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1 [00:00:26] <jmcnaught> melvin: yes use reportbug to report
the bug against the most relevant debian package. you should check
to see if it's already been reported first. This will help:
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3 [00:00:56] <melvin> jmcnaught: OK, thanks a lot :-)
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24 [00:11:22] <kline> I'm working to get chsh working on
debian 7 (wheezy) with ldap.
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30 [00:12:00] <kline> the config for chsh looks like this
currently:
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33 [00:13:01] <kline> does anyone have suggestions for what i
should be investigating first?
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141 [01:04:28] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello I am running minetest on a
Debian box, MATE desktop, and I'm looking for a package to
install or setting in minetest to flip the mouse scroll wheel
direction just for use with minetest. Its completely bass ackwards
compared to every other game I have ever played and is very time
consuming having to guess which direction I need to go with it every
time I change blocks.
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165 [01:14:07] <johnfg> I note that /var/dpkg/info is a pretty
big file. Any way to prune or clean this?
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175 [01:15:22] <johnfg> Also, /var/apt/lists
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179 [01:16:21] <jelly> johnfg: neither /var/dpkg/info nor
/var/apt/lists exist on a normal debian system
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182 [01:17:42] <jelly> did you make a typo?
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184 [01:18:21] * dax guesses they missed two lib/
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186 [01:18:50] <johnfg> jelly: Yup, should have been
/var/lib/apt/lists and /var/lib/dpkg/info
187 [01:18:58] <johnfg> dax right!
188 [01:19:14] <jelly> those are directories, not files, tho
189 [01:19:51] <dax> also, how big is "big"?
190 [01:20:39] <johnfg> jelly: dax: the problem I've had for
a couple of days (but adding up, I'm sure) is that my /var
partition is running out of space.
191 [01:21:40] <johnfg> Here's what I've got: /dev/sda3
9.5G 8.6G 430M 96% /var
192 [01:21:55] <johnfg> And I am running jessie.
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195 [01:23:10] <jelly> johnfg: /var/lib/dpkg/info is part of
package manager state, do not touch it. /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* can
be removed but the next run of "aptitude update" or
"apt-get update" will repopulate it.
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198 [01:23:56] <jelly> johnfg: doing an "apt-get clean"
however will clean up downloaded .deb packages from
/var/cache/apt/archives and it's safe to do
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200 [01:25:00] <johnfg> jelly: I've run apt-get clean.
Didn't help much. Also I ran apt-get autoremove. Also not much
help.
201 [01:25:58] <jelly> johnfg: something like «du -Sx /var
| sort -n | tail -n 40» will show you directories whose
contents use most kilobytes
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203 [01:27:07] <johnfg> jelly: I'll run that, thanks. I
appreciate the help.
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215 [01:33:56] <johnfg> jelly: Any idea how to clean out the
garbage files in /var/spool/exim4? Most of what I searched has to do
with web hosting, not a debian server.
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220 [01:36:04] <jmcnaught> johnfg: i guess this server's not
an MX, but have you properly configured exim4? Is it filling up with
mesages sent to root about errors, warnings, or just results of cron
tasks or something?
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222 [01:36:41] <johnfg> jmcnaught: the former, msgs sent to
root...
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224 [01:36:58] <jmcnaught> johnfg: to stop it from filling up you
might want to configure aliases so that messages sent to root get
delivered to a mailbox that actually gets checked, and then deal
with what's causing these messages to be sent
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227 [01:38:35] <johnfg> jmcnaught: jelly: well, that was the main
culprit. I ran: exim -bp | exiqgrep -i | xargs exim -Mrm, and freed
up a *bunch* of space.
228 [01:39:27] <johnfg> jmcnaught: Is that file
/etc/exim4/exim4.conf?
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230 [01:40:35] <jmcnaught> johnfg: exim4 can be configured with
dpkg-reconfigure, and is extensively documented in
/usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian. The aliases are in
/etc/aliases.
231 [01:41:15] <johnfg> jmcnaught: Thanks, I'll read, then
reconfig.
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234 [01:42:30] <jmcnaught> johnfg: if all you need is for this
server to be able to send messages,
replaced-url
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250 [01:47:57] <heeen> I am trying to get some updates into this
squeeze (squeeze-lts?) system but all I get is 404
251 [01:48:11] <heeen> and it complains about packages cannot be
authenticated
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253 [01:48:27] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell heeen about squeeze
sources.list
254 [01:49:07] <jmcnaught> heeen: see the message from dpkg bot.
squeeze is now completely end of life, even the LTS, so it's
been moved to the archive. never a better time to upgrade to wheezy
:)
255 [01:49:26] <heeen> yeah... I'll have to eventually
256 [01:49:29] <heeen> but for now
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258 [01:49:35] <johnfg> jmcnaught: I've got in /etc/aliases,
root: <my user name>.
259 [01:50:00] <johnfg> The rest of the names in the aliases are
set to root. Wouldn't you expect them all to come to me?
260 [01:50:11] <jmcnaught> heeen: at this point you are no longer
getting security updates and your system will get more and more
vulnerable over time. note that wheezy support is about to end too
(and only wheezy-lts will be available)
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262 [01:50:52] <jmcnaught> johnfg: makes sense to me, however i
use postfix on all my systems so exim4 is a little unfamiliar
263 [01:51:37] <johnfg> Ah, ok. What do you think about these
errors:
replaced-url
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267 [01:54:34] <jmcnaught> johnfg: did you customize logrotate in
some way? i have /var/log/cups/access_log.1 on my system, it's
not until the access_log.2.gz that it's compressed. Did you
check the files in that log directory?
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269 [01:55:03] <jmcnaught> johnfg: also is cups necessary on your
server?
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271 [01:55:37] <jmcnaught> bipul: please reconfigure your IRC
client to stop changing nick to away-bipul when you go away, not
everybody needs to know when your status changes :)
272 [01:55:39] <melvin> Does anyone have a script to convert the
epoch timestamps in .bash_history to the same format as the builtin
history command? I would do it myself but it looks like it would
take me months to learn awk and its not worth it for such a small
thing...
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274 [01:56:06] <johnfg> No, I didn't customize logrotate. I
do use cups to manage printers on this server.
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276 [01:56:19] <zinx> melvin: date -d "@$TIMESTAMP" ?
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278 [01:56:35] <bipul> jmcnaught, Yes, I did that
279 [01:56:51] <jmcnaught> bipul: thanks :)
280 [01:56:51] <zinx> melvin: i haven't used bash for some
time due to problems with nocaseglob, so i don't know what
format it outputs, sadly
281 [01:56:55] <bipul> I am sorry, I don't know about it.
282 [01:57:00] <Lionyx> Hello! So, i'm on tty1 with my
notebook connected do the VGA output, Is there any how to set tty on
VGA and tty2 on LVDS1 ?
283 [01:58:07] <arahael> Lionyx: from memory, /etc/inittab?
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286 [01:58:31] <jmcnaught> johnfg: this is what my /var/log/cups
and /etc/logrotate.d/cups-daemon look like if you want to compare:
replaced-url
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288 [01:59:04] <arahael> Lionyx: this is totally old-school. most
people just setup X on both in a dual-monitor setup.
289 [01:59:26] <melvin> zinx: I need a script to process the
entire file and convert all of the timestamps at one time...the
builtin history command allows you to set a variable telling it what
format you want as an output but a side effect is that the
.bash_history file gets timestamped with seconds since epoch for
each command :-)
290 [01:59:33] <Lionyx> arahael: I now i'm going backwards
here. But on intention to get "old school" ;)
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293 [02:00:36] <arahael> Lionyx: inittab, then. and possibly, if
you want to go back to whenn men were men, andd compiled their own
device drivers... consider
replaced-url
294 [02:01:26] <melvin> I'm looking for someone who has
already written a script to do that conversion...
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296 [02:02:23] <Lionyx> arahael: also, i can't seem to find
/etc/inittab on Jessie
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299 [02:03:08] <Lionyx> arahael: tks
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302 [02:04:21] <arahael> Lionyx: in any case, it's set
*very* early in the boot sequence.
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309 [02:05:50] <jmcnaught> Lionyx: are you using systemd or
sysvinit? if you're using systemd maybe check out "man
systemd-getty-generator" and the links in that man page
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311 [02:06:51] <arahael> Lionyx: it would be worth learning
systemd properly - lots of good gems there, particularky for
virtualisation and containers.
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313 [02:07:19] <Lionyx> jmcnaught: I guess jessie uses both, or
at least sysV seems to be all linked to systemd. tks for the tip
314 [02:07:35] <arahael> Lionyx: sysv emulation :)
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319 [02:09:00] <jmcnaught> Lionyx: jessie is systemd by default,
so unless you've taken steps to go back to sysvinit it's
systemd. Debian put a lot of work into making the distro work with
both of them
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323 [02:10:27] <catsup> 20:00 <arahael> Lionyx: inittab,
then. and possibly, if you want to go back to whenn men were men,
andd compiled their own device drivers...
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325 [02:10:38] <catsup> i was there the first time
326 [02:10:44] <catsup> and no i do not
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328 [02:11:29] <arahael> catsup: for the rest of us. there's
debian. and xorg :)
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366 [02:34:36] <DJRWolf> I want to setup a debian box with VNC so
I can run it "headless", I have a book for Raspberry
Pi's that suggests using tightvnc for remote desktop, would
that work for me for say using dynamic dns to get to it from the
internet anywhere I am? I also generally prefer GUI setup but if I
have a good guide will do terminal
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368 [02:35:42] <cynicallemon> DJRWolf, why vnc and not just ssh
into it?
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370 [02:37:48] <DJRWolf> still a heavy GUI user, prefer having
the terminal as a tool to use and not as the only thing like SSH,
but I do plan on having an SSH backup to remote command reboots if
needed
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391 [02:46:17] <anonymous_> musca
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393 [02:47:26] <anonymous_> waldo
394 [02:47:37] <Waldo> Dont say it
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396 [02:47:51] <anonymous_> hi waldo
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398 [02:47:57] <Waldo> Hi
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401 [02:48:17] <anonymous_> do you speak spanish?
402 [02:48:53] <aedinius> Does exim need to be running?
403 [02:49:04] <aedinius> Not sure what will break if I disable
it.
404 [02:49:25] <anonymous_> waldo answer
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406 [02:50:08] <Waldo> No
407 [02:50:10] <jmcnaught> aedinius: better to replace it with
another mail-transport-agent than to stop it. "aptitude search
~pmail-transport-agent" to see the alternatives, some of the
simpler ones like msmtp-mta and nullmailer are not daemons
408 [02:50:21] <anonymous_> well
409 [02:51:49] <aedinius> It's only listening on localhost,
and it's not causing any problems, so I'll probably leave
it alone.
410 [02:51:55] <jmcnaught> !es-social anonymous_
411 [02:51:56] <dpkg> anonymous_: Este canal es de ayuda con
ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por
favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join
#debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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417 [02:54:25] <DJRWolf> anyone? looking for a recommendation for
a good VNC system
418 [02:54:50] * millican hasn't used VNC in about 10 years.
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420 [02:55:39] <cynicallemon> DJRWolf, you're being told
discreetly to learn the command line and ssh
421 [02:56:19] <aedinius> ssh, X11 forwarding if you need to run
a GUI app
422 [02:56:21] <millican> I just don't want someone to think
they're being ignored.
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425 [02:57:22] <DJRWolf> aedinius does that work if the local
machine is Windows?
426 [02:57:23] <jmcnaught> DJRWolf: some desktop environments
like Gnome and KDE have VNC servers integrated so you can turn them
on in the settings. For accessing from outside your house
you'll probably need to configure dynamic DNS in your router
(which would be off-topic) or a tool in Debian like ddclient
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428 [02:57:57] <DJRWolf> jmcnaught already looking into ddclient
for that
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431 [02:58:43] <cynicallemon> assuming you dont have a static ip
432 [02:58:48] <johnfg> Completely different topic: Any way to
deal with the almost constant mesgs that come up in iceweasel about
adobe flash?
433 [02:58:51] <jmcnaught> DJRWolf: you will also need to enable
port forwarding in your router
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436 [02:59:17] <cynicallemon> johnfg, dont use flash...
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438 [02:59:23] <johnfg> mail: Cannot create lockfile
/var/mail/johnfg.lock: Error creating temporary lockfile
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440 [02:59:37] <johnfg> I wonder what's causing that error?
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443 [02:59:49] <cynicallemon> johnfg, no permission to write
444 [03:00:06] <aedinius> DJRWolf: It can if you install an X11
server, but I don't recommend. you should be able to do
everything from the command line
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500 [03:37:30] <johnfg> cynicallemon: how would i fix that?
501 [03:38:08] <johnfg> i.e., what should the permissions be
(I'm guessing) on /var/mail?
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507 [03:40:11] <jmcnaught> johnfg: seems like you had a
semi-functioning MTA earlier today, what did you change? or is this
a different system?
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509 [03:40:38] <cynicallemon> johnfg, well default permission
would be root so obviously it would need that but that would be a
bad idea
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511 [03:41:20] <johnfg> jmcnaught: This problem has been around
for a while. You helped me to solve the earlier one.
512 [03:41:34] <johnfg> I didn't change anything.
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514 [03:42:47] <cynicallemon> johnfg, is the account
"johnfg"?
515 [03:43:34] <johnfg> cynicallemon: yes
516 [03:44:11] <cynicallemon> perhaps make your account a member
of the mail group
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518 [03:44:36] <cynicallemon> usermod -aG mail johnfg
519 [03:45:34] <jmcnaught> adding the user to the mail group
isn't the solution. what are the permissions and owner/group on
/var/mail?
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521 [03:46:00] <cynicallemon> should be <user>/mail
522 [03:46:01] <johnfg> Ok, before I add to group, I'll ls
the permissions for ya.
