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• 1[00:00:06] <c-c> n111cky: I agree, but you miss the point. The point is there is no need for ubuntu-like PPA system. IMHO.
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• 3[00:00:39] <n111cky> c-c: yeah I'll agree with you on that.
• 4[00:00:42] <wewlad> pingfloyd: hold on, a guy from #winehq says I don't have to build a full package just to test a patch
• 5[00:01:13] <n111cky> missmbob: I didn't know that. But I'm sure there are still kinks with using ubuntu PPA's due to translation between release names
• 6[00:02:11] <missmbob> n111cky: also replaced-url
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• 9[00:02:33] <c-c> n111cky: have you looked at replaced-url
• 10[00:02:40] <n111cky> I just find that coming from other linux distributions like arch linux or gentoo or ubuntu, getting certain software suites to work is a bit more of a pain, and they're never going to be packaged either.
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• 12[00:02:55] <c-c> me, I just make .debs
• 13[00:03:34] <n111cky> missmbob: yeah, that's what I use currently for android studio. It's simple enough. I was just curious about plans going forward, because I had read that link from above about the project lead pushing for ppa's as a supported thing in debian
• 14[00:03:41] <c-c> n111cky: sorry, thats a bit vague, what do you mean, exactly? Making many debs from a "suite"(?)
• 15[00:04:11] <c-c> or, make style install?
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• 17[00:04:45] <pingfloyd> wewlad: yeah, probably should just run from the source tree since you're testing things out (i.e., build but don't install).
• 18[00:04:55] <n111cky> c-c: both, but doing it while working with others.
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• 20[00:05:32] <n111cky> the AUR and ubuntu's PPA system tends to make things a lot simpler to go from zero to installed for experimental or will-not-package software
• 21[00:06:14] <n111cky> I think most people running oracle java on ubuntu are doing it via a PPA. And there are certainly security concerns within trusting some random person to do that for you.
• 22[00:06:38] <c-c> n111cky: so, do you think making .debs for debian is difficult?
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• 25[00:06:47] <c-c> n111cky: or, using thos debs?
• 26[00:06:56] <c-c> See why I have no idea what are you talking about? :)
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• 28[00:07:42] <n111cky> I think making debs is relatively difficult compared to other distributions
• 29[00:07:47] <pingfloyd> wewlad: that's what I do most of the time with stuff I download from upstream and compile. I compile it, then symlink their binaries to ~/bin. Especially stuff I'm pulling from git repos often.
• 30[00:07:48] <n111cky> using them is stupidly simple
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• 32[00:08:46] <wewlad> pingfloyd: I'm pretty new to all that, I don't really understand what to do. I have just a patch as a .diff file. The project is wine. wine-development. How to test a patch?
• 33[00:08:56] <c-c> n111cky: I don't see how making debs for ubuntu would be easier...
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• 35[00:08:58] <pingfloyd> wewlad: I usually only worry about making a package for stuff I need installed system-wide
• 36[00:09:16] <wewlad> I guess I don't need that
• 37[00:09:19] <pingfloyd> wewlad: then this is a learning experience
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• 39[00:09:37] <pingfloyd> wewlad: this stuff gets easier after you've done it for awhile
• 40[00:09:42] <n111cky> c-c: it's not that dpkg is particularly difficult to work around compared to other distributions. I actually find it easier than arch pkgbuilds, for example. It's just that there isn't a great way to search around and find work that others have done to package random software
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• 42[00:10:05] <c-c> n111cky: so, the problem is people don't set up debian repos?
• 43[00:10:15] * c-c thinks we are getting there
• 44[00:10:36] <wewlad> pingfloyd: could you guide me a bit?
• 45[00:10:46] <wewlad> what do I need to do to test a suggested patch?
• 46[00:10:57] <pingfloyd> wewlad: I've never compiled wine, but I can probably give you some good general advice
• 47[00:11:13] <n111cky> No. You're imaging a wonderful and ficticious world where federated online communities have ever worked.
• 48[00:11:32] <n111cky> a centralized repository like launchpad or the aur for build scripts makes things easier.
• 49[00:11:56] <n111cky> debian is able to survive in spite of this because it has an amazing community. But the point still stands.
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• 52[00:12:28] <n111cky> imagine a novice user just installed linux and wants to run android studio
• 53[00:12:34] <pingfloyd> wewlad: which patch?
• 54[00:12:37] * c-c is not imagining anything, and doesn't pretend to know why debian survives or works
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• 57[00:12:52] <c-c> n111cky: they would make install it, so what
• 58[00:13:06] <wewlad> pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 59[00:13:15] <n111cky> sidestepping their package manager in the process
• 60[00:13:53] <c-c> so? if you are not willing to learn your OS/distro/pm, thats what you will do
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• 63[00:14:18] <c-c> n111cky: sorry but imho you failed to unearth a problem, and ended up whining at me
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• 65[00:14:44] <pingfloyd> wewlad: replaced-url
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• 67[00:14:53] <n111cky> c-c: don't get confused. I came in here to ask a question about a statement made by the former debian project lead, you're the one who baited me into a debate about package management.
• 68[00:14:57] <c-c> debian has offered means to create repos for your packages long ago
• 69[00:15:17] <awal1> n111cky, I trust the DDs & maintaners, and I feel reasonably secure running debian; I won't run any third party stuff not "official". That's why I said "that will not happen in debian", meaning that stuff similar to aur/ppas will probably not be officially recommended/supported.
• 70[00:15:29] <c-c> perhaps ubuntu and PPAs offer something more, but thats not evident from your comments, and its not my 'imagination'
• 71[00:15:34] <wewlad> pingfloyd: hmm, seems simple
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• 74[00:16:13] <c-c> n111cky: and no baiting intended, I just wanted to get to the matter and fact. Again, you can somewhat easily make a repo, so thats that.
• 75[00:16:15] <SynrG> The question wasn't a support question, but a broad, open ended question inviting debate
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• 78[00:17:14] <SynrG> If appreciate it if it were just dropped, thanks
• 79[00:17:25] <SynrG> I'd*
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• 82[00:18:31] <simonlnu> *psst*, don't mess with him, he's one of the sysops ;).
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• 85[00:18:42] <n111cky> awal1: I agree whole heartedly. I fully understand the trade off of installing random packages and I don't like it either. I just think that other projects benefit from a centralized place where people collaborate on packaging scripts, and I was wondering about something I heard. Will drop it now.
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• 88[00:19:21] <SynrG> Thanks
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• 90[00:19:28] <n111cky> c-c: I see where you're coming from and for the most part I agree.
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• 92[00:20:54] <c-c> perhaps there is a debian devs community someplace with semi-secret repos full of fresh debs...
• 93[00:21:56] <SynrG> !experimental
• 94[00:21:56] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
• 95[00:22:02] <SynrG> Not so secret
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• 97[00:22:21] <SynrG> And not recommended for average users either
• 98[00:23:40] <SynrG> Audi not secret:
• 99[00:23:44] <SynrG> !mdn
• 100[00:23:45] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
• 101[00:23:51] <SynrG> Also*
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• 104[00:24:43] <c-c> Yes, perhaps the long answer would mention broadly underlying ideology of "software package lifecycle" in debian isn't quite suitable for Ubuntu or Arch style "fix-it-while-you-use-it" approach. n111cky SynrG awal1
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• 107[00:25:09] <c-c> (and have better english grammar)
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• 110[00:26:02] <SynrG> n111cky: i hope that answers in a more concrete way what seemed like a very abstract question that could only have speculative answers
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• 114[00:27:02] <SynrG> For the most part we try to put new things in Sid and then if it can be done, add backports
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• 117[00:27:38] <n111cky> SynrG: did you see my link? replaced-url
• 118[00:27:43] <SynrG> In a few exceptional cases like mdn, developers set up special sites to help users get bleeding edge stuff
• 119[00:27:44] <n111cky> forward search ppa
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• 122[00:28:02] <n111cky> that's the only reason I asked
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• 126[00:28:49] <SynrG> You might search the debian-devel list archives to see discussion about the idea
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• 131[00:30:24] <SynrG> Generally the dpl sites not take technical leadership of the project or set the direction for what we work on for their term (i say this as a recently retired DD: 1997-2016)
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• 133[00:30:42] <SynrG> does* not take
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• 137[00:32:30] <awal1> n111cky, I'm just and end debian user. What I wanted to tell youis: during almost 2 years, every 2 years, debian developers, maintainers and hundruds of contributors have a goal: release 'debian stable'. I dont think ppa/aur style can be combined with such (debian) philosophy... Dpkg factoid about experimental reflects how things are manager in debian. That's all
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• 139[00:33:04] <awal1> managed ^
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• 142[00:33:43] <SynrG> Speculative. But probably accurate. And not wrapping up the topic. Sorry for contributing to dragging it out. We should get back to support.
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• 144[00:33:56] <pingfloyd> PPAs and AUR give the end user the wrong idea
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• 146[00:34:12] <SynrG> pingfloyd: please, no more
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• 161[00:39:43] <n111cky> fwiw you guys honestly changed my perspective on the topic, so thank you for the conversation.
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• 168[00:42:51] <SynrG> n111cky: np. And do that search of the list, perhaps. That's how to accurately assess "will Debian do x?" If sufficient objections are raised that the proposer drops it, you'll know the idea was tried and rejected, and why
• 169[00:43:15] <SynrG> irc doesn't necessarily give you that perspective
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• 185[00:51:34] <wewlad> omfg
• 186[00:52:18] <wewlad> 'sudo aptitude build-dep wine64' results into this: replaced-url
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• 193[00:54:20] <SynrG> wewlad: hard to say without seeing appropriate output from your system but one possible cause is mixing releases
• 194[00:54:50] <wewlad> what does 'mixing releases' mean?
• 195[00:55:06] <SynrG> Show output from: apt-cache policy
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• 201[00:56:12] <crash_> is this channel a non-official debian irc? beacuse there is one over at oftc.net too
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• 203[00:56:23] <wewlad> SynrG: replaced-url
• 204[00:56:39] <missmbob> crash_: oftc is official. this one was here first. long story.
• 205[00:56:54] <crash_> missmbob: ok thanks :)
• 206[00:57:18] <jmcnaught> wewlad: it looks to me like you have installed mesa from backports. You should try "aptitude -s -t jessie-backports build-dep wine64" instead
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• 211[00:58:16] <wewlad> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 214[00:59:18] <SynrG> Ah. You have backports which is OK. However, build-dep can't figure out which -dev packages to install without conflicts with your backports. You could try -t jessie-backports
• 215[00:59:54] <SynrG> Sigh. Took me too long to check the pastes and write
• 216[00:59:55] <wewlad> I do have backports. I've installed wine from backports, because the other repo has a very outdated version of wine
• 217[01:00:08] <SynrG> So this has already been answered. :)
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• 221[01:00:44] <wewlad> SynrG: well, jmcnaught told me to run a command, but it yielded 'Unable to find the source package for "wine64".' Twice.
• 222[01:01:11] <SynrG> Makes sense
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• 224[01:01:30] <jmcnaught> wewlad: you are probably missing the deb-src line for jessie-backports
• 225[01:01:48] <wewlad> jmcnaught: in fact I do
• 226[01:02:08] <wewlad> is the url and options the same as for 'deb'?
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• 235[01:03:05] <jmcnaught> wewlad: yes
• 236[01:03:14] <wewlad> someone, add it to replaced-url
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• 238[01:03:50] <pingfloyd> wewlad: you've got it like this in sources.list? deb-src replaced-url
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• 240[01:04:44] <wewlad> oh god, I guess I've ruined something: 'sudo apt-get update' results into 'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. \n N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed?'
• 241[01:05:07] <missmbob> wewlad: no one told you to use https
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• 243[01:05:30] <wewlad> missmbob: and I didn't.
• 244[01:05:39] <wewlad> it's wine-staging repo that uses https
• 245[01:05:51] <wewlad> I've just tried to compile wine with a patch
• 246[01:06:04] <wewlad> failed on the stage of getting proper 'build-deps'
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• 249[01:06:28] <jmcnaught> wewlad: well you should try without the wine staging repo
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• 252[01:06:42] <wewlad> hmm
• 253[01:06:44] <wewlad> it works
• 254[01:06:45] <SynrG> The error message gives you a clue anyway.
• 255[01:06:46] <wewlad> thanks
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• 257[01:07:11] <SynrG> ,v apt-transport-https
• 258[01:07:12] <judd> Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; stretch: 1.3~rc1; sid: 1.3~rc2
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• 262[01:07:44] <wewlad> thanks, installed that package now it supports https urls
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• 269[01:10:42] <wewlad> thank you, guys
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• 278[01:21:35] <DeaDSouL> Hi, is it possible to prevent feeding energy to the battery even the power-cort is plugged-in ?
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• 282[01:22:43] <starstuff> How do I change my refresh rate so that it sticks after a reboot? After setting to 144Hz and then rebooting, it goes back to 60Hz.
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• 287[01:26:48] <pingfloyd> starstuff: are you running a CRT?
• 288[01:27:25] <somiaj> starstuff: what are you using to set this? And I assume you mean your refresh rate in xorg?
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• 311[01:42:01] <starstuff> pingfloyd: No, it's a benq monitor with support for 144Hz and that's the refresh rate that I want.
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• 314[01:42:21] <starstuff> somiaj: I'm using nvidia-settings. But I also tried directly editing my xorg.conf.
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• 318[01:44:55] <_ADN_> does the latest debian release support sparc architecture (sun microsystems)
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• 322[01:46:11] <c-c> _ADN_: Sun Sparc?
• 323[01:46:20] <_ADN_> yes
• 324[01:46:32] <missmbob> _ADN_: no.
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• 326[01:47:11] <_ADN_> fro your knowledge do you know any linux distribution that works with sun psarc?
• 327[01:47:19] <_ADN_> apart from Solaris
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• 329[01:47:54] <c-c> _ADN_: debian does not release for sparc
• 330[01:48:03] <missmbob> _ADN_: i can't think of one. fedora stopped as well
• 331[01:48:11] <c-c> _ADN_: but, debian is ported, or there is a project for sparc port of debian
• 332[01:48:19] <c-c> sparc is 32 bit isn't it
• 333[01:48:28] <missmbob> there was. it's basically dead
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• 337[01:48:38] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 338[01:48:47] <_ADN_> yes I saw hat debian
• 339[01:48:55] <_ADN_> thats the reason I wanted to get more info here
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• 342[01:49:58] <TomTomTo1> there is work going on for a sparc64 port for stretch. not sure how complete that's going to be.
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• 345[01:51:32] <_ADN_> just was hopig there should be something already done
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• 347[01:52:23] <awal1> DeadSoul, i think it's that's handled by your bios/uefi and some power ships stuff. I have a dell laptop which does that " prevent feeding energy to the battery even the power-cort is plugged-in"
• 348[01:52:24] <_ADN_> isainfo -v --> They started wit 32bits but I think they put 64 bit as well. Though sun microsystems just dissapear
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• 351[01:53:10] <awal1> DeaDSoul ^
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• 355[01:59:07] <c-c> So, any debianites looking at Rust? Does it hold promise?
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• 358[01:59:51] <bipul> Do anyone help, to know what exactly making me stop to delete the file. replaced-url
• 359[02:00:05] <bipul> I am sorry directory.
• 360[02:00:23] <c-c> bipul: didn't look, but probably the "immutable" bit?
• 361[02:00:47] <bipul> c-c, No immutable bit, it's simple permissions on it.
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• 363[02:01:03] <bipul> No special permissions like stickt bit
• 364[02:01:12] <bipul> sticky*
• 365[02:01:17] <c-c> bipul: are you sure?
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• 367[02:01:37] <bipul> Yes, sir i can pate you the permissions of each directory
• 368[02:01:49] <leba2__> A backport is really a package taken from testing branch to stable branch? Can I install backport packages by just adding the repo in sources.list and apt update?
• 369[02:01:53] <n-iCe> would lxde run faster than xfce?
• 370[02:01:56] <n-iCe> will
• 371[02:02:01] <pingfloyd> bipul: AA doesn't have write mode for the group
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• 373[02:02:44] <DeaDSouL> awal1: back, sorry bro I was away
• 374[02:02:56] <DeaDSouL> awal1: someone told about: replaced-url
• 375[02:03:00] <bipul> drwxr-xr-x 4 lucy lucy 4096 Aug 23 03:50 AA/, yes it does not have but it's parent directory have write mode.
• 376[02:03:10] <DeaDSouL> awal1: they seems to be supported by lenovo
• 377[02:03:18] <DeaDSouL> but what about HP?
• 378[02:03:23] <missmbob> bipul: greycat already gave you the answer for this
• 379[02:03:24] <DeaDSouL> mine is HP :p
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• 381[02:03:42] <starstuff> How do I change my display refresh rate so that it sticks after a reboot? After setting to 144Hz and then rebooting, it goes back to 60Hz. I tried using nvidia-settings to change it and I also tried editing xorg.conf directly.
• 382[02:03:48] <leba2__> Can I find samba 4.4 in jessie backports?
• 383[02:04:00] <DeaDSouL> even c-c said it's supported by ibm/lenovo
• 384[02:04:08] <missmbob> leba2__: no
• 385[02:04:12] <pingfloyd> bipul: the permission denied message tell you exactly what the problem is
• 386[02:04:13] <bipul> missmbob, Yes, he told that parent directory must should have Write permissions, along with the directory should must empty, if it is not use rm -rf
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• 390[02:04:39] <leba2__> How can I backport latest sid's samba version then?
• 391[02:04:58] <bipul> pingfloyd, Yes, i am trying to figure it out.
• 392[02:04:59] <missmbob> ,checkbackport samba
• 393[02:05:00] <judd> Backporting package samba in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.26~), libtalloc-dev (>= 2.1.6~), libtdb-dev (>= 1.3.8~), libtevent-dev (>= 0.9.25~), python-ldb (>= 2:1.1.26~), python-ldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.26~), python-talloc-dev (>= 2.1.6~), python-tdb (>= 1.3.8~).
• 394[02:05:02] <missmbob> leba2__: ^ you dont
• 395[02:05:07] <pingfloyd> bipul: you can't rm AA/FILE2 for example if you don't have write permissions on AA
• 396[02:05:32] <bipul> pingfloyd, Yes, it working fine for files, but not rest of the directory.
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• 400[02:06:45] <pingfloyd> bipul: you don't have the needed permission to remove anything from AA
• 401[02:07:05] <bipul> Yes, pingfloyd
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• 405[02:07:52] <pingfloyd> bipul: so chmod g+w AA and then try again
• 406[02:08:03] <bipul> So it works like, one parent directory up with W option.,?
