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1[00:00:12] <sney> ladderff: interesting, there was someone asking a similar question just yesterday. it might be a kernel regression. can you try with the kernel from buster-backports?
2[00:00:40] <ladderff> There's an apt package for it ?
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6[00:01:23] <sney> !buster-backports
7[00:01:24] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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11[00:01:40] <sney> ^ enable that, then 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64'
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21[00:05:11] <ladderff> sure
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23[00:05:16] <ladderff> what's the best way to
24[00:05:22] <ladderff> assess whether it's made a difference,
25[00:05:25] <ladderff> just rsync again?
26[00:05:59] <sney> yeah or however you determined there was a problem
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29[00:06:10] <ladderff> all right
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38[00:07:27] <ladderff> sney: all right, installing via apt. I'll let you knwo
39[00:07:38] <sney> ok
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41[00:08:08] <ladderff> was the other guy on a MacBook and/or using a BCM43xx ?
42[00:08:37] <sney> I think it was a mac mini, but yes it was a bcm43xx
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46[00:09:31] <rotaticus> all my non / partition are listed in fstab, with options "defaults" and that defaults to NOEXEC totally opposite to wiki.debian.org/fstab --- is that intentional?
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48[00:10:21] <rotaticus> also is / listed in fstab with defaults BUT there its exec ... WHY?
49[00:10:22] <ladderff> hm didn't this package used to _add_ a grub menu item, not just replace? anyway, booting!
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52[00:11:43] <sney> rotaticus: man mount still lists defaults as rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. there must be something else going on
53[00:12:23] <rotaticus> sney: so does the wiki, just my mtab says noexec
54[00:12:44] <sney> rotaticus: if you remount one of them (e.g. mount /foo -o remount,exec) are you able to execute from it?
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56[00:14:11] <rotaticus> sney: yes i am
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61[00:15:46] <sney> hmm.
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63[00:15:58] <sney> have you confirmed that this happens every time you boot?
64[00:16:09] <rotaticus> yes
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66[00:17:28] <ladderff> sney: booted to console
67[00:17:52] <ladderff> for whatever reason on this kernel the DM didn't make it into life.
68[00:18:25] <sney> ladderff: if you had to do anything special to get graphics before, you will have to do it again with the new kernel.
69[00:18:44] <ladderff> I didn't
70[00:19:06] <ladderff> for now just trying to get wifi up; I modprobed b43
71[00:19:12] <ladderff> but don't seem to be able to connect using wpa_cli
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74[00:19:47] <sney> huh. if you do 'dmesg |grep -i firmware' do you see any 'failed to load' errors?
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77[00:20:27] <ladderff> no, several 'loading firmware version 666.2', no failed to load
78[00:20:53] <ladderff> I get some warnings about 'PIO'
79[00:21:12] <ladderff> also wlan0: authentication with ... timed out
80[00:23:14] <sney> if you 'iw wlan0 scan' can you see the AP?
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82[00:25:19] <ladderff> no output from 'iw wlan0 scan'
83[00:25:37] <rotaticus> rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime are the default option for the non-root partitions, sorry i missed the "users" option before in the fstab
84[00:25:50] <ladderff> wpa_cli now saying network-not-found ...
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86[00:26:07] <ladderff> and actually its scan results are empty
87[00:26:12] <jhutchins> ladderff: You're working as root, right?
88[00:26:15] <ladderff> I am
89[00:26:18] <sney> well that didn't make anything better. boot back into the older kernel I suppose
90[00:26:24] <ladderff> lol
91[00:26:28] <jhutchins> r
92[00:26:30] <jhutchins> Dec. Home insurance & taxes: $5,800fkill?
93[00:26:32] <ladderff> ok now I have to go edit grub's menu
94[00:26:37] <jhutchins> rfkill?
95[00:26:42] <ladderff> or can I just remove the kernel package
96[00:26:54] <jhutchins> I hate this trackpad.
97[00:26:55] <sney> the 4.19 kernel should still be in the list
98[00:26:59] <ladderff> it's not...
99[00:27:10] <f8e4> hi folks, fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 524288
100[00:27:13] <sney> it'll be under "advanced options for debian" or whatever
101[00:27:21] <f8e4> a forum says add it, but is it safe in /etc/sysctl.conf?
102[00:27:26] <ladderff> oh ok. didn't used to nest like that, did it
103[00:27:37] <sney> I think it's been that way since jessie
104[00:27:55] <ladderff> lol fair enough. am I showing my age?
105[00:28:02] * sney shrug
106[00:28:32] <ladderff> ok booting back to 4.19
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109[00:29:29] <ladderff> what I've done so far to try to deal with this is, try b43 and wl, and make sure power management is off
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111[00:29:57] <ladderff> and just to repeat myself, no problems when it was running stretch
112[00:30:23] <ladderff> but I am not sure which driver I was using then
113[00:30:28] <ladderff> d'oh
114[00:32:08] <sney> the other guy from yesterday gave up and ordered a usb wifi adapter. I hope that's not the only option. broadcom hardware is annoying but until now it's always been possible to make it work
115[00:32:22] <ladderff> well yeah and nobody likes a regression
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117[00:33:17] <ladderff> it's my girlfriend's laptop & trying to convince her that one does
118[00:33:18] <ladderff> shit
119[00:33:20] <ladderff> wife
120[00:33:24] <ladderff> wife's laptop
121[00:33:42] <ladderff> convince her you don't need to buy a new phone every year and a new computer every 19 months
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123[00:34:59] <brokencycle> Hi! I'm having trouble with docker messing up my network. I've created a nftables configuration,
124[00:35:05] <ladderff> so I may just put stretch back on
125[00:35:44] <brokencycle> which contains a number of rules in the input chain, but when I restart the machine, they are all gone.
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127[00:36:46] <brokencycle> If I manually restart nftables, they come back. But this is highly unsatisfactory. What should I do? I'm on Buster.
128[00:36:47] <sney> ladderff: yeah, at least get back to where it's working and then you can try a slower upgrade and see where the problem is
129[00:37:01] <ladderff> yeah, ok thanks for the advice
130[00:37:25] <ladderff> I'll report back if anything enlightening happens
131[00:38:51] <sney> ok, good luck.
132[00:39:36] <pwnd_nsfw`> I remember like 10 years ago leaving my linux box in a weird spot because I had to leave it wired, not being able to figure out wifi drivers. Then I gave up on linux for some time
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135[00:40:50] <cybercrypto> pwnd_nsfw`: sorry to hear that :-)
136[00:40:59] <pwnd_nsfw`> I recently gave it another go, and now weird things abruptly happening. I think it may deal with Chrome and youtube, after resizing or doing some other window transformation actions
137[00:42:08] <pwnd_nsfw`> Actually, google won't even load proper in Firefox right now. So weird.
138[00:42:13] <pwnd_nsfw`> Definitely an OS with a personality lol
139[00:42:39] <pwnd_nsfw`> My hexchat title bar is missing half the letters
140[00:45:37] <cybercrypto> pwnd_nsfw`: please, be clear. elaborate on your first query. describe your issue, what is you are trying to achieve. debian version/ HW details, anything you believe is important for us to analize together.
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149[00:49:04] <pwnd_nsfw`> Watching youtube, multi tasking, I go to either resize, drag to another monitor, full screen, etc., it will make any Chrome window (tab or window) unresponsive to any input. iirc, even the title bar for the application was unresponsive. So, couldn't close out using the title bar as well.
150[00:49:22] <pwnd_nsfw`> It's happened twice so far, but the first time it was easy enough to just exit the application and open it up.
151[00:49:34] <pwnd_nsfw`> But always while a youtube video was playing
152[00:50:04] <pwnd_nsfw`> is when this occurs. I restarted my machine last to remedy the issue
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154[00:51:11] <pwnd_nsfw`> I have 3 monitors, using plasma, nvidia device
155[00:51:33] <pwnd_nsfw`> Actually, the first time i restarted it, I couldn't login as in... No input was being received then as well.
156[00:51:51] <pwnd_nsfw`> Mouse cursor was moving and visible in all situations I have described
157[00:52:25] <pwnd_nsfw`> When chrome would lock up, other applications were fine.
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159[00:54:49] <cybercrypto> pwnd_nsfw`: do you use nouveau module for nvidia?
160[00:56:14] <jhutchins> pwnd_nsfw`: Where did you get your chrome?
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164[01:01:16] <pwnd_nsfw`> cybercrypto, gonna say no, jhutchins downloaded from google directly
165[01:03:28] <cybercrypto> pwnd_nsfw`: what is the output of: lsmod | grep -i vid
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167[01:04:14] <cybercrypto> pwnd_nsfw`: do you have plasma + x11 or plasma + wayland?
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169[01:04:39] <oxek> are there any files in a user's home folder that should be owned by root?
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215[01:37:34] <pwnd_nsfw`> cybercrypto, sorry for being afk.
216[01:37:35] <pwnd_nsfw`> replaced-url
217[01:37:52] <pwnd_nsfw`> And I want to say x11, I don't remember picking explicitly.
218[01:38:16] <pwnd_nsfw`> Yes, I have x11
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265[02:35:23] <plt> Question: How do you get avahi# to resolve the corrrect hostname that is connecting to your server please?
