> I want to pause for a few
seconds, ensure the process has completely left memory, run a
command to send a message, then begin the restart
970[06:57:39] <ryouma> nvz: -safe-mode crashed. i tried using
another user, but i don't have another user with any kind of x
set up, and sux - no longer operates properly to make the other user
show up on my user's x.
971[06:59:20] <pythonhelpadjjj> han-solo, Yes but systemd
972[06:59:36] <ryouma> nvz: ok, i did xhost +, run quickly from
another user, xhost -. it crashed exactly the same as with main user
974[06:59:53] <ryouma> it also said:
ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 24140
ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue
signal...
991[07:05:31] <nvz> pythonhelpadjjj: another way might be
ExecStartPre=, ExecStartPost=, ExecStop=, ExecStopPost=, or
ExecReload=
992[07:06:11] <nvz> pythonhelpadjjj: see the Restart= in
systemd-service(5)
993[07:06:38] <pythonhelpadjjj> nvz, so if I have it do
Restart=on-failure I can't use OnFailure but instead must use
ExecReload?
994[07:07:08] <annadane> what actually are the best resources
for systemd learning?
995[07:07:12] <pythonhelpadjjj> I just wanna write this down
before I got to bed. Writing this unit file has kept me up an extra
2 hours. I've never done it before and now I feel comfortable
doing it again
996[07:07:54] <pythonhelpadjjj> annadane, The documents are
extremely verbose and don't get to the point fast, but they do
tell you a lot. stackoverflow has been a god send to me and reading
other unit files in /etc/systemd/system has been very very helpful!
997[07:08:07] <han-solo> maybe `ExecStopPost=`...
998[07:08:18] <annadane> freedesktop has some good pages
999[07:08:29] <annadane> it's just such a massive thing
that it's hard to keep on top of
1001[07:08:44] <nvz> annadane: man pages or freedesktop.org or
#systemd
1002[07:09:17] <ryouma> i can't even keep on top of
/bin/true
1003[07:09:32] <han-solo> i wish, they showed more example use
case service, timer, tareget units
1004[07:09:35] <pythonhelpadjjj> ryouma, I suggest you try
/bin/false instead!
1005[07:09:42] <ryouma> that's even worse!
1006[07:09:50] <pythonhelpadjjj> what about /bin/yes?!
1007[07:10:01] <annadane> /bin/laden
1008[07:10:21] <pythonhelpadjjj> I have a /bin/fish. this
explains why it smells.
1009[07:10:26] <pythonhelpadjjj> :s
1010[07:11:04] <annadane> i've messed around briefly with
fish and zsh, i wonder how much the ones in debian are useful
compared to the more recent upstream versions
1034[07:14:38] <dpkg> methinks ed is the standard editor!
replaced-url
1035[07:14:55] <annadane> oh hi there broken link
1036[07:15:12] <pythonhelpadjjj> !nano
1037[07:15:12] <dpkg> GNU nano is a text <editor>, the
default editor on Debian systems since 4.0 "Etch". nano is
also a DFSG-free alternative to <pico>.
replaced-url
1101[07:27:21] <Rodon> is it possible to have colored text of apt
output ?
1102[07:27:34] <nvz> Rodon: of course
1103[07:27:59] <ryouma> i think my firefox problems at leasst
this time started because it crashed. which was because home fs
/ewasn't available and became ro
1104[07:28:12] <ealfonso> this should be discoverable by
apt-file, right? how am I supposed to know that I need to search for
nc.traditional or netcat. nvz installed by cloud provider
1137[07:47:37] <fraktor> I'm using Debian Sid, and I wanted
to do a dist-upgrade, but it listed a whole lot of packages to
remove, including g++, rustc, cargo, all the llvm libraries, and so
on. What caused this to happen?
1138[07:47:40] <nvz> the answer is task-mate-desktop Recommends
libreoffice which recommends libreoffice-report-builder which
depends on libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java which depends on
libapache-poi-java which depends on libjaxb-java which depends on
libistack-commons-java which depends on libmaven3-core-java which
Suggests liblogback-java which suggests libtomcat9-java which
suggests tomcat9 which suggests tomcat9-user
1148[07:50:39] <nvz> fraktor: thats what sid is named after.. sid
breaks things.. thats what he does..
1149[07:51:17] <nvz> fraktor: if you're going to run sid,
you're suppose to know how to avoid these problems, fix them,
report them, etc.
1150[07:52:15] <fraktor> I just did a regular upgrade instead of
a dist-ugprade. I don't think I can add any more information,
since these would affect every single developer on Debian. I just
wanted to understand why this was happening.