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525 [03:46:37] <jmcnaught> johnfg: members of the mail group can
read all of the mailboxes, only daemons that need to deliver mail
should have that group membership, not regular users
526 [03:46:52] <johnfg> drwxrwsr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jan 3 07:41
mail
527 [03:46:59] <johnfg> jmcnaught: got it.
528 [03:47:59] <cynicallemon> jmcnaught, weird as both me and
replaced-url
529 [03:48:00] <jmcnaught> johnfg: the group should be mail, and
the files inside should be username:mail for each user's mbox
file
530 [03:48:06] <cynicallemon> and i have done nothing to it
531 [03:48:55] <cynicallemon> ah read what u said wrong...
532 [03:49:00] <jmcnaught> johnfg: maybe at some point when this
problem started you ran a command like "chown -R root:root
/var"?
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535 [03:49:43] <johnfg> jmcnaught: So, chown root:mail /var/mail?
536 [03:50:22] <johnfg> jmcnaught: I may have done that, due to
some problems with an external drive failing when upgrading to
jessie.
537 [03:50:37] <jmcnaught> johnfg: yes
538 [03:51:00] <johnfg> jmcnaught: So do keep the owner root, but
change the group to mail, just to be sure.
539 [03:51:26] <jmcnaught> johnfg: drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096
Apr 2 15:50 /var/mail <--- default on a system of mine with exim4
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541 [03:51:41] <johnfg> jmcnaught: Ok, will do and test it.
542 [03:52:34] <johnfg> jmcnaught: Alright! That did the trick!
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544 [03:52:55] <jmcnaught> johnfg: probably the error you're
getting about the lock file was from some part of exim4 trying to
deliver to the local johnfg user's mbox, but couldn't
because the directory had the wrong group on it
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546 [03:54:09] <jmcnaught> johnfg: if you end up with similar
problems related to permissions in /var, what i would do is set up a
VM and install the same packages to it so you can compare who the
proper owner:group should be
547 [03:54:24] <johnfg> jmcnaught: btw...from earlier (forgot to
tell you), my cat /etc/logrotate.d/cups-daemon is the same as yours.
548 [03:55:12] <jmcnaught> johnfg: yeah i bet it's the same
kind of problem as this /var/mail one, some file has the wrong
owner:group or permissions
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551 [03:59:43] <cwong_on_irc> when i startx. is there a device
file i can check so i can setup my bash aliases ONLY if X is
running?
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555 [04:01:02] <arahael> cwong_on_irc: .xinitrc, perhaps?
556 [04:01:27] <cwong_on_irc> arahael: no. that file can exist
without X running
557 [04:01:44] <arahael> cwong_on_irc: I mean, set up your
aliases *in* that file.
558 [04:02:09] <cwong_on_irc> oh. hmmm
559 [04:02:31] <arahael> cwong_on_irc: Obviously it can exist
without X running. It's a regular file, afterall. The
significance is how the file is *used*.
560 [04:02:45] <cwong_on_irc> i have if [ -a /dev/dvd -o
/dev/cdrw -o /proc/asound/ALSA ]; then … for multimedia...
561 [04:03:31] <arahael> cwong_on_irc: It's a regular shell
script, really. The last line of which, traditionally, starts your
window manager.
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563 [04:03:40] <arahael> cwong_on_irc: Using 'exec'.
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572 [04:09:42] <johnfg> jmcnaught: Ya, I can do that if it gets
bad enough. This is my main server, but I need to host it on a new
machine.
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579 [04:14:08] <jmcnaught> johnfg: i test/experiment with
everything in a VM or container on my laptop before doing it on a
production server
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678 [05:29:33] <zjhxmjl> hi,guys!who can give me a hand!thanks
replaced-url
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680 [05:30:17] <somiaj> zjhxmjl: are you running ubuntu?
681 [05:30:23] <zjhxmjl> yes
682 [05:30:30] <somiaj> zjhxmjl: then you should ask in #ubuntu
683 [05:30:39] <somiaj> zjhxmjl: this is a support channel for
debian.
684 [05:30:46] <zjhxmjl> somiaj:yeah,i had asked
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686 [05:31:03] <zjhxmjl> but no help,so...
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689 [05:31:12] <markybob_> zjhxmjl: he's telling you
it's not supported here.
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691 [05:31:39] <somiaj> zjhxmjl: then wait around and be paitent,
advise we could give you for debian could not work or even damage
your ubuntu install.
692 [05:31:45] <somiaj> zjhxmjl: (in #ubuntu)
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694 [05:32:07] <somiaj> i.e. I belive ubuntu deals with the
nvidia drivers differently than debian.
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697 [05:32:53] <zjhxmjl> somiaj:yes,maybe different,but i just
ask one question:why the system cannot know the video card?because
old kernel ?or other reason?
698 [05:32:59] <zjhxmjl> thaks
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715 [05:47:21] <MisterT> -/msg dpkg guidelines
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723 [05:51:55] <MisterT> Hi guys, I got troubles about a debian
installation on my ssd. I find that there is problem about
installing the bootloader on the SSD. Is there a solution to install
it on the ssd or shoul I install debian on ssd and the bootloader on
the hdd ?
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725 [05:52:56] <jmcnaught> MisterT: you should be able to install
GRUB on an SSD. What's happening when you try?
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727 [05:54:32] <MisterT> jmcnaught: The system is intalled
correctly I think. but When I try to boot: /dev/sdb1: clean xxx/xxx
files, xxx/xxx blocks
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731 [05:55:24] <jmcnaught> MisterT: and then what? do you get a
text login prompt?
732 [05:55:33] <MisterT> no, nothing
733 [05:55:47] <MisterT> jmcnaught: stay blocked at this point
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735 [05:56:04] <jmcnaught> how long have you waited?
736 [05:56:17] <MisterT> jmcnaught: like 10 minutes
737 [05:57:49] <jmcnaught> MisterT: and this is the first boot
after running the installer? There are a few things you could try at
the GRUB boot menu:
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739 [05:58:44] <jmcnaught> MisterT: starting with solution 0 in
that section of the page, removing quiet from the kernel command
line. You do this by hitting 'e' on the selected boot menu
item
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742 [05:59:47] <jmcnaught> MisterT: also which Debian release did
you install? Which ISO did you use?
743 [06:00:12] <MisterT> I downloaded the last debian netinstall
on official website
744 [06:00:34] <jmcnaught> MisterT: latest as in 8.4.0, or did
you use a testing installer?
745 [06:01:04] <MisterT> jmcnaught: 8.4.0
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747 [06:02:12] <jmcnaught> MisterT: well first I'd remove
"quiet" from the kernel command line to hopefully get some
more clues about what's happening
748 [06:02:50] <MisterT> jmcnaught: It's done, I remove the
quiet modre. Then following the others steps ?
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751 [06:03:31] <jmcnaught> were there any more clues displayed on
the screen during boot? that was the point of removing
"quiet"
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754 [06:04:27] <jmcnaught> did you install a desktop environment
and therefore are expecting a graphical login?
755 [06:05:08] <MisterT> jmcnaught:no, no graphicall
environnement. but normally you have a command prompt to login ...
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757 [06:05:59] <jmcnaught> removing quiet didn't display
more messages, or are you still looking for clues?
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761 [06:07:24] <MisterT> jmcnaught: It open something like a box
with many informations in it but nothing that I can understand like
wrror message.
762 [06:09:17] <jmcnaught> MisterT: it opens a box when you press
'e' in the boot menu? that's where you need to look
for the line that starts with "linux" near the bottom, and
remove the word quiet from the end of that line. arrow keys and
backspace will work
763 [06:10:02] <jmcnaught> once you've done that you press
"Ctrl+X" to boot
764 [06:10:19] <MisterT> jmcnaught: Ok now I understand :-)
765 [06:10:51] <MisterT> jmcnaught: then f10 to boot okay
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768 [06:11:38] <jmcnaught> MisterT: there might be a lot of
messages going by very quickly. hopefully if it stalls on something
the message will stay on the screen
769 [06:13:04] <MisterT> jmcnaught: stopped on Video device
[VID1] (multi-head: yes rom: yes post: no) Something wrong with
graphical cards ?
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771 [06:14:06] <jmcnaught> MisterT: perhaps. i'm not
familiar with that error, did you try searching the web for it?
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773 [06:14:24] <MisterT> jmcnaught: I am looking for it
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775 [06:14:54] <somiaj> what graphics card?
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779 [06:15:54] <MisterT> somiaj: The computer is s Lenovo W520
with optimus technology, Like one "standard" graphic card,
and another one.
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782 [06:17:30] <somiaj> MisterT: the other is intel. Are you
wanting to use a graphical enviorment? (I noticed you said you
don't have one installed?)
783 [06:18:11] <somiaj> MisterT: sometimes disabling modsetting
can help if the issue is with the graphics card, though with optimus
I'm unsure. But in that place you removed 'quite' you
can add another option nomodset=1
784 [06:18:27] <MisterT> somiaj: I gonna use I3
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786 [06:19:05] <somiaj> MisterT: disabling modsetting may have
issues with getting your graphics card to work with xorg (though
optimus is out of my expreince and support for it in debian is
fairly minimial)
787 [06:19:44] <somiaj> MisterT: that is if it is the graphics
card causing the issue, you could always try to boot with
'nomodset=1', though the issue you describe I'm
unsure if that graphics card is causing teh problem or not
788 [06:19:52] <MisterT> somiaj: First I amg onna check in bios
that the both cards are activated
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790 [06:19:58] <jmcnaught> somiaj: at this point i believe
MisterT is unable to get a console login prompt in a fresh install
without a desktop environment
791 [06:20:31] <ryouma> i found that with my card, it was
impossible to get jessie xorg to work with either modeset or
nomodeset. i had to install the proprietary firmware. wheezy worked
ok.
792 [06:20:41] <somiaj> jmcnaught: that is what I thought, and
nomodset=1 can sometimes help that with problematic graphics cards
(They will cause the boot to fail (usually fairly early) if the card
doens't like the modsetting drivers
793 [06:20:51] <ryouma> (just fyi, in case it gives you backround
that is useful, which it might not)
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796 [06:22:22] <MisterT> No more errors
797 [06:22:41] <somiaj> MisterT: was this trying to boot with
'nomodset=1'?
798 [06:23:25] <MisterT> So in bios the nvidia cards was forced,
so I reactivate optimus with os detection and I supposed it tooks
the intel card as default now and it works correctly :-)
799 [06:24:25] <MisterT> In everycase ty for your help and I
learnd how to desactivate quiet mode :-) Ty
800 [06:24:26] <jmcnaught> MisterT: nice :) if you want to use
the optimus feature the instructions at
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801 [06:25:17] <MisterT> Yeah I know about bumblebee, That's
Why I don't use debian as default system on all my computers
cause last time I tried it it was not really stable ^_^
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805 [06:26:28] <jmcnaught> MisterT: probably more nvidia's
fault than anything. anyways enjoy.
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807 [06:27:45] <somiaj> MisterT: nvidia support for the optimus
hardware lags behind ubuntu, it can work with a bit of configuration
and using bumblebee.
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809 [06:28:15] <somiaj> now if you don't mind just 2D with
the intel card you should be fine. and bumblebee can launch things
using the nvidia card, but I am unsure on the details
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816 [06:30:21] <MisterT> yeah as a gamer you know 3D is the only
things why I don't use a linux on all my computers. I hope one
day that would be possible ^^
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823 [06:31:32] <somiaj> MisterT: I've used linux as my
gaming desktop since about 2006, it works just fine (though you need
to be a bit slective about which games)
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826 [06:32:01] <somiaj> MisterT: though this optimus hardware is
a rarity, for the most part I've had good results with the
non-free nvidia blob
827 [06:32:03] <MisterT> somiaj imIn everycase I accidently
install the graphicall environnement of 8.4.0 and it's very
nice and fast great job done ^^
828 [06:32:14] <aerth> apt-get install uqm singularity
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830 [06:32:22] <aerth> good games
831 [06:32:49] <jmcnaught>
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832 [06:33:55] <somiaj> MisterT: luckly debian makes it easy to
install/remove software. Can always install a different graphical
enviorment.
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837 [06:35:21] <MisterT> somiaj: Yeah I love debian, so stable
and that's what I need ^_^
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853 [06:45:43] <AlecTaylor> hi
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855 [06:46:30] <AlecTaylor> How do I do `debconf-set-selections`
from a file rather than `echo o o/b boolean $bar | sudo
debconf-set-selections`?
856 [06:46:54] * AlecTaylor could xarg it together, but is sure
there's a better way
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859 [06:47:57] <themill> AlecTaylor: you can use shell
redirection
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861 [06:49:04] <AlecTaylor> Hmmmmmmmm - debconf-set-selections
862 [06:49:09] <AlecTaylor> Usage: debconf-set-selections [-vcu]
[file]
863 [06:49:29] <themill> or that
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886 [07:09:53] <msn> i am trying to upgrade mariadb-server-10.0
and i keep getting this error "trying to overwrite
'/usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.sys', which is also in
package mysql-common 5.6.30-1debian8" ofcourse you cna't
skip mysql-common since mariadb-server-10.0 depends on it
887 [07:10:30] <jml2> .sys? that's scary looking filetype..
eeks
888 [07:10:45] <jml2> msn, did you try apt-get -f install ?
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890 [07:11:04] <jml2> msn, (try with -t jessie-backports)
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892 [07:12:05] <themill> msn: that looks like a non-debian
mysql-common package
893 [07:12:24] <markybob_> that's wrong. it depends on
mariadb-common not mysql-common
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896 [07:12:53] <msn> and mariadb-common depends on mysql-common
897 [07:13:10] <msn>
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900 [07:13:40] <msn> jml2: already tried that other other doing a
dpkg -i --force-all the installation does not proceed
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902 [07:14:17] <msn> nvm think i found problem
903 [07:14:38] <jelly> ,v mysql-common
904 [07:14:39] <judd> Package: mysql-common on amd64 --
squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts:
5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; jessie-security:
5.5.47-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.30-1; stretch: 5.6.30-1
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910 [07:17:34] <msn> yup that was the problem "mysql"
repo entry
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1037 [08:31:45] <Vasistha> How can I add a directory to the list
of dirs scanned by grub-mkconfig or update-grub or ... whatever it
is I'm supposed to run to get grub to add another boot
possibility
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1043 [08:33:20] <iio7> I am running Debian testing. I have just
downloaded Alien Isolation for Linux and wanted to play that. I get
the following error, "error while loading shared libraries:
libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory"
1044 [08:33:48] <iio7> libssl1.0.2 is installed. How does one fix
that?
