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• 82[00:50:29] <RandomSerb> Hello. I've a big issue with installing python3-dev package. I first wanted python 3.6, and since it's not available in debian original repositories, I added testing repository to the sources.list, and all hell broke loose from that point
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• 84[00:50:43] <RandomSerb> I then removed installed packages, added python3 again
• 85[00:50:47] <aloo_shu> hmmm, s00x is gone, but isn't it `/path/to/script` rather than $(/path/to/script) that would return the result of running script, kn a bash line?
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• 87[00:51:03] <mutante> dpkg: frankendebian
• 88[00:51:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 90[00:51:17] <RandomSerb> but when I try to install python3-dev, when I try to install it, it says dependencies are not met
• 91[00:51:38] <RandomSerb> tried all solutions I could find, but that didn't help
• 92[00:52:21] <RandomSerb> replaced-url
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• 94[00:53:16] <aloo_shu> lol frankendebian - I wonder who dpkg's botmaster is :)
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• 96[00:53:49] <galaxie> So, a certain package from Debian Stable is not new enough for something I'm trying to compile from source. I never installed anything from Testing before, and I am assuming the version number is higher for Testing, but I wanted to be sure that Testing had the new enough package before I tried installing it. Any way of doing this?
• 97[00:53:56] <RandomSerb> this is my sources.list - replaced-url
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• 103[00:55:33] <mutante> RandomSerb: did you remove all packages you got from testing?
• 104[00:55:48] <RandomSerb> mutante: I believe so, yes
• 105[00:55:58] <mutante> you can try to remove all things python related and then reinstall
• 106[00:56:03] <mutante> or reinstall the entire OS
• 107[00:56:18] <RandomSerb> mutante: I removed everything python3 related
• 108[00:56:25] <RandomSerb> and added again
• 109[00:56:30] <mutante> are you getting any errors when you do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade no?
• 110[00:56:32] <mutante> now
• 111[00:56:37] <RandomSerb> mutante: no
• 112[00:56:41] <mutante> then it's resolved?P)
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• 115[00:56:55] <RandomSerb> mutante: I still can't install python3-dev
• 116[00:57:33] <RandomSerb> mutante: it says you have held broken packages
• 117[00:57:52] <mutante> RandomSerb: why not. you are on stable and it exist in stable replaced-url
• 118[00:58:01] <mutante> eh, ok
• 119[00:58:02] <RandomSerb> mutante:
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• 121[00:58:15] <RandomSerb> mutante: replaced-url
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• 127[01:00:08] <l1nuxg33k> Install the packages it depends on
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• 129[01:01:01] <RandomSerb> linuxg33k: I can't
• 130[01:01:03] <RandomSerb> tried
• 131[01:01:09] <RandomSerb> each package has the same error
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• 133[01:01:42] <RandomSerb> now I found a command to debug it a tad more: replaced-url
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• 138[01:07:06] <nyov> Depends: python3.5-dev (>= 3.5.3-1~) <that tilde looks bogus
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• 140[01:09:09] <bites> not really.
• 141[01:09:22] <nyov> what does it mean?
• 142[01:09:53] <RandomSerb> perhaps update-alternatives index?
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• 144[01:10:03] <nyov> "bigger than any custom local version"?
• 145[01:11:08] <RandomSerb> nvm, I'll reinstall the whole system, once again
• 146[01:11:14] <nyov> RandomSerb: did you apt-get update, for starters?
• 147[01:11:32] <RandomSerb> nyov: yeah, that, and dist upgrade, and install -f and --fix-broken
• 148[01:11:40] <RandomSerb> and another command to show broken packages
• 149[01:11:51] <RandomSerb> nyov: literally anything I could find online
• 150[01:12:16] <nyov> can you check which versions of those python packages are installed?
• 151[01:12:29] <RandomSerb> nyov: of which?
• 152[01:12:39] <l1nuxg33k> Dpkg —configure -a
• 153[01:12:39] <dpkg> l1nuxg33k: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 154[01:13:03] <nyov> libpython3-dev + python3.5-dev, are they by chance installed
• 155[01:13:16] <RandomSerb> nyov: nope, I'm trying to install them
• 156[01:13:20] <RandomSerb> they're not installed
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• 159[01:14:37] <nyov> to me it looks like some dependency can't be resolved because a bad package version, which probly must be downgraded
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• 161[01:15:37] <nyov> and yeah, I'd check tha dpkg --configure -a has nothing to do
• 162[01:15:39] <RandomSerb> nyov: replaced-url
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• 164[01:16:13] <nyov> well, I asked about libpython3-dev + python3.5-dev
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• 166[01:17:13] <RandomSerb> nyov: replaced-url
• 167[01:17:49] <nyov> thanks
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• 169[01:18:44] <RandomSerb> nyov: so, reinstall? you've no other ideas?
• 170[01:18:51] <nyov> wait a second
• 171[01:19:08] <nyov> root of the problem seems to be libexpat1-dev
• 172[01:19:33] <nyov> but I'm also guessing here
• 173[01:19:50] <nyov> ,v libexpat1-dev
• 174[01:19:51] <judd> Package: libexpat1-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.1.0-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.1.0-1+deb7u5; jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u4; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u4; stretch: 2.2.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.0-2+deb9u1; buster: 2.2.6-1; sid: 2.2.6-1
• 175[01:19:54] <RandomSerb> nyov: root of the problem seems to have something to do with amd64 packages in the end, to me at least
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• 180[01:24:06] <nyov> wish I could understand those debug output flags. is there a manual for that
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• 182[01:26:42] <l1nuxg33k> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
• 183[01:26:42] * dpkg selects l1nuxg33k's pr0n collection
• 184[01:27:13] <nyov> RandomSerb: well this would likely be easy to fix with some aptitude foo, but alas, I don't understand this debug output enough
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• 186[01:27:36] <RandomSerb> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold shows nothing
• 187[01:27:36] * dpkg selects randomserb's pr0n collection
• 188[01:28:25] <l1nuxg33k> Damnit
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• 190[01:28:59] <nyov> and for expat? apt-cache policy libexpat1-dev libc6-dev
• 191[01:29:27] <RandomSerb> l1nuxg33k: but grepping deinstall has some packages I already installed from said testing repo
• 192[01:30:08] <RandomSerb> nyov: replaced-url
• 193[01:30:30] <nyov> wait. what
• 194[01:31:04] <RandomSerb> nyov, l1nuxg33k: replaced-url
• 195[01:31:35] <RandomSerb> nyov: libpython3.6-minimal:amd64 deinstall
• 196[01:31:43] <RandomSerb> what is that actually, l1nuxg33k ?
• 197[01:32:02] <l1nuxg33k> Did you try installing it with aptitude?
• 198[01:32:21] <RandomSerb> yeah, it says pretty much the same, offers solution to disregard them all
• 199[01:33:29] <RandomSerb> replaced-url
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• 202[01:35:32] <nyov> finally
• 203[01:35:36] <nyov> libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.24-11+deb9u3) but 2.27-6 is installed
• 204[01:36:20] <nyov> your libc6 is too new
• 205[01:36:33] <RandomSerb> yeah, downgrade's not working
• 206[01:36:43] <nyov> ,v libc6
• 207[01:36:44] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-6; sid: 2.27-6
• 208[01:37:21] <RandomSerb> nyov: fwiw, I have debian 9 on all my VPSs, and never have I had any issues with installing python3-dev
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• 211[01:38:28] <nyov> this is not an issue with python now, you can't install the libc6-dev of a different libc6 version
• 212[01:39:11] <nyov> either you downgrade that (and all the dependencies) to stretch, or you stick with buster
• 213[01:39:34] <RandomSerb> it won't downgrade
• 214[01:40:00] <RandomSerb> also, why was that version installed in the first place?
• 215[01:40:33] <RandomSerb> replaced-url
• 216[01:40:40] <nyov> because your python3.6 depended on a newer libc
• 217[01:40:48] <RandomSerb> something about ldconfig not being in the path
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• 219[01:41:21] <RandomSerb> ok, great
• 220[01:41:24] <RandomSerb> I'll reinstall then
• 221[01:41:28] <RandomSerb> what else to do...
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• 223[01:41:49] <mutante> apt-get remove python* ? not sure though how much that will pull with it
• 224[01:41:53] <mutante> but if you have nothing to lose
• 225[01:42:12] <nyov> install or downgrade locales
• 226[01:42:52] <nyov> oh nvm
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• 228[01:43:00] <nyov> I think you should reinstall
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• 231[01:43:41] <mutante> if /home is a separate partition you can keep that to make it less hassle
• 232[01:43:46] <nyov> or install buster libc-bin first, then downgrade it
• 233[01:44:01] <l1nuxg33k> I agree. Something didn’t go right on the initial install.
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• 235[01:44:35] <mutante> i think it was because testing was in APT sources temporarily and then removed again?
• 236[01:45:04] <RandomSerb> l1nuxg33k: you think it was related to the system install or python, nyov ?
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• 238[01:45:40] <l1nuxg33k> System install
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• 240[01:45:53] <RandomSerb> hmm, that's weird. why would that be?
• 241[01:46:11] <nyov> no. the python3.6 install from testing did this
• 242[01:46:21] <RandomSerb> let me not waste any more time. I'll reinstall
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• 244[01:48:34] <l1nuxg33k> Oh I didn’t realize you installed from testing
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• 253[01:52:20] <Mr_Queue> Anyone remember the SoftLayer link for speedtests? All I can find now is some flash bullshit. They used to have a file you could wget.
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• 255[01:52:59] <Mr_Queue> Oh I think google found it.
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• 260[01:55:19] <Mr_Queue> wget -O /dev/null replaced-url
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• 265[01:58:07] <RandomSerb> how much did that take me?
• 266[01:58:13] <RandomSerb> 20?
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• 268[01:59:53] <l1nuxg33k> If that
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• 271[02:00:35] <RandomSerb> nice
• 272[02:00:43] <RandomSerb> so, one question before I start installing again
• 273[02:00:44] <mutante> RandomSerb: 12 :)
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• 275[02:01:10] <RandomSerb> why isn't `usermod -aG sudo myuser` working as root?
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• 279[02:02:51] <RandomSerb> bless you, ssd
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• 285[02:06:03] <DeeJayTwo> How do I download the .deb file for: replaced-url
• 286[02:06:04] <DeeJayTwo> ?
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• 288[02:06:32] <DeeJayTwo> I only need that specific deb package file...
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• 290[02:09:20] <phogg> DeeJayTwo: open the page, click the link
• 291[02:09:35] <phogg> browser 101, that'll be 750USD tuition
• 292[02:11:25] <DeeJayTwo> phogg: brings me here: replaced-url
• 293[02:11:40] <phogg> Huh, did the package page stop having a direct link?
• 294[02:11:52] <l1nuxg33k> apt-get
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• 297[02:12:08] <DeeJayTwo> I'm not under Debian
• 298[02:12:21] <DeeJayTwo> I just need to download the .deb file directly (if possible)
• 299[02:12:24] <phogg> DeeJayTwo: ah, you are looking at the source package page
• 300[02:12:28] <phogg> DeeJayTwo: do you want the source or the .deb?
• 301[02:12:33] <DeeJayTwo> the compiled package..not source
• 302[02:12:47] <DeeJayTwo> I want the .deb
• 303[02:13:10] <phogg> DeeJayTwo: you need to pick a repo, then. After going to the sid page, for example, scroll down to the end of the page for the "Download" section
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• 305[02:13:34] <phogg> and then click the architecture link corresponding to the arch you are using
• 306[02:13:49] <Mr_Queue> DeeJayTwo: ^^^ That works or you could add the repo to your source.list and use apt/aptitude to "download only" Check out their manuals.
• 307[02:15:28] <DeeJayTwo> got it thank you =)
• 308[02:15:29] <RoyK> dpkg: tell phogg about don't break debian
• 309[02:16:08] <RoyK> DeeJayTwo: just don't mix Sid and stable - it'll break things
• 310[02:16:16] <RoyK> dpkg: tell DeeJayTwo about don't break debian
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• 318[02:21:21] <Mr_Queue> RoyK: That's not true. He might break it, but pinning is not a problem at all. This isn't ubuntu.
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• 328[02:27:47] <RandomSerb> is deb replaced-url
• 329[02:27:52] <RandomSerb> ie, not bad
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• 331[02:28:17] <RoyK> Mr_Queue: I didn't add 'dont brake debian' to the bot - it's quite classic to break things if you mix repos like that
• 332[02:29:04] <RoyK> !don't break debian
• 333[02:29:04] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 335[02:29:33] <RandomSerb> RoyK: I need it for my gpu drivers
• 336[02:30:00] <RandomSerb> can't use mutliple monitors if I don't install ati drivers, which ae available only in contrib non-free
• 337[02:30:04] <RoyK> RandomSerb: just keep aware of the risks
• 338[02:30:09] <AshleyNX> hey everyone
• 339[02:30:27] <RandomSerb> RoyK: ok, I'm more than aware of the risk of proprietary repositories
• 340[02:30:30] <RandomSerb> ask nyov
• 341[02:30:33] <RandomSerb> ;)
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• 344[02:31:27] <RoyK> non-free and contrib is better than mixing sid into the game
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• 347[02:32:29] <RandomSerb> also, why isn't xchat available in the standard repos?
• 348[02:32:34] <Thedarkb-X40> It's dead.
• 349[02:32:40] <Thedarkb-X40> Hasn't been updated in years.
• 350[02:32:45] <RandomSerb> any alternatives to it?
• 351[02:32:48] <Thedarkb-X40> It's been replaced by HexChat.
• 352[02:32:55] <RandomSerb> oh, hexchat, right
• 353[02:32:56] <d1rewolf_> hi guys. I'm trying to install Stretch stable on a Dell Inspiron 5520. It doesn't have a built in nic, and the usb nic I have works for a period of time then stops (LiveCD/mate). I'd like to use wireless, which is identifed as Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275, but the live cd fails to recognize it....it doesn't show up on "ip addr" output. Anyone know how I can get this working?
• 354[02:32:58] <RandomSerb> thanks
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• 357[02:34:44] <RoyK> d1rewolf_: probably you just need the firmware package
• 358[02:34:48] <Mr_Queue> d1rewolf_: I would do a debootstrap install from a SystemRescueCD. SRCD project doesn't care about non free firmware and will keep you on the network while you button things up.
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• 361[02:37:53] <nyov> d1rewolf_: if you post the PCI id of your wireless (lspci -nn) we can find the driver or firmware required, maybe
• 362[02:38:30] <d1rewolf_> RoyK: Mr_Queue: thanks. I'm a long time ubuntu user who has spent the last six months on nixos. Things have tended to *just work* on both. I've often considered switching to debian testing, but I wonder....am I likely to face many problems like this? I need a pretty functional laptop these days and don't want to spend *to* much time troubleshooting things
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• 365[02:40:07] <d1rewolf_> nyov: thanks. 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 [8086:24fd] (rev 78)
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• 367[02:40:19] <nyov> ,pciid 8086:24fd
• 368[02:40:21] <judd> [8086:24fd] is 'Wireless 8265 / 8275' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 369[02:40:22] <Mr_Queue> d1rewolf_: Up to you. Debian isn't ubuntu so things may not work out of the box. But most things can be setup. So long as you stay with stable and try to use the package manager as much as possible you should be fine for years, even over upgrades.
