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• 1[00:01:11] <jhutchins> I've had three lattitudes. Windows machine for work, off-warranty work system that died after a couple of years, replaced by a 6540. I'm a little disappointed that the 6540 doesn't have a camera, but it took me at least two weeks to notice. It has a DVD drive I don't need, and it's heavier and thicker than the ultrabooks, but it runs linux just fine. Only thing I can find that doesn't work is the
• 2[00:01:17] <jhutchins> "disable trackpad" function key.
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• 4[00:04:59] <somiaj> I've been happy with my dell's, though one of them died early due to the charging plug comming loose in the laptop.
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• 7[00:05:00] <somiaj> the new one I got doens't seem as sturdy though, I don't like the feel of flimbsy machines
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• 16[00:14:23] <riff-IRC> The Latitudes are just consumer-grade garbage nowadays.
• 17[00:14:45] <riff-IRC> I have an E6520. Solid laptop built like a tank.
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• 20[00:16:08] <unixbsd> my 220CS Toshiba Satellite has best keyboard ever, running older kernel, but it vim's like a rock
• 21[00:16:23] <mutante> also weighs like a rock?
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• 23[00:17:23] <mutante> my first laptop was a satellite. forgot what model, but I couldnt believe how heavy and thick that was when I found it years later in the attic
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• 28[00:20:44] <sney> they call it satellite because it has enough mass for a stable orbit
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• 30[00:22:48] <sney> I'll probably keep buying refurb T-series thinkpads every 6-7 years for as long as that's an option. my T430 is starting to get a little slow for real-world tasks, but that puts me right on schedule to replace it in ~2023
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• 34[00:24:33] <jhutchins> I've had three lattitudes. Windows machine for work, off-warranty work system that died after a couple of years, replaced by a 6540. I'm a little disappointed that the 6540 doesn't have a camera, but it took me at least two weeks to notice. It has a DVD drive I don't need, and it's heavier and thicker than the ultrabooks, but it runs linux just fine. Only thing I can find that doesn't work is the
• 35[00:24:39] <jhutchins> "disable trackpad" function key.
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• 37[00:24:53] <sney> up-enter seems a little twitchy too. ;(
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• 40[00:25:58] <unixbsd> sney: netbsd runs very fine on those hardware conf. smaller and faster than linux with i386
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• 42[00:31:02] <urk> After the new installer makes it out of Beta I would like to explore the possibility of keeping my current kernel, and just add 5.10 Will this be possible with the new installer?
• 43[00:31:56] <sney> that would be the outcome if you upgrade your existing system to bullseye
• 44[00:32:07] <somiaj> I don't know what you mean by that. If you upgrade to bullseye you should use the bullseye kernel.
• 45[00:32:12] <sney> if you're going to reinstall, no, the debian 11 installer will not provide a 4.19 kernel.
• 46[00:32:21] <urk> Currently my viewer only allows me to download pdfs, and I am wondering if there is another viewer that would allow me to view or download?
• 47[00:32:33] <somiaj> and it is out of beta, it is a relase canidate. (:
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• 55[00:37:38] <unixbsd> urk: you can just strap it to your disk into a directory, remove star in /etc/shadow and copy the vmlinuz initrd and /lib/modules to the one you wanna use. boot with grub2, apt-get install debootstrap -y ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=netbase,debootstrap,gcc,make,ssh,login,passwd,wpasupplicant stable . replaced-url
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• 61[00:39:56] <urk> somiaj: Yes, I will be upgrading to Bullseye, but like to have an extra kernel on here in case something bad happens.
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• 63[00:40:27] <somiaj> sure, debian will keep the 4.19 kernel around after you upgrade as sney said.
• 64[00:40:55] <somiaj> but if you have a bug with 5.10, you should report it (or look for others with that bug) so it can be addressed vs running an older kernel on bullseye after it is released.
• 65[00:40:59] <urk> somiaj: So I don't have to do anything fancy to keep 4.19 after upgrading?
• 66[00:41:08] <somiaj> it won't be removed
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• 69[00:41:34] <urk> somiaj: Thats good to know. Look forward to having wifi again. Wish it was sooner than the proposed release date, but. . . .
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• 72[00:42:54] <somiaj> urk: then upgrade to bullseye now, it is near ready to be released, and I would say is decent for a destkop system.
• 73[00:43:05] <somiaj> or when you have time, you don't have to wait for the release.
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• 75[00:45:26] <urk> I'm going to wait.
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• 136[01:49:38] <tcurdt> `cat /dev/null | xargs -L1 echo foo` prints "foo" ... is this expected behaviour? I would have expected no command to be executed at all
• 137[01:50:43] <tcurdt> seems the GNU version has --no-run-if-empty
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• 210[04:07:48] <metbsd> is testing 11
• 211[04:09:33] <dvs> for now
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• 214[04:13:57] * abrotman was kind of hoping the "11" factoid would include a Spinal Tap reference ..
• 215[04:14:14] <dvs> heh
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• 223[04:31:10] <b1ack0p> metbsd: screenshot or not happened :p
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• 228[04:39:09] <longshot> How can I see stderr output with journalctl?
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• 233[04:46:12] <somiaj> longshot: stderr of what unit?
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• 236[04:50:19] <awal1> is there any log for bad passwords typed trying to get admin privileges?
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• 240[04:53:32] <somiaj> longshot: it appears that feature isn't in journalctl (as far as I can tell), there is some discussion on it, replaced-url
• 241[04:54:04] <somiaj> longshot: journalctl just collects all output, so you can look at it all, but no quick way to only grab stderr output from what I can tell from those discussions.
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• 258[05:19:43] <dvs> you!
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• 288[06:21:45] <EdePopede> how to fix keyboard layout when it breaks in a running system?
• 289[06:22:12] <iphony> is this a test question?
• 290[06:22:28] <EdePopede> what?
• 291[06:22:40] <EdePopede> this is not a support channel?
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• 293[06:24:56] <EdePopede> wondering where all the Gtk folks knwowing something about UI are now.
• 294[06:24:56] <somiaj> EdePopede: how is it breaking? Is this in xorg or a terminal?
• 295[06:27:33] <EdePopede> somiaj: both. had stopped ibus some time after reboot, i still had what i need. now it's the(!) wrong layout in mc, i have text from before the night in it and then it worked.
• 296[06:28:20] <awal1> EdePopede, check if setxkbmap utility helps
• 297[06:28:35] <awal1> what says setxkbmap -query ?
• 298[06:28:39] <EdePopede> ʻ is what i get with altgr-. but i should have the middot on that position. at least this one is exactly the difference between "ibus working" and "ibus broken" when i have to restart it (when it is running)
• 299[06:29:23] <EdePopede> rules: evdev // model: pc105 // layout: de,de // variant: T3,sundeadkeys // options: grp:rctrl_rshift_toggle,compose:menu-altgr
• 300[06:29:40] <EdePopede> hm, the variant may have changed silently?
• 301[06:29:43] <somiaj> EdePopede: have you tried using setxkbmap to change to the keyboard map (that is for X) or loadkeys for the console?
• 302[06:30:02] <EdePopede> nothing, just realized it
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• 305[06:31:04] <EdePopede> also, left-clicking into that specific xterm (running mc) inserts rubbish. had this with another one yesterday. hard reset helps, but meh.