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1047 [08:35:02] <jmcnaught> iio7: that library exists on stable,
so you could use stable instead.
1048 [08:35:52] <iio7> jmcnaught, is that the only way? I have
other stuff that depends on newer libs.
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1056 [08:38:22] <jmcnaught> iio7: you could ask the people you got
alien isolation how to make it work with your newer libraries. the
other stuff, is it stuff you could run in a chroot or container?
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1058 [08:38:54] <jmcnaught> iio7: you could also try running
stable in schroot to run the game
1059 [08:39:23] <Vasistha> iio7: I don't have any idea if
this could work or if it could even be harmful; but: you could try
simply symlinking files called libssl.so.1.0.0 to the existing 1.0.2
files.
1060 [08:39:25] <jelly> iio7: add jessie sources and install just
libssl1.0.0
1061 [08:39:36] <jelly> do NOT do what Vasistha said.
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1063 [08:39:55] <jelly> there are good reasons why library sonames
exist.
1064 [08:39:59] <Vasistha> thanks jelly!
1065 [08:40:13] <cmtptr> what? those numbers actually mean
something??
1066 [08:40:19] <jelly> ikr
1067 [08:40:26] <ryouma> i have a powerbook g4 (powerpc). i
don't have any osx disks. it's runnign tiger now. i have a
cd with a verified debian-8.0.0-powerpc-netinst.iso. if i run the
installer, what's the probability it will work ok? also, can
the installer be used kind of like a live disk to ensure that video,
sound, etc. work ok?
1068 [08:40:53] <cmtptr> to be fair, by convention the abi
shouldn't change for a patch version difference
1069 [08:41:09] <jelly> (there are lesser reasons why
debian'd drop libssl1.0.0 so soon and not at least put it in
oldlibs)
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1076 [08:42:05] <brigo> ryouma, has you checked this out?
replaced-url
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1084 [08:46:21] <Vasistha> I want to slowly transition to jessie,
so I bought another hard drive. I installed jessie on it, and I went
ahead and installed
1085 [08:46:29] <Vasistha> arr darn it. let me try that again
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1088 [08:46:57] <ryouma> brigo: thanks. they seem pretty
optimistic i guess. i don't mind blowing away the tiger
installation if there is a reasonable chance debian will work.
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1092 [08:48:40] <Vasistha> I'm running ... 7.10 I guess.
Bought a new hard drive so I can slowly transition to 8.0 jessie.
Installed jessie on that drive. When prompted, I opted to let
debian-installer put grub on MBR of the wheezy drive. Well that was
a mistake, it wouldn't boot from there. So I wheezy booted
without too much trouble, and now I want to fix grub on my main/old
system.
1093 [08:49:31] <Vasistha> When I run update-grub, it's not
detecting the jessie system which has its boot partition mounted at
/mnt/jessie-boot ... how can I make grub detect that?
1094 [08:49:39] <jelly> Vasistha: install os-prober
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1096 [08:50:07] <jelly> and possibly umount /mnt/jessie-boot
before running update-grub
1097 [08:50:22] <Vasistha> jelly: it's already installed
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1100 [08:51:15] <Vasistha> jelly: I've tried with it mounted
and not mounted, but not detecting in either case. It only finds
stuff in /boot
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1157 [09:17:11] <ptizoom__> help! looking for enabling some linux
internal modules (pata/sata via with a JM20330) with dkms within
debian...anyone to where to start?
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1172 [09:25:38] <jml2> ptizoom__, modprobe one of the jmicron
modules
1173 [09:26:46] <jml2> ptizoom__, try modprobe pata_jmicron, ...
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1175 [09:27:04] <jml2> ptizoom__, if its usb, reconnect it, and
then see if the system picks it up (dmesg |tail)
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1179 [09:27:54] <Vasistha> So I ran update-grub, but I'm
still getting an error message when I try to boot from this hard
drive. Maybe I should take a photo of the error? Or maybe I'm
just missing a step? Is there something I'm supposed to do
after running update-grub ?
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1183 [09:28:20] <venkat_330> Recently installed debian 8 onmy
N2600 board. After installation the system had a kernel panic during
boot. To address this we added nolapic in kernel parameter. Buut ,
we notice that system COM port (3 , 4) does not work when this
parameter is added. Request some guidance.
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1192 [09:31:20] <jml2> venkat_330, is the serial port a usb/serial
port?
1193 [09:31:51] <jml2> v
1194 [09:31:55] <venkat_330> nope..the board has 4 serial ports in
total in which 1 & 2 works
1195 [09:32:06] <venkat_330> jml2: ..
1196 [09:32:18] <jml2> venkat_330, there's options for serial
modules for changing the address
1197 [09:32:25] <jml2> venkat_330, that might help
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1199 [09:32:38] <jml2> venkat_330, you can also see if
there's any shared irq with -> cat /proc/interrupts
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1202 [09:33:20] <arahael> Was about to mention that. Shared
IRQ's are *extremely* common there, for some reason.
1203 [09:33:29] <arahael> COM1 and COM3 typically share them, for
instance. As does COM2 and COM4.
1204 [09:33:34] <jml2> sometimes some boards give problems
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1206 [09:34:01] <arahael> Indeed - there is a fairly insanely
large number of variations. SPeeds, buffers, flow control, and all
that.
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1211 [09:35:41] <jml2> venkat_330, dmesg |grep -i fail, if you see
fail for the serial modules, you may want to install this->
"firmware-linux-free" as it contains firmware for some
serial chipsets
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1217 [09:39:16] <jml2> gtg gn
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1235 [09:46:04] <venkat_330> jml2: kern log posted :
replaced-url
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1237 [09:47:25] <venkat_330> jml2: root@vortex:~# dmesg | grep -i
fail
1238 [09:47:25] <venkat_330> [ 0.780182] e1000e 0000:00:19.0
(unregistered net_device): Failed to initialize MSI interrupts.
Falling back to legacy interrupts.
1239 [09:47:25] <venkat_330> [ 8.145721]
[drm:intel_dp_complete_link_train] *ERROR* failed to update link
training
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1277 [10:04:13] <ptizoom__> jml2, thx, its actually a
dynamode-bi-d-ide-sata-si (JM20330) pluged host-pci,sata-target,
picked by bios, but not by linux(dmesg) at start, so looking into
debian-linux kernel modules equivalents. need to stuff it in
/etc/modules?
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1306 [10:24:35] <barubaru> Can i run debian under other kernel in
a separate direcrory, possibly from chroot?
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1312 [10:27:20] <jelly> barubaru: yes, with some caveats (needs a
couple kernel config settings)
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1316 [10:28:51] <barubaru> Jelly so i will have to rebuild my
current kernel? is there a way to wawoid it possibly with other
limitations?
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1319 [10:29:28] <jelly> barubaru:
replaced-url
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1321 [10:30:42] <jelly> barubaru: you may or may not need to
rebuild, based on whether you already have those enabled
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1323 [10:30:58] <aerth> thank you thats the link i needed right
now
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1325 [10:31:02] <jelly> other than what the documentation says...
1326 [10:31:05] <jelly> !TIAS
1327 [10:31:06] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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1335 [10:33:00] <aerth> so bascally just CONFIG_DEVTMPFS ?
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1355 [10:43:40] <venkat_330> barubaru: jml2: jelly: Can someone
tell me way forward for addressing this issue
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1366 [10:46:51] <jelly> venkat_330: sorry, I'm not tracking
your issue
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1368 [10:47:30] <venkat_330> jelly: Recently installed debian 8
onmy N2600 board. After installation the system had a kernel panic
during boot. To address this we added nolapic in kernel parameter.
Buut , we notice that system COM port (3 , 4) does not work when
this parameter is added. Request some guidance.
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1375 [10:49:34] <jelly> venkat_330: those atom boards can be very
linux unfriendly. You can always try a different kernel, see if it
make any difference
1376 [10:49:42] <venkat_330> As per Jml2: comments checked dmesg
and did not find any issues .The only failure was [ 0.780182] e1000e
0000:00:19.0 (unregistered net_device): Failed to initialize MSI
interrupts. Falling back to legacy interrupts. [ 8.145721]
[drm:intel_dp_complete_link_train] *ERROR* failed to update link
training.. kern log posted :
replaced-url
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1380 [10:50:40] <jelly> dpkg, tell venkat_330 about bdo kernel
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1382 [10:51:12] <venkat_330> jelly: We do not have options for
that. we are always advised to use stable version of debian.
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1385 [10:53:21] <jelly> dpkg, tell venkat_330 about
jessie-backports
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1387 [10:53:55] <jelly> venkat_330: using backports does not
change the version of debian
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1394 [10:55:36] <hiexpo> !BACKPORTS
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1396 [10:55:36] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
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1443 [11:16:02] <jeremie> Hi eveybody o/
1444 [11:16:11] <jeremie> *everybody
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1450 [11:18:58] <mimi89999_phone2> Hello jeremie
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1498 [11:47:44] <XeonSquared> So 'apt-cache search
anything' gives me 'E: The package lists or status files
could not be parsed or opened.'
1499 [11:47:53] <XeonSquared> Do I want to delete them and try
again or?
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1504 [11:49:18] <XeonSquared> apt-get update fixed it, never mind
me
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1524 [11:59:25] <seeother> hi. I have debian box acting as
router/firewall. in some cases I want to drop specific established
connection. is conntrack -D somehow correct way to achieve this?
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1553 [12:11:55] <defanor> why is
replaced-url
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1592 [12:25:25] <hypfer> so hi.
1593 [12:25:40] <hypfer> I'm on wheezy with Kernel 3.2 and I
need the js42 module
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1595 [12:25:52] <hypfer> how do I just build and install that
module for the currently running kernel?
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1602 [12:28:06] <jelly> hypfer: install linux-headers-$(uname -r),
install build-essential, get the module source and build it
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1632 [12:41:52] <Malmis> I don't have any account for this
wiki (replaced-url
1633 [12:41:52] <Malmis> 8FBC641079A6ABABF5BD827BD9BF62 uses weak
digest algorithm (SHA1) , W:
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1634 [12:42:19] <aerth> use paste
1635 [12:42:29] <aerth> maybe
1636 [12:42:39] <Malmis> sorry, i forgot. :)
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1638 [12:42:48] <Malmis>
replaced-url
1639 [12:43:02] <aerth> i dont have an account either
1640 [12:43:08] <aerth> later yall thank you
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1650 [12:48:00] <Manis> hi. I'm trying to set up akonadi on
Debian but it does not start
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1699 [13:08:38] <soupnanodesukar> I noticed tetzle in sid is
compiled with qt4. It recently got an update to work with qt5 in git
master, if anyone wants to have a job to do. It's only a puzzle
game.
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1725 [13:19:51] <carel> hi everyone
1726 [13:20:07] <carel> i have a little problem and dont know if
any of you can assis or point me in the right direction
1727 [13:20:17] <Lapis1> ask it, carel
1728 [13:20:19] <carel> everytime i try to run any pip command i
get the following error
1729 [13:20:28] <carel>
replaced-url
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1735 [13:21:11] <carel> even if i do a pip list -o
1736 [13:21:30] <carel> have you seen this before
1737 [13:21:56] <carel> is there a place i can get some pointers
regarding this
1738 [13:22:15] <jelly> carel: which debian release is this
supposed to be? Why do you have a pip in /usr/local/bin?
1739 [13:22:40] <carel> debian 8.4
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1741 [13:23:33] <carel> pip was installed through apt-get install
python-pip
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1743 [13:24:15] <jelly> carel: not that one.
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1746 [13:24:36] <carel> i take it that apt-get thought it was the
place to install it.... but geusing here
1747 [13:24:38] <jelly> you have an extra pip in /usr/local/bin
that was not install from a package in debian
1748 [13:24:54] <jelly> carel: debian packages _never_ put stuff
under /usr/local
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1751 [13:25:12] <carel> so where did that come from
1752 [13:25:13] <jelly> so figure out how that got there.
1753 [13:25:26] <carel> let me check my history file
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1757 [13:27:59] <jelly> carel: /usr/bin/pip is the one from the
package
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1761 [13:29:21] <Jualo> Do old kernels get cleaned up by the
system or do they need manual intervention?
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1763 [13:29:53] <carel> its a mystery..... ;-) i can see when i
installed python-pip.... im the onlyone on the system...so it must
have been me but am unable to tell you where that came from from my
commandline history... im bowled out on that question
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1782 [13:33:49] <jelly> carel: I'd guess you ran pip as root,
perhaps upgraded it and installed stuff
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1784 [13:34:15] <jelly> carel: not a good idea. set up
virtualenv's as normal user and run pip there
1785 [13:34:35] <hammo> hello all, question. eth0 has pppoe link
to internet. eth1 link to local network. when setting -a postrouting
-o
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1798 [13:40:24] <carel> <jelly> I did install it as root....
as i wanted it to be available for all
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1802 [13:40:55] <carel> i will need to change that then
1803 [13:41:15] <jelly> carel: installing as root is expected.
_Using_ it as root to install other stuff, less so
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1811 [13:46:26] <seeother> I have debian box acting as
router/firewall. in some cases I want to drop specific established
connection. is conntrack -D somehow correct way to achieve this?
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1815 [13:49:55] <dagerik> how can I inspect local dns cache?