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271[02:43:21] <plt> All the host connecting is resolving to my router 192.168.1.1 not good
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274[02:48:47] <plt> Is there a way to hose avahi-daemon and do it the old fashion way to resolve all the host using my ISP dns
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278[02:53:33] <abrotman> to hose?
279[02:54:12] <plt> You do not need it unless your web hosting or hosting dns for clients.
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281[02:55:02] <plt> The dns cache relies of the response from the ISP and when it expires or is flushed it gets the new informtion the individuals isp.
282[02:55:44] <plt> Shit
283[02:55:57] <plt> The dns cache relies of the response from the ISP and when dns expires or is flushed it gets the new informtion the individuals isp.
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290[02:58:08] <b1ackandwh1te> i postponed a 2 day trip.
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292[02:58:23] <abrotman> plt: do you want to disable avahi?
293[02:58:40] <plt> I think I got it.
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305[03:15:05] <plt> Question: How do get the the correct ip address to be returned when client connects to the services like dns, telnet ssh ect..
306[03:15:51] <plt> Right now the clients ip address its returning the client ip address as my router ip addres of 192.168.1.1
307[03:17:37] <plt> this is pts/2 2020-05-25 21:16 (192.168.1.1) and it should be 98.175.102.203
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309[03:18:59] <plt> avahi is not running
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404[04:56:18] <plt> I need some help
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407[04:59:18] <dvs> !ask
408[04:59:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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413[05:07:50] <plt> this is pts/2 2020-05-25 21:16 (192.168.1.1) and it should be 98.175.102.203
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415[05:14:11] <IAEON> plt ok
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417[05:14:40] <IAEON> plt thank for sharing
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422[05:20:37] <plt> How can I fix it so it reports the correct client ip address?
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424[05:23:58] <plt> Iaeon what do you mean thank for sharing. DDos attack me?
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431[05:35:04] <IAEON> fix it?
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433[05:36:25] <IAEON> plt how do you fix a landmine so it doeant blow ypur leg off and srnd you flying through the air until you hit a tree
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436[05:37:09] <IAEON> plt cut the red wire?
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438[05:38:18] <IAEON> I had something similar with bsd
439[05:38:46] <IAEON> after a whilr it fell apart
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452[06:13:55] <plt> Fix what? If you refering to the question I posted I am waiting for answer'
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597[09:36:27] <spinningcat> how can i solve this permanently? replaced-url
598[09:37:26] <jmcnaught> spinningcat: are you becoming root with "su"?
599[09:37:27] <spinningcat> this problem exists since first time i start using debian
600[09:37:35] <spinningcat> jmcnaught, yeah
601[09:37:42] <spinningcat> should i use sudo ?
602[09:37:48] <jmcnaught> spinningcat: use "su -l" or "sudo -i" instead.
603[09:37:52] <jmcnaught> !buster su
604[09:37:52] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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607[09:38:55] <spinningcat> why is that? jmcnaught
608[09:39:42] <spinningcat> i mean why su no longer overrides the path
609[09:41:11] <bomb> you can restore that behavior if you want to
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615[09:46:32] <bomb> if you want the reason, it's how 'su' from util-linux works, instead of the 'su' from shadow
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619[09:51:00] <EdePopede> so... »The su command in buster is provided by the util-linux source package, instead of the shadow source package« in fact means how i interpreted it: just using another "su", and NOT the command being transferred to another package
620[09:53:16] <bomb> yeah, it's basically a different program
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622[09:55:07] <EdePopede> message 84 gives one good reason at least replaced-url
623[09:55:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
624[09:55:35] <EdePopede> btw, i don't get bdo. why does it look like 4 in 5 messages are considered useless?
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634[10:00:53] <bomb> "toggle useless messages" only hides information messages
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636[10:02:13] <EdePopede> so a normal message creates 4 information messages?
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639[10:04:33] <bomb> I never liked the BTS' interface
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641[10:05:05] <EdePopede> with toggle i get " Information forwarded" and " Acknowledgement sent" between each 2 messages. 5 to 30 on this bug report, and then 41 to 71
642[10:05:13] <EdePopede> same here. worse than mailman.
643[10:05:41] <EdePopede> (mailman 2 actually, 3 doesn't seem to find its fans even after years, and no, i don't like it either)
644[10:06:21] <EdePopede> basically most of the attempts to transfer communication methods to the web didn't work in 2 decades.
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655[10:09:46] <bomb> on the other hand, it works as expected without JS, unlike JIRA
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662[10:13:13] <EdePopede> as far as i've seen now, JS is needed only to toggle these messages
663[10:13:25] <EdePopede> but this stepping of 5 is highly irritating
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665[10:14:01] <EdePopede> err... confusing
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696[10:46:19] <spinningcat> bomb, thanks for answer
697[10:47:52] <bomb> welcome
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776[12:14:08] <themill> EdePopede: Would you like some local javascript to hide the message number for you. That would solve the problem
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780[12:16:25] <EdePopede> themill, the numbers make it easier to keep the overview in longer threads, especially since there's no nesting in the layout. i only have to wonder every time i open the site why most of the messages are apparently missing.
781[12:17:03] <themill> they are an incrementing id. there is nothing more to it for the user
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789[12:23:30] <EdePopede> they should use 10 at least so the last digit would be reserved for these extra messages. easier to simply ignore it than to have the number suddenly ending on 1 and 6 instead of 0 and 5. consistency :)
790[12:23:44] <EdePopede> is this debbugs listed in the footer?
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794[12:25:46] <themill> internally these numbers mean something
795[12:26:37] <EdePopede> still wondering about the gap from 30 to 41
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797[12:28:40] <themill> that was where it was reassigned and the versions changed; there are lots of transactions in that
798[12:29:09] <EdePopede> and #54 is a reply to #41. this information gets lost without the tree structure
799[12:29:39] <EdePopede> yes, i see the usual 2 intermediate entries before 41, preceded by 3 other ones.
800[12:30:34] <EdePopede> but no introduction so far for the web interface, how things are and why. same for mailman btw. docs for hosters and developers, but none for users.
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833[13:05:16] <dvs> oh no!
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835[13:05:51] <BlueDolphin> RIP dpkg
836[13:05:58] <BlueDolphin> sudo dpkg -i dpkg.deb
837[13:06:32] <dvs> !wb
838[13:06:32] <dpkg> thanks, dvs. It's good to be back.
839[13:08:50] <BlueDolphin> !wb
840[13:08:50] <dpkg> thanks, bluedolphin. It's good to be back.
841[13:08:57] <BlueDolphin> !dpkg
842[13:08:57] <dpkg> rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
843[13:09:06] <BlueDolphin> !dpkg -i
844[13:09:08] <BlueDolphin> damn
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846[13:11:14] <jaggz> how can I search for files in uninstalled packages from commandline?
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848[13:12:08] <Haohmaru> you mean remaining files?
849[13:12:27] <towo^work> wohlfdata
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851[13:13:18] <jaggz> Haohmaru, remaining? No I mean a commandline equivalent to debian's website search package contents
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856[13:13:59] <Haohmaru> uh-uh then
857[13:14:10] <Haohmaru> i mean *shrug*
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886[13:42:03] <SmellyCat> On a reasonably fresh Debian 10 install, I have a kvm vm running and want to create a snapshot. With both virt-manager (via ssh) as with virsh (locally) I get the error "internal error: unable to find qemu-img". Google doesn't seem to have more than a similar question without an answer. Does anyone have a clue in which direction I should be looking? I have managed to create a snapshot before of this vm somehow... qemu-tools is
887[13:42:03] <SmellyCat> installed of course and running the "qemu-img" in a terminal results in a message suggesting to run it with "--help", so it does exist.
888[13:44:12] <BlueDolphin> Should I sign up to the Debian mailing lists?
889[13:44:21] <BlueDolphin> I've been using Debian for about 3 years now
890[13:44:47] <miskatonic> In suppose there is more than one debian mailing list
891[13:45:04] <BlueDolphin> Hmm
892[13:45:04] <BlueDolphin> replaced-url
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894[13:45:32] <BlueDolphin> Will I leak my email by signing up?
895[13:50:01] <ratrace> BlueDolphin: I'd recommend signing up to security-announce mailing list, so you get email for each DSA
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898[13:56:00] <EdePopede> BlueDolphin: apt-file
899[13:56:35] <EdePopede> argh. sorry for the highlight and good morning :D
900[13:56:48] <EdePopede> jaggz: apt-file
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906[14:01:34] <jaggz> EdePopede, thanks! :)
907[14:01:52] <jaggz> EdePopede, we wanted to wake BlueDolphi* up anyway
908[14:02:04] <jaggz> oh he/she's right there
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920[14:11:59] <KBme> Hello.
921[14:12:56] <KBme> e have a debian package archive that is secured with gpg. Now our gpg key expired yesterday. Is there a way to get a new key in and have it be updated on all the machines using that repo?
922[14:13:54] <KBme> It seems to me that since apt refuses to update repo metadata signed by the old expired key we will have to do something manually on all the machines. Is this correct?
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929[14:30:44] <cef> KBme: sounds like you'll either need to update the key files on all the machines, or delete it then add the new one. prob looking at the man page for apt-key or similar would be a good place to start. Not my forte, so sorry if that's not very helpful. :/
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944[14:47:44] <KBme> Yeah, I did think of removing it. Would that work?