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• 308[06:33:16] <EdePopede> xedit would probably be the safest way to see what it's doing?
• 309[06:35:27] <EdePopede> something using gtk is definitely the wrong test object
• 310[06:39:37] <somiaj> I think you have some other undlaying problem if this happens regurally
• 311[06:40:12] <EdePopede> ibus dying? yes, running firefox with just 2GB and swap partition on an old hdd
• 312[06:40:52] <EdePopede> and right now i'm even on an unchanged profile, so not even a scriptblocker
• 313[06:41:45] <EdePopede> starting ibus preferences at least autostarts the daemon, now · is back again and ☭ and everything else
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• 315[06:42:27] <EdePopede> stopped that ibus icon setting thingy, still working
• 316[06:43:34] <EdePopede> hm, seems this also killed the daemon. restarting the settings dialog from the menu aks me again if i want to start the daemon
• 317[06:44:34] <EdePopede> seems that daemon is changing some setting in the running system
• 318[06:45:04] <EdePopede> heh, the variant: from setxkbmap is gone
• 319[06:46:26] <EdePopede> aaaaand... firefox sleeping again
• 320[06:48:01] <ryouma> 2gb is pretty small for firefox i think. i barely fit in 4 and then i moved to 6 and for some reason it was even worse.
• 321[06:49:20] <EdePopede> oh it worked as long as i has been offline for a few days. 30% from the start and not increasing. then the web was back...
• 322[06:50:08] <somiaj> yea, running a modern browser is going to be nothing but a pain since they are memeory hogs.
• 323[06:50:10] <EdePopede> firefox *could* work fine with even 2, if it just would release some unused structures from time to time
• 324[06:50:23] <somiaj> You might have some luck with some webkit light weight browsers.
• 325[06:50:57] <somiaj> EdePopede: could and will don't apply to browers, they are all beasts these days due to basically being a min os/programing language/etc
• 326[06:51:22] <EdePopede> i tried vivaldi some (maybe: a lot of) time ago, still have netsurf installed. run it every few weeks to check something, but it's just a bad joke.
• 327[06:51:40] <EdePopede> somiaj: yep
• 328[06:51:53] <EdePopede> !sns
• 329[06:51:54] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 330[06:52:01] <EdePopede> browser devs ^
• 331[06:52:26] <EdePopede> instead of fixing all the bugs they introduced over a decade they only add more crap
• 332[06:52:48] <ryouma> (i was ok with 1992 era html but htat's just me)
• 333[06:53:29] <EdePopede> not returning at all. and the green bar (used) in htop isn't even next to 100%. MEM% sums up to maybe 60-70%, it was worse yesterday for a moment, and it still reacted
• 334[06:53:37] <somiaj> yea, before every webpage had to be able to complie and run web based apps, but now that is what they basically all. With javascript v8, your browser basically now compiles and runs code, and most sites are filled with javascript/css.
• 335[06:53:39] <EdePopede> ryouma: no, it's not just you
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• 337[06:54:01] <EdePopede> if they want apps then they should make a superset and go with it
• 338[06:54:17] <EdePopede> and let webpages be what they were supposed to be
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• 341[06:55:06] <somiaj> they just aren't that anymore, to much is done over webpages, and a part of me likes that, it is so nice to not have to install a million apps for every little thing I have to do at the cost of browsers not running well.
• 342[06:55:19] <somiaj> maybe you just need to use links2, or install noscript and don't use any pages with javascript
• 343[06:55:21] <EdePopede> just read yesterday about hbbTV (some things changed here this week), they used something called ceHTML or so in the past, now a HTML5 profile.
• 344[06:55:39] <EdePopede> noscript is the first thing i install in a browser
• 345[06:55:53] <EdePopede> the web is next to unusable without script blocking these days
• 346[06:56:07] <EdePopede> not only the ressources they need, often enough they just break the site
• 347[06:56:22] <ryouma> you might try swappiness
• 348[06:56:49] <ryouma> but on my 6 for some reason it doesn't make any difference. 1 used to work well on the 4. maybe becasue it had faster processor
• 349[06:57:00] <EdePopede> i'll google it as soon as the browser will be back :P
• 350[06:57:03] <ryouma> and disk
• 351[06:57:12] <EdePopede> but now back to the terminal for the good old C-c
• 352[06:57:21] <ryouma> there are a few kernel settings, swappiness being the best known one
• 353[06:57:31] <EdePopede> wow. didn't even crash.
• 354[06:57:44] <EdePopede> ah
• 355[06:58:03] <oxek> ryouma: mitigations=off is getting pretty well known as well
• 356[06:58:11] <ryouma> also, oom killer has seriously been proposed to be replaced with a random killing shell script or so because it actually works better :/
• 357[06:58:23] <ryouma> what is mitigations=off?
• 358[06:58:28] <oxek> instant 200+% boost in performance
• 359[06:58:35] <ryouma> tell me more...
• 360[06:58:36] <oxek> or even higher in some workloads
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• 362[06:58:48] <EdePopede> i *may* be fine with 4GB RAM btw, the (used) lenovo came with it and running a live system with even some extra packages was really fine, including firefox. but then i still have to connect it to the net :>
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• 364[06:59:27] <EdePopede> i was running this system with no swap some years ago. oom killer usually killed the wrong processes...
• 365[06:59:50] <oxek> 4gb ram is a pain, oom killer kills openvpn and my vpn would drop
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• 367[07:00:13] <oxek> no idea why it would almost always start with killing the openvpn process
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• 369[07:00:38] <ryouma> is mitigations=off some kernel command line? or a firmware config? oh yuck you make yourwself exposed to those exploits for speed? not for me. :(
• 370[07:00:45] <ryouma> even though my machineis mollasses
• 371[07:00:55] <ryouma> s/l//
• 372[07:01:25] <EdePopede> ~37% for the freshly started firefox (with maybe a dozen tabs)
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• 377[07:04:30] <oxek> ryouma: kernel command line
• 378[07:04:45] <oxek> and you're still exposed to all the exploits even with mitigations being enabled
• 379[07:04:50] <oxek> there was a recent paper about that
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• 381[07:05:02] <ryouma> so the default is truly useless?
• 382[07:05:14] <ryouma> why wouldn't they remove it?
• 383[07:05:28] <oxek> because it makes things a little more difficult for attackers
• 384[07:05:35] <oxek> at the expense of massive performance drops
• 385[07:05:58] <ryouma> does debian change defaults for kernels?
• 386[07:06:10] <oxek> CPUs need to be redesigned, but it will take ~15 years, because we already have 10+ years' worth of future CPU designs in the pipeline and can't just throw them out
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• 395[07:18:00] <EdePopede> *sigh*
• 396[07:18:25] <EdePopede> not firefox this time, no. "The program 'hexchat' received an X Window System error."
• 397[07:18:50] <EdePopede> i hope this is enough crashing for the rest of the month.
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• 399[07:19:17] <somiaj> sounds like you just need more memory
• 400[07:19:57] <EdePopede> you don't say. got me some ddr2-800? ;)
• 401[07:20:43] <EdePopede> the crash occured when i tried to copypaste this: first the search stopped working in a tab, now restoring closed tabs forgets about their history.
• 402[07:21:01] <EdePopede> and before this the menu stopped working. totally.
• 403[07:21:47] <EdePopede> that's why i usually keep around some older firefox versions, just to see that the bug wasn't available in some old version.
