• 0[00:00:17] <HelloAtMega> I can't do it via gui
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• 2[00:00:24] <HelloAtMega> I can only perform it via cli
• 3[00:00:34] <gamerscomplete> what are you doing it in the gui with? nautilus?
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• 6[00:01:00] <HelloAtMega> It's the one that comes with Gnome
• 7[00:01:14] <HelloAtMega> I'm not sure if it's Nautilus
• 8[00:01:18] <HelloAtMega> Gnome 3, I guess
• 9[00:01:19] <gamerscomplete> I think thats nautilus
• 10[00:01:27] <gamerscomplete> does it generate any sort of error?
• 11[00:02:17] <HelloAtMega> no
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• 13[00:02:25] <HelloAtMega> I just get the options greyed out
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• 16[00:04:37] <HelloAtMega> gamerscomplete, do you know a friendly way of knowing which of the /dev devices is my usb pen drive?
• 17[00:04:54] <HelloAtMega> My Gparted doesn't starts
• 18[00:04:59] <HelloAtMega> don't know why
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• 20[00:05:09] <c-c> many use gnome-disks
• 21[00:05:32] <c-c> also udisks
• 22[00:05:33] <at0m> or lsusb with it connected and without
• 23[00:06:04] <at0m> or ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
• 24[00:06:13] <HelloAtMega> oh man... I think my Debian really needs to be formated
• 25[00:06:13] <relox> df -h
• 26[00:06:16] <c-c> I think the "defacto" way would be lshw
• 27[00:06:33] <relox> you'll see your mount points if its mounted
• 28[00:06:37] <at0m> HelloAtMega: this isn't your other OS
• 29[00:06:52] <HelloAtMega> No, this is actually my main OS
• 30[00:07:03] <at0m> pmount is nice to mount removables
• 31[00:07:23] <HelloAtMega> let me try the options that were given here
• 32[00:07:52] <at0m> just don't try the reformat you suggested ;p
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• 34[00:08:42] <c-c> I guess $ df -h gives you the same as $ lshw | grep logical
• 35[00:09:00] <tematibr> Is it normal that apache2.4 runs 3 process (instead of 1) on debian: one under root and two under replaced-url
• 36[00:09:14] <c-c> tematibr: why not?
• 37[00:09:17] <tematibr> Because the server is not under any load
• 38[00:09:35] <tematibr> what is it doing?
• 39[00:09:37] <at0m> tematibr: the servers under ww-data, and a root process to make sure its alive?
• 40[00:09:39] <c-c> tematibr: ask about apache processes in #apache or #httpd
• 41[00:10:11] <at0m> no red flags on that one
• 42[00:10:21] <tematibr> c-c: just thought that it might be a debian thing
• 43[00:10:42] <c-c> I guess: one process for responding to requests and one for middleware
• 44[00:11:02] * c-c hehe
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• 58[00:20:45] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
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• 62[00:21:04] <neilthereildeil> i am trying to build a vanilla kernel using the Debian package build system
• 63[00:21:16] <neilthereildeil> i did make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_image
• 64[00:21:28] <neilthereildeil> but the produced deb does not have kernel headers
• 65[00:21:37] <markybob> yeah that sucks. make-kpkg isn't supported anymore
• 66[00:21:40] <neilthereildeil> so when i install it on the target machine, there are no headers
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• 68[00:21:47] <neilthereildeil> how can i install headers?
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• 70[00:22:13] <markybob> !tell neilthereildeil about kernel handbook
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• 72[00:22:17] <teraflops> You missed the kernel_headers part
• 73[00:22:17] <neilthereildeil> can i just do "make headers_install" in the kernel tree and specify a dir and copy it?
• 74[00:22:24] <markybob> neilthereildeil: read 4.5 and 4.6 to do it properly
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• 76[00:22:45] <teraflops> But as markybob says is not the recommended way anymore
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• 85[00:26:20] <neilthereildeil> that link talks about installing stock debian headers
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• 87[00:26:26] <neilthereildeil> as a package
• 88[00:26:35] <neilthereildeil> but how about headers from my build tree?
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• 90[00:27:21] <markybob> neilthereildeil: you didn't keep reading.
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• 92[00:27:23] <teraflops> Because the command is make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers
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• 96[00:28:20] <markybob> nei that's 4.6
• 97[00:28:46] <markybob> neilthereildeil: 4.6
• 98[00:29:01] <neilthereildeil> hmm im ready 4.6
• 99[00:29:11] <neilthereildeil> i dont see a mention of "header"
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• 114[00:38:28] <TomTomTosch> make deb-pkg generates a bunch of .deb, one of which is the headers, if i recall correctly.
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• 121[00:42:58] <beagleboner> helo
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• 123[00:43:23] <teraflops> Ehlo
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• 142[00:51:29] <mutante> i use the "terminator" package (multiple gnome terminals in one window). do you happen to know how i can close one of the multiple terminals if i cant type "exit" because it froze, for example when it was a remote terminal via ssh and then i closed the laptop
• 143[00:51:41] <mutante> without closing the entire window
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• 148[00:54:57] <jmcnaught> mutante: ssh has an escape key ~. to close a frozen session
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• 150[00:55:43] <mutante> jmcnaught: that works! thank you
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• 153[00:56:20] <pflanze> Hello. Has anyone figured out how to change font size in rxvt-unicode, when using a ttf font (xft)?
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• 160[00:58:34] <Marenz> Greetings
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• 162[00:58:51] <pflanze> woow, finally, that worked: printf '\e]710;%s\007' "xft:Inconsolata:pixelsize=20"
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• 166[01:00:11] <Marenz> If I have an 2 interfaces A and B that can be used to access the internet, can I somehow favour one over the other? I have only one applicatoin that I want to use interface B and it will bind explicitly to it, where as everything else should use interface A
• 167[01:00:16] <Marenz> -an
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• 173[01:03:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> what is happening now? is it using only one for outgoing connections, or both
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• 175[01:03:55] <Marenz> It all goes through interface B once it's setup through the vpn client
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• 178[01:04:50] <mrrhq> Marenz: All I know is you can use "allow-hotplug" or "auto" to start up interfaces based on if the connection becomes available, or the latter for doing it automatically no matter what.
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• 180[01:05:38] <mrrhq> There's a more complicated way you could do it using source scripts.
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• 184[01:06:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that would mean you could just (somehow) reverse the device order and everything would go through A
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• 186[01:07:47] <Marenz> Hmm by phrasing my initial question I finally found some terms I can feed to google
• 187[01:07:55] <Marenz> and it seems to be mainly related to the order of the routing table entries
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• 193[01:10:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's also ifenslave
• 194[01:10:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> which doesn't answer your question but is interesting anyway
• 195[01:10:48] <beagleboner> Marenz: you can set different routes to different hosts.
• 196[01:10:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> guess routing order would make sense
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• 198[01:11:10] <Marenz> beagleboner, it's not a single or even range of hosts though
• 199[01:11:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> any packet would just be routed following the first routing rule that applies
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• 215[01:15:31] <Marenz> My default routes look like this now:
• 216[01:15:33] <Marenz> default 10.4.0.1 128.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0
• 217[01:15:33] <Marenz> default supra 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
• 218[01:15:57] <Marenz> I don't know why the one has a mask
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• 221[01:16:11] <Marenz> but I believe the mask makes it more specific while still generic enough for the internet
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• 231[01:20:05] <^v> wondering if i can dist-upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to debian jessie
• 232[01:20:25] <^v> (i know it sounds like a stupid idea)
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• 236[01:23:31] <Aorious> Hi, How can I find the cause of, "The failing step is: Install the system"?
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• 239[01:24:13] <mrrhq> ^v: Probably is. Best to (backup and) install Debian.
• 240[01:24:56] <Aorious> mrrhq, I have attempted installation twice, both have failed. The error message presented is not suffiently verbose.
• 241[01:25:25] <^v> Aorious, he was responding to me BTW
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• 243[01:25:44] <Aorious> Oh yh, opps.
• 244[01:25:46] <^v> Aorious, which version are you installing?
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• 246[01:25:53] <Aorious> 8.4
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• 248[01:26:02] <^v> and through what medium are you installing it from
• 249[01:26:25] <mrrhq> Aorious: Did you use Unetbootin to put Debian on your CD/DVD or flash drive?
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• 251[01:26:49] <Aorious> A test install on the virtual machine, using the LiveISO.
• 252[01:27:10] <^v> so a VM?
• 253[01:27:24] <Aorious> The "Hybrid" ISO.
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• 255[01:27:36] <Aorious> ^v, Yes, a VM.
• 256[01:27:45] <^v> htm
• 257[01:27:47] <^v> hrm
• 258[01:28:05] <^v> what software, i know i got jessie live ISO working flawlessly with VirtualBox
• 259[01:28:08] <mrrhq> Aorious: Maybe you need more space or RAM. I've always been able to install the XFCE and minimal installs of Debian before. Are you using the full installer?
• 260[01:28:25] <Aorious> mrrhq, It has 16GB.
• 261[01:28:33] <Aorious> 6GB*
• 262[01:28:48] <mrrhq> Aorious: That's probably not enough.
• 263[01:29:11] <Aorious> 10 GB of Disk over two drives, 6GB of RAM.
• 264[01:29:52] <mrrhq> Aorious: Well you definantly have enough ram... Hmm, not sure if 10GB is enough for a full install. Try XFCE install maybe.
• 265[01:29:54] <Aorious> ^v, Using virtual box, the version in the Debain Stable repo.
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• 267[01:30:32] <mrrhq> Or give it maybe 20GB.
• 268[01:30:34] <Aorious> mrrhq, I can assign more far more disk space. Thanks, I will try that.
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• 270[01:31:12] <Aorious> ^v, Thanks
• 271[01:31:36] <^v> o_O thats exactly the virtualbox im using
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• 274[01:37:02] <mrrhq> Ever since they moved virtualbox into contrib, I've just been using plain QEMU/KVM.
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• 287[01:50:11] <Aorious> ^v: mrrhq: It worked! Thanks you.
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• 289[01:53:01] <mrrhq> Aorious: Actually suprised it did, sweet.
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• 321[02:08:24] <afernandez_> afernandez@kanotixbox:~$ qemu
• 322[02:08:26] <afernandez_> bash: qemu: command not found
• 323[02:08:27] <afernandez_> afernandez@kanotixbox:~$
• 324[02:08:34] <afernandez_> how come ? i just installed it
• 325[02:09:01] <afernandez_> afernandez@kanotixbox:~$ apt-cache policy qemu
• 326[02:09:02] <afernandez_> qemu:
• 327[02:09:04] <afernandez_> Installed: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6
• 328[02:09:05] <afernandez_> Candidate: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6
• 329[02:09:07] <afernandez_> Version table:
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• 332[02:12:09] <afernandez_> im following this:
• 333[02:12:15] <afernandez_> replaced-url
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• 344[02:18:23] <aedinius> afernandez_: it's probably qemu-system-$(uname -m)
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• 346[02:19:32] <aedinius> lilac% which qemu
• 347[02:19:35] <aedinius> lilac% which qemu-system-x86_64
• 348[02:19:35] <aedinius> /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64
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• 355[02:22:25] <mrrhq> qemu provides qemu-system-* applications. If you want some paravirtualized goodness, you'll want to use -enable-kvm, and maybe also VirtIO
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• 357[02:23:19] <mrrhq> Haven't figured out how I could do fully-virtualized KVM, but there's fully-virtualized Xen with QEMU.