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• 372[02:41:01] <RandomSerb> are there themes that could change xfce4 to something appealing to human?
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• 374[02:41:16] <d1rewolf_> nyov: so the easiest thing would be to create a local mirror (i have an external drive) and then install those packages from it?
• 375[02:41:17] <RoyK> RandomSerb: define "human"
• 376[02:41:19] <Mr_Queue> RandomSerb: Well that would depend on which human..
• 377[02:41:28] <RandomSerb> RoyK: any human.
• 378[02:41:34] <Mr_Queue> Nope.
• 379[02:41:40] <Mr_Queue> Buy some ram.
• 380[02:41:51] <RandomSerb> I've 12gigs
• 381[02:41:53] <nyov> d1rewolf_: ignore anything but iwlwifi in there
• 382[02:42:02] <RandomSerb> it's not about ram, it's about gpu. cinnamon bugs
• 383[02:42:06] <RoyK> RandomSerb: then you don't need xfce
• 384[02:42:07] <Mr_Queue> Then walk away from xfce?
• 385[02:42:27] <d1rewolf_> Mr_Queue: I was recommended by others to tune to testing instead...guess it keeps more up to date with the risk of occsionally breaking things?
• 386[02:42:32] <nyov> d1rewolf_: you'll need the firmware-iwlwifi package. I wonder if the live-cd has it?
• 387[02:42:34] <RandomSerb> cinnamon was really buggy, like when I scroll pages in browser, move windows around and stuff
• 388[02:42:46] <RoyK> it's like "I have a 1200 horse power engine and I'd like to stick it onto this bycycle"
• 389[02:43:00] <RandomSerb> RoyK: again, it's not about ram or cpu, it's gpu
• 390[02:43:03] <Mr_Queue> d1rewolf_: Careful there, things are sometimes newer but can break without notice.
• 391[02:43:07] <RandomSerb> I've really old graphics
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• 393[02:43:14] <RandomSerb> radeon hd 5450
• 394[02:43:28] <RoyK> should do anyway
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• 397[02:43:36] <RandomSerb> RoyK: I know, but it doesn't
• 398[02:43:47] <phogg> RoyK: why tell me? DeeJayTwo is the one weirdly wanting to download specific .debs. I'm just telling him how to use a web browser.
• 399[02:43:58] <d1rewolf_> Mr_Queue: k, thanks. perhaps, to stay productive, I should stick with ubuntu for now...nixos was nirvana except when it wasn't.... :)
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• 401[02:44:23] <Mr_Queue> d1rewolf_: Sure, up to you.
• 402[02:44:28] <Mr_Queue> c 2
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• 406[02:48:35] <d1rewolf_> nyov: I assume that's not simply downloading that package, right? it would probably require multiple dependencies?
• 407[02:48:42] <nyov> d1rewolf_: the difference of ubuntu is the out-of-the-box ideology, where as in debian if you want nonfree, you have to opt in. which is why you don't have that non-free iwlwifi package by default
• 408[02:49:03] <nyov> d1rewolf_: no, that's just a firmware package, it should not have many or any dependencies
• 409[02:49:27] <nyov> no it doesn't, except for initramfs
• 410[02:49:30] <d1rewolf_> nyov: I see. ok, thank you very much
• 411[02:49:35] <d1rewolf_> i'll give it a shot.
• 412[02:49:42] <nyov> replaced-url
• 413[02:50:06] <RoyK> Swearing in chruch, I often use ubuntu for laptops and Debian for servers, because debian sometimes is a PITA to make use of on a laptop
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• 415[02:51:33] <d1rewolf_> RoyK: thx ;) I might follow that approach
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• 421[02:54:21] <Mr_Queue> RoyK: Not if you buy the right laptop.. But regardless, I'm done with Linux on laptop/desktops...
• 422[02:54:23] <nyov> must be that you buy shitty laptops, i never had an issue :D
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• 424[02:55:20] <RoyK> I usually get old laptops from work that are going to be thrown away anyway - I don't need anything superfancy
• 425[02:55:45] <RoyK> some of them may be 2-3 years old
• 426[02:55:46] <Mr_Queue> I'm like that as well but the battery life drives me insane.
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• 428[02:56:19] <RoyK> it takes a wee bit more to saturate a batterylife than just that time
• 429[02:56:24] <nyov> RoyK, those are probably the best you can have because everything driver-related will be in linux by then
• 430[02:56:43] <yakiza> hello guys suddently my pulse audio is not working i was just watching a movie my laptop froz for a sec and now i cant seem to be able to make pulse audio start
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• 434[02:58:32] <RoyK> nyov: no offence, but my last attempt on these small laptops with debian showed me it didn't work at all - nothing on the monitor at startup - I tried a lot of stuff in the linux bootup - ubuntu just worked - and although I probably would have found a solution, noone in here nor elsewhere could tell me much about it, so I just switched to ubuntu, because sometimes I'm a bit lazy
• 435[02:59:28] <Mr_Queue> Then do that.
• 436[02:59:30] <RoyK> I still stick to debian on servers and whatever laptop that supports ebian
• 437[02:59:36] <RoyK> *debian*
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• 440[03:00:07] <Mr_Queue> I drag a MBP around to keep all my Debian servers making money..
• 441[03:00:15] <Mr_Queue> Works well for me.
• 442[03:00:21] <yakiza> Any advice for my pulse audio problem/?
• 443[03:00:23] <nyov> yakiza: is PA still running?
• 444[03:00:26] <RoyK> Mr_Queue: MBP?
• 445[03:00:37] <Mr_Queue> MacBook Pro
• 446[03:01:03] <nyov> yakiza: kill `ps aux | grep '/usr/bin/pulseaudio'| grep "^\`whoami\`" | grep -v 'grep'| awk '{ print $2 }'`
• 447[03:01:03] <yakiza> nyov: no and when i click on volume settings i get an error message saying that it cannot connect to pulse audio server
• 448[03:01:24] <Mr_Queue> nyov: you know awk can grep?
• 449[03:01:26] <nyov> it should restart itself... usually
• 450[03:01:46] <yakiza> i restarted, removed and installed again nothing
• 451[03:01:47] <nyov> Mr_Queue: this was quickest, I don't know awk that well
• 452[03:01:59] <RoyK> Mr_Queue: heh - I'm on an old mbp now and I have a newer one in my bag ;)
• 453[03:02:13] <RoyK> it's a shame they stopped making those 17" laptops
• 454[03:02:58] <Mr_Queue> nyov: awk '/match_here/ { do stuff }'
• 455[03:03:02] <yakiza> nyov: i can see on ps aux that pulseaudio is running in root
• 456[03:03:23] <nyov> yakiza: you should shut that down
• 457[03:03:46] <nyov> unles you have it configured to run as root..
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• 460[03:05:13] <yakiza> nyov: i have configured nothing
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• 462[03:07:18] <yakiza> nyov: i kill it but it restarts instantly
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• 471[03:11:20] <d1rewolf_> regarding laptop batter life, I get *great* life from this 5520 using powertop
• 472[03:11:34] <d1rewolf_> between 6-8 hours usually...though I haven't measured in awhile
• 473[03:11:35] <Mr_Queue> yakiza: find the PID of that process and see whatelse is open.
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• 475[03:11:52] <aloo_shu> stopping and starting through systemd would be more appropriate to take PA down
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• 478[03:11:54] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: i am doing kill 9 and the processs still
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• 483[03:12:25] <Mr_Queue> Have you had rtorrent running on the machine for a while?
• 484[03:12:27] <aloo_shu> or with puldeaudio's own commands
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• 487[03:12:52] <yakiza> aloo_shu: when i try pulseaudio -k it say there is no pulseaudio process to kill
• 488[03:12:55] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: yeah why
• 489[03:13:08] <Mr_Queue> heh, you might be good and pimped..
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• 491[03:13:24] <yakiza> why ?
• 492[03:13:29] <Mr_Queue> find the PID of pulse and run lsof -p PID
• 493[03:13:50] <Mr_Queue> pastebin the output somewhere
• 494[03:14:52] <yakiza> replaced-url
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• 496[03:14:56] <aloo_shu> probably depends as which effective user you invoke pulseaudio -k . shouldn't normally run as root, but if it dors..
• 497[03:15:38] <yakiza> aloo_shu: i tried it with su and non su
• 498[03:15:46] <aloo_shu> ok
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• 500[03:19:11] <Mr_Queue> yakiza: Looks okay. Did you say you also had one running as root?
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• 502[03:20:01] <yakiza> yes
• 503[03:20:20] <aloo_shu> you could also check if pa can succesfully get the soundcard from alsa. if somthing else (e.g. JACK) has grabbed the soundcard, or alsa is otherwise not running ok, it can result in a pa server refusing connection eg from pavucontrol
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• 507[03:20:47] <Mr_Queue> yakiza: let's see the same lsof output on the root one.
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• 510[03:21:17] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: what aloo_shu is saying might make sence cause i had my speakers connected with a jack to my laptop
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• 513[03:22:39] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: i get nothing i just get prompted with a newline
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• 516[03:23:30] <Mr_Queue> That seems impossible. The PID must have open files.
• 517[03:23:36] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: the weirdest thing is happening when when ever i am ps aux the root pulseaudio process has a diferent pid
• 518[03:23:39] <Mr_Queue> lsof = list of open files
• 519[03:24:22] <yakiza> Mr_Queue: replaced-url
• 520[03:26:57] <aloo_shu> that's not the jack I had in mind (I was talking of Jack Audio Connection Kit), but I in fact recently had something similar when something had failed with automatically switching between line/headphones out & internal speakers. resulted in alsa not being able to write to pcm, resulted in pa going bonkers, iirc
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• 522[03:27:44] <yakiza> any suggestions?
• 523[03:28:09] <yakiza> format the box get over with it:P
• 524[03:28:11] <yakiza> i guess
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• 533[03:31:36] <aloo_shu> wait, is it me who's missing something, or is it that pulseaudio is *not* running, but 'grep pulseaudio' is getting picked up by grep pulseaudio?
• 534[03:31:48] <yakiza> fixed it
• 535[03:32:03] <aloo_shu> cuz that's what the lines seemed to suggest
• 536[03:32:10] <aloo_shu> and how?
• 537[03:32:14] <yakiza> aloo_shu: i removed and autoclean then installed it give permision for home directory
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• 539[03:32:21] <yakiza> and it started by it self dunno wtf
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• 544[03:34:46] <aloo_shu> maybe messed up something with previous un/re-install, e.g. doing it from a desktop session as root or in some other way messing up pulseaudio's entry in systemd or the session manager
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• 548[03:36:36] <aloo_shu> if the system has been told that pulseaudio is a service that should be running, it will restsrt it as many times as you kill it, and will also start it first thing when it is available again after re-install
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• 559[03:44:37] <deego> if youtube isn't working for you, this is what's going on replaced-url
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• 610[04:18:55] <ictaco> today is Tuesday, bro
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• 624[04:28:11] <RandomSerb> hello again
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• 626[04:29:09] <RandomSerb> can someone help out with mic not working, ie, can't record
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• 628[04:29:51] <RandomSerb> In my pulseaudio I can see it's enabled, and it recognizes properly the headphone slot I'm using, ie front mic-in, it says plugged in
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• 631[04:33:48] <SerajewelKS> i have a 3TB disk that, when plugged into a USB-SATA interface, the kernel identifies as 750GB
• 632[04:34:03] <SerajewelKS> is this a normal-ish thing, or is there a problem with the USB interface?
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• 636[04:35:58] <AshleyNX> afternoon everyone
• 637[04:36:14] <dvs> SerajewelKS, there's a problem with the USB interface.
• 638[04:36:35] <SerajewelKS> that's kind of what i thought, i'm guessing there's an integer overflow somewhere
• 639[04:37:05] <dvs> SerajewelKS, the old stype SATA interfaces can only handle up to 2.1TB drives.
• 640[04:37:34] <SerajewelKS> hopefully my other one works. problem is it's at my office ATM so i'll have to wait until thursday to get it.
• 641[04:37:43] <SerajewelKS> i need to zero this drive out before RMAing it
• 642[04:38:39] <AshleyNX> how Is everyone?
• 643[04:39:02] <rabbitear_sdf> not youtube it
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• 646[04:45:39] <RandomSerb> I've HP workstation z400, and my mic won't work. On debian howto page, it says I first need to figure out which driver to use. I found my card model, but it tells me to go to an url to pick the model exactly. Now, this is the list. Which of these would be closest to hp workstation z400?
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• 687[05:21:17] <wgertler> I've tried setting a new resolution in xrandr but it complains about a "crtc error"
• 688[05:22:00] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: what did you tell it, the line ?
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• 693[05:22:57] <wgertler> rabbitear_sdf one second, I accidently wrote that line but I meant to paste a whole long question I mistakenly asked in ##debian
• 694[05:23:25] <wgertler> hey gang, I came here a little while ago and asked a question re: debian crashing on a fresh install
• 695[05:23:34] <wgertler> I can get it to "work" by using the boot flag nomodeset in grub, but it bricks my resolution to 1024x768 when the computer I'm using is supposedly able to support up to 1600x900
• 696[05:23:41] <wgertler> I tried the boot flags "quiet splash" which gave me 1366x768 resolution for all of 3 seconds before crashing
• 697[05:23:51] <awal1> Enter/Escape for answer 'needrestart' = skip restarting services, right?
• 698[05:23:51] <wgertler> I've tried re-installing fresh and wiping the other existing operating systems from my hard-drives and my ssd
• 699[05:24:17] <wgertler> I've tried setting a new resolution in xrandr but it complains about a "crtc error"
• 700[05:24:25] <wgertler> I looked at my display settings and it stated that my laptop's display was "unknown"
• 701[05:24:32] <wgertler> I'm a little at my wits end and I've been working on this for over a week. Any insight would be greatly appreciated
• 702[05:25:04] <wgertler> that's it, sorry for the flooding. I'm a little desperate
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• 704[05:26:12] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: usually you'll have to make a newmode
• 705[05:26:47] <rant> this isn't really a Debian issue per-se but I have this thinkpad running Stretch and I have a miniDP->HDMI dongle going to my TV and the monitor prefs shows my samsung tv yet my samsung tv, the damn HDMI2/DVI port disappeared from the sources list on my tv.. idk whats going on.. anyone ever seen anything like that happen?