1151[07:53:09] <nvz> you shouldn't be using dist-upgrade
unless you are doing a dist-upgrade.. which since you're on
sid, there is nothing to dist-upgrade to
1152[07:53:58] <nvz> dist-upgrade allows apt to be more lax in
resolving things.. including removing things
1153[07:54:35] <nvz> you also shouldn't be running sid
1154[07:54:41] <fraktor> I see. I'll keep that in mind in
the future.
1155[07:55:34] <annadane> what you can do meanwhile is apt
upgrade first, so it upgrades the things that *can* be, then see if
there isn't a transition going on (debian-devel mailing lists
or the debian transition tracker) or maybe wait a few days, or at
your discretion use aptitude to resolve stuff
1157[07:55:48] <annadane> but yeah, this is what you get running
sid
1158[07:56:00] <nvz> "performs the function of upgrade but
will remove currently installed packages if this is needed to
upgrade the system as a whole."
1159[07:57:09] <annadane> what i liked to do with sid is to
investigate things with aptitude to see why stuff was happening but
i'm just weird and like doing that and not everyone can trace
dependencies
1160[07:57:27] <annadane> i basically never accepted
aptitude's proposals, i only used it to see what was going on
1161[07:58:00] <annadane> !tell fraktor about debian-next
1162[07:58:42] <fraktor> Is that testing instead of unstable?
1175[08:02:30] <annadane> sid does assume you're familiar
with debian
1176[08:02:53] <annadane> if you're using sid because you
want newer stuff, many people don't actually need new stuff,
and if you do it's relatively trivial to get most things in
stable
1177[08:03:05] <nvz> the better approach is to run stable, and
ask your real question here
1178[08:03:15] <fraktor> I tried that for a while, but I do kind
of like bleeding-edge stuff.
1179[08:03:21] <fraktor> Maybe I should just go back to Arch. :P
1185[08:05:16] <nvz> I will however likely run testing/unstable
again at some point.. just not right now.. as I have one machine I
use regularly.. and I want it to work
1186[08:05:53] <fraktor> I've got two machines, so I should
be good if something really screws up
1189[08:07:27] <nvz> I have 5 machines, but I dont wanna be
dragging others out and fooling with em.. it'd all be nothing
but a useless waste of my time right now
1198[08:11:38] <nvz> then I take em to WV to get em changed..
since nobody else is dumb enough to accept a $16 bill .. but this
hillbilly will give me two $8s or four $4s for em every time..
1199[08:12:21] * nvz smirks
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1201[08:12:46] <nvz> fraktor: yeah, so do I.. which is why I use
stable
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1203[08:13:16] <nvz> cause I want it to work, even when I want
something newer
1207[08:13:55] <ealfonso> nvz yeah. but I still expect it to be
easier to discover what package I need to install nc, even if
I'm on a base install. shouldn't the "nc"
symlink be managed by the netcat* package?
1212[08:14:44] <ealfonso> I also noticed that, before installing
netcat, nc gave me: "nc: command not found". but after
removing netcat{,-traditional}, I get "/usr/bin/nc: No such
file or directory"
1213[08:14:46] <nvz> ealfonso: no, its managed by the
alternatives package near as I can tell
1227[08:26:45] <nvz> I'm tempted to stop this ssb, cause I
dont have any interest in blender, and I highly doubt there are any
key feature differences beween 2.79 and 2.80 that they are concerned
about
1233[08:29:18] <nvz> I do however have to get my power cord..
heh.. backporting something like this has me drawing 16.3w instead
of the 4.5w or so I was drawing before..
1244[08:39:31] <nevivurn> Hi, I want to set up a debian server to
host my personal email, hopefully to start using it as my mail email
if it turns out to be reliable enough. There seems to be a very wide
array of software I can piece together to do this, do you guys have
any suggestions?
1245[08:40:03] <nevivurn> I'm familiar enough with general
server administration, but email is a first for me.
1246[08:41:38] <nevivurn> And I want to be able to send and
receive mail from a local email client, such as thunderbird. (so I
don't require a web interface).
1284[09:24:11] <nick11> Hi. I am storing my laptop for a long
time, like 1 year. It will not be used. How much battery should I
charge it at before storing? It is a Lithium ion battery. Thoughts?
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1288[09:27:27] <Ede|Popede> !hardware
1289[09:27:27] <dpkg> Before buying any hardware, make sure it is
supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about
<hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me
about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific
hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net.