945[14:47:57] <KBme> eg. have an unsigned version of the repo?
946[14:48:16] <KBme> update the -keyring package and then re-sign the repo?
947[14:51:02] <plt> this is pts/2 2020-05-25 21:16 (192.168.1.1) and it should be 98.175.102.203. How can I fix this issue please?
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950[14:54:24] <KBme> cef, this shouldn't work, though.
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952[14:54:34] <KBme> I'm sure apt pins a gpg key to a repository somehow.
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956[14:57:33] <ratrace> plt: what issue would that be? are you connecting to that ssh terminal from 192.168.1.1 ?
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962[15:00:41] <amprxc> Hello, I have a Ryzen 3600x (6 physical cores / 12 logical threads). Can I do a "make -j 12", or should I do a "make -j 6" ? Thanks
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967[15:01:55] <dvs> amprxc, I'd say -j 12
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969[15:02:43] <KBme> Yeah, maybe even -j13
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972[15:03:58] <amprxc> Ok ty ! Because I get core segfault errors when I do a "make -j 12" in vbox... That's strange
973[15:04:06] <amprxc> and my vm freezes
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976[15:05:18] <towo^work> amprxc, you have configured your vm to use how many cores?
977[15:05:20] <dvs> amprxc, you didn't mention that it was running in a VM.
978[15:05:34] <plt> I am not telneting to 192.168.1.1 that is my router ip address and I am telneting from 98.175.102.203 and it s hould be showing that ip address when I do a who command in the shell
979[15:06:36] <ratrace> plt: telnet or ssh? and what's the subnet you're connecting TO ?
980[15:06:41] <plt> ssh
981[15:06:59] <plt> 255.255.255.0
982[15:07:14] <ratrace> no that's netmask. what's the ip you're ssh'ing to?
983[15:08:23] <amprxc> towo^work KBme dvs In vbox, I always allocate the maximum cpu cores I can : 6. If I put more cores, vbox says : invalid parameter. So I guess this parameter is for the physical cores. Isn't it ?
984[15:08:27] <plt> I am ssh to sbbs.dynu.net
985[15:08:38] <ratrace> plt: you can censor it for all I care, I was just interested in the subnet of it, whether it's in routable or non-routable, ie. what _exctly_ are you trying to do there
986[15:08:42] <zer0sh3ll> ignore what vbox says
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988[15:08:55] <ratrace> plt: what's the IP
989[15:08:58] <towo^work> amprxc, it does not make many sence, to give the vm all pyhysicakl cores
990[15:09:01] <amprxc> I mean logical cores*
991[15:09:28] <towo^work> amprxc, and then you shouldn't wonder, if it does not work as expected
992[15:10:12] <plt> I am using vpn network ssh to 98.175.102.203 and on the whois is showing the client ip address as 192.168.1.1
993[15:10:51] <towo^work> amprxc, if you set the vm to 6 cores, the vm can handle 6 threads
994[15:11:11] <plt> The correct ip address is should be showing is 69.x.x.x
995[15:11:12] <amprxc> towo^work why doesn't it make sense ? My host (windows) tells that the cpu is never used more than 30% even when I have 4 or 5 VMs running
996[15:11:14] <towo^work> so no wonder, the vm chrashes, if you try 12 threads
997[15:11:36] <ratrace> plt: not if you're over VPN
998[15:12:22] <plt> That is correct
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1000[15:12:42] <amprxc> towo^work I already tried to allocate less cores (like 2 or 4), and the VM still freezes. Then I don't think the number of cores I allocate to the vm is the problem
1001[15:13:49] <ratrace> plt: righ, so no problem there.
1002[15:14:15] <plt> It should be showing the correct ip address on the client when you type who
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1004[15:16:05] <plt> This is incorrect plt pts/1 2020-05-26 09:15 (192.168.1.1) it should be
1005[15:16:18] <plt> This is incorrect plt pts/1 2020-05-26 09:15 ( 98.175.102.203) it should be
1006[15:17:27] <plt> Question: It was working with Debian 6 did the developers break something in Version 10?
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1008[15:17:57] <peb`> what VPN software are you using?
1009[15:18:07] <peb`> and what software were you using under debian 6?
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1011[15:19:12] <plt> Debian Verion 6 or 7 was working fine until I re-installed 10.
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1013[15:19:42] <nyov> how do I get a simple list of all the parent PIDs of a PID? (as given by pstree -p -s <pid>)
1014[15:20:03] <ratrace> plt: 192.168.1.1 is the other endpoint of your vpn, ie. the actual address the packets are coming from. wh is 98.175... your router's public IP?
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1017[15:20:48] <plt> The router is not a public ip address. 192.168.1.1 is always private
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1020[15:22:27] <plt> The 98.175 is my public statis ip address. Anything comming in to the network should be showing the correct public ip address and nt reporting as being connected from 192.168.1.1 which is my router. My router is configured to use my static ip address.
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1022[15:25:00] <plt> For example lets say a client was ssh to my server from 67.12.12.12 it be like this Internet ----> 98.175.102.203 ---> Router 192.168.1.1.1 ------> Linux box ---> when typing who it should look like this Username pts/1 2020-05-26 09:15 ( pts/1 2020-05-26 09:15 (192.168.1.1)
1023[15:25:01] <plt> )
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1025[15:26:10] <expon> plt: it's something that's changed about your network configuration
1026[15:26:48] <expon> tcp addresses originate from a single source+port pair, you've probably been subject to NAT inside your network
1027[15:26:54] <plt> I just did the standard install download the iso, burned it to the iso then placed the cd in the computer turned the computer on and let it ruo
1028[15:26:58] <plt> I just did the standard install download the iso, burned it to the iso then placed the cd in the computer turned the computer on and let it rip
1029[15:27:00] <expon> it's nothing to do with the install
1030[15:27:07] <expon> nothing to do with debian at all
1031[15:27:39] <expon> most likely your router has been switched from modem to routing mode, or you've accidentally switched your internal IP to an RFC1918 one
1032[15:27:55] <ratrace> plt: again, not over VPN. if your router is one endpoint of the VPN and it's using the 192.168.0.0/16 subnet, that's what you're going to get
1033[15:28:03] <plt> Its not te router because all the other applications are working fine.
1034[15:28:11] <expon> that doesn't mean anything plt
1035[15:28:17] <ratrace> that's the whole point of a VPN, to bridge two subnets over public internet
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1037[15:28:47] <plt> Lets forget aout the vpn. I was using that was a example. I am not using vpn right now.
1038[15:28:57] <ratrace> ie. it is very much possible to use "non-routable" RFC subnets, over VPN
1039[15:29:14] <plt> I am not using vpn right now.
1040[15:29:36] <ratrace> plt: alright, so you ssh to a server using public IPs?
1041[15:29:36] <expon> plt: what does `ip r get 1.2.3.4` give you on the commandline?
1042[15:29:47] <expon> (from the machine that is experiencing a weird 'w' entry)
1043[15:30:26] <plt> inet 192.168.1.242 netmask 255.255.255.0
1044[15:31:06] <expon> that's not what that command returns in any way lol, but see how it shows an IP address on 192.168.1.0/24
1045[15:31:14] <expon> that means your router is NATing inbound traffic to that address
1046[15:31:15] <ratrace> indeedy.
1047[15:31:26] <expon> which is why you see your router's IP in `w`
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1051[15:31:46] <plt> What command line did you want me to type n?
1052[15:31:49] <expon> if you're certain the machine should have a public IP, switch your router to 'modem' or 'bridge' mode, that's about the best you'll get
1053[15:31:50] <plt> sorry
1054[15:31:55] <expon> `ip r get 1.2.3.4`
1055[15:31:56] <plt> What command line did you want me to type in?
1056[15:32:05] <expon> this reports your default route, what interface, its IP
1057[15:32:13] <expon> which will be an RFC1918 address
1058[15:32:16] * expon bets
1059[15:32:21] <ratrace> plt: is this where you're trying to ssh INto LAN from outside (WAN)?
1060[15:32:21] <plt> ip r
1061[15:32:21] <plt> default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp0s7 proto dhcp metric 100
1062[15:32:21] <plt> 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp0s7 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.242 metric 100
1063[15:33:02] <expon> nyov: the nicest option these days is `systemctl status pid`
1064[15:33:14] <expon> or if it's running as your (regular) user, `systemctl --user status pid`
1065[15:33:23] <expon> that will tell you the unit it's contained within and show the associated process tree
1066[15:33:34] <expon> or, are you looking to script this?
1067[15:33:38] <plt> Is that the command line you wanted me to type in?
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1069[15:33:56] <expon> plt: yes, and you can see what I said is on the output
1070[15:34:06] <k3tan> hi i just sudo apt update, it updated my nvidia drivers, i rebooted, but now the GUI isn't popping up
1071[15:34:18] <ratrace> plt: is this where you're trying to ssh INto LAN from outside (WAN)?
1072[15:34:36] <ratrace> k3tan: apt upgrade, you mean?
1073[15:34:36] <expon> k3tan: please have a quick look at the end of your journal `sudo journalctl -ae` and see if there are obvious errors
1074[15:34:43] <k3tan> sorry yes upgrade
1075[15:34:58] <expon> k3tan: there are lots of things that can go wrong with graphical drivers, have a quick look around there and see if you can give us something error-y :p
1076[15:35:10] <plt> What are you asking me to do?
