5[00:00:37] <Tenkawa> tx0h: well armhf is a completely
different architecture
6[00:00:48] <Tenkawa> you should be able to be able to get
mono on x86
7[00:00:52] <Tenkawa> just a sec
8[00:00:54] <tx0h> tenkawa: tell me more :-)
9[00:01:18] <tx0h> but i don't want it for x86
10[00:01:27] <annadane> if you want to stay on stable
you'd have to get it from another source other than
testing/unstable unless you want to upgrade the whole system to
testing/unstable which some (or many) people don't want;
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11[00:01:37] <tx0h> it's for my tinkerboard, which comes
with debian
12[00:01:52] <Tenkawa> ahh you wnt it for the pi? there is a
good pi channel on here too
13[00:02:14] <annadane> i run sid so i consider it stable (but
i take precautions and don't do things blindly) but don't
expect other people to have my preferences
14[00:02:17] <tx0h> no, i want it for the tinkerboard, which
looks like rpi, but isn't
15[00:02:18] <Tenkawa> tx0h: yeah my tinkerboard has been a
nuisance
16[00:02:41] <Tenkawa> mine has overheating problems
17[00:03:00] <tx0h> tenkawa: mine runs a opensim :-)
70[00:24:17] <TinkerTiger> It's official, I will be
teaching Linux in the fall. I guess after 30 years of using it, I
will actually have to learn something!
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116[00:48:03] <Divergenz> I have a problem with charset in .txt
files on my debian server. I changed charset in nginx and my locale
is utf 8 but in textfiles i have errors.
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185[01:20:47] <TinkerTiger> My job is usually not much more then
reminding people of what they already know rather then me giving
them new information they have never seen before.
222[01:45:33] <jak2000> when i try access my site i get an
error: Internal server error, its because the .htaccess is the
problem here my htaccess:
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223[01:46:11] <somiaj> jak2000: is this apache, nginx, or
something else?
234[01:52:16] <somiaj> unsure if #httpd could give better help,
I don't know what the issue could be if the module is enabled
but it is still saying not defined.
280[02:04:33] <AlexPortable> folder
/home/alexportable/one/two/three/four/five/six/, i want to share
folder four with user foo, and folder six with user bar. whats the
best way to achieve this?
281[02:05:20] <AlexPortable> should i move the folder outside of
the home directory?
298[02:08:50] <Tenkawa> jak2000: see if a2enmod mod_rewrite and
restarting apache helps
299[02:09:10] <jak2000> ERROR: Module mod_rewrite does not
exist!
300[02:09:15] <somiaj> AlexPortable: it would be easier if they
weren't so nested, but in that case, note that if you give a
user 'x' permisions but not 'r' persions, they
can't actually see any of the files in the directory, but they
can move through it.
301[02:09:28] <Tenkawa> oops
302[02:09:32] <AlexPortable> or maybe i should setup a symlink?
308[02:10:49] <jak2000> if i rename the .htaccess file, it work
but not know if a good idea (and too not know if work fine at 1005)
309[02:11:01] <somiaj> AlexPortable: not sure on the exact
details, but you would have to use groups, and then only give
'x' to either a group or everyone but no 'r'.
310[02:11:10] <Tenkawa> I hear ya
311[02:11:36] <somiaj> Tenkawa: what does mod_rewrite have to do
with this, the issue is mod_headers.
312[02:11:58] <Tenkawa> somiaj: right.. but its not parsing his
access rules
313[02:12:55] <somiaj> not sure what you mean by that, it seems
that is things 'Headers' is not defined, which sounds like
mod_headers is not loading properly.
326[02:14:50] <jak2000> checking making a phpinfo...
327[02:14:56] <AlexPortable> somiaj: i'm a bit lost here,
should i set group x or others x?
328[02:15:16] <somiaj> WoC: but that sounds like an XY problem,
what is your actual goal? Do you want to fall back to vesa or nv
driver? Or are you wanting to use the nivida driver instaed of
nouveau?
329[02:15:35] <somiaj> AlexPortable: either works, depends on
your actual needs. I would probably use others myself, and then
setup the groups for the read (maybe write) permissions.
330[02:15:54] <AlexPortable> but the owner of the folder
isn't the group
338[02:17:17] <jak2000> when try execute the i.php get in the
browser: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
339[02:17:31] <jak2000> cant see about php
340[02:17:43] <somiaj> WoC: nv has no 3d support and poor
preformance, I think getting nouveau to work would be a more proper
approach. That being said, just blacklist the module in
/etc/modprobe.d and that will prevernt your kernel from loading it.
341[02:17:47] <jak2000> php -v say me: PHP 7.0.19-1 (cli)
(built: May 11 2017 14:04:47) ( NTS )
342[02:17:47] <Tenkawa> jak2000: whats the clock on your server
say?
354[02:20:44] <somiaj> WoC: blacklist just prevents loading at
boot, I think it can manually be loaded later. Maybe your xorg is
loading it. Have you written an xorg.conf to force your machine to
use the nv driver?
361[02:23:57] <WoC> somiaj, ty, still trying to find any nvidia
driver though... some repo to enable for that but i haven't
found it yet
362[02:24:08] <somiaj> !nvidia-kernel-dkms
363[02:24:08] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
364[02:24:31] <Tenkawa> WoC: have you been to the wiki page?
421[03:06:09] <somiaj> Chinesium: I thinnk vmware provides a way
to mount a direction on the host in the guest. Unsure on this.
Another way is if you have ssh running on the guest, use winscp
422[03:06:27] <somiaj> mobaxterm is also a nice windows tool for
accessing linux servers.
447[03:23:26] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh
twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas
comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all!
type apt-get moo; aplay
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
458[03:36:59] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package
management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++
library of functions that are used by several command line programs
for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude
and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also
<aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt
myths>.
492[03:56:00] <b---> any idea what AMD video driver i need to
install?
493[03:56:05] <tp43_> I two screen, 1 widescreen monitor
connected on display port plug and other widescreen tv on vga plug,
but the screen on the vga port, the tv, it is not filling up the
widescreen, it is showing square
494[03:56:30] <b---> when I boot up and see the debian splash
page it's a giant mess until the sign in screen
505[04:03:02] <b---> Hi my videocard is the following chipset:
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices,
Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] [1002:9850] (rev 45)
I'm getting the following for 30 seconds on boot. I can't
even explain it without an image. Eventually I reach the login
screen. OS: Debian Stretch
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506[04:03:33] <b---> This is a clean install of Debian Stretch.