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1817 [13:50:51] <carel> <jelly> thanks for that.... I will
need to go and read up about it
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1819 [13:51:01] <mete> anyone know if mailcleaner.org is dead?
Latest build seems to be from 2014 :/
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1836 [13:58:35] <donnoc> Hello my freidns... how can I upgrade a
package which is only in a lower version on Debian
pakage-management?
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1842 [14:00:50] <ghormoon> hi, any idea for webdav commnadline
tool that would be able to login into IIS? (cadaver can't)
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1846 [14:02:52] <ghormoon> btw is anything wrong with
packages.debian.org? I'm getting quiate a lot of 500s and 503s
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1859 [14:11:46] <donnoc> ghormoon: me too
1860 [14:12:00] <ksx4system> what is the pptpd speed limit? in
theory there isn't one, in practice I wasn't able to
surpass 16mbit/s between two computers on 100mbit/s line
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1868 [14:16:57] <JavaBean> 100mbit/s connection is ~16mBytes/s ...
that is all you can get from it
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1870 [14:18:09] <ksx4system> JavaBean: it was all in megabits,
line isn't even saturated in 25%
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1872 [14:18:37] <JavaBean> geh, idk then
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1878 [14:20:09] <mimi89999> After an `apt-get upgrade` on Debian
testing
1879 [14:20:21] <mimi89999> michel@debian:~$ gnome-music
1880 [14:20:21] <mimi89999>
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/module.py:178: Warning:
g_array_append_vals: assertion 'array' failed
1881 [14:20:21] <mimi89999> g_type = info.get_g_type()
1882 [14:20:22] <mimi89999>
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/module.py:178: Warning:
g_hash_table_lookup: assertion 'hash_table != NULL' failed
1883 [14:20:22] <mimi89999> g_type = info.get_g_type()
1884 [14:20:22] <mimi89999>
/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/module.py:178: Warning:
g_hash_table_insert_internal: assertion 'hash_table !=
NULL' failed
1885 [14:20:22] <mimi89999> g_type = info.get_g_type()
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1897 [14:23:56] <mimi89999_phone> Some Gnome apps aren't
working.
1898 [14:24:19] <bazhang> try #gnome mimi89999_phone
1899 [14:24:27] <bazhang> get on their bugtracker
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1902 [14:24:43] <mimi89999_phone> But I'm using Debian
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1904 [14:25:05] <bazhang> well reporting bugs gets them fixed
1905 [14:25:10] <markybob> mimi89999_phone: and you're in the
wrong place. read the /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for
testing
1906 [14:25:16] <mimi89999_phone> Maybe it's only a problem
with the packaging...
1907 [14:25:31] <bazhang> doubtful
1908 [14:25:54] <JavaBean> also, not a good idea to work your way
around being klined
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1911 [14:26:54] <mimi89999_phone> I will report it somewhere eles
then
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1945 [14:37:01] <skazz> Anyone here know how to stream a
archive.tar.gz to a squashfs image using mksquashfs? I've seen
an example but I cannot find documentation on this -p parameter:
mksquashfs empty-dir squash.img -p 'sda_backup.img f 444 root
root dd if=/dev/sda bs=4M'
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1966 [14:47:26] <skazz> Oh well, cannot be done, rejected as an
idea to allow streaming input... I thought that was one of the main
things about linux is everything is a file/stream, nevermind .. have
to create a ext4 filesystem in a dd'd image file to extract the
file to then convert that into the sqfs... alot of horsing around =/
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1971 [14:49:10] <seeother> skazz: -p parameter is used to define
"pseudo files", the format for dynamic files is
<filename> f <mode> <uid> <gid>
<command>
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1977 [14:50:21] <seeother> the command just need to write contents
of this pseudo file to stdout
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1983 [14:52:01] <joe_snow> 'oi
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1986 [14:54:42] <joe_snow> wondering if anyone can help me set up
rofi on debian, had a bit of issues and i'm a huge noob lol
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2314 [16:01:23] <maroloccio> guys i am really puzzled by some
behavious i am seeing on stretch and stretch only
2315 [16:01:33] <maroloccio> can you try this please?
replaced-url
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2317 [16:02:04] <maroloccio> on my stretch, j grows to a large
number quickly. essentially, i am getting i/o errors on a named pipe
which i do NOT get elsewhere
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2321 [16:02:50] <markybob> maroloccio: stretch support is in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2323 [16:03:38] <maroloccio> well.. but i am asking to try this
non something other than stretch
2324 [16:03:52] <maroloccio> to verify it's not a prob with
how i set up my stretch
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2344 [16:11:03] <JordiGH> I'm having trouble with this
graphics card:
replaced-url
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2346 [16:11:55] <chele> !ask
2347 [16:11:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2348 [16:12:22] <JordiGH> Any attempt to open any window with
OpenGL results in freezing and I see a lot of IOwait.
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2361 [16:16:23] <jelly> JordiGH: stock kernel/mesa/video-intel or
jessie-backports?
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2363 [16:16:39] <JordiGH> stock kernel, jessie-backports for the
video driver.
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2367 [16:17:06] <jelly> JordiGH: you need the newer kernel and
probably libgl1-mesa-dri as well
2368 [16:17:42] <jelly> that machine is too fresh for jessie
2369 [16:17:53] <JordiGH> Alright, let me grab it all from
backports.
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2375 [16:19:51] <JordiGH> brb rebooting
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2377 [16:19:56] <jelly> JordiGH: if the machine requires any
firmware, enable non-free as well to... eg
2378 [16:19:59] <jelly> eh*
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2388 [16:23:13] <JordiGH> jelly: Thanks, graphics work with linux
4.4.0 now.
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2430 [16:43:41] <Ulrar> Hi, is there a way to have an interface be
up at boot without giving it an IP ? It's used only for
heartbeat, and for some reason heartbeat won't configure
anything if the interface is down
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2443 [16:46:18] <jelly> Ulrar: sure, put something like
"iface eth9 inet manual \n up ip link set dev eth9 up; sleep
6" in /etc/network/interfaces
2444 [16:46:54] <jelly> !interfaces
2445 [16:46:54] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file
/etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for
documentation, "zless
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for
example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a
and ifdown -a respectively.
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2448 [16:47:22] <Ulrar> Ha, I tried with manual but I didn't
put anything after that
2449 [16:47:26] <JordiGH> jelly: I wanna send you some bitcoins in
appreciation; this graphics problem had been bugging me for weeks.
2450 [16:47:52] <jelly> a positive integer amount? :-)
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2455 [16:49:39] <JordiGH> Yes, but not right away. I gotta talk
about it avec la wife.
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2460 [16:50:19] <jelly> JordiGH: I'm kidding, give to SPI
instead because I CBA to find my wallet and address
2461 [16:50:29] <JordiGH> Okay.
2462 [16:50:49] <JordiGH> (you could just aptitude install
electrum)
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2479 [16:55:06] <jelly> I could, but I still have old bitcoin-qt
client somewhere
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2481 [16:55:49] <jelly> and no clue about migration to a saner
client
2482 [16:56:43] <jelly> ,v bitcoin-qt
2483 [16:56:45] <judd> Package: bitcoin-qt on amd64 -- sid:
0.11.2-1
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2486 [16:58:02] <jelly> pffft "1 year(s) and 12 week(s)
behind"
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2488 [16:58:10] <JordiGH> "Migration" is to just send
the money to an electrum address.
2489 [16:58:28] <JordiGH> I don't think you even need to
synch to do that.
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2492 [16:58:51] <JordiGH> And if you don't care about how
much money you have on bitcoin-qt, as you don't seem to, then
just let those bitcoins disappear.
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2497 [16:59:40] <jelly> oh I'm pretty sure the amount was
close to 0 anyway
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2522 [17:05:13] <jarlopez> Hi everyone. I recently got a new
laptop and installed the latest Debian 8 (testing). During the
installation process it asked if I have the firmware for my wireless
card, which I didn't have at the time. How would I go about
transferring the non-free firmware from a Debian machine with an
internet connection to this new laptop?
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2528 [17:07:19] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: debian 8 is the current
stable. you have the option to finish the install and transfer the
.deb with the firmware afterwards using an usb stick, use a
different install image, that contains the firmware, or load the
firmware files onto an usb stick so it gets detected during the
installation.
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2532 [17:08:07] <Sayona> HI, is a way to combined the virtual user
& pam user for pure-ftpd ? I want to connect using virtual user
created in local db and pam user
2533 [17:08:24] <jarlopez> TomTomTosch: Cheers
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2535 [17:09:12] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: here is the doc for how to
load the firmware files during the installation:
replaced-url
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2537 [17:09:42] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: here are a bunch of isos
containing firmware
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2538 [17:09:51] <Lapis1> is there a debian that can work on
android?
2539 [17:10:09] <ghormoon> hi, if there's not a line with
specific configuration variable in /boot/config-kernelversion,
it's default to 'n'?
2540 [17:10:24] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: but it doesn't work
for all vendors. what chipset do you have?
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2546 [17:11:29] <scrote> hi
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2549 [17:11:46] <scrote> How can I bring a process that's
running on some terminal to the foreground of an other terminal ( I
ssh into my box and want to continue using an interactive program)?
2550 [17:12:12] <zykotick9> scrote: you might want to look into
screen or tmux for next time...
2551 [17:12:48] <scrote> ok I'll look up how to run programs
under screen or tmux. Thanks.
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2555 [17:13:46] <nikitis> Hey guys, i'm new to debian 8.
I'm trying to manually set the ip address using the gui, but
the apply button stays greyed out when trying to set my settings.
Any reason why?
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2561 [17:15:16] <abrotman> nikitis: yu'renot root?
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2568 [17:16:26] <nikitis> abrotman: shouldn't have to be. But
i just read where netmask needs a value like 24 instead of
255.255.255.0
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2572 [17:16:41] <nikitis> abrotman: And putting 24 worked
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2574 [17:16:57] <abrotman> boo
2575 [17:17:01] * abrotman would file a bug
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2578 [17:17:42] <nikitis> yeah i would think netmask should take
255.255.255.0
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2581 [17:18:13] <jarlopez> TomTomTosch: Chipset on the new laptop
is Intel 100 Series
2582 [17:18:38] <nikitis> 100? that's old no?
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2584 [17:18:52] <totem> abrotman, stop troll here
2585 [17:19:12] <abrotman> totem: Our badgers have cheddar for the
trees.
2586 [17:19:22] <jarlopez> nikitis: Hmm perhaps. Device manager
reports Intel 100 Series/C230 Series
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2588 [17:19:42] <nikitis> jarlopez: Intel is at C612 now
2589 [17:19:45] <nikitis> for latest
2590 [17:19:53] <nikitis> But maybe that's a lower grade
2591 [17:19:58] <maroloccio> i reported this bug.
replaced-url
2592 [17:20:03] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: okay, that should work
with the firmware iso or by installing firmware-iwlwifi afterwards.
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2594 [17:20:30] <jarlopez> TomTomTosch: Thanks a bunch
2595 [17:20:41] <TomTomTosch> jarlopez: no problem. good luck.
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2660 [17:38:46] <maroloccio> does the current stable support
installing onto nvme drives and booting via efi?
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2662 [17:39:03] <maroloccio> stretch does, wheezy did not (at all,
not even see the drives)
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2697 [17:51:00] <brontosaurusrex> do i want smb connection in
fstab or not?
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2699 [17:51:40] <petn-randall> brontosaurusrex: Probably not,
depends on the use case, though.
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2702 [17:52:06] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: do you want the cifs
mounts to be mounted at boot? Do you want to deal with any hangs
(systemd won't fully boot unless all enteries in fstab mount)
if the cifs mount isn't available during boot?
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2705 [17:52:27] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj: really?
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2707 [17:52:54] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: systemd considers it a
grave error if any file system in fstab cannot be mounted and
won't fully boot afiak
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2709 [17:53:11] <somiaj> so putting a network mount that could
possibly fail may have issues, though I'm unsure the best way
to go about this with systemd
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2714 [17:54:29] <somiaj> ahh seems systemd does allow one to put
some special mount flags in fstab that may change this behavior,
waht I described is just default
2715 [17:54:41] <brontosaurusrex> well, basically i need a nice
path to be used from cli, thats all.
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2720 [17:55:01] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj: what flag is that?
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2724 [17:56:40] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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2726 [17:56:46] <somiaj> scroll down to fstab and read the options
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2730 [17:58:11] <brontosaurusrex> nofail?
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2733 [17:59:13] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: I think that is it, this
will just help ensure that if the mount is unavailable systemd
doesn't consider it a grave issue and put you into a recovery
shell
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2736 [17:59:22] <brontosaurusrex> ok, thanks.
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2777 [18:11:34] <mfe_> if i accept this
replaced-url
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2784 [18:12:16] <petn-randall> mfe_: IIRC the current connection
will still persist, but you won't be able to log in after that.
So basically yes.
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2789 [18:12:38] <petn-randall> mfe_: What release are you running?
2790 [18:12:50] <jelly> mfe_: you don't have to accept it
as-is, you can tell aptitude to reject point 13)
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2792 [18:13:09] <jelly> mfe_: instead of "y" or
"n" tell it "r 13"
2793 [18:13:09] <Strykar> Hi! I'm running Debian 7.10 x64
with no systemd. What's the preferred way of ensuring a program
is restarted if it dies? a script that runs every 5 mins from cron?
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2795 [18:13:22] <mfe_> testing
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2798 [18:14:05] <mfe_> okay would you adive me to accept / r 13
and reinstall all packages after i executed aptitude install curl
openssh-server ca-certificates postfix?