• 358[02:24:50] <aedinius> there used to be a qemu-kvm wrapper that'd do qemu-system-$(uname -m) --enable-kvm
• 359[02:24:55] <aedinius> But I think it was deprecated
• 360[02:24:57] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# lilac% which qemu-system-x86_64
• 361[02:24:58] <afernandez_> -su: lilac%: command not found
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• 364[02:25:30] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~# qemu-system-$(uname -m)
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• 366[02:25:31] <afernandez_> No protocol specified
• 367[02:25:33] <afernandez_> Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting
• 368[02:25:34] <afernandez_> root@kanotixbox:~#
• 369[02:25:52] <mrrhq> There is a kvm script. "man kvm"
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• 373[02:26:34] <avis-> i'm missing bottom mate panel in debian jessie how do i get it back ?
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• 378[02:29:10] <aedinius> mrrhq: ah, i wonder if got renamed at some point or I'm just confused.
• 379[02:29:39] <aedinius> I think I'm just confused, because my vm start script uses kvm.
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• 387[02:35:29] <avis-> i'm missing bottom mate panel in debian jessie how do i get it back ?
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• 392[02:38:02] <somiaj> avis-: It is probabally a process you can run, 'mate-pannel' or something from a terminal. I think you can also find options to get it back in the settings center/menu
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• 399[02:41:34] <mrrhq> Who else thought Ubuntu MATE was pretty cool when they first tried it out? I remember when Debian didn't package mate for a while.
• 400[02:43:14] <mutante> dont care, gnome 3 is fine :p
• 401[02:43:40] <mutante> but that is because i dont use it much
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• 403[02:44:41] <somiaj> mrrhq: debian stable is frozen, and mate was forked during that period. But mate was in the next release of debian.
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• 425[02:55:45] <krzie> can i use apt-get to install a specific version of graphicsmagick? i get GraphicsMagick 1.3.20 but i want GraphicsMagick 1.3.18
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• 431[02:58:46] <tacocat> krzie: you can find specific old versions of packages at replaced-url
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• 433[02:59:12] <krzie> thank you tacocat
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• 435[02:59:42] <tacocat> np
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• 448[03:06:19] <krzie> tacocat: im having a tough time finding it, even tried using site: with google
• 449[03:06:40] <tacocat> in the left it lets you search by source or package name
• 450[03:06:46] <tacocat> so probably graphicsmagick in this case
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• 453[03:07:12] <krzie> ahh ya the search works
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• 456[03:07:46] <tacocat> any particular reason why you need an older copy? those probably have unfixed security vulns and such
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• 526[03:41:25] <krrishg> i can't get my wifi working
• 527[03:42:12] <krrishg> anyone can help?
• 528[03:42:36] <joze> does it work now?
• 529[03:42:41] <joze> I helped
• 530[03:42:43] <tacocat> helps to know what version, desktop, and wifi card you're using
• 531[03:42:58] <krrishg> no i am via lan
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• 533[03:43:34] <krrishg> i am using lenovo g50-80 notebook
• 534[03:43:50] <krrishg> Intel Wireless 3160 wifi card
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• 536[03:44:37] <krrishg> the error message during boot is : unable to load firmware iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode
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• 538[03:45:16] <krrishg> but i can find -16.ucode only in debian website
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• 552[03:52:20] <unreg> krrishg take a look at replaced-url
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• 562[03:59:06] <krrishg> unreg thank you i am trying now.
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• 566[04:00:43] <unreg> good luck
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• 573[04:04:19] <Engys> anybody awake? =) .. I had a long night with upgrading to stretch .. after all my network interface is gone
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• 577[04:05:01] <krrishg> iwlwifi-3160-16.ucode is available there too. -17 is not there
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• 579[04:09:03] <unreg> <krrishg> wich kernel U have?
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• 587[04:11:43] <krrishg> unreg: 4.5.0-2-amd64
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• 596[04:15:05] <Engys> first time I feel like having Fedora would be nice .. Arch gone to far because Cuda did not like GCC 6 .. Debian testing leave me without network after upgrading several hours .. Jessie did not support Python 3.5 .. sometimes using Linux is really painfull!
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• 598[04:15:58] <unreg> sorry <krrishg> I don't know how to help you
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• 600[04:16:29] <c-c> Engys: seems you are confusing several different problems
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• 602[04:16:44] <krrishg> unreg: thanks for your time
• 603[04:17:17] <c-c> Engys: you *can* install any python version you like
• 604[04:17:43] <krrishg> seems Engys and I have similar problem in debian testing
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• 606[04:18:38] <Engys> krrishg so you also lost your network interface while upgrading to stretch?
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• 608[04:20:01] <krrishg> Engys: yes bro. I cant find the proper firmware
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• 614[04:22:02] <c-c> you can find common firmware here, krrishg replaced-url
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• 616[04:22:28] <Engys> c-c you mean if you use a git repo to create your own pyenv or you give a shit to the distribution resources and through a make install in you root console .. before I will do that I will create my own Linux from scratch
• 617[04:22:55] <c-c> Engys: I think you have decided that something is X, and with your attitude it doesn't matter what I say.
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• 619[04:23:18] <c-c> Engys: might be best if you either drop the attitude, or take a couple days off the computer.
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• 623[04:24:34] * c-c installing one or even many different versions of python is a trivial problem
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• 625[04:26:01] <Engys> c-c sry .. I had contrib an non-free in my sources.list how is it possible that this beast leave me without firmware?
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• 627[04:27:01] <krrishg> c-c : i need ucode 17 which is not available there
• 628[04:27:05] <c-c> Well first of all, one has to make sure it is indeed a problem related to missing firmware. This might be cause by undetected hardware.
• 629[04:27:16] <c-c> Engys: how do you know this is the case? ^
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• 631[04:27:43] <c-c> krrishg: can you do $ lshw -- and identify the hardware that needs firmware from its output?
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• 634[04:28:54] <c-c> Have you seen "Failed to load firmware" errors? Or?
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• 636[04:29:25] <Engys> c-c yep it is just intuition because I get some firmware warnings ..
• 637[04:30:19] <c-c> Engys: see, this is digital computing we are dealing with. No need to guess. Also, complex system. No need to guess, *identify* problems.
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• 639[04:31:11] <c-c> Now.
• 640[04:31:33] <c-c> Engys krrishg try this: $ cat /var/log/kern.log | grep firmware
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• 642[04:31:52] <c-c> - sorry, that needs sudo!
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• 644[04:33:40] <Engys> c-c no problem .. first I need to mount sdc1 on my archlinux to send some grep into my broken debian
• 645[04:34:13] <c-c> or, you might also use $ update-initramfs to get reports of potential missing firmware
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• 647[04:34:23] <c-c> but that might have side-effects, depending on your system state
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• 649[04:36:26] <c-c> I installed my system with the firmware-included-iso to make things easier, broadcomm nic yanno
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• 651[04:39:32] <c-c> Engys: as a final note, failure to get network conn over wlan during install is often due to slow handshakes or dhcp. I sometimes have to try 3 times to get a response from the switch/isp "fast enough"
• 652[04:39:55] <unreg> krrishg> replaced-url
• 653[04:40:02] <Engys> c-c rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2 failed to load
• 654[04:40:31] <Engys> c-c I am on wire
• 655[04:41:16] <c-c> unreg: krrishg has quit
• 656[04:41:36] <c-c> Engys: just to be sure, is that from kern.log? or?
• 657[04:41:49] <Engys> c-c yep
• 658[04:42:32] <Engys> c-c eth0 unable to load firmware patch
• 659[04:42:35] <c-c> Engys: can you find with $ apt-cache search rtl8168 ?
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• 661[04:43:06] <c-c> if so, apt-get install xxxx
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• 665[04:46:54] <c-c> Engys: also, peeking into /lib/firmware can be enlightening
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• 667[04:48:31] <engys_> .. just rebooting the other side
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• 674[04:53:16] <engys_> firmware-realtek named the package .. but my debian installation try to pick it from internet xP
• 675[04:53:46] <c-c> of course
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• 677[04:54:46] <engys_> is it possible to get the package + install it with dpkg
• 678[04:54:54] <c-c> so, you don't have the firmware-realtek package on your local filesystem, and no internet conn? Then you must dl it from repo and use removable media
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• 680[04:56:06] <c-c> engys_: a sec
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• 684[04:57:55] <c-c> engys_: so, on a net connected system, try $ wget replaced-url
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• 687[04:59:31] <engys_> c-c you are my rescue =)
• 688[05:00:03] <krrishg> engys : got your problem solved?
• 689[05:00:24] <krrishg> i got disconnected
• 690[05:00:35] <c-c> I guess you know you can install that with $ dpkg -i firmware.xx.deb once you have copied to the machine
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• 694[05:01:23] <engys_> I am wondering a bit because the package should name firmware-realtek_20160110-1_all.deb
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• 697[05:02:05] <engys_> yep is also existent
• 698[05:02:21] <c-c> engys_: I think that package I linked to should have 8168e firmware, but there may be newer versions available
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• 701[05:03:01] * c-c is working with jessie
• 702[05:03:45] <eliotime> I couldn't update the Google's signatures of Pepper Flash Player updater (pepperflashplugin-nonfree).
• 703[05:04:06] <c-c> engys_: hm, ok I see now, you are on stretch, right?
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• 705[05:04:23] <engys_> krrishg give me a second I need to copy the package to the system than we know more
• 706[05:04:37] <engys_> c-c yep
• 707[05:04:44] <awwal> eliotime, which arch are you running?
• 708[05:05:21] <c-c> engys_: not sure if the dpkg will accept that firmware or not.
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• 712[05:05:47] <c-c> You can use these instructions for manual download of .deb packages for offline use: replaced-url
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• 715[05:06:56] <eliotime> I'm running the update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree executable.
• 716[05:07:08] <krrishg> c-c : what should i do about ucode 17?
• 717[05:07:10] <eliotime> with verbose and install options
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• 719[05:07:44] <c-c> Basically just $ apt-cache show package-name, select filename, pre-pend with $ wget replaced-url
• 720[05:08:15] <c-c> select filename == select the path from the "Filename:" -field
• 721[05:08:50] <awwal> eliotime, arch: i386 (32 bit), amd64 (64 bit)... ?
• 722[05:09:02] <eliotime> amd64
• 723[05:09:02] <engys_> why kernel.org not debian.org/ ... anyway I hope that is the same deb
• 724[05:09:04] <c-c> krrishg: not sure what you mean - does that mean you are missing some firmware?