• 706[05:26:50] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: there's another tool, that I can't remember at the moment, that will help you do a "1600x900" "mode"
• 707[05:26:57] <wgertler> in xrandr? I tried that, but I forget what the error was exactly. I'll replicate the process again and tell you what it says
• 708[05:26:58] <rant> obviously its connected or the computer wouldnt know the make/model of the tv
• 709[05:27:26] <wgertler> there is no tv though. it's just my laptop screen, no other connection
• 710[05:27:33] <rant> ah nm, I found it..
• 711[05:28:00] <wgertler> oh whoops rant my bad
• 712[05:28:14] <rant> heh.. guess we were having similar issues at the same time :P
• 713[05:28:24] <wgertler> yeah lol
• 714[05:29:52] <rant> wgertler: near as I can tell you've made no mention of your hardware.. check lspci -nn and show us what display adapter(s) you're working with fir starters
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• 719[05:32:10] <wgertler> that's trye, also my bad. I'm using a lenovo t420 with 2nd generation core processor family with integrated graphics controller
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• 722[05:33:35] <wgertler> the error that I get every step of the way in new mode creation/use is "failed to get size of gamma for output default"
• 723[05:33:48] <karlpinc> wgertler: We need the pciid.
• 724[05:33:57] <rant> core? you realize there is core2, core i, etc.. it'd really help to have the output of lspci -nn you can paste the vga line alone here
• 725[05:34:16] <rant> I too have a lenovo with a core processor.. but its nothing like yours.. heh
• 726[05:34:46] <wgertler> I'm using a seperate machine right now, one moment. I'll have to get irc on the old machine in a minute
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• 729[05:35:38] <rant> e.g. 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b)
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• 732[05:36:15] <annadane> hi - upgrade problems. replaced-url
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• 736[05:37:36] <rant> annadane: how'd you end up with all that glx stuff from backports?
• 737[05:37:47] <swickrotation> Messaging didn't work for a moment, sorry
• 738[05:37:56] <swickrotation> this is wgertler
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• 740[05:38:18] <annadane> i lazily decided to install nvidia-driver from backports because the one in stable had a bunch of unsatisfiable dependencies (despite the only thing from backports being installed, being streamlink)
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• 743[05:38:59] <annadane> also incidentally aptitude wanted to remove a header package so i let it, i had installed the header package for *some* reason, i don't remember what
• 744[05:39:27] <annadane> linux-headers-4.9.0-8-common-rt:amd64
• 745[05:40:22] <swickrotation> rant, here's the hardware I've got: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
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• 747[05:40:29] <rant> annadane: ah I see.. have you tried a regular apt upgrade?
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• 749[05:40:57] <rant> swickrotation: thats as little as you already said.. and not what I asked for.. I said lspci -nn
• 750[05:41:19] <rant> which would include the hw ids like the line I pasted above
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• 752[05:41:33] <wgertler> one moment
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• 754[05:41:41] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 756[05:41:46] <wgertler> just the VGA ones? I'm sorry, bit of a noob
• 757[05:41:56] <rant> yes.. ust the VGA line
• 758[05:42:02] <annadane> worth it to mention i'm currently using nvidia, maybe i need to switch to mesa and reboot and then do it or something
• 759[05:42:25] <swickrotation> lspci -nn | grep VGA returns the following
• 760[05:42:27] <swickrotation> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09
• 761[05:42:48] <annadane> also i'm just going to reinstall the header package anyway but i think if you've already installed the thing you need the header package for you don't need it anymore?
• 762[05:43:06] <rant> swickrotation: is that the only VGA or Display line you have?
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• 764[05:43:37] <rant> annadane: well if its dkms related, then yes you still need the headers for when dkms is triggered again for a kernel upgrade
• 765[05:43:57] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: replaced-url
• 766[05:43:58] <rant> annadane: because it'll need to rebuild the driver for the new kernel obviously.
• 767[05:43:59] <swickrotation> that was all that was returned, but I think I said earlier that I am using my laptop screen exclusively
• 768[05:44:34] <rant> swickrotation: yes well the thing is the t420 comes with one of like 8 CPUS and one of two graphics configurations.. one of which includes nvidia optimus
• 769[05:44:46] <annadane> anyway this aptitude output is fairly simple, let me do the "go down the chain of dependencies" thing
• 770[05:44:51] <rant> swickrotation: if you have optimus, it'll show two display lines.. and that makes a HUGE difference in support
• 771[05:45:22] <swickrotation> rant I'm sorry to be such a pain but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by display lines
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• 773[05:45:55] <rant> swickrotation: i.e this machine has 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e12] (rev 03) and 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e13] (rev 03)
• 774[05:46:06] <rant> the 2nd one is a USB to HDMI dongle
• 775[05:46:09] <annadane> ok, i solved my own problem
• 776[05:46:18] <rant> annadane: no you didn't.. aptitude did :D
• 777[05:46:47] <swickrotation> rant, grepping display returns nothing
• 778[05:46:50] <rant> annadane: but yeah you might wanna do whatever header crap you mentioned.. cause if your kernel updates your driver will break without it
• 779[05:46:52] <annadane> apt install -t stretch-backports libgbm1:i386 libgbm1
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• 781[05:47:01] <annadane> is the solution to that
• 782[05:47:23] <rant> annadane: well I thought maybe the backports priority was the issue but I never personally seen that happen before
• 783[05:47:48] <annadane> i probably need to reboot now that i've installed all the stuff, or do i?
• 784[05:48:06] <rant> not unless you're running windows xp or something
• 785[05:48:08] <annadane> not sure about the nvidia x packages, whether they require a reboot
• 786[05:48:32] <rant> if you wanna reload that stuff you need only systemctl lightdm restart or such
• 787[05:48:38] <annadane> well, right
• 788[05:48:41] <annadane> replaced-url
• 789[05:48:51] <annadane> so uh, i guess i'll restart lightdm
• 790[05:49:01] <rant> annadane: keep in mind what you did there sets those packages to manually installed
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• 792[05:49:27] <rant> which should fix that happening in the future, but will not have them autoremovable for example
• 793[05:49:36] <annadane> won't be an issue until next upgrade and possibly buster
• 794[05:49:56] <annadane> anyway i'll just restart lightdm
• 795[05:49:58] <annadane> brb
• 796[05:50:06] <swickrotation> rant, would it help if I pasted the entirety of my lspci?
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• 798[05:50:16] <swickrotation> like, on pastebin
• 799[05:50:26] <annadane> paste.debian.net***
• 800[05:50:32] <annadane> !pastebin.com
• 801[05:50:32] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 802[05:50:39] <swickrotation> annadane, thanks :P
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• 804[05:50:48] <rant> swickrotation: I'm just trying to make sure you're not on optimus hw.. if you're fairly certain you're not then its not necessary.. usually optimus computers would come with a sticker that says optimus
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• 806[05:51:15] <rant> and they'd show two different VGA adapters, one intel, one nvidia
• 807[05:51:26] <swickrotation> rant, thanks again for the help. There's no such sticker on my machine, but it is a refurb so who knows
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• 811[05:52:23] <rant> swickrotation: if you had optimus, that causes all kinds of problems.. but if you're just using the integrated intel alone, then the next step would probably be to have a look at xorg.log would be where I'd check
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• 813[05:52:25] <swickrotation> but there is something weird: when I look at my graphics in settings>details, it says I'm using something called Gallium 0.4 on LLVM
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• 815[05:52:43] <rant> swickrotation: goto paste.debian.net and select the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and upload that file
• 816[05:52:52] <swickrotation> you got it!
• 817[05:53:17] <rant> swickrotation: yeah thats a mesa driver
• 818[05:54:03] <swickrotation> rant, I don't really know what that means but I'll write it down and look later
• 819[05:54:57] <rant> swickrotation: its a software rendering library.. means you're not doing hardware rendering typically
• 820[05:55:48] <swickrotation> here's the paste: replaced-url
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• 824[06:00:42] <rant> swickrotation: so what was your reasoning for using nomodeset? Cause you're def using vesa with no modesetting and only have available res of up to 1024x768
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• 826[06:01:26] <rant> were you saying it causes your kernel to hang on boot without it?
• 827[06:01:55] <swickrotation> my reasoning is that not using nomodeset causes my kernel to panic and that occasionally it will boot with 1366x768 resolution for a few seconds before crashing
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• 829[06:02:48] <swickrotation> actually, after removing windows from one of my harddrives there's no more kernel panicking, it's just hanging on boot as you said
• 830[06:03:12] <swickrotation> but either way, I've seen the machine work properly, if only for a (very) limited time
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• 832[06:06:13] <rant> swickrotation: what does uname -r say?
• 833[06:06:30] <swickrotation> 4.9.0-8-amd64
• 834[06:06:41] <rant> swickrotation: and have you been manually doing the nomodeset or did you modify a config?
• 835[06:07:04] <swickrotation> I've been doing nomodeset manually, the config is set to "quiet splash" right now
• 836[06:07:22] <rant> swickrotation: cause it would seem that there is a kernel bug causing your woes.. but if you want your graphics to work properly with hardware accel and full resolution you really want modesetting
• 837[06:07:32] <rant> swickrotation: my advice to you is to install the backports kernel
• 838[06:07:45] <swickrotation> rant I'm into it. What's the procedure?
• 839[06:07:47] <rant> swickrotation: then boot it without the nomodeset
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• 841[06:08:13] <rant> swickrotation: first go here and follow the instructions replaced-url
• 842[06:08:35] <swickrotation> thanks, I'll report back with the results
• 843[06:09:06] <rant> swickrotation: then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64
• 844[06:09:24] <annadane> yeah so i'm pretty sure the header is due to nvidia
• 845[06:09:28] <annadane> from my apt logs
• 846[06:09:31] <rant> then you should be able to reboot and use the backports kernel with modesetting, hopefully that resolves your problem
• 847[06:09:36] <rant> ,kernels
• 848[06:09:37] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
• 849[06:09:38] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 850[06:10:09] <rant> swickrotation: should say 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 or such in grub
• 851[06:10:38] <swickrotation> I'll have a look. It appears that the backports were already in my sources list but I'll check a reboot anyway?
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• 853[06:11:29] <swickrotation> oh I'm a fool I didn't install the backports
• 854[06:11:51] <swickrotation> I don't know what to install exactly, though :/
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• 857[06:13:44] <rant> swickrotation: then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64
• 858[06:14:08] <rant> hmm.. seems he popped off
• 859[06:14:24] <rant> idk what with people and rebooting unnecessarily.. heh
• 860[06:14:28] <wgertler> I'm sorta stil here
• 861[06:14:40] <wgertler> 2 machines at once haha
• 862[06:14:47] <rant> microsoft got people thinking reboots are the solution to everything :P
• 863[06:15:05] <rant> in linux its usually a bad thing as you can lose valuable troubleshooting info in many cases
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• 865[06:15:44] <rant> since like Linux 2.6, the kernel has supported kexec() which means you dont even have to reboot to load a new kernel
• 866[06:16:31] <annadane> ...wat
• 867[06:16:34] <rant> personally that impressed the crap outta me.. heh.. I used to say the only thing linux had to reboot for was a new kerenl
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• 869[06:16:40] <rant> but not anymore :P
• 870[06:16:51] <annadane> i still reboot for kernel updates, i had no idea about that
• 871[06:16:51] <rant> annadane: what you never heard of the kexec() call?
• 872[06:16:57] <annadane> only vaguely
• 873[06:17:28] <rant> annadane: well there are utils for it of course.. but one command loads the new kernel into memory, the other command jumps from the running kernel to the new one..
• 874[06:17:40] <wgertler> ok, installing the thing from backports now! I actually am going to need to reboot without nomodeset after that though, right?
• 875[06:17:58] <annadane> i know there's a package for in-place kernel upgrades, it can't be the default though?
• 876[06:18:21] <rant> yeah idk about that.. I only know about doing it manually using the kexec command
• 877[06:18:41] <rant> I've used it in a pinch before like loading debian from an android on my pi when I didnt have another machine
• 878[06:19:05] <wgertler> ok, linux-image-amd64 installed!
• 879[06:19:08] <rant> and my debian boot was fubar :P
• 880[06:19:15] <rant> wgertler: did it say 4.18?
• 881[06:19:18] <wgertler> it did
• 882[06:19:36] <rant> well then try boot er up without the nomodeset and hopefully your issues go away
• 883[06:19:43] <wgertler> pray for me
• 884[06:20:06] <rant> to God, RMS, Linus? All of the above?
• 885[06:20:14] <rant> idk if God uses linux :P
• 886[06:20:28] <annadane> i'd just like to interject for a moment. what you call God is, in reality, GNU/God...
• 887[06:20:36] <rant> heh
• 888[06:20:50] <wgertler> oh my gnud
• 889[06:20:57] <annadane> but no the default has to be reboots for kernel updates. i just haven't messed with kexec
• 890[06:21:01] <wgertler> no dice btw
• 891[06:21:09] <rant> imagine getting to heaven and realizing God is a MacOS user.
• 892[06:21:19] <rant> or even worse, running Win10
• 893[06:21:26] <wgertler> flashed the correct resolution for a few moments in the boot, the crashed, restarted
• 894[06:21:40] <wgertler> then I tried it again, and instead of crashing, it froze
• 895[06:21:44] <rant> and you booted the 4.18 bpo kernel?
• 896[06:21:49] <wgertler> yup
• 897[06:21:54] <rant> hmm..
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• 899[06:22:14] <wgertler> should I check to make sure my boot flags are correct?
• 900[06:22:30] <rant> try i915 modeset=1 just for agurments sake while you're in there
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• 902[06:22:38] <wgertler> you got it
• 903[06:22:57] <wgertler> should I keep quiet splash
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• 905[06:23:14] <rant> sure.. those are just cosmetic verbosity options
• 906[06:23:35] <rant> I mean you can certainly try without em, its just gonna spew more output
• 907[06:24:16] <wgertler> alright, trying with i915 modeset=1
• 908[06:24:30] <wgertler> and it's hung
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• 911[06:25:44] <rant> idk I'm on a x240 right now Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4300U w/ Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) and mine is def using modesetting for the xorg and all works great
• 912[06:26:04] <rant> I'd think the problem is def a kernel bug since it hangs unless you turn off modesetting
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• 914[06:26:25] <wgertler> any way to fix a bug like that?
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• 916[06:26:31] <rant> maybe you need an even newer kernel.. but what I dont get is, there is no mention of these issues on the debian wiki or thinkwiki for your machine
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• 919[06:26:52] <rant> both seem to say the video works out of the box
• 920[06:26:59] <rant> no mention of hangs
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• 922[06:27:05] <wgertler> this was a problem with the other operating systems I tried things on
• 923[06:27:09] <rant> are you absolutely sure you dont have optimus?
• 924[06:27:10] <rant> heh
• 925[06:27:18] <rant> cause that would certainly explain it
• 926[06:27:32] <wgertler> I'm not 100%, but I don't know how to check
• 927[06:27:43] <rant> afaik optimus can be disabled on that model in the bios if you did have it
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• 935[06:31:30] <rant> replaced-url
• 936[06:31:58] <wgertler> oooookay so now when I try to boot even with nomodeset it fails, but at least the screen is on?