2799 [18:14:07] <jelly> mfe_: then tell it "n" in the
prompt after that, and it will try to find a better solution
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2801 [18:14:18] <mfe_> ok
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2803 [18:14:20] <mfe_> thanks
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2805 [18:14:29] <jelly> ,v openssh-server
2806 [18:14:30] <judd> Package: openssh-server on amd64 --
squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5;
squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3;
wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security:
1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie:
1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2;
jessie-security:
2807 [18:14:31] <judd> 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; sid: 1:7.2p2-4; stretch:
1:7.2p2-4
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2811 [18:15:19] <mfe_> jelly,
replaced-url
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2813 [18:16:00] <nedstark> Strykar, upstart does that
replaced-url
2814 [18:16:49] <Strykar> nedstark, this replaces the init daemon?
2815 [18:16:50] <jelly> mfe_: eh, you can always quit aptitude and
use apt-get instead
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2817 [18:17:01] <mfe_> hm ok.
2818 [18:17:15] <jelly> also, try to install one at a time.
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2820 [18:17:18] <jelly> also,
2821 [18:17:19] <mfe_> i thought someone told me to use aptitude
instead of apt-get because aptitude is newer and safer :)
2822 [18:17:21] <jelly> !debian-next
2823 [18:17:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2824 [18:17:35] <nedstark> yes, for non-systemd systems like
debian 7
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2828 [18:18:02] <jelly> mfe_: you'll learn to use both and
figure out which situations one deals with better than the other
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2830 [18:18:13] <Strykar> nedstark, a pidof script or DJBs
daemontools seem less intrusive
2831 [18:18:35] <mfe_> understood jelly
2832 [18:18:39] <jelly> Strykar: if you're familiar with
daemontools, sure
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2836 [18:19:02] <jelly> but then your service has to be able to
run in foreground
2837 [18:19:22] <mfe_> i try to install gitlab and my sources
contains
replaced-url
2838 [18:19:25] <jelly> Strykar: there's more than one way to
skin that cat. Some people use monit.
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2840 [18:19:39] <Strykar> man monit :(
2841 [18:19:46] <jelly> (because writing your own scripts is
silly)
2842 [18:20:03] <Strykar> jelly, nedstark, thanks, I 4 liner
script called every 5 mins from cron it is
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2845 [18:20:44] <jelly> Strykar: also, pgrep and pkill are
probably more friendly and definitely can be more precise than pidof
2846 [18:21:07] <jelly> (procps package)
2847 [18:21:20] <Strykar> jelly, yep, aware of those thanks
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2849 [18:22:27] <jmcnaught> mfe_: if you're trying to run a
server on testing you're in for a bumpy ride with a
high-maintenance system that has no real security support. if
it's gitlab you're after, the not so ideal gigantic
omnibus package from upstream on a debian 8 server might be your
best bet
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2851 [18:22:52] <mfe_> thanks jmcnaught
2852 [18:24:36] <brontosaurusrex> Well, it is working.
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2855 [18:25:05] <brontosaurusrex> So ill just leave it there and
when it breaks ...
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2867 [18:28:34] <incal> is there a batch/CLI tool to put subtitles
(hardcode) onto a MPE
2868 [18:28:38] <incal> G4 file?
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2888 [18:36:50] <DezMaeth> i cant upgrade to jessie , this are my
sources :
replaced-url
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2892 [18:37:47] <DezMaeth> got 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 0 not upgraded.
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2894 [18:38:38] <brontosaurusrex> incal: whats MPE?
2895 [18:38:47] <incal> MPEG4
2896 [18:38:48] <incal> mp4
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2898 [18:39:50] <jelly> DezMaeth: pastebin the full output of your
"apt-get update" command
2899 [18:39:51] <brontosaurusrex> incal: ffmpeg
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2901 [18:41:33] <DezMaeth> jelly,
replaced-url
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2903 [18:42:09] <incal> brontosaurusrex: OK, thanks
2904 [18:42:20] <jelly> DezMaeth: where is that "replaced-url
2905 [18:42:45] <DezMaeth> jelly, probably a nodejs package
installed , should i remove it?
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2907 [18:42:58] <jelly> DezMaeth: did you read jessie release
notes?
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2909 [18:43:07] <brontosaurusrex> incal: I can find an example if
you wish.
2910 [18:43:08] <jelly> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
2911 [18:43:08] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
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2913 [18:43:37] <DezMaeth> jelly, thanks XDD
2914 [18:43:52] <jelly> DezMaeth: it's safer to (temporarily)
disable third party repos.
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2921 [18:45:37] <sgalvez> s
2922 [18:45:41] <brontosaurusrex> incal: "$cmd" -report
-f lavfi -i color=s=1920x1080:color=black -an -vf
subtitles=filename="$files",crop=1920:272:0:808
$optionsCRF -t $subdur "$out.mp4" < this part of script
will basically overlay subs on top of black video (kinda srt to
video converter), just an example.
2923 [18:46:07] <DezMaeth> jelly,
replaced-url
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2925 [18:46:22] <brontosaurusrex> incal: where
"$cmd"=ffmpeg
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2934 [18:48:03] <DezMaeth> jelly, did a cat os-release and got
VERSION="7 (wheezy)"
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2945 [18:49:35] <Drzacek_> Hi. Does debian come with ftp server
installed?
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2949 [18:50:20] <karlpinc> Drzacek_: No. You have to install one
with the package manager.
2950 [18:50:48] <kdog> I upgraded to samba 4.2.10 and now systemd
has masked the samba.service. Anyone know the workaround?
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2954 [18:51:22] <karlpinc> Drzacek_: vsftpd is good. But even
better is not installing a ftp server. What are you trying to do?
Perhaps sftp would work? Any sort of ftp is a pain.
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2956 [18:51:26] <PryMar56> kdog, there is a sysv equivalent
2957 [18:51:35] <jelly> DezMaeth: weird. pastebin the output of
"apt-cache policy base-files libc6" and "apt-cache
policy". if possible use a pastebin site with less ads, like
paste.debian.net
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2963 [18:52:24] <jelly> kdog: it masked the
"samba.service" because there are separate enabled
services for smbd, nmbd etc.
2964 [18:52:37] <Drzacek_> karlpinc, it's just for me, so I
can move files from remote machine to home server
2965 [18:53:01] <jelly> kdog: does samba actually not work?
2966 [18:53:11] * Drzacek_ googles sftp
2967 [18:53:13] <TomTomTosch> Drzacek_: use scp and enjoy a secure
connection.
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2969 [18:53:35] <AlexLikeRock> Google are evil
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2971 [18:54:14] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, know any good chat
channels
2972 [18:54:16] <TomTomTosch> Drzacek_: or rsync
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2974 [18:54:18] <karlpinc> Drzacek_: Then just use sftp. The
fireftp firefox plugin makes an acceptable client if you don't
want to use soemthing else.
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2977 [18:54:24] <DezMaeth> jelly,
replaced-url
2978 [18:54:35] <kdog> jelly PryMar56: I saw references to the
smbd and nmbd services. issueing "service smbd start" as
root doesn't start the daemon
2979 [18:54:36] <Drzacek_> hey, I got SCP in my terminal
2980 [18:54:40] <AlexLikeRock> Bazhang, no
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2982 [18:54:59] <Drzacek_> thanks
2983 [18:55:14] <jelly> DezMaeth: you have a non-empty
/etc/apt/preferences or something in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
2984 [18:55:20] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, #debian-offtopic
2985 [18:55:28] <jelly> DezMaeth: the release notes warned you
about that, I think
2986 [18:55:44] <jelly> DezMaeth: read the release notes, please
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2988 [18:56:11] <karlpinc> Drzacek_: Your firewallig is now
immensely eaiser. :)
2989 [18:56:17] <kdog> jelly: the service does come up on boot,
but when connecting to a share it barks about group name could not
be found, which caused me to try to restart it.
2990 [18:56:35] <DezMaeth> jelly, thank you very much , im an
idiot xD
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3037 [19:11:32] <lorddaedra> hello) how to download "business
card-size" iso (~40Mb) for Jessie? I do not see links here
replaced-url
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3043 [19:12:52] <lorddaedra> on this page
replaced-url
3044 [19:13:15] <jmcnaught> lorddaedra: why not use the netinst
image that is recommended by the install manual?
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3049 [19:14:32] <lorddaedra> I can but I tried to find smallest
available because of I need clean install, may be it will be more
clean than from installation from big fat CD/DVD
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3055 [19:16:00] <jmcnaught> lorddaedra: the netinst image is what
you want. the debian-installer has a software selection stage where
you pick what you want installed.
3056 [19:16:04] <Spine> Hey, I have been using two monitors for a
while without issue but today both my monitors go into powersave
mode if I dont unplug the one on my left
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3059 [19:16:30] <Spine> only using the left one doesn't work
3060 [19:16:35] <karlpinc> lorddaedra: It does not matter what
installer you use. You can always do a minimal install. (The
netinstall is the best choice in terms of saving bandwidth.)
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3063 [19:17:01] <jmcnaught> lorddaedra: it's recommended you
read the install manual as well:
replaced-url
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3070 [19:19:40] <Spine> I guess it is some kind of software config
issue since the computer works ~normally until I log inn
3071 [19:19:50] <Spine> also both screens work normally on windows
3072 [19:20:19] <piet> I installed Debian 8.2.0 on a Compaq
Pressario CQ62. On startup I see a line saying "ACPI: Expecting
a [Package], found type C". I googled on it but could not find
out what this message means, nor what I should do about it. It seems
the system is working, but not sure about this issue.
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3075 [19:20:50] <lorddaedra> okay, but what about "business
card-size" iso (~40Mb) for Jessie? are they exists?
3076 [19:20:58] <lorddaedra> or it's bug in documentation?
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3082 [19:22:11] <jmcnaught> lorddaedra: using a smaller iso is not
going to help you install a more minimal system. what documentation
do you mean?
3083 [19:22:26] <abrotman> the old docs mentioned the bizcard, but
I think they're gone now
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3085 [19:22:32] <lorddaedra>
replaced-url
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3093 [19:23:45] <jmcnaught> lorddaedra: i cannot find the word
"business" or "card" on the page you linked
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3095 [19:24:00] <lorddaedra> it's exists on russian version
of this page
3096 [19:24:13] <abrotman> lorddaedra: it's gone, hasn't
been there since 6.x that I can find
3097 [19:24:22] <lorddaedra> (with same url)
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3099 [19:24:34] <lorddaedra> understand, thank you
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3102 [19:25:05] <lorddaedra> so russian version is little
outdated... can I read english version of site?
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3104 [19:25:10] <lorddaedra> without proxy
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3107 [19:25:58] <mimi89999_phone> Try changing your browser's
language.
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3111 [19:26:31] <JustASlacker> hello
3112 [19:26:48] <islero> lorddaedra: it says bussinescard but
links to
replaced-url
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3115 [19:27:34] <JustASlacker> I have a debin 7 box with an atop
atop.acct eating ressources in /run. tmpfs 202M 199M 2,5M 99% /run
3116 [19:27:34] <JustASlacker> Anybody something like it? deleting
the file didnt help yet I see no handle with lsogf
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3124 [19:28:33] <Lapis1> is there a console-only debian for
android? as chroot, VM, ROM or whatever? with ability to use many of
the arm repository packages
3125 [19:28:52] <lorddaedra> I feel, I use english version of
browser and OS X by default but see russian page (yes, I have
russian IP)...
3126 [19:29:04] <lorddaedra> islero:
replaced-url
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3128 [19:29:16] <lorddaedra> it show me 2 links
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3136 [19:31:00] <lorddaedra> islero: sorry, I mean, 2 types of
images, and give 1 link to
replaced-url
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3157 [19:36:47] <Spine> I'll be right back
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3207 [19:54:17] <dondon> 1 - 1 = no sheep
3208 [19:55:11] <JustASlacker> atop.acct seems to have filled my
/run. anyway to reclaim the space or increase /run ?
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3213 [19:55:41] <greycat> I would hesitate to advise without
knowing what this atop thing is.
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3217 [19:56:17] <JustASlacker> something like top or htop
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3219 [19:56:21] <JustASlacker> process monitor
3220 [19:56:25] <greycat> But generally speaking, if it's a
daemon writing some sort of logs to /run, you should be able to stop
it, remove the logs in /run, then restart it.
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3225 [19:58:22] <JustASlacker> It looks related to this bug
3226 [19:58:23] <JustASlacker>
replaced-url
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3228 [19:58:51] <JustASlacker> I removed the offending file,
however the space is still filled up (open handle I guess?)
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3231 [19:59:05] <JustASlacker> I see no atop process, nor do I see
anything related in lsof
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3233 [19:59:30] <JustASlacker> drives me mad ^_^
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3236 [19:59:40] <greycat> use this to find opened-and-unlinked
files: lsof +aL1
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3240 [20:00:45] <JustASlacker> greycat, nice
3241 [20:00:51] <JustASlacker> greycat, but no cigar
3242 [20:00:53] <greycat> It has come up before. ;-)
3243 [20:01:20] <greycat> OK, I'm not 100% sure if lsof can
find them in /run. I have no experience with this atop thing.
3244 [20:01:24] <JustASlacker> No reference for my file
3245 [20:01:42] <JustASlacker> well I see apache handles in /run
with your lsof command
3246 [20:01:57] <JustASlacker> I have no clue about atop either
3247 [20:02:05] <JustASlacker> or why it writes to /run in the
first place
3248 [20:02:06] <greycat> If all else fails, rebooting will
definitely clear it out, since /run is volatile (memory).
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3251 [20:02:16] <JustASlacker> tmpfs 202M 199M 2,5M 99% /run
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3253 [20:02:40] <JustASlacker> yeah, but this serving webpages
3254 [20:02:45] <JustASlacker> system is
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3256 [20:03:01] <JustASlacker> probably not loadbalanced either
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3259 [20:03:38] <JustASlacker> since it doesnt look to critical
I'll probably just ignore it for now
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3262 [20:03:57] <JustASlacker> just irksome that I cant solve it
or have to solve it via reboot
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3284 [20:06:50] <bluspyder> ciao
3285 [20:06:56] <bluspyder> !list
3286 [20:06:57] <dpkg> bluspyder: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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3293 [20:07:49] <simonlnu> gee whiz, some ppl still think linux is
some sort of cracked variant of windows
3294 [20:08:03] * simonlnu sighs
3295 [20:08:26] <greycat> Why does my jessie box suddenly (as of
last week?) refuse to construct non-ASCII characters using my
Multi_key?