• 725[05:09:06] <awwal> arch, architecture
• 726[05:09:16] <c-c> engys_: you can use debian mirrors too
• 727[05:09:37] <c-c> engys_: any repo actually, how dpkg -i works with it is another thing
• 728[05:09:53] <awwal> eliotime, is your peper pkg up-to-date?
• 729[05:10:05] <awwal> pepper
• 730[05:10:16] <eliotime> Yes, my mkg is up-2-date (i'm using Debian stable branch)
• 731[05:10:20] <c-c> engys_: you could even just google up the filename with "stretch repository"
• 732[05:10:58] <awwal> eliotime , apt-cache policy pepperflashplugin-nonfree ?
• 733[05:11:13] <awwal> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
• 734[05:11:13] <krrishg> No packages found
• 735[05:11:14] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.2+nmu1; stretch/contrib: 1.8.2+nmu1
• 736[05:11:23] <c-c> krrishg: can you describe your situation? what says: $ sudo cat /var/log/kern.log | grep firmware
• 737[05:11:44] <eliotime> And why does not update the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package from stretch as a security update?
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• 739[05:12:34] <c-c> eliotime: because chrome wants to manage its own updates?
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• 742[05:13:45] <awwal> eliotime, pepper had problems with new apt rules and sha signatures, but with last pepper version update-pepper.... should work just fine, if thats what you was asking
• 743[05:13:52] <eliotime> Maybe update their internal signature archive will ease all the single process of update the pepper flash plugin, and the rest, Google will do it.
• 744[05:14:34] <c-c> everyone should just let flash die
• 745[05:14:53] <eliotime> I updated the pepper flash player directly from Debian Security repo in contrib section for Jessie branch.
• 746[05:15:32] <eliotime> But not all the websites lets that Flash dies.
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• 749[05:15:56] <c-c> eliotime: they must, as Adobe has decided to discontinue Flash.
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• 753[05:16:19] <c-c> Sooner flash dies, the sooner better video player support.
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• 756[05:16:50] <awwal> eliotime, sure you are using debian 64 bit (amd64)?
• 757[05:17:06] <eliotime> Practically, all the occidental websites are migrating to HTML5 and CSS3, but some south american goverments are annoying with use Flash Player.
• 758[05:17:14] <c-c> eliotime: $ uname -a
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• 760[05:17:59] <eliotime> Yes.
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• 762[05:18:16] <c-c> wb
• 763[05:18:16] <eliotime> I've installed Debian Jessie 64 bits.
• 764[05:19:52] <awwal> eliotime, your issue sounds the one solved here replaced-url
• 765[05:19:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 766[05:20:03] <krrishg> cc thanks
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• 772[05:22:02] <eliotime1> Linux eltm3kNTBK 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 773[05:22:03] <krrishg> now it keeps loading and says no networks
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• 775[05:22:28] <c-c> krrishg: what is "it" and what are you doing?
• 776[05:23:41] <krrishg> c-c : i am trying to select network from wifi icon in right corner in gnome
• 777[05:24:53] <krrishg> it loads and loads forever with "No Networks" message
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• 779[05:25:19] <c-c> yes
• 780[05:25:31] <c-c> krrishg: often wlan detection is bit quirky
• 781[05:25:49] <engys_> c-c installing was not the problem but I need to reboot twice to get my interface back =)
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• 783[05:26:10] <silverfall> reboot twice
• 784[05:26:11] <c-c> krrishg: I'm not familiar with gnome, but just add a new connection, and type ssid, conn type and pass manually and it will be found
• 785[05:26:50] <c-c> engys_: installing the OS or the dpkg -i -installing?
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• 788[05:27:37] <c-c> krrishg: if you don't remember the ssid, you will just have to change position a little, and refresh the wifi networks
• 789[05:27:38] <engys_> installing the firmwarepackage with dpkg -i
• 790[05:28:15] <c-c> engys_: why twice?
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• 794[05:29:14] <engys_> c-c no idea .. first reboot ifconfig shows nothing
• 795[05:29:33] <silverfall> try ifconfig -a
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• 797[05:29:51] <c-c> engys_: hehe ok, maybe your method is a little ... uh, boot centric
• 798[05:29:56] <engys_> c-c .. second reboot I got my eth0 back
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• 801[05:31:25] <engys_> and now I came to the point where gtx 960 is not supported from stretch xP
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• 803[05:31:51] <c-c> engys_: again, why do you think so?
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• 806[05:32:50] <krrishg> c-c : no option to add wireless in wifi settings
• 807[05:32:54] <engys_> startx leave me with x server connection refused .. maybe I have done something wrong
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• 809[05:33:43] <c-c> krrishg: hehe are you sure about that :)
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• 812[05:34:45] <krrishg> c-c : i dont know. I may have messed something up
• 813[05:34:56] <c-c> krrishg: open the system menu, click on wi-fi
• 814[05:35:40] <engys_> c-c yep that was my fault .. I missed to install the nvidia xorg package
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• 816[05:35:46] <c-c> krrishg: not sure if for correct gnome version: replaced-url
• 817[05:36:02] <c-c> engys_: well just install it with apt-get or from synaptic
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• 820[05:36:26] <c-c> engys_: nvidia also has a repository for in-dev driver versions you can use
• 821[05:37:32] <engys_> yes!!! ..back on track .. and now to the point why I am doing all that =P
• 822[05:37:42] <c-c> krrishg: sorry, I pasted the wrong link replaced-url
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• 824[05:38:44] <c-c> engys_: this? replaced-url
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• 829[05:39:43] * c-c har har
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• 832[05:41:10] <krrishg> c-c : the problem is when i click 'Select Network' there is no option available. It keeps scanning forever
• 833[05:41:45] <c-c> krrishg: maybe your wlan is set to hidden
• 834[05:42:02] <c-c> I sometimes have to scan 3-4 times, seeing only my neighbours wlans
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• 836[05:42:44] <krrishg> c-c: i cannot see any wlans. But i can connect in other devices
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• 838[05:43:13] <krrishg> this happened after dist-upgrade to testing
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• 840[05:43:50] <c-c> hm, what does say: $ sudo cat /var/log/kern.log | grep firmware
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• 842[05:44:08] <c-c> krrishg: in other words, are you sure you got your firmware installed and nic working?
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• 847[05:46:28] <c-c> krrishg: you could also try looking if output from lsmod seems to include the name of the firmware
• 848[05:47:06] <krrishg> c-c : there are some firmware which failed to load with error -2
• 849[05:47:39] <c-c> so, thats your problem
• 850[05:48:08] <c-c> unless those are mini usb refridgerator firmware!
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• 852[05:48:47] <krrishg> iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode
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• 855[05:49:08] <krrishg> i cant find this file anywhere
• 856[05:49:10] <c-c> yup, thats wlan
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• 858[05:49:32] <c-c> krrishg: do you have wired connection on that compu?
• 859[05:49:49] <krrishg> the latest version i could find is iwlwifi-3160-16.ucode
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• 861[05:50:15] <krrishg> yes i am usb tathering via my phone
• 862[05:51:14] <c-c> krrishg: you can look for the firmware with $ apt-cache search iwlwifi-3160....
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• 864[05:51:45] <c-c> see the package name, then $ apt-get install packagename
• 865[05:52:23] <c-c> or, you can try to find it here and save it on disk, and install with $ dpkg -i packagename - replaced-url
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• 867[05:52:52] <krrishg> no firmware found in apt-cache search
• 868[05:53:54] <c-c> are you sure you are on stretch?
• 869[05:54:33] <krrishg> dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode': No such file or directory
• 870[05:54:33] <dpkg> krrishg: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 871[05:54:43] <krrishg> yes i am on stretch
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• 874[05:54:57] <c-c> I can confirm that package firmware-iwlwifi_20160110-1_all.deb inside firmware.zip contains that firmware
• 875[05:55:07] <c-c> from that url I linked above
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• 877[05:56:04] <c-c> krrishg: you will need to download the file first, then unpack it
• 878[05:56:24] <c-c> krrishg: but, the stretch repos *should* have some version
• 879[05:57:02] <c-c> krrishg: how about, just try this:
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• 881[05:57:14] <c-c> $ apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
• 882[05:57:39] <krrishg> c-c : did that already
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• 884[05:58:16] <c-c> ok 8) then do $ ls /lib/firmware/iwl**
• 885[05:59:15] <c-c> and compare to $ lshw | grep iwl
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• 887[06:00:46] <krrishg> 17 is not there
• 888[06:02:21] <krrishg> i guess i should re install debian
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• 891[06:03:41] <c-c> be cool and patient. Installing a missing firmware is easy. Just need to figure out what gives. krrishg: what does the lshw | gre
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• 893[06:04:05] <c-c> uh this says what? $ lshw | grep iwl
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• 896[06:04:49] <krrishg> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=4.5.0-2-amd64 firmware=16.242414.0 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn
• 897[06:05:34] <krrishg> this is the output of $ lshw | grep iwl
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• 899[06:06:30] <c-c> Ok well, then, download a copy of "firmware.*" from here replaced-url
• 900[06:06:57] <c-c> Open in file browser, extract firmware-iwlwifi-NNNNN.deb from it
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• 902[06:07:26] <c-c> krrishg: you can extract to /tmp
• 903[06:07:32] <krrishg> i tried that too already
• 904[06:07:38] <c-c> Oh, whats that say?
• 905[06:08:06] <krrishg> same problem
• 906[06:08:21] <krrishg> scanning and scanning
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• 908[06:09:13] <c-c> krrishg: that doesn't compute
• 909[06:09:28] <c-c> krrishg: did you extract the .deb, and install it from *that* url?
• 910[06:10:15] <c-c> using $ dpkg -i /tmp/firmware-iwlwifi-NNNNN.deb
• 911[06:10:34] <krrishg> i extracted the .deb and copied to /lib/firmware/
• 912[06:10:42] <c-c> ok dont
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• 914[06:11:02] <c-c> remove the .deb from /lib/firmware
• 915[06:11:09] <jelly> !debian-next
• 916[06:11:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 917[06:11:11] <krrishg> ok
• 918[06:11:37] <c-c> krrishg: /tmp is ok place, it gets wiped on restart
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• 920[06:12:05] <c-c> then, you will have to make dpkg install it, using $ dpkg -i /tmp/firmware-iwlwifi-NNNNN.deb
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• 922[06:12:28] <c-c> krrishg: theoretically you could extract the firmware from *
• 923[06:12:50] <c-c> *inside* the .deb archive, but I think in iwl's case, it includes drivers as well
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• 926[06:14:45] <c-c> krrishg: once you get dpkg to install it, reboot should make kernel load the firmware/driver module. And now you are also fully tutored in the secret ways of debian package installing
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• 929[06:16:01] <krrishg> c-c: thanks bro. i will be back after restart
• 930[06:16:11] <c-c> gl!
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• 937[06:20:10] <c-c> hm, I wonder if apt-get update would have taken care of his firmware-not-in-repo problem...