• 937[06:32:22] <rant> so the backport kernel doesnt boot even with the nomodeset?
• 938[06:32:33] <rant> btw the old kernel would still be there likely under advanced options
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• 940[06:32:38] <wgertler> got it
• 941[06:32:59] <rabbitear_sdf> nomodeset is what it sounds like, trying to figure out its 'mode'
• 942[06:33:05] <rabbitear_sdf> that is all that does
• 943[06:33:20] <rabbitear_sdf> you might get lucky, by setting it yourself
• 944[06:33:28] <rabbitear_sdf> but its a little bit of work...
• 945[06:34:11] <wgertler> ok, I tried switching to nomodeset on the old kernel and it still will not boot
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• 947[06:34:28] <rabbitear_sdf> if using Xorg, you can use xrandr to find out what mode works for you, then you put it in the xorg.conf
• 948[06:34:40] <rant> look in your bios for any nvidia or optimus settings
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• 950[06:34:54] <rabbitear_sdf> its only a communcation from the kernel to X, not anything else
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• 952[06:36:22] <wgertler> I'm in the bios now
• 953[06:37:40] <rant> replaced-url
• 954[06:38:22] <wgertler> where should i see nvidia/optimus stuff
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• 956[06:38:36] <rant> see the lenovo forum link
• 957[06:39:10] <wgertler> ok
• 958[06:39:13] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: there is an nvidia-settings program too
• 959[06:39:42] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: I believe it might be in debian as 'nvidia-settings', it does work too
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• 961[06:39:48] <wgertler> there's nothing in my display settings other than "boot display device"
• 962[06:40:02] <wgertler> rabbitear_sdf: I can't even boot right now
• 963[06:40:03] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: but all that does is save it to your xorg.conf's again too
• 964[06:40:03] <rant> then you probably dont have optimus
• 965[06:40:27] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: you can put into single user
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• 967[06:40:40] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: thats no graphics
• 968[06:40:58] <wgertler> like it doesn't even list "graphics device" or anything else in the display settings
• 969[06:42:21] <wgertler> I do have an option in there that says "digital on thinkpad" though, is that helpful at all?
• 970[06:43:11] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: welcome to layers of different things going on.....
• 971[06:43:45] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: but, its hard to figure out what has happened just in text
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• 973[06:44:39] <rabbitear_sdf> wgertler: but you should be able to still read /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for EE's, okay? and do that in single user mode, that means no graphics
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• 975[06:45:14] <wgertler> rabbitear_sdf alright, I'll bite. How do I boot into sum?
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• 977[06:46:05] <rabbitear_sdf> so you know how to put on that nomodeset, add the word single
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• 980[06:46:25] <wgertler> lol nice, ok. Should I do that on my new kernel or the old one
• 981[06:46:34] <rabbitear_sdf> and it should boot there, another way is init=/bin/bash'
• 982[06:46:40] <rabbitear_sdf> 'init=/bin/bash'
• 983[06:46:43] <rant> that doesnt work anymore
• 984[06:46:46] <rabbitear_sdf> or even 'init 1'
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• 986[06:47:05] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: how do you know?
• 987[06:47:14] <rant> because I tried it
• 988[06:47:17] <rant> systemd killed that
• 989[06:47:18] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: on what?
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• 992[06:47:24] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: really
• 993[06:47:26] <rant> on Stretch
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• 995[06:47:35] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: I think init will still work...
• 996[06:47:53] <wgertler> ok tried single on the old kernel, it crashed
• 997[06:47:53] <rant> idk never done that.. but specifying a shell didnt work
• 998[06:47:55] <rabbitear_sdf> anyway, you'll find the option in google if that much
• 999[06:48:01] <rabbitear_sdf> I have to leave right now
• 1000[06:48:17] <annadane> why don't you make like a leaf and change colors
• 1001[06:49:07] <wgertler> and the new one crashes too on single
• 1002[06:49:37] <wgertler> on a scale of 1 to bad, how screwed am I?
• 1003[06:49:56] <annadane> it's linux. probably closer to 1
• 1004[06:50:17] <annadane> more specifically it's debian so even closer to 1
• 1005[06:50:41] <rabbitear_sdf> we got blue leafs in the fall
• 1006[06:50:57] <annadane> terrible hockey team
• 1007[06:51:11] <wgertler> annadane you sure? I've been essentially stuck on this for upwards of a week and a half.
• 1008[06:51:13] <rabbitear_sdf> :)
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• 1012[06:51:36] <wgertler> oh shoot y'all in Canada?
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• 1016[06:52:59] <rabbitear_sdf> <- alaska
• 1017[06:53:02] <rabbitear_sdf> anchorage..
• 1018[06:53:14] <wgertler> close enough to whitehorse
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• 1020[06:53:36] <rabbitear_sdf> your in ak wgertler ?
• 1021[06:53:45] <wgertler> nope
• 1022[06:53:52] <wgertler> Ontario
• 1023[06:54:01] <rabbitear_sdf> cools
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• 1025[06:54:38] <rabbitear_sdf> I have to be back later, goodluck and thanks
• 1026[06:54:49] <wgertler> peace, thank you too
• 1027[06:55:03] <wgertler> rant, do you have any further insights?
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• 1029[06:56:03] <rant> wgertler: idk doesnt make sense your machine is not doing what it was before with the nomodeset or not booting to single.. try removing the splash and quiet and see WHERE it hangs.. or even IF its hanging..
• 1030[06:56:21] <rant> without those options you should see the full kernel output and know where its choaking
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• 1032[06:56:37] <rant> try both kernels even and see if they're having the same issue
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• 1034[06:56:53] <wgertler> rant: that's what I did when I set it to single. It stopped hanging and started crashing
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• 1036[06:57:00] <annadane> what you can do is collate all the relevant info in a paste and keep bugging irc (during the daytime when everyone is awake) or the mailing lists. i guarantee you'll be able to fix your system if you've followed wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
• 1037[06:57:02] <wgertler> I'll give it a go though, nothing to lose at this point
• 1038[06:57:39] <wgertler> annadane: good idea, I'll add some stuff there noe
• 1039[06:57:40] <wgertler> w*
• 1040[06:57:52] <wgertler> or, approximately now
• 1041[06:58:37] <annadane> or even the debian forums, where it's less likely to get glossed over
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• 1043[06:58:55] <annadane> but debian-user is a pretty high volume list so your chances of a reply are decent
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• 1045[07:00:10] <rant> the original thoughts as to the modesetting bug would be highly unlikely to be causing a system to hang or crash.. it'd only screw up the graphics
• 1046[07:00:26] <rant> I'm beginning to think you got other problems like bad ram or something
• 1047[07:00:29] <wgertler> ok, so I tried removing all the flags. On the new kernel it just crashed, on the old it's still on but blackscreened
• 1048[07:01:32] <wgertler> rant that would suck pretty royal
• 1049[07:01:37] <rant> a machine and linux especially don't need graphics to work
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• 1051[07:02:07] <wgertler> though the ram read properly in system info in both debian and windows
• 1052[07:02:23] <rant> though gpus can cause a kernel to hang up, its usually when they're actually doing something.. not just booting
• 1053[07:02:37] <wgertler> I don't think I have a gpu?
• 1054[07:02:40] <rant> yeah that doesnt mean anything at all
• 1055[07:02:49] <wgertler> ok fair nuff
• 1056[07:02:57] <rant> well its integrated into the cpu, but w/e
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• 1058[07:03:31] <wgertler> would it be a good idea to switch the ram out right now? There's supposedly a stick in the back plate and another under the keyboard... not looking forward to surgery
• 1059[07:03:39] <wgertler> ah ok
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• 1061[07:04:38] <rant> idk really cause I have no idea what you mean when you say it crashes or hangs, and I checked debian wiki, thinkwiki, and google for your hw id, and nobody mentions having this or any issue remotely like it.. near as I can tell people are saying even the models with optimus are working
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• 1063[07:05:57] <wgertler> rant: that's so screwed up
• 1064[07:06:00] <rant> bad ram or bad PSU could cause anything to happen.. random problems all over the board.. but ram especially could cause problems that look like graphics issues especially when the graphics card is using system ram and the same address ranges all the time
• 1065[07:06:45] <wgertler> when I say hang I mean the computer freezes and it just seems to stop responding at all. When it crashes, the screen sometimes flickers, but I mean it shuts down immediately
• 1066[07:07:14] <rant> yeah well linux doesn't shut down when it oopses/panics
• 1067[07:07:23] <rant> the bios does that though..
• 1068[07:07:28] <rant> like when the fan is bad or something
• 1069[07:07:35] <annadane> make sure to check dmesg
• 1070[07:07:49] <rant> can't check dmesg, he's not getting far enough to do it
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• 1072[07:07:53] <annadane> ah
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• 1074[07:08:15] <rant> is the machine hot, are the fans working?
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• 1076[07:08:45] <rant> when linux hangs it spews messages to the kernel buffer, hangs the system, flashes the kbd lights..etc.. it doesnt usually turn the power off
• 1077[07:09:28] <wgertler> I don't really know what to say except that has not been my experience with this machine :P
• 1078[07:09:48] <rant> a good way to know if its actually hung or not is to try toggle numlock or something.. if the light comes on/off when you press the key, its not totally hung..cause if it was hung it'd be flashing that light to tell you its hung and wouldnt be able to handle that interrupt
• 1079[07:10:07] <rant> just because you can't see anything doesnt mean the kernel is out to lunch
• 1080[07:10:28] <wgertler> oh true, I'll try that
• 1081[07:10:47] <annadane> tl;dr: buy the kernel lunch
• 1082[07:11:27] <annadane> i'm totally useless btw i'm just here for the comic relief which isn't even that funny
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• 1085[07:12:29] <wgertler> ok so I tried to boot the new kernel, and it stopped on the line "Started User Manager for UID 117
• 1086[07:12:47] <wgertler> and then froze in such a way that toggling capslock does not give me a light
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• 1088[07:13:21] <rant> well as I said before, if the kbd lights wont toggle, thats usually a sign the kernel is in fact hung
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• 1091[07:14:09] <rant> however I'd try booting single when doing this so you're not trying to start X and adding more variables to the mix
• 1092[07:14:28] <wgertler> ok, I'll try that
• 1093[07:15:14] <wgertler> grab-bag on whether it actually fails in a way I can read
• 1094[07:15:26] <wgertler> crashed this time
• 1095[07:15:28] <rant> not starting X rules out a lot of graphics related issues, it should just be trying to start a single login console and would indicate the problems are solely hw or kernel related
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• 1097[07:15:54] <rant> yes this is just not right.. a machine isnt suppose to just power off if thats whats happening
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• 1099[07:16:12] <wgertler> that's what it's doing
• 1100[07:16:14] <rant> prime reason machines do that is because the thermal sensors or fan sensors are indicating an issue
• 1101[07:16:30] <rant> another reason is that the ram, cpu, or other hw is coming unplugged or not working
• 1102[07:16:36] <wgertler> weird that that wasn't happening on the nomodeset though, right?
• 1103[07:17:04] <rant> dont see that as being relevant since you can't reproduce it working that way now
• 1104[07:17:14] <rant> it was just luck
• 1105[07:17:19] <wgertler> I mean it used to crash earlier
• 1106[07:17:37] <wgertler> but literally never did when I used nomodeset, successfully on every restart for 11 days
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• 1108[07:18:08] <wgertler> anyway it hung this time after asking me for the root password for maintenance
• 1109[07:18:21] <rant> are you sure its hung?
• 1110[07:18:26] <wgertler> yes
• 1111[07:18:34] <rant> thats what its suppose to do when it boots and it will not echo the password on the screen
• 1112[07:18:35] <wgertler> at least, there's no keyboard response
• 1113[07:18:55] <wgertler> I entered the password and hit enter, nothing
• 1114[07:19:00] <wgertler> capslock, nothing
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• 1116[07:19:14] <rant> Ctrl+D ? I believe it says to boot normally
• 1117[07:19:21] <wgertler> nothing
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• 1119[07:19:37] <wgertler> but yeah, "control-d to continue"
• 1120[07:19:38] <rant> yes this hanging/crashing at different places suggests a hw problem
• 1121[07:19:49] <rant> a software problem would be more consistant
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• 1123[07:20:00] <rant> I'd start with the fans and ram personally..
• 1124[07:20:12] <wgertler> before it used to hang right after the sound stuff
• 1125[07:20:16] <rant> make sure the ram is seated properly.. remove and reinsert it firmly..
• 1126[07:20:17] <wgertler> ok, I'll give it a go
• 1127[07:20:27] <rant> if you have ram to swap, try other ram..
• 1128[07:20:33] <wgertler> will do
• 1129[07:20:44] <rant> verify the fan works.. see if the machine feels like its getting hot..
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• 1131[07:21:10] <rant> usually a thinkpad will throw a shitfit if the fan dont work
• 1132[07:21:14] <wgertler> it doesn't seem to get hot, but it does seem to stay hot after closing the lid
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• 1134[07:21:33] <wgertler> lemme grab the other ram, it's in another building
• 1135[07:21:34] <rant> or at very least stop at the bios and give a fan error if not a really annoying alarm before shutting down
• 1136[07:21:39] <wgertler> (I'm on campus late lmao)
• 1137[07:22:03] <wgertler> ok still weird though becuase I had no problem loading and using other os's
• 1138[07:22:12] <wgertler> except that their resolution was trash
• 1139[07:22:19] <wgertler> but yeah back in ~15
• 1140[07:23:05] <rant> fan issues also wouldnt cause hangs, it'd result in shutdown
• 1141[07:23:25] <rant> ram issues however could cause virtually any kinds of issues and would be spurratic and hard to diagnose
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• 1143[07:24:17] <rant> as would problems with the PSU.. but psu issues are far less common in laptops as they have dual power sources (AC and DC/batt) and more complex power systems
• 1144[07:24:48] <rant> power issues in laptops are often more caused externally by bad power lines or faulty peripherals
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• 1146[07:34:12] <wgertler> back
• 1147[07:34:39] <wgertler> I'll try the new ram and keep y'all updated
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• 1149[07:35:19] <rant> I suppose you could've also tried memtest idk if its enabled by default but afaik it was rolled into the kernel source
• 1150[07:35:25] <rant> !memtest
• 1151[07:35:25] <dpkg> To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. replaced-url
• 1152[07:36:58] <wgertler> lmao no I didn't
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• 1154[07:36:59] <wgertler> RIP
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• 1156[07:38:05] <rant> grep -i memtest /boot/config-4.9.0-8-amd64 says CONFIG_MEMTEST=y
• 1157[07:38:15] <rant> so apparently it is built in to the debian kernels
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• 1175[07:42:01] <rant> however memtesting could take hours before it encounters an error
• 1176[07:42:42] <rant> swapping ram is faster.. and personally in all my years most ram issues were due to ram becoming jarred lose and just reseating it fixed it
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• 1182[07:48:23] <wgertler> no luck
• 1183[07:48:39] <wgertler> replaced the ram, but it still hangs on boot
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• 1188[07:49:57] <rant> idk makes no sense to me that booting the old kernel with nomodeset as you were doing before is not working
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• 1191[07:50:58] <wgertler> you're telling me
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• 1193[07:51:44] <rant> does the battery work on this machine?
