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32[00:12:00] <dviv> hi, okular is taking forever to open pdf files. am i missing some package?
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46[00:16:27] <irn4l> hi
47[00:16:48] <jmcnaught> dviv: if you open okular from a terminal emulator you may see some errors or other messages that tell you what's going on
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57[00:19:26] <Resilience> hello to everyone, I am having trouble with hibernate, it seems that it corrupts my fs, and it is related to the kernel 4 series, is there some workaround?
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59[00:21:07] <jmcnaught> Resilience: before you can workaround something you need to know what the problem is. Can you show us some logs from before and after a hibernate event? And also whatever you're seeing that tells you that your file system is corrupt?
60[00:21:12] <dviv> this is what i have so far, its still loading replaced-url
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67[00:23:27] <jmcnaught> dviv: does okular take a long time to start, or just load PDF files? what about other file types or other programs? Details about the session type and how you start it could help too.
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69[00:24:11] <Resilience> jmcnaught, mmm /var /log/syslog or what? what I'm seeing is that when resuming from hibernate state it never load the image and always tries a fsck, then the system finds a corrupted filesytem and then make a fsck "repairing" it (maybe my filesystem is damaged?)
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73[00:25:18] <jmcnaught> Resilience: so instead of resuming, it does a fresh boot that needs to fsck?
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77[00:26:06] <Resilience> jmcnaught, right, not sure if it is a "fresh boot" but it does always fsck
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80[00:26:43] <jmcnaught> Resilience: how are you not sure if it is a new boot or resuming the previous boot. Do you not have a session running?
81[00:26:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't think there's even a mechanism to fsck during resume…
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84[00:26:57] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
85[00:27:15] <NapoleonWils0n> just installed rxvt-unicode-256color
86[00:27:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> but you should know if it boots into your resumed state/session or a new one easily
87[00:27:29] <NapoleonWils0n> cant seem to change the font size
88[00:27:52] <NapoleonWils0n> its not picking up the inconsolata for powerline and the font size
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90[00:28:17] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, how are you trying yo change it?
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92[00:28:35] <Resilience> jmcnaught, I have a sesion running (this one) but I am not sure how to kow if it is a fresh boot (it starts trying to load an image, then it fsck's, and then it boot the machine as alwys, loosing all session image, and restarting t as if it was powered up, is it a "fresh" boot?)
93[00:28:40] <NapoleonWils0n> i manually installed inconsolata in fonts and ran fs-cache
94[00:29:08] <NapoleonWils0n> also tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
95[00:29:24] <dviv> jmcnaught: other programs starts fine, opening okular alone takes just as long apparently. running xfce right now
96[00:29:37] <NapoleonWils0n> but inconsolata isnt listed as a terminal font, and if i use apt to install inconsolata it doesnt show up either
97[00:30:04] <dviv> does not matter the filetype i try to open, it is slow
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99[00:30:36] <jmcnaught> Resilience: it sounds like it is failing to resume then. If you're on Debian 8 with systemd you can run "journalctl" as root to see log entries for the current boot. There might be messages about this problem at the start of this log.
100[00:30:59] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, you need to create an .Xresources file and set the urxvt config there, or if you just want to config the font the use the -fn and -fb options
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102[00:31:20] <jmcnaught> dviv: is the problem happening with other KDE programs? It's not clear what it's trying to authenticate.
103[00:31:35] <NapoleonWils0n> i have an ~/.Xresources with the font and font size
104[00:31:57] <dviv> no jmcnaught
105[00:32:10] <dviv> tried krita, kolourpaint
106[00:32:16] <dviv> they open instantly
107[00:32:17] <Resilience> jmcnaught, unfortunately I am running systemd-shim, logs are in /var/log/syslog? or where can I find them?
108[00:32:28] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, ok then do xrdb ~/.Xresources to make it happen
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110[00:32:36] <NapoleonWils0n> ah yes thats it
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112[00:33:28] <dviv> i think i will install kde just to see if it opens faster
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114[00:33:42] <NapoleonWils0n> aaro thx mate that worked
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116[00:34:00] <NapoleonWils0n> no more large shouty font in the terminal
117[00:34:04] <jmcnaught> Resilience: look in /var/log/syslog, the output of 'dmesg'. It's up to you to find the part in syslog where the hibernate event happened.
118[00:34:11] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, np :)
119[00:34:32] <NapoleonWils0n> strange thing is the spacing seems off
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121[00:34:47] <NapoleonWils0n> very wide spacing compared to same set up on arch
122[00:35:12] <Resilience> jmcnaught, thanks, I am going to chek it
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124[00:35:27] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, use the letterSpace resource
125[00:35:57] <NapoleonWils0n> aaro sorry for being dense is that in Xresources
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130[00:36:25] <jmcnaught> Resilience: i recommend looking for messages from when the previous boot put the computer into hibernate, and also messages from when it resumes or boots. You may find relevant messages in some of the other logs in /var/log too.
131[00:36:35] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, yes URxvt*letterSpace: -1
132[00:36:56] <NapoleonWils0n> just found it on stack cheers mate
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139[00:39:59] <NapoleonWils0n> tried URxvt*letterSpace: -1 and URxvt.letterSpace: -1
140[00:40:13] <NapoleonWils0n> and xrdb ~/.Xresources
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142[00:40:28] <NapoleonWils0n> but still not looking the same as on arch
143[00:40:44] <teraflops> URxvt.letterSpace: -1 whan an ugly hack…
144[00:40:50] <teraflops> s/what*
145[00:40:53] <solrize> is wheezy stlil getting updates? should i worry about the new kernel exploit i've been hearing about?
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148[00:41:16] <NapoleonWils0n> hi teraflops hope your not still trying to sex up your laptop
149[00:41:21] <teraflops> xD
150[00:42:01] <NapoleonWils0n> i ran dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
151[00:42:35] <jmcnaught> solrize: do you know the CVE for the exploit? You can look it up here: replaced-url
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153[00:42:56] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, paste your Xresources to check it out
154[00:42:59] <solrize> CVE-2016-7117
155[00:43:01] <solrize> looking
156[00:43:12] <NapoleonWils0n> this is my Xresources
157[00:43:14] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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159[00:43:23] <solrize> linux (PTS) wheezy 3.2.78-1 vulnerable
160[00:43:39] <NapoleonWils0n> just used my arch setup and install powerline for inconslata
161[00:43:50] <missmbob> solrize: see the very next line
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163[00:43:52] <NapoleonWils0n> did a fc-cache
164[00:44:14] <solrize> missmbob, yeah i'm checking my version which is somewhat older
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166[00:44:30] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, define boldFont too
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168[00:44:37] <solrize> i do have security in my apt.sources maybe i just need to reboot
169[00:44:53] <solrize> there goes my 8 month uptime :/
170[00:44:56] <solrize> rebooting
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172[00:46:10] <jmcnaught> solrize: rebooting won't do a lot of good if you haven't installed the updated pacakge
173[00:46:20] <solrize> well i did apt-get upgrade
174[00:46:33] <missmbob> and didn't notice a kernel upgrade?
175[00:46:43] <missmbob> you're fired
176[00:46:50] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup is not related at all to Xorg and you don't have to run fc-cache manually (it's useless)
177[00:46:59] <solrize> i didn't see a kernel upgrade but i see i have a new kernel after the reboot
178[00:47:13] <NapoleonWils0n> ok cheers teraflops
179[00:47:23] <solrize> which unfortunately is 3.2.81-2
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181[00:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> solrize: You can always check the running kernel against what dpkg says is installed.
182[00:47:38] <NapoleonWils0n> the spacing is like t h i s
183[00:47:38] <solrize> where the cve page says 3.2.82-1
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185[00:48:06] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, got a screenie?
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188[00:48:32] <solrize> ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.81-2 amd64 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs
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190[00:48:41] <solrize> could that be a typo in the cve page?
191[00:48:45] <solrize> replaced-url
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195[00:50:29] <NapoleonWils0n> maybe it some gnome font setting
196[00:50:45] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, i'm not sure that font name is correct, check what;s the font name in some other program, an editor maybe
197[00:50:47] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: urxvt ignores fontconfig at all
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199[00:51:20] <NapoleonWils0n> URxvt*font: xft:Inconsolata\ for\ Powerline:size=13
200[00:51:22] <solrize> is there an authoritative way to find out what the latest wheezy kernel is?
201[00:52:06] <NapoleonWils0n> teraflops any inconsolata alternatives worth looking at
202[00:52:13] <aaro> NapoleonWils0n, try another font and see if the spacing continues like that
203[00:52:26] <somiaj> ,kernels
204[00:52:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.6-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.5-1~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
205[00:52:39] <teraflops> NapoleonWils0n: I dont use powerline so idk
206[00:52:50] <somiaj> solrize: are you wantnig this just for knowledge, or do you have a wheezy box you want to check what the latest kernel is from?
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208[00:53:14] <solrize> i have a wheezy box that i just upgraded but there's a mismatch between uname -a and what the cve page says
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210[00:53:25] <NapoleonWils0n> ill try install fonts-inconsolata and remove the powerline version
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212[00:53:44] <jmcnaught> solrize: because of that mismatch i would consider asking in #debian-lts on OFTC
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214[00:54:02] <solrize> hmm what's oftc? another irc network?
215[00:54:05] <somiaj> solrize: what cve page? Do you have the correct security sources needed for wheezy-lts?
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217[00:54:22] <somiaj> solrize: also is the missmatch just because you haven't rebooted on the newer kernel?
218[00:54:37] <solrize> cve page is replaced-url
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220[00:55:01] <solrize> my security source is deb-src replaced-url
221[00:55:03] <solrize> is that right?
222[00:55:07] <NapoleonWils0n> ok fixed it
223[00:55:29] <solrize> uname -a says i'm running kernel 3.2.81-2
224[00:55:29] <somiaj> solrize: run 'apt-get update' then run 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64' (assuming amd64 arch)
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226[00:55:36] <NapoleonWils0n> used fonts-inconsolata and then xrdb ~/.Xresorces
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228[00:55:59] <NapoleonWils0n> thx guys
229[00:56:03] <solrize> apt-cache policy gets a pile of 500 errors sec
230[00:56:27] <pikaroo-> ahh it's a wonderful day
231[00:56:28] <NapoleonWils0n> time to right down the steps so i dont forgot
232[00:56:30] <somiaj> solrize: 500 errors? You may have a problem in your soruces.list (it might show lots of pinnings at 500 which is default and totally normal)
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235[00:56:46] <solrize> oh i thought those were http errors
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238[00:57:39] <somiaj> solrize: seems that tracker page is outdated, the current wheezy kernel seems to be 3.2.82-2 but still put the output of apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 at a pastebin.
239[00:57:56] <solrize> replaced-url
240[00:58:32] <solrize> brb
241[00:58:36] <jmcnaught> solrize: 'apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64'
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243[00:58:53] <somiaj> solrize: thanks, but follow jmcnaught advise, I thought the metapackage was more specific than that.
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251[01:01:46] <jmcnaught> somiaj: rmadison shows 3.2.81-2 from wheezy-security for me, same with packages.d.o. I suggested asking in the #debian-lts channel on OFTC because of the mismatch between security tracker and what's in the archives
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254[01:02:25] <jmcnaught> anyways i'm out for a bit, solrize i hope you get to the bottom of this :) also consider upgrading to jessie!
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257[01:03:07] <somiaj> jmcnaught: yea I wonder if the tracker is having issues with the wheezy-lts sources so when it says wheezy(Security) it is listing the last version provided from the security team before lts.
258[01:03:09] <solrize> thanks jmcnaught yeah i'll keep at it... i'm scared to upgrade this box to jessie without backing it up first, which means i need to get hold of 2+ TB of backup space so i've been putting it off...
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263[01:03:45] <somiaj> solrize: you seem to be up to date. I'm unsure why the tracker is showing an outdated version for wheezy(security)
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265[01:04:16] <solrize> tracker you mean apt-cache? it says 3.2.81-2 which sounds older
266[01:04:33] <somiaj> solrize: replaced-url
267[01:04:50] <solrize> oh ok should i still go ask on oftc?
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272[01:05:22] <somiaj> solrize: Oh i missread it, I saw 3.2.82-2 not 3.2.81-2 (yea it does look older)
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277[01:06:10] <somiaj> solrize: I would follow that link I gave you and report this issue somewhere like the mailing list
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280[01:06:35] <solrize> ok i'll see what i can find.. thanks somiaj
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286[01:08:06] <irn4l> a linux that pays users to use it
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289[01:08:36] <mtn> this idiot just got kicked in the arch channel
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292[01:08:54] <mtn> what takes a bit to do ;)
293[01:09:06] <irn4l> yeah
294[01:09:12] <irn4l> and just got kicked cause im a genious
295[01:09:27] <somiaj> irn4l: if you don't have a specific debian support question or are not on topic here the same will happen.
296[01:09:37] <irn4l> not on topic
297[01:09:43] <irn4l> couldnt be more on topic man
298[01:09:45] <irn4l> linux
299[01:09:53] <irn4l> build to pay users to use it
300[01:10:07] <irn4l> selling themes
301[01:10:14] <irn4l> and cosmetic stuff
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307[01:10:58] <solrize> lol
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310[01:12:54] <solrize> reported on oftc awaiting response which tracker page says might take a while
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319[01:14:42] <somiaj> solrize: yea mostly on irc you get users so trying to get response or info from a matainer of the tracker page may be a bit. I find the mailing lists are far more reliable (though you do have to wait for a reply)
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322[01:15:29] <solrize> well i should be online most of the afternoon so i figured if i don't hear anything on irc by tonight i can email the list, does that sound like a good plan?
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325[01:16:12] <somiaj> solrize: thank you for following up on this and reporting it.
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327[01:16:22] <solrize> np
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337[01:20:29] <posi> gf
338[01:20:50] <Emil> hMMMMM
339[01:20:57] <Emil> adduser is not creating userhome
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343[01:22:50] <somiaj> Emil: what was the exact command you typed? is /home mounted read-only or something that prevents it from being created?
344[01:23:51] <Emil> somiaj: adduser user --gecos ""
345[01:24:20] <Emil> followed by some bad things like adduser user sudo and passwd -d user
346[01:24:58] <somiaj> Emil: the man page suggest you need to do adduser --gecos "" username -- unsure if order matters (sometimes it does)
347[01:25:43] <Emil> somiaj: I tried both ways
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349[01:26:29] <somiaj> I'm not familar with the --gecos option so unsure if it is causing any issue
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351[01:26:34] <somiaj> what if you just 'adduser username' as a test
352[01:27:19] <rebelgenesis> I'm having issues recording my desktop with vokoscreenrecorder it says it records but when I play the video I just recorded it says there's 0 mins on it and flashes then stops.
353[01:27:36] <Emil> somiaj: can't, adduser becomes interactive :/
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360[01:29:38] <somiaj> Emil: ahh so the --gecos makes it non-interactive? You still need to supply the info it wants. I'm not use to the error, but almost seems like there is issue with how you are using it, but I don't know enough to say much more than that.
361[01:29:50] <Emil> somiaj: "" supplies the data
362[01:30:30] <somiaj> it might be supllying no data so no home dir is created as a result.
363[01:30:39] <somiaj> Emil: what is your end goal (what are you trying to achive)?
364[01:30:57] <Emil> somiaj: Automating logins to a live installation
365[01:31:08] <Emil> I'm doing bad boy things with it
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367[01:31:15] <Emil> Regarding my own security :D
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369[01:31:35] <somiaj> Emil: maybe useradd is what you want, and you want to specify each thing you need (like the homedir to create)
370[01:31:43] <Emil> Yeah, used it and worked
371[01:32:18] <somiaj> Emil: you could also suplly the --home /home/user --gecos "" to specifiy the home so it creates it
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373[01:32:32] <somiaj> (still unsure on the details here as to why it isn't creating the home dir)
374[01:32:34] <Emil> Did just that
375[01:32:52] <Emil> It worked until I added the passwd -d option iirc
376[01:33:02] <Emil> But I cannot see how it could disable home creation
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429[02:00:10] <Emil> Areplaced-url
430[02:00:13] <Emil> IT BLOODY HELL WORKS
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577[03:39:25] <drzraf> somiaj: thank you for the setgid support intent yesterday. I fixed my ACL (mis)configuration.
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654[04:27:45] <d34dbug> not sure if this is a debian live ISO thing or is it's an issue with the kingston usb I put it on, but after putting the ISO on the stick, it now says it's write protected/read only ... anyone else see this and know how to fix it? This is my first time looking at Debian rather than Ubuntu
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659[04:31:03] <d34dbug> I guess not. Thanks.
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663[04:32:01] <somiaj> d34dbug: the live image is a cdimage so the filesystem is read-only
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697[05:00:51] <aboulafia_> hi, it's late... Since I uninstall network manager on Jessie I can't begin a cinnamon session. Nice...
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718[05:12:59] <somiaj> aboulafia_: any errors? Does the display manager load?
719[05:13:15] <somiaj> aboulafia_: did any other packages get removed when you uninstalled network-manager?
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724[05:14:46] <aboulafia_> somiaj, i can only access to the login page. Yes, when i made apt-get remove network-manager, it removes other packages
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726[05:15:44] <somiaj> aboulafia_: you used apt-get (not aptitude)? What happens when you try to login/any errors?
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730[05:17:07] <aboulafia_> somiaj, when I enter my login and password, it says cinnamon error and stay on the login page
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733[05:17:55] <aboulafia_> and yes, i used apt-get. A mistaa
734[05:18:05] <aboulafia_> **mistakde ?
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738[05:19:20] <pingfloyd> aboulafia_: you probably ended up removing a meta-package in the process
739[05:19:57] <pingfloyd> aboulafia_: i.e., network manager was one of the packages of a meta-package that also kept other programs you needed on the system.
740[05:20:52] <aboulafia_> pingfloyd: sometimes i'm too confident on debian for the package managing...
741[05:20:54] <pingfloyd> aboulafia_: to fix that, simply install the missing packages back that were being kept installed by the meta-package you needed (minus the ones you want gone).
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744[05:21:11] <pingfloyd> aboulafia_: yeah, you should always see what it wants to remove before hitting Y
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746[05:21:16] <somiaj> aboulafia_: Here is a way you can get cinnimon back (though it may also reinstall network-manager) -- if so we can help you remove it.