When I had Debian Jessie this never happened and my boot time was
seconds.
507[04:03:49] <b---> Normally I don't link to images, but I
have no idea what it is.
508[04:04:24] <b---> Once I reach GDM (I think that's the
default desktop manager) the screen renders correctly
514[04:06:59] <Logg> b---, you could just disable the splash
screen in /etc/default/grub. If
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" you'll get text on the
screen instead of glitchy images.
515[04:07:14] <b---> let me try that now thank you
516[04:07:21] <b---> i really want to see what's causing
such a long boot time
517[04:07:26] <Logg> tp43_, try xrandr to set the display mode
518[04:07:34] <Logg> you may have to add a mode line
530[04:10:33] <b---> Logg: I still see the same visual error
when I boot up and when I shut down
531[04:10:45] <b---> even with
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
532[04:10:52] <Logg> make sure to update grub b---
533[04:11:10] <b---> oops i didnt do that
534[04:11:20] <b---> somiaj: i have everything out of the box so
non-free isn't installed yet
535[04:11:33] <b---> non-free repos arent enabled
536[04:11:38] <b---> should i?
537[04:11:49] <somiaj> I think Logg has a point about the spalsh
srcreen, but the free radeon kms driver works a bit better if you
have the non-free firmware for it installed.
538[04:12:02] <b---> i'll take your advise and install it
now
539[04:12:10] <b---> -advice
540[04:12:18] <somiaj> correct, they aren't installed by
default, but your graphics card mayget some preformace boost by
having the amd firmware. Though since you say gdm works fine, this
issue might be something else.
558[04:18:20] <b---> those closed source drivers\firmware you
recommended did the trick
559[04:18:20] <Logg> somiaj, you might be right, might be
thinking of when I had a Nvidia 560ti
560[04:18:43] <somiaj> b---: the firmware is used in addition to
the open driver. Some of the newer cards require it, lots of the
older ones, the firmware just provided better preformance and
possibliy 3d support.
561[04:19:04] <somiaj> so though the driver is open, it requires
closed (non-free) firmware for more features/preformance
562[04:19:35] <b---> yeah i can tell the difference now i can
select higher resolutions
563[04:19:43] <b---> not sure what was going on out of the box
565[04:20:04] <Logg> it used to be the default to show boot
process, but the powers that be decided it was prettier to put a
splash screen by default.
566[04:21:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1529
567[04:21:17] <somiaj> I don't think a splash screen is
default, none of my installs have one. But they are all
'quiet' and don't produce much output
568[04:22:29] <tp43_> Logg, it worked, it got wide, but not wide
enough
569[04:22:36] <b---> brb
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571[04:23:50] <Logg> tp43_, keep hacking at it. make sure you
use the correct resolution in your gtf line, and there might be some
setting in the monitor to adjust overscan etc
572[04:24:43] <tp43_> How can I find my screen's
dimensions?
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629[05:08:30] <WoC> :P dang it... Somehow, i can not get X11
working on my hybrid sht graphics, intel+nvidia, is there a debian
setup script of some sort ?
759[06:43:57] <Resilience> hello to eeryone, I have old versions
of lxqt, mate, and so on desktops (for trying) now I want to remove
them but it seems taht thre are no packes taht purge those desktops,
what is going wrong= what can I do= tasksel does not recognize
desktops installed
763[06:45:10] <GreatEmerald> Is there a way to have apt actually
tell the reason why it can't install a package straight away,
instead of saying "Depends: <something> but it is not
going to be installed"
766[06:50:44] <iflema> GreatEmerald: what sources do you have in
sources.list? have yoaltered theM? It may be going to drag in too
much and/or require a major upgrade to distro or toolchain as is
778[06:55:46] <SlidingHorn> GreatEmerald: you may have better
luck in #debian-next on oftc.net - that's where support for
testing & sid is
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780[06:56:15] <GreatEmerald> Hm, I see
781[06:56:43] <SlidingHorn> GreatEmerald: that being said, the
"Depends:" message you reference is what tells you whats
missing
782[06:57:43] <GreatEmerald> SlidingHorn: It's not missing,
it just depends on something else, which depends on something else,
which depends on something else
784[06:58:58] <GreatEmerald> And if I try to walk the tree with
apt install, at some points I can install some of the dependencies,
but they don't get marked as automatic
839[07:40:47] <Tywin> Where are the additional hooks for
update-initramfs stored? A lot of useless bullshit keeps getting
added to it and I can't figure out where the hell they're
coming from
851[07:49:27] <werkIt> hey there. im trying to install debian 9
to my macbook pro late 2012. im having issues with my network
driver. its not allowing me to select the b43 option from the
network. and when i use a direct connectiong i get dhcp erros....
ive tried copying the files for the drivers onto a usb but im having
issues with compatibility. im untable to apt get or with the nelist
iso
865[07:59:52] <somiaj> werkIt: broadcom requires some extra
care. Do you have a wired connection you can use, if so there are
packages in contrib and non-free you can use to get the firmware
needed for the wifi card.
875[08:05:40] <somiaj> werkIt: personally I would deal with
getting the card to work after the install (not during the install).
And note that the firmware is not directly provided by debian, only
scripts to download it or cut it out of the windows driver.
876[08:07:09] <kot> because of broadcom legal restrictions?
882[08:08:14] <somiaj> the two basic options are us the b43
driver, debian provides scripts which downloads the windows driver
from broadcom, cuts the firmware out of and copies it into place.
The other is to use their wl-driver, which requires using tools to
download and build the driver against your kernel
883[08:08:16] <werkIt> no network connection and its only
terminal GNOME DNE
887[08:09:38] <werkIt> how would i get the script onto the
installation without internet
888[08:09:50] <werkIt> it seems the wl-driver is the only option
then/
889[08:09:53] <werkIt> ?*
890[08:10:07] <somiaj> if you don't have a secondary
network connection (even a usb dongle) you can use, then you have to
manually cut the firmare out, using b43-fwcutter (for the bcm 43xx
cards)
891[08:10:33] <somiaj> you will have to copy it over to the
machine using some physical medium like a usb or cd. And you may
ahve to download a few packages.