1290[09:27:32] <Ede|Popede> may be more effective, nick11
1379[10:42:07] <cluelessperson> Hi there. I'm confused about
something. I'm using network manager in a debian instance,
however I'm having problems with it not autoconnecting to wifi.
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1381[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> I can manually connect to wifi
1382[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> but otherwise it doesn't
autoconnect, and sometimes after suspend, network manager reports
"networking disabled" in an xfce indicator.
1383[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> so far, requiring a reboot
1412[10:57:42] <xaaa> how stable is ZFS in Debian Stable?
1413[10:58:15] <xaaa> is it nowdays as realiable as ext4 for data
partition (not for root)? will be using it raid'ed over 2
disks, and also over cryptsetup encryption
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1415[11:00:23] <kaleidekopy> Thankss Habbie. I'm attempting
to run an encrypted /boot partition and seperate UEFI partition.
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1417[11:00:40] <kaleidekopy> when i boot, it drops into a
grub> prompt and i'm unable to insmod cryptdisk
1419[11:01:12] <kaleidekopy> when i run "insmod
cryptodisk" it says "error: file
`/grub/x86_64-efi/cryptodisk.mod` was not found
1420[11:01:45] <kaleidekopy> which makes sense, because the
/grub/x86_64 folder itself isn't decrypted yet... but then how
do i get it to put it into the efi image?
1421[11:02:22] <kaleidekopy> .efi files all i see in the /EFI
folder are the
1447[11:15:08] <ratrace> xaaa: the only problem I currently have
with it, is that due to those licensing shenanigans and upstream
fixes being broken, ZFS on Debian for now disabled any SIMD support.
This currently only affects the fletcher4 checksumming as ZFS in
Stable is still 0.7.x, thus no native encryption (which is heavily
affected by that)
1457[11:24:50] <xaaa> ratrace: the ZFS code can not use some of
CPU instructions? wtf O_o
1458[11:25:27] <xaaa> ratrace: how can ZFS checksum data files,
if the file is image of a VM, and the VM does many small writes?
1459[11:25:37] <ratrace> xaaa: yea, the kernel changed license
around some API that ZFS was using for SIMD, to GPL-only and caused
huged mess
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1461[11:25:58] <ratrace> xaaa: for VMs on ZFS use ZVOLs, not
files
1462[11:26:01] <xaaa> does it keep sum for like each 16K or
something? even then it needs to recalculate, and read, 16384B for
each e.g. 256B write inside vm
1463[11:26:29] <xaaa> ratrace: ok and if I wouldn't, then
how bad/slow it is then?
1464[11:26:43] <xaaa> (other files also might get arbitrary reads
in the midle, well, DB for example)
1465[11:26:47] <ratrace> xaaa: ZFS is block-level, so it does
that regardless of whether it's a VM or not. it looks at a
transaction and has dynamic recordsize, so if 16k was written,
it'll write out a block of 16k
1466[11:26:56] <ratrace> (and checksum it as one blok)
1467[11:27:32] <ratrace> xaaa: it's very slow in some cases,
if "page" size and recordsize of the modified block is not
aligned.
1469[11:27:45] <ratrace> xaaa: problem is with modification of
prevously written blocks, not with writing out new blocks.
1470[11:28:19] <ratrace> if you had a block that was part of,
say, 128k transaction (default recordsize), and now you modify only
1k inside of it, ZFS needs to load up, checksum, modify, checksum
and write out the whole 128k block.
1473[11:28:54] <ratrace> that's why you want to separate
recordsize policies to different datasets. for example, our postgres
databases use separate dataset with recordsize=8k which is aligned
with postgres 8k pages
1475[11:30:31] <xaaa> ratrace: doesn't that become a problem
for files like databases, or torrents while being downloaded
1476[11:31:32] <ratrace> xaaa: it does if you're not
aligning recordsize with applications "page" size or
whatever. for postgres, that's 8k, so having recordsize of 8k
means that ZFS won't consider blocks larger than that, and even
if a 512k transaction was made, it'll split it up (and checksum
inidividually) into 8k blocks.
1477[11:31:54] <ratrace> so when it's aligned like that,
there's no problem.
1479[11:32:21] <ratrace> bottom line is, ZFS is a very slow
filesystem. you don't wanna use it if speed is more important
than data integrity.
