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28 [00:09:25] <pamir> sers
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31 [00:10:45] <pamir> i installed debian today, and i am
pleased.
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44 [00:15:47] <format_c> pamir, great
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47 [00:16:48] <format_c> This was also the first experience I
installed it after using several other distros. This was now quite
some years ago and I'm still happy with it.
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49 [00:17:54] <awal1> !next
50 [00:17:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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57 [00:18:28] <teraflops> !prev
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59 [00:18:37] <awal1> :)
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61 [00:19:00] <pamir> i was here the other day, just
accidentally, because #slackware was joinable only on invite. but i
felt bad, hiding here, pretendeing, when in fct running slackware...
i feel better now, true!
62 [00:19:33] <teraflops> lol
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64 [00:19:41] <pamir> debian seems to install even less crap out
of the box. and i do like the integritiy check of aptitude/synaptics
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66 [00:19:57] <awal1> I wonder who is this silly/pervert guy who
made the following topic:
67 [00:20:01] <awal1> !sex
68 [00:20:01] <dpkg> updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip;
look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install
condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get
remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
69 [00:20:09] <awal1> sorry, guys :P
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71 [00:20:41] <awal1> factoid I meant ^
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73 [00:21:00] <h9k> dangerous, he continues even when not
finding the condom package
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76 [00:21:03] <h9k> could get infected!
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78 [00:21:25] <pamir> very sequential / procedural thinking. i
bet he has a lot of sex.
79 [00:21:35] <pamir> so focused, always.
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135 [00:50:02] <awal1> I wanted to try weechat or irssi and not
sure which is one have more features by default. Tips?
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137 [00:50:48] <awal1> Not looking for a vs b but almst for which
of them have more features by default, without extra configs/script
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141 [00:51:41] <awal1> in the web, weechat is more popular, seems
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143 [00:52:33] <n4dir> yes, i didn't use it, but weechat
seem to have more features.
144 [00:52:48] <n4dir> hearsay
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146 [00:53:06] <awal1> seems, yeah. i guess
tmux+byobu+irssi/wechat would be a nice experience
147 [00:53:34] <n4dir> either one or both have split screen too.
tried it, but ... well: urgh
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149 [00:53:49] <awal1> byobu bcuz of the multitabs, splitting and
tab zoom feature
150 [00:53:57] <n4dir> hard to read anything after the windows
are split
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152 [00:54:30] <awal1> looks like weechat can z a given tab with
alt+z
153 [00:54:31] <teraflops> weechat has a relay mode that works
very well
154 [00:54:40] <awal1> can zoom/focus
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158 [00:55:50] <awal1> i meant, via alt+z one can zoom a splitted
tab when needed, seems
159 [00:56:22] <n4dir> speaking of tmux, byobu, etc, i just ran
into vtwm (?), a tiling thing for tty (can't say it does more
or different than screen/tmux, just saying it exists)
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163 [00:57:20] <awal1> I tried vtwm a moment time ago and I was
lost
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166 [00:57:35] <awal1> crazy WM
167 [00:58:01] <LtL> awal1: F5 or alt-n in weechat moves to the
next buffer very fast, lots of features. probably more than irssi
168 [00:58:28] <LtL> awal1: logging is better also
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170 [00:59:02] <awal1> Ltl: just installed it, and will try it
heavily later
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172 [00:59:29] <awal1> more funny running it in a drop-down
terminal, like guake, yeahconsole or tilda
173 [00:59:31] <hamsheet_> how do I set jumbo frames?
174 [00:59:40] <hamsheet_> stuff liek this does not work for me
ip link set eth1 mtu 9000
175 [00:59:51] <hamsheet_> RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
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198 [01:10:44] <Maskara> wats the diff in the 2 ## on the channel
name vs a single # ?
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201 [01:15:47] <AimHere> Maskara, it's a naming convention;
generally the one hashtag namespace is for officially endorsed
channels for a given project, whereas two hashes are unofficial ones
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205 [01:16:07] <AimHere> IIRC, there are a few exceptions that
slipped the dragnet
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211 [01:18:32] <AimHere> For instance, I wonder what constitutes
an official endorsement of #anime
212 [01:18:40] <AimHere> or #music
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226 [01:23:26] <preaction> there hasn't ever been a dragnet
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242 [01:31:23] <M4GNV5> hey, i currently have a problem that
randomly but very frequently my microphone (webcam mic) volume is
set to 0% (on jessie + gnome) im running ts (nonfree :O) and when
being on another desktop talking to my friends i dont even recognize
that it put down the mic again. Is there a way to list all programs
that change those settings? Might it even be teamspeak? If i
remember correctly i also had this yesterday when trying to record
smth with
243 [01:31:23] <M4GNV5> obs and no teamspeak running
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251 [01:33:10] <M4GNV5> lol wait its not random, when the
"input level" in the sound settings menu goes to ~75%+ it
shuts it off
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258 [01:37:31] <M4GNV5> now that i know when it happens i can
reproduce to 100%:
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260 [01:37:59] <M4GNV5> is that a common/known problem or should
i create a bug report somewhere?
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267 [01:41:33] <alipoor90> why this does not remove bar=start?
268 [01:41:34] <alipoor90> echo 'bar=start "bar=second
CONFIG="$CONFIG bar=s buz=zar bar=g bar=ggg bar=f bar=foo
bar=zoo really?=yes bar=z bar=yes bar=y bar=one bar=o
que=idn"' | sed -e 's/^\|\([" ]\)bar=[^ ]*/\1/g;
s/[ ][ ]\+/ /g'
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273 [01:48:10] <AimHere> alipoor90, because it's looking for
the letters 'bar' after either a space or a double quote
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275 [01:49:30] <alipoor90> ^\| doesn't mean the null string
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277 [01:51:48] <alipoor90> AimHere: ^\| doesn't mean the
null string at the start of the pattern space or the following
(space or DQ)?
278 [01:52:42] <AimHere> Still trying to unpick that bit
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327 [02:24:44] <realies> so i've moved the home directory
and now it doesn't log in lol
328 [02:25:09] <bazhang> realies, moved it where exactly
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330 [02:25:24] <realies> *renamed
331 [02:25:38] <realies> to the same name as the user account
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334 [02:27:06] <realies> the screen goes black for two seconds
and shows up the login page again
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336 [02:27:24] <realies> *login screen
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342 [02:29:20] <realies> do I use usermod to fix?
343 [02:30:36] <realies> weird, i had to login with the old
username in recovery
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347 [02:30:53] <n4dir> there are a few occurences of the username
in the hidden config files. You will have to replace them with the
new name.
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351 [02:31:03] <n4dir> whew: how to find them?
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353 [02:32:20] <n4dir> well: you did edit /etc/passwd ?
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398 [03:11:12] <ghormoon> hi, is there a way to get lxc-top
without recompiling lxc from sources?
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400 [03:11:34] <bazhang> for lxcontainer?
401 [03:11:52] <ghormoon> I've googled up it was removed:
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406 [03:12:03] <ghormoon> and I can't find any package that
has it
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409 [03:12:38] <bazhang> they have a channel here on freenode
410 [03:13:08] <ghormoon> well, this looks like debian specific
changeto me
411 [03:13:26] <ghormoon> though I might try that too
412 [03:13:57] <bazhang> sure
413 [03:14:04] <bazhang> just a fyi
414 [03:14:14] <Devastator> what's the current status of
stretch? already in freeze?
415 [03:14:32] <gry> no, that's planned for march next year
I thought
416 [03:14:51] <ghormoon> wiki says 2017-01-05: "Soft"
freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, normal migrations)
417 [03:14:51] <Devastator> gry thank you
418 [03:14:51] <ghormoon> 2017-02-05: Full freeze
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421 [03:15:30] <gry> after soft freeze are people allowed to do
package updates? :(
422 [03:15:50] <gry> I have a few things I wanted to update and I
had march in my list of deadlines for that, alas
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425 [03:16:18] <Devastator> well, I plan to build a samba server,
samba guys says 4.2.10 is EOL, it seems not possible to backport
samba from sid because of libs conflicts.. erm, what should I do?
426 [03:16:29] <ghormoon> not really sure, better confirm this at
#debian-next @oftc
427 [03:17:28] <Devastator> ghormoon thank you
428 [03:17:37] <ghormoon> Devastator: if I need to update
packages like that that are not backported, I usually grap deb src
and build it on jessie bo
429 [03:17:51] <ghormoon> like 90% of times it works
430 [03:17:53] <ghormoon> not always though
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432 [03:18:04] <Devastator> ghormoon yes, but it is rather hard
to maintain packages manually :(
433 [03:18:13] <ghormoon> Devastator: that #deaiban-next thing
was for gry sorry :)
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435 [03:18:34] <Devastator> hum :(
436 [03:18:47] <Devastator> I was about to join there hahah
437 [03:18:56] <ghormoon> usually just copying package from newer
release doesn't work, it;s build with new libraries
438 [03:19:06] <ghormoon> it;s less pain to rebuild, trust me :)
439 [03:19:30] <Devastator> yes and if you check backport.. it is
painful
440 [03:19:38] <ghormoon> I was doing this withqemu for like 2
years and even adding patches until it got upstreamed and backported
to jessie-backports :D
441 [03:19:39] <Devastator> judd ,checkbackport samba
442 [03:19:49] <Devastator> ,checkbackport samba
443 [03:19:50] <judd> Backporting package samba in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.27~), libtalloc-dev (>=
2.1.8~), libtdb-dev (>= 1.3.10~), libtevent-dev (>= 0.9.29~),
python-ldb (>= 2:1.1.26~), python-ldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.26~),
python-talloc-dev (>= 2.1.8~), python-tdb (>= 1.3.8~).
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445 [03:20:26] <Devastator> I wish someone could maintain it in
jessie-backports :(
446 [03:20:30] <ghormoon> maybe the stretch version would be
enough?
447 [03:21:03] <Devastator> should be, but then, how to check if
it is compatible with jessie libraries?
448 [03:21:13] <ghormoon> just build it :P
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450 [03:21:21] <ghormoon> worst case it won't build
451 [03:21:21] <ghormoon> :)
452 [03:22:09] <Devastator> ghormoon it should build, my problem
with building myself is usually maintained versions receives
security updates much quicker with cherry-picked patches
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455 [03:22:34] <ghormoon> yeah, I had this issue too, I was
updating the qemu max per 3 months or so
456 [03:22:40] <ghormoon> not good :)
457 [03:22:47] <ghormoon> setup a CI for that :)
458 [03:22:52] <Devastator> CI?