• 1194[07:51:50] <wgertler> literally getting the same results as before with the replaced ram though
• 1195[07:51:56] <wgertler> looks like it
• 1196[07:52:08] <wgertler> I can leave it unplugged for about 4 hours
• 1197[07:52:15] <rant> does it behave any differently running on battery?
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• 1199[07:52:27] <wgertler> pardon?
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• 1201[07:52:41] <rant> power issues can cause these sorts of things to happen
• 1202[07:52:41] <wgertler> oh sorry misread
• 1203[07:52:45] <wgertler> no, no difference
• 1204[07:53:10] <rant> though a laptops power cord can tolerate a fair amount of fluctuation
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• 1206[07:54:31] <rant> do you have any other bootable media other than this installation?
• 1207[07:54:54] <wgertler> I can in a minute, I think I've got debian 18.04 on a usb
• 1208[07:55:06] <wgertler> but I can also do a fresh re-install if that's a good idea
• 1209[07:55:15] <rant> there is no debian 18.04
• 1210[07:55:23] <wgertler> I meant to type ubuntu
• 1211[07:56:30] <rant> says ubuntu 18.04 ships with linux 4.15 which is somewhere between Stretch and Stretch-backports
• 1212[07:56:41] <wgertler> is that a good thing?
• 1213[07:56:45] <rant> but its likely configured differently.. wouldnt hurt to see what it does
• 1214[07:56:50] <wgertler> kk
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• 1217[07:58:00] <wgertler> it appears to boot with the correct resolution
• 1218[07:58:12] <wgertler> that is, it gives me 1366x768 immediately
• 1219[07:58:33] <rant> can you paste the xorg log and lsmod output from there?
• 1220[07:58:45] <rant> or even the dmesg output for that matter
• 1221[07:59:20] <rant> alternatively we could always try booting debian with the ubuntu kernel..
• 1222[07:59:31] <rant> which would easily tell us that this is in fact a kernel problem
• 1223[07:59:40] <wgertler> ok one moment
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• 1225[07:59:56] <wgertler> I don't have wifi on the booted ubuntu 'cause it's so new
• 1226[08:00:01] <rant> you need only point the grub on the ubuntu stick to the debian rootfs
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• 1228[08:00:25] <rant> well you can skip the pastebin stuff if you wanna just try booting debian with the ubuntu kernel and see if that works
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• 1230[08:00:39] <rant> then we know you need a newer kernel than even the stretch-backports one
• 1231[08:01:11] <wgertler> ok for reasons that may be a little irrational, I would strongly prefer to have pure debian
• 1232[08:01:21] <rant> I'm not saying do this permanently
• 1233[08:01:37] <wgertler> is it easy to change later?
• 1234[08:01:37] <rant> worst case you may need to pull a buster/sid kernel or make your own
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• 1237[08:01:52] <wgertler> idk it's not a hardship to do the paste stuff it just takes a little time
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• 1239[08:02:07] <rant> I'm just saying right now for testing at the ubuntu grub, change the root device stuff to match the debian grub line
• 1240[08:02:31] <rant> its same difference, would take a long time scouring through longs to pinpoint the issue and still wind up at same result..
• 1241[08:02:35] <wgertler> ok I didn't install ubuntu though, just tried "testing" it out of the drive
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• 1244[08:02:53] <rant> yes I know.. but you can boot ubuntu's kernel and point it at the debian rootfs
• 1245[08:03:18] <wgertler> rant I'm sorry, you're talking a little over my head at the moment
• 1246[08:03:42] <wgertler> what should I do right this second? Do I need to install ubuntu?
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• 1248[08:04:00] <rant> you'd boot debian.. edit the grub command line like you were doing before.. look at the root= parameter.. write down the UUID.. then boot ubuntu, edit grub at the menu, change the root= to the debian UUID
• 1249[08:04:23] <rant> effectively telling the kernel on the usb stick to boot the rootfs on the hdd
• 1250[08:04:34] <wgertler> ok but to access ubuntu at the grub menu, I need to install it
• 1251[08:04:38] <wgertler> right?
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• 1254[08:04:46] <rant> shouldnt, no..
• 1255[08:04:53] <rant> it doesnt show a menu?
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• 1257[08:05:10] <wgertler> Not afaik, I booted directly from drive
• 1258[08:05:12] <wgertler> lemme check
• 1259[08:05:20] <rant> if it has the menu delay set to 0, then you may need to press shift or something to get it to come up
• 1260[08:05:24] <rant> but you'd have to do it fast
• 1261[08:05:30] <rant> right after the BIOS screen
• 1262[08:05:41] <rant> IIRC shift is how you bring up the grub menu
• 1263[08:06:18] <rant> though alternatively you can also just chroot to the debian from the ubuntu and plug a sid/buster kernel in there and try that too.. :P
• 1264[08:06:21] <rant> !kernels
• 1265[08:06:23] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.19-rc8, stable 4.18: 4.18.14, longterm 4.14: 4.14.76, longterm 4.9: 4.9.133, longterm 4.4: 4.4.161, longterm 3.18: 3.18.124 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.59, linux-next: next-20181016
• 1266[08:06:29] <rant> ,kernels
• 1267[08:06:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1);
• 1268[08:06:32] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 1269[08:06:33] <wgertler> ok there's nothing ubuntu in the grub
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• 1271[08:07:11] <selckin> can anyone verify that there a problem with kde dependencies in sid atm (not installable, unmet) or that i should search for local problems
• 1272[08:07:14] <rant> actually seems backports is up to speed with buster/sid
• 1273[08:07:39] <rant> selckin: check the bts, as any sid user should do first, then go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org
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• 1277[08:10:04] <rant> wgertler: the ubuntu entries are on the grub loader on the ubuntu stick.. not on the hdd.. even if you dont see the menu, its still there.. they apparently just set the timeout so low it never shows up.. you have to press the shift key right after the bios screen before ubuntu kernel loads and the menu will come up
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• 1279[08:10:21] <wgertler> there is no grub loader on the stick
• 1280[08:10:31] <rant> there has to be a loader.. it cant boot without it
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• 1282[08:10:53] <rant> its just configured to not show the menu
• 1283[08:11:09] <rant> as I said three times now, you press shift before the kernel loads and you'll see the menu
• 1284[08:11:28] <rant> just like pressing F8 brings up the ntldr menu you never see on windows
• 1285[08:12:03] <rant> hold the shift key right after the lenovo screen before ubuntu loads, and you'll see the grub menu
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• 1288[08:12:30] <annadane> selckin, what rant said, but also check tracker.debian.org and replaced-url
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• 1291[08:13:20] <annadane> if you use aptitude and investigate (in other words not just press y when it proposes solutions blindly) it tends to be helpful
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• 1294[08:14:27] <wgertler> ok, held shift after powering on regularly, no ubuntu anything just the grub like when I do nothing
• 1295[08:14:41] <wgertler> tried holding shift from booting from the drive, also no grub
• 1296[08:15:07] * rant shrugs.. ubuntu's wiki even says to do this
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• 1299[08:15:26] <rant> replaced-url
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• 1303[08:15:54] <rant> it does say however if you have UEFI you press esc to get grub menu
• 1304[08:15:58] <zenix_2k2> one question, does Debian provide a light distro with no GUI ?
• 1305[08:16:04] <wgertler> aha
• 1306[08:16:08] <rant> zenix_2k2: yes its called debian
• 1307[08:16:08] <wgertler> I think I do have uefi
• 1308[08:16:13] <wgertler> I'll try that
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• 1310[08:16:36] <zenix_2k2> rant: what ? o_o
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• 1313[08:16:43] <rant> zenix_2k2: the desktop environment is a choice you make in the installer.. if you dont chose one you dont get one
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• 1315[08:16:45] <zenix_2k2> but most of the distros i see aren't light and they have GUI
• 1316[08:17:14] <pingfloyd> zenix_2k2: your point?
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• 1318[08:17:43] <wgertler> ok from escape I'm in a diagnostic screen
• 1319[08:18:01] <wgertler> no menu, just some system info and it says hit any key to exit
• 1320[08:18:21] <wgertler> after hitting a key, it just goes to the grub I've had from the beginning
• 1321[08:19:08] <rant> zenix_2k2: replaced-url
• 1322[08:19:29] <rant> thats Debian 9 Stretch installed in virtualbox.. it takes up 916MB, has no GUI
• 1323[08:19:44] <ArsenArsen> is there a way to write to standard input of a unit (type=simple)
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• 1325[08:20:30] <wgertler> ok I tried hitting escape booting into from the key and I got some kind of menu
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• 1327[08:21:08] <zenix_2k2> rant: yea but still, light ?
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• 1329[08:22:13] <wgertler> from there it has a memory test and something that says check disk for defects, as well as the options on the regular menu
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• 1337[08:23:56] <wgertler> it also has an option to boot first from hard disk
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• 1352[08:28:35] <selckin> annadane: thanks helped a lot
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• 1354[08:32:08] <wgertler> rant: I'm still in the menu, but it's not the ubuntu grub like I remember, it's something a little weirder
• 1355[08:32:35] <wgertler> should I try hitting esc after "try ubuntu without installing"?
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• 1360[08:34:52] <wgertler> ok, I tried that and nothing happened except that it freaked a little and just eventually booted into ubuntu
• 1361[08:34:54] <zenix_2k2> rant: yea but how many GB does that take for you ?
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• 1363[08:36:26] <wgertler> I got some boot options in the esc menu screen thing but it just gave me the one line, nothing about a uuid
• 1364[08:37:20] <rant> zenix_2k2: I told you already.. the screenshot tells you.. 916MB thats LESS than 1GB
• 1365[08:37:56] <zenix_2k2> oh cool
• 1366[08:38:28] <rant> zenix_2k2: thats just the base system..
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• 1369[08:39:44] <rant> zenix_2k2: replaced-url
• 1370[08:40:09] <rant> zenix_2k2: thats the list of packages installed in the Stretch base system
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• 1372[08:40:54] <zenix_2k2> ok then
• 1373[08:41:38] <zenix_2k2> also is that the lightest Debian image someone could have ?
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• 1375[08:41:48] <zenix_2k2> i am just trying to look for the lightest linux distro as possible
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• 1377[08:42:26] <Haohmaru> with desktop?
• 1378[08:42:50] <zenix_2k2> Nope
• 1379[08:42:53] <zenix_2k2> only CLI
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• 1381[08:43:43] <rant> zenix_2k2: you can get linux in like 2-4MB but its not gonna be all that useful
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• 1383[08:44:06] <ArsenArsen> can i make a systemd unit use a fifo pipe or two as its stdio, if the type is simple
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• 1385[08:44:08] <rant> hell my WRT54G runs linux, and it has only like 4-8MB space
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• 1387[08:44:28] <ThCTLo> hi, im trying to find why my systemd service files are modifies at install. my problem is there are 4 lines added and i cant findout where this is coming from. anyone who knows this? its a backported package.
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• 1389[08:44:34] <zenix_2k2> rant: well as long as it has some essential syscalls, i am cool with it
• 1390[08:44:58] <rant> zenix_2k2: well then go buy a wrt54G for like $2 and run ddwrt or something.. heh
• 1391[08:45:48] <zenix_2k2> well let's me see
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• 1393[08:46:14] <rant> zenix_2k2: if you need something a lil more fancy, try a pi or a netgear wnr3500L (also a router lke the wrt54g)
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• 1395[08:47:20] <rant> zenix_2k2: but if you want a robust stable and well supported OS, Debian is all that and more, and yes 916MB is the size of our base install, and replaced-url
• 1396[08:47:40] <rant> size may vary slightly depending on arch
• 1397[08:48:01] <zenix_2k2> how about x86_64 ?
• 1398[08:48:22] <zenix_2k2> oh yea right you did say above
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• 1404[08:50:35] <rant> I dont think you know what you're talking about
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• 1406[08:51:02] <rant> AMD64 is an arch/intstruction set used even by Core2Duo, Intel Core i, etc..
• 1407[08:51:14] <rant> it IS x86_64
• 1408[08:51:18] <zenix_2k2> well yes i know
• 1409[08:51:23] <zenix_2k2> i didn't see you say that so :P
• 1410[08:51:45] <wgertler> seriously considering just using ubuntu, I can't seen to find the thing you're talking about rany
• 1411[08:51:48] <wgertler> rant*
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• 1413[08:51:52] <rant> yes well its not my fault people make confusing tech terms..
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• 1416[08:52:30] <rant> wgertler: idk.. I had nfc hours ago.. I was just throwing out a crazy idea
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• 1418[08:52:42] <wgertler> nfc?
• 1419[08:52:47] <rant> ~nfc
• 1420[08:52:53] <rant> !nfc
• 1421[08:52:53] <dpkg> well, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference
• 1422[08:52:59] <wgertler> oh lmao
• 1423[08:53:22] <rant> dpkg nfs is also near field communication
• 1424[08:53:24] <dpkg> okay, rant
• 1425[08:53:47] <rant> dpkg nfc is also near field communication
• 1426[08:53:47] <dpkg> rant: okay
• 1427[08:53:50] <wgertler> ok well something that is a little heartening is that it might be the ram that's bricked
• 1428[08:55:15] <rant> yes but apparently as I originally thought the kernel is buggy even in backports
• 1429[08:55:40] <rant> and thats why I had the wild idea to point the ubuntu kernel at the debian rootfs.. to be sure
• 1430[08:56:21] <rant> but apparently you can't handle that part of it.. I'd personally use debian even if I had to chroot from ubuntu and compile my own kernel
• 1431[08:56:56] <wgertler> well wtf man I don't see anything saying uuid in the boot options
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• 1433[08:57:01] <wgertler> there is no grub at all
• 1434[08:57:22] <wgertler> it's just some weird boot menu that looks like it's probably specific for bootable drives
• 1435[08:57:27] <wgertler> there's nothing to edit
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• 1438[08:58:19] * rant downloads replaced-url
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• 1441[08:59:00] <wgertler> I've got one more idea but after that... idk
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• 1444[08:59:48] <rant> apparently its gonna take me 7-8min to dl this.. heh.. idk whats up with this connection tonight it crapped out totally a while ago
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• 1450[09:00:47] <rant> at least with VB I would be able to not only do the process but record it too
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• 1473[09:10:16] <wgertler> well godspeed you rant but I'm expecting you're going to see what I mean
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• 1477[09:11:21] <rant> wgertler: yeah it is indeed quite a specially made boot menu
• 1478[09:11:33] <wgertler> no kidding
• 1479[09:11:45] <rant> but when I select english and goto "Try Ubuntu without installing" the kernel command line is right there
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• 1481[09:12:08] <rant> which meeans you need only remove the file= and boot= and put your own boot= and root= params
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• 1483[09:12:19] <rant> the initrd part you will still need
• 1484[09:12:35] <ArsenArsen> what can lead to `modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nf_conntrack_ftp': Invalid argument` (and similar failures related to nf)
• 1485[09:13:02] <wgertler> rant you mean in the debian boot flags, right?