747[05:21:44] <somiaj> aboulafia_: but hit ctrl-alt-f2, and login as root then run, "apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment"
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749[05:22:53] <somiaj> aboulafia_: if you want to invesigate more you can probably find a smaller meta packages like 'cinnamon' I also see 'cinnamon-core' (unsure of the one that best suits your needs)
750[05:23:31] <aboulafia_> thanks for your help, here is begin to be late. I'll try tomorow but I need to connect in wifi with command line.
751[05:23:32] <pingfloyd> I'd just do apt-cache depends on whatever meta-packages were included in the removal, and then install the packages of that you want.
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754[05:24:47] <aboulafia_> i'll re-install all desktop environment, if some packages are on my system, it will not overwrite them normally
755[05:25:19] <somiaj> aboulafia_: hopefully just reinstalling the de package will get what is missing and you can login
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757[05:25:42] <somiaj> aboulafia_: if you still have errors, it is sometimes user configuration. Create a new user and login with that user. A default setup may work.
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760[05:26:15] <aboulafia_> somiaj, ok. Thanks
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765[05:28:02] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: the cinnamon metapackage depends on network-manager. having the metapackage installed is good for upgrades, so that the package manager knows that you want cinnamon installed (which in the next release may add or remove packages).
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768[05:28:40] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: so if you want to use cinnamon but not network-manager, it's probably a better idea to simply disable network-manager than remove it
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772[05:30:52] <aboulafia_> jmcnaught: i only follow the debian wiki to make a manual connexion for wifi. I have big trouble with network-manager : loosing connexion or can't connect to the network
773[05:31:39] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: it's easy to disable network-manager. by default on debian network-manager will leave alone any interface that you configure in /etc/network/interfaces
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775[05:32:38] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: you may not need an internet connection to reinstall the 'cinnamon-desktop-environment' package, usually the packages will be in /var/cache/apt/archive, so apt-get will find them there
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777[05:33:43] <aboulafia_> jmcnaught: ??? if i make a apt-get install will works ?
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781[05:34:17] <jmcnaught> aboulafia_: Debian caches packages on the hard drive so they can be reinstalled without downloading them again
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784[05:35:14] <aboulafia_> jmcnaught: this save my life !
785[05:35:24] <naught101> This might seem like a stupid question, but what are the kernel image packages called in debian jessie? I don't seem to have an linux-image-* packages installed on my (working) server at all....
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791[05:36:50] <jmcnaught> naught101: linux-image-$ARCH where ARCH=amd64 for most people
792[05:37:03] <jmcnaught> naught101: "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" returns nothing?
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794[05:37:43] <naught101> jmcnaught: correct. This is a Scaleway jessie image, installed when they set up the server
795[05:37:52] <missmbob> depending on the vps you dont have any
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797[05:37:59] <missmbob> my linode vps doesnt
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799[05:38:12] <naught101> missmbob: so what does it have instead?
800[05:38:36] <missmbob> it uses the host kernel. not sure how they do it
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803[05:39:02] <tjackson> i don't see anything in the gcc-6 changelog.. anybody know if today's sid update intentionally broke -fstack-protector-strong or? bug?
804[05:39:18] <missmbob> !tell tjackson about debian-next
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806[05:39:27] <tjackson> oh ok, thx
807[05:39:29] <naught101> huh... yeah, I see now in the email they don't suggest upgrading, just modifying the boot script and rebooting
808[05:39:35] <aboulafia_> thanks for your help... time to sleep... bye
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812[05:40:08] <jmcnaught> some VPS are actually containers, running in the same kernel as the host (but a different namespace)
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818[05:43:09] <naught101> guess that must be the case with Scaleway.
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885[06:37:08] <veek> what's a good graphical tool to look at resource usage like in windows
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889[06:37:52] <gry> which resources usage, and which desktop are you using
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900[06:42:01] <veek> debian gry
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902[06:42:17] <veek> olwm desktop
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904[06:42:31] <veek> but i have a mix of kde/gnome apps installed
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911[06:46:39] <veek> cpu memory - similar to the win 10 ctrl-alt-del
912[06:46:44] <darsie> "You are using pip version 7.1.2, however version 8.1.2 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command." Should I do that?
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915[06:47:17] <jmcnaught> veek: gnome-system-monitor is like the windows task manager
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918[06:49:26] <veek> ah nice, not too many pkgs
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1017[08:01:44] <rumflump> I am using the installer from amd64 live disk. the partition management in the GUI confused me, so I used the shell and set up my partitions with partman. but it can't write the changes, I think the main installer "has control" of /dev/sdb (the install target). is there any way to get control and write the changes without having to exit the shell and re do the scheme?
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1020[08:03:06] <rumflump> s/partman/fdisk and partman/
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1030[08:06:20] <wesbl> replaced-url
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1035[08:09:18] <th0r> wesbl, to the inexperienced that would look like a youtube link
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1037[08:11:17] <bolt> rumflump: an error message would help
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1040[08:12:44] <rumflump> bolt: The ext4 file system creation in partition #3 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sdb) failed.
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1050[08:16:14] <rumflump> so fdisk worked, but partman couldn't write. so I went ahead and exited to the GUI installer and it seems to have my changes showing up there too, but on the other-other hand, I think it's having trouble with the ext4 creation both ways... does busybox have an fsck equivalent that I could/should try?
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1055[08:17:42] <RinpooChu> re
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1094[08:39:54] <rumflump> well, e2fsck sees a bazillion errors on there, but can't fix them all. hopefully the drive is ok. I guess the thing to do is start a more powerful live disc like partedmagic or ubuntu, fsck and partition the disc there, then boot and run the debian installer again?
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1109[08:46:27] <rachelfish> Is it just me or is security.debian.org going very slowly
1110[08:46:37] <rachelfish> Trying to run an apt-get update and I'm stuck at 0% for several minutes
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1117[08:48:26] <rachelfish> 100% [Waiting for headers] is displayed for a while
1118[08:48:31] <rachelfish> while doing an apt-get update
1119[08:48:36] <rachelfish> and then during apt-get upgrade I get... Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1122[08:50:02] <rachelfish> replaced-url
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1124[08:50:36] <cra1g321> rachelfish, must be doing maintainance
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1126[08:50:50] <cra1g321> also isup.me is a shorter domain than one you linked :)
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1128[08:51:00] <rachelfish> cool
1129[08:51:02] <rachelfish> :)0
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1132[08:51:25] <rachelfish> So, nobody here knows why security.debian.org is down?
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1134[08:52:24] <RinpooChu> I get command not found when I try to use cp or mv
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1136[08:53:08] <RinpooChu> or bash: /bin/mv: No such file or directory
1137[08:53:47] <cra1g321> it's /usr/bin/mv
1138[08:53:59] <cra1g321> also not sure why it's telling you command not found like that
1139[08:54:10] <RinpooChu> yea
1140[08:54:30] <RinpooChu> I simply tried to cp and mv some files
1141[08:54:43] <RinpooChu> and I get that shit
1142[08:55:22] <th0r> RinpooChu, are you sure that the error refers to the mv and cp commands, and not to the files or paths you are trying to use?
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1144[08:55:28] <RinpooChu> wtf
1145[08:55:40] <RinpooChu> when I use dir I get no such file or directory now
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1147[08:55:51] <cra1g321> im sure you can think of a better word than shit, also i had something similar to me on arch, i think it was after i installed a new kernel or systemd related
1148[08:56:02] <cra1g321> i think i just logged out and logged in again or rebooted
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1150[08:57:16] <RinpooChu> hmm I'm not getting into my server
1151[08:57:26] <ransur0t> rachelfish: ping to security.debian.org is successful ...
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1153[08:57:57] <RinpooChu> and my root dir stuff seems to be in my replaced-url
1154[08:58:04] <cra1g321> yeah it's working now rachelfish
1155[08:58:24] <RinpooChu> seems like mv moved the root dir into the replaced-url
1156[08:58:35] <RinpooChu> I'm so done right now
1157[08:58:49] <RinpooChu> what do I do?
1158[08:59:03] <RinpooChu> I cant connect to the server anymore because of that
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1162[09:01:21] <RinpooChu> Im so done for right now, I dont have the time to redo the whole server
1163[09:02:04] <RinpooChu> I don't even know how this happened I used abolute path
1164[09:02:09] <RinpooChu> +s
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1170[09:03:31] <lorenzo__> Good morning ladies and gents
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1182[09:05:36] <lorenzo__> Are there any Debian Gods out there that have a few minutes for me?
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1185[09:05:56] <evilman_work> lorenzo__: just ask the questions.
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1188[09:06:56] <RinpooChu> does anyone know what I can do now? Or is reinstalling the os my only choce left?
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1190[09:07:29] <lorenzo__> thanks, ok using debootrap to install debian live, will send a pastebin of the code i entered, but it keeps getting stuck at this particular package, libc6 2.19-18+deb8u6
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1193[09:08:08] <lorenzo__> replaced-url
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1200[09:11:22] <lorenzo__> Apologies, only read the guidelines now.
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1204[09:11:35] <gebruiker> what is the dd command to "burn" debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso on usb ?
1205[09:12:22] <Stummi> I don't think you can do this with dd
1206[09:12:37] <Stummi> gebruiker, look for wodim
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1208[09:12:52] <Mathisen> gebruiker, dd bs=4M if=name.iso of=/dev/sdb
1209[09:13:00] <Stummi> oh, usb, not cd. Then yes, just dd if=iso of=/dev/sdX
1210[09:13:11] <Stummi> or "cp name.iso /dev/sdX"
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1212[09:13:48] <Mathisen> sdb you need to change ofc
1213[09:13:55] <Mathisen> to your usb
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1239[09:22:53] <gebruiker> mate vs xfce I have tourble choosing after using them. I would appreciate hearing some input from you all. What pro and cons do you see?
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1314[09:54:23] <fossrox> hi, I'm trying to compile Texmacs under debian jessie and I get "checking for __gmpf_init in -lgmp... no, configure: error: compulsory library gmp not found", libgmp-dev libgmp10 libgmp3-dev libgmpxx4ldbl are installed on my system, does anybody have an idea what might be missing?
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1409[10:25:27] <sobczyk> what fields from debian/control support substitution variables? I've tried using in Package but it failed
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1412[10:26:18] <eumel> which fields are you speaking ofß
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1417[10:27:48] <sobczyk> eumel: "package" field
1418[10:27:59] <babilen> sobczyk: You might be interested in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
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1426[10:31:10] <Elan0a> ignore #debian quit
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1437[10:35:16] <foetus> i have a problem with incorrect terminal setting under jessie (locale "de_DE@euro") using systemd - no german umlauts. if i use sysvinit, problem is gone, but this is no solution for desktop environment. i've found a workaround by adding a script template to /etc/profile.d/ like this: echo '/bin/setupcon 2>/dev/null || true' >/etc/profile.d/systemd_setupcon.sh
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1444[10:37:43] <gebruiker> d bs=4M if=debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1 status=progress && sync does not make the usb bootable
1445[10:37:48] <gebruiker> dd*
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1450[10:39:36] <foetus> ^^ systemd workaround* is there a better solution?
1451[10:40:21] <Stummi> gebruiker, it should work. Are you sure your system tries to boot from the stick?
1452[10:40:25] <eddymode> replaced-url
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1454[10:41:58] <eddymode> Mullins presents some bare facts about the Federal Reserve System with subjects on: it IS NOT a U.S. government bank; it IS NOT controlled by Congress; it IS a privately owned Central Bank controlled by the elite financiers in their own interest.
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1456[10:42:04] <Stummi> heh. Its always easy to squeeze money out of tin foil hats
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1460[10:42:35] <eddymode> All Americans should be aware of who controls their currency because the truth is that the country can be controlled if the economy is controlled and the economy of a nation is controlled if its currency is controlled. The path to freedom lies in learning the truth. This is the role of this book.
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1463[10:43:17] <Stummi> eddymode, what has this to do with debian?
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1467[10:45:00] <eddymode> The very latest from Scott Roberts, one of the most censored men on the Internet, candidly sharing his latest thoughts: replaced-url
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1475[10:47:55] <eddymode> This time unlike all the others, an Awakening would be on a massive scale, worldwide, and thanks the to the Information Age, it wouldn't likely be forgotten.
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1477[10:48:26] <eddymode> Scott Roberts replies: "I agree. And these Jews, even the ones who troll me, damn well know it too."
1478[10:48:49] <OerHeks> !ops
1479[10:48:49] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1480[10:48:52] <eddymode> They would have nowhere to hide. That's why they're escalating their agenda at a crazy pace. That's why they have an Army of Half-Truth, Quarter-Truth, 10% Truth bastards out there.
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1482[10:49:08] <eddymode> We're in a race to the death.
1483[10:49:20] <eddymode> Scott replies: "Indeed, we are. Problem is, only the Jews know it."
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1485[10:49:28] <Iridos> !ops eddymode
1486[10:49:28] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: iridos complains about: eddymode
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1492[10:50:12] <Iridos> OerHeks, it's more efficient if you use it properly (with some info as an argument) :P
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1498[10:51:10] <OerHeks> Iridos, my bad, thank you
1499[10:51:28] <gebruiker> Stummi: yes last time I did it from ms windows ... when the stick is mounted it shows all the files
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1501[10:51:51] <olsenwyers> thanks for the link
1502[10:51:55] <olsenwyers> that talk is really good
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1519[10:56:39] <xsmltx> Hi, anyone please, how to autostart - autologin fluxbox at the boot please? Thank you.
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1522[10:57:12] <oisa> SynrG, can i message you?
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1555[11:24:35] <choice> Is it possible to grep my /var/log/apache2/access.log for ipv6 requests?
1556[11:25:00] <eumel> sure
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1558[11:25:10] <choice> eumel: What would you grep for?
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1560[11:25:25] <eumel> the address you want to know about
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1563[11:25:43] <choice> You mean the ipv6 address of the server itself?
1564[11:25:49] <choice> I doubt it would appear in the logs.
1565[11:25:57] <choice> It's ipv4 is not in the logs either.
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1568[11:26:09] <choice> I mean: I want to grep for all requests that came in via ipv6.
1569[11:26:09] <az_> if i want under ubuntu just download (not install) debian packages from specified repository and in specified version, how can i do it?
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1571[11:27:01] <eumel> @choice: try to connect to you'r apapche server with curl -6, you can check what you need to grep for then
1572[11:28:01] <choice> eumel: Good idea. Let's see.
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1574[11:28:57] <Dagger> the answer will be "v6 addresses", presumably
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1576[11:29:11] <Dagger> something like `awk '$1 ~ /:/'` should work
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1579[11:30:08] <eumel> @az_: -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
1580[11:30:22] <choice> eumel: I tried "curl -6 localhost/yuppyupp" but that only results in "::1" in the log.. hm..
1581[11:30:46] <eumel> because you're using you'r localhost's address, that's ::1 in ipv6 notation
1582[11:31:02] <choice> Yes
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1584[11:31:17] <Dagger> your* -.-
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1586[11:31:29] <eumel> so you've successfully connected via ipv6 and you can find a corresponding entry in your acces.log
1587[11:31:57] <choice> eumel: Yes. But it only leaves a "::1" which is probably not true for other ipv6 requests.
1588[11:31:57] <eumel> @Dagger: sry for my bad grammar
1589[11:32:05] <choice> So I still don't know how to find those.
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1591[11:33:17] <eumel> @choice: that's right, other people will leave "real" ipv6 addresses in your log, i'd try to get rid of the ipv4 notation with grep -v, ipv6 addresses should remain
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1596[11:34:37] <Dagger> that also works, on the assumption that apache doesn't ever log with the last 32 bits of a v6 address in v4 format
1597[11:34:38] <NCoher> SynrG, But I said I wouldn't do it again, so I know better now.
1598[11:34:43] <NCoher> So what more do you want? Why ban me?
1599[11:34:48] <Dagger> (which I think is a valid assumption, so ok)
1600[11:34:58] <choice> eumel: That gives me a trillion lines with dummy connections from ::1
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1607[11:35:18] <sep> choice, when you test with curl use the public ipv6 ip instead of localhost
1608[11:35:24] <choice> sep: How?
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1610[11:35:38] <eumel> @choice: isn't that what you wanted? all ipv6 access-entries in you'r log?
1611[11:35:46] <sep> curl -6 2001:x:y::1 instead of curl -6 localhost
1612[11:35:50] <choice> eumel: Maybe, yeah :)
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1614[11:36:12] <choice> sep: That gives me: curl: (3) IPv6 numerical address used in URL without brackets
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1617[11:36:23] <sep> choice, so use bracets
1618[11:36:31] <sep> [2001:x:y::z]
1619[11:36:43] <choice> sep: curl: (7) Couldn't connect to server
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1622[11:36:51] <eumel> ipv6 adresses in urls should be encapsulated in brackets
1623[11:36:55] <choice> That is because the machine is currently cut off from the ipv6 internt.
1624[11:37:10] <choice> That is the reason why I want to see how many people use ipv6 to access it.
1625[11:37:14] <sep> choice, i thought you was on the host in question.,..
1626[11:37:17] <choice> So I know how much of a problem it is.
1627[11:37:24] <choice> sep: Yes, I am on the host.
1628[11:37:25] <sep> ip addr and use the link local address
1629[11:37:28] <eumel> @choice: replaced-url
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1631[11:37:47] <sep> the only purpose was to get the log to show a real ipv6 address instead of ::1/localhost
1632[11:37:51] <choice> eumel: The ipv6 cutoff is datacenter wide. Not on my server.
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1635[11:38:14] <choice> Well, I'm giving up.
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1638[11:38:17] <choice> Fuck ipv6 :)
1639[11:38:31] <choice> Those ipv6 users can go use the internet elsewhere.
1640[11:38:37] <Dagger> ...what's up with this conversation?
1641[11:38:40] <sep> choice, you can also try the grep you did previously that gave you lots and lots of ::1 entries and | grep -v ::1 to get rid of the localhost connections and see the "real" ipv6 external user connections
1642[11:38:54] <choice> sep: Yup, that grep would probably work.
1643[11:39:01] <xehbit> I have the Debian cloud image running on a OpenStack (Jessie), however, when i upgrade the sources.list to testing and reboot my machine, it doenst have any network interfaces anymore (except for lo). Why is that?
1644[11:39:05] <eumel> @choice: i'd follow sep's idea, that should do the job
1645[11:39:07] <Dagger> you want all log entries using v6 addresses, so search the log file for any line where the first field has a : in it
1646[11:39:22] <xehbit> Oh, and running apt update && apt-get dist-upgrade
1647[11:39:27] <choice> Yeah, it's onle the ::1 dummy requests.