459 [03:22:52] <ghormoon> and a repo
460 [03:23:03] <ghormoon> something that wuld rebuild each new
stretch package
461 [03:23:05] <ghormoon> :)
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463 [03:23:24] <Devastator> ugh
464 [03:23:55] <ghormoon> btw why are you upgraing, any specific
issue/feature?
465 [03:24:08] <Devastator> ghormoon upgrading what?
466 [03:24:12] <ghormoon> samba
467 [03:24:26] <Devastator> ghormoon I was told by samba support
that 4.2 is EOL
468 [03:24:50] <ghormoon> if that is only reason, I'd wait
for stretch stable release and upgrade to strretch later :)
469 [03:25:02] <ghormoon> not waste time on this unless I really
need this
470 [03:25:06] <ghormoon> much pain :)
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472 [03:25:18] <Devastator> indeed
473 [03:25:26] <ghormoon> I hope to never need it again like with
the qemu
474 [03:25:31] <ghormoon> so much time burnt in :)
475 [03:25:50] <Devastator> but stretch will be release maybe mid
next year?!
476 [03:26:01] <ghormoon> yeah, that's kinda likely
477 [03:26:26] <Devastator> a long time ahead until its release..
478 [03:27:13] <ghormoon> well, debian maintains support fixes
for the packages, so using EOL version shoudln't be an issue
unless you need some feature from new one
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480 [03:28:06] <Devastator> ghormoon I think would not hurt to
ask the package maintainer as well, if he plans to port 4.4 to
Jessie or something
481 [03:28:10] <Devastator> unlikely but..
482 [03:29:08] <ghormoon> well you can try
483 [03:29:15] <ghormoon> for me 4.2 works so I don't care
484 [03:29:16] <ghormoon> :)
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486 [03:29:35] <Devastator> ghormoon you seem to know a lot about
VMs, correct?
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488 [03:29:45] <ghormoon> debian has older packages than most
distributions, but at least it's rock stable
489 [03:29:56] <ghormoon> depends what is "a lot" :)
490 [03:30:29] <ghormoon> my workstation (laptop) is a set of
10-30vms based on context (mostly containers, few kvm ones)
491 [03:30:56] <Devastator> ghormoon is it correct to say that
KVM and qemu is the same thing?
492 [03:31:07] <ghormoon> and yes, I had to patch the emu for
some very specific tasks for some time, because I'm doing vga
passthough (of inly vga in laptop) and I needed ps/2 keyboard
passthrough
493 [03:31:08] <ghormoon> :)
494 [03:31:50] <ghormoon> in most cases, when people say
"kvm" they mean that they use kvm for CPU and qemu for
devices/all the rest VM needs
495 [03:32:35] <ghormoon> by default, qemu emulates the CPU,
which is hell slow, but you can use KVM instead (almost all cpus
nowadays support vt-x), to speed things up a lot
496 [03:33:05] <Devastator> ghormoon well, I've used
virt-manager to create the ones I have
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498 [03:33:38] <ghormoon> I don't use virt manager, so
I'm not 100% sure, but I'd expect it will create them with
kvm if possible, or maybe there's a checkbox for vt-x
499 [03:34:22] <Devastator> unfortunately #kvm and #libvirt are
usually dead, so I think their support is rather scarse
500 [03:34:49] <Devastator> ghormoon I wanted "the most
pure" VM solution, instead of xen, openvz etc
501 [03:35:54] <ghormoon> well, depends on your usecase, kvm is
full virtualisation, openvz is container virtualisation, which have
different usecases and (dis)advantages
502 [03:36:05] <ghormoon> xen can do something simmilar to both
types
503 [03:36:12] <ghormoon> so you can choose
504 [03:36:24] <ghormoon> I personally do kvm for fullvirt and
lxc for containers
505 [03:36:39] <Devastator> ghormoon understood, virtualisation
is a complex subject I guess
506 [03:36:44] <Devastator> many many options..
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508 [03:37:54] <ghormoon> yeah, eg. in my usecase I wouldn't
be able to have this many VMs at once on a laptop with fullvirt, but
I can have 30 containers and everything is fine. fullwirt will burn
me just on the kernels, not to mention that I won't have enough
RAM
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510 [03:38:45] <ghormoon> fullvirt is more universal, you can run
anything inside, but for higher cost
511 [03:39:23] <Devastator> ghormoon thank you for the
clarifications :)
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526 [03:55:51] <rocketmagnet> i've a question: how can i
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more download rate than the one that's using all of the
bandwidth ?
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563 [04:19:53] <Richard_Cavell> umode +R
564 [04:20:00] <Richard_Cavell> woops sorry
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627 [05:13:00] <degarmo> I'm an Unbuntu newbie looking for
someone to remote in and help me install my printer
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629 [05:13:42] <somiaj> !ubuntu
630 [05:13:42] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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632 [05:13:54] <somiaj> degarmo: then you should start by asking
for support using ubuntu support communities.
633 [05:14:00] <degarmo> Oh thanks.
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635 [05:14:50] <degarmo> no one is in #Ubunti
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637 [05:15:08] <i-kill-frogs> my psychiatrist asked me if I ever
killed anything
638 [05:15:09] <somiaj> degarmo: it is #ubuntu
639 [05:15:20] <degarmo> right
640 [05:15:23] <i-kill-frogs> such questions annoyed me, so I
went to his desk where he keeps his pet frog
641 [05:15:31] <i-kill-frogs> and I removed its head with a
scissors
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646 [05:15:35] <degarmo> typo. It's empy
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648 [05:15:52] <somiaj> degarmo: it isn't there are people
there. though I think the forum support for ubuntu is more where
things are
649 [05:16:32] <degarmo> I have basic printer functionality but
am trying to install the drivers and not having any luck
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653 [05:17:37] <degarmo> certainly there is someone here who
would like be willing to remote in a help a newbie to is happy to
have left the MS world
654 [05:18:56] <chomwitt2> in testing i have 4.8.0.1 but headers
i can find only 4.8.0.2
655 [05:19:17] <somiaj> ,v linux-headers-amd64
656 [05:19:18] <judd> Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 --
wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63;
jessie-backports: 4.7+75~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8+77; sid: 4.8+77
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660 [05:20:53] <somiaj> chomwitt2: you may just have an old
package installed or it is currently being updated. Here the package
is linux-headers-4.8.0-2
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662 [05:21:55] <somiaj> the migration to testing was a few days
ago, just make sure you have ran apt-get update
663 [05:23:00] <degarmo> no one in #unbuntu
664 [05:23:02] <somiaj> degarmo: ##linux is a generic linux
channel if #ubuntu is unresponsive
665 [05:23:38] <somiaj> degarmo: but this is not the place to ask
questions about ubuntu.
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668 [05:24:14] <degarmo> Step2. Open a terminal window and go to
the directory you downloaded the file to in the last step.
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670 [05:24:25] <degarmo> that's the step that is fouling me
up
671 [05:25:06] <chomwitt2> it seem that my kernel is 'held
back' to 4.8.0-1
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674 [05:27:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> I cringe whenever someone tries
to install random stuff from internet. :(
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678 [05:28:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> degarmo, doesn't Ubuntu
provide a driver for your printer already?
679 [05:29:29] <degarmo> It does for basic printer functionality
but not for the scanner
680 [05:29:41] <degarmo> I can print now, but cannot use my
scanner
681 [05:29:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> degarmo, what printer is it?
682 [05:29:59] <degarmo> I am set up Wirelessly
683 [05:30:12] <degarmo> MFC-9325CW
684 [05:30:21] <somiaj> again this is off topic here. Pleaset
take this question to an appropriate channel.
685 [05:30:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, Brother./
686 [05:30:29] <somiaj> either #ubuntu, ##linux or the ubuntu
forms.
687 [05:30:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ok ,let's talk in #ubuntu.
688 [05:30:48] <degarmo> cool thanks.
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741 [06:35:10] <Maskara> guys is gettext a common module that can
be updated by itself?
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743 [06:36:41] <Maskara> im installing corebird and my last step
before install hangs bec it says my gettext is out of date
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745 [06:37:05] <Maskara> or it needs the one version higher than
my current one
746 [06:38:42] <somiaj> I don't follow what it is you are
talking about?
747 [06:39:04] <somiaj> ,v gettext-base
748 [06:39:12] <judd> Package: gettext-base on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.18.1.1-9; wheezy-backports: 0.19.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.19.3-2;
jessie-backports: 0.19.8.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.19.8.1-1; stretch:
0.19.8.1-1
749 [06:40:03] <somiaj> seems you can get a newer version from
jessie-backports for the binary /usr/bin/gettext, but unsure what
you mean by module.
750 [06:41:36] <Maskara> i just called it a module bec it stands
apart from the actual language ur using to code a
751 [06:42:06] <Maskara> ok so i can just grab that
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755 [06:43:49] <Maskara> ugh binary
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774 [06:57:45] <Maskara> i have ver....19.3 latest is ...19.8 i
totally misunderstood wat gettext was
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793 [07:17:05] <Maskara> ...actually i didnt ...gettext is a
royal pain in the ass
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815 [07:36:34] <Maskara> crash_override ?! srsly?
816 [07:36:50] <Maskara> ugh i needed that
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818 [07:37:06] <Anselmo> hmm?
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823 [07:37:41] <Maskara> his nick from hackers movie lol amusing
824 [07:38:01] <Anselmo> oh, ha
825 [07:38:02] <Maskara> lord nikkon
826 [07:38:12] <Maskara> zero cool
827 [07:38:18] <Maskara> crash override
828 [07:38:37] <Anselmo> I recall
829 [07:38:45] <Anselmo> a thuroughly fun film
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831 [07:39:22] <Maskara> absolutely 8bit graphics and all
832 [07:39:38] <Anselmo> hehe
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834 [07:40:21] <Anselmo> and the just, abstract computer sysstem
illustrations. . .
835 [07:40:24] <Anselmo> it was all weird.
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837 [07:41:18] <Maskara> lol unix file system superimposed
transparent and in big blocks ..like a neighborhood
838 [07:41:27] <Anselmo> heheh
839 [07:41:39] <Anselmo> and bright colours with poor computer
graphics
840 [07:42:02] <Maskara> but hey one could say it inspired 3d
desktops
841 [07:42:40] <Anselmo> hehe
842 [07:43:28] <Anselmo> it is kinda, absurd though
843 [07:43:35] <Anselmo> all the people in it seem very cool
844 [07:44:02] <Anselmo> (unlike real computer geeks :P )
845 [07:44:09] <Maskara> holywood spin...how else were they gonna
sell it
846 [07:44:22] <Anselmo> hah
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848 [07:45:05] <Maskara> there he is crash overide himself
849 [07:45:18] <Anselmo> welcome back again crash
850 [07:45:34] <crash_override> ok
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852 [07:45:55] <Anselmo> your name was sparking conversation
853 [07:46:01] <Maskara> we were reminicing hackers movie living
vicariously thru your nick
854 [07:46:15] <crash_override> it is a good film
855 [07:46:35] <Maskara> it was the coolest nerd flick back in
the day
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926 [08:42:25] <mugiwara> how can i give an user root privileges,
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927 [08:44:46] <nkuttler> mugiwara: what are you trying to do?