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• 1487[09:13:26] <rant> wgertler: yeah gimme a sec
• 1488[09:13:31] <wgertler> you got it
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• 1502[09:19:52] <wgertler> rant, any updates?
• 1503[09:20:05] <Ormu> :O
• 1504[09:20:33] <wgertler> also idk what time it is for you but over here it's like 3:20 am so thanks a ton for staying up
• 1505[09:20:38] <Ormu> how to find out the build parameters used to build a library that is available in the repos, in this case, openCV?
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• 1508[09:23:01] <rant> wgertler: yeah we're in same timezone
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• 1520[09:28:01] <wgertler> rant, I'd want to coma back to debian eventually if I do make the switch now but I've got no gauge for when that would be a good plan
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• 1522[09:29:00] <wgertler> I think it might be best to call it a night for now.
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• 1525[09:32:00] <rant> wgertler: alright.. you'd be better off if you could get here during the daytime when more people are around
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• 1527[09:32:31] <wgertler> rant I'll give it a shot. For now, I will sleep the sleep of the valiant
• 1528[09:32:45] <wgertler> thanks again for throwing your hat in, it was much appreciated
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• 1538[09:37:18] <rant> yeah well, these are to me the spanish countryside :P
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• 1564[10:01:32] <Psy-Q> i posted two bugs for the snmpd package, one about removing the snmp user unasked, another about removing and re-adding the user Debian-snmp on every single upgrade (which changes its gid/uid if any user has been removed in the meantime, which triggers rkhunter)
• 1565[10:01:58] <Psy-Q> i think the postrm upgrade action is just lazy, if it detected a few things this could be prevented
• 1566[10:03:01] <rabbitear_sdf> you should be on hackerone and bugcrowd
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• 1623[10:55:45] <jelly> ArsenArsen: forgetting to reboot after a kernel package upgrade
• 1624[10:56:59] <m0nty> Please visit replaced-url
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• 1629[10:58:42] <dfstorm> Forgetting to reboot after a kernel upgrade: The perfect troll to do to a sysadmin for a job application test. You'll know if the guy really have experience with linux haha
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• 1631[10:59:32] <jelly> dfstorm: it's not my favorite trick question, and it's somewhat specific to Debian as it depends on kernel ABI staying exactly the same
• 1632[11:00:13] <dfstorm> jelly: Indeed.
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• 1649[11:13:38] <Li> why debian 9 don't allow automatically complete the command name if not proceeded by sudo? even if it's completely typed manually it returns the command not exists instead of lack of access rights error! e.g. iptables -L
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• 1657[11:15:36] <jolt> Li: Because they try to separate administrative commands and put them in /sbin, /usr/sbin etc, which isn't in a normal users $PATH by default
• 1658[11:16:08] <jolt> Li: Which I think is sane. But you could add them to your users path (or set them as default for all users) with /etc/profile.d/
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• 1660[11:16:34] <jolt> Li: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin in your profile
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• 1668[11:23:05] <Ulrar> Hi, so I installed bridge-utils and made a bridge, but it looks like post-up aren't executed for bridge. Any idea why and how to fix it ?
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• 1687[11:38:49] <csehl> i'm trying to create a USB-key that has the same booting properties as debian.iso. I'm analyzing this iso contents, it seems to have a MBR (not protective) and GPT. how can i reproduce this for my USB?
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• 1689[11:41:07] <csehl> i'm in gdisk /dev/sdd now; on debian.iso it will show that both is present, MBR and GPT and asks me to choose which one to use. On my USB i only have a regular GPT with protective MBR now, for which gdisk obviously doesn't show any choices
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• 1693[11:44:26] <jolt> csehl: I have no idea about this, but since the installer talks about dd'ing the installer iso to a usb device, can't you do that and then investigate that one is written?
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• 1697[11:44:36] <jolt> +how
• 1698[11:45:47] <jolt> celyr: or if replaced-url
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• 1700[11:45:48] <Ulrar> Well, I've put my post-up on another interfaces. It's digusting but it works
• 1701[11:45:49] <csehl> jolt: even crazier, for the newest iso's it doesn't ask you to dd them to a USB, only cp debian.iso /dev/sda
• 1702[11:46:14] <csehl> jolt: and the extracted contents are, what i'm looking at with fdisk/gdisk/parted
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• 1705[11:47:32] <jolt> Ulrar: have you tried putting a script in /etc/network/if-up.d instead? Maybe that could work (and customize it to only match your bridge-if)
• 1706[11:47:35] <csehl> jolt: not sure how they managed to pull that stunt (cp only to write file system to disk). maybe it's so built-in and easy that i'm overlooking something
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• 1733[11:59:18] <rnmhdn> I'm in debian with qemu
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• 1741[12:07:20] <Li> jolt: thanks for the informative reply
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• 1759[12:16:31] <Haohmaru> i'm charging my laz0r
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• 1766[12:26:30] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Wrong channel?
• 1767[12:27:10] <Haohmaru> nah, it was a joke (guess it wasn't funny)
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• 1769[12:28:49] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Yeah, better to keep it to #debian-offtopic, as we try to keep this channel free for support requests.
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• 1774[12:31:16] <RandomSerb> does anyone know how to enable flash for chromium on debian 9 stretch?
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• 1776[12:31:46] <FinalX> pretty sure flash support stopped a whole long time ago for chromium
• 1777[12:31:51] <FinalX> and if not, it should've
• 1778[12:31:56] <petn-randall> Flash? That's something I haven't heard in a long time.
• 1779[12:32:15] <petn-randall> !flash
• 1780[12:32:16] <dpkg> Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. replaced-url
• 1781[12:32:23] <petn-randall> !flash stretch
• 1782[12:32:23] <dpkg> it has been said that flash stretch is flashplugin-nofree package has been broken for months and was not included in stretch. To install manually obtain the flash plugin (npapi tar.gz) from replaced-url
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• 1812[12:50:08] <bolovanos> any idea why this .bashrc setup does not color promt? replaced-url
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• 1819[12:53:03] <ChrisH> I record TV (DVB-S2) stuff using tvhead into TS files. I can cut/trim them using kdenlive and render into some formats. I would like to render into VOB but it end in melt eats up all system memory and randmon processes gets killed by OOM. Questions: Are there more programs like kdenlive? I found no open bug on melt pointing into memory issues. Is this just to be expected rendering HD Streams? Any other opti
• 1820[12:53:10] <ChrisH> ons to cut/trimm HD streams?
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• 1827[12:59:26] <emucla> ChrisH --> replaced-url
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• 1850[13:15:48] <ChrisH> emucla: Thanks. I will give some of these alternatives a try... Just testing if a SD stream can be rendered. I did that a while ago with old-stable on differen HW successfully.
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• 1856[13:21:01] <jolt> ChrisH: Handbrake? perhaps
• 1857[13:21:38] <emucla> ChrisH: You're welcome. Sometimes I do simple things with OpenShot, it works quite well for me
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• 1865[13:27:22] <ChrisH> emucla: OOM killed melt after allocating most of the 32GB RAM after doing 7%..... I will got got OpenShot
• 1866[13:27:35] <ChrisH> s/got got/go for/
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• 1869[13:32:59] <martian67> is there a web search for reverse dependancies?
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• 1879[13:37:14] <ChrisH> emucla: It is exporting the HD Stream now and using abt. 2GB virtual and 400MB RSS
• 1880[13:37:25] <jolt> martian67: packages.debian.org?
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• 1889[13:39:14] <martian67> that shows dependancies jolt
• 1890[13:39:18] <martian67> not what depends on a package
• 1891[13:39:28] <martian67> which is what i want to know
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• 1894[13:40:51] <pagetelegram> Will I break WindowMaker Live if I upgrade from 8 to 9? If not how can I upgrade the Debian from 8 to 9? Or should I just leave it alone at 8?
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• 1896[13:41:08] <jolt> martian67: apt-cache rdepends <package> then
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• 1900[13:41:21] <martian67> jolt: yes id like a website :)
• 1901[13:41:39] <jolt> martian67: You can't have both! :D
• 1902[13:42:40] <jolt> martian67: I have heard that there are web-pages you can order vpses through, and run commands via the browser! :D
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• 1907[13:46:36] <pagetelegram> How do I give a user permission to mount devices and drives by default? Having trouble mounting from the UI (WindowMaker) says permission denied. Tho when mounting from command line the drive disappears from filemanager tab.
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• 1910[13:50:19] <jolt> pagetelegram: If it's something statick, then there is a "user" mount option you can use in fstab. If it's not, then I would probably use sudo. Hopefully someone else might have something better
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• 1912[13:51:05] <pagetelegram> jolt: Thanks, just reading on that fstab now.
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• 1914[13:51:49] <pagetelegram> An example given has 'noauto' if I set to 'auto' then the drives will mount on boot?
• 1915[13:51:56] <jolt> pagetelegram: if you go the sudo route, then sudo mount -o rw,users,umask=000 /dev/sdX /mnt/somedir, make sure you have users on it, so that they can unmount, and set the umask or uid so they can unmount/write it
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• 1917[13:52:21] <ChrisH> pagetelegram: yes. I would prefer noauto
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• 1921[13:52:42] <jolt> pagetelegram: I normally just use "defaults" and then you dont need the other stuff. All depends on what would happen if it's not available and you boot
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• 1923[13:53:10] <ChrisH> pagetelegram: mainly if it is about eg. CIFS/SMB mounts from fileservers not beeing accessible when booting in differen location.
• 1924[13:53:37] <jolt> If it's a network device, then add _netdev to the options, so that it doesn't try to mount before network is up
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• 1926[13:53:40] <pagetelegram> jolt/ChrisH: the drives are just two other partitions that I normally want to access daily. All part of the sda drive
• 1927[13:53:53] <jolt> pagetelegram: ahjust use defaults then
• 1928[13:53:59] <jolt> or auto and your other options
• 1929[13:54:05] <pagetelegram> thanks
• 1930[13:54:06] <ChrisH> pagetelegram: why not mount it on default without user
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• 1933[13:54:47] <woenx> Hi. I have a very old computer (p4 with 1gb ram) with an outdated version of debian. It has google chrome installed, but it's also outdated and it crashes constantly. Is there any way I can use a modern but portable web browser. It needs to be 32bit
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• 1946[13:58:34] <pagetelegram> woenx: Puppy Linux or built up from TinyCore, there is a deb varient of it.
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• 1951[13:59:40] <pagetelegram> Also check out Bunsenlabs Linux or a fork of the CrunchBang (CrunchBang++) maybe best option, they have 32bit version that supports old hardware
• 1952[14:00:05] <woenx> pagetelegram: I currently have debian squeeze in it. It kinda works, so I'd rather not update it anymore (I know it's not being maintained anymore).
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• 1954[14:00:59] <Neobenedict> trying to install debian
• 1955[14:01:06] <pagetelegram> woenx: I use latest version of Chrome on my deb8 of WindowMaker Live and that works fine. There are 32 and 64bit versions of WindowMaker live.
• 1956[14:01:06] <Neobenedict> go to parition disks manually -> raid -> raid 0
• 1957[14:01:08] <Neobenedict> partition length of 7814033408 sectors exceeds the msdos-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295
• 1958[14:01:10] <Neobenedict> then installer bugs out
• 1959[14:01:15] <woenx> aha
• 1960[14:01:16] <Neobenedict> why and how?
• 1961[14:01:28] <Neobenedict> i have to reboot
• 1962[14:01:34] <woenx> ok, i'll try that sometime
• 1963[14:01:34] <Neobenedict> and restart installation
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• 1965[14:02:42] <pagetelegram> woenx tho all the examples I provide you are all debbies or have debbie options.
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• 1967[14:03:34] <woenx> pagetelegram: I am trying QtWeb, it's just an executable. The thing is that I don't want to spend more time with that computer, just install a web browser in case sometimes I need it
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• 1969[14:04:49] <jelly> woenx: the only two web browsers safe enough for public internet sites in Debian are chromium and firefox-esr
• 1970[14:04:58] <woenx> I see
• 1971[14:05:08] <jelly> ,v chromium
• 1972[14:05:10] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; buster: 69.0.3497.92-1; sid: 70.0.3538.54-2
• 1973[14:05:12] <woenx> I tried to see if there was an appimage of chromium, but it says it only run in 64bit systems
• 1974[14:05:16] <jelly> ,v chromium --arch i386
• 1975[14:05:17] <judd> Package: chromium on i386 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 69.0.3497.92-1~deb9u1; buster: 69.0.3497.92-1; sid: 70.0.3538.67-1
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• 1978[14:05:48] <jelly> chromium is apparently not built for jessie (debian 8) any more
• 1979[14:05:56] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr --arch i386
• 1980[14:05:57] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on i386 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.2.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 60.2.2esr-1
• 1981[14:06:12] <woenx> aha
• 1982[14:06:28] <jelly> and firefox-esr is out of date as well right now
• 1983[14:06:54] <woenx> oh :(
• 1984[14:07:01] <jelly> merely 2-3 months out of date, while chromium is like a year
• 1985[14:07:13] <woenx> well, it's better than nothing
• 1986[14:07:17] <woenx> i'll try it
• 1987[14:07:41] <woenx> sorry, I have debian squeeze, not wheezy, xD
• 1988[14:07:47] <woenx> that thing is so old
• 1989[14:07:51] <woenx> but it still kinda works
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• 1992[14:08:58] <woenx> I mean, it's a laptop with a floppy disk drive
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• 1994[14:09:45] <pagetelegram> The mounting Dockapp (WM) is not mounting an exfat partition. Have exfat-fuse installed and mounts fine on command line.
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• 1996[14:10:27] <pagetelegram> woenx, you trying to install a distro off floppy?
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• 1998[14:10:50] <woenx> no no no, it also has a cd-rom. I don't want to touch the distro, I just wanted to see if I could run an updated web browser in it
• 1999[14:11:57] <pagetelegram> Oh ok, I've played with some tight distros that will fit on CD though I will need to brush up on my memory and what is still maintained.
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• 2010[14:16:20] <pagetelegram> woenx: replaced-url
• 2011[14:16:43] <HurricaneHarry> maybe vivaldi browser ?
• 2012[14:16:47] <woenx> Thanks
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• 2014[14:17:03] <woenx> I'll try several distros from a usb pendrive, and then choose which one works better
• 2015[14:17:20] <woenx> I'm worried about having to reinstall nvidia dedicated drivers though...
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• 2017[14:18:06] <pagetelegram> The default deb install have had issues with unless installer designed to boot from USB. Installing from Optical, at least for me has been only option as is for WindowMaker Live for example
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• 2022[14:20:24] <samael> any particular instructions to upgrade stretch to buster, aside than editing sources.list and upgrading?