1480[11:32:53] <ratrace> on the read-intensive side, ZFS kicks
ass due to superb ARC algorithm and multiple caches it uses
1481[11:34:04] <ratrace> however, you can mitigate some of those
issues with a) enough RAM for ARC to fit most frequently accessed
data, b) proper recordsize, c) a SLOG devices (eg. an SSD or nvme)
that buffers up write intensive activity before it flushes it to
spinning rust
1488[11:41:29] <u1f320> Does anyone know if, in lxqt, the desktop
icons(toggled from Desktop Preferences) My Computer, Network and
Trash, are dependent on systemd to work?
1491[11:45:00] <u1f320> Would this command be necessary if I
hadn't set any root password? # usermod -aG sudo user
1492[11:45:31] <u1f320> I mean, when installing
1493[11:47:15] <ratrace> u1f320: probably not, those icons have
nothing to do with systemd.
1494[11:47:33] <u1f320> k thx
1495[11:48:17] <damex> ratrace: depending on workload but for
example in our case zfs kicks ass on writes due to zil/slog so zfs
is not a slow 'file system' :)
1496[11:48:55] <ratrace> damex: it is, compared to others,
regardless of slog. just the fact that it checksums each block on
read/write slows it down considerably compared to other fs
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1500[11:50:49] <ratrace> damex: the advantage of ZFS in that case
is ARC and multiple caches it does. so when compared to
"regular" (LRU) pagecache (eg. ext4), it's more
effective.
1505[11:51:44] <ratrace> disadvantage of that is that while it
_acts_ like pagecache, the kernel doesn't see it as such, and
in some high memory pressure situations there can be out-of-ram
issues if ZFS doesn't free the caches up fast enough
1508[11:52:19] <ratrace> (which is the reason why by default ZFS
takes only 50% of RAM for ARC, and it's not advised to ramp
that up to total RAM size)
1509[11:52:21] <damex> well, you can limit arc :)
1510[11:52:58] <ratrace> you can but it's manual operation.
there _can_ be situations where regardless of your limit, other
parts of the system require RAM and ZFS doesn't free it fast
enough
1511[11:53:52] <xaaa> ratrace: will ZFS ever be in main repo of
debian? with contrib, as it seems to be now, I'm worried about
quality of suporting it, and of bug fix releases
1512[11:55:17] <ratrace> I don't know if it will, but I
wouldn't worry about that. worst case, you'll pull in
sources from github and build locally. been there, done that,
it's not a problem at all.
1528[12:02:50] <ratrace> xaaa: Ubuntu is taking ZFS to be
first-class citizen, supported by installer and other parts of the
system. With that alone I wouldn't worry about ZFS support in
Debian. iirc some maintainers of it are doing both debian and ubuntu
ZFS packages.
1530[12:03:26] <kaleidekopy> yeah im still having a problem with
grub :( i am completely unable to get cryptomount to work
1531[12:04:16] <kaleidekopy> i rebuilt my grub image, it said
that it included the proper modules.. but then when i boot from it,
it looks like it doesnt include them at all
1532[12:05:01] <u1f320> how do I know which debian I'm
using?
1537[12:05:56] <ratrace> u1f320: cat /etc/debian_version, or
lsb_release -a
1538[12:06:18] <ratrace> lsb_release won't tell you which
point release you're on, though, so /etc/debian_version is the
best source of that information
1539[12:06:34] <u1f320> cool, all great info, cheers all!
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1733[14:42:43] <ratrace> and basically, one installs
zfsutils-linux, which pulls in both spl-dkms and zfs-dkms, but
there's a bug on buster where you have to install spl-dkms
first and before zfs-dkms
1955[16:51:31] <guysoft42> hey all, how do I set the default
architecture in a multi arch system? Aka I want dpkg
--print-architecture to print something else. Is this hardcoded to
the dpkg binary or can it be modified?
1956[16:51:44] <greycat> The "default" architecture is
what you installed from.
1964[16:54:20] <Akuw> trying to add this deb
replaced-url
1965[16:54:34] <greycat> ,file bin/ss
1966[16:54:40] <Akuw> but got does not have a Release file
1967[16:54:42] <judd> Search for bin/ss in buster/amd64:
iproute2: bin/ss
1968[16:54:54] <greycat> hesco: iproute2 (see bot response above)
1969[16:54:56] <Akuw> is working that server?
1970[16:55:13] <hesco> thanks greycat, judd. that is helpful
1971[16:55:14] <greycat> !httpredir.debian.org
1972[16:55:14] <dpkg> The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based
on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by
<deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep
working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been
pointed to deb.debian.org.
1977[16:58:30] <greycat> So, one answer is "Yes, it should
work." Another answer is "You should migrate your
sources.list to the new thing." The real answer, if I remember
correctly from last week, is "Fix or work around whatever
broken HTTP proxy is causing all of your problems."