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• 944[06:21:48] <krrishg> c-c: its same again
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• 949[06:22:45] <c-c> krrishg perhaps first try $ cat /var/log/kern.log | grep firmware
• 950[06:22:57] <c-c> to see if there are errors loading firmware from kernel
• 951[06:23:34] <c-c> (of course, with 'sudo' before 'cat')
• 952[06:24:27] <krrishg> firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode (-2)
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• 954[06:25:43] <c-c> krrishg: ok, first, can I ask you to join me in #debian-next
• 955[06:26:06] <c-c> that way possible stretch-related bugs will be in log, and we wont annoy the stable users :)
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• 957[06:26:31] <Rusty1_> krrishg: probably not the problem, but what does, as root , rfkill list wifi , return
• 958[06:26:46] <krrishg> Channel is invite only
• 959[06:26:50] <c-c> Ah, true
• 960[06:27:01] <jmcnaught> #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, not on freenode
• 961[06:27:19] <c-c> well just stay here, and annoy
• 962[06:27:23] <c-c> 8D
• 963[06:27:27] <jmcnaught> along with dozens of other debian channels
• 964[06:28:27] <jmcnaught> c-c: by the way you don't need cat the the above, "grep firmware /var/log/kern.log" works too. "dmesg | grep firmware" is another way
• 965[06:28:46] <c-c> cool, I always forget
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• 967[06:29:14] <krrishg> Rusty1_ : Soft blocked:no Hard blocked:no
• 968[06:32:23] <c-c> krrishg: have you done $ apt-get update
• 969[06:33:04] <c-c> heh, I mean, with sudo or as #
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• 971[06:34:21] <krrishg> c-c : yes i did
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• 974[06:37:11] <c-c> krrishg: do you have "non-free" listed in the stretch repos of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 975[06:37:53] <c-c> ie. $ grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list
• 976[06:38:18] <krrishg> c-c : yes i added contrib non-free
• 977[06:38:45] <c-c> ok, go root with $ su
• 978[06:38:45] <krrishg> and apt-get update
• 979[06:38:51] <c-c> then # apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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• 981[06:39:06] <c-c> # modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi
• 982[06:40:38] <krrishg> c-c : i need to go to work. I will do that after some time
• 983[06:40:44] <krrishg> and thanks again
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• 985[06:41:06] <c-c> krrishg: np, save this and use the "jessie" instructions replaced-url
• 986[06:41:50] <c-c> (hehe "stretch" isn't yet edited in)
• 987[06:42:08] <krrishg> c-c : ok bro
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• 1000[06:56:04] <breakfast> so in the bin directory there are a bunch of elf files that seem to correspond to shell commands. what are those?
• 1001[06:57:39] <jmcnaught> breakfast: can you give an example?
• 1002[06:57:47] <breakfast> ok hold on
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• 1005[07:00:15] <breakfast> ok. /bin contains many files. one of which is titled mv. file mv tells me that mv is "elf 32 bit lsb executable"
• 1006[07:00:24] <breakfast> with some other stuff
• 1007[07:00:41] <breakfast> and the other fines are chmod, pwd and other shell commands
• 1008[07:00:51] <breakfast> so are these the shell commands themselves?
• 1009[07:00:56] <breakfast> what are these?
• 1010[07:01:03] <jmcnaught> breakfast: ELF is the binary format used by programs in Linux. every one of those will have a man page, for example "man mv"
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• 1012[07:01:38] <breakfast> so these are the commands themselves.
• 1013[07:02:07] <jmcnaught> yeah
• 1014[07:02:20] <breakfast> so any program that is distributed as a binary is an elf file like these?
• 1015[07:02:33] <jmcnaught> correct
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• 1019[07:03:41] <breakfast> so typing the name of program will run it. so i can add programs to this directory to run them when i type them no matter where i am in the directory tree?
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• 1023[07:05:09] <jmcnaught> breakfast: you can run any program in a directory in your $PATH environment variable. /bin and /usr/bin should only contain programs installed by Debian packages. /usr/local/bin is where you would put new programs not from packages.
• 1024[07:05:23] <jmcnaught> breakfast: run "echo $PATH" to see your $PATH
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• 1028[07:07:11] <breakfast> what is my $PATH? the directories that contain programs i can run by typing them?
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• 1031[07:08:00] <jmcnaught> breakfast: yes. you can also run programs not in one of those directory by typing in the absolute path, for example /opt/foobar/foo
• 1032[07:08:08] <breakfast> right
• 1033[07:08:43] <breakfast> my $PATH includes bin directories and two game directories
• 1034[07:08:56] <breakfast> strange seeing how games are not a strong point of linux
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• 1036[07:09:58] <engys_> yep and you can add your own path with PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin for example
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• 1041[07:11:12] <somiaj> though you may want to put $HOME/bin at the front so you can use it as the highest priority
• 1042[07:11:23] <engys_> put this in .bashrc and add export PATH and you have it next time you log in your account
• 1043[07:11:25] <jmcnaught> the default ~/.profile in debian actually adds ~/bin to $PATH if it exists
• 1044[07:11:51] <somiaj> breakfast: that is partly due to the FHS, for some reason the old linux games (like nethack, and lots of other console games) weren't put in /usr/bin
• 1045[07:12:27] <jmcnaught> also /usr/games is not in root's $PATH, but /sbin and /usr/sbin are (while those are not in regular user's)
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• 1047[07:12:30] <breakfast> oh interesting.
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• 1049[07:12:48] <breakfast> not in root path?
• 1050[07:12:58] <breakfast> does that mean not in the root directory or folder?
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• 1052[07:13:40] <breakfast> oh wait
• 1053[07:13:41] <jmcnaught> breakfast: i mean root the superuser
• 1054[07:13:42] <breakfast> i misread
• 1055[07:13:48] <breakfast> you mean its not in the thing
• 1056[07:13:49] <breakfast> yeah
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• 1058[07:14:45] <breakfast> why do they call it becoming root
• 1059[07:14:51] <breakfast> you are not root
• 1060[07:14:53] <breakfast> root is root
• 1061[07:15:08] <breakfast> how do you become a directory
• 1062[07:15:17] <breakfast> you are just a man
• 1063[07:15:44] <polyzen> wat
• 1064[07:16:16] <polyzen> the root user
• 1065[07:16:59] <breakfast> so they call it becoming the root user because you can change things in the root directory. this makes sense
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• 1067[07:17:13] <breakfast> but saying that you become root or are root just seems strange to me
• 1068[07:17:28] <breakfast> its confusing for beginners
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• 1070[07:19:09] <polyzen> rooting allows the system to absorb water and nutrients fr...
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• 1074[07:20:21] <breakfast> i am groot
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• 1076[07:20:32] <polyzen> The name root may have originated because root is the only user account with permission to modify the root directory of a Unix system. replaced-url
• 1077[07:20:41] <ryouma> breakfast: if you are befuzzled by that, then id(1) will really bake your noodle
• 1078[07:21:14] <polyzen> login your nogin
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• 1133[08:08:40] <xormor> I already got the 8.5 version number in my /etc/debian_version, from the base-files. is it because I have debian-proposed-updates in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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• 1151[08:19:59] <themill> xormor: yes; "apt-cache policy $packagename" will be enlightening for this
• 1152[08:20:51] <xormor> xormor, ok
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• 1156[08:22:10] <xormor> themill, thank you
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• 1158[08:22:20] <themill> np
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• 1167[08:32:09] <xormor> is there a reason for me to use "apt" instead of "apt-get" and "aptitude"?
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• 1170[08:33:44] <themill> it has slightly different defaults for some behaviours such as installing new packages as part of an upgrade
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• 1174[08:35:21] <xormor> themill, ok
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• 1177[08:36:33] <themill> at the same time, apt(8) doesn't have a stable CLI yet and so shouldn't be used in scripts while apt-get(8) does; that stability promise is part of the reason to have a separate tool)
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• 1185[08:37:30] <at0m> and by default apt doesn't retain the .deb's anymore after installation, while the others do, afaik
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• 1187[08:38:10] <at0m> useful on my rpi where /var/cache/apt/archives is in ramdisk, for example
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• 1190[08:41:25] <rhizome> i like apt. it has a progress bar and autocomplete
• 1191[08:41:46] <at0m> apt update && apt upgrade ftw :)
• 1192[08:42:01] <rhizome> maybe it's bash that gets you that kind of command completion? i've seen it elsewhere
• 1193[08:42:20] <at0m> yes, /etc/bash_completion.d/
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• 1195[08:43:24] <themill> newer apt can also install local .debs and build-deps based on a d/control file
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• 1199[08:44:11] <rhizome> well well, that dir is welcome news to me, but unfortunately nothing about apt in either the file or the .d/*
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• 1204[08:45:56] <themill> there's no bash completion for apt in jessie
• 1205[08:46:15] <rhizome> maybe a testing thing then.
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• 1207[08:46:38] <rhizome> apt au<tab>
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• 1209[08:47:14] <at0m> indeed nothing in my bash_completion from apt, yet autocompletes apt upg<tab> ok. also testing here.
• 1210[08:47:29] <rhizome> something fancy is going on
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• 1214[08:48:10] <rhizome> i'm sure if i read changelogs more i might catch those things
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• 1225[08:54:49] <at0m> rhizome: fancy or fishy, not all my testing machines have the autocomplete. probably something for oftc irc.
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• 1227[08:55:46] <WormFood> I have an interesting problem. It feel like there is another keyboard connected, where someone is randomly pressing a key, to interrupt my keyboard input. Key repeat sometimes works, and sometimes not. And I think this issue, is related to my browser having painfully slow keyboard input. Has anyone experience anything like this before?
• 1228[08:55:50] <rhizome> huh
• 1229[08:56:22] <at0m> WormFood: try closing the browser. does it happen in other apps, is it system-wide?
• 1230[08:57:00] <WormFood> It is system wide. I don't think the browser is the cause of it, I feel the browser is a victim of it. When I close the browser, I still have this problem.
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• 1232[08:57:58] <WormFood> if I type "too fast" in my browser, it just pauses, and everything after that pasue, is random. I mean, the characters I type, but in a random order. It's extremely frustrating.
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• 1236[08:58:46] <at0m> i get the "app not picking up on my typing instantly", but the chars show up ok after small delays eventually. not randomized
• 1237[08:59:27] <at0m> and indeed more often in browser than elsewhere.
• 1238[08:59:31] <WormFood> I don't have delays in other software. I don't have the out-of-order problem anywhere except in my browsers (both chrome and ff)
• 1239[09:00:06] <WormFood> And my machine is pretty respectable as far as performance goes. It's no slouch in the horsepower department.
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• 1244[09:04:17] * WormFood wonders if it could be some usb device connected to the system, that is causing the problem.
• 1245[09:04:43] <at0m> that's easy to find out, disconnect usb devices
• 1246[09:05:01] <WormFood> yeah, except for my keyboard and mouse.
• 1247[09:05:50] <rhizome> does it have bluetooth?
• 1248[09:05:54] <WormFood> yes
• 1249[09:06:04] <WormFood> I think I have that connected.
