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• 10[00:02:01] <Mikaze> Well, I'm getting nowhere with this network. One day /etc/resolv.conf has only IPv6 dns numbers in it and can't be changed. Now it has back the old IPv4 config and dns numbers but no IPv6 ones and it still takes people 20 secs to telnet into the eggdrop bot, even to localhost and no one can dcc chat or telnet in. A static IP or dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces does nothing different.
• 11[00:03:02] <vrkalak> join #handylinux,#antix,#bunsenlabs,#openbox,#fluxbox-dev,#fluxbox-chitchat,crunchbang,#forthenerds,linuxmint,
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• 13[00:03:32] <Mikaze> Anyone have Jessie's /etc/network/interfaces, set up for dhcp they're willing to dcc send/email to me?
• 14[00:03:43] <sypher> vrkalak: s/^/\//
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• 16[00:04:10] <Mikaze> Or cut&paste into a chat window to me?
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• 18[00:04:38] <sypher> Mikaze: Try google?
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• 20[00:04:50] <Mikaze> What do I ask?
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• 22[00:05:29] <sypher> Mikaze: Is that a real question? "debian dhcp" for starters?
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• 24[00:06:32] <vrkalak> sypher, oops ... lol
• 25[00:06:35] <Mikaze> Nothing I've tried will get me back the interfaces file that Jessie installed. I'm just trying to get it back without having to scratch reinstall like friggin Windows.
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• 29[00:07:54] <sypher> Mikaze: Have you tried looking up the network/interfaces syntax and writing it in? It's two lines.
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• 37[00:08:40] <Mikaze> Nothing in the docs says how it was initially configured, what program(s) were run to create the fileYeah. I typed in tw and more lines and I still have the delay problem.
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• 40[00:09:19] <sypher> Mikaze: Pastebin your current configuration.
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• 47[00:11:24] <sypher> Mikaze: Also include the output from "ip addr".
• 48[00:11:32] <Mikaze> Have it cut. How do I use this pastebin thing?
• 49[00:11:48] <sypher> Mikaze: replaced-url
• 50[00:12:00] <sypher> Paste in "code," your name in "name", hit send.
• 51[00:13:14] <Mikaze> Dammit, I'm stuck with lynx here.
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• 61[00:15:09] <sypher> Mikaze: alternatively, install netcat and use termbin.
• 62[00:15:14] <sypher> replaced-url
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• 66[00:17:29] <sauvin> I've just installed Postgresql 9.5 on Debian Jessie from apt.postgresql.org, following instructions from a wiki. It appears I now have two servers running, one is 9.4 and the other 9.5. Running psql connects to the 9.4 server. How do I disable 9.4 and make psql attach to 9.5?
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• 73[00:19:00] <Azrael_-> sauvin: perhaps first you should have uninstalled your old version...
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• 77[00:19:38] <sauvin> OK, but I didn't. Help?
• 78[00:19:55] <Azrael_-> try uninstalling it now and hope it won't destroy the newer version?
• 79[00:20:14] <sauvin> There's not a damn thing ON the newer version yet, so, the only thing I lose is a bit of time.
• 80[00:20:15] <sypher> sauvin: Was there a compelling reason to use 9.5 over 9.4?
• 81[00:20:22] <sauvin> sypher, upsert.
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• 84[00:20:59] <sauvin> MariaDB has it, PostgreSQL 9.4 doesn't. I wanted to look at 9.5 to see if it's addressed this.
• 85[00:21:05] <sypher> sauvin: I have to admit... I didn't actually expect for you to give me a good reason. Kudos.
• 86[00:21:13] <sauvin> :D
• 87[00:21:30] <sauvin> "Latest! Greatest!" (also, probably "YOU'LL BLEED A LOT!")
• 88[00:22:08] <sauvin> I see this all the time in ##linux: "I just installed the shiniest latest X on my Y, but it doesn't work! Help!"
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• 92[00:23:18] <Mikaze> Think it's pastebin'ed. Couldn't manage it with edbrowse. Had to use lynx and it didn't show the name field, so it might say Frost instead of Mikaze.
• 93[00:23:58] * Mikaze does the ip addr thing.
• 94[00:24:34] <sypher> Mikaze: I need a link to the pastebin entry.
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• 98[00:25:55] <sauvin> Azrael_-, progress. Can't connect to the DB because role 'sauvin' doesn't exist. You were right.
• 99[00:25:59] <egrain> This will tell the OpenVPN server to validate the username/password entered by clients using the login PAM module. < does that mean i have to add everyone i want to be able to join via useradd to the shadow file?
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• 101[00:26:20] <sypher> egrain: In correct parlance, they must have an account on the local system, yes.
• 102[00:26:50] <egrain> i don't know if i like that. but i can make them like system users, right? no login, on home dir...
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• 104[00:26:59] <egrain> no home dir.
• 105[00:27:17] <sypher> egrain: I more secure solution would be to configure certificate authentication and issue a cert for each authorized client or device.
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• 107[00:27:34] <egrain> i know, i know, but then i would have to make keys everytime i have someone new join the vpn.
• 108[00:27:41] <sypher> egrain: Correct.
• 109[00:27:48] <egrain> it's just for playing games.
• 110[00:28:15] <egrain> and the less the windows chimpanzees have to do the better.
• 111[00:28:38] <sypher> egrain: So, writing a .ovpn file with the certs and keys inline is too complicated for them? Double click to win?
• 112[00:28:41] <egrain> anyway, thanks a bunch.
• 113[00:29:17] <egrain> oh, they don't have to actually. i rename every key and crt file to client.key/crt so they don't even have to change the config files.
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• 115[00:29:43] <sauvin> Azrael_-, yup, I'm in. Thanks.
• 116[00:29:48] <Azrael_-> sauvin: yw
• 117[00:29:59] <sypher> egrain: Yeah, you're not getting it. You can embed the key and cert in a single config file.
• 118[00:30:10] <egrain> also, yes, it is. have you ever tried to explain these things to a girl? no offense to the girls who know their way around stuff, but in my experience they usually don't.
• 119[00:30:26] <egrain> embed? apparently i don't.
• 120[00:30:28] <egrain> tell me more.
• 121[00:30:31] <sypher> egrain: The CCNP I work with wouldn't take kindly to that. And, frankly, nor do I.
• 122[00:30:40] <egrain> as i said, no offense.
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• 124[00:31:14] <sypher> egrain: Google is your friend. "openvpn inline keys"
• 125[00:31:15] <egrain> i can only talk about the experiences i made.
• 126[00:31:27] <egrain> i thought duckduckgo was the thing to go to now.
• 127[00:31:34] <egrain> but thanks again.
• 128[00:31:37] <sypher> egrain: idgaf what search engine you use.
• 129[00:31:41] <sypher> Google is a convenient verb.
• 130[00:32:06] <egrain> i guess i've upset you.
• 131[00:32:07] <egrain> i apologize then.
• 132[00:32:08] <Mikaze> Well, hope lynx managed to paste it all.
• 133[00:32:37] <sypher> egrain: It just shows a lack of maturity and respect.
• 134[00:32:50] <egrain> what?
• 135[00:33:21] <dedgecumbe> egrain: the slur. if you mean 'novice users' or whatever, just say it
• 136[00:33:44] <egrain> but i was actually talking about the girls i had to explain stuff to.
• 137[00:34:03] <egrain> and i even said that i don't mean any offense to girl who know their stuff.
• 138[00:34:26] <egrain> i mean you can be touchy, but again i was talking about the people i came in contact with.
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• 140[00:35:00] <Mikaze> egrain: Just drop it. Nothing you say will help.
• 141[00:35:06] <markybob> egrain: it's not about being touchy. it's against channel guidelines
• 142[00:35:11] <sypher> Just because you say "no offense" doesn't mean someone won't be offended by a stupid remark.
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• 144[00:37:36] <egrain> so i guess i should be offended every time someone says that i don't know shit about horses because i'm a guy.
• 145[00:37:38] <egrain> or make up.
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• 147[00:37:51] <egrain> or cooking.
• 148[00:37:51] <sypher> egrain: Dude, drop it.
• 149[00:38:03] <markybob> egrain: you should drop it before you're banned
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• 151[00:38:30] <egrain> i'm just trying to explain my point and you are threatening me with a ban.
• 152[00:39:10] <sypher> egrain: Maybe that should do something to make you realize the impression you've made. Drop it.
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• 154[00:39:31] <egrain> i know what impression i've made. you made it pretty clear.
• 155[00:39:39] <egrain> but i don't like to be seen in that light.
• 156[00:39:54] <egrain> so what other option do i have than to explain my statement?
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• 158[00:39:57] <markybob> egrain: so don't act like an asshole
• 159[00:40:03] <egrain> how am i the asshole?
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• 161[00:40:08] <sypher> egrain: Attempting to rationalize it is not going to help.
• 162[00:40:09] <egrain> i'm not threatening to ban anyone, am i?
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• 167[00:40:33] <markybob> egrain: you're putting down women. that's not okay.
• 168[00:40:40] <egrain> but what i said is the truth. in my experience girls don't know about this stuff and they don't even care about it enough to try it.
• 169[00:40:43] <egrain> so how is that being an asshole?
• 170[00:41:06] <egrain> but i'm totally not. i even recognized that there are girls who know their computer stuff.
• 171[00:41:10] <sypher> egrain: Here's a tip. If you have that hard of a time explaining something to someone, then you aren't that knowledgeable in the subject. I taught my wife (an artist) Python. Learn more, try harder.
• 172[00:41:27] <egrain> and what does that have to do with anything?
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• 174[00:41:35] <egrain> if she's an artist or a disc jockey?
• 175[00:41:47] <egrain> if she doesn't want to learn about it she won't learn it.
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• 177[00:42:16] <Mikaze> Lack of interest guarantees failure.
• 178[00:42:31] <BenNZ> so how does this conversation relate to the topic of the channel ?
• 179[00:42:38] <sypher> egrain: You truly don't get it. Have fun, dude.
• 180[00:42:41] <egrain> and that is my whole point. the girls i had to explain stuff like that to didn't care enough about it. they just wanted to game to work.
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• 182[00:43:04] <egrain> okay, let's make it simple then. tell me where my statement was false.
• 183[00:43:08] <markybob> BenNZ: it doesn't. egrain stay on topic
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• 185[00:45:17] <dedgecumbe> egrain: it's the flippant 'have you ever tried to explain this to an X'.
• 186[00:45:35] <markybob> let's all just stop
• 187[00:45:40] <cafuego> or else
• 188[00:45:43] <egrain> which i clarified on later. also marybob was right, #debian-offtopic?
• 189[00:45:48] <dedgecumbe> egrain: most of the X in my life don't know what openvpn is because most people don't know how a computer differs from a toaster.
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• 191[00:46:13] <dedgecumbe> it just seems arbitrary and hateful to choose some random group, that's all. :)
• 192[00:46:39] <egrain> i get that. that's why i clarified it in the next two sentences. i even said "in my experience".
• 193[00:46:53] <dedgecumbe> (i'll probably be rather sad if humanity as a whole one day is invalidated as a humour target :P)
• 194[00:47:09] <sine0> *yawn*
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• 197[00:48:10] <egrain> anyway, i'm gonna turn the table i say that i'm offended now, because sypher made it clear that artists usually can't code and that's why it's especially noteworthy that he was able to teach an artist python.
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• 199[00:48:44] <bazhang> egrain, know any good chat channels?
• 200[00:48:49] <egrain> haha.
• 201[00:49:00] <egrain> i'll stop. that was my last statement.
• 202[00:49:03] <egrain> thanks for bearing with me though.
• 203[00:49:34] <bazhang> debian has an offtopic channel iirc
• 204[00:49:39] <Akuw> any tool to download in browser so when stop i can resume again?
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• 206[00:50:07] <bazhang> Akuw, browsers have that built in
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• 214[00:53:46] <Akuw> bazhang: but if for some reason i close browser, it start again?
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• 218[00:54:11] <bazhang> Akuw, no, its per session
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• 220[00:54:25] <Akuw> that is my point
• 221[00:54:32] <bazhang> what is
• 222[00:54:41] <Akuw> i am trying to use wget but oracle don't allow that
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• 224[00:54:53] <bazhang> wget what
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• 229[00:55:31] <Akuw> this--> replaced-url
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• 231[00:55:56] <bazhang> whats the size
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• 233[00:56:10] <Akuw> 1.6GB
• 234[00:56:23] <bazhang> and whats your netspeed
• 235[00:56:27] <Mathisen> that link is strange " In order to download products from Oracle Technology Network you must agree to the OTN license terms.
• 236[00:56:27] <Mathisen> Be sure that... "
• 237[00:56:46] <Mathisen> and so on...
• 238[00:56:50] <Akuw> yes i am trying with password and user
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• 240[00:57:00] <Akuw> and read a lot of things on internet
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• 242[00:57:05] <Akuw> none works
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• 244[00:57:14] <bazhang> whats your netspeed
• 245[00:57:27] <Akuw> 1 Mbits
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• 247[00:57:31] <Akuw> take a lot of time
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• 251[00:58:05] <Akuw> the wors is last tiem my browser close and i lost 600MB downloaded
• 252[00:58:06] <Akuw> :S
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• 254[00:58:33] <bazhang> that seems only marginally related to debian
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• 256[00:58:59] <Akuw> but related to wget
• 257[00:59:10] <Akuw> wget channel never answer
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• 260[00:59:28] <bazhang> dont shut the browser, simple
• 261[00:59:41] <Akuw> hooo, of course
• 262[00:59:52] <Akuw> is the simple solution
• 263[01:00:10] <bazhang> they wont allow wget
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• 267[01:01:05] <Akuw> in some parts they allow it, i did test
• 268[01:01:09] <Akuw> but in this case no
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• 286[01:04:07] <acos> Howdy folks:)
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• 326[01:23:24] * Mikaze wonders if elinks would work better with pastebin.
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• 329[01:24:52] <somiaj> M3mphiZ: why not just use pastebinit?
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• 348[01:33:27] <Mikaze> links2 worked!
• 349[01:33:43] <msl09> how can I display the shutdown sequence of debian?
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• 352[01:34:37] <somiaj> msl09: what do you mean by that?
• 353[01:35:30] <msl09> previously when I started a shutdown I got a series of messages telling me that the system was killing processes, umounting devices and so on
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• 355[01:35:37] <msl09> that doesn't happen anymore
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• 357[01:36:10] <Azrael_-> since when?
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• 359[01:36:14] <Mikaze> K. /etc/network/interfaces and `ip addr` is pasted in for whomever wants to look at pastebin from Mikaze. Hope you can tell me why my system keeps taking 20 secs to dcc chat or telnet to itself and takes others the same.
• 360[01:36:20] <msl09_> sorry my client disconnected
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• 362[01:36:45] <Azrael_-> Mikaze: we need a link to the paste
• 363[01:37:06] <msl09_> anyways is there a way to reactivate the sequence log?
• 364[01:37:13] * Mikaze looks and hopes he can find it on links2...brb.
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• 366[01:37:28] <Azrael_-> msl09: since when did they "disappear"?