1077[15:35:13] <k3tan> i think it's in the nvidia persistence daemon
1078[15:35:19] <zer0sh3ll> are you using lightdm?
1079[15:35:20] <k3tan> that's failing on boot
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1081[15:35:27] <k3tan> im using x11
1082[15:35:29] <expon> plt: nothing, your network is configured as normal
1083[15:35:30] <k3tan> is that lightdm?
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1085[15:35:38] <expon> plt: if you want something different, you must reconfigure your network, not Debian
1086[15:35:40] <ratrace> plt: it's a very simple question, are you SSH'ing IN from WAN to LAN, or OUT from LAN to WAN ?
1087[15:35:41] <k3tan> gdm3
1088[15:35:55] <plt> Outside the network
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1090[15:35:58] <expon> k3tan: do you have any example messages from it?
1091[15:35:58] <ratrace> plt: because the NAT'ing expon suggested would make sense if you SSH'd in, and your router does NAT
1092[15:36:20] <expon> k3tan: check the output of `systemctl status nvidia-persistenced`
1093[15:36:24] <k3tan> well i can't see it, it just boots up and disappears
1094[15:36:25] <ratrace> plt: okay, so what's teh IP address you're SSH-ing to? first two parts suffices
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1098[15:37:00] <ratrace> k3tan: put systemd.unit=multi-user.target on your kernel command line via grub, boot into text mode and pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1099[15:37:02] <miskatonic> gdm3 is a rwesource hog par excellence, similar to sddm
1100[15:37:11] <plt> Hold on. I will be right back
1101[15:37:49] <k3tan> Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user 120 has read and write permissions for those files.
1102[15:38:04] <zer0sh3ll> i had the same problem with gdm on fedora
1103[15:38:13] <k3tan> Failed to query NVIDIA devices.
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1106[15:39:08] <expon> k3tan: what does `sudo modprobe nvidia` give you?
1107[15:39:20] <jak2000> hi all, i want try find files: jinvmanz*.war created in this time: march 2020 any file in this month year, how to do?
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1110[15:40:57] <k3tan> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-9-amd64
1111[15:40:59] <k3tan> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:979 command_do() Error running install command for nvidia
1112[15:41:02] <k3tan> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted
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1114[15:41:43] <k3tan> could there be something to do with signing kernel modules?
1115[15:41:52] <k3tan> i think i saw that as something?
1116[15:42:32] <expon> k3tan: oh, are you using secureboot?
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1118[15:42:40] <k3tan> possibly
1119[15:42:42] <k3tan> but i can't disable it
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1122[15:42:52] <k3tan> how do you disable it?
1123[15:43:02] <expon> in UEFI, depends on your hardware
1124[15:43:08] <expon> but what it does do is prohibit including modules into the kernel
1125[15:43:15] <k3tan> yep, i think that's the issue
1126[15:43:24] <ratrace> then how did you previous nvidia-drivers work?
1127[15:43:35] <k3tan> i have no idea, i just installed it and it worked?
1128[15:44:05] <expon> presumably at some point you created a Machine Owner Key?
1129[15:44:18] <expon> i believe dkms is set up for that
1130[15:44:20] <k3tan> it could be possible, i don't know
1131[15:44:25] <k3tan> i didn't purposely set that up
1132[15:44:33] <k3tan> but maybe a program i installed mightve?
1133[15:44:54] <k3tan> im thinking disabling secureboot
1134[15:44:56] <k3tan> how does one do that?
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1137[15:45:08] <expon> just in the UEFI BIOS, whatever that looks like on your hardware
1138[15:45:15] <expon> i'm afraid i can't give particularly great advice on handling MOKs
1139[15:45:22] <expon> as i only have a single uefi secure device and it's not here :)
1140[15:45:45] <k3tan> right ok
1141[15:46:27] <k3tan> ok ill search around in my BIOS
1142[15:47:18] <k3tan> ok it's not secureboot
1143[15:47:21] <k3tan> it's disabled
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1146[15:47:39] <expon> well, operation not permitted for modprobe sounds like secureboot restrictions :/
1147[15:47:44] <expon> you could have dkms rebuild the module
1148[15:47:49] <expon> but i'd have to google that error
1149[15:48:28] <expon> jak2000: i think something like `find -iname 'jinvmanz*.wav' -newerct '2020-03-01' -not -newerct '2020-04-01'` should work?
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1151[15:48:51] <plt> The issue seems to be fixed
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1153[15:49:03] <k3tan> is there a way i can roll back a sudo apt upgrade?
1154[15:49:12] <expon> no, not really
1155[15:49:24] <k3tan> ok, roll back an nvidia driver version
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1157[15:49:37] <expon> sorta, you can dpkg -i older-version.deb
1158[15:49:47] <expon> but there's a chance of things breaking
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1160[15:49:57] <expon> if you're convinced it's a broken package, it's not a bad way to check
1161[15:50:00] <expon> but buster should be pretty stable
1162[15:50:14] <ratrace> in this case probably not. apt doesn't support downgrades, mostly due to postinst scripts and steps that cannot be rolled back
1163[15:50:25] <k3tan> i downloaded it through apt
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1165[15:50:43] <k3tan> far out, i really need this computer up in GUI
1166[15:50:47] <k3tan> it doesn't boot up
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1168[15:50:59] <k3tan> i can alt+f2 into shell
1169[15:51:09] <k3tan> GPU: EFI
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1171[15:51:44] <ratrace> k3tan: put systemd.unit=multi-user.target on your kernel command line via grub, boot into text mode and pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1172[15:51:50] <jak2000> expon worked... this: find -iname 'jinvmanz*.wav' -newerct '2020-03-01'
1173[15:51:54] <jak2000> thanks
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1175[15:52:10] <ratrace> k3tan: you can also try modprobe from text only mode and see any fallout
1176[15:52:19] <miskatonic> isn't alt+fn disabled in Wayland?
1177[15:52:25] <expon> k3tan: you can also run `/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms kernel-version-here`
1178[15:52:28] <expon> miskatonic: they're on X
1179[15:52:31] <k3tan> ok ratrace you're going to have talk me through all that
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1182[15:54:11] <ratrace> k3tan: alright, in half an hour as I have to step out of the office for a quickie, but it's not difficult, reboot, when grub appears hit E to edit the currently selected boot entry, use arrows to find the linux /vmlinuz-4.19.0-9-amd64 ..... line, then at the end of it add systemd.unit=multi-user.target and hit F10 to boot
1183[15:55:17] <ratrace> then log in as root (or as your user, then `su -l` to root) and try modprobe nvidia
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1185[15:55:51] <k3tan> ok so get this, i just fired up in 4.19.0-8 and im back in business!
1186[15:55:57] <k3tan> i fear though that i'll have to do that again
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1188[15:56:29] <k3tan> so i cant use 4.19.0-9
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1191[15:56:54] <expon> k3tan: did you try the dkms line above with 4.19.0-9?
1192[15:57:05] <k3tan> yeah i did, said dkms not found
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1194[15:57:13] <jmcnaught> k3tan: do you have linux-headers-amd64 installed?
1195[15:57:16] <expon> wait what
1196[15:57:22] <expon> since when is nvidia done any other way than dkms?
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1199[15:57:52] <k3tan> jmcnaught: yes installed
1200[15:58:09] <k3tan> im going to try rebooting and see what happens
1201[15:58:18] <expon> k3tan: before you do
1202[15:58:19] <k3tan> im glad i have 4.19.0-8 to go back to
1203[15:58:22] <expon> install `nvidia-kernel-dkms`
1204[15:58:22] <k3tan> ok yep go on
1205[15:58:32] <plt> I am start listening to the song Grand Theft auto while using the newer version of Debian
1206[15:58:35] <k3tan> alreday installed
1207[15:58:53] <k3tan> i think that was hte issue
1208[15:58:56] <expon> i'm on sid here and not buster, but for me that pulls in dkms as a requirement
1209[15:59:08] <expon> what does `dpkg -l dkms` show, does it start with "ii"?
1210[15:59:09] <k3tan> it upgraded from something else to 418.113-1
1211[15:59:39] <k3tan> yes, starts with ii
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1213[16:00:06] <expon> maybe it put the hook scripts somwhere else in buster? i'd have to go find an old machine
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1215[16:00:12] <expon> at least you have a working kernel version, but still...
1216[16:00:17] <plt> Question: before the release on the newer version of Debian how long do they beta test it before the final release?
1217[16:00:29] <k3tan> yeah, it's very scary expon
1218[16:00:44] <k3tan> all i did was sudo apt upgrade and it broke :(
1219[16:00:50] <expon> plt: since the previous version
1220[16:00:52] <k3tan> admittedly, last reboot was 17 days ago
1221[16:00:54] <expon> see: `testing`
1222[16:00:59] <plt> Yep
1223[16:01:00] <k3tan> so i couldve done something during that time
1224[16:01:41] <expon> k3tan: well i don't think i've ever seen Operation Not Permitted with modprobe that wasn't securebooted
1225[16:01:51] <expon> but i'm not exactly au fait with the latest generation of fancy hardware
1226[16:02:05] <k3tan> no no this is old as batshit hardware
1227[16:02:17] <k3tan> ive had this computer for over 5 years
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1230[16:02:40] <k3tan> whats that modprobe command again?