1983[17:01:13] <JPT> I use udev rules like this to rename the
real interfaces according to their mac address:
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add",
ATTR{address}=="00:1b:21:da:b3:85", NAME="eth0"
1984[17:01:46] <JPT> However, for some now partially known
reason, systemd-udevd decides to rename my vlan interfaces right
after systemd-networkd created them.
1986[17:03:12] <Akuw> but that server gives ping response
1987[17:03:15] <JPT> So systemd-networkd creates a vlan interface
like eth0.7 on top of eth0, and then systemd-udevd comes along and
tries to rename it - the interface gets stuck with a name like
"rename10".
1991[17:04:44] <JPT> I've already heard that this behaviour
might be due to a new NamePolicy feature in systemd, but that does
not help me understand, what exactly to do to fix my situation up.
1998[17:07:55] <greycat> If your actual goal is "Oops, I
installed i386 I wanted amd64 how do I turn it into amd64", the
only supported answer is reinstall. See also !crossgrade
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2039[17:27:36] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Oh, so does
replaced-url
2040[17:27:37] <guysoft42> greycat, so its not reinstall, its
building on top of the existing image. I am doing that to have the
closest image as possible to what Rapi foundation is releasing.
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2042[17:27:58] <guysoft42> !crossgrade
2043[17:27:58] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an
amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much
easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me
about <install debian>. If you've got good backups,
plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try
replaced-url
2044[17:28:08] <ksk> guysoft42: eh? then get a list of packages
they install, and install a new debian system. then add these
packages?
2055[17:32:57] <guysoft42> ksk, Also, I want the 32bit system.
There are lots of bugs at the moment with the 64bit arch. Its
experimental. What I am trying to get is a docker host which is
aarch64. So it can host
replaced-url
2070[17:43:44] * prompt32 Rpi community NEEDS someone build/host a
firefox arm build. The only options is firefox-esr version b.c and
the most private browser in universe : Chromium. Help ..., ;)
Mozilla dont ....
2078[17:51:13] <petn-randall> guysoft42: While I have sympathy
for your cause, neither Raspbian nor your custom OS based on it are
Debian, so you might want to pitch it in #raspbian or #raspberrypi.
2080[17:51:41] <CpAj0> i have created a deb package for a .net
core gui application with gtksharp and extracts the directory to
/usr/share/app-name then create a ink to /usr/bin/app-exe but when i
click in the menu launcher does not work but if i type in terminal
app-exe works
2081[17:51:42] <prompt32> petn-randall, It dont ! I just say my
complain... hahha
2082[17:51:44] <CpAj0> i'm doing something wrong?
2083[17:52:22] <petn-randall> prompt32: Ah, you might want to
join a different channel then, like:
2084[17:52:24] <petn-randall> !chat
2085[17:52:24] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows
on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2086[17:52:31] * prompt32 everything is debian to me ._
2087[17:52:49] <petn-randall> prompt32: I can assure you it
isn't for us. :->
2088[17:53:19] <prompt32> petn-randall, i'm ok, dont worry.
Just continue ...
2103[18:01:51] <damex> well, it turns out that debian just boot
linux-image-arm64 kernel from on any of that 'supported'
sbc that have dtb available and 'just works' i guess it
couldn't be simpler but sadly there is no docs about install on
such boards (every situation is 'unique'). i guess someone
(rolling eyes) have to write it
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2188[18:40:53] <damex> c0rnelius: well, i pick such
'libre.computer' boards specifically because of raspberry
pi formfactor. to stack them by using brass standoffs ... any idea
if there is any other decent boards in similar rpi formfactor?
2201[18:49:47] <c0rnelius> damex - good question. off the top of
my head Friendlyarm and Radxa both have a RK3399 board in that form
factor.
2202[18:51:27] <c0rnelius> i don't own either board, but I
do have a Nanopc-t4 from friendlyarm and it's a very solid
build. If it wasn't for Rockchip not being my thing I would
have prob looked into them.
2203[18:51:30] <joepublic> I have attached ssds to the olinuxinos
mounted as / that makes them not so slow
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2207[18:55:14] <c0rnelius> damex - there is also hardkernel with
the odroid-c2 (i thinks that is what it's called?) But I also
can't speak for it because I don't own it. Pretty sure
it's an amlogic SoC.
2250[19:09:05] <c0rnelius> damex - pretty sure the pi4 4G variant
still has probs with the USB3 port. You need to limit the board to
3Gigs for the port to work properly.