892[08:10:48] <somiaj> it is kinda a pain if you don't have
a network connection and can use the scripts to automate it.
893[08:11:46] <werkIt> any suggestions on fixing the DHCP
connection error then?
894[08:11:56] <werkIt> also i appreciate your help thank you
895[08:12:11] <somiaj> is ipv6 the only option you have
avaiable, I don't know ipv6 that well.
896[08:12:43] <werkIt> i dont believe so, but thats the the auto
installer was looking for to configure
897[08:12:57] <somiaj> well do you have any info about your
wired card in /etc/network/interfaces
898[08:12:58] <werkIt> i do believe there is a way to manually
install ?
899[08:15:25] <werkIt> mmmm there isnt one? i use an external
usb to eth plug in
907[08:19:58] <werkIt> hmm my wired connection is located in a
roommates room who seems to be locked away and unresponsibive so i
cant connect atm. any way you just list or link me to list of
cmds/process to troubleshoot the conenction?
912[08:21:40] <somiaj> provided debian recongizes your wired
connection its name will show up in 'ip a', from there get
the name and put the line 'iface <name> inet dhcp'
in /etc/network/interfaces, where <name> is the name of the
interface from ip a
913[08:22:04] <somiaj> after that run, 'ifup
<name>' and it should bring it up, provided there is a
dhcp server that will respond.
915[08:22:30] <somiaj> after that edit /etc/apt/sources.list,
configure the deb.debian.org sources, make sure to include contrib
and non-free, then apt update, after that install the desired script
or wl driver packages.
922[08:25:34] <werkIt> i seriously appreciate the help. i wish i
could troubleshoot it atm .. what a bummer that this is such a
problem everything abt the mac os has been an issue from having to
erase the drive and remap partitions to the firmware stuff!
923[08:25:49] <werkIt> sigh. will get this to work tho thanks
for the help!
999[09:34:53] <shtrb|laptop> I'm so not into rebuilding a
package with some extra compile option just to enable one feature
(build needs at least 8 GB of disk space and god knows how much to
time build)
1000[09:36:20] <hypn0> says at end =50 works well enough for me.
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1001[09:37:13] <shtrb|laptop> hypn0, you have actually tried
creating the file and entered an https site and seen the key flushed
to the file ?
1002[09:37:31] <hypn0> no
1003[09:38:37] <shtrb|laptop> you said "works well enough
for you", so I assumed you tested it (because I'm getting
different results = key is not flushed)
1004[09:39:01] <hypn0> I said in comments at the end
1014[09:47:56] <somiaj> shtrb|laptop: have you checked if this
feature is enabeled in the experimental package? If not, maybe you
need to file a bug with debian about it, sounds like a wishlist bug
to me.
1015[09:48:41] <shtrb|laptop> hmmm installing a package from
experimental (that sound fun) , I will check , thanks
1016[09:49:07] <somiaj> if running stable, double check the
depends are staisfied in jessie.
1017[09:49:12] <shtrb|laptop> somiaj, I thought someone else
already packages something (and I just failed to find it)
1018[09:49:12] <somiaj> sorry I mean stretch
1019[09:49:45] <somiaj> but here you can see if the new esr60 has
that feature, and that would probably be your best bet of getting it
into stable
1026[09:53:08] <space_race> Asking because I'm not sure
where to check what version will be included in new stable
1027[09:53:09] <somiaj> space_race: security will eventually
provided it once the current esr is no longer supported and there
are security issues
1028[09:53:32] <somiaj> oh the new stable, I totally expect esr60
to be provided via scurity for stretch and in buster.
1029[09:53:43] <somiaj> since support ends for esr52 in august
1030[09:54:30] <space_race> Yea the new stable (not the current
one)
1031[09:54:51] <space_race> If it does get included in the new
stable, I might just go back down to Stable
1032[09:55:01] <space_race> when it comes out
1033[09:56:08] <somiaj> that doesn't make much sense to me,
but anyways, by the time buster is released, it will have esr60. And
eventaully stretch will have it too.
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1035[09:57:00] <Logg> "the new stable" is buster, and
won't be released for a long time (years). if you want the
latest hottest hippest firefox, read here:
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1037[10:00:44] <space_race> Im on Unstable at the moment
1038[10:01:32] <space_race> I could just stay in stable and use
Logg's link, but it's easier to just be on stable and apt
install firefox
1039[10:02:05] <space_race> Plus, the new stable wont come out
until next year or something, right?
1040[10:02:34] <shtrb|laptop> somiaj, checked 60 on a different
machine - does not have that option enabled :-(
1041[10:02:59] <somiaj> then I would file a wishlist bug to the
debian bts
1042[10:03:28] <Logg> space_race, Debian stretch just came out a
couple months ago. Eventually ESR 60 will enter it, but if
you're "waiting", it's a long wait.
1175[12:16:29] <somethinginteres> Hi all, has anyone had luck
getting Spotify to run on Debian testing? Instructions on
spotify.com are not working for me.
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1198[12:38:11] <somethinginteres> AndreasLutro: noted. Thanks.
The instructions for adding their repo directly don't seem to
work for me "could not resolve <url>" on apt-get
update will give the flatpak a go
1213[12:42:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is see there is: ip a
1214[12:42:41] <AndreasLutro> I already use a combination of apt,
flatpak, appimages, and custom scripts to download or compile
programs that aren't available or recent enough in apt. any
effort to consolidate this sort of thing is welcome to me
1260[13:11:15] <somethinginteres> shtrb|laptop: yep, saw that
today. I am not exactly comfortable with it. On the upside the apps
got removed from the store.
1261[13:12:32] <Tegu> well, that's not specific to snap. it
could happn on any distribution system without quality assurance
1262[13:12:56] <Tegu> like some random extrnal repos
1356[14:28:51] <brad[]> Hi all, something I've never quite
understood about apt - removal of dependencies along with the
package seems unpredictable (likely it's following a logic
I'm unaware of)
1357[14:29:18] <brad[]> Example: apt install qemu-system-ppc from
a base install will add 66 packages, and apt autoremove
qemu-system-ppc will remove 63
1371[14:32:28] <brad[]> So I could conceivably configure apt to
avoid installing recommends at all, though the moment I do install
recommended packages I have to deal with that again
1372[14:32:29] <alkisg> You can grep apt history.log and find the
packages installed, and copy them to the purge command
1383[14:36:44] <brad[]> Silly question but if it's a
recommended package and multiple packages recommend it, why
wasn't it installed by the first package that recommended?