• 407[02:08:13] <missmbob> that is what greycat said
• 408[02:08:29] <bipul> :)
• 409[02:08:32] <missmbob> 19:12 < greycat> 1) the directory must be empty, and 2) you must have write permission on the directory's PARENT directory
• 410[02:08:56] <pingfloyd> bipul: mode on directory determines if you can remove its contents
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• 412[02:09:31] <bipul> pingfloyd, Yes.
• 413[02:09:36] <bipul> Thank you.
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• 416[02:09:52] <DeaDSouL> well, the only achievable hack I can think of, is getting a 'wireless power switch' and let the system send the on|off commands based on the battery-percentage
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• 418[02:10:19] <starstuff> I don't know what is going on. I guess something is reverting my xorg.conf back to a backup original every time I reboot?
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• 420[02:10:42] <c-c> DeaDSouL: are you sure your bios doesn't control the charger tresholds...
• 421[02:10:52] <c-c> starstuff: its possible
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• 424[02:11:48] <DeaDSouL> c-c: I've checked my bios, there was no option about that... do you nean it still can handle it without mentioning it in the bios screen?
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• 430[02:13:02] <DeaDSouL> c-c: how can I be sure bro?
• 431[02:13:31] <DeaDSouL> c-c: download 'tp-smapi-dkms' and try it?
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• 437[02:16:52] <c-c> DeaDSouL: that package is for thinkpads and probably for debian only
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• 439[02:17:19] <c-c> DeaDSouL: I don't mean anything, you need to figure it out for your laptop if it is even possible.
• 440[02:17:52] <awal1> SeaDSoul, the only thing I know is that my dell machine doesn't have any stuff in the uefi & legacy bios regarding battery but automatically it stops charging when the battery is full... Also that depends on laptop models as c-c told you
• 441[02:17:58] <awal1> DeaDSoul
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• 445[02:19:29] <starstuff> I have only one file in my /etc/X11 that is named xorg.conf*. There are no others. And it's set to 144Hz Vertical Refresh. But when I reboot, somehow my refresh goes back to 60Hz, even though it says 144Hz in my xorg.conf. I'm at a loss.
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• 447[02:20:52] <DeaDSouL> c-c: indeed it says "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'tp_smapi': No such device"
• 448[02:20:54] <anonnumberanon> hi i have usb bluetooth logitech headset that I am trying to use with my debian 8. with the pulseaudio GUI i can see in input devices that when i make noise into the mike, the GUI shows the noise. I get no sound out though what should I do?
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• 453[02:22:15] <c-c> awal1: in fact, some Dell models have software that allows you to control those, which had me wondering if that program actually sets bios values, or controls the charger firmware (which would be patent violation)...
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• 456[02:22:29] <DeaDSouL> awal1: my hp is very old (core i7 2nd generation) .. I'm using it as a server, but I don't want to damage the battery (bought it 2 days ago)
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• 462[02:25:34] <awal1> c-c, I really have no clue how my dell achieves that since I have nothing related with power/battery in uefi and bios settings
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• 464[02:26:47] <awal1> DeaDSoul, generally battery life start decreasing after a few months/1 year
• 465[02:26:50] <c-c> starstuff: so, your monitor doesn't support that, x detects and reverts? perhaps
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• 470[02:27:41] <awal1> when I bought my dell , the battery lasts around 8 hours, after 3 months it lasts like 3 hours , even with that feature (stop charging when battery is full)
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• 472[02:27:42] <starstuff> c-c: No, my monitor supports it. It's a BenQ monitor and I know it works at 144Hz because I can use the monitor's built-in menu system to confirm that it is indeed set at 144Hz. But, like I said, after rebooting, it reverts back to 60Hz.
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• 477[02:29:01] <DeaDSouL> awal1: the only company I've ever seen that they take care of the quality of the parts they assemble is apple
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• 481[02:30:12] <c-c> starstuff: the file reverts, too?
• 482[02:30:16] <DeaDSouL> awal1: bought my mackbookair in the mid-2013 ... it used to last at least 13hours.. and after two years, it lasts 6-9 hours, based upon the load
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• 484[02:30:42] <starstuff> c-c: No, the file remains the same!
• 485[02:30:51] <wewlad> Seems like I just finished compiling a program (wine), how to know where it compiled to?
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• 487[02:31:02] <wewlad> I mean which file exactly
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• 490[02:31:59] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: if you ran make install, wherever that script wanted to put it. look at replaced-url
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• 492[02:32:14] <wewlad> TomTomTo1: no, it was just 'make'
• 493[02:32:16] <awal1> DeaDSoul, instead of paying $2000 for a mac machine, I prefer to spend that money traveling to Cuba and be their 6 months :P
• 494[02:32:24] <pingfloyd> wewlad: look in the build directory for the binaries
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• 497[02:32:56] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: make does not install usually. look into the build instructions and replace make install with checkinstall.
• 498[02:33:26] <wewlad> pingfloyd: there are multiple ones, like /loader/wine64, /loader/wine64-installed, /loader/wine64-preloader
• 499[02:34:16] <wewlad> TomTomTo1: afaik I haven't compiled a package, I just built binaries
• 500[02:34:21] <pingfloyd> wewlad: I don't know the specifics for wine, but usually after make you should end up with some binary executables
• 501[02:34:40] <DeaDSouL> awal1: indeed :D
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• 505[02:37:19] <DeaDSouL> replaced-url
• 506[02:37:29] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: no, checkinstall is what does the package building for you. the order is configure -> make -> checkinstall
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• 508[02:37:59] <pingfloyd> TomTomTo1: assuming he wants to install it system-wide
• 509[02:38:11] <wewlad> TomTomTo1: but it supposes I need to run 'make install' first, isn't it?
• 510[02:38:18] <pingfloyd> TomTomTo1: usually you can run from a source/build tree after make
• 511[02:38:22] <wewlad> I just want to test a patch
• 512[02:38:23] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: no, read the wiki page.
• 513[02:38:35] <TomTomTo1> pingfloyd: i'm aware, thanks.
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• 516[02:39:00] <wewlad> TomTomTo1: wiki says: "CheckInstall is really useful if you've got a tarball with software that you have to compile with the usual: ./configure > make > make install …"
• 517[02:39:30] <wewlad> zsh: command not found: checkinstall
• 518[02:39:35] <TomTomTo1> wewlad: if installing is not what you want then look into the bin folder.
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• 520[02:39:47] <wewlad> there's no 'bin' folder
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• 522[02:39:55] <TomTomTo1> or something in the directory of the tarball.
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• 524[02:41:23] <pingfloyd> wewlad: there's no binary executables within (possibly within a subdir) the tree you built it in?
• 525[02:41:36] <wewlad> pingfloyd: there are multiple ones, like /loader/wine64, /loader/wine64-installed, /loader/wine64-preloader
• 526[02:41:52] <wewlad> as well as other
• 527[02:41:57] <wewlad> in other dirs
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• 529[02:42:26] <missmbob> wewlad: what do you usually do when you get command not found?
• 530[02:42:42] <wewlad> apt-get install it
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• 532[02:42:59] <starstuff> aptitude search <something>
• 533[02:43:06] <starstuff> google <something>
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• 536[02:44:31] <wewlad> 'tree ~/wine-dirs/wine-source/ | grep wine | pastebinit' replaced-url
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• 539[02:45:56] <wewlad> replaced-url
• 540[02:47:20] <TomTomTo1> ,i checkinstall
• 541[02:47:22] <judd> Package checkinstall (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: installation tracker. Version: 1.6.2-4; Size: 130.7k; Installed: 512k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 542[02:47:48] <missmbob> i thought i could teach to fish. didn't work out.
• 543[02:48:06] <wewlad> cp: failed to extend '/usr/local/lib64/wine/_inst.24171_': No space left on device Makefile:7759: recipe for target 'dlls/dxguid/install' failed make: *** [dlls/dxguid/install] Error 1 **** Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
• 544[02:48:11] <wewlad> oh, crap
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• 549[02:49:38] <pingfloyd> wewlad: when you compiled wine, did you build it within the source directory or in a separate build directory?
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• 551[02:50:04] <wewlad> I guess within. It didn't ask for path and I was cd'ed to the wine-sources
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• 557[02:56:44] <wewlad> pingfloyd: was it a wrong place to be in when compiling?
• 558[02:58:06] <pingfloyd> no
• 559[02:58:41] <pingfloyd> separate build directory is optional
• 560[02:58:55] <pingfloyd> you sure make completed without any errors?
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• 564[02:59:44] <DC3__> Man I am growing concerned here. Is Debian planning on going the AMDGPU route?
• 565[02:59:46] <wewlad> no, it's lunix, I'm not sure about anything here :(
• 566[02:59:54] <wewlad> should I re-make?
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• 568[02:59:58] <jak2000> hi all
• 569[03:00:01] <missmbob> DC3__: yes
• 570[03:00:01] <pingfloyd> wewlad: sure
• 571[03:00:02] <jser> Zhaofeng Li
• 572[03:00:04] <jak2000> i am installed a clean server
• 573[03:00:11] <DC3__> alright
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• 575[03:00:22] <jak2000> debian jessie, when try connect via putty i get this message: connection refussed
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• 577[03:00:30] <DC3__> Looks like I'll be foreced back into windows
• 578[03:00:31] <pingfloyd> wewlad: see if you get any errors
• 579[03:00:39] <wewlad> pingfloyd: it finished kind of too fast
• 580[03:00:39] <jak2000> i try: ufw allow 22/tcp but not exist ufw
• 581[03:00:42] <DC3__> 20 years gents....20 years.
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• 584[03:00:54] <pingfloyd> wewlad: as it should since you haven't ran make clean yet
• 585[03:00:57] <jak2000> i try apt install ufw, but not installed anything
• 586[03:01:01] <pingfloyd> wewlad: it should pick up where it left off
• 587[03:01:09] <win32user> Hi i just installed debian and it only has command line how do i get to the gui :( i tried startx
• 588[03:01:17] <wewlad> pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 589[03:01:18] <pingfloyd> wewlad: maybe you should pastebin the make out
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• 591[03:01:33] <DC3__> @win32user just reinstall windows if you have an older AMD GPU
• 592[03:01:40] <DC3__> But if you want a desktop use tasksel
• 593[03:01:44] <DC3__> and pick a desktop
• 594[03:01:45] <win32user> i installed it on virtualbox
• 595[03:01:51] <wewlad> pingfloyd: pastebinit fails, probably too much text
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• 598[03:02:06] <DC3__> just run tasksel and you should be able to choose whichever toy you want to try
• 599[03:02:09] <DC3__> it's easy
• 600[03:02:19] <wewlad> win32user: why not install it with gui?
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• 604[03:02:27] <win32user> i thought i did :s
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• 606[03:02:35] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: the ssh server is running? systemctl status ssh.service
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• 609[03:02:54] <DC3__> Whens the AMDGPU update for Debian? I need to make a plan to be off linux I guess.
• 610[03:03:10] <pingfloyd> wewlad: there's no executable named 'wine' in wine-source or within a subdir in it?
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• 613[03:03:33] <missmbob> DC3__: it's in stretch. spring next year
• 614[03:03:39] <wewlad> pingfloyd: 'tree ~/wine-dirs/wine-source/ | grep wine | pastebinit' replaced-url
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• 616[03:03:44] <DC3__> if you are going to run wine then go ahead and install wine-development. You will be happy you did
• 617[03:03:47] <win32user> DC3__ i typed tasksel
• 618[03:04:08] <pingfloyd> win32user: that output doesn't help
• 619[03:04:19] <DC3__> missmbob: whats's the plan for all of us running legacy AMD/ATI GPUs then?
• 620[03:04:20] <pingfloyd> wewlad: ^
• 621[03:04:42] <win32user> it says you can choose to install one or more of the following...
• 622[03:04:46] <missmbob> DC3__: i don't know. i only use intel
• 623[03:04:51] <DC3__> hmm
• 624[03:04:54] <win32user> i made debian with a * than clicked ok
• 625[03:04:58] <win32user> than it just went back to bash
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• 627[03:05:10] <DC3__> I run a trading company. Everything is debian. All the GPUs are AMD
• 628[03:05:17] <DC3__> I doubt I will be installing Windows 10
• 629[03:05:19] <jak2000> ssh.service Loades: not-found no such file or directoyr
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• 631[03:05:23] <jak2000> *directory
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• 634[03:05:36] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: then install openssh-server
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• 636[03:06:01] <jak2000> apt install openssh-server not found the package
• 637[03:06:03] <jak2000> how to?
• 638[03:06:05] <DC3__> Is the nVidia support gonna be toast too ?
• 639[03:06:28] <missmbob> i don't know why you think it's a nightmare scenario to have amdgpu
• 640[03:06:40] <DC3__> It's not a night mare
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• 643[03:06:57] <DC3__> I'd be glad to run it if someone wants to pay for the 50 GPUs we are already using
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• 645[03:07:21] <DC3__> Barely 2 years old and AMDGPU-Pro not supported
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• 647[03:07:24] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: check for typo first. then apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net please.
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• 650[03:08:08] <DC3__> is there an Xvfb console only windows session without Xorg?
• 651[03:08:08] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: i'm assuming that server has direct internet access.
• 652[03:08:10] <wewlad> everything is broken, nothing works sanely
• 653[03:08:32] <jak2000> yes i can ping to google
• 654[03:08:41] <DC3__> If I could do something on the console like Awesome that would be...well Awesome
• 655[03:08:45] <win32user> can anyone help me get to the desktop
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• 658[03:09:06] <missmbob> DC3__: not happening
• 659[03:09:15] <jak2000> how to send to pastebin? from my server?
• 660[03:09:37] <missmbob> !tell jak2000 about pastebininit
• 661[03:09:41] <DC3__> win32user run tasksel. use your little arrows keys to go down and select Gnome or whatever you want to run. Press the spacebar. Press the enter key. Enter your password if you need to. Wait. Reboot. ?????? PROFIT
• 662[03:09:46] <missmbob> !tell jak2000 about pastebini
• 663[03:09:47] <missmbob> !tell jak2000 about pastebinit
• 664[03:09:48] <missmbob> damnit
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• 666[03:10:07] <win32user> there is no other options available except debian which is already selected
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• 668[03:10:14] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: if installing doesn't work a screenshot uploaded to imgur.com for example would help.
• 669[03:10:21] <wewlad> win32user: wrong iso?
• 670[03:10:24] <DC3__> debian is not a desktop
• 671[03:10:26] <DC3__> lol
• 672[03:10:52] <win32user> debian desktop environment will like a word with you DC3__..
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• 675[03:11:01] <win32user> i got this one
• 676[03:11:14] <DC3__> that's the top one....then there are sub selections below that...right?
• 677[03:11:16] <DC3__> KDE
• 678[03:11:17] <DC3__> Gnome
• 679[03:11:19] <DC3__> Cinammon
• 680[03:11:20] <DC3__> etc
• 681[03:11:32] <missmbob> top one defaults to gnome. that's all.
• 682[03:11:34] <win32user> debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1
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• 684[03:11:47] <DC3__> oh
• 685[03:11:51] <DC3__> are you using a livecd?
• 686[03:11:51] <jak2000> missmbob apt install pastebinit
• 687[03:11:54] <jak2000> ackage not found
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• 689[03:12:06] <win32user> no i am installing it on virtual box
• 690[03:12:09] <win32user> this is after the instal
• 691[03:12:18] <missmbob> ,v pastebinit
• 692[03:12:20] <judd> Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; sid: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1
• 693[03:12:24] <missmbob> jak2000: there ^
• 694[03:12:26] <DC3__> did you reboot after the install and remove the media from the virtual drive?
• 695[03:12:31] <win32user> Yes
• 696[03:12:42] <TomTomTo1> !tell jak2000 about jessie sources.list
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• 698[03:13:04] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: check if your sources match what the bot says.
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• 700[03:13:19] <jak2000> yes match
• 701[03:13:23] <jak2000> but checking again
• 702[03:13:26] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: assuming that you run debian jessie.
• 703[03:13:59] <win32user> did i get the wrong cd
• 704[03:14:03] <win32user> iso*
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• 706[03:14:12] <jak2000> yes i am run debian jessie
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• 708[03:14:14] <win32user> because i just done a fresh install again in virtualbox
• 709[03:14:23] <win32user> and its doing same thing its in bash
• 710[03:14:28] <DC3__> missmbob: I have a link here with a response from AMD regarding AMDGPU support and GCN adapters if you want to sticky it somewheres for other people
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• 712[03:14:50] <win32user> no gui, when i do tasksel it just comes up with Desktop Debian environment which is already selected
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• 715[03:15:05] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: does apt update fetch all sources without error?
• 716[03:15:14] <jak2000> wait
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• 722[03:17:16] <TomTomTo1> missmbob: it would be neat for bat situations if pastebinit came if the standard tools :/
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• 725[03:17:59] <missmbob> TomTomTo1: yeah, it's a bitch
• 726[03:19:16] <jak2000> TomTomTo1, the lines on sources lists are bad...
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• 728[03:19:21] <DC3__> so with the amdgpu update coming in the spring of 17 would it be safe to say that the latest drivers would be included or would it be this initial beta that would be included?
• 729[03:19:25] <jak2000> fixed and try again
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• 735[03:23:18] <win32user> i give up :(
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• 737[03:23:54] <jak2000> TomTomTo1 donde
• 738[03:23:59] <jak2000> how to update the system?
• 739[03:24:29] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: apt update
• 740[03:24:31] <DC3__> alright i gotta get off the windows terminal. back later
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• 744[03:25:36] <TomTomTo1> jak2000: apt update loads package lists from the repos in your sources.list. afterwards you can install openssh-server
• 745[03:25:53] <jak2000> wich package need isntall for use: 'make' command
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• 749[03:26:02] <TomTomTo1> buildutils
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• 753[03:26:45] <jak2000> apt-get install build-essential
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• 755[03:27:00] <jak2000> other thing
• 756[03:27:01] <TomTomTo1> right, that.
• 757[03:27:09] <jak2000> how to disable hibernate?
• 758[03:27:20] <missmbob> i thought we were just getting ssh working
• 759[03:27:23] <TomTomTo1> build-essential was the correct one. my bad.
• 760[03:27:44] <jak2000> TomTomTo1 thanks
• 761[03:27:54] <jak2000> how to disable hibernate the system or sleep
• 762[03:28:28] <c-c> jak2000: can you uninstall the commands?
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• 766[03:28:36] <jak2000> install
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• 768[03:28:37] <jak2000> all
• 769[03:28:38] <jak2000> :)
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• 773[03:29:36] <missmbob> jak2000: good helps. replaced-url
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• 779[03:30:47] <TomTomTo1> not sure why you would need that on a headless server.