• 367[01:37:46] <msl09_> I think it disappeared from wheezy to jessie
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• 372[01:39:12] <Mikaze> Is this it?: Posting 412580 from Mikaze posted at 2016-03-07 00:32:55 expires: 2016-03-08
• 373[01:40:09] <sypher> Mikaze: Is your internet connection ipv6 enabled to the world?
• 374[01:40:17] * Mikaze looks farther for a URL...
• 375[01:40:20] <msl09_> the reason why I want that information is because my machine have been hanging during shutdown in a black screen and I want to know where it's stopping
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• 377[01:40:26] <sypher> Mikaze: I'm already looking at it.
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• 379[01:40:51] <Mikaze> K.
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• 381[01:41:03] <sypher> Mikaze: So, is your internet connection IPv6 enabled to the world?
• 382[01:41:22] <Mikaze> I'm not sure.
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• 384[01:41:50] <Dagger> inet6 2601:203:1:2aec:225:90ff:fea0:f58/64 scope global mngtmpaddr dynamic <-- suggests yes
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• 386[01:42:06] <Dagger> and that's Comcast, whose v6 is generally sane and functional
• 387[01:42:06] <sypher> Dagger: No, that suggests that his router thinks it is.
• 388[01:42:07] <karlpinc> msl09_: Reminds me of something in the release notes....
• 389[01:42:09] <Mikaze> I think the router is using IPv6, but am not sure the computer knows it.
• 390[01:42:17] <Dagger> (the paste is at replaced-url
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• 392[01:42:28] <sypher> Mikaze: If the router is, then the client knows it. That's how IPv6 works by default.
• 393[01:42:38] <sypher> Mikaze: And it takes a while to SSH into the system?
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• 396[01:42:58] <Dagger> I can ping that IP, so it's working
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• 398[01:43:58] <Mikaze> I haven't tried ssh.
• 399[01:44:13] <sypher> Wait, are you actually using telnet to access that system?
• 400[01:44:20] <Mikaze> The firewall on the router isn't open for ssh.
• 401[01:44:45] <karlpinc> msl09_: Could it be related to plymouth, as in some sort of splash-screen-ie-ness?
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• 403[01:45:13] <msl09_> hmm
• 404[01:45:30] <karlpinc> msl09_: There is also /etc/default/grub and the "quiet" option for the kernel. If you change that file you need to re-run update-grub.
• 405[01:45:31] <Dagger> I can't connect to either port 22 or 23 on 2601:203:1:2aec:225:90ff:fea0:f58
• 406[01:45:33] <msl09_> isn't plymouth a gnome-desktop dependency?
• 407[01:45:40] <sypher> Mikaze: Then what are you having issues with?
• 408[01:45:44] <msl09_> ah nice
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• 411[01:46:13] <Mikaze> Yes on the telnet. Takes 20 seconds to open the connection.
• 412[01:46:19] <karlpinc> msl09_: It's one of those things that was recommended to be installed with jessie. Maybe. At least regards crytpsetup, although frankly I didn't see the point for my setup.
• 413[01:46:34] <sypher> Mikaze: To confirm, you are telneting into a Linux system?
• 414[01:47:02] <Mikaze> 20 seconds before the login prompt appears, anyway. 20 secs for dcc chat to answer back and open a logon prompt.
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• 419[01:48:36] <sypher> Mikaze: I hear the word "telnet," and I have a minor fit. You're on your own.
• 420[01:49:09] <Mikaze> I'm having problems connecting to my eggdrop bot using telnet to localhost. Same thing from the outside to port 49152 from the outside. Takes 20 secs for the logon prompt to appear.
• 421[01:49:57] <karlpinc> Mikaze: 20 seconds is a strong indicator of dns issues. Perhaps reverse dns lookup? It takes 20 seconds for dns lookup failure, iirc.
• 422[01:49:58] <msl09_> well I removed plymouth just to be safe
• 423[01:50:12] <Mikaze> Started happening when I tried replacing /etc/network/interfaces with an old static IP config.
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• 429[01:52:58] <Mikaze> Yes, I'm using telnet to localhost to an eggdrop bot, but it's also affecting dcc and ctcp chat to me and the bot.
• 430[01:53:14] <karlpinc> Mikaze: You can test dns by using dig to do forward and reverse lookups of your ip, and localhost.
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• 432[01:53:58] <Mikaze> Anything I'm supposed to be looking for with dig?
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• 434[01:55:30] <Mikaze> I'm just trying to figure out how Debian Jessie is setting up dns in the first place so I can find what the heck is going fubar.
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• 436[01:56:30] <Azrael_-> Mikaze: already tried just disabling dns-lookup for ssh-access?
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• 438[01:56:59] <Mikaze> Far as I can see, only avahi-daemon is installed for that. resolvconf package isn't installed and I can't tell what else might be setting it up.
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• 447[01:57:57] <somiaj> and avahi-daemon is more for setting up the network
• 448[01:58:15] <somiaj> dhclient if using dhcp will write to /etc/resolv.conf directly
• 449[01:58:19] <somiaj> so will network manager.
• 450[01:58:20] <sypher> Mikaze: the dhcp client will also do that.
• 451[01:58:21] <Mikaze> The only thing I've touched is /etc/network/interfaces.
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• 454[01:58:50] <somiaj> if you are using a static ip you need to ste up /etc/resolv.conf yourself, and inclidng commands for the nameserver settings in the interfaces file requires you install resolvconf or openresolv to work
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• 458[02:00:10] <Mikaze> interfaces is using dhcp.
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• 460[02:00:42] <somiaj> then dhclient should write to the /etc/resolv.conf the nameserver it got returend, you can check this file to see what nameserver it is using
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• 464[02:02:08] <Mikaze> Yesterday /etc/resolv.conf had two IPv6 addresses in it and nothing would change them. They changed right back as soon as I saved and did a cat on the file. Today there's two IPv4 addys there. <laughs>
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• 474[02:03:30] * Mikaze looks at `dig localhost`
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• 481[02:09:44] <Mikaze> Not sure what I'm reading from dig, other than it appears to be seeing 127.0.0.1 and 2001:558:feed::1#53(2001:558:feed::1) and taking 16.5ms.
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• 493[02:14:36] <Mikaze> Okay then, thanks. Seems dhcpclient is handling it all. network-manager and the others aren't even installed.
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• 497[02:16:01] <Dagger> so long as all your nameservers work, it shouldn't matter much which ones end up in /etc/resolv.conf
• 498[02:16:13] <VulcanRidr> Is this the right place to ask questions about sid installs? I ask since I got a rather snotty reaction from #debian.
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• 500[02:16:49] <Mikaze> lol. Aren't you in #debian now?
• 501[02:16:55] <markybob> VulcanRidr: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 502[02:16:56] <dax> different irc network. try irc.oftc.net, /join #debian-next
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• 505[02:17:16] <dax> i assume the one on freenode redirects here, which is... perhaps unfortunate
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• 508[02:18:36] <bmomjian> Can anyone explain why this is failing: su - bruce sh -c "ls > /dev/tty" with: sh: /dev/tty: No such device or address? WIthout the 'su', it works fine, and it worked fine on Squeeze.
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• 519[02:22:02] <Mikaze> Is there a tool in Debian to calculate the IPv6 equivalent of 10.0.0.100?
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• 526[02:25:16] <Mikaze> Alright. Thanks for the help, folks. Least I know where to start looking. <grins> Thanks.
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• 532[02:28:17] <bmomjian> Oh, I see docs now under 'su' explaining it, -c "The executed command will have no controlling terminal. This option cannot be used to execute interractive programs which need a controlling TTY.".
• 533[02:28:50] <bmomjian> My larger problem is that I am trying to do this sh -c from inside an editor macro and getting the error with the /dev/tty redirection.
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• 571[02:50:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> bmomjian, the command you showed isn't even su -c
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• 573[02:51:04] <bmomjian> oh, yikes, sorry
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• 576[02:51:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> bmomjian, anyway, you should describe the original problem you're trying to solve. This looks like a question of something that came up along the way... and possibly not the best/simplest/right way at that
• 577[02:51:58] <bmomjian> My actual problem is that I have this line as a microemacs macro: filter-buffer "(cat > /tmp/$$; ispell -x /tmp/$$; cat /tmp/$$; rm /tmp/$$)"
• 578[02:52:03] <bmomjian> sorry, you are right
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• 582[02:53:19] <bmomjian> so that is really odd is that when I run the editor as the login user, the macro works fine, but when run it using 'su bruce', it works fine. When I run the editor from inside Mutt, I get the tty error. Yeah, it is that confusing.
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• 588[02:54:28] <bmomjian> and mutt is running as 'su bruce', which is what got me started in that direction, but I now realize it is some Mutt issue, which seems very odd. I just upgraded from Squeeze to Jessie and the problem appeared. Had other problems, but those were all resolved in this channel. :-)
• 589[02:54:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh yikes. 3am.
• 590[02:54:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could have a look at the mutt changelog
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• 593[02:55:32] <bmomjian> I am in Seoul today. :-)
• 594[02:55:37] <mo1991reg> does anyone know of a way to get netflix working with chromium browser? Debian Jessie.
• 595[02:55:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> it seems an odd thing to run mutt inside "su", though
• 596[02:55:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> why would you ever do that
• 597[02:55:56] <markybob> mo1991reg: won't work. works on chrome
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• 600[02:56:55] <bmomjian> Ah, this is something: When I do '!' to get to a shell from Mutt I see this error: sh: 0: can't access tty; job control turned off, and then at the shell prompt if I type: echo test >/dev/tty I get: sh: 1: cannot create /dev/tty: No such device or address
• 601[02:57:33] <mo1991reg> markybob - that's what I thought from reading around. Why is that? Debian doesn't want to enable WideVine in Chromium?
• 602[02:57:54] <mo1991reg> or it just isn't packaged that way for some reason?
• 603[02:57:55] <markybob> mo1991reg: because chrome comes with a closed source drm thing to make it work
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• 605[02:58:29] <markybob> mo1991reg: because debian can't package it.
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• 607[02:58:46] <bmomjian> Let me ask on Mutt, thanks.
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• 612[03:00:39] <mo1991reg> markybob - cool i figured it was something that was closed source to get it to work - wasn't sure. It seems chromium can be recompiled to include this, but if its not open source obviously debian won't include it by default
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• 619[03:02:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> markybob, you seem to know something on the topic... you might update the netflix factoid
• 620[03:02:43] <markybob> CutMeOwnThroat: okay. i will.
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• 622[03:03:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> thanks :)
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• 638[03:13:03] <RippyDippy> hey guys, I have my laptop setup perfectly and want to carry it over to my desktop now, any easy way to do so?
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• 655[03:22:38] <karlpinc> !tell RippyDippy about aptitude clone
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• 658[03:23:34] <karlpinc> RippyDippy: Of course you'd also need to copy selected config files in /etc/ (and possibly stuff in your home directory, and crontabs in /var/spool/cron (iirc) and so forth).
• 659[03:24:51] <RippyDippy> karlpinc: Thanks for the tip
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• 661[03:25:27] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Possibly look at the changelogs or some such in /usr/share/doc/mutt*/
• 662[03:26:32] <bmomjian> yes, I did and didn't see anything. I found I am calling mutt in a very complex way to change users and I am now researching if that is causing it. If I do a simple su bruce, then call mutt at the prompt, it works fine, so I am not suspecting the way my scripts are setup are causing some problem. Will report back if I find the cause.
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• 674[03:34:40] <D-rex> how do upgrade plasma in debian8 to kde plasma 5
• 675[03:35:01] <markybob> D-rex: you don't
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• 705[03:47:40] <karlpinc> bmomjian: The feel I have is that you're not connected to a tty, you're connected to a socket, so tty-ish things don't work. I can't say why this would have changed. Maybe because your kernel is newer. You might be able to poke it with a stick and use the commands chvt to create a new tty and deallocvt to get rid of the tty (vt) when you're done. (As an alternative to understanding what the hell happened.) I have no idea if the
• 706[03:47:40] <karlpinc> "make your own vt" approach is "easy" or not.
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• 710[03:48:38] <karlpinc> bmomjian: On the other hand, maybe a vt is just nuts.
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• 713[03:50:28] <bmomjian> true
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• 718[03:51:07] <karlpinc> bmomjian: FYI, there's an openvt command.
• 719[03:51:22] <doppelganger_br> some brazilian here?
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• 721[03:51:29] <karlpinc> !br
• 722[03:51:29] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
• 723[03:51:50] <bmomjian> oh, let me look at that in my research, thanks
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• 843[05:08:29] <agent_001> hi everyone
• 844[05:09:22] <agent_001> any advice on running any particular Debian release which would be compatible with an asus with hybrid graphics?
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• 846[05:10:03] <agent_001> right now using wheezy but I'm concerned about the security updates
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• 853[05:13:56] <somiaj> agent_001: wheezy still has support. But for desktop support it will end somewhat soon and you should consider upgrading to jessie
• 854[05:14:07] <somiaj> any reson you think your gprahics won't work in jessie?
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• 856[05:14:47] <agent_001> hmm actually I tried some weird distro shipped with latest kernel 4.x something, can't recall
• 857[05:14:59] <agent_001> tried to use acpi_call module without success
• 858[05:15:09] <agent_001> wheezy works wonders right now
• 859[05:16:18] <agent_001> this is a 1015PN, oldie netbook
• 860[05:16:27] <somiaj> jessie uses 3.16.
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• 862[05:16:45] <agent_001> is there anyway I can test the latest brank on wheezey?
• 863[05:16:45] <somiaj> but wheezy will only have support for about another year (maybe less)
• 864[05:16:48] <agent_001> backports or something?
• 865[05:17:08] <somiaj> agent_001: you should be able to get the 3.16 kernel from wheezy-backport
• 866[05:17:13] <somiaj> !wheezy-backports
• 867[05:17:13] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 868[05:17:14] <agent_001> actually is jessie sticks with 3.x it might still get support
• 869[05:17:28] <somiaj> agent_001: jessie is frozen, so it is stuck with 3.16
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• 871[05:18:16] <agent_001> that's cool, I should be able to extend it's life a little longer then :P
• 872[05:18:24] <agent_001> thanks for the heads up
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• 875[05:18:49] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
• 876[05:18:49] <dpkg> Similar to <squeeze-lts>, longer term support for wheezy will be provided by volunteers. Offers of help in the form of time or sponsorship are gratefully accepted. See replaced-url
• 877[05:19:10] <somiaj> agent_001: there will be wheezy-lts support, but it most likely won't support desktop/browsers, only server side stuff
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• 885[05:20:43] <agent_001> so I'm saving a good long time if a switch to Jessie and it works, until they go lts
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• 893[05:22:26] <somiaj> agent_001: jessie will be supported for about a year of stretches release which will be in about a year and half (give or take)
• 894[05:22:47] <somiaj> agent_001: so jessie has about 2-3 years more support
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• 898[05:24:59] <agent_001> that's why I love Debian!