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• 406[07:23:20] <EdePopede> or...
• 407[07:23:36] <EdePopede> could i just have a sane web instead, sir, please?
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• 409[07:24:36] <somiaj> not gonna happen, to much is done over the web these days, just use links2
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• 411[07:26:29] <EdePopede> i'm really using it sometimes, just the fact that it's displaying graphics in xterm ist just so cute
• 412[07:27:31] <jmcnaught> EdePopede: do you use zram? There is a zram-tools package that helps you set up a compressed swap with some of your ram, giving you more net memory at the expense of some CPU cycles.
• 413[07:27:38] <EdePopede> or was it because of -g? too early to think about it :>
• 414[07:27:51] <EdePopede> ah nope. rebooted, forgot about it another time.
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• 451[08:37:59] <Heston> Hey guys, would anyone know why I have a php_error.log in my / directory with no http server running and recent errors for today about mysql and openssl?
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• 453[08:44:31] <alkisg> Heston: check the time it was created; then cross-reference it with the contents of `journalctl`. You might see if it was run from an apt postinst, from a cron job etc.
• 454[08:47:03] <dopensmoken> Windows 11 is scheduled to be released next month and replace linux entirely due to its superior security features and seven integrated firewalls
• 455[08:47:18] <dopensmoken> Linux is deprecated and obsolete as of July 2021
• 456[08:48:22] <dopensmoken> Windows 11 also comes with free S&M transsexual pornography pre-loaded in the Videos folder. It's courtesy of the Bill Gates Foundation's gender diversity initiatives
• 457[08:49:22] <dopensmoken> Linux is entirely obsoleted
• 458[08:49:42] <warsoul> O_O
• 459[08:51:08] <riff-IRC> /kick dopensmoken IDK what you're on but it's probably illegal.
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• 461[08:51:52] <Heston> alkisg, I found this: CRON[7105]: (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php/sessionclean ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; then /usr/lib/php/sessionclean; fi)
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• 464[08:52:53] <alkisg> Heston: sounds like a good candidate; check inside that script; it probably has some wrong $PREFIX for the file you saw, which ends up empty, so it goes in /
• 465[08:53:04] <kirk781> Ah, that guy also spammed that message on linux channel
• 466[08:53:17] <Heston> dumping filth in my / dir :(
• 467[08:53:57] <Heston> perhaps that cron wasn't properly disabled because I didn't disable apache2 correctly
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• 469[08:54:38] <alkisg> Heston: cron jobs run with pwd=/, hence php errors that were not handled, were written there. That cron job doesn't sound related to apache. Check the log contents now, to see what went wrong.
• 470[08:55:38] <Heston> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library 'mysqli' (tried: /usr/lib/php/20180731/mysqli (/usr/lib/php/20180731/mysqli: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory), /usr/lib/php/20180731/mysqli.so (/usr/lib/php/20180731/mysqli.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_global_stats)) in Unknown on line 0
• 471[08:55:55] <alkisg> Heston: can you run this? /usr/sbin/phpquery -V
• 472[08:56:01] <alkisg> If it errors out, that's what caused it
• 473[08:56:31] <Heston> it reports 7.3 correctly
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• 475[08:56:51] <alkisg> Try to run the /usr/lib/php/sessionclean script now, as root
• 476[08:57:37] <Heston> ran it as a normal user and gives the same errors in the log
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• 478[08:58:58] <alkisg> You may run it with `sh -x /usr/lib/php/sessionclean` to find the exact line that fails
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• 481[09:02:03] <Heston> very interesting though it doesn't seem to be reporting the error based on the line run
• 482[09:02:58] <Heston> replaced-url
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• 484[09:03:56] <alkisg> Heston: you need to run it as root to reproduce the cron issue. It runs as root from cron. Now it doesn't have permissions in /var/lib/php/sessions/ , it's a different error
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• 487[09:06:44] <Heston> alkisg, not much different
• 488[09:06:53] <alkisg> Paste it
• 489[09:07:02] <alkisg> (or at least the last lines with the error)
• 490[09:07:12] <alkisg> E.g. maybe `php -c` errors out because you have some bad configuration file
• 491[09:07:21] <Heston> I do believe this cron is just to clear out session for an active httpd server
• 492[09:07:30] <Heston> php sessions*
• 493[09:07:46] <alkisg> It is. And it runs phpversion and php -c; some of that errors out while it shouldn't, and creates that /php.log
• 494[09:08:06] <alkisg> If `php -c` errors in your system, it's an administrator issue
• 495[09:09:52] <Heston> replaced-url
• 496[09:10:57] <Heston> are you sure? -c requires and argument
• 497[09:11:10] <alkisg> Yes, that script provides an argument to php -c
• 498[09:11:20] <alkisg> I didn't mean that you would try to run `php -c` manually
• 499[09:11:41] <Heston> i got you
• 500[09:12:11] <alkisg> PHP_INI_SCAN_DIR=/etc/php/7.3/apache2/conf.d/ php7.3 -c /etc/php/7.3/apache2/php.ini -d error_reporting='~E_ALL' -r foreach(ini_get_all("session") as $k => $v) echo "$k=".$v["local_value"]."\n";
• 501[09:12:17] <Heston> well at this point im no longer worried and appreciate the help. It's likely due to using an unofficial .deb of php 7.3
• 502[09:12:17] <alkisg> This is the line that causes the log
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• 504[09:12:44] <alkisg> As you can see it runs: php7.3 -c /etc/php/7.3/apache2/php.ini -d
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• 506[09:13:34] <alkisg> Although I'd agree that you could file a bug report against that script, so that it sets the current directory to somewhere else than root, to prevent that issue
• 507[09:15:54] <Heston> cool well thank you for the help
• 508[09:15:58] <alkisg> np
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• 515[09:34:41] <Rodon> nmtui doesnt show wifilist but nmapplet,nmncli works fine ! despite being part of same network-manager-gnome package..
• 516[09:35:06] <Rodon> how can i fix this?
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• 582[11:33:34] <amoe> Hi, I have a system running buster, plus I am using testing installed on a different drive. I want to dual boot the two installations. But when I update-grub, the second drive is not detected. It's on an NVMe drive that I moved from another machine.
• 583[11:33:52] <amoe> How would I add a grub menu entry for the testing install on the second drive?
• 584[11:34:17] <amoe> I am using UEFI
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• 593[12:00:14] <alkisg> amoe: what's the output of `sudo fdisk -l`, the output of `os-prober`, and your existing grub.cfg?
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• 597[12:03:08] <wintersky> amoe: did you mount the second system filesystems?
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• 618[12:21:34] <vampirefrog> hello
• 619[12:21:55] <vampirefrog> I'm getting a couple of apt-get update errors, not sure how to fix them
• 620[12:22:39] <vampirefrog> replaced-url
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• 629[12:38:59] <oxek> vampirefrog: you should contact those who manage those repositories
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• 631[12:39:08] <vampirefrog> okay
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• 689[13:39:42] <sappheiros> Packages from the Synaptic Package Manager are known to be safe and secure (e.g. no spyware), right?