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• 785[03:31:13] <missmbob> i'm still scratching my head about make to install ssh
• 786[03:31:26] <jak2000> is for other purpose MissionCritical
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• 788[03:31:30] <jak2000> missmbob
• 789[03:31:39] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 790[03:32:01] <TomTomTo1> the nick switch was futile :P
• 791[03:32:15] <missmbob> TomTomTo1: i tried :P
• 792[03:32:51] <jak2000> thanks friends
• 793[03:32:53] <jak2000> much thanks
• 794[03:33:02] <jak2000> i am disconnect now
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• 802[03:39:18] <DeaDSouL> guys, i searched for ffmpeg, but didn't find it in debian jessie's repo ?
• 803[03:39:27] <TomTomTo1> ,v ffmpeg
• 804[03:39:28] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.1.2-1; stretch: 7:3.1.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.2-dmo2
• 805[03:39:31] <missmbob> backports
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• 810[03:40:39] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTo1: do you recommend to backport it? or adding the deb-multimedia repo?
• 811[03:40:48] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: neither. replaced-url
• 812[03:40:55] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: it's in jessie-backports. read that ^
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• 815[03:41:45] <cra1g321> i wouldnt use the deb-multimedia repo
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• 817[03:41:52] <missmbob> nor should you
• 818[03:41:58] <cra1g321> it's never been recommended by any experienced debian user
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• 820[03:42:16] <cra1g321> i would use the jessie-backports package
• 821[03:42:30] <missmbob> now it's 3-0. i guess jessie-backports it is
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• 823[03:42:41] <TomTomTo1> DeaDSouL: it's also possible to use avconv that comes with jessie.
• 824[03:42:53] <missmbob> and then be very upset with yourself
• 825[03:43:28] <TomTomTo1> is that so? :D
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• 832[03:46:59] <DeaDSouL> I'm confused guys... when I `aptitude search ffmpeg` couldn't find it... then i add the jessie-backport repo... now I find it and can install it with `aptitude install ffmpeg` without specifying the '-t jessie-backports' ... can you explain to me what I'm missing
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• 836[03:48:07] <missmbob> DeaDSouL: reading the instructions i sent you
• 837[03:48:22] <missmbob> why do you think you can do it without -t jessie-backports?
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• 839[03:49:09] <missmbob> instructions say use it...so i'd probably think using it would be wise
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• 843[03:49:52] <dvs> ,v ffmpeg
• 844[03:49:53] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.1.2-1; stretch: 7:3.1.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.2-dmo2
• 845[03:49:57] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: according to that page, it says: "All backports are deactivated by default" ... then how come I can install 'ffmpeg' without specifying the the backports repo?
• 846[03:50:07] <missmbob> thus -t jessie-backports
• 847[03:50:12] <missmbob> why must you do it without??
• 848[03:50:14] <missmbob> wtf
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• 853[03:50:48] <TomTomTo1> it DeaDSouL it's not deactivated, it's pinned lower. it will still install it if it's unambiguous.
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• 858[03:52:25] <TomTomTo1> one of those rare cases...
• 859[03:52:27] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTo1: oh,.. ok thanks bro
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• 861[03:53:32] <DeaDSouL> TomTomTo1: how can I deactivate all packages from jessie-backports by default, unless i use the '-t' in the install cmd?
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• 865[03:54:41] <TomTomTo1> DeaDSouL: no idea and i don't see the point.
• 866[03:54:49] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: take it easy bro, but it looks like you didn't understand me... aw, i know that if i want to install it from the backports i should add the '-t jessie-backports' .... I'm just asking how come before adding the backports repo it wasn't there, and after adding the repo it is installable without specifying the '-t option' ??
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• 869[03:55:05] <DeaDSouL> missmbob: btw, TomTomTo1 answered my question
• 870[03:56:03] <TomTomTo1> no need to make a fuss.
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• 872[03:58:13] <dvs> DeaDSouL, What is the version number of ffmpeg?
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• 882[04:01:48] <DeaDSouL> dvs: Version: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1 ...... without the backports: replaced-url
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• 920[04:17:55] <riv> hi all, just doing a fresh debian 8.5 install and upon running sysctl -p to add some things i get in my syslog "[ 218.238246] sysctl: The scan_unevictable_pages sysctl/node-interface has been disabled for lack of a legitimate use case. If you have one, please send an email to linux-mm@kvack.org.
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• 922[04:18:50] <riv> is it expected that a new debian stable install would throw a claim that there is no legitimate use case for "sysctl -p" ? seems a bit messed up.
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• 930[04:22:42] <TomTomTo1> but it doesn't say that. it's what you added to /etc/sysctl.conf that it complains about.
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• 934[04:23:33] <Rebelnet> hi
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• 936[04:23:55] <xormor> Rebelnet, hi
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• 939[04:24:11] <Rebelnet> whats up
• 940[04:24:22] <xormor> Rebelnet, nothing much
• 941[04:24:27] <jeezy> not much
• 942[04:24:40] <Rebelnet> to install ubuntu or debian that is the question in my head
• 943[04:24:57] <jeezy> i would vote debain
• 944[04:25:01] <jeezy> debian*
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• 946[04:25:22] <sypher> I would say whatever works best for your use case.
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• 948[04:25:36] <missmbob> Rebelnet: asking something, getting your answer, then coming back several hours later and asking again..is kind of annoying :P
• 949[04:25:58] <jeezy> oh i did not know they were here already
• 950[04:26:25] <Rebelnet> well, its a bit harder, i'm using a chromebook
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• 953[04:26:57] <Rebelnet> if i had a normal bios running laptop, i can install either or
• 954[04:27:00] <missmbob> it's not any harder than it was last time. but if others want to waste their time, okay
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• 957[04:27:49] <riv> TomTomTo1: i see, let me explore that !
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• 960[04:29:15] <hades|2> i have a error with checkinstall anyone could help me ?
• 961[04:29:35] <TomTomTo1> hades|2: command and error to paste.debian.net please.
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• 964[04:32:02] <hades|2> replaced-url
• 965[04:32:16] <hades|2> im using a fresh minibian
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• 967[04:33:11] <th0r> hades|2, this might help....replaced-url
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• 971[04:34:34] <missmbob> did you actually finish a make without errors before checkinstall?
• 972[04:34:45] <missmbob> that's not shown if you did
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• 974[04:35:11] <hades|2> make was successfull
• 975[04:35:21] <riv> TomTomTo1: i disabled ipv6 in the sysctl.conf, curiously running each one using sysctl key=value doesnt' throw any errors, but adding them to sysctl.conf and running a sysctl -p throws the "no legitiamte use case" error . interesting.
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• 978[04:35:44] <TomTomTo1> yey, i guess ^^
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• 983[04:37:55] <hades|2> i made it with your link th0r thx :)
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• 999[04:42:13] <Rebelnet> crossystem dev_boot_usb=1 dev_boot_signed_only=0
• 1000[04:42:23] <Rebelnet> can someone tel me what that does exactly?
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• 1019[04:49:58] <TomTomTo1> Rebelnet: as you probably need to run this in chromeos you probably want to find a channel that is related to that.
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• 1022[04:50:52] <Rebelnet> I just found the shortcut key to load the usb flash drive
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• 1037[04:57:38] <Rebelnet> okay, looks like i want to go to starbucks and try this install
• 1038[04:57:43] <Rebelnet> bye
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• 1041[04:59:21] <TomTomTo1> !chromeos
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• 1043[04:59:33] <TomTomTo1> we weren't even prepared!
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• 1045[04:59:56] <Hello71> /msg alis list *chrom*
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• 1060[05:10:37] <riv> TomTomTo1: found the offender.
• 1061[05:10:39] <riv> sysctl -a --deprecated | grep ipv6.conf.eth0.disable
• 1062[05:10:42] <riv> net.ipv6.conf.eth0.disable_ipv6 = 1
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• 1064[05:11:48] <riv> net.ipv6.conf.eth0.disable_ipv6 aswell as net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 are both deprecated .. now to work out what the replacement is ..
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• 1067[05:13:37] <sypher> riv: Pretty sure the replacement is leaving ipv6 enabled.
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• 1069[05:14:28] <TomTomTo1> the wiki still includes those. /someone/ should change that maybe :>
• 1070[05:14:34] <th0r> riv, I have this note....echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf
• 1071[05:14:55] <sypher> Or you COULD stop uselessly disabling it... Just throwing that out there.
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• 1095[05:26:15] <pingfloyd> riv: you're trying to disable ipv6?
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• 1106[05:30:52] <SagelessFox1> dpkg irclog
• 1107[05:30:52] <dpkg> from memory, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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• 1110[05:31:20] <SagelessFox1> dpkg install jessie
• 1111[05:31:20] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
• 1112[05:31:28] <TomTomTo1> riv: ll /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/ is what's left.
• 1113[05:31:41] <TomTomTo1> SagelessFox1: /msg <bot> <factoid>
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• 1116[05:32:34] <TomTomTo1> riv: seems to be still there. not sure what that error is about.
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• 1120[05:34:37] <SagelessFox1> so I must pm the bot ? O.o
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• 1122[05:34:59] <TomTomTo1> SagelessFox1: instead of spamming this channel, yes.
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• 1140[05:43:56] <LinuxNIT> is there any commands i can run in debian to check if a SATA controller will support a 3+TB drive? I cant seem to find documentation on the motherboard that says.
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• 1145[05:47:07] <stoned> it's not the controller, but the motherboard itself
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• 1149[05:48:04] <stoned> LinuxNIT: EFI boards can support more than 2tb boot drives, BIOS boards can't. However they should all support 2TB+ drives otherwise
• 1150[05:49:00] <LinuxNIT> thanks stoned I dont need it for boot just storage
• 1151[05:49:42] <LinuxNIT> stoned So even older motherboards that dont have efi should be able to use 2TB+ for storage?
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• 1156[05:51:52] <LinuxNIT> re-reading, I suppose you already answered that. Ill buy the drives and give it a shot. Thanks.
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• 1161[05:53:43] <k_sze[work]> With systemd, if I define an instantiated service unit, is there a nice way to control all instances at once?
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• 1164[05:55:34] <k_sze[work]> Looks like something like `systemctl status 'postgresql@*' is valid.
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• 1166[05:56:03] <stoned> LinuxNIT: yes. Confirm with ##hardware
• 1167[05:56:11] <stoned> I'm using a BIOS board right now
• 1168[05:56:16] <stoned> 8 year old system
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• 1170[05:56:44] <stoned> zpool/media 46.9G 2.59T 46.9G /home/stoned/media
• 1171[05:56:52] <stoned> I got a 2x 3TB as pure storage
• 1172[05:57:01] <stoned> I boot off a 128gb ssd
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• 1189[06:06:50] <Rebelnet> so i downloaded Debian arm64 via chrome os. I just wiped my usb flash drive. how do i find the directory that the iso is in, so i can dd command it unto the usb flash drive
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• 1191[06:07:11] <LinuxNIT> thanks stoned. I asked in ##hardware as well. no response
• 1192[06:07:40] <erm3nda> Rebelnet, find / -name *.iso
• 1193[06:07:57] <missmbob> Rebelnet: it should be /home/chronos/user/Downloads/
• 1194[06:07:57] <erm3nda> find where -filter name
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• 1196[06:08:38] <erm3nda> missmbob, should u help a user running chrome os? XDDDDDDDDDDDDdd
• 1197[06:08:51] <erm3nda> i was blamed to ask here using Mint ...
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• 1203[06:10:35] <missmbob> must've been TomTomTo1's fault
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• 1207[06:14:19] <pingfloyd> LinuxNIT: replaced-url
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• 1243[06:30:54] <LinuxNIT> thanks pingfloyd ill read up
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• 1246[06:31:59] <pingfloyd> no problem
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• 1274[06:44:19] <n_blownapart> check
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• 1284[06:51:29] <tnks> I have been using a legacy networking solution with guessnet for a very long time.
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• 1287[06:51:52] <tnks> I keep on looking at modern solutions, but haven't found an alternative that does that guessnet does.
• 1288[06:52:39] <tnks> am I missing something? I just want to toggle my DNS if I detect if I'm on a certain network.
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• 1321[07:11:29] <babylonian> replaced-url
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• 1324[07:11:43] <babylonian> "The Criminal Conspiracy to Genocide Whites"
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• 1416[08:01:02] <Rebelnet_> i can't enable usb flash drive boot. I did a CTRL+ALT+F2 on sign in screen. logged onto root. typed in: enable_dev_usb_boot
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• 1420[08:01:09] <Rebelnet_> SUCCESS: Booting any self-signed kernel from SSD/USB/SDCard slot is enabled. Insert bootable media into USB / SDCard slot and press Ctrl-U in developer screen to boot your self-signed image.
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• 1423[08:01:39] <Rebelnet_> CTRL+U in developer mode says boot usb flash drive is not enable
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• 1435[08:06:51] <Rebelnet> damn
• 1436[08:07:01] <Rebelnet> still didn't work
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• 1571[09:14:12] <stopRNM> Hello online users!!!! Want to do some new today???
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• 1584[09:18:48] <stopRNM> How to stop these bastards from Israel who ignore the human rights?? They use REMOTE NEURAL MONITORING against me -every day!
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• 1604[09:31:12] <Drzacek> Hi. I want to compile new kernel, where is the config file located in Debian, so I can just copy it?
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• 1607[09:32:42] <k_sze[work]> On Debian Jessie, where am I supposed to store my custom service unit files?
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• 1609[09:33:00] <babilen> dpkg: tell Drzacek -about kernel handbook
• 1610[09:33:20] <babilen> Drzacek: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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• 1615[09:34:04] <Drzacek> Thanks
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• 1618[09:34:32] <babilen> k_sze[work]: /etc/systemd/system
• 1619[09:34:47] <k_sze[work]> babilen: not something like /usr/lib/systemd/system?
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• 1626[09:35:59] <babilen> k_sze[work]: No, that would be the package manager. You typically don't tinker in /usr/lib
• 1627[09:36:08] <k_sze[work]> In face, where do I find that info? A quick Google for "debian custom service unit file location" doesn't tell much.
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• 1629[09:36:19] <k_sze[work]> s/face/fact/
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• 1631[09:36:30] <babilen> k_sze[work]: You might want to read systemd.unit(5) -- it discusses the various locations
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• 1633[09:37:57] <k_sze[work]> ah, I see.
• 1634[09:37:58] <k_sze[work]> thanks
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• 1692[10:07:37] <k_sze[work]> Can the content of the EnvironmentFile for a systemd unit be templated?
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• 1695[10:08:15] <k_sze[work]> i.e. using %i and %p *inside* the EnvironmentFile (not in the path to the EnvironmentFile)
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• 1786[11:00:31] <princessali> replaced-url
• 1787[11:00:38] <princessali> "Pornography and the Deliberate Manipulation of Human Sexuality"
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• 1797[11:03:30] <g00se1> This doesn't seem right: i've c. 111GB to copy from an ATA HD to a USB 3 (albeit using USB 2 probably) external drive. To speed things up i used cp -a. It's being going over 12 hours now and hasn't even got halfway there. It's an old box (squeeze), but still ...
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• 1810[11:08:28] <Aliekezhi> hi, dpkg-source doesn't exist anymore on debian 8 ?
• 1811[11:08:42] <Aliekezhi> How should I deal with .dsc files then ?
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• 1816[11:09:34] <SynrG> Aliekezhi: it does. it's in dpkg-dev
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• 1818[11:10:04] <Aliekezhi> SynrG, oh, thanks :)
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• 1822[11:11:29] <SynrG> Aliekezhi: and in future, use apt-file search to figure out which package a file is in
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• 1825[11:12:48] <Aliekezhi> SynrG, oh, nice one ! I usually go on packages.debian to search that, but this will be a hughe gain of time thanks :)
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• 1830[11:14:32] <DoctorD90> !tell DoctorD90 installed packages
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• 1842[11:18:49] <c0m0> Hi, can someone help to reset my irc password
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• 1844[11:19:26] <babilen> c0m0: "/msg nickserv help sendpass"
• 1845[11:19:37] <bazhang> ask in #freenode c0m0
• 1846[11:20:06] <angor> babilen: just /nickserv ... will be enough
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• 1854[11:20:43] <babilen> angor: Isn't that client specific?
• 1855[11:21:12] <angor> babilen: nope. server (ircd) supports direct commands (aliases for services)
• 1856[11:21:28] <angor> run /raw nickserv blabla
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• 1858[11:21:42] <babilen> angor: Not sure if it worked on every network I'm on
• 1859[11:21:56] <SynrG> too much typing. /raw ns will do
• 1860[11:21:56] <babilen> Anyway, the former does
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• 1863[11:22:33] <angor> babilen: it works in ByNets too (I'm admin here), and these commands (nickserv, chanserv, operserv) are aliases
• 1864[11:22:54] <babilen> Okay, I shall refrain from every using /msg again
• 1865[11:22:57] <babilen> *ever
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• 1867[11:23:26] <angor> many clients will "echo" command from /msg prefix
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• 1870[11:24:14] <angor> I'm still using mIRC 6.2 :D
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• 1882[11:26:03] <momba_> hello everyone,
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• 1884[11:26:31] <momba_> can somebody help me with ssl and my webserver?
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• 1886[11:26:44] <c0m0> /msg nickserv set hidemail on
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• 1896[11:27:45] <SynrG> !anyone
• 1897[11:27:45] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1903[11:28:41] <momba_> does anyone know if it is a good approach to use openssl on a shop-website?
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• 1922[11:35:22] <SynrG> momba_: vs. what alternative?
• 1923[11:35:38] <petn-randall> momba_: If your question is "Should I use TLS encryption on my shop website?", the answer is yes. Doesn't matter which implementation you use, though (there's also gnutls). You should probably use the one that comes by default with the web server.
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• 1925[11:36:25] <g00se1> This doesn't seem right: i've c. 111GB to copy from an ATA HD to a USB 3 (albeit using USB 2 probably) external drive. To speed things up i used cp -a. It's being going over 12 hours now and hasn't even got halfway there. It's an old box (squeeze), but still ...
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• 1929[11:37:08] <petn-randall> g00se1: Run 'atop' to see where the bottleneck is. But I'm guessing it's USB 2.
• 1930[11:37:36] <momba_> petn-randall: thank you! will the site have a green/grey lock in the browser, e.g. firefox?
• 1931[11:37:52] <g00se1> Thanks - i'll give it a try
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• 1938[11:42:05] <la_mettrie> since i updated to the latest stable version of debian around a year ago, there has been problems with special letters such as é, è, ê, ñ, ü. sometimes they do appear when typed and sometimes not. does anybody happen to know about this issue?
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• 1945[11:46:09] <g00se1> petn-randall: i wonder if it might be anything to do with having started the job on ssh with nohup?