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930 [08:46:26] <mugiwara> add a new user with root permission so
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each other home folder
931 [08:46:34] <mugiwara> does it have any sense?
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936 [08:51:40] <BenNZ> mugiwara: just allow that user to have
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1095 [10:56:26] <Freemon> hello
1096 [10:56:34] <Freemon> how to install gcc 5.4.1
1097 [10:56:52] <Freemon> mine shows its already installed
"gcc is already the newest version (4:6.2.1-1).
1098 [10:56:52] <Freemon> "
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1106 [11:00:51] <SynrG> Freemon: why would you want that version?
5.4.1 is lower than 6.2.1 ...
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1111 [11:03:25] <Freemon> vmware wants it to complie its shit
libraries
1112 [11:03:32] <Freemon> anyways just got it done :)
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1170 [11:41:01] <swensson> Hey guys, I'm trying to setup my
xterm terminal. I got it transperent by "[ -n
"$XTERM_VERSION" ] && transset-df --id
"$WINDOWID" >/dev/null" but I want the background
black and font white, so I start it with "xterm -rv" but
then it's no longer transperent.. .Anyone know how to solve
this?
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1188 [11:44:26] <jamesl> ldapsearch on my clients shows the LDAP
server with all its users, however I cannot login using pam_ldap. I
am following
replaced-url
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1190 [11:45:44] <SynrG> swensson: dunno, but urxvt is pretty
decent as a transparent terminal if you can't solve it with
xterm
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1193 [11:46:13] <charlie34> is it possible to use root login with
live cd ? or only sudo ?
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1197 [11:47:09] <SynrG> There's no root password, but you can
set one. Why?
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1199 [11:47:39] <SynrG> ok, be like that :p
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1329 [12:43:12] <_Maze> ayy lmao
1330 [12:43:53] <_Maze> its quite laggy using dsl & nIRC
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1385 [13:07:14] <sigdk> how do I find my IP inside the vpn I am?
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1391 [13:07:41] <han-solo> ip addr show?
1392 [13:08:08] <han-solo> hostname -I
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1394 [13:08:17] <sigdk> is it the ppp0 field?
1395 [13:08:56] <SynrGy> probably
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1399 [13:10:03] <alex___> hey guys
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1401 [13:10:34] <tx> hey guy.
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1403 [13:10:53] <alex___> i recently upgraded from jessie to
testing "scratch" and i have some weird rendering glitches
1404 [13:10:58] <alex___> ill post an image in a second
1405 [13:11:16] <tx> you might want to try #debian-next
1406 [13:11:17] <SynrGy> alex___: scratch is not a debian release
codename. itym "stretch"
1407 [13:11:30] <alex___> ok my bad i cant spell
1408 [13:11:35] <tx> (on oftc)
1409 [13:11:38] <SynrGy> alex___: and yes, we can help you better
on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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1412 [13:12:36] <alex___> SynrGy how do i go to #debian-next, it
says i need to be invited
1413 [13:12:44] <SynrGy> alex___: what was the purpose of that
upgrade? normally installing newer packages from backports is
preferred
1414 [13:12:57] <SynrGy> alex___: read closely. @ irc.oftc.net
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1421 [13:13:55] <alex___> i updated becouse i couldn't get
mate-tweak with current version of mate
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1425 [13:14:49] <SynrGy> !sns
1426 [13:14:49] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1428 [13:15:44] <unborn> shit syndrome is my favour :)
1429 [13:15:44] <SynrGy> alex___: you really don't want to be
on testing just for a frivolous reason like that :(
1430 [13:16:00] <MaBunny> alex__ you will find better help in
#debian-next
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1433 [13:17:41] <jamesl> what are good reasons to be on testing? I
upgraded to testing just because
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1435 [13:18:26] <SynrGy> jamesl: "just because" is a
fine reason if it's a non-production system and you like
adventures :)
1436 [13:18:28] <alex___> i've gone to #debian-next, i was on
archlinux before
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1439 [13:18:41] <alex___> i didnt think its that easily broken
1440 [13:18:43] <SynrGy> unfortunately, a lot of people don't
count the downsides
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1442 [13:19:22] <alex___>
replaced-url
1443 [13:19:35] <SynrGy> !sid faq
1444 [13:19:35] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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1447 [13:20:55] <alex___> SynrGy: i've been using archlinux
for like a year or two and had no problems with bleeding edge, so my
logic is why would here be any
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1453 [13:22:48] <unborn> Alex__ because we are debian - so stable
you know..
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1476 [13:35:11] <ubd> hello
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1478 [13:37:10] <ubd> i installed a base system. iwas able to
connect via wifi using wpasupplicant. but after i installed
network-manager (before installing xorg etc..) . i am disconnected
and cant connect the sameway because of device busy error. what do i
do
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1483 [13:38:22] <zxcvbn> remove network-manager?
1484 [13:38:54] <ubd> that seems reasonable ill try
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1486 [13:39:25] <mizerian> I am liking debian lately wow
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1488 [13:40:01] <han-solo> what?
1489 [13:40:14] <mizerian> me?
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1491 [13:40:32] <han-solo> no
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1495 [13:41:35] <ubd> macbook?
1496 [13:42:29] <for{}> mizerian, are you a romanian?
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1498 [13:44:10] <ubd> zxcvbn: that solved my problem after a
restart. but of course this wasnt a very delicate solution ) i had
to stop a particular daemon or somthn
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1502 [13:47:57] <for{}> mizerian, i speak romanian too, its nice
to see romanian fellows here
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1505 [13:48:37] <ubd> eta pravda?
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1507 [13:49:16] <for{}> 'pravda' was a communist
newspaper
1508 [13:49:21] <mizerian> no I just read the dying earth by jack
vance
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1511 [13:49:42] <mizerian>
replaced-url
1512 [13:50:01] <mizerian> are there a lot of cool romanian names?
1513 [13:50:11] <for{}> mizerian!=mazirian
1514 [13:50:20] <mizerian> ah
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1516 [13:50:32] <for{}> confess: are you romanian?
1517 [13:50:41] <mizerian> I am american
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1519 [13:50:49] <for{}> do you speak romanian?
1520 [13:50:57] <mizerian> not a word
1521 [13:51:09] <for{}> ok then, sorry for bothering you
1522 [13:51:11] <mizerian> I took some latin
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1524 [13:51:23] <mizerian> tell me some romanaian cool stuff
1525 [13:51:36] <for{}> i dont know romanian cool stuff
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1528 [13:52:13] <han-solo> i think count dracula was a romanian?
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1530 [13:52:17] <ubd> probably they have beautiful girls there
1531 [13:52:29] <for{}> i dont think dracula is cool
1532 [13:52:37] <for{}> beautiful!=cool
1533 [13:52:51] <han-solo> well #debian-offtopic
1534 [13:52:58] <for{}> im off
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1540 [13:54:12] <strk> why is unetbootin not packaged in Debian
and how to make bootable usb in alternative ?
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1546 [13:56:07] <SynrGy> !unetbootin
1547 [13:56:07] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
1548 [13:56:24] <SynrGy> strk: normally not needed for debian
images. they are hybrid, so need no conversion
1549 [13:56:40] <unborn> !unetbootin
1550 [13:56:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
1551 [13:56:50] <for{}> whats a hybrid image?
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1553 [13:57:04] <SynrGy> !hybrid images
1554 [13:57:04] <dpkg> Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release,
Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>,
<CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly
to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation.
See
replaced-url
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1556 [13:57:19] <unborn> for{}: sorry - you can goolge this crap
out..
1557 [13:57:54] <SynrGy> or ask dpkg bot directly. any factoid
that has angle-brackets around a term is another factoid name ...
/query dpkg
1558 [13:58:02] <for{}> are there debian isos with the same
drivers as ubuntu isos?
1559 [13:58:14] <strk> this is for
ubuntustudio-16.04.1-dvd-amd64.iso
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1561 [13:58:33] <unborn> for{}: debian !=ubuntu
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1563 [13:58:34] <SynrGy> for{}: what are you trying to accomplish?
ubuntu and debian are different distros. we can tell you what's
in debian, but you have to go to #ubuntu for that
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1566 [13:58:58] <SynrGy> for that = ubuntu
1567 [13:59:14] <for{}> id like to use debian instead of ubuntu
but from what i read i have to build my debian iso for my hardware
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1569 [13:59:29] <strk> do you know of a debian based
music-oriented live system ?
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1571 [13:59:33] <SynrGy> for{}: what is your hardware, is what
we've been trying to get from you
1572 [13:59:48] <SynrGy> strk: debian-based is not debian. we
support debian here.
1573 [14:00:09] <way218> for{}: just download the jessie image and
try to boot. chances are high that it just works
1574 [14:00:18] <for{}> SynrGy, i tried to install debian and i
was prompted for firmware or something like that
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1579 [14:01:16] <way218> in which step ?
1580 [14:01:18] <way218> network ?
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1582 [14:01:23] <SynrGy> strk: it would be unusual in 2016 for
them to not use hybrid images, since they've been around for a
while. check ubuntustudio's doc to see
1583 [14:01:24] <for{}> yes
1584 [14:01:44] <way218> i guess it was missing firmware for you
wifi. do you have ethernet available for install ?
1585 [14:01:44] <SynrGy> for{}: use the firmware install image
then
1586 [14:01:55] <MaBunny> for{} debian also comes in firmware
included isos
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1588 [14:02:12] <for{}> SynrGy, is there an officially supported
firmware install image?
1589 [14:02:15] <SynrGy> !firmware-image
1590 [14:02:24] <SynrGy> !firmware image
1591 [14:02:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
1592 [14:02:39] <SynrGy> for{}: as you can see, it is unofficial.
but we can answer questions about it here
1593 [14:02:43] <han-solo> iwlwifi for intel's, i guess
1594 [14:02:44] <zxcvbn> debian, when installed from
netinst-minimal, with minimal desktop configuration (XOrg + openbox
+ nodm), always plays music with glitches and clicks, and changing
player CPU priority doesnt help. Debian, when installed from
full-size install (with KDE or GNOME etc) plays music ok. What am I
doing wrong and where is the secret?