• 690[13:41:44] <xormor> sappheiros: it depends on what is written in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
• 691[13:42:07] <jiggawattz> sappheiros: packages from the main debian repositories are generally considered safe
• 692[13:42:27] <xormor> sappheiros: it pulls packages from the repositories, and the repositories are in the paths I just wrote
• 693[13:42:41] <sappheiros> thanks
• 694[13:43:51] <sappheiros> sources.list.d is empty; is this a folder that would contain 'snap' stuff?
• 695[13:45:18] <sappheiros> searching and checking e.g. replaced-url
• 696[13:45:42] <sappheiros> the Manager Manual v0.1.2 also doesn't say so far ...
• 697[13:47:51] <sappheiros> I suppose it indicates free or non-free?
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• 699[13:49:45] <oxek> non-free has no guarantees on it
• 700[13:49:53] <oxek> it's not officially a part of debian
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• 746[14:56:25] <xuxx> hi
• 747[14:56:49] <xuxx> How do I install this package : replaced-url
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• 750[14:58:10] <somiaj> xuxx: that is a stretch package, not buster.
• 751[14:58:26] <somiaj> java 8 is not in buster
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• 755[14:59:27] <xuxx> somiaj, oh ok, so how do I do ? I can't install this package ?
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• 758[15:00:56] <IIIFE> Is debian 11 going to get Qt6?
• 759[15:01:47] <somiaj> I wouldn't run java 8 personally. Use java 11. Though it is probably better to install it from oracal and manage a local install. There is java-package if you want to make a .deb from oracles version.
• 760[15:02:04] <somiaj> IIIFE: debian 11 is frozen, what is in it now is what it will be released with.
• 761[15:02:19] <IIIFE> When did debian 11 become frozen again?
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• 764[15:02:52] <abrotman> again?
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• 766[15:02:59] <somiaj> and currently libqt5 is what is there.
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• 768[15:03:16] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 771[15:08:08] <oxek> I hope backports will be available very soon after bullseye is released. E.g. for keepassxc to get 2.6.4 instead of the 2.6.2 that's in testing now.
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• 775[15:10:45] <xuxx> somiaj, I have to use a lib that is based on java8 so i'm scared to have bugs if I use java 11
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• 779[15:12:59] <somiaj> xuxx: java 8 is quite old, but anyawys, debian doens't ship it anymore, it is probably best to install from oracle
• 780[15:13:29] <xuxx> somiaj, k, I will test with java 11 and if it doesn't work I will try the install from source
• 781[15:13:43] <somiaj> well ship it with buster, it does come with stretch which, and if the stretch package works with buster is not fully tested
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• 806[15:53:51] <xormor> somiaj: can I now upgrade to Debian 11?
• 807[15:54:24] <Deano59> xormor: sure, but it's not stable.
• 808[15:54:43] <Deano59> just wait, hopefully not too far away.
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• 813[16:06:55] <gry> xormor: my approach is if it is personal machine and if you have a backup, then updating to Debian next release is ok. Though I heard it does not get security patches as quickly as stable. If your PC has sensitive data , thus can be an important factor to consider.
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• 895[17:14:33] <jelly> somiaj, xuxx, oracle 8 java builds are not free. adoptjdk seems to have openjdk 8 builds in .deb
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• 897[17:15:28] <jelly> erm, adoptopenjdk replaced-url
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• 952[18:24:17] <Shtl> Hello every one, I have installed latest Kali, alongside windows 10 in my HP laptop. Installation went well with grub installation.
• 953[18:24:18] <Shtl> But after reboot, there is no grub menu to select Kali, directly booting to win10\
• 954[18:24:18] <Shtl> Can any one help me please
• 955[18:24:44] <sney> !kali
• 956[18:24:44] <dpkg> Kali Linux replaced-url
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• 967[18:43:20] <warsoul> when is the bullseye stable version going to be released?
• 968[18:43:49] <sney> when it's ready. probably in the next couple months if nothing weird happens
• 969[18:43:53] <oxek> warsoul: 2021
• 970[18:44:02] <warsoul> ok
• 971[18:45:57] <oxek> I'm looking forward to using !when
• 972[18:46:27] <Deano59> same.
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• 993[19:09:23] <ndroftheline> @jelly hi, i've reinstalled debian on the sataraid from yesterday and before booting the new install, have booted to grml to inspect it.
• 994[19:09:38] <ndroftheline> jelly, rather. sorry mixing commands
• 995[19:10:07] <jelly> and you did not take the opportunity to go with native md format instead?
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• 997[19:11:02] <ndroftheline> i didn't, i prefer to use the inbuilt raid mechanism for consistency; other machines use this raid type
• 998[19:11:05] <jelly> ndroftheline, did the installer create ARRAY lines in mdadm.conf mismatched with actual md device names again?
• 999[19:11:14] <ndroftheline> i can check that now
• 1000[19:11:29] <jelly> do other machines run linux?
• 1001[19:11:44] <ndroftheline> yes, but this is the only debian box so far
• 1002[19:11:51] <ndroftheline> all other linux machines run centos
• 1003[19:12:11] <jelly> probably should have used md format on all of them
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• 1005[19:12:54] <jelly> linux does not benefit a whole lot from picking the bios-supported format
• 1006[19:13:02] <ndroftheline> well. mdadm isn't explicitly suported by the software vendor in those cases :P but you're right, and if i could start over and wave the wand i'd do it all different
• 1007[19:13:38] <oxek> when is the bios-supported format ever a good option, if you're using linux?
• 1008[19:13:51] * jelly wonders what kind of vendor uses linux and only supports fakeraid
• 1009[19:14:19] <ndroftheline> doesn't support fakeraid, doesn't support any type of raid on the boot drive - but if it's invisible, support won't complain. the vendor is autodesk.
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• 1011[19:14:49] <jelly> md is not invisible regardless of the metadata format
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• 1013[19:15:16] <ndroftheline> you're not wrong, and we can continue on the discussion of fakeraid bad instead oft rying to fix it if you like
• 1014[19:15:47] <ndroftheline> i'd prefer to try and answer your question about the potentially-misassembled mdadm.conf tho
• 1015[19:16:03] <jelly> nod
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• 1017[19:17:22] <jelly> does the system still recognize and mount / fs from sdX instead or mdY ?