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• 1252[09:06:23] <WormFood> But. I just checked, and it's not connected
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• 1304[09:54:25] <roenene> Hi, I'm trying to xbuild with libmono-microsoft-build-tasks-v4.0-4.0-cil - how do I do this?
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• 1316[09:59:35] <roenene> Oh I've found the main issue, just an old version.
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• 1382[10:51:06] <WormFood> This channel has been exceptionally quiet for almost 2 hours.
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• 1387[10:52:06] <Wulf> WormFood: And I liked it that way!
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• 1443[11:27:17] <raboiu> How do I check if opencl for my nvidia device works?
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• 1446[11:29:48] <bazhang> raboiu, using opencl for what
• 1447[11:30:03] <raboiu> bazhang: scallion
• 1448[11:30:15] <bazhang> whats that
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• 1450[11:30:30] <raboiu> bazhang: replaced-url
• 1451[11:30:44] <bazhang> no idea sorry
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• 1453[11:31:44] <raboiu> it seems to only list my intel card as a supported device, so I think I can't get opencl to work on nvidia
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• 1456[11:32:34] <bazhang> if you give a short overview of what scallion is, perhaps more would help out
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• 1459[11:35:18] <raboiu> it's a tool to generate onion addresses with the preferred name
• 1460[11:35:43] <raboiu> glxinfo | grep -i opengl doesn't show nvidia
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• 1514[12:00:28] <Gaiseric> What the hell, systemd! Talk about toxic developers... replaced-url
• 1515[12:00:44] * Gaiseric apologises for being in ranting-mode
• 1516[12:01:09] <Gaiseric> "With systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session existsWith systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session exists"
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• 1518[12:01:16] <Gaiseric> Wow, just wow.
• 1519[12:01:46] * Gaiseric is sorry for mis-pasting
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• 1537[12:18:01] <jelly> Gaiseric: keep this chanel free for tech support of issues in debian, please
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• 1547[12:27:05] <RoyK> jelly: is there another channel for that?
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• 1549[12:28:29] <jelly> RoyK: for what, rants?
• 1550[12:28:39] <jelly> maybe, who knows
• 1551[12:28:53] <RoyK> it wasn't really a long rant
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• 1554[12:29:30] <jelly> RoyK: let's continue this metaconversation in #debian-offtopic
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• 1556[12:29:51] <jelly> (which is not for rants either)
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• 1559[12:31:08] <xVim> Hi. Can someone explain to me what the "luks" option in the 4th field of an entry in /etc/crypttab does? According to the manual, it is not a valid option.
• 1560[12:31:31] <xVim> Yet it is set on my Jessie system.
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• 1562[12:31:58] <jelly> xVim: are you reading crypttab(5)?
• 1563[12:32:06] <xVim> yes
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• 1566[12:33:07] <xVim> jelly: Nevermind.
• 1567[12:33:18] <jelly> ;-)
• 1568[12:33:43] <xVim> jelly: I read replaced-url
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• 1570[12:34:00] <xVim> I always thought they were equal :/
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• 1572[12:35:35] <jelly> it's probably rather outdated
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• 1580[12:39:13] <raboiu> still can't get bumblebee & nvidia to work with opencl :-(
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• 1650[13:22:05] <x37> good game
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• 1656[13:26:42] <knamehost> hey can anybody help me fortify my debian againts hackers etc... i need some tutorials or sort
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• 1678[13:42:14] <unborn> knamehost: what do you mean? your desktop or server?
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• 1682[13:45:06] <knamehost> my desktop ... should i set some config , for hackers not to do something with my system, or i leave it as default
• 1683[13:45:41] <unborn> I think you can leave everything as it is knamehost
• 1684[13:46:29] <unborn> debian is secured enough - just make sure you using password for your account and let it be.
• 1685[13:46:53] <sbine> Just keep your system up to date, check the logs, iptables can help you too, and join ##security
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• 1704[13:59:05] <Engys> After all I am slowly coming back to a fully functioning linux system .. that was stony! Linux like to be ugly .. Any idea why the terminl prompt say something like stretch/sid .. I thought it is testing
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• 1706[14:00:19] <Javabean> testing is going to say that until the "freeze" leading to stretch's release
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• 1713[14:04:44] <Engys> ok I thought stretch was becomming testing while jessie got to stable
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• 1717[14:07:04] <Javabean> right now, basically(the truth is probably rather complicated)... stretch is part of sid, when the freeze comes dev's will remove sid's instability issues to create the next stable which will be stretch
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• 1721[14:08:08] <Engys> so I need to be lucky that the "thing" has a "name" =)
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• 1723[14:09:54] * WormFood is waiting for a distro to name their releases after STDs.
• 1724[14:09:55] <Engys> so while all this user packages are binary compatible they go all over every package and do them again and again .. and again?
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• 1727[14:12:03] <Javabean> you might get more details if you try #debian-next on server irc.oftc.net
• 1728[14:12:27] <Engys> lol .. I am wainting on a day Linux is going mature!
• 1729[14:13:17] <Javabean> its pretty mature now, i have had over 200days uptime on an "ancient" netbook
• 1730[14:13:19] <WormFood> Engys, Linux is very mature
• 1731[14:13:57] <WormFood> I've had over 600 days uptime on Linux before. Only went down due to an extended power outage (UPS wouldn't last long enough)
• 1732[14:14:47] <Javabean> i can't match that, environment isn't kind to electronics
• 1733[14:14:55] <dvs> WormFood, that's a bit careless because there would have been a security update in that time.
• 1734[14:15:10] <WormFood> dvs, so
• 1735[14:15:35] <WormFood> dvs, don't assume every system is online, nor that every security related issue is something that can be exploited remotely
• 1736[14:15:37] <Javabean> dvs, it is possible to update the kernel while running
• 1737[14:16:51] <WormFood> But, it doesn't matter, because it was acting as an embedded device, even tho it was a whole computer. It had no internet access, and all services were turned off, except ssh, and the one task it had to do.
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• 1739[14:18:05] * dvs thinks of the Heartbleed bug...
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• 1742[14:18:41] <Engys> ok then there is only one answer -> the Linux kernel need a distribution that is worth to carry the name -> Linux distribution!
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• 1744[14:19:38] <dvs> Engys, linux just needs one distribution for the (untechnical) masses
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• 1746[14:20:14] <Engys> you mean one that did not break if you upgrade it?
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• 1748[14:20:43] <dvs> Engys, upgrade? the masses probably won't do that.
• 1749[14:21:09] <Javabean> i have had excellent luck with debian... even debian sid runs great.... but if sid breaks, it breaks hard
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• 1751[14:22:40] <Engys> yep but stable is old .. I mean really old .. for a server this will do fine but try to compile some newer gits and you are completely lost
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• 1755[14:24:39] <Javabean> hmm let me try this
• 1756[14:24:44] <Javabean> !backports
• 1757[14:24:45] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 1760[14:25:05] <linux_> Hi, My sources.list looks like this: replaced-url
• 1761[14:25:13] <linux_> the contrib non-free goes to end of all lines?
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• 1763[14:26:00] <Engys> on the other hand you have this Archlinux friends .. they push first and then they begin to think about the upcomming problems
• 1764[14:26:54] <Javabean> !non-free
• 1765[14:26:54] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
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• 1768[14:28:27] <Javabean> but yeah, i haven't had any real problems using the versions of things in debian stable, but backports would have newer versions of many packages. some might be what you are looking for, without the need to do builds
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• 1773[14:30:40] <linux_> I will make an installable LiveUSB with an application, which means all my apps and settings going to be on the system. It is a bootable system. If you install it it installs in 10 minutes with all the apps and settings I have on any PC or laptop. My question is: If I install all the wireless drivers to be compatible with most laptops cause it any problem?
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• 1775[14:31:28] <Engys> Javabean, try to get a simple thing -> python 3.5 as backport package for jessie
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• 1778[14:32:57] <xVim> Is there an alternative to LibreCrypt (which seems unmaintained) to open LUKS encrypted devices on Windows?
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• 1786[14:38:11] <Engys> what brings me back where I stopped last time in Debianland .. reprepro
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• 1793[14:45:29] <Engys> any idea how I can alter the fontsize for qt apps on stretch so that they fit to the fontsize of the gtk theme globally?
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• 1829[15:08:35] <c0rd0va> can i run aircrack-ng on wlan 801? :v i new on wireless attack :3
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• 1837[15:10:56] <Engys> systemsettings was the answer to the qt question .. but it did not work in stretch .. is that the reason why qt got this ugly icon? maybe a gtk+ joke?
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• 1848[15:16:12] <Engys> now I need to search where systemsettings create the file because it could not write to it .. all this works in jessie perfectly fine .. what makes stretch that unique?
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• 1852[15:18:25] <root-x> how close the serial tty?
• 1853[15:18:39] <root-x> next to open/dev/ttyS0
• 1854[15:18:48] <root-x> open /dev/ttyS0
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• 1868[15:25:37] <Engys> hey switching DPI in XFCE settings appearance off and on fixed my QT appearance magically .. hehe .. frickelOS
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• 1896[15:42:54] <johny44> hi... i just installed a kali, rolling release, which ias far as i understood is based on debian
• 1897[15:43:12] <johny44> i have some issues getting x running on my lenovo T60
• 1898[15:43:21] <TomTomTosch> !kali
• 1899[15:43:21] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1904[15:44:06] <johny44> @TomTomTosch thx
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• 1908[15:44:47] <johny44> @TomTomTosch, so i dont get a general advise on X and Kali in here?
• 1909[15:45:00] <nkuttler> johny44: nope
• 1910[15:45:26] <johny44> @all thanks for your politeness
• 1911[15:45:52] <johny44> thats what i love in the community
• 1912[15:45:59] <TomTomTosch> we have no idea how kali implements stuff. so anything we know might not be valid.
• 1913[15:47:03] <johny44> @TomTomTosch, i found some stuff in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
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• 1918[15:48:19] <johny44> and some stuff in /usr/share/gdm/dconf/90-debian-settings
• 1919[15:48:40] <nkuttler> johny44: #kali-linux
• 1920[15:48:47] <johny44> danke
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• 1939[15:56:45] <dfcnvt> Has there been a change to audio?
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• 1944[15:58:26] <TomTomTosch> WHAT DID YOU SAY?
• 1945[15:58:33] <TomTomTosch> i mean, explain your problem, please :P
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• 1950[15:59:52] <afernandez_> I just created a vm with kvm anyone has a tutorial how do i give it access to the internet? thank you
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• 1952[16:00:40] <Engys> afernandez_ what do you mean with access .. NAT should be the default
• 1953[16:01:22] <Engys> afernandez_ and by the way what did you install in it?
• 1954[16:01:35] <afernandez_> ssh and debian basic
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• 1957[16:01:50] <afernandez_> how do i enable mouse cp and paste?
• 1958[16:02:11] <Engys> did you use virt-manager?