1595 [14:03:07] <for{}> SynrGy, whats the difference between an
official image and unofficial image?
1596 [14:03:20] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: maybe install pulseaudio?
1597 [14:03:23] * SynrGy shrugs
1598 [14:03:24] <way218> you can also but the firmware on a usb
stick and mount it during install but this requieres at least a 101
in shell kungfu
1599 [14:03:54] <SynrGy> for{}: the inclusion of material that
fails the DFSG (debian free software guidelines) like firmwares that
are not distributed under free licenses
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1601 [14:04:11] <SynrGy> for{}: otherwise, they're the same
1602 [14:04:35] <zxcvbn> SynrGy: Why pulseaudio can help?
Where's the secret? Does pulseaudio have audio buffer?
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1604 [14:04:40] <for{}> SynrGy, so the same build quality, the
same people who made official isos made the unofficial isos too?
1605 [14:04:45] <strk> SynrGy: is there a pre-configured debian
system for music production shipped as a live image ? :)
1606 [14:05:06] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: beats me. i'm just pointing
out one obvious difference between gnome and a minimal install
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1609 [14:05:12] <mizerian> why is bash so fat?
1610 [14:05:16] <mizerian> 4m ram?
1611 [14:05:17] <mizerian> wtf
1612 [14:05:22] <mizerian> for 1 xterm
1613 [14:05:24] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: honestly, if you go minimal,
you're expected to work harder at solving your own problems
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1615 [14:05:27] <way218> question: my notebook started to boot
into kdm with wrong resolution on first try. after restarting kdm it
is fine again. i am using intel drivers. do you have a pointer where
to look at ?
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1619 [14:06:02] <zxcvbn> SynrGy: I will try pulseaudio, thanks. I
will remember you and write you later someday :)
1620 [14:06:21] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: just address the channel, please.
i'm no expert :/
1621 [14:06:26] <zxcvbn> :(
1622 [14:06:26] <for{}> SynrGy, sorry to repeat myself, but the
same people who made official isos made the unofficial isos too?
1623 [14:06:32] <SynrGy> the channel on the whole is smarter than
any one individual here
1624 [14:06:34] <at0m> strk: av-linux is debian based and runs
from usb/dvd
1625 [14:06:46] <SynrGy> for{}: yes.
1626 [14:06:52] <for{}> SynrGy, thanks
1627 [14:07:12] <SynrGy> strk: not that i know of, no.
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1629 [14:07:39] <strk> at0m:
replaced-url
1630 [14:07:50] <SynrGy> strk: the live images include one per
desktop and a standard (no gui) image.
1631 [14:08:27] <SynrGy> strk: the idea with those images is not
to custom tailor anything, but give you an out-of-the-box experience
just as if you had installed a system, except live
1632 [14:08:35] <zxcvbn> I didnt know that 'gnome' also
requires 'pulseaudio'. Thats why I want minimal - I dont
like thousands of packets without knowing how they get here
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1634 [14:09:08] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: very well, but modern desktops
solve a lot of problems you have to solve on your own if you go
"minimal"
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1636 [14:09:25] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: maybe try a less-fat desktop
instead? most depend on pulse
1637 [14:09:45] <SynrGy> lxde, xfce4, mate ...
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1639 [14:10:09] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: you could try a live image and
see if any of them suit you
1640 [14:11:04] <zxcvbn> SynrGy: thats long story :) Somewhere was
a table of comparison of RAM between desktops - and those
'tiny' desktops are not always really tiny
1641 [14:11:26] <TomTomTo1> DE and minimal don't really fit
together. the idea of a DE is to bundle software for convenience.
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1643 [14:11:36] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: i run lxde happily on a 2G ram
netbook, with just small configuration changes
1644 [14:11:54] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: for example, i don't need a
file manager or screensaver, so i don't start those
1645 [14:12:19] <TomTomTo1> pick a window manager and whatever
else you need.
1646 [14:12:42] <SynrGy> TomTomTo1: the problem i'm
addressing is "why don't thinks 'just work' when
I install a minimal system?"
1647 [14:12:48] <zxcvbn> old Windows XP still works very good on
256M..
1648 [14:12:48] <SynrGy> things*
1649 [14:13:06] <SynrGy> you can certainly get away with just alsa
...
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1651 [14:13:15] <SynrGy> but my experience is that tailoring alsa
can be a world of pain
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1653 [14:13:55] <SynrGy> zxcvbn: if you really insist on staying
quite minimal, then work harder at tweaking alsa (buffers and
whatnot; google is your friend ... also the alsa wiki is quite good)
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1655 [14:15:40] <zxcvbn> SynrGy: thanks for explanation. I tried
to solve audio problems by tuning CPU priority and even switching to
real-time kernel but that didnt help. I will google about alsa and
pulseaudio setup
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1660 [14:22:26] <mizerian> why debian over freebsd?
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1687 [14:44:17] <kayhayen1> hello there, I had to reinstall my
windows 10, and now update-grub doesn't find it anymore,
it's EFI
1688 [14:44:43] <kayhayen1> So I installed grub-efi, but how to
use it, my Debian doesn't boot via EFI, seems unable to change
it
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1690 [14:46:59] <kayhayen1> efibootmgr
1691 [14:46:59] <kayhayen1> EFI variables are not supported on
this system.
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1693 [14:47:16] <kayhayen1> How can I get out of that? Seems
chicken and egg...
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1695 [14:47:32] <kayhayen1> The Debian installer ISO seems to not
support booting as UEFI, does it?
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1697 [14:48:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> kayhayen1, it does support UEFI
boot.
1698 [14:48:33] <Aquarius1> Hi, I have a restore problem with deja
dup. Says 'error creating directory: Permission denied."
Restoring back up from earlier installation to new one.
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1700 [14:48:58] <kayhayen1> Eduard_Munteanu: yes it does, i am
sure of that. Actually I now have the same issue on two systems. One
new HP latop, where the Debian is installed via legacy bios, and
Windows run from UEFI.
1701 [14:49:00] <tremon> kayhayen1: so how are you booting into
debian? Do you switch the bios between efi and legacy every time you
switch from debian to windows?
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1703 [14:49:26] <kayhayen1> I chose boot menu, and there is
windows boot loader, but also the disks
1704 [14:49:38] <kayhayen1> i chose the disk that Debian has grub
installed in MBR.
1705 [14:50:11] <tremon> ah ok so your bios switches boot mode
automatically
1706 [14:50:17] <kayhayen1> So, yes, only BIOS boot order allows
me to dual boot right now, not nice
1707 [14:50:49] <kayhayen1> tremon: this is the case on both
machines, seems I boot via MBR (legacy, UEFI becomes inaccessible)
1708 [14:51:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> kayhayen1, you should boot from
the Debian install CD in rescue mode
1709 [14:51:42] <kayhayen1> the Debian install CD supports no
UEFI, does it?
1710 [14:51:56] <tremon> it does
1711 [14:52:03] <kayhayen1> Have to say here, that I am booting
via USB if that matters
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1713 [14:52:37] <tremon> but it shouldn't be necessary. As
long as you have the ESP mounted on /boot/efi, you can install and
configure grub-efi normally
1714 [14:52:45] <kayhayen1> it really should, I agree... many
machines wouldn't boot otherwise.
1715 [14:53:05] <kayhayen1> I don't have that mount tremon
1716 [14:53:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> tremon, you won't get the
boot menu updated from non-EFI boot
1717 [14:53:15] <kayhayen1> so maybe that is what I lack then
1718 [14:53:42] <tremon> then you need to either manually select
to boot grubx64.efi from your bios, or download shellx64.efi, put
that on the ESP and boot into that
1719 [14:54:10] <tremon> but how to configure your bios isn't
something that we can easily tell you here, it varies per vendor
1720 [14:54:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> There should be an EFI shell in
the boot options.
1721 [14:55:08] <kayhayen1> yes, I have that, I won't know
what to put there
1722 [14:55:32] <kayhayen1> but seems, I just need to find out,
then I can update to EFI grub afterwards
1723 [14:55:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> You'll need to make room
for the ESP partition.
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1726 [14:56:25] <wigust> Aquarius1: Where do you try to restore?
Can you create file in this directory?
1727 [14:56:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> I think non-EFI Debian installer
installs without EFI support.
1728 [14:56:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> (if booted non-EFI, that is)
1729 [14:57:00] <kayhayen1> Eduard_Munteanu: I have the
traditional layout indeed
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1731 [14:57:04] <tremon> kayhayen1: the efi shell is quite similar
to the old dos command prompt. you can use <disk>: to change
partitions, use cd to change directories and run any .EFI
executables
1732 [14:57:13] <RajRajRaj> Hi i have debian in external hdd. Is
there a way i can install it via hdd. Without transferring it to usb
1733 [14:57:21] <RajRajRaj> Please help
1734 [14:57:27] <kayhayen1> tremon: so you think it's
discoverable
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1736 [14:57:35] <kayhayen1> will it need arguments?
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1740 [14:57:56] <kayhayen1> I didn't find the shell efi thing
you mentioned yet
1741 [14:57:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> kayhayen1, if you have a boot
partition, you could delete it, create ESP and recreate /boot
1742 [14:58:17] <kayhayen1> no boot partition...
1743 [14:58:33] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: you can dd the install uso
to an external hdd if that's what you meant
1744 [14:58:36] <kayhayen1> but it's OK, I can go through a
KNOPPIX boot
1745 [14:58:48] <tremon> he already has an ESP, otherwise windows
wouldn't boot in efi mode
1746 [14:58:52] <teraflops> dd/cp/cat or whatever
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1748 [14:58:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, right.