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• 922[05:39:14] <beatdown> hahahHahahah hahaHahaha hahahHahahahaHahahahahah hahahHahahahha hahahaHahahahah haHa haha hahahHahahah hahaHahaha hahahHahahahaHahahahahah hahahHahahahha hahahaHahahahah haHa haha hahahHahahah hahaHahaha hahahHahahahaHahahahahah hahahHahahahha hahahaHahahahah haHa haha hahahHahahah hahaHahaha hahahHahahahaHahahahahah hahahHahahahha hahahaHahahahah haHa haha hahahHahahah hahaHahaha hahahHahahahaHahahahahah hahahHahahahha hahahaHahahahah haHa haha hahah
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• 927[05:40:14] <plasmoduck> Hmm
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• 937[05:44:03] <plasmoduck>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.3.0-1-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian stretch/sid ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.70GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.8GiB, 75.1% free ** Disk: Total: 2.0TiB, 77.6% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** Uptime: 1h
• 938[05:44:03] <plasmoduck> 19m 0s **
• 939[05:44:38] <plasmoduck> I found this computer by the side of the road
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• 941[05:45:07] <RippyDippy> Did it have debian already on it??
• 942[05:46:22] <crucialhead> when going to extensions.gnome.org, the page says We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled. See our troubleshooting entry for more information.
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• 949[05:49:50] <crucialhead> Is that because I am behind a firewall? I just installed Jessie gnome on this laptop and I dont have a cliue - is debian unable to use extensions.gnome.org?
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• 951[05:51:42] <plasmoduck> RippyDippy, nah I installed it
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• 963[06:00:46] <RippyDippy> plasmoduck: Either way I cant believe that was by the side of the raod
• 964[06:00:52] <RippyDippy> road*
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• 972[06:07:48] <Zipf> Hi there, i was here two days ago, asking for help. I had to change an PSU on my debian wheezy last week, since that vnstat command started to fail on me, with the "Segmentation Fault" issue. I did hardware tests during the last two days, (mem, processor and hd) and everything is fine, no errors. Than i learned how to run the gdb thing, and i got this:
• 973[06:08:07] <Zipf> replaced-url
• 974[06:08:31] <Zipf> anyone can help me try to fix it ? i really need those stats working
• 975[06:08:32] <karlpinc> crucialhead: I don't have specific information about gnome. Look for debian packages first. See replaced-url
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• 978[06:11:27] <karlpinc> Zipf: You can also look at pmacct for similar functionality. But, what did you do to test ram?
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• 980[06:12:37] <karlpinc> Zipf: ntop could be another choice.
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• 983[06:12:53] <Zipf> karlpinc hi, i've used hirens bootcd iso, and used memtest86 v4.20
• 984[06:13:13] <karlpinc> Zipf: How long did you run it?
• 985[06:13:34] <Zipf> karlpinc yes, i know about the ntop, the things is vnstat has all the bw usage since it was installed, ntop would start build the db from now one
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• 987[06:13:46] <Zipf> it took 8hours each slot
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• 989[06:14:04] <Delf> After grub, when the linux is booting I see a fail message but I can't read as I get lots of OK messages and then the gdm3 starts. Where can I see these messages?
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• 991[06:15:02] <karlpinc> Zipf: Sounds reasonable. You want to run it "a long time" to let everything get up to temperature. Perhaps you should try running "stress" and see if that does anything.
• 992[06:15:03] <cafuego> Delf: `dmesg`
• 993[06:15:15] <cafuego> Delf: or /var/log/boot(.log)
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• 995[06:15:24] <Delf> There's no such file
• 996[06:15:39] <cafuego> dmesg isn't a file, it's a command.
• 997[06:15:47] <cafuego> It outputs the kernel log buffer.
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• 999[06:16:12] <karlpinc> Delf: You can see some things in /var/log/messages, or /var/log/syslog. But to see what's put on the console you need to install bootlogd, and perhaps turn it on. (It didn't used to install turned on....)
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• 1001[06:16:38] <karlpinc> Delf: And yes, dmesg is helpful too.
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• 1005[06:17:54] <Zipf> karlpinc yes, well, i can do a longer test to be sure, i'll let it running tomorrow before leave for work, but let's supose even with the longer test, it won't find any issue, still is there a way to do anything to get that command back, of fix the segmentation fault issue ?
• 1006[06:18:09] <Delf> karlpinc: How do I turn it on? I used bootlogd when I was on previous versions of Debian. I'm on jessie now.
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• 1015[06:21:10] <Delf> It seems to be apparmor. I just removed it but there's a /etc/init.d/apparmor still lingering. Those don't get removed when one does apt remove package?
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• 1018[06:21:40] <cafuego> it's a config file, do a --purge
• 1019[06:21:55] <cafuego> the package should be in 'rc' state currently
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• 1031[06:28:30] <tablet> do nvidia cards run better on debian than amd cards
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• 1034[06:29:15] <cafuego> I think generally the proprietary nvidia drivers behave better than the proprietary amd ones.
• 1035[06:29:29] <cafuego> Well, that used to be the case a few years ago, anyway.
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• 1039[06:30:55] <slucx> hi, there. I want to remove gnome3 on my debian, and how?
• 1040[06:31:08] <slucx> all the gnome3.
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• 1057[06:37:36] <jmcnaught> slucx: if i were going to remove gnome, i would start by asking aptitude to remove gnome meta packages like task-gnome-desktop, gnome, gnome-core (however you installed it in the first place), and *carefully* reviewing the proposed list of stuff it will remove to make sure it doesn't remove too much.
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• 1068[06:39:32] <MaBunny> what is the name of this game in the repos : -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you.
• 1069[06:39:43] <MaBunny> shit
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• 1071[06:39:50] <MaBunny> wait
• 1072[06:40:08] <MaBunny> whats the name of this game in the repos : replaced-url
• 1073[06:40:24] <MaBunny> the name is eternal lands
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• 1075[06:41:35] <Lope> when I run fdisk -l and it shows me the number of blocks in each partition... how big is a block? above that it says "units = sectors of 1*512 bytes"
• 1076[06:41:50] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it might not be in Debian, not every single free software is available as a package in Debian
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• 1079[06:42:17] <Lope> if I assume a block is 512 bytes, that doesn't agree with what `df -m` says
• 1080[06:42:17] <MaBunny> yes,but i installed the playdeb package
• 1081[06:42:32] <MaBunny> hav any of you guys played this game b4?
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• 1084[06:43:28] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: playdeb is not part of Debian, but they might have their own support channel
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• 1089[06:46:23] <jmcnaught> Lope: the "stat" command will show block size for a filesystem
• 1090[06:46:47] <Lope> okay I guess it's 1KiB. next question, how can you see the size of a filesystem?
• 1091[06:46:54] <Lope> jmcnaught: thanks, okay I'll try that
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• 1099[06:50:21] <cafuego> Lope: `df` should show you
• 1100[06:50:39] <Lope> how can I specify the partition for DF?
• 1101[06:52:32] <Lope> okay I see now
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• 1107[06:55:56] <plasmoduck> Guys please take a look at this, my clock in the gnome top bar is stuffed, it's missing a space between the hour and the :
• 1108[06:55:59] <plasmoduck> replaced-url
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• 1112[06:56:54] <somiaj> plasmoduck: might be the font, can you click on the clock app and configure it?
• 1113[06:57:07] <plasmoduck> Nope
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• 1115[06:57:28] <plasmoduck> Yeah I changed my system font to Lucida Grande
• 1116[06:57:32] <arbiter> hahaha
• 1117[06:57:36] <arbiter> hi guys im drunkkkk
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• 1120[06:57:56] <plasmoduck> meoreplaced-url
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• 1122[06:58:00] <MaBunny> im smoking
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• 1124[06:58:07] <MaBunny> ouureplaced-url
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• 1134[07:00:32] <wheezyPUP> to me that clock was displayed correctly 04:53 or whatever it was
• 1135[07:00:43] <r6ku> plasmoduck: err, you did remember to use monospace fonts instead of sans right?
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• 1138[07:01:37] <MaBunny> so you guys hav played a good strategy game in debian?
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• 1140[07:02:10] <r6ku> MaBunny: there's a couple of them like freeciv, freeorion etc.
• 1141[07:02:11] <MaBunny> except freeciv,freecol
• 1142[07:02:26] <plasmoduck> r6ku, for what?
• 1143[07:02:39] <plasmoduck> Lucidia Grande is kinda monospace
• 1144[07:02:48] <MaBunny> freeorion wont work,it needs opengl 2.0 and higher ,right?
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• 1147[07:03:44] <MaBunny> r6ku: can you give me more names,pls
• 1148[07:03:45] <r6ku> MaBunny: check games-strategy metapackage
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• 1153[07:04:40] <MaBunny> through synaptic?
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• 1155[07:05:27] <r6ku> MaBunny: yeah, the package has a list of strategy games
• 1156[07:05:42] <MaBunny> ok
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• 1163[07:07:27] <Betal> what can make python3 be SLOW to start on debian 7, and lagged to execute scripts, while python2 and other commands are fast, this inside a chroot jail
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• 1165[07:08:13] <somiaj> Betal: can you tell python to give you a more detailed trace to see where it is lagging. Maybe it is something to do with enviorment variables or the virtual python enviorment
• 1166[07:08:45] <themill> Betal: python3 is certainly better in jessie than it was in wheezy
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• 1169[07:09:17] <themill> (in terms of it being a more mature environment and the interpreter also being faster -- not so you'd notice it to casual observation though)
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• 1173[07:13:47] <Betal> somiaj: it taking like 1 min to just "python3" on console
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• 1175[07:14:37] <somiaj> Betal: try python3 -v [do you se it lag anywhere?]
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• 1177[07:16:10] <Betal> somiaj: yes, (still running), about 1 min already
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• 1181[07:17:03] <themill> eek
• 1182[07:17:09] <somiaj> Betal: do you see anyout put on where it is stopped? Or does it lag for a while then spit out all of the initilization?
• 1183[07:17:44] <Betal> now I see, many permission problems "could not create" ...
• 1184[07:18:24] <themill> would be good to see that in a pastebin
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• 1189[07:21:45] <Betal> somiaj / themill: replaced-url
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• 1192[07:23:13] <themill> Betal: that's not python3 from the debian package -- if you want python3.4 then perhaps upgrading to jessie would be sensible.
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• 1196[07:24:01] <themill> It's trying to bytecompile a stack of stdlib every time you execute the interpreter. That shouldn't take minutes but it's going to take time very easily
• 1197[07:24:03] <plasmoduck> Is it possible to have a VPN relay connection, like from my computer connect to my vpn then from that vpn to another vpn and to another? So I am going through 3 VPNs extra security? Or not possible or no benefit?
• 1198[07:25:15] <TomTomTosch> plasmoduck, for what, laundering money? :P
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• 1397[09:10:35] <towo^work> Guest97008, use windows, then it works
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• 1437[09:29:08] <themill> you would ideally end up with the same thing
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• 1441[09:29:58] <themill> there can be some pain in fixing up config files for the upgrade but only where you have edited them and they change in awkward ways; you'd have that pain on a fresh install too
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• 1443[09:30:11] <Lope> yeah, it's on a remote raspberry pi :)
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• 1445[09:30:49] <themill> it's not going to be a fast process with that IO speed
• 1446[09:31:09] <themill> also, is it actually debian or is it raspbian?
• 1447[09:31:09] <oss__> hi
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• 1449[09:31:24] <Lope> themill: much of a muchness, but it's raspbian.
• 1450[09:31:29] <oss__> missing 'Audio Hardware Setup' tab for Phonon
• 1451[09:31:38] <Lope> I've done the wheezy>jessie upgrade on the RbPi. took about a day.
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• 1453[09:31:53] <themill> Lope: not necessarily. There are lots of package differences. Please seek help for raspbian in #raspbian.
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• 1455[09:32:01] <oss__> and 2.4g wireless headset does not work on debian
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• 1457[09:32:20] <Lope> The only caveat is this one is VERY remote, I've got unskilled remote hands who can swap a SD card for me, that's it.
• 1458[09:32:26] <rozie> oss__: missing firmware probably
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• 1461[09:32:56] <oss__> rozie, how to install it
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• 1466[09:33:22] <rozie> oss__: try searching on wiki.debian.org
• 1467[09:33:35] <Guest97008> How do you set compiler flags
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• 1470[09:33:58] <Cloudwalker42> Hello
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• 1472[09:34:25] <TomTomTosch> Guest97008, you add them to the existing ones in the makefile probably.
• 1473[09:34:35] <Guest97008> is it like gentoo
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• 1475[09:34:47] <TomTomTosch> don't know.
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• 1478[09:35:59] <themill> Guest97008: what are you trying to achieve?
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• 1480[09:36:53] <Guest97008> I need to add a firmware driver for the touch pad
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• 1491[09:45:34] <oss__> rozie, usb headset does not work yet!!!
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• 1503[09:50:55] <oss__> missing 'Audio Hardware Setup' tab for Phonon
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• 1506[09:51:11] <simonpatapon> hi
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• 1521[09:55:16] <simonpatapon> SID just passed to xorg 1.18
• 1522[09:55:23] <simonpatapon> broke my xrandr
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• 1524[09:55:33] <nkuttler> !tell simonpatapon about debian-next
• 1525[09:55:36] <simonpatapon> I cant see in synaptic how to go back
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• 1551[10:01:34] <Guest97008> can you run debian with 16gb ram
• 1552[10:01:56] <slax0r> why could you not?
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• 1555[10:02:15] <Guest97008> I herd you need a good computer to run debian
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• 1557[10:02:29] <r6ku> Guest97008: this again?
• 1558[10:02:38] <slax0r> known troll?
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• 1563[10:03:42] <r6ku> slax0r: troll? not sure, I'm pretty sure he asked the same question a while ago
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• 1568[10:05:19] <r6ku> irc never forgets
• 1569[10:05:35] <slax0r> irc == elephant?
• 1570[10:05:41] <oss_> 'Audio Hardware Setup' tab was back but headset does not work yet
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• 1607[10:25:24] <mms_> I did apt-get dist-upgrade and while it was done fetching and doing unpacking etc. the screen is not sort of like lock screen showing datetime and user name on top and if I move mouse I see some flicker of that lock screen. how to know whats going on ?
• 1608[10:25:40] <mms_> s/not/now
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• 1618[10:28:19] <mms_> I am doing upgrade to jessie
• 1619[10:28:52] <mms_> it all dark screen actually
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• 1658[10:45:28] <oss_> please help me to fix sound problem
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• 1666[10:48:36] <mms_> its come back now
• 1667[10:48:46] <mms_> not sure may be package upgrade caused it ?
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• 1671[10:49:22] <p3rs3us> hey guys, is there a way of making changes to the screen(s) position with xrandr permanent. At the moment every time I reboot the machine, the screens go back to their original places.
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• 1673[10:49:32] <mimo48> ciao a tutti
• 1674[10:49:39] <mimo48> !list
• 1675[10:49:39] <dpkg> mimo48: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 1678[10:50:39] <rozie> oss_: you didn't provide any detail. we don't know what is your hardware, problem, configuration and what you tried to do already
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• 1682[10:51:11] <themill> it'd be handy to know what sound drivers and sound system is involved too
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• 1685[10:51:58] <ruvesh> hello
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• 1687[10:52:12] <ychaouchefromdow> Hello #debian
• 1688[10:52:40] <ychaouchefromdow> I need some help installing non-free firmwares for my NIC
• 1689[10:52:54] <ychaouchefromdow> I found the non-free firmware here : replaced-url
• 1690[10:53:01] <ychaouchefromdow> but it's in source format
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• 1692[10:53:27] <markybob_> ychaouchefromdow: clean install?