2251[19:10:22] <damex> c0rnelius: oh, usb ports, video/audio
output and other stuff that does not contribute to disk/memory/cpu
performance won't have any use here though
2252[19:10:40] <damex> and ethernet performance :)
2253[19:10:46] <c0rnelius> gotcha. just letting you know.
2254[19:10:55] <ZaZaGX> i kind of want a raspberry pi 4 now
2255[19:11:20] <damex> c0rnelius: yeah, thanks, i heard raspberry
pi 4 also break wireless when you enable 4k60 video output
2256[19:11:21] <ZaZaGX> but i see no point
2257[19:11:27] <c0rnelius> i've been waiting till the bugs
get worked out.
2322[19:39:22] <greycat> deleting random directories and then
wondering why things don't work is... uh...
2323[19:39:24] <jim> lovelytingy, the thing is, it's your
machine... you can do whatever you want... and, if you want to keep
the debian-ness of it, you shouldn't go deleting things from
places that debian packaging thinks it owns
2324[19:40:01] * greycat wonders what OS that actually *is*
2325[19:40:07] <jim> and one of those places is /usr (anywhere
except /usr/local)
2326[19:40:27] <greycat> if *any* of those places requires root
to delete...
2327[19:41:42] <ZaZaGX> Ubuntu using sudo
2328[19:41:56] <jim> python 3.8 is in experimental, land of the
packages that can't install or remove or something
2346[19:48:56] <jim> is it a package that's in debian now?
2347[19:49:11] <kreyren> 4.21 was affected but 5.0 (current)
would also be sufficient
2348[19:49:17] <ksk> kreyren: compiling wine from upstream is not
nearly as much pain as you would expect - I suggest you give it a
try if not done recently..
2349[19:49:19] <greycat> apparently one of the wine* packages,
but we don't know which one yet...
2350[19:49:23] <kreyren> the package should be in debian, but
i'm using sources from upstream
2361[19:50:14] <kreyren> pita to perform, afaik apt-src should be
able to do it?
2362[19:50:19] <greycat> NO
2363[19:50:23] <kreyren> why
2364[19:50:24] <greycat> NOT WITH NON-DEBIAN SOURCE ARCHIVES
2365[19:50:29] <OursBlanc> hi everyone . is it possible to avoid
to type the password each time i wish to do something with synpatic
or other soft... ?
2366[19:50:35] <kreyren> using debian source archive is also an
option
2367[19:50:40] <ksk> kreyren: that would only work if debian did
not do any changes to "whatever version of wine that patch was
designed for"
2386[19:55:43] <greycat> /usr/local/ is like a community soup
cauldron that everyone can dip into... /opt is closer to segregating
each cook in their own kitchen
2399[19:58:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2400[19:58:51] <ZaZaGX> lol
2401[19:58:52] <ZaZaGX> i knew it
2402[19:59:04] <greycat> It's true. You did guess correctly.
2434[20:05:16] <unborn> I know about script and scriptreplay but
I would like to keep it in one-file.txt
2435[20:05:43] <lovelytingy> i mean to say can i install
softwares like android studio,vscode,wine
2436[20:05:45] <greycat> script(1) is what you want. just skip
the optional timing file.
2437[20:06:00] <jim> he's removed dirs in /usr, so at best
he has now a frankenbuntu
2438[20:06:35] <robobox2> lovelytingy: yes, as long they as they
have debian package files
2439[20:06:46] <bipul> lovelytingy, I feel like 90% of Linux
distro today is being derived from Debian.
2440[20:06:51] <ZaZaGX> lovelytingy, download the debian iso and
install debian on your machine
2441[20:07:30] <jim> lovelytingy, wine is packaged, the rest you
can install from thier site (but remember, don't install
outside software in places debian packaging thinks it owns)
2442[20:07:33] <unborn> greycat: sure.. I did use it for a while
but when open log.txt file there are strange formatting thingy
2443[20:07:48] <greycat> that's part of what the program
wrote to your terminal.
2444[20:07:50] <bipul> FreeBSD is also good :D
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2446[20:08:35] <ZaZaGX> will bluetooth work for a bluetooth
speaker on debian 10?
2450[20:09:05] <unborn> greycat: is there any way to clear it
from that log file?
2451[20:09:30] <andyjpb> hey!
2452[20:09:36] <jim> lovelytingy, if you are interested,
I'll give you an image to download, write to a usb stick and
boot
2453[20:09:44] <andyjpb> how can I tell if the fix for
replaced-url
2454[20:09:45] <greycat> Ideally you would invoke the application
in such a way that it does NOT produce terminal control sequences in
the first place. E.g. turning of --color in some commands.