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1232[16:02:44] <k3tan> sudo modprobe nvidia?
1233[16:02:44] <expon> 5 years is fancy new to me, but sure :p
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1235[16:03:00] <expon> yes or just `modprobe nvidia` as root, you should do `lsmod|grep nvidia` to see if it's already loaded
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1238[16:03:08] <expon> and you can use `journalctl -k` to view the messages the kernel outputs
1239[16:03:17] <expon> it will log the secureboot status, and should show any insmod errors
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1242[16:03:55] <k3tan> yeah so this only seems to work in 4.19.0-8
1243[16:04:02] <k3tan> once i go into 0.9, shit hits the fan
1244[16:04:03] <plt> Question: What is the easy way to install mysql on Debian 10 without breaking all the lib files please?
1245[16:04:29] <jmcnaught> plt: mysql has been replaced with mariadb on Debian, can you use that?
1246[16:04:37] <expon> sudo apt install mariadb-server
1247[16:04:42] <miskatonic> the easiest way is to forget about it and install mariaDB instead
1248[16:04:45] <expon> k3tan: that's a pretty odd bit of behaviour
1249[16:04:57] <expon> k3tan: do you get any messages in journalctl -k when that's the case?
1250[16:05:03] <k3tan> May 26 23:54:43 ketan-pc kernel: secureboot: Secure boot could not be determined (mode 0)
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1252[16:05:06] <k3tan> got that
1253[16:05:14] <expon> ooh that's an intriguing one
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1255[16:05:17] <jmcnaught> k3tan: so you have the linux-headers-4.19.0-9-amd64 package installed as well then?
1256[16:05:24] <k3tan> let me install
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1258[16:05:47] <k3tan> no
1259[16:05:49] <k3tan> they're not installed
1260[16:05:52] <k3tan> could that be why?
1261[16:05:56] <plt> Should I install mariadb-server or mariadb-server-core-10.3
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1263[16:06:05] <jmcnaught> k3tan: if the linux-headers-amd64 package is not installed like you said it was, that would be the reason.
1264[16:06:17] <k3tan> well linux-headers-amd64 is installed
1265[16:06:27] <k3tan> but linux-headers-4.19.0-9-amd64 isnt
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1267[16:07:24] <k3tan> should i install it?
1268[16:07:43] <jmcnaught> ,depends linux-headers-amd64
1269[16:07:44] <judd> Package linux-headers-amd64 in buster/amd64 -- depends: linux-headers-4.19.0-9-amd64.
1270[16:07:55] <k3tan> lol thats weird
1271[16:07:56] <plt> Would the core be the best on?
1272[16:08:36] <k3tan> ketan@ketan-pc:~$ sudo apt install linux-headers-amd64
1273[16:08:38] <k3tan> Reading package lists... Done
1274[16:08:40] <k3tan> Building dependency tree
1275[16:08:42] <k3tan> Reading state information... Done
1276[16:08:45] <k3tan> linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1).
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1280[16:09:10] <k3tan> sorry.
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1282[16:09:15] <jmcnaught> k3tan: oh so you have installed a kernel from backports? Is that the one you want to work?
1283[16:09:20] <k3tan> ahhh yes
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1285[16:09:25] <k3tan> i do have installed from backports
1286[16:09:28] <plt> apt-get install mariadb-server-core-10. Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done mariadb-server-core-10.3 is already the newest version (1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1).
1287[16:09:29] <plt> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
1288[16:09:29] <plt> libmecab2 mecab-ipadic mecab-ipadic-utf8 mecab-utils
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1290[16:09:32] <k3tan> i dunno, when i installed nvidia drivers
1291[16:09:38] <k3tan> i think i got it from backports
1292[16:09:47] <plt> That did not seem to work
1293[16:10:06] <k3tan> i followed random guides to get the nvidia drivers to work
1294[16:10:14] <expon> plt: it worked because it's already installed, please could you read the messages before pasting them
1295[16:10:15] <k3tan> it was a hackjob, i admit
1296[16:10:20] <jmcnaught> k3tan: you need the headers package that corresponds to the kernel package you are using. Which kernel do you want to use?
1297[16:10:28] <k3tan> i suppose the latest
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1299[16:10:35] <expon> i wonder if your -8 is signed somehow
1300[16:10:37] <expon> and your -9 is not
1301[16:10:43] <k3tan> yes, i think that is the case
1302[16:10:45] <expon> do you remember doing any hackery with a 'machine owner key'?
1303[16:10:47] <plt> Maria is not in the /etc/init.d
1304[16:10:59] <expon> debian uses systemd by default
1305[16:10:59] <k3tan> no, no hackery with machine owner key, or using mokutils
1306[16:11:11] <expon> k3tan: and is -9 installed through a package with 'signed' in the name?
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1308[16:11:23] <k3tan> how can i check?
1309[16:11:27] <expon> plt: i recommend you read `man systemctl`
1310[16:11:55] <expon> k3tan: `dpkg -S /boot/path-to-kernel-file` should tell you which package owns the file
1311[16:12:09] <expon> linux-image-5.6.0-1-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-5.6.0-1-amd64
1312[16:12:13] <expon> par example ^
1313[16:12:58] <plt> Service name mariadb
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1317[16:13:36] <k3tan> will i get kicked if i spam in here?
1318[16:13:38] <k3tan> it's 4 lines
1319[16:13:49] <joepublic> one would hope
1320[16:14:00] <k3tan> joepublic: indeed, i'll be out of your way soon, dw
1321[16:14:20] <joepublic> :)
1322[16:14:41] <plt> systemctl restart mariadb
1323[16:14:42] <plt> Failed to restart mariadb.service: Unit mariadb.service not found.
1324[16:15:13] <k3tan> expon: just pm'd you
1325[16:15:32] <expon> just on phone
1326[16:15:45] <jmcnaught> k3tan: replaced-url
1327[16:15:52] <expon> 5 mins into queue, try a signed pkg :)
1328[16:16:18] <k3tan> replaced-url
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1330[16:17:08] <plt> This weird and its not install mariadb-server-core-10.3 is already the newest version (1:10.3.22-0+deb10u1).
1331[16:17:47] <jmcnaught> plt: install the mariadb-server package
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1338[16:19:49] <plt> Since I removed all mariadb files should I re-install this mariadb-server-core-10.3 - MariaDB database core server files
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1341[16:20:33] <jmcnaught> k3tan: when I asked which kernel you want to boot with you said the latest, did you mean the latest from stock Debian, or the latest from backports? If you want to boot the linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64 kernel then you need to intall linux-headers-4.19.0-9-amd64. Normally it would be installed by the linux-headers-amd64 meta-package, but you installed that metapackage from backports.
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1343[16:21:04] <constantinescum> Hello guys I need some help with Debian 10. I just installed it but it get freeze at [OK] Started GNOME Display Manager . Do you know what's the reason and how can I fix it?
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1345[16:21:19] <jmcnaught> plt: that is a stripped down mariadb meant to be used by desktop applications like akonadi, read the package descriptions and install the appropriate meta-package.
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1347[16:22:07] <plt> Or install this one mariadb-server
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1351[16:22:37] <k3tan> jmcnaught: looking at my apt sources, i dont seem to have backports
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1353[16:22:53] <cseder> @constantinescum 📣GPU Driver?
1354[16:22:55] <plt> I am confused
1355[16:23:15] <jmcnaught> plt: install mariadb-server, it always depends on the most recent version of mariadb-server packages
1356[16:23:45] <plt> apt-get does not remove all the mariadb files
1357[16:23:47] <plt> ty
1358[16:23:59] <jmcnaught> k3tan: 10:08 < k3tan> linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1). <--- bpo is from backports
1359[16:24:08] <k3tan> ooooh i see
1360[16:24:38] <k3tan> thank you jmcnaught. how do i get rid of that and get it from stock?
1361[16:24:44] <jmcnaught> k3tan: you could remove the linux-headers-amd64 package and then install it again
1362[16:24:58] <plt> Thanks
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1365[16:26:19] <k3tan> jmcnaught: you've solved my issues
1366[16:26:19] <jmcnaught> k3tan: the NVIDIA driver uses DKMS to compile a kernel module when it installs (because the module can't be distributed legally). In order to do this it needs kernel headers, but if you don't have the headers installed for your version of the kernel, the NVIDIA module cannot build.
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1368[16:26:23] <k3tan> thank you very very very very very very much
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1370[16:26:39] <ratrace> k3tan: just came back .. what was it, unsupported kernel ver?
1371[16:26:55] <k3tan> nah, it was was jmcnaught just said
1372[16:26:57] * expon is still on the phone, damn you jmcnaught :)
1373[16:27:02] <expon> glad you got it k3tan
1374[16:27:24] <k3tan> thank you ratrace expon jmcnaught you are amazing
1375[16:27:29] <expon> \o/
1376[16:27:36] <jmcnaught> k3tan: nice!
1377[16:27:44] <k3tan> fkn almost had a heart attack
1378[16:27:59] <ratrace> !next
1379[16:27:59] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1385[16:30:25] <cseder> jmcnaught: the wording "can't be distributed legally" sounded a bit exaggerated
1386[16:30:52] <jmcnaught> cseder: why's that?