1648[11:39:30] <sep> choice, you just want to get an idea of how many users are affected by the ipv6 outage ?
1649[11:39:31] <Dagger> trying to generate your own log lines over v6 isn't going to tell you anything you don't already know
1650[11:39:43] <choice> So nobody ever connected via ipv6. So all is good.
1651[11:39:51] <choice> sep: Yeah. And learn a bit along the way.
1652[11:39:52] <Dagger> also if you have no v6 requests at all then you probably stuffed something up at some point
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1654[11:39:57] <sep> choice, do you advertice AAAA dns records ?
1655[11:40:04] <sep> for your site
1656[11:40:07] <Dagger> pretty unlikely that none of your clients have v6 these days
1657[11:40:29] <choice> Yeah, I probably never set up ipv6 DNS records for the machine.
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1659[11:40:43] <choice> Which is a blessing now, because that means I am unaffected by the outtage.
1660[11:40:57] <sep> choice, so not so strange that you have no ipv6 entries then. since your service is not ipv6 enabled really :)
1661[11:41:01] <Dagger> well go and do that once the datacenter fixes their shit :p
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1663[11:41:50] <Dagger> note that most browsers will fall back to v4 very fast (= 300ms or so) if the v6 is slow to respond, so a breakage like this often isn't a huge deal
1664[11:42:09] <Dagger> and if you also have v6, then you're somewhat isolated from any future v4-only failure too, because the v6 will still work
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1667[11:42:26] <choice> I might try it.
1668[11:42:38] <choice> So far, I never felt compelled doing it as I saw no benefit.
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1670[11:43:02] <sep> choice, a good idea to try replaced-url
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1673[11:43:56] <shifty> how to remove 'wondershaper'? is there a command to remove 'tc' stuff?
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1676[11:44:23] <eumel> @choice: i like to use "goaccess" to get a quick overview about my access logs, if you can install it (it's in the repositories) it'll may help you
1677[11:44:27] <sep> choice, depends on who and where your users are ofcourse. but if you have a global audience it's definitiftly moving into "needed" category
1678[11:44:28] <choice> sep: Yup. I have tons of hostnames. Would start tests on the less important ones first.
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1681[11:44:47] <choice> sep: I have about 1m global users.
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1684[11:44:56] <choice> So far, nobody complained.
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1686[11:45:09] <choice> By the way, this is the grep I used: grep -Ev ^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+
1687[11:45:30] <Dagger> it's your job to handle this for them, not wait for them to complain
1688[11:45:48] <choice> Right now my job is drinking a coffee.
1689[11:46:02] <choice> Jobs are so pre internet.
1690[11:46:16] <Dagger> that filters out v6 addresses for me
1691[11:46:30] <Dagger> grep -Ev ^[0-9]+\\.[0-9]+
1692[11:46:35] <Dagger> grep -Ev "^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+"
1693[11:46:46] <Dagger> both of those work on the log I was testing on
1694[11:46:52] <Dagger> or there's my awk suggestion from above
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1697[11:47:30] <choice> double backslash to escape the .?
1698[11:47:56] <choice> Seems to give me the same result.
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1701[11:48:11] <choice> I'm confused about the \\. - what does it do?
1702[11:48:24] <Dagger> single backslash to escape the . in the regex, but you need to escape the backslash itself for the shell (or quote the entire string)
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1704[11:49:06] <Dagger> if you do `echo ^[0-9]+\.[0-9]+` it'll show you the regex that `grep` received
1705[11:49:23] <choice> Funky
1706[11:49:43] <choice> Thanks
1707[11:50:19] <choice> If I had an ipv6 dns entry, I would see it in the output of dig, right?
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1709[11:50:45] <Dagger> in `dig AAAA example.com` or `host example.com`
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1711[11:51:33] <choice> Interesting.
1712[11:51:36] <diabel> Hello everyone
1713[11:51:47] <choice> Seems like not even CloudFront has ipv6 enabled by default.
1714[11:52:41] <choice> Ah, they enabled it for all new distributions two weeks ago.
1715[11:52:59] <diabel> I've got a problem (Debian jessie, updated stable
1716[11:53:12] <diabel> i have from dmesg a lot of warnings:
1717[11:53:13] <diabel> [71042.988048] xen:balloon: Cannot add additional memory (-17)
1718[11:53:13] <diabel> [71043.004063] xen:balloon: Cannot add additional memory (-17)
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1722[11:53:33] <diabel> ofcourse i've got: /etc/xen/xl.conf:autoballoon=0
1723[11:53:39] <diabel> /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp:(enable-dom0-ballooning 0)
1724[11:53:47] <diabel> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=512M,max:512M dom0_max_vcpus=1 dom0_vcpus_pin"
1725[11:53:58] <diabel> got kernel: Linux xen 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.3.5-1~bpo8+1 (2016-02-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1806[12:29:45] <juslintek> Hi can someone tell me how via php-fpm I can enabled php write via user without changing original ownership and permissions?
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1814[12:33:49] <eumel> you can't
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1817[12:34:36] <eumel> the user you're running php with must have permissions to write to files and folders, therefore you'll have to set permissions
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1821[12:37:11] <petan> hi replaced-url
1822[12:37:12] <petan> system
1823[12:37:26] <petan> why does it keep changing it? (the resolv.conf file)
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1825[12:37:54] <petan> how do I stop it? there is no network manager it's just a super lightweight installation
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1830[12:40:22] <eumel> do you have dhcpcd or some similar daemon running?
1831[12:40:42] <petan> not sure I will check, it's default installation from netinst
1832[12:40:50] <petan> but domcumentation doesn't mention that
1833[12:41:10] <petan> root 462 1 0 12:36 ? 00:00:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
1834[12:41:19] <petan> this thingie is running there, could it be it|?
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1853[12:48:55] <eumel> when you use dhclient to get an ip-address for an interface it'll also query the dns server information from the dhcp server
1854[12:49:51] <eumel> if you're required to obtain the ip-address from a dhcp server you can prevent this behaviour by modifying /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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1856[12:50:34] <eumel> there should be a request field in there that lists all options which are queried with the dhcp request
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1858[12:50:56] <eumel> somewhere around line 22
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1861[12:51:18] <petan> mhm
1862[12:51:21] <petan> it should be in docs
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1878[12:55:57] <eumel> you're right, the documentation for dhclient doesn't explicitly list this fact, neither does man dhclient
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1884[12:57:24] <n4dir> if no network-manager overrides resolv.conf, the router probably does. All routers i had hat a config for DNS server.
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1886[12:58:44] <n4dir> "dig google.de" gives: ;; SERVER: 192.168.178.1#53(192.168.178.1)
1887[12:58:44] <n4dir> ; to give an example
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1890[13:02:06] <eumel> @n4dir: dig is a tool for querying zone information from dns, having a dns server is required to use this tool
1891[13:02:18] <eumel> dig google.de will use the dns server listed in you're resolv.conf
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1894[13:03:01] <eumel> question was how to stop the system from rewriting resolv.conf
1895[13:03:05] <FinalX> your router can't overwrite /etc/resolv.conf on your computer, a piece of software on your computer does, most likely network manager or dhclient, as eumel already stated
1896[13:03:20] <eumel> .. and it's dhclient
1897[13:03:48] <eumel> @FinalX is absolutely right
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1902[13:05:34] <petan> how I restart dhcp client?
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1905[13:06:35] <petan> root@vpn:/home/petanb# systemctl | grep -c dhcp
1906[13:06:36] <petan> 0
1907[13:06:42] <n4dir> well: at least in my case either dchlient or wicd get the info from the router.
1908[13:06:50] <eumel> you can simply kill the process, but you have to configure you're interface manually then
1909[13:06:59] <petan> eh
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1911[13:07:11] <petan> I don't want to configure interface manually, I just want to configure nameserver manually
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1913[13:07:26] <petan> I removed nameserver option from dhclient config file
1914[13:07:32] <petan> now I need to restart that thing
1915[13:07:36] <petan> there is no service unit for it
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1917[13:08:11] <eumel> @petan: okay sry i mixed some other discussion, restart the network, dhclient is executed by the interface scripts when a dhcp interface is brought up
1918[13:08:20] <petan> ok
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1922[13:11:05] <eumel> @n4dir, that's right, both are getting their information from the router, but their writing it down in /etc/resolv.conf, that's the place where dig get's the default dns to query for zone informations
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1928[13:12:11] <n4dir> got you. thanks
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1930[13:12:32] <n4dir> can i overwrite the setting in the router, from the PC/laptop/etc ?
1931[13:12:44] <eumel> depends on the router
1932[13:13:08] <eumel> standard routers usually stick to the dns settings that are set by the provider
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1935[13:13:31] <n4dir> no, i meant: the router says to make use of a certain DNS server. Now i make a setting on the PC, and that DNS server is used instead.
1936[13:13:48] <n4dir> looks to me as if it wasn't possible, but i never really looked deep
1937[13:13:49] <niko> :15
1938[13:13:52] <eumel> yes, you can simply overwrite you're /etc/resolv.conf
1939[13:14:09] <mik> your*
1940[13:14:12] <n4dir> but reconnecting will overwrite it again, no?
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1942[13:14:14] <KpuCko> hello, im trying to start unpriviliged lxc container via libvirt, when i try to start the container i got error as follow: /sys/fs/cgroup: Read-only file system, can somebody help me with this/
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1946[13:14:54] <eumel> reconnecting to the network can overwrite if you're /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is configured to query dnsnames from the dhcp server in the network
1947[13:15:21] <eumel> that'll cause dhclient to start when you bring up an interface that's configured to use dhcp
1948[13:15:29] <eumel> .. and overwrite you're /etc/resolv.conf
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1950[13:15:40] <n4dir> aha, eumel, thanks
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1969[13:28:42] <pmarkoulidakis> I have a problem with ssh ipv6/ipv4. Yesterday i enebaled IPv6 on a VPS and i cant longer access via IPv4. I ve seen several bug reports for this issue but a second VPS is working just fine with same setup. I get "Connection refused" sshd is listening on ::22 and 0.0.0.0:22. iptables are flushed. Any thoughts?
1970[13:29:59] <eumel> can you try using ssh with -4 to force it using ipv4=
1971[13:30:00] <eumel> ?
1972[13:30:07] <eumel> -v could give us more details then
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2035[13:56:59] <pmarkoulidakis> Still connection refused
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2037[13:57:05] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: it has no sense, are you sure you're not doing something else there? DNS weirdness or whatever?
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2040[13:58:10] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: also ssh -vvv for both -6 and -4
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2045[14:00:34] <pmarkoulidakis> stil no luck
2046[14:00:35] <pmarkoulidakis> replaced-url
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2048[14:01:44] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: what's that?
2049[14:02:32] <pmarkoulidakis> the result of sshd start. i tried to connect still connection refused
2050[14:02:50] <pmarkoulidakis> there is no -vvv option
2051[14:03:03] <teraflops> I mean ssh -v -4 to your machine and then ssh -v -6
2052[14:03:13] <jelly> pmarkoulidakis: can you run tcpdump on the server side and see if the ipv4 traffic comes to your machine at all?
2053[14:03:17] <teraflops> -v -vvv more verbose
2054[14:03:55] <jelly> probably won't get a lot more than "connection refused" out of the client if the tcp connection is, well, refused
2055[14:04:23] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: also are you doing some kind of routing or redirection or vpn stuff?
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2059[14:05:18] <pmarkoulidakis> No routing
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2061[14:05:31] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: and you have logs there on the vps
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2063[14:06:28] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: it's a vps and youre trying to access it from *where*?
2064[14:07:27] <pmarkoulidakis> its a vps hosted on OVH and am trying to access from my office. everything was fine till yesterday. The machine was working the past 2years :D
2065[14:07:34] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: also check youre accessing the right machine/ip, sorry for being obvious
2066[14:07:46] <pmarkoulidakis> Yes i double checked this
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2069[14:08:19] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: you access it via ip address or via dns name?
2070[14:08:27] <pmarkoulidakis> Both
2071[14:08:43] <teraflops> so both fails?
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2073[14:08:56] <pmarkoulidakis> On IPv4 yes on IPV6 Both works
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2076[14:10:09] <teraflops> and the ipv4 match the dns and point to the right remote machine? sorry again for asking such things
2077[14:10:28] <pmarkoulidakis> Yes that is correct. dns records are correct :D
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2082[14:12:22] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: and the machine is reachable via ipv4 / any other services (if any) are accessible?
2083[14:12:32] <pmarkoulidakis> should i try a dpkg-reconfigure ssh??
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2085[14:13:08] <pmarkoulidakis> Yes nginx/pureftpd are all accessible via IPV4
2086[14:13:13] <teraflops> hmm
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2089[14:13:52] <teraflops> did you edit any ssh/d config by hand there? in ~/ or /etc/ ?
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2093[14:14:52] <teraflops> I never had to reconfigure ssh daemon for accessing it via ipv6/4
2094[14:15:09] <pmarkoulidakis> The only changes since yesterday: i manually added the Ipv6 address/route and kernel upgrade via apt
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2099[14:15:26] <Dagger> can you `ssh 127.0.0.1` on the server?
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2102[14:16:14] <pmarkoulidakis> Yes i can
2103[14:17:08] <teraflops> well did you flushed iptables (if you have rules), also do you have fail2ban or whatever?
2104[14:17:12] <Dagger> so it's listening on v4 at least
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2106[14:17:22] <Dagger> most likely culprit is a firewall, I guess?
2107[14:17:38] <pmarkoulidakis> I stopped fail2ban and after flushed iptables
2108[14:17:55] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: youre blocking it somehow
2109[14:18:28] <teraflops> or at least it looks like it
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2111[14:18:39] <Dagger> could you pastebin the output of `iptables-save`?
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2113[14:19:52] <pmarkoulidakis> Well
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2121[14:22:37] <biandenew> bonjour
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2125[14:24:02] <pmarkoulidakis> Well i changed ssh to a non standard port and it works.
2126[14:25:04] <candidat> hello guys !
2127[14:25:48] <pmarkoulidakis> For security reasons vodafone greece decided to block 22 25 5060 for security reasons
2128[14:25:55] <pmarkoulidakis> Am pissed off
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2134[14:26:14] <pmarkoulidakis> its a bussiness line, shouldnt they send an email or smth????
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2136[14:26:35] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: sorry they block outgoing connections to remote port 22 tcp?
2137[14:26:36] <pdo_fn14> pmarkoulidakis: bad idea ever. :))
2138[14:26:45] <pmarkoulidakis> Yes they do
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2140[14:26:55] <pmarkoulidakis> they didnt till yestrday
2141[14:27:02] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: well kill them with fire :S
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2144[14:27:46] <shtrb> anyone around that uses debian as UE in an LTE envoirment ?
2145[14:27:48] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: are you sure it's not the firewall in your vodafone router?
2146[14:28:37] <teraflops> holly cow
2147[14:28:42] <teraflops> holy*
2148[14:28:43] <pmarkoulidakis> yes its the firewall on the vodafone router. They asked me to send a "document" asking to change firewall policy
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2150[14:29:18] <pmarkoulidakis> ........
2151[14:29:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps my ssmtp just stopped working
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2153[14:29:39] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: you cannot just disable the firewall in the router admin interface?
2154[14:29:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> i try to send emails that would work a few days ago from cli and this is what i am getting ssmtp: Cannot open 74.125.136.108:587
2155[14:31:04] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: can you reach that ip/port? lol are you using vodafone?
2156[14:31:08] <teraflops> sorry heh
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2158[14:31:30] <pmarkoulidakis> No it has no interface. and there is no open port on the lan side
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2162[14:33:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> no
2163[14:33:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> ssmtp
2164[14:33:20] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: it's an outgoing connection, they are filtering the traffic to that port
2165[14:33:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> i dont think i can ping it. let me try again
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2167[14:33:44] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: if you cannot ping it try to telnet it
2168[14:33:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> no ping
2169[14:33:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2170[14:34:53] <pmarkoulidakis> its they only vps that i run ssh on a non standard port.
2171[14:35:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> nope
2172[14:35:09] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: blame your ISP
2173[14:35:18] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: nope what?
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2176[14:35:57] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: telnet 74.125.136.108 587 does not work?
2177[14:36:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> nopenope
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2179[14:36:16] <shtrb> pmarkoulidakis UK ?
2180[14:36:21] <pmarkoulidakis> Greece!
2181[14:36:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> does not work tereflops
2182[14:36:29] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: then you know why it stopped working
2183[14:36:32] <shtrb> never mind then
2184[14:36:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> :(
2185[14:36:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> do i need to open a ticket to google?
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2187[14:36:57] * Eryn_1983_FL cries for logwatch
2188[14:37:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> i want my emails back!
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2191[14:37:23] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: why?
2192[14:37:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i know what is going on in my logs and who is attacking me..
2193[14:37:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> whats been auto installed by automation
2194[14:37:55] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: that ip is from gmail?
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2196[14:38:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> its their ip
2197[14:38:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> yes
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2200[14:38:31] <teraflops> use a dns name
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2202[14:38:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am using a dns name in my configs,
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2204[14:38:53] <juslintek> Can someone help me solve php-fpm write problem on multiuser server, so php-fpm can write via directory owners user, everything works with the same user from cli php -r "mkdir(__DIR__.'uploads');", but it doesn't from web. My proof of same user: replaced-url
2205[14:38:56] <shtrb> try 66.102.1.108
2206[14:39:22] <shtrb> *for gmail
2207[14:39:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> Non-authoritative answer:
2208[14:39:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> 108.136.125.74.in-addr.arpa name = ea-in-f108.1e100.net.
2209[14:39:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2210[14:39:37] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: what's wrong with imap.gmail.com ?
2211[14:39:51] <shtrb> he needs smtp.gmail.com
2212[14:39:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok yeah i found it
2213[14:40:01] <teraflops> shtrb: whatever
2214[14:40:03] <teraflops> xD
2215[14:40:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty for making me look i shall try the smtp.gmail.com and that ip u gave
2216[14:40:19] <pmarkoulidakis> Ok i feel better now :D. Thanks for the help everyone
2217[14:40:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> i forgot there were two configs
2218[14:40:30] * teraflops *shrugs*
2219[14:40:48] <shtrb> anyone who uses LTE with debian around ?
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2221[14:41:01] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: yeah blame your ISP we all do
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2224[14:41:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> nope ssmtp.gmail.com does not work thjere..