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• 1960[11:49:54] <dcpc007> hello, is there a doc/tuto not too long on usual config/tools/method that changes for a server admin with debian8 and (mainly) systemd
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• 1963[11:50:08] <dcpc007> i take the admin debian book, but really a big book
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• 1971[12:00:58] <CQ> hello, I'm trying to install the latest inkscape... I have jessie-backports in my sources.list, but it's still grabbing the old version... any ideas?
• 1972[12:01:17] <CQ> replaced-url
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• 1974[12:02:17] <CQ> replaced-url
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• 1982[12:05:31] <petn-randall> momba_: You still need a signed certificate, though.
• 1983[12:05:50] <petn-randall> g00se1: Why?
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• 1992[12:09:01] <panta> hello, is there a way to see if a package was installed with apt (apt-get install foo) from a repository or via a downloaded .deb-file (dpkg -i foo.deb)?
• 1993[12:09:16] <g00se1> Clutching at straws ;) Can't imagine why it's taking so long. USB2 is not _that_ slow
• 1994[12:09:30] <petn-randall> g00se1: A faulty disk is, though.
• 1995[12:09:32] <reactormonk> I'm trying to debug a postinst script - is there a way to get dpkg to be a bit more talkative?
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• 2000[12:10:57] <elvirolo> hi everyone :)
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• 2003[12:11:27] <g00se1> atop is showing that 12360K was written in the last 10 seconds
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• 2006[12:14:00] <petn-randall> g00se1: Is anything in the red?
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• 2008[12:14:51] <g00se1> Oh yes. Target disk constantly
• 2009[12:15:27] <g00se1> (100% busy)
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• 2012[12:16:03] <saturos> guys, I haven't been using linux for years. I want to install it via USB on my laptop, should I download the DVD images or is there a single image that I can download?
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• 2016[12:16:48] <petn-randall> g00se1: That's your bottleneck then.
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• 2018[12:17:24] <petn-randall> saturos: You only need the netinstaller, and a working internet connection during installation.
• 2019[12:17:26] <g00se1> Hmm. Brand new Seagate external drive
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• 2021[12:17:46] <petn-randall> g00se1: Lots of random I/O?
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• 2024[12:18:04] <saturos> petn-randall: okay. will do that. Thanks!
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• 2026[12:18:35] <petn-randall> saturos: You're welcome! If you have only a wifi connection, I recommend using the firmware installer, though.
• 2027[12:18:38] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
• 2028[12:18:38] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
• 2029[12:18:44] <g00se1> You mean elsewhere in the system?
• 2030[12:19:02] <SynrG> g00se1: 'random' vs. 'sequential'
• 2031[12:19:10] <SynrG> random seeks are a worst case for latency
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• 2034[12:19:25] <petn-randall> saturos: The firmware needed for some wifi adapters is not included on the standard installer, since it is non-free software.
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• 2036[12:19:49] <SynrG> g00se1: you get sequential when reading adjacent blocks on a system (as in the case of large, contiguous files)
• 2037[12:19:49] <jak2000> hi all
• 2038[12:19:50] <g00se1> Ah i see.
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• 2040[12:19:59] <SynrG> g00se1: otherwise, with a lot of small files, you get random seeks
• 2041[12:20:15] <saturos> petn-randall: thank you very much!!! I can have both conenctions wifi or ethernet.
• 2042[12:20:19] <g00se1> Maybe i should have cloned the disk blockwise
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• 2044[12:20:48] <SynrG> that performs better, yes, but you have no control over the size of the target. of course, you could fix that up afterwards.
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• 2047[12:20:55] <jak2000> the server date is: Tue Aug 23 06:19:00 EDT 2016, and mine: 2016/08/23 04:19:00 how to setupe the date/time of the server? thanks
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• 2049[12:21:05] <g00se1> Ethernet is better or you could get non-free firmware issues
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• 2052[12:21:28] <oish> jak2000: install ntpd ?
• 2053[12:21:51] <g00se1> Clonezilla might have possibly solved that issue (?)
• 2054[12:21:57] <petn-randall> jak2000: Is it on the correct timezone? You can change that via 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'.
• 2055[12:22:14] <SynrG> g00se1: the slower spin the drive, the worse the average seek time, too
• 2056[12:22:35] <jak2000> oish not
• 2057[12:23:05] <g00se1> Back-of-envelope gives me 30 hours for this 111G copy :(
• 2058[12:23:23] <jak2000> petn-randall: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata <----- Done!!!
• 2059[12:23:34] <SynrG> g00se1: fun times. go enjoy the outside. take a long walk/hike/canoe ;)
• 2060[12:23:42] <g00se1> :)
• 2061[12:23:59] <jak2000> petn-randall when i restart the server not need retype: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ?
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• 2073[12:28:01] <ChrisH> jak2000: the Timezone gets configured once and is then been read while booting.
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• 2075[12:28:51] <DoctorD90> good monring...im testing different method to save installed packages. using dpkg --get-selections and aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' i get different packages ....why? 0o
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• 2077[12:29:27] <themill> DoctorD90: because the searches are two different things?
• 2078[12:29:40] <DoctorD90> what do you mean?
• 2079[12:30:08] <themill> have a look at that search pattern
• 2080[12:30:16] <DoctorD90> they are listed both in "cloning installed packages" methods :P just different way to do it...but it gives different output
• 2081[12:30:46] <jak2000> Thanks ChrisH
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• 2083[12:30:54] <jak2000> Thanks petn-randall
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• 2086[12:32:45] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: You do have to understand the things you're actually doing. If you cargo-cult, you'll have a really hard time debugging things when something breaks.
• 2087[12:32:57] <themill> DoctorD90: ~i is installed; ~M is automatically installed; ~v is virtual packages
• 2088[12:33:20] <DoctorD90> cargo-cult?? ...what is it?
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• 2092[12:34:05] <DoctorD90> themill, but if i get out that output what does it remain??
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• 2095[12:34:52] <themill> ?
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• 2098[12:35:32] <DoctorD90> i disable that columns...so what does remain?
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• 2100[12:36:08] <DoctorD90> i disable cloumns installed, automatically installed and virtual packages....or that command disable ALL, and -F prints only that 3 columns?
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• 2102[12:36:17] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: replaced-url
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• 2105[12:36:33] <DoctorD90> thx petn-randall ;) i go!
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• 2107[12:37:35] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: 'dpkg --get-selections' will show _ALL_ installed packages, the other command will only show manually installed packages, leaving out the automatically installed dependencies and virtual packages.
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• 2109[12:38:20] <DoctorD90> petn-randall, lol understood ;) and yea, im doing this. Im running command dpkgbot gives me to understand output :) and their functions
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• 2111[12:39:25] <themill> also, dpkg --get-selections will show packages in states other than "install"
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• 2115[12:42:37] <DoctorD90> themill, petn-randall dpkg--get.. with a grep install | grep -v deinstall isnt better?
• 2116[12:43:17] <DoctorD90> btw belong to me this "little" difference would be better to be added in dpkg command list...
• 2117[12:43:43] <DoctorD90> under 'aptitude clone' and 'debian clone'
• 2118[12:43:50] <DoctorD90> !tell aptitude clone
• 2119[12:43:58] <DoctorD90> dho...
• 2120[12:44:06] <DoctorD90> !tell #debian aptitude clone
• 2121[12:44:47] <DoctorD90> even because they seems (to me at least) to accomplish the same task
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• 2128[12:48:50] <themill> DoctorD90: the factoids are already as long as they can be. Any more information is in the man pages
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• 2130[12:48:58] <DoctorD90> so the best to save installed packages, and to restore on a new machine, is apt-clone btw from what I have understod
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• 2132[12:49:20] <themill> (and the difference is mentioned)
• 2133[12:49:24] <DoctorD90> themill, yea, but this little difference, of some word is very clear :)
• 2134[12:50:31] <DoctorD90> themill, i read them both, and it wasnt cleared to me...maybe my fault, but your explaination is much more clear :)
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• 2137[12:53:48] <DeaDSouL> hi, what is 'eth0:avahi' ? and how can I get my 'ALFA ralink' to work ? please see: replaced-url
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• 2144[12:59:33] <DeaDSouL> when I try to bring it up.. it says: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory
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• 2154[13:04:04] <manbehindthemadn> So I am using the IoT debian on a BeagleBone, I have need to use a usb wireless adapter, for some reason it wants to eat the same hardware address as the the on board cape manager. I need to write a udev rule for the wifi stick, but it's been a while and I cannot remember how to discover a good address to point it at :-/
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• 2163[13:07:10] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: I didn't understand what do you want?
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• 2166[13:08:22] <manbehindthemadn> The wifi stick takes the device address of BB's gpio processor, so I need to write a udev rule to assign it to a safe location
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• 2168[13:08:53] <manbehindthemadn> That I can handle, I just can't remember how to collect all the device address information on this distro as im a little rusty
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• 2172[13:10:26] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: lspci, lsusb ?
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• 2174[13:12:01] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: `lsusb | egrep -i 'wireless|wifi'`
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• 2186[13:17:23] <manbehindthemadn> What package supplies lspci?
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• 2192[13:18:46] <manbehindthemadn> was it pciutilities?
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• 2198[13:20:21] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: `aptitude install pciutils`
• 2199[13:20:29] <manbehindthemadn> AH! that's it
• 2200[13:20:30] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: yes
• 2201[13:20:37] <manbehindthemadn> thanks
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• 2203[13:20:49] <DeaDSouL> manbehindthemadn: you're welcome
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• 2213[13:26:48] <DeaDSouL> when I do `ip link set wlan0 up` .. it says: 'RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory' ... how to get the 'usb-ALFA wireless adapter' to work?
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• 2236[13:38:52] <DeaDSouL> anyone guys?
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• 2247[13:42:04] <jelly> DeaDSouL: which debian release, did you install the firmware for that device?
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• 2250[13:42:39] <jelly> DeaDSouL: what dos the lsusb line for it look like
• 2251[13:42:44] <jelly> does*
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• 2263[13:50:09] <DeaDSouL> jelly: sorry, I was away. yes I've installed 'firmware-realtek' and I'm using jessie 8.5. lsusb: 'Bus 004 Device 009: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter'
• 2264[13:50:41] <otyugh> Let say I'm logged in "foo" and I want to execute firefox as "bar". How would I do that ?
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• 2267[13:51:08] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: `su bar` then `firefox`
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• 2269[13:51:23] <otyugh> yeah and even "export DISPLAY=:0" before
• 2270[13:51:40] <otyugh> but well, not working
• 2271[13:51:44] <otyugh> as X wasn't running
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• 2273[13:52:31] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: `su bar` will let you login as 'bar' after entering his/her password, as long as you wasn't login from root.. if you're root, you won't be asked for any passwords
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• 2277[13:53:04] <otyugh> yes DeaDSouL I know, this isn't the issue there
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• 2279[13:53:20] <otyugh> The gui apps just says "Can't open display: :0"
• 2280[13:53:36] <ByteStorm> hello guys
• 2281[13:53:52] <otyugh> althought as bar "$ echo $DISPLAY" gives :0
• 2282[13:53:57] <ByteStorm> has anyone of you done this thing on their mobile: replaced-url
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• 2287[13:54:31] <dstack> WHen ever I click on a exe it won't run on debian
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• 2289[13:54:53] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: try `who` just to identify the DISPLAY ... sometimes it's :0.0
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• 2291[13:55:08] <ByteStorm> dstack: the exe structure isnt meant for ext4 filesystems
• 2292[13:55:09] <DeaDSouL> dstack: exe for windows not linux
• 2293[13:55:22] <DeaDSouL> dstack: unless you're using an emulators like 'WINE'
• 2294[13:55:24] <ByteStorm> or linux systems
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• 2296[13:55:39] <ByteStorm> google WINE dstack
• 2297[13:56:28] <otyugh> DeaDSouL, "BAR pts/9 2016-08-23 13:34 (:0)
• 2298[13:56:28] <otyugh> "
• 2299[13:56:37] <otyugh> Seem right
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• 2302[13:57:02] <otyugh> Maybe there is some additionnal permission needed by Xorg we don't know of ?
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• 2304[13:57:20] <otyugh> Did you tried yourself DeaDSouL ?
• 2305[13:57:24] <dstack> When ever im on the wine website it says wine is not an emulator.
• 2306[13:57:35] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: are you trying to open firefox from ssh? or another tty? like alt+ctrl+f3 ?
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• 2309[13:58:04] <Ben64> dstack: that's true
• 2310[13:58:05] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: yes, 6 or 7 years ago... can't remember exactly the way
• 2311[13:58:06] <otyugh> DeaDSouL, no from local. The purpose latter is ssh retricted access as some user, but it's after :p
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• 2315[13:58:40] <otyugh> No I just say, trying for yourself the "logging as some other user and try to launch a gui app"
• 2316[13:59:17] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: who did you do it exactly?
• 2317[13:59:33] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: you're in gui as 'foo' right ?
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• 2319[13:59:53] <otyugh> ho sorry for the confusion
• 2320[13:59:54] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: in that gui you fired terminal and logged in as 'bar' .. correct?
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• 2323[14:00:11] <otyugh> yes, it was foo in the latter who output, sorry x)
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• 2325[14:00:25] <otyugh> as bar is not able to launch anything
• 2326[14:00:31] <otyugh> gui related, i mean
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• 2332[14:02:00] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: try install tmux, and open a new session while you're 'foo' in the gui. ex: `tmux new -s test`
• 2333[14:02:42] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: then login from another tty as foo, and attach that session. ex: `tmux attach -t test` ... then fire up the firefox
• 2334[14:03:10] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: will it work?
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• 2338[14:04:51] <DeaDSouL> jelly: any ideas>
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• 2340[14:05:44] <otyugh> DeaDSouL, I'm not sure to get what you are trying to do using tmux there :x
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• 2342[14:07:04] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: it will be fired by the terminal on that gui on the exact same DISPLAY... then restore the session, which will fire all x on that DISPLAY... just a test, worth a try ;)
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• 2356[14:15:26] <mrtnt> Am I correct that latest versions of Debian have virtio drivers installed by default?
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• 2363[14:18:08] <donald> I want to encrypt an extern hard disk partition. I met critic bugs with disks and gparted does not supports encryption. can I encrypt a partition of an extern hard disk on linux with ext4 and luks with disks?
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• 2372[14:19:48] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: it works for me: replaced-url
• 2373[14:20:16] <DeaDSouL> donald: yes you can
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• 2375[14:21:15] <otyugh> DeaDSouL, well that's not what I'm trying to do ^^'
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• 2378[14:22:06] <otyugh> if you'd launched an app as deadsoul2 in a xorg environement belonging to deadsoul, it would thought
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• 2380[14:22:41] <donald> DeaDSouL: with the disks utility?
• 2381[14:23:02] <DeaDSouL> donald: yes, that's how I encrypted my wd-elements before
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• 2384[14:23:38] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: deadsoul already logged in X... I ssh, exported his display, then launched a gui-app
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• 2389[14:24:10] <donald> DeaDSouL: I tried on differents Os and get differents errors :/
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• 2391[14:24:24] <otyugh> yes DeaDSouL is already logged in X. That's not what I'm trying to do precisely :p
• 2392[14:24:35] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: what are you trying to do?
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• 2397[14:25:04] <DeaDSouL> donald: I believe I did it on ubuntu 12.04 if I remember
• 2398[14:25:05] <otyugh> launching an app as a user not logged in X already
• 2399[14:25:16] <donald> for example disks exits and a partition with content know as"unknow" is listed as a proprieties of the filessystsem
• 2400[14:25:24] <DeaDSouL> donald: what errors they're complaining about?
• 2401[14:26:48] <themill> otyugh: sounds like you want gksudo
• 2402[14:26:48] <DeaDSouL> otyugh: OH!... you mean you're 'user1' is logged-in X, but you want 'user2' owns a gui-app in user1's X ?
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• 2404[14:27:00] <donald> disk crashes and ubuntu send a log "sorry, ubuntu has met an intern error"
• 2405[14:27:01] <otyugh> gloria DeaDSouL
• 2406[14:27:12] <otyugh> seem the solution is using xhost, I'm trying right now
• 2407[14:27:21] <ByteStorm> DeadSoul can you help me?
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• 2409[14:27:33] <themill> otyugh: no, xhost is about the worst thing you can do
• 2410[14:27:42] <DeaDSouL> ByteStorm: sure bro if i can
• 2411[14:27:56] <donald> DeaDSouL: do I need to install some softwares?
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• 2413[14:28:13] <otyugh> themill, ... Fuuu purist
• 2414[14:28:22] <ByteStorm> i hav a armvf processor phone,can i install armvf debian system in it or armel?
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• 2416[14:29:04] <DeaDSouL> donald: yes, you'll need to have 'cryptsetup' installed
• 2417[14:29:21] <donald> apt-get install cryptsetup ?
• 2418[14:29:23] <DeaDSouL> ByteStorm: I'm sorry I have no idea about armvf
• 2419[14:29:40] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2420[14:29:48] <DeaDSouL> donald: yeah, but first search for it different name maybe
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• 2422[14:30:34] <DeaDSouL> donald: you're in debian?
• 2423[14:30:56] <donald> on ubuntu for the moment but I am going to do it in debian
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• 2427[14:32:06] <donald> DeaDSouL: please can you make a list of everything I need to download?
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• 2441[14:36:28] <DeaDSouL> donald: just that package
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• 2446[14:37:01] <DeaDSouL> donald: then fire up disks-utility and format & encrypt that usb-disk
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• 2456[14:40:35] <otyugh> themill, is using "xhost +local:userX" a potential security issue ?
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• 2464[14:42:07] <DeaDSouL> yesterday I tried ubuntu 16.04.1 .... couldn't stand it... as usual laggy specially after apt upgrade & reboot :p... not everything work as smooth as they should even 'totem' :P it didn't recognise my ati-radeon graphics-card... not even the usb-wireless adapter!! and their software-center didn't show all packages... I had to manually install some none-gui packages. and there was no option to enable the none-gui results in the software-center.. where are yo
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• 2466[14:42:34] <talin> hello. i am currently using jessie on my desktop. it would be fun to try some newer stuff from stretch... how safe is this?
• 2467[14:42:41] <sypher> talin: Not.
• 2468[14:42:42] <DeaDSouL> regonize*
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• 2471[14:43:34] <DeaDSouL> talin: if you want to test it's ok.. but won't be stable and not good for production... try it in virtualbox
• 2472[14:43:56] <talin> aah, okay. i will stay with jessie, then. it wasn't a big deal anyway
• 2473[14:44:16] <DeaDSouL> talin: anything not from stable repository, consider it not stable even if it is for few days ;)
• 2474[14:44:40] <otyugh> talin: it's not supported, most of the time you would be advised against it, or using backport as least damaging but still unsupported. You could, as I, use sometimes stuff compiled from testing, but it's really your security and stability in the balance. Never had issue, but if I had or have in the future, I will know I'm to blame only for the broken pieces or security weakness.