2469[20:12:38] <ZaZaGX> i wasn't sure if lovetolearn was
asking for that image. wasn't it lovelytingy?
2470[20:12:53] <jim> towo`, you may have the wrong nick
2471[20:13:34] <jim> ZaZaGX, technically, he hasn't asked
for it yet
2472[20:13:39] <towo`> ZaZaGX, yes, you are right, haven't
seen he was gone
2473[20:13:41] <robobox2> I use the firmware isos, and my weird
hardware works fine.
2474[20:14:18] <OursBlanc> hi everyone . is it possible to avoid
to type the password each time i wish to do something with synpatic
or other soft... ?
2475[20:14:37] <robobox2> What DE do you use?
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2493[20:20:31] <ZaZaGX> maybe g-lined from the whole freenode
server
2494[20:22:30] <OursBlanc> robobox2, i use debian 10 with
cinnamon desktop
2495[20:23:37] <OursBlanc> its very boring to each time type the
password. (Its a long one) if my session is unlocked and hard drive
decrypt : its ok ! its me :D dont worry computer :p
2496[20:23:51] <OursBlanc> i'll keep an eye on password
manager
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2529[20:38:57] <OursBlanc> When I minimize a window, it appears
at the bottom of my screen in the bar. I'd like to group all
the reduced "nemo" windows under a single tab; Same thing
for all the windows of my terminal (I don't like UXTerm I
installed konsole instead but whatever).
2572[21:03:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2646[21:47:51] <ryouma> is chromium ok to use in stretch? i.e.
it's about as secure as firefox-esr and it's about as
supported (i.e. new versions show up and so on)
2647[21:48:13] <ryouma> also are there any good dark themes and
dark content extensions for it?
2648[21:48:14] <greycat> stretch is still security-supported.
2657[21:54:03] <ksk> yap, until mid 2020 - and chromium was not
in the list of packages exluded for LTS support last time I checked
- so you should be fine.
2675[21:58:30] <Miles8of9> ahh there is no firefox 71 in esr...
2676[21:58:38] <greycat> !esr
2677[21:58:38] <dpkg> Eric S. Raymond, a very clever Linux d00d
with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a
guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out
CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar. Somebody whose
sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR
value before enabling vector: 00000000", or
replaced-url
2678[21:58:41] <greycat> ...
2679[21:58:44] <greycat> !firefox esr
2680[21:58:44] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see
replaced-url
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2682[21:59:28] <greycat> According to that calendar, esr 68 goes
away in September 2020. That's when we will be forced to use
78.
2685[22:00:16] <ryouma> my firefox-esr on stretch is crashing
before it starts (with a dialog box). i have tried a known-good
.mozilla. i have tried -safe-mode. i have deleted .mozilla. i have
run as a different user using xhost +. they all crash. i have
reinstalled. any idea why this is possible?
2686[22:00:48] <ryouma> (still crashes after reinstallation)
2687[22:00:49] <greycat> missing video chipset firmware, or needs
a different driver?
2691[22:01:13] <ryouma> it worked great yesterday than all of a
sudden started crashing. same thing a few weeks prior.
2692[22:01:44] <Miles8of9> dialog box surely reports an error..!
2693[22:01:56] <ryouma> "Firefox had a problem and crashed.
We’ll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts.
To help us diagnose and fix the problem, you can send us a crash
report."
2710[22:05:48] <greycat> 'cause yeah, just running down some
random path is better than answering questions like "what does
the error message say" or "I have xxx chipset" or
"dmesg|grep -i firmware says zzz"
2717[22:06:33] <ryouma> error message says "Firefox had a
problem and crashed. We’ll try to restore your tabs and
windows when it restarts. To help us diagnose and fix the problem,
you can send us a crash report."
2732[22:08:05] <rokshis> greycat, great. Could you also tell me,
why, when I input this command, it does not do anything? And the
terminal just stays hanging
2744[22:09:41] <shibboleth> first init for upstart, sharing
searches with amazon, replacing ifupdown for "netplan" and
now good bye to the debian installer
2745[22:09:44] <ryouma> it's intel video and audio. video
works great. audio does not produce audio.
2746[22:10:00] <greycat> But yes, you could also add the -f
option to ssh to make it fork a background child after it's
done with the foreground authentication requirements.