2225[14:41:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> trying imap
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2229[14:41:54] <shtrb> you need smtp and connect over ssmtp
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2231[14:42:01] <teraflops> ssmtp.gmail.com is a typo right?
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2233[14:42:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> new error
2234[14:42:10] <shtrb> imap give you different protocols
2235[14:42:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> authorization failed with imap.gmail.com
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2237[14:42:44] <shtrb> Eryn_1983_Fl , did you try changing your DNS ?
2238[14:42:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm i figured it out i turned on the security on gmail again it works now
2239[14:42:58] <shtrb> in /etc/resolve.conf change to 8.8.8.8
2240[14:43:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i got that one in there shtrb
2241[14:43:17] <shtrb> as first one ?
2242[14:43:25] <shtrb> missed your comment it works for you now
2243[14:43:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> i turned off secure apps in gmail just put it back, which one? no shtrb
2244[14:43:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> #3?
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2254[14:50:37] <candidat> who here have a ssd hardrive and which model ?
2255[14:50:52] <jelly> !polls
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2257[14:50:53] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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2260[14:51:14] <jelly> !ask
2261[14:51:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2262[14:51:34] <jelly> candidat: try to ask about your actual issue, if you have one
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2264[14:52:01] <shtrb> Eryn_1983_FL, have google dns server as the first one (top most) in /etc/resolve.conf
2265[14:52:27] <candidat> yes jelly
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2267[14:52:37] <shtrb> regadring the config replaced-url
2268[14:52:57] <pmarkoulidakis> teraflops: i would expect some kind of warning for firewall change, its a corporate connection, moreover i have no access to their router. wh
2269[14:53:06] <shtrb> and do you ask about the ssmtp the client ? or just the protocol to gmail
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2273[14:53:32] <pmarkoulidakis> what should i say? ty vodafone for changing policy?
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2284[14:58:56] <juslintek> Can someone help me solve php-fpm write problem on multiuser server, so php-fpm can write via directory owners user, everything works with the same user from cli php -r "mkdir(__DIR__.'uploads');", but it doesn't from web. My proof of same user: replaced-url
2285[14:58:56] <juslintek> /var/log/syslog
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2290[15:00:13] <teraflops> pmarkoulidakis: movistar here filters telnet outgoing connections but if I disable the fw in the router it works
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2293[15:01:21] <pmarkoulidakis> I have no access on Vodafones router
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2298[15:01:46] <shtrb> justlintek , add both users to replaced-url
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2300[15:02:05] <teraflops> yeah you can't at least you can't as administrator.
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2333[15:17:25] <JyZyXEL> at what time does debian unattended-upgrades run?
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2339[15:20:23] <JyZyXEL> ah, its ran by /etc/cron.daily/apt
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2343[15:20:52] <jelly> !win JyZyXEL
2344[15:20:53] <dpkg> Congratulations, JyZyXEL! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island!
2345[15:20:54] <shtrb> also by systemd file (depneding on what version you have)
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2347[15:23:11] <candidat> can i ask a question ?
2348[15:23:19] <greycat> !ask
2349[15:23:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2350[15:24:06] <Iridos> yes, but only one per day… oops, seems you just used it up
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2356[15:26:12] <candidat> does anybody wants to talk about debian linux on skype ?
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2359[15:27:24] <candidat> why do only root can chown ?
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2361[15:27:52] <greycat> Because giving away your files is either incredibly stupid from a security POV, or allows you to bypass quotas, which is also stupid just from the other direction.
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2363[15:28:19] <Iridos> even more true for taking over someone else's files
2364[15:28:47] <greycat> That's so far beyond stupid that I didn't even mention it.
2365[15:29:00] <candidat> oh i understand now
2366[15:29:07] <candidat> thanks
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2377[15:32:03] <Agiofws> hello
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2380[15:33:17] <Agiofws> i have installed gnome3 with debian 8.6 netinstall but due to 3d accel that gnome3 needs and probably gdm3 i get a whoops somethings went wrong can anyone help me fix this issue of my onbiard gfx card?
2381[15:33:21] <greycat> Some non-Linux systems allow users to give away their files. HP-UX 10.20 does. Debian (or any other Linux) does not.
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2383[15:33:41] <Agiofws> hello greycat
2384[15:33:47] <candidat> hello greycat
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2388[15:34:30] <Agiofws> replaced-url
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2390[15:34:44] <Agiofws> i think i'll take a llok in notes i think i stored something tehre
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2393[15:35:01] <greycat> why would you need a paste site for one line of output...
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2397[15:35:33] <greycat> ... and not even a PCI ID which is the only thing we want to see
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2399[15:35:39] <greycat> lspci -nn | grep VGA
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2404[15:36:18] <Agiofws> a sec
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2406[15:36:42] <Agiofws> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1902] (rev 06) there you go
2407[15:36:52] <greycat> judd, pciid 8086:1902
2408[15:36:53] <judd> [8086:1902] is 'HD Graphics 510' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2410[15:37:21] <greycat> If the jessie driver doesn't work well enough out of the box, you can try jessie-backports.
2411[15:37:28] <greycat> Many intel users found that to be helpful.
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2415[15:38:16] <Agiofws> does that mean backported packages or just a backported kernel or both|?
2416[15:38:28] <greycat> just the xserver-xorg-video-intel package
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2418[15:38:40] <Agiofws> backport means compiling somthing from stretch to stable ?
2419[15:38:46] <greycat> !jessie-backports
2420[15:38:46] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
2421[15:38:47] <yepla> hello, i have a problem with my usb display adapter. This is my xorg.conf: replaced-url
2422[15:38:51] <yepla> (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
2423[15:39:07] <yepla> root@desktop:/home/yepla# ls -al /dev/fb*
2424[15:39:07] <yepla> crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Oct 20 03:51 /dev/fb0
2425[15:39:10] <greenit> hi, is there still a site where i can see the current state of a package in the repos? I know there was a nice overview where you could search the package, get the current status (errors which are holding the package back), the time it is already in unstable, min time it takes to get to testing and the current versions in the different branches
2426[15:39:41] <greycat> greenit: the "why is ___ not in testing" web site stopped updating in July, and this channel doesn't know why. Ask the testing support channel.
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2430[15:41:14] <greenit> greycat: ok, this was not specifically for testing, it was similar to packages.debian.org and i believe that it was later renamed to packages.debian.net (had a weird name before), but this site is down for maintenance... for some days now
2431[15:42:02] <Agiofws> greycat, i already had this line in sources.lst deb replaced-url
2432[15:42:20] <Agiofws> i mean deb replaced-url
2433[15:42:37] <Agiofws> dpkg, bdo
2434[15:42:39] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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2437[15:43:10] <greycat> Agiofws: apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel
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2445[15:43:53] <polemic> is it possible to use a bash alias to add additional functionality to an existing command? (e.g. foo is installed and I want to add an alias for "foo bar")?
2446[15:44:08] <greycat> Is foo "git"?
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2448[15:44:13] <polemic> no
2449[15:44:16] <Akuli> you could do foo-bar
2450[15:44:17] <greycat> Is foo node.js?
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2452[15:44:24] <polemic> foo is beets
2453[15:44:40] <greycat> Is beets an external command, or a function defined in your .bashrc by something *like* node.js?
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2455[15:44:53] <Agiofws> greycat, replaced-url
2456[15:44:54] <polemic> beets is an external command
2457[15:45:02] <greycat> OK, then you can write a wrapper function.
2458[15:45:03] <ChrisH> polemic: Using the real example might make it easier to understand
2459[15:45:19] <Agiofws> i left the line as is and did not delete the "non free" section
2460[15:45:26] <greycat> beets() { if [[ $1 = bar ]]; then ...; else commands beets "$@"; fi; }
2461[15:45:37] <polemic> thank you greycat :)
2462[15:45:55] <greycat> "command beets", not "commands beets" :(
2463[15:46:11] <Agiofws> should i try to reboot?
2464[15:46:11] <polemic> thanks
2465[15:46:30] <greycat> Agiofws: after installing a new xserver-xorg-video-intel, yeah, you probably want to reboot.
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2467[15:46:36] <Agiofws> cool
2468[15:46:48] <Agiofws> thank you again
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2470[15:47:03] <Braven> hello everyone
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2472[15:47:38] <Braven> greycat: I figured it out
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2479[15:51:17] <polemic> greycat, that worked. Thank you v. much!
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2483[15:52:41] <Braven> SSSD on linux server was updating the DNS record
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2485[15:53:05] <greycat> You have sssd on Debian?
2486[15:53:18] <jelly> that's a somewhat unusual setup
2487[15:53:51] <yepla> someone can help me ?
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2489[15:54:42] <greycat> The only reason I've even *heard* of sssd is because once upon a time some internal probing thingy said my probed machine was bad because it had sssd and I was like "Duh, no it doesn't, you just made that shit up because you saw "Linux" and assumed I had it installed."
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2491[15:54:49] <jelly> (but yeah, there's sssd, pam, nss, ldap, kerberos, the whole shebang)
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2493[15:55:19] <Braven> yeap
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2495[15:55:22] <greycat> And that ends my knowledge of sssd.
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2497[15:55:45] <Braven> all I had to do is add this to dyndns_update=false in /etc/sssd/sssd.conf
2498[15:55:56] <greycat> I'm glad you found your answer.
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2514[16:02:20] <Braven> Thanks GreyCat and Jelly for your help. These guys are masters at this. I seen them in multiple chats and they are always willing to help people out.
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2518[16:03:17] <adac> how can I disable dialogs with apt-get?
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2528[16:05:36] <KpuCko> adac export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
2529[16:05:37] <KpuCko> apt-get -y install [packagename]
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2538[16:09:07] <adac> KpuCko, the first one did the trick
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2540[16:09:11] <adac> thanks
2541[16:09:30] <KpuCko> you are welcome
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2577[16:21:16] <candidat> hello, i have a problem, how do you make a script in linux command that make two folder with a file. a file that is saved and incremented by the newer file. ?
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2579[16:21:52] <greycat> You've lost me. You're making two directories, so there *aren't* any files to start with.
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2581[16:22:47] <greycat> Is there some pre-existing file, outside of your two new directories, which plays a role in this question?
2582[16:23:22] <candidat> just a txt file
2583[16:23:47] <greycat> What's in it, and what do you want to do with it?
2584[16:24:22] <bolt> smells like a homework assignment :)
2585[16:24:33] <greycat> No, not stupid enough for homework yet.
2586[16:24:39] <bolt> just wait
2587[16:24:41] <greycat> If we see "But I'm not allowed to use ____" then it's homework.
2588[16:24:45] <babilen> :D
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2590[16:24:51] <babilen> You gave the game away now ;)
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2595[16:27:15] <petn-randall> Hahahaha :D
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2599[16:27:34] <greycat> petn-randall: Oh, this is incredibly lightweight compared to what we get in #bash.
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2601[16:27:44] <candidat> i want to make a list of files to save and archive as tar. new tar files would be added but the newest will have the first place in their name... and yes its a damn homework lol
2602[16:27:58] <bolt> told you.
2603[16:28:00] <RinpooChu> which / dirs do I need to backup in case I get problems and need to roll back? I just want to slam everything on a new install without having to manually do anything
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2606[16:28:26] <candidat> i dont understand
2607[16:28:37] <candidat> just give me which commands to use
2608[16:28:40] <greycat> Well, *I* definitely don't understand your question at all.
2609[16:28:40] <candidat> and i will search it
2610[16:28:46] <RinpooChu> I'm trying to create a rsync script to backup my deb8s erver
2611[16:28:59] <RinpooChu> server
2612[16:29:03] <greycat> Is the original homework question in English? If it is, just point us to the actual question.
2613[16:29:26] <bolt> !tell RinpooChu about things to backup
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2615[16:29:41] <babilen> candidat: The first step would be a precise description of what you are trying to achieve.. but the nature of homework is that you are expected to figure things out. It is typically a more important lesson to learn *how* to solve a problem, rather than figuring out the exact steps.
2616[16:29:48] <babilen> You learn methods to approach problems
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2618[16:30:00] <babilen> Not ready made solutions that you can apply later
2619[16:30:15] <greycat> If the homework is for "a bash course" then what you usually learn is how to make scripts that fail horribly.
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2623[16:31:35] <babilen> RinpooChu: You might want to look at dirvish, rsnapshot or rdiff-backup
2624[16:31:39] <petn-randall> babilen: No, you misunderstand. candidat is trying to teach *us* new things, which is why we're doing their homework.
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2626[16:31:55] <RinpooChu> do they work with cygwin?
2627[16:32:10] <bolt> does anyone?
2628[16:32:21] <babilen> RinpooChu: You run cygwin on Debian?
2629[16:32:29] <RinpooChu> I need to get the backup though ssh to my win7 clien
2630[16:32:31] <RinpooChu> t
2631[16:32:39] <greycat> Stop using a win7 client. Problem solved.
2632[16:32:45] <RinpooChu> I cant
2633[16:32:49] <RinpooChu> problem not solved
2634[16:32:54] <greycat> *shrug*
2635[16:32:56] <greycat> Not a debian problem, then.
2636[16:33:01] <RinpooChu> need win7 for my work
2637[16:33:07] <babilen> ##windows or #cygwin might have an idea
2638[16:33:13] <RinpooChu> that's why I use cygwin
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2641[16:33:24] <bolt> RinpooChu: ssh to your server from cygwin, run a tar command there and pipe the results back to your win7 client for storage. done.
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2644[16:33:55] <RinpooChu> well I'm trying to do that with rsync
2645[16:33:58] <babilen> I believe that RinpooChu wants to create a backup of the Windows box
2646[16:34:09] <greycat> s/to your server/to the new intermediate backup-holding server that you set up to sit in between your server and your MS abomination client/
2647[16:34:20] <RinpooChu> no I want to backup my deb8 server on to my client pc
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2649[16:34:28] <RinpooChu> which is mainly win7
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2651[16:34:45] <greycat> I'm afraid to ask what the *other* body parts are from.
2652[16:34:50] <candidat> save the newest files in a .tar
2653[16:34:51] <candidat> the .tar must not be overwritten saving after saving . they must be named in function of the date of saving
2654[16:34:53] <babilen> RinpooChu: The result is just data... even Windows won't corrupt it
2655[16:35:04] <greycat> candidat: newer than what?
2656[16:35:10] <bolt> well, except permissions, if the files ever leave the cygwin environment
2657[16:35:15] <greycat> what makes a file qualify to be saved into the tar archive?
2658[16:35:44] <RinpooChu> So I'd use a script to tar all folders on the server and then use a script from cygwin to copy the tar ont my client pc
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2660[16:35:50] <candidat> nothing there is like 3 or 4 files
2661[16:35:53] <candidat> txt
2662[16:35:59] <greycat> candidat: so you want to back up *all* of the files?
2663[16:36:09] <candidat> yeah that s the idea !
2664[16:36:24] <greycat> candidat: so the only hard part is coming up with the name of the tar file?
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2666[16:36:49] <babilen> RinpooChu: The copying part is not really related to the creation of the backup. Some backup solutions might be able to write directly over SSH or similar things, but you are essentially creating the backup and then copy it somewhere else in one of the many different approaches
2667[16:36:50] <RinpooChu> I want to just slam the backup onto the server without doing anything manually in case something goes wrong
2668[16:36:55] <bolt> RinpooChu: you can pipe the results of tar through ssh, so you don't have to store the entire thing on the server. and you can compress it on either side depending on network/cpu/disk overheads
2669[16:36:55] <RinpooChu> kind of like rollback
2670[16:37:02] <candidat> yes i dont know the command that will do that. i know the first part which is tar -zxvf the file to save the destination of the file
2671[16:37:23] <greycat> candidat: don't worry about *commands* at this point. We're still trying to figure out what the *goal* is.
2672[16:37:27] <martman> im running a configure script that keeps failing with "checking for patch... no"
2673[16:37:28] <bolt> RinpooChu: in that case, you need an entire disk image
2674[16:37:31] <martman> i have patch installed
2675[16:37:34] <martman> i can run patch
2676[16:37:43] <RinpooChu> well can;t get that
2677[16:37:52] <greycat> candidat: Are you supposed to create a whole new tar file for each backup? With a datestamp in its name?
2678[16:38:00] <bolt> RinpooChu: why?
2679[16:38:07] <babilen> RinpooChu: In that case you won't be able to have a "one click, works" solution
2680[16:38:09] <RinpooChu> so next best thing is to isntall deb and just overwrite everything with the backup
2681[16:38:10] <candidat> yes with datestamp in it s name that right
2682[16:38:16] <candidat> greycat, correct
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2685[16:38:26] <RinpooChu> or wont that wok?
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2687[16:38:28] <RinpooChu> work?
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2689[16:38:37] <greycat> candidat: tar czvf /backup/directory/backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tar.gz dir1 dir2
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2692[16:39:44] <greycat> But I bet your homework assignment wants something *more complicated* because that is what idiotic professors expect.....
2693[16:39:49] <bolt> RinpooChu: have you considered a virtual machine? or simply running a base install, putting another system on top in a chroot and experimenting inside of that?
2694[16:40:21] <greycat> (The goal of these professors is not to write a script that does a sensible thing in a sensible way, but rather to make you do a crapload of work.)
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2697[16:41:17] <RinpooChu> I'm not sure do you mean on my client pc or run the virtual os on my server?
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2699[16:41:25] <bolt> people need to stop writing convenient tools, so that getting stuff done remains hard and student assignments will take time without having to enforce unreasonable restrictions
2700[16:41:26] <bolt> RinpooChu: either
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2703[16:41:55] <RinpooChu> I did learn with a virtual os on my client before I made my server
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2706[16:42:20] <babilen> candidat: Be prepared to explain your solution
2707[16:42:26] <babilen> Well .. "your" solution
2708[16:42:29] <RinpooChu> but I dont really have the time for a lot of experimenting anymore
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2710[16:42:46] <candidat> greycat, that s right but its to make us learn how to do it
2711[16:43:01] <greycat> candidat: replaced-url
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2713[16:43:15] <converge> im trying to remote login in ssh, and getting "permission denied" on root and non root user. anyone knows whats wrong ?
2714[16:43:39] <babilen> converge: Are you running jessie on the remote box?
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2716[16:43:55] <converge> babilen: yes, both box are debian
2717[16:43:59] <babilen> converge: And are you login in with a key or password?
2718[16:44:06] <MikeDebian> root ssh login may be disabled by default
2719[16:44:09] <converge> babilen: using a password
2720[16:44:11] <babilen> They are
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2723[16:44:33] <babilen> converge: Okay, what happens when you run "ssh -vvvvv youruser@thebox" ?
