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10 [00:04:02] <InvisibleRasta> ah allright
11 [00:04:40] <joepublic> ,v sudo
12 [00:04:41] <judd> Package: sudo on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3+deb7u4;
jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u4; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5;
stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1; buster: 1.8.26-2; sid: 1.8.26-2
13 [00:04:53] <annadane> i'm not sure where you're
looking if you can't find it
14 [00:04:59] <annadane> sudo will always be in the stable
repository
15 [00:05:17] <annadane> it's just not installed by default
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17 [00:06:27] <InvisibleRasta> well i figured out i couldnt find
it in the repos cause i had my sources list messed up
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20 [00:06:51] <annadane> quite
21 [00:06:52] <InvisibleRasta> this sources list generator is
broken
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22 [00:06:59] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
23 [00:06:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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24 [00:07:08] <annadane> stay away from the big bad internet and
ask the lovely #debian folks
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27 [00:08:22] <InvisibleRasta> thenext release will be buster
right?
28 [00:08:33] <annadane> correct
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30 [00:09:21] <InvisibleRasta> is it stable as every day usage
yet or shall i jsut keep good old stretch
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33 [00:09:49] <annadane> i'd stay with stretch
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35 [00:10:04] <annadane> it depends on what your use case is
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41 [00:11:26] <joepublic> testing is not as stable as stable for
everyday usage. only stable gets debian-security updates. only
stable is as stable as stable.
42 [00:11:27] <n4dir> as soon someone asks "is it stable
enough" or such, then it isn't. Because it can break
anytime.
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45 [00:12:03] <n4dir> if someone doesn't care about that,
then it might be the right choice (and still might not be. I can
think of better things then reparaing a broken system).
46 [00:12:17] <annadane> it's just kind of, do you want to
spend time fixing your computer or using your computer
47 [00:12:33] <annadane> stay with stable until you have a
compelling reason not to
48 [00:12:46] <shtrb> There was the bug that can make buster
boot hang for an hour ...
49 [00:12:49] <n4dir> well, annadane, if i could be sure it only
breaks when i got plenty of time ...
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51 [00:13:12] <n4dir> experience seems to show that it is always
the other way around.
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56 [00:14:21] <InvisibleRasta> is there an available repo with
pycharm. i cant find a way to install it
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58 [00:14:26] <n4dir> i'd always say use any form of
test-box and see for yourself.
59 [00:15:20] <bites> you get the upstream tarball for pycharm,
unpack it and run it from there.
60 [00:15:53] <joepublic> the answer to almost all of your
"is there an available repo" questions is going to be
"fix your sources.list to have the three entries shown above
and apt-get update"
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62 [00:16:11] <annadane> (though pycharm is not part of any
debian release)
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64 [00:16:24] <joepublic> hence the "almost" :)
65 [00:16:26] <InvisibleRasta> joepublic: pycharm is not in
debian repos for some reason
66 [00:16:43] <annadane> apparently they have a paid version and
a free version with less functionality. or something.
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68 [00:17:15] <joepublic> debian does not do
"freemium"
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70 [00:17:46] <joepublic> I think you can install pycharm with
snapd, but if not and the system breaks, you get to keep both
pieces:
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72 [00:17:56] <bites> debian could package pycharm-ce. it just
needs someone that actually wants to maintain it.
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74 [00:19:03] <blackflow> don't need snapd. just unpack it
somewhere and run from there.
75 [00:19:36] <blackflow> and it's not freemium. pycharm-ce
is fully functional. I use it for $work daily.
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77 [00:19:48] <InvisibleRasta> i guess then debian offers any
other python ide editor with similar options as pycharm?
78 [00:19:55] <blackflow> it's just taht the paid version
comes with a ton of additional features.
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80 [00:20:18] <blackflow> InvisibleRasta: if you find one, lemme
know. Meanwhile, Netbeans and Eclipse can do python.
81 [00:20:21] <joepublic> so, fullier functionalier?
82 [00:20:33] <blackflow> joepublic: not unlike gitlab :)
83 [00:22:16] <bites> except the state of eclipse is piss poor
in debian.
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86 [00:22:59] <InvisibleRasta> shall pycharm be instlled in
/opt/ as they say in the pycharm site?
87 [00:23:06] <blackflow> I do.
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91 [00:23:23] <InvisibleRasta> ill do to then
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95 [00:24:53] <altker128> Any ferm users in here?
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291 [02:42:08] <squarecircle> ohai
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293 [02:42:26] <squarecircle> whts the best way to boot to a
desktop and show a vm fullscreen
294 [02:42:27] <squarecircle> ?
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298 [02:45:32] <vlt> squarecircle: I use nodm
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304 [02:54:48] <awal1> squarecircle, virtualbox or qemu-kvm or
...?
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317 [03:07:31] <squarecircle> qemu-kvm
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338 [03:31:42] <awal1> squarecircle, 'nodm' for
autologin as you have been told
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340 [03:32:24] <awal1> qemu-kvm have no support for fullscreen
mode for guest os right now
341 [03:33:03] <awal1> squarecircle, you can fullscreen qemu-kvm
window itself but no the guest
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345 [03:34:52] <awal1> you can do with virtualbox via
'virtualbox-guest-dkms/utils/x11' installing them in the
guest
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347 [03:35:12] <awal1> supposing your guest is debian
348 [03:35:32] <awal1> not sure about other gnu/linux OS or
Windows
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351 [03:36:29] <__m4ch1n3__> Hello! How do I change how long it
takes until monitor powersaving turns monitor blank/sleep from
commandline?
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353 [03:36:45] <__m4ch1n3__> from X session
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358 [03:37:40] <__m4ch1n3__> I have only openbox-session as DE so
there is no fancy powermanager gui
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380 [03:55:30] <__m4ch1n3__> powersaving commandline how?
381 [03:55:37] <__m4ch1n3__> over and out
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390 [04:04:07] <rwp> __m4ch1n3__, Use the 'xset'
command. Run it without args for a usage message. "xset q"
to query it for current settings.
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538 [06:06:33] <multi_io> your paste thingy wants to run flash
539 [06:07:09] <multi_io> anyway
540 [06:07:28] <multi_io> cron seems to be broken:
replaced-url
541 [06:07:49] <multi_io> or what am I doing wrong there?
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563 [06:23:31] <tomreyn> multi_io: what is "your paste
thing"?
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566 [06:25:16] <__m4ch1n3__> multi_io, did you made olaf
executable?
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568 [06:25:49] <tomreyn> also it should have been crontabS on
that path
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571 [06:26:22] <tomreyn> oh it is, sorry, my bad
572 [06:27:07] <tomreyn> but ownership + permissions will be
wrong on this file
573 [06:27:40] <tomreyn> needs to be olaf:crontab, 0600
574 [06:28:18] <tomreyn> same for the users' crontabs
directory.
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577 [06:31:56] * multi_io tries that
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583 [06:36:03] <multi_io> hm, indeed, with 0600 olaf:crontab it
seems to work, thanks
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586 [06:37:08] <multi_io> seems to be wholly undocumented
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588 [06:38:09] <multi_io> probably because the crontab tool
usually handles this
589 [06:38:27] <tomreyn> right, you're not using the
documented approach to installa crontab
590 [06:38:41] <tomreyn> so dont expect things to work
591 [06:38:53] <multi_io> I'm trying to run cron in a docker
container, hence this approach
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594 [06:39:22] <multi_io> would be nice if -f also caused the
logs to go to stdout :D
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599 [06:41:12] <tomreyn> that'd be unexpected. you can
always redirect them, though
600 [06:41:42] <multi_io> "your paste thing" = the site
that /msg dpkg paste recommends
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602 [06:42:55] <tomreyn> it recommends several sites
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604 [06:44:25] <multi_io> ok, right
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756 [08:37:59] <c|oneman> how do I continue typing stuff while im
waiting for a command to finish
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762 [08:41:03] <rudi_s> c|oneman: Use a separate terminal (either
via a new terminal emulator window, screen or tmux).
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765 [08:41:37] <rudi_s> You can put commands in the background
with Ctrl-Z and can keep them running in the back with bg, but that
does not work for interactive commands or programs with output.