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• 2477[14:47:37] <otyugh> There is distributions really taillored for new software if you need to use the last shiny features, it's archlinux. As a gamer on GNU/Linux I need this to play with the last version without having to fight each time, but debian is way more accurate for "something that work".
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• 2479[14:47:53] <donald> DeaDSouL: I am lost can you recap every step?
• 2480[14:48:12] <DeaDSouL> donald: do you want to encrypt it?
• 2481[14:48:59] <DeaDSouL> donald: just install that package, the open disks app, select you hdd you want to encrypt, format it with encryption... and you're done
• 2482[14:49:44] <talin> otyugh: i see. i am too lazy to learn another distro now, so i guess i'll just use older debian stuff :-)
• 2483[14:50:06] <donald> DeaDSouL: donald: do you want to encrypt it? => yes
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• 2493[14:53:20] <DeaDSouL> donald: here is a good old article to do it from terminal : replaced-url
• 2494[14:53:23] <otyugh> talin : well there is backport then, for newer flavors, maybe it can help if you want some "a bit less old" software on specific stuff. But it's a bit of work too.
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• 2504[14:55:00] <talin> otyugh: i see. i guess it's not that urgent for now, though. thanks for an excellent answer
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• 2506[14:55:05] <donald> error during the creation of teh partition
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• 2508[14:55:21] <donald> error wiping thenewly created partition
• 2509[14:55:26] <donald> /dev/sdb
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• 2511[14:56:10] <DeaDSouL> donald: identify you usb-disk by `lsblk`
• 2512[14:56:14] <donald> commandline 'wommand line 'wipef -a "dev/sdb2"' exit with a non zero status 1: wipef error
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• 2517[14:57:59] <DeaDSouL> donald: just to be safe.. are you sure it's 'sdb' ?
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• 2520[14:58:21] <donald> no
• 2521[14:58:28] <donald> it was sbd2
• 2522[14:58:41] <donald> butnow I formatted the disk
• 2523[14:58:54] <DeaDSouL> donald: take a screenshot of `lsblk`
• 2524[14:58:54] <donald> so now yes itis
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• 2526[15:00:03] <DeaDSouL> donald: and you want to encrypt the whole usb-disk, right ?
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• 2528[15:00:21] <donald> replaced-url
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• 2530[15:00:37] <donald> yes but with differents partitions
• 2531[15:00:48] <DeaDSouL> donald: only `lsblk`
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• 2533[15:01:16] <M-alex_mayorga> ¡Hola! Got replaced-url
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• 2538[15:01:59] <mylord> how do I change my user’s “name”, not username
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• 2543[15:02:14] <donald> replaced-url
• 2544[15:02:25] <donald> DeaDSouL
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• 2546[15:02:53] <linux-fox> modify your name in the /etc/passwd
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• 2548[15:03:14] <DeaDSouL> donald: it's 1tb.. right?
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• 2551[15:03:27] <donald> yes it is
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• 2556[15:04:39] <donald> DeaDSouL
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• 2559[15:06:20] <DeaDSouL> donald: good, try to format it all, then setup your partitions normally, then apply the instructions in that link I gave you, to the partition you want to encrypt
• 2560[15:06:25] <ChrisH> mylord: man chfn
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• 2564[15:07:22] <donald> normally = not encrypted ?
• 2565[15:07:30] <donald> DeadSouL
• 2566[15:08:17] <donald> I get the same error than before when I created the first clear partition
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• 2568[15:08:24] <DeaDSouL> I have a usb-wireless-adapter (alfa)... I'm trying to `ip link set wlan0 up` and it's saying: 'RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory' ... any idea guys?
• 2569[15:08:32] <DeaDSouL> donald: yes bro
• 2570[15:08:59] <DeaDSouL> donald: or do you want to encrypt the whole disk ? you said you need partitions
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• 2572[15:09:23] <DeaDSouL> donald: did you install that package?
• 2573[15:09:27] <Aliekezhi> hum, I'm not very familiar with .dsc files, after using dpkg-buildpackage, I get an error message about a missing debian/changelog, any ideas ?
• 2574[15:09:33] <donald> DeadSouL: I mean my partition has not been created norally
• 2575[15:09:43] <donald> DeadSoul: which package?
• 2576[15:09:49] <DeaDSouL> donald: cryptpackage
• 2577[15:09:58] <DeaDSouL> donald: cryptsetup *
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• 2581[15:10:33] <donald> cryptsetup was already present in my debian
• 2582[15:10:47] <DeaDSouL> donald: are you in debian or ubuntu?
• 2583[15:10:52] <donald> debian now
• 2584[15:11:00] <M-alex_mayorga> My paste looks a lot like replaced-url
• 2585[15:11:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2587[15:11:11] <DeaDSouL> donald: ok, install that package, then open disks utility
• 2588[15:11:24] <donald> after?
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• 2590[15:12:19] <DeaDSouL> donald: format it with encryption
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• 2592[15:12:47] <donald> DeadSouL: I can format and encrypt all the disk?
• 2593[15:13:04] <DeaDSouL> donald: yes, I believe there is an option there
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• 2595[15:13:40] <DeaDSouL> donald: ops,. it's up to you ... whether you want to encrypt it all or just a partition
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• 2597[15:13:47] <donald> DeaDSouL: do you mean I make an encrypted partition for all the disk?
• 2598[15:14:12] <donald> actually not I want to encrypt différents partitions
• 2599[15:14:15] <DeaDSouL> donald: it's up to you based on your needs
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• 2601[15:14:58] <DeaDSouL> donald: do you have teamviewer?
• 2602[15:15:06] <donald> no
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• 2606[15:15:23] <donald> sorry I do not want to use a teamviewer
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• 2610[15:16:14] <DeaDSouL> donald: it's ok, just setup your partitions via disks or gparted... then get back to disks and encrypt the partitions you want
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• 2615[15:17:49] <M-alex_mayorga> How to move a bug from plymouth to initramfs-update per replaced-url
• 2616[15:17:49] <donald> DeadSouL: do you mean I have to make a partition and format this one after to encrypt this one?
• 2617[15:17:51] <M-alex_mayorga> ?
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• 2619[15:17:57] <donald> I can not encrypt it directly?
• 2620[15:18:45] <DeaDSouL> donald: if the app doesn't allow you to encrypt while partitioning.. then yes
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• 2622[15:19:38] <linux-fox> modify your name in the /etc/passwd
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• 2624[15:20:41] <donald> DeaDSouL: are you sure there is not any cleaner solution?
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• 2626[15:20:49] <donald> why I cnanot do it directly?
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• 2631[15:21:36] <donald> is it a goog habit to do it?
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• 2633[15:22:46] <wewlad> omfg
• 2634[15:23:02] <DeaDSouL> donald: if you can do it direcrly. do it.. I don't have any linux X near to me right now. and I don't remember the options in disks-utility
• 2635[15:23:11] <wewlad> I just ran 'apt-get autoremove' to remove unneded dependencies - and it deleted kdm
• 2636[15:23:17] <wewlad> I'm in kde right now, wtf?
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• 2638[15:24:36] <donald> DeaDSouL: why do I have to do it? linux has a bug?
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• 2641[15:25:12] <DeaDSouL> donald: what bug?? what is 'why do you have to do it' ?
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• 2643[15:25:33] <donald> DeaDSouL: it does not look clean
• 2644[15:25:51] <DeaDSouL> donald: what's not look clean?
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• 2648[15:27:26] <DeaDSouL> donald: please try this: replaced-url
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• 2658[15:29:24] <jelly> wewlad: what you're running right now is not taken into account, only package dependencies and whether something got installed explicitely ("manually") or not. install task-kde-desktop to get back all the stuff debian maintainers think are useful with kde.
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• 2663[15:30:00] <wewlad> jelly: I installed kdm and now everything seems to be back to normal
• 2664[15:30:25] <jelly> wewlad: you probably removed some component task-kde-desktop depended on, and did not read what would become "unneeded" at that time
• 2665[15:30:33] <wewlad> I explicitly (manually) installed kde once, so I suppose kdm shouldn't have been deleted as unneeded dependency
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• 2667[15:31:11] <jelly> do you happen to know exactly what you did doing that kde install?
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• 2669[15:31:53] <wewlad> 'exactly' in what meaning? which bit went where? no, I don't
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• 2673[15:33:17] <wewlad> 'apt-get install plasma-desktop' > yes, yes, okay
• 2674[15:33:17] <jelly> wewlad: which command line did you use?
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• 2677[15:33:58] <jelly> right
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• 2680[15:34:29] <wewlad> if that is right - then why did kdm get deleted by autoremove?
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• 2684[15:35:30] <ByteStorm> ok guys
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• 2687[15:36:05] <ByteStorm> dd bs=512 count=1080000 if/dev/zero of=debian_arm.img
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• 2689[15:36:20] <ByteStorm> as i understand from this command,
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• 2691[15:36:41] <ByteStorm> "bs=512" is the block length of the img,right?
• 2692[15:36:42] <wewlad> it will write zeros to your img
• 2693[15:36:58] <wewlad> if=dev/zero, not if/dev/zero
• 2694[15:37:13] <ByteStorm> and count is the size of the image
• 2695[15:37:17] <Jagst3r15_> hey, if i were to upgade my server once debian 9 is release from debian 8 and i am on php 5 now, will it force me to upgrade to 7 or can i stick with the packages i have installed already and still go to 9
• 2696[15:37:25] <wewlad> bs=512 means block size
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• 2698[15:37:30] <ByteStorm> ok wewlad
• 2699[15:37:45] <oish> ByteStorm: count is the number of blocks...
• 2700[15:37:57] <ByteStorm> ok
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• 2702[15:38:24] <ByteStorm> oish the number of blocks of length 1Kb
• 2703[15:38:25] <ByteStorm> ?
• 2704[15:38:36] <jelly> Jagst3r15_: it will force you to whichever versions come with debian 9, that seems to be php 7
• 2705[15:38:46] <Jagst3r15_> funny
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• 2707[15:38:59] <jelly> ByteStorm: number of blocks of size specified in bs=
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• 2709[15:39:03] <Jagst3r15_> cause i upgraded ubuntu 15.10 to 16.04 and it kept me on php5 on my one server
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• 2711[15:39:04] <oish> ByteStorm: Of 512 byte blocks if you say bs=512
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• 2713[15:39:09] <Jagst3r15_> jelly why would that be
• 2714[15:39:10] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2715[15:39:12] <jelly> ByteStorm: bs stands for "block size"
• 2716[15:39:17] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2717[15:39:31] <Jagst3r15_> i know its ubuntu but was wondering if its the same for my debian server
• 2718[15:39:33] <Iridos> but why doesn't "man dd" tell you that?
• 2719[15:39:40] <ByteStorm> so if i do this command on the *.img file:
• 2720[15:39:52] <ByteStorm> mkfs.ext4 debian_arm.img
• 2721[15:40:07] <ByteStorm> will it formnat the img file to ext4 filesystem?
• 2722[15:40:12] <jelly> Jagst3r15_: php is a fast moving target, so the distribution makes a choice which version they're going to be able to support
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• 2725[15:40:27] <wewlad> can a file be formatted to a filesystem?
• 2726[15:40:38] <jelly> wewlad: yes.
• 2727[15:40:46] <Jagst3r15_> jelly right, but on my ubuntu machine i just upped to 16.04 i still have php5...i thought it forces u to upgrade but i guess not!?
• 2728[15:40:46] <ByteStorm> idk what,i was following a tutorial on youtube and idk what the guy wrote
• 2729[15:40:54] <rafalcpp> how should console program ask for options as some checklist, it seems "dialog" program does not support multi-line checklist items
• 2730[15:41:00] <ByteStorm> jelly is tht a positive?
• 2731[15:41:00] <wewlad> jelly: only image files or any files?
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• 2734[15:41:15] <jelly> Jagst3r15_: you still got upgraded to the version your distro vendor supports.
• 2735[15:42:14] <jelly> wewlad: mkfs writes some information to a file or block device. it doesn't really care what the previous contents were.
• 2736[15:42:17] <Iridos> wewlad, actually even if=/dev/zero, not if=dev/zero (except if cwd is /)
• 2737[15:42:43] <wewlad> true
• 2738[15:42:51] <ByteStorm> ok
• 2739[15:42:54] <Jagst3r15_> jelly but the only package that ships w/ ubuntu 16.04 is 7...how come my server upgraded to 16.04 but still kept php5.6
• 2740[15:42:58] <jelly> wewlad: so sure you can mkfs -t ext4 BigBunny.mkv
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• 2743[15:43:16] <jelly> Jagst3r15_: you'll have to ask the vendor for your distro
• 2744[15:43:20] <Jagst3r15_> ok
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• 2747[15:43:42] <wewlad> i thought mkfs formats disk for a specified file system
• 2748[15:43:49] <ByteStorm> so jelly,what will this command do: mount -o loop debian_arm.img /mnt
• 2749[15:43:58] <ByteStorm> especially the -o and loop part
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• 2751[15:44:39] <jelly> ByteStorm: hm, did you read about "THE LOOP DEVICE" in man mount
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• 2753[15:44:48] <ByteStorm> no
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• 2755[15:44:55] <jelly> ByteStorm: you might want to
• 2756[15:44:55] <ByteStorm> ok ill
• 2757[15:45:27] <jelly> ByteStorm: also, replaced-url
• 2758[15:45:38] <ByteStorm> thnx jelly
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• 2760[15:47:39] <wewlad> how can a file contain a filesystem?
• 2761[15:47:56] <wewlad> unless it's a disk image
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• 2767[15:49:31] <jmcnaught> wewlad: there's nothing special about a disk image except that it is a file that contains filesystem(s)
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• 2772[15:51:44] <wewlad> sounds weird. how can a text file or an audio file contain a file system? makes no sense to me
• 2773[15:52:04] <wewlad> also, doesn't mkfs get installed with debian?
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• 2777[15:52:51] <jmcnaught> wewlad: text files and audio files don't contain filesystems
• 2778[15:52:55] <wewlad> I see 'man mkfs', but both mkfs and mkfs.ext4 result into 'zsh: command not found: mkfs (or mkfs.ext4'
• 2779[15:53:23] <jmcnaught> wewlad: look in /sbin
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• 2782[15:53:54] <wewlad> it's there
• 2783[15:54:14] <wewlad> do I need root privileges to use it?
• 2784[15:54:34] <sypher> wewlad: A file is not a text file or an audio file. It is a file that contains data, which may be text, or audio, or a filesystem structure.
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• 2862[16:28:00] <lindbergio> Is there anyway I could follow the progress of let's say the "linux-image-amd64" package for Stretch/jessie-backports? Is it possible to get notified when a new version of a package gets released?
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• 2866[16:29:07] <jhutchins> lindbergio: There is a mailing list that annouces new packages. I don't think there's one specific to kernel releases.
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• 2873[16:31:34] <lindbergio> jhutchins: Ok, thanks. Is it possible to see the progress of a package before it gets released?
• 2874[16:31:35] <SynrG> there is the package tracking system. you can 'subscribe' to any package.
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• 2876[16:31:50] <SynrG> !pts
• 2877[16:31:50] <dpkg> it has been said that pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": replaced-url
• 2878[16:32:19] <SynrG> hmm. largely superseded by tracker.debian.org, iirc
• 2879[16:32:45] <SynrG> i believe subscription is per source package, not per binary
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• 2881[16:33:01] <SynrG> replaced-url
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• 2883[16:33:12] <SynrG> see the big, blue "Subscribe" button on the right
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• 2885[16:33:38] <SynrG> unsure if that's available to non-developers ...
• 2886[16:33:51] <lindbergio> SynrG: Ah, great! Didn't know about the tracking system.
• 2887[16:34:17] <SynrG> lindbergio: you'll see the rss link on the News
• 2888[16:34:21] <SynrG> that's probably most convenient
• 2889[16:34:45] <lindbergio> SynrG: Yup
• 2890[16:36:16] <jhutchins> lindbergio: You may be able to work with the package maintainers. For the kernel, there are mailing lists at kernel.org, but they are not Debian specific.
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• 2892[16:36:59] <jhutchins> lindbergio: replaced-url
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• 2896[16:37:48] <wewlad> how come that I do 'sudo apt-get install wine' then 'sudo apt-get remove wine' then 'sudo apt-get autoremove' and then 'dpkg -l | grep wine' shows that I still have libwine:amd64 installed?
• 2897[16:37:52] <lindbergio> jhutchins: This seems promising replaced-url
• 2898[16:38:16] <minimalism> Is there a way I can remove packages that aren't really related to others without them dragging out half the system?
• 2899[16:38:26] <wewlad> I also did 'sudo apt-get clean' and 'sudo apt-get autoclean'
• 2900[16:38:31] <jhutchins> lindbergio: Yep. The question is, which of the many sources is authoratative?
• 2901[16:38:34] <minimalism> I try to remove some freetype libs on a debian server, and it wants to take all of grub with it
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• 2904[16:39:20] <jhutchins> minimalism: I believe that the process is to mark the package as manually installed, then tryu to remove it. Why bother?
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• 2906[16:40:01] <minimalism> jhutchins: Because if "why bother" was my answer to everything, I'd be living in clutter
• 2907[16:40:30] <minimalism> Does apt have a command to simply change flag like --asdep or --asexplicit with pacman?
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• 2916[16:41:31] <jhutchins> minimalism: Yes, there's some mechanism. I'm not sure what the process is. The distinction is between files installed "automatically" as part of a package and files installed manually.
• 2917[16:42:26] <wewlad> I guess that mechanism is broken
• 2918[16:43:10] <wewlad> I haven't installed libwine:amd64 manually, yet it remains in the system after I removed wine and then did autoremove, clean and autoclean.
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• 2920[16:43:38] <minimalism> wewlad: Did you try to purge? It leaves rc's in dpkg -l
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• 2923[16:44:29] <wewlad> no. I don't have purge in my notes, so I'll have to learn to use it first.
• 2924[16:44:43] <minimalism> purge removes the configs and rc left behind
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• 2930[16:46:33] <wewlad> minimalism: purge didn't work as expected, after installing wine and purging it, dpkg -l | grep wine shows that I have libwine:amd64, libwine-gecko-2.21 and wine64
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• 2932[16:47:30] <wewlad> I'd call that a broken package, but in fact it seems more like a bug of my package manager
• 2933[16:47:37] <minimalism> did you try apt-get purge libwine
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• 2936[16:48:01] <wewlad> minimalism: no, why would I? I haven't manually installed libwine, it got installed with wine.