2770[22:20:31] <ryouma> that was a good idea. chromium crashed.
first chromium told me that /run/user/1000 was not accessible. and
it did look like i needed to chown it to user:user. so why, idk. so
i did and re-ran chromium. but then it crashed saying out of memory.
but i have 4.4G "avail" according to free -ht. (most of
memory is in buffers/cache.)
2771[22:21:28] <ryouma> i tried firefox-esr from terminal and it
spits out lots of gtk garbage, BUT running from another user does
not.
2772[22:21:36] <ryouma> (and crashes)
2773[22:21:40] <greycat> you will definitely want to figure out
what's wrong with your /run
2778[22:23:21] <ryouma> it might be that the dribe was
disconnected and /home was made ro. but that was not hte case the
previous time firefox crashed a week or so ago.
2780[22:24:06] <ryouma> in a while i will try rebooting, in case
there are similar evanescent fses that are broken (i assume run is
evanescent, perhaps it is specifically not so, dunno)
2793[22:29:52] <ryouma> (Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use%
Mounted on)
2794[22:30:08] <greycat> Hmm, that's ... not immediately the
obvious cause of your out of memory error.
2795[22:30:36] <greycat> 22608 used is a bit higher than mine
(2436) but I don't know what the normal amount is for a desktop
environment
2796[22:31:23] <greycat> maybe other programs are using up all
your memory (checking "free" would be good), or maybe
you've somehow managed to set a resource limit (ulimit -a)
2797[22:31:36] <ryouma> i run fluxbox and no dm/de/whatever
2798[22:32:17] <ryouma> no ulimit directly at least. free says
Mem: 5780108 709308 289836 141852 4780964 4631648 which is total
used free shared buff/cache available
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2800[22:32:40] <ryouma> which means, again, 4.6 available
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2841[22:55:56] <karlpinc> If I give apt a regexp which matches
everything for Unattended-Upgrade::Package-Blacklist (and configure
unattended upgrades to email me) will unattended-upgrade not update
anything automatically but email if something needs upgrading?
2842[22:56:18] <karlpinc> Seems like it should work, but the only
way to test for sure is to have a package installed that needs
upgrading.
2883[23:26:36] <Mazhive> can someone guide me to install a
package i have installed multiple times but now it does install but
is not available ??/ quite confusing hu,... it concerns vlc i am
using buster. it installs the
2944[23:42:35] <Mazhive> i get a output but no gui , i had done
some compiling on th source code of vlc i think there were some
overwrites on the files that should not happen ... probably my error
2945[23:43:09] <melkor> Hi everybody. I'm having a weird
issue. I attempted to install wine and my wifi stopped working. if I
stop network-manager and do iwlist it shows no networks, but my
other computer is connected. I've run through a bunch of stuff
including re-installing the wl driver and I'm kind of at a loss
of where to look next.
2946[23:43:19] <towo`> Mazhive, sure, it's your error
2947[23:43:43] <towo`> clueless compiling and installing by
bypassing the package management is allways a stupid idea
2962[23:47:33] <Habbie> it sounds like there is not :
2963[23:47:33] <Mazhive> towo' i appreciate your help , i
still have no gui
2964[23:47:35] <Habbie> :)
2965[23:47:39] <OerHeks> put one in and try the magic again.. or
wait, it automounts?
2966[23:47:43] <melkor> oops, nm, just modprode -r wl and
modprobed b43 and that seemed to fix it, maybe wine removed the
correct driver for some reason.
2977[23:50:47] <B|ack0p> Ede|Popede: what is that? diskette
package?
2978[23:50:56] <Ede|Popede> yep, the bigger ones
2979[23:50:59] <war9407> fail2ban question (using Debian's
fail2ban) Anyone able to get a host ABOVE a matching regex? (the
line above)? - I have the asme problem as this guy but can't
get it to work ->
replaced-url
2980[23:51:03] <B|ack0p> lol what do you use them for?
2982[23:51:25] <Ede|Popede> maybe i feel like using that old
floppy again some day
2983[23:51:30] <towo`> Ede|Popede, i don't think, there is
any usb floppy for 5.25" discs
2984[23:51:37] <Mazhive> i get output VLC media player 3.0.8
Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7) and the next line my cursor
is blinking waiting to type something :)
2985[23:51:53] <Ede|Popede> towo`: wouldn't surprise me if
there was a mod for some 1541
3000[23:56:18] <ryouma> ok gonna reboot and stuff to try to fix
firefox
3001[23:56:21] <Ede|Popede> atm my other system works a bit like
in the old days. live system and installer both boot fine in BIOS
and EFI mode, only i don't get it to see the installed buster.
so at least a use some kind of boot disk again after all these years
:)