2724[16:44:46] <babilen> And you are sure the password is correct?
2725[16:45:23] <MikeDebian> babilen, check /etc/passwd and verify if the non root user has /bin/bash set
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2727[16:45:42] <MikeDebian> sorry, converge I mean
2728[16:45:49] <candidat> greycat, im looking...
2729[16:45:54] <candidat> ty
2730[16:45:56] <greycat> Is the permission denied coming from the client, or the server?
2731[16:46:11] <greycat> That's a *very* strange message to see from an ssh command.
2732[16:46:22] <babilen> It is
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2735[16:46:30] <babilen> (which is why I'd like to see some detailed output)
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2737[16:46:49] <converge> I'll gist it, 1min
2738[16:46:51] <greycat> I can get "Permission denied, please try again." by intentionally failing a password.
2739[16:46:57] <babilen> converge: Could you paste a (potentially anonymised variant) to replaced-url
2740[16:47:26] <babilen> Or gist it .. :)
2741[16:47:37] <babilen> brb
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2743[16:48:10] <greycat> So, I suppose "Permission denied, please try again." could also result from an account with an invalid shell, etc. (as MikeDebian suggested)
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2746[16:49:34] <bolt> there's a pam_shell or whatever it's called that requires the user's login shell to be in /etc/shells
2747[16:49:45] <greycat> *nod*
2748[16:49:47] <bolt> (in case a non-standard one was used)
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2750[16:50:46] <converge> here is the -vvvvv output
2751[16:50:46] <converge> replaced-url
2752[16:51:03] <converge> the password is right, check it twice
2753[16:51:04] <greycat> of course the command is hidden :( :(
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2755[16:51:12] <converge> *checked
2756[16:51:18] <RinpooChu> I think I'm gonna switch to a managed server
2757[16:52:12] <greycat> converge: so... you've got a DSA key, it was rejected, you were prompted for a password, and the password was rejected.
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2759[16:52:37] <greycat> err, no, I misread this
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2761[16:52:53] <greycat> the DSA key was a host key that was verified
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2766[16:53:20] <khudher_> hello, sometimes my debian hangs on shut down
2767[16:53:27] <greycat> you've got an RSA key, rejected, password, rejected
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2769[16:53:29] <khudher_> it happens frequently, how can i troubleshoot?
2770[16:53:31] <converge> Im logged in a digital ocean server, trying to connect (ssh) in my local server
2771[16:53:51] <khudher_> "kvm virtualization", "entering system sleep state S5" and then it hangs
2772[16:54:05] <greycat> Does the user account on the "local server" have a nonstandard shell?
2773[16:54:28] <converge> greycat: no.. it's a normal user
2774[16:55:02] <greycat> Were you expectin the RSA key to work, and you're asking why you were prompted for a password? Or are you asking why the password didn't work?
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2777[16:56:20] <converge> greycat: Im asking why password didnt work..
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2781[16:56:26] <converge> this is my sshd_config, replaced-url
2782[16:56:48] <greycat> You've going to have to look in /var/log/auth.log (or similar) on the "local server". The server will not tell the client why authentication is being denied.
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2790[16:58:54] <converge> auth.log doesnt show up my login attempts, now it looks like it's a firewall/nat problem hitting the wrong machine
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2792[16:59:49] <greycat> That's pretty alarming, especially considering that you've got a validated host key in known_hosts.
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2796[17:00:35] <converge> greycat: youre right, the box im trying to loggin, is the only one on 2222 port (ssh)
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2798[17:02:13] <greycat> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version ROSSSH
2799[17:02:39] <greycat> That's definitely not normal.
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2802[17:03:20] <greycat> If you connected to an OpenSSH server it should look something like debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_6.8
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2808[17:05:44] <Kingsy> I accidently deleted my dovecot folder in /etc/ when I try to reinstall with apt-get it says its Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf for example.. how can I force it to totally reinstall the package from scratch?
2809[17:05:48] <Kingsy> I tried --reinstall
2810[17:05:56] <greycat> !confmiss
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2812[17:06:09] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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2815[17:06:35] <Kingsy> greycat: can I do it through apt-get? just curious
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2817[17:06:41] <greycat> Dunno. Probably.
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2819[17:07:04] <Kingsy> ah Is ee
2820[17:07:07] <Kingsy> its the same syntax
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2832[17:08:04] <Kingsy> meh that didnt work either.. same output
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2844[17:09:09] <greycat> Next thing I would try would be manually installing with dpkg -i --force-confmiss
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2852[17:10:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> that should work… the other default way is to purge the package, then install it again
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2854[17:10:26] <Kingsy> ok
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2859[17:11:19] <converge> greycat: thanks for your help, it was a firewall problem
2860[17:11:23] <Kingsy> thaty worked.
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2862[17:11:54] <greycat> converge: You may want to check that known_hosts entry too.
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2864[17:12:38] <greycat> Getting MITM'ed by your own firewall is pretty bad.
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2870[17:14:25] <converge> greycat: what do you mean..?
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2877[17:15:14] <greycat> You had a known_hosts entry containing what your client believed was a valid key for this host you thought you were connecting to. Turns out you were connecting to the wrong place. But your known_hosts entry was useless.
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2880[17:16:23] <converge> greycat: got it, ill check it
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2906[17:29:25] <hang> hello expert..
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2909[17:30:26] <hang> need help regarding eth0 didnt up by auto
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2913[17:31:46] <tim_s007> hi
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2915[17:32:08] <tim_s007> how can i find out the correct size of non correct working sd cards?
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2917[17:32:29] <tim_s007> like if the sdcard says it has 16GB but has infact 2
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2919[17:32:56] <tim_s007> i want to know its real size to use it nomether this problem
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2933[17:37:38] <hang> ahh debian network is unreachable
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2935[17:37:42] <hang> jhmmm
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2937[17:38:01] <MrTopless> Can someone help me solve php-fpm write problem on multiuser server, so php-fpm can write via directory owners user, everything works with the same user from cli php -r "mkdir(__DIR__.'uploads');", but it doesn't from web. My proof of same user: replaced-url
2938[17:38:01] <MrTopless> /var/log/syslog if I set permissions 777 to whole directory it uploads files creates dir, but as replaced-url
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2960[17:45:43] <jelly> MrTopless: what does "id -a useris" say?
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2962[17:46:10] <MrTopless> jelly: uid=1000(useris) gid=1000(useris) groups=1000(useris),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(replaced-url
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2964[17:46:34] <jelly> ok, so it seems to match uid and gid in php
2965[17:46:51] <MrTopless> yeah its already pasted in additional info pastebin
2966[17:47:10] <jelly> MrTopless: which debian release is this?
2967[17:47:35] <MrTopless> Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
2968[17:48:11] <MrTopless> jessie
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2970[17:48:40] <MrTopless> its just that I'm using replaced-url
2971[17:49:10] <MrTopless> replaced-url
2972[17:49:25] <missmbob> !dotdeb
2973[17:49:25] <dpkg> replaced-url
2974[17:49:28] <jelly> ouch
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2976[17:49:45] <jeltz> Does apt-cache show an installed package or a package in the repos?
2977[17:50:12] <MrTopless> But I want php7.0 and debian has none :-( PHP 7.0.9-1~dotdeb+8.1 (cli) ( NTS )
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2981[17:50:40] <missmbob> jeltz: yeah unfortunately we cant support them because it's crap. you'll have to ask them
2982[17:50:47] <missmbob> MrTopless: that was for you
2983[17:51:10] <jelly> jeltz: both.
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2986[17:51:27] <jeltz> jelly: ok, thanks
2987[17:51:37] <jelly> every available version, including the currently installed if any
2988[17:51:47] <MrTopless> How to check with apt-cache I'm doing any comand in the list none shows yet :-D
2989[17:51:50] <MrTopless> 6 left to go
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2991[17:51:57] <Rico> hello
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2996[17:52:22] <Rico> can somebody please tell me the right syntax to add a route with iproute2 commands in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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2998[17:52:41] <MrTopless> apt-cache unmet?
2999[17:52:43] <Rico> I'm trying things for hours and the only thing I get is "networking[3741]: Failed to bring up eth1."
3000[17:52:57] <MrTopless> jelly, should I type in apt-cache unmet?
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3003[17:53:26] <jelly> MrTopless: sorry, what?
3004[17:53:38] <MrTopless> jelly, which repo should I use for php7.0?
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3007[17:54:05] <jelly> MrTopless: I don't know of any other repo with php7 for jessie, sorry
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3011[17:54:52] <MrTopless> P.S. About outsourced repos: php-fpm is not in there: replaced-url
3012[17:55:05] <jeltz> How can I see a list of held packages?
3013[17:55:09] <greycat> it's called php5-fpm in Debian
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3015[17:55:18] <greycat> jeltz: dpkg -l | grep ^h
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3017[17:55:35] <jelly> MrTopless: I have no idea where that output comes from or what it's supposed to mean
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3020[17:55:57] <cybiko123> MrTopless: dotdeb.org?
3021[17:56:02] <MrTopless> jelly, it comes from apt-cache unmet | grep dotdeb
3022[17:56:16] <jeltz> OK. So I get the 'E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.' error but I didn't hold any packages?
3023[17:56:19] <cybiko123> Oh, derp
3024[17:56:28] <greycat> Why do people show the output of a command but not the command? :( :(
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3026[17:56:37] <MrTopless> jelly, it might mean, that my installed php-fpm is from official repo.
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3028[17:56:45] <jelly> ,v php-fpm
3029[17:56:46] <judd> Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+45; stretch: 1:7.0+45
3030[17:56:50] <jelly> ,v php5-fpm
3031[17:56:51] <judd> Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u5; jessie: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.26+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.26+dfsg-1
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3033[17:57:34] <missmbob> greycat: i dont know i stopped caring about this one
3034[17:58:00] <greycat> It's not just this one person though. It's a trend.
3035[17:58:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe it's all the rage now
3036[17:58:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> which means something like: makes you angry
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3040[17:59:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> this is the first time I hear about "apt-cache unmet" … and apt-cache unmet | wc -l --> 20327
3041[17:59:31] <jelly> greycat: all the command | pastebintool tools do it
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3044[18:00:33] <jelly> perhaps a "set -x; command 2>&1 | pastebintool; set +x" would be a simple solution
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3046[18:00:54] <greycat> jelly: yes, understood... didn't think replaced-url
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3058[18:02:55] <greycat> jelly: even set -x won't catch everything in the original command (e.g. shell redirections are not shown)
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3060[18:03:19] <greycat> And pipelines are shown as separate commands, and so on.
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3062[18:03:48] <MrTopless> jelly, okay so php-fpm is not from dotdeb and I'm using php5.6
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3064[18:03:59] <MrTopless> And still same problem, so whats next?
3065[18:04:35] <greycat> php-fpm is only in stretch and sid, so it's not on topic here.
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3072[18:05:50] <MrTopless> okay, then whats next then?
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3077[18:06:29] <MrTopless> How can I make that php-fpm not convert user to replaced-url
3078[18:06:36] <Agiofws> greycat, gnome3 and gdm3 still won't run with the apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel what else can i do ?
3079[18:06:57] <Agiofws> so i have to install a bdo kernel as well?
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3082[18:07:28] <greycat> Agiofws: google for your exact card and see if you can find someone else who had your problem and found a solution
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3086[18:08:14] <jelly> MrTopless: the answer is probably "configure php5-fpm correctly"
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3088[18:08:27] <greycat> except he's not using php5-gpm
3089[18:08:31] <greycat> except he's not using php5-fpm either
3090[18:08:39] <MrTopless> I'm using both
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3092[18:08:55] <missmbob> never heard of someone installing dotdeb crap on stretch/sid.
3093[18:08:57] <Agiofws> judd, pciid 8086:1902
3094[18:08:58] <jelly> MrTopless: which API are you using, what does phpinof() say when called from web?
3095[18:08:59] <judd> [8086:1902] is 'HD Graphics 510' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
3096[18:09:01] <MrTopless> php5-fpm and php7.0-fpm from dotdeb
3097[18:09:13] <Agiofws> am i looking for 'HD Graphics 510 ? greycat ?
3098[18:09:13] <greycat> christ on a stick
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3102[18:09:58] <jelly> MrTopless: it's not possible to use both for the same URL, figure out which one you have active for the relevant VirtualHost and URL
3103[18:10:00] <MrTopless> On one dev2 site its php5.6 and on dev1 site its php 7.0.9, I've set apache vhosts for each domain to listen on different socks
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3105[18:10:15] <MrTopless> one sock is from php5 other from php7
3106[18:10:24] <MrTopless> different php-fpms as well
3107[18:10:30] <MrTopless> one from dotdeb other yours
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3109[18:10:33] <MrTopless> still same problem.
3110[18:10:39] <greycat> Well, focus on the php5 one first, because that one MIGHT actually be on topic in this channel since it's actually IN debian.
3111[18:10:39] <jelly> and probably find someone what knows about fpm config (not me ;-)
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3117[18:11:01] <greycat> Although you may end up having to ask ##php
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3119[18:11:06] <MrTopless> Well #php guys already know nothing.
3120[18:11:10] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: i tried looking at your pastes from earlier, but they were gone so...
3121[18:11:22] <morf> MrTopless: look how the fpm pools are configured
3122[18:11:25] <morf> it's quite simple
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3125[18:12:08] <MrTopless> I've just doubled checked all are present
3126[18:12:12] <morf> you can set user / group
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3128[18:12:30] <morf> i have multiple fpm pools ... dev / stable / for users it's working
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3131[18:12:43] <MrTopless> they are configured perfectly I have other server which is working for some reason and configs are the same
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3135[18:12:47] <MrTopless> but the server is on centos
3136[18:12:47] <Agiofws> Graphics: Card: Intel Device 1902
3137[18:12:52] <morf> ok sry
3138[18:13:01] <MrTopless> Its an anomaly
3139[18:13:08] <morf> there are two settings one for socket one for process
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3141[18:13:15] <morf> maybe check if you changed both
3142[18:13:22] <morf> gl
3143[18:13:49] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: may i see your php5-fpm pool conf and apache virtualhost? or are you just complaining now?
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3146[18:14:04] <MrTopless> Added my problem to this pastebin: replaced-url
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3151[18:14:41] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: you don't like to make it easy eh?
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3153[18:14:45] <MrTopless> I've posted everything on 18:38:01 in GMT+2
3154[18:14:55] <sergi> hello debien pro
3155[18:15:04] <jelly> MrTopless: it's 18:14 in that timezone now.
3156[18:15:13] <missmbob> in aditional info "unmet debs" should've been listed. "i'm running stretch/sid with dotdeb"
3157[18:15:13] <Agiofws> greycat, should i try adding nouveau.modeset=0 in grub boot line?
3158[18:15:20] <sergi> it is secure to install wine32 on amd64 computer
3159[18:15:30] <greycat> why would nouveau be relevant to an INTEL graphic chip?
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3163[18:16:00] <MrTopless> Okay maybe its because of daylight savings GMT+3
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3169[18:16:45] <MrTopless> As well at 19:14:05 GMT+3 I've pasted all my problem with all configs
3170[18:17:05] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: sorry your urls in your paste have semicolons and i don't feel like manually selecting them or searching the backlog. If you rephrase your question with valid URLs i might take a look
3171[18:17:19] * jelly scrolls back instead of jmcnaught
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3173[18:17:21] <MrTopless> okay no problem :-)
3174[18:18:38] <missmbob> serban: yes
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3176[18:18:46] <missmbob> sergi: yes
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3179[18:19:24] <sergi> thanks missmbob
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3182[18:19:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> well… bugs.debian.org/php-fpm … be the first
3183[18:19:43] <sergi> tchao
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3189[18:20:02] <Agiofws> greycat, would you advise me to follow this article replaced-url
3190[18:20:08] <chromity-ux> okay
3191[18:20:10] <jelly> installing is secure. _Using it_ to run potentially insecure software, however...
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3195[18:20:43] <Agiofws> If you’re on the Debian stable release, you’re currently using the more‐than‐a‐year‐old 2.21.15 driver. The older driver does not support Intel’s most recent graphics cards and you’ll either have a non‐functioning graphics driver or serious performance problems. Luckily, you can easily upgrade the graphics driver running on Debian stable (currently “Jessie”) to the testing version (currently “Stretch”) a
3196[18:20:43] <Agiofws> nd leave the rest of your system on Debian stable.
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3198[18:21:10] <Agiofws> would you recommend this practice?
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3202[18:21:51] <missmbob> no. xserver-xorg-video-intel is in jessie-backports. use that
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3205[18:22:04] <missmbob> mixing stable and testing is stupid.
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3207[18:22:35] <Agiofws> ok i'm looking at the comments its not a good solution
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3209[18:22:44] <missmbob> it's awful
3210[18:22:46] <MrTopless> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3211[18:22:47] <jelly> Agiofws: are you quoting an article from June 2015?
3212[18:22:48] <Agiofws> but it still does not work
3213[18:22:50] <MrxCyberX> Hi
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3215[18:22:58] <Agiofws> yeah i can see that now...
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3217[18:23:06] <jelly> Agiofws: it was decent advice at THAT TIME
3218[18:23:20] <jelly> now, however, fuck no
3219[18:23:26] <missmbob> Agiofws: replaced-url
3220[18:23:28] <MrxCyberX> Good evening
3221[18:23:38] <TIFON> hi
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3228[18:24:45] <Agiofws> missmbob, i've already used the xorg driver from backports which does not work
3229[18:24:53] <jelly> Agiofws: if your hardware is not (fully) supported and you need to upgrade x-x-video-intel from jessie-backports, you WILL also want to get linux-image-amd64, any firmware you need, and libgl1-mesa-dri from the same jessie-backports as well.
3230[18:24:55] <Agiofws> maybe i should upgrade my kernel aswell
3231[18:24:59] <Agiofws> Unpacking linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (3.16.36-1+deb8u2) over (3.16.36-1+deb8u1)
3232[18:25:13] <MrxCyberX> Kontol
3233[18:25:15] <missmbob> Agiofws: i haven't been following your story. but yes, do what jelly said
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3235[18:26:01] <overoxeide> njirr :3
3236[18:26:06] <jelly> !xorg skylake
3237[18:26:06] <dpkg> Enable <jessie-backports> with included <non-free sources>. apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri
3238[18:26:09] <jelly> Agiofws: ^^
3239[18:26:11] <Agiofws> jelly, apt-get install -t jessie-backports libgl1-mesa-dri ?