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3301 [20:09:18] <winsen> Hi all
3302 [20:10:12] <simonlnu> good question. i've only seen
updates that screw up things (and need re-config) in stretch.
3303 [20:10:23] <simonlnu> i'm not high, no :P
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3305 [20:12:02] <winsen> I can't access to synaptic package
manager, I had this error message: "E: dpkg was interrupted,
you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the
problem."
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3307 [20:12:29] <simonlnu> so do what it says?
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3309 [20:12:44] <winsen> Does anyone know how to fix fit? thanks
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3311 [20:13:06] <simonlnu> it tells you
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3321 [20:16:59] <winsen> simonlnu; are you with me?
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3324 [20:17:24] <simonlnu> no, i'm with my fiancee :P
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3326 [20:17:31] <bluspyder> ciao
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3329 [20:18:02] <simonlnu> winsen: it tells you how to fix it....
3330 [20:18:04] <winsen> simonlnu; ok, take care, you have better
to do
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3333 [20:18:29] <simonlnu> run that command from a root terminal.
3334 [20:18:31] <winsen> simonlnu; I really thought ...
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3339 [20:19:16] <winsen> simonlnu; I just need to type "/msg
dpkg guidelines"?
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3341 [20:19:42] <simonlnu> no. the part in "you must
manually.. "
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3347 [20:20:54] <simonlnu> you probably killed synaptic while it
was running updates.
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3349 [20:21:24] <winsen> simonlnu; what is/are the command line?
What should I type to fixe it?
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3351 [20:21:40] <simonlnu> you pasted it when you came in here.
3352 [20:21:40] <winsen> simonlnu; right, I was running both
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3356 [20:24:02] <simonlnu> winsen: you can't do both at the
same time. you must run one, then the other. there are lock files
that prevent concurrent use.
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3358 [20:24:42] <simonlnu> greycat: sounds like a weird
utf-8/latin-1 encoding issue.
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3360 [20:25:11] <greycat> Oh, this is getting weirder. If I type
"locale", it says POSIX. Where in the hell did that come
from....
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3363 [20:26:07] <greycat> env | grep LANG shows me
"LANG=" so I guess it's coming from having LANG set
to an empty string... now where the hell is THAT coming from...
3364 [20:26:09] <simonlnu> POSIX/C ? odd.
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3367 [20:27:30] <winsen> simonlnu; ok I did, now I had different
error:
replaced-url
3368 [20:27:37] <greycat> Maybe it's some new
"feature" of choosing None in dpkg-reconfigure locales? I
seem to have forgotten to put my fix in /etc/profile on this box, so
let me start there.
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3371 [20:28:04] <simonlnu> winsen: remove one, leave the other.
3372 [20:28:04] <simonlnu> !httpredir
3373 [20:28:05] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a
mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list
"deb
replaced-url
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3375 [20:28:20] <simonlnu> greycat: yeah, that's what
i'd do
3376 [20:28:48] <winsen> simonlnu; I don't understand,
however I didn't modify the source list?
3377 [20:28:54] <greycat> *sigh* but now I have to close X and
re-enter it...
3378 [20:29:33] <simonlnu> winsen: consider changing your
sources.list. well, you have a dupe, so gotta fix it either way.
3379 [20:29:43] <simonlnu> greycat: annoying yes
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3381 [20:30:15] * simonlnu is multitasking
3382 [20:30:40] <greycat> Huh. Well, my fvwm window title bars are
back to normal size now. Apparently having LANG='' gives
you smaller title bars for some reason. I mean, vertically shorter.
3383 [20:30:42] <simonlnu> eating, updating phone, updating
laptop, and here
3384 [20:30:55] <simonlnu> oh, really? weird.
3385 [20:31:33] <greycat> And yes, Multi_key works now that the
terminal windows are getting a locale.
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3387 [20:31:53] <simonlnu> yay
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3389 [20:32:10] <greycat> I wonder what actually changed that
caused the behavior. Maybe something in libc.
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3391 [20:32:41] <simonlnu> i think so, yes, there were some
updates, IIRC
3392 [20:32:43] <bluspyder> !list
3393 [20:32:43] <dpkg> bluspyder: Debian è un sistema
operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da
quello di gratis): vedi
replaced-url
3394 [20:32:49] <simonlnu> bluspyder: quit it
3395 [20:33:15] <bluspyder> scusa
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3398 [20:34:17] <winsen> simonlnu; where are the double/duplicate
line? :replaced-url
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3401 [20:34:47] <simonlnu> winsen: did you check in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too?
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3405 [20:35:37] <simonlnu> winsen: check your lines 5, 6, 14, 15.
you have several dupes.
3406 [20:35:54] <simonlnu> s/6//g
3407 [20:36:01] <simonlnu> 5, 14, 15
3408 [20:36:20] <simonlnu> you have edited it
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3412 [20:36:52] <winsen> simonlnu; I can see 8,9 =12, 13
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3415 [20:38:00] <simonlnu> you have a redir - use the redir or
ftp.fr, not both. you're just requesting the same stuff like 3
times.
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3418 [20:39:09] <winsen> simonlnu; ok, I'll try and let you
see
3419 [20:39:09] * simonlnu would recommend the redir, it's easier
to maintain
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3426 [20:41:45] <winsen> simonlnu; you said line 14, there is only
one "main contrib non free"?
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3439 [20:45:30] <winsen> simonlnu; "use the redir or
ftp.fr" what do you mean by the "redir"?
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3448 [20:47:28] <incal> brontosaurusrex: cool, thank you
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3455 [20:49:37] <luxio> Quick, how do I switch between wifi
interfaces?
3456 [20:49:39] <luxio> This is very important
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3459 [20:50:24] <simonlnu> winsen: scroll up in here
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3462 [20:50:42] <TomTomTosch> luxio: ifdown wlanx; ifup wlany; or
if you don't use ifup/down it depends on the nm you use.
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3464 [20:50:59] <jmcnaught> winsen:
replaced-url
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3467 [20:51:44] <luxio> TomTomTosch, How do I view all of the
interfaces first?
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3470 [20:52:21] <TomTomTosch> luxio: ip link show
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3482 [20:56:33] <winsen> jmcnaught: hi, there is no
"httpredir line" in my list so why this question?
replaced-url
3483 [20:56:58] <luxio> TomTomTosch, I'm trying to connect to
my new wifi dongle but I'm not sure if it's working
3484 [20:57:07] <greycat> !http.debian.net
3485 [20:57:08] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a
mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list
"deb
replaced-url
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3488 [20:57:23] <luxio> "ip link show" shows
"lo", "wlan0", and "eth0".
3489 [20:57:30] <luxio> I already have a wifi card so that's
probably wlan0
3490 [20:57:32] <greycat> http.debian.net == httpredir
3491 [20:57:33] <luxio> shouldn't i have wlan1?
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3493 [20:57:54] <jmcnaught> winsen: you don't *have* to use
the httpredir service if you don't want to. if you're
still getting warnings about duplicate sources, also check files in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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3495 [20:58:17] <luxio> Oh, now I have wlan1
3496 [20:58:38] <greycat> The duplicate sources in winsen's
are lines 5 and 15
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3498 [20:58:53] <greycat> one of them has a / on the end but
that's not important
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3505 [21:00:00] <TomTomTosch> luxio: what do you use to manage
your connections?
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3509 [21:01:28] <winsen> jmcnaught: thanks but I am sorry it
doesn't help since I can't see "httpredir" line
my source list
3510 [21:01:43] <greycat> My god.
3511 [21:01:49] <jmcnaught> winsen: look harder, figure it out.
3512 [21:01:52] <greycat> winsen: (1) http.debian.net = httpredir
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3515 [21:01:55] <greycat> winsen: (2) line 5 = line 15
3516 [21:02:04] <greycat> winsen: winsen winsen winsen winsen
3517 [21:02:11] <greycat> ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION *NOW*?
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3524 [21:03:40] <winsen> jmcnaught: right, 5 and 15 are the same,
is that the only one?
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3526 [21:03:50] <simonlnu> winsen: please use your grey matter.
3527 [21:03:57] * greycat adds to /ignore
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3530 [21:05:44] <winsen> simonlnu; I am sorry but I am not so
smart like you
3531 [21:06:25] <winsen> greycat: you've been very helpful
thank you.
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3533 [21:06:36] <simonlnu> not about being smart, it's about
looking at and looking carefully at what you have, and processing
that info
3534 [21:06:52] <greycat> And when someone tells you the answer,
reading that answer.
3535 [21:07:03] <simonlnu> if you don't get it, then go
slowly. nothing wrong with that
3536 [21:07:19] <jmcnaught> winsen: lines 5, 14, 15 are all
requesting jessie main. if you cannot understand your sources.list
replace it with the example in the wiki link i sent you earlier.
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3538 [21:08:07] <winsen> simonlnu, jmcnaught, Thank you very much
for your time. again I am sorry for bothering you.
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3544 [21:08:50] <simonlnu> you weren't bothering me, just a
little annoying :P. but, give yourself a break, too. take the time
to read and understand.
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3556 [21:14:29] <winsen> simonlnu, jmcnaught: let's say we
had miss-understanding. Thank you.
3557 [21:14:53] <moldo> can i pickup chicks by telling them that i
m debian certified ?
3558 [21:15:12] <jmcnaught> winsen: no worries, sorry for getting
grouchy.
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3571 [21:23:05] <ryouma> recently i upgraded to bpo kernel, and it
booted just fine. then as part of a normal upgrade, the older
(standard jessie) version of the kernel upgraded (i did not purge
it). now when i try booting to the backports kernel, i get thrown
into the initramfs prompt, and i keep getting usb messages, and a
garbled ALERT message. what typically causes this?
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3577 [21:24:19] <pointless> ah
3578 [21:24:21] <pointless> heaven!
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3584 [21:25:34] <jmcnaught> winsen: did you get it figured out? si
tu parles français il y a le canale #debianfr
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3608 [21:33:43] <jordila> hi
3609 [21:34:03] <jordila> #debian community , i'm getting
"Apr 25 21:28:54 guarani sshd[3261]: reverse mapping checking
getaddrinfo for 44.173.244.58.adsl-pool.jlccptt.net.cn
[58.244.173.44] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!"
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3611 [21:34:22] <greycat> TCP wrappers, most likely.
3612 [21:34:25] <jordila> from suspicious IPs ( CHina ... )
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3614 [21:34:47] <greycat> And yes, that hostname does not resolve
here either.
3615 [21:34:47] <jordila> according to /var/log/auth.log
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3617 [21:35:25] <jordila> may i take some preventive actions ? may
i worry about the server security because of ?
3618 [21:35:32] <greycat> If that's not one of your
legitimate users, then yeah, it's probably someone poking
around to see if they can get in.
3619 [21:35:45] <jordila> thanks greycat
3620 [21:35:57] <jordila> no worries then ?
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3622 [21:36:26] <jordila> (they're not legitimate users ^^)
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3624 [21:36:39] <greycat> If any of your users have easily
guessable passwords, it could be a worry. Or if there are enough
attempts that it's sucking up a noticeable amount of bandwidth,
that could be very annoying.
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3627 [21:37:06] <jordila> ok... we have strong passwd's
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3629 [21:37:30] <jordila> is it maybe a brute force attack os
something like ?
3630 [21:37:45] <greycat> Could be, if there are a lot of those.
3631 [21:38:08] <greycat> If you get a lot, the best thing to do
is move sshd to a different port.
3632 [21:38:10] <jordila> every 5 - 10 or 15 minutes
3633 [21:38:19] <jordila> since days ago... as far as we know
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3636 [21:39:17] <jordila> thanks greycat
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3664 [21:50:53] <simonlnu> yeah, move sshd port number.
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3668 [21:51:21] <greycat> (unless that would be an intolerable
burden for your users)
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3670 [21:53:05] <pointless> simonlnu: what sshd port numberf port
range do you recommend?
3671 [21:53:14] <greycat> Anything you like.
3672 [21:53:20] <pointless> thx
3673 [21:53:40] <teraflops> between 1025 and ~65500?
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3677 [21:54:18] <pointless> teraflops: ah
3678 [21:54:22] <LtL> 5001-65535
3679 [21:54:35] <pointless> I see
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3683 [21:55:15] <pointless> in vi, how to change inbetween
"insert" and "overwrite" mode?
3684 [21:55:16] <greycat> It's not going to stop someone who
*truly* wants to break into your box. It's just to stop the
dumb brute force opportunists.
3685 [21:55:22] <LtL> people rarely scan above 48000
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3687 [21:55:29] <pointless> I see, thx, LtL
3688 [21:55:29] <greycat> pointless: ESC R
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3690 [21:55:36] <pointless> thx, greycat
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3706 [22:02:05] <pointless> what about scp?
3707 [22:02:14] <pointless> where to find and change scp port?
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3710 [22:02:43] <bezaban> pointless: change ssh port
3711 [22:02:47] <simonlnu> pointless: press <insert>
3712 [22:02:54] <bezaban> oh. context?
3713 [22:02:55] <simonlnu> or that ^^^
3714 [22:03:24] <pointless> I changed the ssh port by now
3715 [22:03:24] <greycat> scp and sftp make a connection to sshd.
They use the sshd port, whatever you've set that to, or 22 by
default.
3716 [22:03:34] <pointless> ah
3717 [22:03:41] <pointless> thx, greycat
3718 [22:03:46] <bezaban> to specify a different port for scp use
host:port notation. To change the port it will listen to scp
requests change the sshd port
3719 [22:03:52] <phorce1> OK, this is something I've never
contemplated so I don't know if it's possible. Is it
possible to revert the latest SAMBA update (to 4.2.x) in Jessie back
to what it was before? I'm getting repeated segfaults when the
share is accessed by a Win7 machine and I don't have time to
deal with it right now.