1394[14:40:49] <alkisg> space_race: there; but really, don't
do that:
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1395[14:41:36] <space_race> TinkerTiger: I only choose the
standard linux tool or whatever it's called in the installer,
and build it from there manually
1398[14:43:24] <TinkerTiger> I only play with mainline because
that's what I teach, well that and Raspbian.
1399[14:43:40] <brad[]> I was under the impression recommended
packages weren't critical to functionality, so I'd hope to
be able to be unconcerned with their removal
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1414[14:46:56] <space_race> The image preview function was
missing from dolphin, took me a couple weeks to notice and realise
the library was under recommend and I didnt install it
1417[14:48:53] <FinalX> Required = absolutely necessary for the
program to function normally. Recommended = You really want these
for the full or better experience. Suggested = not necessary at all,
but nice to have.
1418[14:49:09] <FinalX> s/nice to have/might be nice to have/
1432[14:52:24] <brad[]> So the scenario I'm in is: I've
got a minimal install of 9.4 going, I apt installed aptitude and
then apt installed qemu-system-ppc - not all rdependencies of
qemu-system-ppc are removed as they're presumably recommended
by aptitude as well? If so, and recommends are installed by default,
why weren't they installed during the installation of aptitude?
1434[14:53:04] <brad[]> I'm making assumptions there though.
Because I'm not sure the dependencies are remaining behind
because they're wanted in some way by aptitude
1441[14:54:55] <brad[]> But I suspect I'm on the right track
because adding 'APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant
"false"; |
1442[14:54:55] <brad[]> APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant
"false";' does remove all the packages installed by
both (if I remove both)
1443[14:54:56] <FinalX> TinkerTiger: For the record, Yum, as
opposed to APT, only has _one_ type of dependency and no way of
excluding "recommended", or "suggested", because
it simply doesn't have something like that. Not sure what
package manager you'd be referring to with your "rest of
the world uses optional". But, this is pretty much the world
out there.
1444[14:55:09] <brad[]> alkisg: alright
1445[14:55:44] <brad[]> FinalX: Yeah I'm coming from yum/dnf
principally where there is only that one dependency concept
1446[14:55:54] <FinalX> Also, "recommended" and
"suggested" are *both* optional packages, so using
"optional" would be impossible, because it'd mean
both of those types. Hence the distinction. In the dictionary,
however, all 3 terms are much older, even.
1447[14:55:58] <brad[]> so this adds some interesting flair
1448[14:56:21] <TinkerTiger> FinalX, I live in the real world.
People don't usually say that fries are recommended with your
burger, but it is one of many options. ;)
1449[14:57:01] <space_race> Perhaps suggest could be optional ,
and recommends could be important
1450[14:57:15] <brad[]> If I remove both packages WITHOUT those
options configured, even more dependencies remain behind, so the
mystery deepens. Is the base system also installed with recommends?
1451[14:57:46] <brad[]> If not, can I sweep through and install
them all?
1452[14:58:01] <TinkerTiger> I have found this discussion helpful
though. Just illustrates why I was going to start my next class in
Spanish.
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1513[15:46:18] <tomreyn> hi. i'd like to install debian 9
with gpt partition tables. it appears the netinstall iso will
default to msdos partiton tables and there is no (or none that i
spotted) way to use gpt instead. how should i proceed?
1514[15:46:38] <babilen> gpt is used in uefi mode, IIRC
1519[15:48:09] <babilen> At least every single box I installed in
the last couple of years that was booted with UEFI has GPT
1520[15:48:40] <tomreyn> thanks babilen. is there a way to use
gpt in legacy bios (CSM) mode?
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1522[15:49:09] <babilen> Not that I know of, you have standard
busybox tools available to you though and should be able to create
it prior to partitioning
1523[15:49:47] <xormor> what is GPT?
1524[15:49:53] <babilen> dpkg: gpt
1525[15:49:53] <dpkg> GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk
partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the
Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's
<fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>.
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1526[15:50:10] <dvs> Can't it be partitioned in GPT before
the install?
1527[15:50:14] <babilen> Sure
1528[15:50:45] <babilen> That is essentially what I alluded to
earlier ...
1556[16:02:18] <GreatEmerald> So how does multiarch work? If I
try to install anything from amd64, it tries to install libc6:amd64,
which needs libgcc1, which needs gcc-8-base, which tries to
uninstall everything
1594[16:19:04] <epergny> I'm running stretch on a machine
back since when stretch was still in alpha. Is there anything I need
to do have a "non alpha" stretch besides the usual
"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"?
1605[16:22:28] <epergny> hmmm so to go from "stretch
alpha" to "stretch" I need to dist-upgrade. That
seems a bit weird but I should know better by now.
1614[16:26:00] <GreatEmerald> But I have ca-certificates
installed, so why would it report failures?
1615[16:26:03] <shtrb|work> does lsusb webcam width/height
influence vlc or any other player ? (v4l2 report 640x480 but lsusb
report 1028x720 but vlc only read as 640x480)
1633[16:35:21] <`whoami`> Hello, I'm trying to set up a
minimal X server to watch some movies on my TV, I've got my X
environment loaded (i3-wm is starting just fine), but when I ssh to
that machine and try DISPLAY=:0 somecommand, I get "Can't
open display :0"; when I physically go to that machine and do
echo $DISPLAY it echoes :0.0 - I also tried DISPLAY=:0.0 thecommand,
same error - do you have any clue ?
1635[16:36:25] <`whoami`> I worked just fine few moments ago, but
I had to uninstall a lot of stuff to save space (it's a 2Gb
disk drive...); so I probably removed something
"important", but can't figure out what
1645[16:39:14] <epergny> `whoami`: yup, damn, what? it's
working now?
1646[16:39:17] <`whoami`> you're right, I'm not running
the x session as the same user /o\
1647[16:39:41] <`whoami`> apologies... that's so obvious now
:D
1648[16:39:58] <epergny> `whoami`: warning, it's not secure
but "xhost +localhost" or even "xhost +" and,
while trooblesohoting, you may want to remove "--no-listen
tcp" to
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1663[16:43:50] <epergny> shtrb|work: zero clue. And while
we're off-topic, I'm nearly 100% positive that playing a
1080p encoded movie on my 720p projector gives better results (less
encoding artefacts) than the same movie encoded in 720p.