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767 [08:43:11] <c|oneman> okay. just making sure im not doing
something inefficient
768 [08:43:39] <rudi_s> ;-)
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770 [08:44:26] <rudi_s> If you have the screen space and are
comfortable with it, the simplest are multiple terminal emulator
windows.
771 [08:44:52] <rudi_s> screen/tmux multiplex multiple terminals
inside a single terminal window. Then you can switch between them
(and do some other cool stuff) by pressing a specific key
combination.
772 [08:44:55] <rudi_s> c|oneman: ^
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808 [09:12:21] <trysten> I have <Location "/">
RewriteRule (.*)
replaced-url
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810 [09:13:17] <trysten> RewriteBase "/" etc
doesn't seem to change anything
811 [09:14:52] <at0m> trysten: for specific programs, maybe try
their dedicated channels? #apache
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1055 [11:30:26] <armu> grep -rRo
'/^(0x)?([A-Fa-f0-9]{64})$/' test why does this regex
return nothing on a ethereum tx id?
(0xcfe190154ed11838b8c42b28bc67a9ce4f38db24fa573eefb031f8c8ffc11a6f)
for example
1056 [11:30:30] <armu> grep -rRo
'/^(0x)?([A-Fa-f0-9]{64})$/' test why does this regex
return nothing on a ethereum tx id?
(0xcfe190154ed11838b8c42b28bc67a9ce4f38db24fa573eefb031f8c8ffc11a6f)
for example
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1061 [11:34:06] <quantumman> hello, does anyone know how to fix
stuttering on VLC? I am running optimus system : lspci | grep -i vga
1062 [11:34:07] <quantumman> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller:
Intel Corporation Device 591b (rev 04)
1063 [11:34:07] <quantumman> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] (rev ff)
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1069 [11:36:29] <diogenes_> quantumman, stuttering?
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1074 [11:37:47] <quantumman> like I constantly see line blinking
in the film
1075 [11:38:29] <quantumman> the picture stutters
replaced-url
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1078 [11:40:54] <diogenes_> quantumman, glxinfo | grep
"OpenGL renderer"
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1080 [11:41:26] <quantumman> @diogenes_ OpenGL renderer string:
Mesa DRI Intel(R) Kabylake GT2
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1082 [11:42:48] <diogenes_> and if you run: optirun vlc
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1084 [11:44:54] <quantumman> here diogenes_,
replaced-url
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1092 [11:48:11] <diogenes_> quantumman, optirun glxspheres
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1094 [11:48:15] <diogenes_> does it work?
1095 [11:48:39] <quantumman> [981099.580471] [ERROR]Error running
"glxspheres": No such file or directory
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1097 [11:49:08] <quantumman> glxgears?
1098 [11:49:41] <quantumman> glxgears works
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1101 [11:51:16] <diogenes_> quantumman, optirun glxgears, not just
glxgears
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1103 [11:51:51] <quantumman> done optirun glxgears works
1104 [11:52:07] <diogenes_> ok, is vlc from debian repos?
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1107 [11:53:55] <quantumman> yes it is, I check my synaptic
package manger
1108 [11:54:00] <quantumman> *manager
1109 [11:54:11] <quantumman> it's listed there
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1111 [11:54:41] <diogenes_> the fact that it's listed in
synaptic doesn't mean at all that it's installed from
debian repos
1112 [11:55:16] <diogenes_> try to apt purge vlc to remove it
completely then, apt install vlc
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1115 [11:59:34] <quantumman> done, still stuttering abit
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1118 [11:59:59] <quantumman> should I try optirun vlc again
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1127 [12:03:35] <quantumman> diogenes_, here's a vlc without
the optirun
replaced-url
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1129 [12:05:01] <quantumman> Here's optirun vlc again
replaced-url
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1131 [12:06:22] <quantumman> looks the same on optirun vlc, but I
found additional information on 'vlc move_example.mp4' in
replaced-url
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1155 [12:19:19] <diogenes_> quantumman, and what about mplayer,
mpv, smplayer
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1160 [12:23:52] <quantumman> smplayer - same, parole media player
-same
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1162 [12:24:09] <quantumman> It's like a flickering really
annoying
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1164 [12:24:39] <quantumman> sometimes with stuttering
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1166 [12:24:57] <quantumman> diogenes_, This is my system
information inc dmesg
1167 [12:24:57] <quantumman>
replaced-url
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1171 [12:27:43] <diogenes_> quantumman, ok let's try a trick
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1173 [12:28:10] <quantumman> sounds good diogenes_ what's
your idea :)
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1175 [12:28:30] <diogenes_> quantumman, just a sec, gonna finish
my game :)
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1183 [12:32:32] <diogenes_> quantumman, run: sudo touch
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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1187 [12:36:47] <quantumman> touch: cannot touch
'/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf': No such file or
directory
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1190 [12:37:38] <diogenes_> quantumman, run: ls
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
1191 [12:37:43] <diogenes_> tell me what you get
1192 [12:38:02] <jasabella> hello, i just upgraded my testing and
now it wont boot, i dont even get to grub - did i do something silly
like not update grub after upgrading lvm?
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1194 [12:38:48] <quantumman> bash: cd: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d: No
such file or directory
1195 [12:38:56] <diogenes_> quantumman, sudo mkdir
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && sudo touch
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
1196 [12:39:40] <quantumman> diogenes_ I have done this before if
I do this sometimes I get the black screen of death
1197 [12:39:56] <diogenes_> don't worry
1198 [12:40:04] <diogenes_> did you run it?
1199 [12:40:05] <quantumman> just a black screen when logging back
in
1200 [12:40:08] <jasabella> (fwiw everything is intact, i can
mount the lvm vg in a live env, /boot isnt under lvm)
1201 [12:40:38] <diogenes_> quantumman, you probably did
xorg.conf, that one causes black screen
1202 [12:40:50] <diogenes_> of course if you don't know what
youa re doing
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1204 [12:41:37] <quantumman> done
1205 [12:41:50] <diogenes_> quantumman, now run: sudo nano
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
1206 [12:42:03] <diogenes_> open this link:
replaced-url
1207 [12:42:17] <diogenes_> copy it's content into the nano
terminal
1208 [12:42:36] <quantumman> done
1209 [12:42:39] <diogenes_> after that you hit: ctrl+o and save
1210 [12:42:44] <diogenes_> then ctrl+x to exit
1211 [12:42:59] <quantumman> yep got it
1212 [12:43:02] <jasabella> hmmm maybe i need to update-initramfs
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1214 [12:43:13] <diogenes_> after that run: cat
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
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1216 [12:43:17] <diogenes_> share the link
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1224 [12:44:45] <quantumman> I don't have netcat
1225 [12:44:58] <diogenes_> then just pastebin it
1226 [12:45:00] <quantumman> I can send you the MD5 sum?
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1228 [12:45:14] <diogenes_> pastebin cat
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
1229 [12:46:31] <quantumman>
replaced-url
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1232 [12:47:22] <diogenes_> quantumman, looks good, before you
reboot, keep in mind this command: sudo rm
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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1234 [12:47:34] <diogenes_> if you get the black screen (you
shouldn't)
1235 [12:47:43] <quantumman> yep good I will
1236 [12:47:50] <quantumman> then come back here right
1237 [12:47:50] <diogenes_> ok reboot
1238 [12:47:55] <diogenes_> yes
1239 [12:48:08] <quantumman> Okay see you in abit
1240 [12:48:16] <diogenes_> hopefully XD
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1252 [12:53:59] <quantumman> back
1253 [12:54:04] <quantumman> thank god!
1254 [12:54:06] <quantumman> lol
1255 [12:54:10] <diogenes_> hehe
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1258 [12:54:28] <diogenes_> what about the issue?