1749 [14:58:57] <tremon> just needs to mount that on /boot/efi
1750 [14:59:04] <RajRajRaj> teraflops: i have all 4 iso on
external hdd
1751 [14:59:07] <teraflops> iso*
1752 [14:59:31] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: wich part of what I wrote
did you miss
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1755 [14:59:47] <tremon> kayhayen1:
replaced-url
1756 [14:59:48] <kayhayen1> where does "shell.efi" or so
normally live then
1757 [15:00:03] <Guest5059> hello！
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1759 [15:00:20] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: also that's not what
you say ah the beginning
1760 [15:00:24] <RajRajRaj> teraflops: i already have that but i
want to instal it as secondary os on my primary harddisk
1761 [15:00:41] <kayhayen1> tremon: ah here i thought this was
part of Debian grub-efi
1762 [15:00:43] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: I don't get what you
mean then
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1765 [15:01:00] <RajRajRaj> I want to install debian
1766 [15:01:09] <RajRajRaj> In my laptop
1767 [15:01:18] <tremon> kayhayen1: I have shellx64.efi in the
root of my ESP (so /boot/efi/shellx64.efi) but there's also a
copy in /boot/efi/tools/shell.efi. Not sure which is the canonical
path
1768 [15:01:19] <teraflops> yeah sure that's the only thing
it's clear
1769 [15:01:46] <tremon> err that's
/boot/efi/EFI/tools/shell.efi
1770 [15:01:46] <RajRajRaj> But 4 iso of debian are in external
hard disk
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1772 [15:02:15] <RajRajRaj> How would you install them
1773 [15:02:28] <tremon> kayhayen1: no the efi shell is part of
Intel's efi developer kit
1774 [15:02:31] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: you need a bootable install
media
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1776 [15:02:43] <kayhayen1> tremon: i don't have that file
yet
1777 [15:02:47] <RajRajRaj> Thats what i want to ignore
1778 [15:02:52] <RajRajRaj> Or avoid
1779 [15:03:03] <kayhayen1> apt-file search shell.efi yields
nothing
1780 [15:03:05] <RajRajRaj> Direct installation from hdd
1781 [15:03:16] <kayhayen1> I assume, grub-install would build it,
if I was on an UEFI system
1782 [15:03:34] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: again. you need a bootle
media
1783 [15:03:38] <teraflops> bootable
1784 [15:03:39] <tremon> kayhayen1: it's not packaged in
debian, you need to download the binary from the internet (yes,
yuck, I know)
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1787 [15:04:29] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: or a pre existing linux for
doing chroot. or booting the iso from grub
1788 [15:04:30] <RajRajRaj> I dont have a 20gb usb pen drive
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1791 [15:04:50] <RajRajRaj> I have preexisting linux
1792 [15:05:01] <Aquarius1> My problem is solved,
1793 [15:05:03] <RajRajRaj> Its Ubuntu
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1797 [15:05:32] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: you don't need a 24GB.
the netinstall fits in a 512MB flash drive
1798 [15:05:43] <tremon> kayhayen1: finding a bootable EFI rescue
disk and doing a grub reinstall from there might be easier though
1799 [15:05:48] <RajRajRaj> I have all iso
1800 [15:05:56] <RajRajRaj> I wont do netinstall
1801 [15:05:58] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: good for you
1802 [15:06:03] <tremon> it all depends on how easy your bios is
to work with
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1804 [15:06:14] <RajRajRaj> Please tell me how to it through
existing linux
1805 [15:06:25] <kayhayen1> tremon: the Debian installer, as you
said, should be one... but I would have to repartition
1806 [15:06:46] <tremon> why?
1807 [15:06:48] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: goole about debootstrap
1808 [15:07:08] <kayhayen1> ok, thanks a lot :)
1809 [15:07:22] <Black_knight> You need only 1GB pendrive
1810 [15:07:38] <Black_knight> not more than that for ubuntu 16.**
and later
1811 [15:07:42] <teraflops> Google^
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1813 [15:09:01] <wigust> RajRajRaj: If you have another machine
you can setup tftp to boot via network but it's a little bit
pain for first time to setup
1814 [15:09:26] <teraflops> overkill
1815 [15:09:32] <RajRajRaj> No other machine
1816 [15:09:43] <Black_knight> yep but you need good skill and
familier with commands and all so boot is best option using pendrive
or C
1817 [15:09:47] <Black_knight> CD*
1818 [15:10:06] <teraflops> he already have an hdd he can dd the
iso to it. but he don't want because his balls lol sorry
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1821 [15:10:34] <OS-26198> hi
1822 [15:11:00] <Black_knight> hi
1823 [15:11:02] <teraflops> sorry for all the typos^
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1827 [15:12:07] <RajRajRaj> teraflops: dude
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1831 [15:12:12] <SpaceAce> what's the quickest way to set up
a chroot jail sftp user?
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1833 [15:12:36] <SpaceAce> i just want to double check i
don't put a security hole in that'll give them access to
my filesystem
1834 [15:12:40] <RajRajRaj> I can copy iso to primary hard disk
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1836 [15:13:16] <RajRajRaj> Debootstrap is painful
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1839 [15:13:44] <RajRajRaj> I just cant copy it to any usb. Coz
its beyond 16 fb
1840 [15:13:46] <RajRajRaj> Gb
1841 [15:14:59] <teraflops> RajRajRaj: sorry I cannot help you
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1844 [15:16:23] <netstar> Hi with the debian installer where are
the image checksums located on the image?
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1848 [15:18:10] <dvs> netstar, you can't locate checksums on
the image itself. They are available where you get the .iso image
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1850 [15:19:43] <netstar> um ok, in expert install mode you can
check the media
1851 [15:19:48] <netstar> w/o network
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1853 [15:20:15] <netstar> i wonder are they placed after the
filesystem data in the image itself
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1860 [15:25:13] <Guest5059> hi
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1862 [15:25:20] <netcrash> Hello, what is needed on a system to
generate a initrd image?
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1870 [15:30:19] <tremon> initramfs-tools
1871 [15:30:35] <tremon> this generates an initramfs though, not
an initrd
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1874 [15:32:14] <netcrash> I have this problem on a ubuntu system
where the image initrd is being generated on kernels I no longer
have installed , where does this information for initrd is usually
kept
1875 [15:32:17] <netcrash> ?
1876 [15:32:32] <netcrash> people in ubuntu didn't know,
that's why I'm asking here
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1878 [15:33:27] <rudi_s> netcrash: No idea what ubuntu does, on
Debian update-initramfs -u -kall only rebuilds it for existing
kernels.
1879 [15:34:05] <tremon> netcrash: update-initramfs on debian
detects kernels by looking for the kernel files in /boot. No idea
what ubuntu does
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1885 [15:36:55] <netcrash> rudi_s: tremon thanks that's a
good start
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1935 [16:09:55] <marcidy> Hi. The InRelease file is invalid for
mirror.cc.columbia.edu. I emailed the mirror admin, just mentioning
here in case it matters/helps..
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1939 [16:11:34] <marcidy> Specifically the Valid-Until is Dec 16,
any issue beyond that is beyond me.
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1949 [16:13:19] <redix> hello all
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1957 [16:17:05] <mizerian> so except for video games, we can just
get rid of all mac and windows and put debian with iceWM
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1962 [16:20:41] <mICON> hi! I'm using ntp to set my time.
I'm on GMT +1. It's set to 1420 tho instead of 1620. Any
ideas as to why?
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1965 [16:24:42] <SynrG> timezone set incorrectly?
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1967 [16:25:28] <mICON> % date
1968 [16:25:28] <mICON> Sun Dec 18 14:25:20 GMT+1 2016
1969 [16:25:29] <dselect> The current date is 2016.12.18 15:25:28
(UTC of course, this is *NIX)
1970 [16:25:32] <mICON> looks good
1971 [16:25:59] <dvs> what does hwclock say?
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1973 [16:26:19] <mICON> % sudo hwclock
1974 [16:26:20] <mICON> Sun 18 Dec 2016 02:26:10 PM GMT+1
-0.098174 seconds
1975 [16:27:05] <mICON> So hwclock is off. I was under the
impression NTP sets the hwclock?
1976 [16:27:16] <netstar> Slowly
1977 [16:27:28] <mICON> Can I force an update?
1978 [16:27:32] <netstar> yep
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1981 [16:28:31] <mICON> Do you know how exactly?
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1987 [16:30:07] <dvs> mICON, What is the contents of
"/etc/adjtime"?
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1989 [16:30:45] <mICON> 0.0 0 0.0
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1991 [16:31:49] <dvs> mICON, what is the WHOLE contents of
/etc/adjtime? (There are only three lines so it shouldn't
trigger a flood)
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1993 [16:32:05] <mICON> dvs: that is it
1994 [16:32:17] <mICON> % sudo cat /etc/adjtime
1995 [16:32:17] <mICON> 0.0 0 0.0
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1997 [16:32:20] <mICON> micon@
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1999 [16:32:27] <dvs> Well, that's wrong. There should be
three lines in it.
2000 [16:32:35] <mICON> huh.
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2003 [16:33:07] <dvs> -0.881970 1482040396 0.000000
2004 [16:33:08] <dvs> 1482040396
2005 [16:33:08] <dvs> LOCAL
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2007 [16:33:16] <dvs> that's what mine looks like
2008 [16:33:27] <tx> can confirm
2009 [16:33:29] <tx> mine is 3 lines
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2011 [16:35:04] <mICON> Should I just paste yours into mine?
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2014 [16:35:31] <dvs> mICON, I'd add the last two lines
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2017 [16:36:03] <mICON> done. Anything to update it?
2018 [16:36:30] <dvs> mICON, now you have to set your clock to the
proper local time.
2019 [16:36:41] <mICON> Manually?
2020 [16:36:45] <dvs> yes
2021 [16:37:02] <miczac> !ip-forwarding
2022 [16:37:16] <kayhayen1> in systemd land, how to I enter single
user mode, such that all filesystems are read only mounted
2023 [16:37:28] <mizerian> bing.com knows
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2026 [16:38:02] <kayhayen1> i think single user mode is not quite
what i want though
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2028 [16:38:22] <mizerian> bing.com try debian recovery
2029 [16:38:31] <teraflops> huh?
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2032 [16:39:18] <teraflops> there's no single user mode as in
the old init 1
2033 [16:39:45] <jamesl> google.com knows more than bing.com
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2035 [16:40:18] <kayhayen1> in fact, googling that gave me nothing
:)
2036 [16:40:36] <teraflops> mizerian: please stop suggesting
$searchengine things
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2038 [16:41:08] <kayhayen1> and neither did bing
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2040 [16:41:48] <kayhayen1> I was thinking, is this really still
the time, where you want people to follow whatever instruction first
poped up in a search machine... or rather the right thing
2041 [16:41:55] <teraflops> kayhayen1: what's your issue?
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2051 [16:45:26] <grift> kayhayen1: try appending 1 to grub kernel
boot line or "emergency"
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2055 [16:46:55] <teraflops> grift: you mean init=/bin/bash?
2056 [16:46:55] <mizerian> well if debian docs had a niceer index
2057 [16:47:00] <mizerian> I found my answer on big
2058 [16:47:04] <mizerian> I forget how I did ti now
2059 [16:47:09] <teraflops> mizerian: please stop
2060 [16:47:10] <mizerian> I think s at boot prmpt
2061 [16:47:12] <mizerian> then mount
2062 [16:47:14] <mizerian> then fix
2063 [16:47:18] <mizerian> I hate the fstab gotcha
2064 [16:47:32] <mizerian> I wish linux just skipped mounting xyz
filesystem if it cant find it instea of barfing
2065 [16:47:44] <mizerian> teraflops: whats going on?