3720 [22:04:11] <greycat> there's also scp -P port, if you
prefer that
3721 [22:04:23] <bezaban> !downgrade
3722 [22:04:23] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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3724 [22:04:39] <simonlnu> ~/.ssh/config using a Host def. =)
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3726 [22:05:02] <pointless> my question is answered
3727 [22:05:23] <pointless> and issue was already fixed I guess by
changing the sshd port
3728 [22:05:24] <greycat> But it's not IRC unless you get 17
different answers!
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3730 [22:05:35] <pointless> sorry
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3732 [22:05:48] <bezaban> pointless: don't apologize, good
luck :)
3733 [22:05:52] <pointless> :)
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3735 [22:05:57] <phorce1> bezaban: thank you
3736 [22:05:57] <jhutchins> Well, it's not Linux unless you
get 17 different answers.
3737 [22:06:00] <pointless> thx, bezaban
3738 [22:06:22] * pointless likes #debian
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3740 [22:06:24] <greycat> Oh trust me, this happens in
non-Linux-centric channels too.
3741 [22:06:25] <bezaban> phorce1: boring answer, but np :/
3742 [22:06:27] * pointless likes Debian
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3744 [22:06:49] * pointless is NOT new to IRC
3745 [22:06:50] <pointless> :)
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3747 [22:07:10] * phorce1 always thought of "downgrade" in
relation to the entire release, not individual packages
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3749 [22:07:34] <greycat> You can *try* to install older versions
of a specific (small) set of packages, but there are no guarantees.
3750 [22:07:43] <bezaban> nay, one way. You may pin a package at a
specific version, but I am personally not well versed with that
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3752 [22:07:53] <jhutchins> RedHat DOES support package
downgrades.
3753 [22:07:57] <greycat> If a config file or a database has
already been migrated to a new format, you (possibly) can't go
back.
3754 [22:07:59] <winsen> jmcnaught: ok, after changing source list
following the link you sent me: I had this error:
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3756 [22:08:07] <pointless> ok now how to remove root?
3757 [22:08:12] <pointless> ok now how to remove root login?
3758 [22:08:18] <greycat> You mean in sshd_config?
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3761 [22:08:26] <pointless> yes I guess so
3762 [22:08:26] <simonlnu> esp. stuff like the RDBMS and sqlite3,
it can be downright terrible.
3763 [22:08:26] <greycat> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change the
line you want to change
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3766 [22:08:48] <pointless> I want to login as
"username" and do a su - root
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3768 [22:09:00] <greycat> Then "systemctl ssh.service
restart" (or the wheezy equiv)
3769 [22:09:04] <simonlnu> much better option
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3774 [22:09:52] <phorce1> What's funny with this is the win7
machine is just accessing a media share, watching video, and
he's getting "jitters". samba is crashing and
restarting so fast that it's not actually crashing his video
player --- but I'm getting hundreds of segfault notification
emails.
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3777 [22:10:04] <pointless> greycat: I can do this and then su -
root after user login, and having added a user as wheel rite?
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3779 [22:10:14] <greycat> wheel is not a Debian thing
3780 [22:10:19] <winsen> jmcnaught: however my machine is running
under 64bit, how can I fix that issue whith chrome? what does the
last line 17 means? thanks
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3782 [22:10:19] <greycat> Are you asking about a non-Debian
system?
3783 [22:10:20] <pointless> ok
3784 [22:10:23] <pointless> no
3785 [22:10:28] <jhutchins> pointless: Note that it can be a bit
of a pain to use sftp, rsync, and scp on an alternate port. Having
things set in ~/.ssh/config helps.
3786 [22:10:30] <pointless> I am used to FreeBSD
3787 [22:10:48] <pointless> I see, jhutchins
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3789 [22:11:16] <pointless> thx, jhutchins
3790 [22:11:29] <RoyK> jhutchins: that's not much pain ;)
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3792 [22:11:45] <greycat> It's a pain if you forgot to do it,
and then forgot what the alternate port number was.
3793 [22:11:48] <jhutchins> RoyK: I think the main thing is the
syntax is subtly different.
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3796 [22:12:16] <jhutchins> "If only I could ssh in and see
which port it's listening on!"
3797 [22:12:25] <simonlnu> lol
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3799 [22:12:27] <RoyK> jhutchins: in .ssh/config, just "host
something" and the " port somethingelse" on the next
line - not much of a hassle
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3802 [22:12:49] <RoyK> jhutchins: nmap is your friend ;)
3803 [22:12:54] <jhutchins> RoyK: I mean that doing it _without_ a
config file is a pain.
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3805 [22:13:15] <greycat> On my home computer the alternate port
is actually done in my plastic router, not in the Debian system. So
sshing in wouldn't tell me.
3806 [22:13:20] <barubaru> What is the name for debian qith no X
server installed?
3807 [22:13:26] <greycat> barubaru: Debian
3808 [22:13:36] <RoyK> I usually just use the standard port (22)
and setup things like fail2ban to block bots
3809 [22:13:47] <barubaru> Greycat people around me thing other
way by some reason
3810 [22:14:01] <jhutchins> RoyK: I've had situations where
the volume of a distributed attack would overwhelm a setup like
that.
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3812 [22:14:21] <barubaru> Think*. Is there a specific name for
debian with console only?
3813 [22:14:27] <markybob> barubaru: then they're wrong
3814 [22:14:32] <jhutchins> barubaru: Debian.
3815 [22:14:33] <greycat> If you install Debian, the last thing
you do before the reboot is decide which "tasks" (large
sets of packages) to install. If you UN-check the one that says
"windowing system" or whatever, you get Debian without X
3816 [22:14:50] <RoyK> jhutchins: if it's a distributed
attack, a simple nmap should show what sshd is listening to and them
make it pretty hard to block, especially on ipv6
3817 [22:14:59] <jhutchins> barubaru: Unlike Ubuntu, which has
different names for different default desktops, Debian is just
Debian.
3818 [22:15:13] <barubaru> im loking for debian on android and
each of them try to lauch X server and they dont ask anything..
3819 [22:15:13] <jhutchins> barubaru: Many of us have run variouls
distributions in server mode, console only.
3820 [22:15:17] <simonlnu> barubaru: having xorg installed
doesn't change anything. it just means x is installed.
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3822 [22:15:22] <jhutchins> barubaru: Ubuntu without a GUI is
Ubuntu.
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3824 [22:15:43] <RoyK> really, without a gui, it's ubuntu
server
3825 [22:15:59] <RoyK> no changes elsewhere apart from the
installer
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3830 [22:16:05] <jhutchins> RoyK: What if you don't have any
server apps installed/
3831 [22:16:07] <jhutchins> ?
3832 [22:16:18] <simonlnu> it's a package difference. it
doesn't really change anything.
3833 [22:16:18] <greycat> Then it's a boat anchor.
3834 [22:16:19] <barubaru> Okay. Is there a name for linux in
general with no x server?
3835 [22:16:22] <RoyK> jhutchins: what sort?
3836 [22:16:24] <simonlnu> greycat: hehe
3837 [22:16:27] <jhutchins> barubaru: Linux
3838 [22:16:31] <simonlnu> barubaru: no
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3840 [22:16:36] <RoyK> jhutchins++
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3842 [22:16:50] <AlexLikeRock> GNU
3843 [22:16:55] <simonlnu> Linux, and GNU/Linux :P
3844 [22:17:00] <jhutchins> RoyK: I've run boxes that
weren't servers but were utilities for other purposes, perhaps
serial control of some process.
3845 [22:17:07] * simonlnu chuckles
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3847 [22:17:17] <barubaru> its hard with you guys )
3848 [22:17:30] <AlexLikeRock> ;-)
3849 [22:17:34] <greycat> We're giving you the straightest
answers we can.
3850 [22:17:37] <RoyK> jhutchins: sure, but "ubuntu without
X" is called ubuntu server
3851 [22:17:39] <simonlnu> yup
3852 [22:17:50] <barubaru> Sure. But in a non-geek world your
answer is not correct!
3853 [22:17:58] <wilbert> barubaru: X is just an application
3854 [22:18:01] <jhutchins> barubaru: As far as I know, Ubuntu is
the only one to do the renaming thing, and doesn't do it for
console.
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3856 [22:18:11] <simonlnu> in a non-geek world they need
correcting.
3857 [22:18:17] <wilbert> barubaru: you don't say " I
use windows without firefox" because you use chrome instead
3858 [22:18:29] <barubaru> Oh they do
3859 [22:18:32] <jhutchins> barubaru: No, the answers are still
correct. Linux is still Linux, Debian is still Debian.
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3862 [22:18:49] <jhutchins> barubaru: Linux existed before it had
a GUI.
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3864 [22:18:54] <RoyK> a non-geek-linux-world would be like a
non-educated professor
3865 [22:18:57] <simonlnu> way before
3866 [22:18:59] <RoyK> doesn't really make sense
3867 [22:19:06] <barubaru> Ahh. Anyway. i will have to check that
hundred options in a play market
3868 [22:19:11] <AlexLikeRock> GNU existe before linux
3869 [22:19:18] <greycat> Not *way* way before. I think Linux had
X working before it had TCP/IP working.
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3871 [22:19:31] <pointless> Amiga invented GUI
3872 [22:19:39] <pointless> sorry I misread
3873 [22:20:00] <simonlnu> greycat: could be, though i thought
tcp/ip was working before x11 was?
3874 [22:20:03] <pointless> hmm no Debian for Amiga?
3875 [22:20:04] <jhutchins> pointless: Most of what we think of
when we think of a GUI was invented by Xerox.
3876 [22:20:07] <Grk0> Can someone point me to the Debian Policy
section saying that I can't include pre-built binaries in the
source package and ship them as-is in the binary package?
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3879 [22:20:18] <RoyK> 1983 is rather 'way before linux'
;)
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3883 [22:20:31] <pointless> yeah, sorry, jhutchins, but Amiga
invented the "Xerox NG GUI"
3884 [22:20:56] <pointless> RoyK: 1985
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3888 [22:21:33] <pointless> there is/was a small linux for Amiga,
but I dunno of what year
3889 [22:21:35] <jhutchins> pointless:
replaced-url
3890 [22:21:44] <pointless> jhutchins: I know
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3892 [22:22:03] <RoyK> pointless: - Development of the GNU
operating system was initiated by Richard Stallman at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Artificial Intelligence
Laboratory as a project called the GNU Project which was publicly
announced on September 27, 1983
3893 [22:22:09] <RoyK> from wikipedia
3894 [22:22:11] <AlexLikeRock> XEROR firt GUI!!!
3895 [22:22:13] * pointless is pointless of Spaceballs
3896 [22:22:41] <AlexLikeRock> GNU RULEZ!!!!
3897 [22:22:46] <AlexLikeRock> 1983!!!
3898 [22:22:48] <jmcnaught> winsen: that's a google bug. you
can fix it by adding [arch=amd64] between the 'deb' and
URL part of that line.
replaced-url
3899 [22:23:34] <jmcnaught> is it <sunday> still?
3900 [22:23:38] <pointless> 1985 is when Amiga 1000 came, but then
again maybe I got "1983" statement wrong
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3904 [22:24:09] <pointless> .
3905 [22:24:44] <jmcnaught> Grk0: are you making packages for
inclusion in Debian? If you're making unofficial packages you
don't necessarily need to follow Debian Policy (still should be
considered best practices though)
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3909 [22:25:34] <winsen> jmcnaught: ok, should I create source
list file for chrome or can I just need entering the architecture
64bit "deb [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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3911 [22:26:21] <jmcnaught> winsen: you already have a file for
chrome in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ so you need to edit that one
instead of creating a new one and making more duplicates :)
3912 [22:26:23] <Grk0> jmcnaught: looking for a reference to tell
other people that it's a requirement for inclusion of packages
within Debian
3913 [22:26:29] <Grk0> think [citation needed]
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3919 [22:27:19] <jhutchins> Grk0: Not sure, but you could start
with /msg dpkg nmg
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3928 [22:31:13] <winsen> jmcnaught: I did "replaced-url
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3933 [22:32:44] <jmcnaught> winsen: did you add line #5 in
replaced-url
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3935 [22:33:35] <jhutchins> winsen: Are you running 32bit?
3936 [22:33:54] <jhutchins> winsen: I believe Google has dropped
support of the i386 version.
3937 [22:34:16] <jhutchins> winsen: I noticed the same error this
weekend.
3938 [22:34:27] * phorce1 is now a bit annoyed --- Wonderful. Debian
chose to update samba in Jessie to 4.2.10 from 4.1.17 as a security
upgrade. The problem I'm experiencing looks pretty rare but is
known to exist in 4.4.x. Looks like a patch for 4.4.x is going to
happen (just got noted *today* on bugzilla). But since Jessie is
stable that patched version will never be added because it just
crashes for about .01% of users
3939 [22:34:33] * phorce1 , it's not a security problem. {sigh}
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3941 [22:34:56] <winsen> jmcnaught: I did, I followed the lin you
sent to me:
replaced-url
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3946 [22:35:27] <winsen> jmcnaught: No I am running 64bits
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3949 [22:35:44] <jhutchins> winsen: You'll notice it's
complaining about the 32b list.
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3953 [22:36:13] <jhutchins> Anybody know what it is that maintains
that source file?
3954 [22:36:18] <zykotick9> winsen: ya your error output includes
"main/binary-i386/Packages" perhaps running "uname
-a" might be enlightening?!?!