• 1693[10:53:46] <ychaouchefromdow> markybob_, yep
• 1694[10:53:51] <ychaouchefromdow> vanilla debian 8.3
• 1695[10:53:54] <themill> ychaouchefromdow: what's wrong with the download link?
• 1696[10:53:55] <markybob_> ychaouchefromdow: use replaced-url
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• 1698[10:54:44] <ychaouchefromdow> themill, nothing, it's just source and I don't know what to do with it or how to build it or even how to generate the makefile(s) ?
• 1699[10:55:10] <themill> ychaouchefromdow: no, the download link is to a .deb
• 1700[10:55:33] <ruvesh> download in .deb extension
• 1701[10:56:04] <themill> ychaouchefromdow: replaced-url
• 1702[10:56:06] <ychaouchefromdow> themill, oh sorry didn't see that ! I have to click on all ?
• 1703[10:56:18] <ychaouchefromdow> thanks themill
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• 1706[10:56:29] <themill> ychaouchefromdow: it's the same package for all architectures, yes
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• 1711[10:58:04] <ychaouchefromdow> markybob_, in case I have problems with .deb, what I do after downloading the iso file ?
• 1712[10:58:53] <markybob_> ychaouchefromdow: it's a full installer. so just cp it to your usb if that's what you're using. cp foo.deb /dev/sdX and reboot
• 1713[10:58:54] <ruvesh> ychaouche extract or run that iso file
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• 1717[10:59:39] <themill> ruvesh: no, you neither extract nor run an iso image.
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• 1719[11:00:07] <ruvesh> mill than wht to do ??
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• 1721[11:00:20] <markybob_> ruvesh: i already said what to do
• 1722[11:00:27] <ychaouchefromdow> Is it a modified debian install or just a firmware install ?
• 1723[11:00:44] <markybob_> ychaouchefromdow: modified debian installer with firmwares included
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• 1726[11:01:10] <themill> ychaouchefromdow: the installer is identical, the image just contains the firmware packages so they don't need to be downloaded.
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• 1728[11:01:13] <ychaouchefromdow> markybob_, oh ok. Just so I know. Then I'll try the .deb first and if that doesn't work I'll reinstall.
• 1729[11:01:53] <ychaouchefromdow> themill, now I know, I was just reading about it and got a little bit discouraged to make my own modified debian installer and reinstall again.
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• 1731[11:02:12] <ychaouchefromdow> I was reading about it here replaced-url
• 1732[11:02:26] <ychaouchefromdow> afk
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• 1737[11:02:51] <oss_> rozie, what information or configurations are you need?
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• 1740[11:03:26] <jaggzt> are we going to get python 3.5 in debian stable?
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• 1746[11:04:27] <markybob_> jaggzt: not in jessie, no
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• 1748[11:04:35] <themill> dpkg: tell jaggzt about stable
• 1749[11:04:56] <jaggzt> right.. okay thanks :)
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• 1757[11:05:59] <jaggzt> what's a recommended way to get python3.5 into my debian here?
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• 1761[11:06:45] <markybob_> jaggzt: the recommendation for jessie is dont
• 1762[11:07:07] <jaggzt> just for this one project.. maybe I can install it in opt/ or something
• 1763[11:07:54] <jaggzt> ahh.. replaced-url
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• 1765[11:08:10] <jaggzt> cool.. but .. now it's time to go .. 2am.. family needs me.. bed has been calling for hours
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• 1767[11:08:20] <jaggzt> gnight markybob_ and themill .. thanks as usual
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• 1770[11:08:58] <themill> jaggzt: don't follow the advice. It's incredibly poor advice that will break things.
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• 1772[11:09:18] <TomTomTosch> i would be careful with the sudo make install.
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• 1774[11:09:34] <themill> and breaking every single python2 application on your machine
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• 1777[11:10:35] <jaggzt> bleh
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• 1779[11:10:52] <jaggzt> okay.. need to rest.. maybe I'll work on this tomorrow.. maybe I'll go to testing or something
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• 1781[11:11:27] <is_null> hi all, docker fails to start containers because Timed out waiting for device sys-subsystem-net-devices-we5etks01nni-0.device. any tip please ? I can't even find the systemd device file on the FS for that ^^
• 1782[11:11:28] <themill> or re-evaluate whether you really need blender 2.76
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• 1784[11:11:58] <TomTomTosch> 2.74 is in jessie-backports. prob good enough.
• 1785[11:12:08] <oss_> headset hardware: 2.4G wireless headset
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• 1790[11:14:29] <TomTomTosch> jaggzt, you can prob just move the python interpreter to /opt and create a python virtualenv for blender. i really would not run the install script.
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• 1830[11:29:07] <Attila> hello, are the currently available 8.3 network install images vulnerable to CVE-2015-7547? if so, what’s the suggested way to ensure the installer won’t get compromised when doing dns lookups to connect to mirrors, etc?
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• 1832[11:29:55] <markybob> Attila: yes they're affected. yes.
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• 1875[11:52:43] <ychaouchefromdow> so I installed the firmware it seems to work ok, except I can't the machine to ping anything else than itself ?
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• 1877[11:53:21] <ychaouchefromdow> Here's what I tried : ip addr add 10.10.10.20/24 dev eth0
• 1878[11:53:35] <ychaouchefromdow> then : route add default gw 10.10.10.10
• 1879[11:53:58] <ychaouchefromdow> then : ping 10.10.10.10; and it said : destination host unreachable
• 1880[11:54:13] <ychaouchefromdow> I looked in the syslog to make sure that it was eth0 that had a link
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• 1882[11:54:23] <ychaouchefromdow> (I have four NICs in all)
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• 1884[11:55:17] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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• 1886[11:55:29] <bitch_ass> Hi
• 1887[11:55:38] <bitch_ass> How can I burn an iso to a stick via dd faster?
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• 1889[11:55:55] <bitch_ass> Currently I only know of dd if=*iso of=/dev/sdX
• 1890[11:55:56] <themill> use cp
• 1891[11:55:58] <bitch_ass> ?
• 1892[11:56:01] <bitch_ass> Seriously?
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• 1894[11:56:16] <themill> as documented
• 1895[11:56:19] <Attila> markybob_: okay, any ideas how to fix the issue in the installer?
• 1896[11:56:21] <bitch_ass> I mean there are isos that can be burnt to a stick using that command but will that work in most cases?
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• 1898[11:56:39] <bitch_ass> themill: What is the command exactly then?
• 1899[11:56:54] <bitch_ass> Just replace dd with cp?
• 1900[11:57:00] <themill> bitch_ass: both dd and cp just move bytes around; cp foo.iso /dev/sdX
• 1901[11:57:25] <bitch_ass> themill: Are there big advantages of using cp over dd or some sort?
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• 1903[11:57:45] <themill> simpler command that fewer people get wrong; better performance without fiddling
• 1904[11:58:13] <bitch_ass> themill: Uhhh what?!
• 1905[11:58:17] <bitch_ass> Gah!
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• 1907[11:59:11] <themill> The install guide has never listed 'dd' as a way to put the image onto a usb stick. fiik why that one is so hard to shift
• 1908[11:59:24] <bitch_ass> AH
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• 1911[11:59:42] <TomTomTosch> bitch_ass, what he said. cp configures the bytes copied at a time automatically, thus better performance without fiddling.
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• 1917[12:02:02] <TomTomTosch> i wonder why dd got so popular for this x)
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• 1922[12:03:57] <xt3r> Hello robin_debspace
• 1923[12:04:05] <xt3r> good bye Rn86
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• 1927[12:04:45] <lichenx1> is this the wrong place to ask if anyone uses mx15?
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• 1929[12:05:08] <catbeard> is there a recommended sysctl.conf for debian for mumble traffic
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• 1982[12:24:14] <bitch_ass> What's the safest and best audio format?
• 1983[12:24:33] <bitch_ass> Is it flac?
• 1984[12:24:37] <themill> you might need to define safe and best.
• 1985[12:24:42] <bitch_ass> I want to copy files to my Android and play it with VLC.
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• 1987[12:25:12] <bitch_ass> Uhm I believe in Free Software so hopefully there's something as good as the best audio formats out there and at the same time it should be safe.
• 1988[12:25:14] <bitch_ass> Sorry newbie here.
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• 1990[12:25:23] <syntroPi> ogg maybe?
• 1991[12:25:28] <bitch_ass> Hmmm
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• 1993[12:25:44] <bitch_ass> How do I convert a mkv to ogg via cli?
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• 1997[12:26:50] <syntroPi> avconv/ffmpeg or mencoder maybe?
• 1998[12:26:53] <themill> I have no idea how an audio format is safe or unsafe. There are so many different criteria for "best" that it's not a question that's going to have an answer without some further criteria like size or fidelity or portability or ....
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• 2000[12:27:34] <syntroPi> also you might want to consider if you ever want to be able to use it on other devices, so aac (apple) or the good old mp3 might also not be too bad
• 2001[12:28:01] <bitch_ass> syntroPi: mp3 sucks
• 2002[12:28:06] <syntroPi> mediainfo is a good tool to look inside media files for metadata btw
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• 2004[12:28:38] <bitch_ass> syntroPi: I could just use mat on an audio file right?
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• 2006[12:29:40] <bitch_ass> I could use oggconvert right?
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• 2008[12:30:36] <humbot> only between wav and ogg i think
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• 2010[12:30:59] <bitch_ass> oggconvert does not work on mkv
• 2011[12:31:06] <bitch_ass> I mean it can't convert mkvs to ogg
• 2012[12:31:09] <bitch_ass> -_-
• 2013[12:31:13] <bitch_ass> Thank god for VLC!
• 2014[12:31:16] <bitch_ass> Converting it now
• 2015[12:31:22] <humbot> isn't mkv a video format?
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• 2017[12:32:15] <syntroPi> btw opus is the most efficient codec nowerdays i think
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• 2021[12:32:57] <syntroPi> its an audio codec
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• 2058[12:48:57] <__marco> What does the '+dfsg-n' at the end of a package's version mean?
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• 2063[12:49:35] <r6ku> !dfsg
• 2064[12:49:35] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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• 2068[12:50:53] <__marco> r6ku: how it is related to replaced-url
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• 2076[12:54:17] <r6ku> __marco: is this what you're looking for? replaced-url
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• 2079[12:57:00] <__marco> r6ku: yes, thanks a lot.
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• 2124[13:15:15] <Iridos> hm, why is there no git/cvs/darcs/whatever revision control system for aptitude?
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• 2127[13:15:50] <Iridos> oh, there it is, on the next page
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• 2187[13:45:01] <hiya> anyone else getting secure connection failed in Iceweasel?
• 2188[13:45:07] <hiya> for the above link?
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• 2192[13:46:41] <TomTomTosch> hiya, no x)
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• 2196[13:47:49] <hiya> TomTomTosch, Are you able to open?
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• 2198[13:48:01] <hiya> TomTomTosch, How do I completely reset my Iceweasel?
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• 2203[13:49:39] <fireba11> hiya: just delte the folder in your user profile
• 2204[13:49:48] <TomTomTosch> hiya, you can purge and reinstall i guess. what version does dpkg -l iceweasel tell?
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• 2206[13:51:13] <hiya> fireba11, .iceweasel?
• 2207[13:51:16] <hiya> TomTomTosch, 38?
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• 2210[13:52:11] <hiya> fireba11, there is only a folder called .mozilla?
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• 2213[13:53:04] <fireba11> hiya: not quite sure what the debian project named the profile filder when renaming the applikation to iceweasel but .mozilla is very likely. make a backup :-D
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• 2216[13:54:56] <hiya> fireba11, So it is do at your own risk project?
• 2217[13:54:58] <hiya> :P
• 2218[13:57:02] <ws2k3> which partition table type does debian use msdos? gpt?
• 2219[13:57:20] <hiya> fireba11, I guess it did it
• 2220[13:58:07] <ws2k3> the problem im facing is i cloned a partition from one disk to another but the new disk is not able to boot
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• 2222[13:59:02] <digitalb_> ws2k3 I think it depends on the type of system (BIOS / UEFI based)
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• 2224[13:59:41] <ws2k3> digitalb_ its a vm(xenserver)
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• 2233[14:01:46] <digitalb_> ws2k3 Try with fdisk /dev/sdX (where X could be a,b,c..) then use the 'p' option to print the partition table
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• 2237[14:04:21] <digitalb_> ws2k3 replaced-url
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• 2251[14:08:23] <JyZyXEL> kernel: [2654480.525594] NFS: state manager: check lease failed on NFSv4 server ha with error 13
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• 2256[14:08:51] <JyZyXEL> when i close down one of my machines i start getting NFS spam immediately
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• 2262[14:10:06] <ws2k3> digilink i tryed to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc from the rescue disk but that didnt fix it
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• 2340[14:35:07] <zwarag> I marked a lot of things in aptitude and would like to undo the markings. Any Idea how?
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• 2345[14:37:55] <joze> Actions -> Cancel pending actions
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• 2347[14:38:28] <zwarag> ahh, thank you joze!
• 2348[14:38:30] <mms_> on my netbook I dist-ugrade to jessie and it gives blank screen so had to boot into wheezy again. how to troubleshoot ?
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• 2351[14:39:08] <mms_> it was day long process just to dist-upgrade almost 8 hours
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• 2368[14:50:09] <mms_> my vga graphics card from lspci shows Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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• 2392[15:01:49] <mms_> here id /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old - jessie blank screen - replaced-url
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• 2394[15:02:39] <hiya> why does Iceweasel give a lot of certificate error?
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• 2408[15:08:16] <colo-work> does Jessie's qemu build impose a limitation on allocatable guest RAM/main memory?
• 2409[15:08:22] <hiya> Iceweasel showing me Certificate not trusted
• 2410[15:08:30] <hiya> for a site
• 2411[15:08:38] <hiya> but it is valid cert yet
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• 2413[15:08:40] <grawity> hiya: maybe the cert isn't trusted
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• 2415[15:08:47] <grawity> hiya: what site is it, and what cert does it show for you?
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• 2417[15:08:52] <hiya> replaced-url
• 2418[15:08:59] <hiya> grawity, ^
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• 2421[15:09:50] <grawity> it doesn't send the correct certificate chain
• 2422[15:10:17] <hiya> grawity, so you get the error too?
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• 2426[15:11:13] <grawity> I have other ways of checking replaced-url
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• 2430[15:12:18] <hiya> grawity, cute theme which one is it?
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• 2432[15:12:32] <hiya> So I think it is completely buggy
• 2433[15:12:37] <hiya> I would inform them
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• 2435[15:13:14] <grawity> there's no bug, the web server is just not configured correctly
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• 2440[15:13:59] <hiya> grawity, they have a lot of issues :( Which CA is used by them?
• 2441[15:14:02] <hiya> can you tell?
• 2442[15:14:12] <grawity> RapidSSL, it says
• 2443[15:14:21] <hiya> ok got it
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• 2445[15:14:37] <grawity> they need to include the "chain" or "intermediate" certificates, basically.
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• 2447[15:14:40] <hiya> Also which theme do you use?
• 2448[15:14:44] <hiya> looks nice
• 2449[15:14:46] <hiya> Gnome?