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• 1021[19:18:33] <ndroftheline> sorry i'm getting grml set up right...sshing in and installing pastebinit, should have done that first
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• 1024[19:22:40] <jelly> you should have curl already there
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• 1026[19:23:04] <ndroftheline> i am too lame to know how to use curl :( apt sources were very slow so also fixed my sources.list
• 1027[19:23:07] <jelly> !sprunge.us
• 1028[19:23:07] <dpkg> sprunge.us is probably a sophisticated command line pastebin hosted at replaced-url
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• 1031[19:23:33] <oxek> !termbin
• 1032[19:23:34] <dpkg> you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file
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• 1034[19:24:00] <oxek> or command | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1035[19:24:01] <ndroftheline> neato. is there a preference? i just got pastebinit installed. lsblk: replaced-url
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• 1037[19:24:25] <jelly> grml pins the sources.list to a specific snapshot date to minimize differences
• 1038[19:24:50] <oxek> ndroftheline: you should try mining chia with that rig
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• 1040[19:25:17] <ndroftheline> if you mean, fill it with dirt and plant seeds, i'm ok with that
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• 1042[19:25:31] <ndroftheline> might need more sunlight than it gets now though
• 1043[19:26:06] <ndroftheline> so grml automatically assebmeld the array using dmraid, which i was surprised by
• 1044[19:26:20] <ndroftheline> i can disconnect it and see what mdadm would do
• 1045[19:26:33] <jelly> oh, probably needs to be boot with "forensic" option to avoid that
• 1046[19:26:34] <ndroftheline> the debian installer definitely made it an mdadm
• 1047[19:27:00] <jelly> dmraid supported these formats first
• 1048[19:27:04] <ndroftheline> well, made it with* mdadm. they both support the imsm container format this controller is
• 1049[19:27:05] <ndroftheline> yep
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• 1054[19:29:22] <ndroftheline> ok so here again lsblk but with the dmraid deactivated and mdadm --assemble --scan run : replaced-url
• 1055[19:29:59] <jelly> okay, that looks nice
• 1056[19:30:48] <ndroftheline> i mounted /dev/md126p2 at an arbitrary spot and here's it's /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: replaced-url
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• 1058[19:31:37] <jelly> right, note how "/dev/md/rste_volume0" is not the same name or device path as "/dev/md126"
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• 1060[19:32:05] <jelly> md127, md126... is what mdadm uses when it's not told which name to use
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• 1062[19:32:38] <jelly> chroot into that path (you may use grml-chroot command, it will set up /dev and /sys and /proc)
• 1063[19:33:16] <ndroftheline> so grml-chroot /dev/md/rste_volume0 ?
• 1064[19:33:16] <jelly> and then "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" and configure it to bring up md/rste_volume0 at boot
• 1065[19:33:43] <jelly> chroot into wherever you mounted md126p2
• 1066[19:33:45] <jelly> "arbitrary spot"
• 1067[19:34:20] <ndroftheline> ok. /dev/md/rste_volume0p2 exists, should i use that instead?
• 1068[19:35:05] <jelly> you could umount md126p2 and mount that one and chroot, yeah
• 1069[19:35:12] <jelly> (it _probably_ does not matter)
• 1070[19:35:48] <ndroftheline> root@grml ~ # grml-chroot mtpt
• 1071[19:35:48] <ndroftheline> Writing /etc/debian_chroot ...
• 1072[19:35:48] <ndroftheline> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/zsh’: No such file or directory
• 1073[19:35:53] <ndroftheline> sorry um
• 1074[19:37:00] <jelly> argh
• 1075[19:37:19] <jelly> grml-chroot /path/to/mtpt /bin/bash
• 1076[19:37:59] <ndroftheline> ok i'm in
• 1077[19:38:01] * jelly forgets not everyone has zsh installed
• 1078[19:38:26] <jelly> okay, now try to make mdadm put its stuff into initrd
• 1079[19:38:30] <jelly> dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
• 1080[19:38:56] <jelly> one of the things the package asks is which md arrays to bring up at boot
• 1081[19:39:18] <jelly> not sure if you need to type /dev/md/rste_volume0 or omit /dev/
• 1082[19:40:04] <ndroftheline> ok it prompted me about scrubbing and notifications, but nothing else, and put me back to a root prompt
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• 1084[19:40:41] <jelly> hmm, where has that question gone then
• 1085[19:40:58] <jhutchins> ,v
• 1086[19:40:59] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
• 1087[19:41:04] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
• 1088[19:41:05] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.12.0+dfsg-1; sid: 5.16.1+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.17.0+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.17.0+dfsg-4
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• 1093[19:44:04] <ndroftheline> doesn't seem that mounting md126p2 or volume0p2 mattered, you're right. something i see is that only md126p2 is mounted and not md126p1 or md126p3; does that matter? does dpkg-reconfigure mdadm only prompt about boot choices when an efi partition is mounted? i'm not sure that question even makes sense.
• 1094[19:44:06] <jelly> ndroftheline, I can't figure out how to force mdadm to add itself into initrd, but you can look up whether it did: lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-* | grep mdadm
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• 1097[19:44:41] <jelly> no, efi isn't important for that part of the boot process
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• 1100[19:45:41] <ndroftheline> lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-* | grep mdadm | pastebinit > replaced-url
• 1101[19:46:02] <jelly> good
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• 1103[19:46:30] <ndroftheline> here's a fun and maybe important thing: the UUIDs for all the *2 partitions match, and that's how fstab identifies the partition to use as root
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• 1105[19:47:07] <jelly> ndroftheline, there may be bug around there, yes
• 1106[19:47:17] <ndroftheline> blkid | pastebinit > replaced-url
• 1107[19:47:21] <jelly> ndroftheline, what does your /etc/fstab look like?
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• 1109[19:47:36] <ndroftheline> cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit > replaced-url
• 1110[19:48:25] <jelly> ndroftheline, okay. Be evil. replace that UUID in the line for / fs with /dev/md/rste_volume0p2
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• 1112[19:48:34] <jelly> line 9
• 1113[19:49:27] <ndroftheline> yep, ok. for the record i did try this on the last install and that's how i ended up in the recovery prompt; but by then i'd already booted at least once from a member disk, and hadn't checked the initramfs or mdadm.conf for completeness
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• 1115[19:50:43] <ndroftheline> new fstab: cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit > replaced-url
• 1116[19:51:32] <ndroftheline> oh, hm. swap is identified the same way, would that be a problem
• 1117[19:52:12] <ndroftheline> i'll change the swap partition to point at the dumb name too
• 1118[19:52:20] <jelly> ndroftheline, swap and /boot/efi are mounted later, when / is already brought up so they might accidentally work
• 1119[19:52:27] <jelly> don't
• 1120[19:52:31] <ndroftheline> ok
• 1121[19:52:32] <ndroftheline> i won't
• 1122[19:52:54] <ndroftheline> so now, try to reboot?
• 1123[19:53:12] <jelly> okay, we could assume this will fail again and try one more thing: add root=/dev/md/rste_volume0p2 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub, and run update-grub
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• 1125[19:53:34] <jelly> ideally you'd only change one thing at a time not two
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• 1128[19:54:26] <ndroftheline> i'm happy to change one thing at a time. i know fakeraid is bad but maybe whoever would be interested in a bug report that ties down the fix cleanly
• 1129[19:55:18] <ndroftheline> i'll reboot making just the fstab change. i'm p sure it'll just put me in a recovery prompt if it fails to find ormount the dev yeh?
• 1130[19:55:30] <jelly> fakeraid isn't horrible on its own, but it means you're exercising less used code, and finding bugs that might not happen if you used the more common option
• 1131[19:56:13] <jelly> if you end up in the initramfs busybox prompt there are some more things to try there
• 1132[19:56:48] <ndroftheline> also for the record, i did try to use the regular mdadm at one point, inside debian-installer, but it failed to install grub - if this fails i'll be going down that path (or possibly btrfs)
• 1133[19:57:13] <ndroftheline> to get out of the chroot i just exit right
• 1134[19:57:16] <ndroftheline> there's no commit step
• 1135[19:57:22] <jelly> correct, it's jsut a shell
• 1136[19:57:37] <ndroftheline> rebooting.
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• 1138[19:58:47] <ndroftheline> invoking boot menu because there was something weird i noted yesterday after reinstalling...there were two entries for the newly installed debian in my boot picker
• 1139[19:59:12] <ndroftheline> yep, still so. i have "debian (Intel rste_volume0)" and "Debian OS (Intel rste_volume0)"
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• 1141[19:59:57] <ndroftheline> care what i pick?