1259 [12:54:28] <quantumman> last time i tried xorg.conf
1260 [12:54:37] <quantumman> drove me nuts lol
1261 [12:54:41] <quantumman> checking now
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1268 [12:57:38] <quantumman> still flickering
1269 [12:57:44] <quantumman> choppy as
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1271 [12:58:43] <diogenes_> quantumman, then most likely you might
want to try a newer kernel to get a better support for your graphics
1272 [13:00:00] <quantumman> diogenes_, Linux ethos 4.9.0-8-amd64
is my kernel
1273 [13:00:22] <diogenes_> just as another try is to: sudo nano
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
1274 [13:00:26] <diogenes_> and change
1275 [13:00:46] <diogenes_> uxa
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1277 [13:00:48] <diogenes_> to sna
1278 [13:01:05] <diogenes_> reboot and try again, if doesn't
help, then try a newer kernel
1279 [13:01:12] <diogenes_> 4.15 4.18
1280 [13:01:29] <quantumman> okay see you soon
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1298 [13:07:34] <quantumman> diogenes_, is there anyway to know
the "right" kernel to install?
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1301 [13:08:13] <diogenes_> quantumman, what is the release year
of your cpu
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1303 [13:10:18] <at0m> dpkg: tell quantumman about bumblebee
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1306 [13:10:49] <diogenes_> at0m, he already has bbee
1307 [13:11:15] <at0m> and he knows how to use it?
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1310 [13:11:56] <at0m> i dont think vlc uses bumblebee, since
it's "stuttering and pixelated"
1311 [13:12:10] <at0m> s/uses/is told to use
1312 [13:12:33] <quantumman> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @
2.80GHz - launch date Q1'17
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1316 [13:13:24] <diogenes_> quantumman, so the year is 2018?
1317 [13:13:27] <at0m> 5yo i5 and old nvidia here, vlc plays all i
got nicely without the nvidia card even
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1319 [13:13:43] <diogenes_> oh 2017
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1322 [13:13:59] <diogenes_> quantumman, so try 4.15 kernel forst
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1324 [13:14:02] <diogenes_> first*
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1336 [13:17:23] <quantumman> at0m, personally I find with the
drivers installed I get a much sharper viewing experience although
the sacrifice is the stuttering and tearing on the VLC
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1338 [13:17:43] <quantumman> noveau drivers was what I was using
last
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1345 [13:19:34] <quantumman> diogenes_, should I do a backup?
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1347 [13:20:16] <diogenes_> quantumman, if you got anything
precious then you must have backups in any case
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1349 [13:20:36] <diogenes_> when it comes about kernel upgrade it
won't affect anything
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1352 [13:21:07] <quantumman> persistent mounts won't be an
issue?
1353 [13:21:07] <diogenes_> you need to keep the previous kernels
too in case you can't boot the newest ones you can revert to
the older ones
1354 [13:21:25] <diogenes_> won't be a problem
1355 [13:21:26] <quantumman> oh okay that makes perfect sense
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1361 [13:23:56] <quantumman> diogenes_, can't see 4.15. Got
4.17 and 4.18
1362 [13:24:14] <quantumman> should I try 4.17 as its the next one
up?
1363 [13:24:20] <diogenes_> yes try that one
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1372 [13:29:28] <quantumman> okay restarting now
1373 [13:29:31] <quantumman> see ya
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1388 [13:36:51] <samba35> how do i search or get the all
kernel/grub loadable option ?
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1390 [13:37:56] <samba35> say i want to check vfio or acs ,kernel
or grub cmdline option
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1397 [13:42:19] <quantumman> diogenes_, MATE it worked!!!
1398 [13:42:26] <quantumman> so much better
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1401 [13:43:30] <diogenes_> quantumman, if you try 4.19, might be
even better XD
1402 [13:43:38] <diogenes_> but not guaranteed
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1404 [13:44:00] <diogenes_> so if it works well then leave it like
that
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1424 [13:56:08] <quantumman> diogenes_, I'll keep it like
this as the 4.18 kernel looks complicated - i think they might still
be working on it
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1427 [13:57:09] <diogenes_> quantumman, ok
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1430 [13:58:09] <quantumman> thanks man I really appreciate it
mate
1431 [13:58:22] <quantumman> it's been so annoying lol
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1437 [14:03:23] <diogenes_> quantumman, no problem :)
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1451 [14:09:45] <Sellerie> Hi
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1453 [14:10:23] <Sellerie> Is this a place where I can ask for
support?
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1456 [14:10:36] <diogenes_> yes
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1459 [14:11:02] <Sellerie> Nice
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1461 [14:12:05] <Sellerie> Well I have a T430 that I installed
Debian on a long time ago. This is the only installation I have that
actually boots
1462 [14:12:15] <Sellerie> (It's buster)
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1468 [14:13:35] <Sellerie> I tried reinstalling Debian 9 and 10
last evening. It installs fine, but, after I chose the new Debian
installation in GRUB to boot, I only get a black screen
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1472 [14:14:39] <diogenes_> Sellerie, in grub try to add nomodeset
option
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1474 [14:16:13] <Sellerie> as last entry in the linux line?
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1478 [14:17:28] <diogenes_> Sellerie, yes
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1484 [14:19:50] <Sellerie> Glad I have that broken Debian install
laying around on that drive RN
1485 [14:20:24] <Sellerie> I removed the `quiet` and added
`nomodeset`, but now I get a non-blinking cursor at the top left of
my screen
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1490 [14:22:12] <Sellerie> yep, nothing's happening on that
one
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1496 [14:25:50] <Sellerie> There also seems to be no more
harddrive activity anymore as the HDD led stays dark after that
1497 [14:26:00] <diogenes_> Sellerie, then instead of nomodeset
1498 [14:26:07] <diogenes_> try: acpi=off
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1500 [14:27:02] <Sellerie> Still nothing
1501 [14:28:24] <diogenes_> weird
1502 [14:28:40] <Sellerie> I am out of ideas too, that's why
I came here :)
1503 [14:29:05] <diogenes_> what DE did you pick?
1504 [14:29:11] <Sellerie> btw current archlinux live disks work,
also the installer works flawlessly (as far das it seems to install
a working OS)
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1506 [14:29:16] <Sellerie> KDE and XFCE
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1508 [14:29:43] <Sellerie> but that should come to relevance yet,
as I have an encrypted harddrive and its not even asking for the
password
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1511 [14:29:50] <diogenes_> and how did you partition the drive
also what is the filesystem?
1512 [14:30:30] <Sellerie> its dos partition table (BIOS), /boot
(ext4) 1G, luks, in the container ext4
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1516 [14:32:23] <diogenes_> Sellerie, i'd suggest to
re-install using one of these isos:
replaced-url
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1543 [14:47:32] <velix> Can I make cronjobs output to
systemd's journal or do I need to write my own timer service?
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1545 [14:47:58] <velix> Right now, neither stdout, nor stderr are
written to the journal
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1548 [14:48:20] <GNU\colossus> velix, you can use `systemd-run` in
your cronjob to run whatever command you're executing in a
transient service unit
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1551 [14:48:35] <velix> GNU\colossus: oh! let me try. thx
1552 [14:48:48] <GNU\colossus> also, there's systemd timer
units. they can fully replace cron.
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1556 [14:49:38] <velix> GNU\colossus: Yeah, I've played with
it some minutes ago... but cron is sooo simple :D
1557 [14:49:41] <velix> GNU\colossus: thanks, it works.
1558 [14:49:50] <velix> I think, systemd timer is cleaner,
isn't it?
1559 [14:50:03] <velix> No mixing of "old" and
"new".
1560 [14:50:10] <GNU\colossus> it is cleaner in my book, yeah
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1562 [14:50:32] <GNU\colossus> but I do appreciate some of
cron's behaviours - like getting output mailed.
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1565 [14:50:55] <velix> GNU\colossus: Wow, systemd can't do
this?