2066 [16:48:36] <grift> teraflops: no i meant *append* 1 or
"emergency" in grub to the *existing* kernel boot line
(boot into grub, press e to edit entries, after append push f11 to
boot the entry)
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2073 [16:50:22] <techno2900> Hello, If it possible to root a
android phone on debian ?
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2075 [16:51:11] <techno2900> Thank you in advance !
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2078 [16:51:47] <wigust> techno2900: depends on your phone. In
simple case android adb is present in Debian
2079 [16:52:04] <techno2900> wigust : I have a samsung galaxy note
4
2080 [16:52:50] <erore> I noticed slow logon to KDE, after login,
the progress bar stops at the icon of the desktop for about 10
seconds and the continues witht eh KDE logo and desktop. However,
this started today, before it was seemless. I uninstalled redshift
today but installed it back but the delays is still there. How
should I find out what is taking so long?
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2082 [16:53:36] <techno2900> wigust : But, android adb is for root
?
2083 [16:53:52] <techno2900> or not because I don't
understand
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2085 [16:54:14] <kayhayen1> grift: thanks!
2086 [16:55:50] <kayhayen1> teraflops: i just want to make a dd of
the hard drive for backup purposes
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2088 [16:56:05] <wigust> techno2900: as i remember it can root
Nexus devices. Can be wrong was it fastboot or adb or whatever. But
it was in Debian repo for sure.
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2090 [16:56:29] <techno2900> okay I will search. Thanks !
2091 [16:56:32] <teraflops> then use a live usb or the install iso
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2093 [16:57:07] <wigust> techno2900: I don't think you can do
it with Samsung.
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2095 [16:57:34] <techno2900> wigust : I know I can root my samsung
but I found only root on windows and not on linux
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2097 [16:57:41] <kayhayen1> teraflops: since i got room on the
other disk, i will try and see if the debian installer handles my
UEFI setup, and if it does, I will just let it reinstall things, and
then restore my data partition from there, or if it fails, restore
what i had without less
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2103 [16:58:26] <kayhayen1> Also, I will try this:
replaced-url
2104 [16:58:38] <mICON> hm
2105 [16:58:47] <mICON> ok, good. seems to have worked
2106 [16:58:49] <mICON> Thanks guys
2107 [16:59:13] <techno2900> wigust : with heimdall ?
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2109 [17:00:04] <mICON> This whole thing is unneccessarily overly
complicate tho
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2113 [17:01:14] <techno2900> wigust : It is work with heimdall ?
2114 [17:01:18] <wigust> techno2900: dunno, if I were you I would
use virtual machine with Windows for this.
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2116 [17:01:53] <techno2900> I tried to create a virtual machine
with virtualbox but I don't know why, but I can't choose
the RAM
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2123 [17:04:11] <mICON> Guys, srs tho. Why is this whole time
setting biz so complicated?
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2128 [17:06:38] <abbemsly> will debian 9 "stretch"
support plasma (kde5)?
2129 [17:07:00] <way218> isnt jessie already supporting it ?
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2135 [17:07:25] <abbemsly> well, downloaded jessie 8.6 and
installed kde from the debian installer on virtualbox
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2137 [17:07:46] <abbemsly> it says "KDE Plasma Desktop"
but when i use it, it just gives me KDE 4.14.2
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2139 [17:08:57] <sillyslux> anybody ever configured thermald for
old cpus?
2140 [17:09:30] <way218> apt-cache policy kde-plasma-desktop
2141 [17:09:31] <way218> kde-plasma-desktop:
2142 [17:09:33] <grift> mICON did you have a look at "man
timedatectl"
2143 [17:09:33] <way218> Installed: 5:84
2144 [17:09:34] <way218> Candidate: 5:84
2145 [17:09:38] <abbemsly> ???
2146 [17:09:41] <abbemsly> what
2147 [17:09:49] <way218> i am running jessie
2148 [17:09:57] <abbemsly> do you have backports? Im just using
debian 8.6 stable
2149 [17:10:05] <way218> nope
2150 [17:10:08] <abbemsly> hmm
2151 [17:10:12] <TomTomTo1> that's not plasma 5. 5: is not
the version.
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2154 [17:10:31] <way218> ah
2155 [17:10:32] <abbemsly> did you select kde from the debian
installer?
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2157 [17:10:41] <TomTomTo1> jessie has 4, stretch will come with
5.
2158 [17:10:51] <abbemsly> thats what i thought
2159 [17:11:00] <TomTomTo1> ,v plasma-desktop
2160 [17:11:01] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy:
4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.2-1; sid: 4:5.8.4-1
2161 [17:11:01] <way218> but what is the 5 saying ?
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2163 [17:11:24] <TomTomTo1> 5: is the epoch. it's internal to
debian packaging. the upstream version comes after.
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2167 [17:11:45] <abbemsly> kde 4 is a bit too... old for my liking
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2169 [17:12:15] <TomTomTo1> and kde-plasma-desktop is a meta
package anyway. the version says nothing.
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2172 [17:12:41] <way218> ok thanks
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2177 [17:13:42] <abbemsly> so are we stuck with kde4 for a very
long time?
2178 [17:14:12] <TomTomTo1> until the next release sometime 2017.
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2180 [17:14:29] <teraflops> stretch has plasmas5
2181 [17:14:36] <tremon> abbemsly: you are never "stuck"
with debian, we don't do vendor lock-in
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2183 [17:14:57] <abbemsly> i know lol
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2186 [17:15:43] <abbemsly> ill just stick to gnome 3
2187 [17:15:59] <the_sniff> hey, i'm using either rssh and
the forcecommand with SSH, but both fail. rssh says the user is
restricted, even though i allowed it. and forecommand says "the
server has rejected the scp connection"
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2189 [17:18:46] <mizerian> iceWM is the best desktop
2190 [17:18:48] <mizerian> :)
2191 [17:18:50] <mizerian> I love it
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2193 [17:19:55] <abbemsly> mizerian ill try it out
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2195 [17:20:56] <abbemsly> latest stable "2013"
2196 [17:21:03] <abbemsly> not old by FOSS standards
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2198 [17:21:11] <abbemsly> but lol
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2205 [17:22:39] <way218> mizerian: awesome is awesome !
2206 [17:22:42] <redrabbit> hi, i have an issue with
/etc/resolv.conf
2207 [17:22:47] <redrabbit> its getting reset all the time
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2209 [17:22:59] <way218> read the comment
2210 [17:23:17] <dontknow> redrabbit, chattr +i /etc/resolve.conf
2211 [17:23:20] <way218> redrabbit: # Generated by NetworkManager
2212 [17:23:22] <mixxx> After years of constant, grinding,
development the libre-videogame and fork of Xonotic known as
Chaos-Esque Anthology has reached version 100. The project has
expanded Xonotic's original cast of 18 weapons to over 130
weapons, has added new textures, and maps, aswell as a list of other
features including: city generation subsystem (with interiors),
building subsystem (build buildings, furnishings, doors, blocks, the
buildings have interiors and
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2214 [17:23:29] <mixxx> More information can be found on the
project's Linux Game Database page including changelog and
download link of the ISO:
replaced-url
2215 [17:23:36] <redrabbit> way218: i know its resolvconf behaving
2216 [17:23:45] <mixxx> redrabbit: why don't you download
game?
2217 [17:23:50] <redrabbit> but how do i manage this properly
2218 [17:24:00] <redrabbit> without chmod tricks or hard dns
2219 [17:24:02] <mixxx> why isn't the game, which fills a
whole DVD, part of debian?
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2221 [17:24:15] <way218> redrabbit: /etc/resolvconf.conf
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2223 [17:24:19] <way218> at least on my system
2224 [17:24:37] <way218> or maybe i am getting you wrong
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2226 [17:24:56] <mixxx> why isn't the game, which fills a
whole DVD, part of debian?
2227 [17:24:59] <mixxx> it takes up only 1 full DVD
2228 [17:25:05] <mixxx> so it could be one of the DVDs in the
debian release
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2230 [17:25:10] <abbemsly> mizerian it looks like windows 95
2231 [17:25:12] <mixxx> !mods why is not game included
2232 [17:25:12] <dpkg> mixxx: okay
2233 [17:25:19] <redrabbit> way218: i looked at it but i have no
clue whats wrong
2234 [17:25:35] <mixxx> abbemsly: why is chaos esque anthology not
included in debian?
2235 [17:25:38] <grift> redrabbit: by changing it at the source:
NetworkManager in your case
2236 [17:25:44] <redrabbit> somehow everything was working before
i dont know what i did that changed this behavior
2237 [17:25:49] <abbemsly> mixxx i dont know what that is
2238 [17:25:51] <redrabbit> i dont use networkmanager
2239 [17:26:00] <mixxx> abbemsly: a libre video game
2240 [17:26:01] <abbemsly> redrabbit wicd?
2241 [17:26:05] <redrabbit> only wpa_supplicant and ifup/ifdown
2242 [17:26:08] <redrabbit> no manager
2243 [17:26:14] <mixxx>
replaced-url
2244 [17:26:14] <mixxx>
replaced-url
2245 [17:26:44] <grift> redrabbit: your /etc/resolve seems to
indicate that NetworkManager handles it. Make sure its disabled
2246 [17:27:12] <redrabbit> Package 'network-manager' is
not installed, so not removed
2247 [17:27:19] <abbemsly> the closest to a great DE is gnome
2248 [17:27:45] <redrabbit> it was never installed on my machine
2249 [17:27:55] <redrabbit> neither wicd
2250 [17:28:13] <abbemsly> redrabbit why not install
networkmanager?
2251 [17:28:19] <redrabbit> maybe something in
/etc/network/interfaces
2252 [17:28:28] <redrabbit> i neither like it or need it
2253 [17:29:36] <redrabbit> everything was fine until now, i
probably messed with a setting doing something else
2254 [17:30:04] <redrabbit> problem is i have no clue which
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2257 [17:31:22] <mizerian> :)
2258 [17:31:25] <mizerian> its pissa
2259 [17:31:38] <mizerian> I have little fiel to start firefox and
deluge DONE
2260 [17:31:45] <mizerian> no slowdown fo gnome kde barf
2261 [17:32:01] <mizerian> wireless is a bugger on linux
2262 [17:32:14] <mizerian> thats onyl thing gnome makes ez
2263 [17:32:17] <redrabbit> no
2264 [17:32:19] <redrabbit> its not
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2266 [17:32:23] <mizerian> but then u got fatty gnome app eating n
slowing down pc
2267 [17:32:32] <redrabbit> just use wpa_supplicant
2268 [17:32:41] <redrabbit> and remove all the bloatcrape
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2273 [17:34:10] <redrabbit> my wlan connections are rock solid tbh
2274 [17:34:35] <mICON> grift: timedatectl says NTP synchronized:
no
2275 [17:34:39] <mICON> How do I enable this
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2278 [17:35:33] <dontknow> mICON, install ntp package
2279 [17:36:08] <mICON> ntp is already the newest version.