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• 1144[20:00:43] <jelly> the default :-)
• 1145[20:01:07] <ndroftheline> sweet, booting now.
• 1146[20:01:17] * jelly not sure whether that's the uefi boot menu or grub boot menu
• 1147[20:01:18] <ndroftheline> ...and i'm at a regular root prompt!
• 1148[20:01:29] <ndroftheline> uefi boot menu, that was.
• 1149[20:01:37] <ndroftheline> the grub boot menu had a bunch of entries
• 1150[20:02:08] <jelly> root prompt?!
• 1151[20:02:15] <ndroftheline> well, bash prompt sorry
• 1152[20:02:25] <jelly> not the login prompt?
• 1153[20:02:38] <jelly> did the system boot properly
• 1154[20:03:16] <jelly> and more importantly, what do "df" and/or "mount" say, is the partition inside md array used, or a member
• 1155[20:03:18] <ndroftheline> yes i think so
• 1156[20:03:21] <ndroftheline> i think it's booted right
• 1157[20:03:39] <jelly> same for /boot/efi
• 1158[20:03:50] <jelly> oh... that's one plus for using fakeraid
• 1159[20:04:06] <jelly> you don't have to set up separate /boot/efi on both disks
• 1160[20:05:03] <jelly> mount and/or df will tell you whether /boot/efi is mounted correctly
• 1161[20:05:22] <jelly> "swapon -s" or "cat /proc/swaps" will tell you whether swap is enabled correctly
• 1162[20:05:28] <ndroftheline> yeah just fixing stupid ssh on powershell, wait1
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• 1164[20:07:27] <jelly> installation reports for debian 10 are probably not worth filing at this point for such an edge case, but if you could be so kind to try installing bullseye from the rc1 installer code image, and if the same issue happens, it'd be nice if it's fixed for bullseye
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• 1167[20:09:45] <ndroftheline> wow that was a screwaround, i'm now ssh'ed into the damn thing lol
• 1168[20:09:53] <jelly> yay
• 1169[20:10:08] <jelly> well now you have a workaround
• 1170[20:10:54] <jelly> adding a root=/dev/md/rste_volume0p2 boot param manually from grub before first boot might also work
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• 1172[20:11:55] <jelly> what might also work, based on the fact you didn't see this issue with centos: using dracut to generate initrfams, instead of debian's default initramfs-tools
• 1173[20:12:52] <Kurogane> Anyone can help me how to remove mariadb-common i'm not sure why gnome is related with mariadb replaced-url
• 1174[20:13:22] <ndroftheline> ok well i was trying to make one pretty-ish pastebin for all the stuff but
• 1175[20:14:07] <ndroftheline> df: replaced-url
• 1176[20:14:35] <ndroftheline> cat /proc/swaps: replaced-url
• 1177[20:14:47] <ndroftheline> so
• 1178[20:14:58] <ndroftheline> unfortunately i am actually booted off one of the member drives
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• 1180[20:16:01] <ndroftheline> w...tf? mdadm: command not found
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• 1182[20:16:38] <ndroftheline> lsblk: replaced-url
• 1183[20:17:18] <jelly> okay, so you probably need the root= boot param as well (or just that)
• 1184[20:17:34] <ndroftheline> i feel i should be concerned that mdadm isn't on the system.
• 1185[20:17:53] <jelly> PATH for normal user doesn't have /sbin
• 1186[20:18:08] <ndroftheline> i've su'ed to root
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• 1188[20:18:20] <jelly> you need to su -, not just su
• 1189[20:18:26] <jelly> !buster su
• 1190[20:18:26] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
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• 1192[20:18:32] <ndroftheline> ah, ta
• 1193[20:19:22] <ndroftheline> how would it have mounted this partition as root with fstab as it is
• 1194[20:19:47] <ndroftheline> more a philosophical question...i'm going to change the linux line
• 1195[20:21:03] <ndroftheline> updated /etc/default/grub: replaced-url
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• 1197[20:21:13] <jelly> don't forget to run update-grub
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• 1199[20:21:24] <ndroftheline> yep, just did. rebooting.
• 1200[20:21:34] * jelly crosses finger
• 1201[20:21:41] <ndroftheline> so with respect to the UEFI boot choices
• 1202[20:21:47] * jelly fails, two fingers needed for that
• 1203[20:22:11] <jelly> I'm honestly not sure why there are two
• 1204[20:22:55] <ndroftheline> me neither. i might try to figure out how to fix that, because there didn't used to be two. it started a couple reinstalls ago.
• 1205[20:23:08] <ndroftheline> aw i've now been stuck in a grub prompt :(
• 1206[20:24:21] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
• 1207[20:24:22] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 3.39.1+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.39.1+dfsg-3; buster-backports: 3.48.0+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.12.0+dfsg-1; sid: 5.16.1+dfsg-1; experimental: 5.17.0+dfsg-3; experimental: 5.17.0+dfsg-4
• 1208[20:24:28] <ndroftheline> i am late for another call with a friend i've had scheudled all week and it's sunday here so i need to go do that
• 1209[20:24:41] <ndroftheline> quite a saga, thanks extremely supermuch for your attention jelly
• 1210[20:25:01] <jelly> <-- to be continued!
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• 1212[20:25:40] <jelly> [Yes - Roundabout plays]
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• 1214[20:32:18] <sappheiros> How do I turn off the lights inside my chassis? (Two chassis fans, one AMD heatsink fan) Is there an established solution for this problem?
• 1215[20:32:49] <sney> unplug the led connectors. or usually there's an option in the efi menu
• 1216[20:33:03] <sney> there may be some utilities but the low level solution is more foolproof
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• 1220[20:35:16] <jhutchins> I'm a little surprised that Calibre doesn't come with a service file yet.
• 1221[20:35:36] <jhutchins> Or the ability to read options from a file.
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• 1228[20:45:15] <sappheiros> sney, my concern is that there's a power cable and an LED-control-wire USB headers plugin, that if I unplug the power cable the fan won't run at all
• 1229[20:45:23] <sney> !tias
• 1230[20:45:23] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1231[20:45:31] <sappheiros> lol
• 1232[20:45:41] * sappheiros is predictable
• 1233[20:46:15] <sney> your computer won't burst into flames if the fan doesn't run for a few minutes. try stuff, experiment, don't ask irc for permission for every little thing
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• 1239[20:53:42] <jhutchins> Well crap. Calibre will no-longer mount it's library from a network share (as of Buster). It still works in stretch, even with a backport that's the same version number, so I suspect it's a change in python.
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• 1243[20:54:55] <sney> jhutchins: sounds like a job for reportbug
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• 1275[21:29:38] <jhutchins> sney: Hm, could be. I'm trying to figure out if there are enough defaults that it would work. Currently, the command to start the server includes the path to the library, which wouldn't have a default.
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• 1277[21:30:27] <jhutchins> Oops - yeah, the failure to mount bug is reported.
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• 1279[21:31:01] <jhutchins> The service file probaly can't be done until the ability to read a config file is added.
• 1280[21:32:10] <jhutchins> Hard tracking down documentation when the stable version is so far behind the current release.
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• 1285[21:37:10] <jhutchins> Bug 988252 if anyone cares.