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• 2028[14:23:50] <joepublic> samael, for what it's worth, that has worked fine for me on multiple machines and architectures here.
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• 2030[14:27:05] <samael> joepublic: ok, let's see. thanks
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• 2057[14:51:49] <karlpinc> samael: There could be release notes to follow. Dunno how early they start work on that.
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• 2059[14:52:53] <samael> karlpinc: seems it's too early, can't find anything official. anyway i'm almost done
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• 2102[15:22:11] <Li> why uanme -i and -p return unknown on debian?
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• 2107[15:23:26] <jelly> Li: because Debian's kernel builds can run on different processors or platforms.
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• 2112[15:25:02] <Li> I thought uname does, is going checking the processor physically and gives the result back
• 2113[15:25:23] <jelly> it does not. The values are built in during kernel compilation.
• 2114[15:25:29] <rnmhdn> why is sysinfo output for total ram different from the free command?
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• 2117[15:26:34] <avu> rnmhdn: do you have an integrated GPU?
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• 2120[15:27:14] <spackle259> rnmhdn: What do you mean?
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• 2122[15:27:43] <rnmhdn> yes
• 2123[15:27:56] <rnmhdn> avu: ^
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• 2125[15:28:32] <petn-randall> rnmhdn: Can you paste both commands + output to replaced-url
• 2126[15:29:02] <rnmhdn> avu: do you have any followup?
• 2127[15:29:28] <rnmhdn> spackle259: man 1 free; man 2 sysinfo
• 2128[15:29:59] <rnmhdn> petn-randall: there is really nothing to paste. I print sysinfo.totalram
• 2129[15:30:06] <rnmhdn> and I issue the free command in bash
• 2130[15:30:13] <avu> rnmhdn: not sure about sysinfo but free reports the memory available to the system, so it's installed memory minus what your machine reserves for the integrated GPU
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• 2132[15:31:07] <rnmhdn> interesting:D I didn't know about that:D
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• 2134[15:31:56] <rnmhdn> avu: I think sysinfo must tell all there is since if it didn't noone would:D
• 2135[15:32:24] <avu> rnmhdn: it's not like the installed amount is all that interesting to report
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• 2138[15:32:44] <avu> rnmhdn: the amount actually available like reported by free is much more relevant
• 2139[15:33:10] <jelly> rnmhdn: do you have sample code? How different is it?
• 2140[15:33:32] <rnmhdn> avu: what is totalhigh btw?
• 2141[15:33:35] <avu> rnmhdn: so I'd actually imagine sysinfo does the same and the difference you're seeing is due to something else
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• 2145[15:33:59] <petn-randall> rnmhdn: And you get some actual output, don't you? You can show us that.
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• 2151[15:35:24] <rnmhdn> lol
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• 2153[15:35:26] <rnmhdn> ok wait
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• 2159[15:37:27] <rnmhdn> replaced-url
• 2160[15:38:05] <avu> rnmhdn: high memory is memory not directly mapped into kernel space according to google, no idea why you're asking me :)
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• 2162[15:38:39] <rnmhdn> you might wanna turn %d into %lld in the code bc I was running that on a 512MB system
• 2163[15:38:49] <petn-randall> rnmhdn: ... and what is the output *you* are seeing?
• 2164[15:39:02] <rnmhdn> avu: because I read that but then the output is zero so I don't udnerstand
• 2165[15:39:24] <avu> rnmhdn: replaced-url
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• 2169[15:40:14] <rnmhdn> in my debian which is in qemu I get around 524MB but I run qemu with -m 512 and free in that debian gives me around 511
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• 2171[15:40:36] <rnmhdn> in my archlinux host I get 8082632 from free
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• 2173[15:40:47] <rnmhdn> and 8276615168 from sysinfo
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• 2175[15:41:15] <avu> rnmhdn: matches exactly
• 2176[15:41:27] <avu> rnmhdn: 8276615168 / 1024 -> 8082632
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• 2180[15:41:43] <rnmhdn> oops
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• 2182[15:42:15] <petn-randall> And that's why I was asking for actual output. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2184[15:42:53] <rnmhdn> yeah I thought I had already given actual output
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• 2186[15:43:01] <rnmhdn> because I had asked this question a while ago somewhere else
• 2187[15:43:10] <rnmhdn> and I said the output there
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• 2189[15:43:19] <spackle259> rnmhdn: you asked in ##linux lol
• 2190[15:43:43] <rnmhdn> spackle259: no that was another question
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• 2192[15:43:58] <joepublic> you did post a link to your source code where you ask the OS for the information, above.
• 2193[15:44:06] <rnmhdn> spackle259: I had asked in #qemu
• 2194[15:44:14] <spackle259> rnmhdn: aah
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• 2196[15:44:33] <rnmhdn> joepublic: yeah but the source code is really not important here
• 2197[15:44:44] <rnmhdn> it's no "sourcecode" it's just basic usage of a syscall.
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• 2199[15:44:55] <rnmhdn> It's about the smallest code you can write to call that syscall that I know of
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• 2201[15:45:06] <avu> of course that's source code oO
• 2202[15:45:11] <petn-randall> this ^
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• 2204[15:45:21] <joepublic> I'm pretty sure it's not object code, and it doesn't look executable.
• 2205[15:45:21] <petn-randall> You have a weird definition of source code, it seems.
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• 2207[15:45:28] <petn-randall> :)
• 2208[15:45:46] <rnmhdn> that quotation has a meaning
• 2209[15:45:52] <rnmhdn> forget it people:D
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• 2211[15:45:57] <rnmhdn> I'm sorry and thankful:)
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• 2213[15:46:09] <avu> yes, "source code" has a meaning. And what you've pasted matches that meaning perfectly. :)
• 2214[15:46:14] <petn-randall> Glad we could help. You're welcome!
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• 2216[15:47:13] <rnmhdn> avu: I mean sourcecode and "sourcecode" are kinda different.
• 2217[15:47:27] <rnmhdn> forget it it doesn't really matter.
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• 2235[15:54:07] <The_Photographer> hi
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• 2237[15:54:25] <The_Photographer> I'm over a proxy http, how I could use ssh with it?
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• 2242[15:55:01] <petn-randall> The_Photographer: HTTP and SSH are different protocols, so the answer would be "impossible".
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• 2244[15:55:18] <The_Photographer> petn-randall: thanks
• 2245[15:55:19] <The_Photographer> shit
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• 2247[15:55:45] <petn-randall> The_Photographer: What are you trying to accomplish?
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• 2250[15:56:49] <The_Photographer> petn-randall: I need to conect me with gitlab to work in a free open source project during my little free time at work, however, the company uses a http proxy
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• 2252[15:57:39] <petn-randall> The_Photographer: You can ask your admin to allow SSH connections to gitlab.
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• 2254[15:58:02] <The_Photographer> petn-randall: that should be a joke
• 2255[15:58:50] <The_Photographer> well, another person in a higher position than mine already requested it, however, it was not accepted
• 2256[15:59:17] <joepublic> you can tunnel HTTP over SSH, of course, the opposite of what you need.
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• 2261[16:01:01] <The_Photographer> joepublic: Yes i know that
• 2262[16:01:17] <joepublic> Sorry, just remarking on the irony at your expense. I repent.
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• 2265[16:01:44] <The_Photographer> with HTTPS should be posible
• 2266[16:01:47] <The_Photographer> let me see
• 2267[16:01:56] <The_Photographer> joepublic: np
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• 2277[16:04:49] <themill> You can push to gitlab over https
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• 2279[16:07:50] <The_Photographer> ssh: connect to host ssh.github.com port 8080: Connection refused
• 2280[16:07:59] <The_Photographer> it was only a port test
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• 2283[16:08:08] <The_Photographer> themill: how I could do that?
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• 2285[16:08:57] <themill> github ≠ gitlab
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• 2288[16:09:30] <The_Photographer> themill: yes it was only a test
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• 2290[16:09:52] <joepublic> if was not a test of pushing to gitlab over https, notably
• 2291[16:09:53] <themill> testing the thing that you actually want to test usually works better
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• 2294[16:11:17] <minji> How do I configure my touchpad? I want to enable two finger scrolling
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• 2298[16:12:31] <outoftime> minji: depends on DE and its tools, IMHO
• 2299[16:12:43] <minji> outoftime: I don't have a DE
• 2300[16:13:48] <outoftime> minji: replaced-url
• 2301[16:13:58] <minji> I configured it on another distribution with synaptics before but that doesn't seem to work
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• 2303[16:14:02] <minji> Yes, I'm 100% sure
• 2304[16:14:21] <bites> The_Photographer: in gitlab, at the top of the project page it lets you select ssh or https url to clone the project from.
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• 2306[16:14:49] <joepublic> rather than a technically correct but not terribly helpful "my installation does not contain a desktop environment in the strict sense", why not mention what you are running?
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• 2308[16:15:17] <The_Photographer> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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• 2310[16:15:33] <minji> joepublic: I didn't think that made any difference beyond what I said. Aren't the tools going to be the same no matter what?
• 2311[16:15:33] <bites> The_Photographer: if you already have a local copy you will have to change the url for remote origin or set a different remote with the https url.
• 2312[16:15:34] <outoftime> minji: `ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/` show output pls
• 2313[16:15:36] <joepublic> I say this because "Hey, how do I do (thing) with some unspecified software?" has the technically correct but unhelpful answer "nobody knows"
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• 2316[16:15:56] <dionysus69> I installed easy-rsa and it didnt get added to PATH
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• 2319[16:16:10] <dionysus69> It is located in /usr/share/easy-rsa
• 2320[16:16:10] <minji> I am using dwm with no desktop environment
• 2321[16:16:12] <The_Photographer> bites: thanks but it show a TLS problem
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• 2326[16:17:10] <g0zzy> Just had nasty installer hiccup. I decided just before the end of the installation to go back and make a second disk /srv. The installer then started complaining about a media change and mentioned inserting the installer CD. It was already inserted. I now have an installation with no bootloader. What's the best way to proceed?
• 2327[16:17:11] <The_Photographer> This error message means that git is having trouble setting up such a secure connection
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• 2334[16:19:22] <joepublic> I am probably not the one to know enough to answer, but do you know the model of your touchpad and/or what driver is currently managing it?
• 2335[16:19:29] <bites> The_Photographer: please try the exact url. without the trailing slash and user credentials.
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• 2337[16:19:58] <The_Photographer> bites: same error
• 2338[16:20:27] <outoftime> minji: are you looking for this replaced-url
• 2339[16:20:30] <bites> The_Photographer: what's the exact command?
• 2340[16:21:03] <The_Photographer> bites: git clone replaced-url
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• 2343[16:22:27] <joepublic> minji, though the tools should be the same (i agree with you), various desktop environments provide various different GUI tools to manage touchpads. Oh, nevermind, you left.
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• 2347[16:23:10] <The_Photographer> bites: and the error is "Cloning into 'inkscape'... fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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• 2354[16:24:32] <The_Photographer> bites: the problem is solved
• 2355[16:24:43] <bites> what did you do?
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• 2362[16:25:36] <The_Photographer> bites: i changed the export https_proxy=replaced-url
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• 2364[16:26:01] <outoftime> joepublic: just tried to help him, looks like he didn't like it
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• 2366[16:26:04] <minji> outoftime: yeah, I have the option set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
• 2367[16:26:12] <The_Photographer> bites: :) yeah!!!!!!!!
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• 2371[16:27:13] <The_Photographer> bites: thanks for your help, and the answer is YES, SSH can work over a HTTP only proxy
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• 2374[16:27:29] <bites> heh, well, glad it works now.
• 2375[16:28:08] <jelly> The_Photographer: that's not a http-only proxy if it does CONNECT
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• 2381[16:29:28] <outoftime> minji: 17:22 < joepublic> minji, though the tools should be the same (i agree with you), various desktop environments provide various different GUI tools to manage touchpads.
• 2382[16:29:31] <outoftime> Oh, nevermind, you left.
• 2383[16:29:36] <The_Photographer> jelly: it's a http only proxy
• 2384[16:30:00] <jelly> The_Photographer: it does more than http, but you access it over http.
• 2385[16:30:17] <jelly> this is normal.
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• 2387[16:30:31] <The_Photographer> jelly: I can access to it only by http
• 2388[16:30:36] <jelly> yes.
• 2389[16:30:46] <jelly> that's not what "http only proxy" means however.
• 2390[16:30:50] <The_Photographer> I can also access to https with http
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• 2393[16:31:49] <jelly> you can access multiple protocols over that proxy, but you're accessing the proxy _itself_ only via http (and not, say, socks5)
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• 2397[16:32:44] <outoftime> minji: as I understand, you have X server and dwm, so your answer will be to configure one of this and I'm not familar with any of it. You can ask xorg and dwm communities or wait here for a while. Just tell that you are using dwm.
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• 2417[16:35:31] <RoyK> The_Photographer: how on earth do you make ssh work over http without a gateway?
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• 2432[16:37:17] <jelly> RoyK: not over http. Over a http proxy that allows CONNECT to relevant hosts and ports. Just like it does when proxying https.
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• 2447[16:40:25] <jelly> ,i corkscrew
• 2448[16:40:27] <judd> Package corkscrew (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: tunnel TCP connections through HTTP proxies. Version: 2.0-11; Size: 10.9k; Installed: 31k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2454[16:41:56] <katerino> Hey, so I made a custom keyboard layout and added it to Debian following various internet tutorials, and eventually got it to work. But now parts of my normal layout aren't working. I remapped caps lock to control, which still works. But the compose key and the esperanto letters don't.
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• 2457[16:42:41] <katerino> As far as I know I didn't change the default layout at all (didn't modify the text files defining US layouts).
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• 2461[16:43:27] <katerino> I tried restarting, of course. And turning settings on and off in the gui settings menu.
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• 2467[16:44:35] <katerino> I have no idea what would cause the compose key and esperanto letters to not work, but the customization to remap caps not to be affected.
• 2468[16:44:43] <emilengler> Someone knows how to submit a new package to the debian repo ?
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• 2470[16:44:59] <wgertler> hey gang, came here last night and got some assistance from rant, but we couldn't crack the problem. Here's a paste with the relevant information I can remember. Checked the chat logs but didn't find our conversation unfortunately. replaced-url
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• 2473[16:46:16] <wgertler> Has to do with debian hanging on boot and displaying with inapropriately poor resolution
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• 2484[16:48:53] <The_Photographer> RoyK: The same question ask me to me
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• 2487[16:49:35] <wgertler> annadane: that's where I looked I think
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• 2563[16:49:57] <annadane> may not have been updated at the time
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• 2565[16:50:07] <joepublic> emilengler, replaced-url
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• 2623[17:00:17] <katerino> Update: The XKBOPTIONS value in /etc/default/keyboard is blank, yet even without "ctrl:nocaps" in there, the caps lock key still works as a control key.