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1568 [14:51:13] <GNU\colossus> we're increasingly migrating
towards systemd timers (because the journal integration and
management experience is far superior over cron), and implemented
_some_ features ourselves
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1570 [14:51:29] <GNU\colossus> like getting an email if the
service unit the timer triggers fails
1571 [14:51:49] <GNU\colossus> I'm not aware of a
"native" solution to that problem in systemd
1572 [14:52:27] <velix> :(
1573 [14:52:53] <Sellerie> Ok, interesting. The debian live iso is
booting
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1576 [14:53:35] <GNU\colossus> velix, your systemd unit can have
custom (and default) "OnFailure" properties
1577 [14:53:45] <GNU\colossus> it's where we handle sending
mail for failed timer-triggered units
1578 [14:53:50] <AebianWeb> anyone here uses QEMU? I'm
connected via VNC to my debian box but for some reason the mouse and
keyboard are not working inside the VM in QEMU. Debian is latest
9.5. Tried different desktop environments but still same issue,
1579 [14:53:55] <GNU\colossus> it's very convenient, but you
have to know you can do it :)
1580 [14:53:59] <velix> GNU\colossus:
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1581 [14:54:14] <GNU\colossus> yup
1582 [14:54:19] <velix> hacky
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1585 [14:54:51] <GNU\colossus> the way the UNIX gods intended,
I'd say ;)
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1587 [14:55:23] <blackflow> not sure if hacky, or totally in line
with an event-based process management paradigm that systemd is.
1588 [14:55:29] <jasabella> grub install appears to have been
incomplete aftere my upgrade, boot into a live disk and chroot
update-grub? anything i'm missing?
1589 [14:56:01] <blackflow> sure MAILTO is very convenient to get
a "message" but what can you do in cron if you want an
action to happen on fail?
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1595 [14:59:44] <AebianWeb> fixed my issue. Had to also add the
Tablet usb device as hardware
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1597 [15:00:29] <AebianWeb> in virt-manager
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1607 [15:11:06] <annadane> Aebian, for the record 9.6 is latest
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1609 [15:15:04] <NetTerminalGene> i use firejailed firefox-esr
with modified firefox-esr.desktop but after every update
firefox-esr.desktop resetted and turn back its defaults. if i chattr
+i would it cause trouble when updateing firefox?
1610 [15:15:25] <NetTerminalGene> or any other issues
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1617 [15:17:37] <chomwitt> does reportbug supports STARTTLS
authentication to send an email bug report?
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1619 [15:18:50] <petn-randall> chomwitt: Sure, see 'man
reportbug.conf'.
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1627 [15:22:44] <chomwitt> it mentions TLS encryption. anyway
maybe i have a more serious issue. I dont know if a have a mail
agent.I just have thunderbirt install.
1628 [15:23:38] <petn-randall> chomwitt: You can configure
reportbug to use a local MTA, but this is not necessary.
There's a mode (IIRC the default), where it directly contacts
the Debian MTA.
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1631 [15:24:55] <chomwitt> so then authentication must be the
issue, cause report bug fails when i give my smtp password.
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1635 [15:25:42] <Sellerie> Can anyone help me? I reinstalled
Debian on my Thinkpad T430 last night but after the (apparently
successful install) it blackscreens after selecting Debian in
GRUB...
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1640 [15:27:55] <quantumman> Sellerie, have you tried using a live
cd to boot, and then mount the file system from the terminal?
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1642 [15:28:15] <quantumman> you'll be able to access your
files maybe?
1643 [15:28:16] <Sellerie> I can boot live CDs and DVDs flawlessly
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1645 [15:28:21] <chomwitt> Sellerie: livecd was on top of tongue
too.. :-)
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1648 [15:28:42] <Sellerie> But I cannot boot the fresh Debian
install
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1652 [15:29:33] <quantumman> try bios settings with EFI?
1653 [15:29:40] <joepublic> Sellerie, can you during these black
screen boot failures use control+alt+f1 through control-alt-f6 to
switch to a virtual terminal that may not be completely black?
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1655 [15:29:51] <quantumman> good idea joepublic
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1657 [15:30:15] <Sellerie> joepublic: Nothing's shown on
screen, HDD LED doesnt light up anymore
1658 [15:30:16] <quantumman> I bet you need to disable secure boot
in bios?
1659 [15:30:39] <Sellerie> Nah, CSM is enabled
1660 [15:30:56] <quantumman> then joepublic suggestion is next
1661 [15:31:29] <quantumman> I would try to boot it normally in
grub with the debug mode on
1662 [15:31:59] <Sellerie> Nope, nothing happens
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1664 [15:32:14] <Sellerie> Also I wasnt able to type the luks
password yet
1665 [15:32:39] <Sellerie> quantumman: More infos on that please
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1668 [15:34:01] <quantumman> when you get to the grub screen use
the editor to edit the grub boot settings
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1670 [15:35:34] <quantumman>
#GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
1671 [15:35:35] <quantumman>
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
1672 [15:35:42] <Sellerie> I already removed the `quiet` option in
the linux line, but that doesnt change anything
1673 [15:35:54] <Sellerie> Still nothing's happening
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1675 [15:36:32] <Sellerie> Oh, I actually have a working version
of Debian that is booting, its an older install but the python
enviroment is messed up (which was the reason I wanted to reinstall
in the first place)
1676 [15:37:05] <joepublic> from the working install can you read
the /var/log/kern.log from the broken one?
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1678 [15:37:58] <Sellerie> Let me try
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1682 [15:38:48] <quantumman> joepublic, I was thinking maybe grub
isn't booting the right kernel image? or the correct location
of the initrd file?
1683 [15:39:10] <Sellerie> That could actually be possible, but
would GRUB complain then?
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1685 [15:40:13] <joepublic> you could boot with the super grub 2
rescue disc, choose second option "detect boot methods",
boot into it that way, and then update-grub, if the grub
configuration were the problem.
1686 [15:40:24] <Sellerie> joepublic: I cant grab the file there,
the /var directory is on an encrypted partition but I've never
been asked for the password
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1691 [15:40:52] <quantumman> can't you mount it with a
password?
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1694 [15:41:08] <Sellerie> quantumman: I can, but how is it
supposed to land there in the first place
1695 [15:41:10] <quantumman> I assume you know the encrypted
mount's password
1696 [15:41:18] <Sellerie> Of course I do
1697 [15:41:21] <joepublic> Sellerie, very good point
1698 [15:42:02] <quantumman> sorry I thought you'd be
mounting it from a live cd?
1699 [15:42:17] <Sellerie> Nah thats not the issue
1700 [15:42:34] <Sellerie> Its mountable without any issues from a
working installation
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1702 [15:42:59] <Sellerie> Oh wait, let me compare the GRUB
configs, maybe there's a weird quirk in it
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1707 [15:45:08] <Sellerie> WTF there's basically no
difference in the first boot entry besides the harddrive definition
and UUID. Oh, and also the kernel of the working version is 4.18,
but older kernels did work too
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1712 [15:48:55] <velix> Sorry for asking in here, but ##security
seems to be a generic talk about world's security right now
(they're talking about making drones better to harm airports).
I'm running a container using systemd-nspawn for Apache with
php7-FPM (its own user). Container is run unpriviliged with
--emphesis (changes are gone after exit) and the http-directory is
mounted from the host read-only (--bind-ro). I've also limited
some kernel capabilities. Now I
1713 [15:48:55] <velix> need one path to write in an save its
contents. Shall I create a huge loopback device on the host and bind
it RW into the container?
1714 [15:49:24] <Sellerie> joepublic: quantumman Any more ideas?
:/
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1717 [15:50:53] <quantumman> i assume you tried booting the old
kernels?
1718 [15:51:35] <rudi_s> Hi. I'm trying to install a Debian
VM via preseed in the debian installer: For that I use virt-install
--location
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1719 [15:51:41] <joepublic> super grub 2 boot iso / detect boot
methods / boot / update-grub
1720 [15:51:41] <rudi_s> ...where I can find them?
1721 [15:51:59] <blackflow> velix: no, why? you can bind mount a
path rw
1722 [15:52:02] <Sellerie> Well the booting installation is the
one I ran with for about 5 months flawlessly while updating
regularily, it hasnt failed on my so far
1723 [15:52:16] <Sellerie> joepublic: I'm gonna test that
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1725 [15:52:57] <velix> blackflow: I thought, I could encrypt the
fs of the image ... so the data in the is protected.
1726 [15:53:05] <velix> blackflow: Just some security stuff.
1727 [15:53:22] <blackflow> velix: are you using containers to run
non-debian or non-standard packages?
1728 [15:53:22] <quantumman> Sellerie, I'm starting to think
maybe a failed hdd?