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• 1307[22:14:15] <ndroftheline> jelly, ok so i think i got past the grub menu with the correct parameters but i'm now in an (initramfs) prompt
• 1308[22:15:13] <ndroftheline> i passed root=(hd1,gpt2) because nothing else seemed to have a valid root filesystem
• 1309[22:15:48] <ndroftheline> linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-16-amd64 root=/dev/md/rste_volume0p2
• 1310[22:16:02] <ndroftheline> initrd /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-16-amd64
• 1311[22:16:05] <ndroftheline> boot
• 1312[22:16:38] <ndroftheline> message near initramfs prompt said it got sick of waiting for the root filesystem to show up
• 1313[22:18:01] <alkisg> `blkid` should be available at that point, to examine which file systems are available...
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• 1315[22:18:37] <ndroftheline> thanks alkisg - and the md array isn't showing up
• 1316[22:19:16] <alkisg> Can you mount it manually from there?
• 1317[22:19:19] <ndroftheline> i've tried mdadm -Asv but there's too much output, less and more don't seem to be behaving ; is there a trick at initramfs?
• 1318[22:20:00] <alkisg> command > /run/output; and then maybe head -n 20 /run/output, or tail...
• 1319[22:20:12] <ndroftheline> ok ta
• 1320[22:20:36] <alkisg> Where are you on, buster?
• 1321[22:20:48] <ndroftheline> ya
• 1322[22:22:01] <alkisg> ls /bin | more => works for me (only scrolls down, not up)
• 1323[22:22:32] <alkisg> Eh, `ls /bin | less` works fine
• 1324[22:22:53] <alkisg> TERM=linux
• 1325[22:23:00] <ndroftheline> interstingly ls /bin | more works too but mdadm -Asv | more does not
• 1326[22:23:16] <alkisg> Try mdadm 2>&1 | less
• 1327[22:23:23] <alkisg> To pipe stderr
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• 1329[22:23:39] <ndroftheline> thank you, that did it.
• 1330[22:24:09] <ndroftheline> yeah remarkably it's not finding the RAID superblocks on the member drives
• 1331[22:24:40] <alkisg> And you can mount it from e.g. a live cd?
• 1332[22:24:51] <ndroftheline> yes
• 1333[22:25:04] <alkisg> Check for missing modules, compare the output of lsmod etc
• 1334[22:25:34] <ndroftheline> lsmod | grep mdadm => returns nothing :o
• 1335[22:25:42] <alkisg> It could be a missing controller module
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• 1337[22:25:52] <alkisg> I.e. it might be available in /lib/modules, but not in the initramfs
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• 1339[22:26:43] <alkisg> Nah scratch that one it wouldn't be finding the drives at all then. But maybe some other md dependency...
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• 1341[22:27:10] <ndroftheline> from live can i establish what the dependencies are?
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• 1343[22:27:56] <alkisg> If you insert a usb stick now, and save the output of `lsmod > /path/to/stick/lsmod.log`, and then compare it with the output of lsmod in the live session, possibly before AND after assembling the raid, it might help
• 1344[22:28:12] <jhutchins> ndroftheline: It could be that the output is not stdout but stderr
• 1345[22:28:21] <ndroftheline> urgh so this machine is actually in another country :D so i can't putin a usb stick
• 1346[22:28:28] <alkisg> Haha
• 1347[22:28:56] <alkisg> Try command | nc termbin.com 9999 then
• 1348[22:29:03] <alkisg> My buster has nc in the initramfs...
• 1349[22:29:28] <ndroftheline> network is unreachable
• 1350[22:30:03] <ndroftheline> i am unfortunately totally unfamiliar with the initramfs environment
• 1351[22:30:07] <ndroftheline> how do i set up networking here?
• 1352[22:30:25] <alkisg> ipconfig enp0s3
• 1353[22:31:22] <ndroftheline> neato, ta
• 1354[22:31:24] <ndroftheline> that was easy
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• 1356[22:32:40] <ndroftheline> dns resolution...
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• 1358[22:33:48] <nkuttler> ,v p7zip-full
• 1359[22:33:50] <judd> Package: p7zip-full on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u3; stretch: 16.02+dfsg-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 16.02+dfsg-3+deb9u1; buster: 16.02+dfsg-6; bullseye: 16.02+dfsg-8; sid: 16.02+dfsg-8
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• 1362[22:34:47] <alkisg> ndroftheline: try with the termbin.com ip, 5.39.93.71
• 1363[22:35:51] <ndroftheline> genius. that worked.
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• 1365[22:36:26] <ndroftheline> ok i'll reboot into grml; anybody know offhand how to put that into "forensic mode" ? so it doesn't attempt to pre-assemble the array
• 1366[22:36:41] <ndroftheline> here's the termbin from initramfs btw
• 1367[22:36:42] <ndroftheline> replaced-url
• 1368[22:37:01] <alkisg> ndroftheline: since you're there, also save the mdadm errors
• 1369[22:37:11] <alkisg> (no idea about grml)
• 1370[22:37:21] <ndroftheline> good point
• 1371[22:38:29] <alkisg> ndroftheline: and maybe the output of blkid and dmesg
• 1372[22:38:36] <ndroftheline> replaced-url
• 1373[22:38:41] <ndroftheline> ^ mdadm -Asv
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• 1375[22:39:09] <alkisg> I won't be able to help you with the other stuff, I only replied because I'm experienced with initramfs environments :D
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• 1378[22:39:21] <ndroftheline> dmesg: replaced-url
• 1379[22:39:25] <alkisg> But I guess these logs will be useful to others
• 1380[22:39:53] <alkisg> [ 21.424090] GPT:Alternate GPT header not at the end of the disk.
• 1381[22:40:04] <ndroftheline> blkid: replaced-url
• 1382[22:40:05] <alkisg> Did you dd the disk elsewhere, and didn't fix the gpt second partition table?
• 1383[22:40:44] <ndroftheline> urhg well, these drives were inherited from another system also running on the same fakeraid, and i've been screwing with this for several days
• 1384[22:41:07] <ndroftheline> before my latest reinstall i think i did a pretty thorough job, using dmraid and mdadm to destroy any relevant metadata
• 1385[22:41:17] <ndroftheline> also used wipefs and sgdisk -Z
• 1386[22:41:17] <alkisg> From the live system, run gdisk /dev/yourdisk, and just save; it will correct the gpt table; maybe initramfs refuses to go on because of that
• 1387[22:41:48] <ndroftheline> is there a reboot command from initramfs
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• 1389[22:42:02] <alkisg> Sure, reboot -f
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• 1393[22:44:19] <ndroftheline> ok booting grml into forensic mode :P ; it was just an option on the live medium's grub menu, easy
• 1394[22:44:36] <alkisg> How do you see grub? KVM? VM?
• 1395[22:45:05] <ndroftheline> it's a supermicro box, i'm using a java viewer for the console
• 1396[22:45:15] <ndroftheline> icedtea*
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• 1404[22:54:28] <ndroftheline> live successfully assembles the mdadm volume
• 1405[22:54:32] <ndroftheline> initramfs mdadm -Asv replaced-url
• 1406[22:54:47] <ndroftheline> initramfs lsmod: replaced-url
• 1407[22:54:49] <alkisg> Fix the gpt partition table, it's important
• 1408[22:55:15] <ndroftheline> which dev, there are two members
• 1409[22:55:24] <ndroftheline> on the mdadm dev?