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1670[16:46:26] <shtrb|work> I'm thinking about strapping an
arduino to do record 5 seconds , save file , transfer as mass media
, find a way to merge files and play :-(
1672[16:48:22] <epergny> shtrb|work: at least @ 640x480 movie
files aren't going to be too big. Family here keeps taking
short movies with their fancy smartphones in kinda hi-def format and
because I'm the computer guy "I have to make sure to
backup all these little family movies".
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1704[16:55:44] <codydh> Hello! I just installed Debian on my
MacBook Pro and also installed GNOME. I'm currently showing
~29W on powertop with only Terminal and Polair open. The Tunables
section lists a bunch of things that are configured in a
"bad" state. Are there any 'easy' steps I can
take to improve this? Packages I can install?
1705[16:55:49] <epergny> shtrb|work: I should use that to do
something else: put one audio CD in the drive, rip it to FLAC for
posterity, put the next one in. Then rip all my CDs from the 80s and
90s.
1718[16:57:34] <codydh> shtrb|work: My impression is that it was
about configurations? I have things like "NMI watchdog should
be turned off" and "VM writeback timeout"
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1722[16:59:22] <shtrb|work> nmi is usefull during lockups (if you
had any, it will unlock you)
1723[16:59:30] <epergny> shtrb|work: audio CDs were succesful and
seen everywhere before data CDs were a thing (as far as I remember
my teenage years).
1724[17:00:08] <shtrb|work> codydh, I don't have a mac and I
have no idea what that could do to your laptop
1725[17:00:09] <codydh> shtrb|work: Sure, point taken, I guess
I'm just wondering if there's any more broad optimization
I could do. I seem to recall seeing mention (perhaps for some other
distribution) of installing a package with power tweaks or
something.
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1735[17:02:47] <epergny> r3: ah you! Yup I know it's boring:
got the same issue. How long would you say it takes on average to do
a 100% bit-perfect accurate rip of one CD?
1736[17:02:49] * r3 veers way off topic, gets a grip, comes back
1737[17:03:09] <shtrb|work> Vinyl and casts for the masses !
1738[17:03:09] <r3> hmmm - 21 minutes?
1739[17:03:14] <epergny> r3: it's not OT. It's a major
SNAFU to get accurate rips to work correctly on Debian.
1740[17:03:31] <r3> which is why I used EAC in Windows :\
1741[17:03:32] <GreatEmerald> This seems to be something related
to Qtqt
1742[17:03:38] <epergny> r3: unless you run EAC in a Windows
VM...
1743[17:03:42] <GreatEmerald> Hm, what is responsible for SSL
cert validation in Qt?*
1744[17:03:45] <epergny> which is kinda... weird.
1745[17:03:58] <epergny> r3: oh ok, 21 minutes not too bad. I was
thinking it was more like one hour.
1746[17:04:17] <r3> and I think you want EAC to be able to talk
to the CDROM hardware directly (I thought it does) rather than a
driver that is one step removed
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1748[17:04:38] <epergny> r3: see, you should have build that
robotic arm that shtrb|work linked to! : )
1749[17:04:43] <r3> epergny: I am totally guessing, I could try
it now - I have EAC installed and a CD around somewhere
1750[17:05:08] <r3> not an hour, not any more, with faster PCs.
If it is really scratched, maybe takes a lot of time due to retries
1751[17:05:12] <epergny> r3: talk to the CD hardware directly for
speed or for correctness? For correctness as long as you've
found the offset and use the accurate rip DB, you know if your rip
is correct or not right?
1765[17:08:55] <shtrb|work> why not a usb or pxe ?
1766[17:09:12] <r3> I think with EAC you can go faster with less
error correction/compression or slower with more error
correction/compression. I would really have to look. It has been
some time. Of course, my collection still exists on hundreds of CDs
that I haven't gotten to yet
1774[17:09:57] <epergny> shtrb|work: I like the
write-once-then-it-s-read-only thinggy. I do verify the .iso 's
cryptographic checksum then I re-create the .iso from the disk to be
sure the checksum is correct. That I like.
1775[17:10:35] <epergny> shtrb|work: something I don't like
is, for example, when I "dd" a Raspbian image to a
Micro-SD card and then the simple act of plugging the SD card on an
OS X computer modifies the content of the SD card.
1776[17:10:39] <codydh> shtrb|work: Anything in particular I
should be concerned about? I thought the damage prevention logic was
mostly OS-agnostic?
1783[17:11:47] <epergny> r3: not on micro SD like those that go
into Raspberry Pi I think.
1784[17:11:49] <r3> (and also look for a setting on the OS X to
knock that shit off)
1785[17:11:55] <shtrb|work> codydh, battery will stop you at X C
but that will force you to replace it , working on above a thershold
reduce battery life
1787[17:12:16] <r3> epergny: I had luck using an adapter from the
microSD to SD that had the write-protect tab)
1788[17:12:22] <epergny> r3: I mean, I could... But what I meant
is: with a write-once CD (or DVD), you're sure...
1789[17:12:28] <codydh> shtrb|work: I gotcha. Yeah, this does
seem a bit fraught, I'm barely doing anything on this machine
and it's definitely running much warmer than it does on macOS.
1793[17:13:26] <shtrb|work> Check thermald (read the docs before
installing !)
1794[17:13:32] <epergny> r3: but the "OS X modifies the
content of the SD card just by plugging it in"... It took me
hours to understand what was going on. I was sure I was getting
"MITM" attacked at first. Not understanding why checksum
would never match when I tried to read it back : )
1795[17:13:55] <r3> I have thousands of CDs (all classical) that
I still have yet to rip.
1796[17:13:55] <codydh> shtrb|work: Will do, thank you!
1797[17:14:01] <epergny> r3: wow!
1798[17:14:17] <epergny> r3: you bought them all new or acquired
them used?
1799[17:14:20] <shtrb|work> r3, and do you check they didn't
rot or something ?
1800[17:14:23] <r3> most are rare or hard to find imports. All
new.
1802[17:14:55] <r3> shtrb|work: they're in a cool dry dark
place, and last time I looked (several years ago) they were just
fine.