3240[18:26:26] <Agiofws> WOW
3241[18:26:27] <Agiofws> :)
3242[18:27:05] <MrxCyberX> Semprot.com
3243[18:27:07] <jelly> so maybe it takes me 5 minutes to remember the factiod exists
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3249[18:28:18] <TIFON> why only a few are active
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3254[18:28:51] <gray0panda> TIFON: different timezone?
3255[18:29:03] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: how have you confirmed that the php is actually running as useris?
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3258[18:29:17] <rysiek|pl> I am having a weird issue:
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3260[18:29:20] <rysiek|pl> # ls -l /dev/mapper/video
3261[18:29:21] <rysiek|pl> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Oct 20 18:21 /dev/mapper/video -> ../dm-4
3262[18:29:21] <rysiek|pl> # cryptsetup luksClose /dev/mapper/video
3263[18:29:21] <rysiek|pl> # ls -l /dev/mapper/video
3264[18:29:21] <rysiek|pl> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Oct 20 18:21 /dev/mapper/video -> ../dm-4
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3267[18:29:42] <rysiek|pl> still worth it ;)
3268[18:29:55] <rysiek|pl> anywhoo, the underlying file is on an sshfs-mounted volume
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3271[18:30:10] <MrTopless> <jmcnaught>, yes
3272[18:30:12] <greycat> what "underlying file"?
3273[18:30:14] <rysiek|pl> the connection broke, and now the cryptsetup loop device file is seemingly in limbo
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3275[18:30:31] <rysiek|pl> greycat: the one that got crypsetup luksOpen'd originally
3276[18:30:35] <MrTopless> <jmcnaught>, I will add as well pood worker screenshot from htop
3277[18:30:41] <MrTopless> pool*
3278[18:31:18] <gray0panda> rysiek|pl: copy it to pastebin?
3279[18:31:21] <greycat> so you've got LVM, sshfs, *and* crypto all mangled together in one question somehow? good luck.
3280[18:31:31] <rysiek|pl> there is no lvm
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3282[18:31:39] <gustavohmsilva> hi guys
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3284[18:32:10] <rysiek|pl> gray0panda: replaced-url
3285[18:32:14] <jelly> TIFON: this is a support channel. If there were more support questions, maybe more people would volunteer to answer things. IF you want activity of activity's sake, join #debian-offtopic
3286[18:32:28] <gustavohmsilva> I've been trying to install the morse package on my ARM debian machine but it took some time to discover that there's only packages available for amd64 and i386
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3288[18:32:50] <gustavohmsilva> how can I download the source code of this package and compile it on my device?
3289[18:33:03] <jelly> dpkg, tell gustavohmsilva about package rebuild
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3291[18:33:37] <rysiek|pl> greycat: basically: sshfs-mounted volume contains a file that is used as a block device for cryptsetup, and then that cryptsetup-created loop dev is used as a blockdev containing ext4 filesystem
3292[18:33:38] <jelly> gustavohmsilva: see also: /msg dpkg deb-src
3293[18:33:39] <nsing> Does the stretch installer play nice with efi? This is my first notebook with efi support and I'm all kinds of confused.
3294[18:34:05] <Agiofws> uname -a
3295[18:34:05] <Agiofws> Linux athena 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.5-1~bpo8+2 (2016-10-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3296[18:34:22] <missmbob> nsing: you shouldn't use the stretch installer. that's to test the installer, not install stretch. install stable then dist-upgrade to stretch if you must
3297[18:34:26] <jelly> nsing: ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not this Freenode network). Support for UEFI was present in jessie as well, but support for Secure Boot is a work in progress
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3299[18:34:54] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: you're sure it's not a path bug in your php?
3300[18:35:10] <rysiek|pl> greycat: when connection breaks, it was usually enough to unmount the ext4 fs, cryptsetup luksClose the loop dev, remount the sshfs mount, cryptsetup luksOpen the file, mount the ext4 fs and all was well
3301[18:35:18] <nsing> jelly, Thanks, I've got secure boot off
3302[18:35:19] <rysiek|pl> greycat: however, right now it's in limbo
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3304[18:35:51] <missmbob> nsing: live cds dont support uefi. just fyi
3305[18:35:51] <rysiek|pl> lsof /dev/mapper/video does not give me anything
3306[18:35:55] <MrTopless> jmcnaught, then why its working from cli?
3307[18:36:20] <rysiek|pl> so not sure how is it "busy"
3308[18:36:31] <Agiofws> jelly, now i think not even the xserver runs because the screen has no signal...
3309[18:36:38] <Agiofws> what could be wrong?
3310[18:37:01] <jelly> did you upgrade all that stuff from bpo?
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3312[18:37:16] <Agiofws> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri
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3316[18:37:35] <jelly> Agiofws: was that successful and did all those actually upgrade?
3317[18:37:38] <Agiofws> anything specific from intel in backports?
3318[18:37:42] <Agiofws> yes
3319[18:37:46] <Agiofws> no errors
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3322[18:38:07] <jelly> alright, then try to power off the monitor and power it back on
3323[18:38:16] <jelly> just in case.
3324[18:38:17] <nsing> missmbob, Wish I had asked earlier. I'm think I'm right in the middle of using the stretch netinst found here: replaced-url
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3327[18:38:42] <missmbob> nsing: not saying it wont work, but it has known bugs. good luck.
3328[18:38:46] <Agiofws> jelly, replaced-url
3329[18:38:57] <Agiofws> jelly, i did that
3330[18:39:08] <Agiofws> i rebooted
3331[18:39:19] <Agiofws> i'm logged in via ssh
3332[18:39:40] <Agiofws> but no xorg seems to be running
3333[18:39:54] <nsing> missmbob, I've got my fingers crossed. I don't know if this is a new feature or not but I was impressed when it told me specifically what non-free firmware files were necessary to get networking started.
3334[18:40:05] <Agiofws> should i look for xorg errors or something ?
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3336[18:40:19] <nsing> I used to have to memorize my hardware configuration
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3339[18:40:47] <jelly> Agiofws: sure, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and also output of "dmesg" command or /var/log/kern.log since this boot.
3340[18:40:56] <hang> hello guys,
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3342[18:41:15] <hang> what happen when pc does not received by auto?
3343[18:41:34] <jelly> hang: that does not make a lot of sense.
3344[18:41:37] <nsing> hang, what do you mean?
3345[18:41:40] <hang> i need to open terminal and run cmd dhclient eth0
3346[18:41:51] <hang> then network is working fine
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3350[18:42:40] <hang> actually my pc does not connected to network
3351[18:42:45] <nsing> Ah. You aren't getting an IP address?
3352[18:42:46] <hang> :)
3353[18:42:50] <hang> yes...
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3356[18:43:42] <nsing> Do other devices get connected?
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3361[18:44:36] <hang> yes.. only the desktop got problem now and my laptop eth,wlan working fine..
3362[18:44:46] <yepla> hey guys i have still pb with my displaylink adapter
3363[18:44:56] <yepla> my issue : replaced-url
3364[18:46:14] <yepla> i think the problem is because /dev/fb0 is created at the start of gdm3
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3366[18:46:24] <yepla> and displaylink driver start before
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3368[18:46:29] <Agiofws> jelly, replaced-url
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3374[18:48:39] <hang> any idea nsing ?
3375[18:49:06] <th0r> hang, can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
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3377[18:50:00] <missmbob> Agiofws: i made 4.8.3 kernel debs for jessie if you want to try an even newer kernel
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3381[18:51:30] <missmbob> Agiofws: i see skylake kernel updates on every release. might help. or roll your own
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3384[18:52:38] <jelly> Agiofws: 200 lines did not cover the whole boot, however. It's interesting that
3385[18:52:40] <jelly> Oct 20 19:35:25 athena kernel: [ 3.306628] i915 0000:00:02.0: No connectors reported connected with modes
3386[18:52:40] <jelly> Oct 20 19:35:25 athena kernel: [ 3.306632] [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768
3387[18:52:58] <hang> th0r: replaced-url
3388[18:53:10] <jelly> Agiofws: apparently kms driver did not detect any monitors
3389[18:53:48] <Agiofws> should i disable kms in grub or something?
3390[18:53:59] <jelly> no, you need that. Ask the video intel people what's going on.
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3393[18:54:12] <th0r> hang, you have eth0 defined in that file, so dhcp isn't going to work
3394[18:54:15] <Agiofws> lol :)
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3396[18:54:29] <jelly> or try an even newer kernel, as missmbob suggests
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3398[18:54:34] <Agiofws> i don't think there is a specific channel for that?
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3404[18:55:00] <Agiofws> how would i install newer kernel?
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3406[18:55:17] <missmbob> Agiofws: replaced-url
3407[18:55:20] <jelly> Agiofws: find the channel on your own: /msg alis list intel -min 50
3408[18:55:25] <hang> th0r: actually it happen after i tried to use static ip
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3411[18:55:47] <hang> before i set static ip dhcp is working fine
3412[18:55:48] <greycat> hang: if you want to go back to DHCP, use "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
3413[18:55:56] <nsing> hang, Sorry, I got busy. Don't take this the wrong way, but make sure the cables are good and are firmly connected.
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3415[18:56:12] <hang> i tried
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3418[18:56:31] <nsing> hang, maybe you had an IP address conflict?
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3422[18:57:55] <greycat> He said that manually running dhclient worked, so it should just be a matter of fixing /etc/network/interfaces and then rebooting.
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3428[18:58:28] <hang> nsing: try ping ip that i need to use as static but no reply, i think no issue with ip conflict
3429[18:58:30] <Agiofws> jelly, maybe i'm missing a package or something ?
3430[18:58:53] <th0r> greycat, agreed, assuming he doesn't get misdirected
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3438[19:00:02] <hang> try to reconfig in interfaces with dhcp see it is work as normal or not..
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3440[19:01:09] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: your info.php works for me on php5-fpm with these: replaced-url
3441[19:01:32] <Agiofws> A little more research has turned up that although the integrated graphics do support OpenGL 4.4, the support has not yet been implemented in Mesa, and is still limited to OpenGL 3.3 for the time being. Guess I'll just have to wait this one out for now.
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3443[19:01:52] <Agiofws> buts thats from an ubuntu forum from the 23 fo august
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3448[19:02:23] <MrTopless> jmcnaught, guess I need to remove php7 lib at all
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3450[19:02:25] <MrTopless> :-(
3451[19:02:33] <MrTopless> Or compile my own
3452[19:03:09] <missmbob> MrTopless: i'd reinstall from scratch
3453[19:03:27] <Agiofws> jelly, how can i find out what version of mesa i have installed?
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3455[19:03:40] <greycat> did you try dpkg -l | grep mesa yet?
3456[19:03:40] <hang> hmm seen my ethernet does not blinking even after reboot the pc..
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3458[19:03:59] <CtrlC> what sever resources do you think is need to have ten virtual systems on it with debian installed that need to run a few programs with little resources needed? Like an apache and something else with 50MB ram needed.
3459[19:04:04] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: i don't know why the dotdeb php7.0-fpm is creating files as replaced-url
3460[19:04:09] <CtrlC> I need to network all this together.
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3464[19:04:54] <MrTopless> jmcnaught, might be some bug in their repo, probably noone used php-fpm so noone reported
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3467[19:06:00] <Agiofws> replaced-url
3468[19:06:02] <Agiofws> thanks you greycat
3469[19:06:14] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: it's not the first time that dotdeb has had problems that don't exist in Debian. There are real advantages to using what Debian provides. If php7 is not a hard requirement, use php5.6 and enjoy the convenient peace of mind. If you're targetting php7 in your own code.. target stable platforms dammit!
3470[19:06:23] <jelly> Agiofws: that's the libgl1-mesa-dri package, if "mesa" in the name wasn't a hint enough
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3472[19:06:43] <greycat> If he has to use php7 for some ungodly reason, stretch has it.
3473[19:06:45] <MrTopless> jmcnaught, well it all about the performance tests.
3474[19:06:54] <MrTopless> I really need php7.0
3475[19:07:03] <MrTopless> Guess I'll compile it from scratch
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3477[19:07:20] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: be prepared to compile it from source every time there's an exploit in php7
3478[19:07:21] <greycat> Or make a stretch chroot and run it there.
3479[19:07:41] <MrTopless> stretch chroot what is that?
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3481[19:07:52] <Agiofws> libgl1-mesa-glx. not sure what's in that package.
3482[19:07:53] <greycat> !stretch
3483[19:07:54] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
3484[19:07:56] <greycat> !debootstrap
3485[19:07:56] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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3491[19:09:06] <Agiofws> jelly, replaced-url
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3494[19:10:21] <MrTopless> So how to upgrade to stretch?
3495[19:10:31] <MrTopless> Most stable one
3496[19:10:33] <greycat> MrTopless: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
3497[19:10:38] <greycat> It's NOT STABLE.
3498[19:10:38] <SamSagaZ_> someone know if is possible to install a package using apt and overwirte the old conf files?
3499[19:10:43] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: the suggestion wasn't to upgrade to stretch, it was to run stretch in a chroot
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3503[19:11:29] <jmcnaught> MrTopless: just remember that the further you stray from what Debian provides, the more work you are committing your future self to do
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3517[19:14:26] <jelly> Agiofws: you could upgrade that one as well, if the intel people want you to. At this point you'll probably get better help in their channel
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3519[19:14:51] <jelly> instead of doing two channels at the same time
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3530[19:16:54] <Agiofws> jelly, upgrade which package from backports?
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3542[19:19:16] <SpeakFreely> Hello, can someone tell me the best way to download drivers for my GTX 1070? I've heard downloading from nvidia directly is a poor decision
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3546[19:20:19] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: which driver version do you need?
3547[19:20:34] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
3548[19:20:35] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.44-3; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
3549[19:20:48] <SpeakFreely> nkuttler: I prefer the latest version, though I haven't looked into specifics between them
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3551[19:21:07] <SpeakFreely> Nvidia's latest is 367.27
3552[19:21:30] <greycat> But which version do you actually *need*?
3553[19:21:30] <jelly> Agiofws: the one you just mentioned, libgl1-mesa-glx
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3560[19:22:03] <SpeakFreely> greycat: how can I identify what I need?
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3563[19:22:27] <jelly> SpeakFreely: what does the "lspci -nn" line for your video card look like?
3564[19:22:31] <greycat> By reading the Debian wiki page, typically. replaced-url
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3567[19:22:42] <juslintek> jmcnaught, so replaced-url
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3572[19:23:14] <pksadik> how to fix insert the disk labelled ... /media/cdrom/ issue. I accidently pulled out usb drive during debian installation
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3574[19:23:26] <jelly> SpeakFreely: if you know the pci id number, you (or someone else) can use nvidia-detect tool to suggest the correct driver (and minimum version)
3575[19:23:48] <Agiofws> apt-get install -t jessie-backports libgl1-mesa-glx did that
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3578[19:23:54] <Agiofws> still though
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3580[19:24:01] <SpeakFreely> jelly: nvidia-detect can't detect it
3581[19:24:03] <jelly> pksadik: the simplest thing is to reboot and restart installation
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3583[19:24:34] <jelly> SpeakFreely: sure, but which version of nvidia-detect did you try
3584[19:24:40] <jelly> SpeakFreely: what does the "lspci -nn" line for your video card look like?
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3588[19:25:04] <jmcnaught> juslintek: those instructions don't seem too unreasonable. You could also look at schroot, and if you want to use containers systemd-nspawn
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3590[19:25:30] <SpeakFreely> jelly: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1b81] (rev a1)" It doesn't say the card
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3592[19:25:48] <pksadik> jelly. nvm found it. I had to mount the usb drive to /target/media/cdrom
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3594[19:26:21] <greycat> ,pciid 10de:1b81
3595[19:26:22] <judd> [10de:1b81] is 'GP104 [GeForce GTX 1070]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3597[19:27:04] <jelly> SpeakFreely: nvidia-detect from stretch detects it and suggests the default driver there
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3599[19:27:32] <SpeakFreely> jelly: it doesn't for me. Do I need to add in jessie-backport in order to install the right nvidia-detect or something?
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3601[19:27:48] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: stretch. testing
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3604[19:28:03] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms
3605[19:28:04] <judd> Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
3606[19:28:14] <nkuttler> you might be able to backport it yourself though
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3609[19:28:43] <SpeakFreely> I'm confused, I thought Jessie was the newest? Why do I need to backport?
3610[19:29:03] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: jessie is stable, no new software gets into stable, hence backports
3611[19:29:04] <greycat> jessie is the current stable release
3612[19:29:09] <SpeakFreely> Ah ok
3613[19:29:19] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: but even the backports don't include what you need
3614[19:29:23] <SpeakFreely> So should I add backport or sretch?
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3617[19:29:33] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: what do you use this machine for?
3618[19:29:40] <joseluis8906> hello
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3623[19:30:06] <jelly> SpeakFreely: there is no ready-made backport at present time
3624[19:30:09] <SpeakFreely> nkuttler: This is a fresh install. Hoping to do general development, general use and some machine learning applications (so GPU drivers are critical)
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3626[19:30:51] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: well. it's up to you
3627[19:30:55] <nkuttler> !tell SpeakFreely about ssbp
3628[19:31:06] <nkuttler> i'd probably try to make a backport myself first
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3630[19:31:33] <jelly> SpeakFreely: which APIs from nvidia do you plan to use? cuda?
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3632[19:31:49] <SpeakFreely> nkuttler: what do you mean by make a backport yourself?
3633[19:31:58] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: see the msg the bot just sent you
3634[19:32:01] <SpeakFreely> jelly: Yes CUDA. Although I do want normal GPU functionality too
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3637[19:33:25] <SpeakFreely> nkuttler: what does it mean add deb-src for sid? What sid?
3638[19:33:33] <Agiofws> the thing is jelly that i had this working a month ago once a purchased the mobo
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3640[19:33:45] <Agiofws> maybe i should look in the logs to see how we fixed it
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3644[19:34:08] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: the bot says you what to ask it about
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3646[19:34:22] <nkuttler> SpeakFreely: e.g. /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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3649[19:34:34] <nkuttler> !tell SpeakFreely about sid
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3651[19:35:04] <joseluis8906> I have created a .deb package from kore web framework library and if I want the package to be published in debian repositories. Which is the process to achieve it?.