• 2450[15:14:55] <grawity> it's just the default gnome3 theme
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• 2453[15:15:44] <mooncheese> Hi what is the quickest way to install a debian headless server. I am not seeing a specific server iso on the downloads page?
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• 2455[15:15:49] <hiya> grawity, Dark theme?
• 2456[15:15:56] <grawity> hiya: yes
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• 2460[15:16:30] <TomTomTosch> mooncheese, during install you can just not select a DE.
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• 2462[15:16:47] <mooncheese> in the past I just downloaded the netinstall and then used that but I wanted to pre download just what is needed for the server this time.
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• 2464[15:16:59] <grawity> just download the cd #1 then?
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• 2466[15:17:35] <mooncheese> ok I guess that will have to do. Would be nice if we had much smaller image just for server.
• 2467[15:17:48] <abrotman> mooncheese: we don't know what your server will be doing, we can't tell you what to download
• 2468[15:17:48] <TomTomTosch> but that's the netinstall.
• 2469[15:18:05] <hiya> grawity, gnutls-bin?
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• 2471[15:18:15] <grawity> yes
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• 2473[15:18:40] <hiya> thanks
• 2474[15:18:41] <hiya> :D
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• 2476[15:19:26] <hiya> Processed 174 CA certificate(s).
• 2477[15:19:27] <hiya> grawity, ^
• 2478[15:19:27] <hiya> you have more?
• 2479[15:19:27] <hiya> how come?
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• 2484[15:19:51] <hiya> I only have 174
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• 2486[15:20:49] <mooncheese> abrotman: My server will just run sshd
• 2487[15:21:18] <grawity> hiya: I have some custom CAs installed
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• 2490[15:22:43] <grawity> hiya: but for most certificates, it's not just "webserver -> CA", it's usually "webserver -> intermediate CA -> root CA"
• 2491[15:23:09] <hiya> ok
• 2492[15:23:10] <grawity> hiya: so if the webserver doesn't send the correct intermediates, clients can't know how to link the webserver's cert with the root CA, even if it's installed
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• 2495[15:23:24] <grawity> and I'm sure it's installed just fine on your system
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• 2499[15:24:49] <hiya> grawity, the problem is, I could just use their site fine until yesterday and other guys on Firefox on other platforms can also use it just fine, whatever problem is, with this Iceweasel only
• 2500[15:25:00] * mooncheese .
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• 2502[15:25:44] <grawity> hiya: some browsers have intermediate CAs preinstalled, or sometimes only cached
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• 2505[15:26:19] <Plush-Teddy> Firefox (Iceweasel) comes with his own pre-installed CA database
• 2506[15:26:22] <grawity> hiya: can you test replaced-url
• 2507[15:26:44] <hiya> Plush-Teddy, really man?
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• 2509[15:26:50] <Plush-Teddy> Yes
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• 2513[15:27:35] <hiya> grawity, it works
• 2514[15:27:39] <hiya> both with gnutls-cli and browser
• 2515[15:27:44] <Plush-Teddy> replaced-url
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• 2517[15:27:48] <grawity> well then your browesr isn't the problem
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• 2519[15:28:10] <grawity> the thing Plush-Teddy mentioned is the *root* certificate database
• 2520[15:28:16] <Plush-Teddy> Yes
• 2521[15:28:27] <Plush-Teddy> The certificate authorities
• 2522[15:28:33] <Plush-Teddy> who issues certificates
• 2523[15:28:39] <grawity> Plush-Teddy: there are other kinds of certificate authorities though
• 2524[15:28:50] <Plush-Teddy> sure
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• 2529[15:31:10] <hiya> Plush-Teddy, grawity omg guys, Firefox is cheating people
• 2530[15:31:18] <grawity> wut
• 2531[15:31:18] <hiya> it is not telling them about untrusted certs
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• 2534[15:31:39] <hiya> that site is being regarded as trusted by Firefox
• 2535[15:31:49] <grawity> and...?
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• 2537[15:31:56] <hiya> it should not be?
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• 2539[15:32:03] <hiya> it is scandalous type of error
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• 2541[15:33:17] <grawity> what are you on about
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• 2547[15:33:53] <grawity> you visited another site using RapidSSL yesterday, Firefox stored the intermediate certs it saw, and now it uses the stored certs to complete the chain for replaced-url
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• 2549[15:34:55] <grawity> visit replaced-url
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• 2564[15:38:31] <Shadow_7> I'm getting gpio flood + disabling messages in kern.log which appears to be disabling my HDMI out on my hp stream 11. --- byt_gpio INT33FC:02: Gpio 7 interrupt flood, disabling ---
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• 2568[15:40:11] <Shadow_7> one in ten reboots and the monitor works, sometimes booting with the monitor off and turning on then physically replugging the HDMI to DVI adapter works. Perhaps the monitor is about to die, idk. Normally I don't reboot except every 3-ish weeks.
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• 2577[15:43:03] <karlpinc> Shadow_7: It never fixes anything but you might consider blowing the dust out of the equipment.
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• 2581[15:44:22] <karlpinc> Replacing cables, or at least being sure they're plugged in....
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• 2585[15:45:06] <Shadow_7> replacing cable might be worth a shot. The fail is basically no signal input.
• 2586[15:45:28] <Shadow_7> (stupid $30 cables)
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• 2593[15:49:26] <Shadow_7> And cable it is. I wonder if Frys cables have a lifetime warranty?
• 2594[15:49:51] <abrotman> Shadow_7: look for BIOS updates also
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• 2596[15:50:17] <Shadow_7> Switching to the 20' cable I got from circuit city's liquidation worked.
• 2597[15:50:33] <Shadow_7> Seems the failed cable is from Radio Shack... *sigh*
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• 2612[15:54:45] <Shadow_7> tail -n 200 | grep -i gpio ... had no hits after reboot, so good now I guess. Thanks
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• 2615[15:54:58] <Shadow_7> of /var/log/kern.log
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• 2628[16:01:03] <Deele> I have a specific script, that I need to run through command line. I need some way to run my script again, right after previous script has finished or have been running for too long (1 minute timeout, I guess). How should I do this?
• 2629[16:01:15] <awal1> So there are no grub logs?
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• 2633[16:01:46] <Deele> I need to run same script again and again
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• 2642[16:06:26] <Amun_Ra> Deele: while true; do /path/to/script; done
• 2643[16:06:40] <Deele> how do I interrput it?
• 2644[16:06:50] <Deele> and implement timeout?
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• 2646[16:07:06] <Amun_Ra> that wasn't specified in original question
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• 2650[16:07:39] <Amun_Ra> Deele: echo $$ >> /run/script.pid; while true; do /path/to/script; done
• 2651[16:07:39] <Brigo> awal1, there is no accest to disk in grub stage.
• 2652[16:07:43] <Deele> Amun_Ra, it was - "...or have been running for too long (1 minute timeout, I guess)"
• 2653[16:08:24] <Amun_Ra> oh, right
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• 2656[16:08:36] <Amun_Ra> so my example doesn't apply
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• 2658[16:08:55] <ws2k3> is there a libevent1-dev for wheezy?
• 2659[16:09:19] <Amun_Ra> Deele: man timeout
• 2660[16:09:49] <Amun_Ra> Deele: combine this with a loop
• 2661[16:10:08] <Deele> Amun_Ra, sorry for dumb question, I'm newbie with scripting in shell
• 2662[16:10:11] <awal1> Brigo, ok. So no way for find errors and/or messages displayed during grub load/execution, eh?
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• 2665[16:10:37] <Amun_Ra> Deele: you have nothing to sorry about :>
• 2666[16:11:15] <Brigo> awal1, during execution maybe there is a debug mode or so, later no.
• 2667[16:11:16] <Amun_Ra> yeah, I know it shouldn't be "about" here
• 2668[16:11:28] <awal1> Brigo, ok
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• 2671[16:12:58] <ws2k3> is there a libevent1-dev for wheezy?
• 2672[16:13:06] <Deele> Amun_Ra, should I add timeout 1m before or after 'do'?
• 2673[16:13:25] <Amun_Ra> Deele: you should run timeout inside loop, right after do
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• 2675[16:14:05] <Deele> Amun_Ra, how do i stop it?
• 2676[16:14:26] <TomTomTosch> ws2k3, there is a libevent-dev (2.0.19). is it not compatible with what you are trying to do?
• 2677[16:14:46] <ws2k3> TomTomTosch no its not compatible i need 1 repcached requeres it
• 2678[16:14:51] <Amun_Ra> Deele: you have process id in /run/script.pid; just kill $(cat /run/script.pid)
• 2679[16:15:13] <Shadow_7> Deele: control + C or kill
• 2680[16:15:38] <Deele> ctrl + c does not interrupt
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• 2682[16:16:10] <Shadow_7> Deele: you have to spam it. Since you have to stop the script, and the loop
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• 2684[16:16:45] <Deele> Shadow_7, seems like too late, I had to disconnect from ssh
• 2685[16:16:45] <Amun_Ra> press ^C and keep it that way
• 2686[16:16:47] <Shadow_7> Deele: helps if you do a ; sleep 1 ; after the script to make it more human achievable
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• 2688[16:17:18] <Amun_Ra> mhm
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• 2690[16:18:29] <Deele> I need it to wait for script to finish OR timeout, before starting script once again
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• 2701[16:21:15] <Shadow_7> Deele: depends on the script... if it grabs stuff and locks it... and other things
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• 2706[16:22:02] <Shadow_7> Deele: you could also use atd or cron to run the script if you don't need to spam it as fast as possible
• 2707[16:22:13] <Deele> my script does a bunch of stuff, it runs for about 10 - 30 seconds
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• 2710[16:22:27] <Deele> I do not need to spam it
• 2711[16:22:41] <Deele> and currently, I was unable to create reliable cron solution
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• 2714[16:22:51] <Amun_Ra> you can specify timeout using -n option
• 2715[16:22:55] <Deele> I made so that it starts script every 15 seconds with sleep
• 2716[16:23:05] <Deele> but in the end, script died
• 2717[16:23:11] <Deele> and could not properly execute
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• 2722[16:24:43] <TomTomTosch> maybe you already mentioned it, but there is a timeout command in coreutils.
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• 2724[16:25:11] <Amun_Ra> yes
• 2725[16:25:13] <TomTomTosch> so you could build a wrapper for your script that calls your script in a loop with timeout.
• 2726[16:25:59] <Deele> ok, how do
• 2727[16:26:07] <Deele> *how do I do it?
• 2728[16:26:09] <Amun_Ra> look at my example
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• 2730[16:26:42] <Deele> looking
• 2731[16:26:44] <TomTomTosch> sry. i only skimmed your conversation.
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• 2733[16:27:14] <Amun_Ra> Deele: while true; do timeout -n 60s script.sh; sleep 1; done
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• 2738[16:28:50] <Deele> Amun_Ra, will it "spam" that script again?
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• 2741[16:29:31] <Che-Anarc> What is `escript` or which package would I need to install to obtain it?
• 2742[16:29:56] <Amun_Ra> Deele: it'll rerun the script after it finishes or run for more that given time
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• 2747[16:31:47] <Amun_Ra> Che-Anarc: you can check that using apt-file; it's erlang-base
• 2748[16:31:52] <Deele> Amun_Ra, seems legit, at least looks like it is coole
• 2749[16:31:56] <Deele> cool*
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• 2752[16:32:48] <Che-Anarc> Amun_Ra, thanks
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• 2820[16:54:00] <Ormu> apt-get says it's "de-configuring" some packages during upgrade
• 2821[16:54:04] <Ormu> what is that?
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• 2824[16:54:44] <Ormu> looks like these are i386 versions of the packages (i have x86-64 system)
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• 2865[17:11:48] <Somelauw> As a normal user, is there a way to issue commands like halt, reboot, pm-suspend, pm-hibernate without using sudo?
• 2866[17:12:10] <Somelauw> I am using systemd if that matters, but not something like gnome.
• 2867[17:12:18] <Amun_Ra> Somelauw: sudo
• 2868[17:12:29] <Iridos> Amun_Ra, is this some kind of zen?
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• 2870[17:12:53] <Amun_Ra> Iridos: pretty close
• 2871[17:12:56] <Iridos> Somelauw, "not something like gnome" means you're not logged in on the main Display?
• 2872[17:13:04] <Iridos> Amun_Ra, I mean... using sudo without using sudo?
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• 2874[17:13:32] <Amun_Ra> Iridos: argh. I missed "without using sudo" :|
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• 2876[17:13:40] <Somelauw> I am using x
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• 2880[17:14:12] <Amun_Ra> there are ways to do that; none as good as sudo
• 2881[17:14:19] <Somelauw> I do have gksudo
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• 2884[17:15:06] <Iridos> actually... the gdm3 login may have a shutdown button
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• 2889[17:16:59] <__marco> Could you please take a look at these two lines, 86-87? replaced-url
• 2890[17:17:02] <Somelauw> what's so great about sudo that I need it to shutdown?
• 2891[17:17:14] <Somelauw> Iridos: yeah, but then I need to logout first
• 2892[17:17:36] <Iridos> Somelauw, your question didn't say that staying logged in was a requirement
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• 2894[17:17:50] <Somelauw> which can be done with a single keypress if configured, but still
• 2895[17:17:52] <__marco> Am I right to think that debian interprets them as # --enable-vde, libvdeplug-dev?
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• 2901[17:18:19] <Somelauw> and then I need a mouse all the way to reach the shutdown button
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• 2905[17:18:59] <Somelauw> and i want to hibernate, suspend and such as well
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• 2907[17:19:28] <Iridos> Somelauw, possibly with dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.Hal /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Shutdown
• 2908[17:19:32] <Somelauw> logging out to suspend doesn't make sense
• 2909[17:19:36] <Iridos> which I don't feel like testing right now on my own machine
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• 2913[17:20:07] <Somelauw> a bit verbose, but thanks
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• 2915[17:20:32] <Iridos> and untested, as I don't feel like shutting down my desktop
• 2916[17:20:33] <Somelauw> better if I can configure the 'halt' command to run without root
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• 2919[17:21:10] <zykotick9> Somelauw: <sidenote> when i was running parabola (arch based) systemd allowed users to suspend/hibernate/shutdown without sudo (it seemed very wrong to me) so it's possible somehow. best of luck.
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• 2928[17:23:02] <Iridos> Somelauw, thing is... gnome and co can shutdowns et al without... and they do it somehow via dbus calls
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• 2931[17:23:45] <Iridos> well, if it can be done via systemd... --> man systemctl
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• 2933[17:24:15] <Iridos> probably systemctl reboot
• 2934[17:24:17] <Iridos> or the like
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• 2936[17:24:37] <Iridos> systemctl hibernate
• 2937[17:24:38] <Iridos> etc.
• 2938[17:24:40] <jdavila> why "Starting MTA" take so much time?
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• 2940[17:25:06] <jelly> Iridos: in fact, you can call lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 19 12:10 /sbin/reboot -> /bin/systemctl as normal user and it will let you
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• 2943[17:25:39] <Iridos> jelly, weeeeeee
• 2944[17:25:41] <Cloudwalker42> jdavila: Just have a look at the mail Logs
• 2945[17:25:53] <jelly> jdavila: which MTA do you have installed?