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• 1960[16:02:42] <afernandez_> yes
• 1961[16:02:51] <afernandez_> kvm cli commands
• 1962[16:02:58] <afernandez_> and now virt-viewer
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• 1964[16:03:58] <Engys> virt-manager should be the easiest way to setup an image .. then it should have a NAT connection by default
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• 1966[16:04:09] <Gaiseric> afernandez_: Why not virt-manager, I find it powerful and easy to use
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• 1968[16:05:07] <Engys> if you like to connect from outside you need to create a bridge
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• 1970[16:05:54] <afernandez_> yes that I need the bridge thingie
• 1971[16:06:01] <Gaiseric> clipboard integration though is another thing entirely, and depends on both VM technology and special guest drivers... I don't care about it enough to search whether it's supported with QEMU/KVM
• 1972[16:06:02] <afernandez_> any where i can read about it?
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• 1975[16:06:57] <afernandez_> my ip's are in the 192.168.1.0
• 1976[16:06:59] <afernandez_> range
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• 1978[16:07:08] <afernandez_> this vm id is 10. something
• 1979[16:07:12] <afernandez_> ip*
• 1980[16:07:30] <Engys> yeah go for it .. install bridgeutils and add a br0 to your /etc/network/interfaces
• 1981[16:07:36] <Gaiseric> then it's using either NAT or an isolated (virtual) network
• 1982[16:07:54] <afernandez_> I will be right back manicure time the lady is here , feel free to place the tutorial for the bridge
• 1983[16:07:56] <afernandez_> thanks
• 1984[16:08:07] <Engys> lol
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• 1987[16:10:18] <Engys> man and I thought I am a little bit cheeky
• 1988[16:10:34] <sypher> Engys: That's not cheeky, that's straight up entitled.
• 1989[16:10:56] <Engys> hehe
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• 1991[16:11:38] <dfcnvt> Okay, the audio is not working after the black out (power goes off and back on)
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• 1993[16:12:16] <dfcnvt> I tried to see if it's a temporary issue. I restarted my computer normally by reboot.
• 1994[16:12:25] <dfcnvt> The audio still not working.
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• 1998[16:13:02] <dfcnvt> I checked the audio setting and each volume is turned to high. No sound. Checked for any mute -- none, mute is turned off.
• 1999[16:13:18] <dfcnvt> No sound
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• 2001[16:13:37] <Engys> ok then afernandez_ -> replaced-url
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• 2004[16:14:41] <dfcnvt> I don't know if it's a coincidental that it was my computer that was powered off involuntarily. Or that it's a separate issues.
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• 2016[16:17:32] <TomTomTosch> dfcnvt: does aplay -l list your device?
• 2017[16:17:46] <dfcnvt> TomTomTosch: checking...
• 2018[16:17:57] <MarcL> seems that adove flash player does not work anymore with firefox, someone knows how to do to use flash on firefox?
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• 2021[16:18:07] <MarcL> Adobe*
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• 2023[16:19:25] <dfcnvt> TomTomTosch: Yes, it listed 6 device
• 2024[16:19:28] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 2025[16:19:56] <dfcnvt> How do I select between device 0 or device 1?
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• 2027[16:20:31] <TomTomTosch> dfcnvt: you can, for example, select the output device in pavucontrol.
• 2028[16:20:55] <dfcnvt> I assume I need to apt-get install pavucontrol?
• 2029[16:21:09] <TomTomTosch> yes.
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• 2032[16:21:29] <TomTomTosch> or use a tool that comes with your DE.
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• 2035[16:25:48] <dfcnvt> TomTomTosch: Tried all configuration -- no sound came up.
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• 2037[16:26:31] <Engys> dfcnvt what does aplay -l show up
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• 2039[16:26:57] <dfcnvt> The same.
• 2040[16:27:00] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 2041[16:27:26] <spacebug> ehm... finally got sound in Spotify. It was using the wrogn output on my soundcard. Thing is, I made some changes to /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf but then reverted the changes.. then it worked. Ehh..whhaaaat? :-|
• 2042[16:28:02] <dfcnvt> .....Let me physical check the audio port.
• 2043[16:28:32] <spacebug> Guess it is a few years (decades) before the Linux year for Desktop
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• 2047[16:29:23] <dfcnvt> The mini jack is plugged in and intact. Hmm
• 2048[16:29:34] <Engys> dfcnvt did you select a default audio device in pavucontrol?
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• 2053[16:31:11] <dfcnvt> Engys: Which top section should I select and take a look in?
• 2054[16:31:11] <Engys> dfcnvt I mean this green check button you can select in output devices
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• 2056[16:31:35] <dfcnvt> There's, Playback; Recording; Output Devices; Input Devices; Configuration;
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• 2058[16:31:51] <dfcnvt> Output Devices, okay
• 2059[16:32:12] <dfcnvt> There's two body.
• 2060[16:32:18] <dfcnvt> Let me take a photo and show you.
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• 2062[16:33:28] <john44> TomTomTosch: the debian wiki page wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo solved the issue, i installed some mesa stuff
• 2063[16:33:41] <Engys> simply press the check button in the row of your sb output device
• 2064[16:33:42] <dfcnvt> Engys: Here: replaced-url
• 2065[16:34:26] <john44> TomTomTosch: thanks for pointing to this page
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• 2067[16:35:01] <dfcnvt> Engys: I've toggled the shield logo & the green check logo. 00, 01, 10, 11 -- no sound.
• 2068[16:35:10] <TomTomTosch> the kali guy again? passive agressive much?
• 2069[16:35:35] <Engys> dfcnvt did you use spdif out?
• 2070[16:36:24] <dfcnvt> Engys: Yes. "Digital Output (S/PDIF)"
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• 2072[16:37:10] <Engys> dfcnvt so you have connected a optical wire to your amplifier
• 2073[16:37:16] <Engys> +n
• 2074[16:37:24] <dfcnvt> ...No optical wire here. :\
• 2075[16:38:28] <dfcnvt> I think I do have a sound card that is capable of interfacing the optical connection but I have no such sound system connecting to the optical interface.
• 2076[16:38:54] <dfcnvt> Just a cheap speaker with mini audio jack
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• 2078[16:38:57] <TomTomTosch> do you have headphones you can use to check?
• 2079[16:39:36] <Engys> dfcnvt could you select something else than sp/dif
• 2080[16:39:37] <TomTomTosch> or a different device to check the headphones with, like a phone?
• 2081[16:39:56] <Engys> dfcnvt I mean another port
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• 2085[16:41:04] <Engys> dfcnvt something else than Digital Output S/PDIF
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• 2087[16:42:09] <dfcnvt> I don't have a headphone... :(
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• 2090[16:43:31] <TomTomTosch> okay. 'pactl list sinks' might give more info or killing pulseaudio and running it with -vvvvv
• 2091[16:44:11] <TomTomTosch> pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -vvvvv
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• 2096[16:44:32] <Engys> like you can see while using aplay -l your ALC892 has Analog Audio .. you need to use this one
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• 2099[16:48:49] <dfcnvt> I'm going to check inside my computer -- checking to see if any capacitor on my motherboard is blown.
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• 2101[16:51:08] <dfcnvt> Just made a check -- no seen blown capacitor....
• 2102[16:51:44] <dfcnvt> Okay, I've tried 'pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -vvvvv' -- it just a stream of info -- no revealing info.
• 2103[16:51:52] <dfcnvt> Let me copy/paste for you to look at.
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• 2107[16:54:21] <dfcnvt> Here's a very long result. replaced-url
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• 2109[16:54:58] <TomTomTosch> maybe overdid the number of v D:
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• 2114[16:59:55] <Engys> looks like your Analog Audio Device fails while initializing .. ok my time is up here .. thanks for tolerating my short-tempered Stretch installation. Debian is doing a great job! I am only a little bit impatient. Its my inner evil, sry 4 that!
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• 2117[17:00:39] <nedstark> @realdonaldtrump Debian is making Linux great again
• 2118[17:00:56] <acidfoo_> hello folks ! I'd like to enable core dumps when an application crash on Debian Jessy (8), does any one know a tutorial about it ? thanks !
• 2119[17:01:06] <dfcnvt> Engys: Thanks nonetheless.
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• 2127[17:06:55] <dfcnvt> I'm going to shutdown then unplug the power cord. Let it rest for past 5 min then start up the computer and see.....
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• 2131[17:09:11] <raindog> is anyone using Plasma5? I just switched over and the scaling of the entire desktop looks like it's meant for ants I can't read anything!
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• 2133[17:10:15] <TomTomTosch> plasma 5 is not in stable, but you can ask there v
• 2134[17:10:19] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 2135[17:10:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2138[17:11:48] <raindog> thanks!
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• 2168[17:27:23] <afernandez_> Thank You Engy for the link
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• 2173[17:33:31] <acidfoo_> hello folks ! I'd like to enable core dumps when an application crash on Debian Jessy (8), does any one know a tutorial about it ? thanks !
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• 2176[17:34:19] <Tekkkz> Hello. Could someone please convert my termite config to a urxvt config please? replaced-url
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• 2187[17:42:21] <avian> I'm trying to deprecate an ipv6 address on an ppp endpoint using "ip addr change ... preferred_lft 0"
• 2188[17:42:45] <avian> it works for about 10 minutes, then the "deprecated" flag gets reset
• 2189[17:43:22] <avian> any ideas what could be resetting the flag?
• 2190[17:43:47] <Dagger> avian: my guess would be that you're receiving an RA from your ISP
• 2191[17:45:33] <Dagger> avian: I'm not sure what the right fix it, but you could set net.ipv6.conf.ppp0.autoconf=0 to stop configuring addresses from the RAs
• 2192[17:45:36] <Dagger> s/it/is/
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• 2194[17:46:29] <avian> Dagger, hm. thanks.
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• 2197[17:46:59] <Dagger> (and if you still need the address, add it manually)
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• 2206[17:48:47] <avian> I'll try without the autoconfigured address.
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• 2230[17:56:40] <afernandez_> ok following this replaced-url
• 2231[17:56:40] <afernandez_> i tried to add the new created nic as per instructions......:
• 2232[17:56:40] <afernandez_> # brctl addif br0 eth1 ens3
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• 2237[17:57:13] <afernandez_> oops
• 2238[17:57:26] <afernandez_> broke my connection in the other box
• 2239[17:57:40] <avian> Dagger, thanks. Apparently things work without a SLAAC address on the ppp interface as well
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• 2242[17:58:05] <afernandez_> how do i revert
• 2243[17:58:10] <afernandez_> all that i did
• 2244[17:58:37] <afernandez_> brctl addif br0 eth1 ens3
• 2245[17:58:40] <afernandez_> i did that
• 2246[17:58:48] <afernandez_> where that goes to?
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• 2252[18:01:45] <r141223> ...test...
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• 2258[18:05:27] <r141223> I'm in Kali live usb mode. I file using leafpad to the desktop, but it is not visible anywhere other than from save-as (& etc.) windows. Is this normal?
• 2259[18:05:34] <r141223> * saved
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• 2262[18:07:13] <towo`> r141223, wrong channel
• 2263[18:07:16] <sypher> afernandez_: I think the lesson you need to learn here is understand what commands do before simply running them in tutorials.