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3657[19:36:07] <jelly> joseluis8906: you want to keep maintaining it? ask the bots about these: /msg dpkg mentors, /msg dpkg nmg
3658[19:36:07] <leba2> I know I have tried before, but I'd liek to try more specific this last time. Does anyone by chance know about a good *visual/graphic* web design program for linux? Kind of like this replaced-url
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3662[19:36:41] <joseluis8906> jelly: thanks!
3663[19:37:09] <SpeakFreely> nkuttler: I'm confused, is it saying I just use the normal debian as the sid?
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3666[19:37:22] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Is anybody successfully running the nvidia binary version 367.44?
3667[19:37:24] <greycat> No, normal debian is jessie, stable, 2 years old.
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3669[19:37:39] <greycat> Abnormal debian users are people who try to use hardware that's less than 2 years old.
3670[19:38:01] <jelly> SpeakFreely: it's a very terse recipe how to make .deb packages for your install, but built from sources for a newer debian (sid)
3671[19:38:05] <o|0_0|v_Peace> I can't help it SNTS.
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3674[19:38:50] <jelly> greycat: that's sad but very TRUE
3675[19:39:17] <SpeakFreely> jelly: then why don't I just add a jessie-backport to my src line instead of creating a whole new one? Unless I'm supposed to use a different source?
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3678[19:39:34] <jelly> SpeakFreely: because noone has done it yet
3679[19:39:37] * jmcnaught likes how Debian penalizes the rich kids with their fancy new computers. It helps level the playing field.
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3681[19:39:44] <jelly> SpeakFreely: so there's nothing in jessie-backports
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3683[19:40:01] <jelly> penalizes?
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3685[19:40:24] <jelly> are you missing the part when people come in here day after day asking how to run their stuff?
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3687[19:40:51] <jelly> the volunteers like yourself are penalized :->
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3690[19:41:53] <jeltz> Hello again. How do you set up an usb headset on Debian testing?
3691[19:42:06] <jeltz> I have xfce and xfce4-mixer isn't in the testing repo
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3698[19:43:43] <jelly> jeltz: but there's xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and pavucontrol and paprefs
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3700[19:43:58] <jeltz> jelly, you're a star
3701[19:44:05] <jelly> also,
3702[19:44:08] <jelly> !debian-next
3703[19:44:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3711[19:46:43] <jeltz> jelly: thank you.
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3713[19:47:01] <yepla> if someone have time and an idea for my problem : replaced-url
3714[19:47:09] <yepla> it will be great appreciate
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3718[19:47:52] <yepla> i dont get it it s seem x cannot open /dev/fb0 but /dev/fb0 is created i really dont get it
3719[19:48:19] <SpeakFreely> jelly: I'm sorry I'm just so confused right now...where do I find the source for what I put in my sources.list?
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3721[19:50:06] <bezaban> !sources
3722[19:50:06] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
3723[19:50:12] <greycat> Gah. replaced-url
3724[19:50:29] <jelly> SpeakFreely: /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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3726[19:50:40] <bezaban> ohright
3727[19:51:12] <jelly> greycat: that would be too easy
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3732[19:52:36] <jelly> nvidia blob packaging people take care to make every nvidia-kernel-dkms .deb installable on stable (including the stuff they upload to sid and experimental)
3733[19:52:39] <SpeakFreely> Whoops...
3734[19:53:13] <greycat> fixing
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3738[19:53:40] <jelly> so if one were to do the CRAZY thing and add deb stretch repo to stable, and upgrade just nvidia-kernel-dkms, that would work and not install horrible deps like libc6
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3740[19:54:10] <jelly> but I won't suggest that to SpeakFreely because (it's insane and) they also want -dev stuff
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3742[19:54:32] <missmbob> and then of course you might be so excited it worked that you'll forget that you had to remove the line and later on accidently upgrade to stretch
3743[19:54:40] <greycat> Still no 1070 on the 352.79 list.
3744[19:54:45] <jelly> that's part of why it's insane
3745[19:55:09] <SpeakFreely> Yeah all the tutorials I've seen regarding the 1070 seem to be people download from the nvidia website
3746[19:55:40] <Waxhead> Instead of running a typical cluster with nodes there once existed a project called OpenMOSIX (now LinuxPMI) where you could migrate processes over the network. I ponder if it is possible to build a "virtual CPU" that runs on another computer just like a virtual machine that could do processing. Performance would probably not be very good , but still better than nothing. Is this possible? is it done? what are my options (besides MPI) ?
3747[19:55:59] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: a lot of bad advice on the internet. those people will have problems later on when they upgrade
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3749[19:56:06] <jelly> SpeakFreely: that makes a different sort of mess
3750[19:56:22] <SpeakFreely> Yeah that's why I've avoided it, since those get uninstalled with kernel upgrades right?
3751[19:56:23] <o|0_0|v_Peace> I think the 1060/1070/1080 need version 367.44
3752[19:56:33] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Which I am trying to get working, with no luck.
3753[19:56:51] <jelly> SpeakFreely: since stretch is going into freeze soonish, I guess you COULD just install stretch at this point
3754[19:57:04] <jelly> it doesn't break too much
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3758[19:57:32] <jelly> !jessie->stretck
3759[19:57:37] <jelly> !jessie->stretch
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3761[19:57:44] <jelly> R$#@!
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3763[19:57:47] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
3764[19:57:47] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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3768[19:58:48] <SpeakFreely> Hmm idk I mean I'm not sure if its worth risking everything breaking..
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3770[19:58:54] <o|0_0|v_Peace> lol snarky dpkg :)
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3774[20:00:56] <SpeakFreely> o|0_0|v_Peace: so you have a newer nvidia card too?
3775[20:01:26] <o|0_0|v_Peace> Yeah, just got confirmation that they do indeed work so we're the broken ones in this case.
3776[20:01:48] <SpeakFreely> o|0_0|v_Peace: with Linux I'm always the broken one :p
3777[20:02:14] <jelly> well if someone donates a GTX1070 I'm willing to provide working drivers for jessie...
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3779[20:02:29] <SpeakFreely> Would this work for debian? replaced-url
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3781[20:02:36] <greycat> gods no
3782[20:02:43] <candidat_> yes
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3787[20:03:15] <jelly> SpeakFreely: only if they have a build specifically for jessie, and they don't
3788[20:03:50] <jmcnaught> did we determine that nvidia-driver cannot be backported?
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3792[20:05:11] <jelly> no
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3794[20:05:31] <jelly> we determined SpeakFreely wants to try anything else first
3795[20:05:39] <Ayatollah> nvidia needs to get hacked
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3798[20:05:50] <Ayatollah> that driver needs to become OSS
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3800[20:06:03] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: backporting packages is pretty easy
3801[20:06:04] <SpeakFreely> jelly: No I just don't understand what to do..
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3805[20:07:23] <jelly> SpeakFreely: add deb-src line for sid, run apt-get update, run "apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-dkms" and some more steps I forgot
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3807[20:07:50] <jelly> SpeakFreely: if that works, you get two dozen .deb package files as a result
3808[20:08:10] <jmcnaught> apy-get build-dep foo
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3810[20:08:25] <jelly> it's all in /msg dpkg ssb
3811[20:08:49] <SpeakFreely> So do I need to add the backport line in addition to sid?
3812[20:09:03] <jelly> if the ssb thing says so, yes
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3821[20:11:26] <acidfoo_> what would be the best way to install libpq-dev 9.6 on wheezy ? how can I backport this package
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3825[20:11:59] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: alternative instructions: replaced-url
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3832[20:15:19] <greycat> acidfoo_: what the fuck.
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3835[20:15:45] <boxrick1_> I am currently playing around with the murky depths of Ubuntu preseed and partman. If I use GPT disk labels, I assume I don't need to worry about newer 4k sector disks?
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3841[20:16:22] <zonk_> if you guys deploy a new cool tool with some webpage, how do you make it visible to all relevant people around you, do you just write an email with the link to that tool, or do you guys have some kind of navigation website where you create another entry with that tool and the link to it?
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3843[20:16:41] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: thanks I'm going to try that
3844[20:17:22] <missmbob> omg that just took me back to the old geocities "club" banners that connected sites. *shivers*
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3846[20:17:38] <jelly> acidfoo_: not from Debian. replaced-url
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3848[20:17:41] <SpeakFreely> jelly: so instead of nvidia-driver I want nvidia-kernel-dkms even though there are some matching versions?
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3851[20:18:10] <acidfoo_> jelly: thanks
3852[20:18:22] <acidfoo_> greycat: the fuck. what
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3855[20:18:48] <jelly> SpeakFreely: oh, it does not really matter whether you "apt-get source nvidia-driver" or "apt-get source nvidia-kernel-dkms". It's one the same source.
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3857[20:19:00] <SpeakFreely> Oh okay, thanks
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3862[20:19:51] <jelly> acidfoo_: what you do really want to accomplish with 9.6 headers, tho
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3864[20:20:27] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: there are no dsc files in nvidia-driver
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3869[20:21:51] <greycat> acidfoo_: why do you want sid database client development headers on OLDSTABLE. the fuck.
3870[20:22:01] <jelly> REASONS!
3871[20:22:08] <SpeakFreely> Going to rejoin with a serial connection since I'm assuming I can't use the graphical enviornment as I do this...brb
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3874[20:22:43] <acidfoo_> greycat: you'll be mind blowed when I tell you
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3880[20:23:11] <acidfoo_> greycat: I'm stuck on an oldstable system, and I need to perform batching that has been added lately in libpq
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3883[20:23:32] <acidfoo_> hope it unfucked you
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3886[20:24:02] <greycat> Two assertions that I would have to believe, plus a third assertion of a causal link between them. Yup. Sure. Have fun.
3887[20:25:22] <jelly> people in here sometimes forget an operating system isn't an end unto itself, it's made to run shit on it
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3890[20:25:59] <jelly> sometimes you want to run unusual shit on it, so why not allow for that
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3893[20:29:51] <jhutchins_wk> For some people the system is the end goal. They mess with the setup to amuse themselves rather than to make the system useful for some purpose.
3894[20:29:53] <jelly> running shiny new libpq shit might or might not be more useful and/or fun than optimizing or refactoring code or sql
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3896[20:30:12] <jhutchins_wk> cf: gentoo.
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3900[20:30:36] <jelly> acidfoo_: how far is your database from your client that you need pipelining like that anyway
3901[20:30:59] <greycat> If "running shiny new libpq shit" also requires "backporting sid packages to oldstable (not stable)" then you may have one hell of a problem.
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3907[20:31:47] <SpeakFreely> jelly: so I have all the deb files in my dir now, should I just run dpkg -i *.deb ?
3908[20:32:21] <SpeakFreely> in order to install
3909[20:32:22] <jelly> SpeakFreely: yes, and that will fail, so run "apt-get -f install" after that
3910[20:32:32] <SpeakFreely> okay thanks, brb
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3912[20:32:40] <jelly> you could also set up a local repo and install via apt instead
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3915[20:33:39] <SpeakFreely> jelly: So I did apt-get -f install, is there a way I can check if this worked?
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3917[20:33:48] <greycat> It'll tell you if it didn't.
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3919[20:34:18] <SpeakFreely> All that came up was Removing and then all the package names, so it should have worked?
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3922[20:34:41] <iZ6S82> hello
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3924[20:34:53] <iZ6S82> how to turn a usb device off?
3925[20:34:53] <jelly> SpeakFreely: that means none of it got installed, not a desirable outcome
3926[20:35:02] <SpeakFreely> oh >_>
3927[20:35:48] <SpeakFreely> So is there something else I can do with all these deb files I have now? Or does this mean this won't work?
3928[20:36:18] <jelly> SpeakFreely: pastebin the complete "apt-get -f install" output
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3931[20:36:30] <iZ6S82> how to turn a usb device off?
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3935[20:36:51] <SpeakFreely> jelly: erm you mind telling me the command that I can use to create a paste? I'm running from a serial terminal right now, not the gui
3936[20:36:55] <greycat> If it has a power button, press it. If not, remove the cable.
3937[20:36:59] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: you should probably use gdebi for self backcported debs
3938[20:37:01] <jelly> iZ6S82: you asked that 2 minutes ago, let's not repeat more than say once per hour
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3943[20:38:17] <zykotick9> SpeakFreely: one method to paste from terminal is "foocommand | nc termbin.com 9999"
3944[20:38:22] <iZ6S82> jelly: i don't know how windows does it, but when you click on remove or eject button, the device will shut down
3945[20:38:24] <greycat> SpeakFreely: you can't retroactively grab output from the past if your terminal doesn't support that kind of action
3946[20:38:43] <SpeakFreely> greycat: well I was just going to run the command again
3947[20:38:53] <greycat> SpeakFreely: if you want to repeat the entire thing, you could run "script". then the dpkg -i, then the apt-get -f install, then exit from script, then upload the resulting file.
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3951[20:39:50] <jelly> iZ6S82: oh, is it a disk drive or some other storage dev?
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3955[20:40:03] <iZ6S82> no it is not
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3957[20:40:11] <iZ6S82> i don't think it's even possible
3958[20:40:14] <jelly> what kind of device is it then?
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3960[20:40:27] <iZ6S82> usb speakrs
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3962[20:40:33] <iZ6S82> usb speakers
3963[20:40:34] <jelly> just unplug them
3964[20:40:41] <jelly> no harm done
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3968[20:41:09] <iZ6S82> yeah sure but doing it every time is pointless
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3970[20:41:26] <missmbob> learn to use mute?
3971[20:41:29] <greycat> So leave them plugged in and just don't use them
3972[20:41:33] <jelly> iZ6S82: keep them unplugged?
3973[20:41:36] <jelly> I don't get it
3974[20:41:43] <greycat> Or that way.
3975[20:41:45] <SpeakFreely> jelly: greycat: termbin.com/ogunt
3976[20:41:56] <iZ6S82> jelly: i don't have any phisical buttons on them
3977[20:41:56] <SpeakFreely> so it seems all apt is doing is removin the packages
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3979[20:42:02] <jeltz> I have two debian machines on the same network that I didn't give a domain name to during installation.
3980[20:42:06] <missmbob> this cant be real
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3982[20:42:18] <jeltz> How do I give them both the same domain name so they can see each other and share files?
3983[20:42:22] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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3988[20:43:04] <jeltz> I'm reading documentation on the topic but it all deals with FQDNs and TLDs
3989[20:43:09] <SpeakFreely> missmbob: are you saying I should try gdebi *.deb instead?
3990[20:43:20] <greycat> jeltz: if you aren't using DNS, just put a line into each machine's /etc/hosts telling it about the other machine
3991[20:43:31] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: yes.
3992[20:43:34] <missmbob> !gdebi
3993[20:43:35] <dpkg> it has been said that gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility. replaced-url
3994[20:43:42] <iZ6S82> jelly: i'd like to turn them off when i don't use them for like 30 mins
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3996[20:44:09] <jeltz> greycat: that's what I'm having trouble understanding. How to modify the /etc/hosts
3997[20:44:16] <greycat> jeltz: with a text editor. like nano.
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4000[20:44:21] <jeltz> greycat: ...
4001[20:44:21] <jelly> iZ6S82: hmm. I'd ask the pulseaudio people how to accomplish that
4002[20:44:24] <jeltz> greycat: obviously
4003[20:44:25] <greycat> or vi, or whatever you like
4004[20:44:25] <SpeakFreely> missmbob: thanks I'll try that
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4008[20:44:41] <jeltz> greycat: yes... I mean regarding the actual contents and formatting, not method
4009[20:44:47] <greycat> jeltz: IP, space, hostname
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4012[20:44:53] <iZ6S82> jelly: not in this case, i'd do it for power save
4013[20:44:57] <jeltz> greycat: hostname is set
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4015[20:45:01] <jeltz> I'm wondering about the domain name
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4017[20:45:14] <greycat> jeltz: In the file. You asked what goes in the file. "IP hostname" on a single line. That's what goes in the file.
4018[20:45:15] <SpeakFreely> missmbob: "This package is uninstallable. Dependency is not satisfiable: nvidia-support"
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4020[20:45:25] <jeltz> greycat: where does the domain name go?
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4023[20:45:34] <jelly> iZ6S82: in that case, there's no way to power them back on without unplugging and replugging in linux, that I know of
4024[20:45:38] <greycat> jeltz: DON'T USE a domain name. Just put that hostname that you actually want to use.
4025[20:45:44] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: guess you'll need to backport that if you havent yet
4026[20:45:48] <greycat> "192.168.1.3 fred"
4027[20:45:51] <greycat> "192.168.1.5 betty"
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4030[20:46:07] <greycat> (without the quotes)
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4032[20:46:09] <jelly> missmbob: these ARE his own backported .deb
4033[20:46:41] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: pastebin everything.
4034[20:46:47] <jelly> or her own or whatever.
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4038[20:47:51] <SpeakFreely> It's his, and what do you mean paste everything missmbob ?
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4041[20:48:13] <SpeakFreely> jelly: Is my error in not having a dependancy, based on that paste I sent you/
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4043[20:48:23] <missmbob> i want to see the list of debs that were created and what you ran to install them and the output
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4045[20:48:27] <candidat> i m using vnc over a botnet on a pentested wifi at mc donalds
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4047[20:48:32] <greycat> missmbob: replaced-url
4048[20:48:38] <candidat> no i m kidding
4049[20:48:41] <SpeakFreely> thanks greycat
4050[20:49:04] <greycat> It was a pretty thorough link. ;-)
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4053[20:49:17] <missmbob> yeah jesus
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4055[20:49:38] <SpeakFreely> well missmbob did just tell me to pastebin everything :p
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4057[20:51:31] <jelly> find / | xargs cat | pastebinit
4058[20:51:52] <tispokes> hi
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4063[20:52:16] <tispokes> may you guys can help me. so simple problem with "cut" on console. the auto completion is wrong. i wantto use it like 'cut -d";" --output-delimiter=" " blabla' <= works fine
4064[20:52:23] <tispokes> if i use auto completion cut ... --ou TAB -> it completes it to --ouput-delimiter= W/O the T
4065[20:52:29] <tispokes> in the man-file its with 't', if i use the --help its wrong in the help... => --ouput-delimiter=ZKETTE ZKETTE als Ausgabetrennzeichen benutzen;
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4069[20:53:01] <greycat> tispokes: sounds like you have found a bug in the bash-completion package.
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4071[20:53:15] <tispokes> maybe greycat
4072[20:53:27] <greycat> I'm fairly certain of it.
4073[20:53:35] <jelly> the completion thing is separate functionality from the actual cut tool
4074[20:53:47] <greycat> And also separate from bash itself.