• 1410[22:55:43] <alkisg> [ 21.424089] GPT:1855842303 != 1953525167
• 1411[22:55:51] <alkisg> Which device has this size?
• 1412[22:56:05] <ndroftheline> both member disks are identical
• 1413[22:56:56] <ndroftheline> initramfs dmesg replaced-url
• 1414[22:56:57] <alkisg> Seeing replaced-url
• 1415[22:57:29] <ndroftheline> yeh...that is odd
• 1416[22:58:10] <ndroftheline> i mean, it's not; i think that size (1855842303) was set at the time of the raid volume creation, in bios. maybe i just need a more thorough wipe?
• 1417[22:58:30] <ndroftheline> i'll run gdisk on both devices
• 1418[22:58:52] <alkisg> Backup/save things before writing partition tables
• 1419[22:58:56] <alkisg> It's a risky operation
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• 1421[22:59:33] <ndroftheline> yep, fair point - but this is a brand new install, there's nothing on this system of any importance
• 1422[22:59:45] <ndroftheline> i mean it's blank, not like there's a bunch of unimportant stuff
• 1423[23:00:17] <alkisg> How was the GPT created with a wrong size then?!
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• 1427[23:01:01] <ndroftheline> i don't know :weary:
• 1428[23:01:14] <ndroftheline> these system drives were inherited from another machine
• 1429[23:01:31] <ndroftheline> so one thing i did not do was add the --all option to wipefs when i ran it yesterday
• 1430[23:02:01] <alkisg> That would operate inside the filesystem, while gpt is outside it, right?
• 1431[23:02:15] <alkisg> Anyway try gdisk, save, reboot
• 1432[23:02:18] <alkisg> On both disks
• 1433[23:02:39] <alkisg> If the GPT warning goes away, and there's still a problem, then... next step
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• 1435[23:04:09] <ndroftheline> yeah i do think it's a problem in lsmod rather than in the gpt since i can't assemble the volume in initramfs but i can in live
• 1436[23:04:20] <ndroftheline> but i'll tias
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• 1439[23:04:34] <alkisg> The tools in initramfs aren't always the same as in live; sometimes they're smaller versions
• 1440[23:04:45] <alkisg> It's possible for them to choke while the full tools in the real system work
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• 1442[23:04:51] <alkisg> It's worth it to be the first try
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• 1444[23:06:00] <ndroftheline> ok so um gdisk /dev/sdo says "Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT" and leaves me at a gdisk prompt.
• 1445[23:06:13] <alkisg> I think it's "w" to write, then exit
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• 1447[23:06:22] <alkisg> It should warn about "are you sure" etc
• 1448[23:06:26] <ndroftheline> yes there it goes
• 1449[23:06:37] <ndroftheline> secondary header placed too early on the disk, do ou want to correct? yers
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• 1454[23:07:50] <ndroftheline> corrected on both member drives and now rebooting
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• 1459[23:09:40] <ndroftheline> seems to have got to a login prompt
• 1460[23:10:02] <alkisg> So GPT was indeed the problem?
• 1461[23:10:25] <ndroftheline> no, we're back to being booted off a member disk instead of the raid volume
• 1462[23:10:39] <alkisg> Ah I don't know the history there
• 1463[23:10:43] <ndroftheline> lol it's super weird. i have /boot mounted from one member and / and swap mounted from the other
• 1464[23:11:13] <ndroftheline> the member disks' partitions have the same UUIDs, and also the same UUIDs as the md volume partitions
• 1465[23:11:26] <alkisg> I guess that means that "yes gpt was indeed the problem and now the raid members need to be synced"
• 1466[23:11:44] <alkisg> I don't have a lot of experience there, I've only done that 3-4 times, don't remember the commands out of hand
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• 1469[23:15:10] <ndroftheline> well i can't assemble the mdadm array anymore , which i could usually but it's never actaully booted with mounts from both members at the same time before
• 1470[23:15:16] <ndroftheline> a new and exciting way to have broken
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• 1472[23:15:24] <ndroftheline> i'll go back to live and see if i can still assemble the array at all
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• 1474[23:16:33] <ndroftheline> if i ran sgdisk -Z on each member drive before creating the array, there wouldn't have been a partition weirdness right?
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• 1476[23:17:31] <ndroftheline> lol oh no now there's a third uefi boot option the bios has picked up from one of the member disks :weary:
• 1477[23:18:03] <alkisg> How did you create the GPT after running `sgdisk -Z`?
• 1478[23:18:14] <alkisg> As it clearly was wrong, it was writing inside the filesystem
• 1479[23:18:47] <alkisg> "Alternate GPT too late" isn't a problem, but "Alternate GPT too early" is a big issue
• 1480[23:18:51] <ndroftheline> i guess i don't know at which point the gpt was made. i believe that slightly unusual size was picked when i created the RAID array in the BIOS
• 1481[23:19:29] <ndroftheline> after that i just ran the debian installer and picked the obvious-seeming option
• 1482[23:19:40] <ndroftheline> "software raid" thing was at the top
• 1483[23:20:45] <ndroftheline> anyway - i'm back into live and i can't assemble the raid now
• 1484[23:21:21] <jmcnaught> ndroftheline: you configured RAID in the BIOS *and* in the debian installer on the same disks?
• 1485[23:22:31] <ndroftheline> no, i didn't configure the raid in the debian installer - i picked the pre-configured drive as the install target.
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• 1487[23:23:51] <ndroftheline> i just read an article about the imsm....format? structure? approach? which contains the information mdadm needs to deal with these intel rste volumes. various versions of the container put the metadata in various locations. i think some version stuck it at the end of each disk. maybe that's what i just destroyed
• 1488[23:24:54] <Ademan> weird question: is there any such thing as a subordinate package manager for debian that builds packages from source? Really the way I envision it is just a friendlier way to build from source for newbies, and have a bit better control vs checkinstall. *maybe* some simple dependency management features
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• 1499[23:40:05] <jhutchins> Ademan: Either Gentoo or LFS.
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• 1502[23:42:29] <ndroftheline> can i see dmesg from busybox in the installer
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• 1515[23:54:23] <ndroftheline> i found the article i mentioned earlier, but i was mistaken: it's not about imsm in particular.
• 1516[23:54:24] <ndroftheline> replaced-url
• 1517[23:55:14] <ndroftheline> i've cleared the disks, including dding the first and last few hundred kb of each member with zeroes, sgdisk -Z and wipefs --all
• 1518[23:55:23] <ndroftheline> went into bios and re-created the volume
• 1519[23:55:46] <jmcnaught> Why are you creating the volume in the BIOS? Why not just use software RAID?
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• 1521[23:56:49] <ndroftheline> i haev answered this several times, it's partly because all the other machines on this network use the bios raid
• 1522[23:56:56] <ndroftheline> when possible
• 1523[23:57:21] <ndroftheline> it's also partly a learning exercise. i've become much more familiar with the debian installer and boot process which is good for me
• 1524[23:57:29] <ndroftheline> maybe painful for you guys though sorry :P
• 1525[23:58:21] <ndroftheline> the other machines on the network are a mix of windows and centos boxes; this is the first time we're using debian.
• 1526[23:59:39] <ndroftheline> ok so
• 1527[23:59:46] <ndroftheline> as of starting the debian installer, here's dmesg: replaced-url
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