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• 2939[16:48:31] <minimalism> well if it's still there, try it
• 2940[16:48:54] <wewlad> the problem is that it's still there, while it should have perished when I deleted wine
• 2941[16:49:22] <wewlad> I didn't install libwine manually, so I expect it to be gone after removing the program that installed it as a dependency
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• 2944[16:50:00] <jez9999> I'm trying to install nethogs from jessie-backports: apt-get -t jessie-backports install "nethogs"
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• 2946[16:50:11] <jez9999> but i get the error: E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
• 2947[16:50:22] <jez9999> why is this? i think i've added jessie-backports in /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2950[16:50:41] <jez9999> deb replaced-url
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• 2954[16:51:07] <wewlad> jez9999: apt-get update
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• 2956[16:51:34] <jez9999> ah
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• 2958[16:52:11] <jez9999> the thing is i only want to install that one package. is there a way i can temporarily enable jessie-backports, then update, then disable it again?
• 2959[16:52:18] <wewlad> yes
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• 2961[16:52:44] <slax0r> sure, enable, update, install what you want, disable, update again
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• 2963[16:53:30] <minimalism> Do any of you ever feel like apt isn't worth it?
• 2964[16:53:48] <wewlad> yes
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• 2966[16:54:08] <wewlad> I do feel so now, when seems to fails to work
• 2967[16:54:31] <slax0r> why would it not be worth it?
• 2968[16:54:41] <slax0r> do you want to manage all the dependencies by hand?
• 2969[16:54:42] <minimalism> because it's a pain to do anything
• 2970[16:54:44] <wewlad> because it doesn't work as I expect it to
• 2971[16:54:58] <slax0r> you clearly haven't managed a system without a package manage before
• 2972[16:55:02] <wewlad> it doesn't manage dependencies properly
• 2973[16:55:06] <slax0r> good luck with the deps, and removals etc
• 2974[16:55:16] <slax0r> how does it not manage dependencies properly?
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• 2976[16:55:26] <slax0r> what would the proper way of handling them be then?
• 2977[16:55:29] <wewlad> could you scroll the chat log a bit up?
• 2978[16:55:41] <valdyn> its not apts fault
• 2979[16:55:48] <wewlad> how come?
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• 2981[16:56:19] <valdyn> sometimes deps are broken, in general deps are not solvable. Apt does a nice job when deps are not broken for the usual cases
• 2982[16:56:29] <slax0r> I see no reference as to how it should handle dependencies, sorry
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• 2984[16:56:43] <wewlad> I install package_A, which also installs package_B as a dependency. then I remove/purge package_A + do autoclean, clean and autoremove and package_B is still there. who's fault is that if not apt's?
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• 2987[16:57:04] <valdyn> wewlad: yours for not reading the docs ;)
• 2988[16:57:11] <wewlad> I knew it!
• 2989[16:57:12] <wewlad> :D
• 2990[16:57:51] <wewlad> something doesn't work as expected? get rtfm'ed!
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• 2995[16:59:15] <minimalism> I'll grant that reading the manual more would help some, but this whole process would've taken 5 minutes with pacman and not try to remove systemd if I wanted to remove a crypt lib
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• 2997[17:01:05] <slax0r> wewlad: I don't get what the problem is, remove the missed packages then, apt-get purge libwine and be done with it
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• 3002[17:01:56] <jhutchins> jez9999: Packages from backports will only be installed if you specify that you want to install from there. Dependencies will be installed, and when you do system updates they will update installed backports, but no other packages will be installed unless specified.
• 3003[17:01:57] <wewlad> I don't want to hunt for unwanted packages that I haven't installed manually
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• 3007[17:02:15] <jhutchins> wewlad: Perhaps you should be looking at LFS?
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• 3009[17:02:48] <wewlad> jhutchins: linux from scratch?
• 3010[17:02:50] <jez9999> jhutchins: i'm worried that they will be installed based on question like replaced-url
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• 3012[17:03:17] <jhutchins> wewlad: Yes.
• 3013[17:03:25] <slax0r> don't need LFS, you can install everything manually on debian just as well
• 3014[17:03:42] <slax0r> download source, and "make" away
• 3015[17:03:49] <wewlad> slax0r: you don't see a problem here, don't you?
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• 3018[17:04:13] <slax0r> wewlad: with what?
• 3019[17:04:16] <wewlad> with apt
• 3020[17:04:47] <slax0r> I understand what you mean, but I don't understand why you are complaining, you identified the unnecesarily install package, remove it, and move on
• 3021[17:04:51] <sypher> Okay, what is the actual problem here?
• 3022[17:05:05] <wewlad> slax0r: this particular case is just example.
• 3023[17:05:22] <wewlad> I've installed and removed lots of packages, I don't even remember which ones now
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• 3025[17:05:49] <wewlad> because apt fails
• 3026[17:06:16] <jhutchins> jez9999: You should pay attention to what apt* is proposing to install when you run it. Upgrading a kernel can require a lot of other things to be upgraded as well.
• 3027[17:06:36] <jez9999> erm, i'm not upgrading a kernel
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• 3029[17:06:55] <sypher> wewlad: apt fails how?
• 3030[17:06:55] <jelly> wewlad: apt and aptitude and dpkg keep logs if you want to hunt for the root cause
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• 3032[17:06:57] <jhutchins> jez9999: The post you cited was about upgrading a kernel.
• 3033[17:07:13] <wewlad> sypher: I explained like 5 times by now
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• 3035[17:07:26] <jhutchins> jez9999: There are sometimes "Recommended" packages, whether these are installed automatically is configurable.
• 3036[17:07:33] <wewlad> jelly: I'd like robots to keep me from those hunts
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• 3038[17:08:08] <slax0r> if I may, 16:37 < wewlad> how come that I do 'sudo apt-get install wine' then 'sudo apt-get remove wine' then 'sudo apt-get autoremove' and then 'dpkg -l | grep wine' shows that I still have libwine:amd64 installed?
• 3039[17:08:14] <slax0r> this is the "root issue" here I think
• 3040[17:08:16] <sypher> wewlad: You do realize that not everyone is sitting here watching everything you say, right?
• 3041[17:08:21] <jhutchins> wewlad: The default policies are good enough for the majority of users.
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• 3045[17:09:01] <jhutchins> wewlad: Wine is not regarded as one of the best maintained packages. It changes rapidly, and is not actually necessary.
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• 3047[17:09:12] <jhutchins> wewlad: I've been running for more than ten years without it.
• 3048[17:09:17] <wewlad> sypher: yes. You do realize that you may be the 5th person waking up from sleep on this channel and asking me the very same question about how apt fails and then after I explain it - someone else wakes up, reads my last message and asks how it fails and so on and on
• 3049[17:09:47] <jhutchins> wewlad: The preferred path is to find Open Source packages that do what you need and not reflexively run Windows software.
• 3050[17:10:24] <plantfood> yes wine is a hassle, best if you can avoid it
• 3051[17:10:25] <jelly> wewlad: oh, explaining may not be the best option if you want it fixed.
• 3052[17:10:28] <jelly> !bat
• 3053[17:10:28] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3054[17:10:36] <jhutchins> wewlad: If you're going to run Windows software, you should expect cruft.
• 3055[17:10:37] <jelly> wewlad: ^^ show that.
• 3056[17:10:40] <plantfood> photoshop CS2 works on ubuntu with wine though
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• 3058[17:11:02] <jhutchins> plantfood: Gimp runs fine without it.
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• 3062[17:12:36] <slax0r> we all know there are alternatives for virtually everything, but I don't think that's the direction this discussion should go
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• 3064[17:13:38] <jelly> people doing actual art say gimp is a pita
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• 3068[17:14:44] <wewlad> jelly: 'apt-cache policy wine | pastebinit': replaced-url
• 3069[17:15:09] <jelly> wewlad: can you pretty please put all the info in a single paste?
• 3070[17:15:25] <plantfood> mm i have use photoshop & inkscape alot but haven't lasted longer than 5 or 10 minutes with GIMP
• 3071[17:15:30] <wewlad> jelly: will try to
• 3072[17:15:36] <plantfood> but i'm sure it's just a learning curve
• 3073[17:15:58] <jelly> wewlad: at the very least you can "apt-cache policy wine libwine:amd64 ..." (all the packages mentioned in the output of the command that has issues)
• 3074[17:16:23] <jelly> that's step 2.
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• 3080[17:18:06] <wewlad> jelly: is there anything better than pastebinit? it halts if I do stuff like 'apt-get install wine | pastebinit' because 'apt-get install wine' expects my confirmation and I don't see the prompt
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• 3088[17:20:21] <jelly> wewlad: hmm. if you can't copy/paste from a terminal, you can do this: script stuff-to-paste.txt -- this opens a new shell and logs all the input and output. When you're finished, "exit" that shell and pastebin the txt log file.
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• 3092[17:21:02] <plantfood> maybe try: replaced-url
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• 3094[17:21:37] <wewlad> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3102[17:25:00] <wewlad> I'd also appreciate if someone could explain how to fix those warnings that I get about LC_ (lines 18-29, 69-80, 93-104)
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• 3106[17:28:05] <jelly> wewlad: well this looks mostly fine, apart from the locale warnings. The commands removed stuff.
• 3107[17:28:09] <colo-work> wewlad, install the "locales-all" pkg, or run "locale-gen"
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• 3110[17:28:35] <colo-work> (both options need root privs)
• 3111[17:28:47] <jelly> wewlad: if you want the UK locale to work correctly, run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and enable en_GB UTF-8
• 3112[17:28:55] <wewlad> jelly: line 118 and 120 show that I have libwine:amd64 package installed. I didn't install it, thus apt fails.
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• 3114[17:29:01] <complib> why /var/log/syslog shows duplicate of each command?
• 3115[17:29:32] <jelly> wewlad: nope, rc status means Removed, Conffiles remaining
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• 3117[17:29:52] <wewlad> aah
• 3118[17:30:01] <jelly> apt did exactly what if was asked to do
• 3119[17:30:05] <jelly> ut*
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• 3121[17:30:17] <wewlad> well, apt, I'm sorry then for blaming you
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• 3126[17:32:46] <jelly> wewlad: you can purge the leftover conffiles if you want to, but it's a separate step with dpkg/apt package management system
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• 3128[17:33:19] <wewlad> I wish it were included into clean/autoclean/autoremove
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• 3135[17:36:44] <jelly> !purge
• 3136[17:36:44] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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• 3153[17:40:50] <rommel092079> Is there an active directory in linux that is same as windows ad?
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• 3159[17:42:04] <`Kevin> the same as?
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• 3161[17:42:52] <rommel092079> Im not sure, so i asked that way.
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• 3168[17:44:09] <`Kevin> ldap, kerberos and such are supported which provide a central point for authorization if that is what you need
• 3169[17:44:18] <RoyK> rommel092079: samba4 supports acting AD controller
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• 3174[17:44:43] <`Kevin> aside from that you can go the insane route of samba4 AD (my opinion)
• 3175[17:45:02] <RoyK> replaced-url
• 3176[17:45:02] <rommel092079> So i need to install samba, ldap and kerberos?
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• 3179[17:45:37] <RoyK> rommel092079: samba should handle that well itself (but again, I guess `Kevin may be more experienced)
• 3180[17:45:39] <DeaDSouL> I can't find alsamixer in debian repo.... how can I control the volume from terminal?
• 3181[17:45:43] <RoyK> rommel092079: what sort of clients?
• 3182[17:46:04] <rommel092079> Just employees
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• 3184[17:46:38] <RoyK> rommel092079: what OS?
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• 3186[17:46:49] <RoyK> DeaDSouL: it's in alsa-utils
• 3187[17:46:56] <DeaDSouL> RoyK: thanks
• 3188[17:47:07] <rommel092079> Debian
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• 3190[17:47:15] <RoyK> for all clients?
• 3191[17:47:37] <rommel092079> Others are win7
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• 3193[17:47:52] <RoyK> ok, I'd try Samba4 AD then
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• 3197[17:48:21] <RoyK> windows sucks at using virtually everything else, at least last I checked
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• 3199[17:49:11] <rommel092079> Does samba4 do GPO to all clients on windows and debian?
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• 3209[17:52:05] <RoyK> rommel092079: no idea - check the link to the samba wiki I posted above
• 3210[17:53:18] <rommel092079> Ok tnx
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• 3219[17:55:35] <RoyK> rommel092079: replaced-url
• 3220[17:55:40] <RoyK> perhaps?
• 3221[17:55:58] <rommel092079> Tnx. Reading ur links.
• 3222[17:56:25] <`Kevin> rommel092079: curious why you are choosing to run AD on linux which you do not seem to be familiar with either versus windows which you will be running already?
• 3223[17:56:36] <RoyK> I used to be a certified microsoft professional, but that was almost 20 years ago and these das I stay as far away from Windows as possible
• 3224[17:57:32] <rommel092079> Kevin, just experimenting and learning how to with it so i have knowledge on both.
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• 3228[17:58:21] <`Kevin> ah in that case good luck :P
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• 3230[17:58:57] <rommel092079> Tnx
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• 3235[18:00:06] <maziar> what is similar to selinux from centos in debian ?
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• 3251[18:05:38] <_0xbadc0de> guys
• 3252[18:05:49] <_0xbadc0de> Is there any vm that contains already php5 installed?
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• 3254[18:06:01] <_0xbadc0de> with a local distro
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• 3258[18:06:22] <maziar> does debian have selinux
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• 3261[18:07:19] <johnfg> hi folks
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• 3269[18:13:20] <samus> ciao
• 3270[18:13:27] <samus> !list
• 3271[18:13:27] <dpkg> samus: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 3273[18:14:23] <oish> .quit
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• 3275[18:14:41] <samus> !list
• 3276[18:14:41] <dpkg> samus: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 3287[18:15:49] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de: if it isn't installed, just install it
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• 3290[18:16:11] <RoyK> !selinux
• 3291[18:16:11] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: replaced-url
• 3292[18:16:18] <DeaDSouL> I made a small loop-script so it doesn't have an end... how can I execute it everytime the system boots ?
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• 3301[18:20:54] <DoctorD90> DeaDSouL, crontab
• 3302[18:21:21] <DoctorD90> @reboot /path/to/script if i remeber well
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• 3312[18:26:21] <DeaDSouL> DoctorD90: thanks bro
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• 3315[18:26:50] <DoctorD90> DeaDSouL, ;)
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• 3382[18:53:16] <moony22> hm, can anyone give a link or something on the differences between minimal/full install?
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• 3392[18:55:41] <petn-randall> moony22: Where do you read about this difference?
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• 3395[18:56:24] <petn-randall> moony22: I don't think it's strictly defined, minimal just means only essential packages (+ maybe some small extras), whereas full probably means a full blown desktop environment.
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• 3397[18:57:14] <moony22> petn-randall: Oh ok, so minimal would generally be fine for servers?
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• 3415[19:08:10] <petn-randall> moony22: Sure. You probably want to select 'openssh server' and some other services you need during installation. Whatever you pick, you can always install or remove software to reach your desired state.
• 3416[19:08:40] <petn-randall> moony22: You can even leave out the ssh server if you want to operate on the server directly with keyboard and monitor.
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• 3423[19:10:28] <awesome_skies> hello
• 3424[19:10:32] <awesome_skies> sorry to be a noob
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• 3426[19:10:43] <awesome_skies> but how do I log into a freshly created debian/wheezy instance?
• 3427[19:10:51] <milf> container?
• 3428[19:10:56] <awesome_skies> yes
• 3429[19:11:02] <awesome_skies> I get asked for a login
• 3430[19:11:10] <moony22> petn-randall: thanks very much, I guess you're right that if it's missing a lot I can still reinstall it
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• 3432[19:11:22] <milf> docker exec <container_name> bash
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• 3435[19:11:31] <awesome_skies> erm
• 3436[19:11:36] <awesome_skies> no it boots up in my vm
• 3437[19:11:41] <awesome_skies> and i get prompted for a login
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• 3440[19:12:00] <milf> then put in your username and password
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• 3442[19:12:13] <missmbob> awesome_skies: the installer asks you to create a user. if you made that vm you assigned one.
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• 3444[19:12:27] <awesome_skies> ahhhh
• 3445[19:12:39] <awesome_skies> I wait
• 3446[19:12:42] <awesome_skies> wait
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• 3448[19:13:22] <petn-randall> moony22: No need to reinstall! Just run 'apt-get install <foo>', and you've installed whatever you need.
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• 3459[19:15:34] <petn-randall> awesome_skies: You sure this is a plain Debian VM and not something else based on Debian?
• 3460[19:16:19] <otyugh> that wouldnt't change much thought petn-randall
• 3461[19:16:43] <petn-randall> otyugh: What wouldn't?
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• 3463[19:17:30] <petn-randall> awesome_skies: Please keep it in the channel, also check out the channel /topic.
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• 3465[19:18:03] <otyugh> if he was using a mint or a ubuntu, or anything else. Login time is login time, it's quite distro independant most of the time >.>
• 3466[19:18:12] <missmbob> it changes everything. a lot come with set username/passwords.
• 3467[19:18:15] <awesome_skies> sorry
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• 3469[19:18:19] <awesome_skies> what does channel topic mean?
• 3470[19:18:22] <missmbob> hell debian live comes with username/password
• 3471[19:18:32] <awesome_skies> you mean the description of the channel ?
• 3472[19:18:45] <otyugh> awesome_skies, type "/topic" and see.
• 3473[19:18:53] <awesome_skies> nothing happens
• 3474[19:18:58] <awesome_skies> im using webchat though
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• 3478[19:19:21] <awesome_skies> topic
• 3479[19:19:24] <otyugh> yeah well all the "/" commands are handled by the irc client first, so it's only normal x)
• 3480[19:19:33] <otyugh> I forgot about that
• 3481[19:19:40] <awesome_skies> ^_^
• 3482[19:19:42] <awesome_skies> ok
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• 3485[19:19:57] <petn-randall> otyugh: It would, as we only support Debian in here, and not Ubuntu or Kali or anything else based on Debian.
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• 3489[19:20:51] <otyugh> the topic is the subject of the channel, most of the time it's written when you join a channel or somewhere in the top or bottom...
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• 3493[19:21:39] <petn-randall> otyugh: In that case we'd kindly point the user to the right channel.
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• 3499[19:24:19] <otyugh> petn-randall, irc is not what it was, to me any help is good to the taking, but I understand some people only want to work for debian in stead of the whole GNU/Linux thing. To me the fact that some problem are really distro specific is really the "10 to 100" of it, and not enought to redirect people to deserted channels. Because IRC is not that populated anymore. My point though, I know this won't change and most people will ha
• 3500[19:24:19] <otyugh> ve to hide their distro to get help for the most active gnu/linux support chan I know :3
• 3501[19:24:57] <otyugh> which is not terrible, it's just funny. x)
• 3502[19:25:26] * sypher eyerolls.