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1389[16:32:12] <cseder> "based on distribution restrictions" maybe, but you're not criminal
1390[16:32:34] <expon> depends where you are doesn't it?
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1392[16:34:06] <cseder> jmcnaught: or maybe just "only distributed as a binary"
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1394[16:34:44] <ratrace> it's not distrubution restrictions though but NVIDIA license
1395[16:35:28] <cseder> ratrace: as in the definition of the word "distribution" not as in a Linux Distribution
1396[16:35:34] <jmcnaught> and the GPL prohibition on linking proprietary code… it's not criminal sure but it's not legal to violate terms of a license.
1397[16:35:51] <expon> in the US it could certainly be criminal i think
1398[16:35:53] <ratrace> cseder: ah, right. still "illegal" is not wrong word. if software is used against its license, it's illegal.
1399[16:35:59] <expon> if you distributed compiled nvidia binaries in return for anything of value
1400[16:36:00] <jmcnaught> anyways it's also not tech support so it's offtopic, we could discuss in #debian-offtopic if you want.
1401[16:36:05] <ratrace> not all illegal things are "criminal" matters
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1403[16:36:06] <expon> that i think counts as criminal infringement, but yeah OT
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1405[16:36:30] <cseder> agree to disagree with the wording
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1407[16:36:50] <cseder> no energy
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1409[16:38:15] <constantinescum> @cseder GPU driver is up to date
1410[16:38:49] <cseder> constantinescum: You PM'ed me, I answered there
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1414[16:40:20] <azy> my power manager died a while ago. it just doesnt run any more. i wouldnt mind fixing that. im not sure where to start. xfce, debian 10
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1417[16:41:22] <ngomes> hi ! I'm using debian on WSL. on a bash_completion clicking tab or tab tab, i see a [bash] process executing and terminating. I do this by having 2 shells, one running watch -n 0.5 ps aux . the other makes the key click. I've read in an article that it should provide more information about the completition process , namely the completion script that's running on. Can anyone check that for me ?
1418[16:42:30] <ngomes> I just want to know if it provides a bash PID or a bash something PID
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1420[16:43:11] <joepublic> "it" being ps?
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1422[16:43:50] <phogg> ngomes: nothing to do with Debian, really. Is there something about all of that which is not working?
1423[16:43:52] <ngomes> it the PID description is "bash" only or "bash some_script"
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1425[16:44:22] <ratrace> "key click"? o.O
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1427[16:44:36] <ngomes> key stroke
1428[16:44:40] <ngomes> sorry
1429[16:45:15] <phogg> Let me translate. "I hit <tab> or <tab><tab> in bash and expect to see completions, but nothing happens. I do notice a very short-lived extra bash process show up when I try."
1430[16:45:20] <phogg> sound about right?
1431[16:45:28] <ngomes> yes
1432[16:45:34] <phogg> ngomes: what are you completing?
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1434[16:45:56] <ngomes> sudo apti[tab tab]tude
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1436[16:46:24] <ngomes> does it show bash or bash some_aptitude_autocomplete_script ?
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1440[16:48:01] <phogg> ngomes: I don't use extended bash completions so I can't really help. I don't know if sudo is set up to complete commands like that. Try this: complete -c sudo
1441[16:48:08] <phogg> ngomes: then try it again
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1443[16:49:02] <th0r> ngomes, I don't think bash completion will work until the sudo is authenticated
1444[16:49:26] <phogg> th0r: do you mean until you have a cached recent sudo success?
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1446[16:49:54] <th0r> phogg, right, I think aptitude is NOT in the path until you authenticate sudo
1447[16:50:09] <ngomes> phogg, i have auto complete working (apt-get install bash-completion ) , nothing is broken. Just want to know what I'm asking, because what this article says is it should -> replaced-url
1448[16:50:14] <phogg> th0r: Are you sure? Looks like it's not in sbin.
1449[16:50:23] <ratrace> from what I see on _actual_ debian, not some windows process that emulates bash and is wrongly called "running a linux distro", there's no separate process on bash completion, UNLESS the completion script itself launches something
1450[16:50:34] <th0r> phogg, nope...not sure.
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1452[16:51:05] <phogg> ratrace: as I understand it the more elaborate ones will cause subshells and call utilities
1453[16:51:21] <joepublic> tab completion for sudo aptitude is working fine here
1454[16:51:23] <phogg> ngomes: I don't know what you want me to tell you, then. What is the question?
1455[16:51:31] <ratrace> phogg: yes, a completion script can call <whatever> do to the task, but that can be anything
1456[16:52:10] <ngomes> phogg, does the ps aux PID description shows "bash" or " bash some_script"
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1459[16:52:34] <phogg> ngomes: neither
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1461[16:52:58] <phogg> or possibly either, or even both
1462[16:53:01] <ngomes> phogg, it calls and exists fast , you need to watch it
1463[16:53:31] <phogg> ngomes: I *don't use extended bash completions*, because they too often break normal completion expectations for me. I can't help you there. Why ask me? What do *you* observe?
1464[16:53:43] <phogg> why does it matter?
1465[16:54:49] <ngomes> it matter because the article I've posted says it should show which completion is beeing executed. Here , it does not, i only see a bash script call and terminate
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1467[16:55:17] <joepublic> "why does it matter" is a question to find out what you are trying to do. What is the end goal of knowing this information.
1468[16:55:27] <ratrace> !xy
1469[16:55:27] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1470[16:55:38] <phogg> "I'm going to use this information in order to..."
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1472[16:55:56] <ngomes> joepublic, obfuscation
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1474[16:56:27] <phogg> ngomes: for the nitty-gritty technical of bash completion I suggest you apply to #bash. For questions about how Debian sets up bash completion this channel is better.
1475[16:56:58] <ngomes> ok
1476[16:57:00] <phogg> I've never heard of a scenario where anyone needed to know the 'full command' string for a bash completion sub-process, so I'm mystified as to the scenario.
1477[16:57:18] <ngomes> phogg, I'm using WSL 2 on windows 10
1478[16:57:31] <ngomes> i can install a VM and try it myself
1479[16:58:22] <phogg> ngomes: it doesn't matter; bash is bash
1480[16:58:30] <ngomes> ok
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1482[16:59:02] <ngomes> the trouble explain it again it bash , i rather install a vm xD
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1484[16:59:04] <phogg> ngomes: you can get bash for Windows natively and completions still work the same way (the git-for-windows package has such a setup)
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1486[16:59:29] <ngomes> I'm fine with wsl 2
1487[16:59:43] <ngomes> thanks for the tip
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1489[17:01:08] <ngomes> i could argue that asking in bash , would result in some displace situations like bash version bash completion version :-)
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1501[17:04:40] <brutser> for an embedded system i have an encrypted partition that is booted from a sd flash card, where i write out the grub.cfg manually instead of building it. Now i have a very basic grub.cfg and the system boots fine, but i wonder if it might be necessary to adjust the grub.cfg to support the hardware better? like when normally building a grub you
1502[17:04:41] <brutser> adjust that for when there is an ssd and you want to remain TRIM functionality etc. - but is that absolutely needed?
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1506[17:07:07] <ratrace> brutser: that's not in grub's domain, other than any params passed, via grub, to kernel command line
1507[17:07:50] <brutser> ratrace: well i was wondering just about that yes, right now i just set the kernel with no params
1508[17:07:51] <ratrace> ssd trimming is a property of filesystems and with that, attribute of mount; as well as cryptsetup's ability to pass trim commands to the underlying hardware
1509[17:08:02] <brutser> it boots the system alright
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1512[17:09:45] <brutser> ratrace: ok, basically the os just holds debian with openbox and some tools / scripts - it's on a small ssd, right now my whole kernel line is: linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/sda3_crypt-root quiet < nothing more.
1513[17:09:54] <expon> there's a few parameters you likely do want to pass to the kernel to make your life easier
1514[17:09:59] <brutser> do i have any kernel modules i might consider adding?
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1516[17:10:16] <expon> use a better volume group name for example :p
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1519[17:10:41] <expon> i pass things like `console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200 earlyprintk=ttyS0,115200 consoleblank=0` for example
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1521[17:10:52] <expon> if you're using dracut, you probably want `rd.retry=lowinteger` and maybe `rd.shell`
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1523[17:11:07] <expon> lots of people like `elevator=noop` and similar these days too
1524[17:11:17] <expon> tl;dr: there's lots of options, pick them for your use case
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1527[17:12:00] <ratrace> changing the IO scheduler without understanding what that does, woudl be rather bad. especially since the said pepole who set it to noop, thinking SSDs don't need it, aren't aware of all the benchmarks that show the opposite.