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• 2626[17:00:53] <wgertler> gonna put it out here again- been having trouble with getting debian to boot. Here are the details: replaced-url
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• 2649[17:09:32] <ctcx> Excuse me, is slight offtopic allowed here once in a while, or is there a channel for that?
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• 2651[17:10:05] <greycat> There's #debian-offtopic.
• 2652[17:10:13] <ctcx> Thanks
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• 2659[17:12:12] <ctcx> greycat: sir, you don't lurk the offtopic channel by chance... do you?
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• 2663[17:13:23] <greycat> You could go there and find out
• 2664[17:13:40] <ctcx> That's why I asked
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• 2670[17:15:46] <papemco> Hello guys, anyone to recommend or send me an easy to follow guide on how to set up a VPN!! please!!
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• 2672[17:16:14] <papemco> Some websites were blocked in my country and i want to access them
• 2673[17:16:30] <greycat> Then you don't need a full VPN. Just a proxy.
• 2674[17:16:31] <jhutchins_wk> !tor
• 2675[17:16:31] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
• 2676[17:16:40] <greycat> ... that would be one.
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• 2678[17:17:19] <jelly> it's useful to have a secure connection to said proxy, though
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• 2681[17:17:56] <greycat> The simplest web proxy is to ssh -D to an unblocked host, and then point your web browser to the SOCKS proxy that ssh -D created for you. Voila, a few seconds and you're done. The hard part, of course, is having an unblocked proxy host you can ssh to. You can rent a cheap VPS.
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• 2688[17:20:02] <ctcx> I have read the ssh manual before, and never have been able to understand the -D option...
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• 2695[17:21:26] <greycat> You choose a port number on your end that's not being used for anything else, and tell ssh -D to listen locally on that port. That becomes your SOCKS proxy port. Then you tell Firefox or whatever browser to use 127.0.0.1:portnumber as your SOCKS proxy.
• 2696[17:21:56] <n4dir> all you need is a host you can ssh too?
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• 2700[17:22:29] <greycat> Basically, yes. The host you ssh to has to be able to reach the actual web sites. And your DNS requests will still go from the browser, I think, rather than from the proxy host.
• 2701[17:23:11] <jelly> and a sshd configuration that doesn't specifically prevent port forwards ("proxying)
• 2702[17:23:20] <outoftime> papemco: google for vpn extension for your browers, it is the simpliest way ever, but not very secure on the other hand (because of closed source)
• 2703[17:23:27] <n4dir> there are "free" accounts to find. (ah, probably what jelly said)
• 2704[17:23:40] <greycat> A default sshd_config works.
• 2705[17:24:09] <papemco> outoftime, okay! thanks
• 2706[17:24:20] <n4dir> though i think at sourceforge or a similar side i could use a cli browser. well: too long ago. Also "free unix account" spits results
• 2707[17:24:31] <n4dir> s/side/site
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• 2713[17:26:03] <ctcx> greycat: so I tell ssh to listen to an unused local port on my side. Talking about ssh client or server?
• 2714[17:26:11] <ctcx> ...oh, server, right?
• 2715[17:26:16] <greycat> Client.
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• 2718[17:26:35] <ctcx> Aahh
• 2719[17:27:14] <ctcx> ...any difference between using -D option and editing ssh_config?
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• 2723[17:27:38] <greycat> You don't need to edit sshd_config. You need to NOT have edited sshd_config. That's what jelly was saying.
• 2724[17:27:56] <greycat> By default, port forwarding is allowed. You just need it not to have been DISallowed.
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• 2726[17:28:24] <greycat> Then you run ssh -D 9999 user@host on your machine, and then point your web browser to localhost 9999.
• 2727[17:29:05] <greycat> You can add other options like -N if you want to be fancy.
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• 2731[17:30:22] <katerino> Huh. I tried setting XKBOPTIONS to "esperanto:dvorak,compose:lctrl". Now instead of getting nothing when I type <altgr>+<c>, I get "c", when I should be getting a diacritic there. And instead of the compose key doing nothing, it just prevents input for two keypresses worth.
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• 2733[17:31:01] <ctcx> greycat: I meant *ssh_*, not sshd_
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• 2735[17:31:11] <outoftime> greycat: so ssh -DN ... makes proxy server from ssh?
• 2736[17:31:29] <ctcx> greycat: that's why I asked
• 2737[17:31:36] <greycat> ctcx: I can't imagine why you would be editing ssh_config
• 2738[17:31:53] <wgertler> Went nuclear- I've just installed ubuntu to fix my resolution problem. God help me.
• 2739[17:32:01] <greycat> We forgive you.
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• 2742[17:32:52] <outoftime> wgertler: what was the problem?
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• 2746[17:33:29] <jelly> outoftime: ssh -D portnumber ... literally makes a socks proxy listening on client's localhost and portnumber
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• 2748[17:33:39] <jelly> yes.
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• 2750[17:33:50] <outoftime> katerino: you can also ask in xorg channel as well as your DE channel.
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• 2753[17:34:01] <jhutchins_wk> Well, this is interesting. / is 31% free but out of inodes.
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• 2755[17:34:11] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: clearly not xfs!
• 2756[17:34:13] <wgertler> outoftime: here's the paste
• 2757[17:34:15] <wgertler> replaced-url
• 2758[17:34:15] * jelly hides
• 2759[17:34:15] <katerino> Oh, I didn't realize those existed.
• 2760[17:34:38] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: ouch.
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• 2765[17:37:02] <outoftime> wgertler: I'm sorry I will not use kernels higher then 4.15, Linus did not participate, I'm not using Linux.
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• 2767[17:37:31] <greycat> oh god, what insane conspiracy theories am I in for now...
• 2768[17:38:09] <BCMM> outoftime: this sounds like a great opportunity for you to start a new distro!
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• 2772[17:38:42] <jelly> BCMM: I think you mean new kernel!
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• 2774[17:38:59] <jelly> Debian GNU/outoftimex
• 2775[17:39:04] <greycat> Maybe he'll try to resurrect the Hurd!
• 2776[17:39:10] <nyov> oh wow, tin foil hat time
• 2777[17:39:24] <n4dir> Is there an eays way to explain the difference between ssh -L and ssh -D ? i sure don't get it
• 2778[17:39:27] <BCMM> jelly: that sounds difficult and boring
• 2779[17:39:29] <n4dir> from the manpage
• 2780[17:39:42] <greycat> ssh -D makes a SOCKS proxy. ssh -L just does a plain port forward.
• 2781[17:39:53] <jelly> n4dir: -L sets up a fixed forwarding from to one specific tcp destination:port
• 2782[17:40:18] <jelly> n4dir: -D enables setting up many connections to many destinations, using socks protocol
• 2783[17:40:19] <BCMM> far better to just create a distro which never gets any kernel security updates forever. it just needs a catch name!
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• 2785[17:40:40] <n4dir> thanks to both of you.
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• 2788[17:42:31] * jelly trusts bwh kernels more than linus kernels
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• 2790[17:43:12] <FinalX> NT kernels!
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• 2794[17:44:01] <ctcx> greycat: I can't imagine neither, but the fact is, *there's* ssh_config there in all distros. Why? No idea
• 2795[17:44:09] <n4dir> last time i checked kFreeBSD wasn't that bad
• 2796[17:44:52] <colo-work> jelly, "bwh"?
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• 2798[17:45:58] <jelly> debian kernel developer, also upstream maintainer for 3.16 (and maybe 3.2 still?)
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• 2822[18:00:22] <peaceguy> .last seen BOSNA
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• 2825[18:01:14] <peaceguy> .last_seen BOSNA
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• 2827[18:02:14] <peaceguy> k so no bosna
• 2828[18:02:16] <peaceguy> ok
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• 2830[18:03:23] <petn-randall> peaceguy: Do you need any help?
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• 2833[18:04:25] <peaceguy> petn-randall: how to see when someone is last seen?
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• 2835[18:04:42] <petn-randall> peaceguy: You can't. Do you have a Debian support question?
• 2836[18:04:49] <peaceguy> no sorry
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• 2839[18:05:13] <peaceguy> Debian is cool :)
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• 2854[18:10:57] <Oscar--> Hi, since today I have a strange problem with a Debian 8 VM running as a Xen DomU: After installing latest updates "ldconfig.real" started complaining about .so files not being ELF files. Since then some programs run still fine, some like fsck.ext4 and sshd do not and exit with "symbol lookup error". I checked the system with "debsums", all fine so far. Any hints/ideas?
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• 2915[18:28:10] <jhutchins_wk> Apparently Nagios' performance data has a tendency to do that, over 900k files, many zero length.
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• 2928[18:30:39] <Neobenedict> why can i not install php7.3-fpm thru apt
• 2929[18:30:41] <Neobenedict> php7.3 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php7.3 but it is not going to be installed or
• 2930[18:30:41] <Neobenedict> php7.3-fpm but it is not going to be installed or
• 2931[18:30:41] <Neobenedict> php7.3-cgi but it is not going to be installed
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• 2934[18:31:28] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2935[18:31:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2936[18:31:42] <Neobenedict> what is stable
• 2937[18:31:43] <Neobenedict> 7.0?
• 2938[18:31:45] <greycat> yes
• 2939[18:31:45] <Neobenedict> 7.1?
• 2940[18:31:48] <greycat> no
• 2941[18:31:59] <greycat> ,v php-fpm
• 2942[18:32:00] <judd> Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+62; sid: 1:7.3+66
• 2943[18:32:00] <Neobenedict> why can I select the package
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• 2945[18:32:09] <Neobenedict> have i messed up a config
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• 2949[18:32:30] <Neobenedict> ie. shouldn't i have to do php7.3/unstable
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• 2953[18:33:15] <Neobenedict> god ufcking damn it why does php7.0 install apache as a dependancy lmao
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• 2955[18:33:19] <Neobenedict> shoulda done -fpm
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• 2959[18:34:08] <karlpinc> Neobenedict: I think apache is "recommended" or some such. You can un-install it -- I think... I always just never enable the service.
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• 2962[18:35:13] <karlpinc> Neobenedict: Give it an "aptitude why $packagename" to see more.
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• 3030[19:07:41] <RandomSerb> are people really doing this join/part flood? I now that was popular a long time ago, like in 2000's..
• 3031[19:10:10] <somiaj> seems the joins/parts I see look more like connection issues
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• 3035[19:12:36] <RandomSerb> doesn't look like connection issues, tbh. They come from different places on earth, and they're connected to different servers
• 3036[19:12:57] <RandomSerb> so neither and internet provider went down to cause this, nor an irc server went down.
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• 3039[19:13:09] <RandomSerb> I mean, not 100% sure, but it doesn't look like so
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• 3042[19:14:20] <somiaj> with the number of users here it isn't uncommon that people are restarting their clients, or have connection issues and time out, and so on. But this is mostly off topic here, I just don't see anything out of the ordinary in terms of parts/joins
• 3043[19:15:15] <somiaj> the ops do ban users who are contstally joining/parting, but in my experience this is mostly due to someones bad internet connection issue, so we forward them to a fix_your_connection channel.
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• 3047[19:18:26] <jhutchins_wk> RandomSerb: For a channel this big it's probably a good idea to hide join/part messages.
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• 3049[19:19:07] <RandomSerb> juhop, totally makes sense
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• 3141[20:20:14] <hanasaki> anything in the debian exim template that enables deny sender of email address or full domains or wildcards via a file for blacklist?
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• 3214[20:56:28] <tharkun> Good $DAY avahi-daemon is running on my computer gobbling up 100% cpu and a meager 0.2% memory I've killed it several times to no avail. How can I defenetly stop it before I run out of battery?
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• 3217[20:57:22] <module000> tharkun: kill it and remove the executable permission from the binary. TIMTOWTDI
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• 3219[20:57:54] <greycat> or figure out what's respawning it, and ask it to stop
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• 3239[21:05:27] <tharkun> I can't figure out who is invoking avahi-daemon and my battery is allready at 50% any suggestions?
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• 3241[21:06:06] <greycat> What's the parent process? Is there a systemd unit with avahi in the name? Is there a script in /etc/init.d/ with avahi in the name?
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• 3248[21:09:51] <tharkun> I am waiting for avahi to be respawned. So far none of the above. I'll keep you posted in case it reappears. Thank you.
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• 3250[21:11:05] <somiaj> if I recall correctly, it is linked to a lot of systemd hooks.
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• 3254[21:12:27] <somiaj> systemctl list-unit-files | grep avahi returns 'avahi-daemon.service masked' here, which I think is because I disabled it on my machine
• 3255[21:12:40] <somiaj> i.e. I masked the service so hooks wouldn't keep spawning it
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• 3258[21:13:16] <bites> there is a avahi-daemon.service and a avahi-daemon.socket the .socket can start the .service if you don't stop it too.
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• 3260[21:13:20] <Lvl4Sword> Running this replaced-url
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• 3264[21:14:29] <greycat> If I understand correctly, masking the .service will prevent the .socket from starting it. As somiaj said.
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• 3266[21:14:36] <bites> yes
• 3267[21:15:18] <greycat> Hmm, damned thing is running on my machine too. Of course it's not eating CPU so I didn't notice it.
• 3268[21:15:48] <greycat> i cups Recommends avahi-daemon
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• 3274[21:20:31] <Oscar--> Hi, does anybody have an idea, what could make "ldconfig" create an obviously wrong symlink? libcom_err.so.2 -> libkeyutils.so.1.5
• 3275[21:20:50] <tharkun> greycat: PPid: 1 for avahi-daemon
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• 3280[21:24:31] <somiaj> Oscar--: I don't think ldconfig makes those links, I thought it was the postinstall scripts (though maybe I'm wrong)
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• 3296[21:33:45] <greycat> tharkun: I'd go with somiaj's advice. Mask the service (systemctl mask avahi-daemon.service) and it shouldn't be respawned any more.
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• 3330[21:57:28] <d1rewolf> on a fresh install a few days old, is there a way (aside from shell history) to generate a list of packages manually installed with apt?
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• 3337[21:59:35] <vedranm> what can be done when the program crashes with "GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported"?
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• 3339[22:00:03] <jhutchins_wk> d1rewolf: history | grep apt?
• 3340[22:00:28] <greycat> d1rewolf: perusing /var/log/apt/history.log is more likely to be useful
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• 3346[22:02:36] <Oscar--> d1rewolf, take a look into /var/log/dpkg.log*, or maybe "apt-mark showmanual"
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• 3359[22:13:41] <d1rewolf> fuck!!y0u!!
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• 3361[22:13:56] <d1rewolf> damn it
• 3362[22:14:10] <d1rewolf> sry guys ;) wrong window
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• 3364[22:14:19] <d1rewolf> Oscar--: greycat : thx
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• 3449[23:05:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hi. Are PXE images signed / checksummed? I only see the SHA256SUMS file which is for the ISOs.
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• 3465[23:15:18] <somiaj> d1rewolf: aptitude search ~i (this will list which packages are marked Auto install, though after the install, almost all core packages will be marked manual (even though you didn't manually install them with apt)
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