• 3503[19:25:42] <zykotick9> otyugh: want better support? use a better distro... like debian ;)
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• 3505[19:26:06] <otyugh> zykotick9, and I don't use anything else for the moment >.>
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• 3507[19:26:13] <missmbob> still doesn't make any sense. like i said, even debian live has username/password. so yeah, it matters.
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• 3509[19:27:10] <petn-randall> otyugh: Most people here give support because they want to make Debian better. If some hipster guy slaps a different desktop background on it, breaks a little bit of systemd and calls it Hipstr, they can, but they also have to deal with their support themselves.
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• 3515[19:28:02] <petn-randall> otyugh: Especially since Ubuntu provided some tools to create your own 'spins', this channel rule saves our sanity.
• 3516[19:28:09] <otyugh> Got the technical point. I was getting it before though, and I still disagree, but it's fine :p
• 3517[19:28:13] <awesome_skies> ok guys
• 3518[19:28:21] <awesome_skies> so if I am prompted for a login
• 3519[19:28:28] <awesome_skies> the VM has already been setup with credentials?
• 3520[19:28:34] <missmbob> yes
• 3521[19:28:39] <awesome_skies> -_-
• 3522[19:28:43] <sypher> otyugh: Disagree or not, please respect the channel /topic and take this non-support chatter to #debian-offtopic. Thank you.
• 3523[19:28:49] <awesome_skies> -_-;
• 3524[19:28:57] <awesome_skies> sure np
• 3525[19:28:57] <TomTomTosch> awesome_skies what image did you use to install?
• 3526[19:28:57] <zykotick9> otyugh: ##linux is a non-distro specific channel...
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• 3528[19:29:05] <SynrG> otyugh: also, your attitude "people will have to hide their distro to get help ..." is dangerous. i have lost count of how many people did that and ended up wasting our time.
• 3529[19:29:08] <awesome_skies> I used vagrant
• 3530[19:29:11] <petn-randall> awesome_skies: You just type in the credentials that you set when you installed it. Provided you downloaded the VM somewhere, check that website what the credentials are.
• 3531[19:29:25] <somiaj> otyugh: its a combination of sometimes the issue is what one would do in debian does not work for the based on debian install. The other is just more social, we are volunteers here to support people using debian pure blends. For generic linux help there is ##linux.
• 3532[19:29:28] <otyugh> SynrG, I don't call it dangerous ~
• 3533[19:29:47] <milf> dude shut up
• 3534[19:29:47] <SynrG> otyugh: and yes, it quantifiably wastes our time. we'll have several people involved in an hour-long, unproductive help session at the *end* of which it is revealed they are not running debian, and that's why we could not make progress!
• 3535[19:30:10] <ryouma> the linux channel has many debian and based-on-debian users
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• 3537[19:30:32] <SynrG> it happens all the time. so it is, in fact, dangerous. the dangers are many: burn-out of helpers, giving bad/harmful device to people not applicable to their OS, etc.
• 3538[19:30:35] <otyugh> definitvely not the channel topic to talk extensively about it SynrG as it was rightfully pointed out.
• 3539[19:30:44] <milf> otyugh please go somewhere else or *stfu*
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• 3542[19:31:03] <awesome_skies> the energy that could have been used to help a noob sure have been vested in other interesting ways
• 3543[19:31:09] <awesome_skies> but i appreciate your help guys
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• 3546[19:31:31] <awesome_skies> I find the only times I ask for help though on IRC are normally on very simple issues in an unfamiliar domain
• 3547[19:31:39] <awesome_skies> but Ill move off to the other channel
• 3548[19:31:46] <awesome_skies> thx tho!
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• 3556[19:33:23] <petn-randall> milf: No need to go ad hominem on someone here.
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• 3558[19:33:44] <milf> sorry
• 3559[19:33:50] <milf> bye
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• 3567[19:35:05] <srvk> I can't figure out why my network interface is called enp102s0 instead of eth0.
• 3568[19:35:28] <somiaj> srvk: what kinda of device is it? usb, bluetooth, pci, etc?
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• 3572[19:36:43] <`Kevin> srvk: also check udev rules
• 3573[19:37:25] <`Kevin> eg: grep -R enp /etc/udev/rules.d
• 3574[19:37:44] <SynrG> systemd specialness?
• 3575[19:37:56] <SynrG> replaced-url
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• 3578[19:38:22] <SynrG> ,v systemd
• 3579[19:38:23] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; sid: 231-4; stretch: 231-4
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• 3584[19:39:42] <SynrG> i thought there was some compatibility layer that provided the traditional names, though. can't remember what would do that, though.
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• 3587[19:39:59] <SynrG> (and yeah, udev rules are the likely candidate, but provided by which pkg?)
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• 3589[19:40:22] <SynrG> (though srvk is apparently gone now. oh well)
• 3590[19:40:24] <`Kevin> ugh systemd indeed
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• 3594[19:41:55] <SynrG> what's "ugh" about it, though? that page makes a compelling argument for why predictable names are important
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• 3600[19:45:11] <sypher> Having had a case where interfaces renamed themselves because predictable names were disabled and failed to come online after a restart...
• 3601[19:45:18] <sypher> I'm a fan of predictable names.
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• 3608[19:47:53] <`Kevin> I am fine with eth0,eth1,ib0 etc defined directly in udev rules that is all
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• 3632[20:02:13] <stew> what is the right way to remap keys on a usb keyboard that is sometimes attached?
• 3633[20:02:36] <stew> I used to do this with udev, but I don't remember how, I believe that these days I'm meant to be doing something with xinput but I'm not sure how
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• 3636[20:03:06] <`Kevin> stew: i think you want xmodmap
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• 3639[20:03:53] <greycat> Well, the hard part is presumably that he only wants the xmodmapping to occur while the extra keyboard is attached.
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• 3642[20:04:11] <stew> `Kevin: no that modifies the maps of ALL the keyboards connected, not just the one
• 3643[20:04:16] <greycat> I do not know how to trigger commands on keyboard plugin/plugout events.
• 3644[20:04:17] <stew> and yeah, that
• 3645[20:04:24] <`Kevin> yep thought that might be the case :(
• 3646[20:04:39] <stew> I know how to do that, but I don't know what the current way of attaching a keyboard map or changing options on a keyboard, I suppose
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• 3649[20:06:26] <r4co0n> Hi. I try to build new Debian packages for Odoo(OpenERP)(replaced-url
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• 3656[20:08:46] <`Kevin> stew: you can have udev execute a script that sets xmodmap upon add/remove, just match the model of the keyboard or something
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• 3659[20:11:40] <reactormonk> I'm slightly WTF because of replaced-url
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• 3664[20:14:12] <unborn> good evening to everyone :)
• 3665[20:14:41] <unborn> greycat: how was your day in one word? :)
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• 3670[20:16:09] <stew> `Kevin: xmodmap modifies all the keyboards not just the one that I'm attaching
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• 3675[20:17:47] <`Kevin> yep I was under the impression upon plugging in the usb one (that is the one being used) nevermind :)
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• 3679[20:18:00] <unborn> reactormonk: possibly you missing something out there..
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• 3681[20:18:11] <reactormonk> unborn, got an idea what to look for?
• 3682[20:18:19] <unborn> just going via that git line.. give me an minute
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• 3684[20:18:45] <greycat> I have utterly no clue whether it's even POSSIBLE to remap the keys of just ONE of the multiple attached keyboards. You may have to ask a more technically savvy channel (maybe #xorg if this is for X).
• 3685[20:19:16] <unborn> reactormonk: sure - how did you run the script?
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• 3687[20:19:46] <reactormonk> unborn, which script?
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• 3690[20:20:15] <unborn> reactormonk: the one you complaining about.. did not created some bunch of rubbish you want..
• 3691[20:20:22] <Rebelnet> debian does not belong to any supported distribution.
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• 3695[20:20:56] <unborn> Rebelnet: o/ hey buddy.. thats right.. debian is source of others.. :)
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• 3697[20:20:58] <reactormonk> dpkg -c <package.deb> to get the output, and dpkg -i package to install it
• 3698[20:20:58] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, reactormonk
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• 3700[20:21:24] <unborn> reactormonk: means lama :D
• 3701[20:21:26] <Rebelnet> it won't let me install debian on my chromebook
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• 3703[20:21:54] <Rebelnet> I did installed a lite version of Ubuntu. i finally got it to work.
• 3704[20:21:54] <unborn> Rebelnet: why on earth you would like to do that on chromebook?
• 3705[20:22:14] <reactormonk> lama?
• 3706[20:22:20] <unborn> yah lama
• 3707[20:22:28] <Rebelnet> i wanna tinker stuff
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• 3709[20:23:07] <unborn> Rebelnet: sure.. get some real hardware
• 3710[20:23:07] <reactormonk> What's lama.
• 3711[20:23:09] <Rebelnet> i couldn't get the legacy boot to work upon start up to load debian from the usb flash drive that i dd commanded
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• 3714[20:23:19] <reactormonk> uh. dpkg -L shows me said file exists.
• 3715[20:23:24] <unborn> chrome book is build to do one thing only.. you know that..
• 3716[20:23:53] <reactormonk> Ah, I had to purge it.
• 3717[20:24:07] <unborn> reactormonk: its animal .. sort of anomaly in - linux world
• 3718[20:24:08] <Rebelnet> yeah, i kind of got bored of the chromebook
• 3719[20:24:15] <Rebelnet> just surfing the web is boring to me
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• 3721[20:25:10] <reactormonk> dpkg seems to run bash in error-out mode - how can I tell it to ignore the exit code for a line?
• 3722[20:25:11] <dpkg> reactormonk: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
• 3723[20:25:33] <greycat> reactormonk: if you mean the post-install scripts, they are explicitly written to use -e
• 3724[20:25:33] <Rebelnet> right now i'm installing Ubuntu KDE. I hope it works
• 3725[20:25:46] <greycat> reactormonk: because SOMEONE IN DEBIAN thought that was a smart idea.
• 3726[20:25:53] <unborn> Rebelnet: so - get some normal hardware and come back.. chromebook is good for chrome os only.. dont get me wrong - you would run debian perfectly on that peace of ~kiss~ however - why waste the time with drivers and other stuff.. you bored right? get something newer and go pure debian ;)
• 3727[20:26:12] <reactormonk> greycat, yeah, got a specific command I'd like it to ignore the return code.
• 3728[20:26:31] <Rebelnet> last night my brain hurted. i enabled the boot from usb flash drive upon start screen. by typing Control+U. it won't work
• 3729[20:26:40] <reactormonk> Not sure if || echo "" is the right way.
• 3730[20:26:41] <Rebelnet> yeah i guess
• 3731[20:27:26] <Rebelnet> I'm thinking of getting the Dell XPS Developer Edition. it has Ubuntu 14.04 LTS preinstalled. planning to wipe and install Ubuntu 16.04 or Debian 8.5
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• 3734[20:28:05] <unborn> Rebelnet: your list night brain surgery is not debian related.. i point you right way - so i guess you on your way.. if not google will help you.. there is ubuntu or mint or whatever unstable version based on debian you choose.. ;)
• 3735[20:28:10] <Rebelnet> right now i can't budget it. I'm stuck with the chromebook for a couple of months. until December
• 3736[20:28:15] <unborn> oh good luck btw :)
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• 3740[20:28:47] <unborn> Rebelnet: thats completely fine.. see you in january then :)
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• 3742[20:29:01] <Rebelnet> crossystem dev_boot_usb=1 dev=boot_legacy=1
• 3743[20:29:34] <unborn> Rebelnet: also here is something nice for you: replaced-url
• 3744[20:29:49] <Rebelnet> it told me to enable_dev_usb_boot on the screen. and i got a successful boot from usb flash drive/sd card is enable. but upon start up, it didn't let me load the debian
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• 3747[20:30:30] <r4co0n> reactormonk, maybe "whatever || /bin/true" is better, at least that's what I dug up somewhere...
• 3748[20:30:53] <unborn> Rebelnet: and your question is? - for next couple of months? (I do not count google you know for your help)
• 3749[20:30:56] <reactormonk> r4co0n, according to #bash it's || true
• 3750[20:31:13] <Hello71> r4co0n: right, and better write /bin/ls every time you need to list files
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• 3753[20:31:28] <Rebelnet> google did not help. well someone did report there is a problem with egl support
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• 3756[20:31:48] <unborn> Rebelnet: this is debian channel - with all respect with your - locked device - please respect this.. thank you.
• 3757[20:32:14] <Rebelnet> damn my locked device
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• 3761[20:32:36] <r4co0n> reactormonk, I stand corrected, Hello71, true without full path was not suggested, was it?
• 3762[20:32:50] <greycat> r4co0n: calling true with a path is pretty silly.
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• 3764[20:33:08] <unborn> Rebelnet: - you better off to do some google research.. dont get me wrong.. you have device to designed to do things so - live with it or change it.
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• 3767[20:33:23] <reactormonk> r4co0n, nope, wasn't.
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• 3769[20:34:06] <Rebelnet> i think its the firmware bios that doesn't let me load the usb flash drive
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• 3771[20:34:42] <unborn> Rebelnet: yeah.. there is no currently firmware out there.. - its pointless..
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• 3773[20:35:12] <unborn> just do google search linux on chrome book.. can you?
• 3774[20:35:28] <OS-24041> Newbie here
• 3775[20:35:37] <Rebelnet> i did
• 3776[20:35:45] <unborn> OS-23761: hi there.. how we can help :)
• 3777[20:35:47] <Rebelnet> everything is outdated
• 3778[20:36:08] <Rebelnet> the only help i got was Ubuntu xfce4
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• 3780[20:36:23] <OS-24041> I will ask if I cant find answer. Thx unborn :)
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• 3784[20:36:35] <Rebelnet> i did install it. i got it to work. thats the other os that works so far. well i can try Kali
• 3785[20:36:51] <Rebelnet> Kali has a help wiki for my model to install it
• 3786[20:37:01] <Putti> Has anyone signed with pgp keys the onion services available from 5nca3wxl33tzlzj5.onion/ / onion.debian.org? It would be nice to verify that the sites are really from Debian project. :)
• 3787[20:37:14] <unborn> Rebelnet: nope - you just want someone to spoon feeding you - my best bet.. if your best results was ubuntu then try that one.. once you understand debian - ubuntu way wont stop you - there..unless you do some ubuntu way messy crap..
• 3788[20:37:31] <OS-24041> testing
• 3789[20:37:51] <unborn> OS-23761: just shoot your question out on us :) if we know how to help - we will do it ;)
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• 3792[20:38:23] <Rebelnet> i just want debian to work on this dang thing
• 3793[20:38:24] <Dirkson> Hey all. How do I do apt pinning in debian stretch/testing? The old /etc/apt/preferences file appears to be ignored.
• 3794[20:38:26] <r4co0n> Rebelnet, if you are really curious, try minimal installs of both Ubuntu and Debian to find out what makes the difference.
• 3795[20:38:29] <unborn> Rebelnet: ah kali here you go .. join #kali
• 3796[20:38:34] <thedungeon> hello
• 3797[20:38:43] <OS-24041> Where can i keyin command in hexChat Windows?
• 3798[20:38:59] <thedungeon> when i try to start xorg it says
• 3799[20:39:08] <missmbob> Dirkson: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (/topic)
• 3800[20:39:10] <thedungeon> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
• 3801[20:39:19] <unborn> Rebelnet: perhaps you did not understand me - no debian on chromebooks - I own 7 gens of them.. take it or have a fun.
• 3802[20:39:34] <thedungeon> with xinit
• 3803[20:39:48] <Rebelnet> omg i just read my model does not have SeaBIOS from the Kali wiki
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• 3805[20:40:13] <Dirkson> missmbob: Thanks. I think I just figured it out anyway : )
• 3806[20:40:21] <unborn> OS-23761: well.. is that exist in windows? if so.. you better of to ask windows community?
• 3807[20:40:22] <Rebelnet> yeah, thats true
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• 3810[20:41:07] <reactormonk> Is there a script to be invoked on purge?
• 3811[20:41:24] <thedungeon> hello?
• 3812[20:41:56] <unborn> so Rebelnet we are here to help you at any time but just make sure - you know what you are doing ;) from my personal experience - leave chrome book.. any updates will delete whatever you would do setup on that evil machine.. its designed to do so...
• 3813[20:41:56] <reactormonk> ah, postrm purge
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• 3815[20:42:50] <afidegnum> hello, how do I install uwsgi-emperor? i can't locate it on the normal apt-get i m using wheezy
• 3816[20:43:00] <Rebelnet> well, i want to start having fun now. to prepare for December purchase of my new laptop
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• 3818[20:43:05] <unborn> thedungeon: hello.. next time just shoot your issue.. folks here are - somehow they do not use hello or anything.. just shoot your issue out ;)
• 3819[20:43:25] <greycat> afidegnum: You may also consider using upstream uwsgi instead of packaged.
• 3820[20:43:36] <thedungeon> unborn: did it,
• 3821[20:43:46] <unborn> afidegnum: you may consider to update your system to jessie?
• 3822[20:43:55] <thedungeon> ~$ xinit
• 3823[20:43:57] <thedungeon> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
• 3824[20:44:14] <unborn> thedungeon: all I seen was hello :)
• 3825[20:44:34] <unborn> thedungeon: can you post your system details?
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• 3827[20:44:42] <woonxs> Hi
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• 3829[20:44:57] <thedungeon> unborn: its on lxc
• 3830[20:44:59] <ananke> i'm trying to automate installation, and i'm now trying to tackle automatic resizing of existing ntfs filesystem. i'm wondering how to find out list of available udebs, to see if there are any tools i could use parse output of some commands. i'd love to have awk available
• 3831[20:45:05] <thedungeon> unborn: debian jessie
• 3832[20:45:06] <woonxs> I'm having trouble launching a script usin an udev rule. Can you help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?
• 3833[20:45:23] <afidegnum> unborn: i just returned from jessie, the tool i was using wasn't fully deployed to it yet, lots of crashes
• 3834[20:45:28] <afidegnum> i was using ajenti
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• 3836[20:45:52] <woonxs> I want to run a script when I plug a ps3 controller. I created a new rule in /etc/udev/rules.d with the following content:
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• 3838[20:45:54] <unborn> thedungeon: im on irc here right now.. can you post out your system details right here with direct command? so - we can see it here...