• 2946[17:26:13] <Iridos> the starting-mta thing used to be a faq... pity I forgot what the answer was
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• 2948[17:26:28] <TomTomTosch> jelly, "must be root" :P
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• 2950[17:26:52] <jelly> TomTomTosch: on jessie with systemd?
• 2951[17:27:04] <jelly> dpkg: listvals starting mta
• 2952[17:27:06] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'starting mta' by value (1): exim boot stall.
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• 2955[17:27:49] <jelly> apaprently it worked this time :-D
• 2956[17:27:57] <Iridos> jelly, seems TomTom was successful
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• 2958[17:28:05] <Iridos> took me so long to type the nick!
• 2959[17:28:11] <jelly> !exim boot stall
• 2960[17:28:12] <dpkg> If your network is not up when exim tries to start at boot time then the "Starting MTA..." step can take a long time because exim is waiting for DNS lookups to time out. Reducing the number of queries can help this: run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and say yes to "Keep number of DNS-queries minimal".
• 2961[17:28:24] <jelly> jdavila: ^^
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• 2964[17:28:55] <Iridos> dpkg, starting mta stalls is <reply> exim boot stall
• 2965[17:28:55] <dpkg> okay, Iridos
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• 2967[17:29:15] <Iridos> (I just didn't find it because I looked in keys only)
• 2968[17:29:16] <jelly> !wb TomTomTosch
• 2969[17:29:16] <dpkg> O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! TomTomTosch has returned!
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• 2971[17:29:26] <TomTomTosch> jelly: damn you.
• 2972[17:29:35] <jdavila> ok. i'm loking. many options haha
• 2973[17:29:35] <Iridos> I wonder what TomTomTosch's uptime is *g*
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• 2975[17:29:48] <jelly> probably had to reboot anyway
• 2976[17:30:00] <TomTomTosch> pff. i took one for the team :P
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• 2981[17:30:20] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 2983[17:30:28] <TomTomTosch> my vps didn't want to though. hmm.
• 2984[17:30:37] <jdavila> i will check the network config
• 2985[17:30:46] <smilenname> hello
• 2986[17:31:11] <smilenname> to a pc which I have, I do not have sound,
• 2987[17:31:13] <smilenname> until yesterday, had sound without Singer
• 2988[17:31:16] <smilenname> now cannot find the analog output in setting-sound and in alsamixer if press F6 now have only default but yesterday find and one HDa
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• 2990[17:31:19] <smilenname> any help?
• 2991[17:31:20] <Ormu> apt-get says it's "de-configuring" some packages during upgrade, what is that?
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• 3000[17:33:33] <Iridos> Somelauw, so seems it's extremely easy ------^
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• 3010[17:38:25] <ychaouche> Hit ctrl-alt-backspace
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• 3013[17:39:15] <TomTomTosch> ychaouche, i did, it did nothing.
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• 3016[17:39:39] <ychaouche> TomTomTosch: you're not on linux mint with an X server running then :)
• 3017[17:39:56] <TomTomTosch> ychaouche, indeed. welcome to #notmint
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• 3019[17:40:17] <ychaouche> How about #welcometodebianfromamintmachinetoaskaboutdebianservers ?
• 3020[17:40:21] <jelly> what's the general rule on requesting fixes for oldstable-proposed-updates? I'm hitting #705456 and the only cure is backporting the fix from jessie
• 3021[17:40:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3022[17:40:24] <ychaouche> ;o)
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• 3027[17:41:08] <ychaouche> I tried to install amavisd-new on a debian server and the package is in half-configured state
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• 3029[17:41:35] <ychaouche> I am looking for a way to complete the configruation of the package, I don't know if there's an apt command for that (or dpkg)
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• 3032[17:42:08] <ychaouche> I tried apt-get install --reinstall but then I have : E: Internal Error, No file name for amavisd-new:amd64
• 3033[17:42:35] <ychaouche> oh, ok it worked without the --reinstall switch
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• 3086[18:02:33] <vvein> hi! can someone cast some light on recompiling packages and addings additional flags to the compiler?
• 3087[18:02:53] <vvein> I tried APPEND in /etc/dpk/buildflags.conf; export CFLAGS in bash; settings DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND in debian/rules
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• 3089[18:03:11] <zykotick9> vvein: keep ubuntu issues in #ubuntu...
• 3090[18:03:13] <vvein> but nothing seems to affect the firefox compilation
• 3091[18:03:19] <lroe> where is the correct place to put my own systemd service files?
• 3092[18:03:49] <zykotick9> vvein: sidenote, "firefox" isn't even a package in debian...
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• 3099[18:04:40] <vvein> zykotick9: I know, I was hoping to get help here since the packaging system is the same
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• 3103[18:05:12] <vvein> zykotick9: I just want to know where to add my flags, or have a clue what went wrong
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• 3105[18:05:16] <zykotick9> vvein: sorry, ubuntu/based-on-debian isn't supported here. stick with #ubuntu.
• 3106[18:05:20] <Darkhunter> Hello guys,I am trying to make multiboot usb drive and first one is Debian 8 netinst. I am able to get to menu and then go to debian install menu where I chose install and I get error at detect and mount cd-rom: Incorrect cd-rom detected The cd-rom drive contaions a cd which cannot be used for installation.
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• 3108[18:05:39] <Darkhunter> I use syslinux and booting from iso.
• 3109[18:05:45] <vvein> zykotick9: my question is not firefox specific, it's .deb specific
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• 3111[18:05:54] <vvein> is it really the wrong place to ask it?
• 3112[18:06:24] <zykotick9> vvein: it doesn't matter. only Debian is supported in #debian. upgrade your distro (to debian) and you can get support here.
• 3113[18:06:26] <vvein> I want to learn more about debian packaging system
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• 3118[18:07:04] <vvein> thank you
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• 3176[18:26:38] <joostvb> vvein: google is your friend :)
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• 3182[18:27:47] <vvein> joostvb: I have already abused that friend wrt this problem
• 3183[18:27:57] <vvein> ;/
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• 3193[18:29:21] <somiaj> vvein: packing issues are not the same, ubuntu has a far different policy than debian and thus advise given may not apply to proper ubuntu patches. That being said check the debian/rules file, also for debian (not ubunutu) you can read all about this in the debian new matainers guide and the debian policy manual.
• 3194[18:29:28] <joostvb> vvein: aha, i c
• 3195[18:29:52] <joostvb> and, indeed, as somiaj : check new maintainters guid
• 3196[18:29:53] <joostvb> e
• 3197[18:30:14] <somiaj> this is one of the reason you should get this help from #ubuntu, people there will know ubuntu specific packing issues that debian users do not (the other is respect our time, we ar here to support debian, not ubuntu)
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• 3201[18:32:49] <vvein> I'm trying to figure it out with people from #ubuntu already
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• 3206[18:33:13] <vvein> I'll look into the new guide though, I want to switch back to Debian
• 3207[18:33:31] <vvein> and it would be great to learn more about the system
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• 3210[18:34:03] <zykotick9> vvein: when i said "upgrade your distro to debian" that does mean a fresh install... you can't actually switch ubuntu to debian without a reinstall...
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• 3214[18:34:22] <vvein> zykotick9: hehe, I figured that :)
• 3215[18:34:48] <vvein> zykotick9: I've been using debian for a few years back when it was woody ;)
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• 3218[18:35:26] <vvein> then got into gentoo for few years, now using ubuntu but about to switch back
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• 3241[18:46:02] <mooncheese> It is really annoying that there is no server iso to download for debian. The netinstall is useless as it still wants to download stuff afterwards. The live iso still contains a desktop. Is there really nothing like this where I can just download a server base install and install it offline somewhere?
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• 3245[18:46:52] <mtn> mooncheese: the netinstall is NOT useless. you can make a minimal install with it.
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• 3247[18:47:17] <mooncheese> mtn: How? Why does it still want to download stuff?
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• 3249[18:47:29] <mtn> mooncheese: such as?
• 3250[18:47:36] <mooncheese> everything
• 3251[18:47:48] <mtn> mooncheese: it does not download everything. how silly
• 3252[18:47:52] <mooncheese> i just selected sshd server and it is downloading everything it needs.
• 3253[18:48:41] <mooncheese> are you telling me I can use the netinstall iso to install a server without a internet connection?
• 3254[18:48:51] <ajeremias> hello, i am running a harddisk in a different machine (raspberry).. and everytime i boot the ethernet interface wont come up... because it changed name from eth0 to eth1... and then I add it.. and go with the hard disk to another machine.. and then there is eth2.. and no eth0 or eth1.. how can i make all be eth0 independent from the machine im running frmo?
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• 3258[18:49:32] <somiaj> mooncheese: if the netinstall cannot set up apt sources during the install it skips tasksel and won't give you the option to install additional software and will only install the minimial base system that is contained on the installer
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• 3262[18:49:54] <mooncheese> oh
• 3263[18:50:28] <somiaj> ajeremias: on debian (most probably raspbian) network interfaces are made persistance by the macaddress. check out /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
• 3264[18:50:28] <mooncheese> So I should ensure it has no internet during the first part.
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• 3268[18:50:36] <mooncheese> Thanks somiaj
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• 3270[18:50:46] <somiaj> mooncheese: it isn't nesecarry if you can configure everything frmo the base system once it is installed
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• 3272[18:51:03] <petemc> mooncheese: you dont have to choose any packages from tasksel, the only things it will install are updates for base system packages
• 3273[18:51:08] <ajeremias> somiaj: can i make all of them automatic? or change that setting?
• 3274[18:51:16] <z8z> anyone knows some website selling hardware working with opensource debian drivers and firmwares?
• 3275[18:51:50] <z8z> i'm searching for some micro usb wireless pen but i couldn't find anything so far :(
• 3276[18:52:12] <somiaj> ajeremias: i'm unsure, but you can have to store all the different mac address. If you remove that file before you boot it will start at eth0 again. I'm unsure how to disable it
• 3277[18:52:15] <thurstylark> I created an alsa configuration, and put it in /etc/asound.conf. For some reason, all I see in alsamixer is one master as playback, and there should be several according to my asound.conf. What is happening?
• 3278[18:52:57] <somiaj> z8z: wireless is difficult to get with out firmware. You can look for Atheos chipsets but you have to be careful which ones don't require non-free firmware.
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• 3280[18:53:44] <somiaj> z8z: note you will not be able to avoid non-free firmware (afiak) but the Atheos chips flash the firmware on the chip and don't ship it as a seperate file. You can check out many of the libre sites, they usually have a list of 'free hardware'.
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• 3284[18:54:38] <somiaj> z8z: I am one who dosen't see the difference between getting non-free firmware flashed on a chip and supplied as a file. But wifi is one of the harder ones to avoid having to install a non-free firmware (and if you care about an open bios that is a whole nother can of worms)
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• 3290[18:56:52] <z8z> somiaj: i see :|
• 3291[18:56:56] <Rust3dCor3> hi. after plugging the eth0 cable to my latpot and putting it into sleep mode, i cant turn wifi on. even if the hardware switch is on on position. nothing works besides restarting the pc
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• 3297[18:58:58] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: sometimes certain modules don't like being suspended. You don't need to do a full restart, you can just unload/reload the wifi module (driver) and that should fix it
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• 3299[18:59:13] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: you can also set up the suspend scripts to automatically remove this module and readd it during a suspend
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• 3302[18:59:38] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: how to look for the wifi module name?
• 3303[18:59:49] <TheReverend403> Can anyone help with a systemd-logind issue I've been having since upgrading from wheezy to jessie this morning? It's using 100% of the CPU at all times, and dmesg shows some nasty looking errors. replaced-url
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• 3307[19:00:58] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: lsmod will list all modules, dmesg will list what module is loaded with the wifi card
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• 3310[19:02:15] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: thank You. i think ill go without Your help for now. If I will be stuck ill ask :)
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• 3312[19:02:56] <thurstylark> is pulseaudio installed by default in jessie?
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• 3315[19:03:17] <somiaj> thurstylark: I would say no, but I think the big desktops pull it in
• 3316[19:03:24] <__marco> Any DD here? I have a (bzr) repository that I use to develop a software. Now I would like to start a second repository that is a debianized version of the first one. How is this handled in Debian?
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• 3319[19:04:48] <thurstylark> somiaj: I installed with no DE. Apparently iceweasel was installed as well, which I don't need if I'm not installing a graphical environment.
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• 3321[19:05:18] <somiaj> that is strange that iceweasle was pulled in if you didn't request it.
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• 3323[19:05:31] <somiaj> but pulseaudio won't be installed unless your DE or something else pulls it in
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• 3327[19:07:24] <binarym> i have a problem with late_command in a preseed file ... it never returns
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• 3332[19:08:14] <Rust3dCor3> Another question. How to reload wifi (bypass hardware switch and make it reload)
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• 3335[19:08:34] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: what do you mean reload? Reload the modules?
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• 3338[19:08:52] <binarym> here is the preseed file + script that hang : replaced-url
• 3339[19:08:53] <thurstylark> somiaj: aptitude why pulseaudio says that libcanberra-pulse requires pulse, aptitude why libcanberra-pulse says that iceweasel suggests libcanberra0, and libcanberra0 suggests libcanberra-pulse, but libcanberra0 isn't installed, so why the poop were all these extra packages installed?
• 3340[19:08:55] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: use modprobe -r modulename [to remove a module] and modprobe modulename [to install it again]
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• 3342[19:09:30] <somiaj> thurstylark: I have no idea, what install medium did you use? You have to manually unckeck the destkop option in the current jessie install I think
• 3343[19:09:39] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: turn off and turn on. the module has been modprobe -r and modprobe. it works, but i need to turn on and off by the switch
• 3344[19:10:15] <thurstylark> somiaj: I used the net install. I made sure to uncheck the desktop option.
• 3345[19:10:36] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: rfkill is a command that can look at the status of any kill switches. You can also use rfkill to turn on/off a software switch (sometimes you cannot toggle a hardware switch with software]
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• 3347[19:10:47] <somiaj> thurstylark: you selected something that pulled in the extra stuff.
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• 3419[19:37:05] <somiaj> just double checking, rsync -backup and -backup-dir= option, this is the directory on the destination (even if it is remote, I still enter in the full path on the destiation)
• 3420[19:37:26] <foo> I'm on debian, latest stable jessie, and the latest python version is 3.4.2. I want to get 3.5.1 installed. Any advice? I'm trying to match my dev/production
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• 3424[19:38:32] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: I've made a script that reloads the module and turns on wifi. Its started by gksudo. But it does not working. What I'm doing wrong?
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• 3428[19:39:32] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: this is the line in the script: modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k && rfkill block wifi && rfkill unblock wifi && mousepad
• 3429[19:39:55] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: i've put mousepad on the end to see if it works. the text editor does not shot up
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• 3440[19:42:49] <somiaj> foo: you will have to make a local install of python and use a python virtual enviroment.
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• 3442[19:43:32] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: I would track down what part of that command fails or why it dosen't work. Also note sometimes other modules depend on ath5k so you can't just remove one module
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• 3446[19:44:36] <Rust3dCor3> somiaj: in terminal the stuff works. but not by gksudo. also should i remove all modules that are depending on ath5k?