1803[17:14:56] <epergny> shtrb|work: when you rip them with
modern software rippers, the rips are automatically with an online
DB of other people who did rip them too. So if you're rip is
100% bit-perfect / accurate, you know it.
1805[17:15:18] <r3> epergny: that's the problems with a lot
of these, that they don't exist in those databases
1806[17:15:31] <epergny> shtrb|work: and it's a major PITA
to do because the labels didn't want CD audio to ever be
perfectly ripped.
1807[17:15:38] <shtrb|work> I'm not saying anything about
the rip, I'm talking about cds and other media rot (litterly
rot)
1808[17:16:13] <epergny> r3: so start filling the DB! : )
1809[17:16:13] <shtrb|work> physical decomposition and material
damage (hope it's more clear)
1810[17:16:50] <epergny> shtrb|work: these rippers do try many
fancy things when there's rot. I can literally take from 1x to
10x the time in case a part of the CD is hard to read.
1811[17:16:50] <webunicorn> who uses CDs anyway? :P
1812[17:16:58] <webunicorn> ExactAudioCopy (EAC) is nice
1813[17:17:04] <r3> what's putting me off ripping all of
them is that I want to preserve the CD jackets. So I got a nice
scanner, but that is SO time consuming!!
1814[17:17:13] <epergny> webunicorn: not many, that's why we
try to rip them to 100% bit-perfect FLAC files ; )
1815[17:17:30] <epergny> r3: I bet so!
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1817[17:17:36] <shtrb|work> I think in few years we could rip
them using imaging software
1818[17:17:44] <epergny> r3: in any case, don't throw them
away once you're done : )
1819[17:17:44] <webunicorn> r3: couldn't you ask nicely the
manufacturer or distributor for a nice original PDF of that jacket?
1836[17:21:49] <epergny> webunicorn: they're outdated kinda
in the same way old books are outdated. And ripping audio CDs is not
unlike scanning and archiving old books. There's data on these
CDs and some people want to preserve that.
1837[17:22:02] <dgriffi> musicbrainz does a nice job of
preserving cover art and the like
1838[17:22:13] <webunicorn> epergny: yes, this is good! preserve
everything you can, what goes into internet should stay there
forever
1839[17:22:15] <shtrb|work> There was a news story that people
would need to prove they are over 18
1841[17:22:58] <epergny> also I'm pretty sure there are
stupid regulations / legislation left and right mandating the use of
CDs/DVDs in certain cases. The medical world is full of such silly
requirements/rules/legislation.
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1843[17:24:28] <r3> let's see, a quick look at the database,
I have 3437 CDs that haven't been burned.
1844[17:25:02] <epergny> r3: man seriously? Just wow. I've
got like 200 altogether. Respect!
1845[17:25:32] <epergny> r3: at 10 per day you're done in
less than a year!
1846[17:25:46] <r3> that's one way to look at it, epergny -
I hadn't thought of that.
1847[17:26:01] <epergny> r3: so I take it you've got quite
the stereo amp/speakers right?
1871[17:38:46] <somiaj> GreatEmerald: isn't that the libary
you made a custom version of? It was pointed out to you that x32
really isn't supported here.
1873[17:39:28] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, did you check they
valid ?
1874[17:39:44] <GreatEmerald> somiaj: That was not QtNetwork, no
1875[17:40:16] <GreatEmerald> shtrb|work: They are valid, it
errors out even on Let's Encrypt certs
1876[17:40:28] <somiaj> ahh, still anyways, you should be asking
for support in the x32 channel. That port could have issues that are
no reproducible on offical ports.
1877[17:40:47] <GreatEmerald> "
1878[17:40:47] <GreatEmerald> The issuer certificate of a locally
looked up certificate could not be found
1879[17:40:49] <GreatEmerald> "
1880[17:40:50] <epergny> r3: nice, only 9 months needed @ 10 per
day then ; )
1881[17:40:58] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, can you download one
and use openssl to verify it ? it could as simple as a CA not
trusted or intermediate missing
1882[17:41:03] <GreatEmerald> somiaj: And I'll never get a
response ;)
1894[17:42:49] <somiaj> yea, got me the first time too, hence why
contiunlly to ask questsions here is only going to add confusion,
als GreatEmerald has been told this before by other ops of the
channel.
1899[17:43:49] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, if your port did the
bad job packaging NSS/openssl/gnutls you will get intellectually
chalenged failures (so are missing data in packages)
1900[17:43:52] <somiaj> GreatEmerald: it could be somethign with
that port, it could not be, we aren't here to try to figure
that out. Please respect the policy of this channel to support
offical ports and stable.
1901[17:44:19] <shtrb|work> GreatEmerald, the easit thing I would
do would be to get the intermediate packages and the CA manually
install them and check it
1972[18:20:37] <msiism> so, this is a pretty severe bug, if you
ask me. is someone working on this or is it an upstream issue? it
completely breaks my workflow.
1984[18:26:34] <msiism> r3: ok, i've got a second laptop
with different (non-intel) graphics hardware. let me put debian 9.4
on that one as well and see if i can reproduce the problem.
1998[18:33:35] <mnuhmnuh> r3: why does "logging out of shell
on vt2 crashes X on vt1" == video driver (obviously?) to you?
i'd just as easily blame config + complexity first.
2003[18:37:27] <r3> "display turns black and the system
freezes" - from experience, it sounds like badly behaved
drivers contesting memory or attempting to clear resources that are,
in fact, being used elsewhere.
2008[18:39:27] <msiism> mnuhmnuh: no, i see nothing at all there.
but i could have a look into xorgs log files.
2009[18:40:14] <GreatEmerald> Hm, looks like in order to get
multiarch working with gcc-8-base, the release version needs to
match as well?
2010[18:40:15] <r3> you've multiple processes, protected
mode memory access (or similar) for each shell, I would think, but
then only one video resource. If the driver isn't handling the
resource sharing well, it could freak out the whole system, pointers
to addresses that have been freed, or who knows.
2011[18:41:06] <GreatEmerald> I have 8.1.0-3 and 8.1.0-1
2015[18:42:11] <epergny> msiism: are you sure it freezes or is it
just the display that's frozen? In the past, on 32 bits system,
there used to a very convenient that'd reset the display. You
could call it remotely by, say, SSH. And then it'd unfreeze the
system.