• 2264[18:07:17] <towo`> no kali support here
• 2265[18:07:44] <sypher> afernandez_: Because what you just stated you did in the brctl command is a mixture of things that doesn't make sense.
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• 2267[18:08:21] <Engys> this stretch beast losing network on the run and freezing xwindows
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• 2270[18:11:28] <Engys> is somebody in here using a custom kernel on stretch?
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• 2274[18:14:48] <Engys> anyway .. I think its time for a Fedora test .. man this crap eats all my time
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• 2282[18:17:27] <vahe> hi all ))don't know why but the laptop has become very a lot of noise because of the fan that is going all the time,the temperature became more
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• 2286[18:17:54] <vahe> debian 8.4 64bit
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• 2301[18:26:30] <relipse2> why is my server so slow to respond
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• 2307[18:29:18] <BinBasher> Getting the [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver when running optirun glxgears, does anyone know what to do? I'm trying to get bumblebee to work again
• 2308[18:29:46] <chachasmooth> debian 8.5 released? replaced-url
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• 2310[18:29:54] <chachasmooth> but they removed the blog post
• 2311[18:29:58] <BinBasher> I think it broke because of some recent intel or xorg upgrade or something, should I just reinstall bumblebee?
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• 2313[18:30:31] <chachasmooth> "The Debian project is pleased to announce the fifth update of its stable distribution Debian 8 (codename jessie). This update mainly adds corrections for security problems to the stable release, along with a few adjustments for serious problems. Security advisories were already published separately and are referenced where available."
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• 2315[18:30:59] <unborn> heh
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• 2317[18:31:09] <unborn> chachasmooth: 8.5?
• 2318[18:31:22] <chachasmooth> well, that was the title of the blogpost
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• 2320[18:31:40] <chachasmooth> maybe they were hacked?
• 2321[18:32:40] <chachasmooth> see: replaced-url
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• 2323[18:33:20] <unborn> chachasmooth: on main website is 8.4 iso.. doesnt seems anything like it..
• 2324[18:33:32] <BinBasher> nice try, chachasmooth, but your inspect element shenanigans are not good enough!
• 2325[18:34:11] <chachasmooth> BinBasher ? :(
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• 2329[18:34:40] <BinBasher> :3
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• 2334[18:36:40] <BinBasher> So, should I just reinstall bumblebee or is there a less troublesome fix?
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• 2337[18:36:56] <winterss> hi bin
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• 2339[18:37:18] <BinBasher> hi winterss
• 2340[18:37:24] <winterss> how are you?
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• 2342[18:37:34] <BinBasher> Good, how are you?
• 2343[18:37:43] <winterss> meh ok
• 2344[18:37:48] <winterss> have some beer
• 2345[18:37:51] <winterss> need to get more tho
• 2346[18:38:01] <winterss> just heavy to carry home
• 2347[18:38:04] <winterss> wish i had help
• 2348[18:38:14] <BinBasher> With what do you need help?
• 2349[18:38:20] <winterss> cleaning
• 2350[18:38:21] <BinBasher> oh
• 2351[18:38:34] * BinBasher runs away
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• 2357[18:40:11] <Bushman> ave
• 2358[18:40:27] <Bushman> weird thing happening. i can't connect my BT keyboard
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• 2362[18:41:14] <Bushman> i thought the keyboard was broken or batteries were dead but no. checked both... new batteries and the keyboard on my android phone. works right away.
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• 2364[18:41:35] <Bushman> so... is there anyone whoul could help me diagnose the problem with my bluetooth in debian?
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• 2366[18:42:21] <Bushman> i've tried to manually connect with the KB from bluetoothctl
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• 2368[18:42:55] <Bushman> that showed that it was paired ok but when it comes to starting using it it says [CHG] Device 20:73:AB:45:E3:5B Connected: no
• 2369[18:43:35] <Bushman> the device seems to be trying to connect cause it pops up from time to time with connected: yes, and then back to no
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• 2372[18:43:56] <Bushman> anyone willing to try and help me find what could be the reason for this?
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• 2375[18:45:11] <BinBasher> Bushman: are you able to type while it says yes
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• 2378[18:46:36] <Bushman> yes and no.
• 2379[18:46:44] <Bushman> it typed some garbage once
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• 2381[18:46:54] <Bushman> but usually it's just one second and no inputs are taken
• 2382[18:47:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> look what happens in dmesg and syslog on connecting
• 2383[18:47:12] <Bushman> i've tried deleting and re-pairing the device too
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• 2386[18:48:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> or possibly still /var/log/messages
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• 2392[18:53:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> when you find an error you can google it
• 2393[18:53:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> or does bluetoothctl give you something
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• 2412[19:02:50] <Bushman> oh man... now bluetoothctl is not pairing it properly
• 2413[19:03:03] <Bushman> no pin is shown and the pairing times out
• 2414[19:03:05] <Bushman> ;/
• 2415[19:03:17] <Bushman> it worked few minutes ago >_<'
• 2416[19:03:38] <Bushman> Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationCanceled
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• 2419[19:04:26] <Bushman> it asked me to input the pincode after pair command
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• 2421[19:04:46] <Bushman> now it only shows "connected: yes" and times out after a while
• 2422[19:05:06] <Bushman> or fails if i just press enter on the keyboard cause it's not the correct pin
• 2423[19:05:14] * Bushman is confused AF
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• 2435[19:10:31] <TomTomTosch> it shows up in the scan? turn the keyboard off and back on, scan again?
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• 2438[19:10:55] <TomTomTosch> keyboar is in discoverable mode?
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• 2440[19:11:08] <TomTomTosch> or the keyboard even.
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• 2442[19:11:55] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: yes. did that, and did that (multiple times)
• 2443[19:11:56] <Bushman> yes
• 2444[19:12:08] <Bushman> (in chronological order)
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• 2446[19:15:34] <Bushman> ok, so here's what it looks like to me from CLI now:
• 2447[19:15:35] <Bushman> replaced-url
• 2448[19:15:58] <Bushman> it's a fresh start with device powered down and removed from discovered devices.
• 2449[19:16:14] <Bushman> haven't touch the keyboard after making it discoverable
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• 2452[19:17:01] <Bushman> as you can see no pin is presented to me and the connection is jumping on and off
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• 2459[19:20:18] <TomTomTosch> you can try 'agent KeyboardOnly' and then 'default-agent' if you don't plan pairing anything else.
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• 2461[19:20:44] <Bushman> umm...
• 2462[19:20:52] <Bushman> i've checked /var/log/syslog
• 2463[19:21:01] <Bushman> it said no agent for blah blah
• 2464[19:21:07] <Bushman> i've invoked agent on
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• 2466[19:21:16] <Bushman> then the pin was shown
• 2467[19:21:21] <Bushman> i've paired it now...
• 2468[19:21:34] <Bushman> still no input tho, invetingating further
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• 2470[19:22:32] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: are those premanent settings?
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• 2472[19:22:46] <Bushman> asking in case i DO need to pair my phone :P
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• 2474[19:23:05] <Bushman> also, it's a mouse/keyboard combo
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• 2476[19:23:41] <Bushman> used to work in my previous OS which i believe was some ubuntu 14 or something...
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• 2478[19:24:03] <Bushman> run away from gnome 3 to xfce on debian :P
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• 2480[19:24:15] <Bushman> anyway...
• 2481[19:24:27] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: ?
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• 2483[19:24:51] <TomTomTosch> no, it's not permanent.
• 2484[19:24:54] <jmcnaught> Bushman: I don't use bluetooth but there is a wiki page here that doesn't mention bluetoothctl (maybe that's a newer tool?) but does have some stuff you could try: replaced-url
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• 2486[19:25:14] <jmcnaught> it mentions to pair devices that you need a passkey-agent like gnome-bluetooth or bluedevil
• 2487[19:25:25] <Bushman> jmcnaught: yes, gnome
• 2488[19:25:37] <Bushman> i just mentioned i've run away from it :P
• 2489[19:25:49] <Bushman> but thank you for your input ;]
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• 2492[19:26:46] <Bushman> jmcnaught: also, i've just figured out the agent was not enabled. it's paired now
• 2493[19:26:58] <Bushman> but still no input and it does not connect
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• 2496[19:27:18] <TomTomTosch> it's paired but does not connect?
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• 2498[19:28:01] <Bushman> looks like it
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• 2500[19:28:09] <Bushman> i'm still trying to investigate
• 2501[19:28:40] <TomTomTosch> btw if you want to change the agent you can type agent <tab> and see the choice you have.
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• 2505[19:29:19] <TomTomTosch> KeyboardOnly just sounds like the one you want to use.
• 2506[19:29:48] <Bushman> replaced-url
• 2507[19:30:08] <Bushman> as you can see it goes offline after pairing and seems like it never comes back
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• 2509[19:30:26] <TomTomTosch> battery low?
• 2510[19:30:55] <Bushman> nope
• 2511[19:31:04] <Bushman> 1.55V 4A
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• 2513[19:31:11] <Bushman> i call that an ok batter
• 2514[19:31:20] <Bushman> especially for a tripple-A
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• 2516[19:33:01] <Bushman> god damn it... someone had BT enabled outside my door
• 2517[19:33:19] <Bushman> C3520 is showing up and screwing with my tab-complete
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• 2519[19:33:50] <Bushman> a flip phone?
• 2520[19:33:56] <Bushman> who uses that!?
• 2521[19:34:00] <Bushman> :D
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• 2523[19:34:15] <Bushman> looks like i have a hipster neighbour lol
• 2524[19:34:52] <TomTomTosch> those were the shit back in school.
• 2525[19:35:10] <Bushman> heh
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• 2528[19:36:04] <Bushman> for me "back in school" was 12y ago and IIRC symbian was the shit back then
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• 2530[19:36:35] <Bushman> i had some indestructable nokia abck then i think
• 2531[19:36:40] <rneese_> Error: invalid locale settings: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"
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• 2533[19:36:45] <Bushman> 3310 or some shit
• 2534[19:36:55] <rneese_> LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = "en_US.UTF-8", LANG = (unset)
• 2535[19:37:03] <rneese_> its not setting all the fields
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• 2538[19:37:50] <Bushman> rneese_: i'd call it a white flag
• 2539[19:37:56] <Bushman> red flag! i mean red flag!
• 2540[19:38:02] <Bushman> ;>
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• 2543[19:38:25] <rneese_> dpkg-reconfigure locales should be setting this
• 2544[19:38:34] <at0m> Bushman: oh these phones. fell out of my shirt from 20m high then just reinstalled battery and the cover, which had come off
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• 2547[19:39:35] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: to clarify: i have double checked the KB with my android phone so battery or hardware failure of the KB is out of question.
• 2548[19:39:46] <Bushman> at0m: it was a feature!
• 2549[19:39:52] <at0m> still taking it to the x days summer festivals cos they don't need recharge
• 2550[19:40:27] <Bushman> "introducing: impact force dissipating battery cover!" -- Nokia probably
• 2551[19:40:35] <at0m> 3310:)
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• 2553[19:41:23] <TomTomTosch> rneese_: it doesn't? do you overwrite those in some file? what does your /etc/default/locale say after you reconfigure locales ?