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• 3448[19:45:02] <somiaj> Rust3dCor3: the modprobe -r ath5k will fail if stuff depends on it
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• 3450[19:45:43] <foo> somiaj: Thank you, I've been using venv so a virtual environment is ok. For making a local install, I assume installing from source is best? Or is a dpkg ok? I'm open to what you may recommend
• 3451[19:45:57] <somiaj> foo: source
• 3452[19:46:21] <somiaj> foo: and I woudlnt' use /usr/local hiarcay, hide it away so a python call from the system doens't call a non-system python version
• 3453[19:46:34] <somiaj> foo: /otp or eve $HOME would be fine
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• 3456[19:46:50] <foo> somiaj: Good deal, thank you.
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• 3469[19:51:50] <eduard> SK?
• 3470[19:52:00] <eduard> ... or CZ?
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• 3474[19:54:08] <foo> somiaj: when you say install to opt, what's the configure flag to do that again?
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• 3490[20:02:43] <karlpinc> foo: ./configure --prefix=/opt/...
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• 3492[20:03:03] <karlpinc> foo: (Usually)
• 3493[20:03:36] <fearnothing> what's the debian version of ifconfig?
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• 3495[20:04:07] <DammitJim> /sbin/ifconfig
• 3496[20:04:14] <karlpinc> !tell fearnothing about interfaces
• 3497[20:04:15] <DammitJim> or you can use: ip addr
• 3498[20:04:17] <DammitJim> or something like that
• 3499[20:04:20] <DammitJim> ?
• 3500[20:04:29] <DammitJim> I need to learn how to use ip
• 3501[20:04:35] <DammitJim> ifconfig seems to be sooooo old
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• 3504[20:05:00] <fearnothing> karlpinc - yeah I know where to set configurations, I want to view the currently loaded config to make sure that the stuff I've set has taken effect
• 3505[20:05:02] <foo> karlpinc: thank you
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• 3508[20:05:33] <fearnothing> thanks DammitJim
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• 3512[20:05:53] <fearnothing> I've done it before with IP but I entirely forgot it existed
• 3513[20:06:00] <thurstylark> I have a /etc/asound.conf, but alsa doesn't seem to be honoring it. Pulse had been pulled in by libsdl (which I don't need anymore), and so I uninstalled it thinking that might help, but I'm still not seeing what is expected in alsamixer.
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• 3552[20:20:19] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: alsamixer has nothing to do with pulse
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• 3554[20:20:41] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: you'll need to pass -c # where # is the card you wish to use
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• 3556[20:21:03] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: and ~/.asoundrc will override /etc/asound.conf
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• 3559[20:22:15] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: you can ID the # by $(cat /proc/asound/cards)
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• 3562[20:22:41] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: 0 is default unless otherwise specified.
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• 3567[20:23:54] <sasa> sera
• 3568[20:23:58] <sasa> list
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• 3570[20:24:59] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: ~/.asoundrc doesn't exist. Here's the configuration: replaced-url
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• 3572[20:25:37] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: which card do you want to use? echo "defaults.pcm.card 1" > .asoundrc
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• 3580[20:27:12] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: it's not the card I'm having trouble with.
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• 3588[20:29:55] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: some things are setup to use pulse by default. You'll need to change /etc/java-7-openjdk/sound.properties to change java to default to alsa
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• 3590[20:30:44] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: Not my problem either. My problem is that alsa isn't using /etc/asound.conf.
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• 3596[20:33:42] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: define not using? mixer settings (if saved) come from /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
• 3597[20:35:35] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: apps like skype ONLY use pulse
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• 3599[20:35:57] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: if you look at the configuration I pasted, Alsa should have a few extra softvols and dmixes. I don't see them in alsamixer.
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• 3602[20:36:44] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: This is a single-use computer, and I don't need pulse. Nothing will ever use pulse on this computer.
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• 3607[20:39:18] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: perhaps it's defaulting to /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
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• 3609[20:40:23] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: but why? /etc/asound.conf should supercede it.
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• 3611[20:40:45] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: systemd + posix standards... the good old days are not so simple anymore
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• 3621[20:43:01] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: was there something in particular you were wanting to accomplish in /etc/asound.conf?
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• 3623[20:43:45] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: yes. several things that interface with the application this box is being built for.
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• 3626[20:44:11] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: you can generically name cards in .asoundrc
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• 3629[20:45:07] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: ~/.asoundrc doesn't work for this solution. No users will be logged in.
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• 3631[20:45:47] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: you can override the index number if you want to re-order a different card to 0
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• 3638[20:46:25] <thurstylark> Shadow_7: I have already done that. This issue doesn't concern that.
• 3639[20:46:26] <Akuw> hi, i have a site in hosting server but was blocked because there is a spam mail from my site they told me
• 3640[20:46:35] <Shadow_7> thurstylark: although whatever user uses sound will need to be root or in the audio group
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• 3642[20:46:45] <Akuw> how can i know in logs what is going on?
• 3643[20:47:18] <Akuw> i am using wordpress
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• 3647[20:50:45] <dimitry7> hey guys
• 3648[20:50:54] <dimitry7> is there a command to check height and width of an image?¡
• 3649[20:50:55] <dimitry7> from the console
• 3650[20:51:03] <greycat> identify, from the imagemagick package
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• 3652[20:51:17] <Mathisen> Akuw, i had the same issue with a joomla site.. was a bad template i used that had a plugin that was abused... most likely something simular for you
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• 3654[20:51:31] <greycat> You can also get the info with file(1), at least for some formats.
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• 3656[20:51:50] <Akuw> ok
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• 3658[20:52:57] <Akuw> but what i have to expect with file? file types?
• 3659[20:53:23] <greycat> If you're not sure, use identify.
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• 3661[20:53:53] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ identify witchess024.png
• 3662[20:53:53] <greycat> witchess024.png PNG 488x510 488x510+0+0 8-bit sRGB 27.5KB 0.000u 0:00.000
• 3663[20:54:03] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ file witchess024.png
• 3664[20:54:03] <greycat> witchess024.png: PNG image data, 488 x 510, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
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• 3670[20:58:13] <Akuw> hosting provider sent me this log replaced-url
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• 3674[20:58:49] <bitch_ass> Hi!
• 3675[20:58:54] <bitch_ass> What can I use to edit videos?
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• 3678[20:59:56] <keith4> this is interesting. replaced-url
• 3679[21:00:00] <thurstylark> blender comes to mind.
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• 3681[21:00:26] <keith4> ditto for libclamav6
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• 3684[21:01:03] <markybob> keith4: squeeze isn't lts anymore
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• 3688[21:02:38] <Azrael_-> ... unfortunately ... :)
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• 3693[21:03:54] <bitch_ass> thurstylark: I actually just have to redact or blur my face
• 3694[21:04:10] <bitch_ass> Ah I have a solution :D
• 3695[21:04:23] <bitch_ass> Nvm :p
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• 3698[21:05:31] <Azrael_-> mind to tell us your solution?
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• 3701[21:06:28] <dimitry7> thank you greycat °
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• 3704[21:07:33] <bitch_ass> Azrael_-: Copy the video to my phone then use obscuracam :p
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• 3708[21:07:49] <Azrael_-> hehe
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• 3711[21:10:09] <Shadow_7> lives, kdenlive, and a few others for editing video
• 3712[21:10:10] <teraflops> bitch_ass: there's an ascii cam app in fdroid
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• 3725[21:12:14] <lroe> Where is the correct place to put my own systemd service files?
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• 3732[21:13:39] <greycat> /etc/systemd/system/
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• 3736[21:14:59] <dD_> how can I ssh into a computer with a screen and without a keyboard and have my commands run directly on the main screen session? (because there is no keyboard, i don't think i would be able to run screen -x)
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• 3738[21:15:18] <lroe> greycat, there isn't a '/user/local/' equivalent?
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• 3740[21:15:57] <grawity> that *is* the equivalent
• 3741[21:15:58] <greycat> not that I know of
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• 3743[21:16:01] <binarym> dD_: can you explain better your need
• 3744[21:16:07] <grawity> since package-provided ones go to /usr/lib
• 3745[21:16:15] <grawity> so sysadmin-provided ones go to /etc
• 3746[21:16:17] <Shadow_7> dD_: well... xhost local:user as the user who started X unless you are that user. set DISPLAY and launch a gui app
• 3747[21:16:44] <binarym> dD_: when you type "with a screen" does it mean using GNU Screen software ? or just "with a display" ?
• 3748[21:16:56] <bitch_ass> teraflops: ascii cam app?
• 3749[21:17:11] <grawity> Shadow_7: there's no "local:user" afaik, there's only "local:" that allows everyone, and "si:localuser:user" for a specific user
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• 3751[21:18:36] <dD_> binaryc_, Shadow_7 I have a pc with a display connected to it. I'm sshing into it, and it shows a username/password prompt (the one you get when you turn the computer on). I want to be able to ssh, log in, and have whatever i'm running, running on that main display. So if I run ls -liart I want the directory listing showing on that main display. Does that make sense?
• 3752[21:19:19] <ompaul> you want ssh to echo to the local console?
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• 3754[21:19:34] <grawity> dD_: do you mean a graphical username/password prompt, or the textual one?
• 3755[21:19:39] <Shadow_7> dD_: so set $DISPLAY and launch an xterm under screen
• 3756[21:19:43] <dD_> the text one
• 3757[21:19:59] <binarym> dD_: screen -x
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• 3759[21:20:10] <grawity> dD_: can you log in locally, or do you want to somehow force that via ssh as well?
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• 3761[21:20:23] <dD_> I want to force that via ssh, because there is no keyboard
• 3762[21:20:25] <binarym> 1/ plug a keyboad on the "with no keyboard" machine, log in and lauch screen
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• 3767[21:20:39] <binarym> 2/ ssh to the machine, and as the same user type screen -X
• 3768[21:20:39] <grawity> dD_: that's a bit harder but you can replace the login prompt outright
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• 3770[21:20:41] <binarym> or -x
• 3771[21:20:43] <binarym> i don't remember
• 3772[21:20:44] <binarym> then
• 3773[21:20:53] <binarym> you have the same screen on both ssh client et display
• 3774[21:20:53] <binarym> :)
• 3775[21:20:55] <grawity> dD_: i.e. make getty@tty1.service (or the equiv inittab entry) directly run "screen -whatever"
• 3776[21:21:12] <grawity> dD_: or, if all you want is *output*, do `ls -liart > /dev/tty1`
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• 3778[21:21:44] <binarym> grawity: quite dirty, no ?
• 3779[21:21:52] <binarym> screen -x do the work well
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• 3783[21:22:17] <grawity> binarym: considering the requirements (can't keyboard), most solutions are going to be more or less dirty
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• 3788[21:23:00] <binarym> grawity: so yeah, 1/ make init launch screen on /dev/tty1 and 2/ attach using screen -X
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• 3791[21:23:13] <binarym> if think it may even be possible to launch screen locked
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• 3796[21:23:58] <grawity> so you have a login prompt but can't type stuff into it, your options are: 1) configure the login prompt (agetty) to *autologin*, then it'll launch stuff from .profile; 2) configure getty@tty1 to skip the login prompt entirely, and launch said stuff directly from the .service; 3) use 'writevt' to remotely send fake input and log in that way; or 4) write the desired text directly to /dev/tty1
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• 3799[21:24:28] <grawity> options 1-3 probably all end up with launching a 'screen -x' or tmux
• 3800[21:25:12] <greycat> Replacing the tty1 getty with the desired screen/tmux invocation sounds like the "right" answer.
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• 3802[21:26:10] <grawity> dunno about replacing – I think it still does some necessary init of the terminal? so keeping the agetty but starting it with --autologin might be better
• 3803[21:26:12] <grawity> but either works
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• 3806[21:26:46] <grawity> I've done that to autostart a htop on one such nearly-headless host
• 3807[21:27:08] <dD_> ok, so i've auto logged in
• 3808[21:27:26] <dD_> should i be trying to run screen from .profile?
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• 3811[21:28:04] <ompaul> when you ssh in how does it know if you have more than once screen session in play which one to export
• 3812[21:28:21] <greycat> You can name them.
• 3813[21:28:30] <ompaul> what is the actual use case - it seems a very specific requirement
• 3814[21:28:35] <grawity> dD_: yeah you can try that
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• 3817[21:29:12] <hanshenrik_> the installer is refusing to set the boot flag
• 3818[21:29:20] <grawity> (as in `if [ "$(tty)" = /dev/tty1 ]; then <some stuff>; fi`)
• 3819[21:29:31] <hanshenrik_> "boot flag: off" , press enter, "boot flag: off"
• 3820[21:29:33] <greycat> Linux does not care about the "boot flag" on any of your partitions. That's only used by DOS/Windows.
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• 3823[21:29:38] <dD_> ompaul, we're going to be working with several raspberry Pis, and want everything to show on a tft screen
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• 3825[21:29:47] <Erik34525> how do I save a youtube video manually?
• 3826[21:30:04] <teraflops> Erik34525: youtube-dl
• 3827[21:30:04] <PlasmaPower> Erik34525: try youtube-dl
• 3828[21:30:11] <Erik34525> thanks
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• 3830[21:30:16] <hanshenrik_> greycat, yes it does
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• 3834[21:30:38] <PlasmaPower> greycat: yeah I'm pretty sure you need the boot flag
• 3835[21:30:54] <DoctorD90> guys, building a system from scratch....to get only cli, what package have i to install?
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• 3837[21:30:58] <Shadow_7> hanshenrik_: grub might, the devices bootloader might, but neither is "linux"
• 3838[21:31:00] <hanshenrik_> greycat, during setup, that's how your decide which partition to boot from
• 3839[21:31:23] <greycat> DoctorD90: use the netinst. At the end, when you get the tasksel interface, either select nothing at all, or select only "standard", or "standard" and "openssh server".
• 3840[21:31:25] <hanshenrik_> Shadow_7, the debian INSTALLER CARES, it wont allow you to install without setting a boot flag to a partition
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• 3842[21:31:36] <hanshenrik_> well, maybe on expert mode, but im not in expert mode
• 3843[21:31:47] <Shadow_7> hanshenrik_: there are other install methods beyond the debian installer
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• 3845[21:32:07] <hanshenrik_> my point still stands, the DEBIAN INSTALLER cares.
• 3846[21:32:26] <hanshenrik_> mhm
• 3847[21:32:27] <Shadow_7> hanshenrik_: but "linux"... generically speaking doesn't
• 3848[21:32:47] <Erik34525> dd for examlple
• 3849[21:32:49] <hanshenrik_> okay
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• 3854[21:33:01] <hanshenrik_> anyway, any idea why the installer refuse to set the boot flag?
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• 3856[21:33:38] <Erik34525> if you're trying to boot debian live on uefi: you can't yet
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• 3859[21:33:55] <DoctorD90> hi greycat :) no, im trying to learn about "building" an iso. This summer I have succeded, but i have installed also Xorg and other packages....I would just know what packages are required for a minimal only terminal system, and which one for a minimal GUI interface :P
• 3860[21:33:55] <Shadow_7> hanshenrik_: debian stable? or testing (testing is for testing the installer)
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• 3862[21:34:07] <hanshenrik_> Shadow_7, stable 8.3.0
• 3863[21:34:31] <Erik34525> DoctorD90: xterm is a minimal gui
• 3864[21:34:34] <greycat> DoctorD90: Do a bare netinst install on some machine. Then install the stuff you need for whatever you're doing. Then use that list of packages on the other thing.