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2282 [17:36:53] <mICON> ok, I did a dpgk-reconfigure on ntp
2283 [17:37:02] <mICON> Appearently the service wasn't
running :rolleyes
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2285 [17:37:05] <mICON> all good now. Thanks!
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2288 [17:39:21] <redrabbit> damnit. I type dhclient wlan1 > it
pushes the dns to /etc/resolv.conf
2289 [17:39:39] <redrabbit> 10 seconds later, boom, its blanked
"# Generated by resolvconf"
2290 [17:40:07] <teraflops> mICON: systematic enable
systemd-timesyncd or simply timedatectl set-ntp true
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2292 [17:40:16] <teraflops> systemctl*
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2294 [17:41:32] <redrabbit> wow. scrollback on xterm is …
strange
2295 [17:41:39] <redrabbit> with shift + pageup
2296 [17:41:56] <teraflops> because it looks like there is already
something managing your network interface
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2298 [17:42:30] <redrabbit> teraflops: i have no network manager
but that's probably something like that
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2303 [17:43:41] <redrabbit> heh i think i got it
2304 [17:43:47] <redrabbit> i installed iw
2305 [17:43:51] <redrabbit> and ip
2306 [17:44:03] <redrabbit> to try over ifconfig / iwconfig
2307 [17:44:35] <for{}> does anyone here use debian stable at
home?
2308 [17:44:45] <dontknow> yes
2309 [17:44:46] <redrabbit> yes
2310 [17:44:56] <for{}> why not debian testing?
2311 [17:45:14] <dontknow> because stable is stable
2312 [17:45:18] <teraflops> redrabbit: then if you fill by hand
resolv.conf and after that you do dhcliient it looks like your dns
server does not provide any dns servers. or you messed with
resovlconf package.
2313 [17:45:27] <grift> i think , that even though you say you do
not need a network manager, that it would probably make your life
easier if you did use a network manager redrabbit
2314 [17:45:35] <redrabbit> no
2315 [17:45:38] <for{}> but there are old versions of packages in
stable
2316 [17:45:48] <grift> all these command iw, ip, wpa_supplicant
etc
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2318 [17:46:00] <teraflops> s/dns/dhcp
2319 [17:46:05] <redrabbit> it fine doing it manually
2320 [17:46:09] <redrabbit> works good for me
2321 [17:46:11] <dontknow> for{}, they get security updates
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2323 [17:46:26] <redrabbit> i think i nailed the issue.
shouldn't have installed IW on that machine
2324 [17:46:34] <redrabbit> should have installed it on a VM
instead to try
2325 [17:46:56] <redrabbit> iwconfig works fine even though is
"deprecated"
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2330 [17:49:10] <redrabbit> damned, now i have to figure out why
iw is breaking it
2331 [17:49:30] <redrabbit> at least i know where the issue come
from
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2364 [18:17:09] <nullbyte_> how can i made a multiple boot for all
linux systems with the same parameters like for one default e.g.
Debian ?
2365 [18:17:18] <nullbyte_> e.g. nomodeset vga=0x317 net.ifnames=0
for all of them?
2366 [18:17:22] <nullbyte_> for 4-5 Linux OSs
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2369 [18:18:41] <teraflops> edit /etc/default/grub ?
2370 [18:19:17] <nullbyte_> with what..
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2373 [18:20:30] <teraflops> an editor?
2374 [18:21:12] <nullbyte_> default/grub adds parameters only for
current distro
2375 [18:21:13] <nullbyte_> sry
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2378 [18:23:05] <teraflops> then edit each /e/d/grub config file
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2380 [18:23:18] <nullbyte_> :)
2381 [18:23:21] <teraflops> you only have to to it one time
2382 [18:23:25] <teraflops> do*
2383 [18:23:58] <nullbyte_> but apt-get when comes with new kernel
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2385 [18:24:06] <nullbyte_> from servers i need to edit grub.cfg
again
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2388 [18:24:26] <teraflops> nullbyte_: /etc/grub.d exists…
2389 [18:24:42] <nullbyte_> teraflops: what you mean? tell me
2390 [18:24:55] <teraflops> whatever_custom
2391 [18:25:09] <teraflops> it won't be overwritten
2392 [18:25:17] <nullbyte_> can u give me a an example line
2393 [18:25:25] <nullbyte_> wiht net.ifnames=0 for some /dev/root
e.g.
2394 [18:25:40] <teraflops> nullbyte_: you have many examples
there
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2396 [18:25:53] <teraflops> nullbyte_: ah that case, not really
2397 [18:25:59] <teraflops> nullbyte_: unless I google for it
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2399 [18:26:11] <nullbyte_> i am also googlin it nothing founds
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2402 [18:27:51] <nullbyte_> teraflops:
replaced-url
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2411 [18:31:39] <donato> Is there a possibility to use my amdgpu
(with the open source driver) for one monitor and my intel onboard
graphics for an other monitor?
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2424 [18:35:16] <tremon> donato:
replaced-url
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2428 [18:36:13] <tremon> there may be minor variations since then,
but the idea is still the same: you need a static configuration with
a serverlayout spanning multiple devices
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2431 [18:36:18] <donato> tremon: lspci unfortunately only returns
my amdgpu and not my intel onboard
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2440 [18:37:01] <tremon> are you sure your hardware supports using
both at the same time?
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2442 [18:37:32] <donato> I didn't try it yet under windows
but I see no reason why it shoudln't be supported
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2444 [18:38:06] <tremon> onboard graphics tend to get disabled in
the bios when an external gpu is detected
2445 [18:38:29] <tremon> there may be a bios option to prevent
that, but you'd have to check
2446 [18:39:42] <donato> Going to give it a shot, thanks
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2461 [18:47:04] <br4inwar3> hallo
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2481 [18:52:41] <dD_> I can't uninstall or reinstall
phpmyadmin, I get a "subprocess installed post-installation
script returned error exit status 10" error (replaced-url
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2495 [18:57:53] <satbyy> dD_: did you manually install a package
outside of Debian repo?
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2497 [18:58:12] <br4inwar3> maybe you can "run apt-get
remove"
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2499 [18:58:45] <br4inwar3> maybe you can run "apt-get remove
phpmyadmin" / "apt-get purge" then install again
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2501 [18:59:33] <dD_> satbyy i've done it but not when this
happened
2502 [18:59:40] <dD_> br4inwar3, doesn't work
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2504 [18:59:52] <tremon> dD_: you need to find out why the
pre-removal script fails, e.g. by adding set -x to the top of
/var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm
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2506 [19:00:42] <satbyy> looks like dbconfig failed
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2554 [19:25:19] <pennTeller> Guys, can anybody share with a Debian
newbie why they like it more than other distros?
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2557 [19:25:37] <pennTeller> I've checked on the web and
there are some good reasons but I would like to hear what you think
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2560 [19:26:48] <mICON> pennTeller: it depends on what you're
trying to do
2561 [19:26:48] <n4dir> search the web for the essay: "who
the bloody hell cares about debian" search for "what is a
real debian user site:forums.debian.net" too (it will point you
to M. Krafft (spelling), which also had a few good points bout the
question
2562 [19:27:23] <mICON> pennTeller: debian just fits what most
users want out of a distro
2563 [19:28:13] <pennTeller> mICON, thanks I guess that makes
sense
2564 [19:28:32] <pennTeller> n4dir, Thank you for the info, I will
definitely check it out
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2570 [19:30:25] <n4dir> mainly the bloody hell is a really good
summary, imho. I think there is even a video of it
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2582 [19:34:46] <pennTeller> n4dir, I'm watching the video as
we speak:
replaced-url
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2589 [19:36:06] <n4dir> have fun.
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2607 [19:47:29] <gebruiker> the grsecurity-linux-image packages
are gone - is there an archive where I can get them? Also i wonder
why it was removed ?
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2612 [19:50:57] <LtL> gebruiker: linux-image-grsec-amd64 - Linux
image meta-package, grsec featureset
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2614 [19:51:11] <CrowX-> which program does debian 8 use for cron?
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2616 [19:51:15] <LtL> gebruiker: might be of help
2617 [19:51:18] <CrowX-> and which one does debian 7 use?
2618 [19:51:21] <CrowX-> (by default)
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2639 [19:59:34] <kqr> this might be the wrong place to ask, but
you guys are usually full of great ideas. I want a tool that
continuously (or periodically, based on cron) reads all log files on
my system, compares each line to regexes I've predefined, and
if a line does not match with one of the regexes I get an email with
the line. does anything like that exist?
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2643 [20:00:50] <gebruiker> kqr: sounds like what could be a great
bash script
2644 [20:01:19] <tiguco> take a look at xtail, too
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2647 [20:02:09] <tiguco> and perhaps you need some Perl or Awk
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2653 [20:03:29] <CuteMeOwnThroat> kqr, logwatch?
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2658 [20:05:14] <kqr> gebruiker, definitely. the only things
slightly complicated are 1) knowing which lines you have already
seen (though dategrep may help with this), and 2) having to
enumerate all log files on the system (it would be cool if I could
use something which is pre-programmed with the most common log file
locations, or can otherwise discover them)
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2660 [20:06:12] <kqr> CuteMeOwnThroat, will take a look
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2680 [20:16:31] <monsterco> hi everyone - we have a portal that
required daphne which required us to go to Ubuntu 8 from 7. Our
programmer change sysvinit to initd or vice versa....besides the
point. Now, we are seeing TWO cron processes running which of course
f*ks up the whol system as everything is being done twice. Where can
I look for sign of trouble?
2681 [20:16:48] <monsterco> I see this two:
2682 [20:16:56] <monsterco> root 14050 0.0 0.0 48860 1464 ? S
13:55 0:00 /usr/sbin/CRON
2683 [20:17:04] <monsterco> root 14051 0.0 0.0 48860 1460 ? S
13:55 0:00 /usr/sbin/CRON
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2693 [20:19:03] <oaps> hello, i'm trying to write an udev
rule to only authorise new usb devices when the X.org session
isn't locked. is there a way of detecting that?
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2697 [20:19:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> kqr, or logcheck… etc.
etc.
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2699 [20:20:16] <oaps> CuteMeOwnThroat: was that to me?
2700 [20:21:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> if your nick hasn't been
"kqr" quite recently, then no
2701 [20:21:25] <oaps> sorry, i thought you were listing
alternatives.