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1529[17:12:19] <brutser> expon: hm ok, is there any of these parameters crucial for your system to boot? like i said, the system boots fine, it's just that i am checking here to see if i might have forgot anythign crucial that can end up later with some errors or something
1530[17:12:28] <expon> ratrace: indeed, they're all very specific to a use case
1531[17:12:34] <brutser> ok
1532[17:12:52] <expon> brutser: i recommend you use uuids instead of explicit vg/lv names, and that you pass console parameters to ensure you're crapping as much debugging information out of the serial port as possible
1533[17:13:55] <brutser> expon: yes uuids were considered but not really needed, it's an embedded system, so nothing of the hardware will change
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1535[17:14:30] <ratrace> brutser: there's a large number of kernel command line parameters, many of which are HW module specific settings. as to which one of those _could_ be used to make things run more smoothly totally dpeends on hardware used. in my experience, in general you don't need to set any unless you have issues and wanna fix things
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1537[17:14:56] <ratrace> so there's no way to answer your question :: that would require deep understanding of hardware you use and any peculiarities that are mitigated with kernel params
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1539[17:15:13] <brutser> ratrace: that make sense yes, i have a laptop that showed some error, then i had to set some acpi kernel parameter to fix that
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1541[17:15:35] <ratrace> ACPI is the usual suspect for hardware issues
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1543[17:15:43] <brutser> ok, let me be happy then the system boots fine :)
1544[17:15:45] <expon> and APIC these days :/
1545[17:15:52] <expon> but yes, ratrace is 100% right
1546[17:16:14] <expon> i personally prefer dracut as an initrd so those two options may be useful if you want to debug on device
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1548[17:16:22] <expon> and console logs are often best verbose, but not if this is an end-user product
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1550[17:16:32] <expon> so you should research every flag someone suggests thoroughly
1551[17:16:44] <brutser> yes ok
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1562[17:23:50] <rotaticus> my fstab says /mnt/stuff is mounted with the options "defaults,users,exec" BUT mtab says its NOT exec ... how do i find the guilty partys?
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1565[17:26:15] <somiaj> rotaticus: what filesystem?
1566[17:26:20] <rotaticus> ext4
1567[17:26:53] <somiaj> You haven't defined a systemd unit for this separate of /etc/fstab?
1568[17:27:33] <somiaj> have you checked journalctl on the mount unit and see what it says?
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1570[17:28:46] <somiaj> you can use systemctl to find all units, then search for the .mount unit name, after that systemctl status unitname.mount or use journalctl to see if there are any logs/messages related to the mount
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1572[17:30:01] <rotaticus> no seperate systemd unit, just fstab... journalctl seems okay to me
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1574[17:30:21] <expon> rotaticus: you sure it hasn't been mounted by a ui tool or similar?
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1576[17:30:33] <expon> have you manually unmounted + remounted it with `mount` to see what flags it gets given?
1577[17:32:03] <rotaticus> manually unmounted and mounted ... rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime ... BUT options in fstab are : defaults,users,exec ....
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1580[17:33:01] <expon> interesting, i'm not entirely sure what would cause that to happen i'm afraid
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1583[17:34:17] <rotaticus> i'm pretty stunned too ... NEVER seen that before
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1585[17:35:12] <ratrace> rotaticus: what if you supply those params via -o to mount?
1586[17:36:05] <ratrace> rotaticus: also try removing "defaults" from the fstab line
1587[17:37:05] <rotaticus> mount -o exec works ... thats what i initialy wanted ... lets try removing defaults brb
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1589[17:38:06] <rotaticus> without defaults in fstab the options are :" rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime "
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1598[17:48:12] <rotaticus> it drives me insane ... not even mount -o remount,exec /mnt/Stuff works ... yesterday it did
1599[17:48:39] <expon> rotaticus: what does `which mount` output?
1600[17:48:54] <expon> and i assume `alias mount` doesn't give you a command output?
1601[17:49:23] <expon> afaik mount is just a little binary that does all of its work itself
1602[17:49:32] <expon> and i don't know of any kernel facility to set mount defaults
1603[17:49:40] <expon> so all i can think is you're not using normal mount?
1604[17:49:51] <expon> i do everything through fstab and mount units these days :(
1605[17:50:40] <rotaticus> which mount gives /usr/bin/mount
1606[17:51:01] <greycat> which(1) is an external program, so it does not know about shell aliases/functions
1607[17:51:07] <greycat> use "type mount" to get the whole story
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1609[17:51:18] <expon> greycat: ooh protips thank you
1610[17:51:53] <rotaticus> mount is /usr/bin/mount
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1616[17:59:10] <ratrace> rotaticus: are you sure that fstab is actually being used?
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1625[18:06:32] <g0zzy> I don't know if something lame has happened in recent times but i have a laptop that simply refuses to init if the usb stick listed in /etc/fstab is not present! I tried to use an fstab without that device but that didn't cut it. Some systemd thing?
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1627[18:07:51] <expon> g0zzy: what's 'refuses to init' mean exactly?
1628[18:08:01] <expon> what does*
1629[18:08:31] <rotaticus> okay in rescue mode everything works as expected, /mnt/Stuff is mounted WITH exec AND now its working ... i'm sorry for bothering you
1630[18:08:42] <g0zzy> It won't boot properly. Give root password | Ctrl D etc
1631[18:08:49] <jmcnaught> g0zzy: have you tried adding nofail for that line in fstab?
1632[18:09:20] <g0zzy> I can do, thanks. That normally does it?
1633[18:10:01] <jmcnaught> g0zzy: fstab(5): *nofail* do not report errors for this device if it does not exist.
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1635[18:11:03] <g0zzy> Right. Using an fstab omitting the device altogether didn't work, so i assume there are some systemd scripts still knocking about?
1636[18:11:33] <jmcnaught> g0zzy: probably something you configured?
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1638[18:12:55] <g0zzy> Maybe. Could be something to do with backup (straining my memory). Still lame to stop init though
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1640[18:14:01] <jmcnaught> Can you look in /var/log/syslog for the previous boot to find the exact error messages that you're getting?
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1642[18:14:46] <g0zzy> Can do yes. afaicr it starts with not finding the device
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1672[18:36:00] <g0zzy> jmcnaught: Actually there's no syslog from today's attempt to boot it
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1694[18:52:07] <plt> jmcnaught my other dedicated server is located at a data center and it's Icore 7 with 8 cores, 64 gb of ram, 2 4 tb harddrives ad 1 gb internet connection.
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1706[18:57:24] <g0zzy> But thanks. nofail allows the machine to boot
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1714[19:00:24] <grummund> For a non-X machine, is it better to install console-tools and remove console-setup?
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1717[19:00:52] * grummund slightly confused whether these are mutually exclusive
1718[19:01:30] <greycat> ,v console-tools
1719[19:01:31] <judd> No package named 'console-tools' was found in amd64.
1720[19:01:37] <greycat> "no"
1721[19:01:43] * grummund really just needs a way to enable monitor powersaving for the console
1722[19:02:03] <jmcnaught> ,provides console-tools
1723[19:02:04] <judd> No package named 'console-tools' was found in buster/amd64.
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1725[19:02:42] <grummund> ah, it's a virtual package then?
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1729[19:04:30] <greycat> grummund: nobody but you can see this package, or has any idea what it might be. Perhaps you are confused.
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1732[19:04:51] <grummund> hmm, well what's the Right Way to enable monitor powersaving for the console?
1733[19:05:15] <greycat> !blank
1734[19:05:15] <dpkg> You can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. Permanent virtual console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/kbd/config.
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1736[19:06:09] <greycat> Definitely look at everything in setterm's man page.
1737[19:06:45] <miskatonic> is per-user font change on the console possible without console-setup?
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1745[19:09:58] <grummund> afaict, setterm only applies *after* login
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1748[19:10:49] <grummund> although escape sequences can be embedded in /etc/issue, powersave isn't controlled like that (afaict).
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1751[19:11:11] <greycat> Who said anything about escape sequences?
1752[19:11:27] <grummund> i did
1753[19:12:46] <greycat> So are you saying "I put setterm --power-something something in rc.local and rebooted, and instead of powering off the monitor after 2 minutes, it did ____"?
1754[19:13:12] <greycat> Or are you still hallucinating packages that don't exist?
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1758[19:14:48] <grummund> heh, i'm asking what the Right Way to do it is. so rc.local is it?
1759[19:14:56] <greycat> !TIAS
1760[19:14:56] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1761[19:15:11] <greycat> None of us DO THIS. Only YOU do this!
1762[19:15:20] <greycat> So YOU get to test it!
1763[19:15:41] <grummund> heh, chill. that only tells if it works, not if it's right.
1764[19:15:49] <greycat> *plonk*
1765[19:16:07] <greycat> I bet he's not even running Debian. That's probably where he got the bogus package name from.
1766[19:16:34] <grummund> it's there under dpkg -l 'console-*'
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1768[19:17:16] <grummund> but that was a red herring anyway, so sorry about that.
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1783[19:22:23] <grummund> "Permanent virtual console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/kbd/config."
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1787[19:23:26] <grummund> ^ is that still valid? kbd package is installed, but no /etc/kbd dir.
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1789[19:24:36] <ratrace> grummund: which debian is that? replaced-url
1790[19:24:59] <grummund> Debian 10 Buster
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1793[19:25:30] <ratrace> well that package doesn't exist for many years. where did you install it from?
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1795[19:26:08] <grummund> no, it's not installed. i just found reference to it in my search to enable monitor powersaving.
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1797[19:26:28] <ratrace> search of what though. it's not part of regular debian repositories
1798[19:27:19] <grummund> various posts (admittedly not Debian), then dpkg -l 'console-*' mentions it and i made assumptions.
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1802[19:28:22] <grummund> the factoid mentions /etc/kbd/config any idea how to get that?
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1810[19:31:16] <bodqhrohro> What apt-xapian-index is used for? It creates a pretty large database and it's cron task puts the system under heavy load. What I'll lose if I remove it? I never search packages by tags, for example.