1729 [15:53:36] <velix> blackflow: no.
1730 [15:53:45] <velix> blackflow: standard debian, standard
debian packages.
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1732 [15:54:02] <Sellerie> quantumman: Its an SSD that I bought
just recently, and also I was able to install it without any issues
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1734 [15:54:15] <blackflow> velix: I wouldn't bother with
that then. system service units can define filesystem
namespace/views so that everything is readonly except a few select
paths where the service must write. that's what I do, and also
compounded with an apparmor policy.
1735 [15:54:46] <blackflow> velix: it's very powerful and
granular, one doesn't need "box-like" containers at
all, unless you wanna run non-standard stuff in them.
1736 [15:55:12] <Sellerie> quantumman: Oh wtf, I may have found an
issue
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1739 [15:55:49] <velix> blackflow: The box like containers give me
the possibility to stay at a fixed version and to "switch"
to a container with newer versions.
1740 [15:55:52] <blackflow> velix: look at ProtectSystem=strict
and ReadWritePaths service unit directives
1741 [15:55:54] <quantumman> whats the issue Sellerie
1742 [15:56:02] <velix> blackflow: It also keeps my root host
clean ;)
1743 [15:56:03] <Sellerie> Nah wait its fine, its just a logical
partition (was confused about the pttype that says dos, but thats
normal)
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1746 [15:56:27] <velix> blackflow: to keep channel clean, you
could contact me by PM if you want?
1747 [15:56:49] <Sellerie> For a moment I thought its another dos
partition table on sda2 containing the luks drive. That wouldve been
weird
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1749 [15:56:58] <blackflow> velix: look at RootDirectory directive
then.
1750 [15:57:08] <velix> blackflow: ok
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1752 [15:57:34] <blackflow> at any rate even if you do need
nspawn, you can --bind any path as rw. you don't really need to
complicate things with loopback
1753 [15:57:55] <quantumman> i remember partition tables can be
GPT or MBR would this affect it Sellerie
1754 [15:58:38] <blackflow> velix: though I'm not sure about
"version" you mention, since you said it's standard
debian packages. so you ARE using different versions? what, buster
chroots on stretch host?
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1756 [15:58:50] <Sellerie> quantumman: I only have dos partition
tables
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1762 [16:00:02] <velix> blackflow: stretch on stretch ;D
1763 [16:00:37] <blackflow> velix: then what did you mean by
"fixed version" and containers with "newer
versions"? updates?
1764 [16:01:30] <velix> blackflow: Yeah... I mean, containers are
small and nice. My apache container is about 150 MB in total. I
thought, why not, doesn't hurt.
1765 [16:01:33] <quantumman> okay, I can't really think of
anything else Sellerie
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1768 [16:02:42] <blackflow> velix: it totally complicates updating
everything though. dunno, if that works for you, then fine :) I
personally wouldn't and don't bother, systemd's
isolation directives + apparmor profiles work best for me.
1769 [16:02:47] <Sellerie> joepublic: super grub disk found the
grub config entry, but it blackscreened from there aswell
1770 [16:02:51] <Sellerie> quantumman: :(
1771 [16:03:05] <quantumman> Sellerie, could it be a permissions
issue?
1772 [16:03:14] <Sellerie> quantumman: Please elaborate
1773 [16:03:17] <joepublic> Sellerie, ouch
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1775 [16:04:05] <Sellerie> I can actually copy the kernel and
initrd over and tryna boot these
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1777 [16:04:50] <quantumman> file system with unusual permissions
that would somehow prevent files being access at boot time or
something Im just guessing now
1778 [16:05:23] <Sellerie> quantumman: I wonder how it can become
unusual, as I've never been able to actually modify it without
mounting it externally
1779 [16:05:45] <Sellerie> Everything that has been done was done
by the Debian installer
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1785 [16:08:26] <quantumman> Sellerie, just trying to think - that
one wasnt a good idea
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1788 [16:08:43] <quantumman> UUID are correct right? Sellerie
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1790 [16:09:12] <Sellerie> quantumman: lemme check
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1794 [16:12:14] <Sellerie> quantumman: They look about right
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1796 [16:12:55] <quantumman> Sellerie, I am out of ideas
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1798 [16:13:15] <Sellerie> I found something interesting
1799 [16:13:26] <quantumman> personally I think maybe your using
an old version of grub
1800 [16:13:31] <Sellerie> I just compared the grub config files
once again
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1802 [16:13:49] <quantumman> yeah and?
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1805 [16:14:31] <Sellerie> Apparently the working
installation's linux config has a UUID set as root, but the
fresh installation uses '/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt' instead
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1809 [16:16:35] <Sellerie> Maybe that's broken
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1811 [16:18:54] <quantumman> try using gparted live cd that's
what I would do
1812 [16:19:37] <quantumman> then I would try to find information
on every partition on the disk
1813 [16:20:16] <Sellerie> Ok, switching it to a UUID didnt help
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1815 [16:21:23] <Sellerie> quantumman: What info do you mean?
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1817 [16:21:32] <Sellerie> I can get infos without gparted too
1818 [16:21:55] <quantumman> like fdisk
1819 [16:22:03] <quantumman> parted etc
1820 [16:22:09] <quantumman> lsblk
1821 [16:22:14] <Sellerie> yes
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1824 [16:23:01] <Sellerie> From the working debian, it seems like
the only difference is that the broken one has it's luks
partition inside of a logical partition
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1828 [16:24:50] <quantumman> hey check this out
replaced-url
1829 [16:25:00] <quantumman> GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y ??
1830 [16:25:21] <spidget> how do i apply the tunables from
powertop whenever i switch to battery? most places say put it in
rc.local, but it seems the settings get lost when i
connect/disconnect the power lead
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1840 [16:29:17] <Sellerie> quantumman: but my /boot is not
encrypted^^
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1844 [16:31:30] <Sellerie> quantumman: Now that we are
experimenting anyway now, I am going to try out an unencrypted
install, maybe there's something broken regarding the
encryption
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1846 [16:31:57] <quantumman> Sellerie, I am off now too late here
1847 [16:32:26] <Sellerie> Alright
1848 [16:32:35] <Sellerie> I'll keep trying and experimenting
1849 [16:32:39] <quantumman> If you really want to be sure you
could disconnect the hard drive and plug it into another computer to
see if grub is the problem
1850 [16:32:42] <Sellerie> Thanks for your help so far!
1851 [16:32:56] <Sellerie> Sounds like an idea, I could try this
later
1852 [16:33:00] <quantumman> what version of grub are you using?
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1861 [16:35:03] <Sellerie> quantumman: 2.02+dfsg1-9
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1863 [16:35:09] <Sellerie> On the non-working
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1865 [16:35:39] <Sellerie> Its the same on the working one
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1939 [17:09:40] <jasabella> does anyone run debian on a thinkpad?
i'm having trouble getting mine to boot after an upgrade with
testing
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1942 [17:10:07] <jasabella> grub doesn't even start,
i've tried chroot'ing and update-initramfs and update-grub
1943 [17:11:34] <ppafin> jasabella: mine runs just fine, not on
testing though
1944 [17:12:03] <Sellerie> jasabella: black screen after grub?
1945 [17:12:12] <jasabella> no grub at all
1946 [17:12:14] <Sellerie> Oh
1947 [17:12:22] <Sellerie> Well then I have another issue tho
1948 [17:12:26] <jasabella> i get the 'bios' screen
selecting a device to boot from
1949 [17:12:29] <jasabella> it boots ok from usb
1950 [17:12:42] <Sellerie> UEFI or BIOS?
1951 [17:12:42] <jasabella> i can mount the partitions from a live
usb
1952 [17:12:44] <jasabella> uefi
1953 [17:12:51] <jasabella> with gpt
1954 [17:12:53] <Sellerie> Okay
1955 [17:13:13] <jasabella> /boot and /boot/efi are ok
1956 [17:13:20] <Sellerie> Did you setup a chroot jail and install
the GRUB freshly?
1957 [17:13:30] <jasabella> yep
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1959 [17:13:35] <Sellerie> Okay
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1961 [17:14:00] <Sellerie> And what happens instead of an UEFI
popping up?