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• 3867[21:35:27] <Shadow_7> DoctorD90: debootstrap is pretty good for minimal non-gui... although you can always add gui to such things
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• 3870[21:35:34] <DoctorD90> greycat, so, run a vm, and see the packages?....uhm...this could be a very good idea :P
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• 3872[21:35:44] <DoctorD90> Erik34525, xterm?....i will check it :D
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• 3874[21:36:07] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, i use debootstrp :D but i encoutered some issues
• 3875[21:36:15] <Erik34525> DoctorD90: don't be frightened by how it works though ;P
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• 3879[21:36:41] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, i solved once i discovered issue in initramfs, but at that point i have installed yet all lxde minimal metapackage :P
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• 3881[21:37:00] <Shadow_7> DoctorD90: minimal does have issues, if you don't add needed firmware, kernel, admin priviledges and such before actually booting it
• 3882[21:37:02] <DoctorD90> Erik34525, naaa....im not afraid :D i love to experiment!
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• 3884[21:37:14] <Erik34525> DoctorD90: replaced-url
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• 3886[21:37:52] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, i installed all know firmware xD for all wifi stuff and other minimal stuff xD
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• 3888[21:38:27] <DoctorD90> Erik34525, AH! this is xtrm! ah! understood!
• 3889[21:38:54] <Shadow_7> There's rxvt and other terminal options
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• 3892[21:39:43] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, i would learn how to get a headless machine :P just terminal....but at the end I installed many packages xD
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• 3894[21:40:20] <Shadow_7> DoctorD90: since debootstrap installs to a specified path, you can tarball it after debootstrap before adding stuff to make a snapshot
• 3895[21:40:27] <DoctorD90> im trying to create a custom distro for me and my friends :) so i would like get the opportunity to learn other stuff :D
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• 3897[21:41:08] <keith4> markybob: ah, excellent point
• 3898[21:41:24] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, yea! i did it because i havent a flat connection :P so i donwloaded once, then do all test with tarbal :D
• 3899[21:41:24] <Shadow_7> Which lets you iron out your preferred post debootstrap steps to get a desired result
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• 3902[21:42:07] <DoctorD90> Shadow_7, :P yea....the main issues was that i was creating a distro from a live system....so it can update initramfs
• 3903[21:42:10] <Shadow_7> I like debootstrap as you start with 60k-ish of apps and build up and only download what you need. Very nice for shoddy and slow connections.
• 3904[21:42:25] <DoctorD90> yea.....
• 3905[21:42:26] <keith4> markybob: kinda makes me wonder why they accepted a new package into squeeze-lts on 2/28, even though the dependencies didn't make the deadline
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• 3919[21:51:08] <MrTrump> :)
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• 3932[21:56:23] <hanshenrik_> keith4, rules are made to be broken.. :p
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• 3935[21:56:54] <Zipf> hi there, i'm running debian wheezy. I had a psu failure last week, and replaced with a brand new. Since that, i'm running "segmentation fault" when i use vnstat, i was able to get the specific error runnning gdb, anyone could plz take a look on the log and give me some help ?
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• 3937[21:56:58] <Zipf> replaced-url
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• 3942[21:58:15] <dreamer_> hi guys
• 3943[21:58:26] <dreamer_> im new in this room
• 3944[21:58:36] <dreamer_> im software engineer
• 3945[21:58:47] <dreamer_> i use debian since a years ago
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• 3947[21:58:59] <TonyStark> h all
• 3948[21:59:01] <dreamer_> and now i want to be debian developer
• 3949[21:59:06] <hanshenrik_> Zipf, those empty stack traces sure are useful. are you running this with ASLR? what does "cat /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space" say?
• 3950[21:59:31] <dreamer_> i want to work in the level kernel of the debian
• 3951[21:59:49] <dreamer_> anyone here all really work on this stuff
• 3952[21:59:51] <dreamer_> ??
• 3953[22:00:01] <TonyStark> Quick question:
• 3954[22:00:02] <TonyStark> I need this command to work
• 3955[22:00:04] <TonyStark> {
• 3956[22:00:05] <TonyStark> mail($send,"Desjardin CA FULLS $ip",$details);
• 3957[22:00:07] <TonyStark> }
• 3958[22:00:08] <TonyStark> On my debian VPS
• 3959[22:00:10] <TonyStark> unfortunately, I have no idea on how to enable mail sending
• 3960[22:00:12] <TonyStark> Anyone got leads?
• 3961[22:00:18] <greycat> Smells like PHP.
• 3962[22:00:24] <TonyStark> ^
• 3963[22:00:31] <greycat> So, I'd install PHP.
• 3964[22:00:43] <TonyStark> Complete noob here
• 3965[22:00:46] <TonyStark> apt-get pho
• 3966[22:00:48] <TonyStark> php*
• 3967[22:00:49] <TonyStark> lol
• 3968[22:00:51] <TonyStark> ?
• 3969[22:00:59] <Zipf> hanshenrik_ ty for the quick reply, ut says 2
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• 3971[22:01:23] <TonyStark> How can I verify if php is already installed?
• 3972[22:01:31] <TonyStark> Cause I think it is, since all other scripts are working.
• 3973[22:01:37] <TonyStark> Only the send mail function isn't working
• 3974[22:01:48] <TomTomTosch> !enter
• 3975[22:01:48] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 3976[22:01:54] <Zipf> hanshenrik_ i'm not sure if i'm running it with ASLR or not,
• 3977[22:02:09] <TonyStark> greycat:
• 3978[22:02:10] <thurstylark> TonyStark: try installing the package. it'll tell you if it's already installed.
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• 3980[22:02:21] <TonyStark> Thanks
• 3981[22:02:27] <TonyStark> sudo apt-get php?
• 3982[22:02:29] <greycat> ,info php-mail
• 3983[22:02:30] <judd> Package php-mail (php, optional) in jessie/amd64: Class that provides multiple interfaces for sending emails. Version: 1.2.0-7; Size: 23.8k; Installed: 145k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 3988[22:02:48] <hanshenrik_> Zipf, yes, yes you are, question is, is gdb smart enough to disable aslr or translate those addresses to their originals,
• 3989[22:02:49] <TonyStark> What's the exact cmd, I'm connected with SSH.
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• 3991[22:03:03] <hanshenrik_> Zipf, either way, get a debug build if you can
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• 3993[22:03:13] <TonyStark> php-mail not installed
• 3994[22:03:19] <TonyStark> sudo apt-get pho-mail?
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• 3997[22:04:05] <Zipf> hanshenrik_ ok, i'm not good with linux, but i can read and learn just a did with gdb .. just one little doublt, let's say i want reinstall it just to test, will i loose all the vnstat db logs it build during the last year ?
• 3998[22:04:07] <thurstylark> TonyStark: man apt-get
• 3999[22:04:57] <hanshenrik_> Zipf, possibly, but should be easy to backup the logs if they're valuable
• 4000[22:05:14] <Zipf> yes, they're very valuable to me
• 4001[22:05:22] <TonyStark> thurstylark: :/
• 4002[22:05:40] <Zipf> and do u believe its a good change to reinstall it, or its better debug even more to try found the fix ?
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• 4006[22:06:58] <hanshenrik_> Zipf, you're probably better off just reinstalling
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• 4009[22:07:17] <hanshenrik_> it will *probably* fix the issue, and you'll never know what the current problem is
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• 4011[22:07:47] <Zipf> great
• 4012[22:07:49] <greycat> TonyStark: I did "apt-cache search apache php mail" and that didn't give me anything that looked right, so I did "apt-cache search php mail" and that led me to the package named php-mail. Which I had the bot describe. Maybe you could try installing that.
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• 4015[22:08:09] <Zipf> hanshenrik_ ty very much for the great support and for ur time
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• 4092[22:37:37] <TonyStark> Ok, so I have php-mail & exim4 installed and it's still not working... any idea?
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• 4108[22:42:22] <donald> hello
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• 4110[22:43:21] <donald> I have got installed the pakage nautilus-wipe but I do not see the option 'remove' when I click in a button.
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• 4119[22:46:38] <TonyStark> Ok, so I have php-mail & exim4 installed and it's still not working... any idea?
• 4120[22:47:06] <petemc> TonyStark: check /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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• 4123[22:47:54] <TonyStark> What's the cmd to open a txt file?
• 4124[22:48:00] <greycat> Start with 'less'.
• 4125[22:48:01] <TonyStark> :L
• 4126[22:48:22] <thurstylark> TonyStark: less /path/to/file
• 4127[22:48:24] <greycat> Or maybe 'tail' if it's a really big file and you don't want to 'G' down to the end of it.
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• 4129[22:48:59] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 12:56:07 End queue run: pid=7163
• 4130[22:49:01] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 13:26:07 Start queue run: pid=7193
• 4131[22:49:03] <Shadow_7> or "more" depending on your dogma of choice
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• 4133[22:49:14] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 07:56:07 Start queue run: pid=6882
• 4134[22:49:15] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 07:56:07 End queue run: pid=6882
• 4135[22:49:17] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 08:26:07 Start queue run: pid=6912
• 4136[22:49:18] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 08:26:07 End queue run: pid=6912
• 4137[22:49:20] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 08:56:07 Start queue run: pid=6938
• 4138[22:49:21] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 08:56:07 End queue run: pid=6938
• 4139[22:49:23] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 09:26:07 Start queue run: pid=6969
• 4140[22:49:24] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 09:26:07 End queue run: pid=6969
• 4141[22:49:26] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 09:56:07 Start queue run: pid=6995
• 4142[22:49:28] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 09:56:07 End queue run: pid=6995
• 4143[22:49:29] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 10:26:07 Start queue run: pid=7025
• 4144[22:49:30] <greycat> ... sigh.
• 4145[22:49:31] <TonyStark> 2016-03-07 10:26:07 End queue run: pid=7025
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• 4150[22:50:23] <uptime> Wasnt_Spamming: Please be more careful
• 4151[22:50:31] <Wasnt_Spamming> Sure
• 4152[22:50:34] <dax> !paste
• 4153[22:50:34] <Wasnt_Spamming> My fault.
• 4154[22:50:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 4156[22:50:47] <Wasnt_Spamming> Makes sense, sorry.
• 4157[22:51:27] <greycat> When you said php-mail is "not working", does it generate an error in the PHP script? Or is the mail queued up and never goes out? Or what?
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• 4159[22:51:46] <thurstylark> fwiw, g will go to the end of the buffer in less
• 4160[22:51:58] <Wasnt_Spamming> Tbh, I don't really know. Everything, on the front end, looks perfectly fine.
• 4161[22:52:02] <greycat> thurstylark: shift-G
• 4162[22:52:09] <Wasnt_Spamming> I just don't receive the email.
• 4163[22:52:18] <greycat> Then start by seeing if the script generated an error.
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• 4166[22:52:51] <greycat> If there is no error, then see if there is mail queued up, and check the exim4 log (don't just PASTE IT. READ IT.)
• 4167[22:52:54] <Wasnt_Spamming> What's the default path for logs?
• 4168[22:53:06] <greycat> You're the PHP programmer, not me. How the hell would I knwo?
• 4169[22:53:16] <Wasnt_Spamming> I am?
• 4170[22:53:18] <Wasnt_Spamming> lol
• 4171[22:53:27] <Wasnt_Spamming> I barely know DOS
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• 4181[22:55:05] <Wasnt_Spamming> Think it might be /var/log?
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• 4185[22:55:52] <jelly> Wasnt_Spamming: assuming your "frontend" is a web page, investigate and find your web server's error log.
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• 4187[22:56:13] <Wasnt_Spamming> There's plenty .log
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• 4189[22:56:20] <Wasnt_Spamming> Which one should I be looking for?
• 4190[22:56:24] <greycat> Wasnt_Spamming: are you using php from apache?
• 4191[22:56:30] <Wasnt_Spamming> I assume so
• 4192[22:56:34] <greycat> ...
• 4193[22:56:36] <Wasnt_Spamming> apache2
• 4194[22:56:42] <greycat> You have to KNOW something at some point.
• 4195[22:56:48] <Wasnt_Spamming> Well I don't
• 4196[22:56:53] <Wasnt_Spamming> and still gotta fix this
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• 4200[22:57:15] <Wasnt_Spamming> asap, since my tech isnt reachable
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• 4203[22:57:33] <jelly> hire someone who knows the stack of technologies involved.
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• 4206[22:57:46] <Wasnt_Spamming> How much do you want?
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• 4208[22:58:01] <jelly> $100/hr, 2 hours advance
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• 4210[22:58:29] <Wasnt_Spamming> In two hours my tech will be back.
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• 4212[22:58:40] <sypher> Well, there you go.
• 4213[22:58:44] <jelly> then, problem solved?
• 4214[22:58:47] <Shadow_7> in 1 hour your company will be out of business
• 4215[22:58:55] <jelly> you can apparently afford two hours downtme
• 4216[22:59:03] <Wasnt_Spamming> No, but it's currently losing many leads.
• 4217[22:59:04] <greycat> And we get 2 more hours without his spam in our mailboxes.
• 4218[22:59:08] <vegenaise> hey debian irc, anyone know of a gui video transcoder similar to handbrake for debian jessie?
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• 4220[22:59:26] <Shadow_7> vegenaise: kdenlive?
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• 4223[23:00:20] <vegenaise> Shadow_7, oh yea, that looks like it could work. thanks :)
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• 4231[23:03:02] <jelly> if "many leads" aren't worth even the measly $200, it's not worth the trouble teaching you to figure out where apache error log is, which php is used, which MTA is used and which component is at fault
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• 4233[23:03:48] <jelly> doing all that over public irc for free usually takes about an hour at least given the apparent level of linux experience
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• 4237[23:04:51] <donald> I have got installed the pakage nautilus-wipe but I do not see the option 'remove' when I click in a button.
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• 4248[23:08:21] <musca> donald: did you restart your nautilus?
• 4249[23:08:28] <donald> no
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• 4265[23:11:03] <donald> musca how?
• 4266[23:11:11] <donald> I tried apt-get update and upgrade
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• 4272[23:14:20] <jorb> so i need to include some broadcom drivers in a boot iso? is that possible?
• 4273[23:14:56] <jorb> can i just sort of mount and remake a new iso with mkisofs? or will i need to do more fancy things
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• 4275[23:15:01] <nkuttler> !tell jorb about firmware installer
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• 4280[23:15:36] <jorb> nkuttler: i don't have access to any additional media points unfortunately
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• 4282[23:15:41] <jorb> booting over the network
• 4283[23:16:02] <nkuttler> jorb: you still boot an iso from network, don't you?
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• 4285[23:16:14] <nkuttler> oh wait..
• 4286[23:16:19] <jorb> yeah, lets say hypothetically i can only load a single iso
• 4287[23:16:28] <nkuttler> !firmware images
• 4288[23:16:28] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 4290[23:16:31] <nkuttler> that one
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• 4296[23:18:20] <jorb> nkuttler: thx that should help much appreciated
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