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1815[19:37:34] <nvz> dpkg, xapian
1816[19:37:34] <dpkg> nvz: have you tried replaced-url
1817[19:38:05] <nvz> meh.. I looked into that once not too long ago I forget now.. heh.. but it has something to do with like software catalogs.. its like more metadata or something like that
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1819[19:38:41] <nvz> dpkg, axi cache
1820[19:38:41] <dpkg> nvz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
1821[19:38:50] * nvz eyes dpkg
1822[19:39:05] <nvz> dpkg, axi-cache
1823[19:39:05] <dpkg> i guess axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>.
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1825[19:39:22] <nvz> bodqhrohro: ^^
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1827[19:41:16] <jmcnaught> I dont' have apt-xapian-index installed on this buster desktop.
1828[19:41:26] <greycat> Most people won't.
1829[19:42:04] <miskatonic> does our dpkg bot have access to apt=xaapian-index?
1830[19:42:19] <nvz> why would it
1831[19:42:28] <greycat> I would expect judd to have it, not dpkg, if any bot would have it.
1832[19:42:31] <nvz> its an info bot, you tell it stuff, it regurgitates it
1833[19:43:11] <nvz> as greycat says, judd is the bot that actually does package lookup stuff.. its name judd includes UDD which is the Ultimate Debian Database
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1836[19:44:44] <miskatonic> he is not named for the snooker professional Judd Trump?
1837[19:44:53] <nvz> nope
1838[19:45:08] <nvz> and fwiw judd needs some tlc if anyone should wanna side project :P
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1840[19:45:30] <nvz> some things need fixed, some updated. it still works but its been rough for awhile now
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1842[19:46:40] <nvz> the thing is over the last 10 years we've changed a lot.. expanded the way the package system and debian plicy works and judd isnt quite up to speed with a lot of that
1843[19:46:56] <nvz> like it doesnt properly identify debhelper-compat for backports and such
1844[19:50:20] <b1ackandwh1te> how many bots we have here i can query? judd dont work, only dpkg.
1845[19:50:33] <b1ackandwh1te> (in private)
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1847[19:51:19] <nvz> judd is the only one of its kind, apt, dselect, dpkg all serve the same purpose
1848[19:51:33] <nvz> I know dpkg will only respond if it knows you.. i.e. if it can see you in a channel that its in
1849[19:52:07] <nvz> debhelper is the other specialty bot, it handles channel maint, but doesnt communicate
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1852[19:53:32] <nvz> judd has always responded to me in /msg though I dont recall ever trying it when not in a channel
1853[19:54:16] <bodqhrohro> nvz: nah, I don't use axi-cache too. Actually, I only worry if some tools makes use of the index and work faster if it's present.
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1859[19:55:19] <nvz> bodqhrohro: not that I'm aware of
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1862[19:59:05] <m0rr1gan> Hello, on debian 10 gnome. I cannot get keyboard events to occur with xte/xdotool but mouse events do work. What might be the issue?
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1864[20:00:09] <miskatonic> xdotool is only for x11, gniome uses wayland
1865[20:00:46] <bodqhrohro> nvz: phew, than I'll just purge it.
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1868[20:02:28] <miskatonic> or is wayland just the default for gnome3 on Buster ... it can be confusing with all the defaults and alternatives
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1870[20:02:46] <greycat> wayland is the default with GNOME in buster
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1876[20:05:24] <m0rr1gan> miskatonic: greycat thanks, probably explains it
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1882[20:12:01] <nvz> bodqhrohro: if somehting did use it, it should depend upon it, or at least suggest/recommend it
1883[20:12:19] <nvz> bodqhrohro: there are things like apt-rdepends that can search that sort of thing
1884[20:12:49] <bodqhrohro> nvz: it's suggested by python-apt, python3-apt, synaptic and aptitude.
1885[20:13:00] <bodqhrohro> nvz: so rdepends will work slower without it?
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1887[20:13:40] <jmcnaught> bodqhrohro: try it, you can always reinstall the package.
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1926[20:49:13] <bodqhrohro> rdepends works even faster o_O The index was so fragmented that it slowed it down! On my test it's now 7s instead of 30s.
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1932[20:54:37] <greycat> Hooray for empirical testing!
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1956[21:13:49] <oxek> anyone have an uptodate guide on how to hibernate to a swapfile?
1957[21:13:59] <oxek> do I still need to calculate offsets and so on?
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1964[21:16:57] <b1ackandwh1te> hibernate to a swapfile? i must hear that.
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1973[21:24:38] <oxek> b1ackandwh1te: what do you mean?
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1976[21:29:57] <b1ackandwh1te> oxek, this is a novelty to me, just that. what?
1977[21:30:53] <oxek> It has been possible since 2006 I think, with kernel 2.6.15
1978[21:31:13] <rotaticus> like hibernate with poweroff ... where does the ram go? to swap iirc
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1982[21:32:29] <rotaticus> okay swap is a partition here ... but files should be possible
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1992[21:36:54] <n_1-c_k> When I log in at a console or over ssh there is a greeting that includes "No mail." What generates "No mail"?
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1994[21:37:28] <oxek> rotaticus: should be possible, but looks very dangerous
1995[21:37:52] <oxek> having to calculate disk offsets of swap file, and if you go wrong or the file changes location for any reason, your / is trashed
1996[21:38:16] <greycat> n_1-c_k: it's either pam_mail.so or your shell
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2003[21:39:41] <greycat> No mail.
2004[21:40:26] <greycat> I think bash only prints when there *is* mail, not when there's none.
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2022[22:04:45] <n_1-c_k> It was pam, configured in /etc/pam.d/{login,sshd}. Using 'nopen' seems to switch off the notification, which suits me. Thanks for the pointer, greycat.
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2130[23:48:41] <linux_user> Hiya! I am trying to upgrade from stretch to Buster and I get some error about minissdpd, anyone have idea what this is and how I get past this issue?
2131[23:49:06] <linux_user> And yes, I did some googling and found no useful answers so please, don't be a pinhead and suggest that!
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2133[23:49:36] <expon> linux_user: you should say what the error is, otherwise it could be anything
2134[23:49:37] <linux_user> in fact, a bug was reported and some nincowpoop gave some bizarre answer about dconf that made no sense.
2135[23:50:08] <linux_user> It is numerous lines of erros
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2137[23:50:15] <linux_user> on second (Its on a different system)
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2139[23:51:09] <linux_user> replaced-url
2140[23:51:20] <linux_user> but that discussion says just to delete it
2141[23:51:21] <b1ackandwh1te> 'don't be a pinhead and suggest that' good you kindly told us.
2142[23:51:24] <linux_user> I'd prefer to fix what is wrong
2143[23:51:39] <petn-randall> !ask
2144[23:51:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2147[23:52:10] <petn-randall> linux_user: Try by describing your problem, and sharing any output you get. Yours might be different from bug reports and reddit posts.
2148[23:52:42] <linux_user> its not, its the same and I am not really in a position to do that since one machine is one one non internet connected network and the other on the internet connected network
2149[23:52:55] <linux_user> can you read what I posted? it describe the error I am getting
2150[23:53:05] <linux_user> I mean the link to what someone else posted
2151[23:53:06] <linux_user> anyway
2152[23:53:11] <linux_user> its the same error I have
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2154[23:53:23] <petn-randall> *What* error?
2155[23:53:33] <linux_user> never mind
2156[23:53:34] <petn-randall> You're making it deliberately hard for people who are trying to help you.
2157[23:53:37] <linux_user> can anyone else help?
2158[23:53:46] <linux_user> sorry, here is the link man:
2159[23:53:47] <linux_user> replaced-url
2160[23:53:55] <linux_user> I am experiencing that problem
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2162[23:54:18] <petn-randall> !paste
2163[23:54:18] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2164[23:54:29] <sney> then remove the package and if you still need that package after the upgrade, install it again once you're done
2165[23:54:40] <sney> this is also what the thread says, nb
2166[23:54:41] <linux_user> no, it cancels other stuff I need like qemu
2167[23:54:56] <linux_user> I know and I do not want to use that solution as it will uninstall software I need
2168[23:54:57] <linux_user> then
2169[23:55:00] <linux_user> when the upgrade is done
2170[23:55:07] <linux_user> and I reinstall that software and it requires this package
2171[23:55:08] <linux_user> then what?
2172[23:55:14] <linux_user> uninstall it again?
2173[23:55:16] <linux_user> makes no sense
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2176[23:55:26] <sney> petn-randall: I see what you mean.
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2178[23:56:08] <linux_user> Does anyone know why this error is coming?
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2180[23:56:43] <sney> linux_user: sometimes packages cause problems during an upgrade. the solution is to remove them, finish the upgrade, and reinstall them after if desired. just because there was a problem during the upgrade doesn't mean the package is completely broken.
2181[23:56:44] * petn-randall is still waiting for an actual paste.
2182[23:57:06] <sney> this is how experienced debian users do it. if you want to insist on some other nonexistent solution, that's your problem, but you can figure it out yourself
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2184[23:57:40] <linux_user> I cannot give you an actual paste, and in order to not repeat myself I'll let you scroll back and see why.
2185[23:57:43] <linux_user> fine, I will remove it
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2188[23:59:37] <petn-randall> linux_user: So you also have the same config as that user?
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