2022[18:43:36] <epergny> msiism: it's been I long time I
haven't used these because everything is so stable now but this
used to saved my days often in the past : )
2023[18:44:46] <msiism> epergny: ok, let me burn the cd for my
older laptop and then i can check that out.
2031[18:47:34] <epergny> msiism: it's been a while so I
don't remember the gory details but I'm 100% positive I
could unlock frozen X using SysMagicRQ and then resetting the GPU by
typing "in the dark" or over SSH. But, yeah, I used to run
several X sessions back in the days. I clearly remember on CRT
monitors I was running several X simultaneously at various screen
size.
2040[18:50:10] <msiism> epergny: i though, if it
"feezes", i could try to switch to an unused tty blindly,
log in as root and then run "reboot" and see what happens.
2041[18:50:14] <mnuhmnuh> epergny: geez, just get a 8gb usbkey
and "cp blah.iso /dev/sdX" - re-usable, works great.
2050[18:53:22] <msiism> epergny: i'm using cd-rw, though.
2051[18:53:23] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: so as I explained a while ago
here: I can re-create the iso from the CD/DVD I just burned and see
if the ISO matches the cryptographic checksum signed by the Debian
team.
2085[19:03:02] <mnuhmnuh> dark side haxx0rz are a myth.
they're really all off trying to flummox banks, atms, and iot,
not your cheapie 32 bit handhelp pos.
2086[19:03:31] <mnuhmnuh> s/handhelp/handheld/
2087[19:03:44] <RM982> I want to uninstall some gnome stuff I
don't use like evolution, I do apt remove evolution* and apt
says it will also remove gnome-shell, gdm3 and other unrelated
packages, why is that?
2095[19:07:01] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: only solution: only install what
you want. tell the installer to only do base system, then drag in
what you want manually; that works, but you need to know what
you're doing.
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2097[19:08:04] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: dependencies the packaging
system needs to abide by.
2098[19:08:49] <mnuhmnuh> RM982: X, then *DM + X + window mgr +
...
2107[19:11:45] <msiism> RM982: it's more a question of what
upstream and packaging make depend on what, afaik.
2108[19:12:04] <epergny> RM982: Gnome is quite the kitchen sink
IMO. I just run a tiling WM and don't bother with icons and
stuff. "apt-get install awesome awesome-extra".
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2116[19:16:11] <kot> also, uninstalling components of
metapackages can make using autoremove very dangerous. but bloated
de's like gnome and kde have their own absurd dependency
problems.
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2158[19:44:19] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: snap apps I belive are
statically linked and should work on any linux distro (that is there
design) and stretch has snapd to install them.
2159[19:44:35] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: though the actually snap
packages are not supported by debian, and if they don't work,
you'll have to report bugs to the creater of the package.
2160[19:45:29] <NetTerminalGene> i read that they found
cryptominer in ubuntu snapp store
2179[19:55:08] <msiism> r3, mnuhmnuh, epergny: testing running
two X sessions on a laptop with non-intel graphics hardware results
in exactly the behavior that has been reported in debian bug
#834270.
2182[19:55:48] <msiism> so, it seems with the intel hw, there
might be a driver bug on top if that.
2183[19:56:30] <somiaj> msiism: it is prefered you ask
testing/unstable question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2184[19:57:04] <AlexPortable> I'm trying to share a folder
(/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck..
mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty
2185[19:57:29] <msiism> somiaj: if i'm not mistaken, debian
9 is stable, isn't it?
2186[19:57:48] <somiaj> msiism: oh sorry, I thought you were
running testing.
2191[19:59:14] <epergny> msiism: or more simply: does the machine
still answer to ping
2192[19:59:22] <msiism> epergny: it only crashed X now.
2193[19:59:33] <somiaj> msiism: anyways, this seems to be a
fairly specific bug, with little info. You could try to add to it,
and due to how specific it is, it may not warnent a fix in stretch.
Does this happen if you say use gdm or some other method to launch
multiple xessions (not using startx)?
2194[19:59:35] <epergny> msiism: so you can relaunch X without
restarting the machine?
2195[20:00:26] <msiism> somiaj: tbh, i think this is actually a
relese critical bug, ind i'm indeed a bit stunned that it would
occur in a debian stable release (no offense).
2196[20:00:34] <epergny> msiism: you're scaring me now. I
don't dare to try (12 "awesome WM" workspaces here,
with lots of stuff open).
2197[20:01:21] <epergny> msiism: wait, what about VT3?
2198[20:02:01] <msiism> epergny: let me check
2199[20:02:03] <epergny> msiism: ok you got me, I'm trying
on my laptop
2200[20:02:14] <msiism> epergny: thanks
2201[20:02:43] <somiaj> msiism: I wouldn't call it an rc bug
as it only affects a rare use case, and I wouldn't want such a
bug preventing the release. Have you tried a newer kernel? And are
you using the modesetting driver or the intel driver in xorg?
2202[20:03:21] <somiaj> msiism: note, not all rc bugs can be
fixed in a reasonable amount of time, though unsure why this one
didn't get much attention, again it just might be that not many
run multiple xsessions this way.
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2207[20:03:49] <epergny> msiism: cannot reproduce. a) I start X
from VT1 b) I do (as root) "chvt 2" c) I log in to vt2
(same user account that started x) d) I exit vt2
2208[20:03:55] <epergny> msiism: this brings me back to X
2209[20:04:01] <epergny> msiism: not VT1 btw
2210[20:04:02] <mnuhmnuh> msiism: "non-intel graphics
hardware" == "nvidia", or are there alternatives? [i
avoid nvidia (not a gamer; don't need).]
2211[20:04:10] <epergny> OUCH
2212[20:04:12] <epergny> frak no
2213[20:04:23] <epergny> msiism: this brought me back to X but
it's actually frozen too!
2214[20:04:25] <epergny> msiism: wow
2215[20:04:27] <epergny> wow
2216[20:04:28] <somiaj> msiism: anyways, if you find more info
about this bug, please add to teh bug report.
2225[20:05:36] <msiism> epergny: same here with the older laptop.
just X crashed.
2226[20:05:53] <somiaj> epergny: there was a bug in
testing/unstable where even just exiting from bash caused this
issue, wonder if that is the actual culprit, and there are ways to
stop this.
2240[20:09:48] <epergny> ok apparently logging in to VT2 as any
user besides root and then typing "exit" sends me back to
a frozen X.