4075[20:54:19] <jelly> if cut would misbehave when you manually typed the correct command without pressing TAB, then you'd be able to claim there was something wrong with cut
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4077[20:54:35] <tispokes> jelly any possibilities to change that
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4080[20:54:56] <jelly> change what?
4081[20:54:59] <tispokes> have n root rights on this machine
4082[20:55:07] <greycat> Find the bash-completion file with the bug in it, fix the bug.
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4084[20:55:08] <tispokes> change the auto complete behaviour
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4086[20:55:20] <greycat> Or just disable completions for cut.
4087[20:55:22] <jelly> you could disable completion
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4089[20:55:44] <SpeakFreely> missmbob: are you looking at that file? It's fine if not, just not sure if I should be waiting on here for someone to look through because I have no idea what tod o lol
4090[20:55:47] <jelly> that would change the affected behavior :-)
4091[20:55:54] <tispokes> i love completion :-(
4092[20:56:11] <jelly> do you love it enough to learn how it's implemented, and fix it?
4093[20:56:18] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: i did look through it all. kind of at a loss
4094[20:56:20] <tispokes> maybe not now
4095[20:56:34] <SpeakFreely> o|0_0|v_Peace: any luck?
4096[20:56:40] <jelly> do you love it enough to learn how to make a useful bug report?
4097[20:56:40] <SpeakFreely> missmbob: so basically I'm screwed xD
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4100[20:57:10] <tispokes> yes that would be a good idea, but may you do not have the problem on a newer system?!
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4103[20:57:28] <greycat> tispokes: ... are you not on Debian jessie?
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4108[20:58:19] <SpeakFreely> jelly: so if this isn't working is the only way for me is to use nvidia's source and reinstall every kernel upgrade?
4109[20:58:28] <tispokes> greycat 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1
4110[20:58:39] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: i dont know if it'd be worth it to you to upgrade it all to stretch. other than that i'm not sure how to help
4111[20:58:47] <greycat> tispokes: then why are you asking about "newer system"s?
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4114[20:59:23] <tispokes> i didnt checked, if its the newest, sry,
4115[20:59:23] * greycat performs a test
4116[20:59:33] <somiaj> SpeakFreely: have you tried to build the debian non-free package from svn for jessie, there are instructions on the wiki how to do this.
4117[20:59:53] <greycat> On jessie. I typed "bash" to get a new shell, then ran "source /etc/bash_completion", then typed "cut --ou", then pressed tab. It gave me --output-delimiter=
4118[21:00:23] <greycat> tispokes: can you describe *exactly* what you are doing to get the bugged completion? Are you in bash or zsh?
4119[21:00:38] <tispokes> greycat on bash
4120[21:00:58] <SpeakFreely> somiaj: I have not
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4122[21:01:07] <greycat> tispokes: echo "$BASH_VERSION"
4123[21:01:15] <SpeakFreely> somiaj: perhaps I'll try that later tonight I have to go in a few mins :\
4124[21:01:21] <tispokes> greycat 4.3.30(1)-release
4125[21:01:24] <jelly> SpeakFreely: there are lots of other ways.
4126[21:01:39] <greycat> tispokes: dpkg -l bash-completion | tail -1
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4128[21:01:53] <somiaj> SpeakFreely: if the version in jessie-backports is not able to support your hardware you can try this. Note there are some speical instructions to get this to work in jessie. replaced-url
4129[21:02:03] <tispokes> greycat ii bash-completion 1:2.1-4 all programmable completion for the bash shell
4130[21:02:21] <greycat> tispokes: Those are the same versions I have, but I'm not getting the result you're getting.
4131[21:02:26] <SpeakFreely> somiaj: thanks I'll check that ouit
4132[21:02:49] <tispokes> greycat yes, on my test-debian at home it works well.
4133[21:02:57] <jelly> somiaj: they already built local backports of 367.44
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4135[21:03:18] <SpeakFreely> somiaj: yeah I was actually about to say don't I already have all the files I need?
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4137[21:03:23] <jelly> somiaj: the step failing at present is "actually install .debs"
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4141[21:04:19] <somiaj> jelly: SpeakFreely: Ahh had not realized that you have backported a version that should work.
4142[21:04:31] <jelly> somiaj: a naive dpkg -i *.deb; apt-get -f install fails; next thing one could help SpeakFreely do is set up a trivial local repo, and install via apt instead
4143[21:04:45] <tispokes> greycat i've an idea, the --help command results in german, may the problem is in the translation pkg?
4144[21:05:01] <missmbob> somiaj: gdebi was also attempted
4145[21:05:06] <greycat> I have no idea how bash-completion interacts with translations.
4146[21:05:11] <jelly> SpeakFreely: does "dpkg -i nvidia-support*deb" on its own work?
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4149[21:05:56] <tispokes> i think the bash-completions works with the commands from --help, cuz there is the error, not in the man-page
4150[21:05:57] <candidat> i love you :)
4151[21:06:17] <greycat> I don't know what "the commands from --help" means
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4156[21:07:20] <tispokes> greycat'cut --help'
4157[21:07:37] <greycat> what about it?
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4162[21:08:07] <greycat> you're saying the german translation of "cut --help" has an error, and that you think bash-completion is parsing the output of "cut --help" to get the list of long options?
4163[21:08:40] <Agiofws> jelly are there logs kept online of this channel?
4164[21:08:46] <jelly> !irc logs
4165[21:08:46] <dpkg> i heard irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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4167[21:09:09] <greycat> COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W "$( $1 --help 2>&1 | \
4168[21:09:13] <greycat> Hmm, you might be correct.
4169[21:09:13] <SpeakFreely> jelly: I don't see an error, how can I tell if that worked?
4170[21:09:20] <juslintek> Debian guys, I've upgrade to scratch, here is my dpkg -l > still having same issue: replaced-url
4171[21:09:24] <jelly> SpeakFreely: what do you see?
4172[21:09:47] <jelly> SpeakFreely: did it say "unpacking stuff... setting up..." and then stopped?
4173[21:09:57] <greycat> !tell juslintek about debian-next
4174[21:10:10] <SpeakFreely> jelly: preparing, unpacking, setting up all on nvidia-support and then processing triggers for man-db
4175[21:10:29] <greycat> tispokes: so, if this theory is correct, then the bug is actually in the German translation of the cut package, not in bash-completion.
4176[21:10:29] <SpeakFreely> jelly: yup stopped after processing triggers
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4178[21:11:07] <greycat> tispokes: I guess you could change your locale to English before sourcing /etc/bash_completion in your .bashrc file, then change it back.
4179[21:11:09] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: try to gdebi them again then. that's what stopped it last time
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4181[21:11:30] <jelly> SpeakFreely: that's how dpkg tells you it installed a package.
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4183[21:11:42] <greycat> But I'm not really an expert on how bash-completion works. I never use it myself.
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4185[21:11:49] <SpeakFreely> jelly: okay cool thanks. Should I do as missmbob suggested and gdebi *.deb again?
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4187[21:11:55] <jelly> you only do zsh completion?
4188[21:11:58] <greycat> Nope.
4189[21:12:09] <jelly> SpeakFreely: seems like a plan
4190[21:12:20] <jelly> I forget gdebi exists.
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4193[21:12:37] <jelly> greycat: luditte!
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4195[21:12:54] <SpeakFreely> jelly, missmbob now I get "Dependency is not satisfiable: nvidia-alternative"
4196[21:13:01] <tispokes> greycat thx, i made a bug report to the translater.
4197[21:13:34] <missmbob> SpeakFreely: i guess you're going to do a lot of this manual install back and forth like the nvidia-support you just did. try that with n-a
4198[21:13:35] <jelly> ,v nvidia-alternative
4199[21:13:36] <judd> Package: nvidia-alternative on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-3; sid/non-free: 367.44-3; experimental/non-free: 370.28-1
4200[21:14:15] <SpeakFreely> so should I build-dep on nvidia-alternative too?
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4202[21:14:29] <jelly> SpeakFreely: is there a nvidia-alternative*.deb built?
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4205[21:14:54] <SpeakFreely> I do have an nvidia-alternative.deb file
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4211[21:15:54] <SpeakFreely> jelly: so doesn't that mean it is built?
4212[21:15:56] * jelly suspects Pre-Depends break gdebi
4213[21:16:04] <missmbob> we tried dpkg -i
4214[21:16:08] <missmbob> that failed too
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4217[21:16:34] <SpeakFreely> Maybe I need to dpkg -i the dependencies before doing the gdebi *.deb?
4218[21:16:57] <jelly> SpeakFreely: dpkg -i nvidia-legacy-check_*.deb, then try to do the same with nvidia-alternative_*.deb again
4219[21:17:03] <SpeakFreely> like I did with nvidia-support but for everything that gives me an error?
4220[21:17:12] <jelly> something like that.
4221[21:17:16] <tispokes> greycat when i change to english, it works fine ;-)
4222[21:17:22] <greycat> Yay.
4223[21:17:40] <jelly> SpeakFreely: Usually apt takes care of that ordering for you, but it needs a repo and your packages are not in a repo
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4226[21:17:45] <greycat> Does it work if you change to English, source bash_completion, change back to German?
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4228[21:18:04] <greycat> I'm not sure if any of what it does is delayed until your first use....
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4230[21:18:23] <SpeakFreely> jelly: looks like legacy-check depends on installer-cleanup, should i dpkg that first? And how fast would it be to set up a local repo if that could possibly fix the problem?
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4233[21:18:58] <yepla> someone can help me to make my xorg.conf.d for my 2 screen ?
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4235[21:19:17] <tispokes> greycat source bash_completion
4236[21:19:17] <tispokes> bash: bash_completion: No such file or directory
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4242[21:19:39] <greycat> tispokes: I was shortening for IRC. I meant "source /etc/bash_completion" as is done in .bashrc
4243[21:19:56] <tispokes> ah sorry, sure, long day....
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4245[21:20:16] <jelly> SpeakFreely: dirty local repo: put all *.deb in a separate directory, say, /mnt/repo. cd /mnt/repo && dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz, then add "deb file:/mnt/repo ./" to sources.list, run apt-get update, and try to "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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4248[21:20:46] <tispokes> greycat nope, as far as i change to german it swallows the T
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4255[21:22:15] <jelly> SpeakFreely: expect warnings about unsigned repository
4256[21:22:25] <greycat> tispokes: ... OK, I just generated the German locale to test...
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4259[21:23:19] <greycat> tispokes: Yeah, it seems to dynamically scan the --help every time you use the completion, not just once. :(
4260[21:23:27] <SpeakFreely> jelly: when I try to run the line "/dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz" I get /dev/null permission denied. That is a separate command than the dpkg-scanpackage . right?
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4262[21:24:02] <greycat> changing back and forth between the locales, I get a different completion each time
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4264[21:24:26] <jelly> SpeakFreely: the command is dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz
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4267[21:24:40] <SpeakFreely> oh ok thanks
4268[21:24:40] <jelly> when you're in the correct directory
4269[21:25:10] <jelly> or in other words, "cd /mnt/repo && dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz"
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4271[21:25:18] <greycat> is the c really needed?
4272[21:25:25] <SpeakFreely> yeah I'm in the dir
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4274[21:25:34] <greycat> I guess it doesn't hurt too much to have one more character.
4275[21:25:40] <SpeakFreely> I just created a temp dir /nvidia_repo
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4277[21:25:51] <jelly> greycat: it was, 15 years ago when I memorized the oneliner?
4278[21:26:06] <jelly> maybe
4279[21:26:14] <greycat> no big deal
4280[21:26:31] <SpeakFreely> so it's /mnt/repo./ ?
4281[21:26:35] <SpeakFreely> for the deb
4282[21:27:25] <jelly> "deb file:/mnt/repo ./"
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4285[21:27:56] <SpeakFreely> ok thanks
4286[21:28:10] <greycat> dpkg, local repository is <reply><jelly> dirty local repo: put all *.deb in a separate directory, say, /mnt/repo. cd /mnt/repo && dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz, then add "deb file:/mnt/repo ./" to sources.list, run apt-get update
4287[21:28:10] <dpkg> okay, greycat
4288[21:28:39] <jelly> there's probably one already
4289[21:28:51] <jelly> dpkg: listvals dpkg-scanpackages
4290[21:28:53] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'dpkg-scanpackages' by value (4): dpkg-scanpackages ;; reprepro ;; local repository ;; own repo.
4291[21:29:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> it sounds dirty, but it must be ok if dpkg says so
4292[21:29:10] <jelly> !own repo
4293[21:29:10] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See replaced-url
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4295[21:29:34] <Agiofws> jelly, missmbob seemed to have solved it on the 7th of september i wonder what could be wrong now.. its a pity i have only remote access ftb... but thank you I'll try again tomorrow replaced-url
4296[21:29:40] <greycat> dpkg-scanpackages is similar
4297[21:29:46] <jelly> no -c even
4298[21:29:52] <jelly> !lose jelly
4299[21:29:52] <dpkg> jelly: You Lose.
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4303[21:31:02] <SpeakFreely> jelly: getting dependancy errors. termbin.com/j6ra
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4316[21:35:33] <SpeakFreely> jelly: do you think I need to download that nvidia-support and it to the package or something?
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4375[21:57:13] <adry> salve
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4377[21:57:19] <adry> !list
4378[21:57:19] <dpkg> adry: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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4380[21:57:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> how is it in italy
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4385[21:58:15] <greycat> It's full of pasta and torrents.
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4387[21:58:24] <ansing> I've got a working system! the stretch installer worked fine. If I wasn't sure about anything I let it default and both windows and debian boot fine from efi.
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4390[21:58:40] <ansing> Weird. KDE defaulted to the plastik window decorations.
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4406[22:05:47] <unborn> ansing: for stretch iso you should really talk to debian-next channel located on another server..
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4412[22:07:23] <unborn> !stretch
4413[22:07:24] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
4414[22:07:41] <ansing> unborn, I'm just commenting about the default, which is largely a matter of taste. As it worked perfectly, I don't need support for it.
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4416[22:07:59] <greycat> How many more releases until they run out of Toy Story N characters?
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4419[22:08:19] <greycat> Assuming no new sequels are made.
4420[22:08:20] <unborn> greycat: about x :)
4421[22:08:42] <ansing> They should switch to Incredibles characters. Debian Frozone
4422[22:08:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, you'll know when the upcoming release is "debian troll"
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4524[22:42:17] <tzuztr> "jobs oracle debian jenkins" googled, anybody can tell me, where I can find debians' tests "oracles"? I do not understand, why I do not find them.
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4527[22:42:37] <tzuztr> Any body can help me?
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4530[22:43:16] <greycat> I can't parse that question at all. Are you asking about database admin jobs for the proprietary Oracle database?
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4532[22:43:38] <teraflops> hehe
4533[22:43:40] <greycat> jobs as in employment, by you, for money, not as in some sort of software concept like shell job control
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4539[22:45:33] <zeerekl> Hello All
4540[22:45:48] <tzuztr> replaced-url
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4543[22:46:06] <tzuztr> greycat these "jobs"
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4545[22:46:11] <greycat> oh, jenkins is the name a Debian host/service...?
4546[22:46:14] <greycat> !jenkins
4547[22:46:24] <greycat> not sure what this has to do with Oracle yet
4548[22:46:28] <tzuztr> normally a test-function has an oracle.
4549[22:46:38] <converge> I need to upgrade python-requests to a newer version, it pip install the best way to do it ?
4550[22:46:40] <converge> *is
4551[22:46:46] <zeerekl> i am looking for a way to delete all file that have not a "change date" (with stat command) with october 10th.
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4554[22:47:09] <zeerekl> i thought the find command could do this
4555[22:47:13] <tzuztr> the oracle: the last part of a testfunction, it is where test failed of not is decided
4556[22:47:13] <zeerekl> any idea ?
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4561[22:48:00] <tzuztr> I parse all you could at it, but I can not find such thing: oracle
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4565[22:48:41] <greycat> zeerekl: touch two files, anywhere. Use touch to give one of them the ctime "00:00 Oct 10" and the other one "23:59:59 Oct 10". Use find -cnewer firstfile ! -cnewer secondfile
4566[22:49:01] <tzuztr> I could easily point someone for others packages oracle if they were python unit test kind tests.
4567[22:49:01] <jhutchins_wk> converge: Building a .deb is probbly the best from a Debian maintenance standpoint.
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4569[22:49:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,v python
4570[22:49:14] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-2; sid: 2.7.11-2
4571[22:49:32] <jhutchins_wk> converge: WHat version do you need?
4572[22:49:51] <converge> jhutchins_wk: the newest, I think it's 2.11
4573[22:50:01] <tzuztr> There is for example a png compare, do not know where, exactly?
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4577[22:50:46] <tzuztr> Nobody got knowledge about your jenkins jobs syntax/contents?
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4581[22:51:12] <tzuztr> black magic?
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4592[22:58:44] <tzuztr> replaced-url
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4612[23:03:44] <Agafnd> what does it mean when a package is marked [ security ]?
4613[23:03:49] <Agafnd> like on replaced-url
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4615[23:04:19] <greycat> I would imagine it means you're looking at a version that is in the security repository, rather than the main repository.
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4618[23:04:31] <greycat> ,v icedove
4619[23:04:32] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.4.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.4.0-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.4.0-1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1
4620[23:04:40] <cra1g321> Agafnd i believe it means that the version listed on that page is an update by the security team
4621[23:04:46] <Agafnd> ah
4622[23:04:49] <cra1g321> rather than my the maintainers
4623[23:04:51] <greycat> aye, jessie-security has a slightly higher version right now
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4640[23:09:31] <Agafnd> seriously, debian? --> replaced-url
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4648[23:11:07] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: that's just a redirect to replaced-url
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4667[23:17:00] <`Kevin> jmcnaught: yea but there shouldnt be SSL issues
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4678[23:18:21] <jmcnaught> sure but does Debian actually link to that page anywhere? that's supposed to be used for the apt sources, which are not https
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4680[23:18:47] <`Kevin> actually.
4681[23:19:01] <`Kevin> jmcnaught: you are right indeed
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4687[23:20:09] <`Kevin> i was assuming it was supposed to be serving something ;)
4688[23:20:23] <`Kevin> given its a pasted link
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4784[23:58:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> following _all_ the tutorials is a surprising strategy
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4786[23:59:57] <TomTomTosch> skokkk: how did you start darkstat, how are you trying to access the graphs.
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