3955 [22:36:43] <winsen> jmcnaught: I am running Debian 8 (jessie)
64-bit
3956 [22:36:54] <winsen> I'll try
3957 [22:37:36] <winsen> jmcnaught: Linux Host-001 3.16.0-4-amd64
#1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3960 [22:38:13] <jmcnaught> winsen: you lost me with your last
paste. i thought your problem was that the broken chrome repo was
giving an error about 386 not found. you need to add that
[arch=amd64] tag to the chrome repo, in the file in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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3962 [22:38:39] <winsen> I did
3963 [22:38:39] <jmcnaught> winsen: another option that i
recommend is using chromium (included in debian) instead of chrome.
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3970 [22:39:19] <jmcnaught> winsen: does it still look like
replaced-url
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3975 [22:40:57] <winsen> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3976 [22:41:27] <markybob> this is getting insane
3977 [22:41:44] <jmcnaught> winsen: compare lines 3 and 5. they
are basically the same, but one has the [arch=amd64] tag. remove the
one without it.
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3979 [22:42:29] <winsen> ok
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3982 [22:43:24] <greycat> markybob: I'm quite proud of my
/ignore reflex calibration. It is almost always right.
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3986 [22:43:41] <markybob> greycat: :)
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3988 [22:44:41] <winsen> jmcnaught: shoud I add THIS LINE
"deb [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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3990 [22:45:15] <jmcnaught> winsen: i strongly recommend reading
some of the books available at
replaced-url
3991 [22:45:18] <lorddaedra> is any difference between advanced
graphical install and advanced install?
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3993 [22:46:07] <jmcnaught> winsen: i never told you to add a new
line, but to add a part to a line. don't go adding more
duplicate lines, you just solved that problem. At this point you
need to *remove* line 3 from
replaced-url
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3995 [22:46:26] <winsen> jmcnaught: I removed line 3 from
'/etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list'
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3997 [22:47:18] <winsen> jmcnaught: Sorry, I was confused but I
didn't add it.
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3999 [22:47:52] <jmcnaught> winsen: okay. if you're still
having trouble i suggest you ask the google chrome people for help,
this is a bug in their software
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4001 [22:48:19] <jmcnaught> winsen: and definitely read some of
the free manuals available on
replaced-url
4002 [22:48:20] <winsen> jmcnaught: untill now I followed all what
you said
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4006 [22:49:35] <winsen> jmcnaught: It works thanks:
replaced-url
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4008 [22:49:50] <winsen> jmcnaught: right?
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4011 [22:51:24] <jmcnaught> winsen: looks error-free to me :) i
can't recommend those manuals enough. reading those will take
less time in the long run than getting confused troubleshooting
basic stuff :)
4012 [22:51:42] <markybob> jmcnaught: he removed google entirely.
there's nothing there with google
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4015 [22:52:20] <jmcnaught> markybob: i was assuming that
wasn't complete output.
4016 [22:52:22] <winsen> jmcnaught: do you mean that you're
looking an error though? which line exactly?
4017 [22:52:29] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list winsen
4018 [22:52:29] <dpkg> winsen: Please pastebin the contents of
your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The
easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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4021 [22:52:56] <jmcnaught> winsen: you should be looking for
errors with every command you type, ever. that's how you know
if something worked or not.
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4023 [22:53:22] <winsen> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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4026 [22:55:17] <jmcnaught> winsen: looks good
4027 [22:55:21] <winsen> jmcnaught: sorry I didn't show you
all the result:
replaced-url
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4029 [22:55:59] <jmcnaught> winsen: yeah i think you fixed it now
4030 [22:56:33] <winsen> jmcnaught: great thanks
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4033 [22:57:49] <winsen> jmcnaught: can you tell me what does
"contrib non-free" is it relevant to add this line and
how?
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4043 [23:00:26] <jmcnaught> winsen: main, contrib, non-free are
explained here:
replaced-url
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4047 [23:01:25] <winsen> jmcnaught: ok, I am asking you that
because of chrome but in general because I read that in the link you
sent to me
4048 [23:01:54] <winsen> I mean I am not asking you that because
of chrome...
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4059 [23:06:04] <winsen> jmcnaught: it says that I can add contrib
non-free after main but in which line? does that mean I can add it
to any line in source list after main?
4060 [23:06:54] <jmcnaught> winsen: you can add contrib and
non-free to offical Debian sources, not sure about third party ones
like google
4061 [23:07:00] <DammitJim> I bet this is very simple, but
I've made it complicated
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4064 [23:07:10] <DammitJim> I have a folder in my root called:
Raildata
4065 [23:07:17] <DammitJim> I would like to make that a new
partition
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4067 [23:07:40] <DammitJim> how do I go about doint that? I have
created another partition, but I don't know what I need to do
to make it be available...
4068 [23:07:41] <winsen> jmcnaught: I see
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4070 [23:07:44] <nebg> hello everyone deos anyone here uses tcsh ?
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4072 [23:08:24] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: add an entry for it to
/etc/fstab
4073 [23:08:35] <greycat> ,popcon tcsh
4074 [23:08:35] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, and just delete the old
folder?
4075 [23:08:36] <judd> Popcon data for tcsh: inst: 9777, vote:
2864, old: 6544, recent: 365, nofiles: 4
4076 [23:08:48] <greycat> ,popcon bash
4077 [23:08:49] <judd> Popcon data for bash: inst: 193564, vote:
167300, old: 11714, recent: 14450, nofiles: 100
4078 [23:09:00] <winsen> jmcnaught: Again, you've been
helpful man, thank you.
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4080 [23:09:44] <jmcnaught> winsen: cheers, enjoy reading your
homework :)
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4082 [23:09:57] <greycat> So, if there are roughly 365 people in
the world using tcsh on debian and reporting it to popcon, good luck
finding one of them here.
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4089 [23:10:25] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: well the filesystem needs a
mountpoint. before deleting anything you could practice mounting it
in a different place
4090 [23:10:35] <DammitJim> ok
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4097 [23:10:53] <DammitJim> yeah, so probably logistically...
create the partition, mount it with a different name... copy the
contents
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4099 [23:11:00] <DammitJim> the delete the folder
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4101 [23:11:04] <DammitJim> and rename the mount?
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4107 [23:11:35] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: something like that, or
change the config to look in the new place. don't forget to
verify your backups before deleting stuff.
4108 [23:11:42] <DammitJim> hhhmmmm... I wonder if this is going
to give me permissions headaches like samba mounts do
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4110 [23:11:52] <DammitJim> yeah, I have a snapshot
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4112 [23:12:12] <DammitJim> THANKS! Just someone talking on here..
is very assuring
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4125 [23:14:06] <DammitJim> oh man, this isn't as simple as I
thought
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4127 [23:14:07] <DammitJim> dammit
4128 [23:14:12] <DammitJim> Logical Volumes!!!
4129 [23:14:35] <DammitJim> ugh, Do I really need to create a
logical volume?
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4131 [23:14:58] <DammitJim> I mean, why would I create one? I can
expand the hard drive in VMWare
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4133 [23:16:11] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: if you're using LVM
then yes. LVM is better than partitions anyways. You can 1) add new
virtual drive in VMware 2) pvcreate to make the new drive into a
physical volume 3) add that new PV to your volume group 4) use
lvcreate to make a new LV
4134 [23:16:39] <DammitJim> wow, so you think LVM would be good...
4135 [23:16:50] <DammitJim> ok, thanks! I'll go for it with
pvcreate
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4139 [23:19:12] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: LVM is worth learning, the
RHEL manual is a pretty good overview and mostly relevant for jessie
systems
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4144 [23:21:37] <DammitJim> I've read that... but I
don't know why I get this feeling that it's too much work
for something that isn't needed
4145 [23:21:40] <DammitJim> maybe I need to re-read it
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4150 [23:23:13] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: LVM isn't really more
work than using partitions, and it's a lot more flexible. You
can do stuff like add a new drive and use the space to expand a
filesystem, have striped and mirrored volumes, make snapshots, do
thin volumes, make HDD volume cached by SSD etc
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4152 [23:23:31] <DammitJim> I need to learn
4153 [23:23:47] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: and learning is fun!
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4155 [23:24:13] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, would I be adding a new
logical volume for this new partition I'm trying to add?
4156 [23:24:37] <fred1807> how can I force fsck to do whatever he
wants, but Never prompts for user action? (jessie/systemd)
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4168 [23:26:18] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: with LVM you use logical
volumes for filesystems instead of partitions
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4173 [23:27:11] <doebi> what is a typical power consumption rate
for a debian jessie, running not more than 3 shells + a browser with
a few tabs?
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4176 [23:28:44] <jhutchins> On the other hand, with a partition
you just resize the VDK, resize the partition, resize2fs, and
you're done.
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4180 [23:29:45] <jhutchins> LVM adds an additional layer of
complexity, and additional point of failure, and enough overhead to
take down a system with extreme I/O.
4181 [23:29:52] <eatingthenight> Hello, I have a command in my
rc.local file that needs to run AFTER all my daemons are started
since it depends on rpc.statd. I'm guessing that maybe I should
change how I am doing this and was wondering if anyone had input.
Googling turned up nothing useful :(
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4183 [23:30:22] <RoyK> jhutchins: no, it doesn't add much
overhead
4184 [23:30:49] <jhutchins> RoyK: Do not speak from ignorance.
Just because you haven't seen it only means you don't know
about it.
4185 [23:30:49] <RoyK> jhutchins: I'm using LVM with pretty
large servers, quite a lot of them, really, and it works well
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4188 [23:31:56] <RoyK> jhutchins: I'm running some 10ish
servers with a total of 50TiB of storage, all on lvm
4189 [23:31:57] <jhutchins> RoyK: In average usage with modern
hardware it's pretty undetectable, but the load is there.
4190 [23:32:34] <jhutchins> RoyK: We run somewhere between 2,000
and 3,000 sites on just under 1,000 servers.
4191 [23:32:37] <SolSoCoG> /join #winehq
4192 [23:32:39] <RoyK> some 20k users, usually 3k concurrent users
4193 [23:32:43] <SolSoCoG> (:
4194 [23:33:13] <RoyK> on samba
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4197 [23:34:37] <jhutchins> RoyK: Still, you haven't seen the
load that LVM adds to the system, so there must be applications
beyond what you've done.
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4200 [23:35:21] <jmcnaught> either way, i think DammitJim said
they were dealing with a system already using LVM and in that case
using LVM is the right thing to do
4201 [23:35:25] <RoyK> jhutchins: if you think lvm has a big
overhead, please point me to some benchmark saying so, and why - if
you use snapshots with lvm, well, you're insane
4202 [23:35:52] <jhutchins> RoyK: It has overhead. I did not say
big overhead.
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4205 [23:36:00] <DammitJim> woohoo... actually, I don't know
why this time it wasn't that hard to set up this new LVM
4206 [23:36:07] <DammitJim> I'm sorry... new LV
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4208 [23:36:12] <thurstylark> eatingthenight: what version of
debian?
4209 [23:36:26] <jhutchins> RoyK: Our benchmark was very simple.
We put the datastore for one of our lager sites on LVM. It took the
site down. We put it back.
4210 [23:36:38] <DammitJim> thanks guys
4211 [23:36:43] <DammitJim> you are the breast!
4212 [23:36:46] <DammitJim> sorry, best
4213 [23:36:54] <RoyK> jhutchins: everything has overhead, but if
you want to talk badly about lvm, please post benchmark results
4214 [23:36:56] <eatingthenight> @thurstylark Jessie (8.4)
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4216 [23:37:09] <jhutchins> RoyK: You benchmark it if you want to
know.
4217 [23:37:27] <jhutchins> RoyK: Besides which, benchmarking LVM
is off topic here.
4218 [23:37:56] <jhutchins> RoyK: I merely state the fact that
there is overhead that can be detremental in high I/O environments.
4219 [23:38:00] <RoyK> jhutchins: oh it is now? after you blurted
lots of things about it without proving anything? ;)
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4221 [23:38:17] <thurstylark> eatingthenight: I would suggest
creating a systemd unit with After= defined in the [Unit] Section
instead of a sysv script.
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4224 [23:38:44] <eatingthenight> awesome, didn't know about
that. I'll take a look.
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4230 [23:40:32] <thurstylark> eatingthenight: some reading for
reference, look at the man pages for systemd.unit, systemd.service
and systemd.exec
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4235 [23:41:23] <RoyK> jhutchins: please don't post in pm if
it's a discussion - if you can compare lvm with something on
hardware or on a SAN directly, please do so openly
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4241 [23:43:32] <jhutchins> RoyK: It's not a discussion.
It's a statement of fact.
4242 [23:43:41] <RoyK> lol
4243 [23:44:00] <RoyK> a statement of fact is nice if it's
documented
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4246 [23:44:10] <jhutchins> RoyK: Please drop it here.
4247 [23:44:12] <RoyK> you haven't documented anything
4248 [23:44:19] <RoyK> so it's just a claim
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4252 [23:45:52] <jmcnaught> at this point the LVM debate is
getting off topic anyways
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4257 [23:46:27] <RoyK> jmcnaught: no, it's not off topic
4258 [23:47:22] <jmcnaught> !ot
4259 [23:47:23] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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4277 [23:56:43] <Aorious> I have low disk space in var, does it
not clear it's self? What are the least important logs?
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4279 [23:56:59] <pointless> var does not clear itself
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4282 [23:57:30] <jmcnaught> Aorious: one easy thing to do is
"apt-get clean" which clears its collection of cached .deb
files
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4287 [23:58:29] <Aorious> jmcnaught: I did that, still low on disk
space.
4288 [23:58:34] <Aorious> pointless: Ok, ty.
4289 [23:58:38] <pointless> :)
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4292 [23:58:54] <brigo> Aorious, check /var/log
4293 [23:59:22] <brigo> or even better: du -Sx /var | sort -n |
tail -n 40
4294 [23:59:29] <jmcnaught> Aorious: how big is /var? is it
separate from / ?
4295 [23:59:34] <pointless> how does one bind a domain to a debian
server?
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4298 [23:59:58] <brigo> will show you a sorted list of directories
sizes.
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