• 3839[20:45:58] <woonxs> ACTION=="add", ATTR{idVendor}=="054c", ATTR{idProduct}=="0268", RUN+="/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/ports/2nMandoON.sh"
• 3840[20:46:41] <afidegnum> greycat: which one is upstream uwsgi ?
• 3841[20:46:42] <thedungeon> unborn: the newbie doesn't get you
• 3842[20:46:52] <thedungeon> *dnt
• 3843[20:47:11] <unborn> afidegnum: if the srcipt is crashing your server - then you would be able to send message to dvs - right? what it was php? mysql?
• 3844[20:47:27] <greycat> upstream means the original software from the original authors, not .deb files
• 3845[20:47:29] <`Kevin> thedungeon: X within LXC?
• 3846[20:47:40] <thedungeon> yea
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• 3848[20:47:52] <unborn> its fascinating that people would tell you it was that and this and expect you to google rubbish out :D
• 3849[20:48:10] <axc1298> hi. i'm a newbie. could someone please explain to me how i would completely remove wicd and replace it with networkmanager.
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• 3854[20:49:27] <afidegnum> unborn: no, it's a python based system admin too, which ended up crashing my grub
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• 3856[20:49:34] <otyugh> axc1298, I think installing networkmanager automatically would prompt you to remove wicd, just a guess. Try out
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• 3858[20:49:40] <afidegnum> all attempt to force i to run didn't work
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• 3860[20:49:53] <afidegnum> after many retries i decided to go back
• 3861[20:49:58] <unborn> thedungeon: I know.. well part of the selection does create the thing - if the person does understand what he is on earth doing.. then I can help if no sysadmin or some - google I read it - im sorry - have better things to do.. it does not meant that I wont help but - I always ask user some questions - you know that right?
• 3862[20:50:02] <afidegnum> even though i don't like it
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• 3864[20:50:31] <axc1298> otyugh: that sounds pretty unlikely lol
• 3865[20:50:50] <axc1298> i just don't want to end up stuck with no internet access and unable to fix it
• 3866[20:50:54] <unborn> afidegnum: sure = got your issue - so remove it - then install whatever you would like to use...
• 3867[20:50:57] <OS-24041> know.. well part
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• 3869[20:51:07] <thedungeon> unborn: i mean how?
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• 3871[20:51:40] <unborn> thedungeon: - which part of my reply you did not understand?
• 3872[20:51:40] <Mathisen> dump question i guess but... is there any ISO with a PXE server that will work out of the box.. for example i just install a VM with it and boot upp the computer i want to install debian on and install using PXE
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• 3875[20:52:01] <otyugh> axc1298, well you could make sure you have the .deb for both, so you could reinstall your old setup if networkmanager fail at giving you internet
• 3876[20:52:13] <axc1298> otyugh: ok i will try that
• 3877[20:52:29] <otyugh> apt-get -d install wicd networkmanager; apt-get install networkmanager
• 3878[20:52:30] <`Kevin> thedungeon: `lxc.tty #` config option should provide a /dev/tty0, beyond that i would ping lxc folk
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• 3880[20:53:02] <r4co0n> axc1298, check what the install of network-manager would do by issuing "apt-get install --simulate network-manager", this will not (un)install anything
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• 3882[20:53:24] <otyugh> even not appending the --simulate r4co0n ^^'
• 3883[20:53:29] <otyugh> it would ask before
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• 3885[20:53:36] <otyugh> right ?
• 3886[20:53:42] <axc1298> r4co0n: otyugh: ok thanks
• 3887[20:53:45] <thedungeon> Kevin: no tty0 on dev
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• 3892[20:55:02] <unborn> Mathisen: i get you... you came from wind world.. well there is a thing.. no computer is the same.. how I do is burn the iso and then go with install around - each machine have different setup... so - there is only one way - use linux pxe instead of wind one.. :)
• 3893[20:55:25] <axc1298> simulation looks like it doesn't remove anything
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• 3895[20:55:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'm running apt-get update on an old wheezy system and get "There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9D6D8F6BC857C906" (and some others) any obvious way to see what repo that is about?
• 3896[20:55:28] <axc1298> just installs a bunch of ackages
• 3897[20:55:32] <r4co0n> otyugh, this flag made me feel more secure in the past as well, though you are right and no installed packages get changed by apt-get without confirmation.
• 3898[20:55:50] <unborn> you can share file btw via torrent - much faster if you do deploy more then 2300 users..
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• 3900[20:56:05] <unborn> ...at once..
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• 3902[20:56:34] <unborn> (local torrent i mean)
• 3903[20:56:39] <Mathisen> unborn, ?? i just want to install debian on a machine @ home but i dont got any external tools right now.. no dvd/usb nothing..
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• 3906[20:56:57] <Mathisen> unborn, i get that i can install debian and configure it as a pxe server but im just lazy
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• 3908[20:57:07] <Mathisen> unborn, in a VM on this machine
• 3909[20:57:12] <unborn> Mathisen: are you running virtualbox?
• 3910[20:57:17] <Mathisen> unborn, yes
• 3911[20:57:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems some where wheezy-proposed-updates … mmh, probably the keys changed when going to wheezy-lts… still, would be nice to see what the keys are missing for
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• 3913[20:57:32] <unborn> so download the iso.. then select the iso and install it :)
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• 3915[20:58:01] <unborn> no cds or any crap need it.. virtualbox does read the iso... I can give you some video how to do it if you want
• 3916[20:58:04] <Mathisen> unborn, the machine i want to install on is not a VM.. thats why i want a PXE server to boot it from
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• 3919[20:58:45] <unborn> that is whole different story Mathisen so .. what pxe server you are running?
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• 3923[20:58:58] <Mathisen> unborn, none at the moment..
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• 3925[20:59:09] <Mathisen> unborn, but i want to configure one in a VM
• 3926[20:59:11] <r4co0n> Mathisen, you can boot from the iso using Grub's isoboot feature. You would need to have a small partition for the installer.
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• 3928[20:59:54] <unborn> Mathisen: - i strongly suggest you to google out how to run your own pxe and then how to do the stuff with it.. once you are done - google search how to do the debian pxe..
• 3929[20:59:55] <r4co0n> Mathisen, use LVM, delete the iso partition after install and grow you physical volume.
• 3930[21:00:35] <unborn> r4co0n: he is looking for something else.. just read the convo.. buddy but ou are right - i was about to tell him :)
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• 3939[21:02:30] <Mathisen> i do some google fuu then
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• 3942[21:04:07] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat: stupid way: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --search-keys C857C906
• 3943[21:04:22] <Mathisen> hmm what do you think if i just grab the HD from other machine and install debian... how crazy will it be when the hardware is totaly diffrent.. is it easy to repair that ?
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• 3945[21:04:42] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat: install the latestest debian-archive-keyring available
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• 3949[21:04:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> jelly, I just closed my eyes and installed... yeah, that
• 3950[21:05:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> jelly, it's still annoying one can't see what files/repos cause the fault
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• 3954[21:05:40] <jelly> Mathisen: it's reasonably easy, depending on how many non-free driver pieces you're using
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• 3958[21:06:01] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat: one can, but I CBA to look it up
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• 3961[21:06:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, it'd be something a useful error message would give out anyway
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• 3963[21:07:03] <jelly> you know where to file bugs.
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• 3991[21:19:15] <DammitJim> if I have some applications that were developed internally
• 3992[21:19:21] <DammitJim> and I want them to run as a service
• 3993[21:19:22] <reactormonk> from a postinst script, how do I figure out if a config file has been changed from the default state?
• 3994[21:19:27] <DammitJim> I can make the app be owned by root
• 3995[21:19:32] <reactormonk> ... debsums -ce tells me the package doesn't exist.
• 3996[21:19:35] <DammitJim> but execute it as a different user, right?
• 3997[21:20:19] <lne> join #php
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• 4001[21:21:04] <c-c> DammitJim: that doesn't sound good to me
• 4002[21:21:15] <DammitJim> the application should be owned by the user, right?
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• 4004[21:21:35] <c-c> DammitJim: I thought you were planning to make services
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• 4006[21:21:40] <DammitJim> yes
• 4007[21:21:48] <DammitJim> so, I have the conf file in /etc/init
• 4008[21:22:03] <DammitJim> but the python script is in /usr/local/myservice/collector.py
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• 4010[21:22:09] <DammitJim> and currently it's owned by root
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• 4012[21:22:15] <DammitJim> I should change the owner to be someone else, right?
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• 4015[21:22:28] <c-c> color me confused, why would services be owned by user... and why root there
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• 4017[21:22:38] <jelly> DammitJim: /etc/init is for upstart. /etc/init.d is where the init scripts for sysvinit (and systemd's sysvinit compatibility) are stored
• 4018[21:22:51] <c-c> DammitJim: I think you want to google about users and services on debian
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• 4020[21:22:57] <reactormonk> jelly, isn't upstart ubunut only?
• 4021[21:23:19] <DammitJim> jelly, yes, I'm doing upstart since that has some kind of respawn option
• 4022[21:23:26] <DammitJim> oh shoot
• 4023[21:23:26] <greycat> If a service can do its job running as "fred", then it should run as "fred" instead of "root". It's basic defensive security. You don't run things as root unless it's necessary.
• 4024[21:23:28] <somiaj> reactormonk: debian has very limited support for upstart. As you can use upstart but most packgaes won't come with the init scripts/configs.
• 4025[21:23:28] <jelly> reactormonk: no, although I don't see how that's relevant
• 4026[21:23:32] <DammitJim> reactormonk, you are right!!! this is an ubuntu server
• 4027[21:23:33] <DammitJim> sorry
• 4028[21:23:44] * DammitJim runs as fast as he can... my apologies
• 4029[21:23:50] <jelly> heh
• 4030[21:24:03] <DammitJim> however, I'll need to do this on debian servers, too
• 4031[21:24:14] <jelly> call us when you get there
• 4032[21:24:16] <DammitJim> is there a respawn option in sysvinit or systemd?
• 4033[21:24:23] <greycat> DammitJim: yes.
• 4034[21:24:28] <jelly> sysvinit, no, systemd, yes
• 4035[21:24:30] <reactormonk> DammitJim, systemd has everything, from what I've seen.
• 4036[21:24:30] <DammitJim> oh cool!
• 4037[21:24:34] <DammitJim> thanks for clarifying
• 4038[21:24:36] <somiaj> DammitJim: systemd (default in jessie) will monintor and respawn services.
• 4039[21:24:43] <DammitJim> reactormonk, thanks for pointing that out... I have servers up my butt
• 4040[21:24:47] <reactormonk> DammitJim, if you have ubuntu 16.04, go with systemd.
• 4041[21:24:49] <somiaj> for sysvinit you'll have to have some tool like daemon-tools or the likes do this.
• 4042[21:24:55] <DammitJim> no, we aren't talking about ubuntu
• 4043[21:25:01] <DammitJim> I honestly rather do it the Debian way
• 4044[21:25:11] <reactormonk> DammitJim, you don't have systemd on 14.04
• 4045[21:25:20] <reactormonk> ... I know. I tried.
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• 4047[21:25:38] <DammitJim> reactormonk, no, my other servers are jessie
• 4048[21:25:47] <DammitJim> getting ahead of myself
• 4049[21:25:49] <DammitJim> I better shut up
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• 4051[21:26:13] <DammitJim> interestingly enough, though... for systemd
• 4052[21:26:21] <DammitJim> who should own my application that I want to turn into a service?
• 4053[21:26:28] <DammitJim> I am assuming it shouldn't be root
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• 4055[21:26:51] <DammitJim> so 2 things: 1) who owns the files and 2) what user does the service run as
• 4056[21:27:00] <DammitJim> I'm assuming I should make both the same?
• 4057[21:27:14] <somiaj> DammitJim: a lot of this is design of your server. If you don't need to run it as root I usually create a user to run said service (if a standard one doesn't alreayd exist)
• 4058[21:27:20] <greycat> Usually I prefer the files to be owned by root, so that the process can't modify them if it gets pwnt.
• 4059[21:27:36] <DammitJim> oh, awesome feedback guys!
• 4060[21:27:44] <DammitJim> somiaj, I am creating a new user for this service
• 4061[21:27:57] <greycat> Obviously there are exceptions for files the process is *supposed* to be able to write to, like log files, or long-term storage.
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• 4065[21:30:42] <DammitJim> thanks guys... I have my docs updated... I'll run it as a different user, but owned by root
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• 4071[21:35:51] <battery> hello, i have an issue with debian testing. yesterday i did apt upgrade and i messed around with some config files, which caused it not being able to boot completely. now i end up stuck at some point of bringing up graphical interface, but luckily i can log in on a different tty. can someone point to some log which could tell me where is it stuck?
• 4072[21:36:09] <greycat> !debian-next
• 4073[21:36:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 4076[21:36:37] <SPYMAN> hey
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• 4078[21:36:51] <DammitJim> battery, if my comment is of any help, do snapshots on a VM when using testing
• 4079[21:36:55] <DammitJim> you won't regret it
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• 4083[21:37:28] <SPYMAN> helllo GUYS anybody here ?
• 4084[21:37:36] <greycat> no
• 4085[21:37:40] <SPYMAN> good
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• 4087[21:38:07] <SPYMAN> mr greycat since when you are using kali ?
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• 4089[21:38:19] <greycat> I've not tried it yet.
• 4090[21:38:39] <SPYMAN> interesting
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• 4094[21:38:52] <SPYMAN> why not ?
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• 4096[21:39:14] <Colloguy> pppprice quotte
• 4097[21:39:20] <Colloguy> oops ignore that
• 4098[21:39:21] <unborn> SPYMAN: why yes?
• 4099[21:39:39] <SPYMAN> im asking ? :)
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• 4101[21:40:08] <sypher> SPYMAN: This channel is for Debian support-related questions. Do you have one? Otherwise, #debian-offtopic or your distribution's channel would be more appropriate.
• 4102[21:41:12] <SPYMAN> okay cool i have problem with my wifi .. i mean i have internal wifi and i run it like VM any idea?
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• 4109[21:42:49] <petn-randall> !kali
• 4110[21:42:49] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 4111[21:42:59] <Colloguy> How to do differential, remote backup of an encrypted partition that doesn't require trusting the backup host, and would work well with large files?
• 4112[21:43:00] <petn-randall> left :(
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• 4120[21:46:08] <Colloguy> I've looked at nbd + rsync, but I think that will require downloading from the backup host each large file that is internally modified
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• 4127[21:47:54] <Colloguy> another alternative, rsync --copy-devices might work, but does not appear to be available from the rsync packaged with debian
• 4128[21:48:13] <somiaj> Colloguy: I'm unsure on how to deal with small changes with large files without having to download the whole file again. There is also rdiff-backup maybe it can do this because it uses diffs to store file differences so it doesn't need to have copies of every modified file.
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• 4133[21:49:47] <Colloguy> oh cool, I'll look into it
• 4134[21:50:26] <petn-randall> Colloguy: Can you mount the remote partition somehow?
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• 4136[21:51:27] <Colloguy> a solution can involve doing that
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• 4140[21:52:12] <petn-randall> Colloguy: Then I'd just mount it and rdiff-backup the source partition to the remote (and differently encrypted) partition.
• 4141[21:52:26] <petn-randall> Colloguy: If you need performance, I'd look at something like BareOS or Bacula.
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• 4145[21:53:45] <Colloguy> would just like to minimize bandwidth. Have never used rdiff-backup before. So I'll try nbd + rdiff-backup
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• 4165[22:03:10] <win16user> hi im installing debian on a virtualbox, it has gotten to a point in the installation and it keeps failing - Debian install manager
• 4166[22:03:33] <win16user> i click finish the installation it asks for a bootloader and whichever one i choose Lilo or Grub it fails and it just loops
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• 4168[22:03:52] <win16user> loops back to thge installer main menu
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• 4170[22:04:51] <win16user> any help is appreciated to get this going i been trying for two days so far to get this running and I'm about to give up it shouldnt be this hard to just install :(
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• 4176[22:07:50] <lollipop> Do you use netinstallation image?
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• 4179[22:08:18] <win16user> i use this image debian-8.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso
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• 4184[22:10:15] <lollipop> dont you need other 2,3,4,5,6,7 and 8 images too?
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• 4187[22:11:01] <lollipop> sry I have just used the netinstallation image I have no experience with multiple cds. Just trying to help :)
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• 4189[22:11:36] <lollipop> or are you using the commandline installtion ?
• 4190[22:11:39] <win16user> not sure which is why i'm here lol
• 4191[22:11:45] <win16user> no interface one
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• 4196[22:12:25] <lollipop> try the netinstallation image it should work just fine
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• 4200[22:13:45] <win16user> do you have a link
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• 4204[22:14:47] <petn-randall> win16user: You should be able to switch to a debug console with ctrl + alt + Fx (I think it was F10, just try them all). Did you just pop the ISO into the VM as a CD? Did you verify the image is not corrupted?
• 4205[22:15:02] <petn-randall> win16user: *debug log console
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• 4208[22:15:51] <lollipop> replaced-url
• 4209[22:16:22] <lollipop> you can find the same link at debian's front page
• 4210[22:16:30] <petn-randall> lollipop: If you use CD1, you can just download the rest of the internet like with the netinstaller.
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• 4212[22:17:37] <lollipop> petn-randall: thanks for the information. I didn't know :)
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• 4214[22:18:02] <win16user> Ok im stgarting all over again, i booted into the CD on virtualbox, chose graphical install, than chose the country and language
• 4215[22:18:20] <win16user> hostname & password entered
• 4216[22:18:23] <win16user> username entered
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• 4219[22:19:36] <win16user> guided - use entire disk
• 4220[22:20:04] <win16user> use all disk clicked accept and yes
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• 4228[22:21:21] <win16user> searching mirrors now
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• 4230[22:21:44] <missmbob> win16user: install in silence
• 4231[22:22:39] <win16user> Sure, just going through the steps with the guys trying to help to see what i am going through :(
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• 4239[22:26:20] <lollipop> looking good
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• 4241[22:26:43] <OS-24041> Hi
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• 4243[22:26:55] <OS-24041> Can I ask something about ssh here?
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• 4245[22:27:08] <greycat> !ask
• 4246[22:27:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 4249[22:27:48] <OS-24041> how to send kali linux command (Example:Airmon-ng) from (Window's Putty)
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• 4251[22:27:54] <OS-24041> Im new to ssh
• 4252[22:28:14] <greycat> If you're using Kali, please ask the Kali channel. Or the Openssh channel.
• 4253[22:29:15] <lollipop> OS-24041: first you have to login to kali machine. Better to read the ssh manual or go to other channel :)
• 4254[22:29:25] <lollipop> or putty's
• 4255[22:30:00] <OS-24041> Okie :)
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• 4265[22:32:03] <OS-24041> :) Found the answer
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