• 2554[19:42:24] <rneese_> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"
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• 2563[19:46:23] <TomTomTosch> rneese_: right. LC_ALL overrides anything else anyway. so if you type 'echo "$LANG"' it should be en_US.UTF-8 now. if not, check if you set them e.g. in /etc/profile
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• 2571[19:50:40] <TomTomTosch> Bushman: no idea. sounds like a bug to me.
• 2572[19:51:01] <rneese_> ok that file was default
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• 2574[19:51:06] <rneese_> I rm it and it works
• 2575[19:51:18] <rneese_> but the menu is not changing languages now
• 2576[19:51:31] <rneese_> so I have to figure this out
• 2577[19:51:43] <TomTomTosch> what did you remove?
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• 2584[19:54:01] <rneese_> the 2 likes in the /etc/default/locale file I commented them out
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• 2586[19:54:25] <rneese_> so it stops forcing english
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• 2589[19:55:20] <rneese_> but now I have to get the whiptail menu to use the locale lang to display proper lang
• 2590[19:56:02] <rneese_> so it translates
• 2591[19:56:10] <rneese_> to each lang
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• 2594[19:56:44] <rneese_> brb
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• 2615[20:09:12] <rneese_> ok
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• 2632[20:16:31] <rneese_> ok is there a way with whiptail and bash to make the menu display with the set system lang ?
• 2633[20:17:25] <rneese_> it still displays in english even when the system is set to fr-utf8
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• 2636[20:19:18] <jmcnaught> rneese_: can you provide more details about what you're doing? Are you using whiptail in a script?
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• 2638[20:19:46] <rneese_> its a menu we wrote to control a repeater software
• 2639[20:20:12] <rneese_> and we have people that use in that are french greek polish
• 2640[20:20:17] <rneese_> english
• 2641[20:20:41] <rneese_> and we want the menu to display native to thier language they have set for thier system
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• 2645[20:22:55] <jmcnaught> rneese_: can you show a sample call of whiptail from the script? what have you don't try get it localized?
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• 2647[20:24:30] <jmcnaught> heh sorry i shouldn't type when i'm distracted... was trying to ask what have you tried?
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• 2651[20:25:04] <rneese_> replaced-url
• 2652[20:25:18] <rneese_> the menu part still only shows up in english
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• 2654[20:26:08] <rneese_> we are cleaning the code up and rm some and making it point to web urls
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• 2656[20:26:29] <rneese_> insted of having all the help data in the menu
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• 2665[20:29:19] <rneese_> we have 2484 lines of code in the menu at this point
• 2666[20:29:32] <jmcnaught> rneese_: i'm not an i18n/l10n expert, but it seems to me you are passing string literals to whiptail except for a few variables like $WHIP_TITLE. What are you doing to provide these strings in other languages?
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• 2671[20:30:43] <rneese_> well I am just trying to figure this part out
• 2672[20:30:43] <rneese_> never done this
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• 2678[20:34:49] <jmcnaught> rneese_: you may want to look into using gettext
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• 2681[20:35:31] <rneese> sorry phone dropped connection
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• 2684[20:38:01] <jmcnaught> rneese: i was suggesting you check out gettext for this
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• 2686[20:38:48] <rneese> ok
• 2687[20:38:54] <rneese> have to look into all this
• 2688[20:39:05] <rneese> jst getting to the timeline deadline
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• 2765[21:35:05] <learner_of_debia> Does it take a little while for Debian 8.5 to propagate to mirrors?
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• 2791[21:46:26] <d1z> hello debian, my old friend debian, I started with you, a long time ago, now I use arch, but you will forever remain in my heart debian, you will forever will
• 2792[21:46:30] <Glock_> hi guys, my numeric keys oreder is reversed it's: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 , top to bottom. how to change the order?
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• 2794[21:46:55] <ryouma> Glock_: xmodmap maybe
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• 2798[21:50:48] <somiaj> Glock_: sounds like a keyboard layout issue.
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• 2802[21:51:50] <Glock_> somiaj, it's English (US)
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• 2807[21:53:11] <afernandez_> OK
• 2808[21:53:24] <TomTomTosch> afernandez: still wondering? nickserv ghost nick pw is the command. you might want to simply google nickserv commands next time.
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• 2811[21:54:16] <afernandez_> I need help sorting out qa bridge connection i intended to create before so i can get outside conection for a vm created with virt-manager
• 2812[21:54:28] <afernandez_> I issue the following commands....
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• 2818[22:01:39] <afernandez_> replaced-url
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• 2821[22:03:25] <afernandez_> well what i initialy wanted was to be able to get internet for that vm machine
• 2822[22:03:35] <afernandez_> now i lost my static ip
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• 2825[22:04:11] <afernandez_> what is this command suppose to do? brctl addif br0 eth1 ens3
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• 2828[22:04:32] <JohnC> Hi
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• 2852[22:25:07] <malf> I'm on Stretch with kernel 4.5.0-2-amd64 and having problems with the Radeon driver. At boot the driver fails to load with "[drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!". (This is because I have modeset=0 set for the radeon driver). If I load the module with modeset=1, or without any modeset flag passed, the system will freeze after a few seconds and I have to hard reboot.
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• 2857[22:26:06] <malf> Wondering if I am just missing a configuration somewhere or if I am not able to use the radeon driver. I previous used fglrx but that's being EOL-ed so I am trying to switch back to the radeon driver
• 2858[22:26:07] <somiaj> malf: the radeon driver requires kms, I would try to figure out why it is crashign when using modsetting.
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• 2860[22:26:21] <malf> Yeah
• 2861[22:26:22] <somiaj> malf: do you have older radeon hardware?
• 2862[22:26:26] <malf> I'm not too sure how to figure that out
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• 2864[22:26:42] <somiaj> malf: do you have the non-free firmware installed for the radeon driver?
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• 2866[22:27:07] <malf> I don't think it's super old but it's not super new either. I'm running [AMD/ATI] Sumo [Radeon HD 6480G] and then there's another external monitor connection with [AMD/ATI] Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series]
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• 2868[22:27:35] <somiaj> malf: so you have two radeon cards int he same box?
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• 2873[22:28:18] <malf> I believe so. I have firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree installed. Also firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2876[22:28:45] <somiaj> yea firmware-linux-nonfree is just a transitional package in stretch tha tpulls in the firmware-amd-graphics package
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• 2878[22:28:50] <malf> somiaj: I assume so. It's a laptop that I haven't physically opened but those are the two Radeon responses from lspci (plus an HDMI audio thing)
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• 2894[22:37:32] <Tekkkz> A vala program is missing some gtk libraries i think: replaced-url
• 2895[22:37:40] <Tekkkz> how to fix that?
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• 2900[22:39:23] <somiaj> Tekkkz: what is vala, how did you install this program? What version of debian are you running?
• 2901[22:39:36] <Brigo> Tekkkz, there is no debian libreries in /org/ .
• 2902[22:40:31] <somiaj> further no debian files in /org/
• 2903[22:40:43] <somiaj> (didn't even notice it was /org/)
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• 2920[22:51:32] <Tekkkz> yeah. I try to build vte-ng v. 0.44.1b from source to finally get termite terminal emulatr working. any help pls?
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• 2934[22:58:45] <teraflops> ,v valac
• 2935[22:58:46] <judd> Package: valac on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-2; wheezy: 0.16.1-2; jessie: 0.26.1-1.1; stretch: 0.32.0-1; sid: 0.32.0-1
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• 2939[22:59:36] <ghostal> i recently upgraded from wheezy to jessie. things have seemed to be okay, so it may not be related. nevertheless, i am finding when i do "sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports" i get "Unable to locate package certbot"
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• 2941[22:59:58] <teraflops> Tekkkz: did you look at this thread? replaced-url
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• 2944[23:00:39] <babilen> ghostal: Mind pasting the output of "apt-cache policy certbot" to replaced-url
• 2945[23:00:40] <TomTomTosch> ghostal: did you do an apt-get update after you added jessie-backports to your sources?
• 2946[23:00:50] <Tekkkz> yeah ... vte is not able to get build cause the error i posted with the ui files ... BUT is the termit pakage the same like termite???
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• 2950[23:01:53] <teraflops> Tekkkz: nope, termite uses a patched vte that it's not in debian
• 2951[23:02:12] <Tekkkz> but can i use my termite cnfig for termit?
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• 2953[23:02:22] <teraflops> no idea
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• 2956[23:02:40] <teraflops> ,v vte-ng
• 2957[23:02:41] <judd> No package named 'vte-ng' was found in amd64.
• 2958[23:02:48] <teraflops> see?
• 2959[23:03:13] <Tekkkz> hm what??
• 2960[23:03:40] <ghostal> babilen: replaced-url
• 2961[23:03:41] <ghostal> TomTomTosch: not sure, it was a couple of weeks ago. if it was in the intructions for upgrading, i expect so.
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• 2965[23:04:33] <ghostal> i have a feeling my sources.list could be a little wrong. i remember being a little uncertain, but it seeming to work okay on upgrading.
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• 2968[23:05:10] <babilen> ghostal: What happens if you run "apt-get update" ?
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• 2971[23:05:50] <ghostal> babilen: "db5.1-util" kept back, otherwise no changes.
• 2972[23:06:50] <TomTomTosch> ghostal: can you copy the output to paste.debian.net, please?
• 2973[23:06:57] <ghostal> sure
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• 2975[23:07:03] <babilen> Is certbot found now and paste the output of that command?
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• 2978[23:08:13] <ghostal> babilen, TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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• 2981[23:08:43] <babilen> update. not upgrade
• 2982[23:08:53] <ghostal> ahh.. misread. sec.
• 2983[23:09:04] * ghostal slaps forehead
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• 2987[23:09:28] <babilen> fwiw, you might want to use "deb replaced-url
• 2988[23:09:45] <ghostal> ah yeah. how about that. heh. tqvm babilen, TomTomTosch.
• 2989[23:09:57] <ghostal> ah okay. will update the file
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• 2992[23:11:17] <woshty> Is there something that can replace xsane in gimp?
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• 2997[23:13:40] <ghostal> great. thx a lot guys. bye
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• 3024[23:20:02] <wewlad> hello debs
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• 3027[23:21:14] <wewlad> how to correctly remove a user from a group?
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• 3029[23:21:24] <wewlad> 'gpasswd -d user group'?
• 3030[23:21:33] <wewlad> or 'deluser user group'?
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• 3032[23:22:17] <wewlad> or 'usermod -R group user'?
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• 3034[23:22:27] <TomTomTosch> whatever floats your boat. don't think it matters much.
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• 3036[23:23:22] <TomTomTosch> not sure about the usermod one though.
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• 3041[23:24:27] <TomTomTosch> no, i don't think that works in debian.
• 3042[23:24:36] <wewlad> ok, thx
• 3043[23:24:43] <wewlad> the first one worked fine
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