1962 [17:14:26] <jasabella> mounted /, /boot, /boot/efi, /sys,
/dev, /proc ... chrooted into that and run update-initramfs,
update-grub
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1964 [17:14:40] <jasabella> i get the thnkpad screen selecting a
device to boot from
1965 [17:14:58] <Sellerie> And when choosing grub, you just return
to that?
1966 [17:15:01] <jasabella> choosing the grub device lands me back
on the same screen
1967 [17:15:02] <jasabella> yeah
1968 [17:15:42] <Sellerie> wait
1969 [17:15:46] <Sellerie> UEFI doesnt work like that
1970 [17:16:18] <Sellerie> there should be GRUB in the boot
manager menu in case youre using UEFI
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1973 [17:17:38] <jasabella> i select the disk labelled
'grub'
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1977 [17:17:57] <Sellerie> Okay
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1982 [17:18:21] <Sellerie> Can you please run mentioned live usb?
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1987 [17:20:01] <Sellerie> And run efibootmgr
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1996 [17:24:54] <Sellerie> jasabella: What does it put out?
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2001 [17:25:21] <jasabella> ok let me check
2002 [17:25:58] <forester> Hi. I have 2 version of python (2 and
3) and one application. It work with one version and does not with
another. How to set python version for using with this application?
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2004 [17:26:31] <PaddyF> use the virtualenv line in the beginning
i would say
2005 [17:26:33] <Sellerie> forester: In case it's okay to
modify the program, you can set a sheband
2006 [17:26:38] <Sellerie> *sheband
2007 [17:26:41] <Sellerie> *shebang, sorry
2008 [17:26:42] <jasabella> i need to isntall it
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2010 [17:27:12] <Sellerie> well if there is enough space on that
enviroment, go for it
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2015 [17:28:52] <forester> Sellerie: I thought that maybe there is
an option to mark when launching an application something like this
"python -v2 (or -v3) ourApplicatin".
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2018 [17:29:31] <Sellerie> forester: Well here's the fun
thing regarding python: By default `python` still calls python 2,
while `python3` calls python 3
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2021 [17:31:41] <Sellerie> forester: So if you want to run it with
python 3, run it with `python3 <application>` (you can also
add a shebang in the first line of the program though, then you just
run it with `./<program>` and it starts without calling python
first
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2028 [17:34:13] <forester> Sellerie: Thank you. I need time to
try.
2029 [17:34:22] <Sellerie> forester: no problem
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2050 [17:46:54] <jasabella> Sellerie… i'm guessing i
need to run efibootmgr inside the chroot
2051 [17:47:10] <velix> blackflow: Sorry, I had a long phone call
2052 [17:47:30] <velix> blackflow: are you rentable?
2053 [17:47:39] <blackflow> velix: what? :)
2054 [17:47:55] <velix> blackflow: You seem to be experienced with
security.
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2056 [17:49:09] <blackflow> velix: I see what you're asking.
No, I'm not. I work for a company.
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2059 [17:51:22] <velix> blackflow: Hmm okay. Then I need to figure
it out for myself :(
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2061 [17:52:28] <jasabella> hmmm i definitely have the right
device boot order
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2066 [17:53:48] <Sellerie> It doesnt matter where its run
2067 [17:53:57] <Sellerie> It reads the variables from the efi
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2069 [17:54:28] <Sellerie> jasabella: put the output from it into
a pastebin pls
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2075 [17:57:09] <siwica> What is the currently recommended tool to
create private Debian archives?
2076 [17:57:26] <velix> blackflow: Google has about no info of
systemd's isolation directives for Apache and others.
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2078 [17:58:17] <siwica> Is aptly a good choice for a rather
simple repositoryß
2079 [17:58:20] <siwica> ?
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2087 [18:00:47] <jasabella> do i ned to run this in a chroot?
2088 [18:00:49] <blackflow> velix: ProtectSystem
2089 [18:01:07] <blackflow> it's not for a specific service,
it's for services in general. using =strict, you can then
define rw paths
2090 [18:01:12] <jasabella> Sellerie…
replaced-url
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2092 [18:01:26] <jasabella> Sellerie… do i need to run this
in a chroot?
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2096 [18:04:16] <ixc> blackflow: does ProtectSystem implies the
use of DynamicUser or can be used alone?
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2104 [18:08:04] <Sellerie> jasabella: sec
2105 [18:08:14] <Sellerie> No, you dont need to run it inside of a
chroot
2106 [18:08:17] <velix> blackflow: Ahh, it's some kind of
Sandboxing?!
2107 [18:08:26] <Sellerie> You can run it off the live media
2108 [18:08:52] <jasabella> yeah i dont see anything unexpected
hmmm
2109 [18:09:07] <Sellerie> This is obscure
2110 [18:09:11] <Sellerie> What thinkpad is it?
2111 [18:09:19] <jasabella> x230
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2113 [18:09:23] <Sellerie> Okay
2114 [18:09:48] <Sellerie> Hmm
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2116 [18:10:21] <jasabella> i wonder if this is a uefi bug or
blacklist thing i've hit
2117 [18:11:09] <Sellerie> There is a grub executable in your ESP?
2118 [18:11:28] <jasabella> yup
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2120 [18:11:37] <Sellerie> Okay
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2126 [18:13:18] <Sellerie> Thats really weird
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2128 [18:14:49] <Sellerie> Okay, I have another idea
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2131 [18:14:53] <Sellerie> We can do this manually
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2133 [18:15:21] <jasabella> (EFI/debian/grubx64.efi)
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2135 [18:16:06] <Sellerie> So, you basically do the following:
`grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=<where your ESP
it mounted RN, e.g. /boot/efi> --bootloader-id=test`
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2139 [18:16:56] <Sellerie> And then run efibootmgr again and see
what changed
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2143 [18:19:48] <blackflow> velix: no, namespacing, just like
containers. read in the systemd.exec manpage about it
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2146 [18:21:03] <jasabella> im tempted to just reinstall, i have a
separate / and /home so i'll be fine
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2153 [18:24:10] <Sellerie> jasabella: Well in the worst case, you
basically try whether that bug is cleanly reproducable
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2156 [18:24:26] <jasabella> yeah
2157 [18:24:31] <Sellerie> So that sounds like a good idea I guess
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2169 [18:31:33] <jasabella> is it worth setting a neutral locale
(e.g.en_US or C) and just customising it per user like you do with
timezones? hmm
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2182 [18:38:27] <Sellerie> jasabella: Depends strongly
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2184 [18:39:01] <Sellerie> I like my localisation, but well, it
certainly doesnt affect GRUB
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2186 [18:39:21] <jasabella> yeahmore an install question :)
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drivers?
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2250 [19:14:57] <NetTerminalGene> murii, for what?
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2258 [19:18:22] <brollyxkaze> Hey everyone
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2260 [19:18:40] <brollyxkaze> anyone knows how i can add flash
player for Opera browser in bunsenlabs linux ?
2261 [19:19:07] <murii> NetTerminalGene: intel hd graphics 4600
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2263 [19:20:14] <mtn> !bunsen
2264 [19:20:14] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community
continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox>
window manager. It is not supported in #debian.
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2265 [19:20:28] <NetTerminalGene> murii, your gpu is old. i think
they have already done all to support your gpu
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2267 [19:21:09] <murii> Hmm,well, I get black meshes in some 3D
games
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2290 [19:35:09] <lilith93> Hi, I have a stupid question: What the
best place to look for Debian bug reports?
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2293 [19:35:34] <lilith93> I looked at the debian site but is
there a list or something somewhere?
2294 [19:35:58] <mtn> !bugs
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2296 [19:36:07] <mtn> !bug
2297 [19:36:07] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
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2303 [19:38:51] <lilith93> dpkg: Thanks. I'm too stupid for
the search function though
2304 [19:38:51] <dpkg> lilith93: no problem
2305 [19:39:04] <mtn> heh
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2307 [19:39:36] <lilith93> I get kernel messages like
"[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update
failure on pipe A"
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2309 [19:39:51] <lilith93> now I wanted to look for bugs related
to this
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2332 [19:55:02] <velix> blackflow: the manual calls it sandboxing.