2241[20:10:14] <epergny> but logging to VT2 as root and then
typing "exit" leaves me at VT2, with X still fine if I
ctrl+alt+F1 to it.
2242[20:10:18] <somiaj> yea, still trying to track down the bug,
bash has a command that gets run when it exits in a tty that is the
culprit, and you can prvent this. But having trouble finding it.
2243[20:10:38] <msiism> somiaj: ok, interesting.
2244[20:10:39] <epergny> judd: I've got only one X server
running though.
2252[20:11:59] <msiism> or you could edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf
2253[20:12:04] <somiaj> !xorg root
2254[20:12:04] <dpkg> From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards
(xorg-server 1.17.3-1), the Xorg server is no longer setuid root,
reducing the risk of privilege escalation security problems. This
relies on logind and libpam-systemd and moves the logs to
~/.local/share/xorg; use the xserver-xorg-legacy package and see
Xwrapper.config(5) if you'd rather a setuid root X.
2255[20:12:42] <msiism> to contain
"needs_root_rights=yes"
2260[20:13:48] <somiaj> arg, I wish I could find the issue with
bash. There is some hook that when bash exits a tty it runs a
command that 'refreshes' the display, and this seems to
cause xorg to crash, you can disable this, but I can't find it.
2272[20:17:02] <somiaj> msiism: yea, I think the issue is
something in bash, not xorg. This was a bug talked about in debian
next a while ago, but I can't find the bug report. There is
some thing debian is doing when bash exits the tty that conficlts
with xorg
2273[20:18:13] <epergny> somiaj: I'll try changing from bash
to zsh
2280[20:18:40] <somiaj> when bash exits a tty it runs the command
/usr/bin/clear_console, and that could be the culprit.
2281[20:19:15] <msiism> somiaj: i see. thanks. now, how can this
be prevented?
2282[20:19:29] <somiaj> that that bug report says it is only with
non root xorg, I would double check that your xorg-lecagcy was
actually running xorg.
2299[20:24:28] <somiaj> maybe find what is triggering running
clear_console, or just move the binary and turn it into a script
that just runs 'exit 0'
2300[20:24:29] <r3> could alias clear_console to something else?
;)
2301[20:24:42] <msiism> somiaj: running clear_console from tty2
when running X in tty1 does not crash X (setuid root). let me check
with X run as normal user.
2302[20:24:45] <somiaj> unsure if an alais would work
2303[20:24:47] <r3> or, yeah, move it and put a script in there
2304[20:24:59] <r3> good find, well done all
2305[20:25:33] <somiaj> well I just recall this exact issue form
#debian-next, but it took me a while to find the actual cuplrit
2308[20:26:59] <msiism> also, running clear_console from tty2
when X is on tty1 and xorg is not setuid root, X does not crash.
2309[20:27:43] <epergny> or just modify ~/.bash_logout to not
call clear_console?
2310[20:27:47] <epergny> I'll try
2311[20:28:00] <somiaj> hmm, maybe it is a combo of running
clear_console during the exit, but when this issue came up before
that was what the issue was tracked down too, and as epergny pointed
out, it doesn't happen in zsh
2312[20:28:42] <msiism> somiaj: right, i might try another shell
as well. but how would i set another login shell?
2313[20:28:49] <msiism> i have csh installed.
2314[20:29:08] <somiaj> unsure the best way to set your other
login shell outside of editing /etc/passwd
2315[20:29:35] <msiism> well, i can edit that, it's no
prblem.
2316[20:30:32] <epergny> msiism: "apt-get install zsh"
then you edit /etc/passwd
2317[20:30:55] <msiism> epergny: i'm trying with csh now.
2318[20:30:57] <abrotman> chsh ?
2319[20:31:16] <msiism> c-shell
2320[20:31:19] <epergny> I just modified ~/.bash_logout to not
call clear console and apparently it stays at VT2 and doesn't
freeze X anymore
2333[20:37:24] <epergny> msiism: it's somiaj you can thank ;
)
2334[20:37:33] <msiism> somiaj: thanks.
2335[20:37:41] <epergny> somiaj: you've got a good memory
and your google-fu is strong ^ ^
2336[20:37:47] <abrotman> if you typo the shell when manually
editing, it could create a problem. chsh will ensure it's in
/etc/shells (meaning it's currently installed)
2338[20:38:18] <epergny> abrotman: msiism: ah yup what abrotman
says is right
2339[20:39:21] <AlexPortable> I'm trying to share a folder
(/opt/test/) inside a chroot, but I don't have that much luck..
mounted it with bind, but the folder just seems to be empty
2365[20:48:26] <msiism> somiaj: i'll try to reply to the bug
report from 2016 with a short version of what has been discussed
here in the next days.
2366[20:49:01] <somiaj> msiism: also maybe see if it still a
problem in buster, and follow up on the bash bugreport. I doubt
you'll see a fix in stretch, but that could help ensure it gets
fixed in buster.
2369[20:50:11] <mnuhmnuh> abrotman: i don't hate you ab, i
only hate your tyrannical side, and you've learned, which is
all i can expect from a despot. enjoy. :-)
2370[20:50:19] <somiaj> It might already be fixed in buster,
since this came up in #debian-next last year sometime, but be nice
to double check.
2371[20:50:33] <msiism> ok
2372[20:50:40] <AlexPortable> abrotman: well when i go to it
without the chroot, i can access it just fine
2373[20:51:08] <abrotman> AlexPortable: ls -la /opt/folder1/
2375[20:51:15] <somiaj> mnuhmnuh: that is just unappropriate,
espically in public. You do need to watch what you actually decide
to share in chat, and try to add to conversations, not just make
off-handed comments.
2376[20:51:43] <AlexPortable> drwxrwx--x
2377[20:52:05] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: you're way too sensitive.
2402[21:05:19] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: I like your style.
2403[21:05:59] <epergny> mnuhmnuh: also cool when installing from
CD/DVD: when it stops spinning you know there's probably some
answer to give to some question ^ ^
2640[23:58:35] <alive876_> hello, i would like to install a
package to a pen drive as my internal storage is filled, is there a
way to do this? thanks much
2644[23:59:50] <somiaj> packages are integrated into what is know
as the FHS, and things need to be put in multiple places. You should
figure out what is taking up your space and try to recover some of
the storage.