2702 [20:21:45] <oaps> i actually googled 'kqr'...
2703 [20:22:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> heh
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2705 [20:22:47] <oaps> though if i could get the screen locker to
write to a log, i suppose that would be a neat solution.
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2707 [20:23:05] <oaps> maybe it already does.
2708 [20:24:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> sounds more like you would want
to ask the user if he wants allow the stick
2709 [20:24:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> which sounds like a good idea
2710 [20:24:41] <monsterco> anyone on my crontab issue?
2711 [20:25:13] <CuteMeOwnThroat> monsterco, only read it
now… ask #ubuntu for questions on ubuntu
2712 [20:25:23] <oaps> CuteMeOwnThroat: that's what i do now,
but since i always allow it i thought i'd streamline the
process...
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2714 [20:25:35] <CuteMeOwnThroat> how do you do that
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2720 [20:26:46] <oaps> udev rule that sets all usb devices (except
hubs) to be unauthorised by default, then (if there is an active x
session) run a script that pops up a notification window with a
button that runs a suid script that changes the authorisation for
the device.
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2722 [20:27:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you can pop up notifications on
X via udev rules? how do you get the magic cookie?
2723 [20:27:22] <monsterco> CuteMeOwnThroat - sorry, this is
Debian - my typo
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2726 [20:27:49] <kqr> CuteMeOwnThroat, logcheck looks pretty
great. thanks! might be just what I wanted
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2728 [20:29:00] <oaps> CuteMeOwnThroat: i don't have the rule
on this computer and it's been a while since i wrote it, but i
think i just set the right dbus environment variables and use
notify-send.
2729 [20:29:13] <oaps> in a script called from the udev rule.
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2735 [20:30:04] <CuteMeOwnThroat> duh. guess I'll have to
look at dbus at some time :(
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2737 [20:30:22] <oaps> i suppose a cleaner solution would be to
just send something to the system bus and have the user run a daemon
listening for it.
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2741 [20:31:44] <wulllst> does anyone know, under which license
articles in the debian wiki are published?
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2744 [20:32:15] <Guest9192> Playboy
2745 [20:32:39] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oaps, if this is just and only
for you, you can have the screensaver run a specific program as
"screensaver", i.e. the silly thing that draws stuff on
the screen
2746 [20:32:47] <Guest9192> nick Astro
2747 [20:32:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> that process can then be seen
running with ps
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2749 [20:33:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there might also be a hook or so
in the locker/screensaver
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2752 [20:34:12] <oaps> i'm using xscreensaver (the default in
xfce4). apparently you can connect to it and listen for various
events, but i'd prefer a method that doesn't require a
separate control daemon running.
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2758 [20:34:53] <tremon> wulllst: good question, that should be
prominently visible
2759 [20:35:50] <for{}> CuteMeOwnThroat, nice nick, man
2760 [20:36:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it's a Pratchett character
2761 [20:36:33] <wulllst> tremon: right, especially in case
someone would like to create a fork of an article.
2762 [20:36:51] <wulllst> tremon: i mean, outside of the debian
wiki.
2763 [20:37:00] <oaps> 1
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2788 [20:50:15] <Pelle`> is there a way to remount my networks
drive automatically after computer has been in sleep, i got 5 mapped
drives and always connected to vpn to my homenetwork but after the
lid has been closed for a while and i open it again the mounts dont
work
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2801 [20:54:09] <satbyy> Pelle`: what are those "mapped"
drives ? NFS, samba, .. or ?
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2818 [20:59:33] <miczac> Hi, I'm trying to figure out the
routes I'd need on a server with multiple NICs without
IP-forwarding enabled in the kernel. Is that possible?
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2825 [21:01:47] <jelly> miczac: you'll have to state what are
those routes supposed to accomplish
2826 [21:01:51] <Devastator> I know backports are usually from sid
to stable, but is there a way to backport a package from testing to
stable?
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2828 [21:02:26] <jelly> Devastator: of course. All the backports
in jessie-backports repo come from testing.
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2830 [21:02:55] <jelly> if doing it locally, just pick the
appropriate deb-src
2831 [21:03:19] <Devastator> jelly interesting, should I follow
the same method as described in ssb factoid but using testing
deb-src instead?
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2833 [21:03:52] <jelly> Devastator: pretty much
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2835 [21:04:25] <Devastator> I wish this package was already in
jessie-backports though :(
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2840 [21:04:58] <jelly> !nopony Devastator
2841 [21:04:58] <dpkg> Devastator:
replaced-url
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2844 [21:05:15] <Devastator> jelly hahah
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2847 [21:05:55] <armin> it's actually impressive how wrong it
feels to read wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd 3 years
later i must say
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2849 [21:06:01] <Devastator> jelly I was told that samba 4.2 is
eol, do you think the maintainers might update it to 4.4 in jessie
or it will be unlikely?
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2858 [21:08:02] <for{}> does anyone here use pppoe?
2859 [21:08:26] <jelly> Devastator: I'd say it was unlikely.
Stable, in general, will not receive newer upstream versions of
stuff unless it becomes impossible to apply security fixes to the
old version
2860 [21:08:53] <for{}> jelly, what debian do you use? im just
curious
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2866 [21:11:55] <jelly> for{}: what I use and what I'd
_prefer_ to use are two different things. I don't think an
answer would be useful. Ask in #debian-offtopic if you really want
to know
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2871 [21:13:43] <for{}> jelly, should i ask you there the same
question?
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2875 [21:14:54] <Devastator> jelly stretch is like half an year
off release?
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2877 [21:15:24] <jelly> !wwsr
2878 [21:15:24] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
<stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
2879 [21:15:41] <jelly> for{}: or just appear there
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2884 [21:19:04] <Devastator> jelly thanks, I'm just weighing
if I should: a) stick with official samba package from jessie, b)
backport from stretch and maintain it myself (rather costy), c) wait
until stretch is released to use a new one or d) some other option I
don't know yet.... but from what you said, samba will still
receive security fixes in jessie, right?
2885 [21:20:09] <miczac> jelly: for a start that what
ip-forwarding would do, later no routing via certain interfaces.
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2888 [21:21:22] <jelly> Devastator: are you missing any feature in
4.2?
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2894 [21:22:19] <jelly> Devastator: jessie is still supported and
latest release, so yes all the packages in jessie, including samba,
are still getting security fixes
2895 [21:22:47] <jelly> miczac: what's your goal?
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2898 [21:23:18] <mns> I have added myself to a new group on my
debian system. how do I make myself part of that group, without
having to logout nad login ?
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2900 [21:23:36] <jelly> miczac: explain WHAT you're trying to
accomplish, instead of HOW you think it ought to be done
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2905 [21:24:30] <jelly> mns: there's no other way. You can
skip the logout bit and just log in anew (via ssh or su), and only
have it available in that shell
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2911 [21:25:58] <mns> jelly: thanks I thought there was a way to
do something like that, i.e. join a new group without the
logout/login dance. I seem to recall something like that in SunOS 4
or so. But could have just been my imagination.
2912 [21:26:42] <zykotick9> mns: "man newgrp"
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2914 [21:27:12] <jelly> mns: you can't magically add a group
to existing processes. "newgrp" is just another way to
open a new shell process
2915 [21:27:16] <miczac> jelly: got 4 network segments connected
to resp. 4 NICs. two segments need to be able to "talk" to
each other, whereas the other two are there to allow
"talking" to the server for their respective segments. I
need to control that on the server. A default GW on a client in a
segment only net and IP forwarding on the server would spoil that.
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2920 [21:28:07] <jelly> > need to be able to "talk"
to each other # that's called routing
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2922 [21:28:18] <miczac> yep. ;)
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2927 [21:29:20] <jelly> so you need to have a router that both of
those segments will be connected to. It can be this linux machine,
or not
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2929 [21:29:59] <miczac> enabling ip forwarding routes between all
segments as soon as a client on the segment has set the proper
default GW (i.e. address of server NIC in this segment)
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2931 [21:30:17] <miczac> the linux server also is the router
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2933 [21:30:34] <miczac> between two segments,
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2935 [21:31:42] <jelly> miczac: there's a separate sysctl
iptv4 and iptv6 forwarding tunable for each iface
2936 [21:32:17] <jelly> eg.
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/forwarding
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2940 [21:33:22] <miczac> jelly: so it's not not about setting
a proper route rather than enabling ip forwarding and then
inhibiting the forwarding on a particular NIC/iface?
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2943 [21:34:16] <jelly> or enabling it just for those interfaces
you want it enabled
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2945 [21:35:38] <jelly> routes will still need to be set depending
on where you want traffic to go
2946 [21:37:22] <miczac> jelly: the minimum routes required are
like 10.10.100.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 eth0
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2960 [21:43:03] <seanrdev> I wanted to get a little clarification
on the sources.list file and what repositories should be listed
there. Currently I have two > deb "replaced-url
2961 [21:43:04] <seanrdev> "deb-src
replaced-url
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2967 [21:44:19] <jelly> seanrdev: nope, you're missing a main
mirror for some reason
2968 [21:44:24] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2969 [21:44:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2971 [21:44:59] <seanrdev> Reason I ask is because attempting to
install virtualbox has supplied error about dependencies that can
not be solved.
2972 [21:45:08] <seanrdev> Ok dpkg thank you
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3035 [22:11:42] <Devastator> jelly I don't think I'm
missing any feature in samba 4.2, just being extra cautious because
of the eol thing..
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3097 [22:46:51] <n4dir> anyone around who has experience with Mac
ppc , debian OS X dual boot?
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3103 [22:50:36] <awal1> n4dir: now there is a debian image special
for mac, if that helps
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3105 [22:51:20] <n4dir> yeah, i know, thanks. The main question is
if i can resize the existing OS X tiger OS from within the debian
installer
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3107 [22:51:26] <n4dir> well: and add it to grub
3108 [22:51:45] <n4dir> as i got no tiger OS X installation CD, i
can't simply try ...
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3110 [22:52:08] <awal1> I never had a mac or related hardware; no
clue
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3112 [22:52:50] <n4dir> probably boils down to the question if
debian is able to recognize the filesystem OS X uses (no clue which
one it is)
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3114 [22:53:03] <n4dir> thanks for your help anyway
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3118 [22:54:25] <miczac> n4dir: hfs or hfs+
3119 [22:54:40] <n4dir> miczac: yeah, sounds like i heard that.
Thanks
3120 [22:54:45] <dvs> miczac, what time is it? ;-)
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3217 [23:48:45] <Vizva> no theme
3218 [23:48:53] <Vizva> and sucha lot
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