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2334 [19:55:34] <velix> Perhaps this feature is unstable, so it
doesn't have a name now?
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2342 [20:01:48] <blackflow> velix: well I avoid that term because
it implies a greater level of isolation, but eh, semantics. the
important thing is that you can achieve exactly the same effect,
security-wise, without needing the complexity of a separate root
dir.
2343 [20:02:30] <velix> blackflow: but how do I give more control
to it, f.e. allow reading a special directory?
2344 [20:02:51] <blackflow> velix: can you give an example?
2345 [20:03:26] <velix> blackflow: f.e. /var/replaced-url
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2348 [20:04:28] <azi`> I am using a debian jessie that I
don't have root access to
2349 [20:04:39] <blackflow> perhaps you misunderstood the feature
I was suggesting. ProtectSystem=strict makes evrything read-only to
the service except the special paths like /run/<service> . So
with that you only need to override readWRITE paths
2350 [20:04:40] <azi`> I'd like to install/run a program that
is in the repositories
2351 [20:04:46] <azi`> is there a way I could make things work
locally?
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2354 [20:05:18] <blackflow> velix: and if you want to further
restrict READable paths, you need a MAC policy like with AppArmor or
SELinux.
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2356 [20:06:18] <velix> blackflow: But isn't that way more
complicated than putting it in a read-only container, bind the
http-dir as readonly and just allow upload?
2357 [20:06:31] <velix> blackflow: actually, for me it is. Not for
you ;)
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2362 [20:08:20] <blackflow> velix: how can it possibly be more
complicated? You only add a few lines to the already existing
service unit (in fact you make a drop-in under /etc/systemd/system/
)
2363 [20:08:46] <blackflow> velix: in contrast, a full container
requires you to maintain a whole separate root directory, its
updates as well.
2364 [20:09:04] <velix> blackflow: apt update && apt
upgrade
2365 [20:09:18] <blackflow> velix: how? the root is readonly :)
2366 [20:09:51] <velix> blackflow: Nah...
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2368 [20:10:01] <velix> blackflow: systemd-nspawn allows you to
login ro or non-ro
2369 [20:10:11] <velix> blackflow: I'm using empheral for
example on my containers.
2370 [20:10:15] <blackflow> ah so it's no longer just apt but
also all the intermediate commands you need to manage the root.
anyway, whatever works for you. my point is that you don't need
nspawn if you don't intend to run third party software.
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2373 [20:11:33] <velix> blackflow: I really appriciate your ideas
and that you've posted lots of lines, but I don't know
what a MAC policy is (MAC addrss for my network?) and I've
never worked with an AppAmour profile.
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2376 [20:11:52] <blackflow> velix: Mandatory Access Control, ie.
SELinux or AppArmor
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2383 [20:18:43] <edman007> huh... svn.debian.org is gone? Or is it
just a DNS error?
2384 [20:19:02] <edman007> I can't access it
2385 [20:19:48] <joepublic> azi`, it depends on the package. you
could download a package, extract it into a directory under your
home dir, and give it a try
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2387 [20:23:09] <azi`> joepublic: it's a bit more complicated
I am affraid since I need to add some repositories first it seems
replaced-url
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2395 [20:25:30] <joepublic> azi`, rather than using a hammer and a
shoehorn and try to make repositories work with no access to them
(!?), perhaps you should "download" the software in
question and build from source.
2396 [20:25:52] <joepublic> edman007, I think svn was a feature of
alioth, which is indeed gone
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2398 [20:26:04] <azi`> joepublic: that's where it gets
complicated.. i tried and I couldn't get it compiled
2399 [20:26:25] <azi`> joepublic: i cannot do it on the base
system, but I was hoping on doing it on my own laptop and perhaps
make a static build
2400 [20:26:29] <azi`> but it's not working
2401 [20:26:42] <edman007> joepublic, ok, then
replaced-url
2402 [20:27:12] <joepublic> edman007, there are a *ton* of pages
with dead links that refer to alioth or its services.
2403 [20:28:22] <noln> edman007, salsa.d.o
2404 [20:28:26] <joepublic> azi`, if you want to run a file in a
deb, but you are not an administrator of a debian system, then you
unpack the deb and give it a try. if the program you are downloading
indeed required "adding repositories" then your quest is
in vain, as you are not an admin.
2405 [20:28:44] <noln> many source packages are there, dunno
whether glibc is there as well
2406 [20:29:25] <azi`> joepublic: :(
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2413 [20:33:07] <velix> Shouldn't this work?
update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
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2417 [20:34:49] <joepublic> or this? update-alternatives --display
x-terminal-emulator
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2420 [20:35:53] <rwp> Yes. What error are you getting from it?
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2429 [20:39:58] <velix> rwp: I missed to install
x-terminal-emulator ;)
2430 [20:40:21] <velix> rwp: But after installing and selecting
the right term, it doesn't get set by default after
logout/login
2431 [20:40:25] <velix> sigh...
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2433 [20:40:33] <velix> I'll att it to bashrc :)
2434 [20:40:39] <velix> s/att/add
2435 [20:41:36] <rwp> I don't understand. The debian
alternatives system with update-alternatives does not have anything
to do with your profile/bashrc environment. Should I read the
scrollback?
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2438 [20:42:15] <velix> rwp: when I add TERM=xterm to bashrc, it
gets set when loading bash.
2439 [20:42:28] <velix> Is debian alternatives only for new users?
2440 [20:42:34] <rwp> Some of the "sensible-editor" type
scripts do stash a selection in ~/.selected_editor however but that
is not alternative related.
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2442 [20:43:16] <rwp> Since the .bashrc is only loaded when the
shell is started making any edits there requires starting a new
shell to see the effect.
2443 [20:43:23] <rwp> But you do not need to log out to load a new
shell.
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2446 [20:43:52] <rwp> You can start a new xterm and it will start
a new shell which will load the ~/.bashrc file fresh and you can see
and test for the effects of your edits.
2447 [20:44:02] <velix> rwp: I know, but I thought I could use
debian defaults for this.
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2449 [20:44:10] <rwp> Or even if you are on a serial console one
can stack a shell by typing in "bash" and seeing the
effects.
2450 [20:44:30] <rwp> "Debian defaults?" Please explain.
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2453 [20:45:04] <velix> I thought, debian alternatives would set
defaults?
2454 [20:45:20] <velix> pardon update-alternatives
2455 [20:45:26] <rwp> The debian alternatives is a cool system for
managing multiple implmementations of the same feature.
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2457 [20:46:01] <velix> It works in bashrc, so I'm fine.
2458 [20:46:08] <rwp> There are many X Window terminal emulators.
There are many vi-like editors. There are X Window managers. And so
forth.
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2460 [20:46:41] <rwp> The alternatives symlinks are a way to
install packages and have the priority listed in the package to
automatically select which one is the default one when typing in the
base name of it.
2461 [20:47:04] <rwp> For example there are many
x-terminal-emulators available. It might be xterm or gnome-term or
other.
2462 [20:47:06] <velix> rwp: I've set mine to xterm, but
I'm always getting vt220. When setting it in bashrc, I'm
getting xterm. So I'm fine. All problems solved :D
2463 [20:47:19] <rwp> Then other parts of the system can simply
start x-terminal-emulator and get whatever one the user has
installed.
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2465 [20:47:38] <rwp> And then additionally one can manually
override the priorities. I do that a lot for vi for example.
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2467 [20:47:55] <rwp> I keep vim installed for the vim users but
am oldschool and like nvi and using the alternatives we can both be
happy.
2468 [20:48:52] <rwp> I am puzzled by why you would be seeing
vt220...
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2475 [20:53:33] <rwp> velix, If you want more detail about the
alternatives... Some time ago I wrote this mailing list posting:
replaced-url
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2477 [20:54:16] <velix> rwp: systemd stuff ...
2478 [20:54:24] <velix> rwp: thanks, let's read
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2480 [20:54:31] <velix> rwp: 16 years ago!
2481 [20:54:46] <rwp> The stuff about update-alternatives is still
valid.
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2487 [20:58:01] <velix> rwp: thx
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2511 [21:09:49] <kipkip> hello folks! I have a lenovo thinkpad
x120e, been running debian for a few years just fine. Recently
upgraded to stretch and linux 4.9.0.8, and started seeing an issue
that I'm not quite sure how to solve. When you put it to sleep,
it wakes up to the logon screen just fine. But when you log in, the
screen goes black. However ctrl-alt-f2 will print up the pty just
fine. So i'm thinking X is having trouble resuming from sleep?
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2513 [21:09:58] <kipkip> Anyone have thoughts on how to get to the
bottom of this? Since the machine still works and hasn't
crashed completely, i'm guessing it's not really a
"power/acpi/whatever" related issue?
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2516 [21:11:48] <altker128> kipkip: Anything in the dmesg logs?
2517 [21:12:16] <altker128> kipkip: Also when you get the black
screen, have yout tried to turn up the brightness of the LCD?
I'm seeing that on a Dell laptop
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2529 [21:20:57] <kipkip> altker128: let me check dmesg logs after
a failed wake. i don't think its a brightness issue, cause the
pty will come up without me changing the brightness, but ill double
chekc
2530 [21:21:31] <kipkip> altker128: also this only happens when
you put it to sleep while closing the lid. If you just let it fall
asleep, or do Log Out > Suspend, it wakes up just fine
2531 [21:21:44] <kipkip> In the power mgmt settings, the lid
action is indeed also "Suspend"
2532 [21:21:54] <kipkip> so im v confused as to why the behavior
is different
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2542 [21:29:03] <velix> Did I just find a bug?
replaced-url
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2544 [21:29:49] <velix> updated:
replaced-url
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2551 [21:32:59] <stuser> regarding Debian packaging: can someone
tell me what "std-ver" means on this page?
replaced-url
2552 [21:34:42] <Epakai> stuser: it refers to the debian policy
manual's version that the package claims to comply with
replaced-url
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2560 [21:37:09] <kipkip> altker128: nothing related in the dmesg
logs. it somewhat makes sense since the login screen comes up just
fine. its when you enter your creds and hit enter that the screen
goes black
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2562 [21:37:45] <kipkip> also, can anyone suggest how might I
start the window manager manually from a tty?
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2566 [21:38:27] <kipkip> seems ctrl-alt-f7 is the way
2567 [21:38:28] <altker128> kipkip: startx
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2571 [21:39:50] <kipkip> altker128: ah sweet startx actually gives
me output
2572 [21:39:55] <kipkip> it fails to run
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2574 [21:40:23] <altker128> kipkip: Is xorg already running?
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2576 [21:40:43] <kipkip> altker128: how should I check that?
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2579 [21:40:55] <altker128> kipkip: ps
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2581 [21:41:00] <altker128> kipkip: ps | grep Xorg
2582 [21:41:44] <kipkip> nope
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2584 [21:41:52] <kipkip> altker128: nope, doesn't seem to be
running
2585 [21:42:02] <altker128> kipkip: ps aux | grep startx as well
2586 [21:42:22] <kipkip> altker128: also nothing
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2589 [21:43:05] <kipkip> altker128: also, the log file has no
obvious errors
2590 [21:43:26] <kipkip> altker128: it seems like a bunch of
regular stuff but then ends with "Server terminated
successfully (0)"
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2593 [21:45:14] <kipkip> altker128: just tried another thing. Sudo
startx works fine
2594 [21:45:17] <stuser> Epakai: good to know. thanks. hope I can
pick your brain about another packaging question: The page for that
package (replaced-url
2595 [21:45:27] <kipkip> altker128: it just brings me into the
root's desktop which is not my usual one
2596 [21:45:48] <kipkip> altker128: running startx without sudo
doesn't work
2597 [21:46:07] <altker128> kipkip: Thats not right
2598 [21:46:14] <altker128> kipkip: Can you try to reboot and try
again?
2599 [21:46:21] <kipkip> yes
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2601 [21:46:36] <kipkip> altker128: i might have to go soon, in
which case will return and maybe ping you again
2602 [21:47:13] <altker128> kipkip: np
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2604 [21:47:36] <kipkip> also i think we might need ps aux | grep
Xorg
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2606 [21:48:23] <graton> I'm not getting any sound from my
headphone jack other than a quiet white-noise hissing. The speakers
work fine, though.
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2608 [21:49:21] <altker128> graton: If you're using
pulse-audio you may have to set the output jack
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2610 [21:49:54] <graton> The weird part is that it was working not
that long ago.
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2614 [21:51:04] <graton> altker128: I don't think I have
pulseaudio installed.
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2620 [21:52:35] <altker128> graton: I use MATE desktop and have to
go to the Sound under Control Panel and set the audio jack
explicidly
2621 [21:52:57] <graton> altker128: I use Stumpwm.
2622 [21:53:45] <Epakai> stuser:
replaced-url
2623 [21:53:46] <graton> Is that a frontend to a pulseaudio option
passable via shell?
2624 [21:54:13] <graton> I'm pretty sure I don't have
pulseaudio, only ALSA.
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2626 [21:55:18] <altker128> graton: You can try to modify your
alsa config
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2628 [21:56:03] <graton> altker128: What file do I modify for
that?
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2633 [21:56:52] <graton> altker128: Do I create a ~/.asoundrc and
/etc/asound.conf?
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2635 [21:57:18] <altker128> graton: Honestly, it's been
awhile since I've messed with ALSA. Do you already have any
ALSA related configs?
2636 [21:57:33] <altker128> graton: You can also check dmesg to
see if there's anything printed in the kernel logs about audio
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2638 [21:58:54] <graton> altker128: What exactly am I grepping
from dmesg for this?
2639 [21:59:08] <altker128> graton: Look for anything HDA / audio
/ jack / JACK
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2643 [22:01:16] <graton> altker128: The only things are a list of
modules being linked in and a bunch of stuff about wifi
(unsurprisingly, considering how often it breaks).
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2645 [22:01:41] <altker128> graton: What's your audio setup?
Built-in from motherboard?
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2647 [22:02:37] <graton> yep
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2649 [22:02:48] <Ormu> hello
2650 [22:03:17] <graton> I installed ALSA and it just werked
(until it suddenly didn't)
2651 [22:03:24] <altker128> graton: Im my kernel log I see things
like snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC0D0: Headphone Mic=0x18
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2653 [22:03:37] <altker128> so maybe look for snd or hda or codec
2654 [22:03:38] <Ormu> wine comes as "wine" and
"wine64" on Debian... is "wine" always 32-bit?
2655 [22:03:44] <ellyacht> can anyone tell me what is user SYSTEMD
CORE D.... at my login screen? I see root, my user name, and the
systemd
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2658 [22:04:29] <joepublic> "wine" also runs 16-bit
windows 3.x software.
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2661 [22:05:40] <graton> altker128: I see no such things.
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2664 [22:07:15] <Ormu> joepublic: ok, but if i set
WINEARCH=win64... should I use "wine64" or just
"wine"?
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2716 [22:27:48] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys, is there a repo for
installing pantheon DE on stretch?
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2718 [22:28:29] <InvisibleRasta> i found
replaced-url
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2732 [22:35:42] <spidget> heya, is there a way to run a script
whenever i switch to battery power on my laptop?
2733 [22:35:47] <Brigo> InvisibleRasta, installing packages from
outside debian is not adviced neither supported in this channel.
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2736 [22:36:59] <Brigo> spidget, there is a executable called
on_ac_power
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2739 [22:39:13] <InvisibleRasta> ls
2740 [22:39:20] <spidget> Brigo: ah, never heard of that before. I
guess I could put that in a cronjob... I'm trying to make the
powertop tunables permanent. Everywhere I look says to put them in
rc.local, but they get changed when i connect/disconnect the mains
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2745 [22:41:20] <Brigo> spidget, here there is an example trigered
by udev.
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2747 [22:41:22] <Brigo>
replaced-url
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2754 [22:43:00] <spidget> oh wow, perfect. thanks Brigo
2755 [22:43:15] <altker128> graton: Dunno what to tell you.
You'll have to spend time looking at your dmesg log line by
line then
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